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Speaker 1: So what's the podcast that you're doing. Tell us about it.

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The wrestling podcast.

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Speaker 2: So the podcast is the podcast that's called the Josh

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Zodiac Podcast. It stars him his brother called the Psycho Nerd.

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Don't even ask me, and and myself. So and there's

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a there's another co host that he's that he's brought

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on and she's pretty good too. She's very knowledgeable. And

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when we were doing the the live pl e's I

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do the live recording. He does the podcast. So when

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there's a live pl E a big one, I'm usually

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the one that does it through my channel and he

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joins in with with everybody, and you know, we cover

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the matches. Yeah, but but he does it's like an hour.

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It's it's an hour podcast and discuss various different topics,

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usually about Ross SmackDown and what's going on with the

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next p l E or other wrestling rumors, like we

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talked about Hogan, we talked about and Cross and Scarlett

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not being resigned, we talked about how bad they are.

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It's just it's just completely, uh, all over the place wrestling.

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So it's like, you know, we don't discuss because I know,

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tough bumps. You focused on one topic and you guys

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go on it for for how long? The show is

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maybe two?

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Speaker 1: Not?

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Speaker 2: Well you talk about several topics.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, we actually do. We actually do several topics

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on on tough Bumps. What we do is so we

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have the main event. Every week, we pick a subject

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that we're going to cover in depth, and then but

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we also have the undercard, and the undercard is usually

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two or three subjects that we're we cover kind of

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a short We have briefer conversations about leading up to

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the main event. So then the main event will be

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whatever it is, like like this past weekend, the main

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event was aw kind of the history of ae W.

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So we kind of we kind of do it that way.

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But I mean that's but that's another great thing about

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podcasting too, is you know you can do it anyway you.

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Speaker 3: Want to this.

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Speaker 1: No, there's no rules, there's no format to follow. You

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know you can it can change, it can evolve, it

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can devolve, it can you know however you wanna, however

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you want to do it. I feel like you have

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you worked with Josh Zodiac before. The reason I ask

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is I've heard that name and I think I've heard

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you mentioned the name before Josh Zodiac.

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Speaker 2: No, I've actually just recently come on to his UHS

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podcast uh as an official co host. He had me

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on a guest a couple of times. But it's like, hey, listen,

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you're really good. I like you the interaction that we have.

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So it's like, I want to do a co something,

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Sure if you want, absolutely, so Okay, usually every Saturday

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we do we do a show or he records and uh,

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but no, it's it's only been for a few months now.

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Speaker 1: Oh cool, Okay, I may I may have heard of

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him elsewhere then I might have h I might have

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seen something of Eric, might even know him.

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: No, that's very cool, that's very cool. And and and

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then so when do the whe doer the new episodes

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come out? When should people look for him?

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Speaker 2: Is it two a week Sunday? It's it's just it's

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just one a week. Usually they drop on Sunday. Okay,

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he is. We're taking September off and then we're gonna

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ramp up afterwards, get ready for or after Survivor series,

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and then we'll go ahead and jump back into it.

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But I may I may do Survivor series on my

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end because I know, I think that what that's two

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nights now again.

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Speaker 3: The Survivor series two nights one night.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. I think they're all going to

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two nights. Crying out loud. That's what w W is

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all about right now, is that they're all about making money.

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And it's just really sad of how how downtry it

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is with the new ESPN deal going on. It's like, gee, whiz, guys.

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I mean, listen, you're already you're you're already firing up

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and everything. How about giving the fans a break?

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Speaker 3: Huh yeah, it is.

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Speaker 2: Uh, it's just crazy.

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Speaker 4: I am not buying ESPN. No, I am not buying it.

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They can pound stand.

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Speaker 3: I'm done. Well, I already have.

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Speaker 4: I got I got Netflix to watch raw, I got

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Peacock to watch pl E's I got. You know, I

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gotta go to empty different places to watch stuff to

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begin with. I'm done.

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Speaker 3: I'm not chasing them to ESPN.

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Speaker 2: Sand Well, so I heard that if you are subscribed

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to ESPN, do your linear cable subscription. I think you're covered. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: No, I don't do cable.

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Speaker 1: We cut the We cut the court a long time ago. Yeah,

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we don't have cable we cut the cord a long

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time ago.

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Speaker 2: Ridiculous costs.

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Speaker 3: It won't do it.

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Speaker 1: It's so expensive for But now, in terms of though,

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and this is a conversation that I had with Eric

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on Tough Bumps, the easy workaround is you just get

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a you know, you can get a VPN for like

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six bucks a month and connect to because the ples

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will still be available internationally on Netflix, just not in

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the US. So you just get a you just get

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a VPN. Netflix doesn't know where you're connecting from. You

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can have access to everything, I mean really or just or.

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Speaker 2: Just or just contact me after the show and I'll

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go ahead and give you information about you know, adding

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you on to my family subscription on YouTube tv O.

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Speaker 4: Well, I agree with what you were saying before, and

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now it just went out of my head.

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Speaker 3: Oh about it it being so expensive now to be

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a fan? Yeah, right, it's.

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Speaker 4: Really it really gives something back to the fans, hih.

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I mean we spent enough money buying, emptying different subscriptions

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to watch umpthing different things. And you know, but I

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agree with you one hundred percent. And I hate the

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direction they're going in. I don't like the way they're

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treating talent, especially truth.

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Speaker 2: I yeah, right, I think talent's being treated a lot

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better than they were with Vince. To be honest with you,

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there may be some one offs, yes, for for talent

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that I think. I think Truth was brought back based

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on fan pressure, which if you think about it, wouldn't

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have not affected Vince one bit, right, because the fans

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are calling out for names. Triple H is listening to

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the fans. So I think the talent is treated a

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lot better nowadays.

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Speaker 4: Well maybe a little bit in that regard. But to

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drop somebody with no notice, no nothing, just ah, yeah,

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we've been with us for decades, but goodbye, see it

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hour get out that that's the way that they've dropped people, uh,

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you know, is awful. They don't have discussions with them.

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They just wait till the end and then go oh

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yeah you're gone. And people have been with them, people

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their lives are invested. Yeah, that's how you treat people.

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Speaker 2: For Jenny, they they've they've they've done massive cuts before

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just to save They've done that way before. The Truth.

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It's just the fact of the matter that Truth is

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such such is so beloved. Yeah, he's such a he's

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basically I guarantee you when he retires he finally hangs

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up his boots, I guarantee you he's going to be

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in Bastad.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, he'll always have some sort of a connection

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of the company, I'm sure, Yeah, regardless, but not.

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Speaker 4: The only one though that they just drop like that.

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Well yeah, but been around forever and it's just you're gone.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I do think. I do think though, with with

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some people. I mean, if you reach a point where

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you don't think you can, you know, then.

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Speaker 3: Have a discussion with them.

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Speaker 4: Be honest, don't be like Cross.

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Speaker 1: Well, the Carrion Cross thing seems like a unique situation.

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Did you watch did you watch him? Excuse me, I'm

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losing my voice, Charles, did you watch? Jenny and I

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watched both the documentary, uh, the Killer Cross Part two

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slash My Contract Just Ended or whatever it's called. And

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we watched the Aeriel Helwani interview where Carrion Cross to

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me comes across no pun intended really well. And in

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the documentary both he and Scarlett come across really well,

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and it's it's easy to have a lot of sympathy

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for them. Did you watch either of those or both

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of those?

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Speaker 2: No? Unfortunately, I can't say I have. Yeah, but here's

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my take on Carrion's I'm gonna be honest with you,

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and this is just what I see. Either Creative has

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dropped the ball massively, yes, or Carrion just does not

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get over with the fans at all. I mean he

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number one. If you take a look at his erring work,

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I can see why the guy only wrestles one time

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a year. The guy is dangerous. You think that that match,

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that match is dammy Zaye. Literally I saw one or

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two inches where he could be paralyzed. The Yeah, it was.

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It was some scary stuff. Me, me and Joshua we're

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talking about that match, and it's like, yeah, he is unsafe.

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He is unsafe. It's it's not a good performance at all.

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His character is lackluster at best. I loved it when

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he was with AOP and had the the Final Testament.

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Speaker 3: Oh, the Final Testament.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that was where he That is where I think

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he should. He needs to be surrounded by talent. He

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cannot hold himself with his character. He cannot. So either

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can do well, or he just excuse my French sucks

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and he just needs to go.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I would.

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Speaker 1: I would definitely put it on creative because you know,

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just hearing the guy talk, even in see I've always

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I've seen with him over the years and whatnot. He's

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so articulate and so interesting. It's like, how do you

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not find something to do with this guy? And then

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in recent days when he did that that promo that

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was like a worked shoot where you know he did

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he did that that promo after WrestleMania where he was

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complaining about not being on the show and and he

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threw down the mic crophone and said that's killer cross

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and everything. And then people really got behind him after that,

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and apparently his merchandise sales through WWE dot com spiked massively,

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and his book, his new book that just came out,

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Life is Fighting, is doing very well. So there's clearly

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the fans want him, they want to get behind him.

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I put it all on creative. How do you not

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make money with this guy? And I've always felt that

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like they they did well with him in NXT when

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Triple H was running NXT, but then you know, they

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brought him up to the main roster. Vince was still

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in charge, so Vince immediately ruined him. They released him,

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they brought him back, and then they's like they can't

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figure out what to do with him, and it's like,

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how do you not find something for this guy to do?

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Speaker 3: You know, I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I put it on creative. Not every NXT champion or

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somebody that's rising up from NXT goes to the main

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roster and succeeds. It's just not that. And also there

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may be other works behind the scenes. There could be

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some back back uh uh, there could be some drama

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going on backstage. There could be some obviously creative differences,

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I'm sure backstage. But the thing is, though, just just

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seeing what I've seen on camera, it's very bland. It's

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it's it's not it's not entertaining for me at least.

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I mean again, it sounds like you and Jenny Field differently,

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but it's not entertaining for me. And and and I

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find his wrestling style is very dangerous.

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Speaker 3: I will say I don't think his ring work.

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Speaker 1: I've never noticed the dangerous aspect of that, but I

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would be curious, like Jenny said, you know, maybe we'll

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go back and watch that match. But I will say

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I've never found his ringwork to be particularly spectacular. Like

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I don't expect to hear this is awesome chant during

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a Carrion cross match.

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Speaker 2: No, but but again it's it's it's it's far but

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it's it's far from spectacularly. It's down it's downright bad.

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It really is. The I don't know because listen, when

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you take a look and you're inside that ring, you

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are dancing with your dance partner. I mean, yes, it's

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kind of sad to say because they're wearing tight, tight

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shorts and everything like that, and you know, it's just

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you just think about that. It's just like, Okay, you're

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dancing with a dude, all right, whatever, But they're dancing

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and your dance partner. Somebody has to lead, somebody has

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to Communication is always a spot Sammy Zain, whether it

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be with Jay Usso, whether it be with the Bloodline,

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whether it be with Kevin Owens. Sammy Zaine's beautiful. He

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twinkle toes around that ring like nobody ever great. I

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seemy carry and crossing and I'm almost ready to cry

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because there is no twinkle toes. Something's off and it's

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can't be Sammy, because I've seen Sammy Inner act with

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other wrestlers and he is just beautiful. It's great, it's artwork.

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It's not art, it's it's just it's maybe it's not dangerous,

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but it's just not good.

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Speaker 1: I do think they had a good match at SummerSlam.

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I thought it was I thought it was very good.

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I mean, I you know, I didn't have any complaints

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about it, certainly, but I think the I.

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Speaker 2: Think the drama and the interaction, the interference with scarlet

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with the bar, I like that. But there was a

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couple of bumps there where I was like, please get up, Sammy,

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please get up, Please don't do the referee, don't do

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the x uh. It's just it's there's there's some of

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the bumps that I just saw the like, I mean, okay,

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that didn't look that didn't look good.

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Speaker 1: I do have to acknowledge my favorite part of any

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carrying cross match has always been the entrance. I think

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the entrance is incredible. I think I think, I think

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that the whole thing is really good. But but he

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also said it is the.

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Speaker 2: Best part of carrying cross is the entrance. You're absolutely right.

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Speaker 1: He did say during the uh the Ariel hill Wana

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interview too, that they so you said you didn't watch it, correct,

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He said that, he said that it's it's really it's

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really good. But he said that they did make him

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an offer. It's not that they didn't make him an offer.

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They did make him an offer. But there were two

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things that there were a problem. One is he wanted

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to know how they arrived at that number. So I

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assume it was a low number because he again, there's

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been a just recently, there was a pretty big spike

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in his merchandise sales apparently, so they wanted to know

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how they arrived at number. At that number, he didn't

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say no, He just said, you know, let's continue the conversation.

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And the other sticking point was they did not offer

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her Scarlet anything. They offered him a new deal. They

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did not offer Scarlett a new deal. And he says

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that what they told him was that they would sign him,

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let's get your deal locked in, and then will we'll

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figure out Scarlet, which I can understand him being very

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concerned about that for two reasons. Number One, she's a

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huge part of the act. You know, it's hard to

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imagine him without her. But also I would be worried

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about Okay, so you want to sign me, You want

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me to hurry up and sign this deal and then

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we'll and then we'll deal with Scarlett afterward. I'm worried

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that there's not going to be a follow through there. Okay,

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I'm going to sign this deal that you, for some reason,

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are in such a hurry for me to go ahead

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and sign, because you're telling me, if I don't sign

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it in twenty four hours, you're rescinding the offer. No

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ongoing contract negotiations. Either sign this or you resined, and

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then I'm supposed to just trust you that then you're

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going to talk to Scarlet or we're going to sit

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down and negotiate something for Scarlet as well. That is

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that sounded pretty sketchy to me, So I don't blame

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him for saying no, agreed.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with that, because listen, what does my

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deal have to do with Scarlett? Scarlett has her own deal.

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How about we get Scarlett on board first, Yeah, and

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then talk to me. I think, honestly, it's a way

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to go ahead and break this apart, because number one,

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Scarlet's not a wrestler. She has not wrestled. She is

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a valet.

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Speaker 3: I think she hasn't she has.

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Speaker 2: Unfortunately, I think I.

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Speaker 3: Thought she had wrestled in the net to my recollection.

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Speaker 2: If she had a long time.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, probably been a long time. But I mean, I

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know she takes bumps and everything. I thought she had

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wrestled at one time. I'm looking it up now.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, she probably has trained before. Yeah, definitely look it up. Yeah,

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but she's probably trained before to go ahead and said bumps.

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But she's primarily a vala. And I don't think WWE,

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especially with them cracking down on salary and everything like that,

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I don't think they're gonna go ahead and pay a vala,

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which is weird. You're going ahead and bumping up to

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ESPN for thirty dollars a month. You're already telling people

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to pay for Netflix for raw and you're cutting salary.

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Really okay, I mean, I you know, I don't get it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm looking on Wikipedia.

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Speaker 3: It looks like I.

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Speaker 4: Get Peacock for the play.

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Speaker 2: And and and they're also bumping up because they said

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when they signed this deal with ESPN that their first

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p l E was going to be wrestle Mania next year.

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They're bumping it up to something called Russell Polluta yep

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in September yep, y she with.

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Speaker 4: I think their money. I think they're greedy as heck.

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They got that company's got so much money. Now then

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Nikol and Diamond, the artists who are contracted, they.

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Speaker 3: Don't get healthcare.

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Speaker 4: They got to pay their own healthcare everything else. Right,

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That's why I think people don't understand that sometimes too,

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because they think they're employees, right, They're non employees. They're

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independent contract They got to work around from the government basically,

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and it's stuck.

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Speaker 2: They yeah, they're I mean, obviously there's there's another wrestling

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promotion out there. If you don't make it a WWE,

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go over the w see what they can do. You

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got full creative control. You have another con and debt

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that didn't charge. So you go from Tony to Neck

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or Nick to Tony. I don't know. I forgot whose

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con is open. They're both cons.

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Speaker 3: Sorry I had to do it.

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Speaker 2: God, I can't go over to the aw there. You

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know they you know that they're they're thriving as well.

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I mean, look how awesome they are. I mean, look, look,

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I mean just just think about it. Chris Jericho went

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from w w E to a W possibly.

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Speaker 3: Back to w w E most likely.

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Speaker 2: I thought that, Come on, now, Tony Rhodes goes ahead

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and flicks off w w E when he goes to AW.

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Now it's back to w w E. What's going on?

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How come you can't keep their talent, talent that they

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take from w w E. Well, it's not working. Now,

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next thing you know, we're getting Dan Ambrose back, right.

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Is that what's gonna happen next?

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Speaker 4: Oh?

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Speaker 1: I hope, so, I hope. So that was something that

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Eric and I talked about too on Tough Bumps. By

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the way, if you're just joining us, we have Charles

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Richardson from the Charles Richardson Show on the line with us,

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and and uh oh, and of course the pot what's

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the name of the wrestling podcast? Is it the Josh

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Zodiac Show? Yes, the Josh Zodiac Podcast, the Josh Zodiac Podcast.

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Speaker 3: I want to make sure I get it right. When

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when when we did? Uh yeah?

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Speaker 1: This past Sunday on the newest edition of Tough Bumps,

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it was a history of ae W and Eric and

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I talked a lot about how the worst thing that

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happened to ae W was and Eric and I disagree

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on a lot of things, but on this I think

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we agreed is that when when Vince ended up having

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to permanently leave WWE because with Triple H in charge

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of creative because the whole reason that ae W was

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so successful in the beginning and to a large extent

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still is I mean, doing thirty thousand people in a

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stadium in Texas is pretty impressive.

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Speaker 3: But the reason they.

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Speaker 1: Were so successful initially was because they were offering an

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alternative to what had become very very stale, a very

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stale product under Vince. I was saying to Eric, you know,

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for years, I didn't even sit down. I wouldn't even

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sit down and sit through an episode of Raw or SmackDown.

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I would just go on YouTube and find find out

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whatever happened and just watch whatever clips looked interesting to me.

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And that was it. So I never fully disengaged from

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the product. But so, you know, so AW was filling

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that void, and then of course Triple H, who I

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wasn't surprised because I was watching NXT because when Triple

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H was in charge of NXT, NXC was phenomenal. And uh,

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you know, so when Triple h got to take over

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full creative on the full roster, on the main roster.

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You know, that was all of a sudden AEW. It's

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kind of like, don't really need it after all now

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that WWE is running on all cylinders again for the

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first time in a long time. But that's but I

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do think that AEW is a net positive for the business.

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I think that the business always thrives when you have

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competitive forces within it. The more promotions that are successful,

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the better, because a high tide raises all ships interests

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in wrestling. You know, it's it's so strong right now.

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Even TNA Jenny and I were watching a little bit

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of Slammiversary. They were that was their biggest North American

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crowd for Slamiversary, almost eight thousand people. I think their

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partnership with WWE helps drive that. But I do think

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AEW holds an important place in the market, and I

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think there I think it's a net positive that they're around.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's definitely going to be a net positive

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for AW no matter what, because it's an alternative and

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when you can go ahead and finally get your creative

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brains intact and actually bump heads literally sometimes and you

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go ahead and get Edge and Christian back together. That's

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going to generate some interest, like, hmmm, how does this

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Rated R superstar Adam Copeland going to do with Christian

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Cage now that they're reunited. Interesting storyline. It drove me

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interest in ae W because I want to see what

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these two are gonna go at. Right, And that was

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the first time I heard of Spike apparently with that

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bat just oh gruesome. Yeah, anyway, I don't like that.

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I'm like, I'm like, you know what, Let's see what happens.

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Let's see where they go from here, because they're taking

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a definite tag team, a formidable tag team, hall of

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Fame tag team, and they're bringing it to their forefront.

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Now let's see how they do.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I think, Uh so, we don't. We don't

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watch much a w uh. Basically, if there's a you know,

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if they have a big event or something, there's a

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website Toki video dot Com that posts, uh the individual

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matches from their pay per views, you know, usually a

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week or two after they happened.

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Speaker 3: But but yeah, I think I think, you know, are

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they not?

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Speaker 2: Are they not? Are they not stream on Max? They're

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they're paid per views? I know they're streaming like dynamite

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in Oh yeah, Max Max.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we have Max Max.

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Speaker 1: We've we've actually watched one of the shows on Max.

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We've never watched any of their p L E s

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on Max.

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Speaker 3: But I think you're right.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, with all the streaming services, it gets confusing. It's

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hard to keep up with it all.

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Speaker 3: I'm ready to dump some. But but part of part

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of why.

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Speaker 2: It's amazing Max, it's it's it's amazing. Mat the chord. Yeah,

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cut the cord, everybody, cut the streaming. You're spending more

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now on streaming than you did. I'm not.

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Speaker 4: I'm actually not spending more on streaming than I was

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paying the cable because it was ridiculously expensive.

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Speaker 2: A lot of people are, a lot of people are

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though cable.

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Speaker 3: Cable is far from dead, that's for sure. Yeah, I Uh.

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Speaker 1: Part of why we were having that conversation on Tough

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Bumps was Eric is. Eric is much more negative on

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ae W than I am. Like I said, I think,

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I think Uh, I think Cody Rhads his return to

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w WE UH would not have been nearly as important

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and as big a deal had it not been for

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ae W, even CM Punk. You know, I mean, it

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still would have been a big deal him returning to WWE,

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his surprise appearance at Survivor Series UH when he returned.

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But again, had it had it not been for his UH,

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00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:33,039
had it not been for ae W getting him back

471
00:24:33,039 --> 00:24:34,680
into the game first, I don't think it would have

472
00:24:34,759 --> 00:24:37,359
meant as much. You know, I think ae W. I

473
00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:40,839
think a W has directly benefited WWE in some ways.

474
00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:41,480
Speaker 3: I really do.

475
00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:48,319
Speaker 2: I agree, and then I disagree because Cody Rhoades developed

476
00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:51,759
himself in the Indies before AW even took place.

477
00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:53,880
Speaker 3: That was Eric sent.

478
00:24:54,839 --> 00:24:58,920
Speaker 2: That the American Nightmare persona theme song and everything was

479
00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:02,359
before a W. So he actually went ahead and created

480
00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:05,799
himself before then he was able to make a stage

481
00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:09,319
on AW. So I agreed to that point. I agreed

482
00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:12,519
to that point that Cody went ahead and turned some

483
00:25:12,559 --> 00:25:15,599
heads like, Wow, this guy can actually perform. You don't

484
00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:17,359
have to put him in a goofy gold out and

485
00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:21,359
called Stardust. That's great. See them punk on the other hand,

486
00:25:21,799 --> 00:25:24,440
see him punk. On the other hand, he had to

487
00:25:24,519 --> 00:25:28,400
try another promotion because of his experience with w W E,

488
00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:31,839
his negative experience with w W and at the time

489
00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:36,119
he went to AW vincents Stone charge anyway, So why

490
00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:38,319
would he go back to a toxic relationship with that,

491
00:25:39,079 --> 00:25:43,519
right And of course, if you haven't seen Unreal, we

492
00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:47,759
watched you to know that. Yeah, it's it's that. That's

493
00:25:47,799 --> 00:25:52,359
freaking great, it really is. But that right there not

494
00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:54,960
even unreal, just just a hole behind the scenes of

495
00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:57,799
how CM punk got back. It was the last minute deal.

496
00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:01,799
This thing wasn't like etchton Stone. Before Survivor series hit,

497
00:26:02,079 --> 00:26:04,359
nobody knew except three people, and.

498
00:26:04,319 --> 00:26:06,079
Speaker 3: One of them was Aja.

499
00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:08,960
Speaker 2: So he did he and he was hidden behind everything.

500
00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:12,880
He got into Gorilla Formation and like, wow, Sam Punk

501
00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:16,839
is here. Yep, yeah, it's just he literally signed that

502
00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:18,359
contract like ten minutes before.

503
00:26:18,599 --> 00:26:18,960
Speaker 3: Oh yeah.

504
00:26:19,039 --> 00:26:23,119
Speaker 2: So there was a coming to Jesus moment with Triple

505
00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:26,680
H saying, listen, we know we messed up. We know

506
00:26:26,839 --> 00:26:30,680
this hap happened. We know that happened. This is how

507
00:26:30,759 --> 00:26:33,519
it is now. We know there's a lot of wrongs

508
00:26:33,559 --> 00:26:35,720
that have been righted and and this is this is

509
00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:37,839
what we can offer you. And I think Sampunk came back,

510
00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:42,119
but I think he had to try another promotion to

511
00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:46,440
see what exactly what it's like outside of w WE.

512
00:26:46,799 --> 00:26:47,799
Before he came back.

513
00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:49,000
Speaker 3: Right right.

514
00:26:49,599 --> 00:26:52,079
Speaker 1: I also have a theory you know that you know

515
00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:55,759
that show that cmpunk showed up at, this was when

516
00:26:55,759 --> 00:26:57,759
he was on the outs with AW. He was still

517
00:26:57,799 --> 00:27:01,880
under contract, but he out with his with his injury.

518
00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:04,559
Poor guy, He's had a lot of injuries. But so

519
00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:07,400
he was he was away from the promotion and and

520
00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:09,319
of course it was an ongoing story that he was

521
00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:12,680
at odds with some of the people there and like

522
00:27:12,799 --> 00:27:15,799
Jack Perry, and his relationship with Tony Cohn was pretty strained.

523
00:27:15,839 --> 00:27:17,920
And then there was that WWE show that he showed

524
00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:20,240
up at just to say hi to some people backstage,

525
00:27:21,079 --> 00:27:24,599
and ye and and Vince got went and Vince got

526
00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:27,000
wind of it and kicked him out. And and by

527
00:27:27,039 --> 00:27:29,480
the way, Vin Vince I think was probably right to

528
00:27:29,519 --> 00:27:31,599
do that because Vince does not want to be sued

529
00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:34,599
for contract hampering, you know, because if he's aware of

530
00:27:34,599 --> 00:27:37,400
the situation, he knows, assuming he was aware, he knew

531
00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:40,319
that cm punk was still under contract with AEW but

532
00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:43,119
having problems. So it's not necessarily a great look that,

533
00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:46,119
you know, while still under contract with AW, cmpunk has

534
00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:47,079
just showing up at a show.

535
00:27:47,319 --> 00:27:49,839
Speaker 3: But that night, apparently.

536
00:27:49,519 --> 00:27:53,960
Speaker 1: Before before Vince gave word that, No, you got to

537
00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:55,559
get him out of here. We can't have him in

538
00:27:55,559 --> 00:27:58,480
the building. Kick him out. He did have a brief

539
00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:03,160
interaction with Triple A. I just wonder how that interaction

540
00:28:03,319 --> 00:28:06,960
went because I have this I have a theory. It's

541
00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:09,480
just a theory. I you know, can't base it on anything,

542
00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:12,400
But is it possible that part of that introduction Apparently

543
00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:14,559
it was very very brief, just kind of saying hello

544
00:28:14,599 --> 00:28:18,720
to each other. But I wonder if Punk said something like, uh,

545
00:28:19,759 --> 00:28:22,960
you know, to Triple H, hey, you know, someday, when

546
00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:25,000
I'm not under contract somewhere else, I might like to

547
00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:27,079
come back here, you know, just kind of throwing that

548
00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:29,880
out there in Triple H may have said something like, hey,

549
00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:32,640
you know, if you weren't under contract, we'd love to

550
00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:34,440
have you back. Who knows what the future, you know,

551
00:28:34,519 --> 00:28:38,240
just something, just a brief interaction like that, and they'll

552
00:28:38,279 --> 00:28:40,759
know and if that conversation did take place, they'll never

553
00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:44,079
admit it. But I just know, but I can't help.

554
00:28:44,119 --> 00:28:45,279
But wonder if it did.

555
00:28:45,559 --> 00:28:50,400
Speaker 2: You know, I have my own theory and it's it's

556
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:55,359
it's definitely not Rustling related. So my theory is damn

557
00:28:55,359 --> 00:28:58,400
Punk works up to triple h and it's like, hey,

558
00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:01,200
how are you and Stephanie doing? Yeah, yeah, we're doing great.

559
00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:04,000
I mean you're doing great. You won't get together and have.

560
00:29:04,039 --> 00:29:09,160
Speaker 3: A foursome, really that's your theory?

561
00:29:10,039 --> 00:29:16,039
Speaker 1: And yeah, so well, Charles, I mean you're definitely thinking

562
00:29:16,039 --> 00:29:18,920
outside the box, because I can honestly tell you with

563
00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:21,960
with all the sincerity, that never occurred to me.

564
00:29:24,839 --> 00:29:26,440
Speaker 2: I'm sure.

565
00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:35,039
Speaker 3: Yeah. So, uh, what do you watch any a W

566
00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:36,200
now or do you only watch.

567
00:29:36,119 --> 00:29:40,799
Speaker 2: W W E? It's it's mainly w W E. But

568
00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:43,640
you know, I kind of keep tabs on stuff with

569
00:29:43,759 --> 00:29:45,920
a W like I you know, I wouldn't have known

570
00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:48,680
about edging Christian. I knew they were feuding with with

571
00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:51,039
with each other. I think, yeah there was one time

572
00:29:51,119 --> 00:29:54,559
Christian hug Edge and told them you know, oh yeah yeah,

573
00:29:54,799 --> 00:30:00,079
and that's okay, wow, yeah. But you know, I I

574
00:30:00,519 --> 00:30:03,480
kind of keep tabs, like, you know, apparently they got

575
00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:06,599
something going now, which okay, maybe I might tune in

576
00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:10,079
to see what's going on if they're advertised and see

577
00:30:10,079 --> 00:30:12,680
what's doing, but I'm primarily WW.

578
00:30:13,119 --> 00:30:17,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll watch any Will Osprey match and he of course,

579
00:30:17,759 --> 00:30:19,519
you know an AEW and you know a big fan

580
00:30:19,559 --> 00:30:22,720
of MJF. Haven't kept up, haven't kept up with what

581
00:30:22,759 --> 00:30:25,279
they've been doing. But boy, there's so much. There's just

582
00:30:25,279 --> 00:30:28,400
so much content now, I mean, and WWE is pumping

583
00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:29,480
out more content than ever.

584
00:30:31,359 --> 00:30:35,000
Speaker 2: Is MJF like part of the Hurt syndicate now with

585
00:30:35,319 --> 00:30:37,519
lash Lee and the MVP.

586
00:30:37,799 --> 00:30:40,359
Speaker 1: From what I saw online, he was, but now he's out.

587
00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:43,200
They kicked him out or something, so I don't know,

588
00:30:43,319 --> 00:30:47,200
I haven't, but that's you know, it's hard though. See,

589
00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:49,440
that's the other thing with AEW. And this is something

590
00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:51,799
where I think Tony Kahn probably has something in common

591
00:30:51,839 --> 00:30:55,720
with Vince McMahon that wanting to have full control over

592
00:30:55,799 --> 00:30:58,880
creative to the point where you know nothing's being.

593
00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:00,319
Speaker 3: Delegated or if it is being well.

594
00:31:00,319 --> 00:31:02,759
Speaker 1: Obviously in WW, Evans was delegating because he had a

595
00:31:02,759 --> 00:31:04,759
full writing team, but then you know he'd end up

596
00:31:04,759 --> 00:31:07,519
tearing up the script and rewriting it himself anyway, And

597
00:31:07,559 --> 00:31:10,400
I think that you know, what AEW needs, what Tony

598
00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:12,799
Kahan needs is somebody or a team of people who

599
00:31:12,799 --> 00:31:15,680
can do what Triple H has done, recommit to long

600
00:31:15,799 --> 00:31:19,119
term logical storytelling where you can get really invested in

601
00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:21,759
these characters, because that's the most important thing. That's what

602
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:26,440
makes w WE, in my opinion, so successful. Now I've

603
00:31:26,599 --> 00:31:29,279
argued to Eric that to me, wrestling is better than

604
00:31:29,319 --> 00:31:33,240
it's ever been because there's more, there's more of a

605
00:31:33,279 --> 00:31:37,119
focus on long term storytelling. There's surprises, but everything is logical,

606
00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:40,119
but also character development. I can't remember ever, and I've

607
00:31:40,119 --> 00:31:41,680
been watching since I was a kid, I can't remember

608
00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:44,079
ever a time when there was as much character development

609
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:46,799
as we see now and a willingness to make these

610
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:50,319
characters complex and you know they've got levels to them.

611
00:31:50,359 --> 00:31:54,079
That's why now you'll see babyfaces fighting with other babyfaces

612
00:31:54,119 --> 00:31:56,920
that used to be never a thing, but now you

613
00:31:56,920 --> 00:31:58,960
know you can have that, or heels fighting with other

614
00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:02,319
heels because the audience has been conditioned to accept these

615
00:32:02,359 --> 00:32:04,960
are complex characters and not everything is black and white,

616
00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:08,599
and people who are you know, good guys can actually

617
00:32:08,599 --> 00:32:10,880
fight with other good guys, and bad guys can actually

618
00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:14,119
fight with other bad guys because you know sometimes in

619
00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:17,720
real life that happens, right, So I think ae w

620
00:32:18,039 --> 00:32:21,799
if Tony Kahn would just allow somebody who really has

621
00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:24,400
a good creative mind, who can do what Triple H

622
00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:28,559
has done, come into aew and recommit to long term storytelling.

623
00:32:28,799 --> 00:32:30,680
I think they'd be a lot more successful. And they're

624
00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:33,319
already pretty successful, let's be honest, but I think they'd

625
00:32:33,319 --> 00:32:34,440
be a lot more successful.

626
00:32:35,359 --> 00:32:37,039
Speaker 2: Yeah, they still have a long way to go. They're

627
00:32:37,039 --> 00:32:39,680
still in the baby, the d infant stages, maybe even

628
00:32:39,759 --> 00:32:44,799
the Toddless stages, but definitely, definitely. I do have a

629
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:46,759
couple of questions because I know we're running out of

630
00:32:46,799 --> 00:32:48,240
time here, so I want to I have a couple

631
00:32:48,279 --> 00:32:51,519
of questions. Number one, and please assume that I have

632
00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:55,200
not heard this on Tough Bumps. Okay, but tell me

633
00:32:55,559 --> 00:32:57,640
what was your reaction to Hogan's death?

634
00:32:58,559 --> 00:33:01,559
Speaker 1: So we tried on Tough Bumps, we tried to present

635
00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:06,119
kind of a measured, fair assessment. I mean, I can

636
00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:08,880
tell you my personal reaction. When I saw the news

637
00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:10,599
alert on my phone. I was kind of numb. It

638
00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:14,519
was like wow, you know because, on one hand, a

639
00:33:14,599 --> 00:33:17,960
huge part of my childhood and obviously Hogan a huge

640
00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:21,799
part of professional wrestling, something that I'm passionate about. So

641
00:33:23,599 --> 00:33:26,920
it was like, wow, it's kind of stunning, but it's

642
00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:30,079
also hard to get past because I don't think he

643
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:34,160
ever effectively dealt with it. You know, his racist comments

644
00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:37,480
that were recorded during that encounter with Bubba the love

645
00:33:37,559 --> 00:33:41,960
Sponges wife, which is still even weird to say, but

646
00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:48,480
you know, the just objectively extraordinarily racist, shockingly racist things

647
00:33:48,519 --> 00:33:51,839
that he said during that conversation that was recorded, which yeah,

648
00:33:51,839 --> 00:33:54,240
he did the whole apology tour and everything, but he

649
00:33:54,319 --> 00:33:58,559
never really dealt with the central His comments were very

650
00:33:58,599 --> 00:34:04,000
specific and he never dealt with specifically what he was

651
00:34:04,319 --> 00:34:09,199
wrestling with no pun intended when expressing himself during that conversation.

652
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:13,280
He never dealt with that specifically, at least not publicly,

653
00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:16,239
and a lot of people felt like his apologies were

654
00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:21,199
half hearted and insufficient, and he never fully recovered from that, obviously.

655
00:34:21,119 --> 00:34:23,280
Speaker 3: So we tried to so we tried to be very

656
00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:24,119
fair about it.

657
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:31,239
Speaker 2: And to be honest with you, he was apparently in

658
00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:35,559
his private life a very manipulative person. Because Brooke Hogan,

659
00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:40,320
his daughter, called in on Bubba and they haven't spoken

660
00:34:40,559 --> 00:34:44,440
in years because of the fallout between Hogan and Bubba. Yeah,

661
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:48,159
and Brooke even said that, hey, my dad told me

662
00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:51,239
about the tape and he knew you didn't have anything

663
00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:54,079
to do with it. Even though Bubba lost his home,

664
00:34:54,559 --> 00:34:58,360
he got fired everything that laid down. Hogan never came

665
00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:02,599
to his defense, even though he admitted to Brook that, yeah,

666
00:35:02,599 --> 00:35:04,480
I know, Bubba had nothing to do with it, right,

667
00:35:05,199 --> 00:35:11,000
So just on that alone, I think he was not

668
00:35:11,119 --> 00:35:13,360
a good human being. Let's put it that way. Now.

669
00:35:13,519 --> 00:35:15,719
Is that Is that justified to say, like, well, thank

670
00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:17,800
god he's dead. No, of course not. I mean I

671
00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:21,679
think the way he there's actually a criminal investigation going

672
00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:24,320
on the that he may have been murdered.

673
00:35:24,599 --> 00:35:26,039
Speaker 3: Jenny and I were talking about that earlier.

674
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:30,880
Speaker 1: Not murdered, there may have been medical malpractice, medical malpractice.

675
00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:35,639
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, okay, okay, yeah, question during a surgery.

676
00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:40,320
Speaker 4: He had a surgery apparently recently, and there's question as

677
00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:43,440
to whether or not his frontic nerve was damaged or

678
00:35:43,559 --> 00:35:46,800
severed and restitched or something. And he also had a

679
00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:49,800
feb so I guess the combo wasn't too good and

680
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:52,599
they think that might have actually been what caused his death,

681
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:55,159
in which case it would be a medical practice.

682
00:35:56,760 --> 00:36:02,400
Speaker 2: Okay, I know that there was a police investigation going on.

683
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:03,400
I think it's still going on.

684
00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:08,159
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it's still going on. It's still going on. Yeah, Yeah,

685
00:36:08,599 --> 00:36:11,159
could be wrongful death, who knows.

686
00:36:12,679 --> 00:36:16,840
Speaker 2: Another question Matt, how do you feel of Sina's so

687
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:21,719
called heel turn, oh versus face turn? It was that

688
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:24,280
a flop? Or is that you think was successful?

689
00:36:24,719 --> 00:36:27,920
Speaker 1: I so, I'm I'm I know, I'm very much in

690
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:32,039
the minority when I say this. I loved, first of all,

691
00:36:32,079 --> 00:36:34,599
the heel turn itself was amazing, and I think most

692
00:36:34,639 --> 00:36:36,880
people would agree on that. The actual heel turn itself

693
00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:41,440
was fantastic. It was so so, so well done. The

694
00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:45,320
subsequent him as a heel, the heel version of John Cena. Again,

695
00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:48,360
I know, I'm in the minority. I was really enjoying it.

696
00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:51,519
I understand why people didn't like that he I think

697
00:36:51,559 --> 00:36:53,440
people a lot of people wanted him to be more

698
00:36:53,559 --> 00:36:58,440
overtly evil and whatnot, where he actually underplayed it. But

699
00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:01,119
I liked it. I thought it was cool. I thought

700
00:37:01,119 --> 00:37:04,079
it was very intriguing. I really enjoyed it, and I

701
00:37:04,119 --> 00:37:06,320
thought the face turned back seemed a little rushed.

702
00:37:06,639 --> 00:37:07,480
Speaker 2: What were you gonna.

703
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:10,599
Speaker 3: Say wrestling thing? Oh? Yeah, that was so funny. Yeah,

704
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when he's like, I'm going to ruin wrestling.

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Speaker 2: I loved that.

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Speaker 3: I loved that too.

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Speaker 1: I thought it was cool. I really enjoyed heel John Cena.

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What did you think.

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Speaker 2: I I enjoyed it. I really enjoyed his promos, but

710
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it started to get a little repetitive, like he didn't

711
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have anything new coming out. It's just kept saying the

712
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same thing over and over again.

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Speaker 3: It's just that is true.

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Speaker 2: It kind of got repetitive. So I think when Cody

715
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finally because you're right, it did feel rushed a little bit,

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but you saw bits and pieces of good scene it

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coming out the past few weeks before that, and I

718
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think I think they were trying to lead up to it,

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but obviously they wanted to take the belt off him

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and put on Cody. So, uh, mister Lesnar can go

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ahead and a big introduction.

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah, what do you think about that one

723
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coming back?

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Speaker 3: What do you think about Lesner coming back?

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Speaker 2: I love it? You love it? I know, I know.

726
00:38:10,079 --> 00:38:13,800
It was basically it was basically John's wish to go

727
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ahead and wrestle Leslo. That's why he's back. It's it

728
00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:18,840
has nothing to do with well, he's gonna draw big

729
00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:21,719
money and no, no, he'll he'll draw big money. But

730
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that was a request from Sina. Sina wants to get

731
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all of his his adversaries. Yes, it was reported Sina

732
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requested Lesna. Yeah, so he wants to fight Leslo one more. Yeah.

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So this retirement tour is basically to get all If

734
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you ever seen Rocky five, where it's like, listen, I

735
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gotta get the beast out of me. I I can't

736
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hold on. He's trying to get the beast out of

737
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literally in this case, he's trying to get the beast.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but yeah, he's going to take care of everybody

740
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that he needs one more time.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Oh yeah, yeah, no that makes sense.

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Speaker 2: Which I don't agree. I don't. I don't agree with

743
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Logan Paul. Why would he be on that list? I

744
00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:03,920
don't understand that that storyline one one bit.

745
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Speaker 1: Yeah, Charles, we are approaching the top of the hour,

746
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so we got to begin to wrap up. The time

747
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goes so quickly. But we should definitely do this more often,

748
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my friend, because I always enjoy having you on and

749
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you know, and anytime you want me to be on

750
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your show, I'd love to do that as well. But

751
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I do want to make sure, so where should people

752
00:39:23,159 --> 00:39:25,719
go to find not only your show but also the

753
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:27,800
show that you do with Josh Zodiac. I want to

754
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make sure everyone knows where to go to find your content.

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00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:36,920
Speaker 2: So my show search the Charles Richardson Show on Facebook

756
00:39:37,039 --> 00:39:40,760
like my page. All my shows go live on that

757
00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:45,360
on that page from eight to ten pm Monday Wednesday.

758
00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:50,440
Hopefully both and any interaction or possible topics I may

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be talking about will be listed there as well. I

760
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used as my reference set Okay YouTube same thing search

761
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search the Charles Richardson Show. I have a channel with

762
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so many subscribers, kidding, but so many subscribers that you

763
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can go ahead and do. It's free for now, but

764
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after that it's gonna be twenty nine ninety five. I'm

765
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watching my own app with competing against the ESPN the

766
00:40:15,199 --> 00:40:19,360
Josh Zodiac podcast. Same thing, Josh Zodiac podcast on all

767
00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:23,079
social media. He is available on podcast on the podcast

768
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on iHeartRadio, Apple podcasts, anywhere podcasts are done. You can

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search that right there and boom it pops up.

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Speaker 1: Fantastic, fantastic, Well, Charles, thank you so much, my friend.

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Like I said, we must do this more often, and

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I really appreciate you. Appreciate you joining us today, and

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we'll talk again soon, I'm sure,