Speaker 1: And welcome back to the Epstein Chronicles. One of the
biggest problems for Prince Andrew throughout this whole entire thing
has been the picture of him with Virginia Roberts. Now,
I know there's been a lot of talk lately that
the picture was photoshopped, or it's doctor or something like that,
But to be honest with you, I've seen zero evidence
that would back up those claims. Whereas, on the flip
side of that, we know that an actual photographer who's
going to be talked about a little bit in this article,
saw the real photo and says that the photo was
not a fake, was not a forgery. So again, I'm
more inclined to believe somebody who has professional knowledge of
the industry than I am of some unhinged ex socialite
who's ranting and raving on the internet. Now, obviously people
are feel free to believe whatever they want, and this
show is a commentary show. I don't make the news here.
I follow it, I curate the news, but I don't
make it. In my opinion, however, there is zero evidence
to back up the claim that this picture is doctored,
or it's fake, or that somebody sat down and photo
shopped it with Galaine Maxwell's tutelage. I mean, again, that's
an extraordinary claim and it would require extraordinary proof, but
we've seen none of that. Whereas Virginia Roberts brought this
picture to light, we've heard from the Kiwi photographer, the journalist,
the photojournalist who deals with this for a living, who
says it's real. And the kicker is allegedly the FBI
is in possession of this photograph. So should be real
easy for either side to try and subpoena this photograph. No,
and I would think that's something that both sides should
be ready to do because it'll prove a whole lot, right, imagine,
produce the real photograph and that's a wrap. There's no
more even thought that this could be a possibility. So
that would definitely go a long way to prove or
disprove this claim. And that's what both of these parties
are looking to do, right, Virginia trying to prove the
veracity of her claim, and then Andrews saying no, I
didn't do this, So I would look for his lawyers
to be very aggressive to try and subpoena that photo.
I guess We'll have to see how it turns out though,
and what kind of strategy they're going to try and use. Again,
this could all just be a pump fake. Remember, when
you're dealing with lawyers like this, they could be playing
a game of misdirection, acting like this is going to
be where they're headed, and then they go someplace else
entirely different. Because again, when you're paying this kind of money,
you have a lot of powerful people at your fingertips.
It's not just the lawyers that come with it, it's
all of the specialists, right, all of the people that
recreate crime scenes or recreate the scene of where this
is supposed to happen, and an expert in this and
an expert in that costs a lot of money. But
when you have good lawyers, that's how you get results.
The only way you have a chance to ever fight
the federal government, which isn't the case here, is if
you have powerful lawyers. Right. But even in this case,
and as you saw with Glenn Maxwell, if you don't
have the truth on your side, it's going to be
very difficult for any lawyer to work magic and get
you off on the merits of your you know, did
it or didn't do it right on your guilt or innocence.
So it's going to be very difficult for any lawyer
to get you off on the merits of your guilt
or innocence. But these good lawyers that make all of
this money, they can find to tech nicality or a
loophole perhaps, and that is really what you're paying for,
along with the relationships that they have made along the
way with the judges and the prosecutors and all of that.
So Andrew's team they might be, you know, up to
something else. And then again, this might be the strategy,
and this might be all that's left to them is
to go absolute scorched earth. So tonight we have an
article from the Independent that's discussing this very thing, and
the author of this article is Bevin Hurley. Headline, Prince
Andrew the origins of the Virginia Roberts image that could
determine the outcome of his sexual assault trial. And I
can't disagree with that headline. I mean, for me, this
has always been, like I've said, the most important piece
of evidence that Virginia has provided. It shows them that
they were together. It shows that paints the picture that
they were obviously hanging out. And then you add that
having the picture available to us with his BS lives
of saying, oh, I've never met her, well, how does
that add up? And then he's sending emails to Glaine
Maxwell asking about Virginia Roberts. If you didn't, if you've
never met her, then what are you doing sending emails?
So the picture is really, honestly what it all hinges
on in my opinion. Now, there's other witnesses and other
statements that are going to go a long way to
help seal the deal. But I really believe that this
is the biggest piece of evidence that has been provided
against Prince Andrew. The photograph of a photograph that shows
a forty one year old heir to the British throne
with his arm casually draped around the bar middrift of
a seventeen year old girl sent shockwaves through the royal
family when it was first published in twenty and eleven. Now,
remember this picture has been out here since two thousand
and eleven. Now, if this picture was fake and it
was such a huge deal, why hasn't Andrew sued Virginia
for defamation? Why hasn't he come after her legally to
clean his good to clear his good name. Do you
really think he wants to be to sit down for
a deposition. That's what it all comes back to, right,
the boomerang effect. He knows that he can't do that
because A, it's a real picture, and B if he does,
then he's going to really have to sit down and
be deposed, which well that's gonna happen anyway now. But
before I'm saying, so, he had all of this time,
We're talking since twenty and eleven, all right, eleven ten years,
eleven years now, and he hasn't sued her. He hasn't
made one single move in the court of law to
go after her legally speaking because she defamed him or
she's telling lies about him or anything like that. So again,
that's another thing that goes a long way for me,
because if he really wanted to clear his name, don't
you think he would counter sue and say, hey, look
what's up. I'm gonna you know that didn't happen. That
picture is not real, and here's my evidence why. Eleven
years on, that image is likely to be a key
piece of evidence when Prince Andrew's sexual assault lawsuit gets
under way in a civil court in New York later
this year, Virginia Roberts issuing the Royal for intentional emotional
harm and battery overclaimed she was forced to have sex
with him three times in two thousand and one. Andrew
sixty one has denied any wrongdoing and signaled in court
filings that is defense will revolve around the fallibility of
Miss Roberts's memory, her shifting statements and alleged roll in
Jeffrey Epstein's empire of abuse. And I said this once
and I'll say it again. This is a very dangerous
arena that they're playing in calling Jeffrey Epstein an empire
of abuse. This that the other thing. Let's not forget
that Prince Andrew chose to be around on Jeffrey Epstein
even after he was a convicted sex offender, so he
had an empire of abuse. But your client still chose
to be a basically a court jester, an oddity while
Jeffrey Epstein held court in this empire of abuse like
a second rate emperor, and your coward, chump ass client
did nothing about it. Okay, if that's the avenue you're
going to go down as a defense, the Duke of
York and his supporters have sought to cast doubt on
the photos authenticity by claiming it was somehow faked, photoshopped,
or even that an Irish body double had been edited
into the frame. I mean, this is like next level
conspiracy stuff. An Irish body double, what next? It's absurd.
I know we talked about this a little bit already,
but it's absolutely absurd. And Irish body double huh uh?
You would have me believe that there's an Irish body
double employed here to make pretend he's Prince Andrew in
two thousand and one to get this picture. Oh yeah,
I forgot. It's a big plot to take down the monarchy.
The plantangentents are coming back. The War of the Roses
is going to start up again. I mean, get out
of here, turn the TV off, Holy Toledo. The original
image is said to be in the FBI's possession and
could be subpoenaed by either the princes or Miss Roberts attorneys. Well,
that would be the most likeliest route here. Huh. Like
I said in the monologue, I would think both sides
would want this picture to be turned over. It proves
a whole lot if this is an authentic picture game
set match. How do you get out of that? How
do you wiggle your royal ass off of that? You don't?
That's crash and burn time. So let's see how quick
and how a agressive his lawyers are here with the subpoena.
It's just like with Maxwell's lawyer's posturing. Remember, oh, well,
she shouldn't be in solitary. Yeah, right, so she should
go to general population. Let's see how they want her.
Let's see if they want her in gen pop now
that she's been convicted. Ms Roberts fell into Jeffrey Epstein's
orbit after a chance meeting with Glean Maxwell, who was
convicted in December of grooming and recruiting young girls for
him at mar A Lago in two thousand when she
was sixteen years old. So we all know that story.
Virginia worked there sixteen years old, recruited by Glan Maxwell,
brought into the clutches of Jeffrey Epstein, groomed, had this
shit normalized for, and then she was set out like
all of the other girls. Hailey Robson to go bring
other girls back to Jeffrey Epstein. And why would they
do it? Oh? Well, Why would they do that? Was
said the person who lived in the suburbs their whole life,
who have never had to worry about where their next
meal is coming from. That's why life's hard for people. Man.
And sometimes when you're young and you don't have any guidance,
nobody telling you what's right from wrong, no money, something
like this is appealing. And then you show up to
this big ass mansion and everybody's doing the same thing.
This rich ass guy, pictures of presidents on the wall. Well,
maybe you're in the wrong, right, you're questioning yourself. And
a lot of poor people have low self esteem to
begin with. So see all of this opulence around you,
you think these people are onto something. How else do
they get all that money? Little do you know, they're
all thieving it. She has since told in depositions and
public interviews how she was sexually abused by Epstein and
traffic to have sex with his friends during trips from
Florida to his properties in Manhattan, New Mexico and the
US Virgin Islands. And you know, I always see people say, well,
who are these people that she was traffic to, or
though there were traffic to. The informations out there. I've
done episodes on all of them. We're talking Glen dube In,
according to her, Bill Richardson, George Mitchell. The list goes on.
So the people who say that are just people who
are obviously not too hip to the names that have
already been stated. Now they might not be people who
have been arrested or anything like that, but these are
people that have been credibly accused at this point, and
it's crazy that the hammer hasn't dropped on a lot
of them. Miss Roberts gave a detailed account of the
night that the photo has taken to BBC's Panorama in
twenty nineteen. She said she had been at the Tramp
nightclub in central London on March tenth of two thousand
and one with Prince Andrew Maxwell and Epstein. Andrew brought
her a drink and they danced together, she said, before
they drove back to Maxwell's house in Belgravia, London, in
separate vehicles. So she was brought there, according to her,
with the purpose for her to have relations with Prince Andrew,
and that is the whole reason that they brought her
with them to London. According to Virginia, during the drive
back Miss Roberts, I mean Miss Roberts said she was
instructed to do for Andrew what I do for Jeffrey
by Maxwell. That made me sick. I just didn't expect
it from Royalty. And can you imagine you got the
Prince of England. You're dancing with them, you know, you're
having drinks. What great night? Holy cow. I can't wait
to tell my friends I met an actual prince. He
was buying me drinks and we were dancing. It was
a great time. And then for it to turn into
a nightmare, I mean it has to be just can't
I can't imagine, honestly. She earlier told The Mail on
Sunday that the four of them went upstairs at Maxwell's
flat and she asked Epstein to snap a picture of
me with the Prince. I wanted something to show my mom,
she said. Andrew, who denies any wrongdoing, has questioned the
photograph's authenticity. And again, look, I'm not a photograph expert, right,
I have never seen the original photo. I'm just going
on what the experts say or what the expert has said.
And the fact that you would think that if the
FBI didn't have this picture in their possession, they'd come
out and say that, or they would let the lawyers
know that. My guess is the FBI has this picture
and it's going to come back with devastating results for
Prince Andrew when and if it is released, you know,
not to us, maybe, but in the court proceedings, maybe
under seal whatever. But even if it's not, all they
have to do is subpoena the expert who has saw
the picture, the actual photograph, put him under oath. And
that's a pretty strong witness testimony to the authenticity of
the picture. And again put that up next to the
people who are challenging it and what they've brought to
the table, and it's just not enough. It's not enough
to pass a kangaroo court, never mind an actual court
of law, he told the BBC Newsnight in twenty nineteen.
From the investigations that we've done, you can't prove whether
or not the photograph is faked or not, because it
is a photograph of a photograph of a photograph, a
nice try, flimsy as hell, though. There's no way that
you're gonna have me believe that this was whipped up
in a photoshop. It's just it's too far for me
to travel to get to a destination. Maxwell, who was
awaiting sentencing for sex trafficking, has also previously previously claimed
that the photo could have been faked, could have, could
have not is could have in the event, we can't, Uh,
and Andrew, you can't prove whether or not that photograph
is faked or not. So why don't you sue? Why
didn't you sue her for defamation for making a fake
photo in the In a twenty sixteen deposition she gave
in relation to Miss Roberts defamation case against her, she
said the surroundings familiar, but added, we can't really establish
the photograph and all that. Oh no, not at all.
I don't know if that's true, if that's a real
picture or not. Well, it's gonna be nice because guess what.
Glenn Maxwell is a known liar and she's been charged
with perjury on top of human trafficking, So is she
really a reliable narrator? Andrew's former girlfriend, Lady Victoria Scurvy,
I mean Hervey this week added fuel to the conspiracy
theories by claiming in an Instagram story post to her
one hundred and thirteen thousand followers that an Irish body
double had been photoshopped into the image. So when are
the misinformation police showing up for Lady Victoria Heavy. It's
a pretty big stretch of the imagination with no sources. Source,
someone on the internet, source, anonymous person, source, give me
a break already. Hervey's unverified claims appear to suggest that
another man's frame was swapped into the photograph with a
photo of Andrew Head added, and the real photo was
taken on a yacht in the south of France during
a birthday party for Naomi Campbell. Yeah, you know, that's
exactly what happened, one hundred percent. Miss Roberts has always
insisted the image was authentic and said she gave the
original to the FBI in two thousand and eleven. The
Independent has approached the FBI to try to verify this. Well, hallelujah,
someone doing some work. Huh, the legacy media doing a
little bit of work here, What do you know? Good job, guys,
Only fifteen years, twenty years too late. I mean, come on,
should have been going digging into this a long time ago.
If it was fake, then why is Prince Andrew not
suing Miss Roberts broke off all contact with Epstein and
Maxwell after meeting her husband Robert, in Thailand in two
thousand and two. By two thousand and eleven, she had
settled into a new life in Glendenning Valley, a small
coastal town about sixty six kilometers north of Sydney, Australia.
You know, one of these days, I'm gonna get out
to Australia. Hell of a place. Some the videos I
see pictures, I mean, amazing beaches. People are fantastic in Australia.
I definitely got to get out there one of these
days when the world at least gets some semblance of normalcy.
Rumors of a new FBI investigation into Epstein's sexual offending
led Meil on Sunday journalist Sharon Churcher to trace Miss
Robert It's halfway around the world to her new home.
Fearful of Epstein and his powerful friends, whose secret she
had kept for a decade, she was initially reluctant to
open up about a past. According to the Mail, well,
I mean imagine I'd be scared as shit too, Jeffrey
Epstein's friends. You saw those people on the walls. You
knew all the people he was running with, and you
know about the threats he's made to people allegedly. Hey, yeah,
definitely something to be concerned about. But she eventually agreed
and produced a collection of teenage snaps showing the years
of travel with Epstein and Maxwell. She was paid one
hundred and sixty thousand dollars for the interview, which somebody
would pay me for an interview, more like pay me
not to talk anymore, pay me to shut my app
Among them was an image of Prince Andrew with Virginia
and Maxwell. It's believed that Epstein was behind the camera
and that's the one you see the picture. It has
the smudge of the finger on it as well, and
that's that's believed to be Jeffrey Epstein who was taking
this picture. Now here's the most important part of all
of this in my opinion, and the thing again that
goes with the photo that is the most concrete of
the evidence. Michael Thomas, a freelance photographer from New Zealand,
traveled to Australia to meet miss Roberts and recalled her
casually pulling the picture of Prince Andrew from a bundle
of photographs she had held onto it was a normal
print that would that you would get back from the
chemist in the time of negative mister Thomas told The
Independent by email. Miss Roberts didn't seem to grasp the
impact the photograph would have and kept it in a
bundle with other images from her travels. So it's not
like she was using that picture specifically as a selling point, right.
That wasn't her preview page, if you will. It was
a picture in a bundle of pictures. So if that's
the case, then that wasn't the prominent picture that was
being offered up. It was noticed by the investigator here,
mister Thomas and Churcher. Mister Thomas added, what I struggled
to understand is that if it was fake, then why
is Prince Hendrew not suing every media outlet in the
world for running it. Surely if they were reproducing a
fake photo with all the implications it has had for him,
that is the first thing he would do. At the
end of the day, I just copied a photograph. I
never expected it to turn into this. At no stage
have I doubted it is a genuine photograph. So again,
people are more than free to believe whatever they want,
and I will do the same. I'll continue to follow
the evidence to arrive at my destination. And for me,
the kicker here is a we have the photo, but
b Michael Thomas, the freelance photographer co signing and saying
it's a legitimate, real photo. So until there's some real evidence,
not some wacky zeitgeist shit posted on some ex socialites
Instagram page, until we get some concrete proof proving otherwise,
I'm gonna have to go with Prince Andrews really in
big trouble here, and you can double that trouble, fuck
triple it if that photo is reproduced, meaning if the
FBI does have it and it's subpoenaed and it shows up,
pull boy. Andrew's in for it. So very interested to
see what happens with that photo. And I'm interested to
see what the FBI has to say to the Independent
now that the Independent has asked them about it. Obviously
they'll say, this is my guess, it's an ongoing investigation.
We can't release that information to you, all right, maybe
not in the bad guy laugh, but you get it,
all right, folks. That's gonna do it for tonight. Obviously
some context episodes on their way and then tomorrow morning
right back at it and we'll see where we're at.
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On tonight's episode, we're gonna talk a little bit more
about Lady Victoria Hervey and the new claims that she
is now making. According to The Daily Mail. Recently, we
know she came out and she was coming to the
defense of her buddy Prince Andrew and saying that the
pictures were photoshop. Y RGI, the pictures were fake, it
was a forgery, you know, the whole rundown of excuses
and cover fire for her boy uncle Touchy. Well, she's
went further than that now. She is doubling down on
what she had to say then with these new statements
here in the Daily Mail. So let's jump into this
article and let's see what the Daily Mail has to say.
Headline Prince Andrew's ex Lady Victoria Hervey claims infamous image
of Duke with Virginia Roberts was faked, using photo of
accuser in the same clothes taken at Naomi Campbell's birthday
months later, and a body double who dated another Epstein victim.
Uh what this whole entire body double stuff is bizarre, folks,
Absolutely positively bizarre. And it shows you that you know
they're reaching for anything right now. Like I say, it's
like a wreckage, right and instead of drowning, you're going
to reach for whatever kind of wreckage from the shipwreck
is available to you. And that's what they're doing. They're
just scrambling, treading water, trying to stay afloat. And when
you have Lady Victoria scurvy, I mean Hervey out here
acting as your mouthpiece and running obvious nonsense. You want
to talk about misinformation, everybody's out here talking about oh misinformation.
Well here's some misinformation for you, folks. This article was
authored by Siafrey Siofra Brennan. Earlier this week, Lady Victoria
Hervey sensationally repeated claims that the infamous photo of Prince
Andrew and Virginia Roberts was faked now the forty four
year old socialite and former it girl meaning never had
a job, never held down a job, doesn't know what
it's like to be part of the working class. The
sixth Duke of Marchus, who cares about her father, by
the way, But you know, another one of these people
who has never had a real job or anything like that.
But we'll sit here and tell you how much better
they are than you, has doubled down by identifying the
set of images. She says, we're used to create the
doctored photo. Well, it's nice to know that her trained
eye can zero in on this and bring this to
light for us. As I'm always saying, I'm here for
the evidence. So if Lady Victoria Heavy has the evidence,
let's see it. But if what she has is what
she's talking about in this article, she's just gonna come
off looking like another fool. The infamous snap with the
Duke of York, which was reportedly taken in March two
thousand and one at Glene Maxwell's London apartment, has been
reproduced countless times around the world after Miss Roberts shared
it with The Mail on Sunday in February of twenty
and eleven. By the way, the only expert that we
have so far that's come out and talked about this
picture was the gentleman from New Zealand. We posted an
art an episode about it. The guy came out and
said the picture was authentic. So who are we going
to believe? Again? I believe the evidence here, folks. I
don't get involved in all of the minutia and the bs.
Where does the evidence go? And so far we have
an expert telling us that the picture is real, and
then we have the former IT girl socialite Lady Victoria R.
Hervey telling us it's not. So I believe the saying
is follow the science. But Lady Victoria said it has
been pieced together using a photo taken at Naomi Campbell's
birthday party on board a yacht in Santrope in May
two thousand and one, in which Virginia can be seen
wearing the same white tank top and colorful patterned jeans. Well,
since we're just you know, throwing shit out there and
throwing a garbage around, maybe that it's the outfit that
Andrew demanded she wears. Oh well there's a rub huh.
Maybe she was wearing that outfit because Epstein liked it
and told her that she had to wear the same
thing to go see Andrew. Not possible right now. Instead,
it's a whole entire elaborate photoshop fakery session going on.
The logical explanation is, of course, that she was wearing
the same outfit on both occasions. What's more, Lady Victoria
does not have a copy of the exact Virginia photo
from Santrope, which she claims was used to fake the
Prince fake the Prince Andrew image, and it has never
been seen publicly. However, she did share a bizarre painted
reproduction of the alleged image to Instagram earlier this week.
I mean, am I the only one that notices the
irony here? She produces a reproduction of a picture talking
about how the original picture that was produced is a reproduction?
Is she suffering from CTE? Seriously? Maybe her family should,
maybe they should check on her. Did she play soccer
as a youth and deliver too many headers and now
is suffering the after effects of that? Because no sane
individual could look at the evidence and come up with this,
And honestly, she's playing a dangerous game. Another one of
these people that wants to be part of the story.
So maybe the prosecutors, maybe they should subpoena or her
for all of the evidence that she says that she has.
Let's see it all again. Wherever the evidence leads me
is where I'm willing to go. Lady Victoria added to
her baffling claims by saying that an Irish guy, well,
that does it? Hut? An Irish guy that could be
I don't know how many people live in Ireland, how
many Irish people living around the world. Who was dating
one of Epstein's survivors in two thousand and one and
also attended the boat party was used as a body
double for Prince Andrew in the fake image. Look, folk,
now we're bordering on the land of absolute quackery here
with the stuff she's talking about. These are the sort
of conspiracy theories that I tell you to be very
very careful of, the kind of shit that floats around
a lot, especially in a case like this. Oh and
you'll see the same people pumping the same shit all
the time, usually for personal gain, by the way, But
let's stick in reality here. Okay, there's no body doubles,
nobody's bringing a fake Andrew onto a boat. Okay, none
of that's occurring, and certainly it's not a fake body
double of Andrew being used to set him up. What
sort of bizarre, nonsensical toad venom are you smoking right now?
In an exclusive interview, Lady Victoria told Female she has
spoken to several victims of Jeffrey Epstein who said they
believe the image was edited by Virginia and Maria Farmer,
another victim who worked as an artist and residence for Epstein.
I mean, what's next. It was the Easter Bunny and
Toucan Sam who were actually doing the grooming, and it
wasn't Glene Maxwell and Sarah Kelln Vickers. That's what they're
gonna want you to believe. Next, she said other survivors
had seen Virginia and Maria photoshopping the image before being
bullied and silenced by Virginia. Well, that's gonna be an
issue because Virginia and Maria weren't at the property at
the same time, You epic moron. So I'm gonna tell
you what happened here. Probably Okay, looks like Lady Victoya
heavy has been trolled and some people that are saying
they're survivors of Epstein's probably are trolling her now Again,
maybe she has all the goods and there are people
who are saying they saw this, but I don't know
how considering the timelines don't match up. Maria was with
Epstein ninety four, ninety five, that range. She wasn't there
her time with Epstein and Epstein's time with Virginia it
didn't overlap, So I don't know where this is coming from.
Lady Victoria said the pair had been in cahoots for
twenty years because they wanted to bring down the monarchy
using Prince Andrew, adding that Epstein that was Epstein's intention
to I mean, folks, are you seriously listening to this
right now? And are you grasping what's going on here?
Talk about laying down cover fire for Prince Andrew. It's
so pathetic that the only person he can have come
out in his defense is Lady Victoria Hervey, so called
socialite from the seventies and eighties and nineties or whatever,
who's out here throwing out all kinds of crazy conspiracy
theories like she's Alex Jones. Lady Victoria Hervey Jones, that's
what will from now on, I know this sounds pretty wild.
Epstein told one survivor that he basically wanted to bring
down the monarchy. She said, Oh, I'm sure that was
his goal. His whole entire goal, this whole entire time
was to bring down the monarchy. That's why he never
dined out his boy Andrew or turned over any compromande
on him Mitch. Lady Victoria Hervey, please sit down in
the back and pay attention while the adults talk, because
you obviously have no idea what you're talking about here, lady. Meanwhile,
the socialite said she had passed on all of her
findings to a member of Prince Andrew's legal team, adding
she's got everything. She got it all, She's got recordings,
at screenshots and everything. Let's see it. I'm here for it.
I can't wait to see who it is. And I
would think that David Boyse is gonna be pretty interested too.
Lady Victoria Hervey better be very careful what she's wishing
for here, you know, inserting her story being a surrogate,
you know, being wanting to be the story. Again, my
question is, what were your what were you doing with Maxwell,
Lady Victoria or Hervey, did you help her groom anybody?
How many girls did you bring into Jeffrey Epstein's grips
because you were the it girl and people wanted to
be around you. Oh, you didn't know anything, though, right.
Virginia claimed she was trafficked by Epstein and Maxwell and
forced to have sex with the royal on three occasions
when she was seventeen, claims Andrew strenuously denies. Virginia has
previously described in legal documents how she attended the party
in Santrope to celebrate Miss Campbell's thirty first birthday in
two thousand and one. Images from the party show Virginia
in an off white strappy top with expos which exposed
her midrift, and distinctive multi colored trousers. Meanwhile, photographs also
show Golaine from the night of the party, wearing a
blue knitted jumper with a knitted white and with a
knitted white skirt. Okay, Great Lady Victoria set. A photograph
taken at the party shows Virginia leaning against the boat
and holding her coat in one hand, and this is
the image that was used to fake the photo with
Prince Andrew. Wow, I mean, how could you possibly come
up with that by looking at the evidence that's been provided.
Talk about chasing your confirmation bias. Holy Toledo. She believes
one of the clearest signs that it has been edited
is Virginia's hand, and she said it looks slightly odd
because she was actually leaning against the side of the
boat in the original photo. Well, thanks, Inspector Gadget. We're
really glad that you're here to clean this all up
for us. Lady Victoria Hervey, I hear six is looking
for somebody to come in and start working in their
analyst apartment. They need somebody to verify what's real and
what's not. And we all know that you're the purveyor
of truth here. You're the arbiter of what pictures are
real and what pictures aren't real. I contacted Prince Andrew's
legal team breaking news if they need you to contact
them at two thousand dollars an hour, and they couldn't
figure this out on their own, they're not doing their job. Furthermore,
your information is probably gobbage. However, she does not have
a copy of the alleged picture and it has never
been seen publicly. Well, that's an issue. How are you
going to use evidence that you've never seen publicly and
you don't have a copy of kind of difficult. No. However,
Lady Victoria went on to claim that an Epstein victim
who saw the alleged photo and witnessed it being edited
by Virginia and Maria has recreated it. She said, one
of the girls is an artist, and she drew a
painting of the original photograph of Virginia on the boat
holding her coat. Okay, I'm guessing it's Rinna Oh that
she's talking about who contacted her. Now, with all of
this here and again, look if you got the proof,
let's see it. All of this nonsense, though, I don't understand,
because you're not providing any proof with your little rantier. Instead,
all you're doing is trying to muddy the waters and
provide more cover for Prince Andrew because the real issue
at hand is you cannot explain away that photo, so
you will say or do anything to try and destroy
the credibility of that photo. And if that means saying that,
you have other survivors who were saying they saw the
photo edited, which is odd again because how did they
see that when Maria and Virginia weren't even working or
in Epstein's atmosphere at the same time, So that right
there doesn't even line up. Your basic timeline doesn't even
fit with the official timeline of the way things went down.
It was this image that Lady Victoria shared to social
media earlier this week, causing a stir with her bizarre claims.
Another survivor of Epstein, Maria, was the artist in residence
and receptionist at Epstein's New York office in nineteen ninety
five after graduating from the New York Academy of Arts
and handpicked by Epstein to work for him, who was
also a college donor. So it shows you right there,
nineteen ninety five, Virginia wasn't anywhere. Virginia was like ten
years old or something eleven years old at that point,
nineteen ninety five. So what are you even talking about here?
Your timeline, your base, the basics of your story don't
even pass the first bit of a sniff test. Lady
Victoria said she was told told by Epstein survivors that
Golain had taught Maria and Virginia had a photoshop images
well nineteen ninety five, when Maria was working with Jeffrey
Epstein and Glenn Maxwell. She was a photoshop wizard now too, huh.
I think that'll be news to Maria, and I'm sure
Maria love to refute that. Mean, so she's a computer wizard.
Her and eleven year old Virginia somehow are in contact
in this fantasyland story that lady Victoria are heavy is
pumping out here, and they're both computer wizes that know
how to photoshop pictures so good that it fools professionals
and the FBI. That's pretty good stuff and they should
probably parlay that into some kind of act to make
some money on the back of right talk about absurdities,
she said. The victims then saw the duo editing the
infamous photograph of the duke with Virginia using images from
the birthday party. She said, the girls were there. I
guess they all lived together. You know, no, we don't know.
That isn't the case. They didn't all live together. What
are you even talking about? This is one of the
most ridiculous conspiracy theories, because that's what this is that
I've ever heard, and it's almost offensive that somebody would
try and pump this. I mean, you might fool people
who aren't following the case, but people who understand the
basic timeline here, take one look at your claims and
you'll get laughed out of the room. Everyone was aware,
four or five of the survivors know that they Maria
and Virginia did it and saw it. Prove it point blank, period.
You're gonna need to prove that, Lady Victoria Hervey. I mean,
anyone can say anything, right, but you're gonna need to
prove something like that, considering, like I said, Maria wasn't
even around when Virginia was around, So that blows all
your whole, entire nonsensical bs right directly out of the water,
she said. While the duo took a photograph of Gallaine's
empty home, editing in the image of Victorio holding her
coat on the boat, Lady Victoria claim They then edited
Glaine into the image, altering her outfit by changing the
color of her top and removing the sleeves. This beggar's belief, folks. Honestly,
I don't even know how the Daily Mail could run this.
This is like you standing on the corner and shouting
about how the world is flat and how there is
a civilization at the center of it. I honestly feel
like I'm in college again and I'm on an acid trip. Meanwhile,
she said, Maria and Virginia used the body of an
Irish man who had been dating one of the other
victims at the time, to act as a double for
Prince Andrew. It's crazy. I know it's crazy. However, she
said she does not know if the image was taken
at the boat party or whether the unnamed Irish man
was aware of the plot by Virginia. Man. Virginia sure
is pretty crafty at seventeen years old. She is one plotting,
devious young lady, considering she came from a broken home,
had no college or schooling or anything like that. It's honestly,
and I'm gonna curse right here. It's fucking disgusting what
this lady is saying. She pointed to both Virginia and
Andrew's hands as evidence the image had been doctored, adding
her hand and his hand looked so freaking weird, she continued.
They learned how to do all of this editing by Glaine.
I don't know if Glaine and Jeffrey we're in on
the fake photo. It's such bs wow. I don't even
know what to say, what else to say about it
besides just calling it BS. Meanwhile, Lady Victoria also said
there had never been a physical photo of that shot,
It's all digital, and accused Virginia of telling different story
about whether there was a copy. When asked about why
Virginia and Maria might have been motivated to edit the photograph,
Lady Victoria referred to a message from another survivor. Another survivor,
she's just saying this. I don't believe her. Okay, let
me go on the record. I think you're lying, Lady
Victoria Hervey. Let's get if you're gonna make these kind
of claims, and these other people are making these claims,
they should go on the record. Another girl sent me this.
I'm the one that saw, and that saw Virginia had
the photo of Andrew photoshop by Maria. They were conspiring
to bring the monarchy down using Andrew. This is what
they she's really saying. She must really believe this, conspiring
to bring the monarchy down. Lady Victoria did not reveal
which year the photograph had been edited in. Virginia gave
it to the Mail on Sunday in twenty eleven, when
she was living a quiet life with her family on
Australia's Australia's Central Coast. She had been traced by journalist
Sharon Churcher, who was investigating reports that the FBI was
planning to reopen an investigation into the sexual exploitation of
teenagers by Epstein. At first, she was reluctant to talk,
not least because she harbored fears that Epstein might try
to kill her and of course that there is people
like Lady Victoria Skevy out there who have no shame,
no moral compass, and no evidence to back up what
she has to say here. Speaking to The Mail on
Sunday at the time, she produced the picture of Andrew
from a white envelope containing a collection of photos chronicling
her teenage years and travels with Epstein to New Mexico
and Paris. She explained that the picture that with Andrew
was taken at Miss Maxwell's home after a visit to
Tramp nightclub, acclaimed the Duke disputes. She told Churcher at
the meeting that she had sex with Andrew three times
while a teenager, but for legal reasons, the MOS could
not publish her claims, which the duke denies Lady Victoria claim.
She began reaching out to victims, including a survivor in
Canada and one in Florida. Oh, I wonder who that
one is to discuss the photograph after doing several media
interviews following the Laine sentencing. So there is a certain
segment of people who have an axt to grind against
people like Virginia, against people like Maria, and they will
do anything to promote their craziness. Again, people who want
to be part of the story. And I honestly don't
believe that this is any of the survivors that have
come forward or talked in the court documents about stuff
or under oath, because if you're going to say this
sort of stuff, you better say it under oath, right,
you better be willing to say this under oath. You're
defaming people here. And I'm pretty sure that Virginia's lawyers
are going to perk up and they might want to
have a conversation with miss Hervey. And if that's the case,
the people who so supposedly provided this information to her,
we all know she's not gonna protect her sources, right,
So you see how this works. She said the girls
have been talking to me. I'm a woman. I knew
they would feel comfortable. Oh yeah, because you're a woman.
Wasn't Glenne Maxwell a woman? I mean, are you even
paying attention to what you're saying? Lady Victoria Hervey, I
said to them, I just want to get the truth out.
I just want to get the real story out there,
because it hasn't gotten there yet. She's been spilling all
the beans. They've been telling me exactly how they've been
plotting this, how they witness Maria and Virginia making that photo,
how one of the girls was dating the body double.
I don't believe any of that, Okay, In fact, I'm
willing to go on to go out and say that.
I think whoever is saying that is a liar and
is looking to cause disruption here and maybe might even
be put on the scene by Epstein's people. They love
this sort of disinformation type shit. She said Maria and
Virginia had been in cahoots for two decades, adding these
girls were so bullied by Virginia and silenced by her.
Oh give me a fucking break. Here's the deal. Don't
come out and make false claims that you were a
survivor of Jeffrey Epstein. If you weren't, if you were
scoped out by Gallaine Maxwell, that doesn't you weren't a survivor, Okay,
and there's no proof that that even happened. So many
people want to be part of this story. It's so gross,
and all of the people that want to be part
of it interjecting themselves as part of it. Oh this me, me, me,
trying to demean the survivors. You're a piece of shit,
point blank, period, Lady Victoria added. The victims are also
telling me Virginia has been cutting a deal with the
other abusers. She's bringing down Andrew and they're paying her off.
I really so again, I really hope that David Boys
and Virginia's legal team gets wind of this one. They've
all been really scared because Virginia has been silencing them.
She wanted to control the storyline and told them they
should go with her story and then she will pay
them out, she said. The other victims told her they
feel it is crazy Virginia is going after the Duke
when there are other men out there who did rape
and abuse her, She added. One victim wrote me, Virginia,
she's just punishing the prince that didn't marry her one victim. So,
Lady Victoria Hervey, what kind of evidence do you have,
by the way, that these people who reached out to
you were victims. Maybe it was Brettler, maybe it was
Prince Andrew himself had with a socc account reaching out
to you. How the fuck do you know the veracity
of their accounts. You're not a journalist, You're an it girl.
You probably can't even spell. You've probably done more cocaine
than Tony Montana. Your brain is probably addled, and you
certainly don't know how to wide through information and properly
process it. Lady Victoria confessed she is unsure whether Virginia
is finishing off the job for Epstein, adding her motivation
in this is money and taking down the Royal family
as well. So again back to the royal family. Don't
lose sight of what the real goal here is. For Victoria.
She's running as a proxy for the Royal family, for
Prince Andrew, and she's willing to say outlandish bullshit in
defense of them. For whatever reason, maybe she thinks it's
not going to come back, and her chickens aren't going
to come home to roost or whatever it may be,
but she's playing with fire. In his TV interview in
twenty nineteen, Andrew hinted that his hand around her waist
may not be his. Prince Andrew told BBC Newsnight, you
can't prove whether or not the photograph is faked because
it's a photograph of a photograph of a photograph. It's
very difficult to be able to prove it. But I
don't remember that photograph being taken. That's me, But whether
that's my hand, oh wait, Victoria Hervey, I thought it
was a body double, but it's him, Break News, Victoria Hervey,
you don't know shit about Shinola. The Prince also said
he thought he had never been upstairs in his friend
Glenn Maxwell's house where the photo appears to have been taken.
But Virginia told BBC Panorama in twenty nineteen that the
photo is genuine, and she gave the original to the
FBI in twenty and eleven. So that's really where it's at.
If if the picture is fake, then all they have
to do, meaning Andrew's team, is petition the FBI for
that evidence to use in their case, and that'll end
all of it. But they're not gonna be able to
do that, because you know why, the picture is real.
I one hundred percent believe that that picture is real photoshopped.
And I know lady Victoria Hervey is being dogwalked. Okay,
I know she's being lied to because the timelines don't
even match up. Basic parts of the story don't even
match up. So you could take your nonsensical bs that
you're pitching here and and serve it up somewhere else,
maybe over at bal Immoral, but in the actual narrative
of the story, the mainstream of this story, zero chance
anyone's buying that bullshit. And to the people that are
feeding her that information, your clowns, Wait, you don't think
we're hip to what you're up to. I know exactly
what people like that are up to. I just don't
have the time nor the patients even bother calling them
out and giving them what they want, right, the publicity
that they want. So just let them continue to be
miserable fuckholes, let them continue to make themselves look foolish,
and they'll continue to help digging this hole for their
beloved prints of nothing. All right, folks, that's gonna do
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