Speaker 1: Welcome to Primetime Crime. I'm your host, Kylie. Let's talk
Speaker 1: right now in true crime, and then together we're going
Speaker 1: to work on warming up some cold cases. Let's go. Hey, guys,
Speaker 1: welcome to this week's episode of Primetime Crime. It's Kylie.
Speaker 1: We're going to get into a little right now in
Speaker 1: true crime, and then this week I have a guest
Speaker 1: episode from my friends over at the Unsolved Couple, Ben
Speaker 1: and Sierra. They have an amazing podcast. They do unsolved
Speaker 1: mysteries rewatches, recaps, and then give you the updates, which,
Speaker 1: if you're like me, you need updates on some of
Speaker 1: these cases that were covered so long ago. So Ben
Speaker 1: and Sierra do an amazing job, and they are helping
Speaker 1: me out this week by giving me an episode. I
Speaker 1: am going to be having a new episode released next
Speaker 1: week in honor of Crime con Vegas. I am working
Speaker 1: on that right now, and then the following week I'm
Speaker 1: going to have another guest episode coming your way. Thank you,
Speaker 1: guys for all of the support and everything and bearing
Speaker 1: with me this time when I am kind of semi
Speaker 1: taking a step back, but I did want to go
Speaker 1: over a little right now in true crime because we
Speaker 1: do have a few things that I've been following to
Speaker 1: go over. So I talked about how they were supposed
Speaker 1: to be starting the murder trial for Amber s Bradlin
Speaker 1: and that has officially been postponed. Now, originally they were
Speaker 1: going to be starting the trial in May. Doctor Michael McKinney,
Speaker 1: m K McKinney, and Josh Mullins are charged in connection
Speaker 1: with Amber's murder. And honestly, I'm glad that the judge
Speaker 1: said that they were going to postpone it. The prosecution
Speaker 1: asked for them to delay the trial because this case
Speaker 1: is mostly forensics and the Kentucky State Crime Lab is
Speaker 1: apparently backed up, and they are in the process of
Speaker 1: testing all of this evidence. And they have one hundred
Speaker 1: and forty five items that they have submitted, and this
Speaker 1: doesn't include the electronics submissions for Amber's k and that
Speaker 1: is a lot of evidence, and according to the lab,
Speaker 1: this is more than they're capable of testing at one time.
Speaker 1: So there's a lot that goes into testing all of
Speaker 1: this evidence, and they just basically need more time to test.
Speaker 1: And like I said, I'm glad that they decided to
Speaker 1: delay because the last thing we want is for this
Speaker 1: to go to trial. Without all of the evidence they
Speaker 1: need in place and tested, and then Michael and MKA
Speaker 1: and Josh getting acquitted because they don't have the evidence
Speaker 1: they need to prove their case. So, as of right now,
Speaker 1: the trial is delayed until January of twenty twenty seven. Again,
Speaker 1: that could change, but at least that gives the Kentucky
Speaker 1: State Crime Lab the rest of this year to finish
Speaker 1: the testing and then the prosecution time to get everything
Speaker 1: together that they need to prove their case. Although we
Speaker 1: are also anxious to get justice for Amber Scradlin, I
Speaker 1: do think they have to go about the things the
Speaker 1: right way in order to obtain that justice, especially given
Speaker 1: who is on trial here. Michael McKinney is a very
Speaker 1: prominent and well known dentist in the area and his
Speaker 1: son is basically on trial for the murder of Amber.
Speaker 1: And then Michael McKinney and Josh Mullens, who is a
Speaker 1: family friend, are also charged in connection with Amber's death,
Speaker 1: the cover up, the cleanup, so on and so forth.
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna be sure to keep you guys updated
Speaker 1: on anything else that transpires there. And now we're moving
Speaker 1: in to murder on News as we know his murder
Speaker 1: conviction was officially overturned, which we're not really surprised about.
Speaker 1: And it now came out that he is suing the
Speaker 1: former clerk of court, Becky Hill, that served during his
Speaker 1: murder trial, and he is alleging that she denied him
Speaker 1: a fair trial before an impartial jury. And there was
Speaker 1: a press comp about this lawsuit and everything, and I
Speaker 1: can't say I'm surprised. I feel like we all knew
Speaker 1: that this was going to happen. And there's a lot
Speaker 1: of talk that his trial is going to have to
Speaker 1: be moved elsewhere because how can you get a impartial
Speaker 1: jury when this has been the longest, most ongoing saga
Speaker 1: of them all. So I'll be sure to keep you
Speaker 1: guys updated on that, on his lawsuit against Becky Hill,
Speaker 1: and anything else that happens in the Murdas saga. It
Speaker 1: has been a very interesting turn of events. I don't
Speaker 1: really think anybody is surprised by all of this, given
Speaker 1: all that came out against Becky Hill. But now we
Speaker 1: have to go through the whole trial all over again,
Speaker 1: and it shall be interesting just like the first time around.
Speaker 1: So my favorite type of updates are ones where I
Speaker 1: can tell you guys that a cold case now has
Speaker 1: movement and has been a f solved. So they have
Speaker 1: arrested a man in a nineteen eighty six cold case
Speaker 1: sexual assault murder in Virginia Beach, so Twenty two year
Speaker 1: old Roberto Walls was found on May fifteenth of nineteen
Speaker 1: eighty six behind a elementary school in a field. Roberta
Speaker 1: was a loving daughter, a big sister, and a friend
Speaker 1: to those who knew her, and is described as somebody
Speaker 1: that could be counted on in her circle of friends.
Speaker 1: So despite there being physical evidence, her murder was investigated
Speaker 1: for basically the last four decades with no answers. In
Speaker 1: two thousand and one, they were able to develop a
Speaker 1: male DNA profile and it was entered into the National
Speaker 1: DNA data Bank, but there was unfortunately no match. Over
Speaker 1: the course of the investigation, they had DNA from thirty
Speaker 1: different potential suspects that were all matched back to this
Speaker 1: DNA and there was no match. T three, the Virginia
Speaker 1: Beach Police Department was able to receive grant funding that
Speaker 1: allowed investigators to pursue the route of forensic genealogy leads
Speaker 1: and they were able to identify a possible suspect who
Speaker 1: had strong ties to the area during the time period
Speaker 1: that Roberto was killed, and they were able to do
Speaker 1: a DNA a direct DNA comparison that identified a man
Speaker 1: named Charles Berry as the source of the DNA profile.
Speaker 1: Investigators discovered that Charles Berry, who is now sixty six
Speaker 1: years old and living in Newington, Connecticut, was in the
Speaker 1: US Navy during the time of Roberto's murder and he
Speaker 1: was stationed in the Virginia Beach area. Charles Berry did
Speaker 1: not know Roberta Walls before the murder, and police said
Speaker 1: that he was never on their radar at all. He
Speaker 1: has been arrested and charged with rape and capital murder
Speaker 1: in the commission of a rape. Virginia Beach Police Department
Speaker 1: gave an interview to abcnews dot Com and they are
Speaker 1: quoted as saying, this breakthrough stands as a powerful testament
Speaker 1: to the relentless persistence of our detectives who refused to
Speaker 1: let Roberta be forgotten. We hope this closure brings a
Speaker 1: measure of peace to the Walls family and sends a
Speaker 1: clear message, no matter how much time passes, we will
Speaker 1: never stop searching for the truth. Charles Berry, like I said,
Speaker 1: has been arrested in Connecticut, and at this point it's
Speaker 1: unclear whether or not he has retained an attorney. But
Speaker 1: this one is going to be developing, and it is
Speaker 1: just a testament to the fact that time is running
Speaker 1: out for these predators and these perpetrators who committed these
Speaker 1: crimes decades ago. I don't know much about his past,
Speaker 1: but it is very probable that he went on with
Speaker 1: his life and he was able to lead a very
Speaker 1: productive and normal life and basically blend into society with
Speaker 1: this secret looming that he committed this horrific murder forty
Speaker 1: years ago. But his time is up and he is
Speaker 1: now officially behind bars, and Robertus case is in the
Speaker 1: process of being closed. So there's any more developments in
Speaker 1: this one, I'll be sure to bring it to you, guys,
Speaker 1: but we are gonna go ahead and get into this
Speaker 1: week's episode with Ben and Sierra from Unsolved Couple.
Speaker 2: I'm Keana, and I leveled up my business with Shopify.
Speaker 2: Once I figured out that Shopify was a thing, I
Speaker 2: never turned back. I can create a site with my
Speaker 2: eyes closed. Shopify thinks ahead of us, you know, and
Speaker 2: it thinks about the customer more than anything.
Speaker 3: Every day.
Speaker 2: I'm thinking about some other new business, but Shopify is
Speaker 2: doing it to me because it's so easy to use.
Speaker 2: It's like I can't stop.
Speaker 4: I'm addicted.
Speaker 2: Start your free trial at shopify dot com.
Speaker 5: When it's time to scale your business, it's time for Shopify.
Speaker 4: Get everything you need to grow the way.
Speaker 5: You want, like all the way, the way, the way,
Speaker 5: Stack more sales with the best converting checkout on the planet,
Speaker 5: Track your chichins from every channel, ride in one spot,
Speaker 5: and turn real time reporting into big time opportunities.
Speaker 4: Take your business to a.
Speaker 5: Whole new level.
Speaker 4: Switch to Shopify the.
Speaker 5: Start your free trial today.
Speaker 4: Hey everybody, I'm Sierra and welcome back to another episode
Speaker 4: of The UNSOBBD Couple, where every week Ben and I
Speaker 4: recap one of your original gateway drugs into true crime.
Speaker 6: Unsol mysteries.
Speaker 4: Boom tippity tuppity bipity boppity boop boop. Have you ever
Speaker 4: been booped on the nose by somebody? What if a
Speaker 4: stranger walked up to you and booped you one of those?
Speaker 4: I feel like it could go one or two ways,
Speaker 4: it depends. That's yeah. They'd have to be really good
Speaker 4: at reading the room.
Speaker 6: I think I would probably laugh.
Speaker 4: I love that would be so funny to be the
Speaker 4: person that goes up to strangers and just goes.
Speaker 7: I wouldn't do it because you just that I don't
Speaker 7: trust strangers, but I love a good joke.
Speaker 6: You do.
Speaker 7: So I'm here for if someone came Probably if someone
Speaker 7: came up and did that to me, I would laugh.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 6: For obviously, I think everyone would like first happen. I
Speaker 6: think a lot of people like what that caught off?
Speaker 6: Does happened on your face? Yeah? Of course?
Speaker 4: Yeah? But yeah, all right, well we're back another week,
Speaker 4: another episode. I'd probably laugh, yeah, or I'd boop them
Speaker 4: back because I bet they wouldn't be expecting that and
Speaker 4: it would be a double booping. Yeah. All right, Well
Speaker 4: what are we shitty chatting about today? Season four, episode
Speaker 4: Night Team, one Night mm hmmm. A couple quick housekeeping notes.
Speaker 4: First off, later this week, I'm going to be dropping
Speaker 4: in to our listener feed a new podcast called Secrets
Speaker 4: Beyond the Sacramento River. It's by two good friends of mine,
Speaker 4: Jules and Jen. There investigative podcasters. I would like to
Speaker 4: gift you guys the very first episode, so check it
Speaker 4: out if you like what you hear, please go make
Speaker 4: sure to follow the podcast and drop them a five
Speaker 4: star rating review. And then the other housekeeping note before
Speaker 4: our like run of the mill housekeeping notes, we had
Speaker 4: another listener by SA Coffee become a sponsor of the show,
Speaker 4: and her name is Amy, And I asked her, let
Speaker 4: me know what your favorite memories are or an Unsolved
Speaker 4: Mysteries episode and she said Cindy James or the Kendy
Speaker 4: Cabin Murderers. So she is a longtime lover of Unsolved
Speaker 4: Mysteries and a fan of z podcast. And then later
Speaker 4: in the episode, I thought it'd be fun to start
Speaker 4: reading some of our five star ratings and reviews. And
Speaker 4: on that note, please please please make sure to drop
Speaker 4: us a five star rating or review. It pushes us
Speaker 4: forward in all the algorithms as well as makes us
Speaker 4: super happy. Follow us on social media, follow us wherever
Speaker 4: you're getting this podcast, Share us with a friend, and
Speaker 4: all your wildest dreams will come true. All right, Ready
Speaker 4: to dive in.
Speaker 6: Yes, ma'am?
Speaker 4: Okay, three stories?
Speaker 1: So me you me?
Speaker 6: Yeah, because I only have one, you only have one.
Speaker 4: I'll start with our lost love story. Yeah, we've got
Speaker 4: a lost love for us and I have some mess
Speaker 4: for you, but I have a lot of questions about
Speaker 4: this one as well.
Speaker 6: So just while I'm.
Speaker 4: Telling this story, and we'll try to unpack a few things. Okay,
Speaker 4: So we're we're dialing back the time frame to the
Speaker 4: nineteen thirties and the United States is just kind of
Speaker 4: starting to pull out of the Great Depression. So because
Speaker 4: it ended in nineteen I guess nineteen forty two, it
Speaker 4: lasted just over a decade. But for many, the cost
Speaker 4: of this is from Robert Zek the personal treaty that
Speaker 4: would continue for a lifetime. Such was the case for
Speaker 4: a young girl and her older brother who lived in Hillsdale, Texas,
Speaker 4: and in nineteen forty one, Barney Dewey was twelve years old,
Speaker 4: but was already the main male of the home even
Speaker 4: at the age of twelve, he worked part time at
Speaker 4: a gas station. While at the gas station working he
Speaker 4: took care of his eight year old sister, Angeline. So
Speaker 4: in the reenactment, she's literally like a play in the dirt,
Speaker 4: and he's like attending the cars that come through the
Speaker 4: gas station. It was just this was a very different time.
Speaker 6: And it's a different world.
Speaker 4: It's a world that I cannot even understand experienced their
Speaker 4: stepfather at the time. I've got no more information on this.
Speaker 4: I tried to find it was hospitalized, I don't know
Speaker 4: for how long or for what. And their mother, Lucy,
Speaker 4: was basically working long hours as a garment worker. I'm
Speaker 4: gonna guess being paid next to nothing in a terrible
Speaker 4: factory somewhere, because I've listened to a few podcasts about
Speaker 4: like working conditions at the time. In these factories, it
Speaker 4: was awful, and women were even paid less than the
Speaker 4: men garment workers because they were females and it was
Speaker 4: just like hot. Yeah, I mean, that's a different podcast
Speaker 4: for a different day. So this young boy recalls that
Speaker 4: wild times were hard and the family was constantly concerned
Speaker 4: with just trying to keep what he called quote, body
Speaker 4: and soul together, which I thought was a term I
Speaker 4: hadn't really ever heard. They were trying to make ends
Speaker 4: meet and just basically keep themselves alive. And his mom
Speaker 4: could read and write but didn't have a major education. Like,
Speaker 4: they're just trying to keep their head above water. But
Speaker 4: at the end of the day, this is a very
Speaker 4: bleak existence. But Barney and his family managed to scrape
Speaker 4: by and stay together until one day of the spring
Speaker 4: of nineteen forty one, when he and Angelie had a visitor,
Speaker 4: a quote kindly old man named Reverend Nicholas. Reverend Nicholas
Speaker 4: introduced himself to Barney and claimed that he was a
Speaker 4: friend of Lucy's. It was their mother, and told Barney
Speaker 4: that she was sick and that she wanted him and
Speaker 4: Angeline to go stay with him at his home in Albanin.
Speaker 4: Barney figured that they would do so and she would
Speaker 4: come and get them after she was recovered. As Barney
Speaker 4: put it, quote he could quote he could quiet our
Speaker 4: fears with a few words and a piece of candy
Speaker 4: of what she was known to always carry in his pocket.
Speaker 4: It literally seems to be the origin story of like
Speaker 4: don't get into the car with the stranger with candy.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think that came after this.
Speaker 4: I so Reverend Nicholas took the two children to a
Speaker 4: fancy hotel.
Speaker 7: Let's just get this stranger. There's no way this man
Speaker 7: was a reverend. He was there was no way he
Speaker 7: was following.
Speaker 4: But I know, and here's unfortunately, this is going to
Speaker 4: get worse, and it's not going to get worse. Per
Speaker 4: Unsolved mysteries, and I'll tell you what. Even to this day,
Speaker 4: this man is considered a man of ear within this community.
Speaker 4: I don't think people have looked into this like you
Speaker 4: and I did. So Reverend Nicholas takes the two children
Speaker 4: to a fancy hotel. Oh, sorry to keep going back
Speaker 4: from the picture of this man during this timeframe, he
Speaker 4: was dressed in the most luxurious clothing I've seen. This
Speaker 4: wasn't just like a man that was We've seen in
Speaker 4: a couple of other the great depression stories that was
Speaker 4: like able to kind of get through and even be comfortable.
Speaker 4: This man was living in the lap of luxury among
Speaker 4: people who were starving and barely able to feed their children.
Speaker 4: And he was doing it whilst telling people he was
Speaker 4: a man of God. So just sorry, I didn't want
Speaker 4: my personal things to get into this, but clearly you
Speaker 4: guys are hearing. So he takes them and gets them
Speaker 4: both fancy, beautiful new outfits, feeds them a scrumptious dinner.
Speaker 4: I tried to look no word on what the dinner was,
Speaker 4: and the next day all dre just up in their
Speaker 4: new clothed, cleaned and filled belly's full. He takes photographs
Speaker 4: of them, which again was like a luxury at the time.
Speaker 4: Barney tells them that something had happened to Lucy and
Speaker 4: that they were unable to see her and him and
Speaker 4: him and Angeline were taken by Reverend Nicholas to a
Speaker 4: bus station. Then at this point Nicholas says, like, where
Speaker 4: are we going or not Nicholas, sorry, excuse me. Barney
Speaker 4: asks him where are we going? And Reverend Nicholas tells them,
Speaker 4: you guys are going to just go on a little trip,
Speaker 4: but not to worry and everything would be okay. Dooking,
Speaker 4: So as Barney and Angeline got into the bus, she
Speaker 4: starts to cry she's what eight at the time, saying
Speaker 4: that she doesn't want to go she misses her mother,
Speaker 4: and Reverend Nicholas tried to calm her down, saying that
Speaker 4: they were going to be meeting up with Lucy once
Speaker 4: they got off the bus. And every time they questioned
Speaker 4: or objected to anything, wherever Nicholas would soothe their feelings
Speaker 4: and said, everything is going to be all right. These
Speaker 4: two sweet children trusted him and believed them that they
Speaker 4: were going to be seeing their mother at the end
Speaker 4: of this bus ride, and that's that's where their end
Speaker 4: destination was. However, later that day, Barney and Angelina arrived
Speaker 4: with Reverend Nicholas at a Foster home.
Speaker 5: When it's time to scale your business, it's time for Shopify.
Speaker 4: Get everything you need to grow the way.
Speaker 5: You want, like all the way, the way the way,
Speaker 5: stack more sales with the best converting checkout on the planet,
Speaker 5: Track your chichains from every channel, ride in one spot,
Speaker 5: and turn real time reporting into big time opportunities. Take
Speaker 5: your business to a whole new level. Switch to Shopify.
Speaker 5: Start your free trial today.
Speaker 8: You did a start a business just to keep their
Speaker 8: lights on. You hit a Selmo more today then yesterday.
Speaker 8: You're here to weep. Lucky for you, Shopify built the best.
Speaker 9: Converting checkout on the planet, like said just one tapping, ridiculously.
Speaker 10: Fast acting, sky high sales, stacking champion the checkouts.
Speaker 3: That's the good stuff, right bag. So if your business
Speaker 3: is in it to.
Speaker 11: Win, it win with Shopify.
Speaker 8: Start your free trout today at shopify dot com slash win.
Speaker 4: So Barney believed that Lucy was going to meet them there.
Speaker 4: A few days later, however, he starts to realize that
Speaker 4: things are not adding now. His mother is nowhere to
Speaker 4: be found. So Reverend Nicholas and his adopted son Nick
Speaker 4: Crane come to the orphanage to pick up Barney, but
Speaker 4: not his sister Angeline. She starts to cry and solve.
Speaker 4: She holds onto her brother and tries to follow them
Speaker 4: to the car. She had to be physically restrained by
Speaker 4: an employee at the orphanage. As they left, she yelled
Speaker 4: to Barney, you promised me you were going to find
Speaker 4: our mom, but there was nothing that the sweet boy
Speaker 4: could do. Only later did Barney understand that the fancy
Speaker 4: new clothes and the photograph had been used as an
Speaker 4: advertisement to show prospective foster parents. So get this. Barney
Speaker 4: is sent to live on a hundred acre ranch outside
Speaker 4: of albernine, Texas. And this man is a better human
Speaker 4: than I am. Because Barney's interviewed on Unsolved Mysteries. He's
Speaker 4: the one looking for his sister.
Speaker 6: Yeah, he's the one that brought this time mysteries.
Speaker 4: I don't know if it's just goodness in this man,
Speaker 4: but he talks highly of his foster parents, and I'm
Speaker 4: going to tell you what he said. So first off,
Speaker 4: we find out that his foster parents are none other
Speaker 4: than Reverend Nicholas's secretary. So a woman who claims to
Speaker 4: be like a paid employee of whatever church these people
Speaker 4: are a part of. This is the secretary of the
Speaker 4: church and her husband, who conveniently at the same time,
Speaker 4: were in desperate need of a ranchan. So this woman
Speaker 4: during the Great Depression owns a hundred acres.
Speaker 6: This is during this is the forties.
Speaker 7: Now we're out of the depression, yeah, just coming out
Speaker 7: of it, and.
Speaker 4: She's working as a secretary. It has one hundred acres
Speaker 4: and is in need of a ranch hand. That is umbrella.
Speaker 4: Umbrella like disguised as I'm going to be a good
Speaker 4: person and foster a child.
Speaker 7: It gets better as we learned they weren't really foster parents.
Speaker 4: So Barney tells us, yes, that he was really happy
Speaker 4: because he was given responsibility. He was responsible for driving
Speaker 4: the tractor, plowing, doing all of the chores on the
Speaker 4: ranch to keep the animals fed and cared for. He
Speaker 4: enjoyed this immensely because he felt like he was in charge,
Speaker 4: like he had he had a purpose, he was doing something.
Speaker 4: He had his own horse, and could do whatever he
Speaker 4: wanted to on his ranch. Because you guys, he lived
Speaker 4: in a separate home. These human garbage bags could not
Speaker 4: even bother to let this twelve year old boy that
Speaker 4: they had ripped away from not only his parents but
Speaker 4: his sister live in there under their roof.
Speaker 6: Well, that's what I'm saying. They didn't.
Speaker 7: They weren't foster. They just they took this kid in
Speaker 7: as an employee, unpaid free.
Speaker 4: This is what we call like in and he's an
Speaker 4: indentured servant. Yeah, and they give him a horse. They
Speaker 4: make him response. This is hard. Plowing and feeding and
Speaker 4: carrying of animals night and day is intense labor. And
Speaker 4: I'm sure there's a part of this kid, who for
Speaker 4: the first time in his life had a roof over
Speaker 4: his head and probably food in his belly, was struggling
Speaker 4: with this sort of give and take. So he tells
Speaker 4: us he does start to feel lonely because his existence
Speaker 4: on this farm or this ranch was a solitary one
Speaker 4: because he was forced to live eight miles and this
Speaker 4: is eight miles back in the day, away from the
Speaker 4: main ranch house.
Speaker 6: It's just crazy because one hundred acres.
Speaker 4: Is not exactly He wasn't living on property. So either
Speaker 4: he's had a horse, so he had to either She.
Speaker 7: Was living on the hundred acres because like, like my
Speaker 7: grandfather was a rancher. He was a yeah, I mean
Speaker 7: he was a rancher, had dairy cows. But the house
Speaker 7: they lived at was not on the land and the
Speaker 7: barn and.
Speaker 6: All of that.
Speaker 7: So they lived there and then they you know him,
Speaker 7: my dad, as brothers when they would go down to
Speaker 7: the property and take care of the cows, and you
Speaker 7: have to go there. He lived where all the animals
Speaker 7: were and where that is, and these people lived in
Speaker 7: town or something.
Speaker 8: Here's golf legend John Dailey.
Speaker 12: Oh yeah, these winds are pulling up faster than my divorces.
Speaker 12: I only spent on Moto America's Social Casino. You know,
Speaker 12: I've won a couple of majors and on Moto I
Speaker 12: won majors, Grands and epic jackpots on their Classic Vegas
Speaker 12: slots with huge, huge bonus rounds. Moto Casino adds new
Speaker 12: games and awards players three coins every single day, grip at.
Speaker 11: And spent it on Moto Casino.
Speaker 8: Load the Moto Casino app today.
Speaker 13: Moto Casinos Social Castina boid with phibity no but just necessary.
Speaker 13: Visit Motodocu West from Mortgachrissina.
Speaker 3: Bisocial scene.
Speaker 11: Do you know more than your car is worth? Is
Speaker 11: your interest rate too high? Need a lower payment?
Speaker 10: Now come into Volkswagen Cypress and pick your promotion. One
Speaker 10: trade in your car with our incredible buyout program. Two
Speaker 10: upgrade to a new twenty twenty six Volkswagen least like
Speaker 10: the twenty twenty six.
Speaker 11: Jet ass for just one ninety nine a month. Or
Speaker 11: three get our rate reduction.
Speaker 10: We're offering four point nine percent APR for eighty four
Speaker 10: months on nearly every dw R A lot. Pick your
Speaker 10: promotion today and Volkswagen Cypress visit thew cypress dot com Call.
Speaker 14: Eight hundred and seventy eight zero seventy five four for
Speaker 14: full details. Offers in June thirtieth, twenty twenty six.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I have a lot of questions. And here's the thing.
Speaker 4: Obviously this was a very long time ago, and I'm
Speaker 4: I'm getting stuck on the wrong thing. But my heart
Speaker 4: broke for this. This story is a set.
Speaker 6: It's a sad story.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean yeah, And I don't like it when
Speaker 4: people hide under the umbrella that they are working for
Speaker 4: a faith or doing this in the name of God
Speaker 4: or whatever, like this man, Reverend whatever is bud Is,
Speaker 4: was very proud of the fact that he was a
Speaker 4: member of whatever clergy he thought he was a brotherhood
Speaker 4: of and he used that position of power to take
Speaker 4: advantage of people far below the station. And I'm sorry,
Speaker 4: when you're a reverend, you're supposed to be lifting your
Speaker 4: hand down and picking people up.
Speaker 7: Well, these kids were kidnapped. Really, when you just you
Speaker 7: get down to the brass tack su the facts of
Speaker 7: the matter.
Speaker 15: These kids, this man saw to take advantage of how
Speaker 15: this boy is.
Speaker 7: Telling the story. They were taken from their home under
Speaker 7: the guys of false pretenses. Yeah, and it appears that
Speaker 7: the parents were never told and so yeah, I mean
Speaker 7: really that.
Speaker 4: Falls a man an orphanage and a foster like sort of.
Speaker 4: I mean, this is human trafficking. He was human trafficking children,
Speaker 4: got kidnapping.
Speaker 7: And sending them and then taking those kids, like you said,
Speaker 7: he was kidnapping and then trafficking them for We don't know, but.
Speaker 4: He obviously went very well off.
Speaker 7: I'm gonna imagine he wasn't just doing this and not
Speaker 7: receiving anything that return. Yes, we don't know this never.
Speaker 4: At least I looked, Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 7: That information is probably never never because it's not out there.
Speaker 4: No one in this community has bothered to look into this.
Speaker 4: So as time passes, he starts to kind of become
Speaker 4: upset about the situation that he's in. He misses his sister,
Speaker 4: he misses his mother, and so he decided he's going
Speaker 4: to just leave the ranch and he's going to go
Speaker 4: look for his family on his own. But yet, he's
Speaker 4: such a good human being that he felt the need
Speaker 4: to take off all of any clothing and belongings that
Speaker 4: these quote unquote foster parents had bought for him, put
Speaker 4: on his old clothes and his old shoes, and take
Speaker 4: like thirty seven cents that he had in his pocket
Speaker 4: that he had earned at the gas station that he
Speaker 4: showed up with because he wasn't getting paid again you
Speaker 4: guys on this ranch, and leave and go look for
Speaker 4: his mom and sister on his own. So it's ninety
Speaker 4: seven miles from the ranch, simon the ranch, so I'm
Speaker 4: guessing that's probably was where he was living, to Hellsdale, Texas.
Speaker 4: When he gets there and I have no more information
Speaker 4: on this either, he discovers that his mom and his
Speaker 4: stepfather had moved away. I don't know why. I don't
Speaker 4: think his mom was physically in great shape and maybe
Speaker 4: even not mentally, because that'll make more sense here in
Speaker 4: a few minutes. So he began a personal honesty looking
Speaker 4: for these two women that chrisscrossed Texas and nearly covered
Speaker 4: over a thousand miles that this kid made to make
Speaker 4: it on his own with thirty seven cents and like
Speaker 4: one outfit at twelve years old.
Speaker 6: Yeah, this kid is pretty remarkable.
Speaker 4: Absolutely so oddly like, we also find out Barnie's able
Speaker 4: to track down his earth father, who apparently like was
Speaker 4: choosing to not be I don't know, I don't know
Speaker 4: what his story. He doesn't seem like the most attentive
Speaker 4: human being, and he then travels to Kilgore and then
Speaker 4: onto Humble, just outside of Houston, where his father then
Speaker 4: puts him on a bus to Odessa, where he'd be
Speaker 4: reunited with his mother. So he shows up at his
Speaker 4: biological father's house. His biological father seems to have an
Speaker 4: idea where his mother is, doesn't seem to ask a
Speaker 4: lot of questions about where his daughter is, and basically
Speaker 4: puts him on a bus to go back to live
Speaker 4: with her, even though he was kidnapped from that location
Speaker 4: or from that person's custody at some point. Again, I've
Speaker 4: got so many questions. So when he gets to Odessa,
Speaker 4: he gets off the bus and recognizes his mother and
Speaker 4: runs up to her, but she doesn't recognize him. It's
Speaker 4: a weird note that they tell us and unsolved mysteries
Speaker 4: because by the time they've been reunited, it's actually only
Speaker 4: been a year. There's a lot of life that happened
Speaker 4: in a very short amount of time, and the only
Speaker 4: change was he said at some point someone bottom a
Speaker 4: pair of glasses and his mom couldn't recognize him. To me,
Speaker 4: there is a part of me that wonders if this
Speaker 4: woman was struggling with some major potential physical or mental
Speaker 4: health issues.
Speaker 7: Uh the way, because Barney's want telling the story, He's
Speaker 7: just given us the flyby. There's so much more to
Speaker 7: this story, and I just think there's a lot we
Speaker 7: don't know.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, he's just kind of trying to like.
Speaker 6: These people have taken him.
Speaker 7: I just think the way he tells a story, I mean,
Speaker 7: this story could probably fill up an entire episode if
Speaker 7: you actually got down to like.
Speaker 4: I know, it's just hard because then she turned to
Speaker 4: her son and asks him, well, have you talked to
Speaker 4: your sister?
Speaker 16: I don't know.
Speaker 4: We don't get any information on whether she had actually
Speaker 4: been doing anything to try to find them either. And
Speaker 4: I know we covered the other story in Tennessee where
Speaker 4: there was the judge and her companion going around kidnapping
Speaker 4: children from parks, kind of in the same situation, realizing
Speaker 4: that women were having to work and so kids were
Speaker 4: left unattended. And it sounds like, whether due to lack
Speaker 4: of education, or lack of financial means, or even like
Speaker 4: just barely being able to keep your head above water,
Speaker 4: they didn't have the wherewithal or the ability to like
Speaker 4: fight back. And that breaks my heart, which is another
Speaker 4: reason why this man was taking advantage of people in
Speaker 4: their most vulnerable states. So he says, no, I haven't.
Speaker 4: I don't know anything about my sister. So he asks
Speaker 4: his mom did she sign any papers? Like how did
Speaker 4: we end up in this spot? And all she let
Speaker 4: them know is that she hadn't signed any paperwork and
Speaker 4: that she would have never done that to them. She said.
Speaker 4: Around the time that Reverend Nicholas took them, authorities had
Speaker 4: temporarily taken her into police custody, and she wasn't sure
Speaker 4: the reason why, and then was let go shortly after
Speaker 4: to come home and find that her kids had been
Speaker 4: taken because she had been quote arrested. So there's your scheme,
Speaker 4: which means that the police were probably being paid to
Speaker 4: bring these people in for false charges like it's a
Speaker 4: whole this is human trafficking like one oh one so,
Speaker 4: and no one ever had told her where the two
Speaker 4: children were taken. So Barney goes on and lives with
Speaker 4: his mother and stepfather till he's eighteen years old, and
Speaker 4: in nineteen forty seven he's married for you. Years later,
Speaker 4: him and his wife Stella traveled to Albertine an attempt
Speaker 4: to locate Reverend Nicholas and ask him a few questions.
Speaker 4: They ended up meeting up with Nick Crane, who owned
Speaker 4: a pharmacy in town. Nick Crane, if you remember, is
Speaker 4: the adopted son of Reverend Nicholas, and Nick tells him
Speaker 4: that Reverend Nicholas had actually died a few years ago.
Speaker 4: His orphan had been shut down by the state of Texas.
Speaker 4: But again I could not find any records as to
Speaker 4: why it was closed, and whatever records had existed were
Speaker 4: kind of just tossed around in some buckets or boxes
Speaker 4: in the back of the pharmacy. So Varney and his
Speaker 4: wife siff through all the papers. They find nothing. They
Speaker 4: believe that some of the records were destroyed by employees
Speaker 4: of the orphanage. I'm gonna guess that maybe that had happened,
Speaker 4: like dumping the right like everyone's trying to what's this.
Speaker 4: There's like several movies where there's scenes of like, you know,
Speaker 4: the FBI is coming and everyone's like that shredders and
Speaker 4: is trying to dump all the records. That's what I
Speaker 4: imagine happened. Yeah, yeah, So Barney, now at the age
Speaker 4: of sixty two years old, is living in Stockton, California.
Speaker 4: He himself is a minister. I found out. They didn't
Speaker 4: say that, but I looked it up, like that's what
Speaker 4: his career was. And for the last fifty years he
Speaker 4: has been searching for his sister. He's been unable to
Speaker 4: contact her or find out anything that knows about any
Speaker 4: of her whereabouts. All he has left are a couple
Speaker 4: of pictures of her. They were taken between seven and
Speaker 4: eight years old. She was born in nineteen thirty three,
Speaker 4: adopted in around about the time of nineteen forty one,
Speaker 4: you ain't had about Modo Casino.
Speaker 17: Moto has real Vegas slots. Any game you can plan
Speaker 17: on the floor in Vegas, you can play it on Moto.
Speaker 17: I like my slots hot. Moto's free to play like
Speaker 17: food steps in the grocery store, at a funeral in
Speaker 17: trapp and keep grays on the road. Hop on Moto Casino.
Speaker 17: If Moto Casino got jackponds that are bigger than my bed,
Speaker 17: Moto America's hottest free to play social casino.
Speaker 13: Download the Moto Casino lab today. Moto Casino so social
Speaker 13: Casino boid. We're phibited, No put just as thirty. Visit
Speaker 13: MOTODOCU West from Mortegas.
Speaker 3: Casino Episocial Decene.
Speaker 11: Do you owe more than your car's worth? Is your
Speaker 11: interest rate too high? Need a lower payment?
Speaker 1: Now?
Speaker 10: Come into Volkswagen Cypress and pick your promotion. One trade
Speaker 10: in your car with our incredible buyout program. Two upgrade
Speaker 10: to a new twenty twenty six Volkswagen Least like the
Speaker 10: twenty twenty six Jenass for just one ninety nine a
Speaker 10: month or three get our rate reduction. We're offering four
Speaker 10: point nine percent APR for eighty four months on nearly
Speaker 10: every DW ONR lot. Pick your promotion today at Volkswagen Cypress.
Speaker 10: Visit BW cypress dot com call eight.
Speaker 14: Hundred and sevententy eight zero seven five four for full details.
Speaker 14: Offers in June thirtieth, twenty twenty.
Speaker 4: Six, and their mother passed away in nineteen eighty five,
Speaker 4: but Barney believes that as an adult, his sister may
Speaker 4: remember her, remember her and him, and also be looking
Speaker 4: for him. So, Barney Angelie are the only are two
Speaker 4: of thousands of children who passed through Reverend Nicholas orphanage. Again,
Speaker 4: that should be a red flag. No orphanage should have
Speaker 4: thousands of children coming through it. That's way too many kids.
Speaker 4: And his orphanage was called the West Texas Children Aid
Speaker 4: and Welfare Association and daring the early to mid nineteen nineties.
Speaker 4: Many of the families were in financial troubles who had
Speaker 4: their children go missing.
Speaker 6: You said in the nineteen nineties, You mean nineteen.
Speaker 4: Thirties, sorry, nineteen hundreds. Yeah, So that's kind of where
Speaker 4: unsolved mystery leaves us, all right, update solved on the
Speaker 4: night of the broadcast Barney's prayers. Right when Neil Smith
Speaker 4: of Cedar Hill recognized Angelaie as his adopted sister, Martha
Speaker 4: Jean Smith. The picture of her and Barney was the
Speaker 4: same one she brought with him with her from the
Speaker 4: orphanage when the Smiths took her in in nineteen forty one.
Speaker 4: She had grown up in Cross Plains. Another adopted brother
Speaker 4: named Paul had actually tried to help her locate her
Speaker 4: birth family, but had been unsuccessful. Martha Jean is mildly
Speaker 4: mentally handicapped and lives and works at Rainbow Acres, a
Speaker 4: group home for mentally disabled adults in Camp Verde near
Speaker 4: flag Stuff. Kim Birdy is actually really close to where
Speaker 4: we stayed when we went up to Strawberry this last year.
Speaker 4: Verde means green, so it's called Camp Green, but we
Speaker 4: like to use Spanish words in Arizona there but that
Speaker 4: in your book of fun facts, so.
Speaker 6: Thank you.
Speaker 4: Sadly, she had grown up with the belief that her
Speaker 4: birth family did not love her and wanted nothing to
Speaker 4: do with her. That was kind of the story that
Speaker 4: she was told I know. However, she was happy to
Speaker 4: learn that that wasn't actually true, and Barney immediately made
Speaker 4: arrangements to reunite with her at his daughter's house in Chandler,
Speaker 4: So March twenty third, nineteen ninety two, a few weeks
Speaker 4: after the broadcast, they are able to reunite. They are
Speaker 4: thrilled to see each other, and they're happy that this
Speaker 4: whole search is over. And his only regret was that
Speaker 4: he wasn't able to find her obviously before their mother
Speaker 4: had passed away. And she expressed on the unsolved mysteries
Speaker 4: update the joy that she felt, and she's now happy
Speaker 4: to believe that she has two families that love her
Speaker 4: instead of just one. So that afternoon, Barney and Martha
Speaker 4: Martha Jean began to fill in details of the years
Speaker 4: they had spent apart, happy to learn that even with
Speaker 4: her disabilities, that she had been raised in a loving
Speaker 4: home and was very well taken care of by her
Speaker 4: adopted family. He's very grateful about that, and that he
Speaker 4: considers this one of the high points in his life.
Speaker 6: So, yeah, there you go.
Speaker 4: And he ended up living till March twenty third, two
Speaker 4: thy nineteen, and passed away at the age of ninety
Speaker 4: years old. So he died on March twenty third, twenty nineteen.
Speaker 6: And they reunited on March twenty.
Speaker 4: Third, Yes, nineteen ninety two. That is that gave me goosebumps. Bin,
Speaker 4: I did not even put that together. Yeah, there you go.
Speaker 4: God works some mysterious ways.
Speaker 3: Huh.
Speaker 4: So, yeah, she's still I couldn't find any record of
Speaker 4: her passing. But I mean twenty nineteen, she was eight
Speaker 4: in nineteen forty one, Well, she.
Speaker 6: Was born in nineteen thirty three, so she's almost one hundred.
Speaker 4: If she is still alive, Yeah, I should look up.
Speaker 4: I didn't look up that camp of it up in uh.
Speaker 6: Right, nineteen thirty three, so she'd be ninety two years old.
Speaker 4: I could not find any record that she had passed away.
Speaker 4: It's hard because she's got two names, like on the
Speaker 4: Unsolved Mysteries her she goes by her.
Speaker 7: That's the name she worked by most of her life,
Speaker 7: which Smith is a very common last name she is.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean camp Verde is a very very tiny,
Speaker 4: tiny community, So if she lived there for as long
Speaker 4: as she did, I'm sure that there are people that
Speaker 4: are aware of who she is. So yeah, So to
Speaker 4: answer some of your questions, I did do some research
Speaker 4: in on this man. What was infuriating in a way
Speaker 4: is that this tiny, smaller Texas town where he's from.
Speaker 4: He's like buried in a place of honor, like with
Speaker 4: a plaque, and there's like write ups in the newspaper.
Speaker 4: There's all kinds of like things about in the in
Speaker 4: the museum. I think that these the This is very
Speaker 4: evident to me that this man was not doing things correctly.
Speaker 4: For thousands of people to go through his orphanage, for
Speaker 4: him to be so uber wealthy in a time where
Speaker 4: money was hard to come by, and on top of
Speaker 4: that that most of the families whose children were missing
Speaker 4: were impoverished. This man, in my opinion, with and I mean,
Speaker 4: here's it, he's dead. I can say whatever I want
Speaker 4: to him about him. I think he's a terrible human
Speaker 4: being who was human trafficking children and taking advantage of
Speaker 4: vulnerable people and pretending to be the sweet revend with
Speaker 4: a candy in his pocket and dressing kids up and
Speaker 4: feeling put in their bellies. And it seems like we're
Speaker 4: I'm grateful that this Smith family took this girl in
Speaker 4: and gave her a good life. According to her, however,
Speaker 4: this boy was given to his secretary to be a
Speaker 4: labor producer. I don't does that answer any of the
Speaker 4: question you and I both had questions when we were
Speaker 4: watching this.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, I just it was pretty evident that
Speaker 6: there was so much more of this story.
Speaker 4: I found a Facebook post about him and kind of
Speaker 4: just like glorifying him, and I, I.
Speaker 7: Mean, it's it's pretty clear though. We've now covered multiple things.
Speaker 7: We've covered the Tennessee. We've covered the trains from New York.
Speaker 7: That wasn't someone kidnapping them. That was so many kids
Speaker 7: were homeless on the streets. Yeah, New York was trying.
Speaker 7: They were trying to push them into an area where
Speaker 7: maybe they could have a better thing.
Speaker 6: But unfortunately, unfortunately we took advantage of that and looked
Speaker 6: for what do Yeah, they saw free labor and families.
Speaker 7: Brothers and sisters were separating. That was one of the
Speaker 7: stories we had with them. I was separated from a
Speaker 7: sister and.
Speaker 6: He was looking.
Speaker 7: Like we are said, this world we don't even understand
Speaker 7: because twenty twenty six does not even function anywhere close.
Speaker 7: Yeah to this, that's not a justification at all.
Speaker 4: I just I don't with that said, you, as a
Speaker 4: man of God, were profiting off children, ripping them away
Speaker 4: from their families. You if you had so much money,
Speaker 4: why weren't you trying to lift these families up? Why
Speaker 4: weren't you providing food or clothing or education for them? Instead,
Speaker 4: you saw this as an opportunity to serve yourself, to
Speaker 4: make money off of them, and to appear to be
Speaker 4: doing it in some good graces, like a man that is.
Speaker 6: Low lo low.
Speaker 7: At the end of the day, these two kids were
Speaker 7: kidnapped from them parents, and it was separated from his
Speaker 7: sister for fifty years.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and that's terrible. Yeah, and yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 4: I'm not an investigative journalist. I'll tell you what. If
Speaker 4: you live down in Texas, this would be an amazing piece.
Speaker 4: I think it would be an amazing write up. To
Speaker 4: kind of do a deep dive, to be able to
Speaker 4: go to the archives, to be able to interview people.
Speaker 4: I think it would be really fascinating and to I
Speaker 4: don't know right or wrong, I guess would be potentially
Speaker 4: to just find out some answers. I know there's not
Speaker 4: going to be any justice for some of these people,
Speaker 4: but to maybe shine a light on maybe something not good.
Speaker 4: What do you have for us, Benjamin, I.
Speaker 7: Have a terrible story for you. Buckle up, Buttercup, all right,
Speaker 7: I got the story of Joe and Mattie Harvey. Some murder,
Speaker 7: a murder, I was told, I don't say that anymore.
Speaker 7: Mud all right, but this is a terrible story. I
Speaker 7: don't like this story.
Speaker 6: It kills me.
Speaker 4: Man uh More.
Speaker 3: Casino Comerica Social Casino.
Speaker 8: Welcome to Moto Casino, where the excitement never ends.
Speaker 14: With thousands of the hottest free to play social casino games,
Speaker 14: fatsest payouts.
Speaker 8: And the best promotions in the industry, no tricks or gimmicks.
Speaker 3: Owned and operated in the USA.
Speaker 13: Moto Casino a free to play lot casino no but
Speaker 13: just necessary twenty one plus to play void for prohibited.
Speaker 8: Sign up today for a generous welcome bonus, Mo.
Speaker 3: Casina Mecasocial Casino.
Speaker 8: Download the Moto Casino app today.
Speaker 11: Do you owe more than your car is worth? Is
Speaker 11: your interest rate too high? Need a lower payment?
Speaker 1: Now?
Speaker 10: Come into Volkswagen Clearlake and pick your promotion. One trade
Speaker 10: in your car with our incredible buyout program. Two upgrade
Speaker 10: to a new twenty twenty six Volkswagen at least like
Speaker 10: the twenty twenty six jen As for just one ninety
Speaker 10: nine a month, or three get our rate reduction We're
Speaker 10: offering four point nine percent APR for eighty four months
Speaker 10: on early every DW on our lot.
Speaker 11: Pick your promotion today at Volkswagen Clearlake. Visit BW like
Speaker 11: dot com.
Speaker 14: Call two two eight two six ninety for full details offers.
Speaker 14: In June thirtieth, twenty twenty six.
Speaker 7: Joe and Mattie are Harvey are amazing people. They own
Speaker 7: a little gas station, a little grocery store in Lewis Chapel, Mountain, Tennessee.
Speaker 7: And I want to go there and live there. From
Speaker 7: the pictures I saw, I'm in, I'm here.
Speaker 4: Did you look up the town currently? No?
Speaker 6: No, what's it called Lewis Chapel.
Speaker 4: Lewis Chapel, Mountain, Tennessee.
Speaker 7: It's just outside of Chattanooga, which Chattanooga is beautiful. So
Speaker 7: also there was a gas station.
Speaker 6: I told you.
Speaker 7: It was also a repair shop. I think Joe worked
Speaker 7: on some cars. It was the only place to kind
Speaker 7: of get grocery, some groceries for miles, and it was
Speaker 7: it was a gathering place.
Speaker 6: People came there, they hung out.
Speaker 7: And Joe and Maddie which I guess Maddie went by
Speaker 7: teat because they're interviewing family members and they're callin he
Speaker 7: teat all the time.
Speaker 15: And uh, which I do you know what a pig
Speaker 15: nipple is called a teat? It's just very close. Like
Speaker 15: it just was making me like, please don't if someone
Speaker 15: called me a teat. I don't think I would think
Speaker 15: of that at. Her name was That's what she went by. Okay,
Speaker 15: I will call her Maddy. But they they loved people
Speaker 15: coming in, They talked to people. They just were a
Speaker 15: very big staple. They were an older couple that all
Speaker 15: in this place, and they were a big staple in
Speaker 15: this town.
Speaker 6: Everyone loved him. They get his brother in there.
Speaker 7: He's talking and he's saying, you know, they they didn't
Speaker 7: have a bank account, which makes sense for people that
Speaker 7: probably grew up around the depression. They kept cash receipts
Speaker 7: and a lot of cash like in their in their
Speaker 7: home because you know, like I said, they didn't really
Speaker 7: trust guess stations. So he says, like I tried to
Speaker 7: tell him to get a bank account, put it in there.
Speaker 6: They didn't think. He even said, I told I told
Speaker 6: him to get a gun to protect themselves. Why would
Speaker 6: we need to do that.
Speaker 7: We know we're in this small town. We trust everybody
Speaker 7: and they're just very trusting people. So but unfortunately, on
Speaker 7: March fourth, nineteen ninety one, the sheriff is called because
Speaker 7: guess what, the store is not opened by nine am,
Speaker 7: and no one can remember the last time that that
Speaker 7: has happened, So of course they call the sheriff, and
Speaker 7: we get the sheriff Joe May out.
Speaker 6: It looks like he's the.
Speaker 7: Only law enforcement guy in this town, which probably tracks
Speaker 7: for that town, and he shows up. He goes to
Speaker 7: the house, He gets in there and he notices something's wrong.
Speaker 7: He goes in the house and inside the house it's
Speaker 7: all burnt up. The house is not burned down to
Speaker 7: the ground, but the inside is like charred. And then
Speaker 7: as he goes outside, he's going down the steps from
Speaker 7: the house and he notices like blood spots and stuff
Speaker 7: on the stairs, so he knows instantly. He says, something's
Speaker 7: going on, So he calls TBI, the Tennessee Bureau of Investigations.
Speaker 7: They come out and they start doing an investigation. One
Speaker 7: thing that they notice is there is a gas can,
Speaker 7: like a gallon gas can on the counter. Blood spots
Speaker 7: throughout the house, at least that they can find that's
Speaker 7: not burnt up. We get Bill Pope, who is the
Speaker 7: district attorney general. He says, listen, we're told these two
Speaker 7: people they're missing. The house is burnt up. We all
Speaker 7: come to find out they keep money in the house.
Speaker 7: So obviously that leads the investigation that this was a
Speaker 7: possible robbery, and you know, obviously they think that this
Speaker 7: might be a murder. We learned that Joe and Maddie
Speaker 7: they didn't have children of their own, but they had
Speaker 7: a lot of family in this little town, and they
Speaker 7: had nieces and nephews, and they were very close with
Speaker 7: all of their extended family. And they were extremely close
Speaker 7: with their twenty seven year old niece, Cheryl Holland, who
Speaker 7: also had a daughter of her own, a five year
Speaker 7: old I learned later a son, I guess. They say
Speaker 7: they treated her like their daughter. They loved her, and
Speaker 7: they loved her daughter, that she came in, she hung out,
Speaker 7: They would do anything for her, but crazy. A week
Speaker 7: after Joe and Maddie go missing. Because technically they're missing,
Speaker 7: we've got a crime scene. Cheryl has disappeared trucks at
Speaker 7: a truck stop about two hours away. They find her
Speaker 7: truck abandoned Keyser in the truck. There's a necklace on
Speaker 7: the ground, her wallet and ID and everything is in
Speaker 7: the car. Bill Pope, who's the I told you the
Speaker 7: district attorney general, He says, listen, he is strange. The
Speaker 7: crime scene looks like she was abducted, and he says, now,
Speaker 7: we're really concerned. She's two hours away. We have three
Speaker 7: immediate family members missing.
Speaker 4: And a charredhouse.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Also, I found us a house in this area.
Speaker 6: Perfect.
Speaker 4: There is twelve acres, three bedroom, two baths, twenty seven
Speaker 4: hundred square feet. It's only listed like at five point forty.
Speaker 4: It has nothing but forest around it. It's super isolated here.
Speaker 6: I'm there.
Speaker 4: It's got like a garden in the front.
Speaker 6: I'm sold.
Speaker 4: There are trees for days. There's a huge front porch.
Speaker 6: Stop telling people about this place. If I could sell
Speaker 6: everything I own and move and not talk to another
Speaker 6: soul for the rest.
Speaker 4: Of my life life ceiling, two floor, all.
Speaker 7: Wood, I'm telling you I got I would move to
Speaker 7: a secluded place and not took to another soul for
Speaker 7: the rest of my life.
Speaker 6: I'd be okay with that.
Speaker 4: Well, you still have to talk to our friends podcast.
Speaker 6: I talk to you, I don't talk to them.
Speaker 4: Okay, sorry, I'm going to be looking on Zilla, but
Speaker 4: I'm also listening to your story.
Speaker 6: To listen to my story. Now Cheryl has disappeared.
Speaker 7: We're concerned, what I say, The Tennessee Bureau of Investigation
Speaker 7: are investigating. So guess what they bring in. They bring
Speaker 7: in Cheryl's They call him her common law husband, Eddie.
Speaker 6: Eddie does not seem there is no whoo whooping there.
Speaker 4: It is no this guy. We're yeah, not to give anywhere,
Speaker 4: but he's not cool.
Speaker 7: I probably she just seems like a crazy character. Okay,
Speaker 7: So they start questioning Eddie, what's going on? You know,
Speaker 7: where was Sheryl? When did you last see her? He
Speaker 7: they pretty much they don't tell us the exactly what
Speaker 7: he said. His story is not making sense. They bring
Speaker 7: him in again on March tenth. So now we're, you know,
Speaker 7: about a week after this is all that this has happened.
Speaker 7: They are trying to get to the bottom of this,
Speaker 7: and they're like, listen, tell us what's going on.
Speaker 6: So Eddie says, look, in late February, he.
Speaker 7: Took Cheryl to Knoxville to a hospital to get some
Speaker 7: treatment done for cancer. Supposedly, it was a week long
Speaker 7: treatment for stomach cancer. But when they asked, well, what
Speaker 7: was the name of the hospital, he can name it right,
Speaker 7: And they find out that Cheryl had been borrowing money
Speaker 7: from family members and friends for supposed cancer treatments.
Speaker 4: It's insane how many times people use cancer to take
Speaker 4: advantage of people.
Speaker 6: It's back then, though, it.
Speaker 4: Was say that is actually quite she was ahead of
Speaker 4: her hid which is not a brag.
Speaker 6: So they come to.
Speaker 7: Find out after they've already been doing the digging, Eddie's
Speaker 7: Story's now matched up because the week they were supposed
Speaker 7: to be in Knoxville at this cancer treatment, she was
Speaker 7: working at her truck stop in Chattanooga, which was her
Speaker 7: job at the time. He's like, so, how could she
Speaker 7: be in Chattanooga and Knoxville at the same time.
Speaker 6: She couldn't be.
Speaker 7: They they pretty much they put the screws Daddy. He's like, listen,
Speaker 7: we already know what you're telling us is BS, so
Speaker 7: spill the guts. So I'm getting to the next page
Speaker 7: of my notes and he broke and he said, Okay,
Speaker 7: if I tell.
Speaker 6: You what's going to happen, broke quick. Yeah, yeah, he
Speaker 6: keels over pretty quick. Yeah.
Speaker 7: He spills the beans pretty quick. He says, Okay, if
Speaker 7: I tell you what happens, what's.
Speaker 6: Going to happen to me?
Speaker 4: Like, uh, probably not good.
Speaker 6: Yeah, anyway, so he says.
Speaker 7: On March second, Cheryl comes home and says, listen, we
Speaker 7: need more money.
Speaker 6: I don't know what for. We don't get that information,
Speaker 6: but she clearly waiting.
Speaker 4: For them to be like there was a gambling problem
Speaker 4: or drug addiction or or insane debt. There never seems
Speaker 4: to be anything other than greed.
Speaker 7: That's what it appears from the story from what Yeah,
Speaker 7: Eddie's not working, she's working at the gas station or
Speaker 7: the truck stop. She comes on and says, we need
Speaker 7: more money, and I know where to get it from.
Speaker 4: He could get a job at any point.
Speaker 6: You are correct.
Speaker 4: I think even if he did, it wasn't going to satisfy.
Speaker 18: Well.
Speaker 6: I just I guess what I'm saying is if you
Speaker 6: already got this in your mind, you were going to
Speaker 6: get there eventually.
Speaker 4: I'm just the same thing. Motive obviously is important for
Speaker 4: human beings to rationalize, like how did this happen? These
Speaker 4: people are living in the backwoods, and I hear I'm
Speaker 4: not saying that as a knock on Tennessee. I love Tennessee,
Speaker 4: but they're listening. They're living in podunk middle of nowhere.
Speaker 4: We're cost of living I'm going to guess is next to.
Speaker 6: Actually in nineteen ninety one, that's what I mean.
Speaker 4: That was the time to live in Tennessee. Because now
Speaker 4: because everything's expensive, everyone moved away from Tennessee. Don't go there.
Speaker 6: It's terrible.
Speaker 4: It's terrible. You won't like it, but that's it's not you.
Speaker 17: Ain't heard about.
Speaker 11: Moto Casino.
Speaker 17: Moto has real Vegas slots. Any game you can find
Speaker 17: on the floor in Vegas, you can play it on Moto.
Speaker 17: I like my slots hot. Moto's free to play, like
Speaker 17: food stamps, in line at the grocery store, at a funeral,
Speaker 17: in traffic, keep guys on the road, hop on Moto Casino.
Speaker 17: If Mono Casino got jackpons that are bigger than my bed,
Speaker 17: Moto America's hotest free to play social casino.
Speaker 13: Download the Moto Casino up today. Moto Casinos the social
Speaker 13: casino boid with phabity No but just necessarily is it?
Speaker 13: Moto Docu West from Mortegas.
Speaker 3: Casino Medio Desno.
Speaker 11: Do you know more than your car?
Speaker 3: Is worth.
Speaker 10: It's your interest rate too high. Need a lower payment.
Speaker 10: Now Come in the Volkswagen clear Like and pick your
Speaker 10: promotion one. Trade in your car with our credit. We'll
Speaker 10: buy out program too. Upgrade to a new twenty twenty
Speaker 10: six Volkswag at least like the twenty twenty six Jenass
Speaker 10: for just one ninety nine.
Speaker 11: A month or three get our rate reduction.
Speaker 10: We're offering four point nine percent APR for eighty four
Speaker 10: months on early every DW on our lot. Pick your
Speaker 10: promotion today at Volkswagen clear Like. Visit bwaclear Like dot.
Speaker 14: Com call a FI five two two eight two six
Speaker 14: ninety for full details. Offers in June thirty at twenty
Speaker 14: twenty six.
Speaker 4: That's the other thing, too, is where she was living.
Speaker 4: Unless there was a drug habit, It's not like she
Speaker 4: was shopping at Gucci and ordering stuff on Amazon and
Speaker 4: pretending to be It makes no sense of her behavior
Speaker 4: other than simple.
Speaker 6: It was so what I'm saying. Yeah, I think if
Speaker 6: it wasn't that, it would have been something else.
Speaker 4: That got She just was not a good person apparently. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I mean to lie about cancer and.
Speaker 7: Then you're already spoiling these hurry so she says, we
Speaker 7: need more money. So they go and they buy a
Speaker 7: gas in they fill it up. They say they went
Speaker 7: to her parents' house first, and then they go to
Speaker 7: Joe and Maddie's house.
Speaker 6: Okay, and let me paint you.
Speaker 7: They have a single cab truck and the rein actor
Speaker 7: and I'm going I guess that they that this single cab,
Speaker 7: tiny Chevy yellow truck. They leave their six week old
Speaker 7: son and five year old daughter in the truck. As
Speaker 7: they get out, Eddie's telling the story. They're on the
Speaker 7: stairs going up to the house and she says to Eddie,
Speaker 7: did you bring the gun? And he's like, why do
Speaker 7: I need to bring the gun? She goes, because we're
Speaker 7: going to have to kill him. And then he says,
Speaker 7: do we really have to kill him? She's like, then,
Speaker 7: I'm just going to give the money up willingly. We're
Speaker 7: going to have to kill him. And according to Eddie,
Speaker 7: he doesn't really want any part of this whole story,
Speaker 7: but he does it anyway because of his common law wife, Cheryl.
Speaker 6: They walk in. Joe's on the couch watching TV. She's like,
Speaker 6: oh hey. Joe's like, oh hey, Cheryl, how's it going.
Speaker 6: She goes where you know, where's t oh She's in
Speaker 6: the back.
Speaker 7: Eddie or Eddie then walks up, boom shoots Joe on
Speaker 7: the head. Tea comes out, Boom shoots her in the head.
Speaker 7: They then take the bodies and shove it in there
Speaker 7: the trunk of their own car. Joe and Manny's car,
Speaker 7: and Cheryl their kids are in the truck in the driveway.
Speaker 6: I know, I guess.
Speaker 7: Supposedly Cheryl told Eddie go tell the kids to get
Speaker 7: down on the floorboards, because, like I said, they want
Speaker 7: the kids seeing them.
Speaker 4: I cannot imagine that these are like super safety cautious parents.
Speaker 7: Either it's a single cap truck and you're putting four
Speaker 7: people like a six week old six weeks old, I.
Speaker 4: Know these are human garbage.
Speaker 7: Back So Cheryl then gets in the car and drives
Speaker 7: it across the border to the Alabama to bridge Port
Speaker 7: Ferry along the Tennessee River, and she diches the car
Speaker 7: into the river. They get in their truck and they
Speaker 7: drive away. He then says, Cheryl returns to the house,
Speaker 7: steals one hundred and fifty thousand dollars from the house,
Speaker 7: or just goes to show these people have all this
Speaker 7: money what hidden in their house because it's probably cheap
Speaker 7: to live in.
Speaker 6: These people are just simple people giving a service to
Speaker 6: the community.
Speaker 4: Yes, absolutely, and I bet if they asked, yeah, they
Speaker 4: would have helped her nace out. Yes, I'm sure they
Speaker 4: would have. They seem like those kind of people. Clearly,
Speaker 4: do we ever find out why she went to her
Speaker 4: mom's house? First? Do you think that her mom now
Speaker 4: dodged a bullet? Like literally speaking I have no idea,
Speaker 4: makes you wonder, Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 7: So steals one hundred and fifty thousand dollars hat from
Speaker 7: the house and then sets the house on fire, but
Speaker 7: the house doesn't burn.
Speaker 4: So these people literally can't do anything right. So they
Speaker 4: can't parent, rite, they can't license, they can't set a
Speaker 4: house on fire correctly, like they are idiots.
Speaker 7: Yeah, the inside of the house burns because you actually see,
Speaker 7: like file they say file footers, you see the inside
Speaker 7: of the house and it is charred. But for some reason,
Speaker 7: the whole house doesn't go up in flames. And they
Speaker 7: never say why, I mean, but it doesn't. So obviously
Speaker 7: they're there. They're investigating. Cheryl comes back to the scene
Speaker 7: two days later, which he is a psychopath, because that
Speaker 7: is what. Well, I think she comes back and realized this,
Speaker 7: holy crap, the house didn't burn to the ground.
Speaker 4: You didn't stay and wait and watch.
Speaker 6: And guess what. The investigators pull out of the house.
Speaker 18: And share start in the re enactment. They pull out
Speaker 18: the gas can, the gas can. Guess what's on the
Speaker 18: bottom of the gas can? A thumbprint?
Speaker 4: Literally, plain is David didn't even have to dust for it,
Speaker 4: you guys.
Speaker 7: I guess yeah, Like they're showing it at least in
Speaker 7: the reenactor like, oh, hey, check this out. We got
Speaker 7: a fingerprint, yea. Guess what it matches the thumb print
Speaker 7: of Cheryl Holland guess what? Then Cheryl does own disappears.
Speaker 4: And I will say this again, no shade of these cops,
Speaker 4: but once again, this is a tiny well you said what,
Speaker 4: there's like one police officer or something in this.
Speaker 6: Sheriff called the right people. That's what they came in
Speaker 6: and within by March March tenth, so within a week.
Speaker 6: But that is what I mean is that they were
Speaker 6: on this immediately. Obviously these criminals are idiots too.
Speaker 4: They literally thought that they probably got away with it
Speaker 4: scott free and within ours if not a day or two,
Speaker 4: they were on the right track. But yeah, this sheriff
Speaker 4: in a tiny little town, being a of one person.
Speaker 4: Probably this was way outside of his work.
Speaker 6: Absolutely, I need I need more expertise anymore. Any more.
Speaker 4: People that are could say that more often.
Speaker 6: Let's what I say. This sheriff deserves a lot of credit.
Speaker 6: He said.
Speaker 7: Listen, and he noticed something's wrong. Obviously, that inside of
Speaker 7: a house is something terrible's happened. This is now getting
Speaker 7: too too far into what I'm capable of doing. Let
Speaker 7: me call the right people, and the right people come
Speaker 7: in and they do a good job, and the right
Speaker 7: people are.
Speaker 4: Able to figure out pretty quickly that they've got two
Speaker 4: idiots that they're looking for.
Speaker 6: They've got her thumbprint instantly. Yeah, so so she gone.
Speaker 17: You ain't heard about Moto Casino. Moto has real Vegas slots.
Speaker 17: Any game you can find on the floor in Vegas,
Speaker 17: you can play it on Moto.
Speaker 6: I like my slots Hot.
Speaker 17: Moto's free to play. Like food stamps in line at
Speaker 17: the grocery store, at a funeral in trap and keep
Speaker 17: grounds on the road, Hop on Moto Casino. Moto Casino
Speaker 17: got jack ponds that are bigger than my bed. Modo
Speaker 17: America's hot. It's free to play Social Casino.
Speaker 13: Download the Moto Casino AUP today Moto Casino Social Casino boid.
Speaker 13: We're phiboited now, but just a thirty visit MOTODOCU West Mortigate.
Speaker 3: Casino been dug.
Speaker 19: There's nowhere I wouldn't go to help someone customize and
Speaker 19: save on car insurance with Liberty Mutual, even if it
Speaker 19: means sitting front row at a comedy show.
Speaker 16: Hey everyone, check out this guy and his bird. What
Speaker 16: is this your first day?
Speaker 9: Oh no, we help people customize and save on car
Speaker 9: insurance with Liberty Mutual.
Speaker 6: Together.
Speaker 11: We're married. Need to a human, him to a bird.
Speaker 16: Yeah, the bird looks ound of your leg.
Speaker 9: Anyways, get a quote at Libertymutual dot com or with
Speaker 9: your local agents Liberty.
Speaker 7: So they then do go to the Tennessee River and
Speaker 7: April seventeenth, they find the car.
Speaker 6: Oh my gosh.
Speaker 7: Inside the trunk of the car is the body that
Speaker 7: breaks my goals shark in the head.
Speaker 6: Yeah, terrible, Yeah it is. It's awful. So they finally car,
Speaker 6: they get him out. So Eddie's charged with first degree murder.
Speaker 7: They issue a warrant for Cheryl as they are now
Speaker 7: trying to track her whereabouts.
Speaker 6: They do tell this.
Speaker 7: It's kind of weird, but they're just they're trying to say, hey, listen,
Speaker 7: this is what we know so far. Cheryl was supposedly
Speaker 7: seen at a gas station being followed by a bearded man.
Speaker 7: Didn't look like she wanted to talk to him. Supposedly
Speaker 7: they had witnesses saying that he was in a truck
Speaker 7: following her. So they like, they get Bill Pope and
Speaker 7: there he's like, listen, this is what we know. He
Speaker 7: might be involved or he might not.
Speaker 6: We don't know.
Speaker 7: Was she forced by this guy, But at the end
Speaker 7: of the day, we believe she's involved in some way.
Speaker 4: She's with a bearded man somewhere, so she.
Speaker 7: Was either abducted by him and maybe he was forcing her,
Speaker 7: we don't know, or she connocted this whole plan.
Speaker 6: Yeah, at the end of the day, we want to know.
Speaker 7: I will say, does break my heart because Cheryl's sisters
Speaker 7: interviewed and she believes wholeheartedly. My sister, I don't think
Speaker 7: did this. I think Eddie did something to her. She
Speaker 7: was forced into this. She was just trying to protect
Speaker 7: her kids, and she even thinks, I don't even think.
Speaker 7: I think Eddie probably killed her and Jesus. So that's
Speaker 7: where also mysteries leave us. Eddie Wilton is at.
Speaker 4: This time half of yeah, half of the duo has
Speaker 4: been caught.
Speaker 7: Being charged with first degree mr. They want Cheryl. Clearly,
Speaker 7: she is involved to some extent.
Speaker 4: We have some questions for her.
Speaker 6: She's got a fingerprint on a guess can and I mean,
Speaker 6: here's the thing.
Speaker 4: Where are the children?
Speaker 6: They I don't know. They interview.
Speaker 7: The brother in law and he says, listen, Eddie has
Speaker 7: only been in the picture for a year. He didn't
Speaker 7: even know that Joe and Maddy had cashed at the house.
Speaker 7: He wouldn't have even known. Cheryl is the only one
Speaker 7: that knew. He thinks one hundred percent Chryl's involved. Yeah,
Speaker 7: he says, this guy hasn't even been around long enough
Speaker 7: to know the ins and outs of our family. Got
Speaker 7: it Okay, So that's where's misters. We're looking for Cheryl.
Speaker 4: What are the of the date of state?
Speaker 6: Within an hour of the broadcast?
Speaker 4: I love when I hear that.
Speaker 7: Within an hour of the broadcast, they collin, Hey, we
Speaker 7: think we know Cheryl She's an employe at a gas
Speaker 7: station in Austin, Texas. They interview the deputy she shows up, says, hey, lady,
Speaker 7: are you Cheryl Holland? She goes, yes, I am. She
Speaker 7: places her under arrest. Cheryl Holland then says to her boss,
Speaker 7: I got into trouble. Yeah, because they interview her boss.
Speaker 4: We're going to be making it to work.
Speaker 7: She was working under the name Amy Forrester, had a
Speaker 7: fake ID, living a whole new life in Austin, Texas.
Speaker 7: Which that's why I say the whole beard man that like,
Speaker 7: they were telling that because at the time, they're just
Speaker 7: they were trying to track her whereabouts that she was
Speaker 7: last seen and they didn't know. It's clear she just
Speaker 7: took a new identity and high tailed it to Austin, Texas.
Speaker 7: She's brought back to Tennessee. She's charged for first degree murder.
Speaker 7: She is facing the death penalty. Guess what Cheryl does.
Speaker 7: She pleads guilty to two counts of first degree murder.
Speaker 7: I did my research. I found out they offered they
Speaker 7: offered her as she pled guilty to first degree murder,
Speaker 7: they would take the death penalty off the table. Both
Speaker 7: her and Eddie pleaded guilty to first agree murder. They
Speaker 7: both were sentenced to life in prison.
Speaker 6: So Cheryl was involved.
Speaker 7: Cheryl had a major part in this and to the
Speaker 7: point where she was she pleaded guilty. Eddie has died
Speaker 7: in prison. I looked it up. Cheryl is still in prison.
Speaker 7: I found her picture, found her record in the Tennessee
Speaker 7: prison system. She's eligible for her first parole hearing in
Speaker 7: twenty twenty seven.
Speaker 4: Ooh, interesting. Well, we'll have to keep an eye on
Speaker 4: check and see if she's able.
Speaker 6: I hope she doesn't get it.
Speaker 4: I hope she doesn't either.
Speaker 6: She shot her aunt and uncle in the head. I'm
Speaker 6: not say she was part of a plan.
Speaker 4: She orchestrated the whole thing.
Speaker 6: She could have been the one to pull the trigger.
Speaker 6: We have no idea. At the end of the day,
Speaker 6: they're both responsible. They both texted me with their two
Speaker 6: children in the car and all to steal their aunt
Speaker 6: uncle's money. Like I don't know, I just yeah, it
Speaker 6: was funny, because not funny, it just it was sad.
Speaker 6: They tell them when they found the car and the
Speaker 6: sheriff comes out, and it is clear that this sheriff
Speaker 6: hasn't had to deal with a lot of terrible things,
Speaker 6: and that makes me happy. Yeah, because he says he
Speaker 6: was the one that had to identify the bodies, and
Speaker 6: you can see it in his eyes. He was tore up,
Speaker 6: Yeah by having So.
Speaker 7: Why I'm saying that is it is clear that these
Speaker 7: were very good people, a very big part of that community,
Speaker 7: and that lady and her common law husband.
Speaker 4: What the f ever, dude, they are losing cold blooded
Speaker 4: murder for no flipping reason.
Speaker 7: So now she's got her parole, her first parole hearing
Speaker 7: in twenty twenty seven. I hope she doesn't get out.
Speaker 4: I hope it's tolet me to send an email. I'm
Speaker 4: really good at sending emails for people that are about
Speaker 4: to come up for parole and say why I think
Speaker 4: they shouldn't.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, I just I do hope she does
Speaker 7: spend the rest of her life in She to ice
Speaker 7: on an updated picture.
Speaker 6: She looks old, and she does now look like prison
Speaker 6: has been kind to her.
Speaker 4: They don't have botox in prison. That's your story, all right,
Speaker 4: Before we get into my story and our last story.
Speaker 4: I thought it would be fun to read a few
Speaker 4: of our reviews SOD. The title of the review is
Speaker 4: love and This is from a pod Junkie nine and
Speaker 4: it said happy to have found a new podcast to
Speaker 4: binge explanation mark, thank you pod junkie nine. Okay. And
Speaker 4: then the title of this review is for Unsolved Mystery
Speaker 4: fans and it is from the reviewer bashful Mama. That
Speaker 4: sounds kind of spicy. Bashful Bashful Mama says, I loved
Speaker 4: Unsolf Mysteries when I was growing up. The best part
Speaker 4: of the podcast is rehashing it with friends. Sierra and
Speaker 4: Ben make the pod feel like a conversation between friends.
Speaker 4: I love the updates. Some of these stories have stuck
Speaker 4: with us for a lifetime, and the update reminds us
Speaker 4: of that. Hope, I think that's awesome. Yes, bashful Mama,
Speaker 4: I'm glad that you're sitting around. I literally said to
Speaker 4: Ben today. One of the things I love about our podcast,
Speaker 4: at least I hope our listeners is it they feel
Speaker 4: like they're sitting around having a conversation with friends. We
Speaker 4: got a little while last week, because can we all
Speaker 4: just talk about Ben's giggling last week? If I'm really
Speaker 4: good at tech, maybe I'll cut in. I'm going to
Speaker 4: say it, and I'm just gonna start dropping it in.
Speaker 4: I think so for anyone who listened to last week,
Speaker 4: I actually cut quite a bit of the giggles out.
Speaker 4: But Ben, no joke, you guys is belly laughing, which
Speaker 4: I'm sure most of you guys know right now by
Speaker 4: now that you feel like you know Ben pretty well,
Speaker 4: that's not a common occurrence.
Speaker 7: I don't belly laugh a lot of things. But I
Speaker 7: lost it last week. So I asked for and it wasn't.
Speaker 4: Well, if you would like to be in charge of
Speaker 4: the editing, then you can.
Speaker 6: I might have to.
Speaker 4: Maybe that's what I need to start doing, guys. I
Speaker 4: need to play Ben's trick on himself and just do
Speaker 4: things that make him uncomfortable enough that he's like, I'll
Speaker 4: just do it myself. Don't tell Ben that that's our plan. Okay,
Speaker 4: this is the last one I'll read for I think
Speaker 4: every every week I'm going to try to read a few.
Speaker 4: So the title of the review reads the og true
Speaker 4: crime and this is from VOD girl, and this one
Speaker 4: you'll like. I like the skeptical oh excuse me, coughed.
Speaker 4: I like the skeptical take in parentheses, especially from the husband.
Speaker 6: Am I the husband? Yeah?
Speaker 4: On Unsolved Mystery episodes which is still televised television good
Speaker 4: even with their flaws. I love the episode reviews.
Speaker 6: Do you think she means our flaws or the show's flaws.
Speaker 4: Which are still televised on Unsolved Mysteries episodes which are
Speaker 4: still televised, uh, which are which are Oh my gosh,
Speaker 4: you guys, this should not be this difficult. Why can't
Speaker 4: I read tonight? I like the skeptical take, especially from
Speaker 4: the husbands on Unsolved Mystery episodes which are still television
Speaker 4: good even with their flaws, which I'm gonna guess she
Speaker 4: meant to say, which is still good television and she
Speaker 4: just got the two words backwards. Are still good like television,
Speaker 4: even with their flaws. We've called out Unsolved Mystery for
Speaker 4: some of their things that are problematic, and I also
Speaker 4: love the episode reviews. I'm going to guess the reviews
Speaker 4: that we give when we like talk either good or
Speaker 4: bad about them. Okay, so those are three of our
Speaker 4: latest reviews. Hop on Apple podcast is the place that
Speaker 4: you can leave like a review with a rating. If
Speaker 4: you guys comment on Spotify and you leave like a
Speaker 4: fun comment, I can also read those out into the
Speaker 4: ethernet okay, So I'm gonna tell you guys about a
Speaker 4: bink rubbery. So we get at the top of the show.
Speaker 4: Robert Stax comes on, looking sharp with his trench coat
Speaker 4: and says, according to the FBI official reports, on any
Speaker 4: given day, at least forty banks are robbed at gunpoint,
Speaker 4: full stop. So I googled because I was like that
Speaker 4: that is a's a that's a lot of banks getting
Speaker 4: robbed at gunpoint. Forty per day is the average. So
Speaker 4: according to twenty twenty three FBI Bank Crime Statistics, there
Speaker 4: was about there were one two hundred and sixty three
Speaker 4: reported bank robberies in the United States, averaging out to
Speaker 4: three point four to six robberies per day nationwide. This
Speaker 4: is a significant decline from the past decades, and the
Speaker 4: vast majority of these actually are unarmed robberies.
Speaker 6: So I listened to a podcast a couple of weeks ago.
Speaker 4: Okay, and about sixty percent of the cases are cleared,
Speaker 4: which means forty percent of people are getting away with robbery.
Speaker 4: That's a I mean, if you're gambling on odds, no.
Speaker 6: Negative.
Speaker 7: So I just time I've mentioned this podcast, he says,
Speaker 7: I don't listen to a couple of podcasts, none of
Speaker 7: them true crime.
Speaker 4: I guess technically this is the kind of what true
Speaker 4: crime podcasts do you listen.
Speaker 6: To your mother?
Speaker 7: I'm supposed to say, I'm self compalled. It's called Infamous America.
Speaker 7: Great podcast, And he did like a six part series
Speaker 7: on the North Hollywood pink robbery, which is if you
Speaker 7: don't know anything about it, go worry about it is
Speaker 7: a wild and there's footage out there it. But he
Speaker 7: was talking he talks about in the beginning, like in
Speaker 7: the nineties, eighties and nineties bank robberies they were escalating massively,
Speaker 7: and also that it was it was rising with guns
Speaker 7: and violent, violent robbery.
Speaker 6: So this was a thing.
Speaker 7: Now it is definitely because banks have done a lot
Speaker 7: more to combat this, and obviously law enforcement's done a
Speaker 7: really good job to combat it.
Speaker 6: But yeah, like back then this was a problem.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I just think it's interesting that there's actually most
Speaker 4: of them are unarmed. What are you going in there
Speaker 4: than in doing?
Speaker 6: You see it?
Speaker 7: Like they come in, they slide and nope, they have
Speaker 7: their hand in their pocket, I guess. And at the
Speaker 7: end of the day, if you're a teller, there's no
Speaker 7: part risk. Why no it's not your money. I don't
Speaker 7: blame you, don't don't risk it.
Speaker 4: Even when I worked at the freaking Gap, maybe I
Speaker 4: should be giving secrets away. We were told like, even
Speaker 4: if you see someone like loading up their purse with inventory,
Speaker 4: it is not worth your safety or your risk to
Speaker 4: try to intervene with that. And so yeah, same way
Speaker 4: with that. Okay. So November thirteenth, nineteen ninety one, two
Speaker 4: armed bank robbers enter a bank in Henderson, Nevada. That's
Speaker 4: where our brother in law is from, Henderson, Nevada, an
Speaker 4: hour before opening. Okay, the bank manager, who is there,
Speaker 4: I think at the time by himself, felt that the
Speaker 4: robbers were experienced because they understood bank procedures. The robbers
Speaker 4: knew that the manager only had half of the vault
Speaker 4: combination and that they would have to wait for the vault.
Speaker 4: Tell her to arrive because she would have the second
Speaker 4: half of the combination and she was set to arrive
Speaker 4: at eight am. The first robber forced her to open
Speaker 4: the vault to help, like, so he he's there, gets him,
Speaker 4: makes him basically stand there and chill and be cool
Speaker 4: about it until the second lady come until the second
Speaker 4: person comes in who tries to leave out before the banks. Yeah,
Speaker 4: they go in. Only the manager's there.
Speaker 17: You ain't heard about Moto Casino. Moto has real Vegas slots.
Speaker 17: Any game you can find on the floor in Vegas,
Speaker 17: you can play it on Moto.
Speaker 3: I like my slots.
Speaker 17: Hot Moto's free to play. Like food stemps in line
Speaker 17: at the grocery store, at a funeral, in traffic, keep
Speaker 17: you grays on the road ip on Moto Casino. Moto
Speaker 17: Casino got jackponds that are bigger than my bed. Moto
Speaker 17: America's Hot.
Speaker 6: It's free to play Social Casino.
Speaker 8: Download the Moto Casino up today.
Speaker 13: Moto Casinos the Social Casino boyd with phibited No but
Speaker 13: just necessary visit Moto Docu, West, Mortigas Casinos, Cacine.
Speaker 19: Then, Doug, there's nowhere I wouldn't go to help someone
Speaker 19: customize and save on car insurance with Liberty Mutual, even
Speaker 19: if it means sitting front row at a comedy show.
Speaker 16: Hey, everyone, check out this guy in his bird. What
Speaker 16: is this your first day?
Speaker 9: Oh no, we help people customize and save on car
Speaker 9: insurance with Liberty Mutual. Together, we're married, me to a human,
Speaker 9: him to a bird.
Speaker 16: Yeah, the bird looks sound of your leg anyways.
Speaker 9: Get a quote at libertymutral dot com or with your
Speaker 9: local agents.
Speaker 4: They understand that he only has access to half a coat.
Speaker 4: They tell him play it cool as she comes in.
Speaker 4: That literally the moment she comes in her play it cool, bro,
Speaker 4: They grab her and they force both of them to
Speaker 4: open the vault. As the first robber stole the money.
Speaker 4: The second robber is holding up the teller for the
Speaker 4: vault manager that comes in. As they are standing there,
Speaker 4: two other tellers walk in. What a way to start
Speaker 4: your morning. Now you're literally probably been up for forty
Speaker 4: five minutes to an hour. You got your heels on,
Speaker 4: you got your coffee, you got your lunch backed. This
Speaker 4: is a bad freaking day at work and you walk in.
Speaker 4: In the moment you walk in, there's some crazy man
Speaker 4: in a terrible halloween mask with a gun telling you
Speaker 4: to stand against the wall.
Speaker 6: Do you think they walked in and saw.
Speaker 4: Like, I'm out, I don't want to deal with this today,
Speaker 4: I know, just turn around leave. Yeah. So we don't
Speaker 4: know exactly when because no one tells us, but at
Speaker 4: some point it seems that one of the employees is
Speaker 4: able to set a silent alarm, and as it's activated,
Speaker 4: and again I have a lot of questions about protocol
Speaker 4: around this, but this seemed to be the standard of
Speaker 4: the time. The police, instead of necessary responding right away,
Speaker 4: they they police dispatcher calls the bank to see if
Speaker 4: there's an actual robbery going on. I saw It's funny,
Speaker 4: because what are you supposed to say when you pick
Speaker 4: up that phone call, like, yes, we're being robbed, Like
Speaker 4: you got a gun at your back? Cool?
Speaker 6: I would imagine.
Speaker 7: They're told like, if anything seems off by the conversation,
Speaker 7: I'm sure.
Speaker 4: I just think it's like to me, I don't know,
Speaker 4: it just seems like counterintuitive a little bit. So okay,
Speaker 4: the police dispatch calls the bank, and the bank manager answers,
Speaker 4: and when the dispatcher asks if everything all right, he answers.
Speaker 4: I suppose the dispatcher took that as to mean that
Speaker 4: something wasn't correct. So the manager then gets off the
Speaker 4: phone and tells the robbers that the person calling was
Speaker 4: from the store across the street and they were concerned
Speaker 4: about a few things, and they had some questions, and
Speaker 4: so that he needs to go over across the street
Speaker 4: to have a conversation and straighten some stuff out or
Speaker 4: they might call the police. Pretty smart, pretty smart, I
Speaker 4: will say I this, I did not do anything wrong.
Speaker 4: But he has three females tied up against a wall
Speaker 4: and he's the only man in this situation, and he's like, oh,
Speaker 4: I gotta go by, and so he and he said,
Speaker 4: she in the calm down. I'm gonna get there, Ben,
Speaker 4: he says, and the thing like this was one of
Speaker 4: the hardest things he felt he had to do, but
Speaker 4: he wanted to also like get out so he could
Speaker 4: let the police know that there was a problem, because.
Speaker 6: He says, it's on the phone with the police that
Speaker 6: you got to be hanging up the phone and thinking
Speaker 6: did they get the message the message or did they not? Yeah,
Speaker 6: And then he's trying to use this as an opportunity
Speaker 6: to say I have to let someone know, someone that
Speaker 6: can do something.
Speaker 4: No, so he leaves the building and goes out and
Speaker 4: actually meets with officers who by now have been dispatched
Speaker 4: to the parking lot. And we're the people giving the
Speaker 4: interviews are from the bank robbery. They're the tellers, the employees,
Speaker 4: and they're in shadow. This was obviously this was I
Speaker 4: mean you are thinking you were this is your last
Speaker 4: day on earth. This was very traumatizing. And at this
Speaker 4: point they're being interviewed. These men have not been cut,
Speaker 4: so they're in shadow, and they share that the other robber,
Speaker 4: the second robber, who was only seemed to be their
Speaker 4: only job was to be with the hostages, is getting
Speaker 4: more and more agitated, which I am sure is so
Speaker 4: nerve wracking, and he is worried that the robbery is
Speaker 4: taking too long, and it's like mumbling under his breath
Speaker 4: and acting really erratic, and the first robber comes out
Speaker 4: and decides to take the vault teller hostage. This because
Speaker 4: we're gonna find out the FI believes that these two
Speaker 4: men are connected to a series of robberies as of yet,
Speaker 4: as of this one, no hostages had been hurt or
Speaker 4: removed from the scene. So he comes out, he tells
Speaker 4: his partner grab one of the three women. We're taking
Speaker 4: her with us. And then, for some reason, I mean,
Speaker 4: thank goodness, really enough, the second man, who had been
Speaker 4: kind of agitated and getting a little nervous, rips his
Speaker 4: mask off and throws it on the ground, full face,
Speaker 4: going full frontal in front of everybody. No, no, Is
Speaker 4: that just going to be your response now anytime I
Speaker 4: write a good joke about full frontal or anything, and
Speaker 4: you're just going to say no to me?
Speaker 14: That was.
Speaker 4: That was genius writing right there. That's not I'm gonna
Speaker 4: just drop in Bend's laugh full frontal. I could use
Speaker 4: that laugh to my advantage every time I make it.
Speaker 6: Deleting that episode, it's never going to exist after this week.
Speaker 4: So he takes his mask off and leaves the bank.
Speaker 4: So there's two robbers and a vault teller. They eat
Speaker 4: her in the back of the car, hop in the
Speaker 4: front and take off. Sounds like the other two vault
Speaker 4: tellers are left inside the store managers with police. Okay,
Speaker 4: is everyone on the same page. So we get interviewed
Speaker 4: from the Henderson That's who it is, right, Henderson Police Department. Yeah,
Speaker 4: Henderson Police Department. This guy looks like you couldn't be
Speaker 4: more than a day over fourteen years old, and he
Speaker 4: is interviewed and he tells us that after driving for
Speaker 4: several minutes, the robbers drive through a large apartment complex.
Speaker 4: And the thing about this apartment complex is that the
Speaker 4: parking lot is very complicated. It has a lot of
Speaker 4: dead ends, and a lot of things that don't necessarily
Speaker 4: get out the exit. They believe that these men had
Speaker 4: cased this parking lot beforehand, because they were able to
Speaker 4: go through kind of the maze of the parking lot
Speaker 4: and get out on the other side.
Speaker 6: I agree with that. I think anyone's been in a
Speaker 6: large apartment compus.
Speaker 4: There's no streets, there's no like directions, So you were
Speaker 4: wandering around. Did you ever have to deliver pizzas to
Speaker 4: like large apartments.
Speaker 7: Oh yeah, if you didn't know, like because you would
Speaker 7: be told the building and the apartment number. But half
Speaker 7: the time the buildings were not in order. Did you
Speaker 7: feel life were.
Speaker 4: Burnt out where they could get lost? Yeah, So I
Speaker 4: thought that was interesting. So the police actually like almost
Speaker 4: like this is like that game mousetrup. The police ended
Speaker 4: up like getting turned around and like getting stuck in
Speaker 4: certain parts of the parking lot, and the robbers are gone.
Speaker 4: They're able to like get through no problems. So then
Speaker 4: at that point they are able to switch to a
Speaker 4: quote unquote getaway car, release the hostage. At this point
Speaker 4: they chuck her out of the car. She's interviewed and
Speaker 4: she says that like once she got in the car.
Speaker 4: She lood the best thing she could do, and I
Speaker 4: think this probably saved her life. She put her head
Speaker 4: down and just like buried her face because it was
Speaker 4: almost like if I don't know what's going on and
Speaker 4: I don't see them, then they don't have a reason
Speaker 4: to like dead men tell no telles sort of thing.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 6: She was afraid they were going to kill her, which
Speaker 6: is a valetir. They just took her from.
Speaker 4: The bank at gundo point and they're acting like crazy.
Speaker 6: People, so you've got to imagine the worst thing is
Speaker 6: going to happen to you.
Speaker 4: So authorities believe that the two men that held up
Speaker 4: the Henderson Bank are responsible for ten other bank robberies
Speaker 4: from nineteen eighty six to nineteen ninety one, and in
Speaker 4: every case their disguise had successfully concealed their identity. They
Speaker 4: wore these like masks. They show up a blurry picture
Speaker 4: of them at one point of them, like from surveillance
Speaker 4: from a inside of a bank. The mask is very creepy,
Speaker 4: like yeah, from that time, like nineteen eighties Halloween mask
Speaker 4: and that morning though, you guys know joke. There is
Speaker 4: a woman who is a news reporter I think for
Speaker 4: a local newspaper, and her name's Catherine Scott. She has
Speaker 4: in her possession a police scanner, and she is wes
Speaker 4: most reporters would have done at that time. Is sitting
Speaker 4: at our news desk that morning, probably thinking of something
Speaker 4: to write. I don't think a lot of crazy things
Speaker 4: happen in Henderson.
Speaker 6: Technically you have a police scanned.
Speaker 4: Okay, I don't anymore? Did you recently? Side note, side quest,
Speaker 4: come with me on this journey. Pima County Post the
Speaker 4: Nancy Guthrie case and tusam Pedie scrambled their police scanners
Speaker 4: and they no longer are able to be used on
Speaker 4: any of the police scanner apps. Encrypted is the word
Speaker 4: I was looking for, not scrambled. Yeah, they're encrypted, but
Speaker 4: only because of well conspiracy theory is is because it's
Speaker 4: a the Nancy Gouthree thing.
Speaker 6: Because I'm just saying now, there's apps for.
Speaker 4: There's apps that you can pull up police scanners and
Speaker 4: listen to like what is happening right now in like Hodunk,
Speaker 4: New Jersey, or and you can listen anywhere, and which
Speaker 4: I mean, I'm sure would be a really fun experiment
Speaker 4: every once in a while to be like, oh it's
Speaker 4: three in the morning over on the East Coast, what's
Speaker 4: happening in some of these little tiny towns. But yeah,
Speaker 4: I just found this out because I've got I've got
Speaker 4: a contact that is a reporter, like an investigative Facebook
Speaker 4: sort of YouTube reporter who is local who That's the
Speaker 4: person I reached out to when there was a shooting
Speaker 4: at the mall that we were at and sent him
Speaker 4: a message and he was actually like telling me what
Speaker 4: was happening at the mall before I saw the reports
Speaker 4: of what was happening, because he was listening to the
Speaker 4: police scanners at his house, and so he is struggling
Speaker 4: right now because he would post like, hey, stay out
Speaker 4: of this area, avoid these things because this is happening
Speaker 4: on the police scanner right now, and post Nancy Guthrie.
Speaker 4: Only like two weeks ago, Pima County and Tucson Pete
Speaker 4: encrypted their scanners so we can't listen to them anymore,
Speaker 4: which I got a lot of thoughts on. But that's
Speaker 4: another podcast for another day. As one would say, Okay,
Speaker 4: so yeah, missus Scott is just doing her due diligence.
Speaker 4: She's a news reporter and she hears something juicy coming
Speaker 4: across and that is that there are two men driving
Speaker 4: a stolen vehicle or a getaway car, and they are
Speaker 4: they believe that they are headed along Sunset Road, heading
Speaker 4: in a certain direction, and she's like, well, shizz, that's
Speaker 4: right down the street from my station. So she, in
Speaker 4: the reenactment, has her ginormous radio tucked underneath her arm.
Speaker 4: She has got a old fashioned camera, like the kind
Speaker 4: you wood roll like back then.
Speaker 6: It was not old fit.
Speaker 4: It was very yes, new times back then. And she
Speaker 4: is high stepping it out to her car in her
Speaker 4: heels and everything. And she gets in her vehicle and
Speaker 4: no joke, she's interviewed and she is telling us this
Speaker 4: story in all of the nineties glory outfit that she
Speaker 4: has on. The hair they make up the outfit. She
Speaker 4: even had a brooch on. It was incredible. She is
Speaker 4: saying that as she is driving, let's just stay north,
Speaker 4: she sees a vehicle driving at a wrapid rate of
Speaker 4: speed south and she recognizes it as the vehicle that
Speaker 4: had been described on her radio. And she starts to
Speaker 4: be like, oh my gosh, I've got a camera in
Speaker 4: my hand. I can take a picture. But if I
Speaker 4: take a picture, these people might see that I have
Speaker 4: a picture, and then they might pull up their weapons
Speaker 4: and then they could shoot me. But I could also
Speaker 4: do the right thing. I need to take this picture.
Speaker 4: And she goes back and forth. She said, almost time
Speaker 4: slows down, and that she's like having this internal debate.
Speaker 4: And finally, at the very last second, as they're driving
Speaker 4: south and she's heading north, she pulls up her camera
Speaker 4: in the in the roll down window as they're driving by,
Speaker 4: and just like click one click, because you couldn't rapid
Speaker 4: fire cameras back then, and just keeps driving out and
Speaker 4: I'm sure her heart was boom boom, boom, boom boom.
Speaker 4: I was expecting this picture to be the most ridiculous,
Speaker 4: blurry thing you'd ever seen.
Speaker 6: It wasn't as bad as I.
Speaker 4: Thought, I agreed. I was actually quite impressed with at
Speaker 4: the greatest speed, that she was going one way and
Speaker 4: they were going the other, that this was able to
Speaker 4: capture anything. So she is literally the hero of the day.
Speaker 4: She has this picture, she's able to turn it over
Speaker 4: to the FBI. The FBI is able to take the
Speaker 4: picture and CSI and hands it zoom zoom, zoom zoom.
Speaker 4: They get a pretty good look at this guy. It's
Speaker 4: of course a side profile because he's driving the vehicle,
Speaker 4: and from that they're able to give us a composite
Speaker 4: and that is where unsolved mystery leaves us.
Speaker 6: Okay, who rubbed this bank?
Speaker 4: Okay, let me tell you update.
Speaker 16: Update.
Speaker 4: They are captured, not necessarily due to unsolved mysteries though,
Speaker 4: so suck you guys.
Speaker 17: You ain't heard about Moto Casino. Moto has real Vegas slots.
Speaker 17: Any game you can find on the floor in Vegas,
Speaker 17: you can play it on Moto.
Speaker 3: I like my slots.
Speaker 17: Hot Moto's free to play, like food stamps, in line
Speaker 17: at the grocery store, at a funeral, in traffic, keep
Speaker 17: gruys on the road, hop on Moto Casino. If Moto
Speaker 17: Casino got jackpots that are bigger than my bed. Moto
Speaker 17: America's Hot it's free to play Social Casino.
Speaker 8: Download the Moto Casino up today.
Speaker 11: Moto Casinos the Social Casino.
Speaker 13: I thought you up phav it no, but just necessariy
Speaker 13: this in Moto Doocu West from Morte Hits Casino.
Speaker 6: The cassine been dug.
Speaker 19: There's nowhere I wouldn't go to help someone customize and
Speaker 19: save on car insurance with Liberty Mutual, even if it
Speaker 19: means sitting front row at a comedy show.
Speaker 16: Hey, everyone, check out this guy in his bird. What
Speaker 16: is this your first day?
Speaker 9: Oh no, we help people customize and save on car
Speaker 9: insurance with Liberty Mutual. Together, we're married, me to a human,
Speaker 9: him to a bird.
Speaker 16: Yeah, the bird looks out of your leg anyways, get.
Speaker 9: A quote at libertymutul dot com or with your local
Speaker 9: agents Liberty Liberty, Liberty.
Speaker 4: Buckle up because this gets crazy, not that that hasn't
Speaker 4: already been crazy enough, but November eleventh, nineteen ninety seven,
Speaker 4: nebraskaty seven. Yeah, they got away with this for another
Speaker 4: six years. Yeah. So, Nebraska State police stop a car
Speaker 4: for speeding. The driver appeared to be very nervous and
Speaker 4: handed police a fake driver's license, while at the same time,
Speaker 4: there was a little canine pup in the car. And
Speaker 4: he gets out, and this canine dog is police dog. Officer.
Speaker 4: Puppy Face begins barking wildly at a suitcase that appears
Speaker 4: to be in the back seat the car. The officers
Speaker 4: open up the bag and find one point eight million
Speaker 4: million dollars. This man has a suitcase full of cash
Speaker 4: in his car, The driver turned out to be a
Speaker 4: man named William Arthur Kirkpatrick, which is weirdly a really
Speaker 4: good like strong name. Arthur kirk Kirkpatrick, Kirkpatrick kerr K
Speaker 4: I r K so not Kirk's but kirk Patrick Kirkpatrick
Speaker 4: one of two men that the FBI had dubbed quote
Speaker 4: the trench coat robbers.
Speaker 6: Okay, the trench coat robbers, yeah, unsolved, I.
Speaker 4: The irony of it all, okay. So, with help from
Speaker 4: Kirkpatrick's girlfriend, the FBI are able to identify and locate
Speaker 4: the second man, Raymond Lewis Bowman. He was serving a
Speaker 4: twenty four year prison sentence, but then died behind bars
Speaker 4: in twenty eleven. Kirkpatrick pleads guilty and was sentenced to
Speaker 4: fifteen years in prison. Has since been released. Cannot find
Speaker 4: that he has committed any other crimes at least under
Speaker 4: that name and been caught since then. Okay, I have
Speaker 4: some side quest information that no one has asked for.
Speaker 3: But I thought it was.
Speaker 6: Crazy unless you went on your side.
Speaker 4: Yes, so you don't want to listen to it, fine,
Speaker 4: scroll ahead, I don't care, but use spend. Use that
Speaker 4: skip button, but Ben doesn't have a skip button.
Speaker 6: I don't say, and I would never want a skip
Speaker 6: button for you.
Speaker 4: Okay, first off, I'm going to give some credit where
Speaker 4: credit is due. There was a post by someone named
Speaker 4: Partners in Crime on a Reddit sub thread. They also
Speaker 4: have a YouTube channel where she partners in Crime. I'm
Speaker 4: gonna guess it's female because I only read her transcript.
Speaker 4: I didn't go watch the YouTube of it. But she
Speaker 4: gives us the story of the trench Coat Robbers in detail,
Speaker 4: and so I'm going to read you her transcript. Vis
Speaker 4: this is her writing, not mine.
Speaker 6: One of her words. Yes, so her work.
Speaker 4: William Arthur Billy Kirkpatrick was a notorious shoplifter back in
Speaker 4: the nineteen seventies. Oh listen, it gets even better. He
Speaker 4: was well known to boost record albums and boost meant Steele,
Speaker 4: who would shoplift truckloads of recorded album and other goods
Speaker 4: and then fenced it to a popular record store in
Speaker 4: Kansas City named Tiger Records. Tiger Records, turns out, was
Speaker 4: a well known for always having the latest albums which
Speaker 4: sold for ridiculously below market value, up to seventy five
Speaker 4: percent off where other retailers were selling it. And then Tiger,
Speaker 4: the owner of Tiger Records turned out to be part
Speaker 4: of the Italian mafia and had several stable record boosters,
Speaker 4: So that is William the mafia is stealing records for
Speaker 4: the mob. So Tiger always had a long list of albums, watches,
Speaker 4: tennis rackets, and leather coats, among other things he needed,
Speaker 4: and he would ask William Kirkpatrick and several other.
Speaker 6: People, this is funny that a mob guy was selling
Speaker 6: tennis rackets. I agree, which it was part of a racket.
Speaker 4: Which was part of a racket. He stole my literally
Speaker 4: my shoke I had that written, which was kind of
Speaker 4: a racket. I'm so proud of myself, I know, oh
Speaker 4: my gosh, okay, which was kind of a racket.
Speaker 6: All right.
Speaker 4: So they would always so they would go with their
Speaker 4: personal vehicles and fill them up with these shoplifted items
Speaker 4: drop them off at Tigers. During one of those deliveries,
Speaker 4: Kirkpatrick runs into one of his lifelong buddies, Ray Bowman,
Speaker 4: who also had gotten into the business of being a
Speaker 4: booster for Tiger.
Speaker 6: So at this point this is not for Tiger, for
Speaker 6: the mob.
Speaker 4: In Kansas City, Missouri, of all freaking places, all right,
Speaker 4: So Kirkpatrick and Bowman. Yeah, this is why I had
Speaker 4: to tell you this. I'm so grateful for partners in
Speaker 4: crime for like giving us this deep dive, because it's ridiculous. Okay.
Speaker 4: So Kirkpatrick and Bowman had known each other for quite
Speaker 4: a long time and it didn't take him long for
Speaker 4: them to start getting into cahoots with each other. So
Speaker 4: Bowman was a big spender. He liked to dress an
Speaker 4: expensive clothing, splurge on club girls in quotations, so we
Speaker 4: all know what that means. Here's the best part. He
Speaker 4: also had a taste for cocaine and limousines, as one does.
Speaker 6: Limousines. Who gets such.
Speaker 4: An age thing like into limousines, isn't it.
Speaker 6: He probably wore a white shuit.
Speaker 4: I can only imagine this, and I bet there was
Speaker 4: chest hair and a gold necklace and for sure okay.
Speaker 4: And he loved to spend take his friends out to
Speaker 4: thousand dollars dinners. I wouldn't mind and like that in
Speaker 4: my life. So with Kirkpatrick also now being kind of
Speaker 4: drawn to life in the fast lane, it didn't take
Speaker 4: long for them to graduate from boosting stuff for the
Speaker 4: Italian mob to bank robberies. After the first few bank robberies.
Speaker 4: They soon perfected their craft. They were very careful. They
Speaker 4: resided in separate states to make it difficult for police
Speaker 4: to connect between the two. They always traveled to a
Speaker 4: different location for their next target. They never robbed any
Speaker 4: bank near or close to any of their locations or homes.
Speaker 4: They spent months blending in with locals while staking out
Speaker 4: and targeting the bank. They carefully planned their heights. They
Speaker 4: were armed with guns, wigs, fake beards, sunglasses, gloves, and
Speaker 4: several other disguises. Kirkpatrick and Bowman were always successful with
Speaker 4: each heights thanks to their careful planning and disguises. Still,
Speaker 4: one thing they always consistent in every robbery is that
Speaker 4: they were wearing trench oats. The FBI had no clue
Speaker 4: who they were, but they dubbed them the trenchcoat bank robbers.
Speaker 4: And in nineteen ninety seven, fifty seven year old Kirkpatrick
Speaker 4: and fifty three year old Bowmen set out to land
Speaker 4: the final score that they always do.
Speaker 6: Technically, well, this was up.
Speaker 4: In Washington, so this is not even like having to
Speaker 4: do with Nevada. So they check into a local hotel
Speaker 4: in Tacoma, Washington. They spend tons of time eating at
Speaker 4: the finest restaurants, even becoming regulars like at piano bars.
Speaker 4: They attend like high end concerts, and they carefully are
Speaker 4: surveying the Sea First Bank of Lakewood and pre highest
Speaker 4: activities lasted for a month. Finally they figured out the
Speaker 4: bank always collected a large amount of cash on payday
Speaker 4: from a nearby army base and Indio Indian casino that
Speaker 4: banked with these people, and the exit cash of branches
Speaker 4: of the other c First banks. So the day came
Speaker 4: around February tenth, nineteen ninety seven. Using a master key
Speaker 4: that he had crafted himself, Kirkpatrick steals a brand new
Speaker 4: jeep Cherokee Jeep of which they use to drive to
Speaker 4: the bank. So they dress in FBI hats, sunglasses and
Speaker 4: gloves and of course trench coats, and they even put
Speaker 4: an earpiece in with attached to a police scanner. So
Speaker 4: long story short, they go in, they are able to leave.
Speaker 4: They fill up duffel bags with four million dollars in
Speaker 4: cash weighing three hundred and fifty pounds. The FBI floods
Speaker 4: the city. They do roadblocks, searching every motel in the vicinity.
Speaker 4: Like they find the getaway car had been wiped down
Speaker 4: and like no prints and these two men, the trench
Speaker 4: Coat robbers, are nowhere to be found. They're gone. Kirkpatrick
Speaker 4: and Bowman had moved south, checked into a motel in Portland, Oregon,
Speaker 4: split the cash in half, gave each other a high five,
Speaker 4: and headed home, using two different routes to get back
Speaker 4: across the country.
Speaker 6: There's the thing, as long as.
Speaker 4: It's hard to say what I think you're gonna say
Speaker 4: it because I think emotionally there's a lot of damage done.
Speaker 4: Is that what you were going to say is like
Speaker 4: they didn't hurt anybody in these No one was killed.
Speaker 6: Yes, I don't know. I've never looked into the guys.
Speaker 4: It doesn't seem that they ever murdered anybody. No one
Speaker 4: was ever physically harmed in these robberies.
Speaker 6: I don't know. Man, that's wild.
Speaker 4: This is okay. I know that this is not part
Speaker 4: of the Unsolved mystories, but when I was reading this,
Speaker 4: I was like, this is incredibly fascinating. We are a
Speaker 4: true crime podcast.
Speaker 6: It's wild and crazy to me because you don't hear
Speaker 6: of crimes like that, and I.
Speaker 4: Think it's easy when there's like no one was physically
Speaker 4: hurt it definitely gives you and this and they weren't
Speaker 4: turning around in USA doing a lot of good things
Speaker 4: with this money either, but they weren't also doing terrible
Speaker 4: you know what, it's very kind of Robin hoodish in
Speaker 4: a way.
Speaker 7: You kidnapped a lady and the one and that was
Speaker 7: that like extremely traumatizing. Yeah, they wanted to be taken
Speaker 7: by gun put in the back of.
Speaker 4: Italy, a lot of terrible things to be like, well,
Speaker 4: I just this is fascinating to me.
Speaker 6: I think I do that it's an interesting story of
Speaker 6: just because you don't hear what you're reading sounds like
Speaker 6: a movie. Yes, like we have watched like Ocean's eleven
Speaker 6: and that, like yes, and you just don't think criminals
Speaker 6: are really that that well thought out and that patient.
Speaker 4: I had to start out with the mob or the mafia,
Speaker 4: like it's an extent.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 4: So they each ended up with well over two million dollars.
Speaker 4: So the Transgrope made history because at that point they
Speaker 4: had pulled off the largest bank rubbery in the United
Speaker 4: States and technically had gotten away with it. But this
Speaker 4: is where the problem is. All of that cash eventually
Speaker 4: becomes somebody's undoing because how do you spend that kind
Speaker 4: of money without any record, especially in the kind of
Speaker 4: the more digital aid age that they're starting to get into,
Speaker 4: right Facebook marketplace, you start laundering money through Facebook marketplace.
Speaker 4: I did actually see side quest from our side Quest
Speaker 4: saw this lady walking around an antique store that she
Speaker 4: was like, how is this place in business? Because like
Speaker 4: everything in the antique store started at like one thousand
Speaker 4: dollars and like went up. It was like twenty thousand
Speaker 4: dollars for these things. And I commented on the thing,
Speaker 4: and I was like, I'm not saying that I would
Speaker 4: launder money by owning a ridiculously overpriced antique store, but
Speaker 4: I'm also not saying that wouldn't be awesome. So there's
Speaker 4: a business thought for you.
Speaker 7: You gotta think because an antique store, your records is
Speaker 7: that someone brought the.
Speaker 6: Senity, you sold it yep, yep, and that then you
Speaker 6: then sold it for ten thousand dollars.
Speaker 4: Yeah that's hey, business cats, just give us a kickback.
Speaker 3: Hi, uncle Laser.
Speaker 9: Here. America's built on fast cars, fast food, and even
Speaker 9: faster women.
Speaker 8: Photo casinos built in America. You know, if they're fast out,
Speaker 8: fast gas rise redemption, you see only Moto is US
Speaker 8: own and operator Moto.
Speaker 11: It's American maid Is.
Speaker 3: That's who we are and that's who we care about.
Speaker 8: Play for free at Moto dot us Moto Casinos.
Speaker 13: So the social casino boyd we're prohibited, No, just necessary
Speaker 13: to sit MOTODOCTU West for more details must be twenty
Speaker 13: one plus Casino.
Speaker 3: America, Social Casino.
Speaker 6: And Doug.
Speaker 19: There's nowhere I wouldn't go to help someone customize and
Speaker 19: save on car insurance with Liberty Mutual, even if it
Speaker 19: means sitting front row at a comedy show.
Speaker 16: Hey, everyone, check out this guy in his bird. What
Speaker 16: is this your first day?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 9: Now, we help people customize and save on car insurance
Speaker 9: with Liberty Mutual Together.
Speaker 8: We're married.
Speaker 11: Need a human him to a bird?
Speaker 16: Yeah, the bird looks sound of your league.
Speaker 9: Anyways, Get a quote at Libertymutual dot com or with
Speaker 9: your local agent Liberty Liberty.
Speaker 4: Okay. So this is where things start to unravel for
Speaker 4: this for the Trench Coats. So Kirkpatrick gives his girlfriend
Speaker 4: one hundred and eighty eight thousand dollars in cash to
Speaker 4: pay for a cabin that they were purchasing in rural Minnesota.
Speaker 4: So she puts the cash in brown paper bags and
Speaker 4: just hands it over to the builder. Okay, so Michael
Speaker 4: who is building this house and is holding bags of cash,
Speaker 4: him and the girlfriend get into a heated argument because
Speaker 4: they disagreed about some final touches in a highly customized cabin.
Speaker 4: This one could not just like let this go, so
Speaker 4: she starts a fight with a man that's holding a
Speaker 4: bag of untraceable or like unverified money because I'm going
Speaker 4: to guess this guy's like paying cash. I don't care.
Speaker 4: The problem is she tipped off the wrong person. She
Speaker 4: bit the hand that fetter, so he upset over the argument.
Speaker 4: Besides to report the bag of cash to the IRS.
Speaker 6: The builder.
Speaker 4: Yeah, As a result, the IRS pays a visit to
Speaker 4: the cabin and unfortunately these people are not able to
Speaker 4: verify any source of income. So Kirkpatrick at the time
Speaker 4: is there with his girlfriend and now the FBI is alerted.
Speaker 4: So while the IRS is investigating Kirkpatrick and his girlfriend
Speaker 4: in Minnesota, Ray makes a few silly mistakes of his own. First,
Speaker 4: he forgot to pay the owner of a storage unit,
Speaker 4: which how many times have we heard that where he
Speaker 4: stashed a bunch of guns and disguises. So the owner
Speaker 4: goes into the storage unit that had not been paid
Speaker 4: and finds obviously these things and says that they're suspicious,
Speaker 4: and he reports the storage unit to the AHF. The
Speaker 4: ATF then puts a wiretap in Bowman's phone where they
Speaker 4: heard suspicious conversation between Bowman and someone in Minnesota with
Speaker 4: the IRS at his front door. Kirkpatrick panics. He stashes
Speaker 4: the bulk of his cash from the robbery in a
Speaker 4: safety deposit back box in Las Vegas, and while he
Speaker 4: was afraid the authorities might discover the money, he drives
Speaker 4: one seven hundred miles to the bank in Las Vegas
Speaker 4: to retrieve the cash, only to get pulled over by
Speaker 4: the state trooper on his his way back to Minnesota.
Speaker 4: So does that make sense He's got to stash the
Speaker 4: cash in Vegas? He drives to Vegas to go get it.
Speaker 4: He's in a bank, it says, yep, that he had
Speaker 4: in a safety deposit box, because it's not like city
Speaker 4: in a bank account. No, it's in a deposit box.
Speaker 4: He goes there a seventeen mile drive. Books are there.
Speaker 6: Because the same if you walk into bank and says,
Speaker 6: I need to withdraw one point eight million dollars the bank,
Speaker 6: ga' mean like, sure, give me twenty minutes.
Speaker 4: Yeah, as we make the bank do hey, FBI, I
Speaker 4: think if even if you went in there with a
Speaker 4: bunch of cash and said, I'd like to I'd.
Speaker 6: Like to open depositing this. If they've been doing this
Speaker 6: for over ten years, you have been depositing it, and
Speaker 6: then you go like I need one by one point
Speaker 6: in the bank's in to go, sure safety deposits.
Speaker 4: Yeah. But on his way back to Minnesota, he it's
Speaker 4: pulled over for driving seven miles over the speed moment.
Speaker 6: That was a board cop and man, you shucks hit
Speaker 6: the jack to the cop.
Speaker 4: Hit the jackpote Yeah, absolutely, So he is caught with
Speaker 4: a car filled to the brim with cash. So Kirkpatrick's
Speaker 4: obviously on edge and didn't take long for state troopers
Speaker 4: to notice. So after searching the vehicle for what they
Speaker 4: assume is drug money, the state trooper also finds guns
Speaker 4: and disguises a pair of foot lockers with the bulk
Speaker 4: of Kirkpatrick's loot nearly two million dollars in cash. Wait,
Speaker 4: a pair of what foot lockers? I don't know, I
Speaker 4: thought as a cop like is that, Like, I don't
Speaker 4: think it was shoes. It's not like the store. You
Speaker 4: didn't have the store for well, the store.
Speaker 6: Doesn't sell foot lockers. They sell shoes from different I
Speaker 6: don't know anyways.
Speaker 4: Okay, it said, and a pair of foot lockers. I'm
Speaker 4: gonna guess that's the ankle things that you put that
Speaker 4: as the cops put around people's ankles, they lock your feet,
Speaker 4: they're foot lockers. What if I am right? Why what
Speaker 4: I'm talking about? When you know when bad guys have
Speaker 4: when they come into prison, you know, the actual chains
Speaker 4: that go around their ankles and they connect their legs
Speaker 4: together so they can't run away like shackles, shackles, they
Speaker 4: call them foot lockers.
Speaker 6: Really foot lockers.
Speaker 4: It makes sense their feet are locked in place.
Speaker 6: Just because.
Speaker 4: Okay, so he had foot lockers on him. Okay, so
Speaker 4: he's obviously immediately arrested, all right, and the state trooper
Speaker 4: bless Us Heart has no idea at this point that
Speaker 4: he has just nabbed one of the most infamous bank
Speaker 4: robbers and part of a duo from the Trench Coke
Speaker 4: bank Croppers and is high up on the FBI's Most
Speaker 4: Wantedless so his girlfriend comes to the courthouse with William
Speaker 4: Kerbretrick in jail. She's arrested and charged on the spot
Speaker 4: for conspiracy. Searching their cabin, they also uncover a picture
Speaker 4: of Ray Bowman and his family inside the cabin. Warrens
Speaker 4: are then issued for a search of Bowman's house, which
Speaker 4: they undercover more evidence that he had four hundred and
Speaker 4: eighty thousand in cash that is still bundled with the
Speaker 4: c first bankrappers on them. So the FBI, having all
Speaker 4: the evidence they could ever want a grand jury, immediately
Speaker 4: indicts the trench coat robbers, obviously seeing no way out
Speaker 4: of this, Like Peggy asks her boyfriend to tell the truth.
Speaker 4: He admits to the crime. So he pleads guilty to
Speaker 4: four out of twenty eight bankrupts. The FBI connected him too,
Speaker 4: but he can only be charged with three of them
Speaker 4: because statue of limitations had started to run out on
Speaker 4: some of these bank robberies. I love that there was
Speaker 4: twenty eight. He says, I'll take you for four, and
Speaker 4: then it turns out, okay, I can only take you
Speaker 4: for three because of statue of limitations. Can't they have
Speaker 4: Popland and the other robberies. I don't know those are
Speaker 4: just questions ahead. Thus he has sentenced to fifteen years
Speaker 4: and eight months in prison, and after that he served
Speaker 4: his full sentence and is released. On the other hand,
Speaker 4: Bowman didn't fare so well in prison because he got
Speaker 4: a twenty four year sentence and didn't make it out alive.
Speaker 6: So a foot locker is a chest.
Speaker 4: It's a chest, yeah, you like at the end the Pirates.
Speaker 6: It's just it's just a box you put at the
Speaker 6: end of the bed.
Speaker 4: Why would you call it a foot Oh, it's a
Speaker 4: locker at the foot of the bed.
Speaker 6: Nailed it.
Speaker 4: I like mine better. When I was like reading and
Speaker 4: writing this, I just assumed that's what a foot locker was.
Speaker 6: That he just had some he had some chef in
Speaker 6: the back and what you got there?
Speaker 4: And he's like, it's a foot locker.
Speaker 6: Obviously, obviously you lock your foot up.
Speaker 4: You're just one. This is how my brain works. And
Speaker 4: I just literally just I would have never questioned this.
Speaker 6: Just lock that one.
Speaker 4: It's because it's turning two feet into one their locker.
Speaker 4: All right, this is starting to go off the rails.
Speaker 6: Guys.
Speaker 4: Okay, that is our recap. I am so sorry. We're
Speaker 4: almost two hours of reporting time. I know, Okay, I
Speaker 4: had a question. Ben and I were going to talk
Speaker 4: about the possibility and theories of time travel. I don't
Speaker 4: think we have it in us for that tonight, So Ben,
Speaker 4: let's see why don't you tell me? Oh yeah, I
Speaker 4: guess If you don't want to hang out for a
Speaker 4: question time with Ben, feel free to exit stage right
Speaker 4: now and then for the rest of everybody, Ben, what's
Speaker 4: a simple question I can ask, what's something you're looking
Speaker 4: forward to this summer? Anything on the radar?
Speaker 6: Anything on the radar? Uh, I always enjoyed, Like I mean,
Speaker 6: Arizona summer suck. But yes, the only good thing that
Speaker 6: we get at Arizona is it gets hot enough to
Speaker 6: hang out in the pool. And we usually for us
Speaker 6: as a family, we have a pool in our backyard.
Speaker 6: And before you think that's like big bougie, it's pretty
Speaker 6: common in Arizona, Like a lot of houses have pools.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but we also have a lot of We do it, Brad, So.
Speaker 6: It's h Yeah, it's And I've been getting the pool
Speaker 6: cleaned up and getting it ready and we always have
Speaker 6: a couple of days. We're just as a family. We've
Speaker 6: got a big speaker. We put out there, get some
Speaker 6: country music playing. Sierra it's not a big swimmer, but
Speaker 6: she loves to layout and hang out in the layout
Speaker 6: in the sun, and me and the kids play in
Speaker 6: the pool. And I love those days where we don't
Speaker 6: really have a whole lot going on. We just have
Speaker 6: good food and we play some music and we swim
Speaker 6: in the pool. It's kind of like our kickoff to summer.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and.
Speaker 6: Hang out in the hot tub, hang out in the pool,
Speaker 6: And I like those days.
Speaker 4: Yeah, They're a lot of fun, you know, just kind.
Speaker 6: Of care free. It's it's great.
Speaker 7: There are wonderful days, and I have really fond memories
Speaker 7: of It's we don't you know, because usually even once
Speaker 7: summer gets.
Speaker 6: Going on, these kids are busy.
Speaker 4: So obviously our kids only get several weeks of summer here.
Speaker 4: The school we're in is very short, very short summers.
Speaker 4: But and it's so hot that like a lot of
Speaker 4: normal outdoor activities we don't really get to participate in here,
Speaker 4: we do them now. Like last night I was at
Speaker 4: an outdoor concert and like we were in jeans and
Speaker 4: a T shirt and it was warm, like it felt
Speaker 4: like the fourth of July last night, where it wasn't it.
Speaker 6: It's nice weather.
Speaker 15: Yeah, and so to be able to get to do
Speaker 15: that is and yeah, we just I always tell people like,
Speaker 15: it gets kind of almost weirdly depressing here in the
Speaker 15: summer because we spend like two and a half three
Speaker 15: months almost inside ninety percent of the time.
Speaker 7: So everyone says, like, Arizona, you spend your inside time
Speaker 7: in the summer.
Speaker 6: Yeah, we spend our outside time in fall winter. I mean,
Speaker 6: we do get a lot of outside time because but
Speaker 6: it just feels.
Speaker 4: Weird when everyone else is like barbecuing and traveling and
Speaker 4: doing all these things. And literally we are at some
Speaker 4: days one hundred and fifteen, we're trying to find indoor stuff. Yeah,
Speaker 4: and it's because the heat here can be life threatening.
Speaker 4: It can people die every year from it. So to
Speaker 4: have days where we have no other major responsibilities, the
Speaker 4: kids don't have twenty places to be, everyone's home and stuff,
Speaker 4: and it's early afternoon, it's like, listen, let's make some
Speaker 4: good food, let's turn on some music, and let's just
Speaker 4: hang out and play in the pool is fun. I
Speaker 4: enjoy pool activities. I just don't enjoy splashing activities. And
Speaker 4: so when you guys get in the pool, Ben turns
Speaker 4: into a fourteen year old and it's like me and
Speaker 4: the kids play games. You guys, it is jumping a
Speaker 4: lot of stuff as half the pool water is out
Speaker 4: of the pool.
Speaker 6: But it's fun.
Speaker 4: It's totally fun, and I love getting to partast participate
Speaker 4: in that whilst I lay there in the sun and
Speaker 4: just get gold and brown. But yeah, other times you
Speaker 4: can usually find me in the pool when there's nobody
Speaker 4: else in the pool and I'm just there with my floaty,
Speaker 4: like and an ice cold diet coke because I have
Speaker 4: a pool floaty that has like a cup holder in it.
Speaker 4: But yeah, that's awesome. I'm excited, all right, what about you?
Speaker 4: I had the same kind of thing like I, and
Speaker 4: I will say I do love summer monsoon. It's something
Speaker 4: I've never experienced before. It's very kind of a very
Speaker 4: Selfwest thing.
Speaker 6: I love it.
Speaker 4: All of a sudden, these black clouds rule. I love
Speaker 4: stormy weather, and so to have these violent storms come
Speaker 4: through with thunder and lightning and dumps of rain. The
Speaker 4: only down side is they literally sometimes last sometimes minutes
Speaker 4: like four or five minutes to like maybe twenty thirty
Speaker 4: minutes the most. But it's really cool to see kind
Speaker 4: of that violent change in the weather. So all right, guys,
Speaker 4: well make sure to join us again next week where
Speaker 4: Ben and I reak up another episode of Bye.
Speaker 11: John Daily Here.
Speaker 17: You know what day it is?
Speaker 4: Neither do I.
Speaker 3: I live life daily.
Speaker 12: That's why I only spend on Moto Casino photos. Got
Speaker 12: daily free bonuses, daily tournaments, new slots out of daily
Speaker 12: in the best part, guaranteed daily jackpots. You can't beat that.
Speaker 12: So today's the day you'd RiPP in a spinding with
Speaker 12: me on Moto America's social casino play for free on
Speaker 12: Moto us.
Speaker 13: Mote Casinos, Tina Heavy, just a story this Moto doc
Speaker 13: us for motables download the motocsinof today must be twenty
Speaker 13: one plus.
Speaker 3: Mo Casino.
Speaker 20: Work a social casino, then, Doug, there's nowhere I wouldn't
Speaker 20: go to help someone customize and save on car insurance
Speaker 20: with Liberty Mutual, even if it means sitting front row
Speaker 20: and a comedy show.
Speaker 16: Hey, everyone, check out this guy in his bird. What
Speaker 16: is this your first day?
Speaker 9: Oh no, we help people customize and save on car
Speaker 9: insurance with Liberty Mutual. Together, we're married, me to to
Speaker 9: a human, him to a bird.
Speaker 16: Yeah, the bird looks sound of your league anyways.
Speaker 9: Get a quote at libertymutul dot com or with your
Speaker 9: local agent Celebrity celebrity.
Speaker 5: At trust Mark, we helped create vibrant communities through more
Speaker 5: than eight hundred local partnerships and over seven thousand volunteer
Speaker 5: hours annually. Because building up better tomorrow starts today, Trust
Speaker 5: Mark people you trust. Advice that works Number fdic