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Speaker 3: My guest today grew up Mormon, got out at nineteen,
put herself through college, working at a law firm, and
earned a degree in mathematics, all while graduating with high
honors and building an OnlyFans career that landed her in
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who you may know is Kit the Beefcake, is exactly
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Speaker 1: What she should be doing with her life.
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Speaker 1: Please welcome Kit Barrass to Holly Randall and Filtered a.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for having me. I'm so excited
to be here.
Speaker 3: You're so welcome. Yeah, Like I was saying, I've been
following you for a while, and I love your content,
and you just come across as a really intelligent person
and I like smart people.
Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, I love your content. I've been following
the podcast. I think it's amazing. Oh my god, we've.
Speaker 1: Been like following each other.
Speaker 3: Now here we are to be. So let's let's start
from the beginning. So you grew up in a Mormon family.
How did you end up sitting on this couch today?
Speaker 2: Oh my god, roller coaster.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So I grew up Mormon.
Speaker 4: My family's actually Mormon all the way back to bring
them young walking across into Utah. Really yeah, so my grandparents,
my great grandparents, all the way back. That was just
a very hectic upbringing for me. I've always felt very
free spirited. I've always felt like very exploratory, very curious
about boys, like all that kind of stuff. So Mormonism
just kind of always felt like this encroaching sort of
prison for me. But my parents forced me to go
until I was nineteen and I moved out of the house.
Speaker 1: So once you like were an adult, you were like, Okay,
I'm done.
Speaker 4: Yeah. I really wanted to leave the whole time, and
it was a big fight between me and my parents
at all times. By the time I left their home,
they were making me go to this thing called Single
Adults Ward. I used to call it marriage Roulette, which
my parents really didn't like because you go and it's
just a whole congregation of people like eighteen to twenty
two who aren't married yet, and the goal is to
get you married as quickly as possible. So I'd go in,
I'd sit down in a pew and some weird Mormon
dude would like sit next to me and try to
shoot a shot during.
Speaker 2: Mass, and like I was like, girl, get out of here.
Speaker 4: That's the first time I buzzed my hair off, was
to get them to stop talking to Oh.
Speaker 1: My god, how how did your parents take that?
Speaker 2: Oh my god?
Speaker 4: My dad took my car keys and he was like,
you're not a boy, and it was all I was like,
I'm not trying to be a boy, and trying to
get these boys to stop hitting on me.
Speaker 2: But he was.
Speaker 4: I think he was upset because he really wanted me
to like marry someone in the church. He kind of
thought that would fix me and get me to be
a lot more on board if I found a man
who was like super into it. Yeah, so I think
he was kind of bored disappointed from that standpoint.
Speaker 3: Yeah, what was it about Mormonism that really didn't align
with you?
Speaker 4: They really view a woman's role on the planet as
having as many children as possible, So you're not really
encouraged necessarily to get an education, to.
Speaker 2: Work on things in your own life.
Speaker 4: Your goal is literally to become a woman who is
worthy of a husband, who serves God, and to have
as many children as possible and then to love and
nurture them.
Speaker 2: That's your whole.
Speaker 4: Job assignment for your eighty ninety years on planet Earth.
Speaker 2: It just really was unsettling to me.
Speaker 4: I always had really good grades, I was always really smart,
really passionate about education, loved reading, just loved any information
I could get my hands on for the most part.
Speaker 2: So it was troubling to me that.
Speaker 4: I wouldn't be expected of anything else because from my standpoint,
I was kind of like, well, if your God is real,
and your God gave me this brain, why would he
then tell me to throw it in the dumpster and
just raise kids? You know?
Speaker 2: Felt demeaning for me.
Speaker 3: It's like, the problem is twofold number one, that you
assume that every woman's purpose on this.
Speaker 1: Planet is to have children, which is not true.
Speaker 3: I know a lot of amazing women that are good
friends of mine that don't want to have children. I
fully respect that as a massive commitment. And then also
that the suggestion that you can't be a mom and
a career woman at the same time, which is I
think also unfair.
Speaker 4: It's difficult for a Mormon woman to do both because again,
the expectation is as many as possible. So most Mormon
women get married at twenty twenty one and then they
start having kids immediately. So I briefly went to high
school in Idaho, where there's a lot more Mormon people.
It was really really common for my friends at church
to have six or seven brothers and sisters. My dad
is from a family of seven kids, so I think
it's hard when you have seven or eight kids to
have both parents and the family working. Yeah, and so
the expectation is that the woman just doesn't work.
Speaker 2: And I do think motherhood's beautiful and like such a.
Speaker 4: Cool path to choose, but it's sort of meaningless if
you don't get the choice.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree, because there's a lot of women that
just want to be you know, mothers and housewives and
there's nothing wrong with that. My brother in law is
like a stay at home dad, and my sister works,
you know, and like that that works out great for them.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 4: I have an uncle and an aunt who are that way.
So he stays home and she goes to work and
they're very happy. But she left the church.
Speaker 1: So how many siblings do you have? I have too?
Speaker 4: Okay, Yeah, so my mom actually wanted to have way more,
but with my little brother, the youngest, she got diabetes
while she was pregnant, and so they told her that
she actually couldn't have any more kids unless she was
okay with like her and the child being diabetic for
the rest of their lives.
Speaker 1: And this is if she had a kid again.
Speaker 2: This is if she had a kid again.
Speaker 4: She and my brother got lucky because there was some
chance I think that they could have both been died
after the pregnancy. But they're both fine, perfectly healthy. I'll
get to go. But yeah, they told her it would
be a pretty severe health complication for her to have
more kids.
Speaker 1: I haven't had my gestational diabetes test yet.
Speaker 3: Oh no, I'm like, well, and I never ever thought
that would be a problem. Like with my first daughter,
I didn't have it, but I know so many people
for some reason, I know a lot of people right now.
Speaker 1: Who who have it or had it.
Speaker 3: Really and then my doctor like yelled at me and
told me I've gained too much weight already and I'm
at higher risk for gestational diabetes because I'm so fucking old.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but that's like, you're right when you're pregnant to
gain some weight, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: Why would I be pregnant if I can't eat whatever
I want.
Speaker 1: While I'm pregnant. Kidding, And I like eat well for
the most part.
Speaker 3: But I also, you know, like I feel like I
can have an extra plate of grapes and cheese at night.
Speaker 2: Grapes and cheese.
Speaker 3: I love grapes and cheese. It's like my favorite snack.
That's so good. So how did you end up in
the adult industry? So you went to college, so you
left the church and then went to college.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I left the church. I was going to school.
Speaker 4: I was working in nine to five at a law firm,
just doing like admin stuff, and then I would go
to school at seven in the morning and at like
six thirty at night, so I'd have a class before work,
go work eight hours, and then have a class after work,
and I'd get home around like ten pm most nights.
But I was paying my own rent and I had
no debt at that point, Like I was managing to
pay for my college.
Speaker 2: I was going to like a community college.
Speaker 3: Did your parents not want to support you because you
left the church or they just weren't able to.
Speaker 4: It's like a combination of those things. I think my
dad was always I'm the oldest, so he really pushed
me to be very, very independent. I received very little
financial assistance from them. I got my first job when
I was fifteen. I had to like get California to
sign all these work permits and stuff and like bring
them into school, and it was a whole thing. So
I could go work for a little like sporting goods
store that was local to.
Speaker 3: It's kind of interesting that he encouraged you to be independent,
yet he also wanted you to get married and become
dependent on a man.
Speaker 2: My dad is a.
Speaker 4: Very interesting man because I owe a lot of who
I am to him, Like he has. Really he's made
me this very independent, very financially savvy, very intelligent person.
Speaker 2: He's taught me to work on cars.
Speaker 4: I did all my car work by myself before I
started making money, so he like taught me all these things. Right,
But then there's this weird expectation that I was supposed
to like marry a guy and choose this life. But
I don't know he's I think he's very complicated. I
don't I don't know that I'll ever really completely sort
that out.
Speaker 2: I don't know that he's really sorted out a lot
of that.
Speaker 4: But I am very grateful to my dad for everything,
because I wouldn't have the skills that I have. I
wouldn't be the person that I am without him. It
was maybe because I was the firstborn and he really
wanted a boy. I don't know, but he used to
like take me to boy Scouts, which was very frowned
upon when I was a kid. Oh really, Yeah, So
like when I was little, can you go to boy
Scouts as a girl? Now you can? But when I
was a kid, No, absolutely not.
Speaker 1: Why do they have Girl Scouts then? I don't know.
I was never allowed to join Girl Scouts because I'd
ride horses.
Speaker 2: That sounds way better than Girl Scouts.
Speaker 1: I didn't want.
Speaker 4: Girl Scouts and Boy Scouts teach like different things for
the most part. Like boys, it's very like outdoorsy. It's
very like they'll teach you like not and first daid
and like all that stuff. I think that Girl Scouts
is very entrepreneur focused.
Speaker 2: From what I've heard.
Speaker 4: You sell cookies, yeah, but like they're teaching you kind
of like entrepreneurial and those kinds of skills. But Mormons
are up until Boy Scouts start allowing women, Mormons and
Boy Scouts were like partnered, so ninety percent of the
members of Boy Scouts were Mormons, and a lot of
their meetings were held in Mormon churches. They started allowing women,
they split off and the church decided to create their
own program and they were like, we're not going to
associate with you anymore.
Speaker 2: We don't want women in this program.
Speaker 4: Interesting, so it was very crazy that my dad was
bringing me because the Mormon Church obviously doesn't condone women
being involved in boy Scouts.
Speaker 1: Was he like a leader?
Speaker 3: He was the sense that he was able to kind
of yeah, incorporate you.
Speaker 4: But he would take me on the camping trips and
like just my dad and I would share a tent
and I would play double O seven with the boys
and like run around like crazy. He taught me how
to build fires, and he'd be like, can't show them
how to build a fire. Don't let these boys show
you how to do anything. Like it was like he
was like very empowering as a father. But I think
he was raised in this church and so he doesn't
know any other way to be happy, and so he
just wants me to be happy. And this is what
he knows is a good formula.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: So it's like, is he's an interesting guy?
Speaker 4: I don't.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's interesting. Okay, So you're going to college
and what happens then?
Speaker 2: I'm going to college.
Speaker 4: I transfer to a four year university from my community college.
I'm working on a psychology degree. Just after COVID, I
decided that I was really sick and tired of these
like twelve to fourteen hour days. So I saved up
a whole bunch of money. I bought a really little condo,
and I saved up enough that I was like, Okay,
I have enough money that I can kind of live
off of savings and take a little bit of a
student loan so that I can do one semester on
campus and like experience what it's really like to be
a university student and to kind of be a kid.
Since I didn't really get that, I started personal training
part time just to like help make ends meet a
little bit nicer. So I'd wake up at four in
the morning and I'd go do a couple training sessions
and then i'd go to my classes. I joined the
sailing team at my college, and I made all these
friends and it was going amazing, and I was like,
I really just like don't want this to end. I
can't believe I only got one semester of this, Like
it's the still like one of the best things I've
ever experienced. And I was kind of talking to like
my really small TikTok following that I was using to
promote my personal training and I was all live and
they were like, well, you should start OnlyFans.
Speaker 2: I was like, well, I'm down.
Speaker 4: At the time, I was doing psychology and i'd written
a couple of papers on human sexuality. Like I was
very involved in human sexuality, very interested in it. So
I was I kind of thought to myself, well, from
an at least an academic standpoint.
Speaker 2: I feel like I could do this.
Speaker 4: I was like, well, but I don't want to do this,
and it costs me the ability to go get my
PhD or whatever. So if I do this, like you
guys have to show up, that's the deal. And so
I spent maybe a month or so kind of talking
to my TikTok followers and posting on Twitter and like
all this stuff, just kind of hyping it up. And
then when I finally opened it up, I made tenth
dollars my first month, Wow, which was insane. I had
thirty thousand TikTok followers, nothing else after COVID, Like it's
already saturated, small following.
Speaker 2: I couldn't believe it.
Speaker 1: So what kind of content were you doing at that stage?
Did you start off.
Speaker 2: Like very familiar? Yeah, it was really really like just solo,
just solo, completely solo.
Speaker 4: I was like, I'm gonna post pictures every single day,
So I would post little carousels of like two to
five pictures every single day, and I would take them
every single day. So it was just very amateur, like
this is where I am a lot of the times.
It was like on campus in the bathroom, like just
very here it is, you know. But they loved it.
They like really believed in me. They thought this was
something I would be really good at. And they, I
guess they were right, like good call guys. But I
I had a bunch of friends who were engineers from
the sailing team, and they kept kind of making fun
of me for being a psych matrix. It's not technically STEM,
it's humanities degree. And they're like, well, you're you're dumb
because you just do psychology. And I was like, well,
what's the hardest major you can think of? And they
were like, well, maybe math, And I was like, okay,
I'll do that.
Speaker 2: Then.
Speaker 4: So I had to like submit an application to not
graduate because I've already applied to graduate, and then I
applied for the second major.
Speaker 1: And how was that.
Speaker 4: I got a three point eight five GPA. So I
think I did pretty well.
Speaker 1: Hate math, I hate it.
Speaker 2: I was pretty good at it. I really liked it.
Speaker 1: Actually, Yeah, I was an English major, so like that is.
Speaker 2: My grandfather was an English professor at Pepperdine.
Speaker 1: Oh amazing, Yeah that's great.
Speaker 3: My dad was actually an English teacher too, back in
the time way so kind of run. Yeah, but I
but I hated math, loved it because usually like you're like,
my brother's a math person. Yeah, like he's com computer
science major and like all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 2: Computer science is like a whole different yes.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I was always like an English person. It
sounds to me like you were like good at both.
Speaker 2: Yeah, probably good. I like both. I don't know.
Speaker 4: I just like learning new things. I've really bad ADHD.
So yeah, I like changing lights every once in a while.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's amazing. Okay, So and you were doing statistics.
Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, so I graduated with a degree in mathematics
with an emphasis in statistics.
Speaker 3: Were you like, okay, so you've graduated. Were you thinking, okay,
I'm gonna segue into something else associated with my major,
or by then were you full fledged only Fans creator?
Speaker 2: By then?
Speaker 4: I was a pretty full fledged OnlyFans creator. When I
graduated a year and a half ago, I said, okay,
I'm gonna give myself basically like a gap year to
see what I can do with this because I've up
until now, I've only done it part time. Now I
guess I'm like, really, I'm really locked in, like I
make too much money.
Speaker 2: Now I guess to do something else.
Speaker 4: But I love that this option is there where if
Only Fans gets banned for whatever reason or something happens
like I have everything I need to go get my PhD.
Speaker 3: And do you feel like being like an OnlyFans creator
would prevent you in any way from achieving those other dreams.
Speaker 2: I actually don't think so.
Speaker 4: I think academia is like very rare because they really
appreciate different perspectives.
Speaker 3: It's interesting. I just had Stella Barry on two episodes ago.
I don't know if you know she is. She started
hitting me, yeah yeah, and she also is like very intelligent,
college educated, and she said the exact same thing about academia.
Speaker 4: Yeah, academia, it's it's got its issues, but they're very inclusive.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So I don't think it would be an issue.
Speaker 1: Right, But I'm sure you thought about that.
Speaker 4: I think that being a sex worker is a bigger
issue if you're not successful.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think that's like the unfortunate truth of it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because then you don't have the financial freedom to
be able to Yeah, and it's like you you put
the stamp the scar letter on your forehead without like
the financial rewards to make it worth it.
Speaker 2: I agree.
Speaker 4: I also think that when you demonstrate that you're really
good at something and you succeed, you get like a
minus twenty percent stigma, you know what I mean, Like
there's always going to be people who are like but
you know, I see it a lot like in dating,
Like when girls are like newer to only fans, not
making as much money on OnlyFans, new to sex work,
they have a really hard time dating, Like people don't
want to put up with the stigma, Like it's like
it's too much for most people.
Speaker 2: But the second you.
Speaker 4: Go, oh, I have an only fans and I make
hundreds of thousand dollars a month, Oh, now you're dating
pools massive.
Speaker 1: So what's that about? Do you find dating to be hard?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, what's the biggest like roadblock? You come across?
Speaker 4: Guys kind of like fall into a few bins with me.
So there's the guys who are super excited that I
have an OnlyFans, almost too excited that I have an
only kids, and it feels kind of like fetishi, which
is a weird point to start out on with somebody
that you're trying to go on like a first date with.
Speaker 2: And then there's the guys who obviously just hate your
guts right out the gate.
Speaker 4: Uh. It's very hard to find men who have true
ambivalence about it, which I think is what is required
to like really have a relationship with somebody.
Speaker 2: Is they don't.
Speaker 4: They're not glorifying you, but they're also not hating you.
They're like, oh, it's a job, you know.
Speaker 2: What I mean.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know.
Speaker 3: My husband's like that exactly, exactly, Yeah, he doesn't really.
It's funny because I won't send him pictures of myself
usually because I'm like embarrassed.
Speaker 1: So he used to.
Speaker 3: There was like a Holly Randall fab subreddit and he
gets on there.
Speaker 2: Wife.
Speaker 1: That's so funny because I feel stupid setting them too.
Speaker 4: I used to have a boyfriend who would go through
my computer and I knew he was doing it, like
he's your open that he was doing it, but I
wouldn't send him the pictures or videos dumb, So he
just go through my computer when I was at home
and find something and I was like, great, I'm glad
you're enjoying the continent.
Speaker 1: Like as God has to search for porn on me, he.
Speaker 2: Has to find your leaks. Where are they?
Speaker 1: I know exactly, it's like try by.
Speaker 3: My wife's like OnlyFans leaks because she won't send me
any fos.
Speaker 4: They were asking how many types in because sometimes they
like hide the leaks, like in some like obscure descriptions
that you can't find them and take them down.
Speaker 3: Speaking of a leak, So I was with Scheri de
Ville and we were talking about OnlyFans leaks because I
have like a DMCA service that like takes stuff down,
but like there's still stuff out there. And she was
telling me, she's like, oh, it's so easy to find
your leaks, Like, let me show you how easy it is.
And she googles me and there's this. And I probably
shouldn't say this because now everyone's gonna go look for
it and post it everywhere. But whatever, maybe I'll cut
this out afterwards. I don't know, I'll decide. She finds
this huge like I don't think it was a subreddit.
I think it was on a form huge community that
has all these pictures of me with they take my
face and they photoshop it on like these with a
massive dick.
Speaker 1: They've given me, like a huge dick.
Speaker 2: That's kind of awesome. That's kind of sick.
Speaker 1: Okay, So you know what, I'm only offended.
Speaker 3: By the ones where like I have fats. I was
just like some of them because it's again, it's not
my body. Most of the time they take someone else's body.
Speaker 2: They just put your head on it.
Speaker 1: They just put my head on it. It's pretty badly done.
Speaker 3: And there's like a couple and I'm like, I'm kind
of like pudgy and I've got like a like a
pouch and like her fu. But and I'm like, hey, man,
if you're gonna put a dick on me, give me
a good fucking body.
Speaker 2: Like there's one crazy stuff.
Speaker 4: I once found a picture of me that someone had
photoshopped to make me look like a bed where my
head is the footboard and.
Speaker 1: My ass is bad.
Speaker 4: I was like, who thinks some of this you should
make that bed? I was like, girl, I don't know
what this is. Like I know, to all my friends
it was like I've made it. I like, I'm so famous.
Someone photoshopped me into.
Speaker 1: A bed like that is wild man.
Speaker 3: I mean this was like a very It was just
so funny. We did not expect to find that. And
I'm just there was so many there was.
Speaker 4: So many way Oh my god, I just couldn't believe that.
Speaker 3: I was just like, wow, like, where are these Someone's
really into this?
Speaker 1: At least it My dick looked nice. It's a nice dick.
Speaker 2: I love how off track we've gone immediately.
Speaker 1: This is great. Oh my god. Boy.
Speaker 3: Okay, so you are now in the top point, right, Yeah,
that is very hard to achieve.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I don't know.
Speaker 3: If people like even realize like how much money that is.
But it's a lot, won't You can say numbers if
you want, but I won't. I won't blow your cover
if you're trying to keep it. No, I'm usually really
open about numbers.
Speaker 4: That's what I know, because I think it's better for everyone, yeah,
to be open.
Speaker 1: So, how much does someone in the top one percent make.
Speaker 4: Anywhere above like two hundred and ninety three hundred thousand
a month?
Speaker 3: And how do you think that you've been able to
like achieve that level, because that is that is the
level that most creators won't.
Speaker 2: Hit honestly, I don't really know.
Speaker 4: Louck question Mark, Like, I don't think anybody looks like me,
which is helpful.
Speaker 2: I exist as a niche, which is helpful.
Speaker 1: What would you say your niches.
Speaker 2: Here? I am like, I me, I'm the nieche whatever
this is Like, yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 4: It's funny too, because when I cut my hair off,
I was like, boys aren't gonna like me anymore. It's
gonna be so much harder to But I just hated
the long I hated it. Now Here I am, and
I'm like, well, what a good thing to be wrong about?
Speaker 2: Hey?
Speaker 1: Yeah, right? So what kind of content do you do?
Speaker 2: Still?
Speaker 4: Like very kind of vanilla ish. I film a lot
of girl girl content, a lot of like strap content.
I do a lot of like sexting, Like a lot
of like sexting sets that are kind of fun, Like
I just filmed a little sexting set where I'm a
I don't know if you've seen the show Invincible, but
I'm a Vulturemite is comic book shit, you know.
Speaker 1: But okay, So do you do a lot of cosplay?
Speaker 4: No, I just know I don't, but like once in
a while, I will, but I'll just make these like
fun little sexting sets of wherever I am or whatever's
on my brain. Sometimes I'm just like hiking and I'm like, oh,
what if I'd go on this tiny little trail and
make a sexting set over here and something like that.
So that's really fun. I do shoot some boy girl.
I have like a stunt d that I shoot with
and stuff, a stuntic, a stuntick. Yeah, I got a stuntick.
Speaker 1: So just like a friend with benefits.
Speaker 4: It's a friend with benefits. I know him from my
sailing days. So we've been friends for like several several
years and he's been helping me out with content for
a long time. Wow.
Speaker 1: Does he have his own only fans or just shoots
for you?
Speaker 2: Just shoots for me?
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: So he gets paid like per video and he's pretty
happy with that. And he's working his way through a
master's degree and stuff. So it's kind of like a
good mutually beneficial scenario.
Speaker 1: Right right, Oh my god, that's awesome. Yeah. So how
long did it take you to get to the point,
oh one percent?
Speaker 2: After I graduated.
Speaker 4: It took me a about nine ten months. It's not
that long, no, Yeah, I really locked in on that one.
I was like I want this, like I want to
do it. So I got a pr team and like
I just started making tons and tons and tons of
Instagram reels like I used to post like once ish
a day on TikTok only because that's really all I
had time for when I was doing my and that
was enough.
Speaker 2: Like that that got me plenty of money.
Speaker 4: But since I've been able to lock in and do
a lot more on social media, the growth has been
much much quicker.
Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, So I want to circle back to
saying I actually kind of mentioned the beginning of this
podcast and something that is like a big deal now
for creators and social media crackdowns on OnlyFans promotion. It's
getting more and more aggressive. Has that affected your strategy
at all? And do you have any plans to adapt.
Speaker 4: Or it hasn't really affected my strategy because I make
such PG content outside of OnlyFans, Like I do a
lot of like skits or talking content where I'm talking
about the industry. So I don't really make a lot
of like thirst traps because I'm just not very good
at them. So it's it's been okay for me, Like
I've never really had flags on my account. I've never
been super worried about it. I do try to get
ahead of things. So, like recently, I think link and
bios are a big.
Speaker 1: Flag right now.
Speaker 4: So it's like, okay, we'll just take it out, move
it to the highlight like everybody else.
Speaker 1: Oh is that what people are doing?
Speaker 4: Yeah? People are taking the link in bio and just
putting it in a story highlight.
Speaker 1: Oh.
Speaker 3: Interesting, because that what I did was I got a
second link in bio and that first layer is all
safe for work, okay, and then there's a link in
there that goes to my link in bio.
Speaker 2: I think that's also a double layer.
Speaker 4: Yeah. I think you just want to be careful that
it's not opening in the Instagram browser, right yeah, because
then they can they have access to.
Speaker 2: All that data.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, you have to have what are called deep.
Speaker 2: Links, I think, yeah, deep links. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so that's the only modification you've really made.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it doesn't affect me too much right now.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And how do you think it would affect you, like, say,
your Instagram gets shut down because I feel like, I mean,
the thing is is that the the rules change constantly
and they don't tell us.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I they just fucking ban you.
Speaker 3: I mean I've had very little problems with my Yeah,
let's see so far. But you know, I every day
it makes me nervous.
Speaker 4: Yeah, because you just wake up and it's gone one
day and you don't even know why.
Speaker 1: Half the time, No, they don't tell you.
Speaker 4: I think I could get it back probably if something happened,
but I would probably just I do have a backup.
Speaker 2: I mean, if you've built it once, you can build
it again. Yeah you can.
Speaker 4: And it's like a horrible setback and it sucks so bad,
But if you've built it once, you can you can
build it again.
Speaker 3: Let's talk about agencies. You've encountered some predatory agencies. What
are without naming anyone, what are the tactics you've seen
they use girls to sign and maybe for those people
who don't know, like explain kind of what an agency does.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: So I've been having a lot of run ins with
these things lately, since I've been doing a lot more
collabhouses and like working with a lot more girls, and
it's been pretty astounding what these agencies are like doing
to these girls, and like getting away with every agency
is different. They handle different parts of things. But they
might help with your social media. They might help with
managing your only fans. They might help with like getting
you pr like all that kind of.
Speaker 3: Stuff, creating content, creating contented stuff, like keeping customs organized.
Speaker 2: Sometimes they'll run these content houses.
Speaker 4: A lot of the time, they'll run these content houses
so they'll invite like bigger creators who they know are
making more money so that like we can come in
and interact with the girls in their agency and make
a bunch of content with the girls in their agencies
so that hopefully their girls can get that publicity and
then also hopefully they can sign us.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 4: So, I recently went to a content house that was like,
it was like pretty good. It was pretty good, but
the the guys running this agency were pulling girls aside.
They had like a presentation set up in a different
room in the house, and it was like on a
big TV and stuff, and they would pull a girl
one at a time who wasn't signed with them, and
they would put her in this room with them, and
it would be this girl surrounded by like five guys,
put this presentation up, give her the whole presentation, and
then put a contract in front of her right there
and make her sign it. And so one of the
girls I actually got to send me her contract because
I was really worried about her.
Speaker 2: I was like, give this to me. I used to
work for a law firm.
Speaker 4: It's like, obviously I can't give you any like legal advice,
but I can tell you if it's really.
Speaker 1: Bad, you know, yeah, I can look for red flags.
Speaker 4: And it was like we take fifty percent, we own
your likeness, we like blah blah blah. And it was
just like I was like, I can't believe you signed this,
Like get out of there. I think they had like
some thirty day clause or something like that. But they
usually try to get girls who aren't making very much money. Yeah,
like they didn't even try it with me, but I
heard from like three or four other girls.
Speaker 2: This is what happened.
Speaker 4: So they try to get girls who aren't making that
much money with the hope that they can kind of
like churn and burn them.
Speaker 2: So they get you in.
Speaker 4: Maybe you're making like ninety one hundred km month, which
is like really good money but not crazy, not like
the highest you could make in the only Fans world,
so you're not necessarily a girl who have a lot
of connections or a lot of power. Yet and they
get you in there and they get you to sign
this contract. They take fifty percent, and then they like
burn your account to the ground and they lock you
into like a year long contract, and they just like
squeeze the girls for every penny they can get out
of them.
Speaker 3: And then and then sometimes what they'll do is they'll
promote other girls on their page to get their other
girls exactly more numbers exactly.
Speaker 4: So they'll have their like big fish clients who do
make a lot of money and have a lot of power,
and they are interested in making that girl more and
more and more money because she's the girl who carries
their reputation. So she's the girl going around saying, yeah,
I have this agency, they make me so much money,
blah blah blah. And so they they'll do like shout
outs for her page on a smaller model's page and
try to get their whales to go to And I
actually heard them. I had like a bedroom right above
what they were using as an office, and I actually
heard them talking about how they could get different girls
whales to migrate to their girl's accounts.
Speaker 2: And stuff like that, and I was like, wow, that
is crazy.
Speaker 3: So, for those of you who don't know, a whale
is a fan that spends a lot of money, A
lot of money, a lot of money.
Speaker 1: That's what they call him. Yeah, I actually crazy.
Speaker 3: I had a model contact me yesterday saying like, hey,
so and so told me to contact you.
Speaker 1: I'm like, who the fuck is that?
Speaker 3: She's like so and so of this like blank, Yeah,
OnlyFans Agency said that, like they work with you and
that you'd vouch them.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I've never heard of them. I have no
idea who you were talking.
Speaker 2: About, because I think they kind of bet that you.
Speaker 1: Won't won't check references, or that you won't.
Speaker 4: Reply because you're too big, you know what I mean,
Like you won't give that girl to the time of day.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: It was like I literally have no clue who that is,
Like don't yeah, it's pretty It's so bad.
Speaker 4: I actually got in touch with a I was telling
a different friend about this, and he works for like
what does he do? He does like social media management,
works with streamers and stuff like that, but he works
with like a lot of OnlyFans girls, And he was like,
I have someone very interesting for you to talk to.
And he gave me the phone number of a contract
attorney and I called her up and she was like,
obviously I can't give names, obviously I can't like cite
exact things, but let me tell you about all these
contracts and like what to look out for because I've
litigated on several of them.
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, okay.
Speaker 4: So she talked to me for like an hour about
these contracts and about the methods these agencies are using
to get girls to sign, and like a lot of
these contracts don't stand up, like they use a lot
of scare tactics. So like you can't force someone to
like do sex work for you for like a year,
you know what I mean. You can't lock someone into that.
I've never heard of a girl wasn't able to get
out of it, you know what I mean. But girls
don't know that, so they will scare you, and they
will put a bunch of pressure on you, and they
will take all of your money and they'll write in
these clauses where they're like you can leave, but you
have to give us two hundred grand or like whatever,
like you have to buy us out. Yeah, and girls
don't know any better. They get girls who are new
to the industry. They get girls who don't have friends,
who don't have connections, and they don't know any better.
And nobody talks about agencies because it's like very hush hush.
Speaker 3: What advice would you give to somebody who might be
watching this right now and is considering getting an agency, Like,
what should they look out for?
Speaker 4: I think you need to just be very careful with
what you sign, particularly with AI nowadays.
Speaker 2: Make sure you are not giving anybody else the rights
to your likeness.
Speaker 1: Because which has been popping up in contracts.
Speaker 3: It has been Yeah, I've seen it being snuck into
like even performing like model contracts for studios.
Speaker 1: Yeah, for like reputable studios, they'll.
Speaker 2: Own it forever and ever and ever, and you don't
want that.
Speaker 4: Have at the bare minimum two friends read it through
like page to page with you, because they might be
able to notice something. If you can afford it, certainly,
have an attorney read it, like one hundred percent. Have
an attorney read it, and have an attorney look into
the agency because a lot of the time these agencies
have a whole bunch of court cases.
Speaker 2: That your attorney can pull up.
Speaker 4: So I had a different agency that I went, and
I have this thing where I talk to everybody. I'm like,
if you reach out to me and you want to
talk to me, I'll talk to you. Like it might
not be in your best interest, but I'll talk to you,
you know. And So I went and I toured their
content house and I did this whole thing, and I
was just kind of yapping with them, and they sent
me a contract and all this stuff, and I was like, huh,
and I had my attorney look into them.
Speaker 2: They have several several several ongoing lawsuits with models.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: And I was like, interesting, interesting.
Speaker 4: Well that's public. That's like public information that an attorney
can get for you.
Speaker 3: Also, I will say chat GBT is your friend or
any other AI program that you use, take your contract,
put it in there, and then ask it.
Speaker 1: For red flags.
Speaker 3: I'll at least give you some kind of basic idea
of what you're looking at. It's always best to get
a lawyer to review if you can, but if you can't,
at the minimum do that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you can also ask chat GPT like if a
person or an entity has ever been involved in any controversy.
That's a really good thing to ask chatchipt. A girl
just told me that like two weeks ago, and I've
been doing it ever since. For if I'm clabbing with girls.
If like someone reaches out to me and they're like,
I want to work with you whatever, I'm like, okay, well,
chat ept, where's the dirt?
Speaker 2: Like, what have they done?
Speaker 1: Yeah? You know what, that's actually smart.
Speaker 3: I didn't because I think before it wasn't very good
at searching the web. Yeah, but I think it's changed.
I actually clawed now, Okay, I prefer it. I've had
that problem with podcast guests. Yeah, I've had podcast guests
on and I didn't know that they did this or that, and.
Speaker 4: Then you're like and then people yell at me, and
I'm like, how are you supposed to know?
Speaker 1: I can't keep everything in the world.
Speaker 4: You can't vet twenty years of somebody, ten years of
somebody being in the street, like by yourself.
Speaker 2: Right, you're here, you're.
Speaker 4: Running all the cameras, you're doing all this, You're drafting
your questions like, it's just it's it's a lot.
Speaker 3: Yeah, speaking of OnlyFans, there's been a lot of chatter
lately about the show's euphoria and Margo's Got Money Troubles
featuring OnlyFans as a narrative as part of the show,
and there's been a lot of.
Speaker 1: People who have had things to say about that. What's
your opinion.
Speaker 2: I haven't seen Margo's Got Money Troubles.
Speaker 4: It's on my like to watch list, but I've been
keeping up with Euphoria Euphoria.
Speaker 2: I think it's been very interesting.
Speaker 4: I do sort of resent that Hollywood is becoming interested
in this idea of talking about OnlyFans models, but that
we are so barred from any actual involvement with like
the film industry for the most part, because I know
like several OnlyFans models, so I think would be really
good actors.
Speaker 3: So I will say, like in like for Euphoria, they did,
they do have Chloe Chair.
Speaker 2: They do have Chloe Cherry. But doesn't she hate OnlyFans now?
Speaker 4: She? Because I think she posted a bunch of stuff
where she was like, you can do better, like blah
blah blah, So she's a turn Coach's they'll hire a
turn coat like, come on, ridiculous. But as far as
Cassie's character, if you just like isolate her experience with OnlyFans,
I think it's like pretty good. I think they did
a good job. They do a fair job of highlighting
our vices and our virtues with this character. Our virtues
are that like we are incredibly hard working, like we
are there to hustle, we're there to make money.
Speaker 2: But maybe one of the.
Speaker 4: Character flaws that a lot of us have, particularly when
you're really really new to the industry, and I think
it's very understandable, is that there's this like anxiety around
everything that makes you very a little like desperate, a
little clout chasy, a little like because at any moment,
everything could disappear. Every dollar you're making could disappear. And
so I think that most people when they start out
in the industry, I think they're anxious and a little rattled,
and I don't think that they always like make the
best decisions or represent themselves the best. And I think
they did a good job of portraying that while also
portraying the things that are really good about her well.
Speaker 3: I think it's also interesting too, because it's like, not
only could sure like the bottom fallout and you could
lose everything, but then you're still stamped with that scarlet letter, right,
and it make and you can't. A lot of people
will have difficulty moving on to doing something else. So
it's like you've thrown all your eggs into this one
basket by getting into sex work, and if it doesn't
work out for you, like the world doesn't allow you
to move on and like do something else with your life.
Speaker 2: And she very much is like doing what it takes.
Speaker 4: You know what she does some shady stuff that definitely
isn't like the right or nice thing to do, but
you can kind of understand why she does it because
there's so much anxiety around that, like what you know.
Speaker 1: I haven't watched the new season of a Euphoria.
Speaker 3: I actually really loved the show, but I just like,
I've just been I think I've just been busy, and
I've read like mixed views about it, so I was like,
I'm not sure it's worth my time at the moment. Plus,
I'm watching Yellowstone right now, is which is not like
a great show, but it's sort of like a guilty pleasure.
Speaker 4: Well, and you're locked in, Like I get locked in
on the show and I'm like, I'll get to the
next one.
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. It's I mean some of the writings whatever
you're enjoying. I enjoyed enough to watch it like on
a regular basis.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So one other thing that people have been commenting on,
and I think that this is a you know, something
that we see a lot, and I'm sure like you
can relate to this actually being somebody who's doing really
well on only Fans, but this idea that like any
woman can get into OnlyFans and like suddenly make like
a massive amount of money, and that it plays into
that idea, it's misleading for young women.
Speaker 4: Oh, with Euphoria, Yeah, I there is that component, but
I think they kind of so, like the plotline in Euphoria,
since you haven't seen it, is is, you know, Cassie
really wants to get into OnlyFans. She's making like a
little bit of money, and then her fiance makes her
delete her account. Her best friend comes back in her life,
and she's been kind of managing OnlyFans girls, and she
has a whole bunch of connections in Hollywood. She's friends
with a whole bunch of stars, and so she comes
up with this like ploy to get Cassie into this
party where there's a famous guy and get on his
like Instagram feed, like get on his Instagram stories, and
so they they kind of come up with this nasty
little scheme to basically immediately get her a ton of publicity.
And from that standpoint, I think that's true that if
you get a ton of publicity, like you really like
millions and millions and millions of people see your face, Yeah,
you might start off at a pretty in a pretty
strong place on only fans.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 3: And some people do some pretty I mean, I see
people doing some crazy shit online to get those eyeballs.
Speaker 4: Right, But like, I think you got to bear in
mind that although there's that immediate gratification maybe of like
making money, there's this sort of I don't know, there's
this like little humiliation you never lived down depending on
the press you get or depending on.
Speaker 1: Keep talked to a girl. Oh yeah, you know that's you.
Speaker 2: She talk to you, don't You don't even know her name.
Speaker 1: She's hawked to a girl I don't know her name.
Speaker 2: Right, And that's like that's humiliating.
Speaker 3: Have been better off just jumping on only fans, she
would be doing so much better. She was like, I'm
too good for only fans. I'm gonna get to crypto.
Speaker 1: Whoops.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so less money in crypto.
Speaker 1: That is that is a sketchy business.
Speaker 2: That is that is just gambling, just gambling.
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, But I mean, like, what would you say
with the idea that you know we are like playing
a false narrative to like young women joining only fans.
I've seen your content obviously, but I haven't seen all
of it. Yeah, like do you talk do you ever
talk about how?
Speaker 4: I talk about it a little bit, But it's honestly,
like hard because it's not an experience I've lived. Like
I understand that most women, I think the average is
like two hundred dollars a month or something on only
pretty for jumping on.
Speaker 2: It's really low.
Speaker 4: It's really really low what I tell my friends and stuff,
because I've had several girlfriends come up to me and
they're like, do you think I could do this? And
I tell them all seriously, I'm like, I think most
women could do this and make quite good money. But
I think you have to be willing to make content
for free on social media for a year first, and
most girls aren't willing to do that. They want to
open the only fans. They want to make a couple
of their straps, and they want to get a whole
bunch of money.
Speaker 2: That's not how it works.
Speaker 4: I do think any almost anybody could make money on OnlyFans,
Like there's so much body diversity, there's so much like
there's girls in wheelchairs making tons of money on OnlyFans,
there's tall women, short women.
Speaker 3: I was talking to one of the executives at Only
Fans and he says that little people actually are some
of the highest time.
Speaker 1: Totally.
Speaker 4: Yes, absolutely, yeah, absolutely, so I think anyone could do it.
But like, I think why I was so successful is
because I was making content, Like I had an audience
that had a relationship with me where I wasn't asking
them for anything for a long time. And I think
that that's very, very powerful. So I think if you're
willing to build an audience and truly connect with them,
yes you can succeed on OnlyFans. If you're looking just
for quick monetary gain, you will fail.
Speaker 3: That's good advice to start off without building an audience,
without asking for anything, because then it feels more authentic
and not that you're just trying to get people to
spend money on you. Then people feel connected to you,
and then they like want to support you, right, Yeah,
but that's a year without that's most people don't want
to wait that long. I think people like they don't,
like you said, they don't know how hard it is,
and they don't want to put in the time.
Speaker 4: Right, it's a lot of work, but only fans is
all about a relationship.
Speaker 2: Like it's all about people who like.
Speaker 4: Know you and they want to connect with you, and
they want to see more from you, and they're invested
in you.
Speaker 2: And it's like.
Speaker 4: People aren't on there necessarily just strictly for porn, or
they would just go to a porn hub, right, and
so like, if you think you can just make porn
and make a whole bunch of money, probably aren't really
understanding what the platform is.
Speaker 3: All right, let's pivot to some fun stories. Yeah, you
hired a male escort for a night in Australia?
Speaker 2: Did yeah about that?
Speaker 4: I thought it would be kind of like a fun,
interesting experience.
Speaker 2: It's legal there, so I was like, you know what
when in Rome?
Speaker 4: You know, so I booked a five star hotel and
like we were gonna go to dinner and all this stuff.
He's a little older. I think he was like forty
one or so, and he was in like really good shape,
and it was it was it was cool. So he
came and he met me at the hotel. I found
him on Scarlet Blue, I think, which is like their
Australian male escort website. So I just found a guy
on Scarlet Blue and I thought it would be kind
of fun because like I wanted a hookup, but sometimes
having hookups when you are so in like the public eye,
can be a little sketchy. Yeah, So I was like, ah,
this might be kind of fun, like you can go
have a little hookup. I can let looseen know, yeah,
those strings. So I was like okay. So I booked
him for four hours and he met me at the hotel.
We kind of started off on a weird foot because
I was messaging him a couple of nights prior and
he was like, where do you want to go for dinner?
And I was like, well, I don't really know the area.
Do you have any recommendations? And he was like no.
It was like okay, I'll figure it out. That included
in your rate that you helped me pick out a restaurant. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I was like, can you just like I'll pay for dinner,
you know, it's like obviously, but just get what's good,
what is good around you live here? Like yeah, and
he was like no, I don't really know.
Speaker 4: And I was like, oh okay, So we made a
I made a reservation at like a steak place.
Speaker 2: He came and met me at the hotel.
Speaker 4: I was wearing like really tall Jimmy choos and he
was like, let's walk to the restaurant and I was
like yeah, no, Like so I ordered an uber uber
to the restaurant and then we were like eating and
he just kept being like, you're the most beautiful thing here.
Speaker 2: You're so beautiful. You're just so beautiful.
Speaker 4: I would be like, wow, what a nice view, and
He's like, not as nice as my view.
Speaker 2: And I was like okay, okay, okay, we get it.
Speaker 4: And I actually said something to him at some point
and I was like that was five. You're done, Like
you can't say that to me anymore.
Speaker 3: He's probably used to dealing with like older women who
were real have low self esteem, right, and like, because
I mean, like, let's be honest, it's not as hard
for a man as it is for a woman to
get laid.
Speaker 1: Yeah you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: And so yeah, I imagine he's probably women who are
nervous about it, shy, maybe insecure with their looks.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he was really funny. He was a very good
like companion, you know. So we we had some conversations
those one okay, and then he snuck away and paid
for dinner, which I was surprised by because I had
a bunch of cash to pay for dinner.
Speaker 2: So I was like, okay, you know, just your bill
at the end. This is weird.
Speaker 4: So we go back up to the hotel room. He
was like, what kind of music do you like? And
it was like nineties grunge and he was like really
like yeah, it.
Speaker 1: Was like put it on some Nirvana bed.
Speaker 4: Yeah, put on like acoustic Nirvana covers and like Alice
and Chains.
Speaker 1: Unplugged Nirvana unplug.
Speaker 4: Like Alice and Chains covers it was. And I was like, yeah,
this music is great. We had like a little tree
and then we kind of started getting into things and
he kind of wasn't the like expert in bed that
I had hoped for. Really, have you ever had a
guy and he's like figuring you and then he starts
going like side to side inside probably I was like, hmm.
Speaker 2: Ok, okay, weird, like no, it's no, no.
Speaker 4: This way yeah, this way or this way like okay, yeah,
but not this way, not this way, but weird. It
was really weird. And then he like he was wearing
a column and he came and then he kept going
and I was like did you come? And he was like,
uh yeah, and I was like, well, we're not trying
to like make a milkshake, like you can take that
off and it's like you're not supposed to keep sucking
her after you come on the condom because it can
come up out of the side.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And also like, wasn't his dick getting song?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 2: He was like still hard, So I was confused because
he was still hard. So I was like, did you
just call?
Speaker 4: And then he goes and he takes the conum off
and stuff and he comes back and he was like
do you want to keep going?
Speaker 2: And I was like, honestly, no, that's okay.
Speaker 4: I'm so good, but like I appreciate you, and I
like gave him his money and I started like running
the bathtub because it was a five star hotel with
like a gorgeous view and a big bathtub. So I
had a pack of harborbo gummy bears and like a
diet soda, like turn on the bathtub, and I'm like
you can, you can go, man, like it's good and
he was like, huh, you don't want me to stay longer,
like I can give you a massage or something like whatever.
And I was like, Eh, it's really it's good. I'm
gonna like take this bath It's gonna be great. So
he starts like getting all his stuff and I go,
don't let me haunt you.
Speaker 2: He gets back to his apartment, he starts.
Speaker 4: Texting me, sending me like videos of his apartment and stuff.
I'm a little bit of like a California sober girl.
If you get my drift. He's like, he's like, you
come here, we could smoke something like blah blah blah.
And I was like And then two weeks later he
texts me again and I'm like, I stid not to
let me haunt you.
Speaker 1: Like how he liked you.
Speaker 3: I was like, Oh, he probably doesn't get a lot
of dates like you.
Speaker 4: I think it was a really like weird experience for
us both. Yeah, because I think he's like very good
for what he does, which is probably companionate relationships with
older women. Yeah, but he wasn't very good in bed,
and he was like very not very smooth, like.
Speaker 2: You know what I mean.
Speaker 4: But he was very highly rated and he won like
some awards and stuff, so like, yeah, I wasn't trying.
Speaker 2: To get like, you know, I wanted like a nice one.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 1: That's so disappointing.
Speaker 4: It was a little disappointing and it cost me like
three yrand Australian by the time everything was done and
stuff like that.
Speaker 3: So I was like, I hired a sex worker once,
teach you Yeah in Amsterdam, oh in Amsterdam, okay, okay,
with my boyfriend a man or a woman.
Speaker 1: It was a woman, okay, okay.
Speaker 3: Right after I graduated high school, we went to Amsterdam,
like is there kind of like college thing, and.
Speaker 1: Well, the problem was is that.
Speaker 3: We went at the end of our trip and I
was paying for most of the trip because he didn't
have that much money and I didn't have that much
money either. I mean, I was a fucking student and
I couldn't afford the really hot ones at that point,
so I just stop. I had to go like bargain
and negotiate, and then I finally found someone was like okay,
like they weren't couldn't afford like the really hot ones,
and she just was not interested in me at all
at all.
Speaker 1: And I'm actually very straight.
Speaker 2: I'm not into women, but a three times only fun
if everyone. Yeah, but like the thing, this.
Speaker 1: Is this environmental time for me.
Speaker 3: I was young, I was high, and she like ate
me out for a little bit and I could tell
she just wasn't into it.
Speaker 1: And then I was just like, just you can just
have sex. Let my boyfriend fuck you not watch.
Speaker 3: I'm like, I guess, so I just like, I was like,
you can just stop, and I just sat and watched him.
Speaker 2: Was the watching the acause I'm kind of a cook.
Speaker 1: So yeah, it actually I liked it. I like watching.
Speaker 2: I would be in that corner. You wuld be in
that corner.
Speaker 3: Watching And we talked about potentially like exploring that fetish
when we got home.
Speaker 1: But things are different in Europe, you know.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I got home to America and it was like people
we know, it was just like that fantasy.
Speaker 2: Was called the European mindset.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, one hundred percent.
Speaker 3: Since we're on the topic of male escorts and sex
and all that kind of stuff, is penis is important
to you.
Speaker 4: Not really Like I really like a guy who's really
good with his hands in his mouth because I need
a lot of like direct clatoral stimulation to come. I
can't really come just from like gentration. So I'm like, yeah,
it feels good. You know. If you're on the smaller side,
we're just gonna do a lot more doggy, you know
what I mean. Like if they're too big, that's more
of a problem because then it like actually hurts, you know.
But like I don't know, I love a little I
love a boyfriend dick. I love like a a good sign.
I love a good medium boyfriend dick. What size is
like a good I'll take anything from like four and
a half to seven.
Speaker 2: Oh, I've got a big window where I'm like, all right,
that's good. We can work with that.
Speaker 1: Four and a half is a boyfriend dick for you.
Speaker 4: Well, you know, it's like on the smaller it's definitely
on the smaller end of boyfriend dick.
Speaker 2: But I'm like, we can work with it.
Speaker 4: I had a boyfriend for a little bit who was
rocking a four and a half, but he bro would
go downtown until I came, and then he would go
to Poundtown and I was like, you know what, well,
mind whine complain.
Speaker 1: Man tries harder.
Speaker 4: Yeah they do, they'd be trying harder. And you know what,
I love a man who tries. Guys with really big dicks,
they sometimes are like I got it all man, Like
you're lucky to be here, and I'm.
Speaker 2: Like, no, you're lucky to be here.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I dated once.
Speaker 3: I once dated a guy who was really good looking
and had a really big dick. And he was the
most boring atsufferable.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, was the worst. Yes.
Speaker 3: And then he told me that he was going on
a surf trip with his buddies, but he actually went
on the show Temptation Island.
Speaker 4: He so, for real, did you find out like when
you turned on the show.
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 1: He finally like admitted it to me when he got back.
Speaker 3: What Yeah, he was like, so I gotta tell you
because it's gonna like you're gonna find out anyways, I
wasn't on a surf trip with my buddies.
Speaker 1: I went on the show Temptation Island. I was like,
are you fucking kids?
Speaker 2: Did you break up with him over that?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Okay, did you watch the episode?
Speaker 4: So though?
Speaker 2: When then?
Speaker 1: Yeah, he got eliminated, like on the very first one.
No way. Yeah, so he.
Speaker 2: Did all that and then he got the boot anywhere.
Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe he came back and admitted it to me
and tried to make it up to me because.
Speaker 1: He got eliminated. Maybe he thought he was gonna win
and he was like that, I don't.
Speaker 2: He was like, then I'll be with a different girl
or something.
Speaker 1: His name was Ryan something I can't Ryan. I think
it was the very first I could find out who
it was.
Speaker 3: It was the very I think it was the very
first episode of Temptation Island when at first.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna have so many things to google when I leave.
Speaker 1: You figure you gotta go a look because yeah.
Speaker 2: That is so funny. That is so funny.
Speaker 1: Dumb thing to lie about, so goofy, that's stupid. Anyways,
all right, well, thank you so much for coming on.
Speaker 3: I have a separate little segment that we're gonna do
some questions from my Patreon members and a few other
other more insightful questions. But can you let everybody know
where they can find you online?
Speaker 1: In the meantime?
Speaker 4: Sure, I am kit the beefcake seame tag everywhere, very
easy to find.
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