Speaker 1: It's night Side with Dan Ray WBZ Costs Radio.
Speaker 2: All right, our number two coming up here on a
Speaker 2: Friday night. It is Friday night, the twenty seventh of September.
Speaker 2: The year is moving by much too quickly. I think
Speaker 2: we can all agree upon that. But we're supposed to
Speaker 2: have a nice weather weekend, so that's a plus, that's
Speaker 2: for sure. We have to enjoy all of these fall
Speaker 2: weekends because fall weekends turn into winter weekends. And winter
Speaker 2: weekends in New England wonderful for the skiers, but for
Speaker 2: lots of us who are city bound, you got to
Speaker 2: deal with the consequences of a snowy weekend. It can
Speaker 2: be tough. You kind of spend a lot of time inside.
Speaker 2: But we are moving into a conversation which I think
Speaker 2: is an interesting conversation, and it is brought into focus
Speaker 2: for us by a visit that the President of Ukraine,
Speaker 2: Voladimir Zelensky made to the United States. He came here,
Speaker 2: come here several times, as he's continued, to the surprise
Speaker 2: of many people, fight for two and a half years
Speaker 2: with Russia, and it actually would seem to a lot
Speaker 2: of us that maybe Russia is back on their heels
Speaker 2: at this point, for those of you who haven't followed
Speaker 2: it closely, the Ukrainian troops have actually made incursions into Russia.
Speaker 2: There have also been some missiles fired by Ukraine at
Speaker 2: targets inside Russia. Russia continues to hold some territory on
Speaker 2: the east of Ukraine which Russia initially invaded. That line
Speaker 2: of demarcation moves back and forth, and for a while
Speaker 2: now it would appear that well they've sort of reached
Speaker 2: the stalemate, although although Ukrainian troops have in the last
Speaker 2: few weeks actually crossed the border into Russia. So it's
Speaker 2: not a war that we are following as closely as
Speaker 2: we did. The thing that I think we should be
Speaker 2: able to agree upon is that Ukraine has done much
Speaker 2: better than maybe many people expected. Many people expected that
Speaker 2: the Russian military would roll right into Ukraine. So yesterday
Speaker 2: Vice President Harris talked held a joint I don't say
Speaker 2: it was a joint news conferences, sort of a joint
Speaker 2: appearance with the President of Ukraine, and just to give
Speaker 2: you a sense of what the Vice President has been saying.
Speaker 2: Of course, the Biden administration has been very supportive of Ukraine.
Speaker 2: They have tried to keep a leash on Ukraine, meaning
Speaker 2: they have given them weaponry at various points. That always
Speaker 2: Ukraine has asked for more weaponry and more advanced weaponry
Speaker 2: than the Biden Harris administration has been willing to give.
Speaker 2: But at this point Ukraine has actually gone on the offensive.
Speaker 2: So this is the Vice president yesterday with President Zelenski.
Speaker 2: This Vice President cut number twenty please Rob.
Speaker 3: We also know that other would be aggressors around the
Speaker 3: world are watching to see what happens in Ukraine. If
Speaker 3: Putin is allowed to win, they will become embolden. And
Speaker 3: history reminds us, and history is so clear in reminding
Speaker 3: us the United States cannot and should not isolate ourselves
Speaker 3: from the rest of the world. Isolation is not insolation.
Speaker 2: Okay, That I think is the tone of the Biden administration.
Speaker 2: And then one other SoundBite from the Vice president. This
Speaker 2: is cut number twenty c Rob, twenty C.
Speaker 3: However, in candor to share with you, mister President, there
Speaker 3: are some in my country who would instead force Ukraine
Speaker 3: to give up large parts of its sovereign territory, who
Speaker 3: would demand that Ukraine accept neutrality and would require Ukraine
Speaker 3: to forego security relationships with other nations. These proposals are
Speaker 3: the same of those of Putin, and let us be clear,
Speaker 3: they are not proposals for peace. Instead, they are proposals
Speaker 3: for surrender, which is dangerous and unacceptable.
Speaker 2: Okay, let's hear from former President Trump. He held sort
Speaker 2: of a joint event, a meeting a Trump Tower in
Speaker 2: New York City today with President Zelensky. I don't believe
Speaker 2: that President Trump had been in Lensky's president or have
Speaker 2: been with Zelensky for above five years. The Biden administration
Speaker 2: arguably has been consistently supportive of Ukraine, again with limitations,
Speaker 2: but this is President Trump today. Obviously Vice President Harris
Speaker 2: was referring to Donald Trump because Trump is talking about well,
Speaker 2: let's hear what he has to say. Got thirty six, Rob.
Speaker 4: This is a war that should have never happened.
Speaker 2: In another meeting in the near future between.
Speaker 4: You could very well happen. But I think the President
Speaker 4: said it the best. This is a war that should
Speaker 4: have never happened. It should have never happened, and it
Speaker 4: wouldn't have happened.
Speaker 1: It's a shame.
Speaker 4: But this is a war that should have never happened,
Speaker 4: and we'll get it solved.
Speaker 5: It's a complicated puzzle, very complicated puzzle. But we'll get
Speaker 5: it solved and people get on with their lives. Too
Speaker 5: many people dead, too many beautiful cities. I've seen those
Speaker 5: cities are so beautiful, and that you know for I
Speaker 5: don't know how you can ever rebuild them the way
Speaker 5: they were.
Speaker 2: It's not possible, by the way, to us will it's it's.
Speaker 5: A beautiful country, beautiful weather, beautiful, beautiful everything.
Speaker 2: But we have to get this uplis.
Speaker 4: But it's a war, and the president away is this
Speaker 4: is a war that should have never happened. Okay, thank
Speaker 4: you very much, so much, thank.
Speaker 2: You very much. So Obviously President Trump is emphasizing that
Speaker 2: it would not have happened if he had been elected
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty. Zelensky is doing what Zelensky needs to do,
Speaker 2: and that is to meet with both of the presidential candidates.
Speaker 2: One of them will be the next president will be
Speaker 2: the forty seventh president of the United States, either Vice
Speaker 2: President Harris or former President Trump. One final quick comment
Speaker 2: from Donald Trump, because obviously he is talking about his
Speaker 2: ability to bring Zelinski and Putin to get other to
Speaker 2: end the war. That is what he's talking about. Cut
Speaker 2: thirty seven run.
Speaker 4: They also have a very good relationship, as you know,
Speaker 4: with President Putin, and I think if we win, I
Speaker 4: think we're going to get it resolved very quickly.
Speaker 2: I really think we're going to get it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but you know, it takes two to tango, you know, And.
Speaker 2: So take take what you want from that. Again, the
Speaker 2: audio not exactly clear what what Zilensky was saying, but
Speaker 2: that's the setup. That's the setup. Now a little context.
Speaker 2: Putin is very upset, very upset with the fact that
Speaker 2: Ukraine has gotten weaponry from the United States, which has
Speaker 2: allowed Ukraine to fire missiles inside the inside Russia. And
Speaker 2: this is a comment that made recently, might even be
Speaker 2: as recent as yesterday. This is through a translator, but
Speaker 2: you'll understand what he said. This is cut number twenty one.
Speaker 6: The updated version of the document proposes that aggression against
Speaker 6: Russia by any non nuclear weapons state, but with the
Speaker 6: participation or support of a nuclear weapons state, should be
Speaker 6: regarded as a joint attack on the Russian Federation. The
Speaker 6: conditions for Russia's transition to the use of nuclear weapons
Speaker 6: are also clearly defined. We will consider such a possibility
Speaker 6: as soon as we receive reliable information about a massive
Speaker 6: launch of aerospace attack means and their crossing of our
Speaker 6: state border, meaning strategic or tactical aircraft, cruise missiles, drones,
Speaker 6: hypersonic missiles, and other aircraft. We reserve the right to
Speaker 6: use nuclear weapons in the event of aggression against Russia
Speaker 6: and Belarus as a member of the Union State. All
Speaker 6: these issues have been agreed upon with the Belarusian side
Speaker 6: and with the President of Belarus. This includes cases when
Speaker 6: the enemy using conventional weapons poses a critical threat to
Speaker 6: our sovereignty.
Speaker 2: Well, that's pretty obvious. That's pretty obvious. Is he threatening?
Speaker 2: He's threatening, But will he follow through on that threat
Speaker 2: or is he just threatening? That's for you to decide,
Speaker 2: wish of the two candidates, Vice President Harris a former
Speaker 2: President Trump, would you if that is that is your
Speaker 2: most important issue? And it might not be, But on
Speaker 2: that issue, which of these candidates do you have more
Speaker 2: confidence in? The vice president or the former president six
Speaker 2: seven two five four ten. We're going to do a
Speaker 2: lot of this in the next few weeks. I guarantee
Speaker 2: you we'll try to break down issues and make you think.
Speaker 2: And by the way, I will also tell you that
Speaker 2: later on tonight at eleven o'clock we will conduct our
Speaker 2: it's actually our seventh end of the month poll. We
Speaker 2: started in March, April, May, June, July, August, and now September.
Speaker 2: We will ask you in the twentieth hour of the
Speaker 2: week to just tell us who would you be voting
Speaker 2: for if the election were held today. The principles have changed.
Speaker 2: We started off with President Biden, former President Trump, and
Speaker 2: Robert F. Kennedy Junior. That has all changed. Robert F.
Speaker 2: Kennedy Junior is no longer in play and Joe Biden
Speaker 2: has withdrawn as the Democratic nominee. So it'll be an interesting,
Speaker 2: a clean one on one tonight during the eleven o'clock hour.
Speaker 2: But I want to focus on Ukraine. Which candidate do
Speaker 2: you whatever you see as the result. I mean you
Speaker 2: might look and say you want peace quickly, or you
Speaker 2: might say, hey, we want Ukraine to do what it
Speaker 2: has to do. It doesn't matter what your focus is.
Speaker 2: Which candidate do you have more confidence? It's in you
Speaker 2: have only two. You got to choose one six, one, seven, two, four,
Speaker 2: ten thirty, six, one seven, nine, three, one, ten thirty.
Speaker 2: We will talk about this until nine until ten and
Speaker 2: my intention unless you want to talk about it long
Speaker 2: and my intention is to talk about what's going on
Speaker 2: in the Middle East. Today, Prime Minister Benjamin Nett Yahoo
Speaker 2: gave a very very compelling speech. I'll try to use
Speaker 2: a word that is a neutral word. A compelling speech
Speaker 2: at the United Nations today, and shortly after that speech
Speaker 2: Israel hit what they believe is the headquarters of Hespola
Speaker 2: and underground headquarters in the southern part of Beirut, which
Speaker 2: may have killed the leader of Hespolah in the Middle
Speaker 2: East tonight is it's getting a little hotter over there
Speaker 2: tonight back on night Side after this.
Speaker 1: Now back to Dan ray Mine from the Window World.
Speaker 4: Night Side Studios WBZ News Radio.
Speaker 2: So what I'm asking you to do tonight is to look
Speaker 2: at one issue, and that is Ukraine. And you may
Speaker 2: support one of the candidates and decide that they're the
Speaker 2: best choice on every issue. Or you may have some
Speaker 2: candidates that you like on this issue, some candidates you like,
Speaker 2: a candidate you like on the other issue. It does
Speaker 2: it doesn't matter. You can be a diet in the world.
Speaker 2: Harris supporter died in the wild Trump supporter. If they
Speaker 2: if you support them, tell us why. And if you
Speaker 2: happen to disagree with your candidate on this issue or
Speaker 2: feel maybe the other candidate position is more to your liking.
Speaker 2: That'll be interesting too, just trying to figure out one
Speaker 2: of the most important issues and how people feel about it.
Speaker 2: So that's what we're doing. We'll do this for about
Speaker 2: an hour. The only line open right now is A
Speaker 2: six one seven. Going to start it off with Rashid
Speaker 2: and Torchester. Rashid, who do you think would do a
Speaker 2: better job in terms of Ukraine?
Speaker 7: Well, I think that President Trump would. One of the
Speaker 7: reasons why I'm drawn to President Trump is because I
Speaker 7: am an isolationist. I don't believe that America should get
Speaker 7: in the affairs of other nations. And I think that
Speaker 7: it's a pretty simple fix, and it's a simple fix
Speaker 7: that President Trump would be capable of. And we tell
Speaker 7: both sides. We tell Zelenski there will be no more
Speaker 7: welfare from the United States of America to continuelessly fund
Speaker 7: your endless war for Russia. And we'll tell Putin that
Speaker 7: if he does doesn't stop, will knew him? Pretty simple stuff.
Speaker 2: I don't know you want to tell you would really
Speaker 2: tell tell Putin that, what do you think President.
Speaker 8: Well Trump was telling Putin through Pompeo that hey, if
Speaker 8: you do something crazy, we're gonna drop everything we have
Speaker 8: on you. That from will turn Saint Petersburg into a
Speaker 8: pocket lot. And he was threatening Putin with with the
Speaker 8: bombers we have in Germany to completely obliterate him if
Speaker 8: he makes any weird moves into Ukraine. But also President
Speaker 8: Trump respected the Treaty of Budapest, he respected the borders,
Speaker 8: and he did not have an interest when I think
Speaker 8: when he had a press conference with Lensky, I think
Speaker 8: five years ago, he was like, you know, we would
Speaker 8: like if you would figure out your issues with President Pulin.
Speaker 8: And I think that when we look at the Democrats,
Speaker 8: especially President Fighting and President Obama, there's always been some
Speaker 8: level of regime change in Russia, whether they're throwing a coup,
Speaker 8: which they did in twenty fourteen, I believe to get
Speaker 8: rid of their democratically elected president to put in somebody
Speaker 8: that's anti Russia. Like, let the people Ukraine decide what
Speaker 8: they want to do. If they want to be neutral, wonderful.
Speaker 8: If they want to be pro America, great, If they
Speaker 8: want to be pro Russia, fine, But I have to
Speaker 8: ask you.
Speaker 2: This question, why do you think Ronald Reagan would come
Speaker 2: down on this situation? Do you think he would come
Speaker 2: down closer to Trump's position, closer to Harris is Biden's position.
Speaker 7: Well, I'm not the biggest fan of Ronald Reagan, but
Speaker 7: Ronald Reagan was a neo Khan, so I think that
Speaker 7: he would be on the side of President Biden. I mean,
Speaker 7: we've seen that ron Contra affair.
Speaker 2: An honest answer, that's that's I know that's that's an
Speaker 2: honest answer. I think you're right. I think that you've
Speaker 2: seen Russia or the Soviet Union as a as a
Speaker 2: danger to the to the free world.
Speaker 7: But you know, Dan, I think that we need to
Speaker 7: mature past this neo Khan globalist mindset and we need
Speaker 7: to look at it like this. I think that Russia,
Speaker 7: I'm not a fan of Pudin. I'm not a pro
Speaker 7: Russian person, but I think it's better for us to
Speaker 7: be friends with them than enemies, because look at what
Speaker 7: has happened with US isolating Russia. They are now becoming
Speaker 7: allied with China. So it's like we have more in
Speaker 7: common with Russia. I think the idea of NATO is ridiculous.
Speaker 7: I think that what's the point of having in alliance
Speaker 7: that we're all on Plushian energy. This is alliance to
Speaker 7: protect against Russia. They don't pay their bills and they
Speaker 7: rely on Russian energy. How about we all work together,
Speaker 7: and how about we rebuild a relationship with Russia and
Speaker 7: have a peaceful future for our children, and we could
Speaker 7: just focus solely on China and what's happening in the
Speaker 7: Middle League.
Speaker 2: I got you down clearly, as you think that the
Speaker 2: the the Trump policies are policies that that you you
Speaker 2: support in terms of Ukraine. That's fair. That's fair. I
Speaker 2: appreciate it. Good good argument, Thanks Rashid. Let's keep rolling here.
Speaker 2: Let me go to Patrick don in DC and Washington. Patrick,
Speaker 2: which of these two candidates are you more comfortable with
Speaker 2: just in terms of just Ukraine?
Speaker 9: Just just absolutely just Ukraine. And then I don't want
Speaker 9: to say anything negative against our American daughters, the vice president,
Speaker 9: but I'm going to fully agree with President Trump when
Speaker 9: he states if this war should never happened, and it
Speaker 9: would not have happened if he was in the old office.
Speaker 9: I also believe that he understands his adversary, mister Putin,
Speaker 9: is not his friend, mister Putin is his adversary, and
Speaker 9: mister Trump won't speak out both sides of his mouth.
Speaker 9: And as we look at history and understand what mister
Speaker 9: Putin is, we must understand the real politic in this.
Speaker 9: I believe miss Harris is just not fit into the
Speaker 9: puzzle of the real politic, and the real politic behind
Speaker 9: this is if you look at our mediate history and
Speaker 9: how the invasions of Ukraine began. Please excuse me, and
Speaker 9: I'm not here to offend anybody, and you cut me
Speaker 9: off as they stop right there, Patrick, But the white
Speaker 9: Russian did not listen to the black American male. He
Speaker 9: is definitely not going to listen to the black American
Speaker 9: mals under no circumstances. And good luck and anybody calling to.
Speaker 2: Okay, well, so okay, we're getting into an area. I'm
Speaker 2: not going to cut you off. But why do you
Speaker 2: think race would have anything to do with this? It
Speaker 2: would seem to me that the military that Putin would
Speaker 2: fear would be the American military, irrespective of who the
Speaker 2: president was, or is or will.
Speaker 9: Be, because he sees how they think and he's going
Speaker 9: to outthink them and will well, I'm sorry some of
Speaker 9: some of the people who have been elected in the
Speaker 9: American that we have elected.
Speaker 2: Okay, so I think what you're saying. I hope what
Speaker 2: you're saying is that that that Putin may look at
Speaker 2: the Democrats, some of the Democrats as an easier mark.
Speaker 2: Is that what you're saying.
Speaker 9: Correct, because he understands that softness in them that says.
Speaker 2: Nothing that's got nothing to do with race. I mean,
Speaker 2: if if Bernie Sanders was president or Elizabeth Warren was president,
Speaker 2: I don't think he would be looking at it from
Speaker 2: a racial point of view. I think he'd be looking
Speaker 2: at it from a well this there's another Democrat who
Speaker 2: uh who has been stung by American involvement in Vietnam
Speaker 2: and other places around the world, and I think that's
Speaker 2: probably what his mindset might be. I can't agree with
Speaker 2: you on that.
Speaker 10: I will I will, I will learn from you tonight,
Speaker 10: but I you know.
Speaker 9: I will look at my perspective of what real politics
Speaker 9: can be because those people over there have a backbone
Speaker 9: of will that we sometimes have lost.
Speaker 2: Well. Biden Biden has has has has joined Ukraine here
Speaker 2: for two and a half years. I was surprised that
Speaker 2: Ukraine was able to survive the Russian onslaught, were you not?
Speaker 9: Uh well, yes, and no. I think it should have
Speaker 9: been calculated that it should not have happened. As soon
Speaker 9: as you saw him building his stuff up on the border,
Speaker 9: he should have been cut off. I mean, if I
Speaker 9: don't disagree with that.
Speaker 2: By the way, that's the first point that you've made
Speaker 2: that I've I would agree with. I think that that
Speaker 2: once you, once uh something gets set in motion, it's
Speaker 2: tough to turn it around. It'll be tough for Putin
Speaker 2: to withdraw without being able to claim some sort of
Speaker 2: a victory. Ferrick or otherwise.
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, yeah, Yeah, it's serious.
Speaker 9: It's just it's a serious situation. Uh just I just
Speaker 9: believe that the the redhead will give him the evil
Speaker 9: eye and he'll back down.
Speaker 2: All right, we'll see, Uh I got you down, then
Speaker 2: you you for different kind of a different reason, but
Speaker 2: similar reason in many respects. You would receive him on
Speaker 2: the same page. Thanks. Thanks Patrick, I enjoyed the car.
Speaker 2: We're gonna come back. The only line we have opened
Speaker 2: right now is the one that Patrick is just vacating
Speaker 2: six ten thirty. Everything else is full. We're coming up
Speaker 2: with Gary. We'll also have Susan and Cambridge. We got
Speaker 2: Rick in Pennsylvania, Jerry Done and Raynham and we get
Speaker 2: room for you at six point seven two five. Well,
Speaker 2: just filled. We'll be back right after this.
Speaker 1: You're on Night Side with on Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2: Okay, so we're basically asking you a question through the
Speaker 2: lens of Ukraine. Which presidential candidate do you have more
Speaker 2: confidence in? Vice President Harris a former President Trump. Let
Speaker 2: me go to Gary and Northbridge. Gary, you next on Nightside.
Speaker 2: Go right ahead.
Speaker 11: Hey, Dan, you've been I've been doing just great.
Speaker 2: Gary, Thanks for checking back. What's what's your take on
Speaker 2: this topic. I we're going to do this on a
Speaker 2: lot of topics, by the way, and in the next
Speaker 2: few weeks, we're coming up on about five weeks that
Speaker 2: the election is going to be here before we know it.
Speaker 11: Sure, it's coming close. I mean, look, given the choices,
Speaker 11: I would I would go with Trump only, I think
Speaker 11: for lack of other choices maybe, but I think his
Speaker 11: policy on this. Okay, So this policy is let's stop
Speaker 11: this nonsense. And the reason I say nonsense is because
Speaker 11: we have to look at this a little bit deeper.
Speaker 11: And I have a feeling that he's onto something here.
Speaker 11: I know people like to make fun of him, and
Speaker 11: I even make fun of him sometimes, but I mean,
Speaker 11: this is so clearly. I mean, Russia is arguably the
Speaker 11: maybe first, second, or third most powerful nation in the world,
Speaker 11: and you've got the Ukraine, which has very little standing.
Speaker 11: If we were going to rank them. Now, we can
Speaker 11: give all the weapons and all this stuff, and we've
Speaker 11: give them all this great stuff, but just sheer body
Speaker 11: count army versus army, there is no way that Russia
Speaker 11: actually loses this war. So there's something going on, and
Speaker 11: well that's not what your show is about tonight, so
Speaker 11: we're not going to talk about that. But this needs
Speaker 11: to end because there's something funny going on here. There's
Speaker 11: a lot of money flowing and it seems very very
Speaker 11: odd that this massive country, you know, so strong, can't
Speaker 11: make any inroads and this has to become an endless,
Speaker 11: forever war because they really wanted the Ukraine. They just
Speaker 11: take it. Let's face it.
Speaker 2: Well, here's the I thought that back in the when
Speaker 2: the war started, and you know, in twenty twenty two,
Speaker 2: I thought to myself, Okay, this is going to be
Speaker 2: a couple of weeks and they'll just roll. But obviously
Speaker 2: Ukraine has stood the test of time. Now, I don't
Speaker 2: know if it's the strength of the spirit of the people,
Speaker 2: but I agree with you on paper, it's like watching
Speaker 2: a football game and one team is a twenty one
Speaker 2: point favorite, and you're going into the fourth quarter and
Speaker 2: it's tied seven to seven. It's like, what's wrong with
Speaker 2: this picture?
Speaker 11: It almost seems purposely mismanaged. It just just something thinks
Speaker 11: about it by putin, by I think by Putin because
Speaker 11: I'm not so sure. Well, because you've got when you
Speaker 11: look at all of arts and all, when you really
Speaker 11: look at the whole picture and the close relationship between
Speaker 11: the two countries and the populations of the two countries,
Speaker 11: it almost seems like it's not like he's like he's
Speaker 11: trying to do something that he's not really saying what
Speaker 11: he's trying to do. But there's something more here that
Speaker 11: we just aren't either privy to or or or aren't
Speaker 11: maybe enlightened enough, you know, in that group to really
Speaker 11: see that this Because if you've got billions and billions
Speaker 11: of dollars exchanging hands, arms are flowing around all over
Speaker 11: the place. I mean, it is crazy, and it's not
Speaker 11: just them shooting back, because if they really wanted it again,
Speaker 11: they could just mask their army and just march in
Speaker 11: and would share numbers, just take them out. But they
Speaker 11: don't want to do that, so they don't want to
Speaker 11: destroy the country or they just would they they want
Speaker 11: to an accident. Yeah, well you know they have, but
Speaker 11: when you come down to it, they I don't know,
Speaker 11: this is not you know, I can't think of a
Speaker 11: good analogy.
Speaker 2: Do you think? To me, it's like, do you think
Speaker 2: that that Trump has some sort of a magical formula
Speaker 2: that he has some sort of a hold on Putin
Speaker 2: where he's going to say no?
Speaker 11: So I think there's the hold. I think he gets
Speaker 11: what we don't only because of where he's been being
Speaker 11: the past president. He knows things that we simply don't know.
Speaker 11: And I think if he was the president, I think
Speaker 11: he would just simply say, guys, enough, we're not going
Speaker 11: to keep funding this and you're not going to go
Speaker 11: in and slaughter them, and when they're not joining NATO,
Speaker 11: and what's the next topic. You know, I think you
Speaker 11: might be right. What happened?
Speaker 2: You might be right.
Speaker 12: Gary.
Speaker 2: You threw something on the table. I think is interesting.
Speaker 2: Great call. Appreciate it very much. I really do.
Speaker 11: Thank you.
Speaker 2: Right now, let me go to Susan in Cambridge. You
Speaker 2: love to get Susan's take. Hi, Susan, how are you tonight?
Speaker 13: I'm good, Dan, and I'm glad you're just discussing this topic.
Speaker 13: I thought that this was one of Harris's strongest moments
Speaker 13: in the debate. You know, when she and kind of
Speaker 13: surprisingly but when she said, you know, to Trump that
Speaker 13: Putin would eat his lunch and at that point it
Speaker 13: kind of her saying that at that point in the
Speaker 13: debate when she was actually starting to eat his lunch,
Speaker 13: and then the course of the debate itself kind of
Speaker 13: really drove it home. He looked weak, He looked very weak.
Speaker 13: And so what.
Speaker 2: What do you think Harris would do? I mean, I
Speaker 2: assume you're going to tell me that Harris would be
Speaker 2: a better as a president. I think I know your
Speaker 2: Harris supported, which is fine. Tell me what she would
Speaker 2: be able to do, uh, in terms of Ukraine that
Speaker 2: that would be more effective than what Trump would would
Speaker 2: try to do.
Speaker 13: Well, First of all, I disagree with the notion that
Speaker 13: or I think it's a bit simplistic. The notion that
Speaker 13: you know, as Trump said, this wouldn't have happened, you know,
Speaker 13: on his on his watch.
Speaker 14: And.
Speaker 2: There's no doubt that.
Speaker 13: Well, because here's the thing though, is that can we
Speaker 13: agree that that Putin pretty much thinks now that he's
Speaker 13: president for life. Yeah, so he's right, So he's he's
Speaker 13: got the long game in mind. So why would he
Speaker 13: so he can sort of pick and choose like when
Speaker 13: he's going to do things. And so when he's got
Speaker 13: Trump in, who's you know, dissing, dissing NATO, destabilizing democracy
Speaker 13: in the US, Like why would he want to make
Speaker 13: Trump look bad by going into Ukraine? Then he wouldn't,
Speaker 13: So I understand why he went in now, But your question.
Speaker 2: Is because of his friendship. So you know, I use
Speaker 2: that in air quotes with Trump. He didn't want to
Speaker 2: embarrass Trump. He goes in when Biden.
Speaker 13: And Harris he's getting things. He's getting things from Trump
Speaker 13: that that are also long term sort of goals.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 13: Well, again, the stable, the dis respect and disregard for NATO,
Speaker 13: which he would love to see NATO just you know
Speaker 13: fall apart, wouldn't he And well Trump.
Speaker 2: Basically and again I want to argue with you, But
Speaker 2: I mean Trump said to NATO, hey, you know this country.
Speaker 2: It's funny back thirty years ago, Ronald Reagan was and
Speaker 2: al Hague, they were big NATO guys because they felt
Speaker 2: that we needed NATO. Where do you think Ronald Reagan
Speaker 2: would fall on this issue right now? I mean, I
Speaker 2: don't think that Ronald Reagan would be happy that Russia
Speaker 2: was in Ukraine again. Ukraine is striking back. You heard
Speaker 2: the sound bite from Putin through the translator. You would
Speaker 2: all worried that if Ukraine does something too spectacular that
Speaker 2: Putin might turn around and.
Speaker 13: Throw a tactically not really, I mean at this point,
Speaker 13: he's been threatening that on and off since the beginning,
Speaker 13: and that that has been an underlying fear of people,
Speaker 13: and it's been a reason why I think the Biden
Speaker 13: administration has kind of kept the you know, kept Ukraine
Speaker 13: a bit in check, and then they're giving him a
Speaker 13: little more relation, a little more relation. I don't think
Speaker 13: it's let me ask you this unch they were to
Speaker 13: do something really stupid. Okay, I don't think they are
Speaker 13: going to do anything really.
Speaker 2: Question, do you see sort of an evolution here that
Speaker 2: the Biden Harris administration is the one that is talking
Speaker 2: the toughest. They sort of have inherited the Republican foreign
Speaker 2: policy of the nineteen eighties, while Donald Trump is sounding
Speaker 2: much more of kind of the traditional democratic politician. When
Speaker 2: Ted Kennedy in the nineteen eighties actually had a secret trip,
Speaker 2: I think it was to meet procedion in Russia. It
Speaker 2: was the idea that Ted Kennedy was trying to establish
Speaker 2: a different relationship with Russia. Do you see that switching
Speaker 2: positions that I perceive or no. I'm just curious, yes
Speaker 2: or no. I don't argue the plan.
Speaker 13: Maybe, but I think for different motives. I think there
Speaker 13: are different motives involved. Okay, so, but in terms of
Speaker 13: actual dis manifestation, I guess you could kind of say that.
Speaker 13: But the other thing to keep in mind is that
Speaker 13: no matter what happens, unless Russia really pays a big
Speaker 13: price and their army is just kind of decimated, their
Speaker 13: economy is decimated, regardless of what happens, and could turn
Speaker 13: around and sign an agreement, you know, in two weeks now.
Speaker 13: But keep you back again, because like I said, he's
Speaker 13: president for life, like there is Okay, I wouldn't trust
Speaker 13: I wouldn't trust any agreements.
Speaker 2: So you feel I just you know, clearly you and
Speaker 2: I have talked around each other a little bit here,
Speaker 2: but but you you feel that the person who should
Speaker 2: handle this in the best interest of the US would
Speaker 2: be Vice.
Speaker 14: President Harris Yes, and in the in the UH for
Speaker 14: the Western democracy, you know, not just for the United States,
Speaker 14: but just you know, Okay.
Speaker 2: Okay, thanks, thanks susing them up my break, So I
Speaker 2: gotta let you go.
Speaker 10: Good night.
Speaker 2: We'll take a break. Coming right back on night Side.
Speaker 2: Right after these messages.
Speaker 1: Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window World
Speaker 1: Nightside Studios on WBZ News Radio.
Speaker 2: All right, back to the phones. Let's try to get
Speaker 2: everybody in here. Jerry is in random. Jerry, You're next
Speaker 2: on Nightside. Go right ahead, Jerry.
Speaker 1: Hi.
Speaker 2: Dan.
Speaker 10: I was very happy to hear Susan refor the break there,
Speaker 10: because I was really getting a little disturbed by people
Speaker 10: talking about isolationists and we need to become isolationists, you know.
Speaker 10: I spent some time this summer in New Orleans and
Speaker 10: went to the World War Two Museum. I'm curious if
Speaker 10: you've ever been to that.
Speaker 2: No, I haven't, but I've been to a museum similar
Speaker 2: to that. They had a World War Two museum in
Speaker 2: for many years, by the way, which is quite quite impressive.
Speaker 10: Yeah. Actually my brother went to that and he told
Speaker 10: me it was great. But this is the best museum
Speaker 10: in the country, and you would be surprised why it's
Speaker 10: in New Orleans. But they have an entire section devoted
Speaker 10: to the isolationist thing. Charles Limberg. A lot of people
Speaker 10: don't realize was an isolationist, and it was. And they
Speaker 10: have an entire room devoted to the people who pulled
Speaker 10: America to stay out of World War Two. And it
Speaker 10: all came up today when I saw Trump standing next
Speaker 10: to Zelenski in his maral Lago today.
Speaker 2: I believe that meeting was in New York today.
Speaker 10: Yeah, I'm sorry, that's right, Trump Tower, You're absolutely right
Speaker 10: with a frunt tower. Sorry about that, no problem. But
Speaker 10: he's standing to Zylensky and he's saying, how there's the
Speaker 10: stuff going on in Russia and Ukraine is the worst
Speaker 10: thing that's ever happened to the world. And it's that
Speaker 10: hyperbole that you know, Zelensky was obviously he needs to
Speaker 10: do something to appeal to both of the candidates, but
Speaker 10: it was so cringe worthy and I thought back to
Speaker 10: my father, who fought in World War Two in the
Speaker 10: Pacific theater, and what he would be thinking today listening
Speaker 10: to somebody trying to be president of the United States
Speaker 10: this time a second time around. Talking like that, you
Speaker 10: bring up break in.
Speaker 2: There's a good in all fearness Jr. There's there's a
Speaker 2: good tradition with the Democratic Party. You know, George McGovern
Speaker 2: in nineteen seventy two was you know, considered the peace candidate.
Speaker 2: There's there's been, you know, a tradition within the Democratic
Speaker 2: Party to to to just not to get involved as
Speaker 2: much in foreign activities. You call it isolation, but in
Speaker 2: his core, that is exactly what it was.
Speaker 10: I totally agree that kind of weird period in history. Well,
Speaker 10: it is weird in history. The Democrats is that one
Speaker 10: trying to save depocracy.
Speaker 2: The Democrats are now very much would be very comfortable
Speaker 2: with Ronald Reagan's foreign.
Speaker 10: Policy exactly weird. That was the question that I have
Speaker 10: a weird situation we're in as a country right now.
Speaker 2: Donald Trump almost sounds very similar on a lot of
Speaker 2: things to sort of the fortress America, the isolationist policy
Speaker 2: in terms from from a military perspective, not necessarily from
Speaker 2: an economic perspective. He will use arras extensively. Anyway, it's
Speaker 2: just for I find it funny. So you think obviously, Harris,
Speaker 2: So you you agree with Susan that Harris.
Speaker 10: Said, absolutely good. What I've been what I've been hearing
Speaker 10: right now is that Trump literally wants a d military.
Speaker 10: You know, when people say what's his policy and he's
Speaker 10: scared to say it. He wants a de militarized zone.
Speaker 10: This is what I've been hearing from the North Korea,
Speaker 10: South Korea, where you have a de militarized zone and
Speaker 10: Russia gets Crimea and that's his solution. And that's no
Speaker 10: solution at all.
Speaker 2: It would be like when Russia invade Jerry, don't yell
Speaker 2: at me, Jerry, Joe, you don't have to yell at me.
Speaker 2: I can hear you, Jerry Okay, can you hear me? Good?
Speaker 10: I can.
Speaker 2: Who took Crimea? When? When was Crimea taken? Not under
Speaker 2: Donald Trump? Was it.
Speaker 10: Twenty fourteen?
Speaker 2: Who was president?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 10: I understand Obama.
Speaker 2: We have the calls I got to get to. I
Speaker 2: was afraid you couldn't hear me. Jerry Okay, thanks so
Speaker 2: much for your call. Appreciate it. Let me go next
Speaker 2: to Rick in Pennsylvania. Come on, folks, you want to
Speaker 2: have a conversation, you want to yell at me? Go ahead, Bill, Rick,
Speaker 2: go ahead.
Speaker 1: Oh hello Dan, how are you tonight?
Speaker 2: Good? Rick? I was looking at Bill. He's one. He's
Speaker 2: coming up next, Go ahead, Rick, Okay.
Speaker 1: Well I want to say is that the time for
Speaker 1: diplomacy was when Putin was putting his troops and his
Speaker 1: bombs and his tanks along long the Ukrainian border. I
Speaker 1: was two and a half years ago. But see, here's
Speaker 1: the week. This is the week. This is the Biden
Speaker 1: Kamala Harris administration. They're a week on everything. They're totally weak.
Speaker 1: That could have been, they could have had talks at
Speaker 1: that time, but let that six week period of time
Speaker 1: just put the put everything together to attack Ukraine.
Speaker 2: Well, I think that was the time for diplomacy. I'm
Speaker 2: not not sure there's much diplomas opportunity for diplomacy now
Speaker 2: after millions of people have have died, you know, I.
Speaker 1: Mean, yeah, well it's a terrible thing.
Speaker 2: You shouldn't say millions, I should say you know, tens
Speaker 2: of hundreds of thousands have died.
Speaker 1: Well, that was the time that was the time to talk,
Speaker 1: that was the time to take putin in a different direction.
Speaker 11: You know.
Speaker 1: But see that's the weakness, that's the weakness of President Biden.
Speaker 1: He just doesn't stand up for international affairs and foreign policy.
Speaker 10: He just doesn't stand up for these things.
Speaker 2: Okay, So so you would you're you would feel Trump
Speaker 2: would be a better and more effective president from our
Speaker 2: interest in the World's interesting.
Speaker 1: I believe so because Trump Trump has more more experience
Speaker 1: in foreign policy. I mean, he met with the guy
Speaker 1: in North Kolokorea there, Kim jongong, He met with him.
Speaker 2: They both have about four years. He had four years
Speaker 2: as president and Harris has four years, well three and
Speaker 2: a half years or three and three quarters years.
Speaker 1: Well, well, the thing with Kamala Harris is that she's
Speaker 1: a lightweight. She's not going to be able to get
Speaker 1: anything done with fore.
Speaker 2: I mean that you might believe that that she's a lightweight,
Speaker 2: but I just think that's name calling. So you know,
Speaker 2: we don't have to u you know, you you don't
Speaker 2: have to attack people that way. I mean, she's a
Speaker 2: former United States senator, she's current former United States senator,
Speaker 2: current vice president. So I mean that's those are some
Speaker 2: pretty good credentials. Uh, Rick, I gotta grab one. I
Speaker 2: gotta I got a countryman of you was building from Pennsylvania.
Speaker 2: Thanks Rick, Let me go to building Pennsylvania. Build a
Speaker 2: get less than a minute before you go right ahead?
Speaker 12: Yeah, thanks Dan. Hey, I've been listening to you for
Speaker 12: years and never heard you yell at nobody. That was interesting.
Speaker 2: Well, thank you. It's just that when you when you
Speaker 2: when you're trying to have a conversation and the person
Speaker 2: just wants to talk over you. What else are you
Speaker 2: supposed to do? Am I supposed to say? Hey, here
Speaker 2: you go, Jeff, why don't you take the microphone and
Speaker 2: uh and run the show for the I mean is
Speaker 2: that I'm not doing?
Speaker 12: That?
Speaker 11: Was that?
Speaker 12: Was? That was called for? Hey, listen, Uh the way
Speaker 12: what I can't understand is, Okay, every time Celenski comes
Speaker 12: comes to our country, for as he walks out the
Speaker 12: door with what the other day they gave him another
Speaker 12: yesterday gave another eight billion dollars eight billion. Here, here's
Speaker 12: eight billion, here's six billion. I'll say Trump would do
Speaker 12: a better job because uh of what he's done in
Speaker 12: the past for the uh you know, he's taking he's
Speaker 12: taking out Uh, terrorists. Uh, and uh, he doesn't fool around.
Speaker 12: So I think this the problem with the Democrats these
Speaker 12: days is it's unending, unending diplomacy. You know, it's just
Speaker 12: it's just peace at any cost, and uh, it just
Speaker 12: goes on and on and on. And uh I think that, Well, ironically,
Speaker 12: there's not a.
Speaker 2: Lot of peace there. I mean there's there's there's not
Speaker 2: a lot of peace in in in Israel, in the
Speaker 2: Middle East. There's not a lot of peace. And by
Speaker 2: the way, we're going to talk about Israel, uh, next
Speaker 2: hour and specifically Benjamin you know who's speech today at
Speaker 2: the United Nations, which I thought was brilliant.
Speaker 10: Yes, I heard it.
Speaker 12: Hey, Dan Tamala is going down in the polls over
Speaker 12: here in Pennsylvania. I can tell you the women are
Speaker 12: not enthralled.
Speaker 2: Keep us posted and if you want, you can vote
Speaker 2: during a poll tonight at eleven o'clock. Everybody gets a haul.
Speaker 8: Of pasch Come back.
Speaker 12: All right, thanks, thanks.
Speaker 2: Bill, gonna run appreciate you call. We're done for now
Speaker 2: on this topic. We're gonna come back and talk about
Speaker 2: Benjamin Netanyahu and what has gone down in Israel today.
Speaker 2: It is a very dangerous set of circumstances that are
Speaker 2: colliding over there. We want to talk about it right
Speaker 2: after the ten o'clock news on Nightside