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<v Speaker 1>I think.

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<v Speaker 2>I think the encream scream streams and son sat.

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to another episode of Jay's analysis. This time, my

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<v Speaker 1>wonderful fiance joins me.

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<v Speaker 3>Her name is Jamie Henshaw. Jamie, how are you? I'm great,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm doing good. I gotta find your picture? Where's your picture?

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<v Speaker 3>Stick you?

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<v Speaker 1>I have a little image of a furry I don't

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<v Speaker 1>think you want to be known as the furry on?

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<v Speaker 3>Do you want to be known as Stefan Malinu?

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<v Speaker 1>Now you're not Stephan, You're not Where's you?

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<v Speaker 3>You're not.

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<v Speaker 1>The Chinese black sorcerer from Big Trouble Little China.

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<v Speaker 3>That's not you.

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<v Speaker 1>We've got a weird collection of pictures here, so I'm

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<v Speaker 1>trying to find you.

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<v Speaker 3>Where'd you go? There? You are? Okay? There is our fiance, Jamie.

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<v Speaker 3>Everybody loves that picture of you.

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<v Speaker 1>You always get compliments on the haughty Jamie picture.

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<v Speaker 3>What do you think of that?

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<v Speaker 1>It's the same one in every episode.

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<v Speaker 4>With the hat.

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<v Speaker 1>That's sweet because you don't ever wear hats, so it's

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<v Speaker 1>it doesn't it's odd because you never wear hats.

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<v Speaker 4>But you bought it for me. That was a fun day.

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<v Speaker 3>I bought your love.

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<v Speaker 5>I put a lot of money into your pocket, and

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<v Speaker 5>then you liked me. It was a purely rational exchange.

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<v Speaker 5>How many bitcoins for your love? Sounds like some kind

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<v Speaker 5>of gay glee musical.

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<v Speaker 4>It's beautiful, yeah, isn't it?

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<v Speaker 3>Yes? All right, No, I did not buy Jamie.

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<v Speaker 1>Jamie freely in the free market of ideas, chose to

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<v Speaker 1>purchase her love from me.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, all right.

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<v Speaker 1>But speaking of the purchasing of love, the commodification of relation,

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<v Speaker 1>I just made that up.

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<v Speaker 3>Man, I'm on a roll tonight already.

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<v Speaker 1>We are going to be talking about Hollywood inversion, and

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<v Speaker 1>we've got some great examples. This is a familiar topic

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<v Speaker 1>here at Jays Analysis. You know, we've been covering movies

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<v Speaker 1>ever since the beginning of Jay's Analysis, tying in the philosophy,

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<v Speaker 1>tying in the worldview, tying in the analysis with expert

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<v Speaker 1>expert level analysis sizers like Jamie herself.

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<v Speaker 3>Now, you have two books. Only tell us about your

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<v Speaker 3>books real quick before we get going.

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<v Speaker 6>They're oldies, but goodies, weird stuff Part one and two

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<v Speaker 6>Operation Culture Creation and Hollywood Mind Control.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, and the Hollywood my control is a great one.

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<v Speaker 1>You can find that one at Jay's Analysis. If you go,

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<v Speaker 1>you'll see the Hollywood my control option in the bookshop there,

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<v Speaker 1>and then you can find mine as well. So we're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna be talking about a group of different things that

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<v Speaker 1>we watched. I watched a couple of things, You watched

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<v Speaker 1>a few things that I haven't seen, and we're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>colate that information. We're gonna be talking about the Hollywood

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<v Speaker 1>version narcissism magic mirror machine.

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<v Speaker 3>So basically, all of.

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<v Speaker 1>Hollywood is a magic narcissist mirror machine.

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<v Speaker 3>And we're gonna analyze it from that perspective.

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<v Speaker 1>Today we watched Natural Born Killers, which I hadn't seen

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<v Speaker 1>since the nineties, back in the high school days, right,

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<v Speaker 1>Quentin Tarantino meets Oliver Stone film, which was really interesting

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<v Speaker 1>to watch this time around. I caught a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>stuff that obviously I wouldn't have caught back when I

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<v Speaker 1>was an idiot teenager.

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<v Speaker 3>Now I'm an idiot adult, so I can catch more things.

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<v Speaker 1>And then you watched You Got Me to watch the

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<v Speaker 1>Cat Moms Catch the Cat Killer documentary about Luca Magnotta,

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<v Speaker 1>which was wild and crazy, and I was watching part

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<v Speaker 1>one watching part two.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a three part documentary on Netflix.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure a lot of you have seen it, and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sitting here thinking, how does this relate to Hollywood?

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<v Speaker 3>I don't get it?

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<v Speaker 1>And then in part three it all coalesces into how

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<v Speaker 1>it relates to Hollywood, and then ah, yes, now I

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<v Speaker 1>see why it relates to Hollywood because the bizarre character

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<v Speaker 1>of Luca is a perfect representation of what's in Natural

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<v Speaker 1>Born Killers, the perfect representation of what's in movies like

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<v Speaker 1>American Psycho and Basic Instinct. Not that I'm recommending Basic Instinct.

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<v Speaker 1>I've actually never seen Basic Instinct, so uh, I know

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<v Speaker 1>what it's about now that I watch this documentary. But anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>we're also gonna be talking about some documentaries that you

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<v Speaker 1>watched and collated.

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<v Speaker 3>Information on and did some research on.

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<v Speaker 1>Who was it Katy Perry, Missus Gaga, and who's the

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<v Speaker 1>other one?

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<v Speaker 3>Mile Miley or Taylor Taylor? Is Miley coming up in

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<v Speaker 3>this or not?

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<v Speaker 4>Maybe?

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<v Speaker 3>Maybe? Not really? All right? Can everybody hear her? Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>let's make sure that this sounds good. Does to sound

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<v Speaker 3>good on her? Let me make sure hear me.

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<v Speaker 1>The chat's always a little bit behind, so if you

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<v Speaker 1>would be sure that everybody can hear Jamie, well enough

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<v Speaker 1>before we get rolling, everybody says it's a decent movie.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, I'll have to check that out.

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<v Speaker 4>Which one based against him?

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<v Speaker 3>Is it? Well? Anyway? All right, so it looks like

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<v Speaker 3>everybody can hear you. Good, we're getting some thumbed up.

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<v Speaker 3>So all right, So where do you want to start

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<v Speaker 3>us off? What was the first thing that you researched?

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<v Speaker 6>Start with the cat documentary and then we'll talk about

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<v Speaker 6>Nashburn Killers and then.

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<v Speaker 4>We'll go from here.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the Cat documentary is fresh in my mind now.

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<v Speaker 1>When I started watching this, I didn't know what we

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<v Speaker 1>were talking about. And then I realized, oh, I remember

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<v Speaker 1>these news stories. What is paywalking? I don't know what

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<v Speaker 1>people are talking about. If you have a problem, then

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<v Speaker 1>go to some other, some other channel. Get that dude

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<v Speaker 1>out of here anyway. Uh, stop trying to muke a

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<v Speaker 1>loving store living, Brue.

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<v Speaker 3>Do you know everything should be free? Brue? Everything is

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<v Speaker 3>free anyway. So, so I didn't know this was about

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<v Speaker 3>that dude. So that dude was.

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<v Speaker 1>I remember the cannibal killer and they don't even mention

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<v Speaker 1>the cannibal part in the documentary.

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<v Speaker 3>Which is odd. Maybe that never came up in the

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<v Speaker 3>trial or something.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, but it was all in the news

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<v Speaker 1>at the time that he was the cannibal model male

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<v Speaker 1>model killer, so.

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<v Speaker 3>He's like.

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<v Speaker 1>He's he basically was trying to mimic himself after the

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<v Speaker 1>Christian Bale character in American Psycho and the I guess

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<v Speaker 1>the Sharon Steine character.

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<v Speaker 3>I haven't seen basic Instincts, so I don't know who

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<v Speaker 3>he was trying to mimic.

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<v Speaker 4>It's so crazy because this A lot of different things

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<v Speaker 4>stood out.

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<v Speaker 6>To me about this documentary before they even got into

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<v Speaker 6>the serial killer portion of it. Because the Internet loves

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<v Speaker 6>like you and I will never be famous as one

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<v Speaker 6>hundred cats.

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<v Speaker 1>We were watching a movie last night and the song

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<v Speaker 1>to that stupid movie was some millennial hipster you're going.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like kitties.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess it was called Starfish. I'm not sure if

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<v Speaker 1>I recommend this movie. It wasn't that great because it

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<v Speaker 1>was drama sci fi.

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<v Speaker 3>But I don't know what it was about.

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<v Speaker 1>It was about grief in the end of the world

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<v Speaker 1>and millennial cat songs.

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<v Speaker 6>So the what she said was the rule zero of

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<v Speaker 6>the Internet is don't f with cats.

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<v Speaker 1>Like yes, sorry, the documentary for everybody, Yes, if you

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<v Speaker 1>want to know that this documentary because people I'm sure

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<v Speaker 1>going to be wondering. Don't f with Cats is the documentary?

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<v Speaker 1>Three part documentary. It's interesting, it will keep you hooked

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<v Speaker 1>if you watch.

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<v Speaker 3>It, but it is about Luca, So anyway, go ahead.

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<v Speaker 4>So yeah, basically, it just starts off with these people

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<v Speaker 4>investigating this YouTube video.

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<v Speaker 6>That got uploaded with a guy putting cats into those

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<v Speaker 6>air tight bags and stucking the air out and killing

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<v Speaker 6>the cats two kittens, and it was called one Boy,

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<v Speaker 6>Two Kittens or something like that, and everyone just.

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<v Speaker 4>Freaked out, and I'm wondering, like, how is this stuff

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<v Speaker 4>even allowed to be on YouTube?

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<v Speaker 6>Like he at the later parts, he even went so

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<v Speaker 6>far as to post the entire murder on YouTube.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but again, like I was telling you, this was

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twelve, so back then it was a lot less

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<v Speaker 1>clamping down.

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<v Speaker 3>There was a lot of stuff that was more allowed.

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<v Speaker 1>Back then, Okay, before a lot of regulations and laws

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<v Speaker 6>He uploads this video and everybody starts going crazy like

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<v Speaker 6>we're gonna find you, We're gonna hunt him down, what

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<v Speaker 6>we do and threatening him, right, And he really liked

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<v Speaker 6>the movie Catch Me if you Can, so he was

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<v Speaker 6>leaving clues as to what he was doing and kind

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<v Speaker 6>of bragging about it because he was getting more and

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<v Speaker 6>more famous for killing cats, and that's exactly what he

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<v Speaker 6>set out to do, right, Like, this kid obviously wants

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<v Speaker 6>to be in the spotlight no matter what.

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<v Speaker 4>Right, So you're seeing.

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<v Speaker 6>The awakenings of his psyche, which is gonna turn psycho

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<v Speaker 6>because of the attention that he got.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, So it's like an addiction like anything else. Is

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<v Speaker 1>the point I think here is that the dopamine that's released.

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<v Speaker 1>And actually, again we saw the CEOs and the engineers

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<v Speaker 1>you know from the different social media's come.

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<v Speaker 3>Out recently and discussed this.

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<v Speaker 1>If you watched Aaron Melissa's videos over at True Stream

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<v Speaker 1>their videos where they chronicled, you know, the interviews of

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<v Speaker 1>these people talking about the scientifically precise way that you

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<v Speaker 1>could engineer people's dopamine too, where they're addicted to the

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<v Speaker 1>social media attention. And so these cat moms and these

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<v Speaker 1>people had basically set up this Facebook group to try

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<v Speaker 1>to solve who the guy was that was killing the

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<v Speaker 1>cats and these these uploaded videos, and the guy actually

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<v Speaker 1>joined the group and they figured out that it was him,

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<v Speaker 1>but they let him sort of lurk around so that

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<v Speaker 1>they could watch his soft puppet, you know, fake profile,

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<v Speaker 1>and it just he was so addicted to the attention

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<v Speaker 1>and to the idea that he was like, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>playing this stupid serial killer game out smarting everybody. That

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<v Speaker 1>led to, ultimately, as we'll see, to his downfall.

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<v Speaker 3>So so yeah.

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<v Speaker 6>It's crazy because when he realized he was being watched,

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<v Speaker 6>he threw them more videos, Like he made one where

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<v Speaker 6>he was drowning a cat, and then he made one

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<v Speaker 6>where he.

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<v Speaker 4>Was feeding it to a snake.

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<v Speaker 6>So he was getting off on and like uploading these

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<v Speaker 6>videos and having the people not figure out who he

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<v Speaker 6>is or where they're coming from.

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<v Speaker 4>So this just spurred him on to like go further

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<v Speaker 4>with it.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and then.

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<v Speaker 6>One guy they thought they had found a guy that

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<v Speaker 6>did it, some guy named jam Zy or something like that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they found a guy in South Africa or somewhere,

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<v Speaker 1>and it was just a yeah because he used a

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<v Speaker 6>So there's another victim of this whole sordid tale. Was

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<v Speaker 1>Really uh blunder move there. Like just people we see

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<v Speaker 3>And really, you know, mess people up. That's the whole point.

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<v Speaker 1>You know why people docks people and all that kind

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<v Speaker 3>So yeah, this was a huge mistake early on.

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<v Speaker 1>I think shows the danger in the idea of uh guilt,

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<v Speaker 3>Via social media. I mean, this is what we've seen

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<v Speaker 3>for a long time and so we just live in this.

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<v Speaker 3>The whole world is upside down. It's just this crazy

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<v Speaker 1>By the way, we've been talking about inversion for seven

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<v Speaker 1>six years on Jay's analysis. Other YouTubers that are now

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<v Speaker 1>To go back to the old interviews that I did

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<v Speaker 3>We were talking about the inversion. So we're getting these

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<v Speaker 1>Has been using our terminal terminology for years and making

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<v Speaker 3>You can all figure out who I'm talking about.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll be doing a critique of him eventually down the road,

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<v Speaker 1>but we had bigger issues to get to, namely the

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<v Speaker 3>But anyway, go ahead.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 6>What was interesting is they never actually discovered who he

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<v Speaker 6>was because someone emailed them and said, the guy you're

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<v Speaker 6>looking for is Luca Mgnata. So they were searching, searching, searching,

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<v Speaker 6>and then the Facebook group got so big and they

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<v Speaker 6>hit all these dead ends and then finally like, I

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<v Speaker 6>know not and as person says, it's Luca Bagnanas.

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<v Speaker 4>So that's a weird.

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<v Speaker 3>Clue.

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<v Speaker 4>In the case like who who rated them out? They

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<v Speaker 4>never followed that.

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<v Speaker 3>But go back to not talking to you. It's people

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<v Speaker 3>in the chat. Go back to.

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<v Speaker 1>The interviews that I did and the articles that I

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<v Speaker 1>did with Mark Hackard from five or six years ago.

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<v Speaker 1>I said, we've talked about inversion for years. We talked

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<v Speaker 1>about inversion and old interviews with Jamie because it's the

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<v Speaker 1>inversion of what's good. Evil inverts and turns things on

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<v Speaker 1>their head. Anybody who's followed Jason Analysis for a long

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<v Speaker 1>time knows we've talked about this for years. And mister

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<v Speaker 1>so and so is just grifting and using our terminology, our.

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<v Speaker 3>Ideas or who shows who never listens to you? All right?

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<v Speaker 1>Really is that right? How do you know that I

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<v Speaker 1>talk about conspiracy stuff? You never listened to me. By

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<v Speaker 1>the way, anyway, go ahead.

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<v Speaker 6>I think that's a pretty common magical axiom, like if

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<v Speaker 6>you want to make some eel you just very good thing.

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<v Speaker 3>It's not that it's pretty Yeah, it is pretty well known.

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<v Speaker 1>But in the sphere of applying it to geopolitics, Mark

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<v Speaker 1>hacker and I were doing interviews talking about that five

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<v Speaker 6>M anyway, So go ahead, back to if Zoolander was

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<v Speaker 6>a serial killer, because that's how this guy acts, right.

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<v Speaker 3>So they find it and they find he's always doing

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah yeah, And he turns out he was a esport,

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<v Speaker 6>male escort and male model in Canada, and.

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<v Speaker 4>He's got all of these so called fan sites.

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<v Speaker 6>But people are thinking that he just made all of

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<v Speaker 6>these up because there's not very many people in the

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<v Speaker 6>group and there's so many fan sites, Like why would

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<v Speaker 6>there be forty fan sites with ten people in them

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<v Speaker 6>a piece for this one model, right, So obviously he had.

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<v Speaker 3>Created fifty profiles. It was crazy uploading all of these selfies.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like, by the.

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<v Speaker 4>Way, selfies like not even like he was there, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>him in front of you.

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<v Speaker 3>He would photoshop his face onto other people's selfies. Really weird.

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<v Speaker 6>Yes, yeah, So then they track him down, find out

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<v Speaker 6>he's in Canada in like Toronto and Montreal in these areas,

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<v Speaker 6>and they find one picture of him and he's standing

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<v Speaker 6>in front of McGill University, remember that in Montreal.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, and McGill University.

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<v Speaker 1>Again, I'm not saying there's a direct connection between mind

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<v Speaker 1>control and this guy. We don't have any direct evidence

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<v Speaker 1>of that. But McGill is interesting because it is the

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<v Speaker 1>mk ulture project. That's also the alma mater of Big

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<v Speaker 1>New Brazinski himself.

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<v Speaker 4>Mm hmm.

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<v Speaker 6>So about the same time the cat killers, I mean,

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<v Speaker 6>the cat detectives are trying to find this cat killer

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<v Speaker 6>in Montreal, a murder happens, and so they think that

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<v Speaker 6>they they're really close to catching the guy who's called cats,

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<v Speaker 6>but they don't know that he's also just now graduated

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<v Speaker 6>onto his first victim.

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<v Speaker 4>A Chinese guy.

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<v Speaker 3>Right.

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<v Speaker 1>And then also again I don't really know why they

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<v Speaker 1>didn't talk about the cannibalism aspect of it, because this

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe the media just made that up or something. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know, But I mean, the story itself was just

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<v Speaker 1>so crazy that the media didn't really have to make

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<v Speaker 3>It was so crazy.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, so they ended up tracking him down, they

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<v Speaker 1>found his information. How was it they eventually caught it

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<v Speaker 1>because he was using the internet cafes, right.

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<v Speaker 6>Well, they're simultaneously investigating this murder and then the cat

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<v Speaker 6>detective people are sending them information like this guy he's

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<v Speaker 6>been killing cats, you might want to.

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<v Speaker 4>Look into him. Whatever.

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<v Speaker 6>And then once they found it was weird because they

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<v Speaker 6>found a torso in a suitcase, and they found in

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<v Speaker 6>the dumpster nearby, like all of this bloody evidence and

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<v Speaker 6>a dead dog and Luca's identification with the Chinese victims.

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<v Speaker 6>So I'm like, who put that stuff in there? That

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<v Speaker 6>makes absolutely no sense. So first they're thinking Luca is

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<v Speaker 6>the victim because they didn't find a head or hands

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<v Speaker 6>or feet.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, right right, I mean it's kind of crazy, like

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<v Speaker 1>why would you do that?

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<v Speaker 3>It devised logic.

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<v Speaker 1>But I think in the case of a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>these people, it almost seems like this guy wasn't associative.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I don't think he actually really was, but

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<v Speaker 3>A fantasy in his head.

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<v Speaker 1>And I've met a few people I had contact with,

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<v Speaker 1>people who, for example, grew up on movies. They had

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<v Speaker 1>the missing father, which was apparently I think the case

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<v Speaker 1>with Luca.

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<v Speaker 3>They lived their life through.

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<v Speaker 1>The mirror image of Hollywood and the Hollywood stories.

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<v Speaker 3>And so what happens is that the archetypes.

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<v Speaker 1>Of Hollywood and the way Hollywood presents those archetypes gets

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<v Speaker 1>impressed upon your mind and they kind of become a

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<v Speaker 1>replacement father figure. They teach you how to be a man,

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<v Speaker 1>how to operate in the world, what to do, and

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<v Speaker 1>in his case, he's a perfect example of the Hollywood

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<v Speaker 1>reflection of the attempt to be, on the one hand,

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<v Speaker 1>a mastermind director, where you're like, you have a god

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<v Speaker 1>complex that you're directing, you know, your own life. You're

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<v Speaker 1>like the director of your own life, and you're some

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<v Speaker 3>And then you're also the.

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<v Speaker 1>Star of your own story because you are the centerpiece

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<v Speaker 1>of the universe, and you know you're telling the story.

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<v Speaker 1>You're creating the story on the Internet, and it's now

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<v Speaker 1>international news and everybody's searching for you. And you're layering

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<v Speaker 1>it with these references to movies like American Psycho and

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<v Speaker 1>Basic Instant, and it's just a bizarre twist of living

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<v Speaker 1>out this alternate reality in your mind that doesn't match

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<v Speaker 1>up actually to the to the to the external.

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<v Speaker 3>World, but in the in the realm of Hollywood.

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<v Speaker 1>One of the key things that Hollywood impresses upon people

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<v Speaker 1>is the notion that you actually can live out this

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<v Speaker 1>this fantasy world. Right, the fantasy world replaces the real world. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean Hollywood's not as important as it used to be.

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<v Speaker 1>Right now, it's all switching over into streaming and video games.

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<v Speaker 1>But you know, this guy grew up in the nineties,

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<v Speaker 1>I guess, so he would be, you know, growing up

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<v Speaker 1>watching movies like American Psycho, which I mean, when you're

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<v Speaker 1>a kid, you don't really grasp satire or satire doesn't really

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<v Speaker 1>make sense to you when you're a teenager. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>you don't get satire until you're older, just like Natural

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<v Speaker 1>More Killers as well.

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<v Speaker 3>Notice it's it's satire.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't really get satire when I was, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>fifteen or whatever when this movie came out, and so

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<v Speaker 1>it can have a put an nihil stick effect on

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<v Speaker 6>This is interesting because I just realized the common theme

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<v Speaker 6>through all of these documentaries and cases that we're going

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<v Speaker 6>to look at is that fame is more important than freedom, Like.

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<v Speaker 4>Fame is.

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<v Speaker 6>Well for Luca, you know, he was willing to take

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<v Speaker 6>that risk to do commit these crimes and things because

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<v Speaker 6>he wanted more attention m HM, and he wanted to

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<v Speaker 6>be famous at all costs.

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<v Speaker 4>And then that's a common theme that I found.

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<v Speaker 1>So he was willing to risk you know, basically spending

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<v Speaker 1>be famous like that.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, okay, yeah, I see.

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<v Speaker 6>And then well, some of the movies that they highlighted

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<v Speaker 6>in this that he was into was Scarface, Casablanca.

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<v Speaker 4>He had a Castablanca poster hanging up.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>He was obsessed with old Hollywood, so Bogart and Marlena

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<v Speaker 1>Dietrich and.

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<v Speaker 4>These characters, and he was directing his own murder movie.

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<v Speaker 3>That's what I'm saying. That's what I was saying.

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<v Speaker 4>Yea, So he put that poster up. Catch movie can

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<v Speaker 4>We talked about that and basic Instincts. So all kind of.

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<v Speaker 6>Intense movies with lots of killing and intrigue and twists.

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<v Speaker 6>So then they started mailing body parts to Prime Minister,

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<v Speaker 6>to government officials, to schools.

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<v Speaker 4>I think some feet went somewhere.

434
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<v Speaker 3>And this reminds me.

435
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<v Speaker 1>Of the story in the Book of Judges where the

436
00:26:42.480 --> 00:26:44.680
<v Speaker 1>there's a how who gets cut up at the end

437
00:26:44.720 --> 00:26:47.359
<v Speaker 1>of the Book of Judges and her parts get mailed

438
00:26:47.480 --> 00:26:51.759
<v Speaker 1>to different people. So I wonder if he wasn't referenced,

439
00:26:51.839 --> 00:26:53.799
<v Speaker 1>nobody would have caught that, you know, unless you're familiar

440
00:26:53.839 --> 00:26:55.319
<v Speaker 1>with the Book of Judges. I don't know if he

441
00:26:55.400 --> 00:26:58.039
<v Speaker 1>intentionally meant that. I think some people in the articles.

442
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<v Speaker 1>There's a actually a article in the UK Mirror, which

443
00:27:01.920 --> 00:27:05.319
<v Speaker 1>is tabloid, but sometimes tabloids actually have some some valid information.

444
00:27:05.400 --> 00:27:07.599
<v Speaker 1>I don't mean Batboy in weekly World News, but I

445
00:27:07.640 --> 00:27:11.640
<v Speaker 1>mean I'm seriously, I mean tabloids like the Mirror.

446
00:27:11.720 --> 00:27:14.200
<v Speaker 3>They will actually break stories that nobody else will.

447
00:27:14.720 --> 00:27:19.279
<v Speaker 1>And there's actually an interesting history of different intelligence agencies

448
00:27:19.319 --> 00:27:20.400
<v Speaker 1>related to tabloids.

449
00:27:20.440 --> 00:27:22.440
<v Speaker 3>I'm not saying everybody at tabloid is a spy. I'm

450
00:27:22.480 --> 00:27:23.079
<v Speaker 3>not saying that at all.

451
00:27:23.119 --> 00:27:25.400
<v Speaker 1>But if you're interested in more on that, you can

452
00:27:25.400 --> 00:27:27.519
<v Speaker 1>go listen to the old, fascinating interview.

453
00:27:27.279 --> 00:27:29.799
<v Speaker 3>That I did with one of the.

454
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<v Speaker 1>Premiere famous paparazzo's, Charles. Look for that in the Jays

455
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<v Speaker 1>Analysis archive bank Charles Piecraft not a real name, by

456
00:27:39.279 --> 00:27:42.559
<v Speaker 1>the way, obviously, go listen to that interesting interview. He

457
00:27:42.640 --> 00:27:45.400
<v Speaker 1>has some wild stories from ten years of being a

458
00:27:45.400 --> 00:27:47.640
<v Speaker 1>paparazzi and.

459
00:27:47.319 --> 00:27:52.359
<v Speaker 3>He can tell you about the history of that relationship.

460
00:27:52.400 --> 00:27:55.039
<v Speaker 1>But The Mirror had an interesting article talking about the

461
00:27:55.079 --> 00:27:59.200
<v Speaker 1>different movies that had clearly influenced him, and it should

462
00:27:59.200 --> 00:28:01.039
<v Speaker 1>have been obvious. But I don't actually like the movie

463
00:28:01.119 --> 00:28:03.799
<v Speaker 1>seven very much kind of gross. But yeah, mailing the

464
00:28:03.799 --> 00:28:05.039
<v Speaker 1>body of parts that's from seven.

465
00:28:06.240 --> 00:28:09.759
<v Speaker 4>Oh yeah, you're right, You're totally right.

466
00:28:10.279 --> 00:28:14.519
<v Speaker 1>So the hollywoodization principle of the serial killer, which is

467
00:28:14.519 --> 00:28:16.759
<v Speaker 1>we've covered many many times. We've covered that in the

468
00:28:16.759 --> 00:28:19.839
<v Speaker 1>old day. McGowan analyses that we did the program to

469
00:28:19.920 --> 00:28:23.799
<v Speaker 1>kill right other I just recently did the video on

470
00:28:26.119 --> 00:28:28.640
<v Speaker 1>Signs of the Lambs. Go watch that video where we

471
00:28:28.680 --> 00:28:32.240
<v Speaker 1>talk about the hollywoodization of the serial killer as a star.

472
00:28:32.720 --> 00:28:35.759
<v Speaker 1>This goes back to Manson and perhaps earlier you could argue,

473
00:28:35.799 --> 00:28:38.160
<v Speaker 1>but that's really what National Warren Killers is about.

474
00:28:38.200 --> 00:28:39.200
<v Speaker 3>Who's the real villain here?

475
00:28:39.359 --> 00:28:39.519
<v Speaker 7>Right?

476
00:28:39.599 --> 00:28:41.079
<v Speaker 3>Is it the media?

477
00:28:41.839 --> 00:28:44.680
<v Speaker 4>Or that was the moral of the story at the

478
00:28:44.759 --> 00:28:48.440
<v Speaker 4>very end of the caj documentary. So it was crazy

479
00:28:48.480 --> 00:28:49.720
<v Speaker 4>because after he did.

480
00:28:49.599 --> 00:28:55.079
<v Speaker 6>The murder, he went to Paris and then he went

481
00:28:55.160 --> 00:29:04.640
<v Speaker 6>to Berlin, and by now the forties are after him, right,

482
00:29:05.960 --> 00:29:09.279
<v Speaker 6>and he goes to Berlin, he goes to internet cafe

483
00:29:09.400 --> 00:29:12.440
<v Speaker 6>and well, the documentary says that they caught him.

484
00:29:12.279 --> 00:29:15.240
<v Speaker 4>Because he was looking at himself online.

485
00:29:15.920 --> 00:29:18.599
<v Speaker 1>And I still don't understand how that how he got

486
00:29:18.599 --> 00:29:21.880
<v Speaker 1>caught doing that though, like because his.

487
00:29:21.920 --> 00:29:25.119
<v Speaker 6>Name, his face was plastered like most wanted, you know,

488
00:29:25.200 --> 00:29:26.960
<v Speaker 6>if you see this person. And then the guy that

489
00:29:27.079 --> 00:29:29.000
<v Speaker 6>ran the internet cafe was like, hey, that looks like

490
00:29:29.039 --> 00:29:29.480
<v Speaker 6>that dude.

491
00:29:30.039 --> 00:29:33.160
<v Speaker 3>The Internet cafe guy said that he looks like that guy.

492
00:29:33.240 --> 00:29:35.960
<v Speaker 6>Okay, I the dude that looks like the most wanted

493
00:29:36.000 --> 00:29:38.279
<v Speaker 6>guy is looking at the most Wanted Guy's website, like

494
00:29:38.319 --> 00:29:40.599
<v Speaker 6>looking at pictures of himself, And so that's how he

495
00:29:40.640 --> 00:29:41.119
<v Speaker 6>caught him.

496
00:29:41.720 --> 00:29:44.319
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so every time you google yourself, you're basically on

497
00:29:44.359 --> 00:29:45.400
<v Speaker 1>the verge of getting docks.

498
00:29:47.079 --> 00:29:49.279
<v Speaker 3>But yeah, so his vanity was his downfall. That's the

499
00:29:49.359 --> 00:29:50.160
<v Speaker 3>interesting thing here.

500
00:29:51.039 --> 00:29:57.440
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and then I watched another YouTube video about him.

501
00:29:57.960 --> 00:29:59.279
<v Speaker 4>Oh that was the thing.

502
00:29:59.559 --> 00:30:03.960
<v Speaker 6>Like, so they took him back into interrogation when they

503
00:30:04.000 --> 00:30:08.440
<v Speaker 6>caught him, right, and they stick him in the room

504
00:30:08.480 --> 00:30:11.039
<v Speaker 6>and they film him and they're trying to get details,

505
00:30:11.039 --> 00:30:12.960
<v Speaker 6>and he's trying to pin it on this guy named.

506
00:30:12.839 --> 00:30:18.599
<v Speaker 4>Manny, like this mysterious guy named Manny.

507
00:30:18.680 --> 00:30:22.880
<v Speaker 3>Who he was? He was making me?

508
00:30:24.240 --> 00:30:28.599
<v Speaker 4>Yes, exactly who made me do it? Can you do Luca?

509
00:30:29.240 --> 00:30:32.920
<v Speaker 3>No, I'd have to hear him again. I I'd have

510
00:30:32.920 --> 00:30:34.200
<v Speaker 3>to hear him again to do his voice.

511
00:30:34.240 --> 00:30:36.799
<v Speaker 1>But I was just thinking of who Manny would be

512
00:30:37.480 --> 00:30:39.480
<v Speaker 1>many many Lopez or something like that.

513
00:30:39.559 --> 00:30:42.400
<v Speaker 4>Luca's voice was interesting and funny.

514
00:30:42.559 --> 00:30:44.960
<v Speaker 1>He is Zoolander. He's like if Zoolander was a real

515
00:30:45.039 --> 00:30:51.960
<v Speaker 1>guy and was a cannibal. Yes, so yeah, this part

516
00:30:52.000 --> 00:30:54.200
<v Speaker 1>was interesting and I didn't even catch because I've not

517
00:30:54.279 --> 00:30:55.319
<v Speaker 1>seen Basic Instinct.

518
00:30:55.319 --> 00:30:56.599
<v Speaker 3>Gotta know what the story was.

519
00:30:56.640 --> 00:30:58.920
<v Speaker 1>But the whole thing of him asking for the cigarette

520
00:30:59.000 --> 00:31:00.799
<v Speaker 1>and he's.

521
00:31:00.680 --> 00:31:05.319
<v Speaker 7>Doing the scene of Sharon Stone, yes by all the

522
00:31:05.359 --> 00:31:07.759
<v Speaker 7>way down to like crossing and crossing his legs and

523
00:31:07.799 --> 00:31:10.279
<v Speaker 7>asking for a cigarette, and so he was just living

524
00:31:10.440 --> 00:31:12.039
<v Speaker 7>his own little movie inside his.

525
00:31:12.039 --> 00:31:17.599
<v Speaker 3>Head, right, yeah, so what do we get from this? Alliant?

526
00:31:17.720 --> 00:31:20.799
<v Speaker 1>And don't forget his lawyer. He chose the lawyer on

527
00:31:20.839 --> 00:31:23.880
<v Speaker 1>the basis of the lawyer looking like Michael Douglass.

528
00:31:24.039 --> 00:31:26.559
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, I chose you because lawyer.

529
00:31:26.880 --> 00:31:29.200
<v Speaker 1>Like so he's in other words, he's casting people. He's

530
00:31:29.279 --> 00:31:33.680
<v Speaker 1>choosing he's casting people in his movie. He's like, you're

531
00:31:33.680 --> 00:31:34.880
<v Speaker 1>the lawyer I want because you.

532
00:31:34.839 --> 00:31:36.960
<v Speaker 4>Look like Michael Douglass exactly.

533
00:31:37.079 --> 00:31:39.720
<v Speaker 1>It's like I'm playing the role of Christian Bale as

534
00:31:40.359 --> 00:31:43.359
<v Speaker 1>you know, Sharon Stone and basic Instinct from American Psycho.

535
00:31:44.400 --> 00:31:46.400
<v Speaker 4>And he's like, Manny made me do it.

536
00:31:46.480 --> 00:31:50.279
<v Speaker 6>So they all the cat detectives go and watch Basic

537
00:31:50.359 --> 00:31:55.960
<v Speaker 6>Instinct because he's acting like that, right, and in the movie,

538
00:31:56.359 --> 00:31:58.119
<v Speaker 6>And that's how they figured out he's a character in

539
00:31:58.160 --> 00:31:58.920
<v Speaker 6>the movie.

540
00:31:59.720 --> 00:32:01.160
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, that he just made up.

541
00:32:01.759 --> 00:32:03.160
<v Speaker 3>Since I've not seen it, I don't know.

542
00:32:03.400 --> 00:32:06.359
<v Speaker 1>Is Manny in the movie a fake character that Sharon

543
00:32:06.400 --> 00:32:07.160
<v Speaker 1>Stone has made up?

544
00:32:07.240 --> 00:32:10.640
<v Speaker 4>I think Manny is who Sharon Stone killed for being

545
00:32:10.680 --> 00:32:17.000
<v Speaker 4>abusive person or something O the boyfriend, So like abusive

546
00:32:17.039 --> 00:32:18.799
<v Speaker 4>ex husband or somebody.

547
00:32:18.559 --> 00:32:22.000
<v Speaker 3>In the chapel know who Manny is in the story, they.

548
00:32:21.920 --> 00:32:26.039
<v Speaker 4>Can tell me. But so it had me going because, Okay,

549
00:32:26.039 --> 00:32:32.279
<v Speaker 4>here's this kid. He looks like very slender and gentle

550
00:32:32.960 --> 00:32:36.839
<v Speaker 4>and you know, obviously gay, but like not like violent looking.

551
00:32:36.920 --> 00:32:37.960
<v Speaker 4>He looks really chill.

552
00:32:38.799 --> 00:32:43.880
<v Speaker 6>He talks goofy. But you know, it made you wonder

553
00:32:43.960 --> 00:32:46.920
<v Speaker 6>like did he just get caught up in the sleazy

554
00:32:46.920 --> 00:32:50.559
<v Speaker 6>world of escorts and politicians and high powered you know,

555
00:32:50.720 --> 00:32:53.440
<v Speaker 6>snuff filmmakers or did.

556
00:32:53.319 --> 00:32:55.440
<v Speaker 4>He direct this all on his own?

557
00:32:55.640 --> 00:32:58.119
<v Speaker 1>And that's what I still he claims that, right, he

558
00:32:58.200 --> 00:33:01.319
<v Speaker 1>claimed that he was uh thrown into this world of

559
00:33:01.519 --> 00:33:06.599
<v Speaker 1>escorts and eight millimeter type movies.

560
00:33:06.680 --> 00:33:08.559
<v Speaker 3>If you've seen the Nick Cage typ movies, right, we

561
00:33:08.559 --> 00:33:12.759
<v Speaker 3>don't want to say, those kinds of movies on YouTube.

562
00:33:12.079 --> 00:33:16.680
<v Speaker 1>So eight millimeters top Nick Cage movies. And then it

563
00:33:16.720 --> 00:33:20.279
<v Speaker 1>turns out that it appears that this is all made up.

564
00:33:20.720 --> 00:33:22.759
<v Speaker 1>There are, i will say, a couple of scenes where

565
00:33:22.799 --> 00:33:25.279
<v Speaker 1>you almost believe that maybe it's true, because there's a

566
00:33:25.279 --> 00:33:28.400
<v Speaker 1>scene where he comes out of an apartment building after

567
00:33:28.440 --> 00:33:29.519
<v Speaker 1>he had committed.

568
00:33:29.119 --> 00:33:32.720
<v Speaker 3>The murder and he appears to have a tape.

569
00:33:32.480 --> 00:33:35.759
<v Speaker 1>Or something and then they say, you know that he's

570
00:33:35.759 --> 00:33:38.559
<v Speaker 1>going to have to take this tape to his handler

571
00:33:38.640 --> 00:33:42.400
<v Speaker 1>or whatever, and so it almost seems plausible. But then

572
00:33:42.920 --> 00:33:46.720
<v Speaker 1>apparently nobody could turn up any evidence of this manny character.

573
00:33:46.799 --> 00:33:48.680
<v Speaker 1>So the mom of course throughout the whole thing is

574
00:33:48.759 --> 00:33:49.720
<v Speaker 1>kind of backing him up.

575
00:33:49.759 --> 00:33:52.160
<v Speaker 3>But so that was interesting.

576
00:33:52.839 --> 00:33:55.880
<v Speaker 1>Let's move to natural born Killers because we are going

577
00:33:55.960 --> 00:33:59.759
<v Speaker 1>to have a separate analysis after this. This is a

578
00:33:59.799 --> 00:34:01.240
<v Speaker 1>part one, So if you guys want to hear the

579
00:34:01.279 --> 00:34:04.200
<v Speaker 1>part two of what are we gonna cover, We're gonna

580
00:34:04.200 --> 00:34:06.519
<v Speaker 1>cover Katy Perry in her background.

581
00:34:06.559 --> 00:34:08.679
<v Speaker 3>We're gonna cover her the background of.

582
00:34:08.639 --> 00:34:10.400
<v Speaker 1>And this is interesting, right, so you think, well, who

583
00:34:10.400 --> 00:34:12.800
<v Speaker 1>cares about these pop stars? Well, there's actually an interesting

584
00:34:12.880 --> 00:34:15.320
<v Speaker 1>history behind a lot of these pop stars and a

585
00:34:15.360 --> 00:34:19.079
<v Speaker 1>lot of money and powerful interests that go into making

586
00:34:19.280 --> 00:34:22.760
<v Speaker 1>these pop stars into the products that they are, and

587
00:34:22.760 --> 00:34:25.000
<v Speaker 1>many of them have breakdowns, and so we're gonna cover

588
00:34:25.079 --> 00:34:26.239
<v Speaker 1>some of that kind of stuff because I think a

589
00:34:26.280 --> 00:34:27.599
<v Speaker 1>lot of people don't know about this.

590
00:34:28.400 --> 00:34:29.280
<v Speaker 3>That'll be in part two.

591
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<v Speaker 1>We're gonna have a separate stream after this that's gonna

592
00:34:31.960 --> 00:34:35.519
<v Speaker 1>be planned. It's the UNI eight stream. I'm I have

593
00:34:35.519 --> 00:34:39.440
<v Speaker 1>to move out till about five fifteen, five twenty and

594
00:34:39.599 --> 00:34:42.800
<v Speaker 1>some another say thirty forty minutes for that stream. But

595
00:34:44.920 --> 00:34:49.440
<v Speaker 1>let's move on now to the topic of Natural Born Killers.

596
00:34:50.119 --> 00:34:52.480
<v Speaker 1>I did a lot of notes on this. I might

597
00:34:52.519 --> 00:34:54.920
<v Speaker 1>do a different video just on Natural More Killers. But

598
00:34:55.480 --> 00:34:59.280
<v Speaker 1>going back and watching Natural More Killers, it's from ninety four,

599
00:34:59.559 --> 00:35:01.880
<v Speaker 1>it's just like, Man, this.

600
00:35:01.880 --> 00:35:03.159
<v Speaker 3>Movie nailed it.

601
00:35:03.159 --> 00:35:06.880
<v Speaker 1>It nailed everything about where we are, everything about the

602
00:35:07.800 --> 00:35:11.400
<v Speaker 1>idealization of the serial killer, everything about the narcissism, reflection,

603
00:35:12.639 --> 00:35:15.760
<v Speaker 1>symbiotic relationship of the media, and now how the Internet

604
00:35:15.719 --> 00:35:17.760
<v Speaker 1>and social media has kind of taken on that role

605
00:35:18.719 --> 00:35:20.280
<v Speaker 1>the critique of mass culture.

606
00:35:21.320 --> 00:35:23.239
<v Speaker 3>There is a bit of revelation that there's a bit

607
00:35:23.280 --> 00:35:26.039
<v Speaker 3>of revelation of the method involved in this. What we're

608
00:35:26.079 --> 00:35:29.199
<v Speaker 3>gonna say, child abuse.

609
00:35:30.519 --> 00:35:32.760
<v Speaker 1>Yes, that's right, because the Julie I didn't remember this.

610
00:35:33.000 --> 00:35:37.039
<v Speaker 1>The Juliet Lewis character is has an abusive relationship with

611
00:35:38.679 --> 00:35:43.480
<v Speaker 1>Ronnie Dangerfield, right at all, I tell you she's abused

612
00:35:43.480 --> 00:35:47.159
<v Speaker 1>by her dad. Ronney Dangerfield looks nothing like Lewis. I

613
00:35:47.159 --> 00:35:50.039
<v Speaker 1>don't know how that was her dad, but so let's

614
00:35:50.039 --> 00:35:53.039
<v Speaker 1>talk about that. So we see at the beginning of

615
00:35:53.079 --> 00:35:55.159
<v Speaker 1>the film there's a desert, there's.

616
00:35:54.960 --> 00:35:56.119
<v Speaker 3>Wolves, and there's snakes.

617
00:35:56.199 --> 00:36:01.400
<v Speaker 1>Right, So the text mex Desert Demon demons in the

618
00:36:01.400 --> 00:36:05.159
<v Speaker 1>wilderness America is a haunted desert.

619
00:36:04.960 --> 00:36:07.159
<v Speaker 3>Almost This is a theme that comes up in a

620
00:36:07.159 --> 00:36:07.800
<v Speaker 3>lot of movies.

621
00:36:08.159 --> 00:36:12.639
<v Speaker 1>And we see a TV screen of channel Channel Channel

622
00:36:12.719 --> 00:36:13.679
<v Speaker 1>Channel Channel.

623
00:36:13.440 --> 00:36:16.400
<v Speaker 3>TV show TV show, TV show TV show. Right, this

624
00:36:16.440 --> 00:36:18.639
<v Speaker 3>is going to tie perfectly with Luca. Luca is the

625
00:36:18.639 --> 00:36:22.480
<v Speaker 3>perfect example of Mickey and Mallory.

626
00:36:23.159 --> 00:36:24.079
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I know.

627
00:36:25.440 --> 00:36:29.280
<v Speaker 6>And he was even trying to tie himself with other

628
00:36:29.960 --> 00:36:34.519
<v Speaker 6>serial killers. Like someone started a rumor that he was

629
00:36:34.599 --> 00:36:37.679
<v Speaker 6>dating another serial killer lady the.

630
00:36:37.679 --> 00:36:38.800
<v Speaker 3>Other serial calls.

631
00:36:39.159 --> 00:36:41.199
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, they were a couple serial killers.

632
00:36:41.760 --> 00:36:44.880
<v Speaker 1>So there's this Canadian couple, uh that Barbie and Kin.

633
00:36:45.000 --> 00:36:47.679
<v Speaker 1>They're called the barbian Ken doll Killers. They don't look

634
00:36:47.800 --> 00:36:49.480
<v Speaker 1>like Barbie or Kin. I don't know why they got

635
00:36:49.519 --> 00:36:52.840
<v Speaker 1>that appellation. They're quite mediocre.

636
00:36:52.360 --> 00:36:54.920
<v Speaker 3>Looking in terms of their their looks.

637
00:36:55.000 --> 00:36:56.599
<v Speaker 4>It's like they're Canadian.

638
00:36:56.880 --> 00:37:01.000
<v Speaker 3>Okay, So the Canadian level of hatty is different from Audie. Okay,

639
00:37:01.360 --> 00:37:01.840
<v Speaker 3>So no.

640
00:37:01.800 --> 00:37:04.519
<v Speaker 1>Offense all you leafs, because the leafs are going to

641
00:37:04.559 --> 00:37:06.519
<v Speaker 1>be mad now and unsubscribing. By the way, you can

642
00:37:06.559 --> 00:37:09.440
<v Speaker 1>support us through super chats if you want to ask us,

643
00:37:10.039 --> 00:37:12.559
<v Speaker 1>uh serial killer experts.

644
00:37:12.159 --> 00:37:15.760
<v Speaker 3>Here on Jason elf any super chat questions.

645
00:37:15.760 --> 00:37:19.559
<v Speaker 1>But so yeah, if we go back to the way,

646
00:37:19.840 --> 00:37:23.840
<v Speaker 1>so the National Killers presents us immediately with the attempt

647
00:37:23.880 --> 00:37:26.320
<v Speaker 1>to see the world through the reflection of a of

648
00:37:26.360 --> 00:37:29.280
<v Speaker 1>a movie screen, of a TV screen. H And again,

649
00:37:29.320 --> 00:37:34.639
<v Speaker 1>even though the movie is about TV and TV is

650
00:37:34.679 --> 00:37:37.440
<v Speaker 1>not as big as it was in the nineties, it's

651
00:37:37.519 --> 00:37:41.280
<v Speaker 1>applicable perfectly now to social media. I mean, Luca Magnata

652
00:37:41.480 --> 00:37:45.159
<v Speaker 1>is the again the emblem of all of that TV

653
00:37:45.320 --> 00:37:48.480
<v Speaker 1>stuff and nineties movies and so forth as applied to

654
00:37:48.559 --> 00:37:53.159
<v Speaker 1>social media. Again, the perfect example of what the right

655
00:37:53.239 --> 00:37:55.840
<v Speaker 1>ear and the different people from from Facebook and those

656
00:37:55.880 --> 00:38:00.679
<v Speaker 1>those different engineers said was designed. Social media is designed

657
00:38:00.679 --> 00:38:04.760
<v Speaker 1>to do and design to create. So they see Serial

658
00:38:04.840 --> 00:38:08.199
<v Speaker 1>Killers as superstars. They see them as a group of

659
00:38:08.280 --> 00:38:11.880
<v Speaker 1>people to aspire to be because it's almost like the

660
00:38:11.920 --> 00:38:17.360
<v Speaker 1>true American rebel is the most opposed, right, I mean,

661
00:38:17.360 --> 00:38:22.400
<v Speaker 1>if the establishment media calls these people out as villains,

662
00:38:22.559 --> 00:38:24.960
<v Speaker 1>then to be a rebel is to be one of

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<v Speaker 1>these people.

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<v Speaker 6>Well, that goes along with what I would talk about

665
00:38:30.960 --> 00:38:35.960
<v Speaker 6>several years ago called dark hero programming. Yes, okay, so

666
00:38:36.199 --> 00:38:39.599
<v Speaker 6>instead of identifying with the hero like Batman or Superman,

667
00:38:39.840 --> 00:38:43.480
<v Speaker 6>used to start to identify with the Joker character or

668
00:38:43.599 --> 00:38:48.239
<v Speaker 6>the villain like a Watchman or something, because the world

669
00:38:48.280 --> 00:38:51.840
<v Speaker 6>is so corrupt that there are no ideals to stand

670
00:38:51.920 --> 00:38:54.679
<v Speaker 6>up for anymore, and it has to be inverted the Joker.

671
00:38:55.159 --> 00:38:57.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so pure Boker is a good example. Donnie Darko

672
00:38:58.119 --> 00:39:00.480
<v Speaker 1>was kind of a version of this. Batman is the

673
00:39:00.480 --> 00:39:01.559
<v Speaker 1>classic dark hero.

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00:39:02.400 --> 00:39:02.559
<v Speaker 3>Right.

675
00:39:02.639 --> 00:39:08.000
<v Speaker 1>So the nihilism that results of relativism least to nihilism,

676
00:39:08.079 --> 00:39:09.800
<v Speaker 1>and the nihilism results in will.

677
00:39:09.679 --> 00:39:11.880
<v Speaker 3>To power, Well, I might as well just enforce my.

678
00:39:12.280 --> 00:39:14.199
<v Speaker 1>Because everything in the world is just will to power.

679
00:39:14.559 --> 00:39:17.360
<v Speaker 1>This actually comes up in Mickey's speech. Mickey actually says

680
00:39:17.400 --> 00:39:19.960
<v Speaker 1>this at a crucial point in the film. But before

681
00:39:20.000 --> 00:39:23.159
<v Speaker 1>you get to that, we have the Great sequence at

682
00:39:23.159 --> 00:39:26.280
<v Speaker 1>the beginning when they start killing at this diner or whatever,

683
00:39:26.360 --> 00:39:28.840
<v Speaker 1>and you hear L seven.

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00:39:28.800 --> 00:39:36.079
<v Speaker 4>You make my shit list list.

685
00:39:36.280 --> 00:39:38.639
<v Speaker 1>If you've never heard this song, That's exactly what happens

686
00:39:38.719 --> 00:39:41.880
<v Speaker 1>right that. I remind because it just makes me think

687
00:39:41.920 --> 00:39:44.480
<v Speaker 1>of riding around in high school with Ben listening to

688
00:39:44.559 --> 00:39:46.119
<v Speaker 1>shit lists by L seven.

689
00:39:46.159 --> 00:39:47.400
<v Speaker 3>But anyway, shout out to Ben.

690
00:39:47.400 --> 00:39:50.599
<v Speaker 1>There on that one we see them riding down route

691
00:39:50.719 --> 00:39:55.280
<v Speaker 1>six sixty six. That's an appropriate road because there's consistent

692
00:39:55.920 --> 00:39:58.880
<v Speaker 1>satanic and demonic themes.

693
00:39:58.519 --> 00:39:58.960
<v Speaker 3>In the film.

694
00:39:59.000 --> 00:40:01.840
<v Speaker 1>They're actually going to continue they see demons, especially when

695
00:40:01.840 --> 00:40:06.599
<v Speaker 1>they get to their initiation experience in the lodge with

696
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<v Speaker 1>none other than Russell means if you've ever if you

697
00:40:10.280 --> 00:40:13.079
<v Speaker 1>were a long time Jones a listener, then you remember

698
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<v Speaker 1>Russell means. Russell means the famous Indian story. He's some

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<v Speaker 1>sort of politician, I think exactly.

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<v Speaker 4>That was an interesting party, oh am I cutting out, No,

701
00:40:26.639 --> 00:40:30.039
<v Speaker 4>you're good. Oh. That was an interesting part of the

702
00:40:30.039 --> 00:40:38.639
<v Speaker 4>movie because it just shows you the whole chaoticness of.

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<v Speaker 6>It because the the story he was telling him was

704
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<v Speaker 6>about the snake that you know they saved, and the

705
00:40:44.320 --> 00:40:47.039
<v Speaker 6>snake bit him. Is like what you've heard that tale, right,

706
00:40:47.079 --> 00:40:48.440
<v Speaker 6>what did you think I was gonna do as a snake?

707
00:40:48.719 --> 00:40:49.440
<v Speaker 4>You know that I was?

708
00:40:49.639 --> 00:40:53.280
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and Trump used that story in the campaign, which

709
00:40:53.320 --> 00:40:56.719
<v Speaker 1>was funny, except he applied it to like a something else,

710
00:40:56.800 --> 00:40:59.320
<v Speaker 1>like a scorpion or something like that.

711
00:40:59.400 --> 00:41:00.840
<v Speaker 4>But yeah, mm hmm.

712
00:41:03.000 --> 00:41:04.679
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. So so he sees himself.

713
00:41:04.360 --> 00:41:08.199
<v Speaker 6>Like a snake, I mean, because they are so far

714
00:41:08.519 --> 00:41:13.599
<v Speaker 6>possessed that they're just going to destroy everything in their path,

715
00:41:13.639 --> 00:41:14.639
<v Speaker 6>even something that's trying to help.

716
00:41:15.119 --> 00:41:17.639
<v Speaker 4>You know that Russell Mean's character was right.

717
00:41:17.679 --> 00:41:20.840
<v Speaker 1>So before they get to the initiation stage, though, we

718
00:41:20.920 --> 00:41:24.679
<v Speaker 1>see a flashback to their origin stories, both of the

719
00:41:24.760 --> 00:41:28.679
<v Speaker 1>of these characters. And when Malory, which by the way,

720
00:41:28.800 --> 00:41:32.679
<v Speaker 1>the beginning of her name is mal malice right in Latin,

721
00:41:33.119 --> 00:41:35.880
<v Speaker 1>when we reflect upon her origin story, she sees her

722
00:41:35.920 --> 00:41:38.000
<v Speaker 1>life as a sitcom. So she grew up watching I

723
00:41:38.000 --> 00:41:40.440
<v Speaker 1>don't know these Archie Bunker or whatever whatever she keeps

724
00:41:40.440 --> 00:41:43.679
<v Speaker 1>appealing to in her head, mixed with mixed with married

725
00:41:43.679 --> 00:41:47.480
<v Speaker 1>with children or something. And and so the Rodney Dangefeld character,

726
00:41:47.559 --> 00:41:49.159
<v Speaker 1>you know, is abusive to her.

727
00:41:49.280 --> 00:41:54.000
<v Speaker 3>She's been abused in an obviously creepy way.

728
00:41:54.639 --> 00:41:58.440
<v Speaker 1>And this has resulted in her dissociation and screwed up.

729
00:41:58.679 --> 00:42:04.079
<v Speaker 1>Uh persona Mickey comes in to save her. Mickey sees

730
00:42:04.119 --> 00:42:07.159
<v Speaker 1>everything as a Western, right, so he he grew up

731
00:42:07.199 --> 00:42:09.719
<v Speaker 1>on Westerns and whatever. I don't even I don't know

732
00:42:09.760 --> 00:42:12.280
<v Speaker 1>anything about Western Bonanza or some shit. So he sees

733
00:42:12.320 --> 00:42:14.559
<v Speaker 1>everything as Westerns and he's there to be like this

734
00:42:14.679 --> 00:42:17.360
<v Speaker 1>hero character. But he's not really a hero in the

735
00:42:17.400 --> 00:42:18.960
<v Speaker 1>sense of the of their being virtue.

736
00:42:19.000 --> 00:42:21.079
<v Speaker 3>He's just a hero in the sense of doing whatever

737
00:42:21.119 --> 00:42:23.719
<v Speaker 3>the f he wants. Right. He's a he's a dark

738
00:42:23.760 --> 00:42:28.679
<v Speaker 3>hero outlaw. He's an outlaw exactly right. Uh, Indian outlaw

739
00:42:29.840 --> 00:42:33.639
<v Speaker 3>jerky and hall ee. She's a tip of a hall

740
00:42:34.239 --> 00:42:34.719
<v Speaker 3>She's one of.

741
00:42:34.719 --> 00:42:40.719
<v Speaker 6>The What was interesting about that scene was that when

742
00:42:40.800 --> 00:42:43.360
<v Speaker 6>the origin story of hers was coming out, when they

743
00:42:43.400 --> 00:42:46.599
<v Speaker 6>were having the dialogue about her being molested or whatever,

744
00:42:46.719 --> 00:42:50.119
<v Speaker 6>it was as if it was a sitcom with a

745
00:42:50.199 --> 00:42:52.639
<v Speaker 6>laugh track, and so they were delivering the lines and

746
00:42:53.119 --> 00:42:57.760
<v Speaker 6>people people were laughing at the the joke that was

747
00:42:58.119 --> 00:42:59.119
<v Speaker 6>her being molested.

748
00:42:59.239 --> 00:43:02.719
<v Speaker 1>Her life, right, everything is a joke. Absurdism.

749
00:43:03.159 --> 00:43:08.480
<v Speaker 3>What's the church of the subgenus thing? What's the whole world? Right?

750
00:43:08.480 --> 00:43:09.400
<v Speaker 3>But what's the worldview?

751
00:43:09.519 --> 00:43:15.320
<v Speaker 1>It's Discordian absurdist type of worldview. Yeah, so yeah, everything's nihilistic.

752
00:43:16.960 --> 00:43:19.320
<v Speaker 3>Let's see what else to have my notes about Mickey.

753
00:43:19.480 --> 00:43:22.840
<v Speaker 3>So they have a snake wedding ring. The eternal return

754
00:43:22.880 --> 00:43:26.840
<v Speaker 3>of the Oboros of Nietzsche is mentioned explicitly. It comes

755
00:43:26.880 --> 00:43:28.760
<v Speaker 3>at multiple times. Snake snake snakes.

756
00:43:29.719 --> 00:43:32.719
<v Speaker 1>Then we have the interesting introduction of the character of

757
00:43:33.199 --> 00:43:36.559
<v Speaker 1>Wayne Gail, Who's funny because Wayne Gail is played by

758
00:43:36.639 --> 00:43:40.719
<v Speaker 1>Robert Downey Junior, who's this uh, he's an Australian sort

759
00:43:40.760 --> 00:43:48.400
<v Speaker 1>of Inside Edition Heraldo meets Inside Edition meets h what's

760
00:43:48.480 --> 00:43:50.239
<v Speaker 1>the John what's.

761
00:43:50.000 --> 00:43:53.239
<v Speaker 3>His name from? Not Catch a Predator but Chris Hansen.

762
00:43:53.760 --> 00:43:56.480
<v Speaker 1>No, well this is before Chris Hansen, who's the guy

763
00:43:56.559 --> 00:43:59.559
<v Speaker 1>that did the America's Most Wanted. That guy says like

764
00:43:59.559 --> 00:44:02.159
<v Speaker 1>a mix of all these guys into one guy who's like,

765
00:44:02.239 --> 00:44:02.760
<v Speaker 1>you know.

766
00:44:02.719 --> 00:44:04.960
<v Speaker 3>Oh, I'm gonna I'm on this scene. I'm gonna you know.

767
00:44:05.039 --> 00:44:09.039
<v Speaker 1>And then he gets the great interview eventually with with Mickey,

768
00:44:10.000 --> 00:44:12.559
<v Speaker 1>and so we see that the Hollywood Killers are serialized.

769
00:44:13.079 --> 00:44:15.480
<v Speaker 1>Wayne Gale presents his version of the story. That part

770
00:44:15.519 --> 00:44:18.639
<v Speaker 1>was really funny because rather than them just being killers,

771
00:44:19.000 --> 00:44:22.199
<v Speaker 1>he presents Mallory like Rambo and so she's like, got

772
00:44:22.199 --> 00:44:25.239
<v Speaker 1>this bazooka and she's taken out people. So a really

773
00:44:25.280 --> 00:44:28.119
<v Speaker 1>interesting commentary on how the media then takes the stories

774
00:44:28.119 --> 00:44:31.199
<v Speaker 1>of the serial killers blows them up again, sort of

775
00:44:31.199 --> 00:44:35.519
<v Speaker 1>echoing the Dave mcgallan take, also perhaps echoed in the

776
00:44:35.840 --> 00:44:37.639
<v Speaker 1>Once Upon a Time in Hollywood. I think there's an

777
00:44:37.679 --> 00:44:42.599
<v Speaker 1>element of this in Tarantino's most recent movie. Again, Tarantino

778
00:44:43.000 --> 00:44:47.119
<v Speaker 1>is who he producer, directed this, and then Oliver Stone

779
00:44:47.119 --> 00:44:50.159
<v Speaker 1>did something Anyway, Now Oliver Stone, it's it's an it's

780
00:44:50.199 --> 00:44:52.159
<v Speaker 1>a Stone Tarantino production.

781
00:44:52.599 --> 00:44:54.719
<v Speaker 3>So you're gonna get elements of both of those guys here.

782
00:44:54.760 --> 00:44:57.920
<v Speaker 1>But the serial killers are Hollywood eyed. Part of the

783
00:44:57.960 --> 00:45:01.559
<v Speaker 1>story is a mythology. And then the point here being

784
00:45:01.719 --> 00:45:07.840
<v Speaker 1>is that the the product of this is a it's

785
00:45:07.960 --> 00:45:10.840
<v Speaker 1>unclear as to who really the villain is. Is the

786
00:45:10.920 --> 00:45:14.559
<v Speaker 1>villain actually the media who makes these people famous is

787
00:45:14.599 --> 00:45:18.519
<v Speaker 1>the villain? Hollywood who satirizes and propels these stories.

788
00:45:19.119 --> 00:45:22.039
<v Speaker 3>Is the villain the serial killer? Or they're all villains? Right?

789
00:45:22.519 --> 00:45:25.400
<v Speaker 3>And I think that this is the incoherence. One last point,

790
00:45:25.400 --> 00:45:26.880
<v Speaker 3>The incoherence.

791
00:45:26.239 --> 00:45:31.679
<v Speaker 1>Of this is shown in their tattoos. Right, do you

792
00:45:31.719 --> 00:45:33.280
<v Speaker 1>do you remember that they're all they're all.

793
00:45:33.159 --> 00:45:36.360
<v Speaker 3>Tatted up and all their tattoos make absolutely no sense. Right.

794
00:45:36.360 --> 00:45:38.159
<v Speaker 3>So there's a tattoo that deals with like love.

795
00:45:38.719 --> 00:45:41.320
<v Speaker 1>There's a tattoo of a yin yang, which is like

796
00:45:41.400 --> 00:45:44.800
<v Speaker 1>the whole evil good dialectic which comes up all throughout

797
00:45:44.840 --> 00:45:47.239
<v Speaker 1>the movie that good is evil, evil's good. There's a

798
00:45:47.280 --> 00:45:51.639
<v Speaker 1>tattoo of the almost a caduceis of two snakes, the

799
00:45:51.639 --> 00:45:55.199
<v Speaker 1>there's the tattoo of a scorpion, and the tattoo of Jesus.

800
00:45:56.480 --> 00:45:56.960
<v Speaker 3>This is a.

801
00:45:58.719 --> 00:46:04.079
<v Speaker 1>Incoherent, just zibber jabber got gaggle of nonsense of tattoos

802
00:46:04.119 --> 00:46:06.360
<v Speaker 1>that mean absolutely everything and nothing all at once.

803
00:46:07.760 --> 00:46:08.280
<v Speaker 3>It's it's a.

804
00:46:08.280 --> 00:46:11.440
<v Speaker 1>Totally if you look at their tattoos, what they believe in, right,

805
00:46:11.480 --> 00:46:15.159
<v Speaker 1>what they stamp themselves with as believing in. It's kind

806
00:46:15.199 --> 00:46:19.039
<v Speaker 1>of like the typical American, isn't it a concatenation, a

807
00:46:19.119 --> 00:46:22.960
<v Speaker 1>cafeteria approach of getting a dab of this, a daba

808
00:46:22.960 --> 00:46:26.199
<v Speaker 1>that daba that all together into a pile of nonsense.

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00:46:26.920 --> 00:46:28.079
<v Speaker 4>Oh, that's a good way to put it.

810
00:46:29.239 --> 00:46:32.840
<v Speaker 6>Remember two, when you were talking about who's the to

811
00:46:32.920 --> 00:46:36.760
<v Speaker 6>blame or who's the villain the there was also the

812
00:46:36.800 --> 00:46:39.679
<v Speaker 6>detective character who was obsessed with Mallory.

813
00:46:39.400 --> 00:46:43.880
<v Speaker 1>And would get Yes, the size Tom Sizemore plays the

814
00:46:44.039 --> 00:46:48.239
<v Speaker 1>obsessed p I who just wants to, you know, get

815
00:46:48.280 --> 00:46:49.440
<v Speaker 1>it on with Juliet Lewis.

816
00:46:49.519 --> 00:46:53.760
<v Speaker 6>Right, yeah, so even the good guys are bad guys

817
00:46:54.320 --> 00:46:56.880
<v Speaker 6>in this. And then also the Tommy Lee Jones character

818
00:46:56.960 --> 00:46:59.480
<v Speaker 6>who when they went to his prison he was the warden.

819
00:46:59.599 --> 00:47:01.719
<v Speaker 4>He became famous. So everybody is.

820
00:47:02.039 --> 00:47:06.639
<v Speaker 1>Profiting yeah, right, a serial killer market, right, becomes this

821
00:47:06.719 --> 00:47:10.440
<v Speaker 1>whole industry exactly. That's another interesting critique, And and I

822
00:47:10.480 --> 00:47:13.760
<v Speaker 1>think that there's an element of insight that we could

823
00:47:13.800 --> 00:47:17.119
<v Speaker 1>get from Mickey, because Mickey actually makes my argument against

824
00:47:17.199 --> 00:47:23.199
<v Speaker 1>Darwinism and against materialism. He says, look, if if the

825
00:47:23.239 --> 00:47:26.039
<v Speaker 1>world is just competing forces of good and evil, or

826
00:47:26.079 --> 00:47:29.719
<v Speaker 1>if the world is just naturalistic process, then what we

827
00:47:29.840 --> 00:47:32.159
<v Speaker 1>call life and what we call death are just flip

828
00:47:32.239 --> 00:47:34.519
<v Speaker 1>sides of the same coin, and they're both equally necessary.

829
00:47:34.519 --> 00:47:38.159
<v Speaker 1>There's not really any value judgment between one being good

830
00:47:38.199 --> 00:47:41.440
<v Speaker 1>and one being bad. They just are right, yeah, and

831
00:47:41.480 --> 00:47:43.760
<v Speaker 1>they're just they're just part of the evolutionary process. They're

832
00:47:43.800 --> 00:47:46.360
<v Speaker 1>just part of the nevating or bios nietzsche An eternal

833
00:47:46.360 --> 00:47:47.320
<v Speaker 1>return cycle.

834
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<v Speaker 6>Well, he was talking about the snake just hunts.

835
00:47:51.719 --> 00:47:53.880
<v Speaker 4>It does what it does that both kills, it does.

836
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<v Speaker 6>It doesn't have any remorse or discretion when it just

837
00:48:00.159 --> 00:48:04.840
<v Speaker 6>does that. And he's saying that he is that soul

838
00:48:05.000 --> 00:48:07.280
<v Speaker 6>is killer and you can't say he's good or bad.

839
00:48:07.360 --> 00:48:08.400
<v Speaker 4>He just is a killer.

840
00:48:09.280 --> 00:48:14.000
<v Speaker 3>He just is, Yeah, just like a natural force is

841
00:48:14.079 --> 00:48:14.800
<v Speaker 3>in the world.

842
00:48:14.960 --> 00:48:17.360
<v Speaker 1>So he sees himself kind of like if you've seen

843
00:48:17.360 --> 00:48:20.480
<v Speaker 1>No Country for Old Men, Right, Anton Sugar sees himself

844
00:48:20.519 --> 00:48:22.840
<v Speaker 1>as just a force of nature. He's just a determined

845
00:48:22.840 --> 00:48:25.760
<v Speaker 1>force of nature like anything else. Why is one action

846
00:48:26.320 --> 00:48:28.599
<v Speaker 1>good another action evil? And we have to keep in

847
00:48:28.679 --> 00:48:31.559
<v Speaker 1>mind too that the serial killer phenomenon had a huge

848
00:48:31.599 --> 00:48:35.800
<v Speaker 1>impact on altering American society. It was a huge sy

849
00:48:35.960 --> 00:48:39.639
<v Speaker 1>op in the sense of it being useful to adamize

850
00:48:39.679 --> 00:48:42.679
<v Speaker 1>society and remove everybody's innocence and all this kind of stuff.

851
00:48:42.760 --> 00:48:42.960
<v Speaker 6>Right.

852
00:48:43.320 --> 00:48:47.920
<v Speaker 3>So notice also that US culture in the film determines

853
00:48:47.960 --> 00:48:51.880
<v Speaker 3>global culture. Right. You have all of the other you

854
00:48:51.880 --> 00:48:54.480
<v Speaker 3>see like MTV Japan or something like this, and they're

855
00:48:54.519 --> 00:48:57.559
<v Speaker 3>like we love Malarihiki, very rebel.

856
00:48:57.760 --> 00:49:00.320
<v Speaker 1>You know, you see all these people doing all over

857
00:49:00.320 --> 00:49:02.920
<v Speaker 1>the world. It's like all these different cultures are emulating

858
00:49:02.920 --> 00:49:03.760
<v Speaker 1>American culture.

859
00:49:04.599 --> 00:49:08.239
<v Speaker 3>Why are you immimating? Why are you emulating this degenerate culture.

860
00:49:08.239 --> 00:49:12.280
<v Speaker 3>It's ridiculous, by the way. And also before you say.

861
00:49:12.079 --> 00:49:15.360
<v Speaker 1>That, keep in mind too, two scenes very reminiscent of

862
00:49:15.440 --> 00:49:19.360
<v Speaker 1>David lynch films Lost Highway and Wild at Heart.

863
00:49:19.679 --> 00:49:21.840
<v Speaker 3>Two very reminiscent scenes. The scene where they're in.

864
00:49:21.800 --> 00:49:25.400
<v Speaker 1>The desert with Mickey and Mallory just just like the

865
00:49:25.440 --> 00:49:27.960
<v Speaker 1>Wild at Heart, very close to the Wilde Heart scene

866
00:49:28.000 --> 00:49:30.840
<v Speaker 1>with Sailor and Loula Belle in the desert. And then

867
00:49:32.199 --> 00:49:36.440
<v Speaker 1>this movie is in between Lost Highway and h.

868
00:49:39.440 --> 00:49:42.760
<v Speaker 3>I just went blank, what's the other David Waldehart, excuse me?

869
00:49:42.800 --> 00:49:45.679
<v Speaker 1>Wilde Heart and then and then Lost Highway. So that

870
00:49:45.840 --> 00:49:48.679
<v Speaker 1>the scene where they're at the mechanic when when she

871
00:49:48.840 --> 00:49:52.599
<v Speaker 1>runs off, it's actually the Peat The Peak character is

872
00:49:52.599 --> 00:49:54.159
<v Speaker 1>a mechanic who's tempted.

873
00:49:55.039 --> 00:49:56.960
<v Speaker 3>That's exactly what happens in Lost Highway.

874
00:49:57.039 --> 00:50:00.159
<v Speaker 1>The same actor, the Peak character playing the mechanic, they

875
00:50:00.360 --> 00:50:04.639
<v Speaker 1>tempted with Rosanna Arquette, who's the mobster's you know, girlfriend,

876
00:50:05.039 --> 00:50:07.840
<v Speaker 1>So in this case it's the girlfriend.

877
00:50:07.360 --> 00:50:08.960
<v Speaker 3>Of the serial killer, right, not the mobster.

878
00:50:09.039 --> 00:50:12.800
<v Speaker 1>But very very just a curious thing I noticed there

879
00:50:12.800 --> 00:50:14.840
<v Speaker 1>with similarities to the David Lynch films.

880
00:50:14.880 --> 00:50:24.679
<v Speaker 3>But go ahead, So let's see.

881
00:50:26.199 --> 00:50:28.840
<v Speaker 1>A lot of scenes where we see out windows and

882
00:50:29.119 --> 00:50:32.480
<v Speaker 1>outside the window, the world is viewed like a movie.

883
00:50:33.559 --> 00:50:36.719
<v Speaker 1>The outside world viewed like a movie. That's the whole

884
00:50:36.719 --> 00:50:37.760
<v Speaker 1>meaning of this movie.

885
00:50:38.679 --> 00:50:41.239
<v Speaker 3>So then we get to their We'll get to their initiation.

886
00:50:41.360 --> 00:50:41.719
<v Speaker 3>Go ahead.

887
00:50:43.000 --> 00:50:45.360
<v Speaker 4>They were doing psychedelics, all right, this is there.

888
00:50:45.440 --> 00:50:47.400
<v Speaker 3>So they go to the sweat lodge.

889
00:50:47.599 --> 00:50:49.400
<v Speaker 1>I remember how they come to this, but they get

890
00:50:49.519 --> 00:50:53.199
<v Speaker 1>they take shrooms and they trip out with this Indian shaman.

891
00:50:54.400 --> 00:50:56.360
<v Speaker 1>I wrote down something about a song. I don't remember

892
00:50:56.400 --> 00:51:05.039
<v Speaker 1>what song they were singing. They see demons. The the

893
00:51:05.039 --> 00:51:08.920
<v Speaker 1>shaman looks at at Mickey and he sees.

894
00:51:08.639 --> 00:51:11.360
<v Speaker 3>His face morph into the demonic and he's like you

895
00:51:11.440 --> 00:51:14.320
<v Speaker 3>are He's like, you are evil?

896
00:51:15.400 --> 00:51:16.480
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, And so.

897
00:51:16.519 --> 00:51:19.159
<v Speaker 1>Mickey and Mallory then just like go crazy once again.

898
00:51:19.280 --> 00:51:22.039
<v Speaker 1>And then I think maybe it's the little kid is

899
00:51:22.079 --> 00:51:24.079
<v Speaker 1>like you people are evil and then he runs off,

900
00:51:25.119 --> 00:51:28.599
<v Speaker 1>and uh, this is I think again. If we think

901
00:51:28.599 --> 00:51:31.239
<v Speaker 1>of America as a place of quote innocence in the

902
00:51:31.239 --> 00:51:35.159
<v Speaker 1>forties and fifties, right, Mickey and Mallory being after the

903
00:51:35.159 --> 00:51:39.119
<v Speaker 1>sixties counterculture, they represent the loss of innocence in the

904
00:51:39.159 --> 00:51:44.159
<v Speaker 1>next phase in the process of cultural cultural collapse and decay.

905
00:51:44.760 --> 00:51:46.559
<v Speaker 3>Then then they represent.

906
00:51:47.480 --> 00:51:50.280
<v Speaker 1>The reason they're constantly referred to as snakes is that

907
00:51:50.320 --> 00:51:51.679
<v Speaker 1>they're like snakes.

908
00:51:51.320 --> 00:51:54.039
<v Speaker 3>In the garden of Eden, right, they're all they're the

909
00:51:54.039 --> 00:51:55.320
<v Speaker 3>they're the snake.

910
00:51:55.400 --> 00:51:59.760
<v Speaker 1>That's that's like Satan destroying the innocence of of Eden.

911
00:51:59.800 --> 00:52:02.199
<v Speaker 3>Not in America. Actually literally was you know Eden? Or

912
00:52:02.320 --> 00:52:02.760
<v Speaker 3>was innocent?

913
00:52:02.800 --> 00:52:05.920
<v Speaker 1>I'm saying that that symbology is being used here and

914
00:52:05.960 --> 00:52:07.880
<v Speaker 1>all of a sudden actually does this symbology and other

915
00:52:07.880 --> 00:52:09.679
<v Speaker 1>films if you've seen You Turn, he does the exact

916
00:52:09.679 --> 00:52:13.400
<v Speaker 1>same thing, because you realize that this desert town that

917
00:52:13.960 --> 00:52:17.760
<v Speaker 1>spoiler alert that Sean Penn is stuck in is almost

918
00:52:17.920 --> 00:52:21.840
<v Speaker 1>kind of hell. Basically, it's either purgatory or hell. And

919
00:52:21.880 --> 00:52:24.079
<v Speaker 1>there's there's you know, snakes and this kind.

920
00:52:23.920 --> 00:52:30.079
<v Speaker 3>Of stuff going on in this desert town as well. So, oh,

921
00:52:30.079 --> 00:52:31.840
<v Speaker 3>they get bitten by the snake too, don't forget that

922
00:52:31.880 --> 00:52:32.639
<v Speaker 3>they're bitten.

923
00:52:32.360 --> 00:52:34.440
<v Speaker 4>By Yeah, she gets that's how they get caught.

924
00:52:34.840 --> 00:52:39.800
<v Speaker 3>Right, It's all an illusion.

925
00:52:39.880 --> 00:52:44.239
<v Speaker 1>It's all if surrealism comes up illusion this kind of stuff,

926
00:52:44.840 --> 00:52:47.119
<v Speaker 1>and they think that it's all an illusion because of

927
00:52:47.920 --> 00:52:50.280
<v Speaker 1>TV and movies, right, and that the world of TV

928
00:52:50.360 --> 00:52:52.800
<v Speaker 1>and movies, it's all illusion. And then the real world

929
00:52:52.840 --> 00:52:56.360
<v Speaker 1>has been blended with it's all illusion in Hollywood. So

930
00:52:56.440 --> 00:52:58.679
<v Speaker 1>now the real world is a illusion, and that's what

931
00:52:58.840 --> 00:53:02.960
<v Speaker 1>surrealism is real them the idea that there's no literal, there's.

932
00:53:02.719 --> 00:53:04.960
<v Speaker 3>Literally no separations in a waken state, in the dream state.

933
00:53:06.480 --> 00:53:10.159
<v Speaker 3>M h everybody. So this is what Stefan said.

934
00:53:10.320 --> 00:53:11.960
<v Speaker 1>He's like, every time I get on camera and my

935
00:53:12.000 --> 00:53:13.840
<v Speaker 1>nose starts ithing the same with me, and then people

936
00:53:13.840 --> 00:53:14.360
<v Speaker 1>are he.

937
00:53:14.360 --> 00:53:18.320
<v Speaker 3>Does coke, he does coke. He just he does coke. No, dude,

938
00:53:18.320 --> 00:53:18.960
<v Speaker 3>I have allergies.

939
00:53:18.960 --> 00:53:20.760
<v Speaker 1>I'm in my library. There's a lot of dust everyone

940
00:53:20.760 --> 00:53:23.239
<v Speaker 1>in this library. So my nose is always itching. So

941
00:53:24.199 --> 00:53:27.519
<v Speaker 1>I'm not or here doing lines like scarface.

942
00:53:29.639 --> 00:53:32.920
<v Speaker 6>Throughout the movie, they show the fans of Mickey and

943
00:53:32.960 --> 00:53:35.039
<v Speaker 6>Mallery just like as if they're on tour.

944
00:53:35.760 --> 00:53:38.480
<v Speaker 3>Oh, they're like tour, they're touring. I didn't even think

945
00:53:38.480 --> 00:53:40.119
<v Speaker 3>about that they're doing a tour across the.

946
00:53:40.239 --> 00:53:43.280
<v Speaker 6>US because when you said, like all the Japanese people like, oh,

947
00:53:43.320 --> 00:53:46.199
<v Speaker 6>we love making me married, I'm like, that just happened.

948
00:53:46.199 --> 00:53:48.519
<v Speaker 6>And all through these documentaries, they you know, they always

949
00:53:48.519 --> 00:53:50.199
<v Speaker 6>have to have the shots of all the adoring fans

950
00:53:50.199 --> 00:53:52.559
<v Speaker 6>in every country, but they put that in National War

951
00:53:52.639 --> 00:53:55.079
<v Speaker 6>Killers too, so like the serial Killers.

952
00:53:54.840 --> 00:53:56.719
<v Speaker 3>Are on tour exactly. Good point.

953
00:53:56.800 --> 00:53:59.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's almost like, even though there's not live stream,

954
00:54:00.000 --> 00:54:02.559
<v Speaker 1>I mean yet when we have the prison sequence, it's

955
00:54:02.599 --> 00:54:06.840
<v Speaker 1>almost like they're like, quick, quick, quick, they're doing a

956
00:54:06.880 --> 00:54:08.880
<v Speaker 1>revolution in the prison. Get it on film, So it's

957
00:54:08.880 --> 00:54:10.920
<v Speaker 1>like a live stream. It's a live streaming of the

958
00:54:10.960 --> 00:54:14.079
<v Speaker 1>prison revolution in the middle of the super Bowl. I

959
00:54:14.119 --> 00:54:16.400
<v Speaker 1>thought that was interesting. The super Bowl keeps coming up

960
00:54:16.719 --> 00:54:20.320
<v Speaker 1>because the super Bowl itself is ridiculous.

961
00:54:21.159 --> 00:54:25.800
<v Speaker 3>A giant social engineering mechanism. And then and then we're.

962
00:54:25.639 --> 00:54:26.920
<v Speaker 4>Gonna talk about the Super bowler.

963
00:54:27.039 --> 00:54:27.280
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

964
00:54:27.480 --> 00:54:28.920
<v Speaker 1>So in part two, by the way, we will get

965
00:54:28.920 --> 00:54:31.039
<v Speaker 1>to the super Bowl, this year's super Bowl. We're gonna

966
00:54:31.039 --> 00:54:34.960
<v Speaker 1>break it down with expert super Bowl analyst Jamie Hanshaw.

967
00:54:34.960 --> 00:54:37.000
<v Speaker 1>We're going to talk about the other big pop stars

968
00:54:37.000 --> 00:54:39.760
<v Speaker 1>in there, weird backstories. Jamie has done a lot of

969
00:54:39.760 --> 00:54:43.800
<v Speaker 1>research on this. But we're gonna close this discussion up

970
00:54:43.840 --> 00:54:46.480
<v Speaker 1>pretty soon. I did want to mention again that the

971
00:54:46.519 --> 00:54:49.880
<v Speaker 1>most relevant scene in the whole film is Mickey's interview,

972
00:54:50.320 --> 00:54:54.800
<v Speaker 1>almost like it's reminiscent of the Barbara Walters Charles Manson interview.

973
00:54:55.000 --> 00:54:59.599
<v Speaker 1>You know where I mean, he's Mickey's a little more eloquence.

974
00:54:59.159 --> 00:55:03.519
<v Speaker 3>Than Charles geeble gabble, I'm the darkness in a lot.

975
00:55:05.239 --> 00:55:07.840
<v Speaker 3>Mickey is more eloquent than the madness of Charles.

976
00:55:07.960 --> 00:55:08.079
<v Speaker 6>Uh.

977
00:55:08.119 --> 00:55:11.239
<v Speaker 1>And he actually gives a coherent argument on the bases

978
00:55:11.519 --> 00:55:13.599
<v Speaker 1>of naturalistic materialism.

979
00:55:13.719 --> 00:55:17.320
<v Speaker 3>Right, so the most, that's the most, that's the key

980
00:55:17.360 --> 00:55:17.719
<v Speaker 3>thing to.

981
00:55:17.679 --> 00:55:20.519
<v Speaker 1>Take away from this film is that that's the world

982
00:55:20.599 --> 00:55:26.840
<v Speaker 1>view of Americanism. That's the world view of naturalism, Darwinism, materialism,

983
00:55:26.920 --> 00:55:28.400
<v Speaker 1>hollywoodism is.

984
00:55:30.360 --> 00:55:31.840
<v Speaker 3>So they live stream the prison break.

985
00:55:32.199 --> 00:55:35.119
<v Speaker 1>He talks about reincarnation, reincarnation is the you know, Nietzsche

986
00:55:35.119 --> 00:55:37.400
<v Speaker 1>and eternal return, transmigration.

987
00:55:36.760 --> 00:55:42.280
<v Speaker 3>Of soul circle. Remember what's uh, what's Rust's.

988
00:55:42.000 --> 00:55:45.920
<v Speaker 1>Line from from True Detective.

989
00:55:47.039 --> 00:55:50.760
<v Speaker 3>I don't know thought about a flat circle? How you escaped?

990
00:55:50.840 --> 00:55:52.119
<v Speaker 3>Going on? I know.

991
00:55:54.039 --> 00:55:57.599
<v Speaker 4>He says, I can smell the shackles.

992
00:55:57.519 --> 00:56:03.159
<v Speaker 3>Smell it's a internal return exactly. Yeah, that's Nietzsche reincarnation.

993
00:56:03.320 --> 00:56:04.639
<v Speaker 3>So Plato, mm hmm.

994
00:56:06.599 --> 00:56:07.880
<v Speaker 4>Let's struck me about.

995
00:56:07.559 --> 00:56:11.239
<v Speaker 6>The end of about the end when they're doing the

996
00:56:11.280 --> 00:56:13.800
<v Speaker 6>live stream and the prison break, you could You might

997
00:56:14.599 --> 00:56:18.079
<v Speaker 6>even say that it was the media's fault that the

998
00:56:18.119 --> 00:56:20.599
<v Speaker 6>prison riot happened and they were allowed to escape.

999
00:56:20.599 --> 00:56:22.599
<v Speaker 3>Oh, the media wanted the prison ride. They're like, oh,

1000
00:56:22.639 --> 00:56:25.440
<v Speaker 3>this is perfect, get this, get it, help it on,

1001
00:56:25.599 --> 00:56:25.719
<v Speaker 3>you know.

1002
00:56:26.599 --> 00:56:30.480
<v Speaker 1>And then and that so that comes up in and again,

1003
00:56:30.679 --> 00:56:34.239
<v Speaker 1>perfect mirror image of this in the Luca Magnetic character,

1004
00:56:34.920 --> 00:56:37.360
<v Speaker 1>just like the Jake John Hall movie Nightcrawler. If you've

1005
00:56:37.360 --> 00:56:41.119
<v Speaker 1>not seen Nightcrawler, I recommend that the same same idea there,

1006
00:56:41.320 --> 00:56:43.480
<v Speaker 1>go back and listen to my interview with Sean Helton

1007
00:56:44.079 --> 00:56:45.519
<v Speaker 1>from five four.

1008
00:56:45.440 --> 00:56:47.760
<v Speaker 3>Or five years ago where we did a really good analysis.

1009
00:56:47.760 --> 00:56:50.440
<v Speaker 3>He did a great write up on a Nightcrawler.

1010
00:56:50.440 --> 00:56:52.880
<v Speaker 1>Sean also has a great analysis of National Warren Killers

1011
00:56:52.920 --> 00:56:54.599
<v Speaker 1>too on my website, so you can go check out

1012
00:56:54.679 --> 00:56:55.519
<v Speaker 1>Shawn's analysis.

1013
00:56:55.559 --> 00:56:59.880
<v Speaker 3>But go ahead, I guess that's.

1014
00:56:59.800 --> 00:57:04.119
<v Speaker 4>Why I had to say about Ashbourn Killers.

1015
00:57:05.519 --> 00:57:07.679
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, don't forget that Wayne Gaale in the midst

1016
00:57:07.719 --> 00:57:10.679
<v Speaker 1>of the revolution in the prison he congratulates them like

1017
00:57:10.719 --> 00:57:12.840
<v Speaker 1>they're they're both actors in the same play.

1018
00:57:14.039 --> 00:57:16.639
<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, great performance, great.

1019
00:57:16.519 --> 00:57:18.480
<v Speaker 4>Performance, authentic life or something.

1020
00:57:18.679 --> 00:57:20.960
<v Speaker 3>Great performance, Mickey, great performance.

1021
00:57:21.119 --> 00:57:25.679
<v Speaker 6>He's broken the fourth wall and now he's like actually

1022
00:57:25.800 --> 00:57:28.000
<v Speaker 6>in it. Instead of just reporting on.

1023
00:57:27.920 --> 00:57:33.239
<v Speaker 1>It exactly, Yes, doing that gonzo thing of inserting yourself

1024
00:57:33.280 --> 00:57:35.440
<v Speaker 1>into the story like mister Hunter S.

1025
00:57:35.480 --> 00:57:36.519
<v Speaker 3>Thompson did so famously.

1026
00:57:36.559 --> 00:57:39.840
<v Speaker 1>All right, so thank you for that, Jamie. Part two

1027
00:57:39.960 --> 00:57:43.239
<v Speaker 1>we'll be either later tonight or tomorrow. Jamie and I

1028
00:57:43.239 --> 00:57:45.719
<v Speaker 1>will do the rest of this stream. If you want that,

1029
00:57:45.800 --> 00:57:48.519
<v Speaker 1>you can subscribe at jasonalysis dot com at the PayPal

1030
00:57:49.039 --> 00:57:53.280
<v Speaker 1>links or the card services there. You can also subscribe

1031
00:57:53.280 --> 00:57:58.360
<v Speaker 1>here at YouTube YouTube under the joint section and those

1032
00:57:58.400 --> 00:58:00.360
<v Speaker 1>get posted. And yes, I know I'm behind on the

1033
00:58:00.360 --> 00:58:03.559
<v Speaker 1>part two of Genesis, the Final Electron Genesis, that will.

1034
00:58:03.480 --> 00:58:04.760
<v Speaker 3>Be up in the next few days as well.

1035
00:58:05.480 --> 00:58:08.840
<v Speaker 1>And then right after this, don't go anywhere. We're switching

1036
00:58:08.840 --> 00:58:12.079
<v Speaker 1>gears over to theology, and we have an answer to

1037
00:58:12.199 --> 00:58:18.360
<v Speaker 1>the stream relating to challenges from the Uniates and.

1038
00:58:18.039 --> 00:58:19.719
<v Speaker 3>Everybody I'm sure is familiar with the.

1039
00:58:19.639 --> 00:58:26.960
<v Speaker 1>Flanders conversion story, We're going to have a reverse conversion story.

1040
00:58:27.639 --> 00:58:29.400
<v Speaker 1>We're going to be interviewing a person who moved from

1041
00:58:29.519 --> 00:58:32.440
<v Speaker 1>Uniitism into Orthodoxy and he's going to give us his

1042
00:58:32.480 --> 00:58:37.360
<v Speaker 1>account of the audities and inconsistencies of the world of

1043
00:58:37.440 --> 00:58:40.480
<v Speaker 1>the Uniates, the Byzantine Catholics, the melchites and so forth.

1044
00:58:40.559 --> 00:58:43.119
<v Speaker 1>So that'll be up in the next ten minutes, so

1045
00:58:43.199 --> 00:58:44.960
<v Speaker 1>stay around for that if you want to move on

1046
00:58:45.039 --> 00:58:49.000
<v Speaker 1>to the theological stream that we're gonna have here in

1047
00:58:49.000 --> 00:58:49.480
<v Speaker 1>a little bit.

1048
00:58:49.639 --> 00:58:53.719
<v Speaker 3>Thank you, Jamie, appreciate that. And we'll have to stick.

1049
00:58:53.559 --> 00:58:56.320
<v Speaker 4>Around for part two. It's gonna be Kay Perry Lady

1050
00:58:56.360 --> 00:59:00.320
<v Speaker 4>gagas Taylor Swift the Super Bowl this year and in

1051
00:59:00.559 --> 00:59:03.679
<v Speaker 4>Disney's new satanic cartoon called The Owl House.

1052
00:59:03.800 --> 00:59:06.320
<v Speaker 3>Oh yes, I've heard of this, but I've not checked

1053
00:59:06.320 --> 00:59:06.599
<v Speaker 3>it out.

1054
00:59:06.639 --> 00:59:11.039
<v Speaker 1>So there's this bizarre, creepy Disney cartoon that is super

1055
00:59:11.199 --> 00:59:13.679
<v Speaker 1>esoteric in a negative way.

1056
00:59:14.320 --> 00:59:15.000
<v Speaker 3>So yeah.

1057
00:59:15.039 --> 00:59:17.559
<v Speaker 1>And by the way, I was talking about Jonathan Pagot earlier,

1058
00:59:17.639 --> 00:59:18.400
<v Speaker 1>and I will be doing a.

1059
00:59:18.400 --> 00:59:20.840
<v Speaker 3>Critique of Pegoe since he has a voubt.

1060
00:59:20.840 --> 00:59:25.880
<v Speaker 1>He has decided to do passive aggressive statements of making

1061
00:59:25.880 --> 00:59:29.559
<v Speaker 1>fun of conspiracies, laughing at conspiracies. Imagine in the in

1062
00:59:29.599 --> 00:59:33.599
<v Speaker 1>the era of jeff Stein Effrey laughing at conspiracies. Right,

1063
00:59:34.559 --> 00:59:36.800
<v Speaker 1>So I guess he wants to position himself as king

1064
00:59:36.840 --> 00:59:37.400
<v Speaker 1>of Normy's.

1065
00:59:37.440 --> 00:59:40.159
<v Speaker 3>Okay, dude, we'll see about that. We'll do a critique

1066
00:59:40.239 --> 00:59:42.719
<v Speaker 3>of his positions coming up.

1067
00:59:43.400 --> 00:59:45.000
<v Speaker 1>We're not in a hurry to do this. Maybe in

1068
00:59:45.039 --> 00:59:47.119
<v Speaker 1>the next few weeks, maybe a few months.

1069
00:59:47.159 --> 00:59:47.719
<v Speaker 3>We'll see.

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<v Speaker 1>I got a lot of stuff I got to do,

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<v Speaker 1>got a lot of books to get together, putting together

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<v Speaker 1>two books.

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<v Speaker 3>But anyway, thank you all.

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<v Speaker 1>Come back for the Uniate Critique stream in the next

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<v Speaker 1>ten fifteen minutes.

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<v Speaker 3>I'll better have a good night.