WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.800 --> 00:00:06.160 What's up everyone, and welcome back to the program. We're 2 00:00:06.160 --> 00:00:11.960 getting reports from People magazine that Brian Cohberger visited the 3 00:00:12.000 --> 00:00:18.000 Mad Greek restaurant at least twice before the victims were killed. Now, 4 00:00:18.079 --> 00:00:20.920 we've talked about the Mad Greek here on this podcast, 5 00:00:21.199 --> 00:00:25.359 theorizing that that was the location that would be ground 6 00:00:25.519 --> 00:00:29.480 zero where it seems the most likely that Brian Cohberger 7 00:00:29.839 --> 00:00:34.679 would have any contact with Madison or Zana or kay 8 00:00:34.759 --> 00:00:37.840 Lee at a place like this, right, a restaurant where 9 00:00:37.840 --> 00:00:41.320 one of them worked, And we know that Xana and 10 00:00:41.520 --> 00:00:44.759 Madison both worked at this restaurant. So you add this 11 00:00:44.920 --> 00:00:48.479 report that he went there at least two times to 12 00:00:48.560 --> 00:00:53.119 the other report of him following Madison, Zana, and kay 13 00:00:53.240 --> 00:00:57.079 Lee on Instagram, and you start to have that whole 14 00:00:57.439 --> 00:01:01.960 motive that some of these defense attorneys have been talking about. Now, 15 00:01:02.000 --> 00:01:05.719 of course, if you look at it just by itself, Okay, 16 00:01:05.760 --> 00:01:08.159 big deal, guy went to go get some vegan food, 17 00:01:08.319 --> 00:01:09.840 grabbed himself a vegan pizza. 18 00:01:10.000 --> 00:01:12.799 What's the big deal. Well, if it was just this, 19 00:01:13.120 --> 00:01:14.519 it wouldn't be a big deal at all. 20 00:01:15.079 --> 00:01:17.120 And if I was sitting on a Jerry and you 21 00:01:17.319 --> 00:01:19.239 just came with this and said, hey, look, he was 22 00:01:19.280 --> 00:01:23.200 at this place twice and Madison and Xana worked there, 23 00:01:23.519 --> 00:01:24.840 so we need to convict him. 24 00:01:24.920 --> 00:01:27.000 I would laugh you out of the courtroom. 25 00:01:27.120 --> 00:01:28.879 But when you add it all up with the other 26 00:01:28.920 --> 00:01:32.439 stuff we know, it all turns into some pretty damning stuff. 27 00:01:32.680 --> 00:01:36.519 For Brian Kohberger, I want to make sure that I add, however, 28 00:01:36.640 --> 00:01:40.159 that this is from an anonymous source. Right, we don't 29 00:01:40.200 --> 00:01:43.280 have anyone putting their name behind this. So there's going 30 00:01:43.359 --> 00:01:45.760 to be people out there who aren't going to believe 31 00:01:45.799 --> 00:01:49.400 these sources. There's people who are under the impression because 32 00:01:49.439 --> 00:01:52.680 there's a gag order, nobody's gonna say a word about 33 00:01:52.680 --> 00:01:56.480 what's going on. But from my experience over the past 34 00:01:56.519 --> 00:02:00.640 four and a half five years covering Jeffrey Epstein, Maxwell, 35 00:02:00.760 --> 00:02:04.760 Gabby Potito, goes on and on, there's always going to 36 00:02:04.760 --> 00:02:07.319 be leaks. And you have to remember it's not just 37 00:02:07.400 --> 00:02:10.560 gonna come from law enforcement. There's a lot of other 38 00:02:10.599 --> 00:02:14.000 people that are working on these cases. You have specialists, 39 00:02:14.280 --> 00:02:18.639 you have contractors. So inevitably people are gonna talk, and 40 00:02:18.719 --> 00:02:22.840 never mind employees or ex employees or friends, and especially 41 00:02:23.080 --> 00:02:26.759 if there's some money offered up for their time. Right, 42 00:02:27.240 --> 00:02:29.960 you think some of these outlets are above paying sources. 43 00:02:30.159 --> 00:02:33.800 They are not. And look, we can talk about the 44 00:02:33.840 --> 00:02:36.719 ethics when it comes to doing something like that as 45 00:02:36.759 --> 00:02:39.879 far as paying people for stories, but that's how a 46 00:02:39.919 --> 00:02:42.879 lot of that stuff gets out there. It's not always 47 00:02:42.960 --> 00:02:47.560 coming from the police or from the prosecution or from 48 00:02:47.639 --> 00:02:51.599 the defense. It's coming from other sources that might have 49 00:02:51.639 --> 00:02:55.680 access to case files or evidence or whatever. 50 00:02:56.400 --> 00:02:57.879 So we have to keep that in mind. 51 00:02:58.240 --> 00:03:00.879 Just because there's a gag order doesn't mean there aren't 52 00:03:00.919 --> 00:03:04.479 ways to a get around it if the prosecution or 53 00:03:04.479 --> 00:03:07.319 defense feels that they want to do that or b 54 00:03:07.960 --> 00:03:10.080 that there's going to be people out there who are 55 00:03:10.120 --> 00:03:15.400 working on the case in whatever capacity that aren't working 56 00:03:15.479 --> 00:03:19.599 for the police department or the FBI, and those people 57 00:03:19.960 --> 00:03:22.759 inevitably are going to leak a little bit of information 58 00:03:23.039 --> 00:03:26.879 from time to time. And these journalists at these bigger 59 00:03:26.879 --> 00:03:31.159 outlets like People here and some of the other outlets 60 00:03:31.240 --> 00:03:35.599 Fox and CNN, they're not paying for their stories, well 61 00:03:35.680 --> 00:03:38.000 at least they say they're not, so they have to 62 00:03:38.080 --> 00:03:40.919 develop sources. And a lot of times people will just 63 00:03:41.039 --> 00:03:45.319 talk to newspaper outlets or journalists because they want their 64 00:03:45.360 --> 00:03:48.800 story told. So we'll see a lot of that leading 65 00:03:48.879 --> 00:03:51.719 up to this trial, and we've talked about that previously. 66 00:03:52.039 --> 00:03:54.560 So it's no shock to me that people has a 67 00:03:54.599 --> 00:03:57.879 source that they've cultivated that's giving them what seems to 68 00:03:57.919 --> 00:04:01.680 be quality information. Now, of course, we always have to 69 00:04:01.759 --> 00:04:04.680 keep in mind that it might be BS. It might 70 00:04:04.719 --> 00:04:07.520 all end up being BS when the chips are down 71 00:04:07.800 --> 00:04:10.400 and there's a trial going on, it might end up 72 00:04:10.400 --> 00:04:13.400 being that this source was wrong, or this source was 73 00:04:13.919 --> 00:04:17.000 taking them for a walk. But I don't think that's 74 00:04:17.040 --> 00:04:20.480 the case here because it all adds up right. It's 75 00:04:20.560 --> 00:04:24.680 not some far fetched, nonsensical BS. You got a guy 76 00:04:24.680 --> 00:04:27.720 who's a vegan. He lives I don't know, eight miles 77 00:04:27.800 --> 00:04:30.800 or so roughly from the mad Greek who has a 78 00:04:30.839 --> 00:04:35.160 pretty good vegan menu, So chances are old boys probably 79 00:04:35.160 --> 00:04:38.519 gonna pop in there at some point. You don't have 80 00:04:38.600 --> 00:04:42.000 to be some kind of great investigator to put that together. 81 00:04:42.399 --> 00:04:44.560 And once you figure that out, well the rest of 82 00:04:44.600 --> 00:04:47.639 it's easy. Where else is he gonna run into these girls? 83 00:04:47.839 --> 00:04:50.319 I guess that'll bar or whatever. But is it as 84 00:04:50.439 --> 00:04:53.800 easy to start stalking somebody from a drunken encounter in 85 00:04:53.839 --> 00:04:56.800 a bar or you know where they work? Now you 86 00:04:56.800 --> 00:04:59.319 can sit on the place, you can case it, you 87 00:04:59.319 --> 00:05:02.480 can figure out their travel patterns, and before you know it, 88 00:05:02.800 --> 00:05:06.199 you know everything about them, basically from following them around 89 00:05:06.199 --> 00:05:10.879 from Afar And let's rewind back to the whole Kaylee 90 00:05:11.040 --> 00:05:14.759 had a stalker thing. All of it makes sense, right, 91 00:05:14.920 --> 00:05:18.079 and the pieces all start to add up. Now it 92 00:05:18.199 --> 00:05:22.439 is circumstantial, and none of this is locked in and 93 00:05:22.600 --> 00:05:25.720 guaranteed to be the truth, but it's certainly starting to 94 00:05:25.720 --> 00:05:29.720 smell like something's cooking here. So with all of that said, 95 00:05:29.959 --> 00:05:33.160 let's get into this article from People magazine and let's 96 00:05:33.199 --> 00:05:37.519 see what they came up with. Headline, Idaho suspect Brian 97 00:05:37.600 --> 00:05:41.879 Cohberger visited restaurant where two victims worked at least twice 98 00:05:42.120 --> 00:05:45.720 before killings. According to a former employee at the Mad 99 00:05:45.759 --> 00:05:49.959 Greek restaurant in Moscow, Idaho, Brian Cohberger came in at 100 00:05:50.079 --> 00:05:54.079 least twice to grab vegan pizza. This article was authored 101 00:05:54.279 --> 00:05:56.600 by Steve Helling. And I know there's some of you 102 00:05:56.639 --> 00:05:58.199 out there that are going to say, look, the Mad 103 00:05:58.199 --> 00:06:01.639 Greek already came out and said that he was never here. Well, 104 00:06:01.720 --> 00:06:04.439 did the Mad Greeks say that or did their lawyers 105 00:06:04.480 --> 00:06:07.920 tell them to say that. Remember, they're not obligated to 106 00:06:07.959 --> 00:06:10.519 tell us anything. They don't have to tell us the truth. 107 00:06:10.920 --> 00:06:13.360 They can come out there and tell us that there's 108 00:06:13.439 --> 00:06:16.600 fairies dancing around in Tutwo's in the waiting room, and 109 00:06:16.639 --> 00:06:18.279 that's why they can't give us information. 110 00:06:18.720 --> 00:06:19.680 Whatever they want to say. 111 00:06:19.680 --> 00:06:23.959 It's not like they're legally bound to tell anybody anything. 112 00:06:23.720 --> 00:06:24.920 Besides the police. 113 00:06:25.680 --> 00:06:27.279 So they could come out and say, we have no 114 00:06:27.399 --> 00:06:30.920 idea who Brian Coburger is. He is not familiar to us, 115 00:06:31.199 --> 00:06:34.240 but at the same time know that there's something else 116 00:06:34.279 --> 00:06:37.519 going on, as far as surveillance videos and as far 117 00:06:37.639 --> 00:06:40.920 as employees recognizing the fact that they might have served 118 00:06:40.920 --> 00:06:45.480 this dude. In the weeks before the slayings of four 119 00:06:45.639 --> 00:06:49.240 University of Idaho students last November, the man now accused 120 00:06:49.279 --> 00:06:52.399 of killing them allegedly ate at the restaurant where two 121 00:06:52.480 --> 00:06:56.160 of the victims worked. According to a former employee at 122 00:06:56.160 --> 00:07:00.279 the Mad Greek restaurant in Moscow, Idaho, Brian Coberger came 123 00:07:00.279 --> 00:07:02.879 in at least twice to grab a vegan pizza. Two 124 00:07:02.959 --> 00:07:07.120 of the victims, Madison Mogen and Xana Kernodle, were servers 125 00:07:07.439 --> 00:07:11.480 at the restaurant. It's unclear if either woman ever waited 126 00:07:11.519 --> 00:07:16.199 on Coburger or if they even interacted, but People confirms 127 00:07:16.439 --> 00:07:19.240 that a now deleted account that appeared to belong to 128 00:07:19.279 --> 00:07:24.519 Coburger once followed both Mogen and Kernodle on Instagram, along 129 00:07:24.560 --> 00:07:28.439 with the third female murder victim, Kaylee Gonsalves, And we're 130 00:07:28.439 --> 00:07:31.680 going to do an article on that as well coming up. 131 00:07:32.000 --> 00:07:35.639 But that was exactly what the suspicion I had was 132 00:07:35.759 --> 00:07:39.519 as well, that Coburger was following them on social media, 133 00:07:39.920 --> 00:07:43.160 because the account that I was looking at previously before 134 00:07:43.199 --> 00:07:47.480 it was scrubbed by Instagram certainly looked like the legitimate 135 00:07:47.560 --> 00:07:50.639 account of Brian Coberger. And then you go back and 136 00:07:50.680 --> 00:07:54.199 you do all of the digital forensics and tie it together, 137 00:07:54.439 --> 00:07:56.279 stuff that I'm not smart enough to do, to be 138 00:07:56.319 --> 00:07:58.800 honest with you, But when you look at what they 139 00:07:58.839 --> 00:08:02.879 found forensically linking it to an email address, and it 140 00:08:02.959 --> 00:08:06.480 certainly seems like that Instagram account, at least that one 141 00:08:07.199 --> 00:08:12.199 was actually Brian Kohberger's Instagram account. So when you add 142 00:08:12.240 --> 00:08:15.000 all of that up and you start putting that together, 143 00:08:15.600 --> 00:08:19.120 you have a little bit more than even foundational building blocks. 144 00:08:19.160 --> 00:08:23.399 At this point. You have a whole ass frame. People 145 00:08:23.759 --> 00:08:27.639 has also confirmed via an investigator familiar with the case, 146 00:08:27.920 --> 00:08:31.319 that law enforcement is aware of the restaurant visits and 147 00:08:31.360 --> 00:08:36.159 that investigators have interviewed employees and owners of the Mad Greek. 148 00:08:36.440 --> 00:08:40.240 They have also collected surveillance video from the restaurant and 149 00:08:40.399 --> 00:08:41.720 surrounding businesses. 150 00:08:42.240 --> 00:08:44.159 So they definitely are our hip to. 151 00:08:44.159 --> 00:08:47.480 What went on here, Meaning the investigators, there's no doubt 152 00:08:47.600 --> 00:08:50.919 that they've done their due diligence. Once again, if myself 153 00:08:51.000 --> 00:08:54.159 and other people were putting those pieces together, do you 154 00:08:54.200 --> 00:08:59.240 really think these FBI investigators and detectives weren't making you know. 155 00:08:59.159 --> 00:09:01.320 Two plus two years of course they were. 156 00:09:01.679 --> 00:09:05.080 It was now just about confirming that for them, making 157 00:09:05.120 --> 00:09:09.039 sure that their suspicions could be confirmed with evidence, and 158 00:09:09.080 --> 00:09:11.600 it certainly looks like there's going to be that evidence 159 00:09:11.879 --> 00:09:17.120 of him being at the Mad Greek. The former employee 160 00:09:17.159 --> 00:09:20.840 tells People that there was nothing suspicious about Coburger's visits 161 00:09:20.879 --> 00:09:23.399 to the Mad Greek, and that he only stood out 162 00:09:23.639 --> 00:09:27.320 because he had a particular order. A strict vegan, Coburger 163 00:09:27.360 --> 00:09:29.960 would check to make sure that his food had not 164 00:09:30.039 --> 00:09:34.600 come into contact with animal products, and that certainly tracks 165 00:09:34.600 --> 00:09:37.960 with what we heard previously about you know, relatives having 166 00:09:37.960 --> 00:09:41.159 to get new pots and pans before Brian Coberger came 167 00:09:41.200 --> 00:09:45.240 over for holiday meals and shit. So it certainly tracks, 168 00:09:45.279 --> 00:09:49.039 it weaves together, it ties together, and it seems as 169 00:09:49.120 --> 00:09:55.799 if this person, this source is telling the truth. Mogan, Kernodle, Gonsalves, 170 00:09:55.879 --> 00:09:58.320 and Ethan Chapin were stabbed to death in an off 171 00:09:58.320 --> 00:10:01.759 camp as rental home in Moscow, Idah, on November thirteenth. 172 00:10:02.039 --> 00:10:04.960 A massed intruder entered the home and killed the four 173 00:10:05.039 --> 00:10:08.279 students with a fixed blade knife. More than a month later, 174 00:10:08.559 --> 00:10:12.159 authorities arrested Coburger, a twenty eight year old graduate student 175 00:10:12.240 --> 00:10:16.600 and teaching assistant at Washington State University. He was charged 176 00:10:16.639 --> 00:10:20.519 with four counts of murder and one count of felony burglary. 177 00:10:21.200 --> 00:10:25.679 Coburger was arrested at his parents Pennsylvania home on December thirtieth. 178 00:10:26.000 --> 00:10:29.919 He waived his extradition to Idaho, meaning he voluntarily agreed 179 00:10:30.080 --> 00:10:33.120 to return to the state to face the charges against him. 180 00:10:33.480 --> 00:10:38.399 He was transported back to Idaho on January fourth. According 181 00:10:38.399 --> 00:10:41.759 to the probable cause affid David obtained by People, one 182 00:10:41.799 --> 00:10:44.840 of the victims surviving roommates said she saw the killer. 183 00:10:45.200 --> 00:10:48.159 The roommate described the figure clad in black clothing and 184 00:10:48.200 --> 00:10:51.399 a mask who walked past her as the person left 185 00:10:51.399 --> 00:10:54.919 the crime scene. And it's going to be interesting just 186 00:10:54.960 --> 00:10:57.200 to talk about that for a minute, to see how 187 00:10:57.240 --> 00:11:01.200 the prosecution goes about getting her store to the jury. 188 00:11:01.759 --> 00:11:05.519 Are they going to have her testify? Are they going 189 00:11:05.559 --> 00:11:08.480 to use a grand jury? So there's you know, several 190 00:11:08.480 --> 00:11:10.559 different things they can do, but it's going to be 191 00:11:10.600 --> 00:11:13.759 interesting to see which pathway they choose to go down. 192 00:11:16.279 --> 00:11:19.679 The affid David also alleged that Coburger was linked to 193 00:11:19.720 --> 00:11:23.879 the crime scene from DNA and cell phone pings. Authorities 194 00:11:24.080 --> 00:11:27.639 have not publicly disclosed the suspected motive in the killings. 195 00:11:27.919 --> 00:11:31.399 Coburger has not yet entered a plea, His next hearing 196 00:11:31.600 --> 00:11:35.200 isn't until June twenty sixth, and his attorneys have not 197 00:11:35.360 --> 00:11:39.039 returned people's messages for comment, and they're not going to. 198 00:11:40.000 --> 00:11:43.159 Don't expect Dan Taylor or anyone working on the case 199 00:11:43.240 --> 00:11:46.000 directly to speak to the media. That is not going 200 00:11:46.039 --> 00:11:49.840 to happen. The only information, like I've said before, is 201 00:11:49.840 --> 00:11:52.960 going to be the court filings and whatever people can 202 00:11:52.960 --> 00:11:57.200 get from leaks and sources that they develop all right, folks, 203 00:11:57.279 --> 00:11:59.039 So that's going to do it for this one. And 204 00:11:59.120 --> 00:12:01.559 if you'd like to contact you can do that at 205 00:12:01.600 --> 00:12:06.600 Bobby Kapucci at ProtonMail dot com. That's bo Bby c 206 00:12:06.799 --> 00:12:10.480 apu Cci at proton mail dot com. 207 00:12:10.679 --> 00:12:11.840 You can also find me on. 208 00:12:11.840 --> 00:12:17.360 Twitter at bo bby Underscore c ap u Cci. 209 00:12:17.919 --> 00:12:20.360 The link that I discussed can be found in the 210 00:12:20.399 --> 00:12:25.200 description box. We thin It's coalition. What's up everyone, and 211 00:12:25.360 --> 00:12:27.799 welcome back to the program. 212 00:12:28.519 --> 00:12:32.759 Yesterday we were talking about the report that Brian Kolberger 213 00:12:33.120 --> 00:12:36.200 ate at the Mad Greek at least two times. Well, 214 00:12:36.279 --> 00:12:39.480 now the owner of the Mad Greek is coming out 215 00:12:39.519 --> 00:12:41.000 and refuting that report. 216 00:12:41.399 --> 00:12:44.200 However, I don't know if I buy what she's selling. 217 00:12:45.240 --> 00:12:47.559 It would make sense that the owner of this store 218 00:12:47.679 --> 00:12:50.240 wouldn't want this store to be in the headlines with 219 00:12:50.360 --> 00:12:53.080 all the wild ass, wacky people out there who think 220 00:12:53.080 --> 00:12:55.919 they're part of the story, who are probably calling there 221 00:12:56.039 --> 00:13:00.000 breaking their chops. But for me, I happen to belie 222 00:13:00.080 --> 00:13:03.600 leave the source that people has cultivated, and I believe 223 00:13:03.679 --> 00:13:06.440 that he was in fact at the Mad Greek, and 224 00:13:06.559 --> 00:13:09.159 later on down the road we'll find that out one. 225 00:13:09.000 --> 00:13:11.879 Way or the other. Either he was or he wasn't right. 226 00:13:12.200 --> 00:13:14.799 We're gonna find that out at the trial or maybe 227 00:13:14.840 --> 00:13:18.320 during the discovery, but either way, as of right now, 228 00:13:18.720 --> 00:13:21.360 all we have to go on are what the owner 229 00:13:21.519 --> 00:13:23.759 of the Mad Greek has to say and what the 230 00:13:23.840 --> 00:13:27.279 source from people is telling us. And remember it's not 231 00:13:27.480 --> 00:13:30.600 just the one source from people, it's the ex employee 232 00:13:31.039 --> 00:13:34.480 and a law enforcement official that's close to the investigation. 233 00:13:35.399 --> 00:13:38.039 So you're gonna have to decide for yourself what you believe, 234 00:13:38.639 --> 00:13:40.480 and to do that you have to have all the 235 00:13:40.519 --> 00:13:41.960 context that's possible. 236 00:13:42.320 --> 00:13:44.879 So we're definitely gonna add all sides of the. 237 00:13:44.840 --> 00:13:48.399 Story here on the podcast, because, as you know, I'm 238 00:13:48.399 --> 00:13:50.679 not trying to have confirmation bias here and I'm not 239 00:13:50.720 --> 00:13:54.759 trying to chase down any kind of pigeonholed speculation. So 240 00:13:54.919 --> 00:13:58.679 if they weren't at this restaurant, that's fine, but I'm 241 00:13:58.679 --> 00:14:01.039 gonna need more of a source than the owner of 242 00:14:01.080 --> 00:14:04.399 the restaurant coming out and saying this. Considering imagine, if 243 00:14:04.440 --> 00:14:06.519 you own this restaurant, do you really want to talk 244 00:14:06.559 --> 00:14:09.639 about two of your employees who were murdered by somebody 245 00:14:09.639 --> 00:14:13.720 who was patronizing the restaurant? Probably not great for business, right, 246 00:14:14.240 --> 00:14:17.720 never mind the investigation. Let's talk about the bottom line here, 247 00:14:18.840 --> 00:14:21.679 and a lot of that is what plays into this. 248 00:14:21.879 --> 00:14:22.080 Right. 249 00:14:22.720 --> 00:14:25.600 This owner doesn't want people calling there, going there, and 250 00:14:25.639 --> 00:14:29.559 you have to understand that that's very, very understandable. This 251 00:14:29.679 --> 00:14:32.159 lady has a business to run. And let's not forget 252 00:14:32.240 --> 00:14:35.399 that these were her employees. These aren't just names in 253 00:14:35.440 --> 00:14:38.240 a story. These are people that she knew, people that 254 00:14:38.279 --> 00:14:40.639 were at the job every single day, that you know, 255 00:14:40.720 --> 00:14:44.320 she built a relationship with. So we have to keep 256 00:14:44.320 --> 00:14:47.600 that in mind as well. But the overall story, the 257 00:14:47.679 --> 00:14:51.960 overall connection of him running into them at the Mad Greek, 258 00:14:52.679 --> 00:14:54.679 I just think it's something that fits well in this 259 00:14:54.840 --> 00:14:58.759 story and it would make a lot of things make sense. However, 260 00:14:59.039 --> 00:15:02.159 I am certainly open into wherever the evidence leads us. 261 00:15:02.559 --> 00:15:05.360 So with that said, let's see what the owner of 262 00:15:05.399 --> 00:15:11.440 the Mad Greek has to say. Headline Idaho murders restaurant 263 00:15:11.440 --> 00:15:14.279 where two victims work disputes report. 264 00:15:14.159 --> 00:15:15.840 That Brian Coberger ate there. 265 00:15:16.720 --> 00:15:20.080 This article was published by Fox News and the author 266 00:15:20.120 --> 00:15:25.200 of this article is Adam Sabs. The owner of a Moscow, 267 00:15:25.240 --> 00:15:29.080 Idaho restaurant where two slain students worked is speaking out 268 00:15:29.080 --> 00:15:33.320 after one report claimed that quadruple murder suspect Brian Coberger 269 00:15:33.600 --> 00:15:38.200 visited the business twice, saying that is inaccurate. So she's saying, 270 00:15:38.399 --> 00:15:41.200 the owner that Brian Coberger has never ever been at 271 00:15:41.200 --> 00:15:43.600 the Mad Greek. That's what she's telling us. That's what 272 00:15:43.639 --> 00:15:46.240 she wants you to believe. Now, the question is, do 273 00:15:46.279 --> 00:15:49.759 you believe that he lived within eight miles of this restaurant? 274 00:15:50.159 --> 00:15:55.200 It has quite the vegan selection. So is it really 275 00:15:55.279 --> 00:15:58.000 that far of a stretch to think that this dude 276 00:15:58.320 --> 00:16:00.960 visited this restaurant for lunch one day, or maybe you 277 00:16:01.000 --> 00:16:03.440 went in there at night or something like that while 278 00:16:03.440 --> 00:16:07.240 they were working, who knows. According to the owner, it 279 00:16:07.279 --> 00:16:12.240 never happened. A People article published on Thursday claims that 280 00:16:12.320 --> 00:16:15.799 Coburger visited the Mad Greek where Madison Mogan and Xana 281 00:16:15.840 --> 00:16:20.879 Kernodle worked, and ordered vegan pizza, citing a former employee. 282 00:16:20.919 --> 00:16:24.120 The owner of the Mad Greek, Jackie Fisher, says in 283 00:16:24.159 --> 00:16:27.840 a Facebook post that the report is based on completely 284 00:16:27.879 --> 00:16:33.399 fabricated information. So why would somebody fabricate that information? Why 285 00:16:33.440 --> 00:16:35.879 would somebody just come up with that and say that 286 00:16:35.960 --> 00:16:38.399 he has been there if he hasn't. And then not 287 00:16:38.440 --> 00:16:41.360 only that but reported to the authorities. That would be 288 00:16:41.440 --> 00:16:44.679 a bit foolish, right, Send the authorities on a wild 289 00:16:44.679 --> 00:16:47.840 goose chase. There would be some penalties for that, you 290 00:16:47.879 --> 00:16:51.639 would think wasting police resources in a case like this. 291 00:16:52.279 --> 00:16:53.519 I don't think it's a good idea. 292 00:16:54.919 --> 00:16:57.799 The news media should really do their due diligence before 293 00:16:57.919 --> 00:17:02.000 running a story with completely fabric information. This will be 294 00:17:02.039 --> 00:17:04.559 my only response to this story from people it is 295 00:17:04.640 --> 00:17:07.680 not true. Fisher wrote, Well, that's really not going to 296 00:17:07.720 --> 00:17:08.039 cut it. 297 00:17:08.079 --> 00:17:08.519 Honestly. 298 00:17:08.920 --> 00:17:11.599 Just saying it's not true is all fine and well, 299 00:17:11.880 --> 00:17:16.480 but it really doesn't do anything to dispute this report. Again, 300 00:17:16.559 --> 00:17:19.519 there's a lot that goes into it from an owner's perspective, right, 301 00:17:19.799 --> 00:17:22.119 and we have to keep that all in mind. The 302 00:17:22.200 --> 00:17:25.079 last thing you want is your restaurant to be associated 303 00:17:25.240 --> 00:17:28.240 with these murders. So of course they're going to be 304 00:17:28.319 --> 00:17:31.480 cautious about what they say, what they have their employees say. 305 00:17:31.599 --> 00:17:33.680 And if you don't think that they have a lawyer involved, 306 00:17:33.799 --> 00:17:37.960 you are crazy. They most certainly do. And here's where 307 00:17:38.000 --> 00:17:40.920 it gets a little interesting. I also have not forbidden 308 00:17:40.920 --> 00:17:44.880 employees from speaking to reporters. We all decided collectively to 309 00:17:44.920 --> 00:17:48.839 support the families and not share anything that could potentially 310 00:17:48.880 --> 00:17:53.200 harm the investigation or cause the families more stress. She added, 311 00:17:53.440 --> 00:17:55.599 So if there was nothing to share, then what's the 312 00:17:55.640 --> 00:17:58.200 big deal. You shouldn't have to get together with all 313 00:17:58.240 --> 00:18:01.759 of your employees and talk about collectively not sharing anything 314 00:18:01.960 --> 00:18:04.960 that might be harmful if there was nothing to share. Right, 315 00:18:05.680 --> 00:18:08.400 So her whole statement to me really doesn't make all 316 00:18:08.440 --> 00:18:11.839 that much sense. But if she says he wasn't there, okay, 317 00:18:12.119 --> 00:18:16.680 we'll have to roll with that. The People report also 318 00:18:16.759 --> 00:18:20.160 stated that an investigator familiar with the case said that 319 00:18:20.240 --> 00:18:24.240 law enforcement is aware of Coburger's visit to the restaurant. 320 00:18:24.640 --> 00:18:28.440 And notice she doesn't refute that report right, that there's 321 00:18:28.480 --> 00:18:32.680 an investigator, or that the investigators are aware that Coburger 322 00:18:32.799 --> 00:18:36.279 allegedly was at this restaurant two different times. You notice 323 00:18:36.279 --> 00:18:39.519 she only brings up her employees, right, doesn't say anything else. 324 00:18:41.000 --> 00:18:45.519 Ethan Chapin, Zanti Kernodle, Madison Mogan, and Kaylee Gonsalvez were 325 00:18:45.559 --> 00:18:48.359 allegedly stabbed to death by twenty eight year old suspect 326 00:18:48.400 --> 00:18:52.559 Brian Cohberger during the early morning hours of November thirteenth 327 00:18:52.680 --> 00:18:57.880 in Moscow, Idaho. Coburger, a Washington State University teaching assistant 328 00:18:58.200 --> 00:19:01.599 and PhD student in the depart of Criminal Justice was 329 00:19:01.720 --> 00:19:06.759 arrested on December thirtieth in all Brightsville, Pennsylvania. He is 330 00:19:06.799 --> 00:19:09.759 facing four counts of first degree murder and one count 331 00:19:09.759 --> 00:19:12.680 of burglary with the intent to commit murder. If he's 332 00:19:12.680 --> 00:19:15.960 convicted of the first degree murder, Coburger faces life in 333 00:19:16.000 --> 00:19:17.799 prison or the death penalty. 334 00:19:18.200 --> 00:19:18.519 Yeah. 335 00:19:18.680 --> 00:19:21.039 I'm thinking it's going to be the death penalty. Remember 336 00:19:21.079 --> 00:19:23.799 we're in Idaho. You know, those yokels are going to 337 00:19:23.839 --> 00:19:27.359 show up in their overalls and their farmers hats and 338 00:19:27.440 --> 00:19:32.119 be ready to rock. Pennsylvania State Police Major Christopher of 339 00:19:32.200 --> 00:19:35.599 Paris said during a press conference on January third that 340 00:19:35.759 --> 00:19:38.759 force was used to gain entrance to the Coburger home 341 00:19:39.039 --> 00:19:43.839 during the early morning hours of December thirtieth in all Brightsville, Pennsylvania. 342 00:19:44.400 --> 00:19:47.440 There were multiple windows that were broken, I believe to 343 00:19:47.480 --> 00:19:51.160 gain access, as well as multiple doors, Paris said during 344 00:19:51.200 --> 00:19:54.920 the press adding that Brian Coberger's parents were home at 345 00:19:54.920 --> 00:19:57.319 the time, and you know, I feel bad for Brian 346 00:19:57.359 --> 00:20:01.720 Colberger's parents. Honestly, have you seen his mom and dad? 347 00:20:02.240 --> 00:20:06.079 It's just the collateral damage that's caused by something like 348 00:20:06.160 --> 00:20:11.319 this is just unspeakable because even the people that are murderers, 349 00:20:11.640 --> 00:20:14.799 like they allege Brian Kolberger to be, he has family 350 00:20:14.799 --> 00:20:18.000 who loves him, right, his mom is dad, his sister, 351 00:20:18.519 --> 00:20:21.160 and all of that collateral damage added on to the 352 00:20:21.160 --> 00:20:22.119 rest of the misery. 353 00:20:22.599 --> 00:20:23.640 It's just all bad. 354 00:20:24.680 --> 00:20:28.200 But as far as the mad Greek goes, I mean, look, 355 00:20:28.640 --> 00:20:31.000 you're gonna have to believe whatever it is that you 356 00:20:31.279 --> 00:20:34.839 wanna believe, whatever you think is the truth. But my 357 00:20:35.000 --> 00:20:38.640 personal opinion is he was at this restaurant. Now, I 358 00:20:38.720 --> 00:20:42.039 certainly can't prove that, and the owner, well they would 359 00:20:42.039 --> 00:20:44.480 know better than me, right, But at the same time, 360 00:20:44.519 --> 00:20:47.480 we have to understand that the owner is motivated by 361 00:20:47.599 --> 00:20:51.200 other things as far as business, as far as, like 362 00:20:51.240 --> 00:20:54.079 she said, not wanting to be involved in the investigation 363 00:20:54.559 --> 00:20:55.960 or make it harder on the police. 364 00:20:56.000 --> 00:20:57.400 I can understand that completely. 365 00:20:57.920 --> 00:21:00.559 And if you got together with your employees and you 366 00:21:00.640 --> 00:21:03.480 all came to some kind of agreement to not say 367 00:21:03.519 --> 00:21:06.319 anything to try and make things go more smoothly during 368 00:21:06.359 --> 00:21:10.240 the investigation, I could see how one employee, you know, 369 00:21:10.400 --> 00:21:14.119 deviating from that course could be annoying, could be frustrating, 370 00:21:14.759 --> 00:21:17.240 and if it was just that one employee that was 371 00:21:17.359 --> 00:21:19.960 the source, then I'd be more inclined to believe the 372 00:21:20.000 --> 00:21:23.160 owner here. But we know that the investigators are involved 373 00:21:23.160 --> 00:21:25.559 as well, and we know that they scoured all of 374 00:21:25.599 --> 00:21:29.960 these stores previously for video and surveillance and all of 375 00:21:30.000 --> 00:21:33.960 the rest of it. So if Coburger was in that store, 376 00:21:34.240 --> 00:21:37.480 the Mad Greek, then they're gonna know that, and eventually 377 00:21:37.640 --> 00:21:41.119 when this trial comes, we're gonna know it too. But 378 00:21:41.559 --> 00:21:44.319 I could totally see what the owner's doing here trying 379 00:21:44.359 --> 00:21:47.799 to put out this fire. I can't imagine how many 380 00:21:47.799 --> 00:21:51.000 people are contacting them, calling them, trying to get interviews. 381 00:21:51.400 --> 00:21:53.799 And when you have a business to run and you're 382 00:21:53.839 --> 00:21:56.960 dealing with the tragedy of losing some employees, can't be 383 00:21:57.000 --> 00:21:59.519 an easy road to navigate. So I do have a 384 00:21:59.559 --> 00:22:03.160 lot of compassion for them, no doubt about it. And 385 00:22:03.279 --> 00:22:05.799 with her coming out making this statement that she's not 386 00:22:05.839 --> 00:22:08.160 going to make any other statements, then I think that 387 00:22:08.200 --> 00:22:11.680 the media, the legacy media, should respect that and leave 388 00:22:11.720 --> 00:22:14.319 them alone over there. If any of the other employees 389 00:22:14.400 --> 00:22:16.880 want to come forward and speak, then that's one thing, 390 00:22:17.240 --> 00:22:20.960 but nobody should harass them or the Corner Club or 391 00:22:21.039 --> 00:22:24.039 any of these other places that were affected by this tragedy. 392 00:22:24.440 --> 00:22:26.680 If people want to talk, they'll talk. You know, one 393 00:22:26.720 --> 00:22:29.920 phone calls fine, But the harassment that you see from 394 00:22:29.960 --> 00:22:32.799 the legacy media sometimes is a bit much. There is 395 00:22:32.880 --> 00:22:35.880 no doubt, and you have to think with a story 396 00:22:36.000 --> 00:22:39.680 like this, any little piece of information coming out is 397 00:22:39.759 --> 00:22:44.240 going to cause a maelstrom of activity. So you own 398 00:22:44.319 --> 00:22:48.039 a business in this small town, especially a business that's 399 00:22:48.079 --> 00:22:50.839 thrust into the middle of all of this, it can't 400 00:22:50.880 --> 00:22:54.279 be an enjoyable time. So we have to recognize that 401 00:22:54.720 --> 00:22:58.160