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<v Speaker 1>Get ready.

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<v Speaker 2>And hey, it's the first day of July twenty twenty six,

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<v Speaker 2>allegedly according to that thing we call a calendar, and

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<v Speaker 2>I am live here on a Wednesday, Wednesday, middle of

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<v Speaker 2>the week, all that good stuff, and glad to be here.

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<v Speaker 1>Although I went to air lait, so.

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<v Speaker 2>Most of you will be hearing the podcast I know. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>even if I didn't go to air late, you'd be

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<v Speaker 2>hearing the podcast because that's just the way things work now. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>glad to do it, especially every other Wednesday. Generally speaking,

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<v Speaker 2>I have author Larry Hancock with me.

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<v Speaker 1>Who is the author of a great.

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<v Speaker 2>Many books, but today's focus might be on books that

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<v Speaker 2>are titled things like Tipping Point someone would have talked,

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<v Speaker 2>oh and the Oswald Puzzle, which if you haven't gotten

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<v Speaker 2>the updated version of it, I would highly recommend it.

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<v Speaker 2>But also, you know various writings Larry Hancock's blog whoops,

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<v Speaker 2>I spoiled it.

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<v Speaker 1>That's who's with me, And if you're a regular listener you.

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<v Speaker 2>Already know that. But anyway, you know, I recommend all

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<v Speaker 2>of Larry's books. They're all on my shelf. And even

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<v Speaker 2>if I sell off a bunch of my books, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not selling those just saying so I will keep them

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<v Speaker 2>because they are among the best of the best that

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<v Speaker 2>you can possibly acquire.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's just that simple.

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<v Speaker 2>I might recommend some other things that have more photos

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<v Speaker 2>or better photos in them than Larry's books.

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<v Speaker 1>Sorry, Larry.

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<v Speaker 2>I might recommend some stuff that has, you know, verbatim

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<v Speaker 2>interviews in it that maybe Larry didn't reproduce in his books.

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<v Speaker 2>You know that other people went out of their way

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<v Speaker 2>to simply collect a bunch of interviews. Things like this,

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<v Speaker 2>I will recommend outside of Larry's books or even honestly,

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<v Speaker 2>Walt Brown's, well, his entire chronology is a piece of

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<v Speaker 2>work that is unequaled by anybody. I mean, there's thirty

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<v Speaker 2>thousand pages in there. What are you gonna do? Okay?

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<v Speaker 2>But outside of that, you know, when you're talking about

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<v Speaker 2>individual volumes, the behavior of the national security state in

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<v Speaker 2>America and elsewhere, whether you're talking about UAP, you're talking

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<v Speaker 2>about the chaos created or creating chaos, I should say,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, And when it comes to Russia and oh

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<v Speaker 2>my America surprise attack, I mean shadow warfare, the awful

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<v Speaker 2>grace of God, Am I naming all your books? No,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not gonna get there, Larry. But the thing is this,

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<v Speaker 2>they're all valuable, and they're all worth the time and

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<v Speaker 2>space that you will take up with them by reading

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<v Speaker 2>them and owning them if you don't already have them.

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<v Speaker 2>And In Denial, you hear a little ad for still

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<v Speaker 2>played on this show. Even though I probably sold all

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<v Speaker 2>of the copies of In Denial to whoever I'm going

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<v Speaker 2>to sell them to, I'll still play that anyway, because

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<v Speaker 2>we need to break up. You know, my voice and

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<v Speaker 2>times that I'm talking and doing other things as well.

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<v Speaker 2>And you might as well be reminded of a good book. Besides,

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<v Speaker 2>never a bad thing to buy one for somebody else

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<v Speaker 2>and make it into a gift either all of Larry's books,

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<v Speaker 2>how about that? But the Oswald Puzzle definitely on the

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<v Speaker 2>top of that list right now.

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<v Speaker 1>In my mind anyway, Larry, now that I gave that.

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<v Speaker 2>Wildly long and ridiculous introduction to you, how are you

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<v Speaker 2>doing tonight?

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<v Speaker 3>I'm doing okay, Chuck. Kind of looking forward to celebrating

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<v Speaker 3>the fourth of July. It's kind of a holiday week

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<v Speaker 3>not but you know, but so picnics and you know,

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<v Speaker 3>celebrations going on. So that's a good thing. I'm up

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<v Speaker 3>for that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I listen. I'm looking forward to the possibility of pleasantness.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, my dog's barking a lot because there's

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<v Speaker 2>fireworks outside.

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<v Speaker 1>And people are having fun. You know.

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<v Speaker 2>I like that. It is nice, even if I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>participating in it. I like to be surrounded by it,

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<v Speaker 2>because you know, it's not always a good idea to

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<v Speaker 2>give explosives to.

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<v Speaker 1>A blind guy.

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<v Speaker 2>But but I will, you know, light some fireworks and

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<v Speaker 2>bottle rockets and things if I can afford them.

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<v Speaker 1>You know.

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<v Speaker 2>And my kid loves hot dogs and his birthday just passed,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, fascinating thing. And you're gonna find this funny,

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<v Speaker 2>and it'll be the last sidetrack I do, because what

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<v Speaker 2>I want to get to is an update with you

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<v Speaker 2>about what's going on regarding well again, sort of disclosure,

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<v Speaker 2>except we're not going to talk UAPs tonight, So everybody

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<v Speaker 2>put a pin in that.

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<v Speaker 1>But a lot of people don't know this.

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<v Speaker 2>My children were almost born on like the three most

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<v Speaker 2>patriotic days on the calendar. My daughter was born on

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<v Speaker 2>Flag Day, okay, my oldest son, who is my second child,

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<v Speaker 2>was born on Veterans Day, and my youngest son was

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<v Speaker 2>nearly born on the fourth of July, so it would

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<v Speaker 2>have been interesting if that synergy had sort of come together,

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<v Speaker 2>but he just missed and came a little early due

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<v Speaker 2>to distress. And yeah, so Frankie just had his birthday

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<v Speaker 2>like two days ago, on the twenty ninth, And yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>so I always but I love that kind of thing

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<v Speaker 2>when I was a little kid, you know, and I know, Larry,

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<v Speaker 2>you were already an adult by then. But nineteen seventy six,

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<v Speaker 2>the bi centennial, there was you know, people who weren't

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<v Speaker 2>alive then, don't realize there were flags and flag decorated

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<v Speaker 2>themes everywhere.

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<v Speaker 1>In America.

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<v Speaker 2>You couldn't go to a grocery store and not get red, white,

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<v Speaker 2>and blue and stars and stripes pretty much shoved at you.

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<v Speaker 2>Every product adapted it.

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<v Speaker 1>It seemed like you.

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<v Speaker 2>Couldn't escape this country celebrating it's two hundredth birthday. And

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<v Speaker 2>now we're coming to the two hundred and fiftieth, and

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<v Speaker 2>I dare say that, one, you don't have the same atmosphere,

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<v Speaker 2>you don't have the same color, you don't have the

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<v Speaker 2>same you know, decorations or generally sort of shared commonality anymore.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, I like when I get at least a

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<v Speaker 2>little glimpse of that old fashioned sort of Listen, we can.

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<v Speaker 1>Be against one another and argue all the time and.

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<v Speaker 2>Everything else, but at the end of it, we're all,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, in the same place, and we're all Americans,

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<v Speaker 2>and therefore, no matter where we came from, we should

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<v Speaker 2>come together. I means, as bad as my upbringing was,

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<v Speaker 2>that was a positive theme. I felt like in my

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, maybe I'm just rambling about stupid things

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<v Speaker 2>in nostalge.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry, Larry, but I mean there's there's something to

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<v Speaker 1>be said for that.

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<v Speaker 3>Go ahead, I can contribute to that, because nineteen seventy six,

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<v Speaker 3>it's really kind of sad for those folks that weren't

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<v Speaker 3>around for that yet. Not that being young and sad

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<v Speaker 3>that's a good thing. But we were coming out of

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<v Speaker 3>a very tough period Vietnam, Watergate, a lot of internal conflicts,

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of people very violently upset with each other,

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<v Speaker 3>and I remember that year has been just almost like

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<v Speaker 3>a period of relief. It's like, Okay, we can get

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<v Speaker 3>back to being in one country, some fundamental beliefs, you know.

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<v Speaker 3>There were songs. It really it was kind of like

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<v Speaker 3>a party, a national party that was working and you

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<v Speaker 3>could feel it. And I'm saddened by the fact that

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<v Speaker 3>you're not feeling it now. Some people may be, but

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<v Speaker 3>generally we don't have that feeling right now. I hope

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<v Speaker 3>we come back with it again. It was great. I

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<v Speaker 3>remember it well, like, okay, could we not do that again?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah? See. And that's the thing.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, for those that say, well, we were

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<v Speaker 2>facing financial trouble, yes we were. It was actually financial

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<v Speaker 2>troubles were constant then. I was experiencing it and a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of other people were, because you know, you had

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<v Speaker 2>price changes on a daily basis where things would jack

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<v Speaker 2>up overnight constantly.

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<v Speaker 1>And it wasn't based on the supply chain and the internet.

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<v Speaker 2>It was we had this problem going on financially in

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<v Speaker 2>this country where even though you know, on.

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<v Speaker 1>Some level it seemed like everybody was suffering.

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<v Speaker 2>There were fuel shortages, all kinds of problems went on

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<v Speaker 2>during this time period. And like you said, it was

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<v Speaker 2>post Vietnam, I mean, just after the official end and

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<v Speaker 2>everything else, which was a bone of contention in many

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<v Speaker 2>parts of this country. Nonetheless, there was that sort of

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<v Speaker 2>like you said, like you know what, despite all that

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<v Speaker 2>we're all here, and yeah, there's almost like a part

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<v Speaker 2>already going on. Even if you observe television shows that

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<v Speaker 2>were filmed in nineteen seventy six, you'll see that. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>they have tablecloths that are red, white and blue. They're flags,

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<v Speaker 2>little American flags all over the place. Everybody, even if

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<v Speaker 2>they didn't like the president or whatever else. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>Saturday Night Lives making fun of Gerald Ford and Gerald

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<v Speaker 2>Ford was easy to make fun of, you know, and

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<v Speaker 2>all that. Nonetheless, it was all still at the end

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<v Speaker 2>of it all, we're coming together. This is about celebrating

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<v Speaker 2>what is and we're all here. Let us experience this together.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what it felt like to me again as a kid,

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<v Speaker 2>and so you know, you were a little older, so therefore,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, you had a totally different perspective on almost

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<v Speaker 2>everything else. But you had to admit this was a

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<v Speaker 2>constant everywhere, you know, and it didn't matter in poor

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<v Speaker 1>It was a celebration.

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<v Speaker 2>So, like I said, when I get the sense of

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<v Speaker 2>like any of that sort of you know, bling up

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<v Speaker 2>again and it's only for brief flashes, now, yeah, I

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<v Speaker 2>think back to it and say, man, I really wish

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<v Speaker 2>we could go back to that. That's one of my

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<v Speaker 2>terrible nostalgia member bary kind of things, you know, where

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<v Speaker 2>it's like, man, I wish it was like the old days,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, and now I'm old, right because I say that,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sorry.

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<v Speaker 1>All right.

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<v Speaker 2>Anyway, that aside, though, it is a factor. And of

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<v Speaker 2>course this is also during the time period where the

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<v Speaker 2>assassination was becoming laid a lot more bare in the

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<v Speaker 2>public's mind. You had, you know, the House Select Committee

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<v Speaker 2>on Assassinations going on, you know, fifty years ago, you

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<v Speaker 2>had you know, the the previous congressional committees who had

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<v Speaker 2>looked into CIA misdeeds.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, the the Cuba.

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<v Speaker 2>Plots, MK Ultra becoming revealed, et cetera.

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<v Speaker 1>It's or at least beginning to become revealed.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, and all this stuff going on and people

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<v Speaker 2>questioning things. And this is post the assassinations of the sixties,

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<v Speaker 2>which I feel was a demoralizing trend. You know that

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<v Speaker 2>that affected that generation that was now coming into power

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<v Speaker 2>in the nineteen seventies. Plus you know, nobody should ever

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<v Speaker 2>forget Disco. I mean, for God's sake, that affected everybody.

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<v Speaker 1>All right. Now, I've had my joke.

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<v Speaker 3>Long live, long lived the BGS.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I guess anyway, you know again, jokes Larry. But

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<v Speaker 2>to get back to the serious point and what it

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<v Speaker 2>is we're going to talk about tonight, there is something

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<v Speaker 2>to be said. We're not in that time period, even

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<v Speaker 2>though we're going into the two hundred and fiftieth anniversary,

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<v Speaker 2>et cetera. And of course we've been through a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of different gymnastics as a society, as a country in

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<v Speaker 2>And what does this bring us to, well, the recent

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<v Speaker 1>How about we complete.

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<v Speaker 2>The work of the AARRB, which was expected in twenty

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<v Speaker 2>kind of shut up and tell me what's happening as

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe you can help us navigate that. Larry, I'm sorry

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<v Speaker 3>You know, both of these are congressionally empowered. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>is there that is not surfaced, right, you know, actually

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<v Speaker 3>of the government in essence, is the government doing transparency?

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<v Speaker 2>And just to address well, hang hang on a second,

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<v Speaker 2>previous efforts. Let's get that straight real quick. The Assassination

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<v Speaker 2>Records you view board was not there to investigate, although

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<v Speaker 2>authenticity of some things. Now, that is not the same

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<v Speaker 2>as investigating the crime. And each of these committees that

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<v Speaker 2>It came in different forms though the HSCA, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>And release documentation.

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<v Speaker 2>That their purpose not to investigate the crime or not

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<v Speaker 2>our government, which is that the Warrant Commission concluded Lee

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<v Speaker 2>Harvey Oswald acting alone, uh, you know, killed JFK and

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<v Speaker 2>Jack Ruby acting alone killed Lee Harvey Oswald, and they

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<v Speaker 1>Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>The House Select Committee on Assassinations ultimately concluded that it

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<v Speaker 2>but it's still mainly we only have evidence for Oswald.

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<v Speaker 1>And if you listen to the.

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<v Speaker 2>who then released, you know, a publication later in the

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<v Speaker 1>Also by the way, the mob did it. But anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>Official conclusion varies a little bit, and both of them

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<v Speaker 2>add an addendum to any of it. They were there

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<v Speaker 2>to just release documents. Now, have I gotten anything wrong here, Larry?

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<v Speaker 2>In general, like in my explanations, O my simplification of

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<v Speaker 2>any of it, and yes they did, and yes people volunteered,

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<v Speaker 2>and yes some people insisted that information was given to

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<v Speaker 2>some of these previous committees' efforts, etc. So we don't

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<v Speaker 2>we have now they're being allowed to testify in Congress.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't recall that a thing except in you know,

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<v Speaker 2>certain sessions with the HSCA, you know, so that was different.

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<v Speaker 2>And we didn't have live broadcasts of all of that.

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<v Speaker 2>where there was live broadcasts. But am I missing anything

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<v Speaker 2>here for context, Larry or you know, help me fill

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<v Speaker 3>And I think that the point, the big differentiation is

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<v Speaker 3>there were two inquiries or investigations whatever you want to

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<v Speaker 3>call them, you know, and the House Select Committee did

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<v Speaker 3>supposedly was chartered by Congress to inquire or investigate different assassinations.

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<v Speaker 3>They were to address different subjects. The Warrant Commission only

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<v Speaker 3>check That is the big differentiation. They were at least

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<v Speaker 3>Not as many as we would like, but they did

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<v Speaker 3>have investigators because they were investigations. That is not true

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<v Speaker 3>for either the ARB or the current Oversight Committee. Those

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<v Speaker 3>committees are named very well. The ARB it's a records

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<v Speaker 3>review board where we're reviewing records that the government holds

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<v Speaker 3>or that somebody holds. It's it's records the government. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>let's let's review what the government got and let's make

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<v Speaker 3>sure we get at public. And to that extent, the

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<v Speaker 3>Oversight Committee is doing the same thing again, let's let's

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<v Speaker 3>review what the government knows, what the government holds, and

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<v Speaker 3>let's make it public. So the second, second, two or

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<v Speaker 3>quite on a lie like the first one, and I

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<v Speaker 3>think the current committee, you know, every everybody wants their

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<v Speaker 3>thing in front of the current committee, but the current

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<v Speaker 3>records and documents and did they get released, did they

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<v Speaker 3>not get released, what's been missed, and what they're going

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<v Speaker 3>to produce. Obviously they're going to produce a report that

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<v Speaker 3>we identified these documents and managed to get them released

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<v Speaker 3>or didn't. And these are still outstanding. And by the way,

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<v Speaker 3>here's our list of ESK. You know, we ask agencies

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<v Speaker 3>It's still the responsibility of you know, Congress could step

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<v Speaker 3>could set back and in panel another body to force

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<v Speaker 3>those releases be up to Congress. But that's the next

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<v Speaker 3>stage in what the Oversight Committee is doing is preparing

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<v Speaker 3>reports in all their areas. And if you look at

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<v Speaker 3>five different subjects. As a matter of fact, while they

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<v Speaker 3>that they could effectively do that, it's amazing. But even

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<v Speaker 3>during the period in which they've been in existence a

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<v Speaker 3>and they're having some success in certain areas. But as

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<v Speaker 3>The ARB could go around the country and hold regional hearings,

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<v Speaker 3>which they did and ask for people to submit you know,

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<v Speaker 3>I know of this document. I've seen this document. You

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<v Speaker 3>guys should look for this document. You know, they had

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<v Speaker 3>the time to do that. I think with five different

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<v Speaker 3>no time to do that. We need to bring people here,

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<v Speaker 3>we need to have hearings. You know, not that people

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<v Speaker 3>have not contacted them directly with their staffs, but to

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<v Speaker 3>accelerate the process. That's why they decided to have hearings

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<v Speaker 3>in DC, because they don't have time to do what

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<v Speaker 2>Also, the ARRB was created as a matter of a

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<v Speaker 2>law being passed, which means that it was empowered by

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<v Speaker 2>that and then it created that law created a uh,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, an agency within the executive branch of the government,

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<v Speaker 2>and that is different than the functional panel of the

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<v Speaker 1>Now, they are inspired by an executive order, but that

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<v Speaker 3>I apologize good and they're not funded in the same fashion.

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<v Speaker 1>No, because I gain so it.

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<v Speaker 3>Is even if their task is somewhat the same, they

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<v Speaker 3>it's clear the ARB was largely bipartisan. The Oversight Committee,

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<v Speaker 3>if anyone's listening to their hearings, will find out that

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<v Speaker 3>there's there's still I don't think there could be anything

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<v Speaker 3>that goes on in America right now that's not partisan,

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<v Speaker 3>but it is partisan to extent that you did not

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<v Speaker 2>Right, And look, you could blame that on the uh,

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<v Speaker 2>that all of these inquiries, right, all four that we

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<v Speaker 4>Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, there was quite a bit of politics with

423
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<v Speaker 2>the Warrant Commission. It was a bit more independent than

424
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<v Speaker 2>the the following three things.

425
00:25:42.519 --> 00:25:44.440
<v Speaker 1>But politics played a role here.

426
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<v Speaker 2>I mean you had the whole thing going on with

427
00:25:46.160 --> 00:25:50.839
<v Speaker 2>Dick Sprague and you know, the removal and then uh,

428
00:25:50.920 --> 00:25:53.519
<v Speaker 2>you know, the the guy who was the New York

429
00:25:53.559 --> 00:25:59.880
<v Speaker 2>cop before, Robert Tannenbaum, right, you know, ending up taking

430
00:26:00.079 --> 00:26:03.359
<v Speaker 2>over and this and that, and ultimately you had you know,

431
00:26:03.880 --> 00:26:09.279
<v Speaker 2>a Professor Blakey running the show over there. That was

432
00:26:09.440 --> 00:26:14.039
<v Speaker 2>a whole lot of political maneuvering. The ARRB had politics

433
00:26:14.119 --> 00:26:16.759
<v Speaker 2>in it, but it was purely it was clearly excuse me,

434
00:26:16.799 --> 00:26:22.119
<v Speaker 2>not purely, clearly more bipartisan than probably the previous and

435
00:26:22.240 --> 00:26:26.000
<v Speaker 2>what would follow it, you know, as an agency in

436
00:26:26.039 --> 00:26:29.880
<v Speaker 2>my judgment anyway, And you had an oversight committee that

437
00:26:30.160 --> 00:26:34.319
<v Speaker 2>up until a certain time wasn't doing this work, but

438
00:26:34.559 --> 00:26:39.119
<v Speaker 2>was doing oversight on other things. And the changing of

439
00:26:39.200 --> 00:26:42.880
<v Speaker 2>the guard occurred when you know, the Republicans basically took

440
00:26:42.920 --> 00:26:46.519
<v Speaker 2>over and you know, you can't get through a hearing

441
00:26:47.400 --> 00:26:51.799
<v Speaker 2>without you know, political grand standing points being scored. This

442
00:26:51.880 --> 00:26:54.519
<v Speaker 2>is about your attacking the Trump administration. You could be

443
00:26:54.559 --> 00:26:58.519
<v Speaker 2>talking about the Kennedy assassination and noe, you're attacking Trump,

444
00:26:58.599 --> 00:27:02.839
<v Speaker 2>you know, or no, not attacking Trump enough, you know,

445
00:27:02.920 --> 00:27:05.079
<v Speaker 2>And all this crap goes on in the midst of

446
00:27:05.119 --> 00:27:07.960
<v Speaker 2>these hearings. They're using their five minutes in some cases

447
00:27:08.680 --> 00:27:13.880
<v Speaker 2>to not question the witnesses or ask for clarity on evidence.

448
00:27:14.359 --> 00:27:18.799
<v Speaker 2>They're entering statements in and then making statements publicly, and

449
00:27:18.920 --> 00:27:21.359
<v Speaker 2>a lot of them are just well, you know, for

450
00:27:21.480 --> 00:27:27.279
<v Speaker 2>political gamesmanship, that's it. They're politically gaming the situation and

451
00:27:27.599 --> 00:27:33.079
<v Speaker 2>utilizing their TV time to make statements, you know, which

452
00:27:33.599 --> 00:27:36.640
<v Speaker 2>that didn't seem to occur with the previous ones, okay,

453
00:27:36.680 --> 00:27:40.319
<v Speaker 2>where you had that public element of it. So you

454
00:27:40.400 --> 00:27:44.960
<v Speaker 2>have differences, and but again it's not an investigation. We're

455
00:27:45.000 --> 00:27:48.680
<v Speaker 2>not here with the expectation that you know, even if

456
00:27:48.720 --> 00:27:54.160
<v Speaker 2>there isn't impaneling of another circumstance that's got to be

457
00:27:54.200 --> 00:27:58.480
<v Speaker 2>done separately. That's not this where an investigation will be

458
00:27:58.519 --> 00:28:02.480
<v Speaker 2>conducted about even anything specific. And as you pointed out,

459
00:28:03.160 --> 00:28:06.000
<v Speaker 2>they started with a mandate which was from the executive

460
00:28:06.119 --> 00:28:09.119
<v Speaker 2>order that covered a lot of ground. I mean, you're

461
00:28:09.160 --> 00:28:13.799
<v Speaker 2>talking about the King assassination, Uh, the two Kennedy assassinations, right,

462
00:28:14.640 --> 00:28:19.640
<v Speaker 2>uh you know UAPs okay, and oh boy, what was

463
00:28:19.680 --> 00:28:27.000
<v Speaker 2>the fifth thing, Larry? You know, I think kr K Trump,

464
00:28:28.039 --> 00:28:31.119
<v Speaker 2>So you know, I'm just saying these things were all

465
00:28:31.160 --> 00:28:33.359
<v Speaker 2>collectively thrown out as like, let's get to all this.

466
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<v Speaker 1>Uh.

467
00:28:35.720 --> 00:28:41.200
<v Speaker 2>You know, as you said, the HSCA had ultimately they

468
00:28:41.240 --> 00:28:46.039
<v Speaker 2>had two you know, parallel investigations. Uh, but they initially

469
00:28:46.079 --> 00:28:48.480
<v Speaker 2>started with three that were intended.

470
00:28:49.359 --> 00:28:49.640
<v Speaker 1>Uh.

471
00:28:49.680 --> 00:28:52.279
<v Speaker 2>The Warren Commission was only you know, it was not

472
00:28:52.359 --> 00:28:55.519
<v Speaker 2>the Warrent Commission. It was the presidential you know, commission

473
00:28:55.599 --> 00:28:57.640
<v Speaker 2>to explore Kennedy's assassination.

474
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<v Speaker 1>That's all.

475
00:28:58.160 --> 00:29:02.880
<v Speaker 2>It was JFK, you know, and the ar RB was

476
00:29:02.920 --> 00:29:07.640
<v Speaker 2>there to collect things about the JFK assassination. This is

477
00:29:07.720 --> 00:29:13.160
<v Speaker 2>different from all of them because of this multi you know,

478
00:29:13.359 --> 00:29:21.519
<v Speaker 2>multipurpose multih you know, actual subjects. That oversight is being

479
00:29:21.559 --> 00:29:25.160
<v Speaker 2>held over right, So that in and of itself makes

480
00:29:25.160 --> 00:29:26.279
<v Speaker 2>a big difference, doesn't it.

481
00:29:27.680 --> 00:29:33.079
<v Speaker 3>And and it has no power other than writing report,

482
00:29:33.160 --> 00:29:35.880
<v Speaker 3>you know, summer reports of what they did and what

483
00:29:35.920 --> 00:29:39.079
<v Speaker 3>they got and what they didn't manage to get. That's

484
00:29:39.559 --> 00:29:43.279
<v Speaker 3>that's all. That's the extent of their power unless unless

485
00:29:43.359 --> 00:29:51.279
<v Speaker 3>the Republican Congressman who is actually over Luna's oversight committee

486
00:29:51.640 --> 00:29:56.119
<v Speaker 3>decides to take action, nothing further will happen. That if

487
00:29:56.160 --> 00:30:00.160
<v Speaker 3>you want to talk about something being political and a

488
00:30:00.160 --> 00:30:04.359
<v Speaker 3>committee within Congress, even if it completes its work, is

489
00:30:04.400 --> 00:30:07.880
<v Speaker 3>still subject to the politics of what happens to its work.

490
00:30:08.519 --> 00:30:12.079
<v Speaker 3>And I will say, you know, our friend Stu Wesler

491
00:30:12.640 --> 00:30:17.680
<v Speaker 3>tells me an update is during his testimony to the committee.

492
00:30:18.079 --> 00:30:21.279
<v Speaker 3>You know, Luna said, you know, came back and said,

493
00:30:21.599 --> 00:30:25.160
<v Speaker 3>we're absolutely working. Right now as you speak, we've started

494
00:30:25.240 --> 00:30:29.480
<v Speaker 3>launching the effort to get the HSCA material on the

495
00:30:29.559 --> 00:30:34.920
<v Speaker 3>King assassination. As of now, weeks actually months later, she

496
00:30:35.079 --> 00:30:38.240
<v Speaker 3>still hasn't got it. That's not her fault. She's asked

497
00:30:38.240 --> 00:30:43.039
<v Speaker 3>for it, but people above her in the Congressional Republican

498
00:30:43.680 --> 00:30:47.559
<v Speaker 3>congressional hierarchy have to make that happen. If they don't

499
00:30:47.720 --> 00:30:50.440
<v Speaker 3>make it happen, if they don't push it, then it

500
00:30:50.559 --> 00:30:54.599
<v Speaker 3>just sits there. You know why it wouldn't happen, But

501
00:30:55.319 --> 00:30:57.799
<v Speaker 3>I think we have to. You pointed it out, Wealchuck,

502
00:30:57.880 --> 00:31:02.759
<v Speaker 3>the ARB was a body existing on its own. This

503
00:31:02.880 --> 00:31:08.400
<v Speaker 3>is simply a subcommittee of another committee of Congress.

504
00:31:08.039 --> 00:31:11.920
<v Speaker 2>Right, and it in and of itself doesn't necessarily have

505
00:31:12.039 --> 00:31:18.480
<v Speaker 2>subpoena power, which the ARRB did you know, and things

506
00:31:18.519 --> 00:31:23.880
<v Speaker 2>like that. She's making requests, she's not making subpoenas go out,

507
00:31:24.920 --> 00:31:27.559
<v Speaker 2>you know, which the ARRB had the option to do,

508
00:31:29.519 --> 00:31:32.119
<v Speaker 2>you know. And Congress when it was holding the House

509
00:31:32.160 --> 00:31:35.599
<v Speaker 2>Select Committee had a different set of powers to be

510
00:31:35.640 --> 00:31:38.599
<v Speaker 2>able to compel certain things. But even within the government,

511
00:31:38.640 --> 00:31:44.240
<v Speaker 2>the FBI could resist handing over things to these committees.

512
00:31:44.440 --> 00:31:47.119
<v Speaker 1>You know. And and where is the enforcement arm.

513
00:31:47.000 --> 00:31:51.799
<v Speaker 2>Where is the ability to compel someone to come forward

514
00:31:51.960 --> 00:31:55.920
<v Speaker 2>or information to be turned over? Well, that gets a

515
00:31:55.920 --> 00:31:57.079
<v Speaker 2>little dicey, doesn't it.

516
00:31:59.759 --> 00:32:06.440
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, and you you can't? Yeah, who wants that?

517
00:32:06.519 --> 00:32:09.960
<v Speaker 3>Gets back to a political thing. Does anybody want to

518
00:32:10.279 --> 00:32:13.920
<v Speaker 3>I would say, with the mid terms coming up, does

519
00:32:13.960 --> 00:32:18.200
<v Speaker 3>anybody want to stir things up more than they already stirred?

520
00:32:18.559 --> 00:32:21.720
<v Speaker 3>You know? At this point, it's hard to see anybody

521
00:32:22.200 --> 00:32:27.440
<v Speaker 3>gaining politically from forcing these issues, you know, does right now?

522
00:32:27.839 --> 00:32:30.599
<v Speaker 3>Everybody is trying to just kind of write it out.

523
00:32:30.960 --> 00:32:32.480
<v Speaker 3>It feels like, well.

524
00:32:32.400 --> 00:32:34.960
<v Speaker 2>Right, because in this circumstance, you could do harm to

525
00:32:35.000 --> 00:32:39.119
<v Speaker 2>yourself as a candidate if a major mistake was made,

526
00:32:39.359 --> 00:32:43.039
<v Speaker 2>or if you know, you're requesting things quite loudly and

527
00:32:43.039 --> 00:32:46.200
<v Speaker 2>people are ignoring you. These kind of things could do

528
00:32:46.279 --> 00:32:49.200
<v Speaker 2>harm to someone who's a candidate. In twenty twenty six,

529
00:32:49.279 --> 00:32:54.119
<v Speaker 2>which is just around the corner, you know, the elections. Yeah,

530
00:32:54.160 --> 00:32:59.880
<v Speaker 2>so you know there are political considerations here anyway, All

531
00:33:00.119 --> 00:33:03.559
<v Speaker 2>of that again is just about the context. But you know,

532
00:33:03.680 --> 00:33:06.960
<v Speaker 2>where are we currently, I mean, there aren't things happening,

533
00:33:07.759 --> 00:33:11.720
<v Speaker 2>it seems. And there have been you know, records turned

534
00:33:11.720 --> 00:33:14.200
<v Speaker 2>over and there's been different disputes about it, and there

535
00:33:14.240 --> 00:33:17.640
<v Speaker 2>was the problem with you know, turning over people's personal

536
00:33:17.640 --> 00:33:21.000
<v Speaker 2>information and making a public when they shouldn't have and

537
00:33:21.160 --> 00:33:25.319
<v Speaker 2>all of that has gone on, Larry already, But who

538
00:33:25.359 --> 00:33:27.759
<v Speaker 2>wants to really shake things up real big in the

539
00:33:27.839 --> 00:33:31.839
<v Speaker 2>last few months leading up to the midterm elections where

540
00:33:31.839 --> 00:33:35.119
<v Speaker 2>the balance of power could shift, you know, from one

541
00:33:35.160 --> 00:33:39.119
<v Speaker 2>political party to another in that chamber. That is again

542
00:33:39.200 --> 00:33:43.119
<v Speaker 2>as you said, over the Oversight committee, right, so.

543
00:33:44.880 --> 00:33:47.839
<v Speaker 1>Different issues here, yeah, and a bit.

544
00:33:47.720 --> 00:33:50.960
<v Speaker 3>Of risky business if you want to slide over to

545
00:33:51.119 --> 00:33:56.000
<v Speaker 3>the UAP or the UFO section. She took statements from

546
00:33:56.440 --> 00:33:59.799
<v Speaker 3>a number of people on panel in front of her

547
00:34:00.039 --> 00:34:04.599
<v Speaker 3>talking about uh, information that existed within the government, things

548
00:34:04.599 --> 00:34:08.079
<v Speaker 3>that existed within the government. And then there are two

549
00:34:08.199 --> 00:34:11.840
<v Speaker 3>levels of response. It's sort of like, well, what's your source,

550
00:34:12.519 --> 00:34:16.679
<v Speaker 3>which is any any investigator would ask, what, how can

551
00:34:16.719 --> 00:34:19.280
<v Speaker 3>I trace that out. You know, you say you heard

552
00:34:19.280 --> 00:34:22.000
<v Speaker 3>this or you saw this, tell me where and who's

553
00:34:22.039 --> 00:34:25.599
<v Speaker 3>so we can call them? Right, okay? And then the

554
00:34:25.679 --> 00:34:31.159
<v Speaker 3>response as well, I'm within security classification. I can't tell

555
00:34:31.199 --> 00:34:34.920
<v Speaker 3>you an open hearing. Maybe you know you questioned me

556
00:34:34.960 --> 00:34:38.719
<v Speaker 3>in a skiff. Okay, fine, But then it enters into

557
00:34:38.800 --> 00:34:43.119
<v Speaker 3>this level of vagueness sort of did they do that.

558
00:34:44.320 --> 00:34:47.719
<v Speaker 3>Let's is somebody going through the list of who testified,

559
00:34:48.599 --> 00:34:54.280
<v Speaker 3>who said they heard abcdef things and did the committee

560
00:34:54.280 --> 00:34:58.000
<v Speaker 3>bring them into a skiff and get more detail? Did

561
00:34:58.000 --> 00:35:00.639
<v Speaker 3>they get names, did they follow up on those names?

562
00:35:01.760 --> 00:35:04.960
<v Speaker 3>Did they go back Some of the individuals were saying

563
00:35:05.559 --> 00:35:08.880
<v Speaker 3>the whistleblowers were saying that they had made reports to

564
00:35:08.920 --> 00:35:13.320
<v Speaker 3>the IGS already on this or to is the commit

565
00:35:13.360 --> 00:35:16.760
<v Speaker 3>Did the committee go back to the IGS and say

566
00:35:17.000 --> 00:35:21.039
<v Speaker 3>is that really true? The back the back end, I'm

567
00:35:21.039 --> 00:35:24.119
<v Speaker 3>afraid will be missing. It will be like we always are,

568
00:35:24.599 --> 00:35:28.440
<v Speaker 3>a lot of rather sensational things were dropped in in

569
00:35:28.480 --> 00:35:32.800
<v Speaker 3>the various hearings, all the various hearings, and but that

570
00:35:32.880 --> 00:35:36.760
<v Speaker 3>won't be part of the oversight report because especially in

571
00:35:36.760 --> 00:35:41.480
<v Speaker 3>that area, it's it's there are issues of security and classification,

572
00:35:41.880 --> 00:35:46.599
<v Speaker 3>you know, I just don't expect the Oversight Committee review

573
00:35:46.719 --> 00:35:50.559
<v Speaker 3>to say we did this, this and this, name new

574
00:35:50.639 --> 00:35:54.239
<v Speaker 3>people and and release information that we will. You know,

575
00:35:54.519 --> 00:35:58.320
<v Speaker 3>the transparency is going to run into national security in

576
00:35:58.360 --> 00:36:03.239
<v Speaker 3>that area pretty quickly, just like it appears that the

577
00:36:03.280 --> 00:36:08.280
<v Speaker 3>release of the HC investigation on the MLK is going

578
00:36:08.320 --> 00:36:11.360
<v Speaker 3>to run into the politics of the king family. There

579
00:36:11.679 --> 00:36:13.840
<v Speaker 3>there are things that you can do everything that you

580
00:36:13.880 --> 00:36:16.320
<v Speaker 3>want on the front end to bring issues out and

581
00:36:16.360 --> 00:36:18.960
<v Speaker 3>bring them to the light of day, but you know

582
00:36:19.039 --> 00:36:23.880
<v Speaker 3>that next step gets to be very difficult across a

583
00:36:23.920 --> 00:36:27.119
<v Speaker 3>gambit of things from national security to politics.

584
00:36:27.400 --> 00:36:27.559
<v Speaker 1>Right.

585
00:36:28.880 --> 00:36:32.039
<v Speaker 2>So that being said, though, what would you say is

586
00:36:32.079 --> 00:36:37.320
<v Speaker 2>the latest on the progress regarding you know, the individual

587
00:36:37.360 --> 00:36:42.639
<v Speaker 2>because you have insight into multiple topics here based on

588
00:36:42.719 --> 00:36:46.400
<v Speaker 2>your experience and also, uh, you know your current work

589
00:36:47.079 --> 00:36:49.920
<v Speaker 2>and again you know your experience in the past.

590
00:36:50.239 --> 00:36:52.280
<v Speaker 1>So I mean, you can see this.

591
00:36:54.000 --> 00:36:57.719
<v Speaker 2>Well informed in various areas. So we've talked about the

592
00:36:57.840 --> 00:37:01.639
<v Speaker 2>UAPs and what's happened recently. What has happened, say, you

593
00:37:01.679 --> 00:37:05.800
<v Speaker 2>know regarding the JFK assassination recently, Well, I.

594
00:37:05.719 --> 00:37:10.840
<v Speaker 3>Think the JFK assassination, what's happening on all fronts is

595
00:37:10.880 --> 00:37:14.480
<v Speaker 3>that they're working on their staff is beginning the process

596
00:37:14.559 --> 00:37:19.119
<v Speaker 3>of writing their reports. You know, we had a committee,

597
00:37:19.159 --> 00:37:22.800
<v Speaker 3>we did hearings, we collected information. Now we need to

598
00:37:22.800 --> 00:37:25.880
<v Speaker 3>write this all up because that is their obligation. So

599
00:37:26.440 --> 00:37:29.920
<v Speaker 3>they're in the process of writing reports on what they

600
00:37:29.920 --> 00:37:32.800
<v Speaker 3>have done and where they stand with the information. Think

601
00:37:32.840 --> 00:37:35.920
<v Speaker 3>of that. That's where they are now. I think as

602
00:37:35.960 --> 00:37:39.199
<v Speaker 3>it stands, there may be there are rumors that there

603
00:37:39.239 --> 00:37:44.119
<v Speaker 3>will be one more hearing open hearing on MK Ultra,

604
00:37:45.119 --> 00:37:47.719
<v Speaker 3>but the rest are done and that they've run out

605
00:37:47.719 --> 00:37:51.239
<v Speaker 3>of time. It's over. They're working over writing their reports.

606
00:37:52.119 --> 00:37:56.280
<v Speaker 3>In some instances, like I said, we can know from

607
00:37:56.320 --> 00:37:59.679
<v Speaker 3>the outside that certain things have not happened, like with

608
00:37:59.840 --> 00:38:04.360
<v Speaker 3>the m l M LK document releases, that seemed like

609
00:38:04.440 --> 00:38:08.320
<v Speaker 3>a very simple thing and an easily done thing by

610
00:38:08.760 --> 00:38:11.960
<v Speaker 3>you know, the party in power, but that hasn't happened

611
00:38:12.039 --> 00:38:19.119
<v Speaker 3>yet on the JFK front. A given example. One of

612
00:38:19.159 --> 00:38:21.559
<v Speaker 3>the things that was brought up in the in the

613
00:38:21.639 --> 00:38:27.719
<v Speaker 3>testimony is is the fact that uh, the President's physician,

614
00:38:28.039 --> 00:38:33.880
<v Speaker 3>JFK's physician during the House Select Committee had his lawyer

615
00:38:34.880 --> 00:38:40.079
<v Speaker 3>right to the House Select Committee basically offering a statement

616
00:38:40.159 --> 00:38:43.559
<v Speaker 3>that he had information to offer on the fact that

617
00:38:43.599 --> 00:38:50.440
<v Speaker 3>there was indeed a conspiracy uh. His his his lawyer

618
00:38:50.559 --> 00:38:54.760
<v Speaker 3>is on record of having done that. Later, during the

619
00:38:55.159 --> 00:38:58.199
<v Speaker 3>period of the R A R b UH the AARB

620
00:38:58.320 --> 00:39:04.400
<v Speaker 3>attempted to pursue it, with no luck because they needed

621
00:39:04.760 --> 00:39:07.880
<v Speaker 3>the lawyer would tell them everything that he had been told.

622
00:39:08.480 --> 00:39:12.320
<v Speaker 3>But you know, he didn't know what that information was.

623
00:39:12.760 --> 00:39:15.079
<v Speaker 3>You know, he didn't have the files, he didn't have

624
00:39:15.119 --> 00:39:18.199
<v Speaker 3>the interviews. So the only way to get that is

625
00:39:18.239 --> 00:39:22.079
<v Speaker 3>to go back to the papers of the of the

626
00:39:22.159 --> 00:39:25.199
<v Speaker 3>doctor and see if he had written down anything or

627
00:39:25.239 --> 00:39:30.480
<v Speaker 3>done any interviews that would substantiate his remarks. Unfortunately, when

628
00:39:30.519 --> 00:39:36.559
<v Speaker 3>the ARB appealed to his daughter, who legally owns his materials,

629
00:39:37.079 --> 00:39:41.199
<v Speaker 3>she refused the request. Now it is possible that the

630
00:39:41.280 --> 00:39:46.079
<v Speaker 3>Luna Committee could revive that request to her. As you said,

631
00:39:46.400 --> 00:39:49.159
<v Speaker 3>they don't have subpoena power, but at least they could

632
00:39:49.159 --> 00:39:52.119
<v Speaker 3>ask her to go on record and publicly say no

633
00:39:52.800 --> 00:39:56.440
<v Speaker 3>and publicly perhaps he even make a declaration of why

634
00:39:56.480 --> 00:39:59.719
<v Speaker 3>she's refusing to share it, you know, so they can

635
00:40:00.000 --> 00:40:01.880
<v Speaker 3>That's why I used the term earlier. They can do

636
00:40:01.960 --> 00:40:05.360
<v Speaker 3>an ask. So I think what's happening in several of

637
00:40:05.400 --> 00:40:10.159
<v Speaker 3>these areas is the committee is documenting quote unquote these

638
00:40:10.239 --> 00:40:13.280
<v Speaker 3>ask you know, these are things that have been identified.

639
00:40:13.320 --> 00:40:17.519
<v Speaker 3>They're still open. There still exists to known documents, and

640
00:40:17.599 --> 00:40:20.280
<v Speaker 3>the least we can do in our report is itemize

641
00:40:20.320 --> 00:40:22.719
<v Speaker 3>these as asked that somebody could pursue.

642
00:40:24.239 --> 00:40:27.760
<v Speaker 2>Well, right, And as I said, both the ARB and

643
00:40:27.800 --> 00:40:35.079
<v Speaker 2>the current committee did accept input from outsiders, you know,

644
00:40:35.239 --> 00:40:39.000
<v Speaker 2>and advice about what should be sought, what would be useful,

645
00:40:40.239 --> 00:40:44.079
<v Speaker 2>and what should be disclosed. Right, That's a common thing.

646
00:40:44.159 --> 00:40:47.119
<v Speaker 2>Although again they were two different you know, they were

647
00:40:47.119 --> 00:40:51.519
<v Speaker 2>two different animals, but nonetheless they did do that, both

648
00:40:51.559 --> 00:40:55.280
<v Speaker 2>of them, except outside input about what should be sought.

649
00:40:55.400 --> 00:40:59.519
<v Speaker 3>Right, And I saw it in terms of known records. Again,

650
00:40:59.599 --> 00:41:03.000
<v Speaker 3>this is this is not it's not an inquiry, it's

651
00:41:03.039 --> 00:41:07.199
<v Speaker 3>not investigating. This is back to did the government itself

652
00:41:07.480 --> 00:41:11.320
<v Speaker 3>within you know, within all these investigations are the things

653
00:41:11.400 --> 00:41:14.599
<v Speaker 3>that are part of the body of record, you know,

654
00:41:15.159 --> 00:41:19.119
<v Speaker 3>like this was, that have never really been in They're

655
00:41:19.159 --> 00:41:23.000
<v Speaker 3>loose ends, they've never really been pursued. But this is

656
00:41:23.039 --> 00:41:27.679
<v Speaker 3>not brand new information. This is information that has already

657
00:41:27.719 --> 00:41:31.199
<v Speaker 3>proven to be out there and exists, and nobody managed

658
00:41:31.239 --> 00:41:35.719
<v Speaker 3>to obtain the same thing would be with the UAP reports.

659
00:41:36.199 --> 00:41:39.840
<v Speaker 3>These people that are testifying are talking about things that

660
00:41:39.920 --> 00:41:43.199
<v Speaker 3>are known to exist within the government, that have been

661
00:41:43.360 --> 00:41:47.840
<v Speaker 3>part of whistleblower reports by g investigations. You know, this

662
00:41:47.920 --> 00:41:50.800
<v Speaker 3>is all known stuff. It's not new, and I guess again,

663
00:41:51.360 --> 00:41:54.400
<v Speaker 3>I know it's belaboring the point, but it's this is

664
00:41:54.440 --> 00:41:57.320
<v Speaker 3>the whole point is to identity things that are already

665
00:41:57.400 --> 00:42:02.760
<v Speaker 3>known and whose location is clear and try to close

666
00:42:02.760 --> 00:42:03.679
<v Speaker 3>the loop on those.

667
00:42:05.719 --> 00:42:07.280
<v Speaker 1>So so there you have that.

668
00:42:07.599 --> 00:42:11.480
<v Speaker 2>But you know what, what else can be said regarding

669
00:42:11.519 --> 00:42:16.440
<v Speaker 2>the interactions, because you know, some people have sort of interpreted,

670
00:42:17.320 --> 00:42:19.639
<v Speaker 2>you know, the events of the past couple of years,

671
00:42:20.000 --> 00:42:22.599
<v Speaker 2>whether it be an UAP or it be on JFK,

672
00:42:23.039 --> 00:42:25.280
<v Speaker 2>or you know, the fact that we did see a

673
00:42:25.320 --> 00:42:30.519
<v Speaker 2>release regarding our FK that was a bit more expansive

674
00:42:30.920 --> 00:42:35.760
<v Speaker 2>than what was available in DC anyway, or at you know,

675
00:42:35.840 --> 00:42:39.559
<v Speaker 2>at the archives, although you and I discussed that, and

676
00:42:39.840 --> 00:42:43.199
<v Speaker 2>the majority of it was stuff that had been around

677
00:42:43.880 --> 00:42:48.400
<v Speaker 2>but was not necessarily as accessible. So there are you know,

678
00:42:48.679 --> 00:42:52.599
<v Speaker 2>the upgrades, if you will, of access where nowadays somebody

679
00:42:52.639 --> 00:42:54.800
<v Speaker 2>can go and click on a file folder and look

680
00:42:54.800 --> 00:42:57.880
<v Speaker 2>at things that were particularly hard to obtain not too

681
00:42:57.920 --> 00:43:01.360
<v Speaker 2>long ago. I'm not speaking to the quality of that

682
00:43:01.599 --> 00:43:05.760
<v Speaker 2>or exactly how well it's organized or anything else. I'm

683
00:43:05.800 --> 00:43:09.280
<v Speaker 2>just saying that it's now available where it was not previously,

684
00:43:10.719 --> 00:43:11.639
<v Speaker 2>to the whole country.

685
00:43:11.679 --> 00:43:13.440
<v Speaker 1>You say, yeah, go ahead, I.

686
00:43:13.719 --> 00:43:16.440
<v Speaker 3>Would, but there is again, there's a good deal of

687
00:43:16.480 --> 00:43:21.320
<v Speaker 3>confusion about that. Yes, I know of nothing related to

688
00:43:21.440 --> 00:43:28.119
<v Speaker 3>j f K, MLK or RFK that is now. You know,

689
00:43:29.039 --> 00:43:32.679
<v Speaker 3>we've had some some documents that have been provided, right.

690
00:43:32.920 --> 00:43:37.559
<v Speaker 3>You know that that Luna asked for things about William

691
00:43:37.639 --> 00:43:41.079
<v Speaker 3>Harvey things. So there are some documents that have been

692
00:43:41.119 --> 00:43:43.159
<v Speaker 3>requested and are now visible.

693
00:43:43.599 --> 00:43:47.719
<v Speaker 2>And Morley got some of the Joe stuff right right, Yeah, okay.

694
00:43:47.559 --> 00:43:50.599
<v Speaker 3>But but that's only happened literally, if you think about

695
00:43:50.599 --> 00:43:54.119
<v Speaker 3>this is very strange. This has only happened because a

696
00:43:54.119 --> 00:44:00.719
<v Speaker 3>a committee chair has asked an agency for something and

697
00:44:00.800 --> 00:44:05.199
<v Speaker 3>they have responded, and she has released it. You know,

698
00:44:05.239 --> 00:44:09.000
<v Speaker 3>it's kind of like the the Soviet records of Oswald.

699
00:44:09.039 --> 00:44:12.599
<v Speaker 3>She has released it. There there's no mechanism to release

700
00:44:12.679 --> 00:44:18.599
<v Speaker 3>this stuff. That's a personal personal act on her part

701
00:44:18.639 --> 00:44:22.760
<v Speaker 3>as chairman for Transparency, because there is no federal mechanism

702
00:44:23.079 --> 00:44:27.239
<v Speaker 3>to release what she's asking for. In getting this strange

703
00:44:27.239 --> 00:44:29.639
<v Speaker 3>thing when you carry that over to the UFOs, the

704
00:44:29.719 --> 00:44:33.719
<v Speaker 3>UAPs is there's all this talk and all this media

705
00:44:34.239 --> 00:44:37.719
<v Speaker 3>about oh, we're seeing UFO reports now, and so none

706
00:44:37.719 --> 00:44:41.079
<v Speaker 3>of that has anything at all to what her oversight

707
00:44:41.119 --> 00:44:46.239
<v Speaker 3>committee is doing. We are getting documents released because the

708
00:44:46.360 --> 00:44:54.079
<v Speaker 3>President gave a directive executive order and the DNI, whoever

709
00:44:54.119 --> 00:44:59.039
<v Speaker 3>the DNI is at the given moment, made a request

710
00:44:59.119 --> 00:45:03.159
<v Speaker 3>and asked to various agencies and started doing a collection.

711
00:45:04.320 --> 00:45:06.880
<v Speaker 3>How they're doing a collection, it's sort of like, is

712
00:45:06.920 --> 00:45:09.760
<v Speaker 3>everybody just sending stuff in the mail to a desk

713
00:45:09.840 --> 00:45:13.440
<v Speaker 3>and it's all being dumped out by the White House essentially, Yeah,

714
00:45:13.440 --> 00:45:18.119
<v Speaker 3>that's what is happening. That's not at all anything to

715
00:45:18.159 --> 00:45:21.360
<v Speaker 3>do with their oversight committee. The stuff that's coming out

716
00:45:21.360 --> 00:45:29.320
<v Speaker 3>of the other congressionally mandated group, the on UVAPS, has

717
00:45:29.360 --> 00:45:31.599
<v Speaker 3>nothing to do with your committee. So I think people

718
00:45:31.679 --> 00:45:34.280
<v Speaker 3>are probably looking at this like saying that there's some

719
00:45:35.039 --> 00:45:39.639
<v Speaker 3>mechanism at work that's actually somehow now reaching out and

720
00:45:39.679 --> 00:45:44.000
<v Speaker 3>grabbing stuff and making it available, And no, that's just

721
00:45:44.119 --> 00:45:47.039
<v Speaker 3>things that are happening independently, right.

722
00:45:48.239 --> 00:45:50.440
<v Speaker 1>No, that's the thing with the ARB.

723
00:45:50.639 --> 00:45:53.679
<v Speaker 2>There was a system by which this stuff would travel

724
00:45:53.800 --> 00:45:57.519
<v Speaker 2>be considered, and the records would be as you said,

725
00:45:57.920 --> 00:46:00.639
<v Speaker 2>you know, just like the name implies, the records would

726
00:46:00.639 --> 00:46:01.320
<v Speaker 2>be reviewed.

727
00:46:02.039 --> 00:46:03.039
<v Speaker 1>And you know.

728
00:46:03.039 --> 00:46:05.519
<v Speaker 2>That that led to the whole description of you know,

729
00:46:05.559 --> 00:46:08.360
<v Speaker 2>the CIA guys sitting there would fight them on every document.

730
00:46:08.480 --> 00:46:12.000
<v Speaker 2>But you know, so on and so forth all that,

731
00:46:12.559 --> 00:46:15.760
<v Speaker 2>but that mechanism is not even there. It's not even

732
00:46:15.800 --> 00:46:17.239
<v Speaker 2>there for someone to obstruct.

733
00:46:18.000 --> 00:46:22.199
<v Speaker 3>It's just yeah, yeah, it is fascinating. And that again,

734
00:46:22.239 --> 00:46:25.960
<v Speaker 3>I talked to so many people about the UAPs. It's like,

735
00:46:26.039 --> 00:46:28.599
<v Speaker 3>all you guys are getting all these records. Well, now

736
00:46:28.679 --> 00:46:32.519
<v Speaker 3>what we're getting is we're not getting what we got

737
00:46:32.559 --> 00:46:36.079
<v Speaker 3>fifty years ago from the Air Force investigation, where you

738
00:46:36.119 --> 00:46:39.320
<v Speaker 3>would see, okay, here's the report, here's who made it,

739
00:46:39.400 --> 00:46:42.400
<v Speaker 3>here's where it was made, here are descriptions, here's how

740
00:46:42.440 --> 00:46:47.159
<v Speaker 3>it was investigated. Great, we're getting none of that. Everything

741
00:46:47.400 --> 00:46:52.320
<v Speaker 3>is redacted out. You know, I'm looking at report. Fascinating

742
00:46:52.320 --> 00:46:55.440
<v Speaker 3>to report the other day that says, you know, on

743
00:46:55.480 --> 00:46:59.559
<v Speaker 3>an unstated date, at an undefined location in the Western

744
00:46:59.679 --> 00:47:04.599
<v Speaker 3>United States, these people were interviewed by the FBI about

745
00:47:04.639 --> 00:47:09.239
<v Speaker 3>something that they observed, and it's there's it's not actually

746
00:47:09.280 --> 00:47:12.760
<v Speaker 3>a government document. There's no routing on it. There's no

747
00:47:13.079 --> 00:47:14.199
<v Speaker 3>was it investigator?

748
00:47:14.239 --> 00:47:17.679
<v Speaker 1>Was it not?

749
00:47:14.960 --> 00:47:21.599
<v Speaker 2>It's not a threeero two form. It doesn't tell you.

750
00:47:21.760 --> 00:47:25.440
<v Speaker 2>Does it even indicate you who conducted the investigation.

751
00:47:25.079 --> 00:47:28.639
<v Speaker 3>Or in some cases yes, in some cases no. In

752
00:47:28.679 --> 00:47:31.679
<v Speaker 3>the case I'm taking about it is the FBI, because

753
00:47:32.000 --> 00:47:34.360
<v Speaker 3>a lot of a lot of the reports that we

754
00:47:34.400 --> 00:47:39.079
<v Speaker 3>would have wanted would have come from the Strategic Air

755
00:47:39.159 --> 00:47:45.239
<v Speaker 3>Command or the Strategic Command or nor Read or whatever.

756
00:47:45.480 --> 00:47:48.599
<v Speaker 3>That's not what we're getting. We're getting reports that came

757
00:47:48.679 --> 00:47:53.400
<v Speaker 3>through the Department of Energy and related to the FBI,

758
00:47:53.599 --> 00:47:58.239
<v Speaker 3>who who interview people about an incident, or homeland security

759
00:47:58.679 --> 00:48:03.159
<v Speaker 3>or you know it, the Nuclear Regulatory Commission. These are

760
00:48:03.199 --> 00:48:08.280
<v Speaker 3>all kind of miscellaneous reports. The only reports that are

761
00:48:08.280 --> 00:48:12.760
<v Speaker 3>being released from the military, the Department of whatever you

762
00:48:12.760 --> 00:48:16.320
<v Speaker 3>want to call it, relate to things that are overseas.

763
00:48:16.719 --> 00:48:18.719
<v Speaker 3>And you are now go and look at the list

764
00:48:18.760 --> 00:48:23.280
<v Speaker 3>and go, oh man, all those videos, all those images,

765
00:48:23.480 --> 00:48:25.960
<v Speaker 3>all that sort of stuff there, you know, from aircraft

766
00:48:26.000 --> 00:48:29.079
<v Speaker 3>and the receptors and so on and so forth. Yeah,

767
00:48:29.119 --> 00:48:32.079
<v Speaker 3>that's great. It's all over the Persian Gulf, you know,

768
00:48:32.360 --> 00:48:34.000
<v Speaker 3>like about the United States.

769
00:48:34.079 --> 00:48:36.119
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, like the one we discussed about the hell fire

770
00:48:36.159 --> 00:48:38.360
<v Speaker 2>missile that appeared to almost bounce on that was.

771
00:48:38.480 --> 00:48:40.320
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that was in the that was over in the

772
00:48:40.360 --> 00:48:41.599
<v Speaker 1>Middle East. That occurred.

773
00:48:42.480 --> 00:48:44.400
<v Speaker 3>It would almost lead you to think that the United

774
00:48:44.400 --> 00:48:47.440
<v Speaker 3>States has no military in the continental the United States.

775
00:48:47.760 --> 00:48:51.159
<v Speaker 3>They're all overseas, and then it's like, well, maybe that's true.

776
00:48:51.519 --> 00:48:55.239
<v Speaker 2>Well some people do think that, but they clearly don't

777
00:48:55.280 --> 00:48:58.719
<v Speaker 2>live near any of the bases because they're bases anyway.

778
00:49:00.039 --> 00:49:03.079
<v Speaker 2>All right, So all that being said, I mean, that's

779
00:49:03.119 --> 00:49:06.519
<v Speaker 2>where we're left. And it's actually kind of an interesting

780
00:49:06.559 --> 00:49:09.880
<v Speaker 2>situation in that things are happening despite the fact that

781
00:49:09.920 --> 00:49:13.639
<v Speaker 2>they're not being compelled by a specific mechanism.

782
00:49:14.360 --> 00:49:16.920
<v Speaker 1>Still, all of it's sort of inspired.

783
00:49:16.519 --> 00:49:21.039
<v Speaker 2>In my opinion, by the generalized executive order.

784
00:49:21.840 --> 00:49:23.760
<v Speaker 1>So Trump's executive order.

785
00:49:23.719 --> 00:49:27.119
<v Speaker 2>Is kind of being followed in a loose sort of

786
00:49:27.159 --> 00:49:32.039
<v Speaker 2>way by people all along the chain instead of it

787
00:49:32.119 --> 00:49:34.400
<v Speaker 2>being run through the normal channels.

788
00:49:34.719 --> 00:49:36.480
<v Speaker 1>Is that accurate you think.

789
00:49:36.639 --> 00:49:39.840
<v Speaker 3>In any kind of a structured fashion. I think it's

790
00:49:39.920 --> 00:49:43.280
<v Speaker 3>sort of like an announcement is made that says we're

791
00:49:43.320 --> 00:49:49.159
<v Speaker 3>going to have transparency, right, and then things happen and

792
00:49:49.519 --> 00:49:52.199
<v Speaker 3>if you know, a year later, you would look back

793
00:49:52.239 --> 00:49:55.159
<v Speaker 3>and say, did we have transparency? You know, let's let's

794
00:49:55.159 --> 00:50:00.280
<v Speaker 3>evaluate this. It's it's not the kind of transparent see

795
00:50:00.280 --> 00:50:01.400
<v Speaker 3>who were expecting so.

796
00:50:01.440 --> 00:50:05.719
<v Speaker 2>Far right right now, It's just it's an anomaly, if

797
00:50:05.760 --> 00:50:08.639
<v Speaker 2>you will, when it comes to these things. And you know,

798
00:50:08.960 --> 00:50:11.960
<v Speaker 2>and that's even in the face of people not understanding

799
00:50:12.000 --> 00:50:13.639
<v Speaker 2>that you know, oh well, you know they were going

800
00:50:13.719 --> 00:50:17.639
<v Speaker 2>to withhold stuff for seventy five years and that was unusual.

801
00:50:17.800 --> 00:50:21.719
<v Speaker 1>And you know, if it wasn't for you know, Oliver Stone,

802
00:50:21.760 --> 00:50:23.000
<v Speaker 1>then Bubba. You know.

803
00:50:23.159 --> 00:50:25.639
<v Speaker 2>The problem there is that people don't look at the

804
00:50:25.679 --> 00:50:29.679
<v Speaker 2>regular procedures anyway for congressional committees, because if you did,

805
00:50:30.360 --> 00:50:34.559
<v Speaker 2>you'd know that Pearl Harbor's information, which there were various

806
00:50:34.599 --> 00:50:39.679
<v Speaker 2>investigations regarding Pearl Harbor, a lot more investigations through the Congress,

807
00:50:39.719 --> 00:50:43.280
<v Speaker 2>I think than anything close to what we have here

808
00:50:43.320 --> 00:50:49.480
<v Speaker 2>with the Kennedy assassination, King and probably UAPs combined. I

809
00:50:49.519 --> 00:50:52.239
<v Speaker 2>think there were more investigations if I remember right about

810
00:50:52.239 --> 00:50:57.480
<v Speaker 2>Pearl Harbor, but that information was not forthcoming and transparent

811
00:50:57.559 --> 00:51:02.880
<v Speaker 2>right away because of the normal procedure of withholding congressional records,

812
00:51:03.920 --> 00:51:05.639
<v Speaker 2>which is part of the equation as well.

813
00:51:05.719 --> 00:51:09.559
<v Speaker 3>Right, Yeah, there are two things that are working against

814
00:51:09.639 --> 00:51:13.360
<v Speaker 3>each other. The one thing is if Congress any there

815
00:51:13.440 --> 00:51:18.199
<v Speaker 3>is an official federal investigation of anything, at least information

816
00:51:18.440 --> 00:51:22.280
<v Speaker 3>is collected, and it's collected in a body about that subject,

817
00:51:22.719 --> 00:51:25.599
<v Speaker 3>and it's in a set of holders whatever, And then

818
00:51:26.920 --> 00:51:30.599
<v Speaker 3>the good news is it's collected, so it just doesn't disappear.

819
00:51:31.000 --> 00:51:35.519
<v Speaker 3>But then it falls under the classification that says fifty years,

820
00:51:35.559 --> 00:51:38.480
<v Speaker 3>seventy five years. So the good news is it's still

821
00:51:38.519 --> 00:51:41.719
<v Speaker 3>there and eventually somebody will get it. As compared to

822
00:51:42.119 --> 00:51:46.039
<v Speaker 3>what again, most people don't know that there are very

823
00:51:46.079 --> 00:51:51.320
<v Speaker 3>specific protocols about records retentions within the military services and

824
00:51:51.400 --> 00:51:54.360
<v Speaker 3>with any government agencies, and most of them, I mean,

825
00:51:54.639 --> 00:51:57.679
<v Speaker 3>this makes sense, like you can't keep every piece of

826
00:51:57.719 --> 00:52:03.119
<v Speaker 3>paper forever, so in some cases they're very short. I

827
00:52:03.159 --> 00:52:08.559
<v Speaker 3>was reading several related to UAPs and it sort of, yes,

828
00:52:08.719 --> 00:52:11.719
<v Speaker 3>we had a threat report. There was actually an operational

829
00:52:11.800 --> 00:52:15.320
<v Speaker 3>report about a threat to this base. But our standard

830
00:52:15.360 --> 00:52:21.440
<v Speaker 3>records retention protocol is, after you know, thirty days it's gone,

831
00:52:21.960 --> 00:52:27.199
<v Speaker 3>we don't you know whatever happened. If there was no

832
00:52:27.239 --> 00:52:30.559
<v Speaker 3>military action, we don't keep it. And there was no

833
00:52:30.679 --> 00:52:34.599
<v Speaker 3>body to collect that. So what we end up is

834
00:52:34.599 --> 00:52:38.280
<v Speaker 3>we end up with a lot large compilation at the

835
00:52:38.400 --> 00:52:43.719
<v Speaker 3>National Archives of investigations that are conducted by government bodies

836
00:52:44.000 --> 00:52:47.480
<v Speaker 3>that stay there for a very long time, and the

837
00:52:47.519 --> 00:52:50.480
<v Speaker 3>other stuff that happens on a daily basis or a

838
00:52:50.480 --> 00:52:55.320
<v Speaker 3>weekly basis, unless it's part of something you know, above

839
00:52:55.400 --> 00:52:59.719
<v Speaker 3>the daily operations of that agency or service. It just

840
00:53:00.039 --> 00:53:04.559
<v Speaker 3>it's destroyed after thirty days, sixty days, whatever. They all

841
00:53:04.599 --> 00:53:08.760
<v Speaker 3>have retentions protocols, but it never gets saved, which is

842
00:53:09.000 --> 00:53:14.199
<v Speaker 3>you know, I think people don't really understand that information

843
00:53:15.000 --> 00:53:19.159
<v Speaker 3>goes away that quickly at a local level unless there's

844
00:53:19.239 --> 00:53:22.639
<v Speaker 3>been a special investigation to collect it, which is everything

845
00:53:22.679 --> 00:53:26.199
<v Speaker 3>that we've talked about tonight, Chuck. As far as the

846
00:53:26.679 --> 00:53:34.760
<v Speaker 3>JFK records were records that were collected by various congressional activities, right,

847
00:53:35.599 --> 00:53:38.800
<v Speaker 3>and there is a related record out there that an

848
00:53:38.920 --> 00:53:43.800
<v Speaker 3>FBI local office that nobody collected it went away.

849
00:53:43.880 --> 00:53:48.119
<v Speaker 2>Well, right, because here's the thing, they were given special

850
00:53:49.639 --> 00:53:54.719
<v Speaker 2>you know, classifications for retention because, as you said, in

851
00:53:54.760 --> 00:53:57.159
<v Speaker 2>the normal course of things, eventually most of this stuff

852
00:53:57.199 --> 00:54:00.000
<v Speaker 2>has destroyed. Now, a major exception to that might be

853
00:54:00.159 --> 00:54:04.199
<v Speaker 2>the records of the President, where you know, pretty much

854
00:54:04.239 --> 00:54:07.480
<v Speaker 2>every scrap of paper that's pretty much utilized or touched

855
00:54:07.480 --> 00:54:11.880
<v Speaker 2>by the president, is supposed to be preserved, you know,

856
00:54:12.000 --> 00:54:16.559
<v Speaker 2>according to the standards, right, But Congress, they have different

857
00:54:16.599 --> 00:54:22.760
<v Speaker 2>time periods where these things are you know, summarily destroyed, okay,

858
00:54:22.960 --> 00:54:26.440
<v Speaker 2>or preserved you know, again, depending on what they are.

859
00:54:28.719 --> 00:54:30.440
<v Speaker 2>And I used to have to explain this when people

860
00:54:30.480 --> 00:54:32.119
<v Speaker 2>said there was no reason in the world for them

861
00:54:32.159 --> 00:54:34.719
<v Speaker 2>to pick the twenty twenty nine date, you know, because

862
00:54:34.760 --> 00:54:37.039
<v Speaker 2>that was the initial date. And I'm like, actually, there's

863
00:54:37.039 --> 00:54:41.599
<v Speaker 2>a perfectly mathematical explanation for twenty twenty nine as being

864
00:54:41.639 --> 00:54:45.119
<v Speaker 2>the year, and you know, people would be mystified, and

865
00:54:45.159 --> 00:54:48.199
<v Speaker 2>I'd say it's pretty simple. You know, the Warrant Commission

866
00:54:48.239 --> 00:54:52.960
<v Speaker 2>concluded its work in nineteen sixty four that stuff was

867
00:54:53.039 --> 00:54:56.599
<v Speaker 2>to be withheld from a public view, you know, outside

868
00:54:56.679 --> 00:54:59.800
<v Speaker 2>of what was published by the Government Printing Office. Remember

869
00:54:59.800 --> 00:55:02.239
<v Speaker 2>I'm using the word government here in a lot of places,

870
00:55:02.280 --> 00:55:07.119
<v Speaker 2>because guess what. That's who's involved, and that's who's guiding when,

871
00:55:07.400 --> 00:55:11.119
<v Speaker 2>how and where this stuff is released and also how

872
00:55:11.159 --> 00:55:14.400
<v Speaker 2>it's collected and preserved. So the thing is sixty four.

873
00:55:14.480 --> 00:55:17.239
<v Speaker 2>If you add seventy five years to nineteen sixty four,

874
00:55:17.320 --> 00:55:21.159
<v Speaker 2>guess what year you get to twenty twenty nine. It's

875
00:55:21.280 --> 00:55:25.639
<v Speaker 2>not a special thing that was done because Kennedy. It's

876
00:55:25.960 --> 00:55:27.039
<v Speaker 2>that's the way it was.

877
00:55:27.199 --> 00:55:27.360
<v Speaker 1>Now.

878
00:55:27.480 --> 00:55:31.440
<v Speaker 2>There have been disclosures because the Freedom of Information Acts.

879
00:55:31.519 --> 00:55:33.800
<v Speaker 2>I mean, this is how we got, you know, hold

880
00:55:33.800 --> 00:55:37.320
<v Speaker 2>of the first executive sessions of the Warrant Commission and

881
00:55:37.360 --> 00:55:39.000
<v Speaker 2>everything in the nineteen seventies.

882
00:55:39.920 --> 00:55:42.199
<v Speaker 1>I think it was doctor Ron and Howard Weisberg.

883
00:55:42.679 --> 00:55:46.239
<v Speaker 2>You know, we're actively involved in that at a certain point, right,

884
00:55:48.079 --> 00:55:51.199
<v Speaker 2>you know, but these are things that were done under

885
00:55:51.239 --> 00:55:58.679
<v Speaker 2>the procedures and based on some actual common practices where yeah, indeed,

886
00:55:58.719 --> 00:56:02.360
<v Speaker 2>Congressional records, under the right circumstances are withheld from public

887
00:56:02.440 --> 00:56:06.280
<v Speaker 2>view for seventy five years. So when the House Select

888
00:56:06.280 --> 00:56:09.280
<v Speaker 2>Committee was also going to be withheld for fifty years,

889
00:56:10.159 --> 00:56:14.719
<v Speaker 2>it also made perfect sense, right, because that's what they

890
00:56:14.760 --> 00:56:18.199
<v Speaker 2>did with a lot of things. And you're never going

891
00:56:18.280 --> 00:56:21.880
<v Speaker 2>to see the House on non American activities, you know,

892
00:56:22.039 --> 00:56:25.039
<v Speaker 2>in total, I don't think that's ever going to see

893
00:56:25.039 --> 00:56:29.360
<v Speaker 2>the light of day, because there are provisions where you

894
00:56:29.440 --> 00:56:33.519
<v Speaker 2>can prolong it, delay it, change the release date, but

895
00:56:33.639 --> 00:56:36.679
<v Speaker 2>there are standard procedures that take over without anybody making

896
00:56:36.719 --> 00:56:38.079
<v Speaker 2>a declaration or decision.

897
00:56:39.360 --> 00:56:43.079
<v Speaker 1>So you know, that's I mean, does that sound like

898
00:56:43.119 --> 00:56:46.360
<v Speaker 1>a fairly reasonable basic explanation.

899
00:56:46.519 --> 00:56:51.280
<v Speaker 3>There's nothing mysterious about that. There's nothing intentionally evil about that.

900
00:56:51.480 --> 00:56:56.880
<v Speaker 3>It's just records retentions are different against agencies and at

901
00:56:56.920 --> 00:57:00.599
<v Speaker 3>different levels of government, and they just it's it. It is.

902
00:57:00.599 --> 00:57:03.519
<v Speaker 3>Is it a bureaucracy, Yes it is, Yes it is.

903
00:57:03.599 --> 00:57:08.199
<v Speaker 3>But there you know, there's a reason for that, or

904
00:57:08.280 --> 00:57:11.920
<v Speaker 3>people would be deluged with pieces of paper and they

905
00:57:11.960 --> 00:57:16.039
<v Speaker 3>could never find anything. But so nothing mysterious. You just

906
00:57:16.159 --> 00:57:19.320
<v Speaker 3>have to know what their their protocols.

907
00:57:18.679 --> 00:57:24.519
<v Speaker 2>Are, right, And there are various presidential commissions, okay, outside

908
00:57:24.559 --> 00:57:27.440
<v Speaker 2>of what people commonly refer to as the Warrant Commission,

909
00:57:28.079 --> 00:57:31.480
<v Speaker 2>uh where, Yeah, their records are basically handled in a

910
00:57:31.599 --> 00:57:35.159
<v Speaker 2>very similar fashion, and they could be studying, you know,

911
00:57:35.440 --> 00:57:40.159
<v Speaker 2>something like the farming communities and the effect on our

912
00:57:40.199 --> 00:57:44.280
<v Speaker 2>food supply during a ten year time period where there

913
00:57:44.280 --> 00:57:45.119
<v Speaker 2>appeared to be.

914
00:57:45.000 --> 00:57:46.519
<v Speaker 1>You know, this is what I'm saying. It could be

915
00:57:46.559 --> 00:57:48.199
<v Speaker 1>the most mundane things.

916
00:57:48.760 --> 00:57:53.679
<v Speaker 2>Not necessarily always the most controversial, or things that are filled.

917
00:57:53.440 --> 00:57:56.679
<v Speaker 1>With murder mayhem and you know, intrigue.

918
00:57:57.760 --> 00:58:00.719
<v Speaker 2>Those records are withheld too, and you end up with

919
00:58:00.760 --> 00:58:03.559
<v Speaker 2>an even smaller report. I mean I've got reports on

920
00:58:03.599 --> 00:58:07.639
<v Speaker 2>stuff from the Kennedy administration, you know, regarding the behavior

921
00:58:07.880 --> 00:58:12.440
<v Speaker 2>of the shipbuilding industry and how it relates to you know,

922
00:58:12.599 --> 00:58:15.559
<v Speaker 2>stuff like this goes on all the time. This is

923
00:58:15.599 --> 00:58:18.719
<v Speaker 2>part of the bureaucracy as well, So you know, let's

924
00:58:18.719 --> 00:58:23.480
<v Speaker 2>look at what's normal and also not necessarily ascribe the

925
00:58:23.519 --> 00:58:27.400
<v Speaker 2>nefarious nature to everything right away. That's not to say

926
00:58:27.400 --> 00:58:31.079
<v Speaker 2>there isn't nefarious purposes or that it's useful that these

927
00:58:31.119 --> 00:58:36.159
<v Speaker 2>procedures delay the release until everybody's dead who was involved.

928
00:58:36.480 --> 00:58:37.280
<v Speaker 1>You know, and all that.

929
00:58:37.519 --> 00:58:40.320
<v Speaker 2>Yes, and even I've stated on here, you know, which

930
00:58:40.320 --> 00:58:44.039
<v Speaker 2>I find funny. You'll find that there are documents on

931
00:58:44.119 --> 00:58:49.400
<v Speaker 2>the on guess who the Lincoln assassination that are still withheld,

932
00:58:50.559 --> 00:58:55.000
<v Speaker 2>you know, for national security purposes. Figure that one out, folks.

933
00:58:55.440 --> 00:58:59.840
<v Speaker 2>There was no Secret Service protection at the time. Okay,

934
00:58:59.679 --> 00:59:03.800
<v Speaker 2>they were fully engaged in counterfeiting. So it's not about

935
00:59:03.800 --> 00:59:07.320
<v Speaker 2>the Secret Service. Obviously there was a failure of whatever

936
00:59:07.360 --> 00:59:10.559
<v Speaker 2>the hell was going on because well Lincoln got shot.

937
00:59:11.599 --> 00:59:14.360
<v Speaker 1>But there's stuff withheld on that to this day that

938
00:59:14.519 --> 00:59:14.840
<v Speaker 1>if you.

939
00:59:14.880 --> 00:59:17.880
<v Speaker 2>Go and you try and get it from the National Archives. Yeah,

940
00:59:17.920 --> 00:59:19.840
<v Speaker 2>you could ask for a document and get one of

941
00:59:19.880 --> 00:59:21.800
<v Speaker 2>those slips. I mean, I don't know if they physically

942
00:59:21.880 --> 00:59:24.400
<v Speaker 2>do that anymore, but you get a slip where you

943
00:59:24.480 --> 00:59:29.519
<v Speaker 2>open a folder and the record is withheld, so you know, that.

944
00:59:29.599 --> 00:59:30.440
<v Speaker 1>Is still possible.

945
00:59:33.159 --> 00:59:36.320
<v Speaker 2>Anyway, all of that aside, it's just a matter of,

946
00:59:36.480 --> 00:59:39.760
<v Speaker 2>you know, let's have some clarity and not look for

947
00:59:39.840 --> 00:59:43.280
<v Speaker 2>Santa Claus to deliver as presence, you know, because there's

948
00:59:43.320 --> 00:59:44.400
<v Speaker 2>no Santa Claus here.

949
00:59:44.440 --> 00:59:46.880
<v Speaker 1>There is a mechanism. There are things happening.

950
00:59:47.840 --> 00:59:50.760
<v Speaker 2>But you know, the people that say, well, they should investigate,

951
00:59:50.800 --> 00:59:54.000
<v Speaker 2>and they should, they're not empowered to do that. That's

952
00:59:54.079 --> 00:59:56.920
<v Speaker 2>like asking a local cop, you.

953
00:59:56.960 --> 01:00:01.719
<v Speaker 1>Know, to do the work of the FBI. They're not

954
01:00:01.840 --> 01:00:02.760
<v Speaker 1>empowered to do that.

955
01:00:02.800 --> 01:00:05.079
<v Speaker 2>They don't have the resources to do that, they don't

956
01:00:05.119 --> 01:00:08.280
<v Speaker 2>have the directives in place to do it. You're asking

957
01:00:08.320 --> 01:00:12.159
<v Speaker 2>the wrong person to do something. Now, could a local cop,

958
01:00:12.320 --> 01:00:15.360
<v Speaker 2>you know, inspire the FBI to get involved in an

959
01:00:15.400 --> 01:00:20.719
<v Speaker 2>interstate investigation? Possibly there are mechanisms in place where they

960
01:00:20.719 --> 01:00:23.519
<v Speaker 2>can ask for assistance and they can make them aware

961
01:00:23.519 --> 01:00:26.320
<v Speaker 2>of evidence that would fall under their jurisdiction, et cetera,

962
01:00:26.360 --> 01:00:29.239
<v Speaker 2>et cetera. This is my you know example here to

963
01:00:29.320 --> 01:00:33.760
<v Speaker 2>draw a parallel that you can only ask, you know,

964
01:00:34.119 --> 01:00:40.159
<v Speaker 2>the office of anything, whether it's a sheriff or you know,

965
01:00:40.440 --> 01:00:45.280
<v Speaker 2>or it's a congress person or whatever, to operate within

966
01:00:45.400 --> 01:00:47.199
<v Speaker 2>the parameters of said office.

967
01:00:47.320 --> 01:00:49.960
<v Speaker 1>Okay, And we.

968
01:00:50.000 --> 01:00:51.760
<v Speaker 2>Have to get to the reality of that, and I

969
01:00:51.760 --> 01:00:53.800
<v Speaker 2>think people fail to understand that, and they're just like

970
01:00:54.159 --> 01:00:56.679
<v Speaker 2>they need to disclose this stuff and go after this

971
01:00:56.840 --> 01:00:59.920
<v Speaker 2>information and get these people. That's not what they're there

972
01:01:00.159 --> 01:01:04.360
<v Speaker 2>to do, you know. And again, remember, like Larry said,

973
01:01:04.400 --> 01:01:07.559
<v Speaker 2>you know, the record's review happens with the Records Review Board.

974
01:01:08.079 --> 01:01:11.559
<v Speaker 2>The oversight happens with the Oversight Committee where they're looking

975
01:01:11.679 --> 01:01:15.920
<v Speaker 2>over things and that have already happened. They're not making

976
01:01:15.960 --> 01:01:17.559
<v Speaker 2>new things happen necessarily.

977
01:01:18.719 --> 01:01:21.360
<v Speaker 1>You know. Do you think that's fair to say, Larry.

978
01:01:21.760 --> 01:01:23.599
<v Speaker 3>Oh, I think that's fair to say. And I think

979
01:01:23.639 --> 01:01:25.960
<v Speaker 3>this is I mean, I don't blame people for not

980
01:01:26.039 --> 01:01:30.039
<v Speaker 3>knowing this. This is like, you know, the senior level

981
01:01:30.159 --> 01:01:33.599
<v Speaker 3>Civics class know your government and know your government at

982
01:01:33.599 --> 01:01:36.360
<v Speaker 3>this level of details. You know, we all have trouble

983
01:01:36.480 --> 01:01:39.159
<v Speaker 3>knowing the government at any level of detail. And this

984
01:01:39.199 --> 01:01:44.519
<v Speaker 3>is this is pretty minute. But so there's there's the

985
01:01:44.599 --> 01:01:48.960
<v Speaker 3>problem is nobody intuitively knows this. It's not even civics

986
01:01:49.000 --> 01:01:51.400
<v Speaker 3>hasn't covered that much in high school these days.

987
01:01:51.400 --> 01:01:54.480
<v Speaker 1>But even the basis, yeah, even the basics.

988
01:01:55.320 --> 01:01:58.119
<v Speaker 3>If you missed it, this isn't the basics. But you know,

989
01:01:58.239 --> 01:02:02.400
<v Speaker 3>you shouldn't be shocked. I guess you're as you're saying. Check.

990
01:02:02.480 --> 01:02:07.159
<v Speaker 3>People want it, they expect it. It's intuitive, but that's

991
01:02:07.280 --> 01:02:11.039
<v Speaker 3>just it's not the way the system works, right.

992
01:02:11.079 --> 01:02:13.280
<v Speaker 1>Right, So so there you have it.

993
01:02:13.320 --> 01:02:16.000
<v Speaker 2>I mean, ultimately, you know, you can say whatever you

994
01:02:16.039 --> 01:02:18.199
<v Speaker 2>want and closing here, but I think we've covered this

995
01:02:18.400 --> 01:02:22.639
<v Speaker 2>pretty well, uh, given people an idea of what's happening. Uh,

996
01:02:22.880 --> 01:02:26.079
<v Speaker 2>you know, And again this is not a criticism of anybody,

997
01:02:26.960 --> 01:02:32.840
<v Speaker 2>uh that's involved. Everybody seems to have, you know, good motives,

998
01:02:32.960 --> 01:02:37.280
<v Speaker 2>you know, for the most part regarding Hey, let's get

999
01:02:37.320 --> 01:02:41.400
<v Speaker 2>to some clarity on these things. If documents can be released,

1000
01:02:41.480 --> 01:02:42.440
<v Speaker 2>let's get them released.

1001
01:02:43.159 --> 01:02:43.840
<v Speaker 1>Uh, you know.

1002
01:02:44.119 --> 01:02:46.239
<v Speaker 2>And and that's the thing, regardless of what you think

1003
01:02:46.239 --> 01:02:50.559
<v Speaker 2>of whoever's in charge. And I've had my mixed thoughts

1004
01:02:50.599 --> 01:02:53.960
<v Speaker 2>watching some of the hearings, you know, the fact is

1005
01:02:54.000 --> 01:02:57.199
<v Speaker 2>that ultimately it looks to me like they're kind of

1006
01:02:57.199 --> 01:03:02.760
<v Speaker 2>doing their job, you know, And yeah, go ahead, and.

1007
01:03:02.639 --> 01:03:05.760
<v Speaker 3>That would be my summaration. They are doing their job

1008
01:03:05.880 --> 01:03:10.960
<v Speaker 3>within the constraints of that job. It's it's not their

1009
01:03:11.000 --> 01:03:14.760
<v Speaker 3>fault that their Congress did not the clear and fund

1010
01:03:15.440 --> 01:03:18.559
<v Speaker 3>a new investigation of at least one of these things.

1011
01:03:18.719 --> 01:03:23.079
<v Speaker 3>But it didn't, you know. That's so within the constraints

1012
01:03:23.079 --> 01:03:27.400
<v Speaker 3>and within their environment and the very as you talked

1013
01:03:27.440 --> 01:03:30.239
<v Speaker 3>about earlier. You mentioned it hyperpole, and I think if

1014
01:03:30.719 --> 01:03:33.519
<v Speaker 3>if we all had hyperpole gauges, our heads would be

1015
01:03:33.559 --> 01:03:37.199
<v Speaker 3>blowing off now because nobody can make a statement in

1016
01:03:37.280 --> 01:03:42.079
<v Speaker 3>government without blaming somebody else, and that's slowing down the

1017
01:03:42.079 --> 01:03:48.199
<v Speaker 3>whole process. But that aside, they are doing what what

1018
01:03:48.239 --> 01:03:52.599
<v Speaker 3>they're legally constrained to do with within you know, the scope,

1019
01:03:52.800 --> 01:03:56.719
<v Speaker 3>and it's our our problem is not clearly understanding their

1020
01:03:56.760 --> 01:03:59.199
<v Speaker 3>scope or accepting it, you know, because we want a

1021
01:03:59.239 --> 01:04:02.880
<v Speaker 3>bigger scope, but they can't do that. So we just

1022
01:04:02.960 --> 01:04:05.679
<v Speaker 3>have to be realistic. And we are getting new things.

1023
01:04:05.760 --> 01:04:09.079
<v Speaker 3>We're getting bits and pieces. We're seeing things that we

1024
01:04:09.119 --> 01:04:13.679
<v Speaker 3>didn't see before, you know, whatever you want to call them.

1025
01:04:13.719 --> 01:04:16.519
<v Speaker 3>We are getting more details. And when this is all

1026
01:04:16.559 --> 01:04:20.280
<v Speaker 3>said and done, we don't know if they do a

1027
01:04:20.320 --> 01:04:23.079
<v Speaker 3>good job and their oversight committees of what I've been

1028
01:04:23.119 --> 01:04:26.000
<v Speaker 3>calling the ask, you know, kind of like, well, we

1029
01:04:26.000 --> 01:04:29.000
<v Speaker 3>weren't able to get you know, we got one through

1030
01:04:29.039 --> 01:04:32.239
<v Speaker 3>five and we didn't get six through fifty, and somebody

1031
01:04:32.280 --> 01:04:34.960
<v Speaker 3>really should make sure that you get six through That's

1032
01:04:35.679 --> 01:04:40.400
<v Speaker 3>that's still the responsibility of Congress. The committee's over them

1033
01:04:40.440 --> 01:04:43.920
<v Speaker 3>could do something further. We might get something more if

1034
01:04:43.960 --> 01:04:47.320
<v Speaker 3>somebody really wanted to push it from a political standpoint.

1035
01:04:48.800 --> 01:04:54.000
<v Speaker 3>So part of doing their job is that oversight report

1036
01:04:54.119 --> 01:04:56.519
<v Speaker 3>calling out all of the things that they identified that

1037
01:04:56.599 --> 01:05:01.079
<v Speaker 3>they didn't get is actually a very important things. I remember.

1038
01:05:01.159 --> 01:05:04.760
<v Speaker 3>I was shocked one time when I read the HSCA

1039
01:05:04.840 --> 01:05:09.440
<v Speaker 3>report and one of the early documents that was created

1040
01:05:09.599 --> 01:05:13.800
<v Speaker 3>was a document HSCA is specifically saying, these are all

1041
01:05:13.840 --> 01:05:17.360
<v Speaker 3>the things the FBI should have done in support of

1042
01:05:17.400 --> 01:05:21.239
<v Speaker 3>the Warren Commission but didn't do. So let's do it.

1043
01:05:22.440 --> 01:05:25.519
<v Speaker 3>You know. That's a good starting point, and these folks

1044
01:05:25.559 --> 01:05:28.840
<v Speaker 3>could leave a good starting point, just setting there for

1045
01:05:28.960 --> 01:05:30.039
<v Speaker 3>something else to occur.

1046
01:05:32.000 --> 01:05:32.239
<v Speaker 1>Right.

1047
01:05:32.400 --> 01:05:37.480
<v Speaker 2>So, ultimately, you also wrote about this, you know, in

1048
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<v Speaker 2>a blog post that is to be published soon or

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01:05:40.519 --> 01:05:43.000
<v Speaker 2>is it already because I know you shared it with me,

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01:05:43.039 --> 01:05:44.119
<v Speaker 2>I had of publishing it.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Actually, actually I dug into something that we've learned

1052
01:05:49.320 --> 01:05:53.239
<v Speaker 3>more about that actually being this is not being discussed much,

1053
01:05:54.119 --> 01:05:59.119
<v Speaker 3>and there are being claims made even now about Oswald

1054
01:05:59.320 --> 01:06:03.519
<v Speaker 3>and and this surface. One of the things that surfaced

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01:06:04.039 --> 01:06:08.719
<v Speaker 3>as part of these new documents have been documents as

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01:06:08.760 --> 01:06:13.920
<v Speaker 3>to when and where Oswald appeared on various government lists,

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01:06:14.400 --> 01:06:17.800
<v Speaker 3>whether it was a CI list or an FBI list.

1058
01:06:18.480 --> 01:06:22.719
<v Speaker 3>And you know, there's a lot of dialogue about, well,

1059
01:06:23.199 --> 01:06:26.400
<v Speaker 3>he wasn't on this list at the time of the assassination,

1060
01:06:27.039 --> 01:06:29.280
<v Speaker 3>and he should have been, because if he had been,

1061
01:06:29.800 --> 01:06:32.000
<v Speaker 3>he would have been pulled in for questioning and so

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01:06:32.039 --> 01:06:34.440
<v Speaker 3>and so this almost have been part of the conspiracy.

1063
01:06:35.119 --> 01:06:41.199
<v Speaker 3>And unfortunately that's resurfaced the whole point of of what

1064
01:06:41.239 --> 01:06:44.199
<v Speaker 3>we often call the watch list. So if anybody wants

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01:06:44.239 --> 01:06:46.679
<v Speaker 3>to take a look, what I've done is to go

1066
01:06:46.800 --> 01:06:49.599
<v Speaker 3>back and say, you know, let's take a look at

1067
01:06:49.639 --> 01:06:52.920
<v Speaker 3>what that really means. You know, we've seen some new documents.

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01:06:53.280 --> 01:06:56.679
<v Speaker 3>Let's look at them all all combined, see whose list

1069
01:06:56.719 --> 01:07:00.800
<v Speaker 3>he was on, and really challenged that issue, you know,

1070
01:07:01.000 --> 01:07:05.880
<v Speaker 3>was him not being on a male intercept list? Did

1071
01:07:05.920 --> 01:07:10.039
<v Speaker 3>that contribute somehow to the assassination? If he'd been on

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01:07:10.079 --> 01:07:14.400
<v Speaker 3>that list would have been picked up by the FBI. No,

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01:07:14.719 --> 01:07:17.480
<v Speaker 3>he would not have been. And the thing that emerges

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01:07:17.519 --> 01:07:20.800
<v Speaker 3>from all of that is that, yes, if Oswald had

1075
01:07:20.840 --> 01:07:25.719
<v Speaker 3>been considered a threat and been on a threat list, okay,

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01:07:26.719 --> 01:07:29.519
<v Speaker 3>he might well have been picked up and questioned. I mean,

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01:07:29.840 --> 01:07:35.239
<v Speaker 3>people that have expressed overt threats and made aggressive statements

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01:07:35.360 --> 01:07:39.119
<v Speaker 3>against the president of the United States can be picked

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01:07:39.199 --> 01:07:41.719
<v Speaker 3>up in questioned. Oswald had not done any of that,

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01:07:42.360 --> 01:07:44.599
<v Speaker 3>which is the reason he was not on those lists,

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01:07:44.639 --> 01:07:49.079
<v Speaker 3>which becomes a really interesting thing to consider. A trouble.

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01:07:49.840 --> 01:07:53.000
<v Speaker 3>An issue that the Warrant Commission faced is you know,

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01:07:53.400 --> 01:07:57.840
<v Speaker 3>none of these agencies had Oswald listed as a threat.

1084
01:07:58.320 --> 01:08:01.199
<v Speaker 3>Were they not doing their job? Were they not looking

1085
01:08:01.239 --> 01:08:03.360
<v Speaker 3>at him? The point is they were looking at him.

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01:08:03.760 --> 01:08:07.079
<v Speaker 3>You had agents from New Orleans to Dallas looking over

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01:08:07.119 --> 01:08:10.840
<v Speaker 3>all this little shoulder making pretext calls to the school

1088
01:08:10.880 --> 01:08:17.439
<v Speaker 3>book depository, visiting his wife. You know, they were watching him.

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01:08:18.159 --> 01:08:20.840
<v Speaker 3>They were, but they didn't see a threat, right and

1090
01:08:21.319 --> 01:08:23.439
<v Speaker 3>you know, the at best they saw him as a

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01:08:23.680 --> 01:08:27.000
<v Speaker 3>you know, is there is he having subversive contacts we

1092
01:08:27.079 --> 01:08:29.479
<v Speaker 3>might want to know about. But you can almost see

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01:08:29.479 --> 01:08:33.039
<v Speaker 3>why the Warrant Commission really didn't want to surface that issue. Right,

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01:08:33.119 --> 01:08:37.039
<v Speaker 3>because it would have been negative information. It's like, oh

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01:08:37.079 --> 01:08:43.720
<v Speaker 3>this this radical loan nut gun liking you know, you know,

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01:08:44.439 --> 01:08:48.039
<v Speaker 3>Oh no, he wasn't because yew all these people investigated

1097
01:08:48.079 --> 01:08:50.239
<v Speaker 3>him and they didn't see any of that beforehand. But

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01:08:50.479 --> 01:08:53.760
<v Speaker 3>oh we see it now. Wait a minute, yeah, going on.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a problem considering he was you know, there was

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01:08:57.079 --> 01:09:01.560
<v Speaker 2>a like basically a threat you know, attached to his

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01:09:01.720 --> 01:09:05.479
<v Speaker 2>name where an alert could have been sent out and

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01:09:05.560 --> 01:09:08.159
<v Speaker 2>would have been sent out had he crossed the right paths,

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01:09:08.760 --> 01:09:12.239
<v Speaker 2>and that list or that you know, alert that was

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01:09:12.239 --> 01:09:15.960
<v Speaker 2>connected to his name was dropped at a very curious time.

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01:09:16.199 --> 01:09:18.880
<v Speaker 3>Check what you'll see in my blog as I challenge that,

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01:09:19.119 --> 01:09:22.039
<v Speaker 3>oh you do, it was not He was never on

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01:09:22.239 --> 01:09:25.439
<v Speaker 3>any list. The only list that he was on and

1108
01:09:25.479 --> 01:09:27.960
<v Speaker 3>what was dropped is a list that would have said

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01:09:28.000 --> 01:09:34.359
<v Speaker 3>basically this, this person is under investigation because of possible

1110
01:09:34.479 --> 01:09:39.000
<v Speaker 3>subversive contacts, and so we flag this so if any

1111
01:09:39.079 --> 01:09:42.880
<v Speaker 3>of the offices come up with something about him, we

1112
01:09:43.039 --> 01:09:47.399
<v Speaker 3>circulated to all the offices. That's the only that's the

1113
01:09:47.760 --> 01:09:51.319
<v Speaker 3>that was the flag that was not there. Nothing would

1114
01:09:51.439 --> 01:09:54.760
<v Speaker 3>about him being a threat. My argument is that's been

1115
01:09:55.239 --> 01:09:59.159
<v Speaker 3>misunderstood over all these years because that had nothing to

1116
01:09:59.199 --> 01:10:01.560
<v Speaker 3>do with this being a threat. That had to do

1117
01:10:01.720 --> 01:10:06.840
<v Speaker 3>with him actually being an FBI source in New Orleans

1118
01:10:07.199 --> 01:10:10.640
<v Speaker 3>because at the time of the assassination, he had actually

1119
01:10:10.680 --> 01:10:15.680
<v Speaker 3>provided subversive information to the FBI and they were treating

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01:10:15.800 --> 01:10:19.520
<v Speaker 3>him as a subject of interest and that's why they

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01:10:19.560 --> 01:10:23.079
<v Speaker 3>were watching him. They weren't watching him for anything related

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01:10:23.119 --> 01:10:23.920
<v Speaker 3>to a threat.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, and Hosty is you know, because that was Newman's

1124
01:10:28.079 --> 01:10:33.439
<v Speaker 2>assertion years ago, and you know, it seemed to make

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01:10:33.520 --> 01:10:36.920
<v Speaker 2>sense to me. But the thing is, you have host

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01:10:37.000 --> 01:10:40.119
<v Speaker 2>He following him, and we're what you're saying is that

1127
01:10:40.159 --> 01:10:42.760
<v Speaker 2>we're interpreting that as you know, we got to keep

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01:10:42.800 --> 01:10:46.439
<v Speaker 2>an eye on him, but really it's more about maintaining contact.

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01:10:47.199 --> 01:10:50.479
<v Speaker 1>And I mean, you know, the guy had.

1130
01:10:50.399 --> 01:10:55.000
<v Speaker 2>Changed his opinion and explanation of what he was doing

1131
01:10:55.039 --> 01:10:58.760
<v Speaker 2>and everything else regarding that work over the years because

1132
01:10:58.760 --> 01:11:02.319
<v Speaker 2>he felt, you know, kind of burned by the whole

1133
01:11:02.319 --> 01:11:03.479
<v Speaker 2>thing host.

1134
01:11:03.439 --> 01:11:05.920
<v Speaker 3>Hosty did, and I talked to hev felt burned, but

1135
01:11:06.159 --> 01:11:09.119
<v Speaker 3>in honesty, and I include the links of the documents,

1136
01:11:09.520 --> 01:11:12.960
<v Speaker 3>he had not done what he should have done because

1137
01:11:13.520 --> 01:11:17.920
<v Speaker 3>New Orleans still had an active investigation going on of

1138
01:11:18.079 --> 01:11:24.439
<v Speaker 3>Highdell and this you know FPCC that investigation was still

1139
01:11:24.520 --> 01:11:28.479
<v Speaker 3>live at the time of the assassination, which meant Oswald

1140
01:11:28.520 --> 01:11:31.920
<v Speaker 3>was still live. That that's why if he had not

1141
01:11:32.000 --> 01:11:35.159
<v Speaker 3>been live, hosty would not have even been supposed to be.

1142
01:11:35.199 --> 01:11:39.720
<v Speaker 3>You know, you don't just go investigate American citizens if

1143
01:11:39.720 --> 01:11:43.760
<v Speaker 3>there's not some reason. I know that sounds like canaya

1144
01:11:43.800 --> 01:11:47.039
<v Speaker 3>you statement, But there was a reason to be monitoring

1145
01:11:47.039 --> 01:11:51.920
<v Speaker 3>what he was doing because he himself had voluntarily reported

1146
01:11:52.359 --> 01:11:58.279
<v Speaker 3>meeting with subversives on you know, the FPCC was on

1147
01:11:58.279 --> 01:12:01.359
<v Speaker 3>Hoover's list as a subversive organization.

1148
01:12:01.800 --> 01:12:04.720
<v Speaker 2>And suspicion based on the fact that he had recently

1149
01:12:04.800 --> 01:12:07.239
<v Speaker 2>lived in the Soviet Union might have also had something

1150
01:12:07.279 --> 01:12:07.720
<v Speaker 2>to do with it.

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01:12:07.840 --> 01:12:12.000
<v Speaker 3>No, I mean that was that's covered separately. That was

1152
01:12:12.560 --> 01:12:16.239
<v Speaker 3>the FBI handed that or that would have been the

1153
01:12:16.279 --> 01:12:21.800
<v Speaker 3>CIA's thing to hand it off to CIA domestic operations,

1154
01:12:21.880 --> 01:12:25.159
<v Speaker 3>which they did. The FBI would have done this, they

1155
01:12:25.159 --> 01:12:28.600
<v Speaker 3>would have been copied from the CIA and the FBI.

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<v Speaker 3>Absolutely what you're saying is correct. That's why they contacted

1157
01:12:33.359 --> 01:12:37.520
<v Speaker 3>Oswell and fort Worth and interviewed Oswell twice and put

1158
01:12:37.600 --> 01:12:40.079
<v Speaker 3>him on this put him on this list. They flagged

1159
01:12:40.119 --> 01:12:44.000
<v Speaker 3>him because their concern was that he might be make

1160
01:12:44.119 --> 01:12:49.319
<v Speaker 3>contact with communist organizations. Okay, because of the Soviet Union,

1161
01:12:49.600 --> 01:12:52.880
<v Speaker 3>they flagged both he and Marina. But after they checked

1162
01:12:52.960 --> 01:12:55.680
<v Speaker 3>him out over about ninety days and found no sign

1163
01:12:55.760 --> 01:12:59.039
<v Speaker 3>that he was attempting contact, they checked all their sources,

1164
01:12:59.199 --> 01:13:01.880
<v Speaker 3>they took the flag off, which is the way these

1165
01:13:01.920 --> 01:13:07.239
<v Speaker 3>things are supposed to supposed to work. Hosti's mistake was hasty,

1166
01:13:07.720 --> 01:13:11.399
<v Speaker 3>failed to fill out a form and check a box,

1167
01:13:12.000 --> 01:13:16.119
<v Speaker 3>which should have continued that flag. Hosty did make a mistake,

1168
01:13:16.720 --> 01:13:19.359
<v Speaker 3>like it or not, and not that he liked it.

1169
01:13:19.520 --> 01:13:22.039
<v Speaker 3>But that's really Hoover did have a gripe with his

1170
01:13:22.520 --> 01:13:26.439
<v Speaker 3>handling his work on. If you read Hosty's book, it's

1171
01:13:26.479 --> 01:13:31.119
<v Speaker 3>kind of like, oh, well, Oswald was just in Dallas

1172
01:13:31.199 --> 01:13:33.560
<v Speaker 3>and I just got there. You know his file from

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01:13:33.640 --> 01:13:37.239
<v Speaker 3>New Orleans. No, Jim, you've had that for weeks now,

1174
01:13:37.560 --> 01:13:41.039
<v Speaker 3>and you were making pretext calls, and don't lay that

1175
01:13:41.199 --> 01:13:45.119
<v Speaker 3>off that you had him under active investigation. And you

1176
01:13:45.319 --> 01:13:49.560
<v Speaker 3>even told a Secret Service agent on November twenty second

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01:13:49.960 --> 01:13:53.840
<v Speaker 3>that he was under active investigation as a subversive.

1178
01:13:53.960 --> 01:13:54.520
<v Speaker 1>Yes he did.

1179
01:13:55.840 --> 01:13:59.119
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so you got to parse out there. I think

1180
01:13:59.159 --> 01:14:03.720
<v Speaker 3>our real problem is if you parse these out separately,

1181
01:14:04.319 --> 01:14:06.439
<v Speaker 3>it begins to make a lot more sense as to

1182
01:14:06.479 --> 01:14:08.279
<v Speaker 3>who did what and who made what mistake.

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01:14:08.399 --> 01:14:11.399
<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, in the aftermath of the events, he did

1184
01:14:11.399 --> 01:14:15.319
<v Speaker 2>feel scapegoaded, and I can't say that he wasn't, but

1185
01:14:16.079 --> 01:14:17.479
<v Speaker 2>you know, yeah.

1186
01:14:17.359 --> 01:14:19.760
<v Speaker 3>I can't say that. But with Uber that was kind

1187
01:14:19.800 --> 01:14:22.880
<v Speaker 3>of that kind of went with the territory. But all

1188
01:14:22.920 --> 01:14:25.760
<v Speaker 3>I'm really countering here is that there are people once

1189
01:14:25.800 --> 01:14:30.720
<v Speaker 3>again making remarks that oh Oswell was a threat to

1190
01:14:30.760 --> 01:14:33.640
<v Speaker 3>the president, he was a known threat to the president,

1191
01:14:34.439 --> 01:14:38.000
<v Speaker 3>and somebody covered that up or he would have been

1192
01:14:38.039 --> 01:14:40.119
<v Speaker 3>picked up and the president would not have been killed.

1193
01:14:40.159 --> 01:14:42.279
<v Speaker 3>And that just that simply is not true.

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01:14:42.560 --> 01:14:45.159
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because that leans into the hole he must have

1195
01:14:45.239 --> 01:14:48.520
<v Speaker 2>done it issue too. That's the other part, which you know,

1196
01:14:48.680 --> 01:14:50.760
<v Speaker 2>I can't say I can concur with either.

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01:14:51.000 --> 01:14:53.000
<v Speaker 1>Anyway, Larry. But there will be a.

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01:14:52.960 --> 01:14:56.399
<v Speaker 2>Link to Larry's blog in the show notes, just so

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01:14:56.479 --> 01:15:00.279
<v Speaker 2>you know, as well as a link to the Oswald puzzle, because.

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01:15:00.079 --> 01:15:05.359
<v Speaker 1>Why not, you know, and maybe maybe a few other links.

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01:15:05.039 --> 01:15:07.720
<v Speaker 2>To Larry's work as well in the show notes, because

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01:15:07.720 --> 01:15:11.119
<v Speaker 2>there were the you know, relevant ones to this discussion obviously,

1203
01:15:12.279 --> 01:15:15.119
<v Speaker 2>But Larry, I really appreciate you, you know, coming in

1204
01:15:15.159 --> 01:15:18.079
<v Speaker 2>and clarifying this stuff and you know, helping us all

1205
01:15:18.159 --> 01:15:20.640
<v Speaker 2>kind of understand what's happening now, because again, it's not

1206
01:15:20.800 --> 01:15:23.159
<v Speaker 2>really the primary thing in the headlines at the moment,

1207
01:15:23.720 --> 01:15:27.960
<v Speaker 2>even for those that are interested parties. You know, it

1208
01:15:28.000 --> 01:15:31.760
<v Speaker 2>appears to sort of have gone to the back burner,

1209
01:15:31.840 --> 01:15:35.840
<v Speaker 2>if you will. But you know, there's still things going on,

1210
01:15:36.039 --> 01:15:39.119
<v Speaker 2>and you know, as you pointed out, there's still possibilities

1211
01:15:40.000 --> 01:15:42.520
<v Speaker 2>for things to occur in the future that might be

1212
01:15:42.560 --> 01:15:46.760
<v Speaker 2>different from the Oversight Committee alone. But we're gonna have

1213
01:15:46.800 --> 01:15:48.880
<v Speaker 2>to wait for the politics to shake out and the

1214
01:15:48.920 --> 01:15:53.600
<v Speaker 2>results of what is happening here to sort of you know, settle,

1215
01:15:53.720 --> 01:15:56.399
<v Speaker 2>if you will, before any of that might occur, or

1216
01:15:56.439 --> 01:15:59.560
<v Speaker 2>somebody might get alarmed enough to say, hey, we need

1217
01:15:59.560 --> 01:16:03.079
<v Speaker 2>a rein investigation of And then they got to be specific.

1218
01:16:03.159 --> 01:16:05.720
<v Speaker 2>They can't just put out a general you know, let's

1219
01:16:05.720 --> 01:16:08.359
<v Speaker 2>reinvestigate all this stuff. No, that's not going to work.

1220
01:16:08.960 --> 01:16:09.239
<v Speaker 1>Uh.

1221
01:16:09.279 --> 01:16:14.479
<v Speaker 2>There's gonna have to be a specific directive designed and

1222
01:16:13.600 --> 01:16:18.439
<v Speaker 2>uh and specific empowerment given to an existing agency or

1223
01:16:18.479 --> 01:16:21.359
<v Speaker 2>a creation of a new one in order to get

1224
01:16:21.399 --> 01:16:22.880
<v Speaker 2>the kind of results that a lot of people are

1225
01:16:22.920 --> 01:16:27.439
<v Speaker 2>imagining the Oversight Committee can generate. So with all that, Larry,

1226
01:16:27.439 --> 01:16:28.840
<v Speaker 2>anything else you want to add.

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01:16:29.760 --> 01:16:33.279
<v Speaker 3>I think Mike, you pretty well wrapped it up. It's funny.

1228
01:16:33.279 --> 01:16:37.000
<v Speaker 3>A few years ago people in politics or were talking

1229
01:16:37.000 --> 01:16:42.000
<v Speaker 3>about having laser like focus on issues. No boy, yeah right,

1230
01:16:42.039 --> 01:16:45.399
<v Speaker 3>you remember that, I do common common turmoil. We have

1231
01:16:45.520 --> 01:16:48.760
<v Speaker 3>to be laser focused on issues, and I think the

1232
01:16:48.800 --> 01:16:54.039
<v Speaker 3>whole somebody either defocused the laser or you know, we

1233
01:16:54.239 --> 01:16:57.680
<v Speaker 3>we we replaced that with hyperbole. You know, we we

1234
01:16:57.760 --> 01:17:01.159
<v Speaker 3>have no more focus focus at best. As for five

1235
01:17:01.199 --> 01:17:04.960
<v Speaker 3>minutes and one head, Well what I think the Vice

1236
01:17:05.039 --> 01:17:08.640
<v Speaker 3>President said, you know, these days, Watergate would have lasted

1237
01:17:08.680 --> 01:17:12.960
<v Speaker 3>five minutes now he thought that that was a good

1238
01:17:13.000 --> 01:17:17.079
<v Speaker 3>thing to SKay. That terrifies me because that means that

1239
01:17:17.199 --> 01:17:21.600
<v Speaker 3>everything has been so marginalized that any level of corruption

1240
01:17:21.760 --> 01:17:25.840
<v Speaker 3>or miscontact it doesn't matter. So I think that would

1241
01:17:25.840 --> 01:17:29.239
<v Speaker 3>be my summary. I'd like to see a little return

1242
01:17:29.319 --> 01:17:32.079
<v Speaker 3>to focus, laser like or not.

1243
01:17:32.800 --> 01:17:35.119
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it doesn't necessarily have to be a laser, but

1244
01:17:35.159 --> 01:17:37.560
<v Speaker 2>how about you know, we narrow the field a bit.

1245
01:17:37.640 --> 01:17:39.479
<v Speaker 1>That would be nice.

1246
01:17:39.720 --> 01:17:42.960
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, Watergate might only last five minutes nowadays, because

1247
01:17:43.560 --> 01:17:46.079
<v Speaker 2>it would be a hiccup compared to what you know

1248
01:17:46.560 --> 01:17:50.319
<v Speaker 2>is was has been recently, so you know, leave it there,

1249
01:17:50.560 --> 01:17:54.359
<v Speaker 2>I would say, and you know, judge for yourself what's

1250
01:17:54.399 --> 01:17:56.359
<v Speaker 2>going on, you the listener, not you, Larry, But of

1251
01:17:56.399 --> 01:17:59.239
<v Speaker 2>course you always do judge things for yourself. You are

1252
01:17:59.279 --> 01:18:02.720
<v Speaker 2>an independent thing and I appreciate that about you, because

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<v Speaker 2>you're not so easily swayed to other people's you know,

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<v Speaker 2>prescribed ideas and concepts. You actually examine the evidence and

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<v Speaker 2>the reality itself and put it into context and.

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<v Speaker 1>That often results in a book.

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<v Speaker 2>So again, I recommend all of Larry's books. I appreciate you,

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<v Speaker 2>Larry for doing this with me, and you guys for listening,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, as per usual, I'll just say, well before

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<v Speaker 2>I go, actually, you know, there are opportunities to contact

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<v Speaker 2>me lately to you know, to maybe get some materials

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<v Speaker 2>on the assassination that you're not going to find everywhere else.

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<v Speaker 1>And yeah, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just looking to get rid of these things because

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<v Speaker 2>I'm done doing that work.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just that simple.

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<v Speaker 2>It doesn't mean I won't discuss it doesn't mean I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not going to go over it with Larry as many

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<v Speaker 2>times as he allows me to, you know, because I

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<v Speaker 2>love to get you know, sober angles on these things

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<v Speaker 2>that I don't seem to be able to find independently

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<v Speaker 2>out there in any sort of media presentation, anybody else's writing, etc.

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<v Speaker 2>So we should all thank Larry for giving us the

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<v Speaker 2>privilege of his wisdom, insight, and authorship regarding just colating

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<v Speaker 2>this information, sometimes but often interpreting a great many complexities.

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<v Speaker 2>See I sort of like Larry's work for the same

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<v Speaker 2>reason I like Mike Swanson's work. He takes very complicated

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<v Speaker 2>things and makes them digestible. Mike has a way of

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<v Speaker 2>simplifying things so that even if you are not very sophisticated,

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<v Speaker 2>you can get it. From Swanson, he really does bring

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<v Speaker 2>it down to whatever level you need it to. Larry

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<v Speaker 2>does the same thing, but it's got a different style,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's more like the way a textbook should look

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<v Speaker 2>as opposed.

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<v Speaker 1>To the way they do look most of the time.

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<v Speaker 2>Anyways, that's the way it is, that's the way it was.

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<v Speaker 2>I am ocelly, and I hope that you guys are

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<v Speaker 2>the effect. And again look to the show notes and

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<v Speaker 2>read further with Larry Hancock's work, whether it be in

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<v Speaker 2>the blog, a book, or.

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<v Speaker 1>Even if you already have a book, take it off

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<v Speaker 1>the shelf.

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<v Speaker 2>Read it again because sometimes I go back over and stuff,

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<v Speaker 2>and I discover things I didn't realize. We're there the

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<v Speaker 2>first two times.

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<v Speaker 1>And Wall Wall Street Windows, Don con don com.

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<v Speaker 5>Michael Swanson, the brilliant author of The War State, gives

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<v Speaker 5>you the benefit of his knowledge.

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<v Speaker 6>Wall st Do.

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<v Speaker 4>Go there, now, go there, now, go there now.

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<v Speaker 7>The War State by Michael Swanson explains the great national

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<v Speaker 7>transformation that took place and put the Kennedy presidency in

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<v Speaker 7>the context of the Times, and reveals never before published

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<v Speaker 7>information about the Cuban missile crisis. President Kennedy would not

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<v Speaker 7>have been assassinated if he had been president two hundred

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<v Speaker 7>years ago. His assassination took place in the context of

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<v Speaker 7>the Cold War and the rise of the national security state.

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<v Speaker 7>Before World War II, the United States was a continental republic.

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<v Speaker 7>In the decade that followed, it became an imperial superpower.

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<v Speaker 7>Generals such as Curtis LeMay not only wanted to invade Cuba,

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<v Speaker 7>but knew that there were short range missiles on the

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<v Speaker 7>island aren't with nuclear warheads that they could not destroy

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<v Speaker 7>because they were on mobile launchers. Their invasion could have

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<v Speaker 7>led to a Third World War. And they wanted to

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<v Speaker 7>go to war anyway. The War State by Michael Swanson

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<v Speaker 7>reveals why and will show you what President Kennedy was

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<v Speaker 7>up against. For more information, the Warstate dot Com the.

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<v Speaker 1>Views expressed by Coler Stools.

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<v Speaker 2>There anyone else who happens to get on the air

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<v Speaker 2>of Jelly dot com who not necessarily reflect the views

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<v Speaker 2>of the Jelly dot Com or of chill And we

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<v Speaker 2>are not responsible for any stupidity which might have students

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<v Speaker 2>than you do.

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<v Speaker 6>You like history, real history that you were never taught

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<v Speaker 6>in schools. Why the Vietnam War, Nuclear Bombs, in nation

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<v Speaker 6>Building in Southeast Asia by author Mike swamp with new

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<v Speaker 6>documentation never seen before that'll open your eyes to events

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<v Speaker 6>that led up to this. Why the Vietnam War, Nuclear

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<v Speaker 6>Bombs and Nation Building in Southeast Asia nineteen forty five

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<v Speaker 6>through nineteen sixty one. Get your copy today at Amazon

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<v Speaker 6>dot com. Why the Vietnam War by author Mike.

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<v Speaker 4>Swantson in Denial. The Secret Wars with Air Strikes and

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<v Speaker 4>Tanks by Larry Hancock. Secret Wars became a staple of

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<v Speaker 4>US covert operations and are still happening today. Larry Hancock's

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<v Speaker 4>book in Denial rips the cover off many of them

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<v Speaker 4>using new files.

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<v Speaker 5>It exposes things about the Bay of Pigs that no

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<v Speaker 5>one has ever written about before. It shows why it

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<v Speaker 5>really failed and why the United States did not learn

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<v Speaker 5>from it. It also shows why other countries today are

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<v Speaker 5>doing secret operations with more success. This is the book

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<v Speaker 5>that puts what some want to deny into the light.

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<v Speaker 5>In Denial Secret wars with air strikes and tanks Larry Hancock.

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<v Speaker 5>For more information go to Larry hyphen Hancock dot com.

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<v Speaker 5>Pick up your copy of In Denial at Amazon dot

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<v Speaker 5>com in digital or physical form.

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<v Speaker 1>Pledge Allegians were a false flag of the.

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<v Speaker 8>Never United Manic State, a maclarrida reda orange margarita, one nasymbotea,

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<v Speaker 8>the anti gods and anything they would seem worthy of

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<v Speaker 8>ranting completely divided, explaining algorithms animized without the liberty.

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<v Speaker 1>Estate, freely, and justice.

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<v Speaker 8>Probably the elite that can afford the right, but no