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Speaker 1: And welcome back to the Epstein Chronicles. One of the

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biggest problems for Prince Andrew throughout this whole entire thing

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has been the picture of him with Virginia Roberts. Now,

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I know there's been a lot of talk lately that

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the picture was photoshopped, or it's doctor or something like that,

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But to be honest with you, I've seen zero evidence

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that would back up those claims. Whereas, on the flip

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side of that, we know that an actual photographer who's

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going to be talked about a little bit in this article,

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saw the real photo and says that the photo was

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not a fake, was not a forgery. So again, I'm

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more inclined to believe somebody who has professional knowledge of

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the industry than I am of some unhinged ex socialite

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who's ranting and raving on the internet. Now, obviously people

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are feel free to believe whatever they want, and this

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show is a commentary show. I don't make the news here.

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I follow it, I curate the news, but I don't

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make it. In my opinion, however, there is zero evidence

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to back up the claim that this picture is doctored,

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or it's fake, or that somebody sat down and photo

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shopped it with Galaine Maxwell's tutelage. I mean, again, that's

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an extraordinary claim and it would require extraordinary proof, but

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we've seen none of that. Whereas Virginia Roberts brought this

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picture to light, we've heard from the Kiwi photographer, the journalist,

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the photojournalist who deals with this for a living, who

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says it's real. And the kicker is allegedly the FBI

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is in possession of this photograph. So should be real

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easy for either side to try and subpoena this photograph. No,

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and I would think that's something that both sides should

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be ready to do because it'll prove a whole lot, right, imagine,

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produce the real photograph and that's a wrap. There's no

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more even thought that this could be a possibility. So

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that would definitely go a long way to prove or

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disprove this claim. And that's what both of these parties

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are looking to do, right, Virginia trying to prove the

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veracity of her claim, and then Andrews saying no, I

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didn't do this, So I would look for his lawyers

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to be very aggressive to try and subpoena that photo.

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I guess We'll have to see how it turns out though,

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and what kind of strategy they're going to try and use. Again,

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this could all just be a pump fake. Remember, when

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you're dealing with lawyers like this, they could be playing

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a game of misdirection, acting like this is going to

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be where they're headed, and then they go someplace else

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entirely different. Because again, when you're paying this kind of money,

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you have a lot of powerful people at your fingertips.

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It's not just the lawyers that come with it, it's

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all of the specialists, right, all of the people that

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recreate crime scenes or recreate the scene of where this

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is supposed to happen, and an expert in this and

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an expert in that costs a lot of money. But

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when you have good lawyers, that's how you get results.

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The only way you have a chance to ever fight

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the federal government, which isn't the case here, is if

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you have powerful lawyers. Right. But even in this case,

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and as you saw with Glenn Maxwell, if you don't

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have the truth on your side, it's going to be

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very difficult for any lawyer to work magic and get

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you off on the merits of your you know, did

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it or didn't do it right on your guilt or innocence.

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So it's going to be very difficult for any lawyer

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to get you off on the merits of your guilt

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or innocence. But these good lawyers that make all of

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this money, they can find to tech nicality or a

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loophole perhaps, and that is really what you're paying for,

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along with the relationships that they have made along the

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way with the judges and the prosecutors and all of that.

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So Andrew's team they might be, you know, up to

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something else. And then again, this might be the strategy,

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and this might be all that's left to them is

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to go absolute scorched earth. So tonight we have an

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article from the Independent that's discussing this very thing, and

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the author of this article is Bevin Hurley. Headline, Prince

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Andrew the origins of the Virginia Roberts image that could

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determine the outcome of his sexual assault trial. And I

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can't disagree with that headline. I mean, for me, this

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has always been, like I've said, the most important piece

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of evidence that Virginia has provided. It shows them that

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they were together. It shows that paints the picture that

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they were obviously hanging out. And then you add that

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having the picture available to us with his BS lives

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of saying, oh, I've never met her, well, how does

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that add up? And then he's sending emails to Glaine

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Maxwell asking about Virginia Roberts. If you didn't, if you've

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never met her, then what are you doing sending emails?

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So the picture is really, honestly what it all hinges

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on in my opinion. Now, there's other witnesses and other

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statements that are going to go a long way to

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help seal the deal. But I really believe that this

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is the biggest piece of evidence that has been provided

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against Prince Andrew. The photograph of a photograph that shows

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a forty one year old heir to the British throne

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with his arm casually draped around the bar middrift of

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a seventeen year old girl sent shockwaves through the royal

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family when it was first published in twenty and eleven. Now,

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remember this picture has been out here since two thousand

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and eleven. Now, if this picture was fake and it

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was such a huge deal, why hasn't Andrew sued Virginia

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for defamation? Why hasn't he come after her legally to

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clean his good to clear his good name. Do you

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really think he wants to be to sit down for

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a deposition. That's what it all comes back to, right,

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the boomerang effect. He knows that he can't do that

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because A, it's a real picture, and B if he does,

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then he's going to really have to sit down and

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be deposed, which well that's gonna happen anyway now. But

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before I'm saying, so, he had all of this time,

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We're talking since twenty and eleven, all right, eleven ten years,

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eleven years now, and he hasn't sued her. He hasn't

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made one single move in the court of law to

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go after her legally speaking because she defamed him or

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she's telling lies about him or anything like that. So again,

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that's another thing that goes a long way for me,

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because if he really wanted to clear his name, don't

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you think he would counter sue and say, hey, look

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what's up. I'm gonna you know that didn't happen. That

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picture is not real, and here's my evidence why. Eleven

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years on, that image is likely to be a key

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piece of evidence when Prince Andrew's sexual assault lawsuit gets

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under way in a civil court in New York later

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this year, Virginia Roberts issuing the Royal for intentional emotional

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harm and battery overclaimed she was forced to have sex

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with him three times in two thousand and one. Andrew

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sixty one has denied any wrongdoing and signaled in court

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filings that is defense will revolve around the fallibility of

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Miss Roberts's memory, her shifting statements and alleged roll in

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Jeffrey Epstein's empire of abuse. And I said this once

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and I'll say it again. This is a very dangerous

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arena that they're playing in calling Jeffrey Epstein an empire

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of abuse. This that the other thing. Let's not forget

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that Prince Andrew chose to be around on Jeffrey Epstein

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even after he was a convicted sex offender, so he

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had an empire of abuse. But your client still chose

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to be a basically a court jester, an oddity while

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Jeffrey Epstein held court in this empire of abuse like

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a second rate emperor, and your coward, chump ass client

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did nothing about it. Okay, if that's the avenue you're

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going to go down as a defense, the Duke of

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York and his supporters have sought to cast doubt on

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the photos authenticity by claiming it was somehow faked, photoshopped,

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or even that an Irish body double had been edited

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into the frame. I mean, this is like next level

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conspiracy stuff. An Irish body double, what next? It's absurd.

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I know we talked about this a little bit already,

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but it's absolutely absurd. And Irish body double huh uh?

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You would have me believe that there's an Irish body

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double employed here to make pretend he's Prince Andrew in

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two thousand and one to get this picture. Oh yeah,

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I forgot. It's a big plot to take down the monarchy.

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The plantangentents are coming back. The War of the Roses

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is going to start up again. I mean, get out

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of here, turn the TV off, Holy Toledo. The original

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image is said to be in the FBI's possession and

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could be subpoenaed by either the princes or Miss Roberts attorneys. Well,

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that would be the most likeliest route here. Huh. Like

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I said in the monologue, I would think both sides

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would want this picture to be turned over. It proves

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a whole lot if this is an authentic picture game

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set match. How do you get out of that? How

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do you wiggle your royal ass off of that? You don't?

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That's crash and burn time. So let's see how quick

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and how a agressive his lawyers are here with the subpoena.

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It's just like with Maxwell's lawyer's posturing. Remember, oh, well,

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she shouldn't be in solitary. Yeah, right, so she should

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go to general population. Let's see how they want her.

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Let's see if they want her in gen pop now

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that she's been convicted. Ms Roberts fell into Jeffrey Epstein's

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orbit after a chance meeting with Glean Maxwell, who was

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convicted in December of grooming and recruiting young girls for

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him at mar A Lago in two thousand when she

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was sixteen years old. So we all know that story.

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Virginia worked there sixteen years old, recruited by Glan Maxwell,

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brought into the clutches of Jeffrey Epstein, groomed, had this

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shit normalized for, and then she was set out like

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all of the other girls. Hailey Robson to go bring

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other girls back to Jeffrey Epstein. And why would they

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do it? Oh? Well, Why would they do that? Was

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said the person who lived in the suburbs their whole life,

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who have never had to worry about where their next

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meal is coming from. That's why life's hard for people. Man.

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And sometimes when you're young and you don't have any guidance,

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nobody telling you what's right from wrong, no money, something

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like this is appealing. And then you show up to

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this big ass mansion and everybody's doing the same thing.

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This rich ass guy, pictures of presidents on the wall. Well,

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maybe you're in the wrong, right, you're questioning yourself. And

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a lot of poor people have low self esteem to

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begin with. So see all of this opulence around you,

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you think these people are onto something. How else do

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they get all that money? Little do you know, they're

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all thieving it. She has since told in depositions and

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public interviews how she was sexually abused by Epstein and

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traffic to have sex with his friends during trips from

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Florida to his properties in Manhattan, New Mexico and the

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US Virgin Islands. And you know, I always see people say, well,

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who are these people that she was traffic to, or

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though there were traffic to. The informations out there. I've

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done episodes on all of them. We're talking Glen dube In,

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according to her, Bill Richardson, George Mitchell. The list goes on.

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So the people who say that are just people who

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are obviously not too hip to the names that have

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already been stated. Now they might not be people who

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have been arrested or anything like that, but these are

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people that have been credibly accused at this point, and

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it's crazy that the hammer hasn't dropped on a lot

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of them. Miss Roberts gave a detailed account of the

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night that the photo has taken to BBC's Panorama in

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twenty nineteen. She said she had been at the Tramp

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nightclub in central London on March tenth of two thousand

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and one with Prince Andrew Maxwell and Epstein. Andrew brought

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her a drink and they danced together, she said, before

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they drove back to Maxwell's house in Belgravia, London, in

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separate vehicles. So she was brought there, according to her,

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with the purpose for her to have relations with Prince Andrew,

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and that is the whole reason that they brought her

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with them to London. According to Virginia, during the drive

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back Miss Roberts, I mean Miss Roberts said she was

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instructed to do for Andrew what I do for Jeffrey

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by Maxwell. That made me sick. I just didn't expect

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it from Royalty. And can you imagine you got the

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Prince of England. You're dancing with them, you know, you're

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having drinks. What great night? Holy cow. I can't wait

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to tell my friends I met an actual prince. He

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was buying me drinks and we were dancing. It was

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a great time. And then for it to turn into

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a nightmare, I mean it has to be just can't

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I can't imagine, honestly. She earlier told The Mail on

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Sunday that the four of them went upstairs at Maxwell's

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flat and she asked Epstein to snap a picture of

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me with the Prince. I wanted something to show my mom,

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she said. Andrew, who denies any wrongdoing, has questioned the

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photograph's authenticity. And again, look, I'm not a photograph expert, right,

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I have never seen the original photo. I'm just going

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on what the experts say or what the expert has said.

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And the fact that you would think that if the

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FBI didn't have this picture in their possession, they'd come

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out and say that, or they would let the lawyers

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know that. My guess is the FBI has this picture

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and it's going to come back with devastating results for

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Prince Andrew when and if it is released, you know,

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not to us, maybe, but in the court proceedings, maybe

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under seal whatever. But even if it's not, all they

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have to do is subpoena the expert who has saw

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the picture, the actual photograph, put him under oath. And

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that's a pretty strong witness testimony to the authenticity of

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the picture. And again put that up next to the

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people who are challenging it and what they've brought to

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the table, and it's just not enough. It's not enough

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to pass a kangaroo court, never mind an actual court

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of law, he told the BBC Newsnight in twenty nineteen.

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From the investigations that we've done, you can't prove whether

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or not the photograph is faked or not, because it

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is a photograph of a photograph of a photograph, a

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nice try, flimsy as hell, though. There's no way that

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you're gonna have me believe that this was whipped up

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in a photoshop. It's just it's too far for me

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to travel to get to a destination. Maxwell, who was

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awaiting sentencing for sex trafficking, has also previously previously claimed

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that the photo could have been faked, could have, could

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have not is could have in the event, we can't, Uh,

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and Andrew, you can't prove whether or not that photograph

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is faked or not. So why don't you sue? Why

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didn't you sue her for defamation for making a fake

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photo in the In a twenty sixteen deposition she gave

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in relation to Miss Roberts defamation case against her, she

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said the surroundings familiar, but added, we can't really establish

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the photograph and all that. Oh no, not at all.

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I don't know if that's true, if that's a real

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picture or not. Well, it's gonna be nice because guess what.

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Glenn Maxwell is a known liar and she's been charged

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with perjury on top of human trafficking, So is she

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really a reliable narrator? Andrew's former girlfriend, Lady Victoria Scurvy,

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I mean Hervey this week added fuel to the conspiracy

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theories by claiming in an Instagram story post to her

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one hundred and thirteen thousand followers that an Irish body

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double had been photoshopped into the image. So when are

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the misinformation police showing up for Lady Victoria Heavy. It's

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a pretty big stretch of the imagination with no sources. Source,

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someone on the internet, source, anonymous person, source, give me

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a break already. Hervey's unverified claims appear to suggest that

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another man's frame was swapped into the photograph with a

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photo of Andrew Head added, and the real photo was

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taken on a yacht in the south of France during

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a birthday party for Naomi Campbell. Yeah, you know, that's

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exactly what happened, one hundred percent. Miss Roberts has always

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insisted the image was authentic and said she gave the

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original to the FBI in two thousand and eleven. The

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Independent has approached the FBI to try to verify this. Well, hallelujah,

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someone doing some work. Huh, the legacy media doing a

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little bit of work here, What do you know? Good job, guys,

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Only fifteen years, twenty years too late. I mean, come on,

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should have been going digging into this a long time ago.

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If it was fake, then why is Prince Andrew not

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suing Miss Roberts broke off all contact with Epstein and

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Maxwell after meeting her husband Robert, in Thailand in two

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thousand and two. By two thousand and eleven, she had

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settled into a new life in Glendenning Valley, a small

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coastal town about sixty six kilometers north of Sydney, Australia.

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You know, one of these days, I'm gonna get out

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to Australia. Hell of a place. Some the videos I

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see pictures, I mean, amazing beaches. People are fantastic in Australia.

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I definitely got to get out there one of these

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days when the world at least gets some semblance of normalcy.

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Rumors of a new FBI investigation into Epstein's sexual offending

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led Meil on Sunday journalist Sharon Churcher to trace Miss

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Robert It's halfway around the world to her new home.

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Fearful of Epstein and his powerful friends, whose secret she

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had kept for a decade, she was initially reluctant to

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open up about a past. According to the Mail, well,

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I mean imagine I'd be scared as shit too, Jeffrey

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Epstein's friends. You saw those people on the walls. You

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knew all the people he was running with, and you

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know about the threats he's made to people allegedly. Hey, yeah,

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definitely something to be concerned about. But she eventually agreed

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and produced a collection of teenage snaps showing the years

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of travel with Epstein and Maxwell. She was paid one

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hundred and sixty thousand dollars for the interview, which somebody

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would pay me for an interview, more like pay me

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not to talk anymore, pay me to shut my app

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Among them was an image of Prince Andrew with Virginia

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and Maxwell. It's believed that Epstein was behind the camera

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and that's the one you see the picture. It has

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the smudge of the finger on it as well, and

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that's that's believed to be Jeffrey Epstein who was taking

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this picture. Now here's the most important part of all

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of this in my opinion, and the thing again that

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goes with the photo that is the most concrete of

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the evidence. Michael Thomas, a freelance photographer from New Zealand,

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traveled to Australia to meet miss Roberts and recalled her

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casually pulling the picture of Prince Andrew from a bundle

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of photographs she had held onto it was a normal

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print that would that you would get back from the

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chemist in the time of negative mister Thomas told The

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Independent by email. Miss Roberts didn't seem to grasp the

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impact the photograph would have and kept it in a

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bundle with other images from her travels. So it's not

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like she was using that picture specifically as a selling point, right.

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That wasn't her preview page, if you will. It was

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a picture in a bundle of pictures. So if that's

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the case, then that wasn't the prominent picture that was

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being offered up. It was noticed by the investigator here,

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mister Thomas and Churcher. Mister Thomas added, what I struggled

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to understand is that if it was fake, then why

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is Prince Hendrew not suing every media outlet in the

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world for running it. Surely if they were reproducing a

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fake photo with all the implications it has had for him,

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that is the first thing he would do. At the

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end of the day, I just copied a photograph. I

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never expected it to turn into this. At no stage

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have I doubted it is a genuine photograph. So again,

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people are more than free to believe whatever they want,

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and I will do the same. I'll continue to follow

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the evidence to arrive at my destination. And for me,

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the kicker here is a we have the photo, but

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b Michael Thomas, the freelance photographer co signing and saying

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it's a legitimate, real photo. So until there's some real evidence,

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not some wacky zeitgeist shit posted on some ex socialites

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Instagram page, until we get some concrete proof proving otherwise,

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I'm gonna have to go with Prince Andrews really in

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big trouble here, and you can double that trouble, fuck

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triple it if that photo is reproduced, meaning if the

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FBI does have it and it's subpoenaed and it shows up,

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pull boy. Andrew's in for it. So very interested to

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see what happens with that photo. And I'm interested to

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see what the FBI has to say to the Independent

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now that the Independent has asked them about it. Obviously

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they'll say, this is my guess, it's an ongoing investigation.

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We can't release that information to you, all right, maybe

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not in the bad guy laugh, but you get it,

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all right, folks. That's gonna do it for tonight. Obviously

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some context episodes on their way and then tomorrow morning

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right back at it and we'll see where we're at.

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If you'd like to contact me, you can do that

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at Bobby Kapuchi at ProtonMail dot com. That's bo bby

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c ap you Cci at ProtonMail dot com. You can

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also find me on Twitter at Bobby underscore c ap

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you Cci. The link that we discussed can be found

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in the description box. All right, folks, to the Epstein Chronicles.

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On tonight's episode, we're gonna talk a little bit more

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about Lady Victoria Hervey and the new claims that she

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is now making. According to The Daily Mail. Recently, we

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know she came out and she was coming to the

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defense of her buddy Prince Andrew and saying that the

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pictures were photoshop. Y RGI, the pictures were fake, it

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was a forgery, you know, the whole rundown of excuses

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and cover fire for her boy uncle Touchy. Well, she's

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went further than that now. She is doubling down on

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what she had to say then with these new statements

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here in the Daily Mail. So let's jump into this

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article and let's see what the Daily Mail has to say.

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Headline Prince Andrew's ex Lady Victoria Hervey claims infamous image

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of Duke with Virginia Roberts was faked, using photo of

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accuser in the same clothes taken at Naomi Campbell's birthday

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months later, and a body double who dated another Epstein victim.

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Uh what this whole entire body double stuff is bizarre, folks,

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Absolutely positively bizarre. And it shows you that you know

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they're reaching for anything right now. Like I say, it's

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like a wreckage, right and instead of drowning, you're going

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to reach for whatever kind of wreckage from the shipwreck

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is available to you. And that's what they're doing. They're

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just scrambling, treading water, trying to stay afloat. And when

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you have Lady Victoria scurvy, I mean Hervey out here

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acting as your mouthpiece and running obvious nonsense. You want

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to talk about misinformation, everybody's out here talking about oh misinformation.

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Well here's some misinformation for you, folks. This article was

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authored by Siafrey Siofra Brennan. Earlier this week, Lady Victoria

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Hervey sensationally repeated claims that the infamous photo of Prince

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Andrew and Virginia Roberts was faked now the forty four

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year old socialite and former it girl meaning never had

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a job, never held down a job, doesn't know what

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it's like to be part of the working class. The

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sixth Duke of Marchus, who cares about her father, by

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the way, But you know, another one of these people

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who has never had a real job or anything like that.

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But we'll sit here and tell you how much better

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they are than you, has doubled down by identifying the

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set of images. She says, we're used to create the

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doctored photo. Well, it's nice to know that her trained

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eye can zero in on this and bring this to

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light for us. As I'm always saying, I'm here for

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the evidence. So if Lady Victoria Heavy has the evidence,

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let's see it. But if what she has is what

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she's talking about in this article, she's just gonna come

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off looking like another fool. The infamous snap with the

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Duke of York, which was reportedly taken in March two

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thousand and one at Glene Maxwell's London apartment, has been

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reproduced countless times around the world after Miss Roberts shared

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it with The Mail on Sunday in February of twenty

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and eleven. By the way, the only expert that we

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have so far that's come out and talked about this

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picture was the gentleman from New Zealand. We posted an

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art an episode about it. The guy came out and

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said the picture was authentic. So who are we going

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to believe? Again? I believe the evidence here, folks. I

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don't get involved in all of the minutia and the bs.

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Where does the evidence go? And so far we have

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an expert telling us that the picture is real, and

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then we have the former IT girl socialite Lady Victoria R.

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Hervey telling us it's not. So I believe the saying

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is follow the science. But Lady Victoria said it has

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been pieced together using a photo taken at Naomi Campbell's

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birthday party on board a yacht in Santrope in May

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two thousand and one, in which Virginia can be seen

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wearing the same white tank top and colorful patterned jeans. Well,

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since we're just you know, throwing shit out there and

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throwing a garbage around, maybe that it's the outfit that

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Andrew demanded she wears. Oh well there's a rub huh.

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Maybe she was wearing that outfit because Epstein liked it

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and told her that she had to wear the same

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thing to go see Andrew. Not possible right now. Instead,

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it's a whole entire elaborate photoshop fakery session going on.

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The logical explanation is, of course, that she was wearing

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the same outfit on both occasions. What's more, Lady Victoria

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does not have a copy of the exact Virginia photo

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from Santrope, which she claims was used to fake the

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Prince fake the Prince Andrew image, and it has never

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been seen publicly. However, she did share a bizarre painted

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reproduction of the alleged image to Instagram earlier this week.

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I mean, am I the only one that notices the

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irony here? She produces a reproduction of a picture talking

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about how the original picture that was produced is a reproduction?

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Is she suffering from CTE? Seriously? Maybe her family should,

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maybe they should check on her. Did she play soccer

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as a youth and deliver too many headers and now

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is suffering the after effects of that? Because no sane

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individual could look at the evidence and come up with this,

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And honestly, she's playing a dangerous game. Another one of

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these people that wants to be part of the story.

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So maybe the prosecutors, maybe they should subpoena or her

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for all of the evidence that she says that she has.

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Let's see it all again. Wherever the evidence leads me

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is where I'm willing to go. Lady Victoria added to

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00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:42,359
her baffling claims by saying that an Irish guy, well,

474
00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:44,799
that does it? Hut? An Irish guy that could be

475
00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:46,839
I don't know how many people live in Ireland, how

476
00:28:46,839 --> 00:28:50,839
many Irish people living around the world. Who was dating

477
00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:53,839
one of Epstein's survivors in two thousand and one and

478
00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:56,839
also attended the boat party was used as a body

479
00:28:56,839 --> 00:29:00,200
double for Prince Andrew in the fake image. Look, folk,

480
00:29:00,319 --> 00:29:05,519
now we're bordering on the land of absolute quackery here

481
00:29:05,759 --> 00:29:07,960
with the stuff she's talking about. These are the sort

482
00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:10,279
of conspiracy theories that I tell you to be very

483
00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:13,200
very careful of, the kind of shit that floats around

484
00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:16,200
a lot, especially in a case like this. Oh and

485
00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:18,480
you'll see the same people pumping the same shit all

486
00:29:18,519 --> 00:29:22,160
the time, usually for personal gain, by the way, But

487
00:29:23,039 --> 00:29:25,960
let's stick in reality here. Okay, there's no body doubles,

488
00:29:26,119 --> 00:29:29,759
nobody's bringing a fake Andrew onto a boat. Okay, none

489
00:29:29,799 --> 00:29:33,920
of that's occurring, and certainly it's not a fake body

490
00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:39,079
double of Andrew being used to set him up. What

491
00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:45,119
sort of bizarre, nonsensical toad venom are you smoking right now?

492
00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:51,559
In an exclusive interview, Lady Victoria told Female she has

493
00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:54,759
spoken to several victims of Jeffrey Epstein who said they

494
00:29:54,799 --> 00:29:57,799
believe the image was edited by Virginia and Maria Farmer,

495
00:29:58,079 --> 00:30:01,640
another victim who worked as an artist and residence for Epstein.

496
00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:06,359
I mean, what's next. It was the Easter Bunny and

497
00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:10,359
Toucan Sam who were actually doing the grooming, and it

498
00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:13,519
wasn't Glene Maxwell and Sarah Kelln Vickers. That's what they're

499
00:30:13,519 --> 00:30:18,240
gonna want you to believe. Next, she said other survivors

500
00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:21,640
had seen Virginia and Maria photoshopping the image before being

501
00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:25,160
bullied and silenced by Virginia. Well, that's gonna be an

502
00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:29,480
issue because Virginia and Maria weren't at the property at

503
00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:34,319
the same time, You epic moron. So I'm gonna tell

504
00:30:34,319 --> 00:30:37,920
you what happened here. Probably Okay, looks like Lady Victoya

505
00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:42,559
heavy has been trolled and some people that are saying

506
00:30:42,599 --> 00:30:47,599
they're survivors of Epstein's probably are trolling her now Again,

507
00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:51,200
maybe she has all the goods and there are people

508
00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:53,119
who are saying they saw this, but I don't know

509
00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:58,160
how considering the timelines don't match up. Maria was with

510
00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:02,119
Epstein ninety four, ninety five, that range. She wasn't there

511
00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:08,400
her time with Epstein and Epstein's time with Virginia it

512
00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:14,519
didn't overlap, So I don't know where this is coming from.

513
00:31:14,759 --> 00:31:17,359
Lady Victoria said the pair had been in cahoots for

514
00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:20,200
twenty years because they wanted to bring down the monarchy

515
00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:24,480
using Prince Andrew, adding that Epstein that was Epstein's intention

516
00:31:24,599 --> 00:31:30,400
to I mean, folks, are you seriously listening to this

517
00:31:30,519 --> 00:31:34,720
right now? And are you grasping what's going on here?

518
00:31:35,359 --> 00:31:38,839
Talk about laying down cover fire for Prince Andrew. It's

519
00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:42,480
so pathetic that the only person he can have come

520
00:31:42,519 --> 00:31:48,359
out in his defense is Lady Victoria Hervey, so called

521
00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:51,839
socialite from the seventies and eighties and nineties or whatever,

522
00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:55,440
who's out here throwing out all kinds of crazy conspiracy

523
00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:59,599
theories like she's Alex Jones. Lady Victoria Hervey Jones, that's

524
00:31:59,599 --> 00:32:03,880
what will from now on, I know this sounds pretty wild.

525
00:32:04,039 --> 00:32:07,240
Epstein told one survivor that he basically wanted to bring

526
00:32:07,279 --> 00:32:10,319
down the monarchy. She said, Oh, I'm sure that was

527
00:32:10,359 --> 00:32:12,880
his goal. His whole entire goal, this whole entire time

528
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:15,759
was to bring down the monarchy. That's why he never

529
00:32:15,839 --> 00:32:18,759
dined out his boy Andrew or turned over any compromande

530
00:32:18,759 --> 00:32:21,880
on him Mitch. Lady Victoria Hervey, please sit down in

531
00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:25,119
the back and pay attention while the adults talk, because

532
00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:32,519
you obviously have no idea what you're talking about here, lady. Meanwhile,

533
00:32:32,559 --> 00:32:34,880
the socialite said she had passed on all of her

534
00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:37,920
findings to a member of Prince Andrew's legal team, adding

535
00:32:38,119 --> 00:32:40,920
she's got everything. She got it all, She's got recordings,

536
00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:44,480
at screenshots and everything. Let's see it. I'm here for it.

537
00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:48,119
I can't wait to see who it is. And I

538
00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:52,279
would think that David Boyse is gonna be pretty interested too.

539
00:32:52,599 --> 00:32:55,680
Lady Victoria Hervey better be very careful what she's wishing

540
00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:59,240
for here, you know, inserting her story being a surrogate,

541
00:32:59,799 --> 00:33:06,799
you know, being wanting to be the story. Again, my

542
00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:10,440
question is, what were your what were you doing with Maxwell,

543
00:33:10,519 --> 00:33:13,400
Lady Victoria or Hervey, did you help her groom anybody?

544
00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:16,359
How many girls did you bring into Jeffrey Epstein's grips

545
00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:19,359
because you were the it girl and people wanted to

546
00:33:19,359 --> 00:33:21,720
be around you. Oh, you didn't know anything, though, right.

547
00:33:24,559 --> 00:33:27,720
Virginia claimed she was trafficked by Epstein and Maxwell and

548
00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:30,200
forced to have sex with the royal on three occasions

549
00:33:30,279 --> 00:33:34,920
when she was seventeen, claims Andrew strenuously denies. Virginia has

550
00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:38,400
previously described in legal documents how she attended the party

551
00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:42,480
in Santrope to celebrate Miss Campbell's thirty first birthday in

552
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:46,079
two thousand and one. Images from the party show Virginia

553
00:33:46,279 --> 00:33:49,680
in an off white strappy top with expos which exposed

554
00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:55,279
her midrift, and distinctive multi colored trousers. Meanwhile, photographs also

555
00:33:55,359 --> 00:33:57,839
show Golaine from the night of the party, wearing a

556
00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:00,880
blue knitted jumper with a knitted white and with a

557
00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:05,920
knitted white skirt. Okay, Great Lady Victoria set. A photograph

558
00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:09,239
taken at the party shows Virginia leaning against the boat

559
00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:11,599
and holding her coat in one hand, and this is

560
00:34:11,639 --> 00:34:13,800
the image that was used to fake the photo with

561
00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:21,800
Prince Andrew. Wow, I mean, how could you possibly come

562
00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:25,079
up with that by looking at the evidence that's been provided.

563
00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:32,400
Talk about chasing your confirmation bias. Holy Toledo. She believes

564
00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:34,480
one of the clearest signs that it has been edited

565
00:34:34,679 --> 00:34:37,400
is Virginia's hand, and she said it looks slightly odd

566
00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:39,960
because she was actually leaning against the side of the

567
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:43,639
boat in the original photo. Well, thanks, Inspector Gadget. We're

568
00:34:43,679 --> 00:34:45,639
really glad that you're here to clean this all up

569
00:34:45,639 --> 00:34:49,400
for us. Lady Victoria Hervey, I hear six is looking

570
00:34:49,679 --> 00:34:52,639
for somebody to come in and start working in their

571
00:34:52,679 --> 00:34:56,400
analyst apartment. They need somebody to verify what's real and

572
00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:59,280
what's not. And we all know that you're the purveyor

573
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:02,280
of truth here. You're the arbiter of what pictures are

574
00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:07,599
real and what pictures aren't real. I contacted Prince Andrew's

575
00:35:07,639 --> 00:35:10,920
legal team breaking news if they need you to contact

576
00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:13,760
them at two thousand dollars an hour, and they couldn't

577
00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:17,239
figure this out on their own, they're not doing their job. Furthermore,

578
00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:25,400
your information is probably gobbage. However, she does not have

579
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:27,559
a copy of the alleged picture and it has never

580
00:35:27,559 --> 00:35:30,320
been seen publicly. Well, that's an issue. How are you

581
00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:33,320
going to use evidence that you've never seen publicly and

582
00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:40,440
you don't have a copy of kind of difficult. No. However,

583
00:35:40,519 --> 00:35:43,239
Lady Victoria went on to claim that an Epstein victim

584
00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:46,360
who saw the alleged photo and witnessed it being edited

585
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:50,199
by Virginia and Maria has recreated it. She said, one

586
00:35:50,199 --> 00:35:52,159
of the girls is an artist, and she drew a

587
00:35:52,199 --> 00:35:54,920
painting of the original photograph of Virginia on the boat

588
00:35:55,159 --> 00:35:59,119
holding her coat. Okay, I'm guessing it's Rinna Oh that

589
00:35:59,199 --> 00:36:01,639
she's talking about who contacted her. Now, with all of

590
00:36:01,639 --> 00:36:04,599
this here and again, look if you got the proof,

591
00:36:04,679 --> 00:36:10,159
let's see it. All of this nonsense, though, I don't understand,

592
00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:19,039
because you're not providing any proof with your little rantier. Instead,

593
00:36:19,079 --> 00:36:22,159
all you're doing is trying to muddy the waters and

594
00:36:22,199 --> 00:36:26,440
provide more cover for Prince Andrew because the real issue

595
00:36:26,519 --> 00:36:29,880
at hand is you cannot explain away that photo, so

596
00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:33,559
you will say or do anything to try and destroy

597
00:36:33,599 --> 00:36:38,079
the credibility of that photo. And if that means saying that,

598
00:36:38,119 --> 00:36:41,159
you have other survivors who were saying they saw the

599
00:36:41,159 --> 00:36:44,559
photo edited, which is odd again because how did they

600
00:36:44,559 --> 00:36:49,280
see that when Maria and Virginia weren't even working or

601
00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:53,280
in Epstein's atmosphere at the same time, So that right

602
00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:58,000
there doesn't even line up. Your basic timeline doesn't even

603
00:36:58,119 --> 00:37:02,440
fit with the official timeline of the way things went down.

604
00:37:06,679 --> 00:37:09,360
It was this image that Lady Victoria shared to social

605
00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:12,840
media earlier this week, causing a stir with her bizarre claims.

606
00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:16,440
Another survivor of Epstein, Maria, was the artist in residence

607
00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:19,920
and receptionist at Epstein's New York office in nineteen ninety

608
00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:23,239
five after graduating from the New York Academy of Arts

609
00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:25,800
and handpicked by Epstein to work for him, who was

610
00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:28,119
also a college donor. So it shows you right there,

611
00:37:28,199 --> 00:37:32,320
nineteen ninety five, Virginia wasn't anywhere. Virginia was like ten

612
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:34,639
years old or something eleven years old at that point,

613
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:39,719
nineteen ninety five. So what are you even talking about here?

614
00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:44,199
Your timeline, your base, the basics of your story don't

615
00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:49,920
even pass the first bit of a sniff test. Lady

616
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:54,360
Victoria said she was told told by Epstein survivors that

617
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:58,360
Golain had taught Maria and Virginia had a photoshop images

618
00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:03,320
well nineteen ninety five, when Maria was working with Jeffrey

619
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:07,440
Epstein and Glenn Maxwell. She was a photoshop wizard now too, huh.

620
00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:09,800
I think that'll be news to Maria, and I'm sure

621
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:14,079
Maria love to refute that. Mean, so she's a computer wizard.

622
00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:18,000
Her and eleven year old Virginia somehow are in contact

623
00:38:18,199 --> 00:38:22,039
in this fantasyland story that lady Victoria are heavy is

624
00:38:22,079 --> 00:38:26,119
pumping out here, and they're both computer wizes that know

625
00:38:26,199 --> 00:38:30,760
how to photoshop pictures so good that it fools professionals

626
00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:33,760
and the FBI. That's pretty good stuff and they should

627
00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:36,719
probably parlay that into some kind of act to make

628
00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:41,119
some money on the back of right talk about absurdities,

629
00:38:45,159 --> 00:38:47,679
she said. The victims then saw the duo editing the

630
00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:51,440
infamous photograph of the duke with Virginia using images from

631
00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:54,239
the birthday party. She said, the girls were there. I

632
00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:56,679
guess they all lived together. You know, no, we don't know.

633
00:38:56,760 --> 00:39:00,400
That isn't the case. They didn't all live together. What

634
00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:05,599
are you even talking about? This is one of the

635
00:39:05,639 --> 00:39:10,679
most ridiculous conspiracy theories, because that's what this is that

636
00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:15,119
I've ever heard, and it's almost offensive that somebody would

637
00:39:15,159 --> 00:39:17,400
try and pump this. I mean, you might fool people

638
00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:20,280
who aren't following the case, but people who understand the

639
00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:23,360
basic timeline here, take one look at your claims and

640
00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:29,840
you'll get laughed out of the room. Everyone was aware,

641
00:39:30,039 --> 00:39:32,519
four or five of the survivors know that they Maria

642
00:39:32,519 --> 00:39:36,679
and Virginia did it and saw it. Prove it point blank, period.

643
00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:40,559
You're gonna need to prove that, Lady Victoria Hervey. I mean,

644
00:39:40,599 --> 00:39:44,679
anyone can say anything, right, but you're gonna need to

645
00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:49,519
prove something like that, considering, like I said, Maria wasn't

646
00:39:49,519 --> 00:39:53,039
even around when Virginia was around, So that blows all

647
00:39:53,159 --> 00:39:58,079
your whole, entire nonsensical bs right directly out of the water,

648
00:40:03,519 --> 00:40:06,440
she said. While the duo took a photograph of Gallaine's

649
00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:09,280
empty home, editing in the image of Victorio holding her

650
00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:12,519
coat on the boat, Lady Victoria claim They then edited

651
00:40:12,559 --> 00:40:16,199
Glaine into the image, altering her outfit by changing the

652
00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:21,239
color of her top and removing the sleeves. This beggar's belief, folks. Honestly,

653
00:40:21,559 --> 00:40:24,840
I don't even know how the Daily Mail could run this.

654
00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:28,199
This is like you standing on the corner and shouting

655
00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:31,239
about how the world is flat and how there is

656
00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:35,800
a civilization at the center of it. I honestly feel

657
00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:43,000
like I'm in college again and I'm on an acid trip. Meanwhile,

658
00:40:43,079 --> 00:40:45,360
she said, Maria and Virginia used the body of an

659
00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:47,480
Irish man who had been dating one of the other

660
00:40:47,599 --> 00:40:49,960
victims at the time, to act as a double for

661
00:40:50,039 --> 00:40:57,159
Prince Andrew. It's crazy. I know it's crazy. However, she

662
00:40:57,239 --> 00:40:59,159
said she does not know if the image was taken

663
00:40:59,199 --> 00:41:01,760
at the boat party or whether the unnamed Irish man

664
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:05,519
was aware of the plot by Virginia. Man. Virginia sure

665
00:41:05,599 --> 00:41:10,119
is pretty crafty at seventeen years old. She is one plotting,

666
00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:13,760
devious young lady, considering she came from a broken home,

667
00:41:14,519 --> 00:41:19,760
had no college or schooling or anything like that. It's honestly,

668
00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:22,800
and I'm gonna curse right here. It's fucking disgusting what

669
00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:28,239
this lady is saying. She pointed to both Virginia and

670
00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:31,039
Andrew's hands as evidence the image had been doctored, adding

671
00:41:31,159 --> 00:41:34,519
her hand and his hand looked so freaking weird, she continued.

672
00:41:34,559 --> 00:41:37,239
They learned how to do all of this editing by Glaine.

673
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:39,840
I don't know if Glaine and Jeffrey we're in on

674
00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:45,199
the fake photo. It's such bs wow. I don't even

675
00:41:45,199 --> 00:41:46,559
know what to say, what else to say about it

676
00:41:46,599 --> 00:41:53,440
besides just calling it BS. Meanwhile, Lady Victoria also said

677
00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:55,719
there had never been a physical photo of that shot,

678
00:41:55,880 --> 00:42:00,000
It's all digital, and accused Virginia of telling different story

679
00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:03,320
about whether there was a copy. When asked about why

680
00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:07,239
Virginia and Maria might have been motivated to edit the photograph,

681
00:42:07,519 --> 00:42:12,079
Lady Victoria referred to a message from another survivor. Another survivor,

682
00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:14,480
she's just saying this. I don't believe her. Okay, let

683
00:42:14,519 --> 00:42:16,000
me go on the record. I think you're lying, Lady

684
00:42:16,039 --> 00:42:19,079
Victoria Hervey. Let's get if you're gonna make these kind

685
00:42:19,119 --> 00:42:22,599
of claims, and these other people are making these claims,

686
00:42:22,599 --> 00:42:27,639
they should go on the record. Another girl sent me this.

687
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:30,440
I'm the one that saw, and that saw Virginia had

688
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:33,920
the photo of Andrew photoshop by Maria. They were conspiring

689
00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:37,199
to bring the monarchy down using Andrew. This is what

690
00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:44,199
they she's really saying. She must really believe this, conspiring

691
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:51,280
to bring the monarchy down. Lady Victoria did not reveal

692
00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:54,360
which year the photograph had been edited in. Virginia gave

693
00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:57,079
it to the Mail on Sunday in twenty eleven, when

694
00:42:57,119 --> 00:42:59,239
she was living a quiet life with her family on

695
00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:03,440
Australia's Australia's Central Coast. She had been traced by journalist

696
00:43:03,519 --> 00:43:06,960
Sharon Churcher, who was investigating reports that the FBI was

697
00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:10,800
planning to reopen an investigation into the sexual exploitation of

698
00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:14,719
teenagers by Epstein. At first, she was reluctant to talk,

699
00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:17,719
not least because she harbored fears that Epstein might try

700
00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:19,639
to kill her and of course that there is people

701
00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:23,719
like Lady Victoria Skevy out there who have no shame,

702
00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:26,800
no moral compass, and no evidence to back up what

703
00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:31,239
she has to say here. Speaking to The Mail on

704
00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:34,320
Sunday at the time, she produced the picture of Andrew

705
00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:37,840
from a white envelope containing a collection of photos chronicling

706
00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:41,360
her teenage years and travels with Epstein to New Mexico

707
00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:44,920
and Paris. She explained that the picture that with Andrew

708
00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:48,039
was taken at Miss Maxwell's home after a visit to

709
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Tramp nightclub, acclaimed the Duke disputes. She told Churcher at

710
00:43:52,599 --> 00:43:55,239
the meeting that she had sex with Andrew three times

711
00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:58,679
while a teenager, but for legal reasons, the MOS could

712
00:43:58,679 --> 00:44:03,440
not publish her claims, which the duke denies Lady Victoria claim.

713
00:44:03,559 --> 00:44:06,559
She began reaching out to victims, including a survivor in

714
00:44:06,639 --> 00:44:09,079
Canada and one in Florida. Oh, I wonder who that

715
00:44:09,119 --> 00:44:12,480
one is to discuss the photograph after doing several media

716
00:44:12,519 --> 00:44:16,840
interviews following the Laine sentencing. So there is a certain

717
00:44:17,119 --> 00:44:19,480
segment of people who have an axt to grind against

718
00:44:19,519 --> 00:44:23,480
people like Virginia, against people like Maria, and they will

719
00:44:23,519 --> 00:44:28,360
do anything to promote their craziness. Again, people who want

720
00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:31,960
to be part of the story. And I honestly don't

721
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:35,320
believe that this is any of the survivors that have

722
00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:39,760
come forward or talked in the court documents about stuff

723
00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:42,119
or under oath, because if you're going to say this

724
00:44:42,159 --> 00:44:44,239
sort of stuff, you better say it under oath, right,

725
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:48,840
you better be willing to say this under oath. You're

726
00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:52,840
defaming people here. And I'm pretty sure that Virginia's lawyers

727
00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:56,000
are going to perk up and they might want to

728
00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:59,199
have a conversation with miss Hervey. And if that's the case,

729
00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:02,679
the people who so supposedly provided this information to her,

730
00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:05,280
we all know she's not gonna protect her sources, right,

731
00:45:05,639 --> 00:45:12,079
So you see how this works. She said the girls

732
00:45:12,079 --> 00:45:14,000
have been talking to me. I'm a woman. I knew

733
00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:16,119
they would feel comfortable. Oh yeah, because you're a woman.

734
00:45:16,199 --> 00:45:20,800
Wasn't Glenne Maxwell a woman? I mean, are you even

735
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:26,280
paying attention to what you're saying? Lady Victoria Hervey, I

736
00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:28,239
said to them, I just want to get the truth out.

737
00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:30,159
I just want to get the real story out there,

738
00:45:30,199 --> 00:45:32,960
because it hasn't gotten there yet. She's been spilling all

739
00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:35,480
the beans. They've been telling me exactly how they've been

740
00:45:35,519 --> 00:45:39,039
plotting this, how they witness Maria and Virginia making that photo,

741
00:45:39,320 --> 00:45:41,559
how one of the girls was dating the body double.

742
00:45:41,599 --> 00:45:44,159
I don't believe any of that, Okay, In fact, I'm

743
00:45:44,199 --> 00:45:46,119
willing to go on to go out and say that.

744
00:45:46,159 --> 00:45:48,239
I think whoever is saying that is a liar and

745
00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:51,440
is looking to cause disruption here and maybe might even

746
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:54,639
be put on the scene by Epstein's people. They love

747
00:45:54,679 --> 00:46:02,440
this sort of disinformation type shit. She said Maria and

748
00:46:02,559 --> 00:46:05,400
Virginia had been in cahoots for two decades, adding these

749
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:08,599
girls were so bullied by Virginia and silenced by her.

750
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:14,039
Oh give me a fucking break. Here's the deal. Don't

751
00:46:14,039 --> 00:46:16,079
come out and make false claims that you were a

752
00:46:16,119 --> 00:46:18,480
survivor of Jeffrey Epstein. If you weren't, if you were

753
00:46:18,559 --> 00:46:22,400
scoped out by Gallaine Maxwell, that doesn't you weren't a survivor, Okay,

754
00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:25,719
and there's no proof that that even happened. So many

755
00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:28,599
people want to be part of this story. It's so gross,

756
00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:31,280
and all of the people that want to be part

757
00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:35,400
of it interjecting themselves as part of it. Oh this me, me, me,

758
00:46:36,239 --> 00:46:39,400
trying to demean the survivors. You're a piece of shit,

759
00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:45,119
point blank, period, Lady Victoria added. The victims are also

760
00:46:45,159 --> 00:46:47,280
telling me Virginia has been cutting a deal with the

761
00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:50,880
other abusers. She's bringing down Andrew and they're paying her off.

762
00:46:51,360 --> 00:46:54,840
I really so again, I really hope that David Boys

763
00:46:55,119 --> 00:47:00,159
and Virginia's legal team gets wind of this one. They've

764
00:47:00,199 --> 00:47:02,840
all been really scared because Virginia has been silencing them.

765
00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:05,000
She wanted to control the storyline and told them they

766
00:47:05,039 --> 00:47:07,360
should go with her story and then she will pay

767
00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:10,000
them out, she said. The other victims told her they

768
00:47:10,039 --> 00:47:13,039
feel it is crazy Virginia is going after the Duke

769
00:47:13,199 --> 00:47:15,159
when there are other men out there who did rape

770
00:47:15,159 --> 00:47:18,239
and abuse her, She added. One victim wrote me, Virginia,

771
00:47:18,360 --> 00:47:22,559
she's just punishing the prince that didn't marry her one victim. So,

772
00:47:22,679 --> 00:47:25,320
Lady Victoria Hervey, what kind of evidence do you have,

773
00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:27,199
by the way, that these people who reached out to

774
00:47:27,239 --> 00:47:30,960
you were victims. Maybe it was Brettler, maybe it was

775
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:34,119
Prince Andrew himself had with a socc account reaching out

776
00:47:34,119 --> 00:47:36,320
to you. How the fuck do you know the veracity

777
00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:39,079
of their accounts. You're not a journalist, You're an it girl.

778
00:47:39,239 --> 00:47:43,519
You probably can't even spell. You've probably done more cocaine

779
00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:48,840
than Tony Montana. Your brain is probably addled, and you

780
00:47:49,039 --> 00:47:53,000
certainly don't know how to wide through information and properly

781
00:47:53,079 --> 00:47:59,960
process it. Lady Victoria confessed she is unsure whether Virginia

782
00:48:00,119 --> 00:48:03,119
is finishing off the job for Epstein, adding her motivation

783
00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:06,000
in this is money and taking down the Royal family

784
00:48:06,039 --> 00:48:09,960
as well. So again back to the royal family. Don't

785
00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:12,559
lose sight of what the real goal here is. For Victoria.

786
00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:15,920
She's running as a proxy for the Royal family, for

787
00:48:16,039 --> 00:48:21,320
Prince Andrew, and she's willing to say outlandish bullshit in

788
00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:23,920
defense of them. For whatever reason, maybe she thinks it's

789
00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:26,039
not going to come back, and her chickens aren't going

790
00:48:26,119 --> 00:48:28,119
to come home to roost or whatever it may be,

791
00:48:28,599 --> 00:48:35,000
but she's playing with fire. In his TV interview in

792
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:37,920
twenty nineteen, Andrew hinted that his hand around her waist

793
00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:41,320
may not be his. Prince Andrew told BBC Newsnight, you

794
00:48:41,360 --> 00:48:44,280
can't prove whether or not the photograph is faked because

795
00:48:44,280 --> 00:48:47,320
it's a photograph of a photograph of a photograph. It's

796
00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:49,360
very difficult to be able to prove it. But I

797
00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:52,880
don't remember that photograph being taken. That's me, But whether

798
00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:55,320
that's my hand, oh wait, Victoria Hervey, I thought it

799
00:48:55,360 --> 00:49:01,280
was a body double, but it's him, Break News, Victoria Hervey,

800
00:49:01,840 --> 00:49:06,039
you don't know shit about Shinola. The Prince also said

801
00:49:06,039 --> 00:49:08,440
he thought he had never been upstairs in his friend

802
00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:11,559
Glenn Maxwell's house where the photo appears to have been taken.

803
00:49:12,239 --> 00:49:16,320
But Virginia told BBC Panorama in twenty nineteen that the

804
00:49:16,360 --> 00:49:18,960
photo is genuine, and she gave the original to the

805
00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:24,000
FBI in twenty and eleven. So that's really where it's at.

806
00:49:24,840 --> 00:49:27,679
If if the picture is fake, then all they have

807
00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:31,280
to do, meaning Andrew's team, is petition the FBI for

808
00:49:31,360 --> 00:49:36,199
that evidence to use in their case, and that'll end

809
00:49:36,199 --> 00:49:38,199
all of it. But they're not gonna be able to

810
00:49:38,239 --> 00:49:40,639
do that, because you know why, the picture is real.

811
00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:44,480
I one hundred percent believe that that picture is real photoshopped.

812
00:49:44,800 --> 00:49:47,840
And I know lady Victoria Hervey is being dogwalked. Okay,

813
00:49:47,880 --> 00:49:50,960
I know she's being lied to because the timelines don't

814
00:49:50,960 --> 00:49:54,199
even match up. Basic parts of the story don't even

815
00:49:54,239 --> 00:49:58,719
match up. So you could take your nonsensical bs that

816
00:49:58,760 --> 00:50:01,599
you're pitching here and and serve it up somewhere else,

817
00:50:02,360 --> 00:50:06,920
maybe over at bal Immoral, but in the actual narrative

818
00:50:06,960 --> 00:50:10,079
of the story, the mainstream of this story, zero chance

819
00:50:10,119 --> 00:50:13,519
anyone's buying that bullshit. And to the people that are

820
00:50:13,519 --> 00:50:17,039
feeding her that information, your clowns, Wait, you don't think

821
00:50:17,079 --> 00:50:22,199
we're hip to what you're up to. I know exactly

822
00:50:22,239 --> 00:50:24,000
what people like that are up to. I just don't

823
00:50:24,039 --> 00:50:26,599
have the time nor the patients even bother calling them

824
00:50:26,639 --> 00:50:29,840
out and giving them what they want, right, the publicity

825
00:50:29,880 --> 00:50:32,000
that they want. So just let them continue to be

826
00:50:32,079 --> 00:50:36,400
miserable fuckholes, let them continue to make themselves look foolish,

827
00:50:36,480 --> 00:50:39,880
and they'll continue to help digging this hole for their

828
00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:45,400
beloved prints of nothing. All right, folks, that's gonna do

829
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it for tonight. I will be back tomorrow morning like

830
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usual with a morning update, and we will go from there.

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Between now and then, expect some context episodes. If you'd

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like to contact me, you can do that at Bobby

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Kapuci at protonmeil dot com. That's b O B b

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y c A p u c c I at ProtonMail

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folks to letter on