WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.840 --> 00:00:04.120 Sometimes in the world of killers, the idea that they 2 00:00:04.120 --> 00:00:06.679 can get away with their crimes gets the best of them. 3 00:00:07.160 --> 00:00:09.800 Some can't help but return to the scene of the crime. 4 00:00:10.599 --> 00:00:13.919 Others keep mementos from their victims stored in their homes, 5 00:00:14.720 --> 00:00:19.359 and others taunt investigators by leaving cryptic clues or messages. 6 00:00:20.559 --> 00:00:23.879 In the nineteen eighties, Florida would find itself home to 7 00:00:24.000 --> 00:00:27.760 a crime that boasted such messages, and it would be 8 00:00:27.800 --> 00:00:31.079 one that would go down in the history books as 9 00:00:31.120 --> 00:00:36.439 one of the strangest unsolved murders in American history. This 10 00:00:37.359 --> 00:00:40.880 is the case known as the Liquid Matthew Murders. 11 00:00:42.200 --> 00:00:46.240 My name's Ben, I'm Nicole, and you're listening to Wicked and. 12 00:00:46.200 --> 00:00:51.039 Grim, a true crime podcast. 13 00:00:51.799 --> 00:01:21.959 Following mature audience listener discretion, Welcome back to Wicked and Graham, Yes, welcome. 14 00:01:22.159 --> 00:01:25.280 What do you think of that intro? Captivating? It was 15 00:01:25.439 --> 00:01:26.159 has your attention? 16 00:01:26.640 --> 00:01:28.959 Our intro's always get my attention. But that just means 17 00:01:28.959 --> 00:01:29.640 we're doing it right. 18 00:01:29.959 --> 00:01:32.920 That's true. We're doing it right, doing it right, And 19 00:01:33.480 --> 00:01:35.319 I'm sorry, that's really terrible about us. 20 00:01:35.400 --> 00:01:38.079 Right before this, we were literally just singing, we are family, 21 00:01:38.319 --> 00:01:38.799 if you were. 22 00:01:39.000 --> 00:01:41.040 We were just making up our own renditions. So here 23 00:01:41.040 --> 00:01:42.879 we are again. Yeah, you know, it's just never a 24 00:01:42.920 --> 00:01:46.079 null moment in this tiny home. Yeah. So yeah, the 25 00:01:46.079 --> 00:01:50.040 case today is an unsolved one, and I'm guaranteeing you 26 00:01:50.120 --> 00:01:51.640 now it's going to piss Nicole off. 27 00:01:51.760 --> 00:01:55.000 Yeah, apparently that's just what's going down today. 28 00:01:55.840 --> 00:01:58.519 To piss you off. I'm slapping money on it right now. 29 00:01:58.640 --> 00:02:01.719 I'm really looking forward to this. Yet, I felt like 30 00:02:01.760 --> 00:02:03.840 I wanted to be pissed the fuck off today. 31 00:02:04.640 --> 00:02:07.920 I wanted to piss you off today. That was my 32 00:02:07.959 --> 00:02:11.280 goal with this one. Oh my gosh, this case seems 33 00:02:11.319 --> 00:02:15.400 really interesting to me. There's certain things about it which 34 00:02:15.400 --> 00:02:17.240 I can't say yet because we're going to get into it. 35 00:02:17.520 --> 00:02:23.039 There's certain things about it that are frustrating, aggravating, entertaining, 36 00:02:23.479 --> 00:02:26.199 and interesting all in the same boat. 37 00:02:26.639 --> 00:02:28.159 And we're going down to Florida again. 38 00:02:28.639 --> 00:02:30.000 We are going down to Florida again. 39 00:02:31.199 --> 00:02:33.680 And also I guess just wait, the last one went 40 00:02:33.719 --> 00:02:36.840 to Florida. I think that was our Patreon. Was it 41 00:02:36.879 --> 00:02:38.919 a Florida man? That's Patreon? 42 00:02:39.080 --> 00:02:40.439 Was it a Patreon one? I think? 43 00:02:40.520 --> 00:02:40.599 So? 44 00:02:40.800 --> 00:02:43.800 Okay, thanks, so well, we are going to be going 45 00:02:43.879 --> 00:02:45.879 to Florida again. Here I'll touch on that here shortly, 46 00:02:46.400 --> 00:02:48.479 but I do also want to give a quick shout 47 00:02:48.479 --> 00:02:52.319 out to Patreon and our patron's over there. So we 48 00:02:52.360 --> 00:02:54.680 always have patrons who sign up every week for Patreon 49 00:02:54.960 --> 00:02:56.919 join us over there, and we have a bunch more 50 00:02:56.919 --> 00:03:00.400 people who signed up this week. So this week we 51 00:03:00.439 --> 00:03:03.800 have Alison Rabiro. She she told me I was gonna 52 00:03:03.800 --> 00:03:06.919 pronounce her name wrong, so we'll see. So I'm gonna 53 00:03:06.919 --> 00:03:09.560 try one more time just to make sure Alison or 54 00:03:09.639 --> 00:03:12.319 Ra Biro whoa? I was like, should a roll v R? 55 00:03:12.360 --> 00:03:14.080 And she's like the first one, So I think I 56 00:03:14.080 --> 00:03:16.360 think I might have got it in one of those tries. Yeah, 57 00:03:16.479 --> 00:03:19.120 I probably that sounds pretty good. Allison's probably laughing her 58 00:03:19.159 --> 00:03:22.639 ass off right now. Sorry, Alison, appreciate you helping us 59 00:03:22.639 --> 00:03:26.199 out and how to say your name. So Alison signed up. 60 00:03:26.280 --> 00:03:31.199 We also have Rosie, Joseph Stayton, Megan Groves shout out 61 00:03:31.240 --> 00:03:34.639 to Megan friend Local, and kimber. 62 00:03:34.479 --> 00:03:39.080 Long right on this week it is I Like It. 63 00:03:39.240 --> 00:03:42.080 And over on Hatreon. This week we also had everyone 64 00:03:42.680 --> 00:03:45.960 do a little bit of a vote a vote I 65 00:03:45.960 --> 00:03:47.080 want to tell us about that. 66 00:03:47.560 --> 00:03:51.479 Well, just basically trying to let people choose our next case. Well, 67 00:03:51.520 --> 00:03:53.120 it's not gonna be our next one, because the next 68 00:03:53.120 --> 00:03:56.800 one we already have started our research process, but like 69 00:03:56.840 --> 00:03:59.400 maybe one after that or one after that, I don't know, 70 00:03:59.439 --> 00:04:00.599 but very soon. 71 00:04:00.400 --> 00:04:01.479 In the next few weeks. 72 00:04:01.680 --> 00:04:04.199 And yeah, we got recommendations and then we kind of 73 00:04:04.240 --> 00:04:07.280 picked the top recommendations and then we had a vote 74 00:04:07.319 --> 00:04:07.960 on those. 75 00:04:08.080 --> 00:04:12.680 And out of that vote, the top case was Maddie Clifton. 76 00:04:13.639 --> 00:04:15.439 I was I wasn't going to actually say, but I thought, 77 00:04:15.479 --> 00:04:17.600 maybe you're not screw it, let's say it. So Patreon 78 00:04:17.839 --> 00:04:20.279 selected the case of Maddie Clifton going to be coming 79 00:04:20.360 --> 00:04:21.680 up in the next few weeks. So if you like 80 00:04:21.759 --> 00:04:23.759 that case, you know that case was. 81 00:04:23.879 --> 00:04:26.720 I haven't looked recently at how the voting ended up being. 82 00:04:26.839 --> 00:04:30.639 Was it closely? Maddie was a clear clear winner out 83 00:04:30.680 --> 00:04:31.800 of the top three, So. 84 00:04:31.959 --> 00:04:33.800 And I need to google that when I'm not even 85 00:04:33.959 --> 00:04:34.639 sure what it is. 86 00:04:35.480 --> 00:04:37.240 That's another one that I looked at either. Yeah, so 87 00:04:37.319 --> 00:04:38.879 there's a lot of cases out there, and for us, 88 00:04:38.879 --> 00:04:41.480 I mean, we're researching all the time, they kind of 89 00:04:41.480 --> 00:04:44.720 blurred together sometimes so Starry, we do know this case, 90 00:04:44.759 --> 00:04:46.120 it's just not possibly. 91 00:04:46.199 --> 00:04:48.480 But then we also did realize that we're not quite 92 00:04:48.560 --> 00:04:51.639 as as true crime fanatics as we thought we were. 93 00:04:51.720 --> 00:04:54.360 Oh that's true one percent. Now you guys out there 94 00:04:54.360 --> 00:04:56.360 are way more into this. I'm not into it, Like 95 00:04:56.360 --> 00:04:59.160 we're just as into it. You're way more knowledgeable than Yeah. 96 00:04:59.279 --> 00:05:01.519 We we do our research on these cases, and it's like, 97 00:05:01.680 --> 00:05:04.399 crazy cool. We learnt a lot where you guys are like, yeah, 98 00:05:04.439 --> 00:05:08.319 we knew all that already. So yeah, that's cool. Though, 99 00:05:08.360 --> 00:05:11.120 that's good. There is actually also something crazy cool that 100 00:05:11.240 --> 00:05:15.399 happened this week in the Great White Norse. The Great 101 00:05:15.399 --> 00:05:19.199 White Norse, we had a a wild encounter on our 102 00:05:19.319 --> 00:05:20.959 doorstep here. It was the. 103 00:05:20.920 --> 00:05:23.319 Cutest, one of the cutest things I've ever witnessed in 104 00:05:23.319 --> 00:05:24.040 my entire life. 105 00:05:24.120 --> 00:05:26.759 It was pretty adorable. Yeah, so out our front door, 106 00:05:27.160 --> 00:05:31.560 just across like the our walkway to our entrance whatever, 107 00:05:31.600 --> 00:05:33.279 on the other side of our fence that we have 108 00:05:33.360 --> 00:05:36.680 for our dog, we have our quad, our four wheeler 109 00:05:37.000 --> 00:05:41.240 stored there for the winter, and our dogs just staring 110 00:05:41.279 --> 00:05:43.839 at it. Yeah, she's a little hunter. 111 00:05:44.040 --> 00:05:47.920 She she likes to to make animals feel uncomfortable. 112 00:05:48.160 --> 00:05:50.199 And I was like, right away, I'm like, there's probably 113 00:05:50.240 --> 00:05:53.040 a mouse starting to make a home something in that quad. 114 00:05:53.079 --> 00:05:54.759 This is going to be fun, which isn't good. It 115 00:05:54.800 --> 00:05:56.199 could cause some damage, Oh it can. 116 00:05:56.199 --> 00:05:58.279 Especially with the chew and wires or something. Yeah, but 117 00:05:58.360 --> 00:06:01.800 it was far worse than I'm out good because it 118 00:06:02.240 --> 00:06:05.639 was a weasel yea, and the weasel could do it Ferret, well, 119 00:06:06.040 --> 00:06:09.240 Ferret is a large weasel basically, yeah, but a little 120 00:06:09.279 --> 00:06:11.879 white weasel. These weasels could do way more damage than 121 00:06:11.879 --> 00:06:12.279 the mouse. 122 00:06:12.800 --> 00:06:18.560 So yeah, what I don't know, just how you're describing 123 00:06:18.600 --> 00:06:21.000 it is so funny. But anyway, I'm going to take 124 00:06:21.079 --> 00:06:23.160 over because you're just sing. 125 00:06:22.839 --> 00:06:25.360 Pausey Well, I was waiting for you to jump in. 126 00:06:25.720 --> 00:06:27.720 I just feel like I'm just telling the whole story. 127 00:06:28.079 --> 00:06:30.959 So rips after the squad just she'll sit there for 128 00:06:31.040 --> 00:06:34.319 days just staring at the quad with the weasel in there, right, 129 00:06:34.879 --> 00:06:36.920 And so we're like, hey, we're gonna go out there 130 00:06:36.959 --> 00:06:39.360 and try to get this weasel out. But first it 131 00:06:39.560 --> 00:06:41.920 just like at one moment popped Where did it pop 132 00:06:41.959 --> 00:06:43.240 out from under the seat? 133 00:06:43.360 --> 00:06:45.240 Kind of right, It was right of the steering column, 134 00:06:45.319 --> 00:06:47.600 right where the steering goes down by the gas tank. 135 00:06:47.839 --> 00:06:49.920 There's a little gap there, and it popped its head out. 136 00:06:49.839 --> 00:06:51.879 There, just this tiny, little white weasel and it was 137 00:06:51.920 --> 00:06:54.720 like and it was the cutest shit I've ever seen 138 00:06:54.759 --> 00:06:55.199 in my life. 139 00:06:55.319 --> 00:06:57.839 Yeah, it did it like four times, popped its head out, squeak, 140 00:06:58.319 --> 00:07:01.879 gone yepped his head squeak, just like telling Ripley off, 141 00:07:01.879 --> 00:07:04.639 being like fuck you, and then gone yeah, like it's hilarious. 142 00:07:04.680 --> 00:07:07.079 I can't believe that it would stick up for itself 143 00:07:07.120 --> 00:07:09.240 to like this. I mean, Rip's on a huge dog, 144 00:07:09.319 --> 00:07:10.240 but still she would. 145 00:07:10.079 --> 00:07:12.399 Have did to be fair though, to be fair, you're 146 00:07:12.439 --> 00:07:16.560 all about it, to be fair, be fair. Weasels are mean, 147 00:07:17.040 --> 00:07:18.480 they will fight your fucking well. 148 00:07:18.519 --> 00:07:20.000 No, you kind of made me afraid of it. So 149 00:07:20.000 --> 00:07:21.439 then when we're trying to get out of the quad, 150 00:07:21.480 --> 00:07:22.560 I was like, shit, like. 151 00:07:22.800 --> 00:07:25.480 Oh no, they will take off, but they will also 152 00:07:25.560 --> 00:07:27.160 stand their ground. Yeah you know what I mean. 153 00:07:27.319 --> 00:07:29.240 We kind of had it surrounded, so then I stepped 154 00:07:29.240 --> 00:07:30.720 back and we did end up being able to get 155 00:07:30.720 --> 00:07:32.920 out of the quad. But yeah, so Rip would have 156 00:07:32.959 --> 00:07:34.519 killed that thing in a hearty Oh yeah. 157 00:07:34.319 --> 00:07:36.439 She would have shredded it, but that weasel would have 158 00:07:36.439 --> 00:07:38.040 fought back. It wouldn't have fought for long, but it 159 00:07:38.079 --> 00:07:40.439 would have fought back. But that was an encounter and 160 00:07:40.439 --> 00:07:40.759 a half. 161 00:07:40.800 --> 00:07:42.920 That was Yeah, that was interesting little face with this 162 00:07:43.040 --> 00:07:46.199 little yeah, so freaking adorable. My gosh, I kind of 163 00:07:46.199 --> 00:07:46.879 wanted to keep it. 164 00:07:47.560 --> 00:07:50.759 No, No, could you imagine having that in a tiny home? 165 00:07:51.560 --> 00:07:54.000 Oh I don't think it would last in here. No 166 00:07:54.160 --> 00:07:57.360 one of our key year rip would kill it, or. 167 00:07:57.319 --> 00:08:00.720 Me or you just being annoyed. Unless you imagine just 168 00:08:00.759 --> 00:08:02.240 going to bed at nights a little thing pops its 169 00:08:02.240 --> 00:08:07.079 head out of the blankets. Gone, well, that's ourady counter. 170 00:08:07.160 --> 00:08:08.279 We just want to share that story with you guys, 171 00:08:08.279 --> 00:08:09.199 because I thought it was funny. 172 00:08:09.279 --> 00:08:10.600 Yeah, it was really really cute. 173 00:08:11.199 --> 00:08:13.560 Should we get to the podcast? We digress a little 174 00:08:13.560 --> 00:08:16.439 bit here, I think, so let's let's go all right, 175 00:08:16.560 --> 00:08:20.800 so as off. Apparently you are going to be pissed off. 176 00:08:21.279 --> 00:08:24.720 As we mentioned though, we're going to Florida. We talked 177 00:08:24.759 --> 00:08:28.160 about different stuff with Florida before. It's a state known 178 00:08:28.199 --> 00:08:30.839 around the world for many different things and many different reasons. 179 00:08:31.120 --> 00:08:35.919 As we have mentioned interesting headlines Florida Man for example, 180 00:08:36.039 --> 00:08:39.200 right yep. Now, Florida also just so happens to be 181 00:08:39.200 --> 00:08:41.480 home of this very strange case known as the liquid 182 00:08:41.559 --> 00:08:45.440 Matthew murders. Okay, okay, any idea why it would be 183 00:08:45.440 --> 00:08:47.000 called the liquid Matthew Murder. 184 00:08:48.399 --> 00:08:53.000 I've already been kind of wondering. I don't know if 185 00:08:53.000 --> 00:08:54.799 I'm going to go there, because like what happens if 186 00:08:54.840 --> 00:08:56.159 I say something really fucked up? 187 00:08:56.279 --> 00:08:58.080 Fair enough? I just realized I forgot that. 188 00:08:58.159 --> 00:09:02.080 Oh yeah, may look at all those SIPs he could 189 00:09:02.080 --> 00:09:02.679 have already had. 190 00:09:04.080 --> 00:09:07.159 I just got to catch up. I guess liquid what Sorry, 191 00:09:07.200 --> 00:09:12.279 Matthew Liquid Matthew Murder. Okay, So this story takes us 192 00:09:12.279 --> 00:09:17.279 back forty years into nineteen eighty three. Florida residents across 193 00:09:17.279 --> 00:09:19.480 the state were beginning to wake up as the sun rose, 194 00:09:19.480 --> 00:09:24.639 and they found themselves with a mystery almost directly lifted 195 00:09:24.679 --> 00:09:28.600 from the pages of a Sherlock Holmes book, placed upon them. 196 00:09:29.080 --> 00:09:33.200 Everyone you know, started their day the sun rising, getting 197 00:09:33.200 --> 00:09:37.039 ready for work. But early in that morning, two joggers 198 00:09:37.440 --> 00:09:40.200 out of highly in Miami were out for their morning jog, 199 00:09:40.840 --> 00:09:44.159 probably living a much healthier lifestyle than I ever will. 200 00:09:44.279 --> 00:09:47.399 It's always the joggers or the dog walkers, man, I know, right, 201 00:09:47.679 --> 00:09:49.960 being out those early risers, this just makes me out 202 00:09:49.960 --> 00:09:50.960 want to be an early riser. 203 00:09:51.120 --> 00:09:54.279 Yeah. So they were doing their thing. It was out 204 00:09:54.279 --> 00:09:57.399 on December sixth of nineteen eighty three. Now while their 205 00:09:57.440 --> 00:09:59.879 feet hit the pavement, which eat with each step, they 206 00:10:00.039 --> 00:10:03.639 eventually led them to find a man laying face down 207 00:10:04.159 --> 00:10:07.799 in an almost empty parking lot. Now, once in a while, 208 00:10:07.840 --> 00:10:10.320 people have such a fun evening at the next morning, 209 00:10:10.320 --> 00:10:13.000 they wake up in fairly peculiar places. 210 00:10:13.000 --> 00:10:14.919 To be fair, right, I can't see that's ever happened 211 00:10:14.919 --> 00:10:15.080 to me. 212 00:10:15.080 --> 00:10:17.480 I've never woken up in a parking lot. Well, given 213 00:10:17.519 --> 00:10:21.399 this is Florida, with such extravagant titles with the Florida 214 00:10:21.480 --> 00:10:23.840 Man sort of thing, right, a parking lot doesn't seem 215 00:10:23.879 --> 00:10:25.960 like it's too far fetched to be waking up after 216 00:10:25.960 --> 00:10:26.360 a bender. 217 00:10:26.440 --> 00:10:26.600 Right. 218 00:10:27.440 --> 00:10:30.639 However, as a two joggers approached the motionless man laying 219 00:10:30.679 --> 00:10:34.279 face down, it became increasingly clear that he wasn't just 220 00:10:34.480 --> 00:10:40.639 passed out drunk. He was most undoubtedly dead deceased. Yes, 221 00:10:41.879 --> 00:10:45.080 the two joggers called the discovery of the body into 222 00:10:45.120 --> 00:10:49.559 the police and found themselves the center of a murder investigation. Dang. 223 00:10:50.759 --> 00:10:53.960 When investigators arrived on the scene, it would be Sergeant 224 00:10:54.039 --> 00:10:57.559 David Miller who would be piecing together what would become 225 00:10:57.600 --> 00:11:02.080 one of the most confusing and yet striking simple investigations 226 00:11:02.120 --> 00:11:07.000 in Florida's history. At the scene, barriers were immediately set 227 00:11:07.080 --> 00:11:11.120 up to help contain and prevent crime scene contamination. Then 228 00:11:11.320 --> 00:11:16.879 the investigation officially began. They searched for blood, footprints, clues, 229 00:11:17.200 --> 00:11:19.480 all shapes and sizes, whether it was a murder weapon, 230 00:11:19.559 --> 00:11:22.480 or anything that could lead them the right path. They 231 00:11:22.480 --> 00:11:25.240 took crime scene photos and interviewed the two joggers who 232 00:11:25.279 --> 00:11:28.600 found the man. It was immediately clear that the man 233 00:11:28.639 --> 00:11:31.919 had been strangled to death oh jeez, and an estimated 234 00:11:32.000 --> 00:11:35.480 time death was also able to be determined fairly quickly. 235 00:11:36.120 --> 00:11:39.279 It was likely that he passed away and was killed 236 00:11:39.480 --> 00:11:43.720 the evening before and laid there on the cold ground 237 00:11:43.720 --> 00:11:45.519 to be discovered in the light of the new day 238 00:11:46.000 --> 00:11:49.679 all night, hey yeap. Now, being that as death most 239 00:11:49.759 --> 00:11:52.440 likely took place in the dark, investigators were not really 240 00:11:52.440 --> 00:11:56.440 able to find anyone who was seeing any suspicious activity. Right, 241 00:11:56.759 --> 00:11:59.399 it's dark. You can't see shit. Yep. There's not many 242 00:11:59.399 --> 00:12:03.799 people around because they're all at home now sleeping, And 243 00:12:03.840 --> 00:12:09.440 despite their searching, there wasn't much immediate apparent evidence as 244 00:12:09.480 --> 00:12:13.399 far as things went either. Thankfully, though, due to the 245 00:12:13.480 --> 00:12:17.440 victim's belongings, they did learn his name. His name was 246 00:12:17.519 --> 00:12:19.080 I'm gonna butcher this. I'm sorry, but I'm gonna t 247 00:12:19.240 --> 00:12:26.720 hi my best here. Francisco Patino Griterrez a sailor from Colombia. Now, 248 00:12:27.840 --> 00:12:31.399 Francisco was on a cargo ship he had been working, 249 00:12:31.399 --> 00:12:37.440 and they recently docked in Panama, and Francisco had found 250 00:12:37.519 --> 00:12:39.840 himself at the wrong end of a pair of hands. 251 00:12:40.039 --> 00:12:43.159 Clearly who had strangled him and left him there in 252 00:12:43.200 --> 00:12:48.240 the parking lot. But the question is why what had happened? 253 00:12:48.720 --> 00:12:50.519 We know he was strangled, we know he came in 254 00:12:50.559 --> 00:12:53.799 from a boat, but how did he get there in between? 255 00:12:53.960 --> 00:12:56.279 And who had a motive to kill him? Exactly? 256 00:12:56.519 --> 00:12:59.080 Yeah, I was expecting his name to be like Matthew 257 00:13:00.200 --> 00:13:04.039 or something. Just wait, now, this title makes zero sense 258 00:13:04.080 --> 00:13:06.440 to me. So I'm I'm okay, I'm want to listen. 259 00:13:06.600 --> 00:13:10.440 We're getting there, Okay, don't you worry. Okay. So these 260 00:13:10.480 --> 00:13:13.039 were the sort of questions that Sergeant David Miller and 261 00:13:13.080 --> 00:13:16.879 his team of investigators were trying to find out now. 262 00:13:16.960 --> 00:13:20.679 Unfortunately for them, though, the investigation would come to a 263 00:13:21.039 --> 00:13:25.679 screeching halt when a bright flash of light across the sky, 264 00:13:25.799 --> 00:13:30.200 followed by a deep rumble of thunder echoing above, and 265 00:13:30.240 --> 00:13:34.399 then all hell broke loose came upon them like a thunderstorm. Yeap, 266 00:13:34.759 --> 00:13:40.360 oh shit, massive rains beyond suddenly pouring down and practically 267 00:13:40.399 --> 00:13:44.480 flooded the crime scene, making it nearly impossible to physically 268 00:13:44.480 --> 00:13:47.600 work on the scene any longer, and the investigators were 269 00:13:47.639 --> 00:13:49.440 forced to go home for the rest. 270 00:13:49.200 --> 00:13:51.840 Of the year. Oh, I've never really thought of something 271 00:13:51.879 --> 00:13:52.759 like that happening. 272 00:13:52.960 --> 00:13:56.080 Yeah, it could wash a whole shit ton away. Yeah. 273 00:13:56.159 --> 00:13:58.559 I do remember watching CSI back in the day and 274 00:13:58.600 --> 00:14:01.519 that happened in an episode. Actually, yeah, that rings the 275 00:14:01.559 --> 00:14:03.879 bell too. Yeah, And I think that's why you'll see 276 00:14:03.919 --> 00:14:07.159 a lot of modern day crime scene investigation photos. They 277 00:14:07.159 --> 00:14:10.159 often have tents set up in areas where at all possible. 278 00:14:10.200 --> 00:14:12.519 But even still, it's not foolproof, right. 279 00:14:12.519 --> 00:14:15.000 Yeah, even if there was like a torrential downpour, it 280 00:14:15.000 --> 00:14:16.320 would still be wrecking stuff. 281 00:14:16.519 --> 00:14:19.360 Yeah. Well, imagine a crime happens in the middle of 282 00:14:19.360 --> 00:14:22.519 a rain storm or it's just normally raining. It's going 283 00:14:22.559 --> 00:14:25.279 to wash away blood immediately. That blood's not staying there 284 00:14:25.279 --> 00:14:26.679 on the sidewalk, it's getting washed away. 285 00:14:26.799 --> 00:14:30.720 You'd have nothing left. Yeah, wow, I mean that would 286 00:14:30.720 --> 00:14:33.039 be some lock really on the killers side. 287 00:14:32.879 --> 00:14:37.799 No kidding, So investigators return the next morning. There was 288 00:14:37.919 --> 00:14:40.919 little hope of finding any evidence that it survived the 289 00:14:40.960 --> 00:14:44.600 sudden storm, but they were hopeful. They went out there, 290 00:14:44.720 --> 00:14:48.240 they crossed their fingers and they began searching. Now they 291 00:14:48.240 --> 00:14:51.600 were going through the wet crime scene to see what 292 00:14:51.759 --> 00:14:56.480 may have survived, hoping that something, anything, weathered the storm. 293 00:14:57.519 --> 00:15:00.240 And it didn't actually take them too long to find something. 294 00:15:00.399 --> 00:15:02.080 Oh the strangest of places. 295 00:15:02.200 --> 00:15:03.320 Okay, what did they find? 296 00:15:04.200 --> 00:15:06.799 Well, it was only meters away and I mean meters 297 00:15:06.840 --> 00:15:11.320 away from where Francisco's body had been discovered where they 298 00:15:11.320 --> 00:15:14.840 found the clue. This wasn't just any clue though. It 299 00:15:14.879 --> 00:15:18.039 wasn't something that someone would unintentionally leave behind, not a 300 00:15:18.080 --> 00:15:22.120 cigarette butt or a footprint or a hair. This was 301 00:15:22.519 --> 00:15:26.600 intentionally left and it sparked Sergeant David Miller on a 302 00:15:26.639 --> 00:15:28.720 search for clues and what would quickly turn into the 303 00:15:28.759 --> 00:15:32.720 crime scene like in WHICHPT. Florida would never have seen before. 304 00:15:33.440 --> 00:15:37.159 This is what he found. He found on taped to 305 00:15:37.240 --> 00:15:41.279 the back of a no dumping sign was a note. 306 00:15:41.679 --> 00:15:46.919 Oh my gosh, something that shouldn't have survived a rainstorm either. However, 307 00:15:47.919 --> 00:15:51.000 whoever had left the note had sealed it in a 308 00:15:51.039 --> 00:15:54.519 plastic bag, almost like they had seen the storm coming, 309 00:15:54.720 --> 00:15:56.039 like the third for it beforehand. 310 00:15:56.200 --> 00:15:58.759 They looked at the weather network before almost like that. 311 00:15:58.879 --> 00:16:02.679 Yeah, he looks up. They find this note tagged to 312 00:16:02.679 --> 00:16:06.000 the back of a sign weather Proof ready to go, 313 00:16:06.120 --> 00:16:07.039 waiting for him. 314 00:16:07.080 --> 00:16:11.519 Such bullshit though, like murderers and like killing someone, it's 315 00:16:11.559 --> 00:16:14.200 not a game, like people when they leave shit like 316 00:16:14.240 --> 00:16:16.519 that intentionally, like they're just making it a game, which 317 00:16:16.600 --> 00:16:19.919 is kind of just makes you feel a little gross. 318 00:16:20.240 --> 00:16:23.279 Yeah, I do want you to remember that, specifically what 319 00:16:23.320 --> 00:16:24.360 you just said, okay. 320 00:16:24.519 --> 00:16:26.320 Oh, like because it's going to be a grosser. 321 00:16:26.639 --> 00:16:30.080 I just want you to remember that. Awesome okay. Now. 322 00:16:30.120 --> 00:16:33.240 The note was only slightly damp and certainly in good 323 00:16:33.320 --> 00:16:35.720 enough condition for the investigators to open up and read 324 00:16:35.759 --> 00:16:38.279 the typed up message left on the crime scene photo 325 00:16:38.480 --> 00:16:43.240 Urst crime scene note. Sorry, so what's it say? What 326 00:16:43.360 --> 00:16:46.200 do we got here? Well to read what is said? 327 00:16:46.799 --> 00:16:49.480 I want to bring in Jacko. Whoa. 328 00:16:50.000 --> 00:16:53.759 Once you're back on the track, you'll travel in night. 329 00:16:54.679 --> 00:17:00.399 So prepare your old self for a terrible fright now. Oh, 330 00:17:00.720 --> 00:17:05.440 the motive is clear and the victim is too. You've 331 00:17:05.480 --> 00:17:09.759 got all the answers just follow the. 332 00:17:09.640 --> 00:17:15.839 Clues, so it's like a real life scavender hunt pretty much. 333 00:17:16.400 --> 00:17:16.839 Yikes. 334 00:17:16.960 --> 00:17:21.119 Usually scavender hunts are like fun. This is like not fun. 335 00:17:21.559 --> 00:17:23.839 Well, yeah, jaws were Jeff definitely dropped when they were 336 00:17:23.880 --> 00:17:26.720 reading this note. They're just like what the fuck? Yeah? 337 00:17:26.759 --> 00:17:29.599 And whoever left it literally seemed to be taunting investigators 338 00:17:29.640 --> 00:17:32.720 with this like cryptic riddle. And now serial killers do, 339 00:17:32.960 --> 00:17:35.599 like who do leave these clues? They do taunt or 340 00:17:35.680 --> 00:17:39.200 tease authorities. That's kind of their what they're getting after, 341 00:17:39.519 --> 00:17:41.359 Like it is a game, like it is a scavenger 342 00:17:41.440 --> 00:17:44.400 hunt that lights them up. Yeah. The guys that do this, 343 00:17:44.440 --> 00:17:47.519 they believe they are smarter than authorities, and so it's 344 00:17:47.559 --> 00:17:50.400 their way of showing like you can't catch me. Mm hmm. 345 00:17:51.759 --> 00:17:55.720 But was this a taunting message left behind by Francisco's 346 00:17:55.799 --> 00:17:59.279 murderer or was it maybe just a hoax left behind 347 00:17:59.359 --> 00:18:02.319 by someone during the rainstorm who caught wind of the 348 00:18:02.359 --> 00:18:06.920 investigation and wanted to leave a fun riddle at the 349 00:18:06.960 --> 00:18:10.000 investigator's expense. No, that's kind of the question they were 350 00:18:10.119 --> 00:18:13.559 I think it was the murderer, You think so for sure? Well, 351 00:18:13.599 --> 00:18:18.200 the investigators weren't one hundred percent. They weren't sure, but 352 00:18:18.359 --> 00:18:21.160 they certainly were in a hurry to find out. M hmmm. 353 00:18:21.400 --> 00:18:23.440 They didn't have much physical evidence from the night before, 354 00:18:23.519 --> 00:18:25.720 but they did have something that would help them figure 355 00:18:25.720 --> 00:18:29.359 out if this note was real, if it was posted 356 00:18:29.440 --> 00:18:32.960 during the rainstorm in their absence or not. They had 357 00:18:33.000 --> 00:18:36.359 crime scene photos, so they went back in the photos. 358 00:18:36.400 --> 00:18:39.160 They took shit and looked at the photos. 359 00:18:39.200 --> 00:18:42.400 That wasn't there. This person was probably just sitting there 360 00:18:42.480 --> 00:18:43.400 fucking car watching. 361 00:18:43.680 --> 00:18:46.519 I hate that the note was there. Oh okay, the 362 00:18:46.559 --> 00:18:48.640 note was there in their crime shift here. I'm already 363 00:18:48.640 --> 00:18:50.680 just like overreacting. Ben said, I'm going to be mad. 364 00:18:50.759 --> 00:18:55.319 Is this apart where I'm meant? The note was legitimately 365 00:18:55.400 --> 00:18:59.119 there at the time of the murder. Okay, So investigators 366 00:19:00.240 --> 00:19:02.759 to find some answers. They needed to piece it together. 367 00:19:03.519 --> 00:19:08.200 So thinking back, once you're back on track, you'll travel 368 00:19:08.279 --> 00:19:14.559 in night. What could it mean? Now back on the boat, Well, 369 00:19:14.599 --> 00:19:18.000 I'm not so sure. I don't. I can't get inside 370 00:19:18.079 --> 00:19:22.559 Sergeant David Miller's head here, but in about an hour 371 00:19:22.680 --> 00:19:25.319 or so he did figure it out. An impressive feet 372 00:19:25.480 --> 00:19:28.480 for a note that's as cryptic as it is, potentially 373 00:19:28.559 --> 00:19:30.799 left behind by a killer who clearly imagined themselves with 374 00:19:30.799 --> 00:19:34.400 a fucking real life from Riddler from Batman. Yeah, but 375 00:19:34.599 --> 00:19:36.559 he had a feeling that if he followed this clues, 376 00:19:36.640 --> 00:19:39.960 he would find another piece of the puzzle, and his 377 00:19:40.039 --> 00:19:42.359 gut proved be right when he found a second note 378 00:19:42.400 --> 00:19:44.279 only a few minutes down the road from where the 379 00:19:44.279 --> 00:19:45.799 first note had been found. 380 00:19:46.240 --> 00:19:48.599 Okay, so I assumed it would be kind of further away, 381 00:19:48.640 --> 00:19:49.839 but okay, Well. 382 00:19:49.680 --> 00:19:52.599 He came across a speed limit sign and found another 383 00:19:52.599 --> 00:19:56.599 plastic bag taped to the back of it. Oh and 384 00:19:57.240 --> 00:19:59.640 I mean you can guess what was inside that plastic bag, 385 00:19:59.680 --> 00:20:03.240 of course the note, right, Yeah, now back on track. 386 00:20:03.359 --> 00:20:06.519 I'm assuming must have meant on the road. So I'm 387 00:20:06.519 --> 00:20:09.640 thinking someone traveling a certain direction, a certain flow of 388 00:20:09.720 --> 00:20:13.079 maybe a highway or something, right, okay, And that sign 389 00:20:13.160 --> 00:20:17.440 would certainly be visible in the reflective night from vehicles 390 00:20:17.480 --> 00:20:19.920 passing by in headlights. So that's kind of where I'm 391 00:20:19.960 --> 00:20:23.119 thinking he got this from. But I'm not certain how 392 00:20:23.160 --> 00:20:25.319 he deciphered to go this direction and find it on 393 00:20:25.359 --> 00:20:27.960 the sign he figured it out. I don't know what 394 00:20:28.000 --> 00:20:29.799 was going on in his head, but that's what happened. 395 00:20:29.839 --> 00:20:31.680 Well, It's lucky that they had someone that's good at 396 00:20:31.759 --> 00:20:32.880 riddles on this case. 397 00:20:33.160 --> 00:20:35.000 Right within an hour he had a figure. 398 00:20:34.759 --> 00:20:35.799 Out, like that's really good. 399 00:20:35.880 --> 00:20:39.359 That is really good. So he's he's doing awesome. Yeah, 400 00:20:39.400 --> 00:20:42.480 shout out to him now. The message this time only 401 00:20:42.559 --> 00:20:45.720