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Speaker 1: Colorado Democratic Party. You make it so easy, the gift
Speaker 1: that keeps on giving, except for all these laws you pass.
Speaker 1: But this is fun. It just helps us get into
Speaker 1: the mind of the left. Right. It's fresh. Nobody saw
Speaker 1: this one coming. We're going to play some sound from
Speaker 1: the Colorado State House rep from a District eleven Boulder.
Speaker 1: Her name is Representative Karen McCormick. So before we play
Speaker 1: this sound, though, keep in mind a couple of things please.
Speaker 1: She is also primary sponsor of a bill called Gender
Speaker 1: Identity Certificate of Death that makes it a crime to
Speaker 1: not lie on a public record. It would force Colorado
Speaker 1: health officials to lie on a public record and to
Speaker 1: say that that male laying there in front of them
Speaker 1: on the slab, God rest his soul is actually a female.
Speaker 1: And so we'll get into the perils of that and
Speaker 1: why why the left would even be pursuing this when
Speaker 1: if they had some sincere concern here. There's such an
Speaker 1: easy other fix. But we'll get to all that. But
Speaker 1: this sound you're gonna thoroughly enjoy if you're a pro
Speaker 1: life like me, Because it's a Democrat, the same one
Speaker 1: sponsoring this bill who's implicitly acknowledging the undeniable medical fact
Speaker 1: that all of these kids who are killed through abortion
Speaker 1: are in fact kids, they are in fact living humans.
Speaker 2: Cut one, Please, we know, even from fetal development perspective,
Speaker 2: that sex is defined in the first trimester of pregnancy,
Speaker 2: whereas the beginnings of the sense of gender identity start
Speaker 2: in the second trimester of pregnancy. So certainly often these
Speaker 2: two things match up, but often they don't.
Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, so if you've got your sense of gender
Speaker 1: identity in this second trimester, it's just confirmation that you're
Speaker 1: a living human, and you know, are getting this sense
Speaker 1: that Okay, I know I got those parts there, but
Speaker 1: I'm really not, you know, that gender. Right, So that's
Speaker 1: her goofy theory when it comes to, oh, yeah, these
Speaker 1: kids are deciding before they're born that they're really the
Speaker 1: opposite sex. But she's absolutely correct, and that these are kids,
Speaker 1: these are living humans, and so absolutely fascinating. Now, let's
Speaker 1: get back to this bill that would require Colorado Health's
Speaker 1: officials to lie. What's really behind this? I mean, it's
Speaker 1: so goofy on its faith. Right. If somebody was to say, okay, Ryan,
Speaker 1: now the reason I want this bill is because I
Speaker 1: want to respect the wishes and the self identification of
Speaker 1: the deceased. You've got to have a hurt Ryan. Well
Speaker 1: wait a second, isn't the answer to that? Well, then
Speaker 1: why don't you propose a bill that would just add
Speaker 1: a separate box and just have a separate box that
Speaker 1: says self identification, but you keep the sex box and
Speaker 1: it is worded sex on Colorado death certificates, you keep
Speaker 1: the sex box, right honest. And if they and I'm
Speaker 1: not saying we should add a separate box, but if
Speaker 1: they really, if that was their true motive to just
Speaker 1: respect the wishes of the deceased, why wouldn't the bill say,
Speaker 1: add a separate box for self identification.
Speaker 3: And not only that, that might be a fair starting
Speaker 3: point for negotiations on a fair compromise that would at
Speaker 3: least validate acknowledge the gender identity of a trans person without,
Speaker 3: like you said, foraging over into the lying about the
Speaker 3: scientific part of it.
Speaker 1: But that's not what the left wants. The left of
Speaker 1: the left wants you to be forced, under penalty of
Speaker 1: criminal prosecution, to buy the lie. That's what the left wants.
Speaker 1: You know. They don't want tolerance, they want obedience. You
Speaker 1: have to buy the lie. You have to sign your
Speaker 1: name to the lie under penalty of criminal prosecution. This
Speaker 1: bill is such a confirmation of what the left is
Speaker 1: really after A five five or zero five, A two
Speaker 1: five five takes DA N five seven, seven through nine.
Speaker 1: Let's go out to beautiful Aurora, Colorado'll talk to Brent.
Speaker 1: You're on the Dan Caplis. Show how you doing, Brent.
Speaker 4: I'm doing great.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 4: The biggest thing I have with all this gender identity is,
Speaker 4: say you go to a crime scene. Okay, you get DNA,
Speaker 4: it's going to be male or female regards to how
Speaker 4: somebody identifies.
Speaker 1: And that's how you put that on a form. Hardon me,
Speaker 1: don't put that on a form. I'm joking, But go ahead.
Speaker 1: You're pointing out very well the absurdity of all this.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and you know, one hundred years from now, an
Speaker 4: archaeologist goes in and exumes a body that is at
Speaker 4: some place, then they're going to do DNA, and it's
Speaker 4: going to be male or females, not what somebody identified
Speaker 4: a right.
Speaker 1: So why do you think they're so hell bent on this,
Speaker 1: on forcing people to buy the lie.
Speaker 4: I think they're wanting to people to buy it a
Speaker 4: lot to get in line with their ideology. And you're
Speaker 4: not going to do it.
Speaker 1: No, and good for you, and America sent an election
Speaker 1: day it wouldn't do it. Brent, thank you for the call.
Speaker 1: And I believe this. I'm not talking about Representative McCormick.
Speaker 1: I'd love to have her on and just talk to
Speaker 1: her as an individual about what's driving her. But when
Speaker 1: you talk about the left as a whole Ryan, the
Speaker 1: only thing that makes any sense to me as to
Speaker 1: why the left would make this their holy grail, second
Speaker 1: only to abortion. You have to buy the lie, you
Speaker 1: have to, under a threat of banishment from civil society,
Speaker 1: be willing to say that man's really a woman. Is that.
Speaker 1: It's just that the left knows that they have to
Speaker 1: do a couple of things to be able to prevail
Speaker 1: in America. They have to intimidate people into bending the
Speaker 1: knee and into a green with the left in order
Speaker 1: for the left to prevail, they have to get people
Speaker 1: to set aside their intellectual beliefs, set aside their religious
Speaker 1: beliefs for the left to prevail. So this whole trans thing,
Speaker 1: which never made any sense politically for the left right
Speaker 1: because it's such a relatively small community. One of the
Speaker 1: greatest people I've ever met my entire life is trans.
Speaker 1: But it's still a very small community, and so it
Speaker 1: never made any sense to me that they would go
Speaker 1: all in on that unless there was a broader goal.
Speaker 1: And I think this bill that we see the Democrats
Speaker 1: pushing in Colorado right now just confirms that, right, because
Speaker 1: if they really wanted to just acknowledge the feelings of
Speaker 1: the deceased, they just add an extra box self identification and.
Speaker 3: To kind of square the circle. Here, Dan, a very
Speaker 3: interesting text of formulating a question for you and for
Speaker 3: everybody out there.
Speaker 1: So did anyone ask this.
Speaker 3: Democrat introducing this ludicrous bill if it's okay to abort
Speaker 3: a trans baby?
Speaker 1: What a great point. I love our listeners. How about
Speaker 1: this one taking both of us to task, which we
Speaker 1: greatly appreciate. And I wish this person would call the
Speaker 1: show as well. It's so well worded, Dan and Ryan.
Speaker 1: The consensus always watch out for that word, right, consensus
Speaker 1: among whom is that transgender people are born that way,
Speaker 1: and frankly, as I am transgendered, says the Texter, I
Speaker 1: know I was born the way I am, And you
Speaker 1: are incorrect on the science because biology is more complex
Speaker 1: and xx or x y. Your contention is that being
Speaker 1: transgendered is a learned experience, and it is not. It
Speaker 1: is as predetermined as the color of your eyes. But
Speaker 1: I cannot expect someone who is ignorant of it to
Speaker 1: understand it. I agree on the abortion aspect of your commentary,
Speaker 1: though that from Kimberly. A couple of things there. First,
Speaker 1: Kimberly and the consensus, I'd love to see that, because
Speaker 1: I'm not seeing that right now. And then you say
Speaker 1: that my premise is that this identifying as the opposite
Speaker 1: sex is a learned experience. I'm not saying that, Kimberly.
Speaker 1: All I'm saying is that no matter where it comes from,
Speaker 1: it doesn't change the truth that that person is what
Speaker 1: their parts say they are when it comes to gender.
Speaker 1: And then if that person wants to say what I
Speaker 1: identify as the opposite, what do I care, knock yourself out,
Speaker 1: but don't force other people to lie about it, and
Speaker 1: don't claim a right to go into a girl's bathroom
Speaker 1: or shower or to play a girl's sports and leave
Speaker 1: the kids alone. Don't be recruiting the kids. That's all
Speaker 1: I'm saying. Anything wrong with that, Ryan, any hole in
Speaker 1: that morally, intellectually, analytically, logically, No.
Speaker 3: But even what Kimberly says there, and I know she's
Speaker 3: a regular listener, it underscoes or's the point of the
Speaker 3: pro life position.
Speaker 1: If you believe that the.
Speaker 3: Person inside, no matter what they are xxx y trans what,
Speaker 3: it's a living human being. Uh oh, left, how do
Speaker 3: you justify aborting that living woman being?
Speaker 1: At that point? You know what's really interesting as you
Speaker 1: watch this over the years, I consider my mom one
Speaker 1: of the founders of the pro life movement. But over
Speaker 1: the years you've seen the argument on the left transition
Speaker 1: right from the big lie in the beginning that that's
Speaker 1: not a human, that's a clump of tissue to really
Speaker 1: what I think is more mainstream on the left right now,
Speaker 1: which is, oh, yeah, that's a baby, but we have
Speaker 1: a right to kill it. I mean, that's really what
Speaker 1: the left's argument has come down to and didn't Bill
Speaker 1: Maher have a great riff on that. Maybe you could
Speaker 1: pull that up during the Brads And now you are AI,
Speaker 1: You're on the Dan Caplas Show.
Speaker 3: And now back to the Dan Kapliss Show podcast.
Speaker 1: They think it's murder and it kind of is. I'm
Speaker 1: just okay with that. I am. I mean, there's eight
Speaker 1: billion people in the world. I'm sorry, we won't miss you.
Speaker 1: That's my position on the what not your position if
Speaker 1: your pro choice fascinating. You know, Bill Maher And one
Speaker 1: of the most memorable interviews I've had on this show
Speaker 1: is Bill Maher, and we really went at it and
Speaker 1: then he ended up hanging up. But he seems Ryan
Speaker 1: at this point, and he still says some things that
Speaker 1: aren't true, but he seems devoted to just this radical honesty, right,
Speaker 1: and so I think he's just become so disgusted by
Speaker 1: the blatant dishonesty of the left, such as on this
Speaker 1: transgender stuff. Having under threat of criminal prosecution in the
Speaker 1: case of the New Colorado Bill or banishment from society,
Speaker 1: you have to then lie and say that somebody who's
Speaker 1: a male is really a female. But he just spoke
Speaker 1: the truth there, right, And that is I mean, so
Speaker 1: many on the left now, and I can tell you
Speaker 1: just from everything I read of what they write, etc.
Speaker 1: So many in the pro abortion movement they just absolutely
Speaker 1: recognize the undeniable truth that, yeah, you're killing a child,
Speaker 1: you're killing a living human, and they just say that's okay.
Speaker 1: And so that's one of the reasons I'm so confident
Speaker 1: that the arc is toward life. And we see that
Speaker 1: in tangible ways, right, including the fall of Dobbs, in
Speaker 1: the election of Trump, etc. But yeah, is simply because
Speaker 1: underlying it, the science is undeniable. So many people have
Speaker 1: seen altarsounds. Now the left knows it can't really get
Speaker 1: away with that old argument that it's a clump of tissue.
Speaker 1: I mean, right, have you ever had how many of
Speaker 1: your buddies come up to you and say, hey, man,
Speaker 1: look at this picture of my fetus. No, I mean
Speaker 1: all of us. As soon as we got that first
Speaker 1: altar sound, we're running out and say hey, look at
Speaker 1: my baby.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 1: So it's all falling apart for the pro death left.
Speaker 3: And a couple of things, Dan, why you're right and
Speaker 3: why the momentum is moving in that direction, and especially
Speaker 3: among gen Z's, and it's because of the science I
Speaker 3: think that they're talking about, and hopefully it is. But
Speaker 3: there's a couple of points we made here the left.
Speaker 3: If you notice, Dan, they rarely use the word abortion anymore.
Speaker 3: They've run away from.
Speaker 1: It, so they don't think productive rights. There you go.
Speaker 3: And the other part is how many other leftists, let's
Speaker 3: get Bill Maher some credit here, are fundamentally honest about
Speaker 3: the position he was. He said, look, if your pro choice,
Speaker 3: isn't that what you believe?
Speaker 1: And the answer is yes, you know, well, well I obviously,
Speaker 1: and we've talked about it before. They won't use the
Speaker 1: word abortion because everybody knows right now that's wrong. And
Speaker 1: so these are the same folks if they've been alive
Speaker 1: in the eighteen Oh no, no, you can't say slavery.
Speaker 1: It has to be farmer's rights. You know, it has
Speaker 1: to be you know, plantation owner's rights. You can't say slavery. Right,
Speaker 1: it's the same idea. Hey. By the way, the reason
Speaker 1: we're talking about this today, other than it's the number
Speaker 1: one civil rights issue in the world today, is because
Speaker 1: we've got this state rep out of Boulder. We're trying
Speaker 1: to get her on I think she's been on before.
Speaker 1: You don't think so, right, But Representative Karen McCormick from
Speaker 1: House District eleven, who I think didn't realize she was
Speaker 1: supporting the pro life movement when she said this cut
Speaker 1: one place.
Speaker 2: Well, we know, even from fetal development perspective, that sex
Speaker 2: is defined in the first trimester of pregnancy, whereas the
Speaker 2: beginnings of the sense of gender identity start in the
Speaker 2: second trimester of pregnancy. So certainly often these two things
Speaker 2: match up, but often they don't.
Speaker 1: Well, the only way the sense of gender identity can
Speaker 1: start in the second trimester is if you're a living
Speaker 1: human right, And so thank you for that, Representative. And
Speaker 1: I don't know where she's at on the life issue.
Speaker 1: I assume just because she's an elected Democrat that she's
Speaker 1: rapidly pro abortion, but maybe I'm wrong on that. The
Speaker 1: other point though, this idea that wait a second, these
Speaker 1: kids are deciding before they're born that they're really not
Speaker 1: what they are now. I would love to hear her
Speaker 1: science behind that, because you can be sure it does
Speaker 1: not exist. But then this ties into this bill that
Speaker 1: she's pushing. She's a main sponsor of called gender identity
Speaker 1: Certificate of death that as I read the bill, and
Speaker 1: she's welcome to come on and tell me I'm missing
Speaker 1: something would would force a state medical officer, under threat
Speaker 1: of criminal prosecution, to lie on official documents. If they've
Speaker 1: got a body in front of them and it is
Speaker 1: male and it has all the male parts, they would
Speaker 1: be forced to write down as sex female, as long
Speaker 1: as that person had left those instructions behind. And as
Speaker 1: I read the bill, even if that person had not
Speaker 1: left those instructions behind, if another appropriate person and then
Speaker 1: the bill identifies who that would be says, oh no,
Speaker 1: that's a female, the state official would still have to
Speaker 1: lie on the form under threat of criminal prosecution, at
Speaker 1: least as I read that bill. And here's here's my
Speaker 1: even bigger point. If this was really just about sensitivity
Speaker 1: to the dearly departed, and if they identified as female
Speaker 1: even though they were male, then the fix here wouldn't
Speaker 1: be to force people to lie in a state form.
Speaker 1: The fix would be a separate box where they could
Speaker 1: write down self identification. Right, So why aren't they introducing
Speaker 1: a bill that says that? What's your answer to that?
Speaker 1: Eight five zero five A two five five text d
Speaker 1: An five seven seven three nine Brian, Great Texters want
Speaker 1: to clarify something, Dan, with our last comment regarding abortion
Speaker 1: and gender identity, Mountain grandparents are being completely sarcastic, using
Speaker 1: the current woke vernaculars such as inseminated person. We are
Speaker 1: truly amazed at the idiocy that were so hard to
Speaker 1: convince so many without the slightest awareness of their own contradictions.
Speaker 1: Mountain Grandparents, we can assure you every listener knew that
Speaker 1: you were being sarcastic, but we have cleared it up
Speaker 1: in case somebody missed it. Dan, I missed the news
Speaker 1: of the discovery of the trans chromosome, sent with invisible ink.
Speaker 1: You gotta love our listeners. Got to love our listeners
Speaker 1: so and by the way, sometimes we get people sending
Speaker 1: us a links the links says some Texters are we
Speaker 1: can't take those because the text are off the iHeart
Speaker 1: system and they wisely do not accept links. Dan, did
Speaker 1: anyone ask this democrat introducing this ludicrous bill if it's
Speaker 1: okay to abort a trans baby? Going to Ryan's earlier point,
Speaker 1: I would love to be able to ask a Democrat
Speaker 1: that question, and hopefully this representative will join us but
Speaker 1: what do you think their answer would be. I think
Speaker 1: we both know what their answer would be, right, I
Speaker 1: don't know what answered it could be, dan oh, because
Speaker 1: it's the same as their answer to everything else, and right,
Speaker 1: every debate, everything else. Do you accept any limits whatsoever
Speaker 1: on abortion timing, reason, et cetera. They always defer to
Speaker 1: it's up to the mother, right, just like California, where
Speaker 1: it's a capital offense, it's it's capital murder in California.
Speaker 1: Let's say that you've got a mom and she's walking
Speaker 1: out of an office where she's just picked up a check.
Speaker 1: This is a real life case, and somebody punches her
Speaker 1: in the stomach trying to steal her purse. They don't
Speaker 1: know she's pregnant, she's two weeks pregnant, and they kill
Speaker 1: her unborn child. That person is then guilty of capital
Speaker 1: murder in California. But California Democrats have made sure it's
Speaker 1: law that that baby can be killed moments before delivery
Speaker 1: at full term. So how do you reconcile those two?
Speaker 1: And by the way, there's somebody who did a lot
Speaker 1: of jail time in that first example. That's that's a
Speaker 1: true case.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a moral dilemma, isn't it, Dan, No, No,
Speaker 3: For them, it's it's right, right, right.
Speaker 1: But there's no moral dilemma. It's the clearest thing on
Speaker 1: the planet when it comes to right and wrong, So
Speaker 1: there is no dilemma. I understand that a lot of
Speaker 1: women find themselves in very challenging situations with an unintended pregnancy,
Speaker 1: et cetera, but it doesn't chase the fact that is
Speaker 1: a living human who the Democrats say you can kill
Speaker 1: until birth, and that's fundamentally wrong. You're on the Dan cap.
Speaker 3: You're listening to the Dan Kaplis Show podcast.
Speaker 1: Hey, one of our favorites coming up. Aaron Lee will
Speaker 1: join us. Erin for parental Rights and executive director Protect
Speaker 1: Kids Colorado. Erin Welcome back to the Dan Caplis Show.
Speaker 5: Thank Dan, thanks for having me back.
Speaker 1: Well, I saw your tweet this morning and it's on
Speaker 1: a story that we've been covering at links, so I
Speaker 1: wanted to get you on and get your take. But
Speaker 1: for the folks who just joined us, let's tee up
Speaker 1: that sound first. This is a Boulder Statehouse Rep. Karen
Speaker 1: McCormick cut one.
Speaker 2: Please, we know even from fetal development perspective, that sex
Speaker 2: is defined in the first trimester of pregnancy, whereas the
Speaker 2: beginnings of the sense of gender identity start in the
Speaker 2: second trimester of pregnancy. So certainly often these two things
Speaker 2: match up, but often they don't.
Speaker 1: Wow. Well, you know, as a pro lifeer, I'm really
Speaker 1: happy to hear say that, because if these kids are
Speaker 1: figuring out they're not really their true sex in the
Speaker 1: second trimester, well then you shouldn't be able to kill them, right,
Speaker 1: But what do you think of this whole goofy premise?
Speaker 1: Arein that the kids are figuring out even before they're born,
Speaker 1: that no, those parts really aren't my gender.
Speaker 5: Well, quatch with Dan. This trans kid genocide that they
Speaker 5: keep screaming about apparently really is happening. It's just that
Speaker 5: they're the ones murdering them. Gosh, it was non spentacle
Speaker 5: the bill. But hearing yeah, well, hey, they keep screaming
Speaker 5: that people are feeling trans kids. If that's the case,
Speaker 5: they're the ones doing it. This whole bill was insanity.
Speaker 5: I mean truly, it was bill twenty five to eleven
Speaker 5: oh nine to make it a criminal offense or someone
Speaker 5: filling out a death certificate to misgender, as they say,
Speaker 5: someone's gender identity.
Speaker 1: So they are.
Speaker 5: Compelling coroners who are looking at a body so that
Speaker 5: is clearly male, and saying you must declare that this
Speaker 5: is a female on official records or face criminal charges.
Speaker 5: And when I looked into these the misdemeanor that they propose,
Speaker 5: it's the same penalty as someone who commits second degree
Speaker 5: arsin best false imprisonment, keeping a place of prostitution. And
Speaker 5: they believe that this is suitable punishment for someone who
Speaker 5: refuses to be compelling a lie.
Speaker 1: Exactly. So the Democrats now are pushing a bill that
Speaker 1: says it's a crime not to lie on a government form,
Speaker 1: and that just tells you everything you need to know
Speaker 1: about the Democratic Party in Colorado, doesn't it.
Speaker 5: It's just one more incremental step towards eradicating our free
Speaker 5: speech rights. I pointed out in my testimony during this
Speaker 5: hearing that in twenty nineteen eleven twenty nine compelled the
Speaker 5: speech of therapists and harmed children in the process. Last
Speaker 5: year they passed ten thirty nine, which compels the speech
Speaker 5: of teachers and harms kids in the process. And while
Speaker 5: people may look at this and think this is such
Speaker 5: a filly bill, they're wasting time. It will harm people
Speaker 5: in the process. It will harm those families of kids
Speaker 5: who died gender confused, who died to suicide or died
Speaker 5: to complications from these barbe barrack medical procedures. It will
Speaker 5: harm the coroners or the funeral directors, which are often churches,
Speaker 5: who are being compelled to lie on government documents. That
Speaker 5: absolutely will harm people in the process. It's not a
Speaker 5: harmless bill, and it's one more step towards taking away
Speaker 5: our free speech.
Speaker 1: And I'm thinking out loud off of your last point.
Speaker 1: I haven't concluded this, but might it not also promote suicide?
Speaker 1: I mean, couldn't you see some terribly confused and a
Speaker 1: lot of heartbreaking cases, terribly confused child who is just
Speaker 1: now so caught up in their identity, is their gender identity,
Speaker 1: that they're not really a male, they're a female and
Speaker 1: that's how they want to be known. And that is
Speaker 1: there a scenario where that could then motivate a suicide
Speaker 1: just so that's the way they're forever remembered. I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't know, but you know, people in that kind
Speaker 1: of confused state, you never know. But let me ask
Speaker 1: you this eron what do you think is really motivating this,
Speaker 1: Because if it was a sincere desire to show respect
Speaker 1: for the wishes of the deceased, wouldn't the bill be
Speaker 1: to just add another box on the death certificate for
Speaker 1: self identification and leave the medical scientific sex box intact.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it really feels like a power move where they're
Speaker 5: not satisfied with just adding an additional box. They're not
Speaker 5: satisfied with ramifications that don't include criminality, which comes with
Speaker 5: one hundred and twenty day sentence in jail. It really
Speaker 5: feels like a total power move. As I said, they
Speaker 5: are compelling us to go along with this agenda. They
Speaker 5: are passing these laws so that we have no choice
Speaker 5: but to go along with it, or essentially intimidating us
Speaker 5: by the threat of criminality into going along with it.
Speaker 5: And so to me, it really feels like a power
Speaker 5: move where they are asserting their power over us and
Speaker 5: they're not satisfied with just adding an additional box for
Speaker 5: gender identity.
Speaker 1: It goes back to the point that the Left has
Speaker 1: never really been about tolerance. They've been about forced obedience,
Speaker 1: and whether it's canceling you, running you out of civil
Speaker 1: society if you won't bend the knee and all their lives,
Speaker 1: or in this case, threatening you with criminal prosecute. You
Speaker 1: sho in jail if you won't lie on an official form.
Speaker 1: But let me ask you this because Aaron, if you
Speaker 1: don't know Aaron's very compelling story, she has lived this
Speaker 1: when she rescued her daughter from an effort to trans
Speaker 1: her daughter that was going on at school that she
Speaker 1: wasn't even told about. But what is the bigger play here?
Speaker 1: Is it the secular left trying to just condition the
Speaker 1: population to be willing to lie and willing to adopt,
Speaker 1: you know, the so called truce of the left, just
Speaker 1: to stay part of society.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'll address that more broadly because we saw with
Speaker 5: Trump coming into office and passing these executive orders, a
Speaker 5: shift in the Overton window. You know, it's like he's
Speaker 5: flung the pendulum back in the other direction. And I
Speaker 5: really equate Democrats right now to scared wounded animals in
Speaker 5: a corner who are just lashing out. They're laughing out
Speaker 5: in these most nonsensical ways, and they're really trying to
Speaker 5: see that stranglehold on our culture. Because this gender ideology
Speaker 5: swept through every facet of society especially over the last
Speaker 5: four years. And I think they see the writing on
Speaker 5: the wall that people are waking up and they're not
Speaker 5: buying it anymore, so they have to force it on
Speaker 5: us through these laws.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think people never bought it Aaron across
Speaker 1: party lines. I think that people were silenced. They were censored.
Speaker 1: I mean, look at so many parents right who must
Speaker 1: intensely love their children, yet they stayed silent as as
Speaker 1: boys were allowed to play basketball and volleyball against their
Speaker 1: little girls, right because they didn't want to be ostracized
Speaker 1: or have their kids ostracized and run out of civil society.
Speaker 1: So I think people have never bought into it, and
Speaker 1: Trump just gave them permission to speak up.
Speaker 5: That's right. It's been a lot of willful ignorance and
Speaker 5: what I call toxic empathy or toxic kindness for people
Speaker 5: just wanted to do the right thing and not be
Speaker 5: pointed out and not be ostracized for saying the truth.
Speaker 6: But he did.
Speaker 5: He's given us all life now to be honest and
Speaker 5: to see how we really feel. And I think that
Speaker 5: the Democrats, who operate in an echo chamber in our
Speaker 5: legislature are just desperately trying to compel all of us
Speaker 5: to continue the lie.
Speaker 1: Well, and it tells you they feel they're politically bulletproof
Speaker 1: in Colorado, right because obviously the Dems just got wiped
Speaker 1: out nationally by just adhering to this trans craziness. But
Speaker 1: in Colorado they feel they can't lose.
Speaker 5: That's right. They operate that way entirely, and that's why
Speaker 5: I was part of co founding Protect Kids Colorado. We
Speaker 5: run citizens valid initiatives. We recognize that we cannot pass
Speaker 5: good laws, we can't even fight the bad laws like
Speaker 5: this one was past eight to five through committee, and
Speaker 5: it will become law in the state of Colorado and amazings
Speaker 5: into our own hands. I think he will. There's no
Speaker 5: fiscal note attached, I do. I think he'll sign it.
Speaker 5: He definitely tries to play the moderate card. You've deceived
Speaker 5: a lot of people, but he's certainly a driving force
Speaker 5: in some of these more radical agendas, especially on the
Speaker 5: TQ issues where children are concerned.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, it'll be interesting to me to see
Speaker 1: if he signs it, because I look at what he's
Speaker 1: done politically. For example, after the horror at Club Q
Speaker 1: where all those wonderful people were killed and wounded police
Speaker 1: didn't go down there for days now. He had COVID initially,
Speaker 1: but he was back in the office within a few days,
Speaker 1: and even then, if I remember, waited two or three
Speaker 1: or four days and then just to kind of a
Speaker 1: brief drive by. So it'll be interesting to see how
Speaker 1: he plays this politically, because nobody has to be a
Speaker 1: political scientist right to see where Americans are at on this,
Speaker 1: and you can be sure most Coloradens as well. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's got to be a very strong majority of Coloraden's
Speaker 1: who see this trans stuff as crazy. I mean, they
Speaker 1: have a heart, as all of us do, right for
Speaker 1: kids who are truly confused or adults who are truly confused,
Speaker 1: But don't make us lie, don't make us agree that
Speaker 1: men can go into girls' locker rooms and showers or
Speaker 1: play their sports. I've got to believe this is a
Speaker 1: seventy to thirty issue, at least in Colorado.
Speaker 5: I think it's more of like an eighty twenty issue
Speaker 5: from my experience talking to people with the BALLID initiative,
Speaker 5: at least an eighty twenty issue. I think. You know,
Speaker 5: Paulis is a politician, and so he signed off eleven
Speaker 5: twenty nine. He signed ten thirty nine that you held
Speaker 5: our speech. But he's going to do what is going
Speaker 5: to put him in the best position to run for president.
Speaker 5: And as the culture changes, it'll be interesting to see
Speaker 5: if he signs this or not.
Speaker 1: It could go either way. The best position to run
Speaker 1: for president. I come back to you. I have a
Speaker 1: better chance of being QB one for the Broncos next year,
Speaker 1: but we'll enjoy it together. Erin, how can people follow you?
Speaker 5: Yes, I go by Aaron four parental rights on all platforms.
Speaker 5: And then there's a free film about our movie that
Speaker 5: we made that anyone can watch. It's at arcclubmovie dot com.
Speaker 1: Well, keep up the fight. You're doing great work. Thank you, Erin.
Speaker 1: Thanks Dan, take care. When we come back. We'll get
Speaker 1: a few texts on this. But I get to some
Speaker 1: other stuff today, including President Trump's fascinating idea of selling
Speaker 1: essentially sit and ship for five million dollars to certain
Speaker 1: people who may be job producers. What do you think
Speaker 1: about that? You're on the Dan Caplas Show.
Speaker 3: And now back to the Dan Taplas Show podcast.
Speaker 6: And wealthy people will be coming into our country by
Speaker 6: buying this card.
Speaker 1: They'll be wealthy.
Speaker 6: Okay, okay, I've heard a lot of stupid in my life,
Speaker 6: but this, this is a new one. So we're now
Speaker 6: going to sell a gold card to very wealthy people
Speaker 6: so that they can get access to the US for
Speaker 6: five million dollars.
Speaker 1: Meanwhile, we've got.
Speaker 6: People who have legitimately come through the process whose papers
Speaker 6: may have expired. What they're getting kicked out?
Speaker 1: Sure, these people with the gold card, it would be
Speaker 1: really nice. These are really good people.
Speaker 6: So here's the deal. Uh, you can get a gold
Speaker 6: card and maybe some golden made tennis shoes, and hey,
Speaker 6: become a US citizen.
Speaker 1: I mean, we've had a decade of right, I.
Speaker 6: Mean everything's for sales.
Speaker 1: That are we going out? Yeah? Really sad to see
Speaker 1: what Michael Steele's become, right, and you just think of
Speaker 1: all of the things he said about Trump during the campaign,
Speaker 1: Trump would never be president, this, this, that that, and
Speaker 1: so now he's reduced to kind of those cheap lines
Speaker 1: and yeah, but hey, it is what it is. Too bad.
Speaker 1: But in terms of public policy, I think it's absolutely
Speaker 1: fascinating because hey, you know, you look at it. In
Speaker 1: my view of it anyway, is first of all, our
Speaker 1: immigration laws have to be respected. We have to be
Speaker 1: able to control our borders, control who comes in. That's
Speaker 1: in no way racial or anything like that. It's just
Speaker 1: kind of common sense. But then beyond that, I think that, yeah,
Speaker 1: we do have I think in obligation as a nation
Speaker 1: more has expected those two more is given to do
Speaker 1: everything we reasonably can, you know, to help the oppressed
Speaker 1: do seek refuge here. That doesn't mean open bar, it
Speaker 1: doesn't mean taking everybody at sure as hell, doesn't mean
Speaker 1: not vain. But I do think at that end of
Speaker 1: the scale, we have that obligation to do what we can.
Speaker 1: On the other end, there's no reason that we should
Speaker 1: not be taking advantage of the gifts we've been given
Speaker 1: with this nation. And consider a program like that where listen,
Speaker 1: if you're able to add job producers from around the world,
Speaker 1: if you're able to also attract, you know, not just
Speaker 1: those who are seeking refuge from oppression, et cetera, but
Speaker 1: attract those job producers, those who can contribute to society economically,
Speaker 1: et cetera. Why in the world wouldn't you take advantage
Speaker 1: of that. And it's not to suggest that they're automatically
Speaker 1: a better person because they're wealthy than somebody who may
Speaker 1: have no money and is seeking refuge here. It may
Speaker 1: very well be the person with no money is the
Speaker 1: better human being. But you've got to make sure everybody
Speaker 1: meets those matches, that vetting and meets the criteria to
Speaker 1: come here, whether they're poor or whether they're rich. But
Speaker 1: why not work at both ends of the spectrum and
Speaker 1: be attracting as many job producers as you can And
Speaker 1: then Ryan, if this program happens, I hope that the
Speaker 1: money from it, then it could be very large. I
Speaker 1: hope it's put toward a very specific purpose, whether it's
Speaker 1: building schools or whatever, rather than just go into you know,
Speaker 1: the general fund. But I'm intrigued by it, and I
Speaker 1: really like the fact Trump has all these fresh ideas,
Speaker 1: and I don't agree with every single one of them,
Speaker 1: but I agree with a lot of them. And it's
Speaker 1: just we know, right, it's going to be this fresh thinking,
Speaker 1: these fresh ideas that save the country.
Speaker 3: And these will be job creators that come here, Dan,
Speaker 3: who pay a living wage rather than what we heard
Speaker 3: Promila Jaya Paul talking about having illegals come here being
Speaker 3: paid under the table, not a living wage, undercutting working
Speaker 3: American wages has the exact opposite effect.
Speaker 1: On our economy what he's proposing here. Trump, Yeah, and
Speaker 1: a good point. It brings us back to this core truth,
Speaker 1: which is that the Democrats. I don't care if it's
Speaker 1: you know, Colorado Democrats, et cetera, but the people really
Speaker 1: in power in the Democratic Party do not want most
Speaker 1: people to prosper because they understand the data that once
Speaker 1: most people start making more than X, and I think
Speaker 1: X right now is probably in the sixty five thousand range,
Speaker 1: I'd want to double check it, then a majority are
Speaker 1: going to vote Republicans. So the left has a desperate,
Speaker 1: selfish interest in most people not prospering. So I've labeled
Speaker 1: it the fighting for scraps party, and that's what the
Speaker 1: Democratic Party at the Colorado and national level are all about.
Speaker 1: Keep people fighting for scraps dependent on government, because if
Speaker 1: all of a sudden we have something like true school choice,
Speaker 1: it just unleashes it, right, and all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: all these people have been forced into a cycle of
Speaker 1: poverty by the Democrats have a chance to reach their
Speaker 1: god given potential. Well, guess what, the modern left is dead,
Speaker 1: because then you've got all these people escaping that cycle
Speaker 1: of poverty or underperformance. Who now get to prosper and
Speaker 1: what happens when they prosper well? Most of them are
Speaker 1: going to become conservative. Yeah, so remarkable moment we live in. Hey,
Speaker 1: another great job, Brian, thank you for that, my friend
Speaker 1: very much appreciated Kelly as well. And Hey, can't wait
Speaker 1: for tomorrow. Can't believe it'll be Thursday already. Thanks for
Speaker 1: your time today. Please join us tomorrow on The Dan
Speaker 1: Kapla Show