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<v Speaker 1>Weird thing happened. Weird, weird, weird.

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<v Speaker 2>Hello, everybody, Welcome to Bledsoe said, so, I want to

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<v Speaker 2>talk about the Tibetan Book of the Dead tonight. And honestly,

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<v Speaker 2>it was just going to be a general episode about

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<v Speaker 2>the afterlife and purgatory and my thoughts and uh beliefs

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<v Speaker 2>on what happens next. And as I started getting deeper

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<v Speaker 2>into this, I realized there was so much intrigue with

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<v Speaker 2>the Tibetan Book of the Dead that I decided I

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<v Speaker 2>wanted to narrow my focus on this, and maybe we

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<v Speaker 2>could even expand more in later episodes about other systems

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<v Speaker 2>of death in the afterlife, like maybe the Egyptian Book

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<v Speaker 2>of the Dead or the Book of Coming forth by day. Also,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe we could look into like the Catholic model of

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<v Speaker 2>death and purgatory and things like the Divine Comedy or

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<v Speaker 2>popularly known as Dante's Inferno, because I think that's a

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<v Speaker 2>very interesting story and we find in that, in my view,

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<v Speaker 2>that there's a relation between specifically the Divine Comedy and

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<v Speaker 2>the description of navigating the circles of hell and what

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<v Speaker 2>it's like being in the layers of Bardo. According to

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<v Speaker 2>the Tibetan Book of the Dead. So as I got

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<v Speaker 2>to digging into this topic, I thought it would be

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<v Speaker 2>one episode, and I realized it could be many episodes

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<v Speaker 2>talking about death and the transition of that passage into

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<v Speaker 2>the afterlife. So I was like, oh, you know, let's

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<v Speaker 2>just start here and see where it goes. And I

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<v Speaker 2>also found I've actually been putting this off for a

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<v Speaker 2>few months. Alex had an idea two or three maybe

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<v Speaker 2>even three months ago that was like, we should do

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<v Speaker 2>an episode on purgatory, and I was like, I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know if I'm ready for that. It's a great idea,

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<v Speaker 2>but I just don't know how it fits right now.

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<v Speaker 2>So I kept pushing it back and pushing it back

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<v Speaker 2>and pushing it back. And I think, Alex, you wanted

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<v Speaker 2>me to more or less at least acknowledge that we've

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<v Speaker 2>been on a generational run since October. I believe where

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<v Speaker 2>I haven't explicitly said this out loud on the show,

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<v Speaker 2>but every topic we've done in the last however many months,

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<v Speaker 2>has been since October. I've very, very intentionally been pulling

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<v Speaker 2>a thread going between these topics with a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>thoughtful consideration. They've not been random like oftentimes in the

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<v Speaker 2>past when we're like, what are we talk about this week?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, Star Wars? You know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not been random, and it's actually been a very

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<v Speaker 2>intentional thread of things that I've want to discuss that

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<v Speaker 2>I believe lead from one thing into the next. And

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<v Speaker 2>that's why I kept pushing The after or the purgatory

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<v Speaker 2>was how it was first presented, So I kept pushing

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<v Speaker 2>that back for months, maybe since November. I was like,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just not ready for that. And then a few

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<v Speaker 2>weeks ago I said, wait a minute, but we could

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<v Speaker 2>expand that conversation. It could be about the afterlife more generally,

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<v Speaker 2>and that includes purgatory. So I was thinking, yeah, so

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<v Speaker 2>I'll just focus on the afterlife. And then as I

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<v Speaker 2>started investigating for the first time I ever mind you,

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<v Speaker 2>I've never read the Tibetan Book of the Dead. Once

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<v Speaker 2>I read it today and then started diving it more

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<v Speaker 2>into it, I realized, this is a profound It's every

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<v Speaker 2>bit as profound as they say, but it's another thing

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<v Speaker 2>entirely when you read it firsthand as always of course,

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<v Speaker 2>and I realized, wow, this is perfectly on the thread.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not an afterlife or a purgatory episode, but it's

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<v Speaker 2>deeper than that. It's yeah, yeah, So I guess I'll

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<v Speaker 2>just get into it. But before we start the topic,

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<v Speaker 2>I have a few things that I need to mention.

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<v Speaker 2>Starting off with my friend Melissa Caine from Wisconsin. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not sure what city she lives in, but she is

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<v Speaker 2>hosting and Delavan Wisconsin the Contact Modalities XPO. This year's

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<v Speaker 2>theme is going to be Harmonic Ascension twenty twenty six.

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<v Speaker 2>There's going to be thirty to forty presenters at the

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<v Speaker 2>very same location as last time. So folks who have

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<v Speaker 2>been there and are in the know, you already know

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<v Speaker 2>that it's this incredible, beautiful cabin resort on Lake Lawn.

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<v Speaker 2>Is that right? That sounds right, Lake Lawn on lake

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<v Speaker 2>something like that. There's fricking hundreds of lakes in Wisconsin

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<v Speaker 2>and they're huge and they're amazing. But the conference is amazing.

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<v Speaker 2>There's going to be multiple sky watches, four to be exact,

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<v Speaker 2>three of which can be accessed three purchasing a ticket,

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<v Speaker 2>and then the fourth one we're going to be doing

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<v Speaker 2>a giveaway, and this is a private VIP SkyWatch where

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<v Speaker 2>the forty exclusive participants will be busted off location to

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<v Speaker 2>a secret area to do a more intimate SkyWatch experience.

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<v Speaker 2>So there's going to be up to four skywatches, with

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<v Speaker 2>the first three being general public, and they handle tiers

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<v Speaker 2>of tickets to pay very careful attention. If you want

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<v Speaker 2>to do the SkyWatch with my dad and with Alex

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<v Speaker 2>and with my siblings, look at the ticket tiers and

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<v Speaker 2>make sure that that benefit is on there. There's going

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<v Speaker 2>to be some other amazing presenters in addition to my dad.

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<v Speaker 2>Alex will be there, my siblings, but very good friends

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<v Speaker 2>of mine and people that I love, like Megan solar Glow,

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<v Speaker 2>She's been on the show. Dahlia Overgone and her daughter,

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<v Speaker 2>they'll be there. Diane Hennessy Powell a friend of mine

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm a huge fan of hers. It goes multiple

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<v Speaker 2>ways there how I consider her a friend, but I'll

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<v Speaker 2>so I consider myself a fan, you know. So I'm

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<v Speaker 2>just saying, these are people that you don't want to miss.

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<v Speaker 2>And there's so many more with things like sound bowls,

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<v Speaker 2>gong baths, DMT, psychedelic experts, chigong practitioners, remote viewing, mindsight

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<v Speaker 2>with Dalia, telepathy with her daughter. It goes on and on.

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<v Speaker 2>You don't want to miss this. Hit me with the website,

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<v Speaker 2>alex Contact Modalities, XPO dot com. Awesome, oh, honorable mention,

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<v Speaker 2>spoon bending, dowsing. I'm a big fan of dowsing and pendulum.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm also a big fan of pendulum. I like to

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<v Speaker 2>use a pendulum for dowsing. Right, they're interchangeable. But anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>and then the last few things I want to talk

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<v Speaker 2>about here, I know is just that you know, we've

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<v Speaker 2>got these things that we got to hit before we

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<v Speaker 2>get on track.

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<v Speaker 3>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>It might even be out by the time this episode

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I just wanted your blessing before it showed off.

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<v Speaker 4>So dude, it was your idea items here. Well, I

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so maybe if all things go according to plan.

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<v Speaker 2>at our Patreon very soon. Wow. That was fricking wordy dude,

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<v Speaker 2>eight minutes. I guess we're professional.

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<v Speaker 3>Now.

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<v Speaker 2>We're getting to that point where I got to keep

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<v Speaker 2>everything wrong with It's getting longer and longer and longer.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, It's okay, everybody, every program does this at

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<v Speaker 2>a certain level, all right, Tibetan Book of the Dead.

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<v Speaker 2>So I thought it would be like, I talk about

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<v Speaker 2>it a little bit, here's the you know, the key highlights,

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<v Speaker 2>and then move on to the Egyptian Book of the Dead,

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<v Speaker 2>and if I had time, I'd move on to something else.

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<v Speaker 2>And the more I got into the Tibetan Book of

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<v Speaker 2>the Dead, I realized that it was every bit as

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<v Speaker 2>profound as the hype that I have been hearing over

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<v Speaker 2>the years. And I've always been curious about Tibetan Buddhism,

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<v Speaker 2>but not really having an idea of like where to

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<v Speaker 2>begin and why it's so profound compare to like other

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<v Speaker 2>versions of Buddhism. It's just so new to me and

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<v Speaker 2>unfamiliar because I grew up from a very Western Christian

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<v Speaker 2>lens without any sort of exposure to Eastern mystical practices

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<v Speaker 2>until my adult life. And then looking at that is

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<v Speaker 2>like literally trying to learn another language. It's all words

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<v Speaker 2>and you know, Sanskrit or Hindi or whatever other language

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<v Speaker 2>that I'm like, I don't even know what any of

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<v Speaker 2>this stuff means, but there's something about it that fascinates me.

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<v Speaker 2>Where do I begin? You know what I'm saying. It's

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<v Speaker 2>like you need a Rosetta stone to translate all of

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<v Speaker 2>these things to And then again it's like there's thousands

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<v Speaker 2>of years of history that you don't really learn about there,

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<v Speaker 2>and the creation of these systems and how they offshoot

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<v Speaker 2>into other systems. Long story short, a very good friend

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<v Speaker 2>and a mentor of mine distilled it to me in

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<v Speaker 2>a recent conversation. You know, if you want to expand

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<v Speaker 2>upon your rule of life and up your meditation practice,

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<v Speaker 2>something that you should look into is Vadrayana Buddhism or

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<v Speaker 2>Tantra protocols or what is also known as jog chin

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<v Speaker 2>the rainbow light body, the rainbow body, the light body,

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<v Speaker 2>it's the same thing. I was like, Okay, yeah, these

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<v Speaker 2>are things that I've always thought were interesting, but that

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<v Speaker 2>narrows my focus a bit. So I started diving into

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<v Speaker 2>rabbit holes after that conversation last week, and it took

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<v Speaker 2>me down the path to Shaivism, which I'm not going

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<v Speaker 2>to at length talk about today. I want to do

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<v Speaker 2>a whole other episode about that in Tantra and more

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<v Speaker 2>specifically expand upon Tantra. But what I found very curious

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<v Speaker 2>was this notion that there is a connection between Shivik Hinduism,

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<v Speaker 2>which is basically Shiva as the supreme being. So Shivik

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<v Speaker 2>Hindu Hinduism and Tibetan Buddhist them all being systems of

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<v Speaker 2>Tantric philosophy, either Tantric yoga as is discussed and uh

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<v Speaker 2>Hinduism or Tantrik Buddhism. Right, So I'm like, Tantra, Tantra, Tantra,

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<v Speaker 2>what the heck is this Tantra? So I've had a

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<v Speaker 2>limited I, like many in the past, I used to

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<v Speaker 2>think that tantra was just a sex thing. Right, that's

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, even me, I'm guilty of that. Like earlier

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<v Speaker 2>in the show, I've made jokes about Tantra for shock value,

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<v Speaker 2>because back then I was all about shock value. But

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<v Speaker 2>I've made jokes about Tantra and and tried to you know,

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<v Speaker 2>throw that out there, and and but now I understand

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<v Speaker 2>that that's that's not the complete picture. That the sexual

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<v Speaker 2>small contained portion compared to the whole system and philosophy.

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<v Speaker 2>So there's a thread that we've been following on the

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<v Speaker 2>It's a it's a it's a directory. You could think

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<v Speaker 2>about like a hidden directory. No, I'm just I'm just

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<v Speaker 2>to really impress upon the viewer. I've talked about immanation

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<v Speaker 2>theology several episodes back, right, So I've been pulling this

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<v Speaker 2>why does the Tibetan Book of the Dead have anything

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<v Speaker 2>With egregers, with thought forms, with the toll tech or

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<v Speaker 2>of Western alchemical traditions. Rumor has it that rumor being

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<v Speaker 2>purported by members of the Theosophical tradition, namely Helena Blovotsky.

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<v Speaker 2>mean that everything she said is wrong. I think some

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<v Speaker 2>to get to the point. According to that tradition, Tibet

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<v Speaker 2>spirit of America, the spirit of America is still alive today, right,

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<v Speaker 2>less some sort of cultural entity of this land. Well, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>so the spirit of Atlantis, so to speak, after the

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<v Speaker 2>fall according to the tradition of theosophy, moved to Tibet

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<v Speaker 2>a long time ago. They say it as like Shangri

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<v Speaker 2>La or Shambala or whatever. And then after so many

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<v Speaker 2>the spirit of Atlantis, at one point or another migrated

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<v Speaker 2>much profound wisdom and practicality to the Betan Buddhist system.

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<v Speaker 2>If that makes sense. And the deeper you pull this thread,

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<v Speaker 2>you begin to realize that the philosophy and the cosmonology

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<v Speaker 2>of Tibetan Buddhism is very similar to everything we've been discussing,

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<v Speaker 2>like the alchemical model of reality, just the whole Western

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<v Speaker 2>esoteric model, that there really is a synthesis between the two,

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<v Speaker 2>and that reality is basically many different layers of thought,

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<v Speaker 2>that reality is empty nothingness that exists within the mind,

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<v Speaker 2>and that the different layers of being are separated by

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<v Speaker 2>bardos Right, bardos, what are Bardos actually wrote the definition

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<v Speaker 2>bardo is a key concept in Tibetan Buddhism, meaning intermediate state, gap, transition,

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<v Speaker 2>in between, or liminal state. It refers to any transitional

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<v Speaker 2>phase or interval between two states of existence wre things

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<v Speaker 2>are neither fully one thing nor the other, a period

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<v Speaker 2>of potential instability, opportunity, transformation. So mind to wake, body

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<v Speaker 2>of sleep would be a bardo. Yeah between no, yes, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>that's exactly right. Transitional gaps where the familiar dissolves, creating

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<v Speaker 2>groundlessness and heightened potential. Karma, habitual patterns and mindfulness determine

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<v Speaker 2>the outcome. There are three bardowes of the lot of

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<v Speaker 2>the living, and then three bardowes of the dead, so

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<v Speaker 2>there's six total comprising all of reality. We'll go into those, right.

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<v Speaker 2>The most interesting part to me that really jumped out

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<v Speaker 2>three bardowes at every level. So the Tibetan Book of

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<v Speaker 2>the Dead was and it's an actual text that and

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<v Speaker 2>it's still used today. Not only did it have the

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<v Speaker 2>this might be wrong to say, but like the cosmological

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<v Speaker 2>model of death, right like the actual process of passing

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<v Speaker 2>into death. But it's a funerary text in the sense

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<v Speaker 2>that as someone is dying, Tibetan monks would read it

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<v Speaker 2>to them to assist them in passing into the bardow,

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<v Speaker 2>into that first barrow of death. And if you get

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<v Speaker 2>there after death, or you wait until after death, then

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<v Speaker 2>the belief is that there are four days that the

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<v Speaker 2>So what a what A what's the word like a

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<v Speaker 2>ear and they would crouch down and they would recite

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<v Speaker 2>the various prayers and mantras into the ear of the

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<v Speaker 2>be guided in the afterlife to where they need to go.

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<v Speaker 2>So there are the first three bartos. I don't want

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<v Speaker 2>to get ahead of myself. Before I get into that,

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<v Speaker 2>down here right. Vadriyana or Tantrik Buddhism also known as

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<v Speaker 2>Tibetan Buddhism, major branch of Mahayana Buddhism that developed in Tibet,

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<v Speaker 2>incorporating elements from Indian Tantra. We already discussed that a

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not sure what that means. Maybe I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>Tantra refers to the esoteric traditions within Hinduism and Buddhism

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<v Speaker 2>that emerged around the fifth to seventh century CE in India,

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<v Speaker 2>emphasizing rapid paths to enlightenment through ritual, symbol transformative practices.

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<v Speaker 2>Here we go, This is what I wanted to get to.

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<v Speaker 2>At the core of Tantra and Tibetan Buddhism are several

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<v Speaker 2>interconnective principles to guide practitioners toward enlightenment. So emptiness all

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<v Speaker 2>this is illusion right, and are interdependent. Realizing this emptiness

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<v Speaker 2>cuts through the root of suffering revealing the illusory nation

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<v Speaker 2>of separation between self and other. We are not separate, right,

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<v Speaker 2>and this opens up a whole lot of implications, like

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<v Speaker 2>Because we are not separate, we are one, and that

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<v Speaker 2>in illusion. We have to act with wisdom, compassion, and kindness.

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<v Speaker 2>This nondual view affirms that reality is beyond opposites, where

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<v Speaker 2>individual and cosmic selves are one. Buddha nature is inherent

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<v Speaker 2>in every sentient being, and you possess the innate potential

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<v Speaker 2>for full enlightenment, described as the primordial radio consciousness, inseparable

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<v Speaker 2>from all of the Buddhas. This is often linked to

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<v Speaker 2>the clear light mind, which we will discuss in a bit,

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<v Speaker 2>the subtlest mental continuum that serves as the basis for transformation.

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<v Speaker 2>Tantra views this as the source of all teachings, emphasizing

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<v Speaker 2>the refinement of body, speech, and mind into their pure

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<v Speaker 2>enlightened forms, the three kayas, the Dharma Kaya, the sambo

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<v Speaker 2>Ga Kaya, and the Normana Kaya, and then the unity

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<v Speaker 2>of wisdom and compassion. Enlightenment arises from uniting passive wisdom

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<v Speaker 2>of those two opposite forces, the wisdom, the passive principle right,

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<v Speaker 2>the experience, and then the active, skillful use of wisdom, kindness, compassion,

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<v Speaker 2>love towards others brings enlightenment. This is symbolized in Tantric

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<v Speaker 2>art and practice by the union of the male and

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<v Speaker 2>as through the dakinis or the spiritual beings and the

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<v Speaker 2>divine shock t that animates all reality. And I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>Tantra in greater detail, about Shaivism being basically Shiva being

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<v Speaker 2>known as the supreme God, the supreme mind right, and

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<v Speaker 2>then shock t being the first manifest form that animates

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<v Speaker 2>the living, breathing world. Sound familiar. Shocked t is the feminine,

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<v Speaker 2>by the way, karma is foundational, influencing rebirth and suffering

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<v Speaker 2>in Samsara Tantra teaches that ordinary experiences, including desires and emotions,

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<v Speaker 2>can be transformed into paths for spiritual growth rather than suppressed.

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<v Speaker 2>This left hand path uses intense methods to awaken energies

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<v Speaker 2>and the right hand path is understood in Western esoteric tradition,

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<v Speaker 2>it's basically the same, and it actually comes from Tantra.

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<v Speaker 2>It's the first ever mention of this probably in human history,

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<v Speaker 2>where it's understood that the right hand path is through enlightenment.

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<v Speaker 2>It's through kindness, achieving bliss, serenity, and the awakening of

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<v Speaker 2>and then the left hand path is through things that

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<v Speaker 2>that you're seeking to get there quicker by breaking taboos.

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<v Speaker 2>all that dark stuff. That's the left hand path. And

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<v Speaker 2>you see a lot of uh tantra just in general

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<v Speaker 2>this like people think magic, they think, you know, they're

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<v Speaker 2>stuff that does happen. But that's not all of it.

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<v Speaker 2>That's one path, that's the left hand path, and then

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<v Speaker 2>you have the right hand path, which is more like

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<v Speaker 2>the Templars and the the Toltecs, we're talking about, right,

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<v Speaker 2>with it. So anyway, Tantra employees Mantra sacred sounds, Maudra's

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<v Speaker 2>mandala's deity visualizations to evoke cosmic forces, all to achieve

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<v Speaker 2>enlightenment in the quickest path. It's the unfolding of that

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<v Speaker 2>Buddha within right. This has passed orally from master to student,

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<v Speaker 2>emphasizing initiation and secrecy, and the goal is to recognize

415
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<v Speaker 2>the divine in the body and in everyday life. Now

416
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<v Speaker 2>we're going to start getting into some weird stuff here,

417
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<v Speaker 2>transcending delusions through direct experience. In Tibetan Buddhism, the universe

418
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<v Speaker 2>is viewed as a manifestation of enlightened mind, rather than

419
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<v Speaker 2>a separate material realm. The cosmosis scene is animated by

420
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<v Speaker 2>the divine energies, with all things interconnected and arising from emptiness.

421
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<v Speaker 2>Mandalas represent this as sacred diagrams of the universe, where

422
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<v Speaker 2>the practitioner's body mirrors the cosmic structure. So we have

423
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<v Speaker 2>as above, so below right. We have the notion here

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<v Speaker 2>that the actual body is a microcosm of the universe

425
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<v Speaker 2>as a whole, which is to be separate from I

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<v Speaker 2>can't remember the name of the Hindu tradition because just

427
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<v Speaker 2>like in Buddhism, there's like multiple different types of Buddhism.

428
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<v Speaker 2>There's there's Mahayana, there's Vadreyana, and then there's Theravana. And

429
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<v Speaker 2>then even in Christianity there's Catholicism, there's been a costal,

430
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<v Speaker 2>there's you know, there's all these different sects that believe

431
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<v Speaker 2>different things, but in one of the most popular forms

432
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<v Speaker 2>of Hinduism, they've got it all wrong. They're like, you

433
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<v Speaker 2>have to completely reject the body and the physical. It's

434
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<v Speaker 2>it's bad, you know that, you know, it's the spirit

435
00:28:24.160 --> 00:28:29.799
<v Speaker 2>world that's the only real thing. And then in Shaivism

436
00:28:30.200 --> 00:28:34.680
<v Speaker 2>or the equivalent being Vadriyana Tibetan Buddhism, they say, no, no, no,

437
00:28:34.720 --> 00:28:37.319
<v Speaker 2>the body is not bad. It's a part of this

438
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<v Speaker 2>whole story that the body is divine and it's actually

439
00:28:40.519 --> 00:28:44.400
<v Speaker 2>a reflection of the divine, that it's the microcosm of

440
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<v Speaker 2>the supreme being and the universe. Right, So you're working

441
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<v Speaker 2>with a lot of subtle body energy in tantra, doing

442
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<v Speaker 2>meditations to transmute the energies of the subtle body as

443
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<v Speaker 2>opposed to like rejecting the flesh and trying to be

444
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<v Speaker 2>ancient and just you know, like empty your mind, empty

445
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<v Speaker 2>your mind. There's there's benefit to that. But this isn't

446
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<v Speaker 2>like that. It's it's more so like to me, it's

447
00:29:09.599 --> 00:29:13.279
<v Speaker 2>more real. The body's not evil, it's it's it's created

448
00:29:13.279 --> 00:29:16.559
<v Speaker 2>in the image of the divine. It's the microcosm of

449
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<v Speaker 2>of you know, the supreme.

450
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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, no, that's beautiful.

451
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<v Speaker 4>I've begun to think of more and more kind of

452
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<v Speaker 4>in the ego, but begun to think of the body

453
00:29:26.559 --> 00:29:29.240
<v Speaker 4>and the ego, which are kind of the two main

454
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<v Speaker 4>things we have going on here as tools and kind

455
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<v Speaker 4>of reframing them, at least in my mind, as tools,

456
00:29:35.640 --> 00:29:41.400
<v Speaker 4>kind of reframes how they should be treated like like.

457
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<v Speaker 3>And and I'm kind of I kind of.

458
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<v Speaker 2>Disagree with with the people who are like.

459
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<v Speaker 3>You need to remove ego.

460
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<v Speaker 4>No, you need to realize it as a tool to

461
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<v Speaker 4>use in this reality where you have to refine it

462
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<v Speaker 4>as in understand and going back to last episode, right,

463
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<v Speaker 4>the constant self reflection, understanding and separating ego, orfining it

464
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<v Speaker 4>as a tool and letting it work for you for

465
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<v Speaker 4>what it was created to do. Yeah, that makes the

466
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<v Speaker 4>same thing with the body. But like, obviously treat your

467
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<v Speaker 4>body right, it's a tool.

468
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and same with the ego And we're going to

469
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<v Speaker 2>talk a little bit about that too, and the death

470
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<v Speaker 2>cycle according to the Tibetan Book of the Dead. But yeah,

471
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<v Speaker 2>it's not like if you destroyed the ego. And I've

472
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<v Speaker 2>thought that at one but I think this is a

473
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<v Speaker 2>very nuanced subject.

474
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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

475
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<v Speaker 4>I also just don't want to fault anybody if that's

476
00:30:38.640 --> 00:30:44.279
<v Speaker 4>because like in reflection here, right, we both were team

477
00:30:44.359 --> 00:30:47.519
<v Speaker 4>get rid of the ego. I don't want to speak

478
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<v Speaker 4>for you. I was, and along my path I've this

479
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<v Speaker 4>is where I'm at now. I'm not saying I'm better

480
00:30:54.039 --> 00:30:56.359
<v Speaker 4>off or worse off or whatever, but it's just become

481
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<v Speaker 4>it's part of what I've learned and kind of adopted

482
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<v Speaker 4>as a long journey.

483
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, the ego is something that it's like

484
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<v Speaker 2>it has to be reduced the the part. Okay, let me,

485
00:31:10.960 --> 00:31:14.319
<v Speaker 2>let me refine the thoughts that are swirling around in

486
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<v Speaker 2>my head to say what I actually mean right when unchecked,

487
00:31:21.000 --> 00:31:25.720
<v Speaker 2>the ego will keep you in delusion that it is

488
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<v Speaker 2>a part of a system designed to i think, filter

489
00:31:33.799 --> 00:31:39.880
<v Speaker 2>higher truths and inner realizations and keep you in false

490
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<v Speaker 2>cycles or as we talk about here, and we're going

491
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<v Speaker 2>to discuss soon sam Sara, which is the infinite cycle

492
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<v Speaker 2>of birth and death. According to this system, it's like

493
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<v Speaker 2>you're just in an endless cycle of birth, death, birth death,

494
00:31:55.880 --> 00:31:59.119
<v Speaker 2>birth death, and even after death, you're you're in cycles

495
00:31:59.119 --> 00:32:02.359
<v Speaker 2>in the in the death worlds, and and then if

496
00:32:02.400 --> 00:32:04.000
<v Speaker 2>you don't you can break the cycle. Here you can

497
00:32:04.000 --> 00:32:06.720
<v Speaker 2>break the cycle. There the whole point of it, how

498
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<v Speaker 2>do you do how do you escape samsara? How do

499
00:32:08.880 --> 00:32:12.000
<v Speaker 2>you achieve nirvana? Or I think they call it moksha

500
00:32:12.240 --> 00:32:19.720
<v Speaker 2>as well, is you realize your true nature, which is

501
00:32:19.759 --> 00:32:26.000
<v Speaker 2>you are pure mind, You're you're pure being of divine

502
00:32:26.039 --> 00:32:30.680
<v Speaker 2>that that you are just here in the illusory world,

503
00:32:30.920 --> 00:32:35.319
<v Speaker 2>and that you are infinite pure bliss. You realize that

504
00:32:35.359 --> 00:32:39.400
<v Speaker 2>the mind is illusory, that everything is illusory, and it's

505
00:32:39.400 --> 00:32:42.279
<v Speaker 2>even deeper than that. Right, So when you die, you

506
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<v Speaker 2>go through the different layers of bardo. Like I said,

507
00:32:45.440 --> 00:32:50.200
<v Speaker 2>in life there's three. There's the place, but from from

508
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<v Speaker 2>when you're born and you take your first breath until death.

509
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<v Speaker 2>That's the first liminal space. That's the first bardo. The illusion, right,

510
00:32:59.799 --> 00:33:02.920
<v Speaker 2>the life that you live while you're awake, that's the

511
00:33:03.000 --> 00:33:08.000
<v Speaker 2>first illusion. The second one is when you dream, and

512
00:33:08.039 --> 00:33:10.799
<v Speaker 2>they get into practices like dream yoga and learning to

513
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<v Speaker 2>be awake and aware in the dreams, like the egypt

514
00:33:16.519 --> 00:33:19.839
<v Speaker 2>all about hey, I'm probably more flexible in my dream. Well,

515
00:33:19.839 --> 00:33:22.599
<v Speaker 2>it doesn't have to be yoga. The point is, I

516
00:33:22.640 --> 00:33:26.640
<v Speaker 2>mean the Gnostics practice practice this, the Egyptians practice this.

517
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<v Speaker 2>It's all about lucid dreaming. It's all about learning to

518
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<v Speaker 2>be awake in your dreams, right, Two, because even in

519
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<v Speaker 2>your dreams you can awaken. And then the third one,

520
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<v Speaker 2>I think is in the deep meditative state which you

521
00:33:42.200 --> 00:33:45.319
<v Speaker 2>were talking about mind awake, body of sleep, that there's

522
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<v Speaker 2>the third bardo in the in the living world, which

523
00:33:50.039 --> 00:33:53.480
<v Speaker 2>is when you achieve certain higher states of consciousness, you

524
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<v Speaker 2>begin to realize that the world is illusory. And then

525
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<v Speaker 2>when you pass into death, there's three more bordos.

526
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<v Speaker 3>So, just to.

527
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<v Speaker 4>Simplify it from my small mind, alive one, awake while asleep,

528
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<v Speaker 4>two a sleep wall awake three.

529
00:34:14.559 --> 00:34:17.719
<v Speaker 2>I guess that's one way you could say it. Okay, Yeah,

530
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<v Speaker 2>that's a way of looking at it. And the whole

531
00:34:20.880 --> 00:34:24.079
<v Speaker 2>point of this, the whole thing is like wake up.

532
00:34:24.800 --> 00:34:30.000
<v Speaker 2>The reason that the that the the monks would like

533
00:34:30.079 --> 00:34:32.519
<v Speaker 2>if someone died and they would come and they would

534
00:34:32.559 --> 00:34:34.280
<v Speaker 2>bring the Tibetan Book of the Dead. Obviously to them

535
00:34:34.280 --> 00:34:35.920
<v Speaker 2>it's just the Book of the dead. It's not called

536
00:34:35.960 --> 00:34:40.119
<v Speaker 2>the Tibetan Book of the Dead. But they would bring

537
00:34:40.159 --> 00:34:42.639
<v Speaker 2>the Book of the Dead, and I think they even

538
00:34:42.639 --> 00:34:45.280
<v Speaker 2>call it something else, right, but and and they would

539
00:34:45.440 --> 00:34:47.159
<v Speaker 2>they would read it and they would flip through like,

540
00:34:47.719 --> 00:34:49.880
<v Speaker 2>oh shit, there's fluid leaking out of his ears. He's

541
00:34:49.880 --> 00:34:52.840
<v Speaker 2>at this stage, you know, seriously, it goes into all that,

542
00:34:53.000 --> 00:34:56.280
<v Speaker 2>like down to when he takes his last breath. This

543
00:34:56.440 --> 00:34:58.800
<v Speaker 2>is what he's seeing in his mind's eye. And there's

544
00:34:58.920 --> 00:35:04.920
<v Speaker 2>different that are to be read at the different stages,

545
00:35:05.199 --> 00:35:07.880
<v Speaker 2>because at each of those stages, down to when you

546
00:35:07.920 --> 00:35:11.440
<v Speaker 2>take your last breath and then your consciousness leaves the

547
00:35:11.440 --> 00:35:14.840
<v Speaker 2>physical body you go into that you stay around the

548
00:35:14.880 --> 00:35:18.360
<v Speaker 2>body for a while. And that's commonly believed in other

549
00:35:18.400 --> 00:35:20.960
<v Speaker 2>systems too, like they say, you know, three days after death,

550
00:35:21.239 --> 00:35:23.159
<v Speaker 2>you know, I felt their presence stuff like that, right,

551
00:35:23.760 --> 00:35:26.199
<v Speaker 2>But in this system it's I think it's four days.

552
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<v Speaker 2>It's said that the body is the consciousness is near

553
00:35:29.880 --> 00:35:34.280
<v Speaker 2>the body, and that it's there that even there it's

554
00:35:35.400 --> 00:35:38.159
<v Speaker 2>able to awaken your it being your consciousness, that it's

555
00:35:38.199 --> 00:35:43.559
<v Speaker 2>able to awaken, it's able to renounce the illusion. And

556
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<v Speaker 2>then when you pass through into the next bardo. Well,

557
00:35:47.840 --> 00:35:50.440
<v Speaker 2>I'm getting ahead of myself, but to summarize, it's like

558
00:35:52.039 --> 00:35:56.480
<v Speaker 2>you enter into the pure state of the clear light

559
00:35:56.519 --> 00:36:01.360
<v Speaker 2>of the mind. It's like a cloudless sky, and even there,

560
00:36:01.800 --> 00:36:05.400
<v Speaker 2>at each of these bardoes. It's like a test, even

561
00:36:05.440 --> 00:36:07.440
<v Speaker 2>even in death. It's like a test, right, And it's like,

562
00:36:07.519 --> 00:36:11.280
<v Speaker 2>what will you believe because now you're in the astral world,

563
00:36:12.239 --> 00:36:14.760
<v Speaker 2>they say the Bardo. But I'm a Western guy, right,

564
00:36:14.840 --> 00:36:17.639
<v Speaker 2>So you're in the astral world, so it's like you're

565
00:36:17.639 --> 00:36:20.039
<v Speaker 2>not so bound to the laws of the physical universe.

566
00:36:20.079 --> 00:36:22.199
<v Speaker 2>So you can think and you'll be there. You can

567
00:36:22.679 --> 00:36:25.920
<v Speaker 2>pass through walls, you can you can uh, you can

568
00:36:25.960 --> 00:36:29.079
<v Speaker 2>phase through, you can you can check on everybody that's

569
00:36:29.280 --> 00:36:33.679
<v Speaker 2>near your body, right. But for example, what they would

570
00:36:33.719 --> 00:36:36.599
<v Speaker 2>do is if there was people in the room crying

571
00:36:36.599 --> 00:36:39.079
<v Speaker 2>when you died a serious month, they would remove them

572
00:36:39.519 --> 00:36:42.519
<v Speaker 2>because they know that when your consciousness has left the

573
00:36:42.519 --> 00:36:45.960
<v Speaker 2>body that it might be very distressed and tempted by illusion.

574
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<v Speaker 2>If like, for example, your mom is crying over your corpse,

575
00:36:49.480 --> 00:36:52.039
<v Speaker 2>you might mess with your head, your astral head be like,

576
00:36:52.079 --> 00:36:54.199
<v Speaker 2>oh God, this is I can't process you know what

577
00:36:54.239 --> 00:36:56.880
<v Speaker 2>I'm saying. And the whole point was to help assist

578
00:36:56.920 --> 00:36:58.719
<v Speaker 2>you through the illusion so that you wake up and

579
00:36:58.719 --> 00:37:01.320
<v Speaker 2>you don't have to reincarnate. So here in a bit

580
00:37:01.360 --> 00:37:04.880
<v Speaker 2>we'll go into that those layers of bardoes and what

581
00:37:04.920 --> 00:37:05.320
<v Speaker 2>it's like.

582
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<v Speaker 4>But so can I ask, like a cultural question kind

583
00:37:11.000 --> 00:37:16.480
<v Speaker 4>of here, is this for everybody? What I'm talking about

584
00:37:16.559 --> 00:37:18.519
<v Speaker 4>is when the monk would and I don't know if

585
00:37:18.559 --> 00:37:20.719
<v Speaker 4>you know the answer, but when the monk showed up

586
00:37:20.840 --> 00:37:26.159
<v Speaker 4>to do this ritual. Is this reserved for people who

587
00:37:26.480 --> 00:37:29.000
<v Speaker 4>were on the path? Is this reserved for only monks?

588
00:37:29.039 --> 00:37:30.280
<v Speaker 4>It's just for everybody?

589
00:37:30.920 --> 00:37:33.639
<v Speaker 2>Good question. Yeah, that I don't know the answer to. Okay,

590
00:37:33.760 --> 00:37:36.320
<v Speaker 2>I'll look it up. Yeah, and let me know what

591
00:37:36.360 --> 00:37:39.239
<v Speaker 2>you find. I would assume it's for everybody, But circumstantially

592
00:37:39.280 --> 00:37:41.840
<v Speaker 2>it doesn't always happen, right. It's not like it's for

593
00:37:41.960 --> 00:37:44.480
<v Speaker 2>you know, kings or something. It's this is the process.

594
00:37:44.559 --> 00:37:47.760
<v Speaker 2>This is And again it's like maybe some people don't

595
00:37:47.760 --> 00:37:52.519
<v Speaker 2>believe in this process. Maybe this was a loved one

596
00:37:52.559 --> 00:37:55.280
<v Speaker 2>of this guru or this monk, and they want to

597
00:37:55.320 --> 00:37:59.880
<v Speaker 2>personally assist them. I don't know. You know, Also, like

598
00:38:00.079 --> 00:38:01.800
<v Speaker 2>you know, people die in battle or people have a

599
00:38:01.840 --> 00:38:03.760
<v Speaker 2>heart attack and they're out in the field. This isn't

600
00:38:03.800 --> 00:38:06.599
<v Speaker 2>always going to be I.

601
00:38:06.480 --> 00:38:09.159
<v Speaker 4>Was wondering if this is like the cultural equivalent of

602
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<v Speaker 4>like requesting the priest to the hospital.

603
00:38:14.960 --> 00:38:17.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, for sure, but this is uh, yeah, it's the

604
00:38:17.880 --> 00:38:18.719
<v Speaker 2>same concept.

605
00:38:18.920 --> 00:38:23.400
<v Speaker 4>Just an entirely culturally different view of dying.

606
00:38:23.840 --> 00:38:27.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, it's to pass help people pass through through

607
00:38:27.880 --> 00:38:35.320
<v Speaker 2>the void peacefully. All right, So the universe is considered

608
00:38:35.440 --> 00:38:38.400
<v Speaker 2>a manifestation of the enlightened mind. Oh, I think I

609
00:38:38.400 --> 00:38:43.639
<v Speaker 2>already read this part, didn't I? The cosmosis seen as animating.

610
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<v Speaker 2>Could you want to crack that door so my cat

611
00:38:45.159 --> 00:38:48.239
<v Speaker 2>doesn't go crazy? Sorry if you guys hear Delilag going nuts.

612
00:38:49.280 --> 00:38:54.039
<v Speaker 2>The universe is animated by divine energies, right. All things

613
00:38:54.079 --> 00:38:57.519
<v Speaker 2>are interconnected, like the Force, like the Holy Spirit, like

614
00:38:58.639 --> 00:39:02.840
<v Speaker 2>the ruoc. It's very The reason I'm so excited about

615
00:39:02.880 --> 00:39:07.320
<v Speaker 2>this is because there are very, very minute parallels between

616
00:39:07.719 --> 00:39:12.920
<v Speaker 2>the Western esoteric wisdom traditions and this system. It's like

617
00:39:13.000 --> 00:39:17.840
<v Speaker 2>they are cognates of each other. The cosmology is more

618
00:39:17.960 --> 00:39:20.920
<v Speaker 2>or less the same. It's emanation theology. It's the pan

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00:39:20.960 --> 00:39:28.679
<v Speaker 2>psychic idealism, it's panintheism. It's the same. The cosmic trinity

620
00:39:28.719 --> 00:39:32.840
<v Speaker 2>is there, right, They just have a different way, in

621
00:39:32.920 --> 00:39:38.440
<v Speaker 2>different words and vocabulary to describe things. But everything is

622
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<v Speaker 2>seen as interconnected and arising from emptiness or you could

623
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<v Speaker 2>say zero point right, science science terminology. The mandalas represent

624
00:39:51.440 --> 00:39:57.079
<v Speaker 2>the macrocosm and the microcosm. Texts like the color chakra,

625
00:39:57.679 --> 00:40:02.239
<v Speaker 2>tantra detail the cosmology, the astrology, and the harmonization of

626
00:40:02.320 --> 00:40:05.159
<v Speaker 2>the inner and the outer energies. So it's like you're

627
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<v Speaker 2>trying to unite the macrocosm and the microcosm. You're trying

628
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<v Speaker 2>to realize the God would then completely awaken the faculties

629
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<v Speaker 2>so that you can see through the illusion of the

630
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<v Speaker 2>false world, the false realm right and be liberated. It's

631
00:40:21.320 --> 00:40:24.840
<v Speaker 2>all about achieving liberation through enlightenment. What is enlightenment What

632
00:40:24.920 --> 00:40:28.320
<v Speaker 2>you see through the illusion? What is the illusion? The

633
00:40:28.360 --> 00:40:35.559
<v Speaker 2>physical world? The real world is permanent, it's eternal, it's infinite.

634
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<v Speaker 2>You are immortal. You never truly die. Death is just

635
00:40:39.480 --> 00:40:44.079
<v Speaker 2>passage into a new world. It's a You're always in

636
00:40:44.119 --> 00:40:50.599
<v Speaker 2>a liminal state of evolving until you wake up and

637
00:40:50.679 --> 00:40:54.760
<v Speaker 2>realize you are immortal and you are one with all

638
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<v Speaker 2>of the universe.

639
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<v Speaker 3>Right.

640
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<v Speaker 2>There are six realms of existence in this model, which

641
00:41:00.920 --> 00:41:05.960
<v Speaker 2>I find interesting how they list this God's demi, gods, humans, animals,

642
00:41:06.079 --> 00:41:08.519
<v Speaker 2>the hungry ghosts. At the beginning of the episode, I

643
00:41:08.519 --> 00:41:10.880
<v Speaker 2>made a joke about the hungry ghosts and hell beings

644
00:41:11.519 --> 00:41:16.639
<v Speaker 2>driven by karma. Nirvana is the realization that even these

645
00:41:16.679 --> 00:41:21.840
<v Speaker 2>six realms of existence are projections of the mind that

646
00:41:21.920 --> 00:41:26.079
<v Speaker 2>at every level of the Bardo, and remember that includes life,

647
00:41:27.079 --> 00:41:31.159
<v Speaker 2>at every level of this cycle of Samsara that you're in,

648
00:41:31.280 --> 00:41:34.719
<v Speaker 2>life and death, life and death, life and death. It's

649
00:41:34.840 --> 00:41:39.679
<v Speaker 2>all projecting from your mind like a hologram. And the

650
00:41:39.719 --> 00:41:44.639
<v Speaker 2>way that you even navigate the state in death is

651
00:41:44.960 --> 00:41:53.639
<v Speaker 2>things like demons and devils and horrifying images, or if

652
00:41:53.639 --> 00:41:56.559
<v Speaker 2>you were a good man and you had good karma

653
00:41:56.880 --> 00:42:01.679
<v Speaker 2>and angelic, blissful, beautiful beings, they all project as aspects

654
00:42:01.719 --> 00:42:06.199
<v Speaker 2>of your psyche to confront you, and you see things

655
00:42:06.239 --> 00:42:09.639
<v Speaker 2>like a review of your life and the horrible things

656
00:42:09.719 --> 00:42:14.000
<v Speaker 2>that you've done to other people project themselves to you

657
00:42:14.039 --> 00:42:19.320
<v Speaker 2>as demons in the second layer of the Bardo, or angels.

658
00:42:19.360 --> 00:42:23.599
<v Speaker 2>Like I said, it depends on your karma. So even

659
00:42:23.679 --> 00:42:26.639
<v Speaker 2>this is designed to test you if you can see

660
00:42:26.639 --> 00:42:30.519
<v Speaker 2>through the illusion. And obviously in that state when you're

661
00:42:30.559 --> 00:42:34.599
<v Speaker 2>being bombarded with the faces of horrifying demons because you know,

662
00:42:34.679 --> 00:42:38.880
<v Speaker 2>you robbed people, or you were greedy, or you were

663
00:42:38.920 --> 00:42:41.519
<v Speaker 2>a glutton and you had an addiction to just eating

664
00:42:41.519 --> 00:42:43.480
<v Speaker 2>and eating and eating or whatever, vice it is that

665
00:42:43.519 --> 00:42:46.920
<v Speaker 2>you dealt with in life that that reflects to you

666
00:42:47.000 --> 00:42:54.320
<v Speaker 2>in the Bardo layer as an aspect of your psyche,

667
00:42:54.480 --> 00:42:59.079
<v Speaker 2>and you have to recognize and not be afraid that

668
00:42:59.119 --> 00:43:02.760
<v Speaker 2>it is just an illusion of the mind. And as

669
00:43:02.800 --> 00:43:05.800
<v Speaker 2>you progress through these layers at Bardo, it gets more

670
00:43:05.880 --> 00:43:12.119
<v Speaker 2>and more challenging, and the level of alertness and awareness

671
00:43:12.360 --> 00:43:17.360
<v Speaker 2>and probability you have of achieving enlightenment even in death

672
00:43:17.800 --> 00:43:20.559
<v Speaker 2>gets slimmer and slimmer and slimmer as you pass through

673
00:43:20.559 --> 00:43:23.880
<v Speaker 2>the bardoes to where eventually and that third layer, you

674
00:43:23.960 --> 00:43:31.920
<v Speaker 2>start seeing the rotating images of parents mating and you

675
00:43:32.039 --> 00:43:36.400
<v Speaker 2>begin the selection process of birth into your new life,

676
00:43:36.559 --> 00:43:39.480
<v Speaker 2>at which when you don't see through the illusion, then

677
00:43:39.920 --> 00:43:45.840
<v Speaker 2>even you select the most favorable womb that you desire

678
00:43:45.920 --> 00:43:50.239
<v Speaker 2>to be born in, and then your consciousness becomes fused

679
00:43:50.280 --> 00:43:55.880
<v Speaker 2>with the physical body at the fertilization of the egg

680
00:43:56.079 --> 00:44:00.360
<v Speaker 2>from the couple that you choose, whether it's human, whether

681
00:44:00.400 --> 00:44:05.599
<v Speaker 2>it's animals, what have you. And then once you fail

682
00:44:05.920 --> 00:44:09.800
<v Speaker 2>at each level, realizing that it's all an illusion from

683
00:44:09.800 --> 00:44:13.400
<v Speaker 2>your mind, eventually you complete that third step and then

684
00:44:13.480 --> 00:44:16.440
<v Speaker 2>your consciousness is molded into a physical being and you're

685
00:44:16.480 --> 00:44:25.840
<v Speaker 2>reborn yet again failing to achieve enlightenment. But according to this,

686
00:44:25.880 --> 00:44:27.800
<v Speaker 2>there's six realms you could be born in, and it's

687
00:44:27.960 --> 00:44:37.679
<v Speaker 2>gods or buddhas, it's humans, animals, demi gods, even the

688
00:44:37.760 --> 00:44:44.719
<v Speaker 2>hungry ghosts or the hell beings demons basically, And I

689
00:44:44.760 --> 00:44:49.320
<v Speaker 2>think there's symbolism there that it's not literal that you know,

690
00:44:49.639 --> 00:44:51.960
<v Speaker 2>maybe it is. Maybe you do incarnate in the spirit

691
00:44:52.000 --> 00:44:54.639
<v Speaker 2>world as a hungry ghost, and they describe them as grotesque,

692
00:44:54.679 --> 00:44:58.719
<v Speaker 2>like having narrow necks, tiny mouths, and they're starving and

693
00:44:58.719 --> 00:45:01.440
<v Speaker 2>they have bloated bellies but they can't eat, and they're

694
00:45:01.480 --> 00:45:04.559
<v Speaker 2>constantly trying to eat food, but it passes through them

695
00:45:04.559 --> 00:45:06.440
<v Speaker 2>because they have an astral body, and it makes them

696
00:45:06.480 --> 00:45:09.360
<v Speaker 2>suffer more and feel feelings of like heat and pain,

697
00:45:09.880 --> 00:45:12.800
<v Speaker 2>and they're just like wailing and desperate for food. And

698
00:45:13.239 --> 00:45:19.039
<v Speaker 2>they achieved that state because they were greedy. They caused

699
00:45:19.079 --> 00:45:22.039
<v Speaker 2>suffering that caused harm to other people. The hell beings

700
00:45:22.159 --> 00:45:26.760
<v Speaker 2>is like being in a complete total state of torment,

701
00:45:27.199 --> 00:45:30.639
<v Speaker 2>and that was said to be achieved and experienced by

702
00:45:30.639 --> 00:45:35.559
<v Speaker 2>people who had extreme anger and violence and were just

703
00:45:36.000 --> 00:45:38.719
<v Speaker 2>horrible to people. So again I think that some of

704
00:45:38.719 --> 00:45:43.159
<v Speaker 2>that is symbolic of the life you are reborn into

705
00:45:43.400 --> 00:45:46.360
<v Speaker 2>based on your choices and your karma. I don't think

706
00:45:46.360 --> 00:45:49.519
<v Speaker 2>it's that you'll literally be a demon. Will you be

707
00:45:49.599 --> 00:45:52.480
<v Speaker 2>a demonic disembodied spirit. I don't know if that's what

708
00:45:52.519 --> 00:45:54.760
<v Speaker 2>it's saying. It could be esoteric, that's all I'm getting at.

709
00:45:54.800 --> 00:45:57.519
<v Speaker 2>It could be symbolism. A lot of it is symbolism.

710
00:45:57.559 --> 00:45:59.840
<v Speaker 2>A lot of it is literal, like the Bardo stuff

711
00:46:00.119 --> 00:46:01.679
<v Speaker 2>what happens at each layer, and then a lot of

712
00:46:01.679 --> 00:46:05.039
<v Speaker 2>it is symbolism, like seeing you know, uh. I think

713
00:46:05.039 --> 00:46:07.880
<v Speaker 2>it was yab and Yama or whatever in a tantric

714
00:46:08.119 --> 00:46:13.199
<v Speaker 2>sexual position. Obviously that's not literal. It's archetypal projections of

715
00:46:13.239 --> 00:46:17.320
<v Speaker 2>the mind, because the whole point of this all existence

716
00:46:17.400 --> 00:46:20.679
<v Speaker 2>is the mind of the supreme Being, and we're like

717
00:46:20.760 --> 00:46:23.880
<v Speaker 2>in a holographic projection of that mind in a little

718
00:46:24.800 --> 00:46:28.920
<v Speaker 2>cycle and through our mind. We have to wake up

719
00:46:28.920 --> 00:46:31.480
<v Speaker 2>to this and achieve enlightenment and escape the cycle. So

720
00:46:31.519 --> 00:46:37.199
<v Speaker 2>it's all just different degrees of trying to see through

721
00:46:37.239 --> 00:46:41.480
<v Speaker 2>the illusion in our minds and at every level of death,

722
00:46:42.639 --> 00:46:45.599
<v Speaker 2>passing through the layers of the Bardo. Everything that you

723
00:46:45.719 --> 00:46:49.559
<v Speaker 2>experience when your consciousness leaves the body is a projection

724
00:46:49.840 --> 00:46:53.199
<v Speaker 2>of your mind everything that's good and everything that's bad.

725
00:46:54.199 --> 00:46:57.239
<v Speaker 2>If you're good, it's good. If you were bad, it's bad.

726
00:46:57.440 --> 00:47:00.880
<v Speaker 2>That's the that's the complete, like synthesis of it. And

727
00:47:00.920 --> 00:47:04.960
<v Speaker 2>it's way more complex than that. And I find that

728
00:47:05.119 --> 00:47:08.199
<v Speaker 2>very fascinating because that's pretty much exactly what the Monroe

729
00:47:08.199 --> 00:47:13.880
<v Speaker 2>Institute teaches, based on their many thousands of times of

730
00:47:13.920 --> 00:47:18.880
<v Speaker 2>experience with communicating with the dead through various programs and

731
00:47:18.960 --> 00:47:24.280
<v Speaker 2>channelings and out of body states that it's essentially that

732
00:47:25.000 --> 00:47:28.440
<v Speaker 2>you know when you die and you leave the physical

733
00:47:28.840 --> 00:47:31.639
<v Speaker 2>that where you believe you're going to go is where

734
00:47:31.679 --> 00:47:33.559
<v Speaker 2>you're going to go. What you believe you're going to

735
00:47:33.599 --> 00:47:35.800
<v Speaker 2>experience is what you're going to experience. That's pretty much

736
00:47:35.880 --> 00:47:39.519
<v Speaker 2>exactly the same. And they have a whole program doing

737
00:47:39.519 --> 00:47:44.440
<v Speaker 2>this assisting people crossing over into another place, because, if

738
00:47:44.760 --> 00:47:46.440
<v Speaker 2>you know, a lot of people are trapped when they

739
00:47:46.480 --> 00:47:50.360
<v Speaker 2>die and they become ghosts because they don't realize maybe

740
00:47:50.360 --> 00:47:56.599
<v Speaker 2>they're dead, right, there's waiting around where is everybody. They

741
00:47:56.599 --> 00:48:00.360
<v Speaker 2>don't know what happened. So they're trapped because they don't

742
00:48:00.360 --> 00:48:03.000
<v Speaker 2>know what happened. Because they don't know they're dead, they

743
00:48:03.000 --> 00:48:08.719
<v Speaker 2>don't have the capacity to decide where to go or

744
00:48:08.719 --> 00:48:15.280
<v Speaker 2>what to do. So very interesting. I thought there was

745
00:48:15.320 --> 00:48:18.159
<v Speaker 2>a fascinating parallel there between you know, what they talk about,

746
00:48:18.159 --> 00:48:21.800
<v Speaker 2>what they experience, and then you know what Tibetan Buddhism discusses,

747
00:48:22.119 --> 00:48:24.159
<v Speaker 2>and and then you know, we'll find later in the

748
00:48:24.159 --> 00:48:27.719
<v Speaker 2>Egyptian Book of the Dead that it's also pretty similar,

749
00:48:28.559 --> 00:48:32.480
<v Speaker 2>but instead of it being projections of the mind in

750
00:48:32.519 --> 00:48:37.360
<v Speaker 2>the form of illusions, they talk about it more as

751
00:48:37.400 --> 00:48:43.239
<v Speaker 2>like mythological gods, when you pass through the various planes

752
00:48:43.280 --> 00:48:50.400
<v Speaker 2>of existence after death. So we talked about the six

753
00:48:51.159 --> 00:48:55.960
<v Speaker 2>the six realms and the six incarnations of being. Nirvana

754
00:48:56.000 --> 00:48:58.000
<v Speaker 2>is not an escape, but the realization that these realms

755
00:48:58.039 --> 00:49:02.079
<v Speaker 2>are illusory projections of the mind. Deities, Buddhas and wrathful

756
00:49:02.119 --> 00:49:09.159
<v Speaker 2>figures embody cosmic forces aiding transformation, and for example, Vira

757
00:49:09.519 --> 00:49:13.719
<v Speaker 2>Chauna represents the all knowing cosmic Buddha central to many

758
00:49:13.760 --> 00:49:17.960
<v Speaker 2>other parallel traditions. And then there are the three bodies

759
00:49:17.960 --> 00:49:21.280
<v Speaker 2>of the Buddha. This is all the cosmological model of

760
00:49:21.280 --> 00:49:25.920
<v Speaker 2>Tibetan Buddhism and Vadriana right or tantra, you could say,

761
00:49:26.760 --> 00:49:29.480
<v Speaker 2>the dharma kaya or the truth body is the ultimate

762
00:49:29.920 --> 00:49:35.599
<v Speaker 2>formuless reality, like the Vadradhara or the source of enlightenment.

763
00:49:37.119 --> 00:49:40.800
<v Speaker 2>The sambo ga kaya or the enjoyment body manifests in

764
00:49:40.840 --> 00:49:44.960
<v Speaker 2>the pure lands for advanced beings, and the normana kaya

765
00:49:45.119 --> 00:49:48.719
<v Speaker 2>or the emanation body appears in the world like the

766
00:49:48.880 --> 00:49:54.079
<v Speaker 2>historical Buddhas, like Siddhartha. This is the trikaya system that

767
00:49:54.159 --> 00:49:58.880
<v Speaker 2>reflects the emphasis on the different levels of reality or

768
00:49:59.039 --> 00:50:07.199
<v Speaker 2>emanations from subtle mind to what like spirit world basically

769
00:50:07.320 --> 00:50:14.079
<v Speaker 2>or astral too gross manifestations, meaning you know, the physical world.

770
00:50:15.360 --> 00:50:18.920
<v Speaker 2>And now we're going to actually get into the Tibetan

771
00:50:18.960 --> 00:50:21.480
<v Speaker 2>Book of the Dead, because that was all just kind

772
00:50:21.480 --> 00:50:24.360
<v Speaker 2>of talking about it, right, but I pretty much hit

773
00:50:24.360 --> 00:50:25.599
<v Speaker 2>the most of it, so I'll see if I can

774
00:50:25.599 --> 00:50:30.639
<v Speaker 2>move through this. But the big emphasis here and it

775
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<v Speaker 2>even just like I read the book today, right, the

776
00:50:34.199 --> 00:50:37.400
<v Speaker 2>whole thing, and I took note. I was listening to

777
00:50:37.440 --> 00:50:43.239
<v Speaker 2>it on audiobook, And what's interesting is I took note

778
00:50:43.320 --> 00:50:49.280
<v Speaker 2>it was like maybe five times in the actual text

779
00:50:49.880 --> 00:50:53.880
<v Speaker 2>that by word it basically says that if you were

780
00:50:53.920 --> 00:50:57.360
<v Speaker 2>a practitioner of tantra in your daily life, that the

781
00:50:57.519 --> 00:51:00.599
<v Speaker 2>passage into the Bardo will be easier and more pleasant

782
00:51:02.599 --> 00:51:07.239
<v Speaker 2>that the practitioner of it also said, I'm pretty sure

783
00:51:07.280 --> 00:51:09.800
<v Speaker 2>it said joke chin, which is light body.

784
00:51:10.199 --> 00:51:10.440
<v Speaker 3>Right.

785
00:51:10.519 --> 00:51:15.800
<v Speaker 2>It's a form of meditation in Tibetan Buddhism or Vadriyana

786
00:51:15.920 --> 00:51:20.760
<v Speaker 2>or tantra. Basically, they said that if you were a

787
00:51:20.760 --> 00:51:25.599
<v Speaker 2>practitioner of this, that you would have an easier death,

788
00:51:26.119 --> 00:51:29.480
<v Speaker 2>that you would be more adept at the faculties of

789
00:51:29.519 --> 00:51:32.719
<v Speaker 2>the mind in that state to be able to awaken

790
00:51:33.079 --> 00:51:33.840
<v Speaker 2>to the illusion.

791
00:51:35.039 --> 00:51:39.039
<v Speaker 4>Because again, I'm going to keep on this track of

792
00:51:39.079 --> 00:51:44.519
<v Speaker 4>over simplifying all this stuff, because by practicing this, you're

793
00:51:44.639 --> 00:51:49.440
<v Speaker 4>essentially trying to get to a Bardo state, Yes, exactly.

794
00:51:49.440 --> 00:51:53.000
<v Speaker 4>Therefore you spend more time there. Therefore you're more skilled

795
00:51:53.320 --> 00:51:56.480
<v Speaker 4>skilled in that state. It's not as shocking to you.

796
00:51:56.559 --> 00:51:58.760
<v Speaker 4>It's not as well.

797
00:51:58.800 --> 00:51:59.800
<v Speaker 2>No, you just have experience.

798
00:52:00.039 --> 00:52:00.519
<v Speaker 3>It just.

799
00:52:02.079 --> 00:52:05.760
<v Speaker 2>Jeez, you have experience. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's that's exactly it.

800
00:52:05.800 --> 00:52:06.800
<v Speaker 2>But it's it's.

801
00:52:08.480 --> 00:52:15.400
<v Speaker 4>Oversimplifying prayer, meditation, Monroe meditation. Yeah, this is all spend

802
00:52:15.400 --> 00:52:18.239
<v Speaker 4>it aiming to spend time in these states, is what

803
00:52:18.280 --> 00:52:21.280
<v Speaker 4>it's saying. Yes, or do you think it's literally No,

804
00:52:21.360 --> 00:52:22.000
<v Speaker 4>That's what I'm saying.

805
00:52:22.039 --> 00:52:25.199
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, cool, it's saying that to the one who walks

806
00:52:25.199 --> 00:52:30.159
<v Speaker 2>this path in life, death will be easier because you'll

807
00:52:30.159 --> 00:52:35.320
<v Speaker 2>be adept, You'll be able to navigate the mind. Navigate

808
00:52:35.320 --> 00:52:38.440
<v Speaker 2>the mind, yes, and the worlds of the mind. Exactly.

809
00:52:38.519 --> 00:52:41.760
<v Speaker 2>That's exactly right, that being in this state in life

810
00:52:42.559 --> 00:52:45.960
<v Speaker 2>prepares you for the next life. I'm telling you. That's

811
00:52:45.960 --> 00:52:48.320
<v Speaker 2>what I texted today. I was like, there's a connection here, man.

812
00:52:48.559 --> 00:52:50.280
<v Speaker 4>Five minutes a day for the rest of your life,

813
00:52:50.360 --> 00:52:52.320
<v Speaker 4>it mounts to quite a few hours.

814
00:52:52.880 --> 00:52:56.119
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, true, Yeah, but that's crazy. You could see why

815
00:52:56.119 --> 00:52:57.000
<v Speaker 2>I texted you today.

816
00:52:57.119 --> 00:52:57.320
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

817
00:52:57.440 --> 00:52:59.320
<v Speaker 4>I was like, dang, dude, we are on a thread here,

818
00:53:01.360 --> 00:53:05.119
<v Speaker 4>a generational tear. Yeah, through a rift in the voice.

819
00:53:05.679 --> 00:53:08.840
<v Speaker 4>I'm very proud of our last few episodes. Yeah, well

820
00:53:09.280 --> 00:53:10.880
<v Speaker 4>more than a few. But you get what I'm saying.

821
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<v Speaker 2>So that is integral to the whole thing. That the

822
00:53:15.320 --> 00:53:20.239
<v Speaker 2>point is the one who is who doesn't practice anything

823
00:53:20.920 --> 00:53:23.760
<v Speaker 2>like especially dare I say, you know, and we're not

824
00:53:23.800 --> 00:53:26.239
<v Speaker 2>even talking about like a horrible, horrible person who has

825
00:53:26.280 --> 00:53:29.239
<v Speaker 2>bad karma. Forget the karma, just like what what what

826
00:53:29.360 --> 00:53:31.960
<v Speaker 2>is your what is your belief? What is your practice

827
00:53:32.599 --> 00:53:35.639
<v Speaker 2>for the for those who don't do anything to better

828
00:53:35.679 --> 00:53:39.639
<v Speaker 2>themselves than to to work on this path. Uh, they

829
00:53:39.639 --> 00:53:43.199
<v Speaker 2>have it very difficult in the next life because they

830
00:53:43.199 --> 00:53:48.599
<v Speaker 2>don't have the faculties to uh notice the illusions of

831
00:53:48.639 --> 00:53:56.559
<v Speaker 2>the mind, which presents itself as scary imagery right sometimes,

832
00:53:59.559 --> 00:54:01.519
<v Speaker 2>And that's how to me like an anxious thought on

833
00:54:01.559 --> 00:54:04.639
<v Speaker 2>the day to day basis, you know, I think about

834
00:54:05.199 --> 00:54:12.199
<v Speaker 2>think about the skill of meditation and prayer because you

835
00:54:12.239 --> 00:54:13.880
<v Speaker 2>could say that they're the same thing if you use

836
00:54:13.920 --> 00:54:19.639
<v Speaker 2>it correctly. You know, think about how that can help

837
00:54:19.679 --> 00:54:24.119
<v Speaker 2>with anxiety. You see what I'm saying that there's a

838
00:54:24.199 --> 00:54:28.719
<v Speaker 2>real benefit to implementing this practice.

839
00:54:29.079 --> 00:54:33.880
<v Speaker 4>Oh yeah, I think of it. Like again, I feel

840
00:54:33.880 --> 00:54:37.800
<v Speaker 4>like I'm the king of analogies here. But uh, if

841
00:54:37.800 --> 00:54:39.880
<v Speaker 4>someone told you because just because the Winter Olympics are

842
00:54:39.920 --> 00:54:42.360
<v Speaker 4>on and what I find super fascinating is this the

843
00:54:42.400 --> 00:54:45.000
<v Speaker 4>long jump, like the ski long jump where they fly through.

844
00:54:44.920 --> 00:54:45.840
<v Speaker 3>The air like a squirrel.

845
00:54:45.960 --> 00:54:46.719
<v Speaker 2>Yeah's cool.

846
00:54:46.880 --> 00:54:49.320
<v Speaker 4>But imagine if someone came to you and was like,

847
00:54:49.960 --> 00:54:54.199
<v Speaker 4>you are going to do this in like and whatever

848
00:54:54.239 --> 00:54:56.880
<v Speaker 4>timeframe is right, like this is going to happen.

849
00:54:57.280 --> 00:54:59.119
<v Speaker 3>Wouldn't you like want to practice?

850
00:55:00.119 --> 00:55:02.239
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, because I've never done that and I don't really

851
00:55:02.320 --> 00:55:06.000
<v Speaker 4>want to go flying off that hundred foot jump without

852
00:55:06.000 --> 00:55:09.480
<v Speaker 4>ever doing it before, right, you know, so scare me

853
00:55:09.480 --> 00:55:10.119
<v Speaker 4>to death a little.

854
00:55:10.480 --> 00:55:10.519
<v Speaker 2>Like.

855
00:55:10.599 --> 00:55:13.039
<v Speaker 4>So, yeah, basically, like there's a time around all of us.

856
00:55:14.519 --> 00:55:16.880
<v Speaker 4>Don't you kind of want to practice?

857
00:55:17.039 --> 00:55:20.719
<v Speaker 2>Like I don't know, yeah, and maybe I just want

858
00:55:20.719 --> 00:55:23.280
<v Speaker 2>to be good at everything. No, that's logically true, but

859
00:55:23.440 --> 00:55:26.239
<v Speaker 2>so many people experience existential dread and they don't know

860
00:55:26.280 --> 00:55:28.400
<v Speaker 2>what to believe. And they think when they die they

861
00:55:28.400 --> 00:55:30.920
<v Speaker 2>go to nothing or they think if they just believe

862
00:55:30.960 --> 00:55:33.199
<v Speaker 2>a certain way, you know, they go to heaven or hell.

863
00:55:33.320 --> 00:55:35.559
<v Speaker 2>And it's not that simple, it's really not.

864
00:55:35.639 --> 00:55:37.320
<v Speaker 4>I mean, I've been in the camp of nothing for

865
00:55:37.360 --> 00:55:39.760
<v Speaker 4>a long time, so I don't mind pulling that thread

866
00:55:39.800 --> 00:55:40.519
<v Speaker 4>from experience.

867
00:55:41.079 --> 00:55:45.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I just you know, this is kind of like

868
00:55:45.440 --> 00:55:50.880
<v Speaker 2>the greatest mystery in all of our existence, like what

869
00:55:51.000 --> 00:55:54.719
<v Speaker 2>happens when we die? I don't know, never thought about

870
00:55:54.760 --> 00:55:56.079
<v Speaker 2>it really.

871
00:55:56.119 --> 00:55:56.719
<v Speaker 3>You know what I mean?

872
00:55:56.800 --> 00:55:59.400
<v Speaker 4>Like I think about it all the time, that's right,

873
00:55:59.599 --> 00:56:01.599
<v Speaker 4>And you're wondering if there's something wrong with me.

874
00:56:01.519 --> 00:56:03.440
<v Speaker 2>Because I'm thinking about it all the time. Yes, it's

875
00:56:03.480 --> 00:56:06.440
<v Speaker 2>like what's gonna happen? You know, something's gonna happen. Yeah,

876
00:56:06.519 --> 00:56:09.239
<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna go somewhere right, let's figure this out.

877
00:56:10.519 --> 00:56:11.760
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

878
00:56:11.920 --> 00:56:14.360
<v Speaker 2>No, But to be serious, like, I just think there's

879
00:56:14.360 --> 00:56:15.679
<v Speaker 2>a lot of people that don't think about it and

880
00:56:15.679 --> 00:56:17.679
<v Speaker 2>it scares them and they don't want to think about it.

881
00:56:18.320 --> 00:56:20.079
<v Speaker 2>So why would they think, Oh, I'm not gonna prepare

882
00:56:20.119 --> 00:56:23.159
<v Speaker 2>for that, that's morbid. No, I think it's practical. And

883
00:56:23.199 --> 00:56:26.039
<v Speaker 2>it's not about that. It's it's it's not about that,

884
00:56:26.079 --> 00:56:30.199
<v Speaker 2>it's a it's about when you realize the truth that

885
00:56:30.519 --> 00:56:37.079
<v Speaker 2>every every level of existence is illusion, that you're always

886
00:56:37.119 --> 00:56:41.280
<v Speaker 2>in a liminal state being rendered like a hologram in

887
00:56:41.320 --> 00:56:43.960
<v Speaker 2>the present, whether you're in biological life or you're in

888
00:56:44.039 --> 00:56:49.440
<v Speaker 2>spiritual life. Uh, you know, you're you're in a liminal

889
00:56:49.599 --> 00:56:54.039
<v Speaker 2>state of transition to the next thing, and you're always

890
00:56:54.039 --> 00:56:58.599
<v Speaker 2>progressing upwards on this uh evolutionary path of the mind.

891
00:56:59.400 --> 00:57:03.159
<v Speaker 2>And then of eventually you hit a certain level of

892
00:57:03.199 --> 00:57:07.679
<v Speaker 2>realization where you don't need to be in this form anymore,

893
00:57:07.920 --> 00:57:13.199
<v Speaker 2>that you become transcendent, that you return to that immortal state,

894
00:57:13.840 --> 00:57:16.360
<v Speaker 2>whether it's you know, you have to reincarnate again because oh,

895
00:57:16.440 --> 00:57:17.960
<v Speaker 2>you know, you were a thief in this life, so

896
00:57:18.039 --> 00:57:19.840
<v Speaker 2>now next time you got to come back, maybe you

897
00:57:19.880 --> 00:57:21.880
<v Speaker 2>got to be robbed. Maybe you know what I'm saying,

898
00:57:22.079 --> 00:57:27.840
<v Speaker 2>and that's simplifying it, But it's it's cycles of experiencing

899
00:57:27.960 --> 00:57:33.079
<v Speaker 2>things from many different perspectives, feeling every emotion on the

900
00:57:33.119 --> 00:57:36.760
<v Speaker 2>spectrum being dark, being light. You come back here and

901
00:57:36.800 --> 00:57:39.800
<v Speaker 2>you experience everything till eventually you realize, all right, it's

902
00:57:39.840 --> 00:57:41.719
<v Speaker 2>time to go home. I don't need this experience anymore.

903
00:57:41.760 --> 00:57:46.159
<v Speaker 2>I've learned everything that I could learn from this place.

904
00:57:47.800 --> 00:57:49.800
<v Speaker 2>Then you die and you go into the and then

905
00:57:49.800 --> 00:57:51.760
<v Speaker 2>it's like, well where do I go from here? Do

906
00:57:51.840 --> 00:57:55.519
<v Speaker 2>I need to go back? I haven't seen through the

907
00:57:55.559 --> 00:57:57.920
<v Speaker 2>greed of that life. That's why it's like you become

908
00:57:58.000 --> 00:58:00.559
<v Speaker 2>hungry ghost if you were greedy in this life, and

909
00:58:00.599 --> 00:58:03.920
<v Speaker 2>then you die, and you know, in that transitional state

910
00:58:04.440 --> 00:58:06.519
<v Speaker 2>the bardos are, it's like purgatory basically.

911
00:58:06.639 --> 00:58:06.800
<v Speaker 3>Right.

912
00:58:06.840 --> 00:58:08.599
<v Speaker 2>That's why I was like, this is going to be

913
00:58:09.000 --> 00:58:10.960
<v Speaker 2>a parallel to what you want to talk about, right,

914
00:58:11.079 --> 00:58:13.679
<v Speaker 2>because it's like you're in this purgatory liminal state of

915
00:58:13.719 --> 00:58:17.880
<v Speaker 2>these three layers of bardow before you ultimately launch off

916
00:58:17.920 --> 00:58:21.320
<v Speaker 2>into immortal existence. Or it's like you keep failing the

917
00:58:21.360 --> 00:58:26.920
<v Speaker 2>tests and then you know you you come back. But

918
00:58:27.039 --> 00:58:29.639
<v Speaker 2>even then, even in death, it's like we have the

919
00:58:29.719 --> 00:58:31.840
<v Speaker 2>chance to awaken, right, so I'm going in circles. Now,

920
00:58:31.880 --> 00:58:32.840
<v Speaker 2>let me get back on it, right.

921
00:58:32.880 --> 00:58:34.840
<v Speaker 4>I think that's where the practice comes in because if

922
00:58:34.840 --> 00:58:40.800
<v Speaker 4>you have another chance in death and to reach the goal,

923
00:58:41.920 --> 00:58:46.440
<v Speaker 4>then you know, becoming familiar. But if becoming familiar in

924
00:58:46.559 --> 00:58:51.159
<v Speaker 4>that bardo space of death also benefits your life greatly,

925
00:58:51.760 --> 00:58:54.559
<v Speaker 4>now you know, it's kind of like a win win

926
00:58:54.679 --> 00:58:57.280
<v Speaker 4>in my mind. You know, if it could ease some

927
00:58:57.360 --> 00:58:59.840
<v Speaker 4>of that things. If I'm just saying prayer meditation is

928
00:59:00.000 --> 00:59:04.199
<v Speaker 4>actually benefiting one in one's daily life.

929
00:59:03.840 --> 00:59:06.719
<v Speaker 2>I mean, it benefits you now, it benefits you then period,

930
00:59:06.760 --> 00:59:08.599
<v Speaker 2>it benefits you always, right.

931
00:59:11.280 --> 00:59:14.960
<v Speaker 4>To be in contemplation. I also think there's a thread

932
00:59:15.000 --> 00:59:21.079
<v Speaker 4>here of the power of your mind going back to

933
00:59:21.119 --> 00:59:23.079
<v Speaker 4>good thoughts, good words, good deeds. You could even go

934
00:59:23.159 --> 00:59:26.679
<v Speaker 4>into manifestation a little bit, because if what you're believing

935
00:59:27.159 --> 00:59:29.400
<v Speaker 4>at the time of death or throughout your entire life,

936
00:59:29.400 --> 00:59:32.039
<v Speaker 4>because you know, I'm a big kind of believer in

937
00:59:32.119 --> 00:59:36.159
<v Speaker 4>muscle memory, right, Like when that moment of stress hits,

938
00:59:36.239 --> 00:59:40.440
<v Speaker 4>you're we're gonna go to muscle memory. So even if

939
00:59:40.480 --> 00:59:43.239
<v Speaker 4>you're believing one thing in death and you know in

940
00:59:43.360 --> 00:59:46.440
<v Speaker 4>your maybe fortunate or unfortunate enough to know that you

941
00:59:46.519 --> 00:59:49.599
<v Speaker 4>are dying, you are probably.

942
00:59:49.199 --> 00:59:51.840
<v Speaker 2>Going to revert back to what you truly.

943
00:59:51.480 --> 00:59:53.679
<v Speaker 4>Believe, not what you're trying to tell yourself you believe.

944
00:59:54.079 --> 00:59:56.880
<v Speaker 4>And so you know, that plays all into it, right

945
00:59:57.639 --> 01:00:00.119
<v Speaker 4>in the experience you'll have after death, according to the

946
01:00:00.159 --> 01:00:01.159
<v Speaker 4>Tibetan Book of the Dead.

947
01:00:01.239 --> 01:00:04.800
<v Speaker 2>But what I'm saying is is your mind has the

948
01:00:04.840 --> 01:00:09.000
<v Speaker 2>power also to influence your daily.

949
01:00:08.840 --> 01:00:10.320
<v Speaker 3>Life, you know.

950
01:00:10.719 --> 01:00:18.280
<v Speaker 4>And that's right, same tools prayer, meditation, as manifested manifesting

951
01:00:18.320 --> 01:00:23.920
<v Speaker 4>tools for life and death. It seems like, yeah, as

952
01:00:23.920 --> 01:00:26.559
<v Speaker 4>above so below. I mean, we're kind of like, you

953
01:00:26.599 --> 01:00:28.039
<v Speaker 4>get so deep, you get back to the top.

954
01:00:29.599 --> 01:00:31.119
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but you could see why I was texting you

955
01:00:31.159 --> 01:00:35.519
<v Speaker 2>today like wow, we you know, this is really it's cool. Yeah, yeah,

956
01:00:35.599 --> 01:00:37.079
<v Speaker 2>I'm I'm enjoying this one.

957
01:00:37.119 --> 01:00:37.679
<v Speaker 3>I'm intrigued.

958
01:00:37.760 --> 01:00:39.239
<v Speaker 2>Alex showed up and I was like, I think I

959
01:00:39.360 --> 01:00:41.719
<v Speaker 2>changed the episode today. It's just going to be about this.

960
01:00:42.000 --> 01:00:43.760
<v Speaker 2>We discussed it was gonna be about something else, and

961
01:00:43.800 --> 01:00:46.039
<v Speaker 2>then you know, in three or four hours in I

962
01:00:46.079 --> 01:00:48.360
<v Speaker 2>realized this is actually where we were supposed to be,

963
01:00:48.400 --> 01:00:49.400
<v Speaker 2>you know, talking about this stuff.

964
01:00:49.480 --> 01:00:53.159
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, Ryan says, let me cook, I stand back, what

965
01:00:53.199 --> 01:00:54.159
<v Speaker 4>I'm saying.

966
01:00:53.920 --> 01:00:58.159
<v Speaker 2>Well, another key thing in this whole system, and this

967
01:00:58.239 --> 01:00:59.760
<v Speaker 2>is discussed in the Book of the Dead too. I

968
01:00:59.800 --> 01:01:02.199
<v Speaker 2>think think that this is a very important function of reality.

969
01:01:02.239 --> 01:01:03.920
<v Speaker 2>And you were talking about the ego earlier, and I

970
01:01:03.920 --> 01:01:05.719
<v Speaker 2>was waiting until we got to this part in my notes.

971
01:01:07.280 --> 01:01:09.880
<v Speaker 2>If you recall a few weeks ago, we talked a

972
01:01:09.920 --> 01:01:16.519
<v Speaker 2>little bit more about Rudolph Steiner and I read Passages

973
01:01:16.559 --> 01:01:19.119
<v Speaker 2>from the Way of Initiation.

974
01:01:19.679 --> 01:01:19.880
<v Speaker 3>Right.

975
01:01:23.639 --> 01:01:27.400
<v Speaker 2>Something that I find interesting that jumps out in many

976
01:01:27.440 --> 01:01:33.280
<v Speaker 2>different systems is the notion that you face your inner

977
01:01:33.320 --> 01:01:38.760
<v Speaker 2>demons and they are projections of In the Eastern terms

978
01:01:38.840 --> 01:01:43.159
<v Speaker 2>we say karma, right, but or in the West we

979
01:01:43.159 --> 01:01:47.599
<v Speaker 2>would say probably psyche, that they're manifestations of your karma

980
01:01:47.679 --> 01:01:52.960
<v Speaker 2>and your psyche. So it says when you die, when

981
01:01:53.000 --> 01:01:56.960
<v Speaker 2>you go to that second level of the bardo, demons

982
01:01:57.039 --> 01:01:59.480
<v Speaker 2>jump out at you, and even then it just comes

983
01:01:59.480 --> 01:02:03.159
<v Speaker 2>from your mind. They're not real demons trying to eat

984
01:02:03.199 --> 01:02:06.079
<v Speaker 2>your soul or whatever that they're They're coming from you,

985
01:02:06.159 --> 01:02:09.880
<v Speaker 2>and it's an illusion from that that place of uh,

986
01:02:10.599 --> 01:02:13.679
<v Speaker 2>you know, am I going to wake up? Am I

987
01:02:13.719 --> 01:02:19.679
<v Speaker 2>gonna pass the illusion? And that's so fascinating because if

988
01:02:19.679 --> 01:02:23.960
<v Speaker 2>you've done anything like d MT or very heavy mushroom dose.

989
01:02:24.199 --> 01:02:29.320
<v Speaker 2>What happens your ego completely breaks down because you become

990
01:02:29.440 --> 01:02:34.440
<v Speaker 2>overwhelmed with thoughts, feelings, images that are so powerful and

991
01:02:34.480 --> 01:02:38.400
<v Speaker 2>so intense that it completely just basically destroys your ego.

992
01:02:39.320 --> 01:02:42.800
<v Speaker 2>And that's that's not a bad thing. It's it's basically

993
01:02:43.519 --> 01:02:48.000
<v Speaker 2>it's humbling your consciousness. It's forcing you to address the

994
01:02:48.039 --> 01:02:53.480
<v Speaker 2>aspects of your psyche and your soul that are challenging you,

995
01:02:53.559 --> 01:02:56.039
<v Speaker 2>that that are controlling you, even that that you have

996
01:02:56.079 --> 01:03:00.679
<v Speaker 2>to overcome. And dare I say this, Okay, we know

997
01:03:00.679 --> 01:03:04.760
<v Speaker 2>I don't like Alister Crowley, but even he says a

998
01:03:04.800 --> 01:03:08.360
<v Speaker 2>similar thing. He talks about an entity I think he

999
01:03:08.480 --> 01:03:11.920
<v Speaker 2>calls it Koranson, that you hit a certain point where

1000
01:03:11.920 --> 01:03:17.000
<v Speaker 2>it challenges you. And you know Steiner talks about this,

1001
01:03:19.079 --> 01:03:24.400
<v Speaker 2>it's experienced in DMT. They talk about this. There's somewhere,

1002
01:03:24.480 --> 01:03:26.760
<v Speaker 2>oh in the Egyptian Book of the Dead that when

1003
01:03:26.760 --> 01:03:33.679
<v Speaker 2>you die, it's like you face demons basically Egyptian myth

1004
01:03:33.760 --> 01:03:38.239
<v Speaker 2>demons that are serving as guardians of the depth of

1005
01:03:38.360 --> 01:03:45.079
<v Speaker 2>the celestial heavenly realms to prevent the unworthy from passing

1006
01:03:45.599 --> 01:03:49.440
<v Speaker 2>into those places. And even in the Egyptian system. We'll

1007
01:03:49.480 --> 01:03:51.360
<v Speaker 2>talk more about this later, but it was so focused

1008
01:03:51.400 --> 01:03:54.639
<v Speaker 2>on the heart. They believed that your consciousness was not

1009
01:03:54.679 --> 01:03:56.800
<v Speaker 2>in your brain, but it was in your heart. And

1010
01:03:56.840 --> 01:03:59.599
<v Speaker 2>they would take this metal thing and they would put

1011
01:03:59.639 --> 01:04:01.599
<v Speaker 2>it in an they would heat it up, and then

1012
01:04:01.599 --> 01:04:03.280
<v Speaker 2>they would put it up your nose, and they would

1013
01:04:03.360 --> 01:04:05.960
<v Speaker 2>melt and liquify your brain and extract it from your nose,

1014
01:04:06.000 --> 01:04:07.280
<v Speaker 2>and they would throw it in the trash, and they

1015
01:04:07.280 --> 01:04:10.079
<v Speaker 2>would preserve the heart in the body. They would mummify

1016
01:04:10.119 --> 01:04:15.480
<v Speaker 2>you with the heart, because they believed so profoundly in

1017
01:04:15.519 --> 01:04:18.159
<v Speaker 2>the magic of the heart and that it is the

1018
01:04:18.239 --> 01:04:23.280
<v Speaker 2>seat of your soul and your consciousness. And they had

1019
01:04:23.320 --> 01:04:28.559
<v Speaker 2>all kinds of different rituals and initiation practices and spells.

1020
01:04:30.039 --> 01:04:32.320
<v Speaker 2>And in the Egyptian system it's known as heca, which

1021
01:04:32.360 --> 01:04:35.280
<v Speaker 2>is word magic. That's where the word hex comes from, right,

1022
01:04:35.360 --> 01:04:37.960
<v Speaker 2>the idea of a cursor, a spell with your mouth.

1023
01:04:38.400 --> 01:04:45.079
<v Speaker 2>But they had systems to prepare your soul or your

1024
01:04:45.599 --> 01:04:52.079
<v Speaker 2>believe it's called the the co to turn into an

1025
01:04:52.119 --> 01:04:55.400
<v Speaker 2>ak which is a mortal celestial soul that would pass

1026
01:04:55.480 --> 01:04:57.920
<v Speaker 2>into the heavenly realms and become a star upon death,

1027
01:04:58.880 --> 01:05:02.199
<v Speaker 2>or another way that they would interpret it is your

1028
01:05:02.400 --> 01:05:05.039
<v Speaker 2>heart is weighed against an ostrich feather in the Hall

1029
01:05:05.079 --> 01:05:07.920
<v Speaker 2>of Maat, and if it's as light as the feather,

1030
01:05:08.000 --> 01:05:09.760
<v Speaker 2>then you would pass on to the paradise in the

1031
01:05:09.760 --> 01:05:14.280
<v Speaker 2>field of breeds. But it was a similar system to

1032
01:05:14.320 --> 01:05:18.159
<v Speaker 2>where when you die, you're challenged by these scary, hellish demons,

1033
01:05:18.719 --> 01:05:21.360
<v Speaker 2>and it's to confront you from the sins that you

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01:05:21.440 --> 01:05:25.000
<v Speaker 2>lived in your past life. And then it starts over again.

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<v Speaker 2>You come back, you come back. You know, there's the

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01:05:27.079 --> 01:05:31.639
<v Speaker 2>reincarnation element, So I think there's Oh. And then the

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<v Speaker 2>other thing I wanted to say was the Gnostics. The

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01:05:34.920 --> 01:05:38.519
<v Speaker 2>Gnostics talk about this many different times. And there's a

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01:05:38.519 --> 01:05:42.400
<v Speaker 2>really cool text called Zostrianos, which I intend to eventually

1040
01:05:42.480 --> 01:05:44.519
<v Speaker 2>do an episode on, or at least discuss in part.

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<v Speaker 2>And in Zoustrianos, he uh he ascends through the through

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01:05:52.960 --> 01:05:59.559
<v Speaker 2>the layers of reality, seeking to communicate with the God

1043
01:05:59.559 --> 01:06:02.719
<v Speaker 2>above God, the true God. And I find z Austriano's

1044
01:06:02.760 --> 01:06:06.800
<v Speaker 2>extremely fascinating because he is allegedly he's either like a

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01:06:06.880 --> 01:06:11.360
<v Speaker 2>descendant of a Zoroastrian priest or he's a descendant of

1046
01:06:11.400 --> 01:06:13.519
<v Speaker 2>Zoroastri It's something like that. But I find it really

1047
01:06:13.519 --> 01:06:17.760
<v Speaker 2>cool because it's another fascinating historical connection between the Persian

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01:06:17.760 --> 01:06:23.519
<v Speaker 2>magi and Jesus Christ and the you know, the Christian system.

1049
01:06:24.239 --> 01:06:26.800
<v Speaker 2>If you consider gnosticism part of the Christian system, it's

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01:06:26.840 --> 01:06:32.039
<v Speaker 2>part of the body of you know, texts about Jesus Christ.

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01:06:32.119 --> 01:06:32.280
<v Speaker 3>You know.

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01:06:32.440 --> 01:06:37.000
<v Speaker 2>To me, it's just as Christian as the Bible. But anyway,

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01:06:37.119 --> 01:06:40.599
<v Speaker 2>so I find that very fascinating, right, that connection was Austrianos,

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01:06:40.960 --> 01:06:45.239
<v Speaker 2>the Zoroastrian Persian magi and Jesus. There was some sort

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01:06:45.320 --> 01:06:49.440
<v Speaker 2>of connection with the magi and thees scenes, which we

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01:06:49.559 --> 01:06:52.199
<v Speaker 2>know Jesus was anes scene. He was a Nazarene, which

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01:06:52.239 --> 01:06:53.239
<v Speaker 2>means he was anes Scene.

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01:06:53.320 --> 01:06:53.440
<v Speaker 3>Right.

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01:06:54.159 --> 01:06:59.760
<v Speaker 2>It wasn't born in Nazareth. Allegedly he was born in Bethlehem,

1060
01:07:00.920 --> 01:07:04.000
<v Speaker 2>but he was a Nazarene because the Nazarenes were Essenes, right. Anyway,

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01:07:04.079 --> 01:07:06.800
<v Speaker 2>that's a side topic. In the text known as z

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01:07:06.840 --> 01:07:10.679
<v Speaker 2>Ostriano's it describes that he goes on a heavenly ascent

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01:07:11.480 --> 01:07:14.679
<v Speaker 2>through the realms, and in various parts there's like a

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01:07:14.719 --> 01:07:18.159
<v Speaker 2>guardian of the threshold that seeks to prevent you from

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01:07:18.199 --> 01:07:22.639
<v Speaker 2>passing through to the next level of reality, and the

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01:07:22.639 --> 01:07:25.280
<v Speaker 2>Gnostics and multiple texts. They talk about having to like

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01:07:25.599 --> 01:07:29.599
<v Speaker 2>hide from these arconic forces and like bypass them to

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01:07:30.119 --> 01:07:33.280
<v Speaker 2>ascend through the heavenly realms. So there's some sort of

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01:07:33.880 --> 01:07:37.519
<v Speaker 2>thread here across all these different systems where there's like

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01:07:39.119 --> 01:07:42.920
<v Speaker 2>this arconic or demonic imagery. Whether it's an illusion of

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01:07:42.960 --> 01:07:46.039
<v Speaker 2>your mind, maybe they have it right, whether it's some

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01:07:46.239 --> 01:07:48.760
<v Speaker 2>force I don't know, some external force I don't know,

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01:07:50.079 --> 01:07:53.400
<v Speaker 2>but there's there's some sort of there's some sort of

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01:07:53.440 --> 01:08:00.800
<v Speaker 2>importance to the way you live your life, karma and

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01:08:00.800 --> 01:08:04.440
<v Speaker 2>how you treat others, and how you project your thoughts

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01:08:04.440 --> 01:08:10.960
<v Speaker 2>into the world, and even the thoughts that you experience inside.

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01:08:11.119 --> 01:08:15.360
<v Speaker 2>There's an importance with all of that, and then how

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01:08:15.400 --> 01:08:19.720
<v Speaker 2>you experience the spirit world. They are one. They cannot

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01:08:19.760 --> 01:08:24.640
<v Speaker 2>be separated. Your actions in the physical world have a

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01:08:24.680 --> 01:08:34.680
<v Speaker 2>consequence in the spiritual right. That's undeniable. Nihilism, hedonism, any

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01:08:34.680 --> 01:08:38.920
<v Speaker 2>sort of philosophy that doesn't encourage you in some way

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01:08:39.039 --> 01:08:44.880
<v Speaker 2>to be a better person. They're evil, they're illusion, they're false,

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01:08:46.439 --> 01:08:52.600
<v Speaker 2>they're destroying you. They are convincing you to do harm

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01:08:53.680 --> 01:08:56.640
<v Speaker 2>to the immortal part of your being, and in the

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01:08:56.680 --> 01:09:01.119
<v Speaker 2>long run, in the you know, however, many thousands or

1086
01:09:01.159 --> 01:09:04.079
<v Speaker 2>millions of years. It takes. You'll eventually figure it out.

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01:09:04.159 --> 01:09:08.239
<v Speaker 2>So and the very high level non human perspective like, ah,

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01:09:08.279 --> 01:09:14.600
<v Speaker 2>you'll be fine, but really, I mean that's like, you know,

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01:09:16.920 --> 01:09:20.359
<v Speaker 2>do you want to experience the hard way, which is

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01:09:20.399 --> 01:09:24.159
<v Speaker 2>you know, trial and error and just stumbling through the

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01:09:24.239 --> 01:09:28.279
<v Speaker 2>dark and you know, being miserable in each incarnation. It's suffering, I.

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01:09:28.239 --> 01:09:31.399
<v Speaker 4>Mean, not even worse than trial and error, like blind.

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01:09:31.079 --> 01:09:31.880
<v Speaker 3>Trial and error.

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01:09:31.960 --> 01:09:37.720
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know, you'd be fine, you got fsent all

1095
01:09:37.760 --> 01:09:41.000
<v Speaker 2>your classes, it'll be okay. You just won't get admitted

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01:09:41.079 --> 01:09:44.399
<v Speaker 2>to college. You know, you won't be admitted to higher learning.

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01:09:44.439 --> 01:09:47.159
<v Speaker 2>I'm sorry, that's a stupid metaphor. I'm not a big

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01:09:47.199 --> 01:09:53.399
<v Speaker 2>fan of college, but and I went anyway. So the

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01:09:53.680 --> 01:09:56.039
<v Speaker 2>demonic spirit thing, I think is really fascinating how there's

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01:09:56.079 --> 01:10:00.560
<v Speaker 2>some sort of barrier and again like they're not all demonic,

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01:10:00.600 --> 01:10:06.520
<v Speaker 2>they just appear that way to scare you. And then

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01:10:06.640 --> 01:10:09.000
<v Speaker 2>like in the Tibetan Book of the Dead, it's like, hey,

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01:10:09.000 --> 01:10:11.079
<v Speaker 2>it's all an illusion of your mind and it's a test,

1104
01:10:11.439 --> 01:10:14.520
<v Speaker 2>and if you realize that, it changes and you become enlightened.

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01:10:14.720 --> 01:10:17.000
<v Speaker 2>And even in that state, you can become enlightened. It's okay.

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01:10:17.159 --> 01:10:20.119
<v Speaker 2>You know you're gonna be scared by scary demons. Don't

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01:10:20.199 --> 01:10:25.359
<v Speaker 2>let it fool you. Basically, so we talked about the

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01:10:25.399 --> 01:10:27.119
<v Speaker 2>six bartows. I'm gonna kind of blow through this part,

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01:10:27.159 --> 01:10:32.439
<v Speaker 2>but we have birth to death, every day, waking existence,

1110
01:10:32.520 --> 01:10:38.720
<v Speaker 2>current life, your habitual patterns, your opportunities for practice, meditation,

1111
01:10:38.840 --> 01:10:43.399
<v Speaker 2>subtle transition into the different thoughts and emotional states. It's

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01:10:43.439 --> 01:10:46.000
<v Speaker 2>the most important borrow for spiritual training. You have the

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01:10:46.039 --> 01:10:49.319
<v Speaker 2>borrow of dreams, the state between falling asleep and waking up.

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01:10:50.479 --> 01:10:53.279
<v Speaker 2>Dreams are seen as illusory projections of the mind. Obviously,

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01:10:53.359 --> 01:10:57.600
<v Speaker 2>that's like, nobody's disputing that, and you have an opportunity

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01:10:57.640 --> 01:11:02.880
<v Speaker 2>here to even become awake in your dreams Samadi right.

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01:11:03.039 --> 01:11:05.720
<v Speaker 2>Or the bartow of meditation. This is the state that

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01:11:05.800 --> 01:11:10.079
<v Speaker 2>you enter during deep meditation when the ordinary conceptual mind

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01:11:10.079 --> 01:11:13.479
<v Speaker 2>dissolves and then pure awareness can shine through. So there's

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01:11:13.720 --> 01:11:15.960
<v Speaker 2>again we already went on and on about that, that

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01:11:16.079 --> 01:11:18.239
<v Speaker 2>was pretty obvious. There's the bardow of dying, which is

1122
01:11:18.239 --> 01:11:23.079
<v Speaker 2>the Cheekai bardow step one, that's the first layer of

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01:11:23.119 --> 01:11:27.479
<v Speaker 2>bardow after death, and it's the actual process of death itself.

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01:11:27.479 --> 01:11:29.800
<v Speaker 2>It's when you're dying and you're passing from the physical

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01:11:29.800 --> 01:11:38.119
<v Speaker 2>body to the afterlife, down to the dissolution of your

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01:11:38.159 --> 01:11:41.000
<v Speaker 2>consciousness and to the clear light and the moment that

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01:11:41.039 --> 01:11:44.319
<v Speaker 2>you take your final breath and your heart stops speeding.

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<v Speaker 2>This is the greatest So according to the after death burdows,

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01:11:51.840 --> 01:11:54.600
<v Speaker 2>this is like the most potential for liberation and enlightenment

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01:11:54.600 --> 01:11:57.840
<v Speaker 2>can be achieved in this stage. Somebody who spent their

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01:11:57.880 --> 01:12:00.640
<v Speaker 2>whole life being a monk die and they will get

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01:12:00.640 --> 01:12:02.720
<v Speaker 2>to this stage and they'll say, oh, I'm dead all right, time,

1133
01:12:02.800 --> 01:12:06.319
<v Speaker 2>you know, time to move on, and they would be fine.

1134
01:12:06.920 --> 01:12:13.319
<v Speaker 2>Somebody whose consciousness is riddled with guilt and fear and negativity,

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01:12:13.439 --> 01:12:15.479
<v Speaker 2>you know, they would struggle here just like they struggled

1136
01:12:15.479 --> 01:12:20.039
<v Speaker 2>everywhere else in life because they were always miserable, and

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01:12:20.159 --> 01:12:22.239
<v Speaker 2>they would struggle through the next few phases and they

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01:12:22.239 --> 01:12:25.119
<v Speaker 2>would I mean, they could in theory figured it out,

1139
01:12:25.119 --> 01:12:28.479
<v Speaker 2>but they probably have to come back uh the Bordo

1140
01:12:28.560 --> 01:12:32.920
<v Speaker 2>layer two after death of Darmata, the luminous visionary phase

1141
01:12:32.960 --> 01:12:35.760
<v Speaker 2>after death were the peaceful and wrathful deities, which are

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01:12:35.800 --> 01:12:40.239
<v Speaker 2>the projections of one own one's own mind appear, and

1143
01:12:40.560 --> 01:12:42.840
<v Speaker 2>this the whole point of this is to recognize them

1144
01:12:42.840 --> 01:12:45.199
<v Speaker 2>as illusion right that they are. They are parts of you.

1145
01:12:45.319 --> 01:12:49.920
<v Speaker 2>It's your karma and your psyche uh or as they

1146
01:12:49.960 --> 01:12:54.039
<v Speaker 2>would say, your scan does, which is the bundles of

1147
01:12:54.399 --> 01:12:58.359
<v Speaker 2>being that constitute your being and personality.

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01:12:58.880 --> 01:12:59.079
<v Speaker 3>Right.

1149
01:13:00.359 --> 01:13:02.880
<v Speaker 2>And then there's the Bardo of becoming or the Sidpa Bardo,

1150
01:13:03.760 --> 01:13:05.760
<v Speaker 2>and this is the one that final phase where you

1151
01:13:05.800 --> 01:13:10.880
<v Speaker 2>basically choose the womb and you're reborn. So the first

1152
01:13:10.960 --> 01:13:14.920
<v Speaker 2>bardo after death is pretty cool because it talks about

1153
01:13:15.680 --> 01:13:18.359
<v Speaker 2>this is when the monk would be reading the passages

1154
01:13:19.199 --> 01:13:21.600
<v Speaker 2>and he'd be saying in your ear and there's like

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01:13:21.760 --> 01:13:24.239
<v Speaker 2>dozens of prayers that they would choose based on a

1156
01:13:24.239 --> 01:13:28.960
<v Speaker 2>certain condition, and they're reading them to you so that

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01:13:29.039 --> 01:13:32.399
<v Speaker 2>your consciousness won't be scared and confused on the passage

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01:13:32.399 --> 01:13:34.840
<v Speaker 2>of death and that maybe you would hear this and

1159
01:13:34.880 --> 01:13:38.079
<v Speaker 2>you would realize, oh, I'm dying, Okay, I have to

1160
01:13:38.119 --> 01:13:40.720
<v Speaker 2>wake up. I can't be tricked by the illusion. But

1161
01:13:40.800 --> 01:13:44.479
<v Speaker 2>when you pass into this first bardo, you enter in

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01:13:44.520 --> 01:13:47.640
<v Speaker 2>a place that's like a cloudless, clear blue sky and

1163
01:13:47.680 --> 01:13:50.720
<v Speaker 2>it's serene and it's peaceful, and it's just like beautiful light.

1164
01:13:53.880 --> 01:13:57.079
<v Speaker 2>It's the luminosity and the emptiness of the mind. You

1165
01:13:57.239 --> 01:13:59.439
<v Speaker 2>enter into the clear void of the mind, which is

1166
01:13:59.479 --> 01:14:05.479
<v Speaker 2>this He's full bliss and stillness. And here either you're like, Okay,

1167
01:14:05.479 --> 01:14:09.039
<v Speaker 2>I'm dead, this is it, or you're like, what's happening?

1168
01:14:09.079 --> 01:14:10.880
<v Speaker 2>What's happening? And if you don't wake up, then you

1169
01:14:10.920 --> 01:14:14.760
<v Speaker 2>move to the next one. Right, what's the next one?

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01:14:15.720 --> 01:14:21.960
<v Speaker 2>This is where uh, stuff starts getting scary. It's where

1171
01:14:22.000 --> 01:14:26.880
<v Speaker 2>they basically the demons like I've talked about over and

1172
01:14:26.920 --> 01:14:30.319
<v Speaker 2>over and the heavenly beings. If you were good, they

1173
01:14:30.319 --> 01:14:37.920
<v Speaker 2>start popping out at you. And this is where you're

1174
01:14:38.119 --> 01:14:40.840
<v Speaker 2>freed from your physical form, at the point where the

1175
01:14:40.840 --> 01:14:46.119
<v Speaker 2>consciousness has fully left the body. So they have levels

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01:14:46.159 --> 01:14:51.600
<v Speaker 2>of time like days, but it's subjective because they're in

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01:14:52.319 --> 01:14:55.279
<v Speaker 2>days spent in the bardow like in the astral world,

1178
01:14:55.279 --> 01:14:58.520
<v Speaker 2>so obviously they're not real Earth days. So they say

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01:14:58.560 --> 01:15:00.880
<v Speaker 2>it's like x number of days than in this state.

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01:15:01.760 --> 01:15:05.920
<v Speaker 2>And you could basically perceive yourself as a luminous thought

1181
01:15:06.000 --> 01:15:10.359
<v Speaker 2>form uh. And wherever you think you go, and the

1182
01:15:10.359 --> 01:15:13.760
<v Speaker 2>more negative your karma, the more wrathful and terrifying the entities,

1183
01:15:13.960 --> 01:15:17.079
<v Speaker 2>and some of them even can look like uh. I

1184
01:15:17.079 --> 01:15:19.199
<v Speaker 2>mean some of the images that were described in the

1185
01:15:19.239 --> 01:15:21.119
<v Speaker 2>Book of the Dead were kind of scary. It was

1186
01:15:21.159 --> 01:15:24.560
<v Speaker 2>like it was it was like, uh, I don't even

1187
01:15:24.600 --> 01:15:28.600
<v Speaker 2>know how to say it, dude, like flesh like like

1188
01:15:29.199 --> 01:15:32.079
<v Speaker 2>chainsaw massacre stuff, you know what I mean. Like if

1189
01:15:32.119 --> 01:15:34.600
<v Speaker 2>you're a really bad person, like you're gonna be tormented

1190
01:15:34.840 --> 01:15:40.800
<v Speaker 2>from your own psyche by you know, horrifying visions, things

1191
01:15:40.880 --> 01:15:43.279
<v Speaker 2>just like pots of blood and just like there was

1192
01:15:43.359 --> 01:15:46.239
<v Speaker 2>some really dark visions, and there's peaceful ones too, of

1193
01:15:46.920 --> 01:15:50.800
<v Speaker 2>angels and you know, these godly that there's Ami Taba,

1194
01:15:50.880 --> 01:15:53.399
<v Speaker 2>which is this We've talked about Ami Taba really briefly

1195
01:15:53.520 --> 01:15:55.159
<v Speaker 2>one time on the show before, but it's like one

1196
01:15:55.159 --> 01:15:59.319
<v Speaker 2>of the highest buddhas love compassion. So really it just

1197
01:15:59.359 --> 01:16:02.800
<v Speaker 2>depends how you were in life. It can appear as

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01:16:02.840 --> 01:16:07.760
<v Speaker 2>sounds and a great thundering clouds, and you know it's

1199
01:16:07.840 --> 01:16:10.560
<v Speaker 2>it's all illusion, and the point of all of it

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01:16:10.640 --> 01:16:14.560
<v Speaker 2>is for you to recognize that. And then there's that

1201
01:16:14.600 --> 01:16:16.920
<v Speaker 2>final version. I kind of covered a lot of this

1202
01:16:17.000 --> 01:16:18.319
<v Speaker 2>before I got here in my notes, so I'm just

1203
01:16:18.359 --> 01:16:20.760
<v Speaker 2>kind of wrapping it up now. But the final version

1204
01:16:20.960 --> 01:16:23.239
<v Speaker 2>is you know, the one where you pick your life

1205
01:16:23.319 --> 01:16:24.680
<v Speaker 2>and you see like vignettes.

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01:16:25.239 --> 01:16:25.560
<v Speaker 3>It could.

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01:16:25.880 --> 01:16:28.399
<v Speaker 2>So what's really interesting about this is based on what

1208
01:16:28.479 --> 01:16:31.239
<v Speaker 2>you see, is based on your karma and where you're

1209
01:16:31.279 --> 01:16:33.600
<v Speaker 2>like destined to going to the next life according to

1210
01:16:33.640 --> 01:16:37.359
<v Speaker 2>this system. Do I think this is literally true?

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01:16:37.840 --> 01:16:38.039
<v Speaker 3>No?

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01:16:38.560 --> 01:16:44.319
<v Speaker 2>I think that it's probably really close. And the point

1213
01:16:44.399 --> 01:16:48.760
<v Speaker 2>is we reincarnate. How could we know unless we've died

1214
01:16:48.800 --> 01:16:52.640
<v Speaker 2>and come back with perfect memory exactly how it goes? Right?

1215
01:16:52.680 --> 01:16:55.439
<v Speaker 2>But it's interesting, and they say that you see like

1216
01:16:55.640 --> 01:17:01.359
<v Speaker 2>rotating images of it's either humans literally populating, or it's animals,

1217
01:17:01.840 --> 01:17:06.359
<v Speaker 2>or its archetypal imagery of the masculine and feminine deity,

1218
01:17:07.439 --> 01:17:12.039
<v Speaker 2>or it's like devils. And depending on what you see

1219
01:17:12.119 --> 01:17:16.319
<v Speaker 2>and are attracted to, is the realm you'll be born in,

1220
01:17:16.720 --> 01:17:20.359
<v Speaker 2>whether it's the human realm, the demon realm, the god realm.

1221
01:17:21.119 --> 01:17:22.720
<v Speaker 2>You know what I'm saying, Like, what you see is

1222
01:17:22.760 --> 01:17:25.199
<v Speaker 2>where you're gonna go, but you're not aware of that

1223
01:17:25.239 --> 01:17:27.640
<v Speaker 2>in the moment. You're an illusion. You know you're you're dead,

1224
01:17:27.720 --> 01:17:30.560
<v Speaker 2>You're like, if you're at this point, you're still under

1225
01:17:30.560 --> 01:17:35.600
<v Speaker 2>the illusion, you're like kind of hypnotized. Basically, I forgot

1226
01:17:35.600 --> 01:17:39.960
<v Speaker 2>to mention that in the second realm, that it's the one.

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01:17:40.880 --> 01:17:46.000
<v Speaker 2>It's like you begin to see a smoke. It's like

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01:17:46.560 --> 01:17:49.920
<v Speaker 2>a smoke that appears. I thought this was interesting too.

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01:17:50.039 --> 01:17:52.079
<v Speaker 2>And if you see like a white, radiant smoke, you

1230
01:17:52.079 --> 01:17:53.640
<v Speaker 2>have a good karma and you're gonna move into a

1231
01:17:54.600 --> 01:17:58.560
<v Speaker 2>positive destination. But if you see this like dark, scary,

1232
01:17:58.960 --> 01:18:03.479
<v Speaker 2>fuzzy smoke, move into like a negative dimension. But I

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01:18:03.520 --> 01:18:05.800
<v Speaker 2>think I've hit it pretty hard. That about wraps it up.

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<v Speaker 3>Man.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, I didn't expect to go that long. But

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<v Speaker 2>what'd you think?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, great job. I really enjoyed listening.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, eventually I'd like to do one on

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<v Speaker 2>the Book of the Dead too, because I find that

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<v Speaker 2>I mean the Egyptian Book of the Dead. Obviously, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>let's do it, and maybe not necessarily the very next episode,

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<v Speaker 2>but I want to circle back and come, like within

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<v Speaker 2>the next few weeks back to that one, and then

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<v Speaker 2>maybe we could do like Divine Comedy. We've been talking

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<v Speaker 2>about that for years. Anyway, that could be cool, and

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<v Speaker 2>I've never actually fully read it, so that'll give me

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<v Speaker 2>the opportunity. Cool. All right, Well, we love you guys,

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<v Speaker 2>thank you for tuning in. I hope you enjoyed this one.

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<v Speaker 2>I hope it wasn't too off the wall, and uh,

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<v Speaker 2>you know we appreciate you. We couldn't do it without you, guys,

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<v Speaker 2>and we'll see you next week. Weird things happen in

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<v Speaker 2>the backyard to let the houses.

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<v Speaker 3>The arden let now houses.

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<v Speaker 1>Just so weird we're no aware.

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<v Speaker 3>Wow.