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<v Speaker 1>Are you shocked at the fact that you're donating a

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<v Speaker 1>substantial amount of money to facilitate Trump selection? Is that

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<v Speaker 1>something you would have believed in the realm of possibility,

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<v Speaker 1>say five years ago.

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<v Speaker 2>So what's been reported in the media is simply not true. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not donating forty five.

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<v Speaker 3>Million dollars amount to Trump.

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<v Speaker 2>And now what I have done is I've I have

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<v Speaker 2>created a pack or super pack.

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<v Speaker 3>What do you want to call it? Yeah, which I

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<v Speaker 3>simply call it the America Pack.

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<v Speaker 1>And you want to tell everybody who's listening what a

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<v Speaker 1>pack is.

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<v Speaker 2>Because people, it's a political action committee. Yeah, it's an organization.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a legal endy that can receive funding. That funding

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<v Speaker 2>can then be used to help with political campaigns.

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<v Speaker 1>Yep. And how does that differ from a direct donation?

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<v Speaker 1>There are specific limits on direct donations to candidates, and

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<v Speaker 1>the pack system is the way of putting a political

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<v Speaker 1>structure in place that sort of runs parallel with the

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<v Speaker 1>political with the formal political system.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you can donate money directly to candidates, that amount

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<v Speaker 2>is fairly small. Yeah, then and you can cate a

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<v Speaker 2>lot more money to political action committee or super pac.

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<v Speaker 3>There are various.

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<v Speaker 2>Rules that govern the operation of packs and super facts.

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<v Speaker 2>But that's it certainly allows for a lot more money

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<v Speaker 2>in the system.

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<v Speaker 3>Than would otherwise be possible.

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<v Speaker 2>And these are used clear on the Democrat and Republican side, Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>and I actually think that.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's an open playing field on the pack side.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>What are you hoping to accomplish with this? And what's

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<v Speaker 1>the pack called?

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<v Speaker 3>It's called the America Back America Pack. Remember, it's very

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<v Speaker 3>easy to remember.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's actually it's not meant to be sort of

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<v Speaker 2>a hyperpotesan pact. It's actually the core principles of this

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<v Speaker 2>America pac are. The intent is to promote the principles

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<v Speaker 2>that made America great in the post place. So I

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<v Speaker 2>wouldn't say that I'm, for example, maga of make America

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<v Speaker 2>great again.

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<v Speaker 3>I think America is great. I'm more a make America greater.

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<v Speaker 2>And there's some core pillars, core values that have I think.

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<v Speaker 3>Made America great.

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<v Speaker 1>Could you elucidate y?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So one of them is being a meritocracy as much

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<v Speaker 2>of yes, as much of a meritocracy as possible, such

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<v Speaker 2>that you get ahead as a function of your hard

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<v Speaker 2>work and your skill and nothing else, which is why

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<v Speaker 2>I have your posted.

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<v Speaker 3>For example, things like Dei.

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<v Speaker 1>Adrian Wooldridge documented the fact that the alternative to meritocracy

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<v Speaker 1>historically is nepotism and dynasty.

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<v Speaker 3>Absolutely, it's not equity, it's not equity.

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<v Speaker 1>It's nepotism and dynasty exactly. So that's very much worth knowing.

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<v Speaker 1>Meritocracy has its price because it's a severe judge. But

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<v Speaker 1>the alternative is nepotism and aristocracy or dynasty.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, So meritocracy clearly America.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not like America has been purely a meritocracy, but

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<v Speaker 2>it has been more of a meritocracy than any other place.

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<v Speaker 1>Which is good. That's good.

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<v Speaker 3>That's good, which I regard as good.

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<v Speaker 2>Promoting meritocracy, promoting freedom, freedom to operate, meaning the least

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<v Speaker 2>amount of government intervention possible we want. And this is

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<v Speaker 2>I think important to fight as because the national tendency

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<v Speaker 2>over time, almost entropy, is that the hand of government

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<v Speaker 2>gets heavier every year. Ye, the laws and regulations accumulate

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<v Speaker 2>every year, and these laws and regulations are immortal.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the evil uncle of the king. A very old story,

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<v Speaker 1>very old story. The Egyptians were wrestling with that problem

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<v Speaker 1>four thousand years ago.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so you have to have some You have to

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<v Speaker 2>really to take an active role in reducing the number

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<v Speaker 2>of laws and regulations. Otherwise, as more and more those

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<v Speaker 2>getting into these oil and situations where.

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<v Speaker 1>And everyone's poor and miserable.

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<v Speaker 2>Where action A is illegal and action B is legal,

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<v Speaker 2>and there isn't anything you can do that is legal.

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<v Speaker 2>Take an example of to give an exact example of

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<v Speaker 2>some larfare that was leveled against SpaceX. For example, we

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<v Speaker 2>were told for many years that we could not hire

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<v Speaker 2>anyone who was.

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<v Speaker 3>Not a permanent right they had to.

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<v Speaker 2>So SpaceX develops advanced rocket technology, which is considered an

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<v Speaker 2>advanced weapons technology because a core part of incontinental.

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<v Speaker 3>Ballistic missiles yep.

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<v Speaker 2>So there are only a handful of things in the

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<v Speaker 2>sort of highest level of weapon technology, and rocket technology

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<v Speaker 2>So I was sold to know in certain terms by

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<v Speaker 2>the government that if we hired anyone who is not

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<v Speaker 2>a permanent resident of the United States, you have either

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<v Speaker 2>because the presumption if somebody is not a permanent resident

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<v Speaker 2>the rocket technology for SpaceX to potentially to countries that

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<v Speaker 3>It's pretty solid reasoning, I think.

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<v Speaker 2>And then a few years ago the Biden administration decided

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<v Speaker 2>to sue SpaceX for failing to hire asylum seekers.

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<v Speaker 1>Right right, Yeah, I remember that. I remember that.

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<v Speaker 2>We're told on the one side that if we hire

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<v Speaker 2>anyone who's not a permanent residence, we go to prison.

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<v Speaker 2>Now we're told if we don't hire asylum seekers who

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<v Speaker 2>not asylum not people who have been granted asylum seekers

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<v Speaker 2>they asked fires to asilum, they're therefore not opponent resident.

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<v Speaker 2>But if you don't hire it, then we also go

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<v Speaker 2>to present.

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<v Speaker 1>The purpose of being damned if you do and damned

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<v Speaker 1>if you don't is to make damn sure that you're damned.

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<v Speaker 3>Correct.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's the kind of away that seemed to be

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<v Speaker 2>insane and unfair. And why did divide administration because they

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<v Speaker 2>can only process they can only do so many big

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<v Speaker 2>cases per year.

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<v Speaker 3>There's a finite number they can. Yeah, why would the.

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<v Speaker 2>Justice Department of all the injustices that occur picked this

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<v Speaker 2>as one of their biggest cases.

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<v Speaker 1>Why why do you think I think.

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<v Speaker 2>They probably had a I don't know, there was some

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's a relationship to you.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know all the things. But this is before

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<v Speaker 2>supporting Trump or anything like that. Yeah, in fact, i'd

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<v Speaker 2>supported Biden and before that Hillary, before that Obama.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's why I was asking if this comes as

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if it could just be random.

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<v Speaker 3>It could be I didn't.

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<v Speaker 2>Tell us what why pick us? Why do such a

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<v Speaker 2>crazy lawsuit?

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<v Speaker 1>Random's are bad. If it is random, that's still bad.

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<v Speaker 1>That's just a marker of incompetence. But if it's not random,

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<v Speaker 1>it seems too highly unlikely to be.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, And also why I attack SpaceX and not say

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<v Speaker 2>Boeing Lackey.

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<v Speaker 3>I think part of it might be that sex.

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<v Speaker 2>Is not unionized, and the Democratic Party in the US

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<v Speaker 2>is fundamentally controlled by the unions, so that I'm speculating here.

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<v Speaker 2>But since we're not unionized, we're I think, a very

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<v Speaker 2>happy workforce. And I'm out there on the out there

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<v Speaker 2>on the factory floor, I don't see a few people

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<v Speaker 2>are happy.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a good vibe.

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<v Speaker 1>They're engaged in something ridiculously exciting. It's at minimum, that's

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<v Speaker 1>not nothing. People can go a long ways if they're

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<v Speaker 1>part of a project that's aiming at Mars. Let's say

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<v Speaker 1>that's definitely aiming up. That's really exciting. That's a real

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<v Speaker 1>opportunity for people. What do you think of Trump?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not gonna I don't subscribe to culture personality, So

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<v Speaker 2>for me, it's really just got a choice of administrations

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<v Speaker 2>and we have to pick one. And I think both

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<v Speaker 2>that there are flaws on both sides.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you think his flaws are. He's a complicated person,

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<v Speaker 1>and I've been trying to sess him out and figure

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<v Speaker 1>him out because some of the things that look like

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<v Speaker 1>flaws might be advantages in disguise. He seems to me

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<v Speaker 1>to be pretty good at standing up to psychopathic bullies,

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<v Speaker 1>for example. Sure, and that's a useful skill, and it's

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<v Speaker 1>not easy. You have to be a bit of a

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<v Speaker 1>monster to manage that. And it isn't obvious to me

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<v Speaker 1>how many of the even the divisive idiosyncrasies of Trump

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<v Speaker 1>are the mirror image of his capacity to stand up

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<v Speaker 1>to bullies. That's a tough call, man. So you've obviously

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<v Speaker 1>decided to lay your what lay your efforts down on

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<v Speaker 1>the side of the Trump administration in the forthcoming election.

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<v Speaker 2>And so yeah, it's really I think we need a

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<v Speaker 2>change of administration. I think many years ago, I think

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<v Speaker 2>probably the Democratic Party was the party of meritocracy and

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<v Speaker 2>of personal freedom. They used to be the free speech party. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and these days that they seem to be the censorship

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<v Speaker 2>party under the guys who hates speech. So weirdly, in

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<v Speaker 2>my view of the Republican Party is actually the party

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<v Speaker 2>of that's the meritocracy party. Because the Democrats also promoting dei,

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<v Speaker 2>which is really just another form of racism and sexism.

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<v Speaker 1>It's the most pernicious form I think.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's anti memocratic, fundamentally anti marriage.

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<v Speaker 1>It insists on dividing people by groups right as a

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<v Speaker 1>primary what would you say, conceptual distinction between individuals.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, race, ethnicity. I think Democratic Party is stoking division.

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<v Speaker 1>I think the evidence for that's clear. All of this

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<v Speaker 1>group identity nonsense has made things much more I can

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<v Speaker 1>see it in Toronto. When my kids grew up in

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<v Speaker 1>ethnicity and gender blind. Yeah, they had an unbelievably diverse

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<v Speaker 1>Toronto that started to shift around with this emphasis on

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<v Speaker 1>group division. It's a really ugly thing to see. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>not good, not good.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So my view and is that at this point in

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<v Speaker 2>the United States, the Republican Party is more in line

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<v Speaker 2>with a meritocracy and with personal freedom.

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<v Speaker 1>So I've never had a conservative many times with my

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<v Speaker 1>left wing friends that say they'd refuse to talk to

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<v Speaker 1>someone me included definitely, because I've invited prominent Democrats to

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<v Speaker 1>long time, and I've got like absolutely nowhere with that.

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<v Speaker 1>They'll talk to me in private, they will not talk

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<v Speaker 1>to me in public, and so that's never happened.

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<v Speaker 3>They're afraid of being shunned.

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely one percent. That's what they're afraid of. Sure, definitely,

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<v Speaker 1>and they've told me that it's not a secret. But

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<v Speaker 1>that's never happened. On the Republican side, I found it

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<v Speaker 1>much easier because I've talked to a lot of Democrats

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<v Speaker 1>much easier to talk to the Republicans. And that is

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<v Speaker 1>somewhat of a shock. I wouldn't have necessarily expected that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And I should be clear that it's not like

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<v Speaker 2>I think the Republican Party is flawless. It certainly isn't

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<v Speaker 1>Trump was pretty good at not having wars. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely, And if you want a leader who's going to

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<v Speaker 2>and they will be, they will be. I'll think twice

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<v Speaker 2>It's it's impossible, but I think they will be intimidated

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<v Speaker 2>by a guy who was first pumping after getting shot.

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<v Speaker 1>We saw that, I think in his administration because it

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<v Speaker 1>bit of empirical evidence. Can I ask you a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit about one of the things that you've been relatively

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<v Speaker 1>I'm particularly unhappy with what my colleagues in the psychological

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<v Speaker 1>think they are a pack of contemptible cowards. Yes, and

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<v Speaker 3>I agree.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, Why do you agree? What's your or in the

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<v Speaker 1>psychological malpractice I've ever seen anywhere, including what I've done,

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<v Speaker 1>what I've studied. In reference to historical atrocity, eugenics, what

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<v Speaker 1>do you call those prefrontal lobotomy even the sorts of

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<v Speaker 1>hide it. Yes, okay, So what's your Why are you

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<v Speaker 1>engaged in this particular battle? You said you're going to

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<v Speaker 1>because of the last legislative move that Gavin Newsom pode

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<v Speaker 2>So, yes, Reclaire was there were many things leading up

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<v Speaker 2>to that point. Yes, And I feel it's not that

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<v Speaker 2>it's the one stroll, it's just the final stroll.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Okay, cumulative issue.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's not dramatic grandstanding. It's no.

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<v Speaker 2>And moreover, I have had conversations with GAMNUSM before where

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<v Speaker 2>sign legislation like this, in my view, puts children in danger,

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<v Speaker 2>I will move my companies out of California.

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<v Speaker 3>He knew that ahead of time.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, you've talked to them directly about this. What the

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<v Speaker 1>hell is he doing? I cannot understand. I really cannot

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<v Speaker 3>Democrats pandering's the far left.

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<v Speaker 1>Why did the Democrat moderates constantly pander to the far left.

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<v Speaker 1>I worked with the Democrats in California for five years

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<v Speaker 1>trying to get them to separate themselves from the far left.

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<v Speaker 1>They wouldn't admit that they existed even and they certainly

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<v Speaker 1>Antifa even existed. Sure, there's this unbelievable blind spot with

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<v Speaker 1>regards to the far left. Radicals and the modern Democrats

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<v Speaker 1>are I think they're useful idiots fundamentally so.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Going back to the so called gender affirming care, which

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<v Speaker 2>is a terrible euphemism.

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<v Speaker 1>That's for sure, it's it's.

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<v Speaker 2>Really a child's sterilization is what it should be.

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<v Speaker 1>No, there's mutilation too, Yeah, we want to make sure

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<v Speaker 3>It's child mutilation.

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<v Speaker 1>It's sterilization under the guise of gender affirming care and compact,

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<v Speaker 3>Can't it's evil.

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<v Speaker 1>Literally, can't imagine anything worse than that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, it's evil. I mean you're taking kids who are

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<v Speaker 2>obviously often far below the age of consent.

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<v Speaker 1>Fused, miserable.

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<v Speaker 2>The reality is that almost every child goes through some

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<v Speaker 2>kind of identity crisis part of puberty exactly, it's just

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<v Speaker 3>That will solve all their problems, and that will solve

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<v Speaker 2>And then they give them sterilizing drugs which are called

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<v Speaker 2>also a misnomer, pure puberty blocker. These are sterilization drugs,

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<v Speaker 2>so they can never have children again. Yep, they can

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<v Speaker 1>Their forearms stripped to build non functioning penises.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's macab And we have an age of consent

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<v Speaker 2>for a reason. That the reason you can't get say tattoos,

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<v Speaker 2>blow age eight, or drink or drive. There are ages

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<v Speaker 2>I wish you could do things because if we allow

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<v Speaker 2>children to take permanent actions when they're ten, twelve, fourteen

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, I've interviewed a couple of people who's done exactly

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<v Speaker 1>Do you think.

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<v Speaker 3>It happened to one of my older boys?

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<v Speaker 2>Where I was, I was essentially tricked into signing documents

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<v Speaker 2>for one of my elder boys, Zayre. This is before

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<v Speaker 2>I had really any understanding what was going on and

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<v Speaker 2>that we had COVID gone on, and there was a

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<v Speaker 1>That was a lie right from the outset. No reliable

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<v Speaker 1>clinician ever believed that. There was never any evidence for that.

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<v Speaker 1>And also if there's a higher suicide rate, the reason

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<v Speaker 1>is because of the underlying depression and anxiety and not

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<v Speaker 1>because of the gender dysphoria. And every goddamn clinician knows

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<v Speaker 1>that too, and they're too cowardly to come out and

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<v Speaker 1>say it, and so that, and then we end up

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<v Speaker 1>It just made the hair on the back of my

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<v Speaker 1>next stand ups. I see. So you're telling parents that

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<v Speaker 1>unless they agree to this radical transformation that their children

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<v Speaker 1>are going to die. And you think that's moral, and

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<v Speaker 1>you think that's true. That is so pathological that it's

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<v Speaker 1>almost incomprehensible. I can't imagine anything worse. I can't imagine

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<v Speaker 1>the therapist doing anything worse than that, or sitting by

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<v Speaker 1>idly and remaining silent. Well, his colleagues are doing it.

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<v Speaker 2>It's incredibly evil, And I agree with you that people

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<v Speaker 1>It won't stop till that happens. Yeah, it'll just go underground.

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<v Speaker 1>There's all puberty blockers are being accessed online by kids

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<v Speaker 1>all the time through non medical channels. Yeah, it's not

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<v Speaker 1>going to stop. Okay, So I see.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's so I was into doing this, and it

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't explained to me that puberty blockers are actually just

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<v Speaker 2>sterilization drugs anyway, and I lost my son essentially. They

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<v Speaker 2>they call it dead naming for a reason. Yeah, all right,

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<v Speaker 2>And so the reason it's called dead naming is because

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<v Speaker 2>your son is dead. So my son is Zavier is dead,

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<v Speaker 2>killed by the work mind virus.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry to hear that. Yeah, I can't imagine what

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<v Speaker 1>that would be like.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And there's lots of people in that situation now,

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<v Speaker 1>it's not pretty, and lots of demolished kids. Yes, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's good. That's a good reason to be the final.

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<v Speaker 2>Straw, right, So let's I about to destroy the work

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<v Speaker 2>mind virus after that, and we're making some progress.

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<v Speaker 3>Join the club, yeah,