Speaker 1: Made de San John have face sunny sun.
Speaker 2: Lord on I haddasion my night. So what's up everybody.
Speaker 3: I'm back, And thank you to Stephanie the Bitch is
back for holding down the fort while I was gone.
Speaker 1: I sure did.
Speaker 4: Thank you.
Speaker 1: I did you you missed? Did you listen to any
of the shows?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: Thank you for your honesty, my friend.
Speaker 2: Uh well, but I saw the great feedback on our
Facebook page.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah. We're having Meredith for the first week,
and then we had Meredith and her friend Maul's on
that Friday show. Then last week we had Robin oh oh,
Robin for the first show, and then my friend Tamera
for the second show. So funny because so she did
a Patreon for us. Yeah, and she will and she
told a story about Ryan Murphy, director, and then we
both talked about this guy from our kids who runs
speech and debate a little behind the scenes gossipy thing. Yeah.
But then afterwards she wrote me and she was like,
damn it, because I had asked her if she worked
with many problematic people, and she's like, I forgot to
tell you my Harvey Weinstein story, and I really, damn it. Well,
let's get her on I know, I said, well, you'll
be back. Yeah, come on, I think she should come
on with both of us, So yes, for sure.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, I would love to hear the Harvey
Wine scene. Wow, that's a juice, I know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm sorry I missed it.
Speaker 1: I don't think she's seen his penis, but you know,
yeah whoa but you never know, you never she has.
Speaker 3: Yeah, listen, any Harvey Weinstein story is a good story.
Speaker 1: Probably penis or no penis. Yeah, yeah, yeah, So I'm back. Yes,
So you were in Florida.
Speaker 2: I was in Florida for.
Speaker 3: About a week and a half and then well I'll
explain everything, but yeah, we were supposed to go to
Phoenix for a girl's trip with Wendy's girlfriends the last
half of the trip of Florida, okay, from like Thursday
to Sunday kind of thing, and then that got canceled.
So a lot of shit went down, oh like one
after another. Sor right, So what basically, Well, first of all,
I had to get on the six am flight right
out of lax to Florida. Have to take two flights
to get to where she is, but I took an
uber driver, and the Uber driver I planned him the
night before. I said, pick me up at three forty
five am, you know kind of thing. So his name
is Ricardo and he comes at three forty five, picks
me up, super great, nice, like very friendly. I was like,
I'll be out in two minutes. He's like, take your time.
Speaker 1: Did you go to sleep the night before?
Speaker 2: I went to sleep at like eleven.
Speaker 1: And then woke up at like three. Yeah, but then
slept on the plane. Okay.
Speaker 3: So he picks me up and we're talking and he's
full blooded Italian. Oh yeah, and it was a really
great conversation. I was ready to just listen to my
earbuds and not talk to him, but we started talking.
I'm like, where's your accent from? He sounded like my
mom and he's from Italy. And then by the end
of the trip I made him cry because he was
telling me that he just found out. He says, I
don't know why I'm telling you this is stuff, but
I found out the day before that my father's not
my real father. That I thought it was my real father,
but my mother she telling me that's not my real father.
So I do this twenty three and a me thing,
and I find that my real father, and anyway, I
connected with my real father and then he started like
tearing up and I was like, so when he got
out of the car, I was like, it's so nice
to meet you, Ricardo.
Speaker 1: I feel like like it.
Speaker 3: Was, you know, Kismet or something for us to meet today.
And he started crying and he gave me this big hug.
Speaker 1: Ah. Yeah, it was really sweet. And then you didn't
leave him a tip, right, No, but I did use
him to pick me up on the way back.
Speaker 3: Oh you did, yeah, he's uh, he gave me his
card because he does it on the side kind of thing.
So I was like, oh, come pick me up on
the way back. So anyway, okay, So I go to Florida. Well,
first of all, I get there and I'm laying out
in the sun. Okay, it's it's it was beautiful. Wendy
has a pool sitting outside. I look over after I've
been sitting in the chair for a while, there's a
there's a spider web underneath the chair, like on the
back side of the chair. Well, then the next day
I wake up with these like bites on my back
on my shoulder blade, in between my shoulder blade and
my spine. And I'm thinking there spider bites. And I
was like, look at these bites. I'm showing Wendy, and
there's like a cluster of them and two spots. So
and it was hurting really bad. It was like sting it.
And she was like you could see like the red
coming from it. And then she was like, we should
take you to urgent care or something, and I was like, no,
I'm fine. And but but after she put like the
bactine or whatever the spray bug spike, it like the
burningness went away after a while. Anyway, So after a
few days there was another cluster next to it, and
it was still hurting, and I was sleeping a lot,
unusually a lot, like I was really extra tired. I
thought it was just I'm on vacation and it's you know,
jet lag kind of thing. But I was really tired.
And then one day I was just vomiting all day. Yeah,
so I was like, and I didn't think it was
the bite thing, but then I'm just thinking, there's still
spider bites. Now a couple days later, I see another
cluster to the left of it, So now I'm like,
this is not spider bites. So then I was like, well,
maybe it's shingles. So I sent doctor Bruce a picture
of it, and he was like, yeah, I'm probably most
likely those are not shingles. So I never went to
the doctor spoil alert. So I'm not one hundred percent
positive if I had shingles. But it looks like I
got shingles.
Speaker 1: I know, you sent me the picture and then I
was googling it, and I am a doctor. Yeah I
can diagnose over the picture, but I compared it to
other pictures of shingles, just to be professional, you know,
and it sure looked like that. But I feel like
shingles every story I've heard it sounds god awful, right.
Speaker 4: Isn't it like really painful?
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what people said, And you said it wasn't.
I was like, what are you like? Non functional? I
remember the thing that I remember about shingles is that
David Letterman had shingles many years ago and was out
for like weeks and talked then came back and talked
about how it was just the most painful, horrible thing
he'd right.
Speaker 3: Through, right, But you were like, no, I'm pretty functional still. Yeah,
So that's why I'm not sure if it was shingles.
But now the way it's healing is looking like that.
The way that the shingles heal like, it's it's kind
of like flaky and like kind of like like dried
up kind of thing.
Speaker 2: It's hard to explain.
Speaker 3: But and it was painful and I was but but
it wasn't like I couldn't function painful. It was just
like located in that one area painful, okay, And then
I was like tired, and then I threw up. So
I don't know. I still don't know what it is.
But whatever it is, it's going away. It's gone, it's
almost gone.
Speaker 1: But it's crazy.
Speaker 3: And you know, Olga, I hear her in my head
is constantly like, Lynette, you need to go get your
shingle shot. You need to get your shingles vaccine. You
need to And I kept going, Okay, i'll do it,
I'll do it, I'll do it, and I never did it.
Speaker 1: I know I haven't done it either. Maybe maybe you should.
And now I'm gonna go get a measles vaccine too,
because I happened to be born in this weird spot.
Possibly you two. I'm not sure where we were given.
We weren't given the live really measles. Yeah, it's this
group where they came out with the vaccine, but then
we got like a dead vaccine, so it doesn't last
as long somehow. So I need a booster. I only
need one because I have been vaccinated for measles. But
so I need one shot and so does John. Where
it's like a.
Speaker 2: Did you did you talk to doctor knock Around about that?
Speaker 1: Is that? How you know? John called doctor knock Around's
office and asked, okay, yeah, okay, and he said, yeah,
just do one.
Speaker 2: Okay, do you have to go to him?
Speaker 1: No, you can just go to ces Okay, all right? Yeah. Yeah.
I didn't get a flu shot this year either, and
neither did John. I didn't neither. So far I didn't
get the flu, so I don't know if I need
a flu shot now. I'm usually on top of this stuff.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And I've had the the chicken pox twice my life. Oh,
when I was a kid, and then I got it
later as a young adult.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Now they vaccinate for chicken pox, right, But we
got the smallpox vaccine and then that's the one that left.
Speaker 3: That leaves a little mar I never got that scar.
I have so many friends that have that.
Speaker 2: I don't have that. That scar on the arm y, yeah.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't have it. I have it, Yeah marked you're
marked against smallpox. Yeah. Yeah, I'm very pro vaccine. I
don't know if you know that about me. Yeah, it's
pretty insane that people are literally going to have kids
who die from measles and be like, well, so be it. Yeah,
better than getting a vaccination. Ridiculous. So yeah, but yeah,
I'd rather not get measles, and I'd rather my kids
don't get measles. But that's just me. I'm crazy. I'm crazy.
I'm crazy with my parenting.
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, I don't know I need to get
I don't know now if I should get the shingles
vaccine or not. I don't know because I don't know
if I had it or not. And now even if
you had it, like if you get that that I don't.
Any Ways, that was the beginning of my trip.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So, and I've also heard shingles can last for
like weeks and weeks, but yours didn't.
Speaker 3: Right, Well, it's still I mean it's going away and
it's been now I'm going on the third week of it.
Of these things on my back Okay, whatever the hell
they are, so I don't know.
Speaker 1: I'll keep you guys posted. Okay, hey, before we get
back to your your trip, which I want to hear more,
and I also have another comment about something you said before.
But I do want to tell everybody our listeners that
I have a new podcast that I started, and it's
called Drunkish, and basically I get every time we talk
about addiction and you know, quitting drinking and all that stuff,
I always get a lot of private messages from people
saying that they want to quit drinking, and you know
that they really like hearing about that. And it's sort
of occurred to me at some point, especially when the
book came out Drunkish, that if I had a podcast
where so many many years ago, when I first quit drinking,
I talked about it incessantly on my blog and at
one point John was like, you gotta like stop. That's
all you write about now, and your whole audience is
just going to be people that you know, right, You're
going to tire your audience about hearing about your sobriety,
which you know, when you first get sober, it is
like joining a cult. You're like, that's your whole life,
and that's all you want to talk about, and you
can't believe anybody who have any other interests besides talking
about quitting drinking. So I made my blog once a
week have Don't Get Drunk Fridays. So every Friday I
had my story, we talked about it, and then I
started having guests guest stories. Ah. Nice. Yeah, And a
lot of people, even after they read Drunkish, were like,
I've been following you since you had Don't Get Drunk
Fridays on your blog. It was like a very cool thing.
And I would let other people it was written stories,
you know. So I was like, what if I did
a podcast about the other people's sobriety stories but also
kind of a conversation, you know, you know, I wanted
it to be kind of Mark Marin's style, kind of
what the fuck ish? So it's just a guest and
you know, I share that experience. So anyway, so I've
recorded I so far have seven episodes. Wow, so in
one week. If you're listening to this on Tuesday, my
podcast drops next Tuesday.
Speaker 2: Okay, it is up. You can subscribe to it. There's
a trailer and that I made really good.
Speaker 1: That I sent to Annette that and that I talked
about on Facebook, but I didn't talk about it on
our podcast yet. Go look up it's drunk Ish drunk
dash Ish. It's pretty easy to find that. Try there's
like three minutes and if you subscribe to it, then
in a week on April eighth, four episodes are going
to drop in your feed. Nice and one of them
is Greg Fitzsimmons. I know he's He was one of
my first guests. He was so good.
Speaker 2: I want to listen. I can't wait to listen to that.
Speaker 1: Also, my friend Suzanne whaere I who has a podcast
called The Sober Mom Life and it's a really good podcast.
And I did her podcast when the book came out
and she's really great. And then anymore, two more, and
then I have two more scheduled, and then I have
some coming up. This week. I'm gonna be supporting with
Bonnie McFarlane's husband Rich Voss. Uh yeah, yeah, And you
said you would do my body would do it? Yeah?
Talk about Miky the Viky absolutely yeah. So and Meredith,
our friend Meredith who did our podcast, she's been sober
for a couple of years.
Speaker 3: Huh.
Speaker 1: I forgot five years, No, two years, I.
Speaker 3: Don't remember, but she say like around COVID or something
she after or right after yes.
Speaker 1: Yes, So she talks about that and all different stories
and like not to just keep talking about this. It's interesting.
But my whole thing was like, not everybody does a
twelve step program, and you don't have to. So I
have a lot of stories about people that just like
Greg Fitzsimmons doesn't he didn't, he didn't, and no, and
different people do things different ways, and I want there
to be all kinds of different stories and no judgment.
Speaker 3: I love that because when people are people are interested
in getting sober and there, they might be scared of
the one you know, step way or the twelve step
way doing it.
Speaker 2: You know, it's nice. It's encouraging to.
Speaker 3: Hear other people's stories of success by doing in other
different and different ways and doing it in their own way.
Speaker 1: Also, sometimes it's just very helpful to hear what other
people's moment was where they were like, this is not
working for me. I think I have to quit altogether.
You know. I think it's important to not feel alone
and to go, oh, I'm not some freak that just
can't control myself. Other people have experienced this feeling, and
regardless of whether it's you know, with the with sugar,
with drugs, whether you get hooked on pain pills, like
the beginning of that where you start to go, uh oh,
what's happening. I used to be in control of this,
and now I'm starting to feel like I can't go
a day without drinking, or I can't go a day
without this, or you know, it starts to control you,
and it sometimes takes people a short time, and it
sometimes takes people a lifetime to just go, my god,
this isn't serving me anymore, and now how do I stop?
So I think hearing all different people's stories can be
helpful because maybe you feel like you're just terminally unique,
you know, until somebody talks on a podcast unfiltered, tells
the truth, and you go, oh my god, I've never
heard somebody say how I feel. So I do it.
I've gone to meetings, you know, That's how I did it.
But the main thing that I loved about meetings was
that I felt like nobody feels like I do. There's
no moms that are struggling with their drinking. It seems
so embarrassing to just go like, oh my god, I
can't stop drinking, and then to hear it was only
at meetings, right. It wasn't through my friends. I didn't
know other sober moms. It was through going to meetings
that I heard people share and say like, oh, this
is how I feel, and I'd be like, wow, yeah,
that's somebody else.
Speaker 2: That's why meetings work so well.
Speaker 1: I think that's what it is. Yea.
Speaker 4: So it's funny that your blog was called don't Drink
Fridays because for a while now I've been getting that
feeling of like drinking really isn't doing anything for me anymore,
and I think I want to stop. But the way
that it happens is like every Friday, I do my
pond work, so then I'm tired and I come home
and I go, I'm gonna have some drinks at night,
and that leads to Saturday drinking and then you know,
if it's football season, I'm gonna have some beers during football.
So it's kind of like a weekend thing. And it
was last Friday I was driving home from my pond
work like, oh, I'm gonna go get drinking. Like I
was like, you know what, I really don't want to.
I really don't want to, and so I'm kind of
exploring the idea of going with the sober life aside
from mushrooms, So might still do mushrooms? Interesting well, And
I just you feel so much better.
Speaker 1: It's like your.
Speaker 4: Whole head clears up, Like you can think better, you
have more energy, you wake up earlier. It's like it's
just it's so much better.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that these days, you don't A lot
of people are not waiting until they reach a quote
unquote like alcoholic bottom. You know, a lot of people
are sort of making the choice to go. I think
I just want to not drink. And it is true
that drinking sort of begets more drinking. And if you
have any sort of addictive tendencies and you're doing something
that is addictive and that is a feeling, like when
you drink, it lights up the reward center in your brain, right,
So in the moment you're feeling good, you're feeling what
you think of as better, and then there is a
rebound effect because alcohol is a depressant. But then you
become in this cycle, so it's hard to get out of.
Like I am totally experiencing it with sugar. You know,
it's the same thing as before I quit drinking. It's like,
I eat sugar, I don't feel good, but eating sugar
makes me want to eat more sugar, and I think
I like the feeling, but then I feel bad the
next day. But then I'm like, Okay, not going to
eat sugar today. I'm definitely not. And then by that
night I'm seeing, like I don't know, the kids are
eating some cookies or something, and I'm like, ah, fuck it,
I'll just have like I can have one cookie, and
it just fread cycle continues. Yeah, let's take a quick
break and we'll come back. Okay, we're back anyway.
Speaker 2: Yeah me though.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so every Tuesday, it drops every Tuesday.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was gonna do it on Fridays in honor
of don't get drunk Fridays. And I told Kaylin. He's like, well,
why are you dropping them on Fridays? And I was like,
Cuz I don't know. It seemed like a good day
to do it, and he's like, well, it's really not.
So I looked it up and sure enough, it's not
a good day to drop a podcast.
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 1: So I changed it to Tuesdays. That's good. Yeah, that's awesome.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I can't believe you have seven episodes out,
I mean seven episodes.
Speaker 1: In the seven episodes in the can. That's amazing scheduled.
I know. Well, it's been a long time coming. I
had to get I had to get rights to music,
I had to you know, do artworks. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it looks really good.
Speaker 1: Thank you. Yeah, yeah, I'm excited. But also I really
want to have guests. You know, it's funny not to
talk about this too much now for the podcast biz right,
So I did this woman's podcast, and I do I'm
not going to say who it is because I do
not want to like sound like I'm bad mouthing somebody
because it really isn't. But this woman who has a
podcast about sobriety okay, asked me to do her show,
and I was like, okay, sure, why not. It was
around the time that I guess the book was coming
out and she had a very popular YouTube show where
she interviewed people, not about like sobriety, but just you know,
interviewed celebrities. So she interviewed a lot of celebrities for
this sobriety podcast. Let's just call it the Sober Show. Okay.
I don't know why I'm trying to hide who it is,
but I just think it's interesting. So I was thinking, Okay,
so this girl had all these YouTube subscribers, and she's
you know, it's probably her podcast is probably like pretty big.
She's been doing episodes for a while. Now. Let me
just say when she booked me for the show, she
was like, it's on video. So like I did my makeup,
you know, and then it was like a whole thing.
She shot it at this like a location. Okay, she
had producers, there were stuff going on behind the scenes
while I was getting ready. It was like being on
a TV show, right, and somebody was like working on
her hair. It's just like it is around here. Yeah,
like super professed. Right. I was a little intimidated. I'm like, okay,
she's and then okay, So I went and looked it
up the other day. I'm like, well, I wonder how
this this is now, Like I don't know, I want
to say it's I did this like eight months ago
or something. So I put up a trailer and a
bunch of you guys who on from Facebook literally from Facebook,
went and reviewed, not reviewed, it, but you know rated it,
so it's already got like twenty ratings. I looked up
the Sober Show. It has sixteen ratings, like two reviews
from clearly her friends. A bunch of famous people have
done it. But it's not it's clearly not doing well.
My episode is not even up there. So here's the
thing this is. I say all of that to say this.
I don't think it's about like celebrities. I don't think
it's people respond necessarily to people's kind of tired stories.
I don't know that I need to hear I'm not.
I can't even remember who she had, but I spent
a bunch of time going like, oh my god, I've
got to get like famous people. I've got to get
to this person. I don't. I don't think that the
magic is in hearing famous people's stories. I think the
magic is in hearing good stories from regular people who
are willing to put themselves out there right obviously who
can broadcast. I don't want somebody who's like terrible at
telling their story. But you know what I mean, like
the people who have really changed things for me at meetings,
not famous, just like certain people speaking to me and
speaking from the heart. And so I've decided that because,
like I said, for a while, I was obsessing and
going like I need to get like celebrities, but I don't.
Speaker 3: I know, no, I don't think so I agree with
that now. I mean, are you going to be on YouTube?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's the way to go too.
Speaker 3: Like, you know, I just noticed, like take the Blake
Lively and just about donnything. I. You know, like I've
found all the these different podcasters now because they cover
the Baldoni thing, you know, And that's I think what
people do is they just look up a subject that
they're interested in, drinking Baldoni whatever makeup, I don't know,
and then you know, and then.
Speaker 1: Lively like drinking like Lively Baldoni.
Speaker 2: Right, and then people you know, and then they people
will find like their podcasters or their YouTubers that they
like to follow kind of thing, you know. I think
that's the way it goes now.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I just think in general, podcasts, you know, if
you're interested in a subject, h yeah, there's no limit
to how many podcasts you can listen to.
Speaker 2: Right of course. Yeah, I love it.
Speaker 1: I went back and was listening to Invisible Choir episodes,
which is like the better version of Sword and Scale. God, Lynnette,
my memory I was. I've probably listened to all the episodes,
probably three or four times, because I just go back
and I'm like, yeah, this seems vaguely familiar, but I haven't,
and it'll show when I last played it, and it
will be like a year ago. I'll be like, yeah,
I don't really remember it. I know.
Speaker 3: I'm doing that with Wendy. We're watching TV, and you know,
we're looking for things to watch at night, like documentaries
or whatever. I'm like, have you seen this documentary? And
then we'll start watching it and she'll go, oh, yeah,
I did see this, but I have no memory of
what happens, how it worked out, what anything.
Speaker 1: Say to me?
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like, I'll watch something and I don't remember six
months later, and then I feel like I finished it,
because you know, it'll keep going and it'll think that
you're finishing each episode after episode, right, It's like.
Speaker 1: Wait a minute, and I was asleep.
Speaker 2: I didn't sign off that I've done with that episode
that show.
Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, I feel like at some point Netflix
should have a thing in it that it kind of
can feel your breathing. So if your breathing gets really
slow and regular, it just stops and it goes are
you asleep? And if you don't answer, it goes, Okay,
they're asleep. Right, I'm gonna hold right here. Yeah, actually
go back. I'll go back to when we were last
registering breath noises.
Speaker 2: Right, that would be great.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And it can double as like a medical alert
bracelet in a way, like you know what I mean,
Like if you're if you're not breathing at all, replix.
It goes to the authorities, yes, cause nine one Yes,
Then you wake up Netflix and it can you know,
if it's an automated thing, you don't have to have
like live operators. It could just reach out. It could
just automatically go to nine one one and then.
Speaker 2: You know, and then get yeah, yeah, why not.
Speaker 1: I feel like we should trademark that idea though, for
Netflix and maybe get some venture capital money at least
you go pitch it to them, pitch it to some
vcs and just you know, hey, you heard it here.
So if we need proof that it was our idea first,
this is this is the proof. Yes, yeah, what do
you think, Kaylin? Is that a good idea.
Speaker 4: Yeah, fantastic.
Speaker 1: So Kaylin was telling me though, how hard it is
to launch a new podcast. What do you think that
What do you think that is?
Speaker 4: There's just so many podcasts out there, and yeah, you know,
it's it's kind of like, you know, if I go
to like a new restaurant and I go there and
they like, fuck up that first order that I get, like,
I'm not going back there, you know, like you like
really need to grab people on whatever, like their first
intro is to whatever your show is. I feel like
if you don't grab them immediately, then they go like, oh,
all right, well I tried, I'm not going back to
that one. And there's just so many podcasts out there.
The market is so oversaturated that building a podcast from
nothing when you don't you know, at least you have
an audience already. You have these people that listen to
this show. Right, I'm starting podcasts with people that have
no audiences, and it can be time and it's yeah,
it's so hard to build to the point where you're
just even making like a little bit of money is
very very difficult.
Speaker 1: I do think that having a platform is probably the
key to most things. I mean, I'm coaching people with writing,
and this is not this is my writing class is
separate from this, but I also do coaching for helping
people write their proposals. And my main thing that we
start with is like, who's your audience? No one is
buying your book. If you can't make an audience from scratch,
you have to have something. You have to have some
kind of social media following, some place where people follow
you to do your next thing. I agree with you.
I agree.
Speaker 4: There's so many different aspects of podcasting that go into it. Like,
you know, I've been doing podcasts for fourteen years, and
even before I started my dad's podcast, I didn't realize
how you know, INEPTI was. It's so many different things.
You know, there's the audio, there's the video. There's editing, audio,
post audio, video, editing, social media, marketing, algorithms, thumbnails like,
there's so many different things that go into these podcast
and a lot of people that have money and can
spend on podcasts, they have teams of like five, six, seven,
eight people doing all these things. So if you're one
person needing to do all these things, it's very, very
time consuming, and you need to be doing it every
single week because consistency is so important in podcasting. You
cannot take breaks, you cannot do that. So on top
of that, it's just it's so much work, and it's uh,
you know, when you're putting in all that work week
after week and you're not seeing the results that you want,
which you probably aren't, it's very disheartening. It's very easy
to go, you know what, I'm going to give up
on this now, when in reality you have to you
have to keep going. You know, you have to keep going.
You have to do it for years. Is what I
tell people who want to start a podcast, Like, if
you want to start a podcast, then you better be
doing it because you love doing it and not just
because you want to make money, and you better be
willing to put in the time and not give up
when you think like I should be giving up. A
lot of people it's like I think they call it
like the eight episode bump. Usually people I want to
start a podcast, they do it, They do about eight
episodes and then they go, eh, you know, I'm gonna
take this week off. That's when they start getting a
little live. Then I'm gonna I'm not seeing the I'm
gonna do And that's when it starts to go down.
Speaker 1: Hell right, we look at us. We've been doing this forever,
and we rarely take weeks off because that is true consistency.
Speaker 4: He takes two weeks off over Christmas, which everybody does,
and other than that, we podcast every week.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's consistency pretty much.
Speaker 3: I mean, I was in Florida and I was outside
of a restaurant and uh, this guy comes up to
me and he goes Lynette, and I go yeah, and
he goes, wife's a big fan loves your podcast.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Wow. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I was like, oh, thanks, And then he was like
and I'm a huge fan of your husbands.
Speaker 2: And I was like, wow, wow my husband. I have
a husband, my husband, I think you mean, yeah, my husband.
Speaker 1: Not as funny. Yeah, yeah, that was nice.
Speaker 4: Was that an actual phrase or did you just come
up with that? Okay? I was like, wow, that was
very clever.
Speaker 1: That's clever. I like that. I feel like, remember we
had that divorce Kate Anthony on our show. I think
I'm not saying she came up with it. I'm sure
somebody along the way somebody did.
Speaker 3: But yeah, podcasting, yea, you gotta be consistent. So many
people all the time, like I want to do it.
I'm sure you get it all the time too, right,
Like I want to do a podcast. We should do
a podcast together. I get that all the time. We
should do a podcast.
Speaker 1: Let it. We would be great together.
Speaker 2: It would be so funny together. I'm like, no, not, no,
that's not how it works.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I have Yeah, so many people, so
many should be a podcast. We should do a podcast.
Speaker 2: I'm like, I want to do a podcast. What if
I did a podcast with my friend?
Speaker 1: Would you help me?
Speaker 3: Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah. But yeah, you
gotta like you gotta be willing to put in tons
of hours and not get paid for a long time,
sometimes years.
Speaker 1: And there's so many things that I think people do wrong.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Well, the thing about podjects in there is it's so
easy to do it and to get into it. The
you know, all you need is a microphone and a
recorder and like an editing software and anybody can make
a podcast. And that's how everyone pretty much started out
way back when, you know, in the early twenty tens.
But now it's gotten to a point where just because
you can do it so easily, doesn't necessarily mean you
should be doing it. Like again, if you don't really
want to do it, and if you're not having fun
while you're doing it, then yeah, it's probably not for you.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, the audience building is really difficult. But what
I don't understand is and because I researched this to
do a sober podcast, I researched. I looked up all
the titles I would to make sure they weren't taken,
you know, the whole thing. I came across so many
podcasts where it was like the graphic were done, there
was a trailer and an episode and then never again.
What how do you? What the hell do you do
all the ramp up?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 1: You get your friend, you know, you do this thing together? Yeah,
probably brainstorm, you know, Oh we could do this and
this and this. And I was asking John about this
because I'm like, look at this. These people made an
episode that's like an hour and a half long, and
then Never Again and it came out like twenty twenty
three and then Never Again. And John was like, well,
maybe they got did their first episode and then they
got in a fight, right, you know, or it just
they were just like I'm not gonna work. I can't
relate a different person. Yeah yeah, but it's like, okay,
but now your podcast episode lives on the internet, like
take it down. Then, yeah, it's just so weird. It
is weird.
Speaker 4: I can see how people, you know, they go like, hey,
we should start a podcast, and you get really into
this idea and then you go, okay, let's do it,
and you put everything into it, and then you record
that and then they start realizing, oh, okay, I need
to do this much work. This is how much work
it goes into before the recording, recording it afterwards, and
then they put out ups and they go, you know what, maybe.
Speaker 1: And then they abandoned shit.
Speaker 4: I don't want to do it anymore.
Speaker 1: But after one episode, like.
Speaker 4: Normally after like like three or five or eight.
Speaker 1: But yeah, right right, you put out and then you're
putting it out and then you're like, oh, we're not
going to make a dime off of this, Like what's
the point? I get that, But one episode you've done
all the pre work to come up with your topic,
your title, your artwork. These people have graphics, right like,
and then you're just like, eh, just leave it and
abandon ship.
Speaker 3: And how about you just get the name, like, let
somebody else take the name, because you know, there's so
many people want the same name.
Speaker 1: Like, oh, somebody else is.
Speaker 2: Using it, but that person hasn't done anything with that
name for two years. Yes, give it back, put it
back into the universe so somebody else can have it.
Speaker 4: I know. Well, yeah, I mean in terms of like
social media handles and like websites, that is a thing.
But in terms of podcasts, like there can be four
podcasts with the same name, and if three of them
fizzled out very early, but the fourth one they've been
going for years and they have an audience, then the
search engine optimization will take that open. Like you don't
need to worry about the ones with the same names
that aren't kicking anymore, because.
Speaker 1: Like those other for Crying Out Loud show, Yes, yes,
remember when somebody came out with there for Crying Out Loud. Yeah, yeah,
And people were pointing it out to us and we're like,
I don't know, they had like a couple of episodes. Yeah,
but it was like so it was.
Speaker 4: So weird, right, Yeah, there's a lot of water coolers
out there.
Speaker 1: Oh, there are water coolers.
Speaker 2: But yours is the most popular.
Speaker 4: Uh huh, hell yeah, it is, damn right.
Speaker 1: It's so funny. But you don't necessarily if you look
up your show title and there's already four, right, think
of something else.
Speaker 4: You know, Well, again, you have to look see if
they're still going. If they're not going, and you plan
to be going for a long time and you really
love that title, you can do it. And if you
start building an audience and people start searching that name,
if you're the one that keeps putting podcasts out there
that people are clicking on, then again, the search engine
optimization will pick that up and it'll put yours first
and get rid of the other ones.
Speaker 1: I remember a long time ago, many years ago, this
girl hit me up to do her podcast about sobriety
and I was like, oh, okay. So I tried to
look it up and I couldn't find the podcast and
it was out like. It wasn't like she was saying, hey,
I'm starting a podcast, would you do an episode? No,
she was like, I'm doing this podcast that exists, and
I've had this person on it, and I've had this
person on it. She had Elizabeth Vargas on it. So
I was like, oh, Okay, well this is a reasonable podcast.
I can't find it, right. So I messaged her back
and I'm like, yeah, I'm not seeing your podcast on
Apple Podcasts, you know. She's like, oh, yeah, it's not
on Apple yet. So I was like, well, okay, then
you don't know what the fuck you're doing, because like
it should already be like she's got number.
Speaker 4: One place that you should be putting your podcast.
Speaker 1: Ninety five percent of our listeners come from Apple podcasts,
you know. I'm sure there are a few other are
obviously now and now Spotify's big Spotify wasn't even big
at the time.
Speaker 4: They're probably like, I think they're like equal at this point.
Speaker 1: At this point, yeah, yeah, but I'm just saying at
that point it wasn't. And then I did finally find
her podcast, and Elizabeth Vargas had done an episode which
you can get people to do your podcast, like people
like to tell their stories.
Speaker 2: That's true too.
Speaker 1: So far, everybody I've asked to do it was like great, yes, yeah,
when you know, yeah.
Speaker 4: But just having like one or two big celebrities do
your podcast does not mean that like maybe a lot
of people will go see that episode. But yeah, I've
learned that it doesn't really move the needle that much
to have like one big guest, right.
Speaker 1: Well, it's like when I listen to Mark Maron's podcast,
which I do from time to time, I'm much prefer
his way lesser known guests that I'm like, oh, this
this side character from a TV show that I've heard
has an interesting story, then like his big name guess,
because I'll tell you why. The bigger the name, the
less they're gonna share, the less unfiltered they're going to be.
You know, they're just not they have their already. They're
out there and they're gonna be careful and they're gonna
be curating their image, so you're not gonna hear the
real dirt exactly. Yeah. Yeah, all right, let's take a
let's take another break. Okay, So anyway I want to
hear the tell tell me more about your trip because
it was two weeks long. Okay, so why did you
not go on girl?
Speaker 3: So the Girl's trip we were supposed to do. We're
supposed to go to Phoenix with Wendy's girlfriends. So one morning,
like two days before we were supposed to go, Wendy
gets a call from one of the girls that was
planning the trip. Her father in law was being put
into hospice, so she wasn't going to be able to
make it, so they everybody just kind of canceled because
she was kind of the main one planning it.
Speaker 1: But that's safe. She was the go getter.
Speaker 3: But then that same day, Wendy got a call that
her kitty cat that she wanted to adopt in California
was going to be ready for adoption if she wanted it. Okay,
then she got the phone call that her sister, her
sister's husband, he's a cop and he in some in
the Midwest somewhere. He was at a house and they
were opening up a safe and the safe blew up
and the door hit him and he like his whole fate,
like he was all burned, his jaw, his nose broken,
his pelvis broken, lung punctured, like in the hospital. And
she has two kids with him, and so that happened.
So uh So anyway, it was like, Okay, so I
guess we're not going to Phoenix, but now we can
go to California. She can see her sister who lives
out here and you know, check in on her. And
then pick up this kiddy cat. Right, so we come
so we come to she couldn't find it.
Speaker 1: Like listen yet that I'm not super cat person, but
like it doesn't seem to California to get a cat.
Speaker 2: Because she has a good friend in Chicago that has
this this cat from this lady that breeds these cats.
Speaker 1: They're called rag.
Speaker 2: Doll cats, and she and Wendy loves this cat.
Speaker 3: And it's like, does it's not you know it's it's
it's hypo allergenic and all this, it's got good disposition
blah blah blah. Like she's very picky, and she really
she's been talking to this lady for over a year
about adopting a cat, and then she was looking at
all these pictures and then she found the cat she
really liked and fell in love with, and the cat
was coming up for adoption. So she was like, I
think this is I think it's meant to be for
me to come to California see my sister. And the
trip was canceled and now the cat is blah blah blah,
and I was like, yeah, come back with me to California.
So she flew back with me. So we drive out
to Barstow to go pick up this cat. On the
way to Barstow, she gets a text, so we're with Jackie,
my niece. She gets a text from her her cousin,
So Wendy's other sister husband Sal is having a heart
attack and being taken to the hospital.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, to Northiach hospital.
Speaker 2: So that happens. Then Natalia, she's in Cabo. She calls
me because her roommate before she left for Cabo was
really really sick and went home.
Speaker 3: Turns out she had the rotovirus. Now Natalia was like,
I'm fine, I'm fine, I'm fine.
Speaker 1: That's like a stomach thing. That's a stomach thing that
people get on cruise ships.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that she had. So Natalia was like, but Natalia
was like, I'm fine. The morning she leaves, she's not
feeling so great. So now she's in Cabo calling me going,
I'm really sick, mom throwing up, I'm diarrhea, blah blah blah.
Speaker 1: And she's in Cabo.
Speaker 3: Oh no, and I'm driving to Barstow fielding all these
phone calls like crazy. It would it was like anybody
else need to go to the hospital, Like what the
fuck is going on. I know, I know, but so anyway,
her brother in law got a couple of stints put
in his heart and he was like thirty percent airflow
was going, our blood flow was available, the rest was
all blockage. Anyway, he's okay, went home, stayed in the
hospital for a couple nights in his home. The brother
other brother in law that got blown up, is still
in the hospital and has a long road to recovery.
Natalia had the rotovirus in Mexico. She went to urgent care.
They gave her like some ivs and some stuff and
anti diarrhea stuff, and then she was like crappy for
the first two days. And then she had like two
days of her trip was okay. And then she came
back and and we picked up the rag doll cat
and he's been at my house ever since. And Phil
and they, the two of them are in love. Really,
it's the cutest thing.
Speaker 2: So now I might need to get a cat.
Speaker 1: I know, but use your pretty litter.
Speaker 2: Now I can use my exactly exactly.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, these two together are so cute. They
they just like hang out like Phil, you know, at
first the cat was like like hissed at him, but
now like the cat is intrigued by him, and every
time he sees Phil walk by, he wants to go
play with him, and he goes. It's just the cutest thing.
I'm never us I would like to go get another cat,
and she will never in a million years. Now She's like,
I'm in love with this kiddie cat. This is exactly
what I wanted. It's got the best personality. It really
does have a great personality. Because I'm not a cat person.
I never was, but now being around this cat, I'm
like in love and Phil's in love.
Speaker 1: Well, I think your sister is being selfish just calling
her your sister. I know she's your sister in law,
your ex sister in law, but still I.
Speaker 2: Think that she's spoke guarding that cat.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's not fair. I know you did a lot
of the work. You went to go you know you're hosting.
You went to go pick up the cat.
Speaker 3: Yes, I mean took her to pet Code to go
get all the you know things that the caid kitten needs. Yeah,
I did. I put in my work. So she's still
even researched the cat for So there.
Speaker 1: Were you in Florida for the whole two weeks or
you cut that short. No, we were there for I
was there, yeah, two weeks. And now she's been here
for a week.
Speaker 2: Been here, yes, since we got back.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 3: And then she was gonna go home over the weekend.
But then she's like, there's something wrong with the kitty
cat's ear, and I'm like, the cat's fine. The cat's fine,
you know, like you know, she's like, no, something he's
messing with his ear. And then she's like noticed that
it had crusted around its nose. And I'm like, eh,
the cat's fine, and she's like, no, I really want
to take him to the vet before we get on
a plane. So I took him to my vet and
sure enough, the cat's got a respiratory infection.
Speaker 1: Oh how does that happen? I don't know. I don't know.
Speaker 2: And he's fine, he's totally healthy.
Speaker 1: It's fine.
Speaker 2: He just needs eardrops and be on this medication for
like seven days. And she's waiting for the ear to
clear up. So she's going home, I think like a
couple of days from now. So she's just gonna put
the kitty in like a carrier. Yeah, she already bought
the carrier and everything. Yeah, but it's been so nice
having that cat at my house.
Speaker 1: Do people still put their dogs or cats in cargo?
I've always been That's.
Speaker 3: How I got Mollie when Wendy found Molly. Wendy was
the one that found Molly. Adopted Molly in Chicago for
my nieces and nephews, and they were young at the
time and they didn't take care of the dog. And
I was moving into this new house with Adam before
we had kids, and Wendy was like, this dog is
a yellow Lab, deserves the best family, and Adam and
I really wanted a yellow Lab, and so she brought
him to California, but she put him in cargo. He
was she was in cargo, and that's how she got
to us.
Speaker 1: How did they like, what if you're on a cross
country flight? Though, then the dog just is in a
crate for all those hours and then they let them.
Molly was in the crate.
Speaker 3: No, and she when she got to lax she had
shit all over her because she shipped in the crate,
probably because she was scared. But I didn't know Molly
at the time, like, yeah, bring her, I don't care
how you get her here, but yeah, bring her. Then
I get to then I love Molly, and I was like,
oh my god, it would never put Molly in the undercar,
in the in the plane with the luggage.
Speaker 1: Fuck that. Yeah, but they do have to do that
because you know, when they rescue dogs from places, they
have to fly them. Yeah, they put maybe they put
them in specially special flights for dogs where they actually care.
Yeah them. And yeah, I don't know, but I follow
so many freaking dog accounts too. Yeah, just because the algorithm,
you know, al knows what I like. So whenever I'm
on Facebook and I hit the reels, it's all like
it's either dogs being reunited with their owners after they
have it, you know, they got lost and now they're reunited.
I cry every day. I just scroll and tear up
and just go look at then. And sometimes sometimes you'll
see one though, and it'll be like, look what happened?
Like these they haven't seen their dog in a year.
The dog was lost and now it's back. And you're like, well,
it didn't really seem like they recognize the person that much,
you know, And then people start arguing in the comments
because you're yeah, because you're like, well, yeah, it wagged
its tail, but it also seems like it like people
wags your tail for anybody, like you come up to
her on the street, She's gonna ask you like you
know yeah, and you're like, it doesn't seem like this
dog fully recognizes these people. But then if somebody will
be in the comments going that didn't seem like a
big reaction, and then other people will be like, you
don't know dogs, like that is a big reaction, and
you're like, I kind.
Speaker 2: Of agree with that person, you know, yeah, but you know.
Speaker 1: You see the ones though, where the person sees the
dog and the dog just goes freaking crazy and like
jumping in their lap and spinning around in circles. Yeah,
so sweet. It is sweet.
Speaker 3: And sometimes I want to be greeted like that from Phil.
Sometimes Phil like I'll miss me, you know. But when
Sonny comes home. Phil loves to see Sonny. He gets
excited to see Sonny son He plays with him and stuff.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah yeah.
Speaker 2: But you feed him well yeah, walk him yeah, yeah,
I take care of it.
Speaker 1: Sonny used to walk him too.
Speaker 3: Sonny used to walk him, Sonny plays with him. I
don't know, they have like a little bond. Gets excited
to see Sonny Natalia. She'll walk in go fil and he'll.
Speaker 2: Just like lay there, you know, like flop his tail
on the ground, but doesn't lift his head up. He
just goes blump, plump, plump.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Peopo's just so old now like she used to.
I think about all the things that she did when
she was younger, like snarl at the mailman, and you know,
I think back fondly. She's deaf now, so she doesn't
know when the mail comes ever. But now she I've
told you this, but she barks at us. But that's
because she's sundowning and doesn't know what's going on. So
she start barking at us for no reason, really loud,
like louder barks than she used to do for the mailman.
She's just like alert barks like wow, and you're like, oh, okay,
we don't know what she wants. But other than that,
she doesn't She doesn't hear us come in, so if
we're all out, she doesn't come and greet us. Oh, oh,
it's sad. She just mostly sleeps.
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh sad.
Speaker 1: Well, I don't you know. It's not like I hate cats,
but I don't know. It's just not like the same.
I could see if I had a dog, that's not
like the cat.
Speaker 2: Right right, Well, that's how I always felt. Well, I
used to say, if best cat's a flat cat when
I was younger, well, because cats used to they freaked
me out. They scared me when I was a kid.
Speaker 1: Same.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they would cry in front of my bedroom window
and it sounded like a baby being murdered. And I
was always I was like seven years old, and I
was like, didn't know what it was for a while,
and then I don't know, I just did not the
cat that creeped me out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I used to sleep over when I was in
middle school. I had this best friend who lived across
the street from me, and they had like two or
three cats, I don't remember, and her cat would always
want to sleep on top of my head and I
hated it, uh huh. And every time I slept because
I think it knew I didn't like it. I don't
know which one it was, maybe both, but I would
wake up and there'd be like a cat on my face,
like maybe trying to kill me, right, trying to suffocate,
trying to take you out.
Speaker 2: Maybe trying to And then they do this thing where
they purr. They go and it's like.
Speaker 3: I just didn't But now I'm fine with cats, and
I really love this cat. I'm really getting and this
cat's not a weirdo. Like he'll come and he'll hang
out with you, and they'll hang out with the next
person on the couch and he comes and he just
sits with you, and then he wants to go play
with Phil and then he comes back like he's not
one of these weirdos that like, you know, doesn't want
to be touched and.
Speaker 2: Takes off in the renail. Right, not skittish right that way.
Speaker 1: Yeah, My sister in law was always a cat person,
but the cats would always be just under her bed
the whole time. I'm okay, what's the point. So then
you're buying them food and I guess cat toys, and
then but they never they don't want to ever talk
to anybody or socialize at all. Right, well what's the point.
And then she'd be like, well they come over when
they're when we're it's just us in the house, okay,
so then and do what like? And then what? Right?
But I think, well that's no fun. Yeah, I don't know.
What do you think? Kaylin? Are you a cat person.
Speaker 4: I was always more of a dog person. But then
my mom got two cats. I think they were rag
doll cats. I think she likes rag doll cats too.
And that's back when I was living in you know,
the house I grew up in, and uh, I was like, okay,
well whatever, these cats they're fine, but I'm not. And
but one of them we bonded the two of us,
so it kind of like became my cat. So then
she would always come into my room and lay on
my bed and then yeah, and then I kind of
fell in love with that cat. But then she moved
to England and took the cats with her, so that
I was a little sad about that, but yeah, I
did very much enjoy having that cat around when I did.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I don't know, we'll see.
Speaker 1: Okay, well listen, let's say hi to our friends. We
got Dick frolicking and Kelly, oh, letty not. Katie's still
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to Adam's Got a Car dot com. And Oscar has
the Queer Youth Resource Center. Okay, it's in Vancouver, Washington.
They've lost a lot of resources and they need our help.
Q y r C Vancouver, w A dot org. All right,
all right, of them all, DOCTE, thank you everybody. Thank you, Kaylin,
thank you. Your parents. Don't open up.
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