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Speaker 2: So tomorrow we're gonna find out the NFL schedule in totality,
Speaker 2: and that's exciting. I mean, I know the NFL is king,
Speaker 2: and we talked a lot yesterday about all the different
Speaker 2: networks that you're gonna need in order to, uh to
Speaker 2: watch every NFL game if you'd want to. And I'm
Speaker 2: a sucker really more than anything. It's not like I'm
Speaker 2: bragging log Oh, you know I've got I've got all
Speaker 2: of it. I've got Peacock, I've got Hulu, I've got Amazon,
Speaker 2: which I do.
Speaker 3: But it's really just because I, at.
Speaker 2: One point or another needed one of those I needed
Speaker 2: all those services at one point because there was like
Speaker 2: one show that I had to watch, so I signed
Speaker 2: up and you know, just never went back to cancel it,
Speaker 2: and I probably don't use it enough to justify the cost.
Speaker 3: But again, I know I'm not alone.
Speaker 2: In fact, there's businesses out there now that have that
Speaker 2: have created this service to where they monitor that's they
Speaker 2: monitor that stuff for you as far as you know,
Speaker 2: knowing that you forgot to cancel a trial or knowing
Speaker 2: that you know you're paying nine to ninety nine a
Speaker 2: month for something that you just forget about and you
Speaker 2: haven't used it in two years. Like knowing that there
Speaker 2: are companies that have launched to help people with that
Speaker 2: situation makes me feel better knowing I'm not alone, because
Speaker 2: clearly if they see a market, then they know that
Speaker 2: you know, there's a lot of people out there like me.
Speaker 3: But anyways, ESPN they're going to have their.
Speaker 2: Own new streaming app that is I think just going
Speaker 2: to be called like yes, like they're not calling it
Speaker 2: ESPN plus, it's not ESPN three, it's not watch ESPN.
Speaker 3: It's ESPN's new and.
Speaker 2: A loan streaming app that'll cost you. Have you seen
Speaker 2: the price for this, Austin, I have not. I had
Speaker 2: no clue that they were doing. I thought that they
Speaker 2: already had apps.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so like I don't.
Speaker 2: I guess they're gonna make it to where you can
Speaker 2: have ESPN and access to it without having because like
Speaker 2: right now, if I want to watch something on ESPN,
Speaker 2: the way that I obtain the ability to watch ESPN
Speaker 2: with with a subscription is.
Speaker 3: That what I pay YouTube TV gets me ESPN.
Speaker 2: Right, And if you have Hulu Live or if you
Speaker 2: have Direct TV or Time Warn or whatever it may be, like,
Speaker 2: you pay them and that gives you access to ESPN.
Speaker 2: So when you go to ESPN's app on your Roku
Speaker 2: or your Smart TV or whatever it is on your phone,
Speaker 2: that's why it redirects you to that.
Speaker 3: Login for your cable provider.
Speaker 2: Well, I guess now what ESPN's doing is they're going
Speaker 2: to give you everything that ESPN has and you can
Speaker 2: just get it directly from them.
Speaker 3: You don't have to pay for you know, you don't
Speaker 3: have to use your your TV subscription.
Speaker 4: So let me guess it sounds they sound like they
Speaker 4: would price gouge you a little bit. I'm gonna say,
Speaker 4: fourteen dollars a month a month.
Speaker 3: Double it twenty nine to ninety nine a month.
Speaker 4: Goodness.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So ESPN's new streaming app, it's gonna launch this fall.
Speaker 2: It's gonna cost you twenty nine to ninety nine a
Speaker 2: month for an unlimited plan with all ESPN networks. But
Speaker 2: you can also bundle with Disney Plus and Hulu oh
Speaker 2: for thirty five ninety nine a month.
Speaker 4: Oh what a steal?
Speaker 2: And it says dropping to twenty nine ninety nine for
Speaker 2: the first year if you sign up at launch, so
Speaker 2: you can get it for twenty nine ninety nine a month,
Speaker 2: which honestly that is for twenty nine to ninety nine
Speaker 2: a month. I feel like that's not a bad price
Speaker 2: if if it includes the Disney Plus and Hulu.
Speaker 3: But Hulu with a what is Hulu with ads?
Speaker 2: Meaning you get Hulu that's Hulu content, but there's commercials
Speaker 2: built in, but it's not hululav TV right.
Speaker 4: No, it's like if you're watching what's one of their shows,
Speaker 4: like Cammaid's Tale, Yeah, then you get interrupted with that.
Speaker 2: So you know, this this pricing strategy, I mean, it's
Speaker 2: this is what ESPN's doing. They're pivoting to direct to
Speaker 2: consumer service here that will you know, they're basically trying
Speaker 2: to get away from having to get their product everybody
Speaker 2: via a standard cable subscription. So you know, forty seven
Speaker 2: thousand live events yearly is what ESPN has. But again
Speaker 2: it's it's I mean, it's not a crazy amount when
Speaker 2: you hear twenty like honestly, like, here's what I oftentimes
Speaker 2: think of. But I mean it's just my way of
Speaker 2: in my own It's not like when I hear that
Speaker 2: they're gonna it's gonna cost me twenty nine to ninety
Speaker 2: nine a month to watch anything on ESPN. You can
Speaker 2: tell me that it's more expensive than any of the
Speaker 2: other streaming platforms, which apparently it is. I mean, I'm
Speaker 2: reading here that the twenty nine ninety nine a month
Speaker 2: is the most extreming, the most expensive streaming app that
Speaker 2: you could that you could technically get right now without
Speaker 2: any kind of like big add ons, which that to
Speaker 2: me that sounds cheap because I imagine there's some that
Speaker 2: are more than that, but I don't know. I mean,
Speaker 2: let's be honest, if you look at the twenty nine
Speaker 2: nine and nine a month, that's that's you know, for
Speaker 2: you know, you add that up annually, that's not a
Speaker 2: super cheap thing. But anyways, what I'm getting at is,
Speaker 2: you know, if you told me it was fifty nine
Speaker 2: to ninety nine a month, and I knew that I
Speaker 2: had to pay that in order to watch the sports
Speaker 2: that I really like, I mean, I would pay it,
Speaker 2: not because I'm rolling in money or anything like that,
Speaker 2: just because like it's such an important thing to me.
Speaker 2: It really just depends on how much you like, if
Speaker 2: you if you're somebody who's out here claiming that you
Speaker 2: you can't justify and you're not going to pay for ESPN. Well, like,
Speaker 2: let's see if there's ever a time wherever, like the
Speaker 2: only way you could watch the sports that you like
Speaker 2: is on ESPN. Like eventually, I mean, maybe you will
Speaker 2: stick to your guns. But there's a lot of folks
Speaker 2: that act like the streaming platforms and all the different
Speaker 2: networks that have games. You know, it's it's it's it's
Speaker 2: I'm mocking people in a way when I do this
Speaker 2: because it is a little I mean, it's different now
Speaker 2: than it used to be, right, Like you don't just
Speaker 2: turn on your television with your remote and go to
Speaker 2: the three stations that you know would have a game.
Speaker 2: Now it's much more complex because there's a lot more
Speaker 2: networks competing to get property here. Meaning when I say property,
Speaker 2: you know they're buying the rights to air an NFL
Speaker 2: game on a Thursday or a Sunday night, and you
Speaker 2: know they pay a lot of money for that and
Speaker 2: they monetize it. The NFL, the NBA, whoever, I mean,
Speaker 2: the SEC network acc Like it's a business. They'd be
Speaker 2: foolish not to try to get the best deal possible.
Speaker 3: To where you know it's the most lucrative.
Speaker 2: And if that means that people who want to watch
Speaker 2: might have to jump through a hoop they didn't used
Speaker 2: to have to jump through, I'm sure they're sleeping well
Speaker 2: at night knowing that. So I think more than anything,
Speaker 2: it's just to me all the complaining about how difficult
Speaker 2: it is to watch sports now, it's just because it's
Speaker 2: not what it used to be. I think claiming that
Speaker 2: it's difficult and it's a it's it's a problem as
Speaker 2: if like there's an issue and you need troubleshooting and
Speaker 2: you need to talk to tech support, Like that's not
Speaker 2: the case. I mean that can happen certainly, and I'm
Speaker 2: sure there are issues. Yeah, we know there's hiccups, and
Speaker 2: it's not been completely flawless by any means. But you
Speaker 2: needing to go to a smart TV and download an app,
Speaker 2: whether it be you Roku that's connected to your smart
Speaker 2: TV or it's your smart TV itself, that's that's nobody
Speaker 2: see like anybody making these decisions, they don't see that
Speaker 2: as an issue. That's just how you're gonna get their product.
Speaker 2: But yet there's this, there's there's noise out there, and
Speaker 2: there has been for years that it's just too hard,
Speaker 2: itch to just too complicated. It's not there's a little
Speaker 2: bit more to it, yes, but it I think the
Speaker 2: root of all the uproar is just because it's not
Speaker 2: what it used to be for fifty sixty years, when
Speaker 2: you could just literally turn on your TV and there
Speaker 2: it was. Now you've got to do something that might
Speaker 2: take you five to ten seconds to get to and
Speaker 2: you know, if that alone, along with you know, the
Speaker 2: added price, keeps you from watching sports, then you know,
Speaker 2: do whatever the hell you want. You know, you're entitled
Speaker 2: to do whatever you want. But I just think a
Speaker 2: lot of people are lying when they're like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm not paying for that, because I just think sports
Speaker 2: is a bit is a big enough priority to enough
Speaker 2: people to where you know, they could probably justify the
Speaker 2: expense and they'll do it. They may not like it,
Speaker 2: but I don't know. Like the ESPN announcement today has
Speaker 2: led to a lot of people acting as if they're
Speaker 2: in the you know, not only are they in the wrong,
Speaker 2: but they're going to learn the hard way that people
Speaker 2: aren't willing to pay this and their price point is
Speaker 2: too expensive.
Speaker 3: Maybe maybe maybe.
Speaker 2: They will learn it the hard way, But I don't
Speaker 2: necessarily I mean, I don't, I don't necessarily see that
Speaker 2: as I mean, just you know how many people The
Speaker 2: reason that these networ Right Peacock, Amazon Prime, Netflix, I mean,
Speaker 2: Apple TV is even broadcasting live games too. Like, the
Speaker 2: reason that they're paying an insane amount of money in
Speaker 2: order to have exclusive rights to broadcast something is so
Speaker 2: they can then monetize it and make an insane amount
Speaker 2: of money. Because an insane amount of people watch sports
Speaker 2: and love it. It's the and it's the only real
Speaker 2: thing you have in live television anymore. I mean, I
Speaker 2: know there's a live TV on all day, but when
Speaker 2: you consider the most watched things that are live on television,
Speaker 2: whether it be you're watching it on your TV with
Speaker 2: cable or you're watching it on TV with the streaming
Speaker 2: app like YouTube TV or whatever, the vast majority of
Speaker 2: those nearly all of them. In fact, every year it's
Speaker 2: a live sporting event because nothing else do you really
Speaker 2: have to watch live now to enjoy it. There's the
Speaker 2: occasional show that, like, is such a popular show that
Speaker 2: there's so many people talking about it that you feel
Speaker 2: like if you don't watch it live, you're going to
Speaker 2: get a spoiler or something like that. But like presidential debates,
Speaker 2: that kind of stuff. I guess there are some award
Speaker 2: shows that occasionally will will crack the top one hundred.
Speaker 2: But when you can guarantee essentially that this many millions
Speaker 2: of people will be watching live on this network, advertisers
Speaker 2: will pay a lot of money to reach those people.
Speaker 2: And you know, I just think if you're somebody that's
Speaker 2: gonna that's gonna truly say yeah, I'm out.
Speaker 3: This is just gets just caught. It's just it's just
Speaker 3: cost too.
Speaker 2: Much money now to watch sports on all these different platforms.
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna not do it anymore. Well, I think
Speaker 2: they'll be okay without you.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 2: I guess the worry would be that enough people do
Speaker 2: that to where you now really have Again, that's not
Speaker 2: the case because you know, the big events in this
Speaker 2: country when it comes to live sports, people still watch it,
Speaker 2: you know, at a at.
Speaker 3: A big, big, big number.
Speaker 2: But yeah, the ESPN app, which again like they got
Speaker 2: to work on the on the brand here because I
Speaker 2: mean they just want to call it ESPN, which you
Speaker 2: know that's technically what it is. But like they also
Speaker 2: still are going to have the ESPN channel that is
Speaker 2: available on your YouTube TV, on your on your spectrum
Speaker 2: cable or whatever it is. But yeah, twenty nine ninety
Speaker 2: nine a month is the is the price. And you know,
Speaker 2: I I'll probably end up signing up for just because
Speaker 2: There'll be something that I need to watch and I
Speaker 2: realize I don't have the I don't have access to it,
Speaker 2: so I'm gonna watch.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: This is something I probably should have looked into ahead
Speaker 2: of time. But I would imagine that this just gives
Speaker 2: you the ability to and this is where it could get.
Speaker 2: This is where it could get and maybe this is
Speaker 2: actually where the real complaints are coming from as far
Speaker 2: as the price. Because if I'm paying twenty nine ninety
Speaker 2: nine a month and all that does is give me
Speaker 2: everything that's under the ESPN umbrella again, like that sounds
Speaker 2: like I'm getting a lot of access to sports and
Speaker 2: it's not crazy expensive at twenty nine ninety nine. But
Speaker 2: also like some people I don't know, like I don't
Speaker 2: know what I pay for YouTube TV right now, let
Speaker 2: me look up the app.
Speaker 3: Me.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna look this up. The price for the most,
Speaker 2: you know, because I think there are different types of
Speaker 2: let's see average price. Actually I guess average price wouldn't
Speaker 2: be it. But I'm trying to find the price for
Speaker 2: YouTube TV because I don't and I should know what
Speaker 2: I pay, but I don't. But like am I paying
Speaker 2: is twenty nine ninety nine. That's probably just under fifty
Speaker 2: percent of what I pay a month to have everything
Speaker 2: that I have within YouTube TV. But again, I think
Speaker 2: ESPN is aware that when it comes to live television
Speaker 2: and access to channels people want to watch. They they
Speaker 2: know that like this will lead to people like me
Speaker 2: who because right now there's really not much I can't
Speaker 2: watch on all these different apps that's not sports related, right,
Speaker 2: Like I you know TV shows that are part of
Speaker 2: like FX, they're on Hulu all the time. You know
Speaker 2: HBO Max, Like anything that's on HBO, I can watch
Speaker 2: it on Max. I don't have to watch it live.
Speaker 2: So maybe ESPN's looking at it from this perspective, knowing
Speaker 2: right now there's a lot of people who the only
Speaker 2: reason they pay for a live TV service, whether it's cable,
Speaker 2: YouTube TV, Hulu Live, whatever it is, is because of sports.
Speaker 2: Well we're going to give them that at twenty nine
Speaker 2: nine to nine a month and then they won't need
Speaker 2: But then again, like if I I guess, yeah, when
Speaker 2: I watch Hulu and I watch HBO Max and when
Speaker 2: I watch Peacock, you know, I'm not signing into a
Speaker 2: TV subscription to watch those that content. It's because I
Speaker 2: pay the monthly price to have access to everything that's
Speaker 2: within those within those platforms. So anyways, I only time
Speaker 2: will tell. But I happen to think that this this
Speaker 2: is going to be actually a big step in the
Speaker 2: direction of a lot of people realizing they don't need
Speaker 2: YouTube TV, they don't need Spectrum TV, they don't need
Speaker 2: direct TV because you know, you can actually have all
Speaker 2: the apps and you know, get everything you need. Now again,
Speaker 2: is the price when it's all added up? Are you
Speaker 2: actually saving any money? Are you paying more now than
Speaker 2: before you cut the cord ten years ago and went to,
Speaker 2: you know, one of these streaming services. All right, let's
Speaker 2: do this, Let's take a quick break. We'll come back
Speaker 2: on the other side. Mark Pope, he talked to the
Speaker 2: media today in Lexington. Was asked about the Louisville, Kentucky
Speaker 2: basketball game taking place in November. We'll let you hear
Speaker 2: what he had to say, but I'm not gonna mislead
Speaker 2: you as if this is something substantial. But it just
Speaker 2: reminded me that as much as we want there to
Speaker 2: be some real animosity between the two coaches here because
Speaker 2: this is the biggest and best rivalry in college basketball
Speaker 2: in my opinion, clearly I'm biased, but we all know
Speaker 2: what the rivalry is around here. Like it would be
Speaker 2: a little bit, it would feel good if there was
Speaker 2: some clear tension and you know, animosity between the two coaches.
Speaker 2: But I just think it happened to play out to
Speaker 2: where unless something changes, I think these dudes, Mark Pope
Speaker 2: and Pat Kelcey legitimately like and respect one another, and
Speaker 2: I anything can can change, but like, I don't foresee
Speaker 2: anything changing to where they're going to end up, you know,
Speaker 2: at each other's necks like we are.
Speaker 3: And that's okay.
Speaker 2: The rivalry can still be great, but we were really
Speaker 2: spoiled and we didn't know it. When it comes to
Speaker 2: just how contentious it was between Patino and Cawboll, We're
Speaker 2: never getting that again, all right, Keiva locked right here,
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Speaker 2: So as you could expect, we talked a little bit
Speaker 2: about the Dallas Mavericks being the winner of last night's
Speaker 2: NBA Draft lottery, which coming up at the five o'clock hour.
Speaker 2: There's a lottery story I want to talk about because
Speaker 2: it's got to be one of these things that we'll
Speaker 2: eventually see in some type of like a Netflix documentary.
Speaker 2: But anyways, the Mavericks, they've got some good pieces, some
Speaker 2: big names, but after trading Luca, all the pieces are
Speaker 2: old or a bad combo of old and often injured.
Speaker 2: The perfect piece would be a young, potential superstar who
Speaker 2: that wouldn't even like. If Cooper Flag is close to
Speaker 2: what they claim he will be based off potential, he'll
Speaker 2: be much bigger than just a superstar. He may be
Speaker 2: one of the best that's ever played the game. That's
Speaker 2: the kind of hype this guy has. So after losing
Speaker 2: Luca and you know, trading him away to get an
Speaker 2: old and often injured Anthony Davis who's already playing alongside
Speaker 2: Klay Thompson who's older, and Kyrie Irving who's older. I
Speaker 2: mean the way in which you could get some more
Speaker 2: life out of these guys if the franchise is essentially
Speaker 2: run by the young star, and that's how guys like
Speaker 2: Kyrie Clay and even Ad maybe can stick around and
Speaker 2: have a you know, a long and potentially successful finish
Speaker 2: to their NBA career. During that conversation, I was thinking
Speaker 2: about the average age of an NBA player, just because
Speaker 2: I feel like, if you're thirty two, you know you're
Speaker 2: you're old in the NBA. You're not old in life.
Speaker 2: In fact, I would hope not, because you know, I'm
Speaker 2: I'm ancient. If that's the case, I'm about to be
Speaker 2: thirty two. So thanks to somebody who sent this in.
Speaker 2: The average age in the NBA is let's see, they
Speaker 2: have it broke down by position. So the average age
Speaker 2: for guards in the NBA twenty five point seven. The
Speaker 2: average age for forwards is twenty five point nine. The
Speaker 2: average age for big guys centers is twenty seven point one,
Speaker 2: so you know, roughly the average age. Yeah, it says
Speaker 2: you're The average age going into this season in the
Speaker 2: NBA was twenty six years old. So I'd say if
Speaker 2: you're if the average is twenty six and you're thirty two,
Speaker 2: you're old in the NBA. I mean, I think gets
Speaker 2: if you're six years older than the average age and
Speaker 2: you know, the average you know, the overall age range
Speaker 2: of an NBA player is what eighteen to Lebron, who's
Speaker 2: got to be the oldest player in the NBA. Which
Speaker 2: I feel like if he was the oldest player in
Speaker 2: the NBA, like it would be something that people would
Speaker 2: say because it would just be an added thing, you know,
Speaker 2: to his to his legacy well before he retired.
Speaker 4: Wasn't like you Donnis Haslam, like the oldest player loves around.
Speaker 2: The Lebron is the oldest player in the NBA right now. Wow,
Speaker 2: the oldest player is Lebron who was born December thirtieth,
Speaker 2: nineteen eighty four. He'll be forty one this December. So yeah,
Speaker 2: outside of outside of that, I mean, yeah, so he
Speaker 2: is just a little bit older than Chris Paul. Here
Speaker 2: are your five oldest players.
Speaker 3: In the NBA.
Speaker 2: This is crazy to me because this this makes me
Speaker 2: feel old. Lebron is the oldest, Chris Paul's the second oldest,
Speaker 2: ky Kyle Lowry is the third oldest.
Speaker 3: PJ.
Speaker 2: Tucker is the fourth oldest. Mike Conley is the fifth oldest.
Speaker 2: Like I played against Mike Conley.
Speaker 3: Oh oh yeah, I didn't know that. Yeah, And well
Speaker 3: him and.
Speaker 2: He was from Indy and they had a special special
Speaker 2: team that that you know, him and him and Greg
Speaker 2: Odin came up together and were this duo that was
Speaker 2: you know, they were they were the the stars of
Speaker 2: of the class that I was in. And you know,
Speaker 2: there was a couple of tournaments we played in where
Speaker 2: their team was there, and you know.
Speaker 3: It was it was what I expected.
Speaker 2: It was like when Lebron was coming up, if that
Speaker 2: makes sense, just because I mean Odin more than than
Speaker 2: than Conley.
Speaker 3: But both were elite recruits.
Speaker 2: But KD is the sixth oldest oldest, Jeff Green is
Speaker 2: the seventh oldest. Wow Al Horford is the eighth oldest,
Speaker 2: Thady Is Young is the ninth oldest, and then Nicholas
Speaker 2: Bettom is the tenth oldest. So those are your oldest
Speaker 2: players in the NBA, which again makes me feel very
Speaker 2: old because you know, I mean Jeff Green, I would
Speaker 2: have for some reason I thought Jeff Green was a
Speaker 2: lot older than than he he actually is. But saying
Speaker 2: that he's still the seventh oldest player, in the NBA.
Speaker 3: So went the Yukon right, Jeff Green? Yeah close, Big
Speaker 3: East but Georgetown, Georgetown. Okay, he was on those teams
Speaker 3: at Georgetown. Remember Louisville playing Oh yeah, Roy Hibbert.
Speaker 2: Remember Roy Hibbert and Jeff Green. You know those were
Speaker 2: some good, good matchups in the UH, in the in
Speaker 2: the old Big East days.
Speaker 3: All right, it's coffee and company. Feel abouth.
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Speaker 2: hanging out with us here on a Tuesday afternoon. So
Speaker 2: earlier today, Mark Pope had what I believe is his
Speaker 2: first press conference since the season came to an end. Uh,
Speaker 2: and he was asked a lot of things as you
Speaker 2: could expect, about his roster, about the portal, about players
Speaker 2: that transferred out, that kind of stuff, and uh. He
Speaker 2: was asked about the Louisville Kentucky game, which we learned
Speaker 2: a week ago is going to be played on November eleventh,
Speaker 2: much earlier than what we're used to.
Speaker 3: And you know, it'll be weird the lead up, but
Speaker 3: we'll get used to it.
Speaker 2: And when the game happens, we'll meaning when it tips off,
Speaker 2: I think we won't know what planet we're on, or
Speaker 2: what day of the what what day of the week,
Speaker 2: or what month we're actually in, because you know, that's
Speaker 2: what the game can do to us, because we just
Speaker 2: you know, it's that big of a deal, but it
Speaker 2: is weird, and just knowing they're playing before the football
Speaker 2: game is just what really, of all things, that's just one. Okay,
Speaker 2: this doesn't seem right, but anyways, here's what Mark Pope
Speaker 2: had to say.
Speaker 5: Here we go, we increasingly complicated, and so I think
Speaker 5: it was I think it was I think it was
Speaker 5: what what worked out best is there? I heard there
Speaker 5: might be a push people wanted that in December. Is
Speaker 5: that true? So blame Louisville for that? Okay, I actually
Speaker 5: I actually don't know how we got to the date.
Speaker 5: You know, there's more important people are dealing with those
Speaker 5: those issues than me. But but I'm sure it's Louisville's fault.
Speaker 2: I said, So, I mean, take of that whatever you want.
Speaker 3: I mean.
Speaker 2: Seeing him say it and then hearing the you know,
Speaker 2: the audio like he's clearly making a joke. And I'm
Speaker 2: sure he wants to beat Louisville more than he does
Speaker 2: a lot of teams on their schedule because obviously it's
Speaker 2: a rival. He understands what it is. But the two here,
Speaker 2: meaning Pat Kelcey and Mark Pope to see the reaction.
Speaker 2: There's a couple of I guess guys who cover UK
Speaker 2: that are at the press conference that understandably so they didn't.
Speaker 2: They didn't they weren't streaming it live or maybe if
Speaker 2: they were, they you know, they didn't have the the
Speaker 2: thirty second clip that gave us that they were just
Speaker 2: sharing what it was that he said. And I don't know,
Speaker 2: I'll give maybe some of these guys.
Speaker 3: The benefit of the doubt. They were just quite literally
Speaker 3: sharing what was.
Speaker 2: Said and they didn't they didn't include context because they
Speaker 2: couldn't write, or maybe some people were trying to, you know,
Speaker 2: make it appear that Mark Pope was out there, you know,
Speaker 2: saying he wanted the game in December and Loville it's
Speaker 2: at their place this year, so that's why they moved
Speaker 2: it there. But like, let's not force it. Like nothing
Speaker 2: irks me more than whenever they're because it doesn't take
Speaker 2: much for there to be like a jab. Right, it's
Speaker 2: a rivalry. It's very contentious. It's a big deal, especially
Speaker 2: in the Louisville area. Because there's so many fans on
Speaker 2: both sides, But like, let's not force it. And I
Speaker 2: think anything at this point between these two that is
Speaker 2: being positioned as rivalry, banter or animosity anything like it,
Speaker 2: it's a force because I think the truth is both
Speaker 2: guys genuinely like each other and both guys genuinely respect
Speaker 2: each other as coaches. And you know, it didn't play
Speaker 2: out as much last year visibly because of the injuries
Speaker 2: to both teams, actually Louisville more so early on, but
Speaker 2: Kentucky obviously had some injuries that that really hurt them
Speaker 2: throughout the year.
Speaker 3: But like they.
Speaker 2: Actually play, they like to do a lot of the
Speaker 2: same stuff they really do. Like that may make you
Speaker 2: feel weird. They want to play like one another. Not
Speaker 2: that Pope's going to practice saying he wants to be
Speaker 2: like Pat Kelcey as far as style or vice versa.
Speaker 3: But they both are in the world of.
Speaker 2: Fast a lot of possessions in rhythm threes. We don't
Speaker 2: care if we shoot way more threes per game than
Speaker 2: we do any other shot. If it's a good look
Speaker 2: and it's in rhythm, that's what we want. Like they
Speaker 2: are very similar in that aspect. I think Pope, from
Speaker 2: what I gather, is a little more analytically driven, but
Speaker 2: both rely a lot on analytics, the new world of
Speaker 2: we want layups, free throws or three point shots. Like
Speaker 2: these two guys are cut from that cloth. And they
Speaker 2: don't have any history as far as you know, coaching together,
Speaker 2: or that they didn't come from the same coaching tri
Speaker 2: or anything like that. But I think, you know, I
Speaker 2: think they and I get why they like each other.
Speaker 2: The only thing that would make you think that these
Speaker 2: guys are different is one coach is Louisville, one coach Kentucky.
Speaker 2: One is very tall, one is very not tall. I mean,
Speaker 2: that's that's really what it comes down to. And there
Speaker 2: is a part of me that kind of at times,
Speaker 2: dare I say, I like the the place, like the
Speaker 2: the you know, the uh. I wouldn't call it a friendship,
Speaker 2: but you know, it's just it's a change of pace.
Speaker 2: We went from Rick and col which was just, you know,
Speaker 2: something we'll never see again. And unfortunately for Louisville, you know,
Speaker 2: there weren't many wins within that run there when it
Speaker 2: was Cal and Rick, Louisville got a couple, maybe three wins, right,
Speaker 2: But not many.
Speaker 3: I mean.
Speaker 2: Cal got the best of Rick, and it's crazy to
Speaker 2: think that that's how his first big season at Saint
Speaker 2: John's ended, where they were a two seed, and then
Speaker 2: Cal is a ten seat at Arkansas gets them. So
Speaker 2: the Cal Rick thing, I mean, that's really a life
Speaker 2: of its own. But my point is, like we've had
Speaker 2: a lot of different different vibes, Like I don't remember
Speaker 2: much about Denny and Rick because I was too young,
Speaker 2: Like I remember Rick being at Kentucky and having that
Speaker 2: program on top of the world at the time when
Speaker 2: I really started to like understand college basketball and understand
Speaker 2: the rivalry. And then it went from Denny and Rick
Speaker 2: to Denny and Tubby, and I don't remember much about that.
Speaker 2: I do remember there were some teams that Tubby had
Speaker 2: that I don't think we're supposed to be great that
Speaker 2: ended up beating Louisville or vice versa.
Speaker 3: Maybe it was the other way around.
Speaker 2: And then once it became Rick and Tubby, it was
Speaker 2: really just Rick, like Rick was the story because Tubby
Speaker 2: of course just was elevated to be the head coach
Speaker 2: or not elevated. Was he was he he didn't. This
Speaker 2: is something that's totally not relevant. But Tufby, was he
Speaker 2: a head coach elsewhere before he got the Kentucky job.
Speaker 3: I think was he at Georgia? Is that right? Yeah,
Speaker 3: he was at Georgia, but.
Speaker 2: He was previously an assistant at Kentucky before he got
Speaker 2: hired in ninety seven at Kentucky. So when he got
Speaker 2: hired at Kentucky, you know, him being the guy taken
Speaker 2: over for Patino, and then Patino coming back, but two
Speaker 2: years later, three years later, whatever it was, four years later.
Speaker 2: I mean, there really wasn't much of a rivalry between
Speaker 2: the two. It was really just all about Rick, Like
Speaker 2: can you believe that Patino had Kentucky on top of
Speaker 2: the world, goes to the Celtics, it falls, you know,
Speaker 2: he fails there, and then he's back in college and
Speaker 2: he comes to the rivalry Like that really was the
Speaker 2: big storyline of the whole rivalry at that time in
Speaker 2: that era. And then Cal got hired, and you know,
Speaker 2: it was very, very contentious. I remember, I guess it
Speaker 2: was the first year they played, or maybe the second
Speaker 2: year now John Wall and DeMarcus Cousins and Eric Blood,
Speaker 2: So that was Cal's first year, right, Yeah, it was
Speaker 2: when that game tipped off like first thirty forty five seconds,
Speaker 2: like I could feel the tension sitting on my couch
Speaker 2: like it was. In fact, there's no way I was sitting.
Speaker 2: I think I was standing like it was just you
Speaker 2: could just tell it was if you were remember might
Speaker 2: have been Reggie Delk who got chest to chest with
Speaker 2: Eric bledsoe On like a you know, ball went out
Speaker 2: of bounds. It wasn't like they were fighting, but they
Speaker 2: just happened to get close to each other. They were
Speaker 2: chest to chest.
Speaker 3: You know that.
Speaker 2: You guys know what I'm talking about, right when basketball
Speaker 2: players act like they're gonna fight but they're not gonna fight,
Speaker 2: and then they get close and you think, a wait
Speaker 2: a second, they're not gonna fight. Are they gonna kiss?
Speaker 2: Like that kind of stuff like that happens every now
Speaker 2: and then. That's what That's what it was. And all
Speaker 2: of a sudden, Cal gets right in Reggie Delk's face
Speaker 2: and was like, you're efin, But he didn't say f
Speaker 2: and he said the actual word with the wrong guy.
Speaker 2: Like it was so amped and so contentious, and yet
Speaker 2: I mean, sorry about that noise.
Speaker 3: By the way. It it just.
Speaker 2: You know, we'll never get that again, because I just
Speaker 2: don't know what would what would play out in the
Speaker 2: rivalry for it to get there.
Speaker 3: But that's gone.
Speaker 2: And then we had the Mac and cal Era and
Speaker 2: really that I kind of feel like Mac was was
Speaker 2: was really kind of playing into it in a good
Speaker 2: way right before things kind of fell apart.
Speaker 3: Givem meer that video he did that are you Chicken?
Speaker 3: Are Your chicken?
Speaker 2: Like that, because you know that took place when we're
Speaker 2: trying to play a rivalry game during a global pandemic,
Speaker 2: and like, you know, I mean that was like that
Speaker 2: that's kind of an easy thing to forget for a
Speaker 2: variety of reasons, but that was like, like that was
Speaker 2: a good move I feel like by by Chris Mack
Speaker 2: because fans loved that. Like Mac was on top of
Speaker 2: the world when that happened, I feel like just because
Speaker 2: everybody was, you know, so he was. Because what was
Speaker 2: happening behind the scenes is Kentucky and cal were clearly
Speaker 2: trying to move the date of the game a bunch
Speaker 2: of different times, and you know, they Lord just wanted
Speaker 2: it on the schedule, and uh, you know, then obviously
Speaker 2: Ma's out and then the Kenny Payne thing, like that's
Speaker 2: a that whole experience with Kenny is a mess and
Speaker 2: a nightmare for a lot of reasons.
Speaker 3: But one of those.
Speaker 2: Reasons is because he didn't, you know, he loved Kentucky.
Speaker 2: He didn't, you know, he said it publicly, he did
Speaker 2: not want to beat Kentucky unless it was by one,
Speaker 2: and he knew that they wanted to kill him. Like
Speaker 2: that's the kind of stuff that he said. So you know,
Speaker 2: now that we have these two here, I just something's
Speaker 2: gonna have to transpire for I think there'd be any
Speaker 2: real feeling as if these two guys are a part
Speaker 2: of the rivalry. I mean they are because they're coaching
Speaker 2: the programs, but like I genuinely think and understand also
Speaker 2: why they like and respect one another. And I think
Speaker 2: it would be very unlike both of them to do
Speaker 2: something to disrespect the other one just to play the
Speaker 2: role of, Hey, I gotta do this because we're in
Speaker 2: a rivalry. I just don't think these guys are built
Speaker 2: like that.
Speaker 5: Are you scared?
Speaker 3: Are you a chicken? I miss my guy Mac.
Speaker 2: But he's by the way, if you haven't paid attention,
Speaker 2: not that you probably would, He's he's crushing it at
Speaker 2: Charleston with their roster. I mean, he's put together a
Speaker 2: roster that you know isn't going to get a lot
Speaker 2: of love in the portal as far as portal rankings
Speaker 2: compared to programs in like the ACC, SEC, Big Ten
Speaker 2: and whatnot. But for who they are, you know, they
Speaker 2: should be far and away the top team in their
Speaker 2: conference next year. Which I now, I'm kind of thinking
Speaker 2: that he might, like he might stay put.
Speaker 3: Where he's at. I see both sides of it.
Speaker 2: I see him having enough success to where he could
Speaker 2: get an opportunity to come back up to the higher
Speaker 2: level of college basketball, and him just thinking, look, all right,
Speaker 2: I want to challenge myself.
Speaker 3: I want to compete.
Speaker 2: I want to show that despite it falling apart at
Speaker 2: Louisville like it did, I had success there early and
Speaker 2: before that I was on top of college basketball to
Speaker 2: an extent, not necessarily with you know, a bunch of
Speaker 2: final fours or anything, but like he was building a great,
Speaker 2: great resume as a coach before and he started off
Speaker 2: good here and you know, then it fell apart. So
Speaker 2: I could see him maybe taking advantage of an opportunity
Speaker 2: outside of Charleston at some point. But I could also
Speaker 2: see him being like, yeah, you know what, I got
Speaker 2: it good here, Like, I'm not gonna I'm not going to.
Speaker 2: I'm not going to. I'm not gonna change things up.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna I'm gonna keep it here until I don't
Speaker 2: you know, I'm gonna stay here, and it'll take a
Speaker 2: once in a lifetime opportunity for me to leave because
Speaker 2: Charleston's a beautiful place to live. He makes enough money,
Speaker 2: his family's there now, his girls are playing volleyball there.
Speaker 2: So anyways, quick break, we'll come back on the other side,
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Speaker 2: Got some breaking news from Shams Cherania. As as everybody feared,
Speaker 2: it is a torn right achilles tendon for Jason Tatum.
Speaker 2: So Shams broke the news about five six minutes ago
Speaker 2: that he's already actually underwent surgery to repair the Achilles tendon.
Speaker 2: And there's no report about timeline anything like that, but
Speaker 2: I believe the expectation is that he's gonna miss the
Speaker 2: entire Yeah, Shams has a follow up here. It's Hiss
Speaker 2: Tatum has played the most regular season and playoff contests
Speaker 2: of any player in the NBA since entering the league
Speaker 2: in twenty and seventeen. He's played seven hundred and six
Speaker 2: games and led the Celtics and total points, rebounds, and
Speaker 2: assist over the last two postseason runs, including the entire
Speaker 2: twenty twenty four finals en route to that championship they
Speaker 2: won last year. So tough news. And again I would
Speaker 2: imagine he'll probably miss all of next season. And I
Speaker 2: tuned in late, so I didn't see it. But once
Speaker 2: I did tune in, I knew he was in the
Speaker 2: midst of having a special night. But I mean forty
Speaker 2: two points, eight rebounds, four steals, four assists in two
Speaker 2: blocks on sixteen to twenty eight from the field before
Speaker 2: he had the injury, And of course it looked it
Speaker 2: looked severe. The non contact. I mean, it could be
Speaker 2: an ACL, it could be I mean, it could be
Speaker 2: a variety of things, I believe when it comes to
Speaker 2: injuries that are non contact. But you know, I mocked
Speaker 2: the Twitter doctors, but I think, uh, in all in
Speaker 2: all honesty, we've seen enough injuries just like that to
Speaker 2: where that has nothing to do with anything we know
Speaker 2: about the medical world. It's just three four guys we've
Speaker 2: watched probably in our lifetime as basketball fans. You knew
Speaker 2: that they felt the same way. The pain seemed to
Speaker 2: be the same, the same thing, and uh, you know,
Speaker 2: here we are, that's that's what's happened here.
Speaker 3: I remember Kobe's.
Speaker 2: Was it was it KD that had it happen with
Speaker 2: the Warriors, right like, that was probably the most talked
Speaker 2: about one that I could think of. Again, Yeah, that's
Speaker 2: the most talked about one that I could think of
Speaker 2: in my time as an you know, as a basketball
Speaker 2: fan watching somebody get hurt and then just knowing that
Speaker 2: that's that's that's what it was. And uh yeah, tough
Speaker 2: tough break. I mean, you can clearly come back from
Speaker 2: this kind of an injury. I mean, he's twenty seven
Speaker 2: years old, so he's still very I mean I was
Speaker 2: gonna say he's very young. But then again, as we
Speaker 2: as we just talked about, technically, I think he's probably
Speaker 2: average age now. But I mean he's been in the
Speaker 2: NBA since twenty seventeen. And you know that if you
Speaker 2: play in the NBA and this is your you're finishing
Speaker 2: up your eight season in the league, like you're a
Speaker 2: veteran now.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I guess probably just because it doesn't seem that long
Speaker 2: ago when I watched him play at Duke, like, it
Speaker 2: doesn't to me really feel I guess it kind of
Speaker 2: does at times, but more so just because of how
Speaker 2: much has changed. I mean the last time, I mean,
Speaker 2: Donovan Mitchell and Jason Tatum came out in the same year,
Speaker 2: and Jason Tatum to me doesn't seem like it's been
Speaker 2: as long since he's played at Duke, but with Donovan
Speaker 2: it does. But I think it's more so just because
Speaker 2: Donovan played for Patino here. Think about how much has
Speaker 2: changed in every aspect of Louis of basketball since then. So, yeah,
Speaker 2: tough news, but it does seem as if everybody last
Speaker 2: night kind of just assumed the worst, and you know,
Speaker 2: that's that's that's where we are. When I think of
Speaker 2: an achilles tendon or a ruptured achilles, I always go
Speaker 2: back to high school because I remember this was in
Speaker 2: the spring of This was in the spring of I guess,
Speaker 2: going into my junior year, I was I was going
Speaker 2: through you know, like individual workouts with my high school
Speaker 2: basketball coach, and he was. You know, he always he
Speaker 2: coached me really hard, and I'm very thankful for that.
Speaker 2: But you know, he he would have me come I
Speaker 2: was coming off screens and he would just hug me,
Speaker 2: not for love, but like, you know, just hang all
Speaker 2: over me and guard me really hard. And he was
Speaker 2: young at the time, in great shape. He's still in
Speaker 2: great shape, by the way, but you know, he was
Speaker 2: a really good person to do that because he was physical,
Speaker 2: and you know, he knew what I needed to go
Speaker 2: through to get better when it comes to kind of
Speaker 2: working off ball screens, that kind of stuff moving without
Speaker 2: the basketball, and you know, he put me through probably
Speaker 2: one of the best workouts I'd ever had as far
Speaker 2: as just you know, realized it was difficult, but you know,
Speaker 2: I felt like I was getting better, making progress, and
Speaker 2: it was really really intense. Well, I curled a screen
Speaker 2: and he was behind me, and I don't know how
Speaker 2: our legs got locked or what it was, but he fell,
Speaker 2: and I think him falling might have actually led to
Speaker 2: us kind of tripping each other up.
Speaker 3: But as soon as he went down, he was in
Speaker 3: a lot of pain.
Speaker 2: And before I could even like ask him, are you okay,
Speaker 2: I guess I kind of knew that he wasn't, but
Speaker 2: he told me it's an achilles. It's an achilles, And
Speaker 2: I'm like, what, Like I thought he was telling me
Speaker 2: to get somebody. I didn't know what an achilles was.
Speaker 2: I was fifteen years old, Like, I'm like, what's he
Speaker 2: talking about? And then he, you know, I help him
Speaker 2: go get to the stage and he diagnosed himself with
Speaker 2: a with a torn or ruptured achilles a man, and
Speaker 2: I'm like, what's that? Young naive, I guess, insensitive me, like,
Speaker 2: what's that? And you know, he told me it was
Speaker 2: the injury that essentially ruined Dominique Wilkins's career because once
Speaker 2: that happened in the early nineties, Dominique was never the
Speaker 2: guy that was as bouncy as he once was. He
Speaker 2: just you know, wasn't as you know, I guess we've
Speaker 2: come a long way when it comes to treating those injuries.
Speaker 2: But sure enough, next day at school, you know, he
Speaker 2: he wasn't there. And then I talked to him after
Speaker 2: school and you know, he confirmed, yep, it was an achilles.
Speaker 3: But he had he had he had no doubt in
Speaker 3: his mind that's what it was.
Speaker 2: So I guess It's one of those things like if
Speaker 2: you know what it is, Like I kind of feel
Speaker 2: like if it happened to me, I would probably know
Speaker 2: that that's what it was, because again, it's a lot
Speaker 2: of times on a non contact or if you get
Speaker 2: like hit in it, uh and you just you know.
Speaker 3: You lose the abill. I mean, was it KD who
Speaker 3: did it? Or Kobe who did it?
Speaker 2: And then like kind of kept going and then realized
Speaker 2: the tendon was ruptured to where like they couldn't move,
Speaker 2: like it wasn't even like a painful thing one of
Speaker 2: I get those two mixed up, not as players, but ever.
Speaker 4: Remember Kobe, Kobe did it and then he went to
Speaker 4: shoot the freak.
Speaker 2: Yes that's what it was. Yeah, yeah, and uh it
Speaker 2: might have been KD who did it. And then like
Speaker 2: as soon as he tried to put weight on it,
Speaker 2: then he realized, Okay, something's really wrong here. So yeah,
Speaker 2: souf for Tatum. But he'll get back, he'll be healthy,
Speaker 2: and I mean hard to you know, know where he
Speaker 2: goes after that. But like as good as he is
Speaker 2: and as well run as the Boston Celtics are as
Speaker 2: an organization, I mean, I wouldn't I wouldn't expect this
Speaker 2: to to automatically kind of end their their their run,
Speaker 2: because they are in the midst of a run by
Speaker 2: the way, you know, they've been really good for a while.
Speaker 2: They've been knocking on the door and they made it
Speaker 2: to the finals at least a couple of times. Then
Speaker 2: of course they got one last year. So yeah, tough news.
Speaker 2: But again, I can't remember an injury that you that
Speaker 2: we watched to such a star in a in a
Speaker 2: in a pro sport to where like it was just
Speaker 2: I mean it was a given that that's what it was.
Speaker 2: And uh, you know, it's not good, but he'll get healthy.
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