Speaker 1: I think.
Speaker 2: I think the encream scream streams and son sat.
Speaker 1: Welcome to another episode of Jay's analysis. This time, my
Speaker 1: wonderful fiance joins me.
Speaker 3: Her name is Jamie Henshaw. Jamie, how are you? I'm great,
Speaker 3: I'm doing good. I gotta find your picture? Where's your picture?
Speaker 3: Stick you?
Speaker 1: I have a little image of a furry I don't
Speaker 1: think you want to be known as the furry on?
Speaker 3: Do you want to be known as Stefan Malinu?
Speaker 1: Now you're not Stephan, You're not Where's you?
Speaker 3: You're not.
Speaker 1: The Chinese black sorcerer from Big Trouble Little China.
Speaker 3: That's not you.
Speaker 1: We've got a weird collection of pictures here, so I'm
Speaker 1: trying to find you.
Speaker 3: Where'd you go? There? You are? Okay? There is our fiance, Jamie.
Speaker 3: Everybody loves that picture of you.
Speaker 1: You always get compliments on the haughty Jamie picture.
Speaker 3: What do you think of that?
Speaker 1: It's the same one in every episode.
Speaker 4: With the hat.
Speaker 1: That's sweet because you don't ever wear hats, so it's
Speaker 1: it doesn't it's odd because you never wear hats.
Speaker 4: But you bought it for me. That was a fun day.
Speaker 3: I bought your love.
Speaker 5: I put a lot of money into your pocket, and
Speaker 5: then you liked me. It was a purely rational exchange.
Speaker 5: How many bitcoins for your love? Sounds like some kind
Speaker 5: of gay glee musical.
Speaker 4: It's beautiful, yeah, isn't it?
Speaker 3: Yes? All right, No, I did not buy Jamie.
Speaker 1: Jamie freely in the free market of ideas, chose to
Speaker 1: purchase her love from me.
Speaker 3: Right, all right.
Speaker 1: But speaking of the purchasing of love, the commodification of relation,
Speaker 1: I just made that up.
Speaker 3: Man, I'm on a roll tonight already.
Speaker 1: We are going to be talking about Hollywood inversion, and
Speaker 1: we've got some great examples. This is a familiar topic
Speaker 1: here at Jays Analysis. You know, we've been covering movies
Speaker 1: ever since the beginning of Jay's Analysis, tying in the philosophy,
Speaker 1: tying in the worldview, tying in the analysis with expert
Speaker 1: expert level analysis sizers like Jamie herself.
Speaker 3: Now, you have two books. Only tell us about your
Speaker 3: books real quick before we get going.
Speaker 6: They're oldies, but goodies, weird stuff Part one and two
Speaker 6: Operation Culture Creation and Hollywood Mind Control.
Speaker 1: Yes, and the Hollywood my control is a great one.
Speaker 1: You can find that one at Jay's Analysis. If you go,
Speaker 1: you'll see the Hollywood my control option in the bookshop there,
Speaker 1: and then you can find mine as well. So we're
Speaker 1: gonna be talking about a group of different things that
Speaker 1: we watched. I watched a couple of things, You watched
Speaker 1: a few things that I haven't seen, and we're gonna
Speaker 1: colate that information. We're gonna be talking about the Hollywood
Speaker 1: version narcissism magic mirror machine.
Speaker 3: So basically, all of.
Speaker 1: Hollywood is a magic narcissist mirror machine.
Speaker 3: And we're gonna analyze it from that perspective.
Speaker 1: Today we watched Natural Born Killers, which I hadn't seen
Speaker 1: since the nineties, back in the high school days, right,
Speaker 1: Quentin Tarantino meets Oliver Stone film, which was really interesting
Speaker 1: to watch this time around. I caught a lot of
Speaker 1: stuff that obviously I wouldn't have caught back when I
Speaker 1: was an idiot teenager.
Speaker 3: Now I'm an idiot adult, so I can catch more things.
Speaker 1: And then you watched You Got Me to watch the
Speaker 1: Cat Moms Catch the Cat Killer documentary about Luca Magnotta,
Speaker 1: which was wild and crazy, and I was watching part
Speaker 1: one watching part two.
Speaker 3: It's a three part documentary on Netflix.
Speaker 1: I'm sure a lot of you have seen it, and
Speaker 1: I'm sitting here thinking, how does this relate to Hollywood?
Speaker 3: I don't get it?
Speaker 1: And then in part three it all coalesces into how
Speaker 1: it relates to Hollywood, and then ah, yes, now I
Speaker 1: see why it relates to Hollywood because the bizarre character
Speaker 1: of Luca is a perfect representation of what's in Natural
Speaker 1: Born Killers, the perfect representation of what's in movies like
Speaker 1: American Psycho and Basic Instinct. Not that I'm recommending Basic Instinct.
Speaker 1: I've actually never seen Basic Instinct, so uh, I know
Speaker 1: what it's about now that I watch this documentary. But anyway,
Speaker 1: we're also gonna be talking about some documentaries that you
Speaker 1: watched and collated.
Speaker 3: Information on and did some research on.
Speaker 1: Who was it Katy Perry, Missus Gaga, and who's the
Speaker 1: other one?
Speaker 3: Mile Miley or Taylor Taylor? Is Miley coming up in
Speaker 3: this or not?
Speaker 4: Maybe?
Speaker 3: Maybe? Not really? All right? Can everybody hear her? Okay,
Speaker 3: let's make sure that this sounds good. Does to sound
Speaker 3: good on her? Let me make sure hear me.
Speaker 1: The chat's always a little bit behind, so if you
Speaker 1: would be sure that everybody can hear Jamie, well enough
Speaker 1: before we get rolling, everybody says it's a decent movie.
Speaker 3: Okay, I'll have to check that out.
Speaker 4: Which one based against him?
Speaker 3: Is it? Well? Anyway? All right, so it looks like
Speaker 3: everybody can hear you. Good, we're getting some thumbed up.
Speaker 3: So all right, So where do you want to start
Speaker 3: us off? What was the first thing that you researched?
Speaker 6: Start with the cat documentary and then we'll talk about
Speaker 6: Nashburn Killers and then.
Speaker 4: We'll go from here.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the Cat documentary is fresh in my mind now.
Speaker 1: When I started watching this, I didn't know what we
Speaker 1: were talking about. And then I realized, oh, I remember
Speaker 1: these news stories. What is paywalking? I don't know what
Speaker 1: people are talking about. If you have a problem, then
Speaker 1: go to some other, some other channel. Get that dude
Speaker 1: out of here anyway. Uh, stop trying to muke a
Speaker 1: loving store living, Brue.
Speaker 3: Do you know everything should be free? Brue? Everything is
Speaker 3: free anyway. So, so I didn't know this was about
Speaker 3: that dude. So that dude was.
Speaker 1: I remember the cannibal killer and they don't even mention
Speaker 1: the cannibal part in the documentary.
Speaker 3: Which is odd. Maybe that never came up in the
Speaker 3: trial or something.
Speaker 1: I don't know, but it was all in the news
Speaker 1: at the time that he was the cannibal model male
Speaker 1: model killer, so.
Speaker 3: He's like.
Speaker 1: He's he basically was trying to mimic himself after the
Speaker 1: Christian Bale character in American Psycho and the I guess
Speaker 1: the Sharon Steine character.
Speaker 3: I haven't seen basic Instincts, so I don't know who
Speaker 3: he was trying to mimic.
Speaker 4: It's so crazy because this A lot of different things
Speaker 4: stood out.
Speaker 6: To me about this documentary before they even got into
Speaker 6: the serial killer portion of it. Because the Internet loves
Speaker 6: like you and I will never be famous as one
Speaker 6: hundred cats.
Speaker 1: We were watching a movie last night and the song
Speaker 1: to that stupid movie was some millennial hipster you're going.
Speaker 3: It's like kitties.
Speaker 1: I guess it was called Starfish. I'm not sure if
Speaker 1: I recommend this movie. It wasn't that great because it
Speaker 1: was drama sci fi.
Speaker 3: But I don't know what it was about.
Speaker 1: It was about grief in the end of the world
Speaker 1: and millennial cat songs.
Speaker 6: So the what she said was the rule zero of
Speaker 6: the Internet is don't f with cats.
Speaker 1: Like yes, sorry, the documentary for everybody, Yes, if you
Speaker 1: want to know that this documentary because people I'm sure
Speaker 1: going to be wondering. Don't f with Cats is the documentary?
Speaker 1: Three part documentary. It's interesting, it will keep you hooked
Speaker 1: if you watch.
Speaker 3: It, but it is about Luca, So anyway, go ahead.
Speaker 4: So yeah, basically, it just starts off with these people
Speaker 4: investigating this YouTube video.
Speaker 6: That got uploaded with a guy putting cats into those
Speaker 6: air tight bags and stucking the air out and killing
Speaker 6: the cats two kittens, and it was called one Boy,
Speaker 6: Two Kittens or something like that, and everyone just.
Speaker 4: Freaked out, and I'm wondering, like, how is this stuff
Speaker 4: even allowed to be on YouTube?
Speaker 6: Like he at the later parts, he even went so
Speaker 6: far as to post the entire murder on YouTube.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but again, like I was telling you, this was
Speaker 1: twenty twelve, so back then it was a lot less
Speaker 1: clamping down.
Speaker 3: There was a lot of stuff that was more allowed.
Speaker 1: Back then, Okay, before a lot of regulations and laws
Speaker 1: came to pass.
Speaker 6: He uploads this video and everybody starts going crazy like
Speaker 6: we're gonna find you, We're gonna hunt him down, what
Speaker 6: we do and threatening him, right, And he really liked
Speaker 6: the movie Catch Me if you Can, so he was
Speaker 6: leaving clues as to what he was doing and kind
Speaker 6: of bragging about it because he was getting more and
Speaker 6: more famous for killing cats, and that's exactly what he
Speaker 6: set out to do, right, Like, this kid obviously wants
Speaker 6: to be in the spotlight no matter what.
Speaker 4: Right, So you're seeing.
Speaker 6: The awakenings of his psyche, which is gonna turn psycho
Speaker 6: because of the attention that he got.
Speaker 1: Right, So it's like an addiction like anything else. Is
Speaker 1: the point I think here is that the dopamine that's released.
Speaker 1: And actually, again we saw the CEOs and the engineers
Speaker 1: you know from the different social media's come.
Speaker 3: Out recently and discussed this.
Speaker 1: If you watched Aaron Melissa's videos over at True Stream
Speaker 1: their videos where they chronicled, you know, the interviews of
Speaker 1: these people talking about the scientifically precise way that you
Speaker 1: could engineer people's dopamine too, where they're addicted to the
Speaker 1: social media attention. And so these cat moms and these
Speaker 1: people had basically set up this Facebook group to try
Speaker 1: to solve who the guy was that was killing the
Speaker 1: cats and these these uploaded videos, and the guy actually
Speaker 1: joined the group and they figured out that it was him,
Speaker 1: but they let him sort of lurk around so that
Speaker 1: they could watch his soft puppet, you know, fake profile,
Speaker 1: and it just he was so addicted to the attention
Speaker 1: and to the idea that he was like, you know,
Speaker 1: playing this stupid serial killer game out smarting everybody. That
Speaker 1: led to, ultimately, as we'll see, to his downfall.
Speaker 3: So so yeah.
Speaker 6: It's crazy because when he realized he was being watched,
Speaker 6: he threw them more videos, Like he made one where
Speaker 6: he was drowning a cat, and then he made one
Speaker 6: where he.
Speaker 4: Was feeding it to a snake.
Speaker 6: So he was getting off on and like uploading these
Speaker 6: videos and having the people not figure out who he
Speaker 6: is or where they're coming from.
Speaker 4: So this just spurred him on to like go further
Speaker 4: with it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then.
Speaker 6: One guy they thought they had found a guy that
Speaker 6: did it, some guy named jam Zy or something like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they found a guy in South Africa or somewhere,
Speaker 1: and it was just a yeah because he used a
Speaker 1: fake name, and so all these supposed internet sleuths were like,
Speaker 1: we found it, and we found a guy with that name,
Speaker 1: and it was totally wrong. There was just some chunky
Speaker 1: dude with the depression who unfortunately committed suicide after an
Speaker 1: internet Internet mob attacks and was like we're.
Speaker 3: Going to get you. You going.
Speaker 6: He got bullied so bad he ended up playing himself.
Speaker 6: So there's another victim of this whole sordid tale. Was
Speaker 6: this poor guy into the very standard just having to
Speaker 6: happen to have that name.
Speaker 3: Mm hmm mm hmm.
Speaker 1: Really uh blunder move there. Like just people we see
Speaker 1: this on the internet. People think that they know what's
Speaker 1: going on. They think that they have everything figured out
Speaker 1: from you know, YouTube drama or something like that, or
Speaker 1: from internet drama or people putting and and they don't
Speaker 1: even they have no idea what's going on. It's just
Speaker 1: like it's it's that easy to make a huge mistake.
Speaker 3: And really, you know, mess people up. That's the whole point.
Speaker 1: You know why people docks people and all that kind
Speaker 1: of stuff is to cause that kind of trouble, which
Speaker 1: is a really nasty technique, nasty tactic, but it works
Speaker 1: and that's why people do it.
Speaker 3: So yeah, this was a huge mistake early on.
Speaker 1: I think shows the danger in the idea of uh guilt,
Speaker 1: guilt by verdict.
Speaker 3: Via social media. I mean, this is what we've seen
Speaker 3: for a long time and so we just live in this.
Speaker 3: The whole world is upside down. It's just this crazy
Speaker 3: inversion that we live in.
Speaker 1: By the way, we've been talking about inversion for seven
Speaker 1: six years on Jay's analysis. Other YouTubers that are now
Speaker 1: using this terminology weren't the people to pioneer this analysis.
Speaker 1: To go back to the old interviews that I did
Speaker 1: with Mark Hacker.
Speaker 3: We were talking about the inversion. So we're getting these
Speaker 3: people in here. You just you just cut up and
Speaker 3: so and so with the Tribune anology. Yeah, well, so
Speaker 3: and so.
Speaker 1: Has been using our terminal terminology for years and making
Speaker 1: the content watered down enormy.
Speaker 3: You can all figure out who I'm talking about.
Speaker 1: We'll be doing a critique of him eventually down the road,
Speaker 1: but we had bigger issues to get to, namely the
Speaker 1: stuff on critique.
Speaker 3: But anyway, go ahead.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 6: What was interesting is they never actually discovered who he
Speaker 6: was because someone emailed them and said, the guy you're
Speaker 6: looking for is Luca Mgnata. So they were searching, searching, searching,
Speaker 6: and then the Facebook group got so big and they
Speaker 6: hit all these dead ends and then finally like, I
Speaker 6: know not and as person says, it's Luca Bagnanas.
Speaker 4: So that's a weird.
Speaker 3: Clue.
Speaker 4: In the case like who who rated them out? They
Speaker 4: never followed that.
Speaker 3: But go back to not talking to you. It's people
Speaker 3: in the chat. Go back to.
Speaker 1: The interviews that I did and the articles that I
Speaker 1: did with Mark Hackard from five or six years ago.
Speaker 1: I said, we've talked about inversion for years. We talked
Speaker 1: about inversion and old interviews with Jamie because it's the
Speaker 1: inversion of what's good. Evil inverts and turns things on
Speaker 1: their head. Anybody who's followed Jason Analysis for a long
Speaker 1: time knows we've talked about this for years. And mister
Speaker 1: so and so is just grifting and using our terminology, our.
Speaker 3: Ideas or who shows who never listens to you? All right?
Speaker 1: Really is that right? How do you know that I
Speaker 1: talk about conspiracy stuff? You never listened to me. By
Speaker 1: the way, anyway, go ahead.
Speaker 6: I think that's a pretty common magical axiom, like if
Speaker 6: you want to make some eel you just very good thing.
Speaker 3: It's not that it's pretty Yeah, it is pretty well known.
Speaker 1: But in the sphere of applying it to geopolitics, Mark
Speaker 1: hacker and I were doing interviews talking about that five
Speaker 1: years ago, six years ago.
Speaker 6: M anyway, So go ahead, back to if Zoolander was
Speaker 6: a serial killer, because that's how this guy acts, right.
Speaker 3: So they find it and they find he's always doing
Speaker 3: blue steel in every pictures.
Speaker 6: Yeah yeah, And he turns out he was a esport,
Speaker 6: male escort and male model in Canada, and.
Speaker 4: He's got all of these so called fan sites.
Speaker 6: But people are thinking that he just made all of
Speaker 6: these up because there's not very many people in the
Speaker 6: group and there's so many fan sites, Like why would
Speaker 6: there be forty fan sites with ten people in them
Speaker 6: a piece for this one model, right, So obviously he had.
Speaker 3: Created fifty profiles. It was crazy uploading all of these selfies.
Speaker 3: It's like, by the.
Speaker 4: Way, selfies like not even like he was there, you know,
Speaker 4: him in front of you.
Speaker 3: He would photoshop his face onto other people's selfies. Really weird.
Speaker 6: Yes, yeah, So then they track him down, find out
Speaker 6: he's in Canada in like Toronto and Montreal in these areas,
Speaker 6: and they find one picture of him and he's standing
Speaker 6: in front of McGill University, remember that in Montreal.
Speaker 3: Right, and McGill University.
Speaker 1: Again, I'm not saying there's a direct connection between mind
Speaker 1: control and this guy. We don't have any direct evidence
Speaker 1: of that. But McGill is interesting because it is the
Speaker 1: central university involved, one of the central universities in the
Speaker 1: mk ulture project. That's also the alma mater of Big
Speaker 1: New Brazinski himself.
Speaker 4: Mm hmm.
Speaker 6: So about the same time the cat killers, I mean,
Speaker 6: the cat detectives are trying to find this cat killer
Speaker 6: in Montreal, a murder happens, and so they think that
Speaker 6: they they're really close to catching the guy who's called cats,
Speaker 6: but they don't know that he's also just now graduated
Speaker 6: onto his first victim.
Speaker 4: A Chinese guy.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 1: And then also again I don't really know why they
Speaker 1: didn't talk about the cannibalism aspect of it, because this
Speaker 1: is a big part of the story in the media.
Speaker 1: Maybe the media just made that up or something. I
Speaker 1: don't know, But I mean, the story itself was just
Speaker 1: so crazy that the media didn't really have to make
Speaker 1: anything up.
Speaker 3: It was so crazy.
Speaker 1: So yeah, so they ended up tracking him down, they
Speaker 1: found his information. How was it they eventually caught it
Speaker 1: because he was using the internet cafes, right.
Speaker 6: Well, they're simultaneously investigating this murder and then the cat
Speaker 6: detective people are sending them information like this guy he's
Speaker 6: been killing cats, you might want to.
Speaker 4: Look into him. Whatever.
Speaker 6: And then once they found it was weird because they
Speaker 6: found a torso in a suitcase, and they found in
Speaker 6: the dumpster nearby, like all of this bloody evidence and
Speaker 6: a dead dog and Luca's identification with the Chinese victims.
Speaker 6: So I'm like, who put that stuff in there? That
Speaker 6: makes absolutely no sense. So first they're thinking Luca is
Speaker 6: the victim because they didn't find a head or hands
Speaker 6: or feet.
Speaker 1: Yeah, right right, I mean it's kind of crazy, like
Speaker 1: why would you do that?
Speaker 3: It devised logic.
Speaker 1: But I think in the case of a lot of
Speaker 1: these people, it almost seems like this guy wasn't associative.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think he actually really was, but
Speaker 1: he was living out.
Speaker 3: A fantasy in his head.
Speaker 1: And I've met a few people I had contact with,
Speaker 1: people who, for example, grew up on movies. They had
Speaker 1: the missing father, which was apparently I think the case
Speaker 1: with Luca.
Speaker 3: They lived their life through.
Speaker 1: The mirror image of Hollywood and the Hollywood stories.
Speaker 3: And so what happens is that the archetypes.
Speaker 1: Of Hollywood and the way Hollywood presents those archetypes gets
Speaker 1: impressed upon your mind and they kind of become a
Speaker 1: replacement father figure. They teach you how to be a man,
Speaker 1: how to operate in the world, what to do, and
Speaker 1: in his case, he's a perfect example of the Hollywood
Speaker 1: reflection of the attempt to be, on the one hand,
Speaker 1: a mastermind director, where you're like, you have a god
Speaker 1: complex that you're directing, you know, your own life. You're
Speaker 1: like the director of your own life, and you're some
Speaker 1: sort of god or something like this.
Speaker 3: And then you're also the.
Speaker 1: Star of your own story because you are the centerpiece
Speaker 1: of the universe, and you know you're telling the story.
Speaker 1: You're creating the story on the Internet, and it's now
Speaker 1: international news and everybody's searching for you. And you're layering
Speaker 1: it with these references to movies like American Psycho and
Speaker 1: Basic Instant, and it's just a bizarre twist of living
Speaker 1: out this alternate reality in your mind that doesn't match
Speaker 1: up actually to the to the to the external.
Speaker 3: World, but in the in the realm of Hollywood.
Speaker 1: One of the key things that Hollywood impresses upon people
Speaker 1: is the notion that you actually can live out this
Speaker 1: this fantasy world. Right, the fantasy world replaces the real world. Now,
Speaker 1: I mean Hollywood's not as important as it used to be.
Speaker 1: Right now, it's all switching over into streaming and video games.
Speaker 1: But you know, this guy grew up in the nineties,
Speaker 1: I guess, so he would be, you know, growing up
Speaker 1: watching movies like American Psycho, which I mean, when you're
Speaker 1: a kid, you don't really grasp satire or satire doesn't really
Speaker 1: make sense to you when you're a teenager. You know,
Speaker 1: you don't get satire until you're older, just like Natural
Speaker 1: More Killers as well.
Speaker 3: Notice it's it's satire.
Speaker 1: I didn't really get satire when I was, you know,
Speaker 1: fifteen or whatever when this movie came out, and so
Speaker 1: it can have a put an nihil stick effect on
Speaker 1: you if you don't get.
Speaker 6: This is interesting because I just realized the common theme
Speaker 6: through all of these documentaries and cases that we're going
Speaker 6: to look at is that fame is more important than freedom, Like.
Speaker 4: Fame is.
Speaker 6: Well for Luca, you know, he was willing to take
Speaker 6: that risk to do commit these crimes and things because
Speaker 6: he wanted more attention m HM, and he wanted to
Speaker 6: be famous at all costs.
Speaker 4: And then that's a common theme that I found.
Speaker 1: So he was willing to risk you know, basically spending
Speaker 1: the rest of his life in prison if he could
Speaker 1: be famous like that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, yeah, I see.
Speaker 6: And then well, some of the movies that they highlighted
Speaker 6: in this that he was into was Scarface, Casablanca.
Speaker 4: He had a Castablanca poster hanging up.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: He was obsessed with old Hollywood, so Bogart and Marlena
Speaker 1: Dietrich and.
Speaker 4: These characters, and he was directing his own murder movie.
Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying. That's what I was saying.
Speaker 4: Yea, So he put that poster up. Catch movie can
Speaker 4: We talked about that and basic Instincts. So all kind of.
Speaker 6: Intense movies with lots of killing and intrigue and twists.
Speaker 6: So then they started mailing body parts to Prime Minister,
Speaker 6: to government officials, to schools.
Speaker 4: I think some feet went somewhere.
Speaker 3: And this reminds me.
Speaker 1: Of the story in the Book of Judges where the
Speaker 1: there's a how who gets cut up at the end
Speaker 1: of the Book of Judges and her parts get mailed
Speaker 1: to different people. So I wonder if he wasn't referenced,
Speaker 1: nobody would have caught that, you know, unless you're familiar
Speaker 1: with the Book of Judges. I don't know if he
Speaker 1: intentionally meant that. I think some people in the articles.
Speaker 1: There's a actually a article in the UK Mirror, which
Speaker 1: is tabloid, but sometimes tabloids actually have some some valid information.
Speaker 1: I don't mean Batboy in weekly World News, but I
Speaker 1: mean I'm seriously, I mean tabloids like the Mirror.
Speaker 3: They will actually break stories that nobody else will.
Speaker 1: And there's actually an interesting history of different intelligence agencies
Speaker 1: related to tabloids.
Speaker 3: I'm not saying everybody at tabloid is a spy. I'm
Speaker 3: not saying that at all.
Speaker 1: But if you're interested in more on that, you can
Speaker 1: go listen to the old, fascinating interview.
Speaker 3: That I did with one of the.
Speaker 1: Premiere famous paparazzo's, Charles. Look for that in the Jays
Speaker 1: Analysis archive bank Charles Piecraft not a real name, by
Speaker 1: the way, obviously, go listen to that interesting interview. He
Speaker 1: has some wild stories from ten years of being a
Speaker 1: paparazzi and.
Speaker 3: He can tell you about the history of that relationship.
Speaker 1: But The Mirror had an interesting article talking about the
Speaker 1: different movies that had clearly influenced him, and it should
Speaker 1: have been obvious. But I don't actually like the movie
Speaker 1: seven very much kind of gross. But yeah, mailing the
Speaker 1: body of parts that's from seven.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, you're right, You're totally right.
Speaker 1: So the hollywoodization principle of the serial killer, which is
Speaker 1: we've covered many many times. We've covered that in the
Speaker 1: old day. McGowan analyses that we did the program to
Speaker 1: kill right other I just recently did the video on
Speaker 1: Signs of the Lambs. Go watch that video where we
Speaker 1: talk about the hollywoodization of the serial killer as a star.
Speaker 1: This goes back to Manson and perhaps earlier you could argue,
Speaker 1: but that's really what National Warren Killers is about.
Speaker 3: Who's the real villain here?
Speaker 7: Right?
Speaker 3: Is it the media?
Speaker 4: Or that was the moral of the story at the
Speaker 4: very end of the caj documentary. So it was crazy
Speaker 4: because after he did.
Speaker 6: The murder, he went to Paris and then he went
Speaker 6: to Berlin, and by now the forties are after him, right,
Speaker 6: and he goes to Berlin, he goes to internet cafe
Speaker 6: and well, the documentary says that they caught him.
Speaker 4: Because he was looking at himself online.
Speaker 1: And I still don't understand how that how he got
Speaker 1: caught doing that though, like because his.
Speaker 6: Name, his face was plastered like most wanted, you know,
Speaker 6: if you see this person. And then the guy that
Speaker 6: ran the internet cafe was like, hey, that looks like
Speaker 6: that dude.
Speaker 3: The Internet cafe guy said that he looks like that guy.
Speaker 6: Okay, I the dude that looks like the most wanted
Speaker 6: guy is looking at the most Wanted Guy's website, like
Speaker 6: looking at pictures of himself, And so that's how he
Speaker 6: caught him.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so every time you google yourself, you're basically on
Speaker 1: the verge of getting docks.
Speaker 3: But yeah, so his vanity was his downfall. That's the
Speaker 3: interesting thing here.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and then I watched another YouTube video about him.
Speaker 4: Oh that was the thing.
Speaker 6: Like, so they took him back into interrogation when they
Speaker 6: caught him, right, and they stick him in the room
Speaker 6: and they film him and they're trying to get details,
Speaker 6: and he's trying to pin it on this guy named.
Speaker 4: Manny, like this mysterious guy named Manny.
Speaker 3: Who he was? He was making me?
Speaker 4: Yes, exactly who made me do it? Can you do Luca?
Speaker 3: No, I'd have to hear him again. I I'd have
Speaker 3: to hear him again to do his voice.
Speaker 1: But I was just thinking of who Manny would be
Speaker 1: many many Lopez or something like that.
Speaker 4: Luca's voice was interesting and funny.
Speaker 1: He is Zoolander. He's like if Zoolander was a real
Speaker 1: guy and was a cannibal. Yes, so yeah, this part
Speaker 1: was interesting and I didn't even catch because I've not
Speaker 1: seen Basic Instinct.
Speaker 3: Gotta know what the story was.
Speaker 1: But the whole thing of him asking for the cigarette
Speaker 1: and he's.
Speaker 7: Doing the scene of Sharon Stone, yes by all the
Speaker 7: way down to like crossing and crossing his legs and
Speaker 7: asking for a cigarette, and so he was just living
Speaker 7: his own little movie inside his.
Speaker 3: Head, right, yeah, so what do we get from this? Alliant?
Speaker 1: And don't forget his lawyer. He chose the lawyer on
Speaker 1: the basis of the lawyer looking like Michael Douglass.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I chose you because lawyer.
Speaker 1: Like so he's in other words, he's casting people. He's
Speaker 1: choosing he's casting people in his movie. He's like, you're
Speaker 1: the lawyer I want because you.
Speaker 4: Look like Michael Douglass exactly.
Speaker 1: It's like I'm playing the role of Christian Bale as
Speaker 1: you know, Sharon Stone and basic Instinct from American Psycho.
Speaker 4: And he's like, Manny made me do it.
Speaker 6: So they all the cat detectives go and watch Basic
Speaker 6: Instinct because he's acting like that, right, and in the movie,
Speaker 6: And that's how they figured out he's a character in
Speaker 6: the movie.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that he just made up.
Speaker 3: Since I've not seen it, I don't know.
Speaker 1: Is Manny in the movie a fake character that Sharon
Speaker 1: Stone has made up?
Speaker 4: I think Manny is who Sharon Stone killed for being
Speaker 4: abusive person or something O the boyfriend, So like abusive
Speaker 4: ex husband or somebody.
Speaker 3: In the chapel know who Manny is in the story, they.
Speaker 4: Can tell me. But so it had me going because, Okay,
Speaker 4: here's this kid. He looks like very slender and gentle
Speaker 4: and you know, obviously gay, but like not like violent looking.
Speaker 4: He looks really chill.
Speaker 6: He talks goofy. But you know, it made you wonder
Speaker 6: like did he just get caught up in the sleazy
Speaker 6: world of escorts and politicians and high powered you know,
Speaker 6: snuff filmmakers or did.
Speaker 4: He direct this all on his own?
Speaker 1: And that's what I still he claims that, right, he
Speaker 1: claimed that he was uh thrown into this world of
Speaker 1: escorts and eight millimeter type movies.
Speaker 3: If you've seen the Nick Cage typ movies, right, we
Speaker 3: don't want to say, those kinds of movies on YouTube.
Speaker 1: So eight millimeters top Nick Cage movies. And then it
Speaker 1: turns out that it appears that this is all made up.
Speaker 1: There are, i will say, a couple of scenes where
Speaker 1: you almost believe that maybe it's true, because there's a
Speaker 1: scene where he comes out of an apartment building after
Speaker 1: he had committed.
Speaker 3: The murder and he appears to have a tape.
Speaker 1: Or something and then they say, you know that he's
Speaker 1: going to have to take this tape to his handler
Speaker 1: or whatever, and so it almost seems plausible. But then
Speaker 1: apparently nobody could turn up any evidence of this manny character.
Speaker 1: So the mom of course throughout the whole thing is
Speaker 1: kind of backing him up.
Speaker 3: But so that was interesting.
Speaker 1: Let's move to natural born Killers because we are going
Speaker 1: to have a separate analysis after this. This is a
Speaker 1: part one, So if you guys want to hear the
Speaker 1: part two of what are we gonna cover, We're gonna
Speaker 1: cover Katy Perry in her background.
Speaker 3: We're gonna cover her the background of.
Speaker 1: And this is interesting, right, so you think, well, who
Speaker 1: cares about these pop stars? Well, there's actually an interesting
Speaker 1: history behind a lot of these pop stars and a
Speaker 1: lot of money and powerful interests that go into making
Speaker 1: these pop stars into the products that they are, and
Speaker 1: many of them have breakdowns, and so we're gonna cover
Speaker 1: some of that kind of stuff because I think a
Speaker 1: lot of people don't know about this.
Speaker 3: That'll be in part two.
Speaker 1: We're gonna have a separate stream after this that's gonna
Speaker 1: be planned. It's the UNI eight stream. I'm I have
Speaker 1: to move out till about five fifteen, five twenty and
Speaker 1: some another say thirty forty minutes for that stream. But
Speaker 1: let's move on now to the topic of Natural Born Killers.
Speaker 1: I did a lot of notes on this. I might
Speaker 1: do a different video just on Natural More Killers. But
Speaker 1: going back and watching Natural More Killers, it's from ninety four,
Speaker 1: it's just like, Man, this.
Speaker 3: Movie nailed it.
Speaker 1: It nailed everything about where we are, everything about the
Speaker 1: idealization of the serial killer, everything about the narcissism, reflection,
Speaker 1: symbiotic relationship of the media, and now how the Internet
Speaker 1: and social media has kind of taken on that role
Speaker 1: the critique of mass culture.
Speaker 3: There is a bit of revelation that there's a bit
Speaker 3: of revelation of the method involved in this. What we're
Speaker 3: gonna say, child abuse.
Speaker 1: Yes, that's right, because the Julie I didn't remember this.
Speaker 1: The Juliet Lewis character is has an abusive relationship with
Speaker 1: Ronnie Dangerfield, right at all, I tell you she's abused
Speaker 1: by her dad. Ronney Dangerfield looks nothing like Lewis. I
Speaker 1: don't know how that was her dad, but so let's
Speaker 1: talk about that. So we see at the beginning of
Speaker 1: the film there's a desert, there's.
Speaker 3: Wolves, and there's snakes.
Speaker 1: Right, So the text mex Desert Demon demons in the
Speaker 1: wilderness America is a haunted desert.
Speaker 3: Almost This is a theme that comes up in a
Speaker 3: lot of movies.
Speaker 1: And we see a TV screen of channel Channel Channel
Speaker 1: Channel Channel.
Speaker 3: TV show TV show, TV show TV show. Right, this
Speaker 3: is going to tie perfectly with Luca. Luca is the
Speaker 3: perfect example of Mickey and Mallory.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I know.
Speaker 6: And he was even trying to tie himself with other
Speaker 6: serial killers. Like someone started a rumor that he was
Speaker 6: dating another serial killer lady the.
Speaker 3: Other serial calls.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they were a couple serial killers.
Speaker 1: So there's this Canadian couple, uh that Barbie and Kin.
Speaker 1: They're called the barbian Ken doll Killers. They don't look
Speaker 1: like Barbie or Kin. I don't know why they got
Speaker 1: that appellation. They're quite mediocre.
Speaker 3: Looking in terms of their their looks.
Speaker 4: It's like they're Canadian.
Speaker 3: Okay, So the Canadian level of hatty is different from Audie. Okay,
Speaker 3: So no.
Speaker 1: Offense all you leafs, because the leafs are going to
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Speaker 3: Here on Jason elf any super chat questions.
Speaker 1: But so yeah, if we go back to the way,
Speaker 1: so the National Killers presents us immediately with the attempt
Speaker 1: to see the world through the reflection of a of
Speaker 1: a movie screen, of a TV screen. H And again,
Speaker 1: even though the movie is about TV and TV is
Speaker 1: not as big as it was in the nineties, it's
Speaker 1: applicable perfectly now to social media. I mean, Luca Magnata
Speaker 1: is the again the emblem of all of that TV
Speaker 1: stuff and nineties movies and so forth as applied to
Speaker 1: social media. Again, the perfect example of what the right
Speaker 1: ear and the different people from from Facebook and those
Speaker 1: those different engineers said was designed. Social media is designed
Speaker 1: to do and design to create. So they see Serial
Speaker 1: Killers as superstars. They see them as a group of
Speaker 1: people to aspire to be because it's almost like the
Speaker 1: true American rebel is the most opposed, right, I mean,
Speaker 1: if the establishment media calls these people out as villains,
Speaker 1: then to be a rebel is to be one of
Speaker 1: these people.
Speaker 6: Well, that goes along with what I would talk about
Speaker 6: several years ago called dark hero programming. Yes, okay, so
Speaker 6: instead of identifying with the hero like Batman or Superman,
Speaker 6: used to start to identify with the Joker character or
Speaker 6: the villain like a Watchman or something, because the world
Speaker 6: is so corrupt that there are no ideals to stand
Speaker 6: up for anymore, and it has to be inverted the Joker.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so pure Boker is a good example. Donnie Darko
Speaker 1: was kind of a version of this. Batman is the
Speaker 1: classic dark hero.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 1: So the nihilism that results of relativism least to nihilism,
Speaker 1: and the nihilism results in will.
Speaker 3: To power, Well, I might as well just enforce my.
Speaker 1: Because everything in the world is just will to power.
Speaker 1: This actually comes up in Mickey's speech. Mickey actually says
Speaker 1: this at a crucial point in the film. But before
Speaker 1: you get to that, we have the Great sequence at
Speaker 1: the beginning when they start killing at this diner or whatever,
Speaker 1: and you hear L seven.
Speaker 4: You make my shit list list.
Speaker 1: If you've never heard this song, That's exactly what happens
Speaker 1: right that. I remind because it just makes me think
Speaker 1: of riding around in high school with Ben listening to
Speaker 1: shit lists by L seven.
Speaker 3: But anyway, shout out to Ben.
Speaker 1: There on that one we see them riding down route
Speaker 1: six sixty six. That's an appropriate road because there's consistent
Speaker 1: satanic and demonic themes.
Speaker 3: In the film.
Speaker 1: They're actually going to continue they see demons, especially when
Speaker 1: they get to their initiation experience in the lodge with
Speaker 1: none other than Russell means if you've ever if you
Speaker 1: were a long time Jones a listener, then you remember
Speaker 1: Russell means. Russell means the famous Indian story. He's some
Speaker 1: sort of politician, I think exactly.
Speaker 4: That was an interesting party, oh am I cutting out, No,
Speaker 4: you're good. Oh. That was an interesting part of the
Speaker 4: movie because it just shows you the whole chaoticness of.
Speaker 6: It because the the story he was telling him was
Speaker 6: about the snake that you know they saved, and the
Speaker 6: snake bit him. Is like what you've heard that tale, right,
Speaker 6: what did you think I was gonna do as a snake?
Speaker 4: You know that I was?
Speaker 1: Yeah, and Trump used that story in the campaign, which
Speaker 1: was funny, except he applied it to like a something else,
Speaker 1: like a scorpion or something like that.
Speaker 4: But yeah, mm hmm.
Speaker 3: Yeah. So so he sees himself.
Speaker 6: Like a snake, I mean, because they are so far
Speaker 6: possessed that they're just going to destroy everything in their path,
Speaker 6: even something that's trying to help.
Speaker 4: You know that Russell Mean's character was right.
Speaker 1: So before they get to the initiation stage, though, we
Speaker 1: see a flashback to their origin stories, both of the
Speaker 1: of these characters. And when Malory, which by the way,
Speaker 1: the beginning of her name is mal malice right in Latin,
Speaker 1: when we reflect upon her origin story, she sees her
Speaker 1: life as a sitcom. So she grew up watching I
Speaker 1: don't know these Archie Bunker or whatever whatever she keeps
Speaker 1: appealing to in her head, mixed with mixed with married
Speaker 1: with children or something. And and so the Rodney Dangefeld character,
Speaker 1: you know, is abusive to her.
Speaker 3: She's been abused in an obviously creepy way.
Speaker 1: And this has resulted in her dissociation and screwed up.
Speaker 1: Uh persona Mickey comes in to save her. Mickey sees
Speaker 1: everything as a Western, right, so he he grew up
Speaker 1: on Westerns and whatever. I don't even I don't know
Speaker 1: anything about Western Bonanza or some shit. So he sees
Speaker 1: everything as Westerns and he's there to be like this
Speaker 1: hero character. But he's not really a hero in the
Speaker 1: sense of the of their being virtue.
Speaker 3: He's just a hero in the sense of doing whatever
Speaker 3: the f he wants. Right. He's a he's a dark
Speaker 3: hero outlaw. He's an outlaw exactly right. Uh, Indian outlaw
Speaker 3: jerky and hall ee. She's a tip of a hall
Speaker 3: She's one of.
Speaker 6: The What was interesting about that scene was that when
Speaker 6: the origin story of hers was coming out, when they
Speaker 6: were having the dialogue about her being molested or whatever,
Speaker 6: it was as if it was a sitcom with a
Speaker 6: laugh track, and so they were delivering the lines and
Speaker 6: people people were laughing at the the joke that was
Speaker 6: her being molested.
Speaker 1: Her life, right, everything is a joke. Absurdism.
Speaker 3: What's the church of the subgenus thing? What's the whole world? Right?
Speaker 3: But what's the worldview?
Speaker 1: It's Discordian absurdist type of worldview. Yeah, so yeah, everything's nihilistic.
Speaker 3: Let's see what else to have my notes about Mickey.
Speaker 3: So they have a snake wedding ring. The eternal return
Speaker 3: of the Oboros of Nietzsche is mentioned explicitly. It comes
Speaker 3: at multiple times. Snake snake snakes.
Speaker 1: Then we have the interesting introduction of the character of
Speaker 1: Wayne Gail, Who's funny because Wayne Gail is played by
Speaker 1: Robert Downey Junior, who's this uh, he's an Australian sort
Speaker 1: of Inside Edition Heraldo meets Inside Edition meets h what's
Speaker 1: the John what's.
Speaker 3: His name from? Not Catch a Predator but Chris Hansen.
Speaker 1: No, well this is before Chris Hansen, who's the guy
Speaker 1: that did the America's Most Wanted. That guy says like
Speaker 1: a mix of all these guys into one guy who's like,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 3: Oh, I'm gonna I'm on this scene. I'm gonna you know.
Speaker 1: And then he gets the great interview eventually with with Mickey,
Speaker 1: and so we see that the Hollywood Killers are serialized.
Speaker 1: Wayne Gale presents his version of the story. That part
Speaker 1: was really funny because rather than them just being killers,
Speaker 1: he presents Mallory like Rambo and so she's like, got
Speaker 1: this bazooka and she's taken out people. So a really
Speaker 1: interesting commentary on how the media then takes the stories
Speaker 1: of the serial killers blows them up again, sort of
Speaker 1: echoing the Dave mcgallan take, also perhaps echoed in the
Speaker 1: Once Upon a Time in Hollywood. I think there's an
Speaker 1: element of this in Tarantino's most recent movie. Again, Tarantino
Speaker 1: is who he producer, directed this, and then Oliver Stone
Speaker 1: did something Anyway, Now Oliver Stone, it's it's an it's
Speaker 1: a Stone Tarantino production.
Speaker 3: So you're gonna get elements of both of those guys here.
Speaker 1: But the serial killers are Hollywood eyed. Part of the
Speaker 1: story is a mythology. And then the point here being
Speaker 1: is that the the product of this is a it's
Speaker 1: unclear as to who really the villain is. Is the
Speaker 1: villain actually the media who makes these people famous is
Speaker 1: the villain? Hollywood who satirizes and propels these stories.
Speaker 3: Is the villain the serial killer? Or they're all villains? Right?
Speaker 3: And I think that this is the incoherence. One last point,
Speaker 3: The incoherence.
Speaker 1: Of this is shown in their tattoos. Right, do you
Speaker 1: do you remember that they're all they're all.
Speaker 3: Tatted up and all their tattoos make absolutely no sense. Right.
Speaker 3: So there's a tattoo that deals with like love.
Speaker 1: There's a tattoo of a yin yang, which is like
Speaker 1: the whole evil good dialectic which comes up all throughout
Speaker 1: the movie that good is evil, evil's good. There's a
Speaker 1: tattoo of the almost a caduceis of two snakes, the
Speaker 1: there's the tattoo of a scorpion, and the tattoo of Jesus.
Speaker 3: This is a.
Speaker 1: Incoherent, just zibber jabber got gaggle of nonsense of tattoos
Speaker 1: that mean absolutely everything and nothing all at once.
Speaker 3: It's it's a.
Speaker 1: Totally if you look at their tattoos, what they believe in, right,
Speaker 1: what they stamp themselves with as believing in. It's kind
Speaker 1: of like the typical American, isn't it a concatenation, a
Speaker 1: cafeteria approach of getting a dab of this, a daba
Speaker 1: that daba that all together into a pile of nonsense.
Speaker 4: Oh, that's a good way to put it.
Speaker 6: Remember two, when you were talking about who's the to
Speaker 6: blame or who's the villain the there was also the
Speaker 6: detective character who was obsessed with Mallory.
Speaker 1: And would get Yes, the size Tom Sizemore plays the
Speaker 1: obsessed p I who just wants to, you know, get
Speaker 1: it on with Juliet Lewis.
Speaker 6: Right, yeah, so even the good guys are bad guys
Speaker 6: in this. And then also the Tommy Lee Jones character
Speaker 6: who when they went to his prison he was the warden.
Speaker 4: He became famous. So everybody is.
Speaker 1: Profiting yeah, right, a serial killer market, right, becomes this
Speaker 1: whole industry exactly. That's another interesting critique, And and I
Speaker 1: think that there's an element of insight that we could
Speaker 1: get from Mickey, because Mickey actually makes my argument against
Speaker 1: Darwinism and against materialism. He says, look, if if the
Speaker 1: world is just competing forces of good and evil, or
Speaker 1: if the world is just naturalistic process, then what we
Speaker 1: call life and what we call death are just flip
Speaker 1: sides of the same coin, and they're both equally necessary.
Speaker 1: There's not really any value judgment between one being good
Speaker 1: and one being bad. They just are right, yeah, and
Speaker 1: they're just they're just part of the evolutionary process. They're
Speaker 1: just part of the nevating or bios nietzsche An eternal
Speaker 1: return cycle.
Speaker 6: Well, he was talking about the snake just hunts.
Speaker 4: It does what it does that both kills, it does.
Speaker 6: It doesn't have any remorse or discretion when it just
Speaker 6: does that. And he's saying that he is that soul
Speaker 6: is killer and you can't say he's good or bad.
Speaker 4: He just is a killer.
Speaker 3: He just is, Yeah, just like a natural force is
Speaker 3: in the world.
Speaker 1: So he sees himself kind of like if you've seen
Speaker 1: No Country for Old Men, Right, Anton Sugar sees himself
Speaker 1: as just a force of nature. He's just a determined
Speaker 1: force of nature like anything else. Why is one action
Speaker 1: good another action evil? And we have to keep in
Speaker 1: mind too that the serial killer phenomenon had a huge
Speaker 1: impact on altering American society. It was a huge sy
Speaker 1: op in the sense of it being useful to adamize
Speaker 1: society and remove everybody's innocence and all this kind of stuff.
Speaker 6: Right.
Speaker 3: So notice also that US culture in the film determines
Speaker 3: global culture. Right. You have all of the other you
Speaker 3: see like MTV Japan or something like this, and they're
Speaker 3: like we love Malarihiki, very rebel.
Speaker 1: You know, you see all these people doing all over
Speaker 1: the world. It's like all these different cultures are emulating
Speaker 1: American culture.
Speaker 3: Why are you immimating? Why are you emulating this degenerate culture.
Speaker 3: It's ridiculous, by the way. And also before you say.
Speaker 1: That, keep in mind too, two scenes very reminiscent of
Speaker 1: David lynch films Lost Highway and Wild at Heart.
Speaker 3: Two very reminiscent scenes. The scene where they're in.
Speaker 1: The desert with Mickey and Mallory just just like the
Speaker 1: Wild at Heart, very close to the Wilde Heart scene
Speaker 1: with Sailor and Loula Belle in the desert. And then
Speaker 1: this movie is in between Lost Highway and h.
Speaker 3: I just went blank, what's the other David Waldehart, excuse me?
Speaker 1: Wilde Heart and then and then Lost Highway. So that
Speaker 1: the scene where they're at the mechanic when when she
Speaker 1: runs off, it's actually the Peat The Peak character is
Speaker 1: a mechanic who's tempted.
Speaker 3: That's exactly what happens in Lost Highway.
Speaker 1: The same actor, the Peak character playing the mechanic, they
Speaker 1: tempted with Rosanna Arquette, who's the mobster's you know, girlfriend,
Speaker 1: So in this case it's the girlfriend.
Speaker 3: Of the serial killer, right, not the mobster.
Speaker 1: But very very just a curious thing I noticed there
Speaker 1: with similarities to the David Lynch films.
Speaker 3: But go ahead, So let's see.
Speaker 1: A lot of scenes where we see out windows and
Speaker 1: outside the window, the world is viewed like a movie.
Speaker 1: The outside world viewed like a movie. That's the whole
Speaker 1: meaning of this movie.
Speaker 3: So then we get to their We'll get to their initiation.
Speaker 3: Go ahead.
Speaker 4: They were doing psychedelics, all right, this is there.
Speaker 3: So they go to the sweat lodge.
Speaker 1: I remember how they come to this, but they get
Speaker 1: they take shrooms and they trip out with this Indian shaman.
Speaker 1: I wrote down something about a song. I don't remember
Speaker 1: what song they were singing. They see demons. The the
Speaker 1: shaman looks at at Mickey and he sees.
Speaker 3: His face morph into the demonic and he's like you
Speaker 3: are He's like, you are evil?
Speaker 4: Yeah, And so.
Speaker 1: Mickey and Mallory then just like go crazy once again.
Speaker 1: And then I think maybe it's the little kid is
Speaker 1: like you people are evil and then he runs off,
Speaker 1: and uh, this is I think again. If we think
Speaker 1: of America as a place of quote innocence in the
Speaker 1: forties and fifties, right, Mickey and Mallory being after the
Speaker 1: sixties counterculture, they represent the loss of innocence in the
Speaker 1: next phase in the process of cultural cultural collapse and decay.
Speaker 3: Then then they represent.
Speaker 1: The reason they're constantly referred to as snakes is that
Speaker 1: they're like snakes.
Speaker 3: In the garden of Eden, right, they're all they're the
Speaker 3: they're the snake.
Speaker 1: That's that's like Satan destroying the innocence of of Eden.
Speaker 3: Not in America. Actually literally was you know Eden? Or
Speaker 3: was innocent?
Speaker 1: I'm saying that that symbology is being used here and
Speaker 1: all of a sudden actually does this symbology and other
Speaker 1: films if you've seen You Turn, he does the exact
Speaker 1: same thing, because you realize that this desert town that
Speaker 1: spoiler alert that Sean Penn is stuck in is almost
Speaker 1: kind of hell. Basically, it's either purgatory or hell. And
Speaker 1: there's there's you know, snakes and this kind.
Speaker 3: Of stuff going on in this desert town as well. So, oh,
Speaker 3: they get bitten by the snake too, don't forget that
Speaker 3: they're bitten.
Speaker 4: By Yeah, she gets that's how they get caught.
Speaker 3: Right, It's all an illusion.
Speaker 1: It's all if surrealism comes up illusion this kind of stuff,
Speaker 1: and they think that it's all an illusion because of
Speaker 1: TV and movies, right, and that the world of TV
Speaker 1: and movies, it's all illusion. And then the real world
Speaker 1: has been blended with it's all illusion in Hollywood. So
Speaker 1: now the real world is a illusion, and that's what
Speaker 1: surrealism is real them the idea that there's no literal, there's.
Speaker 3: Literally no separations in a waken state, in the dream state.
Speaker 3: M h everybody. So this is what Stefan said.
Speaker 1: He's like, every time I get on camera and my
Speaker 1: nose starts ithing the same with me, and then people
Speaker 1: are he.
Speaker 3: Does coke, he does coke. He just he does coke. No, dude,
Speaker 3: I have allergies.
Speaker 1: I'm in my library. There's a lot of dust everyone
Speaker 1: in this library. So my nose is always itching. So
Speaker 1: I'm not or here doing lines like scarface.
Speaker 6: Throughout the movie, they show the fans of Mickey and
Speaker 6: Mallery just like as if they're on tour.
Speaker 3: Oh, they're like tour, they're touring. I didn't even think
Speaker 3: about that they're doing a tour across the.
Speaker 6: US because when you said, like all the Japanese people like, oh,
Speaker 6: we love making me married, I'm like, that just happened.
Speaker 6: And all through these documentaries, they you know, they always
Speaker 6: have to have the shots of all the adoring fans
Speaker 6: in every country, but they put that in National War
Speaker 6: Killers too, so like the serial Killers.
Speaker 3: Are on tour exactly. Good point.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's almost like, even though there's not live stream,
Speaker 1: I mean yet when we have the prison sequence, it's
Speaker 1: almost like they're like, quick, quick, quick, they're doing a
Speaker 1: revolution in the prison. Get it on film, So it's
Speaker 1: like a live stream. It's a live streaming of the
Speaker 1: prison revolution in the middle of the super Bowl. I
Speaker 1: thought that was interesting. The super Bowl keeps coming up
Speaker 1: because the super Bowl itself is ridiculous.
Speaker 3: A giant social engineering mechanism. And then and then we're.
Speaker 4: Gonna talk about the Super bowler.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So in part two, by the way, we will get
Speaker 1: to the super Bowl, this year's super Bowl. We're gonna
Speaker 1: break it down with expert super Bowl analyst Jamie Hanshaw.
Speaker 1: We're going to talk about the other big pop stars
Speaker 1: in there, weird backstories. Jamie has done a lot of
Speaker 1: research on this. But we're gonna close this discussion up
Speaker 1: pretty soon. I did want to mention again that the
Speaker 1: most relevant scene in the whole film is Mickey's interview,
Speaker 1: almost like it's reminiscent of the Barbara Walters Charles Manson interview.
Speaker 1: You know where I mean, he's Mickey's a little more eloquence.
Speaker 3: Than Charles geeble gabble, I'm the darkness in a lot.
Speaker 3: Mickey is more eloquent than the madness of Charles.
Speaker 6: Uh.
Speaker 1: And he actually gives a coherent argument on the bases
Speaker 1: of naturalistic materialism.
Speaker 3: Right, so the most, that's the most, that's the key
Speaker 3: thing to.
Speaker 1: Take away from this film is that that's the world
Speaker 1: view of Americanism. That's the world view of naturalism, Darwinism, materialism,
Speaker 1: hollywoodism is.
Speaker 3: So they live stream the prison break.
Speaker 1: He talks about reincarnation, reincarnation is the you know, Nietzsche
Speaker 1: and eternal return, transmigration.
Speaker 3: Of soul circle. Remember what's uh, what's Rust's.
Speaker 1: Line from from True Detective.
Speaker 3: I don't know thought about a flat circle? How you escaped?
Speaker 3: Going on? I know.
Speaker 4: He says, I can smell the shackles.
Speaker 3: Smell it's a internal return exactly. Yeah, that's Nietzsche reincarnation.
Speaker 3: So Plato, mm hmm.
Speaker 4: Let's struck me about.
Speaker 6: The end of about the end when they're doing the
Speaker 6: live stream and the prison break, you could You might
Speaker 6: even say that it was the media's fault that the
Speaker 6: prison riot happened and they were allowed to escape.
Speaker 3: Oh, the media wanted the prison ride. They're like, oh,
Speaker 3: this is perfect, get this, get it, help it on,
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 1: And then and that so that comes up in and again,
Speaker 1: perfect mirror image of this in the Luca Magnetic character,
Speaker 1: just like the Jake John Hall movie Nightcrawler. If you've
Speaker 1: not seen Nightcrawler, I recommend that the same same idea there,
Speaker 1: go back and listen to my interview with Sean Helton
Speaker 1: from five four.
Speaker 3: Or five years ago where we did a really good analysis.
Speaker 3: He did a great write up on a Nightcrawler.
Speaker 1: Sean also has a great analysis of National Warren Killers
Speaker 1: too on my website, so you can go check out
Speaker 1: Shawn's analysis.
Speaker 3: But go ahead, I guess that's.
Speaker 4: Why I had to say about Ashbourn Killers.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, don't forget that Wayne Gaale in the midst
Speaker 1: of the revolution in the prison he congratulates them like
Speaker 1: they're they're both actors in the same play.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, great performance, great.
Speaker 4: Performance, authentic life or something.
Speaker 3: Great performance, Mickey, great performance.
Speaker 6: He's broken the fourth wall and now he's like actually
Speaker 6: in it. Instead of just reporting on.
Speaker 1: It exactly, Yes, doing that gonzo thing of inserting yourself
Speaker 1: into the story like mister Hunter S.
Speaker 3: Thompson did so famously.
Speaker 1: All right, so thank you for that, Jamie. Part two
Speaker 1: we'll be either later tonight or tomorrow. Jamie and I
Speaker 1: will do the rest of this stream. If you want that,
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Speaker 1: get posted. And yes, I know I'm behind on the
Speaker 1: part two of Genesis, the Final Electron Genesis, that will.
Speaker 3: Be up in the next few days as well.
Speaker 1: And then right after this, don't go anywhere. We're switching
Speaker 1: gears over to theology, and we have an answer to
Speaker 1: the stream relating to challenges from the Uniates and.
Speaker 3: Everybody I'm sure is familiar with the.
Speaker 1: Flanders conversion story, We're going to have a reverse conversion story.
Speaker 1: We're going to be interviewing a person who moved from
Speaker 1: Uniitism into Orthodoxy and he's going to give us his
Speaker 1: account of the audities and inconsistencies of the world of
Speaker 1: the Uniates, the Byzantine Catholics, the melchites and so forth.
Speaker 1: So that'll be up in the next ten minutes, so
Speaker 1: stay around for that if you want to move on
Speaker 1: to the theological stream that we're gonna have here in
Speaker 1: a little bit.
Speaker 3: Thank you, Jamie, appreciate that. And we'll have to stick.
Speaker 4: Around for part two. It's gonna be Kay Perry Lady
Speaker 4: gagas Taylor Swift the Super Bowl this year and in
Speaker 4: Disney's new satanic cartoon called The Owl House.
Speaker 3: Oh yes, I've heard of this, but I've not checked
Speaker 3: it out.
Speaker 1: So there's this bizarre, creepy Disney cartoon that is super
Speaker 1: esoteric in a negative way.
Speaker 3: So yeah.
Speaker 1: And by the way, I was talking about Jonathan Pagot earlier,
Speaker 1: and I will be doing a.
Speaker 3: Critique of Pegoe since he has a voubt.
Speaker 1: He has decided to do passive aggressive statements of making
Speaker 1: fun of conspiracies, laughing at conspiracies. Imagine in the in
Speaker 1: the era of jeff Stein Effrey laughing at conspiracies. Right,
Speaker 1: So I guess he wants to position himself as king
Speaker 1: of Normy's.
Speaker 3: Okay, dude, we'll see about that. We'll do a critique
Speaker 3: of his positions coming up.
Speaker 1: We're not in a hurry to do this. Maybe in
Speaker 1: the next few weeks, maybe a few months.
Speaker 3: We'll see.
Speaker 1: I got a lot of stuff I got to do,
Speaker 1: got a lot of books to get together, putting together
Speaker 1: two books.
Speaker 3: But anyway, thank you all.
Speaker 1: Come back for the Uniate Critique stream in the next
Speaker 1: ten fifteen minutes.
Speaker 3: I'll better have a good night.