1 00:00:03,960 --> 00:00:04,519 Speaker 1: I think. 2 00:00:07,400 --> 00:03:51,240 Speaker 2: I think the encream scream streams and son sat. 3 00:04:00,479 --> 00:04:04,400 Speaker 1: Welcome to another episode of Jay's analysis. This time, my 4 00:04:05,080 --> 00:04:06,639 wonderful fiance joins me. 5 00:04:06,719 --> 00:04:09,919 Speaker 3: Her name is Jamie Henshaw. Jamie, how are you? I'm great, 6 00:04:10,719 --> 00:04:13,199 I'm doing good. I gotta find your picture? Where's your picture? 7 00:04:13,599 --> 00:04:14,080 Stick you? 8 00:04:14,360 --> 00:04:17,199 Speaker 1: I have a little image of a furry I don't 9 00:04:17,199 --> 00:04:18,839 think you want to be known as the furry on? 10 00:04:21,279 --> 00:04:24,399 Speaker 3: Do you want to be known as Stefan Malinu? 11 00:04:24,519 --> 00:04:29,639 Speaker 1: Now you're not Stephan, You're not Where's you? 12 00:04:29,639 --> 00:04:30,040 Speaker 3: You're not. 13 00:04:31,920 --> 00:04:36,720 Speaker 1: The Chinese black sorcerer from Big Trouble Little China. 14 00:04:36,800 --> 00:04:37,279 Speaker 3: That's not you. 15 00:04:38,399 --> 00:04:40,600 Speaker 1: We've got a weird collection of pictures here, so I'm 16 00:04:40,600 --> 00:04:41,399 trying to find you. 17 00:04:42,639 --> 00:04:49,639 Speaker 3: Where'd you go? There? You are? Okay? There is our fiance, Jamie. 18 00:04:50,160 --> 00:04:51,639 Everybody loves that picture of you. 19 00:04:51,639 --> 00:04:55,079 Speaker 1: You always get compliments on the haughty Jamie picture. 20 00:04:55,720 --> 00:04:56,319 Speaker 3: What do you think of that? 21 00:04:56,839 --> 00:04:59,439 Speaker 1: It's the same one in every episode. 22 00:05:00,560 --> 00:05:01,120 Speaker 4: With the hat. 23 00:05:03,079 --> 00:05:05,839 Speaker 1: That's sweet because you don't ever wear hats, so it's 24 00:05:06,199 --> 00:05:08,279 it doesn't it's odd because you never wear hats. 25 00:05:08,319 --> 00:05:10,319 Speaker 4: But you bought it for me. That was a fun day. 26 00:05:12,079 --> 00:05:13,079 Speaker 3: I bought your love. 27 00:05:13,519 --> 00:05:17,759 Speaker 5: I put a lot of money into your pocket, and 28 00:05:17,800 --> 00:05:22,879 then you liked me. It was a purely rational exchange. 29 00:05:22,879 --> 00:05:27,240 How many bitcoins for your love? Sounds like some kind 30 00:05:27,240 --> 00:05:29,519 of gay glee musical. 31 00:05:29,600 --> 00:05:31,879 Speaker 4: It's beautiful, yeah, isn't it? 32 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:35,279 Speaker 3: Yes? All right, No, I did not buy Jamie. 33 00:05:35,360 --> 00:05:40,879 Speaker 1: Jamie freely in the free market of ideas, chose to 34 00:05:40,920 --> 00:05:42,240 purchase her love from me. 35 00:05:42,959 --> 00:05:45,199 Speaker 3: Right, all right. 36 00:05:46,399 --> 00:05:50,680 Speaker 1: But speaking of the purchasing of love, the commodification of relation, 37 00:05:52,079 --> 00:05:52,879 I just made that up. 38 00:05:52,879 --> 00:05:54,439 Speaker 3: Man, I'm on a roll tonight already. 39 00:05:54,800 --> 00:05:57,959 Speaker 1: We are going to be talking about Hollywood inversion, and 40 00:05:58,000 --> 00:06:02,920 we've got some great examples. This is a familiar topic 41 00:06:02,959 --> 00:06:05,120 here at Jays Analysis. You know, we've been covering movies 42 00:06:05,480 --> 00:06:09,720 ever since the beginning of Jay's Analysis, tying in the philosophy, 43 00:06:09,759 --> 00:06:14,319 tying in the worldview, tying in the analysis with expert 44 00:06:14,680 --> 00:06:19,000 expert level analysis sizers like Jamie herself. 45 00:06:19,560 --> 00:06:23,560 Speaker 3: Now, you have two books. Only tell us about your 46 00:06:23,560 --> 00:06:24,879 books real quick before we get going. 47 00:06:26,720 --> 00:06:29,439 Speaker 6: They're oldies, but goodies, weird stuff Part one and two 48 00:06:30,079 --> 00:06:33,680 Operation Culture Creation and Hollywood Mind Control. 49 00:06:34,839 --> 00:06:37,639 Speaker 1: Yes, and the Hollywood my control is a great one. 50 00:06:37,639 --> 00:06:39,720 You can find that one at Jay's Analysis. If you go, 51 00:06:40,319 --> 00:06:45,120 you'll see the Hollywood my control option in the bookshop there, 52 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:47,879 and then you can find mine as well. So we're 53 00:06:47,879 --> 00:06:50,680 gonna be talking about a group of different things that 54 00:06:50,720 --> 00:06:53,680 we watched. I watched a couple of things, You watched 55 00:06:53,759 --> 00:06:55,879 a few things that I haven't seen, and we're gonna 56 00:06:55,920 --> 00:06:59,839 colate that information. We're gonna be talking about the Hollywood 57 00:07:00,160 --> 00:07:02,600 version narcissism magic mirror machine. 58 00:07:02,759 --> 00:07:04,199 Speaker 3: So basically, all of. 59 00:07:04,160 --> 00:07:08,639 Speaker 1: Hollywood is a magic narcissist mirror machine. 60 00:07:08,279 --> 00:07:10,199 Speaker 3: And we're gonna analyze it from that perspective. 61 00:07:10,240 --> 00:07:14,839 Speaker 1: Today we watched Natural Born Killers, which I hadn't seen 62 00:07:14,879 --> 00:07:18,240 since the nineties, back in the high school days, right, 63 00:07:18,360 --> 00:07:25,360 Quentin Tarantino meets Oliver Stone film, which was really interesting 64 00:07:25,399 --> 00:07:27,720 to watch this time around. I caught a lot of 65 00:07:27,720 --> 00:07:29,720 stuff that obviously I wouldn't have caught back when I 66 00:07:29,800 --> 00:07:30,839 was an idiot teenager. 67 00:07:31,319 --> 00:07:33,839 Speaker 3: Now I'm an idiot adult, so I can catch more things. 68 00:07:34,399 --> 00:07:36,920 Speaker 1: And then you watched You Got Me to watch the 69 00:07:37,160 --> 00:07:42,000 Cat Moms Catch the Cat Killer documentary about Luca Magnotta, 70 00:07:42,279 --> 00:07:46,600 which was wild and crazy, and I was watching part 71 00:07:46,600 --> 00:07:47,560 one watching part two. 72 00:07:47,600 --> 00:07:49,120 Speaker 3: It's a three part documentary on Netflix. 73 00:07:49,120 --> 00:07:50,839 Speaker 1: I'm sure a lot of you have seen it, and 74 00:07:50,839 --> 00:07:53,759 I'm sitting here thinking, how does this relate to Hollywood? 75 00:07:53,759 --> 00:07:54,240 Speaker 3: I don't get it? 76 00:07:54,279 --> 00:07:57,600 Speaker 1: And then in part three it all coalesces into how 77 00:07:57,600 --> 00:08:02,040 it relates to Hollywood, and then ah, yes, now I 78 00:08:02,199 --> 00:08:06,920 see why it relates to Hollywood because the bizarre character 79 00:08:07,000 --> 00:08:10,879 of Luca is a perfect representation of what's in Natural 80 00:08:10,879 --> 00:08:15,680 Born Killers, the perfect representation of what's in movies like 81 00:08:15,720 --> 00:08:19,720 American Psycho and Basic Instinct. Not that I'm recommending Basic Instinct. 82 00:08:19,720 --> 00:08:24,079 I've actually never seen Basic Instinct, so uh, I know 83 00:08:24,120 --> 00:08:28,879 what it's about now that I watch this documentary. But anyway, 84 00:08:29,759 --> 00:08:32,039 we're also gonna be talking about some documentaries that you 85 00:08:32,279 --> 00:08:34,279 watched and collated. 86 00:08:33,799 --> 00:08:36,120 Speaker 3: Information on and did some research on. 87 00:08:37,240 --> 00:08:41,440 Speaker 1: Who was it Katy Perry, Missus Gaga, and who's the 88 00:08:41,480 --> 00:08:41,919 other one? 89 00:08:42,519 --> 00:08:46,639 Speaker 3: Mile Miley or Taylor Taylor? Is Miley coming up in 90 00:08:46,639 --> 00:08:47,080 this or not? 91 00:08:48,480 --> 00:08:48,960 Speaker 4: Maybe? 92 00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:53,759 Speaker 3: Maybe? Not really? All right? Can everybody hear her? Okay, 93 00:08:53,840 --> 00:08:56,759 let's make sure that this sounds good. Does to sound 94 00:08:56,840 --> 00:09:00,320 good on her? Let me make sure hear me. 95 00:09:04,320 --> 00:09:08,039 Speaker 1: The chat's always a little bit behind, so if you 96 00:09:08,080 --> 00:09:10,399 would be sure that everybody can hear Jamie, well enough 97 00:09:10,519 --> 00:09:15,600 before we get rolling, everybody says it's a decent movie. 98 00:09:15,879 --> 00:09:17,320 Speaker 3: Okay, I'll have to check that out. 99 00:09:17,879 --> 00:09:24,440 Speaker 4: Which one based against him? 100 00:09:24,720 --> 00:09:28,159 Speaker 3: Is it? Well? Anyway? All right, so it looks like 101 00:09:28,159 --> 00:09:30,279 everybody can hear you. Good, we're getting some thumbed up. 102 00:09:30,360 --> 00:09:32,440 So all right, So where do you want to start 103 00:09:32,519 --> 00:09:34,639 us off? What was the first thing that you researched? 104 00:09:34,720 --> 00:09:38,279 Speaker 6: Start with the cat documentary and then we'll talk about 105 00:09:38,360 --> 00:09:39,519 Nashburn Killers and then. 106 00:09:39,399 --> 00:09:40,159 Speaker 4: We'll go from here. 107 00:09:40,879 --> 00:09:44,159 Speaker 1: Yeah, the Cat documentary is fresh in my mind now. 108 00:09:44,519 --> 00:09:46,039 When I started watching this, I didn't know what we 109 00:09:46,039 --> 00:09:47,960 were talking about. And then I realized, oh, I remember 110 00:09:47,960 --> 00:09:53,480 these news stories. What is paywalking? I don't know what 111 00:09:53,480 --> 00:09:55,399 people are talking about. If you have a problem, then 112 00:09:55,519 --> 00:09:59,399 go to some other, some other channel. Get that dude 113 00:09:59,399 --> 00:10:03,120 out of here anyway. Uh, stop trying to muke a 114 00:10:03,159 --> 00:10:07,519 loving store living, Brue. 115 00:10:07,799 --> 00:10:11,279 Speaker 3: Do you know everything should be free? Brue? Everything is 116 00:10:11,399 --> 00:10:15,080 free anyway. So, so I didn't know this was about 117 00:10:15,080 --> 00:10:16,879 that dude. So that dude was. 118 00:10:18,159 --> 00:10:20,639 Speaker 1: I remember the cannibal killer and they don't even mention 119 00:10:20,720 --> 00:10:22,840 the cannibal part in the documentary. 120 00:10:22,320 --> 00:10:24,759 Speaker 3: Which is odd. Maybe that never came up in the 121 00:10:24,799 --> 00:10:25,559 trial or something. 122 00:10:25,600 --> 00:10:27,919 Speaker 1: I don't know, but it was all in the news 123 00:10:27,960 --> 00:10:30,679 at the time that he was the cannibal model male 124 00:10:30,759 --> 00:10:32,159 model killer, so. 125 00:10:32,080 --> 00:10:32,559 Speaker 3: He's like. 126 00:10:34,120 --> 00:10:37,600 Speaker 1: He's he basically was trying to mimic himself after the 127 00:10:37,720 --> 00:10:41,559 Christian Bale character in American Psycho and the I guess 128 00:10:41,639 --> 00:10:42,559 the Sharon Steine character. 129 00:10:42,600 --> 00:10:44,120 Speaker 3: I haven't seen basic Instincts, so I don't know who 130 00:10:44,159 --> 00:10:45,519 he was trying to mimic. 131 00:10:47,720 --> 00:10:50,519 Speaker 4: It's so crazy because this A lot of different things 132 00:10:50,559 --> 00:10:51,360 stood out. 133 00:10:51,159 --> 00:10:54,679 Speaker 6: To me about this documentary before they even got into 134 00:10:54,840 --> 00:11:00,399 the serial killer portion of it. Because the Internet loves 135 00:11:00,440 --> 00:11:04,360 like you and I will never be famous as one 136 00:11:04,440 --> 00:11:05,159 hundred cats. 137 00:11:08,720 --> 00:11:10,799 Speaker 1: We were watching a movie last night and the song 138 00:11:10,879 --> 00:11:14,720 to that stupid movie was some millennial hipster you're going. 139 00:11:20,159 --> 00:11:21,080 Speaker 3: It's like kitties. 140 00:11:22,279 --> 00:11:25,840 Speaker 1: I guess it was called Starfish. I'm not sure if 141 00:11:25,879 --> 00:11:29,360 I recommend this movie. It wasn't that great because it 142 00:11:29,399 --> 00:11:31,960 was drama sci fi. 143 00:11:32,039 --> 00:11:33,840 Speaker 3: But I don't know what it was about. 144 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:36,840 Speaker 1: It was about grief in the end of the world 145 00:11:38,039 --> 00:11:39,480 and millennial cat songs. 146 00:11:39,600 --> 00:11:43,840 Speaker 6: So the what she said was the rule zero of 147 00:11:43,919 --> 00:11:46,679 the Internet is don't f with cats. 148 00:11:46,759 --> 00:11:50,200 Speaker 1: Like yes, sorry, the documentary for everybody, Yes, if you 149 00:11:50,240 --> 00:11:52,320 want to know that this documentary because people I'm sure 150 00:11:52,399 --> 00:11:55,840 going to be wondering. Don't f with Cats is the documentary? 151 00:11:55,840 --> 00:11:59,960 Three part documentary. It's interesting, it will keep you hooked 152 00:12:00,080 --> 00:12:00,840 if you watch. 153 00:12:00,639 --> 00:12:03,399 Speaker 3: It, but it is about Luca, So anyway, go ahead. 154 00:12:03,480 --> 00:12:07,240 Speaker 4: So yeah, basically, it just starts off with these people 155 00:12:09,120 --> 00:12:10,840 investigating this YouTube video. 156 00:12:10,600 --> 00:12:13,399 Speaker 6: That got uploaded with a guy putting cats into those 157 00:12:14,159 --> 00:12:16,440 air tight bags and stucking the air out and killing 158 00:12:16,519 --> 00:12:19,440 the cats two kittens, and it was called one Boy, 159 00:12:19,519 --> 00:12:23,799 Two Kittens or something like that, and everyone just. 160 00:12:23,759 --> 00:12:26,159 Speaker 4: Freaked out, and I'm wondering, like, how is this stuff 161 00:12:26,240 --> 00:12:28,279 even allowed to be on YouTube? 162 00:12:28,320 --> 00:12:30,679 Speaker 6: Like he at the later parts, he even went so 163 00:12:30,720 --> 00:12:32,639 far as to post the entire murder on YouTube. 164 00:12:32,720 --> 00:12:34,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, but again, like I was telling you, this was 165 00:12:34,399 --> 00:12:36,919 twenty twelve, so back then it was a lot less 166 00:12:37,799 --> 00:12:38,480 clamping down. 167 00:12:38,480 --> 00:12:40,720 Speaker 3: There was a lot of stuff that was more allowed. 168 00:12:40,360 --> 00:12:44,879 Speaker 1: Back then, Okay, before a lot of regulations and laws 169 00:12:44,879 --> 00:12:45,759 came to pass. 170 00:12:46,480 --> 00:12:49,320 Speaker 6: He uploads this video and everybody starts going crazy like 171 00:12:49,360 --> 00:12:51,480 we're gonna find you, We're gonna hunt him down, what 172 00:12:51,639 --> 00:12:57,159 we do and threatening him, right, And he really liked 173 00:12:57,159 --> 00:13:01,159 the movie Catch Me if you Can, so he was 174 00:13:01,279 --> 00:13:07,960 leaving clues as to what he was doing and kind 175 00:13:07,960 --> 00:13:09,759 of bragging about it because he was getting more and 176 00:13:09,759 --> 00:13:12,960 more famous for killing cats, and that's exactly what he 177 00:13:13,759 --> 00:13:17,080 set out to do, right, Like, this kid obviously wants 178 00:13:17,120 --> 00:13:20,080 to be in the spotlight no matter what. 179 00:13:22,360 --> 00:13:24,200 Speaker 4: Right, So you're seeing. 180 00:13:24,399 --> 00:13:28,960 Speaker 6: The awakenings of his psyche, which is gonna turn psycho 181 00:13:29,039 --> 00:13:30,639 because of the attention that he got. 182 00:13:33,879 --> 00:13:37,480 Speaker 1: Right, So it's like an addiction like anything else. Is 183 00:13:37,519 --> 00:13:41,840 the point I think here is that the dopamine that's released. 184 00:13:41,879 --> 00:13:45,080 And actually, again we saw the CEOs and the engineers 185 00:13:45,120 --> 00:13:47,000 you know from the different social media's come. 186 00:13:46,879 --> 00:13:49,039 Speaker 3: Out recently and discussed this. 187 00:13:49,159 --> 00:13:51,759 Speaker 1: If you watched Aaron Melissa's videos over at True Stream 188 00:13:51,879 --> 00:13:54,879 their videos where they chronicled, you know, the interviews of 189 00:13:55,480 --> 00:13:59,799 these people talking about the scientifically precise way that you 190 00:14:00,080 --> 00:14:05,840 could engineer people's dopamine too, where they're addicted to the 191 00:14:06,200 --> 00:14:10,080 social media attention. And so these cat moms and these 192 00:14:10,080 --> 00:14:13,159 people had basically set up this Facebook group to try 193 00:14:13,200 --> 00:14:15,840 to solve who the guy was that was killing the 194 00:14:15,879 --> 00:14:19,679 cats and these these uploaded videos, and the guy actually 195 00:14:19,759 --> 00:14:21,919 joined the group and they figured out that it was him, 196 00:14:21,919 --> 00:14:23,600 but they let him sort of lurk around so that 197 00:14:23,600 --> 00:14:26,799 they could watch his soft puppet, you know, fake profile, 198 00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:32,039 and it just he was so addicted to the attention 199 00:14:32,200 --> 00:14:34,559 and to the idea that he was like, you know, 200 00:14:34,600 --> 00:14:38,840 playing this stupid serial killer game out smarting everybody. That 201 00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:41,639 led to, ultimately, as we'll see, to his downfall. 202 00:14:41,759 --> 00:14:44,080 Speaker 3: So so yeah. 203 00:14:44,000 --> 00:14:46,799 Speaker 6: It's crazy because when he realized he was being watched, 204 00:14:46,799 --> 00:14:49,279 he threw them more videos, Like he made one where 205 00:14:49,320 --> 00:14:51,240 he was drowning a cat, and then he made one 206 00:14:51,279 --> 00:14:52,000 where he. 207 00:14:54,320 --> 00:14:56,679 Speaker 4: Was feeding it to a snake. 208 00:14:58,519 --> 00:15:01,720 Speaker 6: So he was getting off on and like uploading these 209 00:15:01,919 --> 00:15:05,000 videos and having the people not figure out who he 210 00:15:05,080 --> 00:15:08,759 is or where they're coming from. 211 00:15:08,799 --> 00:15:11,159 Speaker 4: So this just spurred him on to like go further 212 00:15:11,279 --> 00:15:11,639 with it. 213 00:15:12,000 --> 00:15:13,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, and then. 214 00:15:13,080 --> 00:15:16,360 Speaker 6: One guy they thought they had found a guy that 215 00:15:16,440 --> 00:15:18,799 did it, some guy named jam Zy or something like that. 216 00:15:19,240 --> 00:15:22,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, they found a guy in South Africa or somewhere, 217 00:15:22,559 --> 00:15:24,559 and it was just a yeah because he used a 218 00:15:24,559 --> 00:15:28,039 fake name, and so all these supposed internet sleuths were like, 219 00:15:28,120 --> 00:15:30,399 we found it, and we found a guy with that name, 220 00:15:31,120 --> 00:15:33,519 and it was totally wrong. There was just some chunky 221 00:15:33,600 --> 00:15:37,399 dude with the depression who unfortunately committed suicide after an 222 00:15:37,440 --> 00:15:39,919 internet Internet mob attacks and was like we're. 223 00:15:39,759 --> 00:15:41,159 Speaker 3: Going to get you. You going. 224 00:15:41,679 --> 00:15:44,000 Speaker 6: He got bullied so bad he ended up playing himself. 225 00:15:44,120 --> 00:15:48,919 So there's another victim of this whole sordid tale. Was 226 00:15:48,960 --> 00:15:52,759 this poor guy into the very standard just having to 227 00:15:52,840 --> 00:15:54,000 happen to have that name. 228 00:15:54,639 --> 00:15:56,039 Speaker 3: Mm hmm mm hmm. 229 00:15:56,639 --> 00:16:01,440 Speaker 1: Really uh blunder move there. Like just people we see 230 00:16:01,440 --> 00:16:03,360 this on the internet. People think that they know what's 231 00:16:03,399 --> 00:16:07,320 going on. They think that they have everything figured out 232 00:16:07,399 --> 00:16:09,840 from you know, YouTube drama or something like that, or 233 00:16:09,840 --> 00:16:13,799 from internet drama or people putting and and they don't 234 00:16:13,799 --> 00:16:15,559 even they have no idea what's going on. It's just 235 00:16:15,600 --> 00:16:18,559 like it's it's that easy to make a huge mistake. 236 00:16:18,279 --> 00:16:21,919 Speaker 3: And really, you know, mess people up. That's the whole point. 237 00:16:21,960 --> 00:16:23,679 Speaker 1: You know why people docks people and all that kind 238 00:16:23,679 --> 00:16:25,759 of stuff is to cause that kind of trouble, which 239 00:16:25,759 --> 00:16:30,600 is a really nasty technique, nasty tactic, but it works 240 00:16:30,600 --> 00:16:31,679 and that's why people do it. 241 00:16:31,759 --> 00:16:34,679 Speaker 3: So yeah, this was a huge mistake early on. 242 00:16:35,600 --> 00:16:39,679 Speaker 1: I think shows the danger in the idea of uh guilt, 243 00:16:39,879 --> 00:16:41,840 guilt by verdict. 244 00:16:41,720 --> 00:16:44,200 Speaker 3: Via social media. I mean, this is what we've seen 245 00:16:44,240 --> 00:16:47,960 for a long time and so we just live in this. 246 00:16:48,320 --> 00:16:50,559 The whole world is upside down. It's just this crazy 247 00:16:52,679 --> 00:16:53,799 inversion that we live in. 248 00:16:54,919 --> 00:16:59,480 Speaker 1: By the way, we've been talking about inversion for seven 249 00:17:00,000 --> 00:17:03,080 six years on Jay's analysis. Other YouTubers that are now 250 00:17:03,159 --> 00:17:07,880 using this terminology weren't the people to pioneer this analysis. 251 00:17:07,920 --> 00:17:09,359 To go back to the old interviews that I did 252 00:17:09,359 --> 00:17:10,200 with Mark Hacker. 253 00:17:10,039 --> 00:17:12,359 Speaker 3: We were talking about the inversion. So we're getting these 254 00:17:12,400 --> 00:17:14,319 people in here. You just you just cut up and 255 00:17:14,319 --> 00:17:16,799 so and so with the Tribune anology. Yeah, well, so 256 00:17:16,960 --> 00:17:17,319 and so. 257 00:17:18,799 --> 00:17:22,640 Speaker 1: Has been using our terminal terminology for years and making 258 00:17:22,640 --> 00:17:24,319 the content watered down enormy. 259 00:17:24,680 --> 00:17:26,240 Speaker 3: You can all figure out who I'm talking about. 260 00:17:26,440 --> 00:17:28,680 Speaker 1: We'll be doing a critique of him eventually down the road, 261 00:17:28,720 --> 00:17:31,400 but we had bigger issues to get to, namely the 262 00:17:31,440 --> 00:17:33,720 stuff on critique. 263 00:17:33,720 --> 00:17:34,680 Speaker 3: But anyway, go ahead. 264 00:17:38,039 --> 00:17:38,240 Speaker 4: Yeah. 265 00:17:38,279 --> 00:17:43,960 Speaker 6: What was interesting is they never actually discovered who he 266 00:17:44,240 --> 00:17:49,200 was because someone emailed them and said, the guy you're 267 00:17:49,240 --> 00:17:52,920 looking for is Luca Mgnata. So they were searching, searching, searching, 268 00:17:53,039 --> 00:17:57,240 and then the Facebook group got so big and they 269 00:17:57,799 --> 00:17:59,599 hit all these dead ends and then finally like, I 270 00:17:59,640 --> 00:18:02,279 know not and as person says, it's Luca Bagnanas. 271 00:18:02,359 --> 00:18:03,920 Speaker 4: So that's a weird. 272 00:18:05,359 --> 00:18:05,680 Speaker 3: Clue. 273 00:18:05,720 --> 00:18:10,559 Speaker 4: In the case like who who rated them out? They 274 00:18:10,680 --> 00:18:11,880 never followed that. 275 00:18:11,920 --> 00:18:14,480 Speaker 3: But go back to not talking to you. It's people 276 00:18:14,480 --> 00:18:15,799 in the chat. Go back to. 277 00:18:15,880 --> 00:18:17,960 Speaker 1: The interviews that I did and the articles that I 278 00:18:18,000 --> 00:18:21,640 did with Mark Hackard from five or six years ago. 279 00:18:22,119 --> 00:18:25,400 I said, we've talked about inversion for years. We talked 280 00:18:25,440 --> 00:18:28,720 about inversion and old interviews with Jamie because it's the 281 00:18:28,759 --> 00:18:32,720 inversion of what's good. Evil inverts and turns things on 282 00:18:32,759 --> 00:18:36,200 their head. Anybody who's followed Jason Analysis for a long 283 00:18:36,240 --> 00:18:40,160 time knows we've talked about this for years. And mister 284 00:18:40,240 --> 00:18:43,759 so and so is just grifting and using our terminology, our. 285 00:18:43,680 --> 00:18:47,240 Speaker 3: Ideas or who shows who never listens to you? All right? 286 00:18:47,319 --> 00:18:49,759 Speaker 1: Really is that right? How do you know that I 287 00:18:49,839 --> 00:18:52,799 talk about conspiracy stuff? You never listened to me. By 288 00:18:52,839 --> 00:18:54,319 the way, anyway, go ahead. 289 00:18:54,559 --> 00:18:58,759 Speaker 6: I think that's a pretty common magical axiom, like if 290 00:18:58,759 --> 00:19:00,839 you want to make some eel you just very good thing. 291 00:19:01,799 --> 00:19:03,960 Speaker 3: It's not that it's pretty Yeah, it is pretty well known. 292 00:19:04,000 --> 00:19:07,880 Speaker 1: But in the sphere of applying it to geopolitics, Mark 293 00:19:07,920 --> 00:19:10,200 hacker and I were doing interviews talking about that five 294 00:19:10,279 --> 00:19:11,400 years ago, six years ago. 295 00:19:12,599 --> 00:19:19,359 Speaker 6: M anyway, So go ahead, back to if Zoolander was 296 00:19:19,440 --> 00:19:22,279 a serial killer, because that's how this guy acts, right. 297 00:19:22,359 --> 00:19:28,039 Speaker 3: So they find it and they find he's always doing 298 00:19:28,039 --> 00:19:29,640 blue steel in every pictures. 299 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:36,960 Speaker 6: Yeah yeah, And he turns out he was a esport, 300 00:19:37,359 --> 00:19:42,880 male escort and male model in Canada, and. 301 00:19:42,799 --> 00:19:45,160 Speaker 4: He's got all of these so called fan sites. 302 00:19:45,480 --> 00:19:48,240 Speaker 6: But people are thinking that he just made all of 303 00:19:48,279 --> 00:19:50,279 these up because there's not very many people in the 304 00:19:50,279 --> 00:19:52,759 group and there's so many fan sites, Like why would 305 00:19:52,799 --> 00:19:56,279 there be forty fan sites with ten people in them 306 00:19:56,519 --> 00:20:01,440 a piece for this one model, right, So obviously he had. 307 00:20:01,359 --> 00:20:06,799 Speaker 3: Created fifty profiles. It was crazy uploading all of these selfies. 308 00:20:07,200 --> 00:20:08,640 It's like, by the. 309 00:20:08,599 --> 00:20:11,880 Speaker 4: Way, selfies like not even like he was there, you know, 310 00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:12,759 him in front of you. 311 00:20:12,920 --> 00:20:16,200 Speaker 3: He would photoshop his face onto other people's selfies. Really weird. 312 00:20:17,720 --> 00:20:24,240 Speaker 6: Yes, yeah, So then they track him down, find out 313 00:20:24,240 --> 00:20:29,000 he's in Canada in like Toronto and Montreal in these areas, 314 00:20:29,759 --> 00:20:34,440 and they find one picture of him and he's standing 315 00:20:34,480 --> 00:20:37,640 in front of McGill University, remember that in Montreal. 316 00:20:37,400 --> 00:20:38,559 Speaker 3: Right, and McGill University. 317 00:20:38,599 --> 00:20:40,680 Speaker 1: Again, I'm not saying there's a direct connection between mind 318 00:20:40,720 --> 00:20:44,240 control and this guy. We don't have any direct evidence 319 00:20:44,240 --> 00:20:46,240 of that. But McGill is interesting because it is the 320 00:20:46,319 --> 00:20:50,079 central university involved, one of the central universities in the 321 00:20:50,160 --> 00:20:54,480 mk ulture project. That's also the alma mater of Big 322 00:20:54,519 --> 00:20:55,599 New Brazinski himself. 323 00:20:56,240 --> 00:20:56,640 Speaker 4: Mm hmm. 324 00:20:57,480 --> 00:21:00,240 Speaker 6: So about the same time the cat killers, I mean, 325 00:21:00,279 --> 00:21:03,440 the cat detectives are trying to find this cat killer 326 00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:08,279 in Montreal, a murder happens, and so they think that 327 00:21:08,319 --> 00:21:11,559 they they're really close to catching the guy who's called cats, 328 00:21:11,880 --> 00:21:15,640 but they don't know that he's also just now graduated 329 00:21:15,680 --> 00:21:21,880 onto his first victim. 330 00:21:19,319 --> 00:21:20,119 Speaker 4: A Chinese guy. 331 00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:22,440 Speaker 3: Right. 332 00:21:22,519 --> 00:21:25,079 Speaker 1: And then also again I don't really know why they 333 00:21:25,079 --> 00:21:27,759 didn't talk about the cannibalism aspect of it, because this 334 00:21:27,920 --> 00:21:30,000 is a big part of the story in the media. 335 00:21:30,160 --> 00:21:31,960 Maybe the media just made that up or something. I 336 00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:33,680 don't know, But I mean, the story itself was just 337 00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:35,880 so crazy that the media didn't really have to make 338 00:21:35,880 --> 00:21:36,359 anything up. 339 00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:37,200 Speaker 3: It was so crazy. 340 00:21:37,279 --> 00:21:43,480 Speaker 1: So yeah, so they ended up tracking him down, they 341 00:21:43,680 --> 00:21:47,039 found his information. How was it they eventually caught it 342 00:21:47,079 --> 00:21:49,359 because he was using the internet cafes, right. 343 00:21:50,279 --> 00:21:54,519 Speaker 6: Well, they're simultaneously investigating this murder and then the cat 344 00:21:55,240 --> 00:21:58,960 detective people are sending them information like this guy he's 345 00:21:59,119 --> 00:22:00,519 been killing cats, you might want to. 346 00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:02,000 Speaker 4: Look into him. Whatever. 347 00:22:02,680 --> 00:22:07,640 Speaker 6: And then once they found it was weird because they 348 00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:11,400 found a torso in a suitcase, and they found in 349 00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:15,920 the dumpster nearby, like all of this bloody evidence and 350 00:22:16,039 --> 00:22:23,839 a dead dog and Luca's identification with the Chinese victims. 351 00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:25,920 So I'm like, who put that stuff in there? That 352 00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:29,480 makes absolutely no sense. So first they're thinking Luca is 353 00:22:29,480 --> 00:22:32,880 the victim because they didn't find a head or hands 354 00:22:33,079 --> 00:22:33,920 or feet. 355 00:22:35,240 --> 00:22:37,559 Speaker 1: Yeah, right right, I mean it's kind of crazy, like 356 00:22:37,599 --> 00:22:40,000 why would you do that? 357 00:22:40,839 --> 00:22:41,759 Speaker 3: It devised logic. 358 00:22:41,799 --> 00:22:43,200 Speaker 1: But I think in the case of a lot of 359 00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:48,039 these people, it almost seems like this guy wasn't associative. 360 00:22:48,079 --> 00:22:50,400 I mean, I don't think he actually really was, but 361 00:22:50,799 --> 00:22:52,000 he was living out. 362 00:22:51,839 --> 00:22:52,960 Speaker 3: A fantasy in his head. 363 00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:56,319 Speaker 1: And I've met a few people I had contact with, 364 00:22:56,359 --> 00:22:59,960 people who, for example, grew up on movies. They had 365 00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:03,599 the missing father, which was apparently I think the case 366 00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:04,279 with Luca. 367 00:23:05,759 --> 00:23:08,559 Speaker 3: They lived their life through. 368 00:23:08,759 --> 00:23:13,119 Speaker 1: The mirror image of Hollywood and the Hollywood stories. 369 00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:16,000 Speaker 3: And so what happens is that the archetypes. 370 00:23:15,559 --> 00:23:18,319 Speaker 1: Of Hollywood and the way Hollywood presents those archetypes gets 371 00:23:18,319 --> 00:23:21,200 impressed upon your mind and they kind of become a 372 00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:23,880 replacement father figure. They teach you how to be a man, 373 00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:26,599 how to operate in the world, what to do, and 374 00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:30,640 in his case, he's a perfect example of the Hollywood 375 00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:33,480 reflection of the attempt to be, on the one hand, 376 00:23:33,519 --> 00:23:36,720 a mastermind director, where you're like, you have a god 377 00:23:36,799 --> 00:23:39,400 complex that you're directing, you know, your own life. You're 378 00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:41,279 like the director of your own life, and you're some 379 00:23:41,319 --> 00:23:42,599 sort of god or something like this. 380 00:23:43,039 --> 00:23:44,000 Speaker 3: And then you're also the. 381 00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:46,839 Speaker 1: Star of your own story because you are the centerpiece 382 00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:49,640 of the universe, and you know you're telling the story. 383 00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:51,920 You're creating the story on the Internet, and it's now 384 00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:56,200 international news and everybody's searching for you. And you're layering 385 00:23:56,200 --> 00:23:59,119 it with these references to movies like American Psycho and 386 00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:04,599 Basic Instant, and it's just a bizarre twist of living 387 00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:08,519 out this alternate reality in your mind that doesn't match 388 00:24:08,599 --> 00:24:11,319 up actually to the to the to the external. 389 00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:13,559 Speaker 3: World, but in the in the realm of Hollywood. 390 00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:16,039 Speaker 1: One of the key things that Hollywood impresses upon people 391 00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:21,200 is the notion that you actually can live out this 392 00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:24,839 this fantasy world. Right, the fantasy world replaces the real world. Now, 393 00:24:24,839 --> 00:24:26,720 I mean Hollywood's not as important as it used to be. 394 00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:29,559 Right now, it's all switching over into streaming and video games. 395 00:24:29,599 --> 00:24:33,559 But you know, this guy grew up in the nineties, 396 00:24:33,559 --> 00:24:35,640 I guess, so he would be, you know, growing up 397 00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:39,960 watching movies like American Psycho, which I mean, when you're 398 00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:42,519 a kid, you don't really grasp satire or satire doesn't really 399 00:24:42,559 --> 00:24:45,240 make sense to you when you're a teenager. You know, 400 00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:47,599 you don't get satire until you're older, just like Natural 401 00:24:47,599 --> 00:24:48,480 More Killers as well. 402 00:24:48,519 --> 00:24:49,680 Speaker 3: Notice it's it's satire. 403 00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:51,680 Speaker 1: I didn't really get satire when I was, you know, 404 00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:56,480 fifteen or whatever when this movie came out, and so 405 00:24:57,000 --> 00:25:00,799 it can have a put an nihil stick effect on 406 00:25:00,839 --> 00:25:01,920 you if you don't get. 407 00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:07,160 Speaker 6: This is interesting because I just realized the common theme 408 00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:10,960 through all of these documentaries and cases that we're going 409 00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:15,519 to look at is that fame is more important than freedom, Like. 410 00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:16,680 Speaker 4: Fame is. 411 00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:23,000 Speaker 6: Well for Luca, you know, he was willing to take 412 00:25:23,039 --> 00:25:27,079 that risk to do commit these crimes and things because 413 00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:29,680 he wanted more attention m HM, and he wanted to 414 00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:31,119 be famous at all costs. 415 00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:33,400 Speaker 4: And then that's a common theme that I found. 416 00:25:34,599 --> 00:25:38,759 Speaker 1: So he was willing to risk you know, basically spending 417 00:25:38,759 --> 00:25:40,440 the rest of his life in prison if he could 418 00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:41,240 be famous like that. 419 00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:44,720 Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, yeah, I see. 420 00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:49,039 Speaker 6: And then well, some of the movies that they highlighted 421 00:25:49,079 --> 00:25:56,160 in this that he was into was Scarface, Casablanca. 422 00:25:56,599 --> 00:25:59,039 Speaker 4: He had a Castablanca poster hanging up. 423 00:26:00,079 --> 00:26:00,240 Speaker 3: Yeah. 424 00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:03,319 Speaker 1: He was obsessed with old Hollywood, so Bogart and Marlena 425 00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:04,359 Dietrich and. 426 00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:08,599 Speaker 4: These characters, and he was directing his own murder movie. 427 00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:10,079 Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying. That's what I was saying. 428 00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:13,400 Speaker 4: Yea, So he put that poster up. Catch movie can 429 00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:17,400 We talked about that and basic Instincts. So all kind of. 430 00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:24,680 Speaker 6: Intense movies with lots of killing and intrigue and twists. 431 00:26:28,839 --> 00:26:33,480 So then they started mailing body parts to Prime Minister, 432 00:26:34,799 --> 00:26:36,880 to government officials, to schools. 433 00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:38,880 Speaker 4: I think some feet went somewhere. 434 00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:40,000 Speaker 3: And this reminds me. 435 00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:42,480 Speaker 1: Of the story in the Book of Judges where the 436 00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:44,680 there's a how who gets cut up at the end 437 00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:47,359 of the Book of Judges and her parts get mailed 438 00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:51,759 to different people. So I wonder if he wasn't referenced, 439 00:26:51,839 --> 00:26:53,799 nobody would have caught that, you know, unless you're familiar 440 00:26:53,839 --> 00:26:55,319 with the Book of Judges. I don't know if he 441 00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:58,039 intentionally meant that. I think some people in the articles. 442 00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:01,880 There's a actually a article in the UK Mirror, which 443 00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:05,319 is tabloid, but sometimes tabloids actually have some some valid information. 444 00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:07,599 I don't mean Batboy in weekly World News, but I 445 00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:11,640 mean I'm seriously, I mean tabloids like the Mirror. 446 00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:14,200 Speaker 3: They will actually break stories that nobody else will. 447 00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:19,279 Speaker 1: And there's actually an interesting history of different intelligence agencies 448 00:27:19,319 --> 00:27:20,400 related to tabloids. 449 00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:22,440 Speaker 3: I'm not saying everybody at tabloid is a spy. I'm 450 00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:23,079 not saying that at all. 451 00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:25,400 Speaker 1: But if you're interested in more on that, you can 452 00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:27,519 go listen to the old, fascinating interview. 453 00:27:27,279 --> 00:27:29,799 Speaker 3: That I did with one of the. 454 00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:34,720 Speaker 1: Premiere famous paparazzo's, Charles. Look for that in the Jays 455 00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:39,279 Analysis archive bank Charles Piecraft not a real name, by 456 00:27:39,279 --> 00:27:42,559 the way, obviously, go listen to that interesting interview. He 457 00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:45,400 has some wild stories from ten years of being a 458 00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:47,640 paparazzi and. 459 00:27:47,319 --> 00:27:52,359 Speaker 3: He can tell you about the history of that relationship. 460 00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:55,039 Speaker 1: But The Mirror had an interesting article talking about the 461 00:27:55,079 --> 00:27:59,200 different movies that had clearly influenced him, and it should 462 00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:01,039 have been obvious. But I don't actually like the movie 463 00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:03,799 seven very much kind of gross. But yeah, mailing the 464 00:28:03,799 --> 00:28:05,039 body of parts that's from seven. 465 00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:09,759 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, you're right, You're totally right. 466 00:28:10,279 --> 00:28:14,519 Speaker 1: So the hollywoodization principle of the serial killer, which is 467 00:28:14,519 --> 00:28:16,759 we've covered many many times. We've covered that in the 468 00:28:16,759 --> 00:28:19,839 old day. McGowan analyses that we did the program to 469 00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:23,799 kill right other I just recently did the video on 470 00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:28,640 Signs of the Lambs. Go watch that video where we 471 00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:32,240 talk about the hollywoodization of the serial killer as a star. 472 00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:35,759 This goes back to Manson and perhaps earlier you could argue, 473 00:28:35,799 --> 00:28:38,160 but that's really what National Warren Killers is about. 474 00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:39,200 Speaker 3: Who's the real villain here? 475 00:28:39,359 --> 00:28:39,519 Speaker 7: Right? 476 00:28:39,599 --> 00:28:41,079 Speaker 3: Is it the media? 477 00:28:41,839 --> 00:28:44,680 Speaker 4: Or that was the moral of the story at the 478 00:28:44,759 --> 00:28:48,440 very end of the caj documentary. So it was crazy 479 00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:49,720 because after he did. 480 00:28:49,599 --> 00:28:55,079 Speaker 6: The murder, he went to Paris and then he went 481 00:28:55,160 --> 00:29:04,640 to Berlin, and by now the forties are after him, right, 482 00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:09,279 and he goes to Berlin, he goes to internet cafe 483 00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:12,440 and well, the documentary says that they caught him. 484 00:29:12,279 --> 00:29:15,240 Speaker 4: Because he was looking at himself online. 485 00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:18,599 Speaker 1: And I still don't understand how that how he got 486 00:29:18,599 --> 00:29:21,880 caught doing that though, like because his. 487 00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:25,119 Speaker 6: Name, his face was plastered like most wanted, you know, 488 00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:26,960 if you see this person. And then the guy that 489 00:29:27,079 --> 00:29:29,000 ran the internet cafe was like, hey, that looks like 490 00:29:29,039 --> 00:29:29,480 that dude. 491 00:29:30,039 --> 00:29:33,160 Speaker 3: The Internet cafe guy said that he looks like that guy. 492 00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:35,960 Speaker 6: Okay, I the dude that looks like the most wanted 493 00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:38,279 guy is looking at the most Wanted Guy's website, like 494 00:29:38,319 --> 00:29:40,599 looking at pictures of himself, And so that's how he 495 00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:41,119 caught him. 496 00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:44,319 Speaker 1: Yeah, so every time you google yourself, you're basically on 497 00:29:44,359 --> 00:29:45,400 the verge of getting docks. 498 00:29:47,079 --> 00:29:49,279 Speaker 3: But yeah, so his vanity was his downfall. That's the 499 00:29:49,359 --> 00:29:50,160 interesting thing here. 500 00:29:51,039 --> 00:29:57,440 Speaker 4: Yeah, and then I watched another YouTube video about him. 501 00:29:57,960 --> 00:29:59,279 Oh that was the thing. 502 00:29:59,559 --> 00:30:03,960 Speaker 6: Like, so they took him back into interrogation when they 503 00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:08,440 caught him, right, and they stick him in the room 504 00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:11,039 and they film him and they're trying to get details, 505 00:30:11,039 --> 00:30:12,960 and he's trying to pin it on this guy named. 506 00:30:12,839 --> 00:30:18,599 Speaker 4: Manny, like this mysterious guy named Manny. 507 00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:22,880 Speaker 3: Who he was? He was making me? 508 00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:28,599 Speaker 4: Yes, exactly who made me do it? Can you do Luca? 509 00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:32,920 Speaker 3: No, I'd have to hear him again. I I'd have 510 00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:34,200 to hear him again to do his voice. 511 00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:36,799 Speaker 1: But I was just thinking of who Manny would be 512 00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:39,480 many many Lopez or something like that. 513 00:30:39,559 --> 00:30:42,400 Speaker 4: Luca's voice was interesting and funny. 514 00:30:42,559 --> 00:30:44,960 Speaker 1: He is Zoolander. He's like if Zoolander was a real 515 00:30:45,039 --> 00:30:51,960 guy and was a cannibal. Yes, so yeah, this part 516 00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:54,200 was interesting and I didn't even catch because I've not 517 00:30:54,279 --> 00:30:55,319 seen Basic Instinct. 518 00:30:55,319 --> 00:30:56,599 Speaker 3: Gotta know what the story was. 519 00:30:56,640 --> 00:30:58,920 Speaker 1: But the whole thing of him asking for the cigarette 520 00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:00,799 and he's. 521 00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:05,319 Speaker 7: Doing the scene of Sharon Stone, yes by all the 522 00:31:05,359 --> 00:31:07,759 way down to like crossing and crossing his legs and 523 00:31:07,799 --> 00:31:10,279 asking for a cigarette, and so he was just living 524 00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:12,039 his own little movie inside his. 525 00:31:12,039 --> 00:31:17,599 Speaker 3: Head, right, yeah, so what do we get from this? Alliant? 526 00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:20,799 Speaker 1: And don't forget his lawyer. He chose the lawyer on 527 00:31:20,839 --> 00:31:23,880 the basis of the lawyer looking like Michael Douglass. 528 00:31:24,039 --> 00:31:26,559 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I chose you because lawyer. 529 00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:29,200 Speaker 1: Like so he's in other words, he's casting people. He's 530 00:31:29,279 --> 00:31:33,680 choosing he's casting people in his movie. He's like, you're 531 00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:34,880 the lawyer I want because you. 532 00:31:34,839 --> 00:31:36,960 Speaker 4: Look like Michael Douglass exactly. 533 00:31:37,079 --> 00:31:39,720 Speaker 1: It's like I'm playing the role of Christian Bale as 534 00:31:40,359 --> 00:31:43,359 you know, Sharon Stone and basic Instinct from American Psycho. 535 00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:46,400 Speaker 4: And he's like, Manny made me do it. 536 00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:50,279 Speaker 6: So they all the cat detectives go and watch Basic 537 00:31:50,359 --> 00:31:55,960 Instinct because he's acting like that, right, and in the movie, 538 00:31:56,359 --> 00:31:58,119 And that's how they figured out he's a character in 539 00:31:58,160 --> 00:31:58,920 the movie. 540 00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:01,160 Speaker 4: Yeah, that he just made up. 541 00:32:01,759 --> 00:32:03,160 Speaker 3: Since I've not seen it, I don't know. 542 00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:06,359 Speaker 1: Is Manny in the movie a fake character that Sharon 543 00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:07,160 Stone has made up? 544 00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:10,640 Speaker 4: I think Manny is who Sharon Stone killed for being 545 00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:17,000 abusive person or something O the boyfriend, So like abusive 546 00:32:17,039 --> 00:32:18,799 ex husband or somebody. 547 00:32:18,559 --> 00:32:22,000 Speaker 3: In the chapel know who Manny is in the story, they. 548 00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:26,039 Speaker 4: Can tell me. But so it had me going because, Okay, 549 00:32:26,039 --> 00:32:32,279 here's this kid. He looks like very slender and gentle 550 00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:36,839 and you know, obviously gay, but like not like violent looking. 551 00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:37,960 He looks really chill. 552 00:32:38,799 --> 00:32:43,880 Speaker 6: He talks goofy. But you know, it made you wonder 553 00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:46,920 like did he just get caught up in the sleazy 554 00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:50,559 world of escorts and politicians and high powered you know, 555 00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:53,440 snuff filmmakers or did. 556 00:32:53,319 --> 00:32:55,440 Speaker 4: He direct this all on his own? 557 00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:58,119 Speaker 1: And that's what I still he claims that, right, he 558 00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:01,319 claimed that he was uh thrown into this world of 559 00:33:01,519 --> 00:33:06,599 escorts and eight millimeter type movies. 560 00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:08,559 Speaker 3: If you've seen the Nick Cage typ movies, right, we 561 00:33:08,559 --> 00:33:12,759 don't want to say, those kinds of movies on YouTube. 562 00:33:12,079 --> 00:33:16,680 Speaker 1: So eight millimeters top Nick Cage movies. And then it 563 00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:20,279 turns out that it appears that this is all made up. 564 00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:22,759 There are, i will say, a couple of scenes where 565 00:33:22,799 --> 00:33:25,279 you almost believe that maybe it's true, because there's a 566 00:33:25,279 --> 00:33:28,400 scene where he comes out of an apartment building after 567 00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:29,519 he had committed. 568 00:33:29,119 --> 00:33:32,720 Speaker 3: The murder and he appears to have a tape. 569 00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:35,759 Speaker 1: Or something and then they say, you know that he's 570 00:33:35,759 --> 00:33:38,559 going to have to take this tape to his handler 571 00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:42,400 or whatever, and so it almost seems plausible. But then 572 00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:46,720 apparently nobody could turn up any evidence of this manny character. 573 00:33:46,799 --> 00:33:48,680 So the mom of course throughout the whole thing is 574 00:33:48,759 --> 00:33:49,720 kind of backing him up. 575 00:33:49,759 --> 00:33:52,160 Speaker 3: But so that was interesting. 576 00:33:52,839 --> 00:33:55,880 Speaker 1: Let's move to natural born Killers because we are going 577 00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:59,759 to have a separate analysis after this. This is a 578 00:33:59,799 --> 00:34:01,240 part one, So if you guys want to hear the 579 00:34:01,279 --> 00:34:04,200 part two of what are we gonna cover, We're gonna 580 00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:06,519 cover Katy Perry in her background. 581 00:34:06,559 --> 00:34:08,679 Speaker 3: We're gonna cover her the background of. 582 00:34:08,639 --> 00:34:10,400 Speaker 1: And this is interesting, right, so you think, well, who 583 00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:12,800 cares about these pop stars? Well, there's actually an interesting 584 00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:15,320 history behind a lot of these pop stars and a 585 00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:19,079 lot of money and powerful interests that go into making 586 00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:22,760 these pop stars into the products that they are, and 587 00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:25,000 many of them have breakdowns, and so we're gonna cover 588 00:34:25,079 --> 00:34:26,239 some of that kind of stuff because I think a 589 00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:27,599 lot of people don't know about this. 590 00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:29,280 Speaker 3: That'll be in part two. 591 00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:31,920 Speaker 1: We're gonna have a separate stream after this that's gonna 592 00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:35,519 be planned. It's the UNI eight stream. I'm I have 593 00:34:35,519 --> 00:34:39,440 to move out till about five fifteen, five twenty and 594 00:34:39,599 --> 00:34:42,800 some another say thirty forty minutes for that stream. But 595 00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:49,440 let's move on now to the topic of Natural Born Killers. 596 00:34:50,119 --> 00:34:52,480 I did a lot of notes on this. I might 597 00:34:52,519 --> 00:34:54,920 do a different video just on Natural More Killers. But 598 00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:59,280 going back and watching Natural More Killers, it's from ninety four, 599 00:34:59,559 --> 00:35:01,880 it's just like, Man, this. 600 00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:03,159 Speaker 3: Movie nailed it. 601 00:35:03,159 --> 00:35:06,880 Speaker 1: It nailed everything about where we are, everything about the 602 00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:11,400 idealization of the serial killer, everything about the narcissism, reflection, 603 00:35:12,639 --> 00:35:15,760 symbiotic relationship of the media, and now how the Internet 604 00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:17,760 and social media has kind of taken on that role 605 00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:20,280 the critique of mass culture. 606 00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:23,239 Speaker 3: There is a bit of revelation that there's a bit 607 00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:26,039 of revelation of the method involved in this. What we're 608 00:35:26,079 --> 00:35:29,199 gonna say, child abuse. 609 00:35:30,519 --> 00:35:32,760 Speaker 1: Yes, that's right, because the Julie I didn't remember this. 610 00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:37,039 The Juliet Lewis character is has an abusive relationship with 611 00:35:38,679 --> 00:35:43,480 Ronnie Dangerfield, right at all, I tell you she's abused 612 00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:47,159 by her dad. Ronney Dangerfield looks nothing like Lewis. I 613 00:35:47,159 --> 00:35:50,039 don't know how that was her dad, but so let's 614 00:35:50,039 --> 00:35:53,039 talk about that. So we see at the beginning of 615 00:35:53,079 --> 00:35:55,159 the film there's a desert, there's. 616 00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:56,119 Speaker 3: Wolves, and there's snakes. 617 00:35:56,199 --> 00:36:01,400 Speaker 1: Right, So the text mex Desert Demon demons in the 618 00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:05,159 wilderness America is a haunted desert. 619 00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:07,159 Speaker 3: Almost This is a theme that comes up in a 620 00:36:07,159 --> 00:36:07,800 lot of movies. 621 00:36:08,159 --> 00:36:12,639 Speaker 1: And we see a TV screen of channel Channel Channel 622 00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:13,679 Channel Channel. 623 00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:16,400 Speaker 3: TV show TV show, TV show TV show. Right, this 624 00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:18,639 is going to tie perfectly with Luca. Luca is the 625 00:36:18,639 --> 00:36:22,480 perfect example of Mickey and Mallory. 626 00:36:23,159 --> 00:36:24,079 Speaker 4: Yeah, I know. 627 00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:29,280 Speaker 6: And he was even trying to tie himself with other 628 00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:34,519 serial killers. Like someone started a rumor that he was 629 00:36:34,599 --> 00:36:37,679 dating another serial killer lady the. 630 00:36:37,679 --> 00:36:38,800 Speaker 3: Other serial calls. 631 00:36:39,159 --> 00:36:41,199 Speaker 4: Yeah, they were a couple serial killers. 632 00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:44,880 Speaker 1: So there's this Canadian couple, uh that Barbie and Kin. 633 00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:47,679 They're called the barbian Ken doll Killers. They don't look 634 00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:49,480 like Barbie or Kin. I don't know why they got 635 00:36:49,519 --> 00:36:52,840 that appellation. They're quite mediocre. 636 00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:54,920 Speaker 3: Looking in terms of their their looks. 637 00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:56,599 Speaker 4: It's like they're Canadian. 638 00:36:56,880 --> 00:37:01,000 Speaker 3: Okay, So the Canadian level of hatty is different from Audie. Okay, 639 00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:01,840 So no. 640 00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:04,519 Speaker 1: Offense all you leafs, because the leafs are going to 641 00:37:04,559 --> 00:37:06,519 be mad now and unsubscribing. By the way, you can 642 00:37:06,559 --> 00:37:09,440 support us through super chats if you want to ask us, 643 00:37:10,039 --> 00:37:12,559 uh serial killer experts. 644 00:37:12,159 --> 00:37:15,760 Speaker 3: Here on Jason elf any super chat questions. 645 00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:19,559 Speaker 1: But so yeah, if we go back to the way, 646 00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:23,840 so the National Killers presents us immediately with the attempt 647 00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:26,320 to see the world through the reflection of a of 648 00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:29,280 a movie screen, of a TV screen. H And again, 649 00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:34,639 even though the movie is about TV and TV is 650 00:37:34,679 --> 00:37:37,440 not as big as it was in the nineties, it's 651 00:37:37,519 --> 00:37:41,280 applicable perfectly now to social media. I mean, Luca Magnata 652 00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:45,159 is the again the emblem of all of that TV 653 00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:48,480 stuff and nineties movies and so forth as applied to 654 00:37:48,559 --> 00:37:53,159 social media. Again, the perfect example of what the right 655 00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:55,840 ear and the different people from from Facebook and those 656 00:37:55,880 --> 00:38:00,679 those different engineers said was designed. Social media is designed 657 00:38:00,679 --> 00:38:04,760 to do and design to create. So they see Serial 658 00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:08,199 Killers as superstars. They see them as a group of 659 00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:11,880 people to aspire to be because it's almost like the 660 00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:17,360 true American rebel is the most opposed, right, I mean, 661 00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:22,400 if the establishment media calls these people out as villains, 662 00:38:22,559 --> 00:38:24,960 then to be a rebel is to be one of 663 00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:25,480 these people. 664 00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:30,880 Speaker 6: Well, that goes along with what I would talk about 665 00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:35,960 several years ago called dark hero programming. Yes, okay, so 666 00:38:36,199 --> 00:38:39,599 instead of identifying with the hero like Batman or Superman, 667 00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:43,480 used to start to identify with the Joker character or 668 00:38:43,599 --> 00:38:48,239 the villain like a Watchman or something, because the world 669 00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:51,840 is so corrupt that there are no ideals to stand 670 00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:54,679 up for anymore, and it has to be inverted the Joker. 671 00:38:55,159 --> 00:38:57,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, so pure Boker is a good example. Donnie Darko 672 00:38:58,119 --> 00:39:00,480 was kind of a version of this. Batman is the 673 00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:01,559 classic dark hero. 674 00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:02,559 Speaker 3: Right. 675 00:39:02,639 --> 00:39:08,000 Speaker 1: So the nihilism that results of relativism least to nihilism, 676 00:39:08,079 --> 00:39:09,800 and the nihilism results in will. 677 00:39:09,679 --> 00:39:11,880 Speaker 3: To power, Well, I might as well just enforce my. 678 00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:14,199 Speaker 1: Because everything in the world is just will to power. 679 00:39:14,559 --> 00:39:17,360 This actually comes up in Mickey's speech. Mickey actually says 680 00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:19,960 this at a crucial point in the film. But before 681 00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:23,159 you get to that, we have the Great sequence at 682 00:39:23,159 --> 00:39:26,280 the beginning when they start killing at this diner or whatever, 683 00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:28,840 and you hear L seven. 684 00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:36,079 Speaker 4: You make my shit list list. 685 00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:38,639 Speaker 1: If you've never heard this song, That's exactly what happens 686 00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:41,880 right that. I remind because it just makes me think 687 00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:44,480 of riding around in high school with Ben listening to 688 00:39:44,559 --> 00:39:46,119 shit lists by L seven. 689 00:39:46,159 --> 00:39:47,400 Speaker 3: But anyway, shout out to Ben. 690 00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:50,599 Speaker 1: There on that one we see them riding down route 691 00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:55,280 six sixty six. That's an appropriate road because there's consistent 692 00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:58,880 satanic and demonic themes. 693 00:39:58,519 --> 00:39:58,960 Speaker 3: In the film. 694 00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:01,840 Speaker 1: They're actually going to continue they see demons, especially when 695 00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:06,599 they get to their initiation experience in the lodge with 696 00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:10,199 none other than Russell means if you've ever if you 697 00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:13,079 were a long time Jones a listener, then you remember 698 00:40:13,599 --> 00:40:19,199 Russell means. Russell means the famous Indian story. He's some 699 00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:20,920 sort of politician, I think exactly. 700 00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:26,559 Speaker 4: That was an interesting party, oh am I cutting out, No, 701 00:40:26,639 --> 00:40:30,039 you're good. Oh. That was an interesting part of the 702 00:40:30,039 --> 00:40:38,639 movie because it just shows you the whole chaoticness of. 703 00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:42,280 Speaker 6: It because the the story he was telling him was 704 00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:44,320 about the snake that you know they saved, and the 705 00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:47,039 snake bit him. Is like what you've heard that tale, right, 706 00:40:47,079 --> 00:40:48,440 what did you think I was gonna do as a snake? 707 00:40:48,719 --> 00:40:49,440 Speaker 4: You know that I was? 708 00:40:49,639 --> 00:40:53,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, and Trump used that story in the campaign, which 709 00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:56,719 was funny, except he applied it to like a something else, 710 00:40:56,800 --> 00:40:59,320 like a scorpion or something like that. 711 00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:00,840 Speaker 4: But yeah, mm hmm. 712 00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:04,679 Speaker 3: Yeah. So so he sees himself. 713 00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:08,199 Speaker 6: Like a snake, I mean, because they are so far 714 00:41:08,519 --> 00:41:13,599 possessed that they're just going to destroy everything in their path, 715 00:41:13,639 --> 00:41:14,639 even something that's trying to help. 716 00:41:15,119 --> 00:41:17,639 Speaker 4: You know that Russell Mean's character was right. 717 00:41:17,679 --> 00:41:20,840 Speaker 1: So before they get to the initiation stage, though, we 718 00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:24,679 see a flashback to their origin stories, both of the 719 00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:28,679 of these characters. And when Malory, which by the way, 720 00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:32,679 the beginning of her name is mal malice right in Latin, 721 00:41:33,119 --> 00:41:35,880 when we reflect upon her origin story, she sees her 722 00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:38,000 life as a sitcom. So she grew up watching I 723 00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:40,440 don't know these Archie Bunker or whatever whatever she keeps 724 00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:43,679 appealing to in her head, mixed with mixed with married 725 00:41:43,679 --> 00:41:47,480 with children or something. And and so the Rodney Dangefeld character, 726 00:41:47,559 --> 00:41:49,159 you know, is abusive to her. 727 00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:54,000 Speaker 3: She's been abused in an obviously creepy way. 728 00:41:54,639 --> 00:41:58,440 Speaker 1: And this has resulted in her dissociation and screwed up. 729 00:41:58,679 --> 00:42:04,079 Uh persona Mickey comes in to save her. Mickey sees 730 00:42:04,119 --> 00:42:07,159 everything as a Western, right, so he he grew up 731 00:42:07,199 --> 00:42:09,719 on Westerns and whatever. I don't even I don't know 732 00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:12,280 anything about Western Bonanza or some shit. So he sees 733 00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:14,559 everything as Westerns and he's there to be like this 734 00:42:14,679 --> 00:42:17,360 hero character. But he's not really a hero in the 735 00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:18,960 sense of the of their being virtue. 736 00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:21,079 Speaker 3: He's just a hero in the sense of doing whatever 737 00:42:21,119 --> 00:42:23,719 the f he wants. Right. He's a he's a dark 738 00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:28,679 hero outlaw. He's an outlaw exactly right. Uh, Indian outlaw 739 00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:33,639 jerky and hall ee. She's a tip of a hall 740 00:42:34,239 --> 00:42:34,719 She's one of. 741 00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:40,719 Speaker 6: The What was interesting about that scene was that when 742 00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:43,360 the origin story of hers was coming out, when they 743 00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:46,599 were having the dialogue about her being molested or whatever, 744 00:42:46,719 --> 00:42:50,119 it was as if it was a sitcom with a 745 00:42:50,199 --> 00:42:52,639 laugh track, and so they were delivering the lines and 746 00:42:53,119 --> 00:42:57,760 people people were laughing at the the joke that was 747 00:42:58,119 --> 00:42:59,119 her being molested. 748 00:42:59,239 --> 00:43:02,719 Speaker 1: Her life, right, everything is a joke. Absurdism. 749 00:43:03,159 --> 00:43:08,480 Speaker 3: What's the church of the subgenus thing? What's the whole world? Right? 750 00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:09,400 But what's the worldview? 751 00:43:09,519 --> 00:43:15,320 Speaker 1: It's Discordian absurdist type of worldview. Yeah, so yeah, everything's nihilistic. 752 00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:19,320 Speaker 3: Let's see what else to have my notes about Mickey. 753 00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:22,840 So they have a snake wedding ring. The eternal return 754 00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:26,840 of the Oboros of Nietzsche is mentioned explicitly. It comes 755 00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:28,760 at multiple times. Snake snake snakes. 756 00:43:29,719 --> 00:43:32,719 Speaker 1: Then we have the interesting introduction of the character of 757 00:43:33,199 --> 00:43:36,559 Wayne Gail, Who's funny because Wayne Gail is played by 758 00:43:36,639 --> 00:43:40,719 Robert Downey Junior, who's this uh, he's an Australian sort 759 00:43:40,760 --> 00:43:48,400 of Inside Edition Heraldo meets Inside Edition meets h what's 760 00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:50,239 the John what's. 761 00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:53,239 Speaker 3: His name from? Not Catch a Predator but Chris Hansen. 762 00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:56,480 Speaker 1: No, well this is before Chris Hansen, who's the guy 763 00:43:56,559 --> 00:43:59,559 that did the America's Most Wanted. That guy says like 764 00:43:59,559 --> 00:44:02,159 a mix of all these guys into one guy who's like, 765 00:44:02,239 --> 00:44:02,760 you know. 766 00:44:02,719 --> 00:44:04,960 Speaker 3: Oh, I'm gonna I'm on this scene. I'm gonna you know. 767 00:44:05,039 --> 00:44:09,039 Speaker 1: And then he gets the great interview eventually with with Mickey, 768 00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:12,559 and so we see that the Hollywood Killers are serialized. 769 00:44:13,079 --> 00:44:15,480 Wayne Gale presents his version of the story. That part 770 00:44:15,519 --> 00:44:18,639 was really funny because rather than them just being killers, 771 00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:22,199 he presents Mallory like Rambo and so she's like, got 772 00:44:22,199 --> 00:44:25,239 this bazooka and she's taken out people. So a really 773 00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:28,119 interesting commentary on how the media then takes the stories 774 00:44:28,119 --> 00:44:31,199 of the serial killers blows them up again, sort of 775 00:44:31,199 --> 00:44:35,519 echoing the Dave mcgallan take, also perhaps echoed in the 776 00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:37,639 Once Upon a Time in Hollywood. I think there's an 777 00:44:37,679 --> 00:44:42,599 element of this in Tarantino's most recent movie. Again, Tarantino 778 00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:47,119 is who he producer, directed this, and then Oliver Stone 779 00:44:47,119 --> 00:44:50,159 did something Anyway, Now Oliver Stone, it's it's an it's 780 00:44:50,199 --> 00:44:52,159 a Stone Tarantino production. 781 00:44:52,599 --> 00:44:54,719 Speaker 3: So you're gonna get elements of both of those guys here. 782 00:44:54,760 --> 00:44:57,920 Speaker 1: But the serial killers are Hollywood eyed. Part of the 783 00:44:57,960 --> 00:45:01,559 story is a mythology. And then the point here being 784 00:45:01,719 --> 00:45:07,840 is that the the product of this is a it's 785 00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:10,840 unclear as to who really the villain is. Is the 786 00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:14,559 villain actually the media who makes these people famous is 787 00:45:14,599 --> 00:45:18,519 the villain? Hollywood who satirizes and propels these stories. 788 00:45:19,119 --> 00:45:22,039 Speaker 3: Is the villain the serial killer? Or they're all villains? Right? 789 00:45:22,519 --> 00:45:25,400 And I think that this is the incoherence. One last point, 790 00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:26,880 The incoherence. 791 00:45:26,239 --> 00:45:31,679 Speaker 1: Of this is shown in their tattoos. Right, do you 792 00:45:31,719 --> 00:45:33,280 do you remember that they're all they're all. 793 00:45:33,159 --> 00:45:36,360 Speaker 3: Tatted up and all their tattoos make absolutely no sense. Right. 794 00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:38,159 So there's a tattoo that deals with like love. 795 00:45:38,719 --> 00:45:41,320 Speaker 1: There's a tattoo of a yin yang, which is like 796 00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:44,800 the whole evil good dialectic which comes up all throughout 797 00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:47,239 the movie that good is evil, evil's good. There's a 798 00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:51,639 tattoo of the almost a caduceis of two snakes, the 799 00:45:51,639 --> 00:45:55,199 there's the tattoo of a scorpion, and the tattoo of Jesus. 800 00:45:56,480 --> 00:45:56,960 Speaker 3: This is a. 801 00:45:58,719 --> 00:46:04,079 Speaker 1: Incoherent, just zibber jabber got gaggle of nonsense of tattoos 802 00:46:04,119 --> 00:46:06,360 that mean absolutely everything and nothing all at once. 803 00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:08,280 Speaker 3: It's it's a. 804 00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:11,440 Speaker 1: Totally if you look at their tattoos, what they believe in, right, 805 00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:15,159 what they stamp themselves with as believing in. It's kind 806 00:46:15,199 --> 00:46:19,039 of like the typical American, isn't it a concatenation, a 807 00:46:19,119 --> 00:46:22,960 cafeteria approach of getting a dab of this, a daba 808 00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:26,199 that daba that all together into a pile of nonsense. 809 00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:28,079 Speaker 4: Oh, that's a good way to put it. 810 00:46:29,239 --> 00:46:32,840 Speaker 6: Remember two, when you were talking about who's the to 811 00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:36,760 blame or who's the villain the there was also the 812 00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:39,679 detective character who was obsessed with Mallory. 813 00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:43,880 Speaker 1: And would get Yes, the size Tom Sizemore plays the 814 00:46:44,039 --> 00:46:48,239 obsessed p I who just wants to, you know, get 815 00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:49,440 it on with Juliet Lewis. 816 00:46:49,519 --> 00:46:53,760 Speaker 6: Right, yeah, so even the good guys are bad guys 817 00:46:54,320 --> 00:46:56,880 in this. And then also the Tommy Lee Jones character 818 00:46:56,960 --> 00:46:59,480 who when they went to his prison he was the warden. 819 00:46:59,599 --> 00:47:01,719 Speaker 4: He became famous. So everybody is. 820 00:47:02,039 --> 00:47:06,639 Speaker 1: Profiting yeah, right, a serial killer market, right, becomes this 821 00:47:06,719 --> 00:47:10,440 whole industry exactly. That's another interesting critique, And and I 822 00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:13,760 think that there's an element of insight that we could 823 00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:17,119 get from Mickey, because Mickey actually makes my argument against 824 00:47:17,199 --> 00:47:23,199 Darwinism and against materialism. He says, look, if if the 825 00:47:23,239 --> 00:47:26,039 world is just competing forces of good and evil, or 826 00:47:26,079 --> 00:47:29,719 if the world is just naturalistic process, then what we 827 00:47:29,840 --> 00:47:32,159 call life and what we call death are just flip 828 00:47:32,239 --> 00:47:34,519 sides of the same coin, and they're both equally necessary. 829 00:47:34,519 --> 00:47:38,159 There's not really any value judgment between one being good 830 00:47:38,199 --> 00:47:41,440 and one being bad. They just are right, yeah, and 831 00:47:41,480 --> 00:47:43,760 they're just they're just part of the evolutionary process. They're 832 00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:46,360 just part of the nevating or bios nietzsche An eternal 833 00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:47,320 return cycle. 834 00:47:48,159 --> 00:47:51,639 Speaker 6: Well, he was talking about the snake just hunts. 835 00:47:51,719 --> 00:47:53,880 Speaker 4: It does what it does that both kills, it does. 836 00:47:54,079 --> 00:47:59,800 Speaker 6: It doesn't have any remorse or discretion when it just 837 00:48:00,159 --> 00:48:04,840 does that. And he's saying that he is that soul 838 00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:07,280 is killer and you can't say he's good or bad. 839 00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:08,400 Speaker 4: He just is a killer. 840 00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:14,000 Speaker 3: He just is, Yeah, just like a natural force is 841 00:48:14,079 --> 00:48:14,800 in the world. 842 00:48:14,960 --> 00:48:17,360 Speaker 1: So he sees himself kind of like if you've seen 843 00:48:17,360 --> 00:48:20,480 No Country for Old Men, Right, Anton Sugar sees himself 844 00:48:20,519 --> 00:48:22,840 as just a force of nature. He's just a determined 845 00:48:22,840 --> 00:48:25,760 force of nature like anything else. Why is one action 846 00:48:26,320 --> 00:48:28,599 good another action evil? And we have to keep in 847 00:48:28,679 --> 00:48:31,559 mind too that the serial killer phenomenon had a huge 848 00:48:31,599 --> 00:48:35,800 impact on altering American society. It was a huge sy 849 00:48:35,960 --> 00:48:39,639 op in the sense of it being useful to adamize 850 00:48:39,679 --> 00:48:42,679 society and remove everybody's innocence and all this kind of stuff. 851 00:48:42,760 --> 00:48:42,960 Speaker 6: Right. 852 00:48:43,320 --> 00:48:47,920 Speaker 3: So notice also that US culture in the film determines 853 00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:51,880 global culture. Right. You have all of the other you 854 00:48:51,880 --> 00:48:54,480 see like MTV Japan or something like this, and they're 855 00:48:54,519 --> 00:48:57,559 like we love Malarihiki, very rebel. 856 00:48:57,760 --> 00:49:00,320 Speaker 1: You know, you see all these people doing all over 857 00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:02,920 the world. It's like all these different cultures are emulating 858 00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:03,760 American culture. 859 00:49:04,599 --> 00:49:08,239 Speaker 3: Why are you immimating? Why are you emulating this degenerate culture. 860 00:49:08,239 --> 00:49:12,280 It's ridiculous, by the way. And also before you say. 861 00:49:12,079 --> 00:49:15,360 Speaker 1: That, keep in mind too, two scenes very reminiscent of 862 00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:19,360 David lynch films Lost Highway and Wild at Heart. 863 00:49:19,679 --> 00:49:21,840 Speaker 3: Two very reminiscent scenes. The scene where they're in. 864 00:49:21,800 --> 00:49:25,400 Speaker 1: The desert with Mickey and Mallory just just like the 865 00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:27,960 Wild at Heart, very close to the Wilde Heart scene 866 00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:30,840 with Sailor and Loula Belle in the desert. And then 867 00:49:32,199 --> 00:49:36,440 this movie is in between Lost Highway and h. 868 00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:42,760 Speaker 3: I just went blank, what's the other David Waldehart, excuse me? 869 00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:45,679 Speaker 1: Wilde Heart and then and then Lost Highway. So that 870 00:49:45,840 --> 00:49:48,679 the scene where they're at the mechanic when when she 871 00:49:48,840 --> 00:49:52,599 runs off, it's actually the Peat The Peak character is 872 00:49:52,599 --> 00:49:54,159 a mechanic who's tempted. 873 00:49:55,039 --> 00:49:56,960 Speaker 3: That's exactly what happens in Lost Highway. 874 00:49:57,039 --> 00:50:00,159 Speaker 1: The same actor, the Peak character playing the mechanic, they 875 00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:04,639 tempted with Rosanna Arquette, who's the mobster's you know, girlfriend, 876 00:50:05,039 --> 00:50:07,840 So in this case it's the girlfriend. 877 00:50:07,360 --> 00:50:08,960 Speaker 3: Of the serial killer, right, not the mobster. 878 00:50:09,039 --> 00:50:12,800 Speaker 1: But very very just a curious thing I noticed there 879 00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:14,840 with similarities to the David Lynch films. 880 00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:24,679 Speaker 3: But go ahead, So let's see. 881 00:50:26,199 --> 00:50:28,840 Speaker 1: A lot of scenes where we see out windows and 882 00:50:29,119 --> 00:50:32,480 outside the window, the world is viewed like a movie. 883 00:50:33,559 --> 00:50:36,719 The outside world viewed like a movie. That's the whole 884 00:50:36,719 --> 00:50:37,760 meaning of this movie. 885 00:50:38,679 --> 00:50:41,239 Speaker 3: So then we get to their We'll get to their initiation. 886 00:50:41,360 --> 00:50:41,719 Go ahead. 887 00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:45,360 Speaker 4: They were doing psychedelics, all right, this is there. 888 00:50:45,440 --> 00:50:47,400 Speaker 3: So they go to the sweat lodge. 889 00:50:47,599 --> 00:50:49,400 Speaker 1: I remember how they come to this, but they get 890 00:50:49,519 --> 00:50:53,199 they take shrooms and they trip out with this Indian shaman. 891 00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:56,360 I wrote down something about a song. I don't remember 892 00:50:56,400 --> 00:51:05,039 what song they were singing. They see demons. The the 893 00:51:05,039 --> 00:51:08,920 shaman looks at at Mickey and he sees. 894 00:51:08,639 --> 00:51:11,360 Speaker 3: His face morph into the demonic and he's like you 895 00:51:11,440 --> 00:51:14,320 are He's like, you are evil? 896 00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:16,480 Speaker 4: Yeah, And so. 897 00:51:16,519 --> 00:51:19,159 Speaker 1: Mickey and Mallory then just like go crazy once again. 898 00:51:19,280 --> 00:51:22,039 And then I think maybe it's the little kid is 899 00:51:22,079 --> 00:51:24,079 like you people are evil and then he runs off, 900 00:51:25,119 --> 00:51:28,599 and uh, this is I think again. If we think 901 00:51:28,599 --> 00:51:31,239 of America as a place of quote innocence in the 902 00:51:31,239 --> 00:51:35,159 forties and fifties, right, Mickey and Mallory being after the 903 00:51:35,159 --> 00:51:39,119 sixties counterculture, they represent the loss of innocence in the 904 00:51:39,159 --> 00:51:44,159 next phase in the process of cultural cultural collapse and decay. 905 00:51:44,760 --> 00:51:46,559 Speaker 3: Then then they represent. 906 00:51:47,480 --> 00:51:50,280 Speaker 1: The reason they're constantly referred to as snakes is that 907 00:51:50,320 --> 00:51:51,679 they're like snakes. 908 00:51:51,320 --> 00:51:54,039 Speaker 3: In the garden of Eden, right, they're all they're the 909 00:51:54,039 --> 00:51:55,320 they're the snake. 910 00:51:55,400 --> 00:51:59,760 Speaker 1: That's that's like Satan destroying the innocence of of Eden. 911 00:51:59,800 --> 00:52:02,199 Speaker 3: Not in America. Actually literally was you know Eden? Or 912 00:52:02,320 --> 00:52:02,760 was innocent? 913 00:52:02,800 --> 00:52:05,920 Speaker 1: I'm saying that that symbology is being used here and 914 00:52:05,960 --> 00:52:07,880 all of a sudden actually does this symbology and other 915 00:52:07,880 --> 00:52:09,679 films if you've seen You Turn, he does the exact 916 00:52:09,679 --> 00:52:13,400 same thing, because you realize that this desert town that 917 00:52:13,960 --> 00:52:17,760 spoiler alert that Sean Penn is stuck in is almost 918 00:52:17,920 --> 00:52:21,840 kind of hell. Basically, it's either purgatory or hell. And 919 00:52:21,880 --> 00:52:24,079 there's there's you know, snakes and this kind. 920 00:52:23,920 --> 00:52:30,079 Speaker 3: Of stuff going on in this desert town as well. So, oh, 921 00:52:30,079 --> 00:52:31,840 they get bitten by the snake too, don't forget that 922 00:52:31,880 --> 00:52:32,639 they're bitten. 923 00:52:32,360 --> 00:52:34,440 Speaker 4: By Yeah, she gets that's how they get caught. 924 00:52:34,840 --> 00:52:39,800 Speaker 3: Right, It's all an illusion. 925 00:52:39,880 --> 00:52:44,239 Speaker 1: It's all if surrealism comes up illusion this kind of stuff, 926 00:52:44,840 --> 00:52:47,119 and they think that it's all an illusion because of 927 00:52:47,920 --> 00:52:50,280 TV and movies, right, and that the world of TV 928 00:52:50,360 --> 00:52:52,800 and movies, it's all illusion. And then the real world 929 00:52:52,840 --> 00:52:56,360 has been blended with it's all illusion in Hollywood. So 930 00:52:56,440 --> 00:52:58,679 now the real world is a illusion, and that's what 931 00:52:58,840 --> 00:53:02,960 surrealism is real them the idea that there's no literal, there's. 932 00:53:02,719 --> 00:53:04,960 Speaker 3: Literally no separations in a waken state, in the dream state. 933 00:53:06,480 --> 00:53:10,159 M h everybody. So this is what Stefan said. 934 00:53:10,320 --> 00:53:11,960 Speaker 1: He's like, every time I get on camera and my 935 00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:13,840 nose starts ithing the same with me, and then people 936 00:53:13,840 --> 00:53:14,360 are he. 937 00:53:14,360 --> 00:53:18,320 Speaker 3: Does coke, he does coke. He just he does coke. No, dude, 938 00:53:18,320 --> 00:53:18,960 I have allergies. 939 00:53:18,960 --> 00:53:20,760 Speaker 1: I'm in my library. There's a lot of dust everyone 940 00:53:20,760 --> 00:53:23,239 in this library. So my nose is always itching. So 941 00:53:24,199 --> 00:53:27,519 I'm not or here doing lines like scarface. 942 00:53:29,639 --> 00:53:32,920 Speaker 6: Throughout the movie, they show the fans of Mickey and 943 00:53:32,960 --> 00:53:35,039 Mallery just like as if they're on tour. 944 00:53:35,760 --> 00:53:38,480 Speaker 3: Oh, they're like tour, they're touring. I didn't even think 945 00:53:38,480 --> 00:53:40,119 about that they're doing a tour across the. 946 00:53:40,239 --> 00:53:43,280 Speaker 6: US because when you said, like all the Japanese people like, oh, 947 00:53:43,320 --> 00:53:46,199 we love making me married, I'm like, that just happened. 948 00:53:46,199 --> 00:53:48,519 And all through these documentaries, they you know, they always 949 00:53:48,519 --> 00:53:50,199 have to have the shots of all the adoring fans 950 00:53:50,199 --> 00:53:52,559 in every country, but they put that in National War 951 00:53:52,639 --> 00:53:55,079 Killers too, so like the serial Killers. 952 00:53:54,840 --> 00:53:56,719 Speaker 3: Are on tour exactly. Good point. 953 00:53:56,800 --> 00:53:59,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's almost like, even though there's not live stream, 954 00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:02,559 I mean yet when we have the prison sequence, it's 955 00:54:02,599 --> 00:54:06,840 almost like they're like, quick, quick, quick, they're doing a 956 00:54:06,880 --> 00:54:08,880 revolution in the prison. Get it on film, So it's 957 00:54:08,880 --> 00:54:10,920 like a live stream. It's a live streaming of the 958 00:54:10,960 --> 00:54:14,079 prison revolution in the middle of the super Bowl. I 959 00:54:14,119 --> 00:54:16,400 thought that was interesting. The super Bowl keeps coming up 960 00:54:16,719 --> 00:54:20,320 because the super Bowl itself is ridiculous. 961 00:54:21,159 --> 00:54:25,800 Speaker 3: A giant social engineering mechanism. And then and then we're. 962 00:54:25,639 --> 00:54:26,920 Speaker 4: Gonna talk about the Super bowler. 963 00:54:27,039 --> 00:54:27,280 Speaker 3: Yeah. 964 00:54:27,480 --> 00:54:28,920 Speaker 1: So in part two, by the way, we will get 965 00:54:28,920 --> 00:54:31,039 to the super Bowl, this year's super Bowl. We're gonna 966 00:54:31,039 --> 00:54:34,960 break it down with expert super Bowl analyst Jamie Hanshaw. 967 00:54:34,960 --> 00:54:37,000 We're going to talk about the other big pop stars 968 00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:39,760 in there, weird backstories. Jamie has done a lot of 969 00:54:39,760 --> 00:54:43,800 research on this. But we're gonna close this discussion up 970 00:54:43,840 --> 00:54:46,480 pretty soon. I did want to mention again that the 971 00:54:46,519 --> 00:54:49,880 most relevant scene in the whole film is Mickey's interview, 972 00:54:50,320 --> 00:54:54,800 almost like it's reminiscent of the Barbara Walters Charles Manson interview. 973 00:54:55,000 --> 00:54:59,599 You know where I mean, he's Mickey's a little more eloquence. 974 00:54:59,159 --> 00:55:03,519 Speaker 3: Than Charles geeble gabble, I'm the darkness in a lot. 975 00:55:05,239 --> 00:55:07,840 Mickey is more eloquent than the madness of Charles. 976 00:55:07,960 --> 00:55:08,079 Speaker 6: Uh. 977 00:55:08,119 --> 00:55:11,239 Speaker 1: And he actually gives a coherent argument on the bases 978 00:55:11,519 --> 00:55:13,599 of naturalistic materialism. 979 00:55:13,719 --> 00:55:17,320 Speaker 3: Right, so the most, that's the most, that's the key 980 00:55:17,360 --> 00:55:17,719 thing to. 981 00:55:17,679 --> 00:55:20,519 Speaker 1: Take away from this film is that that's the world 982 00:55:20,599 --> 00:55:26,840 view of Americanism. That's the world view of naturalism, Darwinism, materialism, 983 00:55:26,920 --> 00:55:28,400 hollywoodism is. 984 00:55:30,360 --> 00:55:31,840 Speaker 3: So they live stream the prison break. 985 00:55:32,199 --> 00:55:35,119 Speaker 1: He talks about reincarnation, reincarnation is the you know, Nietzsche 986 00:55:35,119 --> 00:55:37,400 and eternal return, transmigration. 987 00:55:36,760 --> 00:55:42,280 Speaker 3: Of soul circle. Remember what's uh, what's Rust's. 988 00:55:42,000 --> 00:55:45,920 Speaker 1: Line from from True Detective. 989 00:55:47,039 --> 00:55:50,760 Speaker 3: I don't know thought about a flat circle? How you escaped? 990 00:55:50,840 --> 00:55:52,119 Going on? I know. 991 00:55:54,039 --> 00:55:57,599 Speaker 4: He says, I can smell the shackles. 992 00:55:57,519 --> 00:56:03,159 Speaker 3: Smell it's a internal return exactly. Yeah, that's Nietzsche reincarnation. 993 00:56:03,320 --> 00:56:04,639 So Plato, mm hmm. 994 00:56:06,599 --> 00:56:07,880 Speaker 4: Let's struck me about. 995 00:56:07,559 --> 00:56:11,239 Speaker 6: The end of about the end when they're doing the 996 00:56:11,280 --> 00:56:13,800 live stream and the prison break, you could You might 997 00:56:14,599 --> 00:56:18,079 even say that it was the media's fault that the 998 00:56:18,119 --> 00:56:20,599 prison riot happened and they were allowed to escape. 999 00:56:20,599 --> 00:56:22,599 Speaker 3: Oh, the media wanted the prison ride. They're like, oh, 1000 00:56:22,639 --> 00:56:25,440 this is perfect, get this, get it, help it on, 1001 00:56:25,599 --> 00:56:25,719 you know. 1002 00:56:26,599 --> 00:56:30,480 Speaker 1: And then and that so that comes up in and again, 1003 00:56:30,679 --> 00:56:34,239 perfect mirror image of this in the Luca Magnetic character, 1004 00:56:34,920 --> 00:56:37,360 just like the Jake John Hall movie Nightcrawler. If you've 1005 00:56:37,360 --> 00:56:41,119 not seen Nightcrawler, I recommend that the same same idea there, 1006 00:56:41,320 --> 00:56:43,480 go back and listen to my interview with Sean Helton 1007 00:56:44,079 --> 00:56:45,519 from five four. 1008 00:56:45,440 --> 00:56:47,760 Speaker 3: Or five years ago where we did a really good analysis. 1009 00:56:47,760 --> 00:56:50,440 He did a great write up on a Nightcrawler. 1010 00:56:50,440 --> 00:56:52,880 Speaker 1: Sean also has a great analysis of National Warren Killers 1011 00:56:52,920 --> 00:56:54,599 too on my website, so you can go check out 1012 00:56:54,679 --> 00:56:55,519 Shawn's analysis. 1013 00:56:55,559 --> 00:56:59,880 Speaker 3: But go ahead, I guess that's. 1014 00:56:59,800 --> 00:57:04,119 Speaker 4: Why I had to say about Ashbourn Killers. 1015 00:57:05,519 --> 00:57:07,679 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, don't forget that Wayne Gaale in the midst 1016 00:57:07,719 --> 00:57:10,679 of the revolution in the prison he congratulates them like 1017 00:57:10,719 --> 00:57:12,840 they're they're both actors in the same play. 1018 00:57:14,039 --> 00:57:16,639 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, great performance, great. 1019 00:57:16,519 --> 00:57:18,480 Speaker 4: Performance, authentic life or something. 1020 00:57:18,679 --> 00:57:20,960 Speaker 3: Great performance, Mickey, great performance. 1021 00:57:21,119 --> 00:57:25,679 Speaker 6: He's broken the fourth wall and now he's like actually 1022 00:57:25,800 --> 00:57:28,000 in it. Instead of just reporting on. 1023 00:57:27,920 --> 00:57:33,239 Speaker 1: It exactly, Yes, doing that gonzo thing of inserting yourself 1024 00:57:33,280 --> 00:57:35,440 into the story like mister Hunter S. 1025 00:57:35,480 --> 00:57:36,519 Speaker 3: Thompson did so famously. 1026 00:57:36,559 --> 00:57:39,840 Speaker 1: All right, so thank you for that, Jamie. Part two 1027 00:57:39,960 --> 00:57:43,239 we'll be either later tonight or tomorrow. Jamie and I 1028 00:57:43,239 --> 00:57:45,719 will do the rest of this stream. If you want that, 1029 00:57:45,800 --> 00:57:48,519 you can subscribe at jasonalysis dot com at the PayPal 1030 00:57:49,039 --> 00:57:53,280 links or the card services there. You can also subscribe 1031 00:57:53,280 --> 00:57:58,360 here at YouTube YouTube under the joint section and those 1032 00:57:58,400 --> 00:58:00,360 get posted. And yes, I know I'm behind on the 1033 00:58:00,360 --> 00:58:03,559 part two of Genesis, the Final Electron Genesis, that will. 1034 00:58:03,480 --> 00:58:04,760 Speaker 3: Be up in the next few days as well. 1035 00:58:05,480 --> 00:58:08,840 Speaker 1: And then right after this, don't go anywhere. We're switching 1036 00:58:08,840 --> 00:58:12,079 gears over to theology, and we have an answer to 1037 00:58:12,199 --> 00:58:18,360 the stream relating to challenges from the Uniates and. 1038 00:58:18,039 --> 00:58:19,719 Speaker 3: Everybody I'm sure is familiar with the. 1039 00:58:19,639 --> 00:58:26,960 Speaker 1: Flanders conversion story, We're going to have a reverse conversion story. 1040 00:58:27,639 --> 00:58:29,400 We're going to be interviewing a person who moved from 1041 00:58:29,519 --> 00:58:32,440 Uniitism into Orthodoxy and he's going to give us his 1042 00:58:32,480 --> 00:58:37,360 account of the audities and inconsistencies of the world of 1043 00:58:37,440 --> 00:58:40,480 the Uniates, the Byzantine Catholics, the melchites and so forth. 1044 00:58:40,559 --> 00:58:43,119 So that'll be up in the next ten minutes, so 1045 00:58:43,199 --> 00:58:44,960 stay around for that if you want to move on 1046 00:58:45,039 --> 00:58:49,000 to the theological stream that we're gonna have here in 1047 00:58:49,000 --> 00:58:49,480 a little bit. 1048 00:58:49,639 --> 00:58:53,719 Speaker 3: Thank you, Jamie, appreciate that. And we'll have to stick. 1049 00:58:53,559 --> 00:58:56,320 Speaker 4: Around for part two. It's gonna be Kay Perry Lady 1050 00:58:56,360 --> 00:59:00,320 gagas Taylor Swift the Super Bowl this year and in 1051 00:59:00,559 --> 00:59:03,679 Disney's new satanic cartoon called The Owl House. 1052 00:59:03,800 --> 00:59:06,320 Speaker 3: Oh yes, I've heard of this, but I've not checked 1053 00:59:06,320 --> 00:59:06,599 it out. 1054 00:59:06,639 --> 00:59:11,039 Speaker 1: So there's this bizarre, creepy Disney cartoon that is super 1055 00:59:11,199 --> 00:59:13,679 esoteric in a negative way. 1056 00:59:14,320 --> 00:59:15,000 Speaker 3: So yeah. 1057 00:59:15,039 --> 00:59:17,559 Speaker 1: And by the way, I was talking about Jonathan Pagot earlier, 1058 00:59:17,639 --> 00:59:18,400 and I will be doing a. 1059 00:59:18,400 --> 00:59:20,840 Speaker 3: Critique of Pegoe since he has a voubt. 1060 00:59:20,840 --> 00:59:25,880 Speaker 1: He has decided to do passive aggressive statements of making 1061 00:59:25,880 --> 00:59:29,559 fun of conspiracies, laughing at conspiracies. Imagine in the in 1062 00:59:29,599 --> 00:59:33,599 the era of jeff Stein Effrey laughing at conspiracies. Right, 1063 00:59:34,559 --> 00:59:36,800 So I guess he wants to position himself as king 1064 00:59:36,840 --> 00:59:37,400 of Normy's. 1065 00:59:37,440 --> 00:59:40,159 Speaker 3: Okay, dude, we'll see about that. We'll do a critique 1066 00:59:40,239 --> 00:59:42,719 of his positions coming up. 1067 00:59:43,400 --> 00:59:45,000 Speaker 1: We're not in a hurry to do this. Maybe in 1068 00:59:45,039 --> 00:59:47,119 the next few weeks, maybe a few months. 1069 00:59:47,159 --> 00:59:47,719 Speaker 3: We'll see. 1070 00:59:48,159 --> 00:59:49,400 Speaker 1: I got a lot of stuff I got to do, 1071 00:59:49,480 --> 00:59:52,039 got a lot of books to get together, putting together 1072 00:59:52,079 --> 00:59:52,599 two books. 1073 00:59:53,719 --> 00:59:54,800 Speaker 3: But anyway, thank you all. 1074 00:59:55,480 --> 01:00:00,039 Speaker 1: Come back for the Uniate Critique stream in the next 1075 01:00:00,679 --> 01:00:01,639 ten fifteen minutes. 1076 01:00:01,679 --> 01:00:02,559 Speaker 3: I'll better have a good night.