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Speaker 2: are already be aware of, if not plan accordingly, The
Speaker 2: Governor's Cup game next week when the Cats host Louisville,
Speaker 2: hopefully the streak comes to an end. But I mean,
Speaker 2: I don't have the energy to really even talk about
Speaker 2: that matchup today. I mean I could if I really,
Speaker 2: you know, tried, but you know, I don't want to
Speaker 2: think about that game. Although the way in which you
Speaker 2: lost to Stanford makes it to where like hard to
Speaker 2: imagine something making you feel worse than that, But you know,
Speaker 2: the rivalry that's different. That's a loss or a win
Speaker 2: where the emotional impact you get rather a be negative
Speaker 2: or positive, is a little bit stronger than most games.
Speaker 2: But anyways, it's gonna kick off at now no surprise,
Speaker 2: not exactly a big time game for any network. So
Speaker 2: noon in Lexington next Saturday. Louisville against pitt this Saturday,
Speaker 2: their final home game of the season, Senior Day.
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Speaker 3: So realcoie.
Speaker 2: Before we dive back in here, I asked earlier, you know,
Speaker 2: I think I might have just mentioned earlier when it
Speaker 2: comes to like the worst upsets of all time, we
Speaker 2: ran through the worst losses that they've had as far
Speaker 2: as where they were favored by a lot of points
Speaker 2: and lost outright, this is the fifth worst upset when
Speaker 2: it comes to that kind of stuff. And I said, look,
Speaker 2: it really just depends on I mean, there's no way
Speaker 2: to prove what is in fact the worst loss of
Speaker 2: all time. That's all dependent upon each individual and how
Speaker 2: they see it. But somebody did send in a picture
Speaker 2: on the text line of the visitors side at Stanford,
Speaker 2: and it looks almost like a home game. I mean,
Speaker 2: it doesn't really look like a home game because you
Speaker 2: know it would be beat I mean, if if that's
Speaker 2: what a home crowd looked like at Stanford and there
Speaker 2: were that many people there but still be really bad.
Speaker 2: But like there were seemingly a lot more Lowiwville fans
Speaker 2: at that game, then maybe some of the other road
Speaker 2: games they've been on this year, because obviously, you know,
Speaker 2: going to that part of the country it's I mean,
Speaker 2: you can make that a real fun trip. And I mean, look,
Speaker 2: if you're going to this game, you were there Saturday
Speaker 2: and you're from like around here, I would imagine the
Speaker 2: reason you picked that one is more than anything because
Speaker 2: of the destination, right, Like, maybe you love that area
Speaker 2: of the country. You think it's beautiful, there's certainly a
Speaker 2: lot to do. Maybe it's a place you've never been
Speaker 2: before and you wanted to experience it, and you also
Speaker 2: get to watch your football team play. But one of
Speaker 2: the factors that you decided or one of the factors
Speaker 2: that led to you deciding to make the road trip
Speaker 2: to this game was probably because you didn't have to
Speaker 2: worry about a loss maybe impacting your experience on that trip.
Speaker 2: To California. Well, you were wrong, and that sucks. So
Speaker 2: this person who texted in that picture said, even if
Speaker 2: he did not go to the game, he probably would
Speaker 2: have said that was the worst loss he's ever watched
Speaker 2: for Louisville just because of the way it ended.
Speaker 3: And yeah, I mean the.
Speaker 2: Specific errors that were made at the end of that
Speaker 2: game that led to Stanford being able to win that
Speaker 2: game on a last second field goal in regulation. Again,
Speaker 2: just think about how it played out. I mean, I
Speaker 2: don't believe for a second that anybody was out there
Speaker 2: trying to give them the game. And I don't think
Speaker 2: I need to like defend my I don't think I
Speaker 2: need to clarify, like just so you know, don't take
Speaker 2: me serious, because like I would never say that. But again,
Speaker 2: if you think about what could happen for Stanford to
Speaker 2: win that way, where that kicker gets the opportunity to
Speaker 2: come out there and end it on his senior day,
Speaker 2: I mean, every little thing the end that Louisville did,
Speaker 2: either on offense or on defense with those silly penalties,
Speaker 2: I mean, that's that's how it that's how you get
Speaker 2: that result. So a punch to the gut, no doubt
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Speaker 2: hundred is the number. But I do want to kind
Speaker 2: of just pick up where we left off. There were
Speaker 2: a couple of callers towards the end of the end
Speaker 2: of the three o'clock hour that I agree with some
Speaker 2: of the things they said. I also wanted to kind
Speaker 2: of react to some of the things they said. So
Speaker 2: for those of you just now joining us, when it
Speaker 2: comes to the I'll start with the staff. We'll start
Speaker 2: with the most recent call and work our way back
Speaker 2: because Jerry, I believe it was, Yeah, Jerry called in
Speaker 2: and you know, talked about having Jeff's back, still thinking
Speaker 2: he's the guy for the job, and you know he
Speaker 2: wants to be here and that matters to Louisville fans.
Speaker 2: But then saying that he needs to not just look
Speaker 2: at Ron English, but look at some other members of
Speaker 2: his staff, including his offensive coordinator, which as you know,
Speaker 2: is his little brother Brian. And then Greg is the
Speaker 2: chief of staff, Like I think that's his actual title.
Speaker 2: So maybe he's not the director of ops, but yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, he's not somebody that is actually a staffer
Speaker 2: in regards to like position a specific unit rather be
Speaker 2: special teams offense, defense. I think his title is just
Speaker 2: chief of staff. He had that same role I believe
Speaker 2: at Purdue. And I'll just say this, I'm friends with
Speaker 2: with Greg. I know Greg more than I know Brian
Speaker 2: or Jeff, and I've known him longer than I've known
Speaker 2: any of those. And it's not like I'm hanging out
Speaker 2: with all the broms and we're all, you know, getting
Speaker 2: wings and beer and best buddies. But like, you know,
Speaker 2: I don't I hear what Jerry's saying as far as
Speaker 2: Jeff having Greg in his ear during some of those
Speaker 2: big decisions. And what we'll never know is what is
Speaker 2: said right Like it is Jeff, you know, hearing good
Speaker 2: advice from people on the sideline, including his brother, but
Speaker 2: he just is like, yeah, you know, I know more
Speaker 2: than you.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna do what I want to do.
Speaker 2: We don't know, and we'll never know, like what exactly
Speaker 2: has said, like whenever he gets input from his staff,
Speaker 2: regardless of who it is, as far as what decision
Speaker 2: they're about to make, I mean, unless you're on that
Speaker 2: headset or unless you're on the sideline, we're never going
Speaker 2: to know. But given the fact that Jeff runs the offense,
Speaker 2: his OC is his younger brother Brian, And to be honest,
Speaker 2: Brian has made mention of this before. And I don't
Speaker 2: think he did it to like I mean, I mean,
Speaker 2: I think he was just being honest. It wasn't really
Speaker 2: something he went out of his way to say. But
Speaker 2: I picked up on it that when it comes to
Speaker 2: like what kind of influence that he has as the
Speaker 2: offensive coordinator when clearly Jeff Brohm is calling the plays,
Speaker 2: you know, he kind of made it, you know, pretty
Speaker 2: clear that he doesn't have much input, you know, because
Speaker 2: Jeff's gonna do what he wants to do. So like
Speaker 2: you if you if you're worried about that, because here's
Speaker 2: what I think has played out this year.
Speaker 3: Jeff.
Speaker 2: I think the decisions he made against Clemson to take
Speaker 2: field goals was a sign that he may have learned
Speaker 2: the hard way when he was you know, not taken
Speaker 2: three and going forward on fourth earlier this year and
Speaker 2: not getting it, which let's be honest, that's one of
Speaker 2: many factors that kept you from winning some of those games.
Speaker 2: So like, maybe he learned the hard way that he
Speaker 2: made that decision, and now he's not going to be
Speaker 2: as risky, or at least, you know, he's gonna be
Speaker 2: a little more selective when he decides to go forward
Speaker 2: on fourth down. Or maybe it's his staff that's telling
Speaker 2: him like, hey, we told you so, or maybe they're saying, look,
Speaker 2: I know this is what you want to do, but
Speaker 2: let's consider how things have played out, and maybe he
Speaker 2: listened to him. Like we'll never really know, but I
Speaker 2: think because it is family members, you know, you have
Speaker 2: people are just and look, people know these guys, right,
Speaker 2: Like I don't want to act like everybody in town
Speaker 2: can just pull out their cell phone and call the
Speaker 2: brom family, but like we all know that there's a
Speaker 2: lot of people in this area that have familiarity with
Speaker 2: them on personal level, some of them, So you know,
Speaker 2: I think it's not really saying that that's a reason
Speaker 2: for Louisville being a six and fourteen. That's underwhelming, that's undisciplined.
Speaker 2: But like I can see why some fans when you
Speaker 2: have a loss that plays out the way it did
Speaker 2: on Saturday and a six and fourteen that should be better,
Speaker 2: you start to think, like, hey, are these guys maybe
Speaker 2: giving him advice, But because they're the brothers, he doesn't.
Speaker 3: Listen to them.
Speaker 2: And again, I don't think that's a crazy theory for
Speaker 2: a fan to have, but like we'll never know the answer.
Speaker 2: And I'll just say this about Bram himself. If you
Speaker 2: gon't have Jeff Bram making decisions and calling plays, what
Speaker 2: I mean not to say he's only good for that,
Speaker 2: but like that's why Jeff Bram is respected so much
Speaker 2: as a football coach, because he's a phenomenal play caller. Now,
Speaker 2: he's not perfect. He's clearly made some bad calls earlier
Speaker 2: this year, He's made some bad decisions, but you know what,
Speaker 2: like not to defend and I know today's not the
Speaker 2: day to defend him. Like, you know, we aren't just
Speaker 2: coming off one of the worst losses ever here, but
Speaker 2: there are times where Jeff took a risk and it
Speaker 2: didn't work out.
Speaker 3: It burned him.
Speaker 2: But sometimes like he'll he does that and the call
Speaker 2: like the design worked but like a god dropped a pass,
Speaker 2: or you got to the spot and the ref didn't review,
Speaker 2: you know, if you actually got to the first down marker.
Speaker 2: So again, I'm not trying to act like those all
Speaker 2: were great decisions, but I'm just saying, like I have
Speaker 2: no worries about Bram being good enough to call the place,
Speaker 2: like the offense is not the problem here. Let's be real,
Speaker 2: like the offense has not been a problem for you
Speaker 2: this year really at all. And that's not to say
Speaker 2: that they've been they've been perfect, but nobody is like
Speaker 2: when it comes to statistics, like, lol, his offense is fine,
Speaker 2: So you know, I don't I don't know if he'll
Speaker 2: like here. Here's what I'll say about the whole coordinators situation.
Speaker 2: I'll get to ron English in a second, But when
Speaker 2: it comes to Brian, I've always felt like Brian wouldn't
Speaker 2: be here that long because let's be honest, he's in
Speaker 2: oc he's been in that position. I mean, he joined
Speaker 2: Jeff's staff at w KU, and I don't remember if
Speaker 2: he joined us the quarterbacks coach or if he ended
Speaker 2: up joining as the OC. But he's in OC, but
Speaker 2: he hasn't really had the chance to run an offense
Speaker 2: call the plays because again, Louisville's one of those teams
Speaker 2: and there's a lot of teams out there like that
Speaker 2: where their coach is the OC because that's what he does,
Speaker 2: and that's Jeff. So like if Brian got an opportunity
Speaker 2: to go be an OC elsewhere and call plays, and
Speaker 2: maybe he takes the OC job at a program that
Speaker 2: is not Louisville's caliber, some would say, geez, what are
Speaker 2: you doing. Well, that's probably people who don't realize, yeah,
Speaker 2: he's now he's going to go get a chance to
Speaker 2: actually call plays and really kind of, you know, show
Speaker 2: what he can do when it comes to that, because
Speaker 2: let's be honest, like when Jeff was the OC at
Speaker 2: Western Kentucky when Bobby was there, and when he was
Speaker 2: the OC whenever Bobby.
Speaker 3: Was at Louisville.
Speaker 2: Like we all love Jeff and clearly he already had
Speaker 2: a great, great reputation in football when it comes to
Speaker 2: his time in the NFL, he did consulting all that
Speaker 2: kind of stuff. So like he's a smart football mine offensively,
Speaker 2: everybody knows that. But like he wasn't getting a whole
Speaker 2: lot of credit for Louisville's dynamic offense. He's he probably
Speaker 2: was a factor in it to some extent, but everybody
Speaker 2: knew Boby calls to play.
Speaker 3: It's the same thing with Jeff.
Speaker 2: So, like, you know, if Brian was to get an opportunity,
Speaker 2: like I think they'd be great for him, and maybe
Speaker 2: it would eventually then be good for Jeff as well,
Speaker 2: because he could go hire somebody that, you know, who
Speaker 2: knows maybe he isn't going to be half the play
Speaker 2: caller and the OC that his brother Brian is. We'll
Speaker 2: never know, you know, until a situation like this's played
Speaker 2: out and you had time to, you know, to revisit
Speaker 2: it and see results. But I'm just saying, like, because
Speaker 2: it's his brother, it might make it to where if
Speaker 2: it's a proven OC that is in his little brother,
Speaker 2: then maybe he would be a little bit more receptive
Speaker 2: to guidance on stuff. But again, I just I don't
Speaker 2: want a lie to you guys and say that, Like,
Speaker 2: I think one of the problems and one of the
Speaker 2: reasons why Louisville is in the situation they're in this
Speaker 2: year is because Jeff is is, you know, not being
Speaker 2: challenged by his staff to make difference. Say, like, I
Speaker 2: know some people disagree, and that's totally fine, Like I
Speaker 2: understand it, but like I'm willing to like I'm willing
Speaker 2: to live with him being risky at certain times now
Speaker 2: and if it doesn't work, then, hey, it didn't work,
Speaker 2: and you know that was in hindsight you can say, well,
Speaker 2: that was a bad decision because it was a risk
Speaker 2: and you took the calculated risk and you didn't get
Speaker 2: it done. So I hear what you're saying when it
Speaker 2: comes to like maybe he shouldn't lean on family so
Speaker 2: much like with Greg, I mean, he's everywhere and he
Speaker 2: looks phenomenal on TV. You see him getting off the
Speaker 2: bus when they show when they show the team of
Speaker 2: ribin places like, he's usually right there next to Jeff
Speaker 2: and at times you do see him right next to
Speaker 2: him talking to him, but like without knowing at all
Speaker 2: what he's saying and what their conversations are or if
Speaker 2: he's taking advice from him or he's not, like for
Speaker 2: all we know. And again I'm not saying that I
Speaker 2: believe this, but I'm just saying, like, for all we know,
Speaker 2: it could be like any decision that was made that
Speaker 2: ended up, you know, being one that led to it
Speaker 2: not working out right, like a risk that you took
Speaker 2: and it burns you.
Speaker 3: Maybe Greg's the one yelling at him what do you do?
Speaker 2: And this is we can't do this, and maybe Jeff
Speaker 2: just decides, hey, I'm going to make the decisions because
Speaker 2: it's it's my job.
Speaker 3: I'm the head coach. Like we don't know.
Speaker 2: So again I get why people bring that up, but
Speaker 2: like I can't tell you that I think that's like
Speaker 2: a huge issue here because again, even if you were
Speaker 2: even if you were upset with with you know, Bron
Speaker 2: being the Jeff's Jeff's brother Brian a legend here as
Speaker 2: well being the OC, there's not results that you can
Speaker 2: point to to say, well, this isn't working. They need
Speaker 2: to make a change. Now on the defensive side, yes,
Speaker 2: you need to make a change. And as far as
Speaker 2: who that is and what that looks like, I mean,
Speaker 2: I don't know. But to one of our callers earlier,
Speaker 2: who I thought made a good point, I mean, Jeff's
Speaker 2: never really had a defensive coordinator that was super successful
Speaker 2: you know. I mean Jeff's success at Purdue and at
Speaker 2: Western was was based mostly off of offense, where they
Speaker 2: just found themselves in shootouts and sometimes they got it done. Now,
Speaker 2: clearly their defense was a big enough issue to where
Speaker 2: they couldn't they couldn't. I mean, look, they won some
Speaker 2: pretty big games at Purdue, and when you're doing that
Speaker 2: against good teams like Ohio State and you know, Iowa
Speaker 2: in their top ten, I mean you're you're doing it
Speaker 2: with the defense on.
Speaker 3: The field as well.
Speaker 2: Like they didn't just decide, they didn't just let the
Speaker 2: offenses go back and forth. I mean that you know,
Speaker 2: you got you got to play defense, so you know,
Speaker 2: But yes, I think Ron English followed Jeff to Purdue
Speaker 2: because Jeff at that point, at that time, timing's really
Speaker 2: important with this kind of stuff. He found somebody that
Speaker 2: gave him better results defensively than he'd ever has it
Speaker 2: he's ever had as a head coach. So I think
Speaker 2: it makes sense to bring him along to Louisville. And
Speaker 2: last year the defense was phenomenal early on, I mean
Speaker 2: they were good. That's why Louisville was good early last year.
Speaker 2: Their offense wasn't terrible, but man like. It wasn't it
Speaker 2: wasn't special, it wasn't what we thought we were getting,
Speaker 2: you know, when when Jeff was hired and now this
Speaker 2: you know, But but it all fell apart late last year,
Speaker 2: and I think there were a variety of reasons for that.
Speaker 2: The summer, you had Ron English telling folks after one
Speaker 2: of the first practices of camp, or maybe it was
Speaker 2: after spring practice I remember, which I think it might
Speaker 2: have been earlier. It might have been earlier in fall
Speaker 2: camp where he said, if you want to point fingers
Speaker 2: and find somebody to blame, and I'm paraphrasing here that
Speaker 2: he said, blame me, blame Ron English. Well, this was
Speaker 2: his chance to do better this year, and you know
Speaker 2: it's so clearly just to not. And I'm not saying
Speaker 2: he's a terrible DC to where like, how would anybody
Speaker 2: employ him? This guy's terrible because I'll be honest with you,
Speaker 2: I've never been embedded into a college football staff to
Speaker 2: where I know exactly like you know, I can't tell
Speaker 2: you what it is about Ron English that makes the
Speaker 2: results not be good, but I can tell you this,
Speaker 2: the results aren't good.
Speaker 3: And that's the job.
Speaker 2: You got to get results and it'd be different if
Speaker 2: you inherited or you had a roster defensively that like
Speaker 2: you just knew these guys were trying really hard, but man,
Speaker 2: what are you gonna do? And LO almost had teams
Speaker 2: like that too before, by the way, I mean, I mean,
Speaker 2: I think some Louisville defenses at times, like the defense
Speaker 2: that Charlie Strong inherited, like that defense was pretty productive.
Speaker 2: That defense was pretty reliable. I don't think they had
Speaker 2: half the talent that this defense has, so it doesn't
Speaker 2: really matter why it's not working, but it's not working.
Speaker 2: And the way in which you know they've been undisciplined
Speaker 2: really all year at times, and nothing looks worse on
Speaker 2: a DC, in my opinion, than when nobody seems to
Speaker 2: know what the hell's going on, and that the defense
Speaker 2: really looked like that, more so early on this year
Speaker 2: than they have as of late. But like guys running
Speaker 2: in not knowing what they're doing. I mean, I remember,
Speaker 2: I mean, I'll never forget it. It was against SMU.
Speaker 2: I believe you got a guy running out there with
Speaker 2: his hands in the air, like I don't think I'm
Speaker 2: supposed to be doing this, but I don't know, so
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna run on the field when they're about
Speaker 2: to snap it like it was embarrassing, and that's that's
Speaker 2: that's on your DC. That's that's the guy. So you know,
Speaker 2: I just don't see a scenario where he's back. But again,
Speaker 2: that's just maybe that's maybe maybe I'm wrong, Maybe Jeff
Speaker 2: is really comfortable working with Ron English. But here's the thing.
Speaker 2: If Jeff decided to bring back Ron English, I think
Speaker 2: there'd be fans that would just turn their energy being
Speaker 2: anti Ron English to maybe not being anti Jeff Brohm,
Speaker 2: because that doesn't sound possible. But like at that point,
Speaker 2: you're still choosing to keep a guy around that is
Speaker 2: clearly not doing a good enough job, Like that's on you,
Speaker 2: and look, it is on him.
Speaker 3: At the end of the day.
Speaker 2: Jeff is responsible for everything, and he says that every
Speaker 2: chance he gets, anytime you hear from him on a
Speaker 2: pro game press conference, a weekly press conference, his coaches
Speaker 2: show he knows when they struggle and they lose and
Speaker 2: there's things they need to be fixed, it falls on him.
Speaker 2: And that's all you can do in that position, and
Speaker 2: a lot of coaches don't do that. But I'm glad
Speaker 2: that he does. But you know, even though he says that,
Speaker 2: I'm sure he's probably not looking around at his entire
Speaker 2: staff and thinking, hey, you guys are the best and
Speaker 2: you know I'm failing you.
Speaker 3: Now, maybe he does. I don't know.
Speaker 2: But as far as who would replace Ron English, I mean,
Speaker 2: your guess is as good as mine. I mean, there's
Speaker 2: been some names floated out there by Louisville fans. Not
Speaker 2: to say that like it's in the works, but like
Speaker 2: that who they would prefer. We can certainly get into
Speaker 2: that on the other side. But I mean, look here
Speaker 2: here's another thing that, like, I don't it's hard to
Speaker 2: envision this being the scenario, but like, what if the
Speaker 2: defense comes out against Pittsburgh and Kentucky and they're phenomenal
Speaker 2: and like you win those games because of defense. Again,
Speaker 2: I'm not saying that it would happen, but like it
Speaker 2: also isn't the craziest thing ever, because I've never really
Speaker 2: felt like the defense lacked the personnel to be able
Speaker 2: to go out and get stops consistently get off the
Speaker 2: field on third down. Because again we're talking about things
Speaker 2: that aren't necessarily talent related. It's okay, can you just
Speaker 2: avoid making a silly mental mistake like what we saw
Speaker 2: play out the other day at the end of the game,
Speaker 2: or you know, why did you just why did you
Speaker 2: take your foot off the guests? Like where's the urgency?
Speaker 2: You were tackling really well early. Now you're arm tackling
Speaker 2: and guys are carrying you five yards.
Speaker 3: Like it's just like they're not well led, they're not
Speaker 3: well run, and that's the issue.
Speaker 2: But if they come out and play well, I mean
Speaker 2: maybe I don't know, Like there's two games left, and
Speaker 2: let's be real, if the defense looks great and Ron
Speaker 2: English is a guy that we're praising after the the
Speaker 2: Kentucky game, then you know, maybe fans are advocating for
Speaker 2: him to stay because you know that win would mean
Speaker 2: a lot. But really, from start to finish this year, well,
Speaker 2: let me back up, not start to finish, because the
Speaker 2: first two games, I mean, it's hard to really know
Speaker 2: what I mean. They were making some silly mistakes and
Speaker 2: silly penalties in those games, but you didn't know what
Speaker 2: to make of it because look of who they're playing.
Speaker 2: But really, from from the Georgia Tech game on the defense,
Speaker 2: you know they've they've been timely at times and they've
Speaker 2: made plays to where you know, you get the ball back. Hey,
Speaker 2: we're down seven. Now we got the ball back. Let's
Speaker 2: go see what we can do. Like they they've not
Speaker 2: been terrible, but they just should be better. And again
Speaker 2: that falls on English. And if I was Jeff prom
Speaker 2: I would I would make the move at the end
Speaker 2: of this season.
Speaker 3: And and there's certain.
Speaker 2: Things I would really focus on as far as what
Speaker 2: I'm looking for in that role. But you know what,
Speaker 2: Jeff brom knows a lot more than me, and that's
Speaker 2: a reason why he's making millions of dollars to coach
Speaker 2: this program and make those tough decisions. All right, quick break,
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Speaker 4: Well, it's back to work obviously. You know we've got
Speaker 4: work to do and in ways, plenty of things we
Speaker 4: need to improve on, and that's what this week needs
Speaker 4: to be about, is making sure we correct mistakes, become
Speaker 4: a better football team, get ready, compete and try to
Speaker 4: find a win our last home game here at our field.
Speaker 4: So I think our guys will practice hard this week.
Speaker 4: We know that, you know, every game matters, and we
Speaker 4: want to show improvement and go out there and do
Speaker 4: all the small things correctly and come out and play well.
Speaker 4: It'll be a tough opponent we play. They play very
Speaker 4: good football. You're a long, very very good on defense,
Speaker 4: very aggressive, get sacks, get tackles for loss. Their offense
Speaker 4: is played better this year as well, which has helped
Speaker 4: them get to seven wins. And we will have our
Speaker 4: hands full, so we're gonna have to play good football.
Speaker 4: All three segments, play together, play efficient if we want
Speaker 4: to come out with a win.
Speaker 2: That was Jeff Brom earlier today discussing the Pittsburgh matchup.
Speaker 2: Obviously that's the next game, and it is the last
Speaker 2: home game. I'm hopeful that there's a good crowd out there.
Speaker 2: I don't know what to expect. I never really know
Speaker 2: what to expect when it comes to, you know, crowds
Speaker 2: for these kind of games, especially when you're coming off
Speaker 2: that loss, which does really I mean, let's let's be real.
Speaker 2: The momentum that you felt from Clemson is gone.
Speaker 3: You still.
Speaker 2: I mean, that's still a big time victory for Louisville
Speaker 2: that needed to happen in a major way. But you know,
Speaker 2: the good feeling that you got is from that game,
Speaker 2: At least for me and from everybody I've talked to,
Speaker 2: it kind of dwindled away with just how badly you
Speaker 2: performed and the result that you had, just everything that
Speaker 2: came with Saturday against Stanford. But it is your last
Speaker 2: chance to go see this group in action. I mean,
Speaker 2: when it comes to Tyler Shuck, I mean, he's the
Speaker 2: last time you'll get to see him at Cardinal Stadium
Speaker 2: and that's a bummer.
Speaker 3: But you know, he's been good.
Speaker 2: So the weather, I'm not gonna go looking at the
Speaker 2: weather right now because I don't want to get sidetracked.
Speaker 2: But I know last week, at one point they were
Speaker 2: talking about the upcoming weekend where we could get some
Speaker 2: you know, some cold temperatures that might lead to like
Speaker 2: a snowy mix, which you know that's that's not gonna
Speaker 2: help attendance. I wouldn't think, but I'm hopeful that there's
Speaker 2: a good crowd out there, and obviously hope lot will ends.
Speaker 2: I mean, I wouldn't be shocked if they went out,
Speaker 2: wouldn't be shocked if they lose both of these games.
Speaker 2: That's kind of where we are. Usually ten games in,
Speaker 2: you have a pretty good idea of who you are.
Speaker 2: Louisville has shown us who they are, but I think
Speaker 2: it's led to just really not knowing what you're gonna
Speaker 2: get now. I think the Clemson game was just proof
Speaker 2: that they can play pretty clean football and win and
Speaker 2: beat good teams. And you know, there's other examples out
Speaker 2: there where you know, they've they've been in games with
Speaker 2: good teams where they had chances to win despite some mistakes,
Speaker 2: but they you know, they don't get it done. So
Speaker 2: I think pitt is probably gonna end up being the
Speaker 2: probably the fourth best team, let me back up, fifth
Speaker 2: best team you play this year, So it'll be a
Speaker 2: challenge Kentucky. I don't really know where you'd put them.
Speaker 2: And again, we'll get to and by the way, real quick,
Speaker 2: I know that everybody's like, I don't care, just be
Speaker 2: Kentucky because you're not gonna there's no chance for the
Speaker 2: ACC championship obviously, no playoff Bowl games. Who knows what
Speaker 2: the hell those are gonna look like this year. So
Speaker 2: I get why there's so many fans that are like,
Speaker 2: all right, whatever, I'm numb, just please go be Kentucky.
Speaker 2: They're not good this year, and just go win that
Speaker 2: one and we'll reset and you know, talk about next
Speaker 2: year when we when we you know, when we beat Kentucky. Like,
Speaker 2: it seems like there's a lot of people that kind
Speaker 2: of have that belief. And I shouldn't say belief, you
Speaker 2: just have that mindset. Now, if you believe that Louisville
Speaker 2: can beat them, then I'm with you. I think they can,
Speaker 2: But just expecting them to do it is just it's
Speaker 2: a different conversation, to be honest with you. So you know,
Speaker 2: I'm not avoiding talking about Kentucky because I'm you know,
Speaker 2: not wanting to go there. I mean, maybe that's part
Speaker 2: of it, but like without having a postgame show Saturday.
Speaker 2: Like I just I've yet to turn the page, and
Speaker 2: I will at some point, probably tomorrow. But yeah, Saturday sucked.
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Speaker 2: Been a very caller driven show today, which makes sense
Speaker 2: given what happens, so if you want to call it,
Speaker 2: even if you want to call in, you can do
Speaker 2: that as well. Five X two five seven one seventy
Speaker 2: nine hundred. Now, the one of the texts that came
Speaker 2: in here recently as far as the Kentucky game, was
Speaker 2: just you know a concern from somebody saying that if
Speaker 2: we don't get pressure, and English doesn't have pressure coming
Speaker 2: at brock Fandergrift, then he's going to be able to
Speaker 2: sit back there and pick apart our secondary with guys
Speaker 2: like Dane Key and Barry and Brown. And yeah, I
Speaker 2: hadn't had that thought yet, but you know, I don't.
Speaker 2: I mean again, I could see that happening. I don't
Speaker 2: want it to happen, but like I could, I could
Speaker 2: see that happening for sure. And by the way, there
Speaker 2: was I was scrolling through on Saturday, trying to win
Speaker 2: a bet at the end of the night to like
Speaker 2: make me feel not as dead, and it you know,
Speaker 2: didn't work. But I was scrolling through looking at games,
Speaker 2: and sure enough they already had some lines out there
Speaker 2: for next week, and Louisville was I believe a one
Speaker 2: point favorite, and that line has been there here and there.
Speaker 2: I'm not sure if it's there right now. I'm going
Speaker 2: to go look here at DraftKings to see if they
Speaker 2: have the spread.
Speaker 3: For that game.
Speaker 2: Looks like yeah, as of now, they don't have anything
Speaker 2: other than games that are you know, coming up this weekend,
Speaker 2: but I'm sure it'll be something similar to that depending
Speaker 2: upon what happens this week. You know, louisells at home
Speaker 2: against pitt They're eight point favorites. I think it started
Speaker 2: close to ten and a half, which I guess doesn't
Speaker 2: really surprise me. But you know, again, like expecting them
Speaker 2: to cover, it's hard for me to say. I expect
Speaker 2: it with the most recent result that we got. But again,
Speaker 2: if they do, I can't say it's a surprise. Now
Speaker 2: Kentucky they're taking on Texas, that is a let's see here,
Speaker 2: what time is that game? And this is this is
Speaker 2: I'm not complaining about it because I love having endless
Speaker 2: amounts to games to bet on, because it's fun. I
Speaker 2: enjoy giving and donating my money to different sports books.
Speaker 2: It's a lot of fun. In all seriousness, it does
Speaker 2: enhance the experience of watching sports. But here it is,
Speaker 2: I it's hard for me to find some of these matchups,
Speaker 2: you know, whenever I'm scrolling through seemingly an endless list
Speaker 2: of matchups. But yes, Kentucky and Texas at three thirty
Speaker 2: and Kentucky is twenty and a half point underdogs there,
Speaker 2: so I would say, you know, right now, it's probably
Speaker 2: gonna be close to a Pickham, And then I would say,
Speaker 2: whatever happens this week, we'll send it in one of
Speaker 2: the two directions, but probably not at like a big
Speaker 2: probably not a whole lot of movement. Right, It'll probably
Speaker 2: be whoever's favorite. It probably won't be by a whole lot.
Speaker 2: That would be my guess.
Speaker 3: All right.
Speaker 2: So somebody texted in earlier and said is it a
Speaker 2: like basically asking is it a real thing to bring
Speaker 2: back Clint Hurt? And I don't know what you mean
Speaker 2: by is it a real thing? Like are you saying
Speaker 2: like if you're asking me, is it a real thing?
Speaker 2: Like it's happening and people are talking about it like
Speaker 2: it's going on behind the scenes. I would say that's
Speaker 2: not real. I don't think there's any compan No, that's
Speaker 2: not real. Now, is it like a real thing to
Speaker 2: where like maybe he would be a good candidate to
Speaker 2: come back to Louisville and be the DC if Jeff
Speaker 2: decides to move on from Ron English. That's different conversations.
Speaker 2: So for those that aren't, I mean, gosh, I hate
Speaker 2: to say this, but like there's probably people listening that
Speaker 2: like don't really know who Clint Hurt is. You know,
Speaker 2: he hasn't been here in over ten years, but he
Speaker 2: was the defensive line coach and the and the basically
Speaker 2: the lead recruit of the recruiting coordinator for Charlie Strong
Speaker 2: when he got the job back in twenty ten. So
Speaker 2: Clint Hurt is somebody that ended up after leaving Louisville.
Speaker 2: He went straight to the NFL and was well, he
Speaker 2: got a show calls. That was part of it, but
Speaker 2: like you know, that was one that's already Actually I
Speaker 2: don't know, because he hasn't coached in college since then,
Speaker 2: do you I think you still have to consider the fact.
Speaker 2: And again, we don't need to go there because this
Speaker 2: guy may never I mean Clint may never be somebody
Speaker 2: that is considered for the job. They may not even
Speaker 2: make a change. But it has been discussed by you know,
Speaker 2: enough Louisville fans and look, he was good in the NFL.
Speaker 2: But I do think like you would have to still
Speaker 2: do the whole process of like you're hiring somebody that
Speaker 2: got a show cause because Louisville, I believe was prepared
Speaker 2: to keep him. Tom George was prepared to keep Clint
Speaker 2: Hurt despite the show cause. But Clint Hurt decided to
Speaker 2: move on to the NFL, and when he did that,
Speaker 2: he actually had some success to where he was in
Speaker 2: the NFL for a really long time. He's still there
Speaker 2: right now. So he's with the Bears and he was
Speaker 2: their defensive line coach. He coached outside linebackers for two
Speaker 2: seasons after that, so he's with the Bears for three years,
Speaker 2: and then he got the job as the assistant head
Speaker 2: coach and the defensive line coach with the Seattle Seahawks.
Speaker 2: He did that for four years, had success, and then
Speaker 2: Pete Carroll made him the defensive coordinator in two thousand
Speaker 2: and two and two thousand and three, well, Pete Carroll
Speaker 2: retired and that led to Clint needing to find work elsewhere.
Speaker 2: So now he's the defensive line coach with the Philadelphia Eagles.
Speaker 2: So what I will tell you is that I've always
Speaker 2: been told by former players of his that he would
Speaker 2: love to come back to college in some capacity. Got
Speaker 2: to keep in mind, he was never a coordinator in college.
Speaker 3: He was only a line coach.
Speaker 2: So he was a coordinator in the NFL, and you know,
Speaker 2: it was successful, I believe with the Seahawks. At least,
Speaker 2: you know, he didn't get canned. It was a situation
Speaker 2: where Pete Carroll tired and they hired somebody who brought
Speaker 2: in his own staff. So you know, if he'd be interested,
Speaker 2: I mean, that's that's a name to consider. But really,
Speaker 2: when you're making that decision to go hire a coordinator,
Speaker 2: you know, I think what you really focused on years
Speaker 2: ago is so different now. The things that really really
Speaker 2: mattered ten years ago they still matter, but maybe not
Speaker 2: as much because you know, what is your best recruiter,
Speaker 2: your bank account, money and iol like, that's not the
Speaker 2: only reason that that guys go to certain schools, so
Speaker 2: you need to have so again, it was all about
Speaker 2: recruiting and being able to establish relationships. Relationships is so
Speaker 2: important in life, every aspect of it. Well, it's a
Speaker 2: big part of recruiting, right, establishing relationships with players their families.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's networking, and it's you know, it's being
Speaker 2: able to sell, right, you're selling a program and are
Speaker 2: they going to buy by coming to your school? So
Speaker 2: you still need to be able to do that, but
Speaker 2: that doesn't matter as much now because now a factor
Speaker 2: in the decision as to where you're going to go,
Speaker 2: rather it be the portal or the fresh the kids
Speaker 2: that are coming out of high school as freshmen, money's
Speaker 2: going to be a factor too. So like, if your
Speaker 2: money is in a good spot, which it has to be,
Speaker 2: you can go get a coordinator that I don't know
Speaker 2: that I would say like because it used to be
Speaker 2: so important to where it was like the ultimate thing,
Speaker 2: like Hey, Like, let me give you an example, and
Speaker 2: it's gonna be you know, this is gonna be mean,
Speaker 2: but it's just the truth. Like, I'm not sure Vince
Speaker 2: Marrow's headset is ever on when he's coaching on the
Speaker 2: sideline at Kentucky. But you know what, he's a phenomenal recruiter.
Speaker 2: He has been able to bring some really good players
Speaker 2: to Kentucky for Mark Stoops that nobody else has ever
Speaker 2: even probably been able to get on the phone, and
Speaker 2: he's done it in the portal and he's done it
Speaker 2: and especially with incoming freshmen. So you know, like that
Speaker 2: that's value. That's why he's making over a million dollars.
Speaker 2: That's why he's a made man in Lexington. So he
Speaker 2: has that relationship ability. But you know what, if Kentucky
Speaker 2: didn't have good money to go along with it, it
Speaker 2: would fall flat. Not to say he wouldn't get anybody,
Speaker 2: but like both things matter now, and I guess, you know,
Speaker 2: balancing which one matters most. It just comes down to
Speaker 2: I guess the recruit. But like I'm if Louisville does
Speaker 2: open up that spot, the defensive coordinator position and they're
Speaker 2: out there looking for somebody, I'm not as much worried
Speaker 2: about the recruiting aspect of it, as far as somebody
Speaker 2: that man he brought in a top ten or top
Speaker 2: twenty class to this school.
Speaker 3: He held.
Speaker 2: You know, again, it's not like I'm telling you that
Speaker 2: it doesn't matter at all and that it's worthless.
Speaker 3: It just doesn't.
Speaker 2: It doesn't have it doesn't mean as much as it
Speaker 2: used to when you're looking to fill that.
Speaker 3: Kind of a position.
Speaker 2: In fact, you know, we'll get into this in the
Speaker 2: five o'clock hour because I'm gonna have to eat some
Speaker 2: crow one because Deon Sanders. You know, I was very
Speaker 2: critical and everything I said was true about how poorly
Speaker 2: Year one went for him in Colorado. And I still think, again,
Speaker 2: this is just a matter of opinion. I thought he
Speaker 2: was I thought he sounded foolish, acting as if they
Speaker 2: just won a national championship when quite literally they were
Speaker 2: very very disappointing last year. Right now they may go
Speaker 2: win their league and that would be a big step up.
Speaker 2: I still think he'll probably be gone after his son leaves,
Speaker 2: but we'll see. I think he'll probably go to the NFL,
Speaker 2: just my guess. But maybe I'm way wrong either way.
Speaker 2: When I say, eat crow, I'm gonna have to cite
Speaker 2: or I'm gonna have to use sound from a Deon
Speaker 2: Sanders press conference that I used to just play to
Speaker 2: make fun of how arrogant he was. Now I'm gonna
Speaker 2: have to play it and let you guys hear it
Speaker 2: so I can say this guy's absolutely right. Like the
Speaker 2: days of bragging about rankings in the high school recruiting
Speaker 2: is worthless because if you got a five, if you
Speaker 2: got a top ten class, what are the chances that
Speaker 2: that top ten class that you delivered is ever going
Speaker 2: to all play together? Half of them are probably gonna
Speaker 2: go to the portal. So, like, you know, you still
Speaker 2: at the end of the day, you got to bring
Speaker 2: in young talent, and that's just now the nature of
Speaker 2: the beast. You're gonna have a lot more turnover. But like,
Speaker 2: recruiting rankings have never actually mattered when it comes to
Speaker 2: it giving you anything. Now, get you know what I
Speaker 2: mean by that is, yeah, you go look at the
Speaker 2: best teams in college football every year, they pretty much
Speaker 2: are in the top in the rankings and recruiting classes.
Speaker 2: So yes, they do matter in that aspect, But like
Speaker 2: it's what you do with it. Right, just by having
Speaker 2: a class that came in number five in the country.
Speaker 2: I mean, if they don't do anything, is it worth
Speaker 2: having it time? I mean, in fact, it makes it
Speaker 2: even worse because not only did you not get a
Speaker 2: whole lot, you probably you know, felt like you were
Speaker 2: you know that. I mean you were probably expecting a
Speaker 2: lot because of where they were ranked, and they ended
Speaker 2: up being terrible or whatever. So you know, I'm not
Speaker 2: if a guy can can can get it done, get results,
Speaker 2: and he's a respected coach when it comes to you know,
Speaker 2: running a defense, calling the plays, you know, that kind
Speaker 2: of stuff like that. That's always mattered, but I think
Speaker 2: it actually matters more now than it used to because
Speaker 2: you don't have to have somebody out there that's recruiting
Speaker 2: the high school level the same way you did many
Speaker 2: years ago because of two things. The portal makes it
Speaker 2: to where it's just different. But also money nil matters
Speaker 2: to where that's going to be a bigger factor. And
Speaker 2: you know, you don't need to be a bad relationships guy,
Speaker 2: which I don't even know how you be in the
Speaker 2: business in the industry doing that job if that was
Speaker 2: the case. But you know, that would be what I
Speaker 2: would think is the most important thing when you're out
Speaker 2: there looking for a new coordinator, somebody who has proven,
Speaker 2: somebody that you know, maybe maybe a guy that has
Speaker 2: been a really good DC, but yet his head coach
Speaker 2: is kind of the DC. Let me give you an example.
Speaker 2: Tyler's uh, let me pull it up here. Tyler Santucci,
Speaker 2: I think is the name. Yeah, he's a guy who
Speaker 2: was the defensive coordinator for Duke when Mike Elko was there.
Speaker 2: Duke's defense was great, right, But like Tyler Santucci, you know,
Speaker 2: is he getting any credit? Is he really running the defense?
Speaker 2: Probably not, because that's what Mike Elko does. Well, Mike
Speaker 2: Elko goes to Texas A and m Tyler Santuci gets
Speaker 2: to run his own defense now for Georgia Tech, and
Speaker 2: I haven't checked the numbers recently, but at one point
Speaker 2: their defense was substantially better. That's a guy who really
Speaker 2: learned from somebody that was really good at what he did,
Speaker 2: so much so that he got the Texas A and
Speaker 2: M job, and now he's got a chance to kind
Speaker 2: of run his defense. He's young, he's relatable, and he's
Speaker 2: he knows what he's doing. So something like that, I
Speaker 2: don't know who that guy is, meaning like, who could
Speaker 2: be the next Tyler Santucci. But that's the kind of scenario.
Speaker 2: I would be happy if that's how it played out
Speaker 2: as far as making a change. All right, quick break,
Speaker 2: we'll come back for a quick segment and then we'll
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