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Speaker 2: to Heart be the aviation. Next for Jay Raffle of
Speaker 2: A thirty Corey Bowman's going to join the program in
Speaker 2: one hour telephone. This time. He won't be in studio,
Speaker 2: but we're going to get his comments about the debate
Speaker 2: and his campaign seems to be doing pretty well by
Speaker 2: all accounts, and someone knows all about that. Our citizen watchdog,
Speaker 2: Todd Zinzer, former Inspector General, is in studio. Todd Man,
Speaker 2: it's always a pleasure. You know so much about what's
Speaker 2: going on in the city of Cincinnati. It just cracks
Speaker 2: me up. A couple of story as you talked about
Speaker 2: as you came in the in the studio this morning,
Speaker 2: you have got me laughing, and we're gonna get to those.
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna keep that information under wraps, but it's
Speaker 2: good to have you in the studio. Mike Ran, thank
Speaker 2: you for what you're doing. Oh and real quick, I
Speaker 2: just want to interject, because cribbage, Mike, My listeners know cribbage.
Speaker 2: Mike's guy I played cribbage with. He was a submariner.
Speaker 2: Thank you for your service to our country, but also
Speaker 2: for passing this along. If you're gonna go to the parade,
Speaker 2: there's gonna be something extra special going on. Mike. Let
Speaker 2: me know that he along with his local submarine veterans,
Speaker 2: are going to be in the opening day parade with
Speaker 2: the thirty foot replica of the United USS Cincinnati sub
Speaker 2: and he noted that the actual parts of the decommission
Speaker 2: in the USS Cincinnati will be the centerpiece of the
Speaker 2: Cold War Memorial and Museum at the Voice of America Park.
Speaker 2: So keep your eyes peeled for that, and give him
Speaker 2: a big round of applause and thank those guys for
Speaker 2: the amazing service for our country. Can you imagine being
Speaker 2: stuck in that tin can underwater for I think he
Speaker 2: said his longest was fifty seven days or something like that.
Speaker 2: Tough job. That is tough job, Toms Enzers got keep
Speaker 2: it on top of all the fraud, waste and abuse
Speaker 2: in Shenanigans going on. Let us begin with have to
Speaker 2: have provol Okay, we'll get to the debate and your
Speaker 2: perception of the debate a little bit later in the segment.
Speaker 2: But let me tell my listeners about the complaint that's
Speaker 2: been filed, because I think we have what is rightfully
Speaker 2: called a Shenanigan's declaration in the form of a lawsuit.
Speaker 3: Well, it's a complaint to the Ohio Election Commission.
Speaker 2: Oh, okay, okay, Oh, you see.
Speaker 3: Filed by Kurt Hartman. Ah, Kurt's at it again, And
Speaker 3: the report in the Inquirer said he filed it on
Speaker 3: behalf of Jim Burns. People who are in the Republican
Speaker 3: Party know who Jim Burns is. But the complaint is
Speaker 3: about debt that Mayor Purval has on his financial disclosure
Speaker 3: report to three different outfits totally in about eighty thousand dollars.
Speaker 2: So you got to file a financial disclosure report in
Speaker 2: connection with what campaign contributions, the work that's been done
Speaker 2: on behalf of the campaign, that kind of thing, exactly.
Speaker 3: Okay, you have to disclose your donors and then you
Speaker 3: have to disclose what you spent your donors' money on.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 3: So the complaint concerns the fact that this debt was
Speaker 3: on the books for Mayor of purvol so long that
Speaker 3: it's essentially forgiven under election law.
Speaker 2: I guess, almost like a statute of limitations.
Speaker 3: It's statute of limitations. And so Kurt's complaint is that
Speaker 3: the fact that these debts were allowed to expire constitute
Speaker 3: campaign contributions.
Speaker 2: Okay, the money that is expressed this debt, that's for
Speaker 2: services rendered. Yes, So if I'm doing like legal work
Speaker 2: on behalf of a campaign, or you know, I've I've
Speaker 2: printed up signs on behalf of a campaign, the presumption
Speaker 2: is that is disclosed, it's listed as a debt, and
Speaker 2: that the debtor pays back for the services that I render.
Speaker 2: That's Correct's exactly what these three line items represent. Yes.
Speaker 3: In the three firms include Perkins cooy Oh. Now the
Speaker 3: Enquirer says it's Seattle base, but they're very they at
Speaker 3: least during Russia Gate, which is what they were all
Speaker 3: caught up in. They're a Washington, d C. Law firm,
Speaker 3: and then he owes them fifty eight thousand dollars. The
Speaker 3: second is an outfit called Spiro's Consulting, also a big
Speaker 3: Democrat consulting firm in Washington, d C. And the third
Speaker 3: is SKD Knickerbocker and Mayor Purvol's campaign owes them fifteen
Speaker 3: thousand dollars. So SKD Knickerbocker is a heavy hitter in
Speaker 3: the Democratic circles in Washington, d C. And as it
Speaker 3: turns out, that's the outfit that the Norfolk Southern's Political
Speaker 3: Action Committee used during the railway campaign. And SKD Knickerbocker
Speaker 3: got about ninety percent of that six million dollars.
Speaker 2: And I running the propaganda campaign to sell the railroad.
Speaker 3: Yes, that was sk Knickerbocker. I don't know if this
Speaker 3: bureau's consulting was part of the railway campaign or not,
Speaker 3: but it could have been. But there's definitely some interconnections there.
Speaker 2: Well, I would say, and it's like rounding up the
Speaker 2: usual suspects, getting the gang back together. Yeah, we're putting
Speaker 2: the band back together. Yeah, where's anyway, that's right, it's
Speaker 2: late for lunch, that's right. Hey, it was me money.
Speaker 3: So the only issue is and actually when I filed
Speaker 3: a complaint against Purvoll's campaign during the railway campaign, if
Speaker 3: you remember Mayor purval in the Political Action Committee for
Speaker 3: Norfolk Southern shared the same treasurer.
Speaker 2: Remember that it's a really incestuous relationship. Yes, it is.
Speaker 3: So the complaint we filed was that who's deciding that
Speaker 3: Mayor Purval is in these commercials? Is that his campaign treasurer,
Speaker 3: who's running the Folks Southern campaign. So we we filed
Speaker 3: that complaint. In the penalties for violations of Ohio election
Speaker 3: law is kind of pitiful and at least the report
Speaker 3: in the report in the Enquirer this morning said that
Speaker 3: the potential penalties are one hundred dollars a day.
Speaker 2: So this has been sitting around for three years. Though,
Speaker 2: you know what you said at the outset, I don't
Speaker 2: well statched limitations.
Speaker 3: I think it's probably I don't know exactly how long,
Speaker 3: but it's probably five years, I would think so. But
Speaker 3: the commit Election Commission is not gonna if they even
Speaker 3: hear the complaint, they're not going to impose a significant
Speaker 3: penalty like that. I'd be very very surprised.
Speaker 2: Well why is that? I mean, they have a record
Speaker 2: of being, you know, light the touches.
Speaker 3: Yes, when I filed my complaint back during the railway campaign,
Speaker 3: Kurt even told me that, well, you'll get a good
Speaker 3: experience going to the Election Commission, but don't expect a
Speaker 3: lot of results.
Speaker 2: Well, who sits on the election Commission. I didn't really.
Speaker 3: Look into that. I'm assuming that there are appointees of
Speaker 3: the governor, but don't I don't really know. I think
Speaker 3: there are appointees from the governor.
Speaker 2: Well, you'd like to think that they would be politically
Speaker 2: neutral if there is a violation, and let's just assume,
Speaker 2: for the sake of this discussion, is a clear violation.
Speaker 2: He owes these people money and he didn't pay it,
Speaker 2: which means he got services for free, and as services
Speaker 2: translate to a campaign contribution under law. Yes, so if
Speaker 2: any politician, Republican or Democrat did that, then you'd like
Speaker 2: to think that the reason that there is a penalty
Speaker 2: for doing that is to prevent people from getting free
Speaker 2: campaign contributions and campaign dollars. And well, that's disturbing that
Speaker 2: they don't exercise their enforcement power.
Speaker 3: Right and as a result, the campaigns just look at
Speaker 3: it as these whatever penalties they get is kind of
Speaker 3: the cost of doing business.
Speaker 2: So, well, you wonder why there's three Well, I know
Speaker 2: why they wouldn't seek a collection's actions or you know,
Speaker 2: send a letter, a dunning letter or something, is because
Speaker 2: they're Democrats and they wanted to get a Democrat elected.
Speaker 2: That was their job, and they succeeded in that regard.
Speaker 3: Yes, that's that would be my analysis as well.
Speaker 2: But that's why it's considered a campaign contribution.
Speaker 3: That is what Kurt's alleging.
Speaker 2: Yes, okay, so he at least goes through the process.
Speaker 2: Obviously it's been exposed in the Enquirer, so it's negative
Speaker 2: press for pro of all. We can all say, well,
Speaker 2: this doesn't seem right, it doesn't smell right, and we
Speaker 2: can all look to the Elections Commission and if they
Speaker 2: don't do anything about it, maybe we can press the
Speaker 2: governor or whoever appoints the individual and the Election Commission
Speaker 2: to do a better job of appointees and get people
Speaker 2: on there like judges that we elect that don't enforce
Speaker 2: the law right to start doing their job. Right.
Speaker 3: So, the good thing about the complaint we filed, and
Speaker 3: I actually talk about this on my latest podcast, is
Speaker 3: that we got an Aftha David from Mayor Purval's treasurer
Speaker 3: who basically said, well, I wasn't just making the decisions
Speaker 3: about these commercials. We had a steering committee for the pack. Well,
Speaker 3: the steering committee's never been identified. We don't know who
Speaker 3: the steering committee is, who its membership is, and you
Speaker 3: know that's another one of these secret you know, deals
Speaker 3: with the city. So and the reason I started, the
Speaker 3: reason I went back to it is because of this
Speaker 3: arena issue where this five oh one C four has
Speaker 3: been formed and you know that's that's a potential dark
Speaker 3: money source.
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Speaker 2: On Thinking about CARECDE talk Station Happy Variety. Eve Todd
Speaker 2: Zens are former Inspector General and he's basically effectively the
Speaker 2: Inspector General or DOGE for the city of Cincinnati. Pivoting
Speaker 2: over to the new sports arena. You say it's called
Speaker 2: the Heritage Center, Now, I always call it the Coliseum
Speaker 2: because I'm old. Yes, that's the building. Yes, and they
Speaker 2: still have events there by the way. Oh yeah, okay, I.
Speaker 3: Don't know how. One of the issues is that they
Speaker 3: think with a new arena that they will have, they'll
Speaker 3: be able to put more events in a new arena
Speaker 3: than the one that Heritage has.
Speaker 2: So the claim is we're missing out on some big acts,
Speaker 2: big draws because there's not enough seating there for like
Speaker 2: the artists, and you know, hey, I'm selling out twenty
Speaker 2: five thirty thousand seat arenas that's only got what fifteen
Speaker 2: thousand seat centers or.
Speaker 3: Something like that. I think that's probably right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, okay, I've seen the gazillion concerts there, and
Speaker 2: I know the acoustics suck, and I know it's old,
Speaker 2: but well, they also prey.
Speaker 3: On the uh, the fact that Cincinna, he's a sports town,
Speaker 3: and they say, oh, we want to get the NCAA
Speaker 3: tournament here.
Speaker 2: And okay, so grandiose ideas. Yeah, I think they tried
Speaker 2: to get the Olympics here too one time. You have, right,
Speaker 2: what a colossal waste of effort that is. Anyway, So
Speaker 2: my understanding from you and off air comments is the
Speaker 2: local businesses want the if there is a new one,
Speaker 2: and we haven't gotten into the logistics and realities whether
Speaker 2: or not we even afforded. They wanted to stay in
Speaker 2: the same place.
Speaker 3: Right, the businesses that the banks have an association, They
Speaker 3: even have a little taxing authority that group does. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and they want to keep the arena on the banks,
Speaker 3: and there's a lot of people that agree with them.
Speaker 3: But the people proposing a new arena, they've concluded that
Speaker 3: that footprint of the current arena isn't large enough for
Speaker 3: the size arena they want to build.
Speaker 2: Do we know what size arena that they want to build.
Speaker 2: Is there's some proposal and no, it's going to have
Speaker 2: like this many seasons.
Speaker 3: Yes, the it was either the regional Chamber or a
Speaker 3: consultant for the Regional Chamber has done a study for them,
Speaker 3: and it's several months old. Now, okay, I haven't looked
Speaker 3: at it recently, but it's it's it's not all that persuasive,
Speaker 3: to be honest with you.
Speaker 2: And for what specific reasons?
Speaker 3: Well, they you know, for example, they conclude that the
Speaker 3: current arena would have to shut down and not have
Speaker 3: any events.
Speaker 2: Well, it's probably owned. They can't do that, that's right.
Speaker 3: So they're there. Their proposal assumes that they're not going
Speaker 3: to have any competition for these events. And I don't
Speaker 3: think the Heritage Center is going to go.
Speaker 2: Are they going to get rid of P and C
Speaker 2: Pavilion or Riverbend too? Yeah, look at them all and
Speaker 2: the one that's across the river.
Speaker 3: That is one thing you hear from people is that
Speaker 3: don't we have enough around here?
Speaker 2: I know, but you're hoping. I think they are hoping
Speaker 2: that if you build this new grand facility that they're
Speaker 2: going to get like the NC two A tournaments to correct. Okay,
Speaker 2: all right, now, pivoting over to the location that is proposed.
Speaker 2: I know the current owners and the resident or the
Speaker 2: businesses around the Heritage Center want it to stay there.
Speaker 2: Let's assume for the sake of discussion, there isn't a
Speaker 2: big enough footprint. Where do the powers that be that
Speaker 2: are pushing this agenda item want it to go.
Speaker 3: Well, the the two locations that I've heard about is
Speaker 3: someplace in Queensgate I'm not exactly sure aware. Uh, And
Speaker 3: then the other is right there on Central Avenue where
Speaker 3: WCEET is.
Speaker 2: Oh sure.
Speaker 3: I think they've tried to talk to WCET about selling out,
Speaker 3: and WCET has come back with an outrageous amount of
Speaker 3: money that it will I be so to move. I
Speaker 3: think it's up like the fifty million or something like
Speaker 3: that to move to move them.
Speaker 2: But that wouldn't be the only property to have to
Speaker 2: acquire to build a big facility there. They'd have to
Speaker 2: acquire a lot of land around there. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I'm not really sure about all that, but it will
Speaker 3: take a lot of land.
Speaker 2: And a lot of money. Yes, yeah, your negotiation power
Speaker 2: goes up dramatically. It's like the last person standing over
Speaker 2: with the rook would comp remember that one house that
Speaker 2: they refuse to give in and that one loan house
Speaker 2: with all the open field land, after all the other
Speaker 2: houses have been knocked down, you can hold out, you
Speaker 2: can get a lot of money. Yeah, well, let's talk
Speaker 2: about the financials on this one, wherever it might happen
Speaker 2: to go. I guess the folks that the Heritage aren't
Speaker 2: going to sell and they're not going to close down
Speaker 2: their operation. It sort of renders this entire conversation moot.
Speaker 3: Well, like I said, I think that the proponents of
Speaker 3: the new arena are assuming that the current arena will
Speaker 3: go away. But you know they could stick around and
Speaker 3: outcompete the new arena.
Speaker 2: They certainly could. Those pause will bring former Inspector General
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Speaker 2: Seven fifty five KRCD talk Station, Happy Friday. Eve dodds
Speaker 2: Ends are in studio again his podcast Citizen Watchdog, talking
Speaker 2: about the kind of thing we're talking about here at
Speaker 2: fifty five KRC Morning Show this morning. Well, I told
Speaker 2: you off air that this whole arena thing seems sort
Speaker 2: of kind of half baked, and it's not even half
Speaker 2: Biga's it's like an amorphous blob under the head and
Speaker 2: under the heading we need a new And then as
Speaker 2: soon as you pull back to Veneer of just the
Speaker 2: general concept, because you might get everybody nod their head
Speaker 2: and go, yeah, wouldn't it be nice? Youah, the Colisseum
Speaker 2: or you know, Heritage Center, it sucks. It's outdated. I
Speaker 2: remember seeing since any Stingers playing there back in the
Speaker 2: seventies and it hasn't changed much. You know, it's not
Speaker 2: big enough. You get the big act, So okay, that
Speaker 2: sounds like a great idea, and then as soon as
Speaker 2: you move to the logistics behind it, it just seems
Speaker 2: like an insurmountable task. Yeah, so you've got location problems.
Speaker 2: They want it to be, say on Central Avenue, but
Speaker 2: you have to buy out the stub Cet building and
Speaker 2: then a whole lot of other privately owned properties around that.
Speaker 2: So acquisition costs for just the land you haven't even
Speaker 2: put a brick in the ground in terms of building
Speaker 2: that the stadium, and you're already tens of millions of
Speaker 2: dollars in the hole from an acquisition costs. Plus they'll
Speaker 2: probably be litigation because some people wouldn't want to sell,
Speaker 2: like you're not going not to our neighborhood. There's always that.
Speaker 2: Then you've got the competition factor that you pointed out.
Speaker 2: Heritage we're privately own. We're not going to shut down.
Speaker 2: Screw you guys, right, we can still get draws. An
Speaker 2: actor comes in that can't fill a thirty thousands for arena,
Speaker 2: we've got fifteen thousand. They may sell that out. We're
Speaker 2: the perfect size. There's also Riverbend PNC, the venue across
Speaker 2: the street of the univer across the river over at
Speaker 2: the University. I'm sorry, I can't remember what that one's called.
Speaker 2: And of course the smaller venues like the Brady Center,
Speaker 2: which you know, we're talking different types of acts. We've
Speaker 2: got a lot, a whole lot and then money. Of
Speaker 2: course money relates to ecxisitions. But we all have a
Speaker 2: bad taste in our mouth from the stadium deal. But
Speaker 2: you told me off air, and it's important for listeners
Speaker 2: to know there's a five O one C four corporation
Speaker 2: that's behind this.
Speaker 3: Yes, the Hamilton County Growth Alliance.
Speaker 2: Wait till you hear what their idea is. Listeners who
Speaker 2: know what the stadium deal, remember when you voted to
Speaker 2: build the stadium FKA Paul Brown Stadium in Great American Ballpark,
Speaker 2: what did you agree to. You agreed to pay more
Speaker 2: taxes for the purposes of building those two venues, and
Speaker 2: then you got stabbed in the back because they didn't
Speaker 2: get the reduction of taxes that was promised to you
Speaker 2: when you voted for it. So with that background, go ahead.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, the report about the Hamilton County Growth Alliance
Speaker 3: is that one of the sources of funding that they're
Speaker 3: looking for, they think they'll be able to get access
Speaker 3: to the tax sales tax receipts that were approved by
Speaker 3: the voters for the stadium and the Great American Ballpark.
Speaker 3: And I don't understand that enough to know what they're
Speaker 3: really even talking about. It doesn't sound like that's going
Speaker 3: to happen.
Speaker 2: No, And if they've somehow got their hand in that
Speaker 2: cookie jar, maybe there might be litigation related to doing that.
Speaker 3: Well, here's the thing about five oh one C fours
Speaker 3: is that they do not have to disclose their donors.
Speaker 3: So that creates a situation where where it kind of
Speaker 3: becomes or could become, what they call dark money, and
Speaker 3: that that money you don't know who it's coming from,
Speaker 3: and you don't know what other areas of our civic
Speaker 3: life that they're influencing. For example, two incumbent members of
Speaker 3: city Council came right out supporting the Hamilton County Growth
Speaker 3: Alliance and you have to wonder, well, what's their relationship
Speaker 3: with this five oh one C.
Speaker 2: Four going back to have to have provall financial disclosure
Speaker 2: statements of just chuckling along those.
Speaker 3: Lines, and it is it is a very similar situation.
Speaker 3: You don't know who the donors are, just like you
Speaker 3: don't for the Hamilton County Growth Alliance, just like you
Speaker 3: don't know who's on the steering committee. And there's there's
Speaker 3: a lot of secrets that go on in this town.
Speaker 3: I've always heard about the meeting before the meeting, which
Speaker 3: means somehow the city council members get together and make
Speaker 3: decisions before they come into the council room.
Speaker 2: And it got me thinking that it sounds like the
Speaker 2: Gang of Five problem.
Speaker 3: Uh, well, I don't know how they do it. Like
Speaker 3: do you remember the scandal that Sherry Coolidge reported on
Speaker 3: about the railroad board meeting in executive session and making
Speaker 3: decisions in executive session?
Speaker 2: Oh? Sure, an executive session excludes the public.
Speaker 3: Yes, right, Well, I've never seen the city council go
Speaker 3: into executive session to talk about anything. Where when do
Speaker 3: they get their information about what they're voting on? It's
Speaker 3: got I think what happens is.
Speaker 2: I think what I think?
Speaker 3: What happens that the city manager. I heard her speak
Speaker 3: one time and she kind of let it slip. She
Speaker 3: kind of indicated that she meets with every member of
Speaker 3: city Council on a regular basis.
Speaker 2: Individually, individually.
Speaker 3: And I know that's what Aftab did on or Mayor
Speaker 3: Purval did on the railway deal. They kept that secret
Speaker 3: and he would he went around and I think he
Speaker 3: said this, He went around to each member of city
Speaker 3: council individually on the QT to tell them that hey,
Speaker 3: we're talking about selling a railway and I thought that
Speaker 3: was very unusual.
Speaker 2: Well, and of course the transparency raw laws and rules
Speaker 2: would require them to announce this and make it an
Speaker 2: open discussion. And we know the Gang of five got
Speaker 2: in trouble because they were making decisions collect five of
Speaker 2: them anyway behind the scenes, got busted for that. So
Speaker 2: you're telling me the way around this and the way
Speaker 2: they work around this, which is very easy to do.
Speaker 2: It just requires a little more time. Rather than meeting
Speaker 2: one big room, you got the mayor going individually and
Speaker 2: then talking to one of the council people and saying, hey,
Speaker 2: the other council people I've already talked to have already
Speaker 2: agreed with me that this is the direction we need
Speaker 2: to go. Are you on board with me on this?
Speaker 3: I think that's how I think that's how it has
Speaker 3: to be working. Because they have litigation, they have personnel matters,
Speaker 3: they have all kinds of things that you know they
Speaker 3: should discuss as a council but not in public. That's
Speaker 3: why executive sessions exist. But you never see them going
Speaker 3: into executive session. So I don't know how they deliberate.
Speaker 2: I think you may have stubbled upon it. Todd Zenzer,
Speaker 2: which is why you're great at what you do seven
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Speaker 2: opening day, fifty eight is going to be our high
Speaker 2: today down to forty eight over night with a few showers.
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Speaker 2: Seven fifty bou KR City Talk Station. I love my
Speaker 2: conversations with Todd Zinzer, and I hope you enjoy them
Speaker 2: as much as I do. Kind of frustrating recognizing all
Speaker 2: the problems that you are uncovering and all the realities
Speaker 2: that make them even seem even more batcrap insane than
Speaker 2: they are. Todd, you got the Shenanigans going along with it, Like,
Speaker 2: how are all these efforts just like sort of coordinated
Speaker 2: and magically show up one day where everybody's in agreement
Speaker 2: on what's going to happen. But before we get to
Speaker 2: your thoughts and impressions on the mayor, Old debate the
Speaker 2: other day, which I'm interested in. The city borrowed another
Speaker 2: thirty million dollars yesterday.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they they approved either approved that, they just moved
Speaker 3: it on to another another meeting. But the bottom line
Speaker 3: is they're going to borrow thirty million dollars. They're going
Speaker 3: to issue bonds for an additional thirty million dollars five
Speaker 3: point five I think for health center and OTR and
Speaker 3: twenty nine million for a like a community center around
Speaker 3: Findley around Finley Market, because.
Speaker 2: They're gonna be a whole brand new couple of buildings
Speaker 2: for these Yes, they're relocating. Well, they're selling off a
Speaker 2: whole bunch of buildings like the Elms and Ducky building
Speaker 2: and some of the other buildings were identify up for sale.
Speaker 3: That's the county.
Speaker 2: Oh, that's the county. Okay, okay, okay.
Speaker 3: And it's funny because that's the same thing that's going
Speaker 3: on in the federal government everybody's complaining about. I didn't
Speaker 3: hear the county commissioners are smart enough to do it
Speaker 3: here locally, so good for them.
Speaker 2: Good for them. Yeah, I agree, but I just I mean,
Speaker 2: there has to be available space. I mean, isn't something
Speaker 2: out there that is being unused or could be easily
Speaker 2: acquired that wouldn't require that level of capital expenditure to
Speaker 2: have it done and accomplish the goals they want to accomplish. Oh,
Speaker 2: but it won't be LEADS certified or something, right, Yeah, exactly,
Speaker 2: And it won't put their friends in the construction business
Speaker 2: and do more jobs either. Huh.
Speaker 3: Well, that area is getting a lot of has gotten
Speaker 3: and it continues to get a lot of resources from
Speaker 3: the city.
Speaker 2: All right, but in terms of dollars and cents you
Speaker 2: mentioned to me off air, it's important to understand they
Speaker 2: had they got an initial twenty one million dollars laying
Speaker 2: around over there.
Speaker 3: Well, the city manager issues a memo every month about
Speaker 3: the finances, and this most recent memos is that they
Speaker 3: have collected twenty one million dollars more than they had
Speaker 3: budgeted for. So they're in high cotton right now in
Speaker 3: terms of in terms of.
Speaker 2: Cash, well, just write a check. At least one building
Speaker 2: is only five and only five and a half million
Speaker 2: dollars they could pay for that other pocket. Well that's
Speaker 2: what that's what I think. But I guess I guess
Speaker 2: that's not how they do business. So did were the
Speaker 2: terms of conditions of the borrowing released. I mean, what
Speaker 2: the percentage of interest is, how many how many years
Speaker 2: it's going to be we're paying interest on them.
Speaker 3: They're going to leave all that up to the finance
Speaker 3: department for the city. So they have just general parameters
Speaker 3: that they that they've approved, but the actual borrowing is
Speaker 3: going to be decided by the city administration.
Speaker 2: And of course the taxpayers have no say in this matter.
Speaker 3: No our says. As soon as they vote to approve it,
Speaker 3: ur say, is pretty much over.
Speaker 2: I think, jeez, did anybody vote or come to some
Speaker 2: understanding that yes, these are absolutely necessary structures to build.
Speaker 3: Well, that's all done by the city council, and it's
Speaker 3: all you know we talked.
Speaker 2: About how they Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm sure. All right,
Speaker 2: Well let's pause. We'll bring Todd back his analysis of
Speaker 2: the mayor old debate one more with citizen watchdog Todd Zenzer.
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Speaker 2: Seven nine fifty five cair Cdcalk Station one more with
Speaker 2: in studio Todds Enter Citizen Watchdog the podcast. Follow him
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Speaker 2: all over the Shenanigans going on, mostly in City Council.
Speaker 2: Before I get you know, every time we go out
Speaker 2: of Breakman, you give me something else I want to
Speaker 2: talk about. I want you to, really, really quickly, just
Speaker 2: give us an update on the status of the Hyde
Speaker 2: Park redevelopment, which requires a zoning change, a variance from
Speaker 2: the zoning laws. Now Hyde Park has a say on
Speaker 2: certain matters. They've got their own community council and they're
Speaker 2: against it. The citizens of Hide Park don't want that,
Speaker 2: absolutely no, not in my backyard. The City of Cincinnati
Speaker 2: City Council wants it. Well.
Speaker 3: I believe that they will vote to approve it if
Speaker 3: but only because they're so far in the pocket of
Speaker 3: these developers.
Speaker 2: Right, we've talked about how influential these developers are with
Speaker 2: the city council members and the mayor. So if the
Speaker 2: city pushes it forward and approves it, that trumps what
Speaker 2: the voters in Hyde Park want. Yes, absolutely, which may
Speaker 2: have a significant outcome on the upcoming elections.
Speaker 3: Well, I would think so if you've got a voting
Speaker 3: block over they have over three thousand I think I
Speaker 3: heard the number thirty five hundred signatures on a petition. Now,
Speaker 3: that's a pretty big voting block.
Speaker 2: And that's a significant amount of moneyed voters as well. Yes,
Speaker 2: it is. They sometimes write campaign checks. And here's the thing.
Speaker 3: They're not opposing development. They're opposing this development because it
Speaker 3: doesn't conform to the current zoning right, and it seems
Speaker 3: like a no brainer for the council to say, you
Speaker 3: know what, let's think about this some more.
Speaker 2: No, Okay, I got my popcorn out on that one,
Speaker 2: and none of this influences me, But man, I'm telling
Speaker 2: you that could have a sizeable, sizeable influence on the
Speaker 2: upcoming election. So, pivoting over to that, you were there
Speaker 2: for the debate the other night, I was what do
Speaker 2: you think? What was your takeaway? Because what I heard
Speaker 2: primarily from Jim Keefer. I mean, he did get into
Speaker 2: some specific topics, but generally speaking the moderator was quite
Speaker 2: biased in favor of Aftab Purvoll.
Speaker 3: I think for the most part. Yes, I mean earlier,
Speaker 3: the first question out of the box for all three, well,
Speaker 3: for the two Republicans, the question was what qualifies you
Speaker 3: to be mayor? And then for Mayor Pervoll, the question
Speaker 3: was what have been your accomplishments? Okay, so right off
Speaker 3: the bat, so that led him into probably it was
Speaker 3: much longer than two minutes. A whole narrative, which is
Speaker 3: all he's all about, is narrative of all his accomplishments,
Speaker 3: including the railroad sale. He took credit for the Brent
Speaker 3: Spence Bridge, even though that's been an op you know,
Speaker 3: an ongoing saga for decades.
Speaker 2: Obama campaign in front of the bridge.
Speaker 3: He took credit for connected communities, which nobody likes. And
Speaker 3: so he went through all of his accomplishments and which
Speaker 3: I think is a good thing, so that Corey Bowman
Speaker 3: knows exactly what his narrative is and can start poking
Speaker 3: holes in it.
Speaker 2: I agree, it's a perfect setup. It's like bullet points.
Speaker 2: Here's what Pervall's proud of and his accomplished. Here's why
Speaker 2: it was a bad idea and a bad thing.
Speaker 3: Yes and template. So I went to City Hall yesterday,
Speaker 3: to the City council meeting, and I suggested that or
Speaker 3: I said, one question that wasn't asked, that should have
Speaker 3: been asked, is the candidates that emerged from the primary,
Speaker 3: will you commit to additional debates in the general election?
Speaker 2: And of course the council and the mayor don't have
Speaker 2: to answer questions that you pose, but you posed it anyway.
Speaker 2: What was the reaction from Provoll?
Speaker 3: He was pretty deadpan. Actually, I'm sure he doesn't have
Speaker 3: much of a reaction, which which kind of leads to
Speaker 3: my working in DC for over twenty years, and this
Speaker 3: is I think a lot of people do this. You
Speaker 3: put politicians in one of two camps. They're either a
Speaker 3: show horse or a workhorse. And Mayor Parvoll is a
Speaker 3: show horse. I think Corey Bowman is a workhorse. Yeah,
Speaker 3: And so I think that's the choice that voters are
Speaker 3: going to have. And mister Purval is all about the narratives,
Speaker 3: and I don't really know that he feels what Corey
Speaker 3: Bowman feels. In terms of the condition of the city
Speaker 3: and Corey.
Speaker 2: I've talked to Corey face to face quite a few times.
Speaker 2: I like the man. I like how engaged he is.
Speaker 2: You know, he doesn't come across at all as a
Speaker 2: polished politician, but he is passionate about the city. He
Speaker 2: loves the city. He has invested in an area that
Speaker 2: most people don't invest in, and he understands that there
Speaker 2: are some people that really truly wanted to invest in
Speaker 2: that particular area or by Dayton Street, but they had
Speaker 2: roadblocks down the way by city council that it doesn't
Speaker 2: conform with what their vision of a community should be,
Speaker 2: you know, denser housing and this whole connected community's crap.
Speaker 2: And since the developers that wanted to put money into
Speaker 2: the neighborhood weren't planning on doing something like that, then
Speaker 2: they just basically were told that.
Speaker 3: And what Corey pointed out in the debate on Tuesday
Speaker 3: night was that it seems like the city council wants
Speaker 3: to rely on these big developers to come in and
Speaker 3: do these big developments, and meanwhile Corey wants to support
Speaker 3: the local builders and the local developers that have designs
Speaker 3: on smaller developments.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the one big difference.
Speaker 3: Well yeah, well, I guess we'll see what happens. But
Speaker 3: I thought Corey did a good job. Again, mister purvol
Speaker 3: is very polished. Yeah, and it was. I thought it
Speaker 3: was a very informative, very entertaining debate.
Speaker 2: Great. Well, I'm glad you're able to be there. You
Speaker 2: happen to always take you take time out of your
Speaker 2: life and your other responsibilities to always manage to be
Speaker 2: at the city Council, to be at the open events,
Speaker 2: to be the take up on the opportunity to follow
Speaker 2: politics and very closely and on behalf of all of
Speaker 2: my listeners, most notably the residents of the City of
Speaker 2: Cincinnati today's topics. I appreciate what you're doing. I really
Speaker 2: do well. Thank you, Brian, because we don't get reporting
Speaker 2: that are providing this type of information, and if it
Speaker 2: is provided, it comes across with a certain measure of bias.
Speaker 2: I agree with that. You just report the facts as
Speaker 2: you observe them. Thanks again, brother, I appreciate you coming
Speaker 2: in and spending time with a citizen Watchdog podcast. You
Speaker 2: find him online, Todd zens or We'll help you back again.
Speaker 2: I hope real soon. Stick around. Speaking of Corey Bowman,
Speaker 2: he's going to call in the program after the top
Speaker 2: of the UR News. Then we get to hear from
Speaker 2: my heart media aviation expert Jay Ratl. I've got a
Speaker 2: great list of topics with Jay. I'll be right back.
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