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is my distinct pleasure to be joined by Johnny Bell,
director of Sports Operations heads Odds maker at DraftKings, A
man bringing his ten thousand hours okay, nearly forty years
in the game, Johnny, what's up man?
Speaker 1: How are we doing today?
Speaker 5: I'm doing fantastic. Great to be back there in New
Orleans again. A couple Marty grass when I was.
Speaker 4: Young, Yeah, well, okay, wait, wait, hold on now, hold
on now. How old were you when you came down
here for what year? Where was it when you came
down your first Marty.
Speaker 5: Graus seventeen sixty nine?
Speaker 1: Oh my god, the Marty Gras prime.
Speaker 5: Meta guy met a guy named Charlie at Tujas worked
a fifty dollars window at their fair grounds. He said,
come on over, your guys tomorrow, give us some winners.
Speaker 1: Man. Was he good? Oh good? Okay?
Speaker 4: So you're from capip kIPS are getting there for kiss?
Oh my god, New York. And we're kind of talking
out there because I want to know. I want to
know your your your story, because now you've risen to
the top of this there's legally like revolutionary here the
last couple of years. But how did you get started
in gambling growing up? How did this all come about?
Speaker 1: Boy?
Speaker 5: You have to go way back. Five years old. Used
to go to Saratoga. My mom and dad used to
also go down to Yonkers and mont Solo to harness tracks.
So it was the ponies, ponies, five years old, five
years old, then fifteen years old, betting with the bookie.
So and I go way back. So then I went
out to Las Vegas. I could deal all the casino games,
all of them. I learned how to deal in New
York City. I went out there to do that, and
after about five years of doing that, I saw they
had this thing called the Race and Sports Book.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: I said, yeah, that's that's more in my lane right there.
So I actually got into it there, started at the
very bottom as a ticket writer, and kind of worked
up towards you know, a supervisor odds maker, and learned
the whole corporate world. And here we are forty five
years later.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that is that's insane on multiple fronts. Okay, but
let's let's let's go back to five years old then,
because uh, you know, general polite society tends to say
that you want to protect your kid, you.
Speaker 1: Know, like bringing your kid to the racetrack? Are you kid? Like?
What what are you? So? How are you? Like? What
was that experience? Like?
Speaker 4: How did your parents approach that growing up and be like, hey, Johnny,
you want to come?
Speaker 1: Like how how does that come about? Well?
Speaker 5: My mom and dad were just horse players, degenerate horse players,
and so they had no choice but to take me
with them or leave me with someone. And there was
no one to leave me with probably at the time.
Speaker 4: So that's okay, come on to the track, did Johnny? Oh,
that's incredible manage. So you see that you get the bug,
Like you said, So, what has it been like then,
because I don't think, you know, I think everybody pretty
much is this way, like before legalization and kind of
the wide treading all my gambling and phone apps it means,
but huge in Louisiana. I mean, yeah, you had to
have a bookie, right, you're kind of doing things a
lot underground. So what's it been like for you being
a part of this community for so long and then
watching it just explode onto the scene these last few years?
Speaker 5: You know, we're going in a retail environment in Las Vegas.
My last job. You know, I ran the Wind for
thirteen years and I was actually going to retire, and
the DraftKings guys came after me, you know, they recruited
me and after about four meetings they convinced me to
come on board. And I knew that this space was
opening up past but was overturned. And do I really
want to retire or do I want to stay in
this because this is gonna explode. Yeah, and I'm gonna
be sorry you're not if you're not part of it,
because you know, retirement, I was thinking maybe I'll do
some outside consulting. I wasn't gonna get out totally.
Speaker 1: That's not me.
Speaker 5: I mean, I'm yeah, you gotta be doing something. I
gotta be doing something. And I've been doing this so long,
every day, so many hours. So I said, okay, take
a shot at it. And it's just worked out great.
And I've seen us go from one state, New Jersey
to twenty nine now digitally and you know a couple
more in the retail end, and it's just getting bigger.
Speaker 1: Well, and it's crazy, man.
Speaker 4: I mean I was joking, but like I've done commercials
for y'all. I think on like probably three or four
of my different shows.
Speaker 1: Right, we've done.
Speaker 4: Multiple runs here, I've had multiple podcasts that you've been
sponsored by DraftKings.
Speaker 1: But but but Head's odds maker.
Speaker 4: I think to me, when you think about Vegas creating
odds I call y'all almost like the oracles of DELFI right,
like the.
Speaker 1: Oracles out west. There's some weird magic taking place. What
is what's the process?
Speaker 4: Okay, how do you sit down decide? Okay, because are
you are you trying to incentivize and like are you
trying to incentivize action?
Speaker 1: Is it just a completely objective?
Speaker 4: Well, we think this is like the difference between the teams,
Like what is that process?
Speaker 5: Like remember one thing about a nods maker? Uh, the
objective is not to pick winners. The objective is to
put up a number to try to get balanced action.
Speaker 4: Okay, so it is to it. Okay, incentivization is the
core objective there.
Speaker 5: We can't pay I mean, you know, we're we're like
everybody else. You know, you can call us a professional handicapper,
but that's not what odds makers should be doing. We
got we have the juice working for us on everything
we put up, whether it's a straight bed, a future,
a prop the Jews is working for you. So put
up a number, the right number that you believe is
the right number, and let people bet it, uh, and
hopefully you'll get you and we never balance out. We
never get balanced action. But that's okay, yeah, because think
of it this way. If you're seven hundred thousand high
on one side, that means that if you lose the game,
you're gonna pay probably seven hundred and six fifty, but
you're gonna win eight fifty or nine if it wins.
So let the juice work for you over time. Now,
the process going back for me is you know I
used to do everything manually and you know, power ratings,
all of that looset.
Speaker 1: Wait wait what do you mean by manually? Uh?
Speaker 5: Just computer maybe spreadsheet, that's it.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 5: So I'd make my own power ratings based on offensive production,
defensive production, all the intangibles, coaching, anything you know that
I you so.
Speaker 1: You were you were trying to quantify life.
Speaker 6: Yeah, like like weather, like trades, Like you're trying to
put it into numbers and can we create something that
will spit out like Okay, like here, here, this is
the math, and here it.
Speaker 1: Is that's right.
Speaker 5: And so then after I came up with my number,
there were a couple of guys I used to use
as consultants, and I'd say, what's your number on the game?
Because we used to put up the in Las Vegas,
wherever I worked, we put up the first numbers on everything,
And so I would call the couple of consultants, I've
had what's your number seven on that game?
Speaker 1: Okay?
Speaker 5: What are you in that game? I'm three? I might
have been four. Yeah, So the wait always came to
me because it's my store and my you know, I
think I've always relied on my numbers, so I may
go four and a half.
Speaker 1: Okay, five, That's.
Speaker 5: How I did it. Now at DraftKings, we have a
team of seventy five to one hundred traders. We use algorithms.
Speaker 4: I imagine where the technology is at. It's a whole
terms of quantifying life. Yeah, quantifying and then like coming
up with ways to create that.
Speaker 1: So okay, so then you got to give me a
read on the Super Bowl? Bro? What do we? I mean,
what do we? What are we? How do we arrive?
At Chiefs? It is still might one to have.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And then also I was kind of surprised to
think about or to hear this today. Is this the
first time the Chiefs have been favored in the Super Bowl?
Have they even dogs every other? Every other Bowl they've
been in?
Speaker 5: They were they may have been a favorite against Philly
in that first year game. But it might have flipped.
Speaker 4: Was I think I think by game time it had
flipped to it flipped in Philly.
Speaker 1: But so what you what you read on Sunday?
Speaker 5: So I can't remember a time and it may have happened,
but I just can't remember it. Where we've put up
the opening line on Sunday morning, Uh, Sunday evening after
the FC NFC Championship game one and a half and
users uh, there's a flurry of action, which there was,
wise guys, everybody no movement that night, and no movement
up to this point. So we opened the game one
and a half and have no movement now for eleven days,
twelve days, which is crazy. And I don't remember that happening.
Speaker 4: Does that mean that you I mean remember that mean
that you hit the perfect number, You got the balance
that that you're.
Speaker 5: Looking for, And we really do because the one and
a half we have kind of equal action, but more
so to laying the one and a half on the
Chiefs on the Eagles are taking the money line. We
open at minus one thirty, we're down to minus one twenty,
and there's a rationale for the better is doing that.
They're the thinking is, why would I take the one
and a half when I can take a nickel?
Speaker 1: I do that all the Yeah, I do that all
the time.
Speaker 4: I don't know if it falls one all the time?
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: And then total, the total has movement. The totally open
up forty nine and a half. We're down to forty
eight and a half, but that is the money is
certainly inching up on the over, so I believe we'll
probably move to forty nine at some point, maybe even
forty nine and a half by game time.
Speaker 1: How do y'all handle all of the insane?
Speaker 4: Like, because okay, when I think about traditional gambling, obviously,
like you said, spreads to run everything. But then the
prop bet market seems to have just exploded. But I
don't know, like I don't know traditionally with bookies back
then exactly how it would have been.
Speaker 1: In more of the old school days, like how how
much that was evolved?
Speaker 4: How do y'all, how do y'all set lines and all
of these on all these different prop bets, even down
to you know, the weird like, you know, how long
is it nationally had them.
Speaker 1: All that sort of stuff.
Speaker 5: Let's go back to like eighty five or so when
we started doing some props.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 5: And then I don't know if you remember this, but
refrigerator Perry wash.
Speaker 1: He just started right about it.
Speaker 4: I was I don't remember at the time, but yes,
I know the story of of of of fridge.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he just started in the league. He wasn't very good.
Dicka used to use him sometimes, you know, in goal
line situations to because he's a big man, get into it.
You know, he would be like the tush push today.
But it's a one man show. And we said, okay, well,
let's put up a prop on that. You know, well,
he scored.
Speaker 4: Teaching the Fridge was the first kind of like big time.
Speaker 5: Big novelgy Oh no novel, dude.
Speaker 4: I never knew that if we lost excellent recal to
the to the Perry story.
Speaker 5: Yeah, we lost a ton of money on that, but
that was okay because the media got whole of that
and it loved it. And ever since then we've just
added more and more and more props. Now for DraftKings.
I want to tell you that on any Sunday when
there's sixteen you know games, or you know, fourteen and
one on Monday, one on Thursday, whatever, we put up
this whole super Bowl menu pretty much ninety percent of
the Super Bowl menu every single Sunday, on every single game.
So for us now, we of course we had a
lot of other stuff, you know, for the super Bowl,
different props and all this novelty type stuff game novelgy.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: See, the novelty stuff is where it gets crazy to me.
I mean, like, yoll aren, are you really caring about
winning and losing on that stuff or is that just
kind of like the fun side acts and whatever.
Speaker 5: Yeah, we take Nichols or dimes on it. It's not
a big deal.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, your age, you know. Yeah, because it's got
the max, it's got like the limits and everything.
Speaker 4: Audio Okay, yeah that makes sense. Yeah, Johnny, let me
ask you about this. And I know I've kept you long.
I'm about to let you get out of here. But
in my years of doing this job, there is just
that almost spooky trend of fading the public, you know,
where a thing just seems too good to be true,
it's too obvious. Do you believe in your your ten
thousand hours, do you think that, like, is that a
real thing?
Speaker 5: It's a real thing. Does it work all the time.
I can tell you that there's a guy I know
that does it for some big money, right, and he
BET's pretty good and he does it pretty much not
on every game, but a lot of games, and he's
very successful doing it.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 5: So you know, but he does have times when things don't.
Speaker 1: Go yeah, yeah, sure, sure, but a lot of.
Speaker 5: Times he wins, So I'd say overall he's probably up
doing that. Yeah, but think about it.
Speaker 1: It's why you know.
Speaker 4: I know it's tough, it's tough, but it's just like
I always get the he b gv's when I feel like, Okay,
this is the play.
Speaker 1: And then you look and you're like, oh, well everybody
thinks this is a play. I don't know now, dude,
So what about this?
Speaker 4: What's the what's the sharp versus kind of public breakdown
on the on the on the game on.
Speaker 5: Sunday sharps there I haven't seen, uh, maybe under on
the game. I haven't seen sharps.
Speaker 1: Really, there's no heavy leader's never there's no heavy leaner.
Speaker 5: Not from them. You know, that's one thing you have
to realize about sophisticated players. They don't always bet the limit,
you know, if the limits them, if a limits fifty
thousand on a game, or a million dollars are gonna
have in a super Bowl, they might bet five. They
don't always, you know, they have.
Speaker 4: No They're gonna pick and choose their spots or they
feel like, okay, this is.
Speaker 1: So they're a little unsure about this. You're saying that's correct.
Speaker 5: Okay, yeah, so they have one star all the way
up to five star. Plays they're five star. They may
really unload on that. So and sometimes they have no play.
And maybe this is a game that there was no
play for them, because I can't tell you that I've
actually seen them, you know, jumping in full steam here.
Speaker 4: Johnny, this has been so much fun, man. I really
can't beg you enough. Director of Sports Operations, the Draft
Maak Draft Kings, the head's odds maker at DraftKings, Johnny Avella, Johnny, thank.
Speaker 1: You, brother.
Speaker 5: Pleasure.
Speaker 1: It's a real pleasure. Meeting you.
Speaker 4: We'll be back with more off the bench coming up
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Speaker 1: Hello, uh, guys, not when I got Ed McCaffrey on. Please? Please?
What's going on? Do you remember your which you were? Wait?
Hello on? Yeah? Oh okay, why don't you tell me that?
What's going on? Y'all?
Speaker 4: Welcome back to OTV. Sorry, guys, they got a little distracted.
I'm talking to the legend Ed McCaffrey now, I mean
you gotta understand, guys. I I talked to him at
the beginning the show day. We're talking about Superowl memories.
I got obsessed with the ninety seven ninety eight Broncos
teams back in the day, top to bottom at a
huge part of those teams. So the did Broncos fifth
Anniversary teams. He goes to airing it out on Serious
XM and he's got some brand new protea bites we're
gonna get into.
Speaker 1: But Ed, what's up? Man? T? It's great to be
thank you for coming on, thank you for having me
on the show. I appreciate it.
Speaker 4: No, this is so cool. So wait, so I got
to be honest. So I'm doing like a you know,
a little whatever you wikipedia, You're like, okay, look at
the resume and everything. I my concerence was born eighty nine.
Always you were Bronco in my mind. You remember of
the ninety four Niners. Yes, super Bowl team? Yes, okay,
so I just learned so about that team this week.
So that would have been right after the creation of
free agency, right like it's right after everybody went to
court and my well Man held out. I think Reggie
White was a key member of that as well. And
then in one off season what the night Unders added
like Richard Dent, Ricky Jackson maybe, uh uh oh?
Speaker 1: Who else? Charles Mann? Charles Mann was Deon Sanders.
Speaker 4: Yes, so how did you How did you end up
on on that team after being with the Giants.
Speaker 7: Well, there was a break in the way the salary
structures were formed over those couple of years.
Speaker 1: There was a little bit of a window.
Speaker 7: So I really wanted to capitalize on making the most
money possible, so I signed for the league minimum one
hundred and thirty six thousand dollars to play for the
San Francisco forty nine Ers. And the reason I did
it which because I got cut by the New York
Football Giants and and I decided I want to play
for a team that could win a Super Bowl.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 7: And so I had a handful of teams that were interested,
and I said, I don't care. I called my agent,
I said, get me a try out with the forty
nine ers. I went to Stanford's was familiar with the
forty niners in the Bay Area, and I want to
try to make this team. And if I make this team,
they were one of the handful of teams that has
a shot at winning a Super Bowl. And as fate
would have it, I was there seven months. Made you know,
made the team first. It wasn't easy to make the team,
made the team, was there seven months and was part
of my first Super Bowl championship football team and played
with legends. We're talking Steve Young, We're talking Jerry Rice,
We're talking Dion Sanders. We had the Offensive Player of
the Year, the defensive Player of the Year, the MVP,
fourteen Pro Bowlers, and it was a walk away win
in the Super Bowl, and I actually got.
Speaker 1: In largest margin ever in the Super Bowl.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I got in got to catch. It was like
it was so fun. Oh so that's interesting too.
Speaker 4: You were still like grinding at the time, like like
you were a special teamer, like course special teamer, grinding
making it. And then and then in the Super Bowl
you you come.
Speaker 1: Up with a grab.
Speaker 4: You're like, oh my god, yeah, my first catch in
a Super my first catch.
Speaker 7: You know, I had a weird I had a weird
career in that my first year. You know, I was
a rookie on the on the Giants, and uh I
got like offensive Rookie of the Year because and I
only had like I don't know, eleven, eleven or sixteen catches.
Speaker 1: I don't remember what it was.
Speaker 7: But back then, they just won Super Bowl, the Super
Bowl in nineteen ninety and they had the oldest team
in the league and they had just won a Super Bowl,
and they didn't.
Speaker 1: Throw the ball a lot.
Speaker 7: Matter of fact, the leading wide receiver on our team
had twenty six catches.
Speaker 1: On the season.
Speaker 7: On the season, so eleven is like pretty good. Or
it might have been sixteen. I don't even remember. But
that's good compared to twenty six. So and then my
second year I led the team in receiving. So in
my mind, right, you're a second year player, Yeah, you
lead the team in receiving, you start writing down all
your goals, like, okay, let's take it up a notch.
But you know, I had three head coaches in three years.
Bill Parcells was the head coach that drafted me. He
stepped away, Ray Hanley came in, and then he got
fired and they brought in Dan Reeves. Dan Reeves didn't
want me on the team, cut me, so then I
went to play. So then at that point, you know,
I just had my son, Max, who's coaching with the
Dolphins now, just had him, and so at least and
I just moved into a new apartment. So we move
into a new apartment. I have a two month old son.
I'm writing all my goals. You know, how many catches
you know, YadA, YadA YadA, thinking this is going to
be my year?
Speaker 1: Is it?
Speaker 7: And then cut and I'm like, oh that hurts, Oh
that hurts. So Lisa, I love you, gave her a
kiss on kiss goodbye, and said deal with this new apartment.
We just moved into and I love you, Max, and
I'll see you when you're who knows how old. I
got to go try out, try out for a team,
and but I really bet at that point, like after
being cut, it was a traumatic experience.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I mean, what do I want out of
this career?
Speaker 4: You had to be like that's an unbelievable amount of pressure.
Like you're talking about you got a young family, you
got a new place, and all of a sudden, you've
been just fight good. You won awards and you let
the team and you get cast out into the wild.
Speaker 7: Tap. So you know, so much of how your career
goes does depend on because football is a short lived career. Yeah,
even if you play twenty years, it's twenty years. The
averagere is less than three, right, And so I was
I was going into my fourth and I really made
a conscious decision. You know, I want to go play
with Jerry Rice. I want to play with a team
that has a chance to win a Super Bowl. And
so I knew that going in there it would be
a backup role. John Taylor and Jerry Rice were the
two starters, and they had won multiple Super Bowls and
so it was a conscious decision. But regarding how my
career went, you know, you go from joining a Super
Bowl team, leading the team and receiving to getting cut.
Some players go in and right away they're the guy, yeah,
and have a bunch of catches.
Speaker 1: It took me man.
Speaker 7: Then after San Francisco, you know, Mike Shanahan was our
offensive coordinator. He noticed something in me because in practice,
because I wasn't get in the games. Yeah, he noticed
something in me and offered me a contract in Denver,
and within a couple of years I earned the starting
role there and I kind of hit stride, Like, let's
talk to year six or seven. So luckily I was
good enough to play six or seven years before I
got the opportunity to be a full time starter, and
we won a couple of Super Bowls. We were the
best team in the league. Before we won Super Bowls,
we were fourteen and two and got upset.
Speaker 1: By Jack Jaguires. Dude, we can't forget about that right when.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I at the beginning, it was that Mark Brunell,
who's the running back on it was it nature and
means am I making that up? I don't know, but
yes I remember that because I'll never get a story
that I read at the Times. Again, I kind of
got obsessed with aose teams where I think, like Bill
Romanowski put a like a like or it might be apocryphal,
but he had like a picture of Jacksonville or something
or the score in his like weight room. Yeah, and
he's like, throw a doorjet of good and all angry
all off season. And then did you all end up
beating Jacksonville the next year?
Speaker 1: We demolished them? Yes, okay, right, it went through the
wild card. I thing.
Speaker 7: Yeah, we smashed them, But you don't understand like we
were and no one will talk about it. And Denver's
a smaller market and we didn't have social media, and
no one made a big deal about it, and we
were fourteen point underdogs the next year. I'm like, you
quickly forget the Green Bay game. We were the best
team in the league that year until we weren't until
we had one bad game.
Speaker 1: Yep, lose.
Speaker 7: We had a bye and then we lost at home
in the divisional round to Jacksonville, who was on a tear.
They had just won five in a row and they
got hot right at the right time. We had one
bad game, and that's why the NFL is the greatest
entertainment in the world. You play he one bad game,
you're out of it. So we had one bat, but
we were fourteen and two. I thought we were the
best team in the league. After that game. The next day,
I was in the weight room. Gary Kubiak, who went
on to win Super Bowl year, was our quarterback coach
in OC and he leaned over to me because I
was in the weight room with Gary getting a lift
in the day after the game, and right off the bat.
Speaker 1: You know what's weird about that? Right? But you were
lifting the day after the jacksu so you get it right.
It's like nobody has to be there.
Speaker 7: They're like go home, Yeah, you too, good game at
home and Gary Gary. Gary leans over to me and says, hey, EDDI,
you know how We're gonna be great? And I'm still
in shock.
Speaker 1: I don't know how.
Speaker 7: He's like, look at the room. Three quarters of our
team was lifting weights the day after the Jacksonville loss.
That's how traumatic that was. Nobody had a ticket home,
nobody had packed their suitcases. Everyone was in shock. But
we were already working towards next year. The day after
the Jacksonville loss, so Was it lucky that we went
on to win two back to back super Bowl?
Speaker 1: No, we should have won that year we didn't.
Speaker 7: Yeah, we had the type of guys on the team
that started working the next day towards winning a Super Bowl.
Speaker 1: Well, and what's.
Speaker 4: Interesting, ed me, is like, so y'all bookended with fourteen
and two seasons?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 4: Was it twelve and four in the middle? Didn't y'all
go through the wild card the first Super Bowl year?
And I remember y'are viewed as like pretty big underdog
in the Packers. Were they raining super Bowl champs maybe
at the time, And then and and and y'all ended
up y'all had to kind of almost felt like surprise
people year one, and then you want to gain assumed that,
oh we are clearly the best.
Speaker 1: In that Super Bowl two.
Speaker 7: Yeah, and again I thought we were the best the
year before Super Bowl thirty one. Matter of fact, that
was played here, right, So yeah, Lisa and I came
down here. We bought a piece of art at one
of the art galleries, and we hung out for the week.
We did not go to the game, but the Packers,
the Packers beat the Patriots in that game, So I
think that's why because they had won the year before.
By the time we were gonna play them in the
Super Bowl, they were fourteen point favorites went into the game,
and so they were by the way, they were a
great team, right, But I felt like we could have
won the year before.
Speaker 1: That would have been our three peat. It wasn't after
John retired.
Speaker 7: If we were going to three peat, we need it
that season, and then we won the next two. It
was a great game against green Bay. We got I'll
never forget we beat it Atlanta handedly in Super Bowl
thirty three.
Speaker 1: I remember that as well. My old man in with
the Falcons kind of grew up the Falcons fan, So
I was pretty devastated at that time.
Speaker 4: I uh but but I mean, god, that Green Bay
Super Bowl I remember. I was so confused. I was like, wait,
they let them score. I didn't understand the concept that like, oh,
they were trying to get the ball back with time
enough to try to get because like what home Grid said.
Speaker 1: No, let TD in the end zone? Yeah, did they
let him score? I don't know. I don't know that's
what they tried to play. It could be in the
vision is history. But here here's the thing. Even if
they did, it wasn't going to matter. Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 7: They had three touchdowns and was the MVP of the
league and the MVP of the Super Bowl. And even
if you had tried to stop it, you weren't going
to stop us anyway. There wasn't a very funny play
in that game where TD went to coach Shanahan right
at the end of the game.
Speaker 1: It's like, I can't see it. He was, no, I know.
Speaker 7: He was like, I can't see I can't see it,
and Mike, as all head coaches, it's okay, just go
back in as long as they see you in there.
They use him as a dyah. They think they think
you're getting the ball, you'll be okay. Well, but I
can't see. Oh, it's fine. Just patted him on the
back and send him back in there. But in coach
Shanahan's defense, a defender came to tackle him and he
made a miss even when he couldn't see. So I
don't Yeah, they weren't gonna stop us, no matter what
I mean.
Speaker 1: Our offensive line was killing it all.
Speaker 4: Skibbs, nobody over three hundred pounds. I was always mind
blown by that dude. Everybody under three hundred, big stink.
I remember I had Mark Slayers O Line DVD's in
high school.
Speaker 1: Teachers. Did you really Oh, yeah, you're making me feel older.
I remember when they came out, No man that on
line though, nobody over three.
Speaker 7: You know what they used to do because they had
to be three hundred, so they said, your guys got
to come in at over three hundred. They'd slip like
the little five pound play in the type so they
could weigh in there. They drink a lot of water
trying to get up to three hundred pounds. We had
a couple of guys that might have been a little
bit over three hundred, like Gary Zimmerman and Tony Jones.
But but all the guards and centers, they were just
trying to pack on weight the whole entire season.
Speaker 1: Now they're all lighter than I am. They're like two five.
Oh I was a receiver, I'm heavier than our offensive line.
Speaker 4: Well yeah, it's like I see you know Lsu great
Alan Fanica. Every time I see him, he's like running marathons.
Now dropped everything, bro, It's uh okay, okay, we got
to talk about the protein bite true great because this
has been awesome It's like a dream come true for me.
But these are McCaffrey protein bites, sustainably made, plant based
chocolate chip cookie dough taking behind the creation.
Speaker 1: Are we doing a real life taste test? Yeah? Yeah,
all the pressures on. Okay, so I love cookie dough though,
so you're already ahead of the gate. Here's the thing.
Speaker 7: I'm trying to eat healthy, right, yeah. Unlike our linemen
who go down to like one ninety five, you know,
I went up to two seventy five. Yeah, I'm down town.
I'm down to two forty five because I'm eating healthy
thirty pounds. My family's big. But anyway, I wanted to
come up with a really healthy, good sea.
Speaker 4: Oh wait, oh my god, dude, I'm not even just
blowing smoke.
Speaker 1: That is delicious, thank you, that is excellent. I'm gonna
let this breathe. Hell yeah, brock. It does not have.
Speaker 4: The normal chalky protein taste. It's got the cookie dough texture.
Speaker 1: And then it was almost a bit of a I
mean obvious because its chocolate COOKIEO. I don't know what
the sweetness is coming from. Is that just is that
just sugar? Whatever's on the outside, is that? Like Elder
bear monks.
Speaker 4: I don't know what that is, but that kind of
crystallization on the outside plays very well.
Speaker 1: Dude, this is amazing.
Speaker 7: Thank you, thank you. That makes me happy because we
just launched this week. This is the first week that
I've been handed out. I've been getting everybody's opinion, and
so far, so good.
Speaker 1: Because to your.
Speaker 7: Point, it's non gmo, gluten free. It's so hard to
find a good, a great tasting, healthy snack. Like there's
a lot of healthy snacks out there. Most of them
are dry. They taste chalky. That's what the word you're
looking for, right, They're not chalky. They taste delicious, they're sweet.
I wouldn't put my name on it unless they tasted good,
because I've tried every single healthy snack out there, and
you know, they last a week or two and then
I can't do it anymore. Yeah, right through that. But
these these taste like a dessert. They are delicious, and
they're super healthy. Uh and anybody that's gluten intolerance gonna
love them.
Speaker 1: Anybody these ticularly they're vegan even, I mean, they got
soy free out getting.
Speaker 7: To kosher and so they're super healthy but delicious. So
you know, you're gonna eat breakfast, lunch, and dinner, but
really you should eat five to six meals a day. Yeah,
you should have your breakfast, lunch, and dinner. But you
know how like it's before dinner you're starving. It's like
it's still an hour or two away, or you're doing
a show and you're like, I can't eat a cheese
steak in the middle of the Showy. It just gives
you a little pop up energy and it has protein
in it, which is so incredibly important for recovery and
for the russ.
Speaker 4: I've been getting all kind of crap from hester Man
because you know, been working on my ass of actually
ribs been working out a herd Jim a lot and.
Speaker 1: But I but I have not I don't know why.
I know better, I have not been taken in the
protein afterwards soon.
Speaker 4: Yeah it's I'm getting berated about wasting my workouts every day.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well it helps you recover, Yeah, I know.
Speaker 7: Yeah, you know your way to the workout and I
know your way to the weight room, dumb, and you
ever get sore the next day, it'll make you a
little less sore. I learned that when I was playing.
It's like In the beginning, there was just carbohydrates and
they didn't have any protein in the supplements. And I
noticed when I started taking them after the game, because
these could be taking pregame, like twenty minutes for the game,
halftime or postgame. But when I started taking proteins complements
after games, I recovered quicker.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, look, bro, that that was delicious. I
get to keep these bags right there, yours. Let's go
share them, share them with everybody. Okay, last thing here, man, Uh,
just know the salute was one of the coolest touchdown
celebrations ever. And just know that there was a chubby,
seven year old white kid playing church league basketball who
every time he made a layup would salute his teammates
in honor of the two time Super Bowl champion Denver Broncos. Dude,
I team so much. I love that, Terakeo Davis, dude, dude,
shout out TV dude.
Speaker 7: He came up with that. He They had the running
backs that were called the No Limit Soldiers, and they
play songs every time they scored, and they started the
salute and went from the running back room to the
whole team.
Speaker 1: It was, it was, it was it was a phenomenon. Man, dude,
this has been so much fun. Thank you so much.
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All Right, we're just gonna be hopping on here in
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But before that, Taya, let's get into a little NFL
story of the day day all right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So so last night the NFL Hall of Fame occurred.
Speaker 1: We we had talked about it.
Speaker 2: Right, You got Eric Allen, you had Sterling Sharp, and
that's who I want to talk about. I want to
talk about Sterling Sharp here for little bit. I think
this was an excellent decision to put him in the
Hall of Fame.
Speaker 1: I get it.
Speaker 2: He played seven years in the NFL. This guy had
eighty two hundred yards and sixty five touchdowns in a
seven year career. You hear what Shannon Sharp says about
him all the time. And as a third brother of
the Sharp family, we are all supremely talented in world
class athletes, but Sterling probably the best of the bunch.
Shannon Sharp says it all the time. I love this
for Sterling Sharp. I mean because think about it when
you heard him, When everybody who sees Sterling Sharp play,
what did they always say, Hey, this guy he's one
of the best I've ever seen play. From a three
year period from ninety two to ninety four, Sterling Sharp
four thousand yards, thirteen eleven and eighteen touchdowns back to
back to back years. He was the best receiver in
the NFL for a four to five year stretch. As
a matter of fact, in his seven year career, only
two seasons he didn't have a thousand yards, one of
them being his rookie year. I was really happy to
see this. It was probably the biggest surprise of the night,
but in a positive way.
Speaker 1: Way well, and I think try to read or it's
your points.
Speaker 4: If you heard anything Taylor just said, and you tell
that the numbers don't sound like overwhelming. Go google late eighties,
early nineties box scores. The it's it's hilarious, dude. Quarterback
play by our standards was god awful. I mean, if
you were above fifty percent, you were okay. If you
were of sixty, you were great, you were elite. A
if you were like one point five tuds to one pick,
if that was your ratio, you know, like thirty to twenty,
like you were yeah, like that that was great. Nowadays
that gets you benched and booed out of the city.
So I think a very good story. And if you
remember Sterling Sharp the last wait, what was the thing
that Orlovsky hit Schannit Charp with who won the Triple Crown? Oh,
Sterling Charp was the before Jamar Chase. Sterling Charp was
the last receiver to win the Triple Crown and not
make the playoffs. Good story of the day, day, Taylor,
good job, thank you. Wait kay, can you turn the
ribs mic on ribs? Just going on welcome back. So
we had a little Johnny a bellow and Ed.
Speaker 8: Mka that was fine. Did you just give Taylor a compliment?
Speaker 4: Uh? Yeah, I did, cause I'm in a very good
move because at McCaffrey do not miss for weeks.
Speaker 8: So funny story about that. The other day, I don't
remember which day, maybe it was like Shues Wednesday. I'm
sitting there, I'm working and suddenly this guy's like tapping
me on the shoulder this little you know, I don't
know handler guy. He comes over and he's like, Hey,
are you the Are you the booking person? And I
was like, sure, I can be. And he's like, you know,
I'm trying to book for someone. Do you'll have any availability?
You know, I don't know. He's just giving me a
bunch of different times. I'm like, okay, but who you know?
Like who who are you trying to book? He's like
it's Ed McCaffrey. He's trying to He's promoting these protein
bites And I was like whatever. Sure, I was like,
what about Friday at this time?
Speaker 1: And whenever you had no idea, you were creating one
of my life's dreams.
Speaker 8: At the time, not a clue. And then I brought
it up to you and you like you're about to cry.
You got so you were like, what, Yeah, that was
the funniest thing that I've ever seen that just happened.
Like you are truly fanboying.
Speaker 1: Yeah, fanboy dude. Again. I was obsessed with those teams.
Speaker 4: I had all their like championship highlight packages I had,
I had jerseys, I had posters, And I always wonder
how it made my dad feel that I that I
ran and got so obsessed with the Denver Broncos and
John Elway, a peer of his who was literally in
the same draft class of his. But like, I remember
those games more vividly than I always remember any.
Speaker 1: Games in my life.
Speaker 4: I mean the John Elway helicopter from the ninety seven
Super Bowl because like in ninety seven, Terrell Davis was
the MVP. I'm not only the team but the game itself.
Like Lway was okay against the Packers in the Super World,
but he had this moment where gotta have a big scramble.
He's like, damn near forty years old at the time.
He leaps in the air, he gets sawed in half
by two defenders and helicopters, and it became this like
and he was oh and four and the super Bowl
at the time and four right, so he had never
won it and he desperately needed to uh and and
and that single play was so emblematic of a man
who was not going to be denied, like I am
back here again. I'm not going to be And then
he did it. And in the next year he got
to right off in the sunset being Super Bowl MVP,
where he dominated the game. They killed the Falcons, they
were fourteen to two, and he was kind of the
engine behind the success. But yeah, man, this is very cute.
Speaker 1: Me.
Speaker 4: Why do I wear number fifty three because of Bill Romanowski?
My favorite branded Maybe problematic now, but at the time,
he was just a super badass linebacker.
Speaker 8: My favorite part of the whole thing was when you
started eating these protein bites, which I'm sure delicious.
Speaker 1: I'm sure they're.
Speaker 8: Deious to breathe that that was almost no, there's no
way that's true. You know, I couldn't tell when you
were eating the protein bites. It was like you were
tasting wine. You were like, what am I getting notes
of the.
Speaker 1: What are we doing? So? So, so there's a reason
for that.
Speaker 4: I've watched I can't remember what it was, but It
was somebody basically saying that a lot of the times
when people taste things in public, they're not giving a
real uh legitimate review, and.
Speaker 1: You can you want to give it.
Speaker 4: Well, you can tell because they bite it and they're
immediately like blah. Where if you watch anybody who is
really tasting something, you bite, you chew, you consider, uh
and and and then you speak. So I tried to
slow myself down and kind of live in the protein
bite and what.
Speaker 1: You got was elderberry. Well what I said, elderberry is
what you got is elderberry.
Speaker 8: Are you thinking date?
Speaker 1: No, but well anything like this sugar subject.
Speaker 8: Yeah, but like usually in this kind of thing, it's
gonna be date.
Speaker 1: Okay, that's what I'm saying. But I thought, I guess
it's it's like a nou these.
Speaker 4: Like fake candies and there's something that's not like a
carcinogens near but it's it's like some crazy like I
was like, I don't know what it was, but I
love dates to do dates. You ever take dates, open
them up and put a little peanut butter and oh yeah,
peanut butter and chocolate chips and middle.
Speaker 1: Of the tar.
Speaker 8: Oh boy, you can like melt chocolate too and put
dates in the middle and then like freeze them. And
it's like a little almost like a fake Snickers, you know,
like Okay, it's.
Speaker 1: His added sugar. Let me know what the added sugar.
Tell me what it is. Anyways, you better not let
this say Elderberry. This is girl very We're never going.
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Speaker 1: Do something this cool. Also, I know that you know,
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Speaker 3: Cool, really.
Speaker 8: Uh yeah, really quick, just before we start asking the bench.
Speaker 1: No no, no, no, no, no, you want to.
Speaker 8: Talk about what the sweetener is in these in these.
Speaker 4: Bites, it's Don Alderberry, guys, because that was an option.
Speaker 1: It's Dates. It is Dates, Rivers who start eye was
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Speaker 4: My my, my, my throat is done for you know,
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Speaker 4: Had McCaffrey any Friday Snaps say no, no Friday Snaps
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Speaker 1: For coming out there and yesterday or after got interrupted
the other day. I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker 4: Look, I'm never organized to begin with in my life.
In the last two weeks, I'm like, not good. I
am out of my routine.
Speaker 1: Do not worry. Snaps will be back fully on schedule
next week. We're gonna be good to go and keep
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Speaker 4: Nelson Green, A man after my own heart says, are
you sure it wasn't youngster Berry's good job, Nelson, very
good job. Now, if we wanted to workshop it a
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of the word, so I maybe would have gone with
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Speaker 5: Watch start to finish.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, because you can't do anything like it
always sucks. Like sometimes when that happens, I'm like, Oh,
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