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<v Speaker 1>This program contains dramatizations of real people and events. Some

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<v Speaker 1>names have been changed. This program is for mature audiences only.

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<v Speaker 1>It contains graphic images which may be disturbing to some viewers.

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<v Speaker 1>Viewer discretion is advised. A grizzly double murder in New

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<v Speaker 1>York leaves family stunned and a psychic afraid for her life.

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<v Speaker 2>So he knew he was going to keep killing, He

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<v Speaker 2>might come after me if he found out I worked

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<v Speaker 2>on it.

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<v Speaker 1>In Oklahoma, a family trip becomes a nightmare, their children missing.

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<v Speaker 1>Terrified parents seek the vision of a psychic.

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<v Speaker 3>I've worked through some cases that this child tore me

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<v Speaker 3>to shress this little girl just puckman.

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<v Speaker 1>When klus are scarce and answers elusively, investigators sometimes turned

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<v Speaker 1>to a psychic witness. Albany, New York, November twenty third,

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen seventy six, The day before Thanksgiving, in a rundown

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<v Speaker 1>section of the business district, Albany resident Oscar Ramsay enters

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<v Speaker 1>the religious store his family owns. His son Curtis, should

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<v Speaker 1>be working with longtime employee dedra Upton in the bathroom.

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<v Speaker 1>A body. He doesn't know who it is or what's wrong.

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<v Speaker 1>Vagrants often wander into the store. Oscar tells police he

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<v Speaker 1>thinks one is sick in the bathroom. All ben he

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<v Speaker 1>Detective Jim Candling is among the first on the scene.

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<v Speaker 4>Right, this man came to the store and we confronted

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<v Speaker 4>the an elderly gentleman, and we asked off was going on.

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<v Speaker 4>He said he was like a confused state. He says,

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know who he is, but he's in my

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<v Speaker 4>bathroom back there, and I think he's sick coming out

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<v Speaker 4>the street or something. Yes, but I went over, God,

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<v Speaker 4>went into the bathroom, went over the top of the

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<v Speaker 4>body that was laying there, put my flashlight that and

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<v Speaker 4>the chief says to me, what's it look like? Jim,

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<v Speaker 4>I says, he's dead.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>I said, his throats cut from here the air and

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<v Speaker 4>he said he got a multiple stab wound in his chest.

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<v Speaker 1>What Oscar doesn't realize is that the body is that

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<v Speaker 1>of his son, fifty five year old Curtis Ramsay, and

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<v Speaker 1>he's not the only victim.

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<v Speaker 4>I looked it around and I said, oh my god,

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<v Speaker 4>there's another one. It was the woman that worked there also,

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<v Speaker 4>and she was gonna supply cloudset on her floor and

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<v Speaker 4>she appeared to have multiple stab wounds and her chest also,

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<v Speaker 4>and uh, she was only a frail little thing, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>Really it's sixty two year old store employee dedra Upton,

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<v Speaker 1>who could've done this?

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<v Speaker 4>We went up the street there was a woman standing

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<v Speaker 4>on a corner and I said, did you see anybody

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<v Speaker 4>go buy you? This is a big guy came running

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<v Speaker 4>down the street a little while ago, and he was

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<v Speaker 4>carrying something, but he had stuff wrapped in his hand,

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<v Speaker 4>bloody stuff. He went up the street of Broadway and

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<v Speaker 4>he dumped something in a barrel up there and kept

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<v Speaker 4>on going.

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<v Speaker 1>She describes him as an African American male, tall and

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<v Speaker 1>powerfully built, but she didn't get a good look at

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<v Speaker 1>his face inside the barrel. Among the trash, investigators discover

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<v Speaker 1>a priest's vestment and a glove, both soaked in what

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<v Speaker 1>appears to be blood, nearby a trail of blood drops.

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<v Speaker 4>The assailant evidently cut himself. Also because in standing people

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<v Speaker 4>a lot of times with a knife, if you come

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<v Speaker 4>down hard and hit bone, your hand will come off

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<v Speaker 4>the handle and get down a blade, and that's apparently

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<v Speaker 4>what he did.

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<v Speaker 1>Investigators follow the blood trail, but soon it ends. They

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<v Speaker 1>call for a canine unit. It's a horrific crime, a

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<v Speaker 1>savage attack by a knife wielding killer, and for what

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<v Speaker 1>The cash register is open but missing only a few dollars.

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<v Speaker 1>The canine unit arrives to try to track the killers.

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<v Speaker 1>The dog follows the scent for several blocks, yet the

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<v Speaker 1>trail near a furniture outlet store. Detectives talked to employees there,

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<v Speaker 1>but they didn't see a thing. With no other evidence,

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<v Speaker 1>investigators check local arrest records for similar crimes, according to

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<v Speaker 1>District Attorney saw Greenberg, and.

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<v Speaker 6>They wanted to know who were the recent parole lees.

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<v Speaker 3>And what were their ms, what was the nature of

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<v Speaker 3>the crimes they committed.

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<v Speaker 1>One parole officer calls in with a good lead. According

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<v Speaker 1>to New York State Police Senior investigator Richard Gannon.

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<v Speaker 5>When he heard about the furniture outlet store, put it

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<v Speaker 5>together that a recent parole ee by the name Alemuel

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<v Speaker 5>Smith was working there.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, thirty seven years old. Lemuel Smith has spent several

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<v Speaker 1>years in prison for violent crimes, but now he's out.

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<v Speaker 1>Smith has been free for several months and so far

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<v Speaker 1>he stayed clean. Hello, and he's fully cooperative, explaining he

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<v Speaker 1>was having lunch with two friends at the time of

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<v Speaker 1>the murders.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I was working at the Actually.

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<v Speaker 1>The friends later confirm his story. Officers check Smith's hands

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<v Speaker 1>for cuts, anything, all right.

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<v Speaker 7>They assumed that they had to be quite a gish

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<v Speaker 7>for it to bleed so much, and they saw nothing,

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<v Speaker 7>So that kind of took Smith out of the picture.

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<v Speaker 1>A brutal killer is still out there, but a psychic

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<v Speaker 1>is about to join the search for him.

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<v Speaker 2>I saw it and felt it. I knew this man

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<v Speaker 2>was a killer and would kill more and more. This

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<v Speaker 2>is why I was happy they let me help them.

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<v Speaker 1>Together, the cops and the psychic will chase a serial

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<v Speaker 1>killer who's just getting started. After a gruesome double murder

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<v Speaker 1>in Albany, police cleared their first suspect, Lemuel Smith, when

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<v Speaker 1>his alibis corroborated with a killer on the loose. The

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<v Speaker 1>city's terrified forensic anthropologist and author Dennis Foley.

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<v Speaker 8>Albany didn't have murders like this. This was horrendous. It

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<v Speaker 8>was in a religious store. His throat was slashed, almost decapitated,

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<v Speaker 8>and she had numerous stabunds.

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<v Speaker 1>Rumors swirl that it was a cult killing. Albany police

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<v Speaker 1>must uncover the truth. Officers find new witnesses, two local

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<v Speaker 1>vagrants who say they saw a man running from the store,

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<v Speaker 1>a man who does not resemble the first suspect. According

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<v Speaker 1>to senior investigator Richard Gannon.

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<v Speaker 5>The one person they did see come out at a

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<v Speaker 5>store was a white man. He was moving quite fast

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<v Speaker 5>up the street running.

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<v Speaker 1>The witnesses know the man. He's Freddie Baker, another vagrant,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. He swears he didn't do it.

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<v Speaker 8>So they gave him a polygraph test when they sobered

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<v Speaker 8>him up, and he passed the polygrasses. But they also

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<v Speaker 8>proved conclusively that he was in the store.

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<v Speaker 1>Baker says he went in that day to buy a

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<v Speaker 1>card for his mother. He heard something in back.

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<v Speaker 5>He saw this huge man with the eyes of the

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<v Speaker 5>devil is the way he described him. And he just

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<v Speaker 5>turned around and ran out of the store as fast

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<v Speaker 5>as he could, and he never stopped.

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<v Speaker 1>The description of the man he saw leads police back

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<v Speaker 1>to Lemuel Smith about the same time. Lab results come in.

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<v Speaker 1>The killer's blood is type OH, the same as Smith's.

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<v Speaker 1>The lab tests also reveal a strange detail. Lama hairs

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<v Speaker 1>were found at the crime scene. It's a type of

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<v Speaker 1>hair used in furniture upholstery smith works at a furniture

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<v Speaker 1>outlet store. Still it's not enough for an arrest. A

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<v Speaker 1>month after the killings in the religious store, a young

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<v Speaker 1>woman is found nearby with her throat slashed. District Attorney

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<v Speaker 1>saw Greenberg.

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<v Speaker 6>It appeared based upon the throat sledding, is that possibly.

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<v Speaker 3>There could have been a similarly the same individual may

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<v Speaker 3>have perpetrated this crime.

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<v Speaker 1>Once again, few clues left behind what we want. With

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<v Speaker 1>no leads, Albany's assistant police chief takes a new tack

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<v Speaker 1>and calls in psychic and Fisher.

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<v Speaker 8>He is at wits end, so he brings in a psyche.

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<v Speaker 8>His deputy chief, his sergeants, they're appalled by this. This

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<v Speaker 8>is so unprofessional, but they'll go along with it because

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<v Speaker 8>they have nothing to lose.

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<v Speaker 1>And agrees to accompany detective to the crime scene at

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<v Speaker 1>the religious store.

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<v Speaker 2>They were desperate, they didn't know what to do, and

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's because they didn't know where to go,

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<v Speaker 2>and they had heard about me and felt that maybe

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<v Speaker 2>I could help them.

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<v Speaker 1>The psychic ass that they tell her nothing about the case.

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<v Speaker 1>All she knows is someone was killed.

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<v Speaker 2>When I walked in. Oh, it was terrible.

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<v Speaker 1>She sees the killer.

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<v Speaker 2>My impression was he came in to sell something. He

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<v Speaker 2>needed money, and I see the woman to not be

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<v Speaker 2>willing to do it, and so he went into a

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<v Speaker 2>fit of anger, dragged her into the back room and

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<v Speaker 2>stabbed her fifteen times.

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<v Speaker 1>And knows exactly where Deirdre Upton was killed.

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<v Speaker 2>Stab While he was doing this, the owner of the

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<v Speaker 2>store came in and he tried to stop him, and

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<v Speaker 2>he was killed two.

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<v Speaker 8>She said he almost was beheaded, which they didn't really

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<v Speaker 8>put that in the newspapers.

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<v Speaker 6>I can see it.

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<v Speaker 1>Detectives ask about the killer.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel so sorry, and I said, well, he's about forty,

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<v Speaker 2>he's black and about six foot.

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<v Speaker 1>But then a confusing image sometimes and sees two killers.

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<v Speaker 1>The second assailant is smaller. She sees him committing the

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<v Speaker 1>same acts with a larger man watching, but the second

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<v Speaker 1>silent is not always there and doesn't understand exactly what

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<v Speaker 1>it all means. The procession continues outside and feels the

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<v Speaker 1>killer or killers fleeing the scene, and knows in which direction.

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<v Speaker 5>In this direction, I.

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<v Speaker 2>Walked out of the store in this sort of a

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<v Speaker 2>semitrans state, and I just pointed and I turned left.

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<v Speaker 1>The psychic goes right to the place the evidence was found.

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<v Speaker 2>They're covered with blood.

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<v Speaker 1>She says, whoever did it through something in the trash barrel,

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<v Speaker 1>bloody clothes. Then Ann leads detectives along the route they

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<v Speaker 1>followed before when they found the blood trail.

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<v Speaker 2>I was in a semi trans not a trance. I

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<v Speaker 2>was able to walk and still talk to them and

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<v Speaker 2>answer them, but I started to see so much, feel

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<v Speaker 2>so much.

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<v Speaker 1>She senses a building where the suspect lives or works.

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<v Speaker 2>I said, it's screen. It's around here, I.

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<v Speaker 1>Know it is. She spots the building, Yes, yes, the

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<v Speaker 1>furniture outlet store where suspect Lemuel Smith works. Then and

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<v Speaker 1>gets a different sort of vision of the future.

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<v Speaker 2>I said, I think you'll catch him, but I feel

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<v Speaker 2>he's going to kill a woman soon. And don't ever

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<v Speaker 2>tell anybody I ever worked on this case, because I

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<v Speaker 2>don't want it to be me.

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<v Speaker 1>The psychic knows the killer's not finished, but his next

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<v Speaker 1>victim is impossible to predict. After a double murder in Albany,

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<v Speaker 1>New York, psychic Anne Fisher has visions that implicate suspect

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<v Speaker 1>Lemuel Smith, though she also sees a possible second assailant,

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<v Speaker 1>and she predicts the killer will strike again. Senior investigator

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<v Speaker 1>Richard Gannon believes Smith is guilty, but he needs proof.

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<v Speaker 5>Oh, we were all very sure. There was no question

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<v Speaker 5>in any of our minds. It was just a case

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<v Speaker 5>of getting that piece of evidence that would tie him up.

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<v Speaker 1>Police search Smith's locker at the store where he works,

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<v Speaker 1>collecting hair samples. Lab tests reveal the hair is microscopically

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<v Speaker 1>similar to victim dedra Upten's, but this is before DNA

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<v Speaker 1>analysis and no exact match can be made.

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<v Speaker 5>You have to realize that you might arrest them, but

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<v Speaker 5>then you have to go to court and you have

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<v Speaker 5>to try him, and if your evidence is such that

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<v Speaker 1>At the store, officers also spot Smith's paintings.

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<v Speaker 5>And he left the eyes blank and put foiled paper

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<v Speaker 1>It was very vivid, creepy, but certainly not evidence. Six

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<v Speaker 1>months past with no developments. July twenty second, nineteen seventy seven,

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<v Speaker 1>in nearby Schenectady, New York, residents discover the body of

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<v Speaker 1>twenty two year old Janet Tolliver again of violent stabbing,

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<v Speaker 1>and again no good evidence. One witness reports seeing Lemuel

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<v Speaker 1>Smith near the victim before her death, but police find

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<v Speaker 1>month later, a local attorney notices something's wrong. His usually

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<v Speaker 5>The family had good friends who were c beers. They

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<v Speaker 1>Amazingly, the system worksterist who heard the bulletin spots the

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<v Speaker 1>officers find the secretary and Lamuel Smith.

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<v Speaker 5>He was on the passenger side said to the police

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<v Speaker 1>She's got a different story. He abducted and assaulted her

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<v Speaker 5>They arrested Smith at that point.

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<v Speaker 1>Finally, Smith is off the streets, and finally police discover evidence.

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<v Speaker 1>A Schenectady detective checking crime scene photos from the janet

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<v Speaker 5>Something that looked like teeth marks were Subsequent to that,

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<v Speaker 5>we got molds of Lemuel Smith's teeth.

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<v Speaker 1>A forensic odontologist compares the molds to the bite marks

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<v Speaker 5>As a result, we indicted him.

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<v Speaker 1>Police first charged Smith with Tolliver's murder. When they book him,

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<v Speaker 1>they noticed something detectives missed earlier. According to author Dennis Fowley.

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<v Speaker 8>Initially the detectives who were looking at his hands, they

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<v Speaker 8>looked at the front of his hands, in the back.

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<v Speaker 8>They didn't look at the side.

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<v Speaker 1>Now police see a scar.

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<v Speaker 8>He had cut himself on the side by his knuckle.

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<v Speaker 1>Investigators confront Smith on the double murder in the religious store.

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<v Speaker 1>Actually he now admits he was there, but he's got

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<v Speaker 1>a bizarre story about that day.

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<v Speaker 8>Lemuel Smith never admitted to any of these homicides. He

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<v Speaker 8>said it was done by his brother John, and that

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<v Speaker 8>he watched and in some cases he's to try to

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<v Speaker 6>Actually, it's really interesting.

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<v Speaker 8>But he watched from afar while his younger brother, the

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<v Speaker 8>little brother killed John.

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<v Speaker 2>Actually looks like.

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<v Speaker 1>Psychic. Anne Fisher saw a second assailant in some of

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<v Speaker 1>a startling fact Smith's brother died when he was a child,

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<v Speaker 1>his involvement in the killings only in the mind of

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<v Speaker 1>Lemuel Smith. Investigators believe Smith is displacing blame, and Anne

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<v Speaker 1>picked up on the killer's dual personality later.

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<v Speaker 8>There is a picture that Lemuel Smith drew for his

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<v Speaker 8>defense attorney in which he depicts his self portrait just

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<v Speaker 8>two people in it, Lemuel and a small brother John.

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<v Speaker 8>So this is how Lemuel Smith saw himself. He saw

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<v Speaker 8>himself as two people.

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<v Speaker 1>Basically, Smith explains why he was in the store, and

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<v Speaker 1>his story matches Anne's vision.

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<v Speaker 5>Lemuel Smith did a lot of paintings, and he tried

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<v Speaker 5>to sell him at the religious shop because the paintings

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<v Speaker 5>were of a religious nature, but they.

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<v Speaker 3>Were very stark under somewhat.

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<v Speaker 1>Police believe. When the owners declined to buy, Smith became

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<v Speaker 1>enraged and attacked. Lemuel Smith is sentenced to twenty five

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<v Speaker 1>years to life for each of the religious store murders.

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<v Speaker 1>He earns ten to twenty years for the attack on

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<v Speaker 1>the legal secretary, Janet Tolliver's family declines to press charges

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<v Speaker 1>to avoid the pain of a trial. Smith will never

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<v Speaker 1>leave prison alive, thanks in part to a psychic.

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<v Speaker 8>Ann Fisher essentially identified Lemuel Smith. She also provided information

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<v Speaker 8>about that he would strike again, so she gave the

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<v Speaker 8>idea of a serial killer.

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<v Speaker 1>Ann Fisher helped all the need police know they were

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<v Speaker 1>on the right track to stop a serial killer and

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<v Speaker 1>put him away forever. In Oklahoma, the killer is the

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<v Speaker 1>force of nature, and the psychic must somehow connect with

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<v Speaker 1>a terrified little girl. Nestled in the hills of southern

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<v Speaker 1>Oklahoma lies the small town of Davis and one of

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<v Speaker 1>the best swimming holes in the nation, Turner Falls Park.

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<v Speaker 1>In the summer, families from all over travel to Turner

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<v Speaker 1>Falls to relax in its cool waters. To get there,

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<v Speaker 1>cars flash through Honey Creek, normally little more than a trickle.

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<v Speaker 1>The creek adds charm to a beautiful place. Usually on

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<v Speaker 1>July eighth, nineteen ninety four, the Saddler family heads to

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<v Speaker 1>Turner Falls for the weekend. The two kids, Nathan and Wendy,

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<v Speaker 5>When all I lost.

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<v Speaker 1>That night, the Saddlers enjoy their first campfire together. I've

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<v Speaker 1>had eventually worn out from swimming and hiking, they turn

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<v Speaker 1>into sleep, but at one am, a violent rainstorm begins

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<v Speaker 1>to pound the area. At three am, runoff water seeps

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<v Speaker 1>into the family's tent. The worried mother and father decide

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<v Speaker 1>to drive into Davis to find a motel. When they

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<v Speaker 1>approach the crossing at Honey Creek, it's no longer a trickle.

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<v Speaker 1>Dark water covers the road, no telling how deep it is.

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<v Speaker 1>Mister Saddler edges along, hoping for the best. Okay, back there, Well,

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<v Speaker 1>what's about to happen to his young family couldn't get

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<v Speaker 1>any worse? At Davis, Oklahoma's turner falls. The Saddler family's

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<v Speaker 1>camping trip turns dangerous when a heavy rainstorm batters the area.

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<v Speaker 1>To make it to a motel, the family drives toward

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<v Speaker 1>a creek crossing, but in the darkness, mister Sadler can't

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<v Speaker 1>see the normally shallow creek is raging. Suddenly, the water

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<v Speaker 1>lifts the car and pushes it sideways. Slowly, the relentless

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<v Speaker 1>flood bulldozes the car off the road and into the

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<v Speaker 1>rushing waters below them. Luckily, a campground worker sees the

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<v Speaker 1>car swept away and calls Davis police officers assigned to

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<v Speaker 1>the ranger station race to help. They search the water

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<v Speaker 1>and spot the family. The cars come to rest in

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<v Speaker 1>the middle of the creek, which is running hard and

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<v Speaker 1>rising fast, the water pinning the car doors closed. An

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<v Speaker 1>officer bravely wades out to get the kids, but with

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<v Speaker 1>a roar, the water shows the car loose and pushes

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<v Speaker 1>it one hundred yards downstream. The officers scramble to find

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<v Speaker 1>another position for rescue. By now other campers arrived to help.

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<v Speaker 1>They'll do anything, but it's just too much. Mister Sadler

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<v Speaker 1>manages to crawl out his window and tries to free

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<v Speaker 1>sweeps him downstream. He disappears into the darkness, and then

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<v Speaker 1>a flood surge tears the car loose again. Those watching

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<v Speaker 1>are helpless as the rest of the family vanishes. Within minutes,

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<v Speaker 1>additional police and firefighters arrive. They must reach the family somehow,

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<v Speaker 1>Davis Police Assistant Chief Daryl McCurtain, it.

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<v Speaker 9>Was real tough. You're stomping through brush and trees and

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<v Speaker 9>and rocks and wet rainy weather and middle of the night.

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<v Speaker 1>The car is no longer visible. The first good news

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<v Speaker 1>comes when mister Sadler is washed ashore, but he doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>know where his wife and kids are. The small rescue

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<v Speaker 1>team fans out downstream looking for any sign of them.

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<v Speaker 1>According to fire Chief Norman Shiplet.

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<v Speaker 6>Maybe heard somebody holler around about where blue Hole is,

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<v Speaker 6>so we went around there and she was on the

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<v Speaker 1>It's missus Sadler, bruised, disoriented.

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<v Speaker 6>Alone, and then she went to screaming babies were gone.

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<v Speaker 1>She says. The flood tore them out of her arms.

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<v Speaker 1>At least the children got out before the car sank.

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<v Speaker 6>We felt like they was probably alive because they were young,

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<v Speaker 6>and we figured they would be fighting and try to,

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<v Speaker 6>you know, stay up on the water or try to

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<v Speaker 1>E nts rushed the parents to the hospital for treatment

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<v Speaker 1>while firefighters and police continue hunting for the kids.

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<v Speaker 9>We'd had a clothing description of the children and just

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<v Speaker 9>began walking up and down creek banks hoping that they've

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<v Speaker 9>made it to safety.

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<v Speaker 1>They searched throughout the night, no sign of the children.

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<v Speaker 1>By dawn, the rain has stopped, but Honey Creek is

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<v Speaker 1>still dangerous.

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<v Speaker 9>The water in the creek was still rise and it

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<v Speaker 9>was still getting deeper and within a little small creek

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<v Speaker 9>like that, the water is real swift.

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<v Speaker 5>And to find his kids.

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<v Speaker 6>For the Ferman, you need to find his children exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>The search team is determined to find those kids. Studying

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<v Speaker 1>the flow of the creek, they plan a methodical drag dat.

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<v Speaker 9>Our goal was to try to locate the children, so

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<v Speaker 9>we organize some search parties.

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<v Speaker 6>We couldn't search the creek out too much. We could

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<v Speaker 6>just go down side of its first day because it

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<v Speaker 1>They hope to find the kids on the banks, cold

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<v Speaker 1>and wet, but alive. The search party swells to nearly

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<v Speaker 1>one hundred, including civilian volunteers and officers from Navy in counties. Yet,

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<v Speaker 1>despite their efforts, another night passes with no sighting of

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<v Speaker 1>the children. On the second day, the number of searches

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<v Speaker 6>I've been on that department for twenty years and I'd

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<v Speaker 6>never seen anything like that, never had to do any rescued,

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<v Speaker 6>and to that degree.

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<v Speaker 1>The search now includes the Oklahoma National Guard and the

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<v Speaker 1>Oklahoma Highway Patrol.

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<v Speaker 9>That's one of the amazing parts of the case that

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<v Speaker 9>everybody from different areas could come together and work together.

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<v Speaker 9>Different organizations were assigned to different task and just the

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<v Speaker 9>way people communicated, the way we work together. It's remarkable.

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<v Speaker 1>The flood has there hundreds of items out of the campground,

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<v Speaker 1>which slows the search.

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<v Speaker 6>There was so much debris and stuff down the creek.

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<v Speaker 6>Tents and clothes and ice chests and stuff. It was

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<v Speaker 6>through all of that.

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<v Speaker 1>Each item could be related to the missing kids.

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<v Speaker 9>You find a piece of clothing, or you find a

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<v Speaker 9>kid's doll or anything like that. It just, you know,

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<v Speaker 9>it kind of gives you some hope that hey, maybe

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<v Speaker 9>we've found something, and then it turned up to be nothing.

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<v Speaker 9>But you know, there was false hopes like that. Every day.

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<v Speaker 1>When the current slows, divers from the National Park Service

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<v Speaker 1>checked the deeper pools. Halfway through the second day, the

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<v Speaker 1>divers find the car.

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<v Speaker 9>You can imagine the car being tumbled down a creek

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<v Speaker 9>and the force of water banging it against the rocks

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<v Speaker 9>and everything. It was in pretty bad condition, you know,

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<v Speaker 9>all the windows were busted out, the top of it

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<v Speaker 1>Rescuers find renewed hope in the fact that no bodies

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<v Speaker 1>are inside the car. As the water recedes, it leaves

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<v Speaker 1>piles of rush and driftwood. On day three, a more

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<v Speaker 1>grim discovery.

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<v Speaker 6>One of the National Guard people that they were cleaning

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<v Speaker 6>out the creek and approximately two to three miles from

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<v Speaker 6>where the car went off. He started looking and cause

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<v Speaker 6>some of the other boys over to help.

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00:36:00.320 --> 00:36:02.840
<v Speaker 1>They've found young Nathan Sadler.

429
00:36:08.440 --> 00:36:11.320
<v Speaker 6>I think it depressed them because they found the boy.

430
00:36:11.400 --> 00:36:11.920
<v Speaker 6>He was dead.

431
00:36:16.000 --> 00:36:22.679
<v Speaker 1>The Saddlers have lost their son. Soon they'll call in

432
00:36:22.760 --> 00:36:25.079
<v Speaker 1>a psychic to look for their little girl.

433
00:36:26.199 --> 00:36:28.920
<v Speaker 3>And then I got a sense of her fear, how

434
00:36:29.039 --> 00:36:34.280
<v Speaker 3>terrified she was. The roaring sound.

435
00:36:35.480 --> 00:36:36.559
<v Speaker 5>Tree is breaking.

436
00:36:36.840 --> 00:36:42.400
<v Speaker 3>I mean the sound was absolutely definite, unbelievable sense of

437
00:36:42.559 --> 00:36:44.119
<v Speaker 3>longness for that child.

438
00:36:45.039 --> 00:36:48.119
<v Speaker 1>After the Sadler family has swept away in a flash flood,

439
00:36:49.119 --> 00:36:52.239
<v Speaker 1>the parents wash up safe on the creek banks, but

440
00:36:52.320 --> 00:36:57.320
<v Speaker 1>their little boy is found dead. His sister, Wendy Sadler,

441
00:36:57.559 --> 00:37:04.079
<v Speaker 1>is still out there somewhere. Davi's police assistant, Chief Down

442
00:37:04.199 --> 00:37:08.199
<v Speaker 1>McCurtain knows Wendy has a better chance of surviving than

443
00:37:08.199 --> 00:37:08.920
<v Speaker 1>our little brother.

444
00:37:10.079 --> 00:37:12.719
<v Speaker 9>Being older and being a better swimmer. That might give

445
00:37:12.760 --> 00:37:14.360
<v Speaker 9>her a little bit of a chance to make it

446
00:37:14.360 --> 00:37:14.960
<v Speaker 9>to safety.

447
00:37:15.960 --> 00:37:18.599
<v Speaker 1>Fire Chief Norman Shiplet leads the search.

448
00:37:20.199 --> 00:37:22.199
<v Speaker 6>I talked with the parents and the family and told

449
00:37:22.239 --> 00:37:25.000
<v Speaker 6>him I wasn't giving up, you know, I was gonna

450
00:37:25.039 --> 00:37:28.679
<v Speaker 6>keep hunting for the girl. We kept hoping that maybe

451
00:37:28.719 --> 00:37:31.920
<v Speaker 6>we'd find her should be wandering somewhere.

452
00:37:33.760 --> 00:37:40.840
<v Speaker 1>But as days pass, hope fades. Discouraged volunteers must return

453
00:37:40.920 --> 00:37:42.880
<v Speaker 1>to their regular lives, take.

454
00:37:42.760 --> 00:37:45.239
<v Speaker 6>Over there and take over the trees over there. We

455
00:37:45.440 --> 00:37:47.159
<v Speaker 6>just ding it down to where there was only like

456
00:37:48.360 --> 00:37:49.280
<v Speaker 6>less than ten of us.

457
00:37:50.079 --> 00:37:59.639
<v Speaker 1>You're looking, mister and missus Sadler cannot stop until they

458
00:37:59.639 --> 00:38:09.320
<v Speaker 1>find Wendy or her body. After a gut wrenching week

459
00:38:09.360 --> 00:38:12.920
<v Speaker 1>of not knowing, the distraught mother gets the phone number

460
00:38:12.920 --> 00:38:16.039
<v Speaker 1>to a psychic whose helped families find missing kids. Before

461
00:38:17.880 --> 00:38:23.199
<v Speaker 1>she calls, doctor Sally Heading in San Francisco, and the.

462
00:38:23.199 --> 00:38:29.159
<v Speaker 3>Family was wild with anxiety, and so I believe this

463
00:38:29.239 --> 00:38:31.400
<v Speaker 3>is one of the reasons that they did call me

464
00:38:31.519 --> 00:38:35.320
<v Speaker 3>in and it's just any lasts effort.

465
00:38:37.559 --> 00:38:41.119
<v Speaker 1>Sally contacts Assistant Chief McCurtain to offer her help.

466
00:38:43.239 --> 00:38:45.639
<v Speaker 9>When she told me that she was a psyechic and everything,

467
00:38:45.880 --> 00:38:47.800
<v Speaker 9>I kind of had doubts. Can you tell me a

468
00:38:47.800 --> 00:38:48.199
<v Speaker 9>little bit.

469
00:38:48.119 --> 00:38:50.480
<v Speaker 1>More about what He's willing to try anything.

470
00:38:52.519 --> 00:38:54.840
<v Speaker 10>Beyond his own personal feelings.

471
00:38:55.239 --> 00:39:01.039
<v Speaker 3>Was his desire to find this little girl, a big

472
00:39:01.119 --> 00:39:05.760
<v Speaker 3>person to take their personal belief system and set aside

473
00:39:06.360 --> 00:39:09.239
<v Speaker 3>because there's something more important than themselves.

474
00:39:10.920 --> 00:39:14.320
<v Speaker 1>Nick Curtin tells her no details of the case. Sally

475
00:39:14.360 --> 00:39:15.440
<v Speaker 1>fills them in on her own.

476
00:39:17.320 --> 00:39:21.639
<v Speaker 9>She described the terrain. She described Norman ship with the

477
00:39:21.639 --> 00:39:25.199
<v Speaker 9>fire chief and said I was working closely with him,

478
00:39:25.280 --> 00:39:34.519
<v Speaker 9>and described landmarks along the river. It was convincing, But.

479
00:39:34.559 --> 00:39:41.039
<v Speaker 1>What about Wendy. Sally breaks the news the girl is dead,

480
00:39:41.760 --> 00:39:45.960
<v Speaker 1>but she can't see where her body is. Yes, she

481
00:39:46.119 --> 00:39:50.559
<v Speaker 1>promises to call back soon. For now she must focus.

482
00:39:54.719 --> 00:39:58.079
<v Speaker 3>I like to be in a very quiet room, so

483
00:39:58.119 --> 00:40:01.639
<v Speaker 3>then I'm extremely relaxed and that things will begin to

484
00:40:01.679 --> 00:40:02.199
<v Speaker 3>come through.

485
00:40:04.480 --> 00:40:07.559
<v Speaker 1>But at first, Wendy's too scared to let her in.

486
00:40:09.480 --> 00:40:12.199
<v Speaker 3>I talked to this little girl and I kept getting nothing,

487
00:40:12.199 --> 00:40:14.880
<v Speaker 3>and I kept getting nothing. I thought, if this little

488
00:40:14.880 --> 00:40:17.559
<v Speaker 3>girl doesn't come to me and help me, I'm not

489
00:40:17.599 --> 00:40:21.960
<v Speaker 3>going to know where she is. I didn't have a clue,

490
00:40:22.239 --> 00:40:27.079
<v Speaker 3>and I really felt helpless about that. And finally I

491
00:40:27.119 --> 00:40:30.199
<v Speaker 3>told her that her mommy couldn't stop crying and that

492
00:40:30.239 --> 00:40:33.800
<v Speaker 3>if she could just show me where she was, that

493
00:40:33.840 --> 00:40:36.920
<v Speaker 3>they could bury her and that would help them with

494
00:40:37.000 --> 00:40:39.880
<v Speaker 3>her pain. And if she would trust me enough to

495
00:40:39.920 --> 00:40:43.159
<v Speaker 3>come away from the light, that I promised not to

496
00:40:43.239 --> 00:40:45.960
<v Speaker 3>hurt her, and I promised that she could get back

497
00:40:46.000 --> 00:40:49.559
<v Speaker 3>to the light, that she would be okay. And the

498
00:40:49.639 --> 00:40:52.400
<v Speaker 3>next thing, you know, I got this strong sense of

499
00:40:52.559 --> 00:40:56.199
<v Speaker 3>smell of a child that's been playing in a hot day.

500
00:40:56.719 --> 00:41:00.679
<v Speaker 3>It's kind of a sweet, musky smell. And then I

501
00:41:00.760 --> 00:41:04.199
<v Speaker 3>got a sense of her fear, how terrified she was.

502
00:41:04.880 --> 00:41:10.679
<v Speaker 3>The roaring sound, trees breaking, I'm believable sense of illness

503
00:41:11.039 --> 00:41:14.599
<v Speaker 3>for that child just broke my heart. I mean, this

504
00:41:14.800 --> 00:41:21.239
<v Speaker 3>is this is a baby. It's my granddaughter's age.

505
00:41:24.159 --> 00:41:26.000
<v Speaker 1>The girl asks for Sally's help.

506
00:41:27.239 --> 00:41:31.039
<v Speaker 3>Before she would show me where she was, she showed

507
00:41:31.039 --> 00:41:35.599
<v Speaker 3>me the diamond necklace, the cross her grandmother told her

508
00:41:35.920 --> 00:41:40.920
<v Speaker 3>she would have on her sixtieth birthday, and she wants

509
00:41:40.960 --> 00:41:44.000
<v Speaker 3>it now. She wants to be buried with it in

510
00:41:44.119 --> 00:41:48.920
<v Speaker 3>the casket. And I promised her that I would get

511
00:41:48.960 --> 00:41:49.519
<v Speaker 3>that forth.

512
00:41:52.719 --> 00:41:56.280
<v Speaker 1>Sally calls missus Sadler and asks if Wendy was promised

513
00:41:56.280 --> 00:41:58.119
<v Speaker 1>a necklace with a diamond cross.

514
00:42:00.360 --> 00:42:03.679
<v Speaker 3>And the mother completely broke down because she said, yes,

515
00:42:03.920 --> 00:42:07.880
<v Speaker 3>that is my mother's cross, and my mother promised that

516
00:42:07.960 --> 00:42:15.719
<v Speaker 3>she would give this cross at sixteen. I can't believe

517
00:42:15.800 --> 00:42:18.480
<v Speaker 3>you know, this is my little girl at peace. And

518
00:42:18.519 --> 00:42:22.079
<v Speaker 3>I said, most definitely. She is so at peace that

519
00:42:22.119 --> 00:42:24.360
<v Speaker 3>she didn't want to come away from where she is.

520
00:42:26.320 --> 00:42:30.079
<v Speaker 1>Sally reaches out again, telling Wendy the necklace is waiting

521
00:42:30.119 --> 00:42:33.400
<v Speaker 1>for her. She just needs the girl's help to find

522
00:42:33.440 --> 00:42:33.960
<v Speaker 1>her body.

523
00:42:35.599 --> 00:42:38.039
<v Speaker 3>And then she took me by the hand and took

524
00:42:38.079 --> 00:42:40.559
<v Speaker 3>me down the river, and she showed me where she was.

525
00:42:41.559 --> 00:42:43.800
<v Speaker 10>She is the one who showed me, not me.

526
00:42:46.599 --> 00:42:48.960
<v Speaker 3>I saw on the right hand side, going down the

527
00:42:49.039 --> 00:42:58.400
<v Speaker 3>river the hull of a wooden boat, and then fifty

528
00:42:58.480 --> 00:43:00.760
<v Speaker 3>yards down culvert.

529
00:43:02.840 --> 00:43:06.119
<v Speaker 1>The girl points to a place between the blue boat

530
00:43:06.480 --> 00:43:10.960
<v Speaker 1>and the culvert. Sally realizes Wendy's pointing out the location

531
00:43:11.119 --> 00:43:15.639
<v Speaker 1>of her earthly body. The sadness is overwhelming.

532
00:43:17.920 --> 00:43:21.920
<v Speaker 3>This child tore me to shress. This little girl just.

533
00:43:24.280 --> 00:43:32.239
<v Speaker 1>Broke my heart. As difficult as it is, Sally perseveres

534
00:43:33.079 --> 00:43:39.639
<v Speaker 1>determined to help bring Wendy Sadler home. After a flash

535
00:43:39.679 --> 00:43:43.599
<v Speaker 1>flood sweeps away Wendy Sadler, the family calls in psychic

536
00:43:43.800 --> 00:43:48.760
<v Speaker 1>Sally heading Sally connects with a little girl who shows

537
00:43:48.760 --> 00:43:53.559
<v Speaker 1>her where her body is. The psychic calls Assistant Chief Daryl.

538
00:43:53.360 --> 00:43:57.880
<v Speaker 3>McCurtain, and I told him that I saw that they

539
00:43:57.880 --> 00:43:59.960
<v Speaker 3>had to go down in county. They hadn't gone down

540
00:44:00.760 --> 00:44:01.440
<v Speaker 3>south enough.

541
00:44:04.360 --> 00:44:07.599
<v Speaker 1>Sally tells him about the landmarks Wendy's spirit pointed out.

542
00:44:07.519 --> 00:44:11.519
<v Speaker 10>To her, and I said, this is what you look

543
00:44:11.599 --> 00:44:14.880
<v Speaker 10>for on the right hand side, when you see the

544
00:44:14.960 --> 00:44:18.440
<v Speaker 10>hull of a wood boat, and then fifty yards down

545
00:44:18.519 --> 00:44:22.840
<v Speaker 10>you'll see this concrete culvert in which we right in

546
00:44:22.880 --> 00:44:24.000
<v Speaker 10>the middle of those two.

547
00:44:24.639 --> 00:44:25.639
<v Speaker 3>That's where she is.

548
00:44:28.320 --> 00:44:32.360
<v Speaker 1>Mc curtin decides to take the risk and follow the

549
00:44:32.360 --> 00:44:33.440
<v Speaker 1>psychic's directions.

550
00:44:35.079 --> 00:44:37.280
<v Speaker 9>I was kind of afraid to admit to anybody that

551
00:44:37.320 --> 00:44:39.599
<v Speaker 9>I talked to the psychic. You know, we've been from

552
00:44:39.679 --> 00:44:42.039
<v Speaker 9>rural Oklahoma. It's you go out and tell somebody you

553
00:44:42.079 --> 00:44:46.400
<v Speaker 9>talk to the psychic. They're probably gonna thank you're crazy.

554
00:44:45.320 --> 00:44:48.480
<v Speaker 1>But they'll do anything to find Wendy.

555
00:44:48.519 --> 00:44:50.519
<v Speaker 9>We didn't discount it. I mean, we went ahead and

556
00:44:51.000 --> 00:44:54.239
<v Speaker 9>followed every lead we had.

557
00:44:54.719 --> 00:44:58.880
<v Speaker 1>As the search ramps back up, Oklahoma Governor David Walters

558
00:44:58.960 --> 00:45:05.039
<v Speaker 1>flies into help, offering more resources from the state. He

559
00:45:05.079 --> 00:45:08.159
<v Speaker 1>holds a press briefing with David's fire chief Norman Schiplet.

560
00:45:09.679 --> 00:45:11.079
<v Speaker 6>He was trying to stir up with a little more

561
00:45:11.079 --> 00:45:12.920
<v Speaker 6>interest and try to get more people to help search

562
00:45:13.000 --> 00:45:18.119
<v Speaker 6>for the little girl. And after they said get in

563
00:45:18.159 --> 00:45:21.079
<v Speaker 6>with a smooth search the area here from the air

564
00:45:21.159 --> 00:45:22.480
<v Speaker 6>in the helicopter.

565
00:45:23.599 --> 00:45:28.039
<v Speaker 1>They head south over the next county. As Sally instructed.

566
00:45:28.519 --> 00:45:30.679
<v Speaker 6>We got about eight miles down the river and miss

567
00:45:30.920 --> 00:45:33.679
<v Speaker 6>pilot from the highway patrol plane hollered at us and

568
00:45:33.719 --> 00:45:35.239
<v Speaker 6>told us that he had spot to something in that

569
00:45:35.360 --> 00:45:37.119
<v Speaker 6>curve and wanted us to go check it. At it.

570
00:45:39.760 --> 00:45:41.440
<v Speaker 1>The helicopter can get closer.

571
00:45:43.480 --> 00:45:45.760
<v Speaker 6>We went down and dipped down low in the helicopter

572
00:45:45.840 --> 00:45:47.800
<v Speaker 6>where we could see and you can see it part

573
00:45:47.840 --> 00:45:48.400
<v Speaker 6>of the legs.

574
00:45:51.119 --> 00:45:54.960
<v Speaker 1>Searchers and air boats rushed to the site to retrieve

575
00:45:55.000 --> 00:45:55.480
<v Speaker 1>the body.

576
00:45:57.239 --> 00:46:02.639
<v Speaker 3>She was a lovely little cirl just lovely. She touched

577
00:46:02.639 --> 00:46:03.760
<v Speaker 3>my very soul.

578
00:46:05.480 --> 00:46:10.159
<v Speaker 1>To everyone's amazement. The location has all the landmarks, Sally predicted.

579
00:46:11.480 --> 00:46:14.239
<v Speaker 1>Wendy's between a blue boat and a covert.

580
00:46:14.920 --> 00:46:17.800
<v Speaker 9>For somebody to describe a blue boat along the edge

581
00:46:17.800 --> 00:46:20.440
<v Speaker 9>of the river, and for you to actually see that

582
00:46:20.480 --> 00:46:25.480
<v Speaker 9>blue boat, it's just amazing. It just sends chills all

583
00:46:25.480 --> 00:46:28.760
<v Speaker 9>over your body, because here's somebody is two thousand miles

584
00:46:28.760 --> 00:46:32.400
<v Speaker 9>away and can describe something in detail to you.

585
00:46:33.920 --> 00:46:36.320
<v Speaker 1>Sally's other predictions also prove accurate.

586
00:46:38.039 --> 00:46:40.679
<v Speaker 9>She described though, that the girl would be partially clothed,

587
00:46:41.280 --> 00:46:44.559
<v Speaker 9>that she was going to be partially covered with dirt

588
00:46:44.599 --> 00:46:48.480
<v Speaker 9>and debris, and that she'd be laying on her back,

589
00:46:50.800 --> 00:46:53.039
<v Speaker 9>and that's how the girl was found.

590
00:46:55.400 --> 00:46:58.840
<v Speaker 3>I pray this family is healed. It's a terrible tragedy

591
00:46:59.400 --> 00:47:02.360
<v Speaker 3>for any and they have to go through just terrible.

592
00:47:03.760 --> 00:47:15.960
<v Speaker 1>Sally knows she herself has lost a child. Mister and

593
00:47:16.039 --> 00:47:20.840
<v Speaker 1>Missus Sadler can finally lay their two children to rest.

594
00:47:29.239 --> 00:47:32.920
<v Speaker 3>There is in our society the need for conclusion and

595
00:47:33.000 --> 00:47:38.480
<v Speaker 3>finality so we can go on. It's not that we're

596
00:47:38.519 --> 00:47:40.559
<v Speaker 3>ever going to get over it. You do not get

597
00:47:40.599 --> 00:47:50.480
<v Speaker 3>over that, but you learn to go on with your life.

598
00:47:51.719 --> 00:47:54.519
<v Speaker 3>I believe that we have the ability to learn lessons

599
00:47:54.559 --> 00:47:59.039
<v Speaker 3>from these tragedies and become more than we were before.

600
00:48:00.119 --> 00:48:05.719
<v Speaker 3>Reach out and help others, and you become a kinder, nicer,

601
00:48:05.960 --> 00:48:07.320
<v Speaker 3>more aware of human being.

602
00:48:11.440 --> 00:48:15.840
<v Speaker 1>Assistant Chief Daryl mccurtin thanks Sally for helping them find

603
00:48:15.880 --> 00:48:17.800
<v Speaker 1>the kids they searched so long for.

604
00:48:19.039 --> 00:48:21.639
<v Speaker 9>If I ever had a large case where there were

605
00:48:21.719 --> 00:48:25.719
<v Speaker 9>missing people or anything, I would call a psychic again.

606
00:48:26.400 --> 00:48:28.920
<v Speaker 9>And I've still got Sally's business card.

607
00:48:29.039 --> 00:48:36.679
<v Speaker 1>Eleven years later, the stories couldn't be more different. A

608
00:48:36.760 --> 00:48:39.880
<v Speaker 1>madman on the loose leaving a trail of blood and

609
00:48:39.960 --> 00:48:44.800
<v Speaker 1>death behind him, and an unexpected storm wrenching two children

610
00:48:44.840 --> 00:48:48.800
<v Speaker 1>from their parents' arms. But both cases left families torn

611
00:48:49.280 --> 00:48:53.599
<v Speaker 1>and police willing to do anything to help, including working

612
00:48:53.639 --> 00:48:58.519
<v Speaker 1>with gifted psychics to put their amazing abilities to the test.

613
00:49:20.239 --> 00:49:24.280
<v Speaker 1>Anything can, anything,
