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<v Speaker 1>Coffee and Company, fueled by Thornton's on Sports Talk seven

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<v Speaker 1>nine day. Now here's Nick Coffee.

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<v Speaker 2>So tomorrow we're gonna find out the NFL schedule in totality,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's exciting. I mean, I know the NFL is king,

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<v Speaker 2>and we talked a lot yesterday about all the different

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<v Speaker 2>networks that you're gonna need in order to, uh to

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<v Speaker 2>watch every NFL game if you'd want to. And I'm

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<v Speaker 2>a sucker really more than anything. It's not like I'm

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<v Speaker 2>bragging log Oh, you know I've got I've got all

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<v Speaker 2>of it. I've got Peacock, I've got Hulu, I've got Amazon,

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<v Speaker 2>which I do.

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<v Speaker 3>But it's really just because I, at.

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<v Speaker 2>One point or another needed one of those I needed

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<v Speaker 2>all those services at one point because there was like

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<v Speaker 2>one show that I had to watch, so I signed

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<v Speaker 2>up and you know, just never went back to cancel it,

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<v Speaker 2>and I probably don't use it enough to justify the cost.

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<v Speaker 3>But again, I know I'm not alone.

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<v Speaker 2>In fact, there's businesses out there now that have that

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<v Speaker 2>have created this service to where they monitor that's they

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<v Speaker 2>monitor that stuff for you as far as you know,

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<v Speaker 2>knowing that you forgot to cancel a trial or knowing

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<v Speaker 2>that you know you're paying nine to ninety nine a

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<v Speaker 2>month for something that you just forget about and you

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<v Speaker 2>haven't used it in two years. Like knowing that there

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<v Speaker 2>are companies that have launched to help people with that

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<v Speaker 2>situation makes me feel better knowing I'm not alone, because

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<v Speaker 2>clearly if they see a market, then they know that

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<v Speaker 2>you know, there's a lot of people out there like me.

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<v Speaker 3>But anyways, ESPN they're going to have their.

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<v Speaker 2>Own new streaming app that is I think just going

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<v Speaker 2>to be called like yes, like they're not calling it

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<v Speaker 2>ESPN plus, it's not ESPN three, it's not watch ESPN.

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<v Speaker 3>It's ESPN's new and.

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<v Speaker 2>A loan streaming app that'll cost you. Have you seen

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<v Speaker 2>the price for this, Austin, I have not. I had

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<v Speaker 2>no clue that they were doing. I thought that they

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<v Speaker 2>already had apps.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so like I don't.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess they're gonna make it to where you can

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<v Speaker 2>have ESPN and access to it without having because like

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<v Speaker 2>right now, if I want to watch something on ESPN,

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<v Speaker 2>the way that I obtain the ability to watch ESPN

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<v Speaker 2>with with a subscription is.

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<v Speaker 3>That what I pay YouTube TV gets me ESPN.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, And if you have Hulu Live or if you

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<v Speaker 2>have Direct TV or Time Warn or whatever it may be, like,

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<v Speaker 2>you pay them and that gives you access to ESPN.

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<v Speaker 2>So when you go to ESPN's app on your Roku

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<v Speaker 2>or your Smart TV or whatever it is on your phone,

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<v Speaker 2>that's why it redirects you to that.

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<v Speaker 3>Login for your cable provider.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I guess now what ESPN's doing is they're going

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<v Speaker 2>to give you everything that ESPN has and you can

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<v Speaker 2>just get it directly from them.

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<v Speaker 3>You don't have to pay for you know, you don't

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<v Speaker 3>have to use your your TV subscription.

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<v Speaker 4>So let me guess it sounds they sound like they

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<v Speaker 4>would price gouge you a little bit. I'm gonna say,

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<v Speaker 4>fourteen dollars a month a month.

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<v Speaker 3>Double it twenty nine to ninety nine a month.

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<v Speaker 4>Goodness.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So ESPN's new streaming app, it's gonna launch this fall.

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<v Speaker 2>It's gonna cost you twenty nine to ninety nine a

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<v Speaker 2>month for an unlimited plan with all ESPN networks. But

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<v Speaker 2>you can also bundle with Disney Plus and Hulu oh

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<v Speaker 2>for thirty five ninety nine a month.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh what a steal?

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<v Speaker 2>And it says dropping to twenty nine ninety nine for

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<v Speaker 2>the first year if you sign up at launch, so

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<v Speaker 2>you can get it for twenty nine ninety nine a month,

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<v Speaker 2>which honestly that is for twenty nine to ninety nine

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<v Speaker 2>a month. I feel like that's not a bad price

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<v Speaker 2>if if it includes the Disney Plus and Hulu.

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<v Speaker 3>But Hulu with a what is Hulu with ads?

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<v Speaker 2>Meaning you get Hulu that's Hulu content, but there's commercials

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<v Speaker 2>built in, but it's not hululav TV right.

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<v Speaker 4>No, it's like if you're watching what's one of their shows,

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<v Speaker 4>like Cammaid's Tale, Yeah, then you get interrupted with that.

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<v Speaker 2>So you know, this this pricing strategy, I mean, it's

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<v Speaker 2>this is what ESPN's doing. They're pivoting to direct to

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<v Speaker 2>consumer service here that will you know, they're basically trying

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<v Speaker 2>to get away from having to get their product everybody

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<v Speaker 2>via a standard cable subscription. So you know, forty seven

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<v Speaker 2>thousand live events yearly is what ESPN has. But again

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<v Speaker 2>it's it's I mean, it's not a crazy amount when

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<v Speaker 2>you hear twenty like honestly, like, here's what I oftentimes

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<v Speaker 2>think of. But I mean it's just my way of

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<v Speaker 2>in my own It's not like when I hear that

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<v Speaker 2>they're gonna it's gonna cost me twenty nine to ninety

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<v Speaker 2>nine a month to watch anything on ESPN. You can

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<v Speaker 2>tell me that it's more expensive than any of the

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<v Speaker 2>other streaming platforms, which apparently it is. I mean, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>reading here that the twenty nine ninety nine a month

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<v Speaker 2>is the most extreming, the most expensive streaming app that

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<v Speaker 2>you could that you could technically get right now without

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<v Speaker 2>any kind of like big add ons, which that to

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<v Speaker 2>me that sounds cheap because I imagine there's some that

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<v Speaker 2>are more than that, but I don't know. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>let's be honest, if you look at the twenty nine

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<v Speaker 2>nine and nine a month, that's that's you know, for

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<v Speaker 2>you know, you add that up annually, that's not a

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<v Speaker 2>super cheap thing. But anyways, what I'm getting at is,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, if you told me it was fifty nine

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<v Speaker 2>to ninety nine a month, and I knew that I

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<v Speaker 2>had to pay that in order to watch the sports

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<v Speaker 2>that I really like, I mean, I would pay it,

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<v Speaker 2>not because I'm rolling in money or anything like that,

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<v Speaker 2>just because like it's such an important thing to me.

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<v Speaker 2>It really just depends on how much you like, if

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<v Speaker 2>you if you're somebody who's out here claiming that you

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<v Speaker 2>you can't justify and you're not going to pay for ESPN. Well, like,

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<v Speaker 2>let's see if there's ever a time wherever, like the

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<v Speaker 2>only way you could watch the sports that you like

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<v Speaker 2>is on ESPN. Like eventually, I mean, maybe you will

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<v Speaker 2>stick to your guns. But there's a lot of folks

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<v Speaker 2>that act like the streaming platforms and all the different

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<v Speaker 2>networks that have games. You know, it's it's it's it's

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<v Speaker 2>I'm mocking people in a way when I do this

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<v Speaker 2>because it is a little I mean, it's different now

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<v Speaker 2>than it used to be, right, Like you don't just

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<v Speaker 2>turn on your television with your remote and go to

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<v Speaker 2>the three stations that you know would have a game.

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<v Speaker 2>Now it's much more complex because there's a lot more

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<v Speaker 2>networks competing to get property here. Meaning when I say property,

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<v Speaker 2>you know they're buying the rights to air an NFL

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<v Speaker 2>game on a Thursday or a Sunday night, and you

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<v Speaker 2>know they pay a lot of money for that and

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<v Speaker 2>they monetize it. The NFL, the NBA, whoever, I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>the SEC network acc Like it's a business. They'd be

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<v Speaker 2>foolish not to try to get the best deal possible.

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<v Speaker 3>To where you know it's the most lucrative.

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<v Speaker 2>And if that means that people who want to watch

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<v Speaker 2>might have to jump through a hoop they didn't used

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<v Speaker 2>to have to jump through, I'm sure they're sleeping well

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<v Speaker 2>at night knowing that. So I think more than anything,

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<v Speaker 2>it's just to me all the complaining about how difficult

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<v Speaker 2>it is to watch sports now, it's just because it's

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<v Speaker 2>not what it used to be. I think claiming that

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<v Speaker 2>it's difficult and it's a it's it's a problem as

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<v Speaker 2>if like there's an issue and you need troubleshooting and

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<v Speaker 2>you need to talk to tech support, Like that's not

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<v Speaker 2>the case. I mean that can happen certainly, and I'm

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<v Speaker 2>sure there are issues. Yeah, we know there's hiccups, and

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<v Speaker 2>it's not been completely flawless by any means. But you

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<v Speaker 2>needing to go to a smart TV and download an app,

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<v Speaker 2>whether it be you Roku that's connected to your smart

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<v Speaker 2>TV or it's your smart TV itself, that's that's nobody

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<v Speaker 2>see like anybody making these decisions, they don't see that

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<v Speaker 2>as an issue. That's just how you're gonna get their product.

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<v Speaker 2>But yet there's this, there's there's noise out there, and

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<v Speaker 2>there has been for years that it's just too hard,

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<v Speaker 2>itch to just too complicated. It's not there's a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit more to it, yes, but it I think the

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<v Speaker 2>root of all the uproar is just because it's not

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<v Speaker 2>what it used to be for fifty sixty years, when

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<v Speaker 2>you could just literally turn on your TV and there

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<v Speaker 2>it was. Now you've got to do something that might

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<v Speaker 2>take you five to ten seconds to get to and

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<v Speaker 2>you know, if that alone, along with you know, the

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<v Speaker 2>added price, keeps you from watching sports, then you know,

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<v Speaker 2>do whatever the hell you want. You know, you're entitled

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<v Speaker 2>to do whatever you want. But I just think a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of people are lying when they're like, oh, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not paying for that, because I just think sports

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<v Speaker 2>is a bit is a big enough priority to enough

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<v Speaker 2>people to where you know, they could probably justify the

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<v Speaker 2>expense and they'll do it. They may not like it,

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<v Speaker 2>but I don't know. Like the ESPN announcement today has

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<v Speaker 2>led to a lot of people acting as if they're

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<v Speaker 2>in the you know, not only are they in the wrong,

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<v Speaker 2>but they're going to learn the hard way that people

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<v Speaker 2>aren't willing to pay this and their price point is

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<v Speaker 2>too expensive.

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<v Speaker 3>Maybe maybe maybe.

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<v Speaker 2>They will learn it the hard way, But I don't

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<v Speaker 2>necessarily I mean, I don't, I don't necessarily see that

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<v Speaker 2>as I mean, just you know how many people The

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<v Speaker 2>reason that these networ Right Peacock, Amazon Prime, Netflix, I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>Apple TV is even broadcasting live games too. Like, the

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<v Speaker 2>reason that they're paying an insane amount of money in

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<v Speaker 2>order to have exclusive rights to broadcast something is so

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<v Speaker 2>they can then monetize it and make an insane amount

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<v Speaker 2>of money. Because an insane amount of people watch sports

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<v Speaker 2>and love it. It's the and it's the only real

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<v Speaker 2>thing you have in live television anymore. I mean, I

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<v Speaker 2>know there's a live TV on all day, but when

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<v Speaker 2>you consider the most watched things that are live on television,

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<v Speaker 2>whether it be you're watching it on your TV with

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<v Speaker 2>cable or you're watching it on TV with the streaming

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<v Speaker 2>app like YouTube TV or whatever, the vast majority of

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<v Speaker 2>those nearly all of them. In fact, every year it's

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<v Speaker 2>a live sporting event because nothing else do you really

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<v Speaker 2>have to watch live now to enjoy it. There's the

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<v Speaker 2>occasional show that, like, is such a popular show that

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<v Speaker 2>there's so many people talking about it that you feel

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<v Speaker 2>like if you don't watch it live, you're going to

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<v Speaker 2>get a spoiler or something like that. But like presidential debates,

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<v Speaker 2>that kind of stuff. I guess there are some award

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<v Speaker 2>shows that occasionally will will crack the top one hundred.

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<v Speaker 2>But when you can guarantee essentially that this many millions

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<v Speaker 2>of people will be watching live on this network, advertisers

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<v Speaker 2>will pay a lot of money to reach those people.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, I just think if you're somebody that's

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<v Speaker 2>gonna that's gonna truly say yeah, I'm out.

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<v Speaker 3>This is just gets just caught. It's just it's just

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<v Speaker 3>cost too.

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<v Speaker 2>Much money now to watch sports on all these different platforms.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just gonna not do it anymore. Well, I think

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<v Speaker 2>watch on all these different apps that's not sports related, right,

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<v Speaker 2>Well we're going to give them that at twenty nine

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<v Speaker 2>YouTube TV, they don't need Spectrum TV, they don't need

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<v Speaker 2>the apps and you know, get everything you need. Now again,

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<v Speaker 2>is the price when it's all added up? Are you

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<v Speaker 2>on the other side. Mark Pope, he talked to the

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<v Speaker 2>media today in Lexington. Was asked about the Louisville, Kentucky

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<v Speaker 2>basketball game taking place in November. We'll let you hear

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<v Speaker 2>what he had to say, but I'm not gonna mislead

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<v Speaker 2>you as if this is something substantial. But it just

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<v Speaker 2>reminded me that as much as we want there to

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<v Speaker 2>be some real animosity between the two coaches here because

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<v Speaker 2>this is the biggest and best rivalry in college basketball

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<v Speaker 2>in my opinion, clearly I'm biased, but we all know

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit, it would feel good if there was

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<v Speaker 2>But I just think it happened to play out to

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<v Speaker 2>I anything can can change, but like, I don't foresee

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<v Speaker 2>anything changing to where they're going to end up, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>at each other's necks like we are.

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<v Speaker 3>And that's okay.

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<v Speaker 2>The rivalry can still be great, but we were really

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<v Speaker 2>spoiled and we didn't know it. When it comes to

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<v Speaker 2>just how contentious it was between Patino and Cawboll, We're

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<v Speaker 2>never getting that again, all right, Keiva locked right here,

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<v Speaker 2>It's coffee and company. Phil about Thornton's on Sports Talk

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<v Speaker 2>seven ninety.

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<v Speaker 1>Now back to coffee and Company fueled by Thornton's on

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<v Speaker 1>Sports Talk seven nine day.

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<v Speaker 2>So as you could expect, we talked a little bit

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<v Speaker 2>about the Dallas Mavericks being the winner of last night's

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<v Speaker 2>There's a lottery story I want to talk about because

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<v Speaker 2>it's got to be one of these things that we'll

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<v Speaker 2>eventually see in some type of like a Netflix documentary.

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<v Speaker 2>But anyways, the Mavericks, they've got some good pieces, some

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<v Speaker 2>big names, but after trading Luca, all the pieces are

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<v Speaker 2>The perfect piece would be a young, potential superstar who

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<v Speaker 2>that wouldn't even like. If Cooper Flag is close to

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<v Speaker 2>what they claim he will be based off potential, he'll

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<v Speaker 2>be much bigger than just a superstar. He may be

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<v Speaker 2>one of the best that's ever played the game. That's

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<v Speaker 2>the kind of hype this guy has. So after losing

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<v Speaker 2>Luca and you know, trading him away to get an

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<v Speaker 2>Klay Thompson who's older, and Kyrie Irving who's older. I

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<v Speaker 2>mean the way in which you could get some more

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<v Speaker 2>life out of these guys if the franchise is essentially

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<v Speaker 2>Kyrie Clay and even Ad maybe can stick around and

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<v Speaker 2>to their NBA career. During that conversation, I was thinking

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<v Speaker 2>about the average age of an NBA player, just because

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like, if you're thirty two, you know you're

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<v Speaker 2>you're old in the NBA. You're not old in life.

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<v Speaker 2>In fact, I would hope not, because you know, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>thirty two. So thanks to somebody who sent this in.

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<v Speaker 2>The average age in the NBA is let's see, they

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<v Speaker 2>have it broke down by position. So the average age

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<v Speaker 2>for guards in the NBA twenty five point seven. The

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<v Speaker 2>average age for forwards is twenty five point nine. The

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<v Speaker 2>average age for big guys centers is twenty seven point one,

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<v Speaker 2>so you know, roughly the average age. Yeah, it says

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<v Speaker 2>you're The average age going into this season in the

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<v Speaker 2>NBA was twenty six years old. So I'd say if

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<v Speaker 2>you're if the average is twenty six and you're thirty two,

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<v Speaker 2>you're old in the NBA. I mean, I think gets

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<v Speaker 2>if you're six years older than the average age and

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<v Speaker 2>you know, the average you know, the overall age range

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<v Speaker 2>of an NBA player is what eighteen to Lebron, who's

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<v Speaker 2>got to be the oldest player in the NBA. Which

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like if he was the oldest player in

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<v Speaker 2>the NBA, like it would be something that people would

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<v Speaker 2>say because it would just be an added thing, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>to his to his legacy well before he retired.

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<v Speaker 4>Wasn't like you Donnis Haslam, like the oldest player loves around.

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<v Speaker 2>The Lebron is the oldest player in the NBA right now. Wow,

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<v Speaker 2>the oldest player is Lebron who was born December thirtieth,

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen eighty four. He'll be forty one this December. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>outside of outside of that, I mean, yeah, so he

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<v Speaker 2>is just a little bit older than Chris Paul. Here

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<v Speaker 2>are your five oldest players.

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<v Speaker 3>In the NBA.

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<v Speaker 2>This is crazy to me because this this makes me

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<v Speaker 2>feel old. Lebron is the oldest, Chris Paul's the second oldest,

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<v Speaker 2>ky Kyle Lowry is the third oldest.

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<v Speaker 3>PJ.

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<v Speaker 2>Tucker is the fourth oldest. Mike Conley is the fifth oldest.

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<v Speaker 2>Like I played against Mike Conley.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh oh yeah, I didn't know that. Yeah, And well

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<v Speaker 3>him and.

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<v Speaker 2>He was from Indy and they had a special special

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<v Speaker 2>team that that you know, him and him and Greg

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<v Speaker 2>you know, they were they were the the stars of

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<v Speaker 2>of the class that I was in. And you know,

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<v Speaker 2>there was a couple of tournaments we played in where

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<v Speaker 2>their team was there, and you know.

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<v Speaker 3>It was it was what I expected.

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<v Speaker 2>It was like when Lebron was coming up, if that

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<v Speaker 2>makes sense, just because I mean Odin more than than

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<v Speaker 2>than Conley.

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<v Speaker 3>But both were elite recruits.

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<v Speaker 2>But KD is the sixth oldest oldest, Jeff Green is

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<v Speaker 2>the seventh oldest. Wow Al Horford is the eighth oldest,

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<v Speaker 2>Thady Is Young is the ninth oldest, and then Nicholas

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<v Speaker 2>Bettom is the tenth oldest. So those are your oldest

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<v Speaker 2>players in the NBA, which again makes me feel very

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<v Speaker 2>old because you know, I mean Jeff Green, I would

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<v Speaker 2>have for some reason I thought Jeff Green was a

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<v Speaker 2>that he's still the seventh oldest player, in the NBA.

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<v Speaker 3>So went the Yukon right, Jeff Green? Yeah close, Big

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<v Speaker 3>East but Georgetown, Georgetown. Okay, he was on those teams

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<v Speaker 3>at Georgetown. Remember Louisville playing Oh yeah, Roy Hibbert.

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<v Speaker 2>Remember Roy Hibbert and Jeff Green. You know those were

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<v Speaker 2>the old Big East days.

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<v Speaker 3>All right, it's coffee and company. Feel abouth.

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<v Speaker 2>Thorton's here on Sports Talk seven ninety. Appreciate you guys

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<v Speaker 2>hanging out with us here on a Tuesday afternoon. So

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<v Speaker 2>earlier today, Mark Pope had what I believe is his

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<v Speaker 2>first press conference since the season came to an end. Uh,

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<v Speaker 2>and he was asked a lot of things as you

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<v Speaker 2>could expect, about his roster, about the portal, about players

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<v Speaker 2>that transferred out, that kind of stuff, and uh. He

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<v Speaker 2>was asked about the Louisville Kentucky game, which we learned

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<v Speaker 2>a week ago is going to be played on November eleventh,

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<v Speaker 2>much earlier than what we're used to.

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<v Speaker 3>And you know, it'll be weird the lead up, but

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<v Speaker 3>we'll get used to it.

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<v Speaker 2>And when the game happens, we'll meaning when it tips off,

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<v Speaker 2>I think we won't know what planet we're on, or

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<v Speaker 2>what day of the what what day of the week,

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<v Speaker 2>or what month we're actually in, because you know, that's

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<v Speaker 2>what the game can do to us, because we just

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<v Speaker 2>you know, it's that big of a deal, but it

424
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<v Speaker 2>is weird, and just knowing they're playing before the football

425
00:21:14.920 --> 00:21:17.519
<v Speaker 2>game is just what really, of all things, that's just one. Okay,

426
00:21:17.519 --> 00:21:20.920
<v Speaker 2>this doesn't seem right, but anyways, here's what Mark Pope

427
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<v Speaker 2>had to say.

428
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<v Speaker 5>Here we go, we increasingly complicated, and so I think

429
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<v Speaker 5>it was I think it was I think it was

430
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<v Speaker 5>what what worked out best is there? I heard there

431
00:21:32.359 --> 00:21:35.440
<v Speaker 5>might be a push people wanted that in December. Is

432
00:21:35.480 --> 00:21:41.519
<v Speaker 5>that true? So blame Louisville for that? Okay, I actually

433
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<v Speaker 5>I actually don't know how we got to the date.

434
00:21:43.640 --> 00:21:45.839
<v Speaker 5>You know, there's more important people are dealing with those

435
00:21:45.920 --> 00:21:48.839
<v Speaker 5>those issues than me. But but I'm sure it's Louisville's fault.

436
00:21:49.000 --> 00:21:58.319
<v Speaker 2>I said, So, I mean, take of that whatever you want.

437
00:21:58.400 --> 00:21:59.079
<v Speaker 3>I mean.

438
00:22:03.240 --> 00:22:06.799
<v Speaker 2>Seeing him say it and then hearing the you know,

439
00:22:06.880 --> 00:22:10.720
<v Speaker 2>the audio like he's clearly making a joke. And I'm

440
00:22:10.759 --> 00:22:13.519
<v Speaker 2>sure he wants to beat Louisville more than he does

441
00:22:13.559 --> 00:22:15.599
<v Speaker 2>a lot of teams on their schedule because obviously it's

442
00:22:15.640 --> 00:22:18.680
<v Speaker 2>a rival. He understands what it is. But the two here,

443
00:22:19.000 --> 00:22:22.839
<v Speaker 2>meaning Pat Kelcey and Mark Pope to see the reaction.

444
00:22:22.920 --> 00:22:26.759
<v Speaker 2>There's a couple of I guess guys who cover UK

445
00:22:26.839 --> 00:22:29.759
<v Speaker 2>that are at the press conference that understandably so they didn't.

446
00:22:29.759 --> 00:22:31.960
<v Speaker 2>They didn't they weren't streaming it live or maybe if

447
00:22:31.960 --> 00:22:34.319
<v Speaker 2>they were, they you know, they didn't have the the

448
00:22:34.319 --> 00:22:36.880
<v Speaker 2>thirty second clip that gave us that they were just

449
00:22:36.920 --> 00:22:40.920
<v Speaker 2>sharing what it was that he said. And I don't know,

450
00:22:40.920 --> 00:22:42.759
<v Speaker 2>I'll give maybe some of these guys.

451
00:22:42.440 --> 00:22:44.400
<v Speaker 3>The benefit of the doubt. They were just quite literally

452
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<v Speaker 3>sharing what was.

453
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<v Speaker 2>Said and they didn't they didn't include context because they

454
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<v Speaker 2>couldn't write, or maybe some people were trying to, you know,

455
00:22:54.720 --> 00:22:57.680
<v Speaker 2>make it appear that Mark Pope was out there, you know,

456
00:22:57.759 --> 00:23:01.920
<v Speaker 2>saying he wanted the game in December and Loville it's

457
00:23:01.920 --> 00:23:03.960
<v Speaker 2>at their place this year, so that's why they moved

458
00:23:03.960 --> 00:23:06.960
<v Speaker 2>it there. But like, let's not force it. Like nothing

459
00:23:07.200 --> 00:23:09.759
<v Speaker 2>irks me more than whenever they're because it doesn't take

460
00:23:09.880 --> 00:23:12.920
<v Speaker 2>much for there to be like a jab. Right, it's

461
00:23:12.920 --> 00:23:16.279
<v Speaker 2>a rivalry. It's very contentious. It's a big deal, especially

462
00:23:16.319 --> 00:23:18.759
<v Speaker 2>in the Louisville area. Because there's so many fans on

463
00:23:18.839 --> 00:23:21.799
<v Speaker 2>both sides, But like, let's not force it. And I

464
00:23:21.839 --> 00:23:26.319
<v Speaker 2>think anything at this point between these two that is

465
00:23:26.400 --> 00:23:32.960
<v Speaker 2>being positioned as rivalry, banter or animosity anything like it,

466
00:23:33.680 --> 00:23:36.200
<v Speaker 2>it's a force because I think the truth is both

467
00:23:36.240 --> 00:23:39.640
<v Speaker 2>guys genuinely like each other and both guys genuinely respect

468
00:23:39.680 --> 00:23:42.119
<v Speaker 2>each other as coaches. And you know, it didn't play

469
00:23:42.119 --> 00:23:45.880
<v Speaker 2>out as much last year visibly because of the injuries

470
00:23:45.880 --> 00:23:49.480
<v Speaker 2>to both teams, actually Louisville more so early on, but

471
00:23:49.559 --> 00:23:52.200
<v Speaker 2>Kentucky obviously had some injuries that that really hurt them

472
00:23:52.240 --> 00:23:52.920
<v Speaker 2>throughout the year.

473
00:23:53.680 --> 00:23:54.519
<v Speaker 3>But like they.

474
00:23:54.359 --> 00:23:57.200
<v Speaker 2>Actually play, they like to do a lot of the

475
00:23:57.240 --> 00:24:00.519
<v Speaker 2>same stuff they really do. Like that may make you

476
00:24:00.559 --> 00:24:03.400
<v Speaker 2>feel weird. They want to play like one another. Not

477
00:24:03.519 --> 00:24:05.480
<v Speaker 2>that Pope's going to practice saying he wants to be

478
00:24:05.559 --> 00:24:08.440
<v Speaker 2>like Pat Kelcey as far as style or vice versa.

479
00:24:08.880 --> 00:24:12.599
<v Speaker 3>But they both are in the world of.

480
00:24:14.000 --> 00:24:18.480
<v Speaker 2>Fast a lot of possessions in rhythm threes. We don't

481
00:24:18.559 --> 00:24:22.720
<v Speaker 2>care if we shoot way more threes per game than

482
00:24:22.759 --> 00:24:24.839
<v Speaker 2>we do any other shot. If it's a good look

483
00:24:24.839 --> 00:24:26.759
<v Speaker 2>and it's in rhythm, that's what we want. Like they

484
00:24:26.839 --> 00:24:31.200
<v Speaker 2>are very similar in that aspect. I think Pope, from

485
00:24:31.279 --> 00:24:34.880
<v Speaker 2>what I gather, is a little more analytically driven, but

486
00:24:34.960 --> 00:24:37.640
<v Speaker 2>both rely a lot on analytics, the new world of

487
00:24:38.480 --> 00:24:41.640
<v Speaker 2>we want layups, free throws or three point shots. Like

488
00:24:41.720 --> 00:24:44.160
<v Speaker 2>these two guys are cut from that cloth. And they

489
00:24:44.160 --> 00:24:47.599
<v Speaker 2>don't have any history as far as you know, coaching together,

490
00:24:47.680 --> 00:24:49.200
<v Speaker 2>or that they didn't come from the same coaching tri

491
00:24:49.279 --> 00:24:52.079
<v Speaker 2>or anything like that. But I think, you know, I

492
00:24:52.119 --> 00:24:54.240
<v Speaker 2>think they and I get why they like each other.

493
00:24:54.319 --> 00:24:56.279
<v Speaker 2>The only thing that would make you think that these

494
00:24:56.319 --> 00:25:00.720
<v Speaker 2>guys are different is one coach is Louisville, one coach Kentucky.

495
00:25:01.039 --> 00:25:05.279
<v Speaker 2>One is very tall, one is very not tall. I mean,

496
00:25:05.319 --> 00:25:08.640
<v Speaker 2>that's that's really what it comes down to. And there

497
00:25:08.680 --> 00:25:12.720
<v Speaker 2>is a part of me that kind of at times,

498
00:25:13.519 --> 00:25:16.720
<v Speaker 2>dare I say, I like the the place, like the

499
00:25:16.720 --> 00:25:19.799
<v Speaker 2>the you know, the uh. I wouldn't call it a friendship,

500
00:25:19.839 --> 00:25:22.119
<v Speaker 2>but you know, it's just it's a change of pace.

501
00:25:22.599 --> 00:25:24.920
<v Speaker 2>We went from Rick and col which was just, you know,

502
00:25:25.960 --> 00:25:29.880
<v Speaker 2>something we'll never see again. And unfortunately for Louisville, you know,

503
00:25:29.920 --> 00:25:32.640
<v Speaker 2>there weren't many wins within that run there when it

504
00:25:32.680 --> 00:25:37.839
<v Speaker 2>was Cal and Rick, Louisville got a couple, maybe three wins, right,

505
00:25:37.880 --> 00:25:38.720
<v Speaker 2>But not many.

506
00:25:38.839 --> 00:25:39.359
<v Speaker 3>I mean.

507
00:25:40.759 --> 00:25:43.319
<v Speaker 2>Cal got the best of Rick, and it's crazy to

508
00:25:43.359 --> 00:25:46.200
<v Speaker 2>think that that's how his first big season at Saint

509
00:25:46.279 --> 00:25:48.200
<v Speaker 2>John's ended, where they were a two seed, and then

510
00:25:48.279 --> 00:25:50.359
<v Speaker 2>Cal is a ten seat at Arkansas gets them. So

511
00:25:51.319 --> 00:25:53.160
<v Speaker 2>the Cal Rick thing, I mean, that's really a life

512
00:25:53.160 --> 00:25:56.119
<v Speaker 2>of its own. But my point is, like we've had

513
00:25:56.160 --> 00:25:59.319
<v Speaker 2>a lot of different different vibes, Like I don't remember

514
00:25:59.440 --> 00:26:02.279
<v Speaker 2>much about Denny and Rick because I was too young,

515
00:26:02.319 --> 00:26:05.880
<v Speaker 2>Like I remember Rick being at Kentucky and having that

516
00:26:05.920 --> 00:26:08.039
<v Speaker 2>program on top of the world at the time when

517
00:26:08.079 --> 00:26:11.920
<v Speaker 2>I really started to like understand college basketball and understand

518
00:26:11.960 --> 00:26:16.880
<v Speaker 2>the rivalry. And then it went from Denny and Rick

519
00:26:16.960 --> 00:26:19.279
<v Speaker 2>to Denny and Tubby, and I don't remember much about that.

520
00:26:19.559 --> 00:26:22.720
<v Speaker 2>I do remember there were some teams that Tubby had

521
00:26:22.720 --> 00:26:25.039
<v Speaker 2>that I don't think we're supposed to be great that

522
00:26:25.240 --> 00:26:28.319
<v Speaker 2>ended up beating Louisville or vice versa.

523
00:26:28.359 --> 00:26:29.400
<v Speaker 3>Maybe it was the other way around.

524
00:26:29.960 --> 00:26:33.519
<v Speaker 2>And then once it became Rick and Tubby, it was

525
00:26:33.559 --> 00:26:37.440
<v Speaker 2>really just Rick, like Rick was the story because Tubby

526
00:26:37.480 --> 00:26:39.519
<v Speaker 2>of course just was elevated to be the head coach

527
00:26:40.000 --> 00:26:44.319
<v Speaker 2>or not elevated. Was he was he he didn't. This

528
00:26:44.359 --> 00:26:47.640
<v Speaker 2>is something that's totally not relevant. But Tufby, was he

529
00:26:47.720 --> 00:26:50.839
<v Speaker 2>a head coach elsewhere before he got the Kentucky job.

530
00:26:50.839 --> 00:26:52.680
<v Speaker 3>I think was he at Georgia? Is that right? Yeah,

531
00:26:52.880 --> 00:26:54.839
<v Speaker 3>he was at Georgia, but.

532
00:26:54.839 --> 00:26:57.480
<v Speaker 2>He was previously an assistant at Kentucky before he got

533
00:26:57.559 --> 00:27:00.599
<v Speaker 2>hired in ninety seven at Kentucky. So when he got

534
00:27:00.680 --> 00:27:04.160
<v Speaker 2>hired at Kentucky, you know, him being the guy taken

535
00:27:04.200 --> 00:27:06.480
<v Speaker 2>over for Patino, and then Patino coming back, but two

536
00:27:06.559 --> 00:27:09.160
<v Speaker 2>years later, three years later, whatever it was, four years later.

537
00:27:09.640 --> 00:27:13.640
<v Speaker 2>I mean, there really wasn't much of a rivalry between

538
00:27:13.680 --> 00:27:15.519
<v Speaker 2>the two. It was really just all about Rick, Like

539
00:27:15.559 --> 00:27:18.000
<v Speaker 2>can you believe that Patino had Kentucky on top of

540
00:27:18.000 --> 00:27:20.400
<v Speaker 2>the world, goes to the Celtics, it falls, you know,

541
00:27:20.720 --> 00:27:22.799
<v Speaker 2>he fails there, and then he's back in college and

542
00:27:22.839 --> 00:27:25.240
<v Speaker 2>he comes to the rivalry Like that really was the

543
00:27:25.279 --> 00:27:28.839
<v Speaker 2>big storyline of the whole rivalry at that time in

544
00:27:28.839 --> 00:27:32.640
<v Speaker 2>that era. And then Cal got hired, and you know,

545
00:27:33.519 --> 00:27:38.640
<v Speaker 2>it was very, very contentious. I remember, I guess it

546
00:27:38.759 --> 00:27:41.039
<v Speaker 2>was the first year they played, or maybe the second

547
00:27:41.119 --> 00:27:44.400
<v Speaker 2>year now John Wall and DeMarcus Cousins and Eric Blood,

548
00:27:44.440 --> 00:27:47.079
<v Speaker 2>So that was Cal's first year, right, Yeah, it was

549
00:27:48.000 --> 00:27:51.680
<v Speaker 2>when that game tipped off like first thirty forty five seconds,

550
00:27:51.720 --> 00:27:54.039
<v Speaker 2>like I could feel the tension sitting on my couch

551
00:27:54.160 --> 00:27:56.240
<v Speaker 2>like it was. In fact, there's no way I was sitting.

552
00:27:56.240 --> 00:27:58.079
<v Speaker 2>I think I was standing like it was just you

553
00:27:58.079 --> 00:28:01.400
<v Speaker 2>could just tell it was if you were remember might

554
00:28:01.400 --> 00:28:05.359
<v Speaker 2>have been Reggie Delk who got chest to chest with

555
00:28:05.480 --> 00:28:08.200
<v Speaker 2>Eric bledsoe On like a you know, ball went out

556
00:28:08.200 --> 00:28:10.160
<v Speaker 2>of bounds. It wasn't like they were fighting, but they

557
00:28:10.200 --> 00:28:11.720
<v Speaker 2>just happened to get close to each other. They were

558
00:28:11.799 --> 00:28:12.359
<v Speaker 2>chest to chest.

559
00:28:12.440 --> 00:28:12.680
<v Speaker 3>You know that.

560
00:28:12.839 --> 00:28:14.559
<v Speaker 2>You guys know what I'm talking about, right when basketball

561
00:28:14.559 --> 00:28:17.200
<v Speaker 2>players act like they're gonna fight but they're not gonna fight,

562
00:28:17.240 --> 00:28:18.440
<v Speaker 2>and then they get close and you think, a wait

563
00:28:18.440 --> 00:28:20.119
<v Speaker 2>a second, they're not gonna fight. Are they gonna kiss?

564
00:28:20.200 --> 00:28:21.880
<v Speaker 2>Like that kind of stuff like that happens every now

565
00:28:21.880 --> 00:28:23.880
<v Speaker 2>and then. That's what That's what it was. And all

566
00:28:23.880 --> 00:28:27.400
<v Speaker 2>of a sudden, Cal gets right in Reggie Delk's face

567
00:28:27.720 --> 00:28:30.079
<v Speaker 2>and was like, you're efin, But he didn't say f

568
00:28:30.119 --> 00:28:32.359
<v Speaker 2>and he said the actual word with the wrong guy.

569
00:28:32.799 --> 00:28:37.039
<v Speaker 2>Like it was so amped and so contentious, and yet

570
00:28:37.640 --> 00:28:39.640
<v Speaker 2>I mean, sorry about that noise.

571
00:28:39.440 --> 00:28:42.200
<v Speaker 3>By the way. It it just.

572
00:28:42.359 --> 00:28:44.160
<v Speaker 2>You know, we'll never get that again, because I just

573
00:28:44.160 --> 00:28:45.960
<v Speaker 2>don't know what would what would play out in the

574
00:28:46.039 --> 00:28:47.359
<v Speaker 2>rivalry for it to get there.

575
00:28:47.920 --> 00:28:50.000
<v Speaker 3>But that's gone.

576
00:28:50.039 --> 00:28:55.079
<v Speaker 2>And then we had the Mac and cal Era and

577
00:28:55.160 --> 00:28:58.920
<v Speaker 2>really that I kind of feel like Mac was was

578
00:28:58.920 --> 00:29:01.400
<v Speaker 2>was really kind of playing into it in a good

579
00:29:01.440 --> 00:29:03.480
<v Speaker 2>way right before things kind of fell apart.

580
00:29:03.680 --> 00:29:07.079
<v Speaker 3>Givem meer that video he did that are you Chicken?

581
00:29:07.119 --> 00:29:07.799
<v Speaker 3>Are Your chicken?

582
00:29:07.960 --> 00:29:10.880
<v Speaker 2>Like that, because you know that took place when we're

583
00:29:10.920 --> 00:29:15.519
<v Speaker 2>trying to play a rivalry game during a global pandemic,

584
00:29:15.599 --> 00:29:17.960
<v Speaker 2>and like, you know, I mean that was like that

585
00:29:18.079 --> 00:29:19.599
<v Speaker 2>that's kind of an easy thing to forget for a

586
00:29:19.640 --> 00:29:23.000
<v Speaker 2>variety of reasons, but that was like, like that was

587
00:29:23.039 --> 00:29:25.799
<v Speaker 2>a good move I feel like by by Chris Mack

588
00:29:25.839 --> 00:29:28.640
<v Speaker 2>because fans loved that. Like Mac was on top of

589
00:29:28.640 --> 00:29:30.359
<v Speaker 2>the world when that happened, I feel like just because

590
00:29:30.359 --> 00:29:33.359
<v Speaker 2>everybody was, you know, so he was. Because what was

591
00:29:33.359 --> 00:29:37.240
<v Speaker 2>happening behind the scenes is Kentucky and cal were clearly

592
00:29:37.279 --> 00:29:41.359
<v Speaker 2>trying to move the date of the game a bunch

593
00:29:41.359 --> 00:29:44.720
<v Speaker 2>of different times, and you know, they Lord just wanted

594
00:29:44.759 --> 00:29:47.319
<v Speaker 2>it on the schedule, and uh, you know, then obviously

595
00:29:47.920 --> 00:29:50.200
<v Speaker 2>Ma's out and then the Kenny Payne thing, like that's

596
00:29:50.240 --> 00:29:54.559
<v Speaker 2>a that whole experience with Kenny is a mess and

597
00:29:54.640 --> 00:29:56.599
<v Speaker 2>a nightmare for a lot of reasons.

598
00:29:56.640 --> 00:29:57.519
<v Speaker 3>But one of those.

599
00:29:57.359 --> 00:30:00.680
<v Speaker 2>Reasons is because he didn't, you know, he loved Kentucky.

600
00:30:00.720 --> 00:30:03.079
<v Speaker 2>He didn't, you know, he said it publicly, he did

601
00:30:03.119 --> 00:30:06.039
<v Speaker 2>not want to beat Kentucky unless it was by one,

602
00:30:06.319 --> 00:30:07.960
<v Speaker 2>and he knew that they wanted to kill him. Like

603
00:30:08.079 --> 00:30:11.279
<v Speaker 2>that's the kind of stuff that he said. So you know,

604
00:30:11.599 --> 00:30:16.519
<v Speaker 2>now that we have these two here, I just something's

605
00:30:16.519 --> 00:30:19.359
<v Speaker 2>gonna have to transpire for I think there'd be any

606
00:30:19.480 --> 00:30:24.039
<v Speaker 2>real feeling as if these two guys are a part

607
00:30:24.039 --> 00:30:25.960
<v Speaker 2>of the rivalry. I mean they are because they're coaching

608
00:30:25.960 --> 00:30:29.640
<v Speaker 2>the programs, but like I genuinely think and understand also

609
00:30:29.720 --> 00:30:32.519
<v Speaker 2>why they like and respect one another. And I think

610
00:30:32.559 --> 00:30:36.119
<v Speaker 2>it would be very unlike both of them to do

611
00:30:36.240 --> 00:30:40.319
<v Speaker 2>something to disrespect the other one just to play the

612
00:30:40.400 --> 00:30:42.279
<v Speaker 2>role of, Hey, I gotta do this because we're in

613
00:30:42.319 --> 00:30:44.960
<v Speaker 2>a rivalry. I just don't think these guys are built

614
00:30:45.039 --> 00:30:45.359
<v Speaker 2>like that.

615
00:30:46.319 --> 00:30:47.200
<v Speaker 5>Are you scared?

616
00:30:47.440 --> 00:30:52.000
<v Speaker 3>Are you a chicken? I miss my guy Mac.

617
00:30:52.160 --> 00:30:54.039
<v Speaker 2>But he's by the way, if you haven't paid attention,

618
00:30:54.119 --> 00:30:57.160
<v Speaker 2>not that you probably would, He's he's crushing it at

619
00:30:57.240 --> 00:30:59.359
<v Speaker 2>Charleston with their roster. I mean, he's put together a

620
00:31:00.079 --> 00:31:01.720
<v Speaker 2>roster that you know isn't going to get a lot

621
00:31:01.759 --> 00:31:04.000
<v Speaker 2>of love in the portal as far as portal rankings

622
00:31:04.039 --> 00:31:07.680
<v Speaker 2>compared to programs in like the ACC, SEC, Big Ten

623
00:31:07.720 --> 00:31:10.880
<v Speaker 2>and whatnot. But for who they are, you know, they

624
00:31:10.920 --> 00:31:13.640
<v Speaker 2>should be far and away the top team in their

625
00:31:13.640 --> 00:31:16.519
<v Speaker 2>conference next year. Which I now, I'm kind of thinking

626
00:31:16.519 --> 00:31:18.559
<v Speaker 2>that he might, like he might stay put.

627
00:31:18.400 --> 00:31:20.440
<v Speaker 3>Where he's at. I see both sides of it.

628
00:31:20.480 --> 00:31:22.960
<v Speaker 2>I see him having enough success to where he could

629
00:31:22.960 --> 00:31:25.200
<v Speaker 2>get an opportunity to come back up to the higher

630
00:31:25.279 --> 00:31:28.759
<v Speaker 2>level of college basketball, and him just thinking, look, all right,

631
00:31:28.799 --> 00:31:29.799
<v Speaker 2>I want to challenge myself.

632
00:31:29.799 --> 00:31:30.519
<v Speaker 3>I want to compete.

633
00:31:30.880 --> 00:31:32.920
<v Speaker 2>I want to show that despite it falling apart at

634
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<v Speaker 2>Louisville like it did, I had success there early and

635
00:31:35.680 --> 00:31:38.279
<v Speaker 2>before that I was on top of college basketball to

636
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<v Speaker 2>an extent, not necessarily with you know, a bunch of

637
00:31:40.319 --> 00:31:43.759
<v Speaker 2>final fours or anything, but like he was building a great,

638
00:31:43.880 --> 00:31:47.319
<v Speaker 2>great resume as a coach before and he started off

639
00:31:47.359 --> 00:31:49.519
<v Speaker 2>good here and you know, then it fell apart. So

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<v Speaker 2>I could see him maybe taking advantage of an opportunity

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00:31:52.079 --> 00:31:54.680
<v Speaker 2>outside of Charleston at some point. But I could also

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00:31:54.720 --> 00:31:57.200
<v Speaker 2>see him being like, yeah, you know what, I got

643
00:31:57.200 --> 00:31:58.839
<v Speaker 2>it good here, Like, I'm not gonna I'm not going to.

644
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<v Speaker 2>I'm not going to. I'm not gonna change things up.

645
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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna I'm gonna keep it here until I don't

646
00:32:04.839 --> 00:32:07.240
<v Speaker 2>you know, I'm gonna stay here, and it'll take a

647
00:32:07.279 --> 00:32:09.200
<v Speaker 2>once in a lifetime opportunity for me to leave because

648
00:32:09.240 --> 00:32:11.319
<v Speaker 2>Charleston's a beautiful place to live. He makes enough money,

649
00:32:11.480 --> 00:32:13.759
<v Speaker 2>his family's there now, his girls are playing volleyball there.

650
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<v Speaker 2>So anyways, quick break, we'll come back on the other side,

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<v Speaker 2>wrap up the four o'clock hour right here on Sports

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<v Speaker 2>Talk seven ninety.

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<v Speaker 1>Now back to coffee and company, fueled by Thornton's On

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<v Speaker 1>Sports Talk seven nine day, We've.

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<v Speaker 2>Got some breaking news from Shams Cherania. As as everybody feared,

656
00:32:32.400 --> 00:32:37.039
<v Speaker 2>it is a torn right achilles tendon for Jason Tatum.

657
00:32:37.200 --> 00:32:42.000
<v Speaker 2>So Shams broke the news about five six minutes ago

658
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<v Speaker 2>that he's already actually underwent surgery to repair the Achilles tendon.

659
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<v Speaker 2>And there's no report about timeline anything like that, but

660
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<v Speaker 2>I believe the expectation is that he's gonna miss the

661
00:32:55.839 --> 00:32:57.799
<v Speaker 2>entire Yeah, Shams has a follow up here. It's Hiss

662
00:32:57.799 --> 00:33:01.839
<v Speaker 2>Tatum has played the most regular season and playoff contests

663
00:33:01.839 --> 00:33:04.799
<v Speaker 2>of any player in the NBA since entering the league

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<v Speaker 2>in twenty and seventeen. He's played seven hundred and six

665
00:33:07.640 --> 00:33:10.640
<v Speaker 2>games and led the Celtics and total points, rebounds, and

666
00:33:10.680 --> 00:33:14.039
<v Speaker 2>assist over the last two postseason runs, including the entire

667
00:33:14.079 --> 00:33:19.759
<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty four finals en route to that championship they

668
00:33:19.759 --> 00:33:23.240
<v Speaker 2>won last year. So tough news. And again I would

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00:33:23.279 --> 00:33:26.960
<v Speaker 2>imagine he'll probably miss all of next season. And I

670
00:33:27.640 --> 00:33:31.839
<v Speaker 2>tuned in late, so I didn't see it. But once

671
00:33:31.880 --> 00:33:33.559
<v Speaker 2>I did tune in, I knew he was in the

672
00:33:33.559 --> 00:33:36.359
<v Speaker 2>midst of having a special night. But I mean forty

673
00:33:36.400 --> 00:33:39.240
<v Speaker 2>two points, eight rebounds, four steals, four assists in two

674
00:33:39.279 --> 00:33:42.599
<v Speaker 2>blocks on sixteen to twenty eight from the field before

675
00:33:42.640 --> 00:33:45.880
<v Speaker 2>he had the injury, And of course it looked it

676
00:33:45.920 --> 00:33:50.400
<v Speaker 2>looked severe. The non contact. I mean, it could be

677
00:33:50.400 --> 00:33:53.119
<v Speaker 2>an ACL, it could be I mean, it could be

678
00:33:53.200 --> 00:33:55.400
<v Speaker 2>a variety of things, I believe when it comes to

679
00:33:55.400 --> 00:33:59.119
<v Speaker 2>injuries that are non contact. But you know, I mocked

680
00:33:59.119 --> 00:34:01.799
<v Speaker 2>the Twitter doctors, but I think, uh, in all in

681
00:34:01.839 --> 00:34:05.920
<v Speaker 2>all honesty, we've seen enough injuries just like that to

682
00:34:05.960 --> 00:34:09.239
<v Speaker 2>where that has nothing to do with anything we know

683
00:34:09.320 --> 00:34:13.679
<v Speaker 2>about the medical world. It's just three four guys we've

684
00:34:13.719 --> 00:34:16.880
<v Speaker 2>watched probably in our lifetime as basketball fans. You knew

685
00:34:16.920 --> 00:34:19.880
<v Speaker 2>that they felt the same way. The pain seemed to

686
00:34:19.920 --> 00:34:23.519
<v Speaker 2>be the same, the same thing, and uh, you know,

687
00:34:24.159 --> 00:34:26.039
<v Speaker 2>here we are, that's that's what's happened here.

688
00:34:26.039 --> 00:34:27.519
<v Speaker 3>I remember Kobe's.

689
00:34:28.719 --> 00:34:31.480
<v Speaker 2>Was it was it KD that had it happen with

690
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<v Speaker 2>the Warriors, right like, that was probably the most talked

691
00:34:33.760 --> 00:34:36.559
<v Speaker 2>about one that I could think of. Again, Yeah, that's

692
00:34:36.599 --> 00:34:37.960
<v Speaker 2>the most talked about one that I could think of

693
00:34:38.000 --> 00:34:39.679
<v Speaker 2>in my time as an you know, as a basketball

694
00:34:39.679 --> 00:34:42.159
<v Speaker 2>fan watching somebody get hurt and then just knowing that

695
00:34:42.159 --> 00:34:45.840
<v Speaker 2>that's that's that's what it was. And uh yeah, tough

696
00:34:45.880 --> 00:34:48.119
<v Speaker 2>tough break. I mean, you can clearly come back from

697
00:34:48.519 --> 00:34:50.320
<v Speaker 2>this kind of an injury. I mean, he's twenty seven

698
00:34:50.400 --> 00:34:53.559
<v Speaker 2>years old, so he's still very I mean I was

699
00:34:53.559 --> 00:34:55.360
<v Speaker 2>gonna say he's very young. But then again, as we

700
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<v Speaker 2>as we just talked about, technically, I think he's probably

701
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<v Speaker 2>average age now. But I mean he's been in the

702
00:35:00.519 --> 00:35:06.119
<v Speaker 2>NBA since twenty seventeen. And you know that if you

703
00:35:06.159 --> 00:35:08.440
<v Speaker 2>play in the NBA and this is your you're finishing

704
00:35:08.519 --> 00:35:10.360
<v Speaker 2>up your eight season in the league, like you're a

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<v Speaker 2>veteran now.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess probably just because it doesn't seem that long

708
00:35:13.599 --> 00:35:15.519
<v Speaker 2>ago when I watched him play at Duke, like, it

709
00:35:15.559 --> 00:35:17.400
<v Speaker 2>doesn't to me really feel I guess it kind of

710
00:35:17.400 --> 00:35:19.079
<v Speaker 2>does at times, but more so just because of how

711
00:35:19.159 --> 00:35:22.079
<v Speaker 2>much has changed. I mean the last time, I mean,

712
00:35:22.079 --> 00:35:24.559
<v Speaker 2>Donovan Mitchell and Jason Tatum came out in the same year,

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<v Speaker 2>and Jason Tatum to me doesn't seem like it's been

714
00:35:29.079 --> 00:35:31.639
<v Speaker 2>as long since he's played at Duke, but with Donovan

715
00:35:31.679 --> 00:35:33.920
<v Speaker 2>it does. But I think it's more so just because

716
00:35:34.239 --> 00:35:36.719
<v Speaker 2>Donovan played for Patino here. Think about how much has

717
00:35:36.920 --> 00:35:42.199
<v Speaker 2>changed in every aspect of Louis of basketball since then. So, yeah,

718
00:35:42.440 --> 00:35:45.239
<v Speaker 2>tough news, but it does seem as if everybody last

719
00:35:45.360 --> 00:35:48.679
<v Speaker 2>night kind of just assumed the worst, and you know,

720
00:35:48.960 --> 00:35:52.239
<v Speaker 2>that's that's that's where we are. When I think of

721
00:35:52.280 --> 00:35:56.840
<v Speaker 2>an achilles tendon or a ruptured achilles, I always go

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<v Speaker 2>back to high school because I remember this was in

723
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<v Speaker 2>the spring of This was in the spring of I guess,

724
00:36:05.559 --> 00:36:10.119
<v Speaker 2>going into my junior year, I was I was going

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<v Speaker 2>through you know, like individual workouts with my high school

726
00:36:13.079 --> 00:36:17.400
<v Speaker 2>basketball coach, and he was. You know, he always he

727
00:36:17.440 --> 00:36:20.320
<v Speaker 2>coached me really hard, and I'm very thankful for that.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know, he he would have me come I

729
00:36:23.039 --> 00:36:25.159
<v Speaker 2>was coming off screens and he would just hug me,

730
00:36:26.039 --> 00:36:28.079
<v Speaker 2>not for love, but like, you know, just hang all

731
00:36:28.159 --> 00:36:30.639
<v Speaker 2>over me and guard me really hard. And he was

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00:36:30.679 --> 00:36:32.360
<v Speaker 2>young at the time, in great shape. He's still in

733
00:36:32.360 --> 00:36:34.320
<v Speaker 2>great shape, by the way, but you know, he was

734
00:36:34.360 --> 00:36:36.800
<v Speaker 2>a really good person to do that because he was physical,

735
00:36:36.800 --> 00:36:38.519
<v Speaker 2>and you know, he knew what I needed to go

736
00:36:38.559 --> 00:36:40.039
<v Speaker 2>through to get better when it comes to kind of

737
00:36:40.039 --> 00:36:42.559
<v Speaker 2>working off ball screens, that kind of stuff moving without

738
00:36:42.559 --> 00:36:46.280
<v Speaker 2>the basketball, and you know, he put me through probably

739
00:36:46.320 --> 00:36:49.199
<v Speaker 2>one of the best workouts I'd ever had as far

740
00:36:49.239 --> 00:36:51.480
<v Speaker 2>as just you know, realized it was difficult, but you know,

741
00:36:51.519 --> 00:36:54.159
<v Speaker 2>I felt like I was getting better, making progress, and

742
00:36:54.199 --> 00:36:58.920
<v Speaker 2>it was really really intense. Well, I curled a screen

743
00:36:58.960 --> 00:37:01.719
<v Speaker 2>and he was behind me, and I don't know how

744
00:37:01.760 --> 00:37:05.559
<v Speaker 2>our legs got locked or what it was, but he fell,

745
00:37:06.039 --> 00:37:08.079
<v Speaker 2>and I think him falling might have actually led to

746
00:37:08.119 --> 00:37:09.480
<v Speaker 2>us kind of tripping each other up.

747
00:37:09.559 --> 00:37:11.280
<v Speaker 3>But as soon as he went down, he was in

748
00:37:11.320 --> 00:37:12.079
<v Speaker 3>a lot of pain.

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<v Speaker 2>And before I could even like ask him, are you okay,

750
00:37:16.320 --> 00:37:17.639
<v Speaker 2>I guess I kind of knew that he wasn't, but

751
00:37:17.679 --> 00:37:20.159
<v Speaker 2>he told me it's an achilles. It's an achilles, And

752
00:37:20.239 --> 00:37:22.280
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, what, Like I thought he was telling me

753
00:37:22.320 --> 00:37:24.000
<v Speaker 2>to get somebody. I didn't know what an achilles was.

754
00:37:24.039 --> 00:37:26.159
<v Speaker 2>I was fifteen years old, Like, I'm like, what's he

755
00:37:26.239 --> 00:37:28.360
<v Speaker 2>talking about? And then he, you know, I help him

756
00:37:28.559 --> 00:37:31.679
<v Speaker 2>go get to the stage and he diagnosed himself with

757
00:37:31.719 --> 00:37:34.960
<v Speaker 2>a with a torn or ruptured achilles a man, and

758
00:37:35.840 --> 00:37:39.920
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, what's that? Young naive, I guess, insensitive me, like,

759
00:37:40.000 --> 00:37:44.599
<v Speaker 2>what's that? And you know, he told me it was

760
00:37:44.639 --> 00:37:49.079
<v Speaker 2>the injury that essentially ruined Dominique Wilkins's career because once

761
00:37:49.119 --> 00:37:52.360
<v Speaker 2>that happened in the early nineties, Dominique was never the

762
00:37:52.400 --> 00:37:54.360
<v Speaker 2>guy that was as bouncy as he once was. He

763
00:37:54.519 --> 00:37:57.159
<v Speaker 2>just you know, wasn't as you know, I guess we've

764
00:37:57.159 --> 00:37:59.280
<v Speaker 2>come a long way when it comes to treating those injuries.

765
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<v Speaker 2>But sure enough, next day at school, you know, he

766
00:38:04.760 --> 00:38:06.719
<v Speaker 2>he wasn't there. And then I talked to him after

767
00:38:06.719 --> 00:38:10.760
<v Speaker 2>school and you know, he confirmed, yep, it was an achilles.

768
00:38:10.960 --> 00:38:12.480
<v Speaker 3>But he had he had he had no doubt in

769
00:38:12.480 --> 00:38:13.280
<v Speaker 3>his mind that's what it was.

770
00:38:13.400 --> 00:38:14.840
<v Speaker 2>So I guess It's one of those things like if

771
00:38:14.880 --> 00:38:17.280
<v Speaker 2>you know what it is, Like I kind of feel

772
00:38:17.280 --> 00:38:19.760
<v Speaker 2>like if it happened to me, I would probably know

773
00:38:19.840 --> 00:38:21.639
<v Speaker 2>that that's what it was, because again, it's a lot

774
00:38:21.639 --> 00:38:23.400
<v Speaker 2>of times on a non contact or if you get

775
00:38:23.440 --> 00:38:26.000
<v Speaker 2>like hit in it, uh and you just you know.

776
00:38:25.920 --> 00:38:28.679
<v Speaker 3>You lose the abill. I mean, was it KD who

777
00:38:28.719 --> 00:38:30.280
<v Speaker 3>did it? Or Kobe who did it?

778
00:38:30.400 --> 00:38:33.599
<v Speaker 2>And then like kind of kept going and then realized

779
00:38:33.679 --> 00:38:36.519
<v Speaker 2>the tendon was ruptured to where like they couldn't move,

780
00:38:36.599 --> 00:38:38.280
<v Speaker 2>like it wasn't even like a painful thing one of

781
00:38:38.639 --> 00:38:41.079
<v Speaker 2>I get those two mixed up, not as players, but ever.

782
00:38:41.000 --> 00:38:43.079
<v Speaker 4>Remember Kobe, Kobe did it and then he went to

783
00:38:43.079 --> 00:38:43.639
<v Speaker 4>shoot the freak.

784
00:38:43.760 --> 00:38:46.760
<v Speaker 2>Yes that's what it was. Yeah, yeah, and uh it

785
00:38:46.840 --> 00:38:49.199
<v Speaker 2>might have been KD who did it. And then like

786
00:38:49.920 --> 00:38:51.280
<v Speaker 2>as soon as he tried to put weight on it,

787
00:38:51.320 --> 00:38:54.440
<v Speaker 2>then he realized, Okay, something's really wrong here. So yeah,

788
00:38:54.679 --> 00:38:57.960
<v Speaker 2>souf for Tatum. But he'll get back, he'll be healthy,

789
00:38:58.119 --> 00:39:01.679
<v Speaker 2>and I mean hard to you know, know where he

790
00:39:01.719 --> 00:39:03.880
<v Speaker 2>goes after that. But like as good as he is

791
00:39:03.960 --> 00:39:06.719
<v Speaker 2>and as well run as the Boston Celtics are as

792
00:39:06.719 --> 00:39:09.440
<v Speaker 2>an organization, I mean, I wouldn't I wouldn't expect this

793
00:39:09.519 --> 00:39:12.639
<v Speaker 2>to to automatically kind of end their their their run,

794
00:39:12.679 --> 00:39:14.039
<v Speaker 2>because they are in the midst of a run by

795
00:39:14.039 --> 00:39:15.760
<v Speaker 2>the way, you know, they've been really good for a while.

796
00:39:15.760 --> 00:39:18.079
<v Speaker 2>They've been knocking on the door and they made it

797
00:39:18.119 --> 00:39:20.559
<v Speaker 2>to the finals at least a couple of times. Then

798
00:39:20.559 --> 00:39:23.440
<v Speaker 2>of course they got one last year. So yeah, tough news.

799
00:39:23.480 --> 00:39:26.519
<v Speaker 2>But again, I can't remember an injury that you that

800
00:39:26.599 --> 00:39:29.280
<v Speaker 2>we watched to such a star in a in a

801
00:39:29.400 --> 00:39:31.960
<v Speaker 2>in a pro sport to where like it was just

802
00:39:32.079 --> 00:39:34.119
<v Speaker 2>I mean it was a given that that's what it was.

803
00:39:34.360 --> 00:39:37.519
<v Speaker 2>And uh, you know, it's not good, but he'll get healthy.

804
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<v Speaker 2>Are we got to run five o'clock hours next Keep

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<v Speaker 2>it locked right here on Sports Talk seven to ninety