WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.280 --> 00:00:02.120 It is a Friday, and I'm going to warn you 2 00:00:02.240 --> 00:00:03.560 right out of the gates, we're about. 3 00:00:03.319 --> 00:00:04.200 To get very weird. 4 00:00:04.759 --> 00:00:06.759 It's gonna be a weird Friday afternoon, all. 5 00:00:06.719 --> 00:00:08.400 Right, right out of the gates, just gonna let you 6 00:00:08.480 --> 00:00:12.480 know that. Happy Friday to you. Congratulations you made it. 7 00:00:12.480 --> 00:00:16.160 It is weekend time, beautiful day, little windy, but warm. 8 00:00:16.320 --> 00:00:18.879 We reached eighty degrees for the first time this year 9 00:00:19.519 --> 00:00:21.640 here in Salt Lake City, Utah. And as it is 10 00:00:21.719 --> 00:00:24.719 every single day, it is good to have you along 11 00:00:24.719 --> 00:00:25.160 for the ride. 12 00:00:25.199 --> 00:00:26.359 My name is Fence Jackets. 13 00:00:26.399 --> 00:00:28.480 I host this radio show that's called The Drive with 14 00:00:28.600 --> 00:00:31.399 Fence Jackets, and you've got to tuned into ESPN seven. 15 00:00:31.239 --> 00:00:33.159 Hundred ninety two one AFM. 16 00:00:33.320 --> 00:00:37.000 We are proud to be part of Utah's ESPN Radio network. 17 00:00:37.039 --> 00:00:39.560 We are out and about in the middle of a 18 00:00:39.600 --> 00:00:41.200 parking lot selling meat. 19 00:00:42.280 --> 00:00:44.119 YEP, that's happenings down on a Friday. 20 00:00:44.359 --> 00:00:48.479 We're with our friends at Homestead Steaks. They're offering you 21 00:00:48.640 --> 00:00:51.560 twenty Ribbi steaks for forty dollars. 22 00:00:51.719 --> 00:00:53.799 It's their weekend meat sale. 23 00:00:54.960 --> 00:00:59.200 And we're at Fashion Place Mall. They also have this 24 00:00:59.280 --> 00:01:02.679 sale going on Provo Town Mall. So Fashion Place Mall 25 00:01:02.719 --> 00:01:06.719 in Murray, the shops at Southtown and Sandy and Provo 26 00:01:06.840 --> 00:01:10.200 Town Center Mall. They're open until eight o'clock tonight, and 27 00:01:10.400 --> 00:01:12.480 they're gonna open up at ten am tomorrow and go 28 00:01:12.519 --> 00:01:15.760 until eight o'clock tomorrow as well. Then Sunday it's eleven 29 00:01:15.799 --> 00:01:19.840 to six. So here's what you do, and I will 30 00:01:19.840 --> 00:01:20.359 wish you the. 31 00:01:20.280 --> 00:01:21.599 Best of luck on your quest. 32 00:01:21.760 --> 00:01:24.480 Put this address in your GPS one oh four five 33 00:01:24.680 --> 00:01:28.959 zero South State Street and then follow that by number 34 00:01:29.079 --> 00:01:32.920 two three two zero. There's literally a truck set up 35 00:01:32.920 --> 00:01:34.359 with meat and then we're right next to it. 36 00:01:35.480 --> 00:01:37.120 But the best way to find. 37 00:01:36.840 --> 00:01:39.319 It is to put this in your GPS at one 38 00:01:39.359 --> 00:01:43.760 O four five zero South State Street, number two three 39 00:01:43.920 --> 00:01:45.640 two zero, and then follow that out. 40 00:01:45.680 --> 00:01:46.599 You'll see a meat truck. 41 00:01:46.599 --> 00:01:49.680 You'll see the ESPN seven hundred van, and we're hanging 42 00:01:49.719 --> 00:01:53.719 out twenty ribbys for forty dollars. Twenty ribbys for only 43 00:01:53.760 --> 00:01:57.879 forty dollars. Pretty insane sale. So we apologize for the noise. 44 00:01:57.920 --> 00:01:59.519 There's a ton of wind, and then the truck is 45 00:01:59.560 --> 00:02:01.719 also they've got to refrigerate the meat, so you're gonna 46 00:02:01.760 --> 00:02:04.480 hear that all. After due, you've got half priced bolk 47 00:02:04.519 --> 00:02:11.120 deals on steak, chicken, pork chops and seafood, all payments accepted, cash, credit, debity, ebt, 48 00:02:11.520 --> 00:02:12.120 you name it. 49 00:02:12.639 --> 00:02:15.240 So it's Homestead. 50 00:02:14.240 --> 00:02:18.520 Steaks twenty Ribby's for forty dollars is their main talking point. 51 00:02:18.560 --> 00:02:21.960 But they've got half price on bulk deal sets as 52 00:02:21.960 --> 00:02:23.439 well for steak, chicken. 53 00:02:23.199 --> 00:02:24.319 Pork chops and seafood. 54 00:02:24.879 --> 00:02:27.840 Come on buy and say what's up, really nice people, 55 00:02:28.159 --> 00:02:31.199 and it is an insane deal where you get twenty 56 00:02:31.280 --> 00:02:34.840 ribby steaks for only forty bucks two dollars per steak 57 00:02:36.360 --> 00:02:39.439 out here at Homestead Steaks one oh four five zero, 58 00:02:39.560 --> 00:02:43.479 South State Street, number two three two zero. Put that 59 00:02:43.560 --> 00:02:46.000 in your GPS and then come on by and say 60 00:02:46.080 --> 00:02:50.919 I keep following the GPS or just trust it all right? 61 00:02:50.960 --> 00:02:53.280 A lot to do on a Friday Masters Round two 62 00:02:55.159 --> 00:02:59.159 Rory McElroy man, what an amazing round two after that 63 00:02:59.240 --> 00:03:03.319 difficult finish to his round one yesterday. Justin Rose just 64 00:03:03.400 --> 00:03:05.240 hung in there and he still is your leader through 65 00:03:05.280 --> 00:03:09.599 two rounds. He's eight under parr and all the players 66 00:03:09.639 --> 00:03:12.479 are in the clubhouse as of now, well most of them, 67 00:03:12.520 --> 00:03:15.039 i should say, at the top of the leader board. 68 00:03:15.520 --> 00:03:17.759 So get you a quick Rundown. Justin Rose eight hunder 69 00:03:17.800 --> 00:03:20.280 par is your leader Bryson de Schambeau Carter to sixty 70 00:03:20.319 --> 00:03:23.159 eight today and he's one back of Rose at seven 71 00:03:23.199 --> 00:03:26.800 hunderd par Rory McElroy's at reference date Dynamite sixty six 72 00:03:27.520 --> 00:03:30.360 after seventy two yesterday. He's at six hundred par as 73 00:03:30.400 --> 00:03:35.319 Is Terrell, Hatton, Scotty Scheffler. Scotty is two hundred through nine. 74 00:03:35.479 --> 00:03:37.759 Terrell's three hundred through nine. So there are still golfers 75 00:03:37.759 --> 00:03:39.759 out on the course, but most of the golfers at. 76 00:03:39.719 --> 00:03:42.199 The top of the leader board are in the club. 77 00:03:42.199 --> 00:03:46.280 Ause Matt McCarty and Shane Lowry five hundred part, Corey Connors. 78 00:03:45.960 --> 00:03:46.639 And Jason Day. 79 00:03:47.280 --> 00:03:49.159 We'll give you an update on the Masters throughout the 80 00:03:49.159 --> 00:03:51.879 course of the show today, but we've got a lot 81 00:03:51.919 --> 00:03:52.159 to do. 82 00:03:52.240 --> 00:03:53.520 The Utah Jazz play. 83 00:03:53.280 --> 00:03:56.879 Their final home game of the season tonight in Salt 84 00:03:56.960 --> 00:03:59.039 Lake City against the Oklahoma City Thunder. 85 00:03:59.080 --> 00:04:02.319 We'll do some Jazz back basketball on the program today. 86 00:04:02.360 --> 00:04:05.280 Alex Jensen has made another higher for the Utah men's 87 00:04:05.319 --> 00:04:06.360 basketball program. 88 00:04:06.360 --> 00:04:08.599 We'll tell you who the new coach is. We'll get 89 00:04:08.599 --> 00:04:12.719 to know him a little bit. We are high speed 90 00:04:12.759 --> 00:04:13.919 ahead of the NFL Draft. 91 00:04:14.240 --> 00:04:17.240 Right around the corner NFL teams getting ready to make 92 00:04:17.279 --> 00:04:19.639 their selections. And don't forget, we're your home of the 93 00:04:19.720 --> 00:04:23.240 NFL Draft here in saut Lake City at the market 94 00:04:23.439 --> 00:04:25.920 in the market, so we'll keep you up to date 95 00:04:26.000 --> 00:04:28.360 on all of our coverage and we'll give you some 96 00:04:28.439 --> 00:04:32.040 rumors today the latest on the NFL Draft buzz as 97 00:04:32.120 --> 00:04:34.240 we get prepared for Round one, which is April the 98 00:04:34.240 --> 00:04:37.680 twenty fourth at six o'clock Mountain time, and then of 99 00:04:37.720 --> 00:04:40.759 course going throughout the twenty fifth and the twenty sixth, 100 00:04:40.800 --> 00:04:44.759 So not a ton of local interests, but some will 101 00:04:44.800 --> 00:04:48.480 Junior Tafooni be drafted, Karne reed Brand, Keithy, Tyler, Baddie 102 00:04:48.519 --> 00:04:52.439 and the like. BYU basketball locks in another commit, and 103 00:04:52.480 --> 00:04:54.560 there's a rumor that another big time commit is on 104 00:04:54.600 --> 00:04:57.560 the way. We'll tell you who these players are and 105 00:04:57.680 --> 00:05:01.839 we'll give you up to date suation with Kevin Young's 106 00:05:03.120 --> 00:05:06.160 not rebuild, but I suppose pivot and hoping to improve 107 00:05:06.199 --> 00:05:08.120 on a really good year last year for Brigham. 108 00:05:08.160 --> 00:05:10.319 Young still a waiting word. 109 00:05:10.079 --> 00:05:13.480 On more of the players for the Utah basketball side 110 00:05:13.519 --> 00:05:15.399 of things, but the coaching staff is starting to get 111 00:05:15.399 --> 00:05:17.240 filled out, So one step at a time, one step 112 00:05:17.279 --> 00:05:20.800 at a time. Utah Hockey Club is getting ready to 113 00:05:20.879 --> 00:05:23.680 finish their final or i should say, their first season 114 00:05:24.519 --> 00:05:26.639 here on our market. They're going to take on Dallas 115 00:05:27.279 --> 00:05:28.839 coming up tomorrow at six o'clock. 116 00:05:29.360 --> 00:05:30.319 That is a road game. 117 00:05:30.399 --> 00:05:33.560 Utah played their final home game against Nashville, so we'll 118 00:05:33.560 --> 00:05:38.040 do some hockey on the program today. RSL left today 119 00:05:38.920 --> 00:05:42.040 to hit the road. They are taking on Nashville as well. 120 00:05:42.079 --> 00:05:46.000 Hockey Club took on Nashville last night. RSL against Nashville 121 00:05:46.040 --> 00:05:49.240 coming up tomorrow. That is a six thirty first kick 122 00:05:49.360 --> 00:05:51.040 and that is on MLS Season. 123 00:05:50.720 --> 00:05:51.720 Pass on Apple TV. 124 00:05:52.720 --> 00:05:55.279 So a lot to do. Happy Friday to you. Congratulations, 125 00:05:55.319 --> 00:05:57.519 you made it weekend time. Take a big, old deep breath. 126 00:05:57.519 --> 00:05:58.439 We are live today. 127 00:06:00.120 --> 00:06:01.399 Even know where to tell you where we're at. 128 00:06:01.480 --> 00:06:04.000 Outside of the address one O four five zero South 129 00:06:04.040 --> 00:06:07.079 State Street, number two three two zero. 130 00:06:07.160 --> 00:06:09.079 I'm gonna keep repeating that because it's the only way 131 00:06:09.120 --> 00:06:12.160 to find us. One O four five zero, South State Street, 132 00:06:12.839 --> 00:06:14.240 number two three two zero. 133 00:06:14.279 --> 00:06:16.439 We are literally in the middle of a parking lot 134 00:06:16.439 --> 00:06:19.199 between J. C. Penny and Ethan Allen and we are 135 00:06:19.240 --> 00:06:23.319 selling meat. It's home set stakes twenty Ribby's for forty dollars. 136 00:06:23.199 --> 00:06:25.879 Is their weekend meat set. Come on buy and say hi. 137 00:06:25.959 --> 00:06:29.000 They've got a bunch of other deals on folk as 138 00:06:29.040 --> 00:06:32.759 far as steak, chicken, pork chops, and seafood. All payments accepted. 139 00:06:32.839 --> 00:06:34.600 Come on buy and say what's up. One O four 140 00:06:34.680 --> 00:06:38.079 five zero, South State Street number two three two zero. 141 00:06:38.839 --> 00:06:40.040 First guest, right out of the gates. 142 00:06:40.040 --> 00:06:43.120 One of our favorites from the golf channel, Rex Haggard's 143 00:06:43.120 --> 00:06:47.759 gonna stop by two talk Masters Golf two Roundswell, one 144 00:06:47.839 --> 00:06:50.720 round in the books, Round two going on right now. 145 00:06:51.360 --> 00:06:53.319 And we'll get with Rex today about. 146 00:06:53.160 --> 00:06:56.920 All the storylines from Augusta where little rain overnight softened 147 00:06:56.959 --> 00:06:58.839 up the course, so conditions pretty. 148 00:06:58.759 --> 00:06:59.639 Pretty good today. 149 00:07:00.240 --> 00:07:03.000 And then Howard Beck stops by NBA Daily Assist style, 150 00:07:03.600 --> 00:07:07.600 Christopher cam Rodnie Friday, State Ble Ofvars typically on site. 151 00:07:07.600 --> 00:07:09.360 But we're not getting c K out south I can 152 00:07:09.399 --> 00:07:13.879 tell you that much. But Richard Smith is a soldier, 153 00:07:13.920 --> 00:07:16.680 he is a hero. He will drive out and join 154 00:07:16.759 --> 00:07:18.720 us if he can find us at one O four 155 00:07:18.839 --> 00:07:21.439 five zero South State Street number two three two zero. 156 00:07:22.079 --> 00:07:25.000 And then Paul Pugmyer live at Augusta. I believe Paul's 157 00:07:25.000 --> 00:07:26.639 at Augusta. He was there for the drive, chip and 158 00:07:26.720 --> 00:07:30.360 putt to kind of give us a recap of the 159 00:07:30.360 --> 00:07:31.040 first two rounds. 160 00:07:31.040 --> 00:07:33.399 By the time Paul hops on, the majority of. 161 00:07:33.360 --> 00:07:35.079 The golfers will be in the clubhouse, so we'll have 162 00:07:35.120 --> 00:07:36.439 an idea of what the weekend. 163 00:07:36.199 --> 00:07:36.839 Is going to look like. 164 00:07:37.480 --> 00:07:42.480 Cuttline as of now is two over par, two over par. 165 00:07:42.639 --> 00:07:46.279 That could change, and we'll kind of give you an 166 00:07:46.319 --> 00:07:48.240 update on the players that will be playing over the 167 00:07:48.240 --> 00:07:50.920 weekend and the players that are going. 168 00:07:50.759 --> 00:07:51.680 To be going home. 169 00:07:52.279 --> 00:07:56.199 Tony Fenow, one under through eight, is currently at two 170 00:07:56.199 --> 00:08:00.360 over par. He is literally the last golfer along with 171 00:08:00.720 --> 00:08:04.959 Keigan Bradley, Oksha Bata as well. Uh Okha is in 172 00:08:04.959 --> 00:08:08.040 the clubhouse, as is Denny McCarthy, so they will make 173 00:08:08.079 --> 00:08:08.519 the cut. 174 00:08:08.839 --> 00:08:10.040 But Tony's got work to do. 175 00:08:10.360 --> 00:08:13.759 Tony is the last golfer above the cut line to 176 00:08:13.800 --> 00:08:15.639 play over the weekend. So we'll keep you up to 177 00:08:15.720 --> 00:08:19.120 dan on our local boy Tony fen Ou today, Rex Hoggard, 178 00:08:19.160 --> 00:08:22.759 Howard Beck, Chris Comaraddie, Richard Smith, Paul Pugmyer, Me Spence Check, 179 00:08:22.839 --> 00:08:25.519 Its all of you the great listeners. Come on out 180 00:08:25.560 --> 00:08:27.519 and see US at one O four five zero South 181 00:08:27.560 --> 00:08:29.600 State Street, number two three two zero. 182 00:08:29.720 --> 00:08:31.000 That's the best way to find us. 183 00:08:31.519 --> 00:08:35.120 And then about thirty minutes, I would say, let's see 184 00:08:35.120 --> 00:08:38.080 northwest of us. That's where we find the producer of 185 00:08:38.080 --> 00:08:40.720 this program, Porter Larson, who likes himself a rid by 186 00:08:40.799 --> 00:08:41.519 from time to time. 187 00:08:41.559 --> 00:08:43.360 Do I have that understood correctly, young man? 188 00:08:43.559 --> 00:08:47.080 I was gonna say, twenty for forty. Uh, that'll get 189 00:08:47.120 --> 00:08:49.960 That'll get me down there. If they're still open after 190 00:08:49.960 --> 00:08:51.639 the show, I'll be I'll be head of your way. 191 00:08:51.799 --> 00:08:53.440 You won't be able to find it. I don't trust 192 00:08:53.440 --> 00:08:55.919 your inner compass. You would. You would never be able 193 00:08:55.919 --> 00:08:56.759 to find where we're at. 194 00:08:57.080 --> 00:08:57.679 Uh. 195 00:08:57.919 --> 00:09:00.159 If I get a whiff of those stakes, I'll be there. 196 00:09:00.200 --> 00:09:01.159 I'll be there at the time. 197 00:09:01.440 --> 00:09:02.360 It is a great deal. 198 00:09:02.840 --> 00:09:05.200 Danny, one of the guys who's running the thing, really 199 00:09:05.279 --> 00:09:05.759 nice guy. 200 00:09:05.799 --> 00:09:07.679 He brought me over to show me the cuts. 201 00:09:07.720 --> 00:09:10.000 I mean, these are not like frozen meats that you 202 00:09:10.039 --> 00:09:11.919 get from like Trump International or whatever. 203 00:09:11.919 --> 00:09:13.559 These are high quality pieces of meat. 204 00:09:14.320 --> 00:09:17.240 So twenty ribbis for only forty dollars, that's right, two 205 00:09:17.320 --> 00:09:21.200 dollars per steak. It is their weekend meat set out 206 00:09:21.200 --> 00:09:24.600 here at one oh four five zero, South State Street 207 00:09:24.679 --> 00:09:27.720 number two three two zero. All right, our first guest 208 00:09:27.799 --> 00:09:29.879 right out of the gates, Rex hockerd from the Golf 209 00:09:29.960 --> 00:09:32.919 Channel Butt before we get to Rex. Courtesy of our 210 00:09:32.919 --> 00:09:35.559 good friends at Prize Picks, it is time now for 211 00:09:35.600 --> 00:09:36.320 your opening tip. 212 00:09:36.960 --> 00:09:39.399 Welcome to the Drive with Spence. Check its on Utah's 213 00:09:39.440 --> 00:09:42.799 number one Sports Talk. Now into the studios of ESPN 214 00:09:42.879 --> 00:09:45.399 seven hundred to set the scene for the show. The 215 00:09:45.480 --> 00:09:47.519 opening tip of the Drive is brought to you by 216 00:09:47.559 --> 00:09:51.840 Prize Picks. 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Martin Schiller 238 00:10:55.759 --> 00:10:58.600 has been added to Alex Jensen's staff. 239 00:10:58.679 --> 00:10:59.799 Martin Shiller is. 240 00:10:59.759 --> 00:11:03.120 A well known name in the world of both college 241 00:11:03.120 --> 00:11:06.320 and pro basketball. And Richard Smith is going to join 242 00:11:06.399 --> 00:11:09.120 us coming up in a little bit, and Smittye, I'm 243 00:11:09.159 --> 00:11:12.879 sure will provide some insight on who Martin Schiller is. 244 00:11:12.960 --> 00:11:16.960 So Schiller comes to Utah with a bunch of different 245 00:11:17.360 --> 00:11:22.919 types of experience, head coach, assistant coach internationally in the NBA. 246 00:11:23.600 --> 00:11:25.840 He was an assistant coach for the German national team 247 00:11:25.879 --> 00:11:30.000 from twenty fifteen to twenty nineteen. And Alex and Martin 248 00:11:30.039 --> 00:11:33.840 Schiller I've known each other for basically a decade, so 249 00:11:33.919 --> 00:11:37.440 this is an interesting addition, because one of the ways 250 00:11:37.440 --> 00:11:40.039 to kind of even the playing field if you're not 251 00:11:40.120 --> 00:11:43.480 necessarily in the same nil stratosphere. Some of the highest 252 00:11:43.480 --> 00:11:46.360 spenders in college basketball, namely the school that plays about 253 00:11:46.360 --> 00:11:51.480 forty miles down south, is to tap into some international prospects, 254 00:11:51.480 --> 00:11:52.960 and Utah Basketball. 255 00:11:52.480 --> 00:11:53.720 Has done that for a number of years. 256 00:11:53.799 --> 00:11:57.200 Hano Mettel and Andrew Boget and others. 257 00:11:57.919 --> 00:11:58.759 I could keep going. 258 00:11:59.159 --> 00:12:03.679 And Martin has a tremendous amount of connections and experience 259 00:12:04.159 --> 00:12:09.360 overseas Germany twenties Phoeba European Championship, and you know, I 260 00:12:09.559 --> 00:12:13.159 could keep going. He coached the Salt Lake City Stars 261 00:12:13.200 --> 00:12:16.639 for three years from twenty seventeen to twenty twenty, and 262 00:12:16.679 --> 00:12:19.159 he won Coach of the Year in twenty twenty after 263 00:12:19.279 --> 00:12:22.279 leading the Stars to the Western Conference regular season title. 264 00:12:23.080 --> 00:12:24.600 So yeah. 265 00:12:24.639 --> 00:12:27.360 During his time with the German national team, he worked 266 00:12:27.399 --> 00:12:30.519 with players like Derk Noviitsky, Dennis Shrewda, Daniel Tice. He 267 00:12:30.559 --> 00:12:33.879 could get you know, other players internationally. So this guy, 268 00:12:33.960 --> 00:12:36.559 this is a guy who has been a head coach 269 00:12:36.879 --> 00:12:37.720 in the G League. 270 00:12:37.720 --> 00:12:39.200 He has been an assistant coach. 271 00:12:39.000 --> 00:12:43.399 Internationally and with a ton of experience when it comes 272 00:12:43.440 --> 00:12:45.519 to both domestic. 273 00:12:45.200 --> 00:12:46.600 And international players. 274 00:12:47.519 --> 00:12:50.120 And like I was saying, I mean, there are certainly 275 00:12:50.960 --> 00:12:55.480 certainly programs right now that have deep pockets and nil 276 00:12:56.919 --> 00:12:59.399 you know, nil funds at their disposal when they're able 277 00:12:59.399 --> 00:13:02.840 to go out and simply by players, which is what 278 00:13:02.879 --> 00:13:05.720 BYU is doing right now. We found the news out 279 00:13:05.799 --> 00:13:09.240 yesterday from Jeff Goodman that Rob Wright, a point guard 280 00:13:09.279 --> 00:13:12.679 from Baylor who had signed a one million dollar contract 281 00:13:12.679 --> 00:13:16.039 to stay at Baylor, decided to leave and not honor 282 00:13:16.080 --> 00:13:19.559 that deal because BYU offered him triple that three million 283 00:13:19.600 --> 00:13:24.080 dollars for Rob Wright. So Kevin Young has his point guard, 284 00:13:24.480 --> 00:13:28.000 and according to multiple sources, Darien Williams, who played at 285 00:13:28.000 --> 00:13:29.200 Texas Tech last year and. 286 00:13:29.200 --> 00:13:32.120 Had a really really good year, is leaning. 287 00:13:31.799 --> 00:13:35.600 Towards signing with BYU as well, and according to reports, 288 00:13:35.600 --> 00:13:39.159 it is another seven figure player. They're looking to bring 289 00:13:39.240 --> 00:13:44.120 Richie Saunders back at a seven figure salary. AJ debantsa 290 00:13:44.240 --> 00:13:47.600 seven million for five months of basketball, Rob Wright three 291 00:13:47.639 --> 00:13:52.879 million dollars, Richie Sonders seven figures, reportedly Darien Williams seven 292 00:13:52.919 --> 00:13:56.360 figures as well. I don't know what BYU's total NIL 293 00:13:57.120 --> 00:14:00.960 spend will be during this offseason, but it's already inching 294 00:14:01.200 --> 00:14:04.159 closer and closer and closer to twelve thirteen million dollars, 295 00:14:04.200 --> 00:14:07.679 and that's for four or five players. So we are 296 00:14:07.720 --> 00:14:11.240 moving a little bit closer to the house. First NCAA settlement, 297 00:14:11.360 --> 00:14:13.799 and once we have that, we'll have a little bit 298 00:14:14.399 --> 00:14:17.960 more structure and a little more clear guidelines and some guardrails. 299 00:14:17.960 --> 00:14:21.360 We talked to Morgan Scalley about this yesterday. So by 300 00:14:21.440 --> 00:14:24.120 you adding more players VI the transfer portal, Alex Jensen 301 00:14:24.120 --> 00:14:26.639 making more additions to the staff. And about an hour 302 00:14:26.720 --> 00:14:30.720 ago news broke that Rico Sylvester has been hired as 303 00:14:30.759 --> 00:14:33.720 the director of Operations and player Personnel for. 304 00:14:33.759 --> 00:14:35.559 The Utah men's basketball program. 305 00:14:35.679 --> 00:14:39.480 So now we are learning what this coaching staff is 306 00:14:39.480 --> 00:14:41.399 going to look like. Now we are seeing the coaching 307 00:14:41.399 --> 00:14:44.600 staff rounded out. Now we got to get some players. Okay, 308 00:14:44.639 --> 00:14:46.919 we know the Keana daz is coming back, Terrence Brown 309 00:14:46.919 --> 00:14:49.519 the transfer from FDU, but that's only. 310 00:14:49.360 --> 00:14:52.360 Two players from for a roster that has to fill out. 311 00:14:52.919 --> 00:14:56.559 So Rico Sylvester, Junior is your director of Operations and 312 00:14:56.600 --> 00:14:57.879 player of Personnel for the Utes. 313 00:14:57.919 --> 00:14:59.799 Wes Wilcox is your general manager. 314 00:15:00.279 --> 00:15:05.600 Raphael chilias Eric Daniels, and now Martin Schiller are three 315 00:15:05.639 --> 00:15:09.000 coaches that will be sitting alongside Alex Jensen. Now will 316 00:15:09.039 --> 00:15:11.639 there'll be additional hires on the coaching staff. Only time 317 00:15:11.639 --> 00:15:14.279 will tell, but Alex has referenced on a couple of occasions, 318 00:15:14.320 --> 00:15:17.399 including with our very own Sean O'Connell this week, that 319 00:15:17.519 --> 00:15:20.480 he is looking to keep this staff a little bit 320 00:15:20.519 --> 00:15:24.639 smaller than most of the college basketball staffs around the country, 321 00:15:25.320 --> 00:15:27.360 which I like, to be honest with you, I'm old 322 00:15:27.440 --> 00:15:29.639 enough to remember when Jerry Sloan had Phil Johnson and 323 00:15:29.639 --> 00:15:34.879 Gordy Chasa, or rickman Jeris had Jeff Judkins and Dick 324 00:15:34.960 --> 00:15:37.240 Hunt Saker and like Donnie Daniels, I mean, two or 325 00:15:37.240 --> 00:15:38.679 three assistant coaches used to be. 326 00:15:38.639 --> 00:15:40.480 The norm in basketball. 327 00:15:40.519 --> 00:15:42.679 And now you see three or four coaches on the 328 00:15:42.679 --> 00:15:45.559 front row, four or five coaches on the second row, 329 00:15:45.600 --> 00:15:47.360 and even sometimes third row coaches. 330 00:15:47.399 --> 00:15:49.960 And I'm never fully short what all these people do. 331 00:15:50.559 --> 00:15:53.440 But we are seeing Alex Jensen fill out his staff now, 332 00:15:54.159 --> 00:15:56.039 and we're seeing by you add more players via the 333 00:15:56.080 --> 00:15:56.840 transfer portal. 334 00:15:57.320 --> 00:15:58.080 Utah Jazz. 335 00:15:58.080 --> 00:16:00.960 With our final home game of this season tonight, they 336 00:16:01.000 --> 00:16:03.360 are going to take on the best team in the 337 00:16:03.360 --> 00:16:05.879 Western Conference, maybe the best team in the NBA is 338 00:16:05.919 --> 00:16:09.159 Oklahoma City is in town to take on the Jazz 339 00:16:09.200 --> 00:16:10.519 Big Night in the NBA last night. 340 00:16:10.559 --> 00:16:12.159 We'll go over some of the storylines Big. 341 00:16:12.120 --> 00:16:14.840 Night in the NBA tonight, But we are live today 342 00:16:15.360 --> 00:16:18.919 at one oh four five zero South State Street, number 343 00:16:18.960 --> 00:16:21.639 two three two zero, And all I can tell you 344 00:16:21.720 --> 00:16:22.559 is that we're selling meat. 345 00:16:22.759 --> 00:16:23.799 That's what it comes down to. 346 00:16:24.279 --> 00:16:26.679 So put that address in your GPS and come on 347 00:16:26.720 --> 00:16:27.120 out here. 348 00:16:27.279 --> 00:16:29.600 Keep following your GPS. Just trust it. 349 00:16:29.679 --> 00:16:32.799 You'll see the ESPN seven hundred van and you'll see 350 00:16:32.840 --> 00:16:34.879 the van with the meat with our friends at Homestead 351 00:16:34.919 --> 00:16:38.360 Steaks where they're selling twenty ribbys for forty dollars. That's right, 352 00:16:38.399 --> 00:16:42.159 two dollars a piece for these great ribbs. They're open 353 00:16:42.279 --> 00:16:44.759 until eight o'clock tonight, then they're going to reopen tomorrow 354 00:16:44.799 --> 00:16:46.840 at ten am and go and tell eight pm. Then 355 00:16:46.919 --> 00:16:49.120 on Sunday it's eleven am to six pm. With our 356 00:16:49.120 --> 00:16:52.720 good friends out here at Homestead Steaks. They're selling twenty 357 00:16:52.759 --> 00:16:55.639 rivis for forty dollars. That's really all you need to know. 358 00:16:55.879 --> 00:16:57.840 And I can tell you I walked over and checked 359 00:16:57.879 --> 00:17:01.279 out the cuts. These are high quality pieces. It is 360 00:17:01.320 --> 00:17:05.079 their weekend meet sale for twenty revis for only forty dollars. 361 00:17:05.720 --> 00:17:07.599 A little complicated to fine. We're in the middle of 362 00:17:07.599 --> 00:17:09.279 a park. We're in the middle of a parking lot. 363 00:17:09.279 --> 00:17:12.720 It's one o four five zero South State Street number 364 00:17:12.720 --> 00:17:15.519 two three two zero. One oh four five zero south 365 00:17:15.680 --> 00:17:17.839 State Street number two three two zero. 366 00:17:18.519 --> 00:17:20.400 Just put that in your GPS and then trust it. 367 00:17:20.519 --> 00:17:20.960 Keep going. 368 00:17:21.000 --> 00:17:23.079 You're gonna think that you're not there yet, but you'll 369 00:17:23.160 --> 00:17:27.240 you'll get there. ESPN seven hundred and is your touch point. 370 00:17:27.279 --> 00:17:30.559 And the noise in the background will continue until six 371 00:17:30.599 --> 00:17:33.880 o'clock tonight. Nothing we can do about it. Little windy 372 00:17:34.039 --> 00:17:36.319 today in Salt Lake City. I wonder how the conditions 373 00:17:36.319 --> 00:17:40.480 are at Augusta, Georgia, Paul Pugmyer, Happy Friday, sir. 374 00:17:40.519 --> 00:17:42.400 Are you still there? Are you still at the tournament? 375 00:17:43.759 --> 00:17:44.440 I am not. 376 00:17:45.440 --> 00:17:49.200 I'm back home and playing here today. But yeah, the 377 00:17:49.880 --> 00:17:53.559 flags are standing up at Augusta. They got little breeze. 378 00:17:53.920 --> 00:17:57.400 Okay, all right, Paul, Well, let's get into a couple 379 00:17:57.440 --> 00:18:00.680 of different storylines, and let's not bury the lead, because 380 00:18:00.759 --> 00:18:03.480 the man in the lead deserves our attention. As Justin 381 00:18:03.599 --> 00:18:07.839 Rose had himself a day yesterday. Now Justin has led 382 00:18:07.880 --> 00:18:10.640 this tournament, has been tied or has led I think 383 00:18:10.759 --> 00:18:12.160 nine times is what I read. 384 00:18:12.240 --> 00:18:13.839 And it's not the first time. 385 00:18:13.880 --> 00:18:16.920 He had a dynamite round one and he was fine today. 386 00:18:16.960 --> 00:18:18.799 He's just kind of hung in there and he has. 387 00:18:18.640 --> 00:18:20.240 The lead so far. 388 00:18:20.440 --> 00:18:22.880 And there are plenty of golfers out on the course, 389 00:18:22.920 --> 00:18:25.559 including Scotti Scheffler. We'll get the Scotty in a moment. 390 00:18:25.920 --> 00:18:27.640 But what do you make of Justin Rose? Eight under 391 00:18:27.640 --> 00:18:28.640 park through two rounds. 392 00:18:30.599 --> 00:18:33.400 Justin's a big game hunter. He's forty four years old 393 00:18:33.480 --> 00:18:37.440 and he is on the downhill side of his career. 394 00:18:38.119 --> 00:18:42.400 But his record speaks for itself, and to see him 395 00:18:42.519 --> 00:18:46.160 in the lead in any major championship is not a surprise. 396 00:18:46.720 --> 00:18:50.000 Doubly sort, Augusta, because like you correctly pointed out, he 397 00:18:50.079 --> 00:18:53.079 has been in the lead. This is the ninth time 398 00:18:53.160 --> 00:18:56.440 he's Today would be the tenth time nine times he's 399 00:18:56.440 --> 00:19:00.799 been in the lead. That's a conclusion of a round, Augusta. 400 00:19:00.839 --> 00:19:04.039 In the Masters, he has a great record here. He's 401 00:19:04.079 --> 00:19:09.039 finished second, he was in the playoff with defeated by 402 00:19:09.680 --> 00:19:15.200 Sergio Garcia in twenty seventeen. No big surprise to see 403 00:19:15.400 --> 00:19:18.039 Justin Rose play well in this event at. 404 00:19:17.920 --> 00:19:21.440 All, how would you handicap his chances as we move 405 00:19:21.559 --> 00:19:23.160 and we'll get to the cut line and we'll see 406 00:19:23.160 --> 00:19:25.319 if Tony's going to hang in there, but he is 407 00:19:25.359 --> 00:19:28.279 your leader through too in moving day tomorrow, how do 408 00:19:28.319 --> 00:19:30.559 you handicap Justin's chances to hang in there and make 409 00:19:30.599 --> 00:19:31.440 Sunday interesting. 410 00:19:33.400 --> 00:19:35.880 Well, look at the leaderboard right now, let's got the 411 00:19:35.880 --> 00:19:39.640 top five. It is a major champion, major champion, major champion, 412 00:19:39.720 --> 00:19:44.559 major champion, major champion. Augusta brings the cream to the top. 413 00:19:44.599 --> 00:19:48.200 And that is exactly what's happening right now today, and 414 00:19:48.240 --> 00:19:51.640 the wind is a part of that. But what's going 415 00:19:51.680 --> 00:19:54.920 on with Justin is that he is now this is 416 00:19:55.000 --> 00:19:58.359 becoming a Ryder Cup scenario with the best of the 417 00:19:58.400 --> 00:20:02.079 best of the best our playing on the best course 418 00:20:02.440 --> 00:20:05.960 in the best tournament. That's exactly what you want to see. 419 00:20:06.359 --> 00:20:10.160 And so he very definitely he's got the juice to 420 00:20:10.200 --> 00:20:12.559 make this happen. But he's going to have to go 421 00:20:12.680 --> 00:20:15.599 through several of the very best in the world. 422 00:20:16.119 --> 00:20:18.200 And let's talk about the very best in the world 423 00:20:18.240 --> 00:20:21.599 that joined Justin Rose on a very crowded and exciting 424 00:20:21.799 --> 00:20:24.839 leader board to picture what Saturday and Sunday could look 425 00:20:24.960 --> 00:20:27.799 like And I know I'm supposed to be here for 426 00:20:27.839 --> 00:20:32.720 the Bryce and d Shambeau resurrection and the personality turnaround 427 00:20:32.759 --> 00:20:34.160 and everybody suddenly loves him. 428 00:20:34.519 --> 00:20:37.119 I can't do it. He is so corny. I'm sorry, 429 00:20:37.160 --> 00:20:38.079 but he's so good. 430 00:20:38.200 --> 00:20:41.319 Okay, Like I will admit that he's good, but he's 431 00:20:41.359 --> 00:20:42.119 just one of those guys. 432 00:20:42.160 --> 00:20:43.200 Want to hear him interviewed. 433 00:20:43.240 --> 00:20:45.160 I don't believe he's authentic at all, but that's just me. 434 00:20:45.279 --> 00:20:47.920 Will take the personal side out of it. He cards 435 00:20:47.920 --> 00:20:50.920 a sixty eight today after sixty nine yesterday. 436 00:20:51.440 --> 00:20:53.599 I think I read that his the average off the 437 00:20:53.640 --> 00:20:55.839 tee was like three p forty, which is so dumb. 438 00:20:56.440 --> 00:20:58.960 But he's at seven undred seven hunderd par, one stroke 439 00:20:59.000 --> 00:21:01.920 behind Justin Rose. Do you make of the defending US 440 00:21:02.200 --> 00:21:05.160 Open champs first two rounds of Augusta? 441 00:21:06.039 --> 00:21:11.200 Again, no big surprise. He has done well here before 442 00:21:11.720 --> 00:21:14.920 he as you note, he is defending US Open champ. 443 00:21:15.000 --> 00:21:18.359 He's been that twice. He is the low amateur back 444 00:21:18.400 --> 00:21:22.279 in his college days at Augusta, so he has had 445 00:21:22.359 --> 00:21:27.279 some success in this tournament on this golf course. He 446 00:21:27.559 --> 00:21:32.680 has what I think is a self induced handicap to 447 00:21:32.759 --> 00:21:39.319 overcome to win at Augusta. Augusta requires a combination of deft, 448 00:21:39.640 --> 00:21:45.000 artistry and visualization in the short game, in the chipping, 449 00:21:45.200 --> 00:21:49.279 in the greenside game, because nobody is going to hit 450 00:21:49.839 --> 00:21:52.880 all the greens. Nobody's going to hit more than thirteen greens. 451 00:21:52.920 --> 00:21:56.200 It just doesn't happen to that golf course. And the 452 00:21:56.319 --> 00:21:59.480 reality is when you look at the greatest short game 453 00:21:59.519 --> 00:22:01.960 players in the history of the game, they are all 454 00:22:02.119 --> 00:22:05.440 people who gripped down on the club, crowded the ball, 455 00:22:05.559 --> 00:22:07.480 got their hands in their body as close to the 456 00:22:07.480 --> 00:22:11.079 ball as possible, and used the artistry in their eyes 457 00:22:11.119 --> 00:22:16.240 and in their hands. Dave Chambeau self selects out of 458 00:22:16.279 --> 00:22:23.319 that with his skiff and single length clubs, and so 459 00:22:24.359 --> 00:22:28.359 I have immense respect for his game. I have immense 460 00:22:28.400 --> 00:22:31.519 respect for the way he approaches the game. I totally 461 00:22:31.599 --> 00:22:34.720 understand folks like you who say you don't you're not 462 00:22:34.759 --> 00:22:38.279 on board of his personality. Fine doesn't matter, but his 463 00:22:38.400 --> 00:22:41.640 game is absolutely one of the best in the world. 464 00:22:42.240 --> 00:22:45.319 The hole in his game is exactly one of the 465 00:22:45.359 --> 00:22:49.759 things that Augusta demands, and that is creativity and artistry 466 00:22:49.759 --> 00:22:51.920 in the short game. If he is able to get 467 00:22:51.960 --> 00:22:55.000 over the top at Augusta. He will be doing it 468 00:22:55.200 --> 00:22:57.759 going against a self imposed limit. 469 00:22:58.640 --> 00:23:00.000 You know, Paul, Here's what it is. 470 00:23:00.839 --> 00:23:04.000 You know, growing up, you're in high school, college or whatever, 471 00:23:04.279 --> 00:23:07.359 and the guys that try really hard to be cool, 472 00:23:07.599 --> 00:23:09.240 like way too hard to be cool are. 473 00:23:09.160 --> 00:23:11.079 The ones that are never cool. That's what it is 474 00:23:11.119 --> 00:23:11.359 with me. 475 00:23:11.519 --> 00:23:14.200 I think he just tries so hard because he was 476 00:23:14.240 --> 00:23:16.559 so hated for so long, and you could tell that 477 00:23:16.559 --> 00:23:19.279 that bothered him, and I just think he's gone over 478 00:23:19.319 --> 00:23:21.720 the top the other direction to try to convince people 479 00:23:21.720 --> 00:23:23.759 that he's this authentic dude, and I just don't buy it. 480 00:23:23.799 --> 00:23:24.359 That's all it is. 481 00:23:25.640 --> 00:23:29.359 No, it's totally fair. But I've got a question for you. 482 00:23:29.440 --> 00:23:31.759 After seeing his over the house thing, did you want 483 00:23:31.799 --> 00:23:34.160 to go try to hit a shot over some house 484 00:23:34.200 --> 00:23:35.880 and see if you could hit it onto something. 485 00:23:36.519 --> 00:23:38.720 No, because Bryson did it. If Rory did, it would 486 00:23:38.720 --> 00:23:39.160 have been different. 487 00:23:39.200 --> 00:23:42.599 Okay, Okay, God, look I'm being too are so that 488 00:23:42.920 --> 00:23:45.519 was really cool. And by the way, I'm here for 489 00:23:45.680 --> 00:23:50.000 people are redeemable. I'm here for reclamation stories. And you know, 490 00:23:50.119 --> 00:23:51.160 let me ask you one more thing. 491 00:23:51.200 --> 00:23:53.200 How do you think it affected him personally? 492 00:23:53.279 --> 00:23:56.160 Where you know, kind of the origin of it was 493 00:23:56.200 --> 00:23:59.480 the kepka back and forth when Brooks was on camera 494 00:23:59.599 --> 00:24:01.759 rolling his eyes at him, and then some other players 495 00:24:02.319 --> 00:24:06.119 around tour kind of scoffed at his whole like approach 496 00:24:06.200 --> 00:24:08.279 where it just felt like he was trying to sound 497 00:24:08.319 --> 00:24:10.200 like the smartest guy in there in the room all 498 00:24:10.240 --> 00:24:13.599 the time. Do you how do you think that affected him, 499 00:24:13.599 --> 00:24:16.599 because he clearly has gone about this intentionally to try 500 00:24:16.640 --> 00:24:19.640 to help people understand that he's not this weird dude 501 00:24:19.680 --> 00:24:21.279 that thinks he's smarter than everybody else. 502 00:24:22.680 --> 00:24:26.440 Yeah, I think he. I think he heard what people 503 00:24:26.440 --> 00:24:29.319 were saying, saw what people were doing, and made adjustments 504 00:24:29.960 --> 00:24:33.119 and and changed his approach to a few different things. 505 00:24:33.240 --> 00:24:35.880 And I admire that. I admire I admire the guy 506 00:24:35.920 --> 00:24:39.240 for trying different things, and then I admire him more 507 00:24:39.720 --> 00:24:42.319 for saying, Okay, that didn't work, I'm gonna do something different. 508 00:24:43.799 --> 00:24:47.480 He is a polarizing figure. I totally understand that, and 509 00:24:47.519 --> 00:24:54.240 I understand why. But ultimately, ultimately, for me, it's all 510 00:24:55.440 --> 00:24:59.559 I saw him in person several years ago before he 511 00:24:59.680 --> 00:25:03.000 both up, but he was lacing five irons that were 512 00:25:03.039 --> 00:25:08.039 occupying shot after shot the exact same airspace one after another. 513 00:25:08.240 --> 00:25:11.480 It was amazing to see and I've been a fan 514 00:25:11.519 --> 00:25:12.400 of his since then. 515 00:25:12.680 --> 00:25:15.559 He's obviously a remarkable talent. There's no denying that. 516 00:25:15.640 --> 00:25:18.079 All right, let's move let's move on. We'll just kind 517 00:25:18.079 --> 00:25:20.799 of keep talking about some of the notables. And you know, 518 00:25:21.000 --> 00:25:25.960 watching Rory yesterday where look he was, he was dialed in, 519 00:25:26.200 --> 00:25:29.440 he was playing incredible golf yesterday. It was just two 520 00:25:29.519 --> 00:25:32.440 chip shots that got away from him and I felt 521 00:25:32.440 --> 00:25:35.079 bad man, a couple of doubles down the stretch. But 522 00:25:35.240 --> 00:25:38.599 how about a sixty six that as of now is 523 00:25:38.640 --> 00:25:40.920 the low round of the clubhouse. There's some other golfers 524 00:25:40.920 --> 00:25:43.359 out of the course. But what do you make of 525 00:25:43.599 --> 00:25:46.680 both the way Rory kind of fell apart once again 526 00:25:46.759 --> 00:25:49.599 down the stretch in round one and his ability to 527 00:25:49.640 --> 00:25:51.960 stay the course and get himself right back in it 528 00:25:52.000 --> 00:25:53.680 with his sixty six today, Paul. 529 00:25:55.000 --> 00:25:58.599 His sixty six is so impressive for a number of reasons. 530 00:25:58.680 --> 00:26:01.640 The biggest one is exactly what you say, because he's 531 00:26:01.720 --> 00:26:05.000 coming off in his first round on seventeen when he 532 00:26:05.039 --> 00:26:08.759 double bogied seventeen. That was his second double of the day, 533 00:26:08.839 --> 00:26:12.440 is second of the tournament, and he knows that nobody 534 00:26:12.440 --> 00:26:14.720 has ever won the Masters with two double bogies on 535 00:26:14.759 --> 00:26:17.680 their card. He knows that in the last twenty years 536 00:26:18.079 --> 00:26:21.079 that there's only been three winners with a double bogie 537 00:26:21.079 --> 00:26:23.680 on their card over seventy two holes, and one of 538 00:26:23.680 --> 00:26:27.359 those was when Scotty Scheff were four putted eighteen on 539 00:26:27.480 --> 00:26:29.680 Sunday when he had a five shot leading, it didn't matter, 540 00:26:30.519 --> 00:26:35.119 and yeah, yeah, and so so Rory knows this stuff. 541 00:26:35.240 --> 00:26:39.200 And for him to keep his act together and go 542 00:26:39.319 --> 00:26:43.440 back out and shoot sixty six, which in this wind, 543 00:26:43.839 --> 00:26:46.000 if it's not the low round of the day, somebody's 544 00:26:46.039 --> 00:26:49.720 going to do something really special. That is impressive that 545 00:26:50.319 --> 00:26:53.680 he's come back, but he still has two double bogies 546 00:26:53.720 --> 00:26:57.960 to overcome. Now, if he wins with two double bogies 547 00:26:57.960 --> 00:27:00.720 and seventy two holes, it means that he makes history. 548 00:27:00.960 --> 00:27:03.400 But who among us is more capable of making history 549 00:27:03.559 --> 00:27:06.920 than Rory McElroy. It's a pretty short list. 550 00:27:07.920 --> 00:27:08.400 Yeah. 551 00:27:08.519 --> 00:27:11.559 I felt like, excuse me, felt like most people that 552 00:27:12.039 --> 00:27:14.400 were kind of breaking down the tournament. I would watch 553 00:27:14.400 --> 00:27:18.400 a little golf Golf Channel coverage, then the ESPN stuff 554 00:27:18.400 --> 00:27:20.680 with Van Pelt. Believed this was going to be the 555 00:27:20.839 --> 00:27:24.680 Rory Scotti Show and let's move over now to Scotty Scheffler, 556 00:27:24.799 --> 00:27:27.079 who today is only one under, but card it is 557 00:27:27.160 --> 00:27:27.920 sixty eight. 558 00:27:28.279 --> 00:27:30.680 And it was just so rock solid. 559 00:27:30.759 --> 00:27:30.920 You know. 560 00:27:31.359 --> 00:27:35.279 ESPN plus has this channel where you can excuse me, 561 00:27:35.319 --> 00:27:37.759 the wind is now blowing allergies right into my face. 562 00:27:38.480 --> 00:27:42.240 ESPN Plus has this channel where you can watch specific players, 563 00:27:42.240 --> 00:27:45.279 and I tuned into the Scheffler channel and it's just 564 00:27:45.440 --> 00:27:50.160 so solid. It's just so like robotic almost but not 565 00:27:50.359 --> 00:27:54.079 a great round so far today, but it is Scotty Scheffler. 566 00:27:54.160 --> 00:27:57.400 So he is five under, which is t six one 567 00:27:57.480 --> 00:27:59.279 under through today. What do you make of the first 568 00:27:59.359 --> 00:28:02.319 kind of round and half of Scotty? 569 00:28:02.480 --> 00:28:05.319 He's right where he needs to be. First of all, 570 00:28:06.200 --> 00:28:09.799 nobody has four great rounds in the Masters. There's only 571 00:28:09.799 --> 00:28:13.680 been one time, only one time that anybody has had 572 00:28:13.759 --> 00:28:16.799 four rounds in the sixties, and that was Cam Smith 573 00:28:16.839 --> 00:28:21.319 in twenty twenty and he didn't even win. Just nobody 574 00:28:21.400 --> 00:28:25.279 has four great rounds at Augusta. And so if Scotty's 575 00:28:26.000 --> 00:28:27.960 off round, if you will, is today, and he shoots 576 00:28:27.960 --> 00:28:32.200 seventy one or seventy, then he's in great shape. And 577 00:28:32.240 --> 00:28:34.920 the thing to watch on Scotty is where he hits 578 00:28:34.960 --> 00:28:37.240 the ball relative to the pins and relative to the 579 00:28:37.480 --> 00:28:40.680 to the to the middle of the green. In other words, 580 00:28:41.039 --> 00:28:44.039 he very seldom takes on pins. He's hitting to the 581 00:28:44.039 --> 00:28:46.519 middle of the green or to the middle side of 582 00:28:46.559 --> 00:28:48.759 the green, which is just what Jack Nicholas did and 583 00:28:48.839 --> 00:28:51.119 just what Tiger Woods did. Oh and by the way, 584 00:28:51.119 --> 00:28:55.559 those are the two greatest players ever. And so what 585 00:28:55.640 --> 00:29:00.480 Shefferd does is where a course out by making sure 586 00:29:00.519 --> 00:29:01.759 that he doesn't make a mistake. 587 00:29:04.519 --> 00:29:06.440 Yeah, it's just, uh, you know, when you see all 588 00:29:06.480 --> 00:29:09.160 these other players get so loose, I mean, even the 589 00:29:09.200 --> 00:29:13.279 two mistakes Rory made yesterday, Paul, like Scotty just doesn't 590 00:29:13.319 --> 00:29:16.680 do that right, Like, it's so rare to see Scotty 591 00:29:16.759 --> 00:29:20.440 Scheffler make a gaff that that, you know, he actually 592 00:29:20.440 --> 00:29:21.880 just as I say that, he's just bogied. 593 00:29:21.920 --> 00:29:22.960 So now he's born in her park. 594 00:29:23.240 --> 00:29:27.119 But like the catastrophic mistakes that other golfers make, Paul, 595 00:29:27.200 --> 00:29:29.039 Scotty just doesn't seem to make those. 596 00:29:30.319 --> 00:29:35.759 No, No, and that's exactly it. And look the aphorism, 597 00:29:35.759 --> 00:29:38.880 and it holds itself true time and time again. Birdies 598 00:29:38.920 --> 00:29:43.279 don't win tournaments. Pars do anybody playing at this level 599 00:29:43.319 --> 00:29:45.680 can make birdies, and they all do. It's the guys 600 00:29:45.680 --> 00:29:47.759 who don't give them back that are there at the 601 00:29:47.839 --> 00:29:49.640 end of the at the end of the tournament and 602 00:29:49.720 --> 00:29:54.480 looking at a trophy. Scheffler that is his magic power 603 00:29:54.920 --> 00:30:00.119 is not giving things back. And yesterday on fifteen and 604 00:30:00.400 --> 00:30:03.200 McElroy hit that chip, he went into it too quickly, 605 00:30:03.480 --> 00:30:08.200 and while it's unfolding, I'm watching this and I'm thinking, uh, Rory, 606 00:30:09.079 --> 00:30:11.319 take take your time here, dude, this will run away 607 00:30:11.359 --> 00:30:14.079 from you. You gotta be a little more deliberate about 608 00:30:14.079 --> 00:30:17.519 this and find a soft landing spot. And he didn't, 609 00:30:18.079 --> 00:30:21.440 and the ball did run away from him and it 610 00:30:21.880 --> 00:30:24.599 went through the green and in the water on the 611 00:30:24.640 --> 00:30:29.599 far side. I think that was the kind of shot 612 00:30:29.720 --> 00:30:33.559 that just needed more consideration. And I can tell you 613 00:30:33.640 --> 00:30:35.640 Rory's not going to do that twice. 614 00:30:36.240 --> 00:30:38.480 Let me let me follow up there, because I was 615 00:30:38.519 --> 00:30:42.720 watching last night excuse me, goodness, gracious, it may not 616 00:30:42.759 --> 00:30:45.400 be windy and Augusta that it is out here in Sandy. 617 00:30:46.319 --> 00:30:49.200 I was watching the golf coverage after the round, the 618 00:30:49.240 --> 00:30:52.359 post coverage on Golf Channel, and I didn't realize it 619 00:30:52.519 --> 00:30:54.519 realized this in real time because I was watching a 620 00:30:54.519 --> 00:30:58.039 bunch of other groups. But apparently, I guess Akha Battilla 621 00:30:58.200 --> 00:31:01.319 hit it in the water and then took a lot 622 00:31:01.359 --> 00:31:03.759 of time to try to determine where he was going 623 00:31:03.839 --> 00:31:05.759 to drop it, and then took a lot of time. 624 00:31:05.519 --> 00:31:06.480 To hit his shot. 625 00:31:07.000 --> 00:31:09.440 So they were saying Rory was standing over that ship 626 00:31:09.440 --> 00:31:10.519 for five minutes. 627 00:31:11.759 --> 00:31:12.920 So do you think it. 628 00:31:12.880 --> 00:31:14.720 Was a case where maybe he was in his head 629 00:31:14.720 --> 00:31:17.559 too much, because to your point, when he stepped in it, 630 00:31:17.559 --> 00:31:19.839 it did look like he rushed the actual shot. But 631 00:31:19.880 --> 00:31:22.519 according to the Golf Channel guys, he was standing over 632 00:31:22.559 --> 00:31:25.759 the chip for five minutes, and Rory is a notorious, 633 00:31:25.799 --> 00:31:27.160 notoriously fast player. 634 00:31:27.160 --> 00:31:28.640 Do you think that messed with his head a little bit? 635 00:31:29.839 --> 00:31:32.160 You get very well, Mike Heavin. I appreciate you telling 636 00:31:32.160 --> 00:31:35.839 me that. I just at the time I was I 637 00:31:35.960 --> 00:31:38.359 was working to all my colleagues who were wondering, but 638 00:31:38.559 --> 00:31:42.440 I had the sound off on the TV and so 639 00:31:42.480 --> 00:31:44.759 I didn't hear the commentary, and so I didn't know 640 00:31:44.799 --> 00:31:49.000 that about Auk Shay. But that does make really good sense. 641 00:31:49.079 --> 00:31:51.240 But to me, when I just saw him step into 642 00:31:51.279 --> 00:31:54.240 that shot a little abruptly, I thought at the time, 643 00:31:54.839 --> 00:31:57.559 and then he just plane carried it too far into 644 00:31:57.599 --> 00:32:00.440 the fifteenth green. Now we have the advantage of having 645 00:32:00.480 --> 00:32:02.599 seen a couple of players hit that shot when Rory 646 00:32:02.680 --> 00:32:07.440 was playing other holes we're watching on TV. But you know, 647 00:32:07.480 --> 00:32:10.839 I've had the privilege of being being there standing on 648 00:32:10.880 --> 00:32:14.960 that green. It is so severe, and I know Rory 649 00:32:15.079 --> 00:32:19.880 knows this good land that it that shot just playing 650 00:32:20.000 --> 00:32:21.759 got away from him and I don't think he gave 651 00:32:21.799 --> 00:32:22.880 it the respect it needed. 652 00:32:23.440 --> 00:32:27.599 Is that the is that the green where Tiger Vern? 653 00:32:27.920 --> 00:32:31.160 Oh, my goodness, the tiger moment is that the green 654 00:32:31.200 --> 00:32:33.160 with the tiger chipped in that everybody has seen the 655 00:32:33.240 --> 00:32:34.359 highlight highlights up. 656 00:32:35.160 --> 00:32:39.200 Oh that was on sixteen from from over the back. 657 00:32:39.240 --> 00:32:43.119 And then what what Vern said was in your life 658 00:32:43.200 --> 00:32:46.119 of me or anything like that, which was a great call. 659 00:32:46.680 --> 00:32:49.599 But the answer was yes, actually three years prior, Davis 660 00:32:49.640 --> 00:32:51.359 Love did it from about the same spot. 661 00:32:51.519 --> 00:32:55.839 So, oh, do not do not shatter our dreams that 662 00:32:56.119 --> 00:32:57.759 you know, all of us that have watched the Vern 663 00:32:57.880 --> 00:33:00.200 call and believe that has never happened, for it will 664 00:33:00.200 --> 00:33:01.440 never happened to happen again. 665 00:33:02.960 --> 00:33:06.240 Well, the Verden call is really spectacular and it does 666 00:33:06.279 --> 00:33:08.160 set it apart. And look, it was one of the 667 00:33:08.160 --> 00:33:10.920 greatest shots in the history of the game. And it 668 00:33:11.000 --> 00:33:14.119 mattered because it was Sunday and because Tiger was in 669 00:33:14.160 --> 00:33:17.920 the mix. And when love get it, it was neither Sunday 670 00:33:17.920 --> 00:33:19.640 nor was he in the mix. And so all those 671 00:33:19.680 --> 00:33:22.799 things make Tigers the greatest, seriously, seriously, one of the 672 00:33:22.839 --> 00:33:25.359 greatest shots ever struck in the history of the game. 673 00:33:26.039 --> 00:33:27.680 Okay, we've got a little live. 674 00:33:29.039 --> 00:33:30.559 So I got seen it anyway. 675 00:33:30.480 --> 00:33:33.880 Okay, okay, fair enough, fair enough, Yeah, fair enough, Okay, 676 00:33:33.920 --> 00:33:35.279 We've got some bad news. 677 00:33:35.599 --> 00:33:36.720 Tony just bogied. 678 00:33:37.319 --> 00:33:41.359 So he's even through ten after carding a seventy five yesterday, 679 00:33:41.400 --> 00:33:46.279 which means as of now, with eight holes to play, 680 00:33:47.000 --> 00:33:50.000 Tony is three over par and the projected cut line 681 00:33:50.039 --> 00:33:54.359 is two over par, so he's one stroke behind the 682 00:33:54.440 --> 00:33:58.519 projected cut line. Canada's own Mike Weir, who lives in 683 00:33:58.599 --> 00:34:01.480 draper Fine, is coming home. He will not be playing 684 00:34:01.480 --> 00:34:03.480 over the weekend. But what do you make of where 685 00:34:03.480 --> 00:34:06.319 we're at right now? With Tony eight holes left, he's 686 00:34:06.359 --> 00:34:08.559 got to find at least one birdie if you want 687 00:34:08.559 --> 00:34:09.400 some play over the weekend. 688 00:34:10.960 --> 00:34:14.880 There are birdies out there, no question. On both thirteen 689 00:34:15.159 --> 00:34:17.679 and fifteen. Now, as we darn well know, and I 690 00:34:17.719 --> 00:34:21.079 have discussed here just over the last few minutes. Those 691 00:34:21.119 --> 00:34:23.679 holes also have double bogies waiting on them. Yeah, but 692 00:34:23.719 --> 00:34:28.639 those holes are get Those holes are gettable twelve with 693 00:34:29.039 --> 00:34:33.679 the front left pinplacement on twelve. Today it is gettable eleven. 694 00:34:33.719 --> 00:34:43.079 We better pay real respect to eleven. Same same to fourteen. Sixteen, always, always, always. 695 00:34:43.320 --> 00:34:46.119 Sixteen is hard. That green is so difficult to pet, 696 00:34:46.840 --> 00:34:51.039 and eighteen eighteen does not get enough credit for being 697 00:34:51.079 --> 00:34:53.639 a great hole and a hard hole, and especially a 698 00:34:53.679 --> 00:34:56.639 finishing hole as good as it is. Eighteen is like 699 00:34:56.719 --> 00:34:59.079 going straight up a wall. It's so steep and it 700 00:34:59.119 --> 00:35:02.519 doesn't show up on t but you can't see the 701 00:35:02.519 --> 00:35:06.360 green from the fairway. Eighteen is always so tough. Tony 702 00:35:06.360 --> 00:35:10.480 can get himself back inside the cut line, absolutely, but 703 00:35:10.679 --> 00:35:13.079 there's a lot of monsters waiting out there. 704 00:35:13.880 --> 00:35:16.679 So in order to be fair, I will point out 705 00:35:16.760 --> 00:35:21.039 that Arrell Hadden is six hunder par and he's three 706 00:35:21.119 --> 00:35:25.840 hundred through ten. Okay, let's see there's some other names 707 00:35:25.880 --> 00:35:29.320 here as well. Of course, Bryson. Bryson's a live guy. 708 00:35:29.519 --> 00:35:32.079 Terrell Hadden's a live guy. So we do have a 709 00:35:32.079 --> 00:35:34.280 couple of live guys that are showing pretty well. Patrick 710 00:35:34.320 --> 00:35:36.519 Reid is a two hundred par Bubba Watson's a one 711 00:35:36.559 --> 00:35:37.480 hunderd par as well. 712 00:35:38.239 --> 00:35:42.039 But when you look at so John Ram two over, Okay, 713 00:35:42.079 --> 00:35:43.840 he's going to play over the weekend. 714 00:35:43.920 --> 00:35:46.760 He's gonna make the cut, but a seventy five, seventy one. 715 00:35:47.480 --> 00:35:49.599 And I swear, Paul, when you and I first really 716 00:35:49.599 --> 00:35:53.239 started doing radio consistently, every time you'd hop on, I'd 717 00:35:53.280 --> 00:35:55.639 ask you, like, what the hell happened to John Ram? 718 00:35:55.679 --> 00:35:57.639 Why is he suddenly the best player in the world. 719 00:35:57.679 --> 00:35:59.840 Why is he suddenly the guy that everybody is scared of, 720 00:36:00.000 --> 00:36:04.559 including at the time, Scottie Scheffler. Then you have Dustin Johnson, 721 00:36:04.599 --> 00:36:07.679 who will miss the cut because he's in the clubhouse. 722 00:36:07.760 --> 00:36:09.559 He doesn't have any chances to get back over the 723 00:36:09.599 --> 00:36:13.960 cut line. You have Cameron Smith, once upon a time 724 00:36:14.039 --> 00:36:16.960 thought to be the you know, one of the rising 725 00:36:17.000 --> 00:36:19.599 young stars on the PGA Tour. You have five time 726 00:36:19.639 --> 00:36:22.639 major Champ Brooks Kepka, who will not be playing over 727 00:36:22.679 --> 00:36:26.679 the weekend. Phil Micholson, you know, looks like a lot 728 00:36:26.719 --> 00:36:28.280 of the live guys aren't gonna. 729 00:36:28.000 --> 00:36:30.719 Make the cut. Let's see where did I see? Phil? 730 00:36:31.280 --> 00:36:31.440 Oh? 731 00:36:31.480 --> 00:36:34.800 Now? Phil actually will play over the weekend, he rallied. 732 00:36:35.119 --> 00:36:38.639 Well, he's still on the course anyway, John Ram, Dustin, 733 00:36:38.719 --> 00:36:42.400 Johnson Brooks, Kepka as well as Cam Smith. Like those 734 00:36:42.440 --> 00:36:45.559 four guys at one point were four of the best players. 735 00:36:45.199 --> 00:36:46.000 In the world. 736 00:36:46.280 --> 00:36:49.119 What is fair to say about what Live has done 737 00:36:49.320 --> 00:36:52.920 to any or all of them? 738 00:36:54.639 --> 00:36:57.039 It is that is such a good question, and I 739 00:36:57.079 --> 00:37:00.679 think there are layers and layers and depths to really 740 00:37:00.679 --> 00:37:04.199 fully understand it. But let me skim a stone across 741 00:37:04.199 --> 00:37:08.280 a few of them. Number one, fifty four holes is 742 00:37:08.320 --> 00:37:11.800 not a complete test. It just is not, And don't 743 00:37:11.880 --> 00:37:15.159 ever let anybody tell you it is. Number two. When 744 00:37:15.199 --> 00:37:18.199 you don't have a cut, When you don't when you're 745 00:37:18.199 --> 00:37:22.440 not faced with the possibility of not making the weekend 746 00:37:22.519 --> 00:37:25.760 and not making a check, when you have to beat 747 00:37:26.159 --> 00:37:29.159 half the field in order to even make it to 748 00:37:29.719 --> 00:37:34.320 complete the event, it changes the dynamic. It's a very 749 00:37:34.440 --> 00:37:38.039 very different mental game. In quick digression, I think the 750 00:37:38.079 --> 00:37:41.719 PJ Tour is making a mistake taking the cut away 751 00:37:41.760 --> 00:37:45.559 from the elevated events there. The third thing about Live 752 00:37:46.159 --> 00:37:50.119 is that the shotgun start means a shotgun finish, which 753 00:37:50.159 --> 00:37:53.199 means that somebody who makes up ground on the field 754 00:37:53.639 --> 00:37:57.159 the last day of the tournament, does not finish the 755 00:37:57.239 --> 00:38:00.039 same holes in the same sequence of this in the 756 00:38:00.039 --> 00:38:03.280 same way that everybody else does, and it's a different dynamic. 757 00:38:03.360 --> 00:38:06.599 It changes the game. You add all of that together 758 00:38:06.880 --> 00:38:11.920 with the fact that nobody watches this stuff, the numbers 759 00:38:11.960 --> 00:38:16.519 are just next to zero. Live is virtually invisible in 760 00:38:16.719 --> 00:38:22.800 the in the media sphere. It these guys don't have 761 00:38:23.599 --> 00:38:26.280 the white hot light on them. And when you don't 762 00:38:26.320 --> 00:38:30.280 have the white hot light on you, you don't it 763 00:38:30.320 --> 00:38:33.920 doesn't steal you and temper you. And they're they're losing 764 00:38:33.920 --> 00:38:37.800 it a little bit. DJ he's on the he's on 765 00:38:37.840 --> 00:38:40.400 the down side of his career, just as getting to 766 00:38:40.440 --> 00:38:42.960 that age. That's fine, he has nothing to prove and 767 00:38:43.039 --> 00:38:48.239 nothing to apologize for. But Kopka Rom Dave Chambeau, Smith joking, 768 00:38:48.360 --> 00:38:54.000 Neeman Terrell Hatton, these guys are doing themselves a disservice 769 00:38:54.079 --> 00:38:56.440 to not always be in the white hot light. And 770 00:38:56.480 --> 00:38:59.199 I think it shows up in places like this week. 771 00:39:00.039 --> 00:39:02.239 Paul, before I set you loose, you're always good to 772 00:39:02.679 --> 00:39:05.039 put some perspective on who you think can actually win 773 00:39:05.079 --> 00:39:07.880 the thing over the weekend. And I believe I don't 774 00:39:07.880 --> 00:39:12.079 know if this was a Brandal Shambley fact from last night. 775 00:39:13.119 --> 00:39:15.920 Most I'll just say from my recollection, most of the 776 00:39:15.960 --> 00:39:18.199 winners come from the top five after the first in 777 00:39:18.239 --> 00:39:20.320 the second round, So if we stick in that space. 778 00:39:21.119 --> 00:39:23.639 So if we stick in that space, we're we'll call 779 00:39:23.679 --> 00:39:25.719 the cut at four under. And if we no, Oh, 780 00:39:25.760 --> 00:39:27.760 Scotty just made a birdie, so he's five under. I 781 00:39:27.800 --> 00:39:30.039 was just gonna include Farder because Scotty's there, but he's 782 00:39:30.039 --> 00:39:33.880 at five under. So justin Rowse Bryson, Deshamba, Rory McIlroy, 783 00:39:33.960 --> 00:39:37.960 Cord Connor's, Terrell Hatton, Matt McCarty, Shane Lowry, Jason Dave, 784 00:39:38.039 --> 00:39:40.440 Scotty Scheffler, and I'm gonna throw Victor Hovlin in there 785 00:39:40.440 --> 00:39:44.239 because I've seen him do amazing things. That's the list 786 00:39:44.280 --> 00:39:46.000 of the players that are in the top five and 787 00:39:46.039 --> 00:39:47.519 maybe just right outside looking in. 788 00:39:47.639 --> 00:39:50.000 Does the winner come from that group? Who do you 789 00:39:50.039 --> 00:39:50.599 think it is? 790 00:39:50.599 --> 00:39:53.079 Is there anybody from the outside, maybe Oberg who's at 791 00:39:53.119 --> 00:39:54.840 three under that you think can make it interesting? 792 00:39:56.719 --> 00:39:59.159 Yes, the winner comes from that group, which eliminate those 793 00:39:59.199 --> 00:40:02.320 who have not in a major championship with a leader 794 00:40:02.360 --> 00:40:04.920 board like this that is dominated by people who are 795 00:40:05.079 --> 00:40:08.440 already proven they can win a major championship. It'll be 796 00:40:08.519 --> 00:40:11.400 somebody doing it again, not somebody doing it for the 797 00:40:11.440 --> 00:40:14.920 first time. And so then it's got to come down 798 00:40:15.039 --> 00:40:18.679 to is Rory mclory going to make history and become 799 00:40:18.719 --> 00:40:20.800 the first player to win this thing with two double 800 00:40:20.800 --> 00:40:24.280 bodies on his card after what he did today in 801 00:40:24.360 --> 00:40:29.920 the wind, combined with what he's been doing, the way 802 00:40:29.960 --> 00:40:32.800 he's been playing and winning on great golf courses this year. 803 00:40:32.840 --> 00:40:35.960 He's on at Pebble Beach and he's won at TPC Sawgrass, 804 00:40:36.639 --> 00:40:41.039 and he brings technically a different tool, a different weapon 805 00:40:41.079 --> 00:40:42.760 to the game this year than he's ever had, and 806 00:40:42.800 --> 00:40:47.159 that is a three quarter swing short iron that comes 807 00:40:47.199 --> 00:40:50.239 in with less spin and so it's easier to control 808 00:40:50.280 --> 00:40:53.000 where it stops. I'm going to add all that and 809 00:40:53.039 --> 00:40:54.599 I'm sticking with Rory McElroy. 810 00:40:55.119 --> 00:40:56.519 Love it, Paul, Thank you sir. 811 00:40:56.639 --> 00:40:58.519 Enjoy the weekend and we'll get you back on soon. 812 00:40:59.079 --> 00:41:00.599 Oh wait wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, before you go, 813 00:41:00.760 --> 00:41:01.800 what's wait before you go? 814 00:41:01.840 --> 00:41:03.400 What's coming up on the show tomorrow? My bad? 815 00:41:04.719 --> 00:41:09.440 Oh, no, no problem at all. We're gonna be doing 816 00:41:09.880 --> 00:41:12.719 some things with the Glen Moore Am. That's where I am. 817 00:41:12.760 --> 00:41:15.320 The Senior am has played today and then the regular 818 00:41:15.480 --> 00:41:19.800 am is tomorrow. We're going to be celebrating and putting 819 00:41:19.800 --> 00:41:22.000 a cap on the drive chip and putt. Hey the 820 00:41:22.039 --> 00:41:24.800 three kids from Utah who were in the drive chip 821 00:41:24.800 --> 00:41:27.719 and putt National finals last weekend, all of them, all 822 00:41:27.760 --> 00:41:30.360 three got second place. It was a huge showing for 823 00:41:30.440 --> 00:41:34.000 the Utah kids. We're going to be celebrating that. And 824 00:41:34.480 --> 00:41:36.840 one of the great golf journalists of our time is 825 00:41:36.880 --> 00:41:41.199 Wesley Rouff. His fortieth anniversary was this last week. We're 826 00:41:41.199 --> 00:41:43.719 going to talk with Wesley about forty years and covering 827 00:41:43.719 --> 00:41:45.679 golf in Utah. 828 00:41:45.719 --> 00:41:49.320 How did Johnny Miller's grandson, who's named after Jack. 829 00:41:49.199 --> 00:41:53.079 Nicholas played this poor kid who has been this weight 830 00:41:53.159 --> 00:41:55.119 of the world put on this young man's shoulder. 831 00:41:55.199 --> 00:41:55.880 How did our guy do? 832 00:41:57.239 --> 00:42:01.000 He did remarkably well. He was he was one of 833 00:42:01.039 --> 00:42:04.880 the three who finished second place, and he was he 834 00:42:04.960 --> 00:42:07.559 was a little unhappy about that as we were talking afterwards, 835 00:42:07.559 --> 00:42:10.360 but I said, you know, you didn't lose, you got 836 00:42:10.360 --> 00:42:13.400 beat And those are different the kid who beat him. 837 00:42:13.679 --> 00:42:17.119 You know, they do the petting portion on the eighteenth 838 00:42:17.199 --> 00:42:20.039 green at I guess the National and you get a 839 00:42:20.039 --> 00:42:21.760 thirty foot putt and a fifteen foot putt, and the 840 00:42:21.800 --> 00:42:24.920 kid who beat him jarred both of them. He went 841 00:42:25.000 --> 00:42:27.599 draino on both the thirty footer and the fifteen footer 842 00:42:27.639 --> 00:42:30.639 and went out and stole it from Nicholas Miller. And 843 00:42:31.360 --> 00:42:34.599 so even though Nick was was a little disappointed, he realized, 844 00:42:34.599 --> 00:42:36.760 oh wait, yeah, I just I got beat by a 845 00:42:36.800 --> 00:42:39.440 great performance. So he did really well. 846 00:42:40.199 --> 00:42:43.360 Okay, let's just not nickname him Tiger Lynn Nicholas Miller. 847 00:42:43.480 --> 00:42:45.960 You know we did nick name him Tiger. I just 848 00:42:45.960 --> 00:42:47.320 want to get the kid a hug, Paul, Thank you 849 00:42:47.320 --> 00:42:48.639 for the time, sir. I have a great weekend. 850 00:42:49.800 --> 00:42:50.559 Thank you, Stance. 851 00:42:51.159 --> 00:42:53.800 We've got Chris Camraddi from the Athletic joining US. 852 00:42:53.920 --> 00:42:58.320 Utah football is almost done with their spring portion of 853 00:42:58.480 --> 00:43:01.039 the calendar. We've got it forever. Twenty two game coming 854 00:43:01.119 --> 00:43:03.599 up next Saturday. You tell you dot com is where. 855 00:43:03.400 --> 00:43:07.039 You go for tickets. Richard Smith forty years with Utah Jazz. 856 00:43:07.159 --> 00:43:10.079 He's gonna roll by live on side today and then 857 00:43:10.079 --> 00:43:12.840 we'll get you back out to Augusta for an update 858 00:43:12.880 --> 00:43:13.920 on the Masters. 859 00:43:13.960 --> 00:43:15.280 But the hippist NBA. 860 00:43:15.119 --> 00:43:19.480 Rider around on a Friday afternoon joins us. Howard Beck, 861 00:43:19.480 --> 00:43:20.480 Happy Friday, sir. 862 00:43:20.519 --> 00:43:20.960 How are you. 863 00:43:22.639 --> 00:43:24.480 I'm doing well, spent, how are you? Thank you for 864 00:43:24.519 --> 00:43:25.480 bringing me into Aria. 865 00:43:25.639 --> 00:43:27.159 I appreciate it now, you got it. 866 00:43:27.199 --> 00:43:28.880 I figured that would put you in the right head 867 00:43:28.880 --> 00:43:31.320 space and that's what we need from you today. And Howard, 868 00:43:31.360 --> 00:43:33.280 you know I'm old enough to remember when you were 869 00:43:33.280 --> 00:43:36.719 good at your job, you typically kept it didn't help 870 00:43:36.760 --> 00:43:40.360 Michael Malone since you and I last spoke. Denver gets 871 00:43:40.440 --> 00:43:43.360 rid of the most successful coach that that organization has 872 00:43:43.360 --> 00:43:46.000 ever had. Two years after he wins a championship, and 873 00:43:46.079 --> 00:43:49.119 we're learning more about it as this kind of story unfolds. 874 00:43:49.159 --> 00:43:51.840 But what was your reaction in the moment and where 875 00:43:51.840 --> 00:43:52.920 are you at with it right now? 876 00:43:54.599 --> 00:43:58.119 I mean, I was absolutely stunned in the moment, just 877 00:43:58.239 --> 00:44:03.320 like everybody across the league, Because yes, the whole league 878 00:44:03.400 --> 00:44:07.000 knew there were tensions between Michael Malone and Calvin Booth. 879 00:44:07.559 --> 00:44:11.280 The whole league was on alert that something might happen 880 00:44:12.039 --> 00:44:14.840 in that organization, whether it was Malone going, Booth going, 881 00:44:14.960 --> 00:44:17.760 or as we saw both going. What I think shocked 882 00:44:17.800 --> 00:44:21.159 everybody is that this happened with three games left in 883 00:44:21.199 --> 00:44:24.199 the regular season, and like this is coming just a 884 00:44:24.239 --> 00:44:26.880 week and a half or so after, the Memphis Grizzlies 885 00:44:27.119 --> 00:44:30.840 shocked and saw by firing their very successful coach, Taylor Jenkins, 886 00:44:31.639 --> 00:44:34.079 with just nine games left in the regular season. And 887 00:44:34.119 --> 00:44:37.039 it's at that time the first thing we all said was, well, 888 00:44:37.039 --> 00:44:40.400 this is unheard of. It's you know, coaches get fired 889 00:44:40.480 --> 00:44:43.760 late in the season sometimes, but usually from bad teams, 890 00:44:43.920 --> 00:44:46.760 not playoff bound teams, or in the Nuggets case, a 891 00:44:46.840 --> 00:44:49.480 team still has a plausible shot at making a run 892 00:44:49.519 --> 00:44:52.920 to the finals, and with the best player on hurt 893 00:44:53.000 --> 00:44:57.760 as their franchise face. And so what shocking is not 894 00:44:57.960 --> 00:45:00.280 that they might have decided it was time to and 895 00:45:00.360 --> 00:45:02.480 it's just that they did it at the date that 896 00:45:02.519 --> 00:45:07.800 they did it. And yes, Michael Malone, great coach, obviously 897 00:45:07.840 --> 00:45:10.079 the best coach in the Nuggets history, most successful coach 898 00:45:10.119 --> 00:45:14.119 in Nuggets history by record, by championship, ring their first 899 00:45:15.000 --> 00:45:18.599 and you know, there are circumstances we can get into 900 00:45:18.639 --> 00:45:20.599 the wise of what they did. 901 00:45:26.679 --> 00:45:27.360 How would you there? 902 00:45:28.679 --> 00:45:29.639 I am here, can you hear me? 903 00:45:29.920 --> 00:45:32.000 Oh yeah, no, I got you. You know. 904 00:45:32.679 --> 00:45:35.719 One of the things that I just don't fully undwll 905 00:45:35.719 --> 00:45:37.320 there are a lot of things that don't fully understand 906 00:45:37.320 --> 00:45:41.280 about it. But with the Celtics just sold for six 907 00:45:41.360 --> 00:45:45.000 billion plus with NBA valuations as high as they are, 908 00:45:45.519 --> 00:45:47.559 if you're an owner of an NBA team and you 909 00:45:47.599 --> 00:45:49.920 don't feel like spending money on your team. 910 00:45:49.760 --> 00:45:51.519 There are other owners who will. Now. 911 00:45:52.000 --> 00:45:54.119 Certainly, no matter how rich you are, you don't want 912 00:45:54.119 --> 00:45:55.960 to lose money. I mean, that's certainly one thing I 913 00:45:56.000 --> 00:45:57.280 know about rich people that don't. 914 00:45:57.079 --> 00:45:57.840 Like losing money. 915 00:45:58.280 --> 00:46:01.599 But what's fair to say about the way the Krokeys 916 00:46:01.719 --> 00:46:05.960 are operating this organization and the way that they're supporting 917 00:46:06.159 --> 00:46:09.639 or not supporting the greatest player, in my opinion, in 918 00:46:09.679 --> 00:46:11.280 the world in his prime. 919 00:46:11.280 --> 00:46:12.599 They're not gonna have Yokic forever. 920 00:46:14.519 --> 00:46:17.639 No, they won't. And I will just say, like, if 921 00:46:17.679 --> 00:46:21.199 they thought there was any reason that Jokis would be 922 00:46:21.239 --> 00:46:23.159 unhappy with this move, I don't think they would have 923 00:46:23.199 --> 00:46:25.000 made it right. Like this is not to say that 924 00:46:25.079 --> 00:46:27.320 Jokic had a hand in it at all, But every 925 00:46:27.639 --> 00:46:29.679 NBA team these days is going to operate in a 926 00:46:29.800 --> 00:46:33.280 manner where you think what your any major decisions are 927 00:46:33.320 --> 00:46:37.239 going to be at least met with approval or at 928 00:46:37.320 --> 00:46:43.800 least not disapproval by your franchise star. This has generally 929 00:46:43.800 --> 00:46:47.360 been a cheap organization. I have heard. I cannot confirm this, 930 00:46:47.400 --> 00:46:49.719 but I'll just pass this along as scuttle. But I 931 00:46:49.760 --> 00:46:52.320 have heard that Calvin Booth was by far the lowest 932 00:46:52.320 --> 00:46:56.360 paid GM in the NBA. Michael Malone was being paid 933 00:46:56.400 --> 00:46:59.519 pretty well, especially after the championship, and they're now gonna 934 00:46:59.519 --> 00:47:02.039 have to pay him him, you know, after firing him. 935 00:47:02.119 --> 00:47:04.440 So you know, teams that are super cheap don't want 936 00:47:04.440 --> 00:47:08.840 to pay fire coaches. But yeah, look, they didn't want 937 00:47:08.840 --> 00:47:10.440 to pay the luxury tax or they didn't want to 938 00:47:10.639 --> 00:47:14.880 increase their luxury tax bill by keeping contagious called wop hope, 939 00:47:14.880 --> 00:47:18.119 they let them walk. That's actually turned out okay for them, 940 00:47:18.159 --> 00:47:21.599 Like CACP has not exactly had a phenomenal season in Orlando, 941 00:47:22.239 --> 00:47:26.679 and Christian Brown has actually been pretty good as his replacement. 942 00:47:27.519 --> 00:47:32.840 But no, they haven't made the moves aggressively that I 943 00:47:32.840 --> 00:47:36.320 think you need to continue to build around Jokic. They 944 00:47:36.360 --> 00:47:39.039 have eroded in the couple of years since the Championships. 945 00:47:39.039 --> 00:47:41.679 There's no question there. I don't think all of that 946 00:47:41.760 --> 00:47:44.159 is financial. I think some of that is just they 947 00:47:44.159 --> 00:47:49.400 have not been real creative as a front office, and 948 00:47:49.519 --> 00:47:51.239 somebody else is going to get the chance to try 949 00:47:51.239 --> 00:47:53.559 to steer it a different direction now. 950 00:47:55.239 --> 00:47:59.559 So Josh Cronky gave an interview to one of their 951 00:48:00.079 --> 00:48:04.039 house media propagandist, which is what NBA teams do now. 952 00:48:04.320 --> 00:48:07.199 They all have their own in house media, so you 953 00:48:07.239 --> 00:48:09.280 don't really ever get the real stuff. You just get 954 00:48:09.280 --> 00:48:11.400 what the team wants to, you know, propagate out into 955 00:48:11.440 --> 00:48:14.440 the community. And I guess that's media in twenty twenty five. 956 00:48:14.559 --> 00:48:17.800 But he said he wanted to see his team play 957 00:48:17.880 --> 00:48:22.599 with joy again and the eye roll, I cannot explain 958 00:48:22.679 --> 00:48:23.119 the ie. 959 00:48:23.039 --> 00:48:25.239 Roll that you know that I had. 960 00:48:25.280 --> 00:48:29.039 And look, maybe this is a scenario where I'm just 961 00:48:29.119 --> 00:48:32.280 too old and the approach of somebody like Michael. 962 00:48:32.039 --> 00:48:33.440 Malone might be outdated. 963 00:48:33.960 --> 00:48:37.239 Because look, Michael Malone his father, Brennan, of course, assistant 964 00:48:37.239 --> 00:48:39.239 coach in New York, and Michael was in New York 965 00:48:39.280 --> 00:48:40.480 as well, and so we got to know him a 966 00:48:40.480 --> 00:48:43.519 little bit. And he's not a warm and fuzzy guy. 967 00:48:43.679 --> 00:48:47.119 But most coaches, at least in my experience, are not. 968 00:48:48.400 --> 00:48:50.199 Or is it a new day? Does that approach no 969 00:48:50.280 --> 00:48:53.280 longer work? Howard in today's day and age of pro basketball? 970 00:48:54.840 --> 00:48:57.800 I mean, I will say you knew Michael Malone when 971 00:48:57.840 --> 00:49:00.840 you were in New York. I met Michael Malone when 972 00:49:00.920 --> 00:49:02.519 I first got to New York in two thousand and four, 973 00:49:02.559 --> 00:49:05.480 and he was an assistant coach for the Knicks. And 974 00:49:06.400 --> 00:49:09.079 on a personal level, he's a perfectly warm and fuzzy guy. 975 00:49:09.119 --> 00:49:11.800 Maybe not the warmest and fuzziest, but he's very personable. 976 00:49:11.800 --> 00:49:14.480 He's a great guy. I like him a lot, but 977 00:49:14.960 --> 00:49:18.239 he is old school. He is a hard ass. He 978 00:49:18.400 --> 00:49:20.199 is a hard driver, and he is a guy who's 979 00:49:20.199 --> 00:49:23.119 going to call out his players behind closed doors and 980 00:49:23.199 --> 00:49:27.159 sometimes in press conferences, as we've seen multiple times over 981 00:49:27.159 --> 00:49:30.079 the last year, and including within the last week, where 982 00:49:30.119 --> 00:49:32.079 it was clear he had kind of lost patience with 983 00:49:32.159 --> 00:49:35.880 them and he was not shy about it. And I 984 00:49:36.039 --> 00:49:39.119 don't you know. I'll just tell you I've had plenty 985 00:49:39.119 --> 00:49:42.960 of conversations this week with people around the league, including 986 00:49:43.400 --> 00:49:46.679 some folks who have direct ties with players in that 987 00:49:46.760 --> 00:49:50.000 locker room, who made it pretty clear to me they 988 00:49:50.000 --> 00:49:53.000 were worn out. They were just worn out, and look, 989 00:49:53.199 --> 00:49:56.000 it happens. And you know, you could say that, well, 990 00:49:56.039 --> 00:49:59.280 this is just not the era of the NBA for 991 00:49:59.320 --> 00:50:01.800 an old school which, like Michael Malone, we re see 992 00:50:02.119 --> 00:50:06.199 fewer and fewer coaches with his kind of approach, that style, 993 00:50:06.440 --> 00:50:09.559 that tone, and there's a reason for it, but it 994 00:50:09.599 --> 00:50:12.480 could work for a while. He was there for ten 995 00:50:12.599 --> 00:50:17.280 years that the current group might have worn out of 996 00:50:17.320 --> 00:50:20.519 that and was ready for a new voice. I don't 997 00:50:20.519 --> 00:50:23.000 think it's too shocking, but I will say that it 998 00:50:23.119 --> 00:50:26.840 is absolutely the case that, you know, whether you want 999 00:50:26.840 --> 00:50:28.760 to say lost the locker room, or whether you want 1000 00:50:28.760 --> 00:50:31.119 to say players were tuning him out or he wasn't 1001 00:50:31.119 --> 00:50:34.719 connecting anymore, whichever phrasing you want to use, it was 1002 00:50:34.760 --> 00:50:36.880 the case. It wasn't just that Michael Malone and the 1003 00:50:36.880 --> 00:50:40.760 front officer hired the GM. You could have just gotten 1004 00:50:40.800 --> 00:50:44.400 rid of Calvin Booth and resolved that tension, especially at 1005 00:50:44.440 --> 00:50:46.440 this time of year where you're past the trade deadline, 1006 00:50:46.480 --> 00:50:49.280 you're past the date to make any kind of moves 1007 00:50:49.280 --> 00:50:52.159 for a while. You could have done that. So if 1008 00:50:52.199 --> 00:50:54.559 the only issue were coach versus GM, you could have 1009 00:50:54.880 --> 00:50:58.840 thrown overboard the GM. It's because there was problems in 1010 00:50:58.920 --> 00:51:01.079 multiple directions that they also had to get rid of 1011 00:51:01.719 --> 00:51:02.199 Malone at. 1012 00:51:02.119 --> 00:51:04.639 The stage last thing here. 1013 00:51:04.880 --> 00:51:08.119 You know, throughout the course of the season, once Oklahoma City, 1014 00:51:08.800 --> 00:51:11.960 you know, established themselves as the dominant team in the 1015 00:51:11.960 --> 00:51:14.679 West and quite frankly historic in a lot of ways 1016 00:51:14.719 --> 00:51:18.119 with the net, the differential and their win rate. The 1017 00:51:18.159 --> 00:51:20.639 conversation on the show with you and others has been 1018 00:51:20.679 --> 00:51:22.360 who keeps Mark Dagnalled. 1019 00:51:22.000 --> 00:51:22.519 Up at night? 1020 00:51:23.079 --> 00:51:26.239 And the answer, oftentimes with you and others has been 1021 00:51:26.280 --> 00:51:32.000 the Denver Nuggets has the coaching chaos and switch with 1022 00:51:32.199 --> 00:51:35.800 coach Adelman now just getting the opportunity to do this 1023 00:51:35.880 --> 00:51:38.320 with only a handful of games left to have you 1024 00:51:38.440 --> 00:51:40.599 changed your calculus and what you think Denver can do 1025 00:51:40.639 --> 00:51:41.719 this year in the postseason. 1026 00:51:43.559 --> 00:51:46.639 I'm kind of two minds on this spence. One is 1027 00:51:46.679 --> 00:51:51.280 that I think the very you know, removal of a 1028 00:51:51.320 --> 00:51:53.519 coach at this late stage of a season, if you're 1029 00:51:53.559 --> 00:51:56.960 a championship have you a championship aspirations? I feel like 1030 00:51:57.000 --> 00:52:01.199 it's really destabilizing just by definition. It feels destabilized to 1031 00:52:01.239 --> 00:52:06.360 me to change the leadership at this moment with days 1032 00:52:06.360 --> 00:52:10.199 to go in the regular season. But obviously the Nuggets 1033 00:52:10.199 --> 00:52:13.079 don't feel that way. Obviously they feel like David Adelman 1034 00:52:13.159 --> 00:52:15.719 as a new voice who's been around for a while, 1035 00:52:15.719 --> 00:52:17.199 like he's been with the Nuggets for you know whatever, 1036 00:52:17.239 --> 00:52:20.239 seven eight years, Like He's a known quantity there. It's 1037 00:52:20.239 --> 00:52:23.440 different being the head coach versus an assistant. True, but 1038 00:52:24.440 --> 00:52:28.320 I think their feeling is and I'm just deducing this 1039 00:52:29.360 --> 00:52:31.719 that if you, you know, if they still think they 1040 00:52:31.760 --> 00:52:33.760 have a chance to make a run to the finals 1041 00:52:33.920 --> 00:52:37.119 and have a shot against the Thunder, it'll be with 1042 00:52:37.719 --> 00:52:41.199 a different voice. So they would probably argue, no, we've 1043 00:52:41.199 --> 00:52:45.760 increased our chances of being the team to knock out Oklahoma. 1044 00:52:45.840 --> 00:52:48.800 All that said, I think there's more than a couple 1045 00:52:48.840 --> 00:52:51.360 of teams these days that are probably keeping dagnallt up 1046 00:52:51.400 --> 00:52:53.960 at night. Like, I don't know, if I'm a head coach, 1047 00:52:54.199 --> 00:52:56.599 I don't care how talented my my Thunder team is. 1048 00:52:57.000 --> 00:53:00.320 I don't want to see Lebron and Luca together point 1049 00:53:00.440 --> 00:53:02.239 in the in the postseason. I don't think I want 1050 00:53:02.239 --> 00:53:04.519 to see Stephan Jimmy Butler either, And for that matter, 1051 00:53:04.960 --> 00:53:06.800 as long as the guy stays healthy, I don't want 1052 00:53:06.800 --> 00:53:09.679 to see Kawhi Leonard. So you know, it's a really 1053 00:53:09.679 --> 00:53:15.239 interesting Western Conference race because the Thunder are the clear favorites. 1054 00:53:15.280 --> 00:53:18.000 They've earned that, but there are like six or seven 1055 00:53:18.079 --> 00:53:21.199 teams that have a legit shot to make the conference finals, 1056 00:53:21.880 --> 00:53:25.360 and I think any one of them, you know, has 1057 00:53:25.360 --> 00:53:26.199 a puncher's chance. 1058 00:53:27.800 --> 00:53:31.519 You know, when you're around this stuff and you've worked 1059 00:53:31.559 --> 00:53:33.679 and covered it as long as you have, and you know, 1060 00:53:33.719 --> 00:53:36.360 I'm I hate to say this, I'm not as old 1061 00:53:36.400 --> 00:53:36.800 as you are. 1062 00:53:36.679 --> 00:53:38.360 But I'm getting there, Howard. I'm ra behind you. 1063 00:53:39.039 --> 00:53:40.760 I've been doing this for quite some time to have 1064 00:53:40.840 --> 00:53:43.440 enough skin in the game to really try to fight 1065 00:53:43.559 --> 00:53:47.360 the innate skepticism and cynical nature that tends to seepin. 1066 00:53:48.079 --> 00:53:51.679 But I will admit to being enthralled with the scene 1067 00:53:51.719 --> 00:53:55.480 of Luka Doncic going back to Dallas and the pregame 1068 00:53:55.559 --> 00:53:59.119 introduction where he is in tears, and I could not 1069 00:53:59.320 --> 00:54:03.760 help but of Mavericks fans, because you know, we actually 1070 00:54:03.840 --> 00:54:07.039 have a weird parallel here, Howard, to what happened in Dallas. 1071 00:54:07.079 --> 00:54:09.079 It's different on a lot of levels. But bear with 1072 00:54:09.119 --> 00:54:12.440 me for a moment, because when Dallas traded Luca, you 1073 00:54:12.559 --> 00:54:14.119 heard a lot of people say, how do you trade 1074 00:54:14.119 --> 00:54:19.480 a twenty five year old generational superstar, global superstar. 1075 00:54:19.079 --> 00:54:20.639 In his prime? How do you do that? 1076 00:54:21.119 --> 00:54:23.960 Donovan Mitchell's not Luka Doncic, but the Jazz traded away 1077 00:54:24.000 --> 00:54:25.960 Donovan Mitchell. The age of twenty five as he was 1078 00:54:26.000 --> 00:54:30.039 just entering his prime. Much different scenarios. But to see 1079 00:54:30.159 --> 00:54:33.840 Luca in tears, if I'm a Mavericks fan, it makes 1080 00:54:33.880 --> 00:54:36.480 me even more upset at Nico Harrison because that dude 1081 00:54:36.599 --> 00:54:38.719 wanted to stay and would have stayed forever. 1082 00:54:39.159 --> 00:54:40.880 Donovan probably was not going to stay. 1083 00:54:40.880 --> 00:54:43.960 When Donovan came back the first time he had the 1084 00:54:44.000 --> 00:54:46.559 opportunity with the Cavs, there were no tears. You could 1085 00:54:46.599 --> 00:54:48.880 tell that Donovan wanted to get out. So it's they're 1086 00:54:48.880 --> 00:54:53.000 two very different things. But for jazz fans in Salt Lake, 1087 00:54:53.119 --> 00:54:56.360 like if Luca was theirs and he comes back and 1088 00:54:56.440 --> 00:55:01.039 he's crying, it adds even more insult because you know 1089 00:55:01.159 --> 00:55:04.079 that that guy wanted to be here and you him 1090 00:55:04.239 --> 00:55:07.400 jettison in him off, so you have the tears pregame 1091 00:55:07.519 --> 00:55:10.679 and then he just goes out and dominates, And I 1092 00:55:10.719 --> 00:55:12.840 thought it was really cool. I will admit to sitting 1093 00:55:12.920 --> 00:55:14.679 there glued to the television and being like, good for 1094 00:55:14.800 --> 00:55:17.760 Luke amn and gutted for mas fans. How did you 1095 00:55:17.960 --> 00:55:20.960 digest that? That those scenes in Dallas, Howard. 1096 00:55:22.519 --> 00:55:25.559 Spence, It's like nothing we've ever seen before, Like there's 1097 00:55:25.599 --> 00:55:29.320 no precedent for this like, there are plenty of players 1098 00:55:29.400 --> 00:55:32.280 who left the team via trade or free agency and 1099 00:55:32.320 --> 00:55:35.880 came back and it would be emotional, maybe it's negative emotions, 1100 00:55:35.880 --> 00:55:40.000 maybe positive, but it usually was the player's choice to go. 1101 00:55:41.000 --> 00:55:44.239 And we've just never seen a superstar of Lucas caliber 1102 00:55:44.880 --> 00:55:49.480 traded against his will and to his shock in his prime, 1103 00:55:50.920 --> 00:55:54.480 not to mention to a team that, you know, like 1104 00:55:54.519 --> 00:55:57.199 the Lakers are everybody's rival, right, Like everybody hates them. 1105 00:55:57.440 --> 00:55:59.320 If you're not a Laker fan, you probably hate them. 1106 00:55:59.639 --> 00:56:04.800 And so it's so complex and so unprecedented that the 1107 00:56:04.840 --> 00:56:07.679 scene the other night was gonna be surreal regardless. So 1108 00:56:07.719 --> 00:56:12.159 now you have whatever, twenty thousand Mavericks fans in Luca 1109 00:56:12.280 --> 00:56:16.840 T shirts and in Laker jerseys and whatever, and they're 1110 00:56:16.920 --> 00:56:21.280 cheering everything Luca does. This is not Lebron James going 1111 00:56:21.320 --> 00:56:24.199 back to Cleveland as the enemy and being like absolutely 1112 00:56:24.239 --> 00:56:28.519 booed and serenaded with all sorts of awful things. Lucas 1113 00:56:28.559 --> 00:56:31.239 being cheered at every turn, every time he touches the ball, 1114 00:56:31.280 --> 00:56:33.320 every time he hits a shot. It says if Mavericks 1115 00:56:33.360 --> 00:56:36.159 fans were Laker fans that night, like, how awkward did 1116 00:56:36.159 --> 00:56:39.800 that have to be? If you were you know, Daniel 1117 00:56:39.800 --> 00:56:43.559 Gafford and Spencer Dinwiddie and Anthony Davis for that matter. 1118 00:56:44.320 --> 00:56:47.280 Where the entire crowd it sounds like it's a Laker 1119 00:56:47.320 --> 00:56:50.000 home game, but it's in Dallas. Like that's brutal. And 1120 00:56:50.039 --> 00:56:53.480 then when they're not cheering for Luca, they're chanting fire 1121 00:56:53.599 --> 00:56:58.639 Nico and like it's it just there's never been anything 1122 00:56:58.719 --> 00:57:01.559 like this fence. There just has And yes, you can 1123 00:57:01.639 --> 00:57:04.280 be happy for Luca. You can feel gutted for Mavericks 1124 00:57:04.280 --> 00:57:08.320 fans because they are gutted by this. It's just it's 1125 00:57:08.480 --> 00:57:15.239 just a really it's fascinating, but it's it's just it 1126 00:57:15.280 --> 00:57:18.199 was surreal, as I say, And they're not getting over 1127 00:57:18.199 --> 00:57:20.239 this anytime soon, right, Like, Luca's gonna be with the 1128 00:57:20.320 --> 00:57:22.280 Lakers for a long time to come. They're in the 1129 00:57:22.280 --> 00:57:24.559 same conference, so they're gonna be in Dallas twice a 1130 00:57:24.639 --> 00:57:28.360 year and they're gonna have to relive this pain in 1131 00:57:28.480 --> 00:57:31.719 Dallas every single time. And I don't think Nico Harrison 1132 00:57:31.719 --> 00:57:33.679 and Patrick Dumont are ever going to live this down. 1133 00:57:34.800 --> 00:57:38.280 What in the hell do the Phoenix Suns do? You know? 1134 00:57:38.480 --> 00:57:40.719 Matt Ishbia there there. 1135 00:57:40.639 --> 00:57:43.880 Was a clip of his comments at the end of 1136 00:57:44.000 --> 00:57:46.800 last season talking about how bullish he was with the 1137 00:57:46.840 --> 00:57:49.440 talent they have on paper coming into this year. And look, 1138 00:57:50.039 --> 00:57:52.360 I'm not running him down if I had Kevin Durant 1139 00:57:52.360 --> 00:57:55.800 and Devin Booker and Brad Buhle. I mean, we've seen 1140 00:57:55.840 --> 00:57:58.920 all three of those be generationally special at times. They've 1141 00:57:58.960 --> 00:58:02.880 never been generation special together. But what do they do? 1142 00:58:03.039 --> 00:58:04.320 How do they get out of this hole? 1143 00:58:04.360 --> 00:58:05.519 What's next? In Phoenix? 1144 00:58:05.639 --> 00:58:07.760 They have the highest payroll in the league and they're 1145 00:58:07.800 --> 00:58:08.840 missing the playoffs. 1146 00:58:11.400 --> 00:58:14.480 That ownership group and and and just the leadership there 1147 00:58:14.519 --> 00:58:18.519 has been just you know, delusional at every turn. Like 1148 00:58:18.599 --> 00:58:20.639 I think the quote Primissiondia at this time last year 1149 00:58:20.679 --> 00:58:22.679 was something to the effect of, like, oh yeah, twenty 1150 00:58:22.719 --> 00:58:24.679 eight other gms would love to have what we have, 1151 00:58:24.760 --> 00:58:29.239 and like, no, I think you're missing a few details 1152 00:58:29.239 --> 00:58:31.800 here where you've got a Bradley Beal contract that is 1153 00:58:32.119 --> 00:58:34.960 the worst in the league and unmovable in part because 1154 00:58:35.000 --> 00:58:36.639 of the size of it and in part because he's 1155 00:58:36.639 --> 00:58:39.360 a no trade clause, and you know here it is 1156 00:58:39.719 --> 00:58:44.159 most expensive payroll in the league. They couldn't even make 1157 00:58:44.199 --> 00:58:48.480 the play in so everybody believes they're going to trade 1158 00:58:48.519 --> 00:58:50.880 Kevin Durant. That's the obvious part. But here's what I 1159 00:58:50.920 --> 00:58:55.039 would say, because you still can't trade deal, you're stuck 1160 00:58:55.079 --> 00:58:59.760 with him. Does trading Kevin Durant get you anywhere? Because 1161 00:58:59.800 --> 00:59:01.840 which you're going to get back for Kevin Durant is 1162 00:59:01.880 --> 00:59:04.000 not going to be as good as Kevin Durant. It'll 1163 00:59:04.039 --> 00:59:07.360 be some combination of players and picks or whatever, but 1164 00:59:07.400 --> 00:59:10.400 it's not going to move the ball forward. Devin Booker 1165 00:59:10.480 --> 00:59:14.519 plus that whatever you got for Durant plus Beale plus 1166 00:59:14.679 --> 00:59:17.840 you know, Grays and Allen or whatever, is not getting 1167 00:59:17.840 --> 00:59:21.519 you anywhere. You're you're worse off. So the only answer 1168 00:59:21.559 --> 00:59:23.800 to me, the only logical conclusion, is you have to 1169 00:59:23.840 --> 00:59:26.840 trade Devin Booker. Also, you're done like this, this thing 1170 00:59:26.920 --> 00:59:30.320 is is just cooked. And you know, by the time 1171 00:59:30.360 --> 00:59:33.000 you turn this thing around, if you can, Devin Booker 1172 00:59:33.039 --> 00:59:35.639 is going to be thirty five years old. They don't 1173 00:59:35.639 --> 00:59:37.880 have they don't have draft capital because they've traded it 1174 00:59:37.920 --> 00:59:41.639 all away. The only way to replenish your draft capital 1175 00:59:41.800 --> 00:59:44.920 and to make yourself viable again is to trade both 1176 00:59:44.960 --> 00:59:45.239 of them. 1177 00:59:47.280 --> 00:59:47.559 Geez. 1178 00:59:47.719 --> 00:59:49.800 And you know what, I can't argue, I can't debate. 1179 00:59:49.880 --> 00:59:51.760 I think that's the only play. I just wonder if 1180 00:59:51.760 --> 00:59:54.800 a guy like matt Ishbie is willing to eat his 1181 00:59:54.880 --> 00:59:57.519 crow a little bit, because we kind of have a 1182 00:59:57.599 --> 01:00:01.599 similar type of ownership situation here with the change from 1183 01:00:02.079 --> 01:00:05.199 the Millers to Ryan Smith. And you know, Ryan is 1184 01:00:05.199 --> 01:00:08.280 a hyper competitive guy, and I can tell you that 1185 01:00:08.400 --> 01:00:10.599 the way the stuff is gone with the Jazz is 1186 01:00:10.639 --> 01:00:13.480 not so well with him. He's tried to push for 1187 01:00:13.480 --> 01:00:17.320 a Drew Holliday deal here, or Kristapsporzingis deal there, or 1188 01:00:17.400 --> 01:00:19.440 Michael Bridges or whatever it is. He's tried to go 1189 01:00:19.559 --> 01:00:22.840 all in on big name players, but it hasn't worked. 1190 01:00:22.840 --> 01:00:25.039 And so I know he's sad eat a little crow 1191 01:00:25.079 --> 01:00:27.400 as well. Do you think matt Ishbia has that in 1192 01:00:27.480 --> 01:00:30.079 him to understand like this really is the only direction 1193 01:00:30.119 --> 01:00:31.519 if we ever want to get back to where we 1194 01:00:31.559 --> 01:00:31.960 want to be. 1195 01:00:33.719 --> 01:00:36.159 We're about to learn a lot about matt Ishbia and 1196 01:00:36.960 --> 01:00:39.840 whether he can learn from his mistakes, whether he can 1197 01:00:39.880 --> 01:00:42.280 even acknowledge that a mistake was made right. Like the 1198 01:00:42.320 --> 01:00:46.159 first thing we learned about him as an owner was 1199 01:00:46.360 --> 01:00:50.559 he's going to be really aggressive. He's really confident in 1200 01:00:52.159 --> 01:00:54.920 what he does because he took ownership of the team 1201 01:00:55.360 --> 01:01:00.679 and immediately made that trade for Kevin to which cost 1202 01:01:00.719 --> 01:01:03.440 a ton of draft capital plus mckail Bridges and Cam Johnson. 1203 01:01:04.360 --> 01:01:07.480 So you could admire that on some level. Okay, he's bold, 1204 01:01:07.480 --> 01:01:10.960 he's ambitious, he's aggressive, he's not afraid to spend. Like 1205 01:01:11.039 --> 01:01:14.400 those can be positive things unless you do it unwisely. 1206 01:01:14.519 --> 01:01:17.880 And the Beetle trade was the unwise version of that. 1207 01:01:18.800 --> 01:01:22.639 And so the next thing we'll learn is, has Mattasbia 1208 01:01:23.880 --> 01:01:28.119 realize the error. Is he reflective enough and self aware 1209 01:01:28.199 --> 01:01:32.599 enough to realize it's time to pivot? And you know, 1210 01:01:32.679 --> 01:01:34.840 are the people around him giving him the right information? 1211 01:01:35.039 --> 01:01:37.119 Because you know, like all these guys they come in, 1212 01:01:38.199 --> 01:01:41.559 they're great in their other you know, their other careers 1213 01:01:41.840 --> 01:01:45.159 in real estate and finance and whatever. They think they 1214 01:01:45.159 --> 01:01:47.400 know basketball or the NBA, but they don't and they 1215 01:01:47.400 --> 01:01:49.559 have to learn some hard lessons. So has he learned 1216 01:01:49.599 --> 01:01:51.400 his lesson? We'll find out soon. 1217 01:01:52.320 --> 01:01:54.559 All right, Howard, final thing I'll set you loose on this. 1218 01:01:55.199 --> 01:01:57.199 We'll kind of go back to what we were talking 1219 01:01:57.199 --> 01:01:59.920 about with the West and you referenced, you know, when 1220 01:02:00.159 --> 01:02:03.800 Kawhi is healthy, we're all just reminded of like, oh, yeah. 1221 01:02:03.559 --> 01:02:04.599 That's who he is. 1222 01:02:04.719 --> 01:02:08.159 When he's right, and he still is that when he's healthy. Uh, 1223 01:02:08.280 --> 01:02:12.760 Luca Lebron to cerebral, high level computer basketball skilled players. 1224 01:02:12.800 --> 01:02:16.239 Watching them figure out has been fascinating Denver as Jokic 1225 01:02:16.360 --> 01:02:19.760 Golden State has been different with Butler, Minnesota. 1226 01:02:19.239 --> 01:02:20.840 Probably deserves some Flowers as well. 1227 01:02:20.840 --> 01:02:23.480 If I hold you to one answer, the team that 1228 01:02:23.639 --> 01:02:26.360 is keeping Mark Dagnold up at night most is who 1229 01:02:26.480 --> 01:02:27.199 and why. 1230 01:02:28.519 --> 01:02:34.280 Who? Boy? As I mentioned earlier, you can make a 1231 01:02:34.360 --> 01:02:36.480 case for all of them. I guess if I'm gonna 1232 01:02:36.519 --> 01:02:39.840 default to one, and I'm gonna I'm surprising myself as 1233 01:02:39.840 --> 01:02:43.360 I say this. I think it's the Lakers only because 1234 01:02:44.119 --> 01:02:48.159 you know, lucas a top five player, top three player, 1235 01:02:48.199 --> 01:02:51.880 potentially within the finals last season. I'd like the Lakers 1236 01:02:51.880 --> 01:02:54.840 are flawed as a roster, right, like they don't have uh, 1237 01:02:54.880 --> 01:02:58.239 they don't really have you really have a center. They're 1238 01:02:58.800 --> 01:03:01.840 you know, you would you would not make the roster 1239 01:03:01.920 --> 01:03:03.679 this way by choice, And I thought when they made 1240 01:03:03.679 --> 01:03:05.719 the trade for Luca, it's the obvious thing to do, 1241 01:03:05.760 --> 01:03:07.800 but it was for the long term, not to contend 1242 01:03:07.840 --> 01:03:10.400 this season. So there are flaws in the roster. But 1243 01:03:12.280 --> 01:03:14.880 Luca and Lebron together I'll tell you what a coach 1244 01:03:14.920 --> 01:03:16.840 told me a few weeks back when I was saying, 1245 01:03:17.320 --> 01:03:19.519 how are they able to play defense at this level 1246 01:03:19.559 --> 01:03:22.880 when luc and Lebron are generally net negatives there They 1247 01:03:22.880 --> 01:03:25.519 don't have Anthony Davis or another center to man the 1248 01:03:25.559 --> 01:03:27.719 back line, Like, how are they doing this? And the 1249 01:03:27.760 --> 01:03:31.480 coach told me, don't overthink this. They have two of 1250 01:03:31.519 --> 01:03:34.079 the top five players in the NBA. And I said, 1251 01:03:34.639 --> 01:03:37.679 Lebron is top five right now, and the coach said, yeah, 1252 01:03:37.719 --> 01:03:41.960 absolutely he is. So you know, Lebron's got all those 1253 01:03:42.000 --> 01:03:45.360 championship rings, all those playoff wins, all that experience, Luca 1254 01:03:45.400 --> 01:03:48.599 is amazing. Just that one two punch almost no matter 1255 01:03:48.639 --> 01:03:51.159 what else you had around them, would be scary. So 1256 01:03:51.239 --> 01:03:52.880 all default to the Lakers on that answer. 1257 01:03:53.320 --> 01:03:55.679 Howard, thank you, my friend. Have an excellent weekend and 1258 01:03:55.679 --> 01:03:56.480 we will chat soon. 1259 01:03:57.519 --> 01:03:59.400 Thanks betch you too, talk to you next week. 1260 01:03:59.320 --> 01:04:00.239 All right. 1261 01:04:00.280 --> 01:04:02.800 Howard Beck from The Ringer one of my favorite riders 1262 01:04:02.840 --> 01:04:04.480 for a long long time. 1263 01:04:04.559 --> 01:04:06.840 I always appreciate Howard's time. You can get him. 1264 01:04:07.239 --> 01:04:10.960 I think he does most of his posting on Blue 1265 01:04:11.000 --> 01:04:15.000 Sky now, so you can get him over there. The 1266 01:04:15.159 --> 01:04:17.000 link to his Blue Sky is on his Twitter. If 1267 01:04:17.000 --> 01:04:18.679 you want to get weird, it's just at Howard beck 1268 01:04:18.760 --> 01:04:21.559 Is where you find him. So I appreciate Howard's time. 1269 01:04:21.639 --> 01:04:23.840 All right, we are out at about today. You can 1270 01:04:23.840 --> 01:04:27.320 probably tell with the wind and of course the truck 1271 01:04:27.360 --> 01:04:29.840 in the background. But it's a good opportunity for you 1272 01:04:29.920 --> 01:04:31.800 to grab some high quality. 1273 01:04:31.480 --> 01:04:34.760 Stakes for extremely cheap Homestead steaks. 1274 01:04:34.800 --> 01:04:38.679 They're offering twenty ribbis for forty dollars, that's right, and 1275 01:04:38.719 --> 01:04:40.960 these are good quality stakes. I mean, you know, I 1276 01:04:41.079 --> 01:04:43.000 walked over and checked him out before he hopped on 1277 01:04:43.039 --> 01:04:46.320 air today. So twenty ribbys for forty dollars. It's their 1278 01:04:46.360 --> 01:04:50.639 weekend meat sale. And where we're at today is by 1279 01:04:50.719 --> 01:04:54.519 Fashion Place Mall. So put this address in your GPS, 1280 01:04:54.599 --> 01:04:56.920 follow it and trust it because for a minute you 1281 01:04:56.960 --> 01:04:59.039 probably will not believe you're going in the right direction. 1282 01:04:59.159 --> 01:05:01.239 We are literally in the middle of a parking lot. 1283 01:05:01.800 --> 01:05:05.159 It's one oh four five zero South State Street, number 1284 01:05:05.239 --> 01:05:08.639 two three two zero, one oh four five zero South 1285 01:05:08.679 --> 01:05:12.440 State Street number two three two zero. Forty ribbis for 1286 01:05:12.440 --> 01:05:16.599 forty dollars half priced Bulk deals on steak, chicken, pork, chops, 1287 01:05:16.599 --> 01:05:18.960 and seafood. It's the Bulk Family party pack to fill 1288 01:05:19.000 --> 01:05:22.639 your freezer with New York strips, filets, mega ribbis, gourmet 1289 01:05:22.679 --> 01:05:25.000 smash burgers plus chicken and seafood. 1290 01:05:25.039 --> 01:05:28.920 All payments are accepted cash, credit, debit, and EBT. 1291 01:05:29.639 --> 01:05:32.000 So come on buy and check out our good friends 1292 01:05:32.039 --> 01:05:35.400 out here at Homestead Steaks Add one oh four five zero, 1293 01:05:35.480 --> 01:05:39.960 South State Street number two three two zero, one oh 1294 01:05:40.039 --> 01:05:44.360 four five zero, South Stage Street number two three two zero. 1295 01:05:44.519 --> 01:05:45.360 We're out here with our. 1296 01:05:45.280 --> 01:05:49.960 Friends at Homestead Steaks twenty ribbis for forty dollars. 1297 01:05:50.000 --> 01:05:52.199 It's their weekend meal deal. 1298 01:05:52.679 --> 01:05:57.199 Locations at Fashion Fashion Place Mall shops at Southtown in 1299 01:05:57.320 --> 01:06:01.159 Sandy Provo Town Center Mall as well. We're just forty 1300 01:06:01.199 --> 01:06:04.400 dollars and they've got a bunch of deals on bulk 1301 01:06:04.519 --> 01:06:06.760 for steak, chicken, pork chops and seafood. 1302 01:06:07.280 --> 01:06:09.159 And when I found out we were gonna be out here. 1303 01:06:09.079 --> 01:06:11.599 At Homestead Steaks, I said to Porter book me a 1304 01:06:11.679 --> 01:06:15.000 guest that loves meat more than any other guests that 1305 01:06:15.039 --> 01:06:20.159 we could possibly find, and preveyor of steaks, connoisseur of meats, 1306 01:06:20.239 --> 01:06:24.000 Christopher Cameronnie on a Friday afternoon c K, Happy Friday, sir, 1307 01:06:24.039 --> 01:06:25.679 how are you man? 1308 01:06:25.760 --> 01:06:29.119 You went all waited Sandy and didn't invite me. 1309 01:06:30.440 --> 01:06:33.639 Don't don't you dare, Christopher. 1310 01:06:34.199 --> 01:06:37.360 You know that you're welcome to roll wherever I'm at 1311 01:06:37.559 --> 01:06:38.440 at all times. 1312 01:06:38.480 --> 01:06:40.519 There's no way you were making this drive. It's hard 1313 01:06:40.599 --> 01:06:41.679 enough to get you downtown. 1314 01:06:42.719 --> 01:06:45.559 Yeah, when Porter told me that you were going to 1315 01:06:45.599 --> 01:06:49.159 be on remote and then, you know, I don't know, man, 1316 01:06:49.239 --> 01:06:52.039 I think I think this, Now that the summertime is here, 1317 01:06:52.159 --> 01:06:54.679 we can maybe make a couple of special things happen. 1318 01:06:54.760 --> 01:06:57.920 You know that at the ninth to ninth Smith I'm 1319 01:06:57.960 --> 01:07:00.320 always down, you know. You know, I've made a couple 1320 01:07:00.360 --> 01:07:03.480 appearances there, but it's a little harder to get me 1321 01:07:03.559 --> 01:07:06.880 to go to one hundred and fourth hundred and fifths 1322 01:07:06.880 --> 01:07:07.880 south on State Street. 1323 01:07:08.320 --> 01:07:09.920 But maybe one of these days, I don't know, man, 1324 01:07:10.280 --> 01:07:11.159 maybe one of these days. 1325 01:07:11.199 --> 01:07:13.760 All surprising Well, I just felt like the offer of 1326 01:07:13.840 --> 01:07:16.480 twenty ribbis for forty dollars was going to be enough 1327 01:07:16.519 --> 01:07:18.360 for a neat lover like you to roll out. 1328 01:07:20.199 --> 01:07:23.239 I just think of that scene from the Great Outdoors 1329 01:07:23.239 --> 01:07:25.519 when John Candy has to eat the old ninety six 1330 01:07:25.719 --> 01:07:29.039 er and Dan Akro tells the guy he's done, and 1331 01:07:29.079 --> 01:07:32.519 the chef says he's not done yet, and Dan Akers says, 1332 01:07:32.519 --> 01:07:35.639 there's nothing left on that plate but gristle and fat. 1333 01:07:35.960 --> 01:07:36.519 Poor John. 1334 01:07:36.559 --> 01:07:38.360 But he did it, man, He got all the kids 1335 01:07:38.400 --> 01:07:40.760 the hats, and he got to eat the old ninety 1336 01:07:40.760 --> 01:07:41.119 six er. 1337 01:07:41.559 --> 01:07:43.880 I was picking my moment, you were picking your nose. 1338 01:07:43.960 --> 01:07:45.360 That is an underrated movie. 1339 01:07:45.679 --> 01:07:49.679 That is an underrated classic John Candy movie. You know, 1340 01:07:49.920 --> 01:07:53.800 since every week we've gone from Philip Seymour Hoffman to 1341 01:07:53.880 --> 01:07:57.599 Ben Stiller and then Val Kilmer. Rest In Piece, John Candy, 1342 01:07:57.639 --> 01:07:59.960 Resting Peace. Best John Candy movie is a great out 1343 01:08:00.079 --> 01:08:04.800 doors planes trains and automobiles. 1344 01:08:04.519 --> 01:08:08.559 Probably planes trains, but his character in Planes Trains gives 1345 01:08:08.599 --> 01:08:11.800 me so much anxiety. I think my favorite John Candy 1346 01:08:12.000 --> 01:08:16.319 character of all time is Uncle Buck. Okay, when he 1347 01:08:16.439 --> 01:08:21.800 when he makes the giant pancakes for Macaulay Culkin's birthday. 1348 01:08:22.000 --> 01:08:24.479 When I saw that as a kid, I was like, dude, 1349 01:08:24.560 --> 01:08:28.159 why isn't my uncle like Uncle Buck? Like I wanted 1350 01:08:28.199 --> 01:08:31.840 to go to the bowling alley and you know, hang 1351 01:08:31.880 --> 01:08:34.199 out with guys who smoked cigarettes and drank a really 1352 01:08:34.279 --> 01:08:35.039 cheap beer. 1353 01:08:34.840 --> 01:08:37.600 And bowl like and wear the cool bowling shirts. 1354 01:08:37.680 --> 01:08:42.399 Uncle Buck, by far, to me, is John Candy's best character. 1355 01:08:42.560 --> 01:08:44.239 But best movie is Plane Trains. 1356 01:08:44.319 --> 01:08:48.319 We all show should throw out Spaceballs. While we're talking 1357 01:08:48.439 --> 01:08:51.439 John Candy movies, we probably should throw out Home Alone, 1358 01:08:51.560 --> 01:08:53.479 since he was in Home Alone as well. But I 1359 01:08:53.479 --> 01:08:56.640 do I think I agree with you as far as 1360 01:08:56.640 --> 01:08:59.520 the best one, Planes Trains and Automobiles. And of course 1361 01:08:59.600 --> 01:09:02.479 John can't any phenomenal in that movie. When Steve Martin 1362 01:09:02.479 --> 01:09:04.960 the first time I saw Steve Martin bade the woman 1363 01:09:05.039 --> 01:09:08.560 behind the counter at the rental car shop, I was crying, 1364 01:09:08.960 --> 01:09:12.640 laughing underrated movie, Planes Trains and Automobiles. 1365 01:09:12.640 --> 01:09:14.960 Do you care to Levy guess what year that movie 1366 01:09:15.039 --> 01:09:15.600 was released? 1367 01:09:16.199 --> 01:09:16.840 Eighty seven? 1368 01:09:17.359 --> 01:09:21.000 What is you are? So weirdly smart? How did you 1369 01:09:21.079 --> 01:09:22.760 know that? Did you look it up? 1370 01:09:23.159 --> 01:09:24.079 I did not look it up? 1371 01:09:24.119 --> 01:09:29.159 But fun, and this shouldn't be surprising. Fun Little Trivia. 1372 01:09:29.720 --> 01:09:34.199 The lady behind the counter who Steve undresses, who soon 1373 01:09:34.279 --> 01:09:39.319 reciprocates and then undresses him, is the principal's secretary in 1374 01:09:39.439 --> 01:09:44.840 Ferris Wheeler's Day Off. Yes, she's an iconic eighties side 1375 01:09:44.920 --> 01:09:46.399 character who always delivers. 1376 01:09:46.760 --> 01:09:50.239 Yeah, indeed, indeed, oh man, now I'm thinking of great 1377 01:09:50.319 --> 01:09:53.000 John Canny movies. That's why I love interviewing Chris Comraddy 1378 01:09:53.000 --> 01:09:56.119 every single Friday. All right, give me your takeaway so far, 1379 01:09:56.199 --> 01:09:59.079 first two rounds of the Masters, Chris. 1380 01:10:00.840 --> 01:10:04.159 I'm fascinated to see if Rory can keep it up. 1381 01:10:04.399 --> 01:10:09.760 Shooting a sixty six today. I don't know. Scheffler just 1382 01:10:09.840 --> 01:10:12.880 had that chip, you know, a few a few holes ago. 1383 01:10:13.600 --> 01:10:14.079 That's enough. 1384 01:10:14.560 --> 01:10:17.960 He's getting my guy though. I don't know if you 1385 01:10:17.960 --> 01:10:19.880 remember who I picked, but my guy is. 1386 01:10:20.479 --> 01:10:23.079 He's not he's not wholly in the mix right now, 1387 01:10:23.119 --> 01:10:25.600 but he's currently stalking the pack. 1388 01:10:26.800 --> 01:10:27.680 Who did you pick? Again? 1389 01:10:27.760 --> 01:10:32.039 Remind me, Mark Cowell, that's right, that's right, Colin morcow 1390 01:10:32.319 --> 01:10:34.319 I'm impressed that you could just fake that you knew 1391 01:10:34.359 --> 01:10:35.479 anything about what had happened. 1392 01:10:35.520 --> 01:10:36.600 So far, So well done. 1393 01:10:36.600 --> 01:10:40.079 C K all right, Chris, let me ask you about 1394 01:10:40.079 --> 01:10:44.520 this dynamic So Jeff Goodman, who covers college basketball and 1395 01:10:44.560 --> 01:10:47.840 one of the more plugged in so Jeff Goodman a 1396 01:10:47.880 --> 01:10:51.399 college basketball is kind of like Shams to the NBA 1397 01:10:51.800 --> 01:10:54.840 or kind of like Schefter to the NFL. Now he's 1398 01:10:54.880 --> 01:10:56.600 not at ESPN anymore, but he's one of the more 1399 01:10:56.640 --> 01:11:00.520 plugged in college basketball media members, and he reports yesterday 1400 01:11:00.560 --> 01:11:03.680 that Rob Wright, who is a point guard who played 1401 01:11:03.680 --> 01:11:05.560 at Baylor last year and as a freshman had a 1402 01:11:05.560 --> 01:11:07.319 really good year at a really good game in Provo 1403 01:11:07.359 --> 01:11:11.199 against BYU. Had signed a one million dollar deal to 1404 01:11:11.239 --> 01:11:14.800 stay at Baylor for his sophomore season, but he has 1405 01:11:15.199 --> 01:11:18.520 broke that agreement with Baylor to take what is now 1406 01:11:18.560 --> 01:11:21.439 being reported as three million dollars in nil money from 1407 01:11:21.479 --> 01:11:24.840 Brigham Young. Now the complicated part, and I don't want 1408 01:11:24.880 --> 01:11:26.399 to be fair here, and I want you to help 1409 01:11:26.520 --> 01:11:28.119 us understand this because you're a journalist. 1410 01:11:28.159 --> 01:11:29.840 We don't necessarily have. 1411 01:11:31.880 --> 01:11:34.800 Ironclad data about these contracts. 1412 01:11:34.880 --> 01:11:36.520 BYU is a private institution. 1413 01:11:37.399 --> 01:11:40.760 We can't file public records requests and get information like 1414 01:11:40.800 --> 01:11:43.439 we can with other schools. But the reports that are 1415 01:11:43.439 --> 01:11:46.359 out there by people, the report on college basketball consistently 1416 01:11:46.399 --> 01:11:48.880 in a way that I don't is that aj Demants 1417 01:11:48.960 --> 01:11:51.760 is getting seven million dollars for five months of basketball. 1418 01:11:52.279 --> 01:11:56.439 Rob Wright's getting three million dollars to play at BYU. 1419 01:11:56.560 --> 01:11:59.479 They paid Yegor Devin seven figures last year. They paid 1420 01:11:59.520 --> 01:12:02.279 Ken and Ken seven figures last year. Jegor is going 1421 01:12:02.279 --> 01:12:05.600 to the NBA. Canada is transferring. The reports are they 1422 01:12:05.600 --> 01:12:08.479 want Richie Saunders back for a seven figure deal, and 1423 01:12:08.520 --> 01:12:12.199 there's a there's a transfer and it was reported today 1424 01:12:12.279 --> 01:12:15.520 Darian Williams, who played at Texas Tech last year, is 1425 01:12:15.720 --> 01:12:19.520 really good and one of the top rated transfer forwards, 1426 01:12:19.520 --> 01:12:21.800 and he is a seven figure player that is rumored 1427 01:12:21.800 --> 01:12:22.920 now to be coming to BYU. 1428 01:12:23.039 --> 01:12:23.920 That is not official. 1429 01:12:24.439 --> 01:12:27.880 So the unofficial tally is in the neighborhood of fifteen 1430 01:12:27.920 --> 01:12:30.159 million dollars for the five or six players that I. 1431 01:12:30.199 --> 01:12:33.520 Just named to play for BYU and Kevin Young next year. 1432 01:12:33.600 --> 01:12:35.640 What do you make of that? What's the take? 1433 01:12:37.119 --> 01:12:42.359 Well, As somebody who has spent quite a bit reporting 1434 01:12:42.439 --> 01:12:46.479 on the world of NIL agents and NIL over the 1435 01:12:46.560 --> 01:12:50.359 last couple of years, I will tell you and the 1436 01:12:50.439 --> 01:12:54.319 listeners of the Drive that numbers that are thrown out 1437 01:12:54.319 --> 01:12:59.600 there aren't always accurate or close after it. I don't 1438 01:12:59.600 --> 01:13:02.239 know any thing about this three million dollar deal with 1439 01:13:02.520 --> 01:13:06.600 Rob Bright and BYU, but I've been told by several 1440 01:13:06.640 --> 01:13:11.039 people who would know that valuations that are posted on 1441 01:13:11.119 --> 01:13:14.479 some websites are often nowhere near close to accurate. 1442 01:13:16.920 --> 01:13:22.279 The world of NIL spence is very tenuous. 1443 01:13:22.479 --> 01:13:28.439 It's treacherous. It's treacherous in that unless you get the 1444 01:13:28.600 --> 01:13:32.560 player or the player's agent to show you the breakdown 1445 01:13:33.000 --> 01:13:39.000 of the actual payment of the nil deal. Odds are 1446 01:13:39.159 --> 01:13:43.279 numbers that are floated are going to be bloated more 1447 01:13:43.279 --> 01:13:46.680 often than not. Sure when when it comes to BYU, 1448 01:13:46.800 --> 01:13:50.640 I'm not surprised because we've seen that the support of 1449 01:13:50.680 --> 01:13:55.800 the basketball program is allowing it to reach heights that 1450 01:13:55.800 --> 01:13:59.880 it never has before. Obviously, it starts with ajdbantsa. You're 1451 01:14:00.239 --> 01:14:03.079 you're not going to get the number one recruit in 1452 01:14:03.119 --> 01:14:06.159 the country, regardless of how much he likes Ja Dogs 1453 01:14:06.159 --> 01:14:09.279 and Kevin Young without being able to open the checkbook. 1454 01:14:09.880 --> 01:14:14.680 And frankly, it makes sense that they're going to continue 1455 01:14:14.720 --> 01:14:19.720 to throw money at players that can potentially help BYU 1456 01:14:19.840 --> 01:14:23.039 make a deeper run than the Cougar's ever had before. 1457 01:14:23.239 --> 01:14:27.800 They're going to build around AJ, who I would assume 1458 01:14:27.880 --> 01:14:30.640 and you can correct me if I'm wrong, will likely 1459 01:14:30.720 --> 01:14:33.359 be only eating j Dogs for one year before he 1460 01:14:33.520 --> 01:14:40.000 decides before he decides to pursue his professional career. But yeah, 1461 01:14:40.239 --> 01:14:43.560 I mean to me, the most fascinating part of all 1462 01:14:43.640 --> 01:14:48.840 this is the fact that we have BYU boosters who 1463 01:14:48.920 --> 01:14:54.439 are wholly willing to back the basketball. 1464 01:14:53.960 --> 01:14:57.159 Program while the football program. 1465 01:14:56.840 --> 01:15:01.880 Is making strides but is clearly nowhere near where the 1466 01:15:01.880 --> 01:15:04.479 basketball program is and It makes sense because the roster 1467 01:15:04.600 --> 01:15:09.159 size and college basketball compared to college football. I mean, 1468 01:15:09.199 --> 01:15:12.319 I know, with the House settlement, we're going to potentially 1469 01:15:12.359 --> 01:15:14.680 go from one oh five to eighty five or whatever 1470 01:15:15.159 --> 01:15:18.119 college basketball is fifteen and the reality is you're probably 1471 01:15:18.119 --> 01:15:22.399 not having to pay the last roster spots twelve to 1472 01:15:22.439 --> 01:15:27.640 fifteen anything. But it is a it is a subplot 1473 01:15:27.800 --> 01:15:30.800 that is developing that I find very interesting. 1474 01:15:33.000 --> 01:15:35.279 Some good stuff there and the other thing that we 1475 01:15:35.439 --> 01:15:38.640 probably should mention because this has bred a lot of 1476 01:15:38.720 --> 01:15:44.359 social media online back and forth from BYU fans and 1477 01:15:44.359 --> 01:15:47.920 in BYU. I'll just say I'm using air quotes BYU 1478 01:15:48.000 --> 01:15:50.840 media members. They're really not media members. They're employees of 1479 01:15:50.880 --> 01:15:54.840 Brigham Young that are hired to propagate messaging from the 1480 01:15:54.920 --> 01:15:58.439 actual school. It happens in pro sports now too. You 1481 01:15:58.479 --> 01:16:01.880 know the in house quote unquote media where you don't 1482 01:16:01.880 --> 01:16:05.199 get any truth. You just get the propagated message further 1483 01:16:05.359 --> 01:16:07.439 from the front office to the masses and hope that 1484 01:16:07.560 --> 01:16:10.199 enough people believe your bs. But you know, you get 1485 01:16:10.199 --> 01:16:13.279 this whole thing like BYU doesn't. They don't want to 1486 01:16:13.319 --> 01:16:15.560 be the highest bidder, you know, they want to be competitive, 1487 01:16:15.640 --> 01:16:18.640 and you know these players are not coming to BYU 1488 01:16:18.640 --> 01:16:21.039 for the money. They're coming to BYU because BYU special 1489 01:16:21.079 --> 01:16:24.039 and they want the experience. And you know, five months 1490 01:16:24.079 --> 01:16:26.159 of Jay Dogs and five months of SWIG is not 1491 01:16:26.159 --> 01:16:28.239 going to be enough to get anybody to live in Provo, 1492 01:16:28.359 --> 01:16:29.640 but seven million dollars is. 1493 01:16:29.680 --> 01:16:30.960 And so it is three million dollars. 1494 01:16:31.000 --> 01:16:33.680 But there is a difference between the church and the 1495 01:16:33.720 --> 01:16:36.920 school writing these checks and the boosters, So we probably 1496 01:16:36.920 --> 01:16:37.800 should be clear on that. 1497 01:16:37.880 --> 01:16:46.520 Yes, And until we get a verified, you know, checklist 1498 01:16:46.600 --> 01:16:50.079 breakdown of how things are supposed to operate if there 1499 01:16:50.239 --> 01:16:55.720 eventually is a set of rules in place, we're operating 1500 01:16:55.760 --> 01:17:00.560 now under the assumption that BYU boosters are opening it books. 1501 01:17:01.000 --> 01:17:03.000 It is not the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter 1502 01:17:03.079 --> 01:17:05.159 day Saints, just the same way at Notre Dame. It's 1503 01:17:05.199 --> 01:17:07.960 not the Catholic Church that's helping Notre Dame land a 1504 01:17:07.960 --> 01:17:10.800 bunch of really good football recruits under Marcus Freeman. It's 1505 01:17:10.840 --> 01:17:12.359 just this is the reality. 1506 01:17:13.159 --> 01:17:16.319 And yeah, I mean it. 1507 01:17:17.159 --> 01:17:21.520 I haven't really waded into that discourse all that much lately, 1508 01:17:21.680 --> 01:17:24.960 to be honest with you, I'm doing my best to 1509 01:17:25.079 --> 01:17:28.880 avoid the the depths of despair that is social media. 1510 01:17:28.960 --> 01:17:33.399 But yes, we are accurate in saying that it is 1511 01:17:34.359 --> 01:17:38.760 support to friends of the program. As my favorite basketball movie, 1512 01:17:38.760 --> 01:17:40.159 Blue Chips once referenced. 1513 01:17:40.920 --> 01:17:45.560 Indeed, indeed is uh is nil tithed? Do you need 1514 01:17:45.600 --> 01:17:47.840 to pay tithing at ile? 1515 01:17:48.399 --> 01:17:50.319 That's a great question I should ask some people. 1516 01:17:50.920 --> 01:17:54.199 You menast you have sources. 1517 01:17:54.840 --> 01:17:57.279 I need you to uncover this is nil tithed. 1518 01:17:58.439 --> 01:18:01.600 I would assume that if if it is part of 1519 01:18:01.680 --> 01:18:04.800 your income, then yes, I would assume it is. 1520 01:18:04.960 --> 01:18:06.439 But that's a great question I will find out. 1521 01:18:06.640 --> 01:18:08.239 Look at you, I'm going to send a couple guys 1522 01:18:08.239 --> 01:18:09.680 over to your house with a book that will change 1523 01:18:09.680 --> 01:18:10.279 your life. 1524 01:18:11.000 --> 01:18:14.560 All right, you referenced in your your your points are 1525 01:18:14.680 --> 01:18:18.920 very valid and fair about It's not a false equivalency 1526 01:18:19.359 --> 01:18:23.359 to bring in the BYU football portion to this conversation. 1527 01:18:23.920 --> 01:18:27.319 But to your point, simply the size of the rosters 1528 01:18:28.039 --> 01:18:30.800 will change what you get per player. But the Salt 1529 01:18:30.880 --> 01:18:33.720 Lake Tribune our good friends over the trip. Kevin Reynolds 1530 01:18:34.439 --> 01:18:37.119 did write a piece and did some reporting last year. 1531 01:18:38.119 --> 01:18:42.319 The first meeting of BYU season last year that was 1532 01:18:42.399 --> 01:18:46.560 run by a fellow who works for the Royal Blue 1533 01:18:46.560 --> 01:18:49.560 Collective or runs it. His name is Min Kim sounds 1534 01:18:49.640 --> 01:18:53.720 like an MLM bro. I don't know, but he had 1535 01:18:53.720 --> 01:18:57.920 this meeting. And this is according to Isaiah back Bagna 1536 01:18:57.920 --> 01:19:01.039 in addition to Creue Wakely, now you're a Wakely left 1537 01:19:01.079 --> 01:19:03.760 provo with a chip on his shoulder. Our guy has 1538 01:19:03.760 --> 01:19:06.640 come out and used every opportunity to talk about promises 1539 01:19:06.640 --> 01:19:07.680 to him that were not made. 1540 01:19:08.439 --> 01:19:09.880 And you can go to the trip and you can 1541 01:19:09.920 --> 01:19:10.960 read the entire piece. 1542 01:19:11.039 --> 01:19:13.119 But as a result of a rough year one in 1543 01:19:13.159 --> 01:19:16.600 the Big twelve, the Royal Blue Collective elected to cut 1544 01:19:16.680 --> 01:19:21.680 the paychecks to these players. Then the nil checks to 1545 01:19:21.720 --> 01:19:25.760 these players. And I just have to wonder if you're 1546 01:19:26.760 --> 01:19:29.760 a BYU football player, if you're Kilanie, if you're a Rod, 1547 01:19:29.800 --> 01:19:33.039 if you're any of these guys, and they're online, they 1548 01:19:33.079 --> 01:19:36.479 read things and they see that the estimates are BYU 1549 01:19:36.560 --> 01:19:39.000 Basketball is now paying what's believed to be in the 1550 01:19:39.000 --> 01:19:42.119 neighborhood of fifteen million dollars for five or six different players. 1551 01:19:42.800 --> 01:19:44.840 I just wonder how that lands with Kilanie. 1552 01:19:44.880 --> 01:19:47.359 And look, they had a great year last year, so 1553 01:19:47.479 --> 01:19:49.800 whatever they're doing obviously is breeding results. 1554 01:19:49.840 --> 01:19:51.119 But what's your take. 1555 01:19:50.960 --> 01:19:52.680 On what I perceive to be a little bit of 1556 01:19:52.720 --> 01:19:55.840 a different support on the basketball side as opposed to 1557 01:19:55.840 --> 01:19:57.520 the football team. 1558 01:19:57.840 --> 01:19:59.439 Well, in the irony of it all, too is that 1559 01:20:00.079 --> 01:20:04.239 all undoubtedly makes the athletic department and the school way 1560 01:20:04.279 --> 01:20:07.920 more money than basketball. And it's always it's always going 1561 01:20:07.960 --> 01:20:10.239 to be the case for a multitude of reasons, like 1562 01:20:10.840 --> 01:20:14.399 Lebel Edwards Stadium seats I don't know, forty five fifty 1563 01:20:14.479 --> 01:20:17.800 thousand more people than the Marriott Center does. And you know, 1564 01:20:18.079 --> 01:20:22.520 ticket sales, merch, all the stuff, the swigs, all that 1565 01:20:22.520 --> 01:20:23.479 stuff goes into it. 1566 01:20:23.520 --> 01:20:25.439 But yeah, no, I mean it is. 1567 01:20:26.079 --> 01:20:30.119 It is a like I said, it's an interesting subplot 1568 01:20:30.520 --> 01:20:35.399 to a revival of a athletic department that just a 1569 01:20:35.399 --> 01:20:39.600 few years ago is or was nowhere near where it 1570 01:20:39.680 --> 01:20:43.760 is now on the revenue making sports, you know, football 1571 01:20:43.800 --> 01:20:48.960 and men's basketball. I would imagine publicly, Pilani would say 1572 01:20:49.439 --> 01:20:51.840 what I would expect it to, and he would be 1573 01:20:51.920 --> 01:20:55.520 very diplomatic and democratic about it. I don't know how 1574 01:20:55.520 --> 01:20:58.600 he feels behind closed doors, but I know for a 1575 01:20:58.640 --> 01:21:01.399 fact that if you're going to keep up, if you're 1576 01:21:01.439 --> 01:21:05.920 going to keep pace in college football, you're going to 1577 01:21:06.000 --> 01:21:06.600 have to pay. 1578 01:21:06.439 --> 01:21:08.000 The same way you do here in college basketball. 1579 01:21:08.039 --> 01:21:10.319 It's just harder because you're going to have to ask 1580 01:21:10.439 --> 01:21:13.880 more people to pay more money because, simply put, the 1581 01:21:14.000 --> 01:21:16.640 roster size is that much bigger. And I honestly don't 1582 01:21:16.640 --> 01:21:19.119 know if Kilanie has been asked this publicly in a 1583 01:21:19.159 --> 01:21:22.960 in a scrum, you know, kind of atmosphere. 1584 01:21:23.159 --> 01:21:25.000 I wonder how he would. I know he would handle 1585 01:21:25.039 --> 01:21:28.960 it fine, but it would be it would be I 1586 01:21:29.000 --> 01:21:30.520 guess it would. It would be interesting to see how 1587 01:21:30.520 --> 01:21:31.199 he would handle it. 1588 01:21:31.680 --> 01:21:34.199 He actually has been asked this in a public setting 1589 01:21:34.239 --> 01:21:36.560 by the host of The Drive Monday through Friday two 1590 01:21:36.560 --> 01:21:38.159 to six at Big twelve media Days. 1591 01:21:38.159 --> 01:21:42.319 And this was this was this was before the debansa stuff. 1592 01:21:42.359 --> 01:21:45.199 This was when I was told what they were paying 1593 01:21:45.279 --> 01:21:47.960 Kevin Young, And this is when the news came down 1594 01:21:47.960 --> 01:21:50.840 a bit about Yegor Demon and Kennon Catching's being seven 1595 01:21:50.880 --> 01:21:51.640 figure players. 1596 01:21:52.199 --> 01:21:54.279 And I asked Klannie point blank. 1597 01:21:55.840 --> 01:21:57.880 And when I asked him this, he gave me the 1598 01:21:58.560 --> 01:22:01.640 north shore of Wahoo prolly looked like he was going 1599 01:22:01.680 --> 01:22:04.760 to bury me into the ocean. But I asked him, 1600 01:22:04.800 --> 01:22:07.000 I said, are you getting the same support the basketball 1601 01:22:07.000 --> 01:22:09.640 team is getting? And he did handle it diplomatically, handled 1602 01:22:09.680 --> 01:22:10.800 it the way Klannie would. 1603 01:22:11.600 --> 01:22:13.600 But I do wonder what he. 1604 01:22:13.560 --> 01:22:17.760 Would say if asked off the record by somebody you know. 1605 01:22:18.000 --> 01:22:20.000 Who could get the actual truth out of him. I 1606 01:22:20.479 --> 01:22:21.880 can't imagine it's sitting well. 1607 01:22:21.920 --> 01:22:24.119 But ultimately the bottom line is they're getting results, So 1608 01:22:24.159 --> 01:22:24.760 I guess that's. 1609 01:22:24.600 --> 01:22:25.199 All that matters. 1610 01:22:25.640 --> 01:22:28.880 On the other side of it, Chris, I just wonder 1611 01:22:28.920 --> 01:22:32.880 how this is landing with the Utah Athletic Department, in 1612 01:22:33.000 --> 01:22:35.640 Utah boosters and powerful people the right checks for the you. 1613 01:22:35.760 --> 01:22:38.279 I mean, I was told last year by somebody who 1614 01:22:38.319 --> 01:22:40.960 I'll just say would know that BYU current and this 1615 01:22:41.079 --> 01:22:44.159 was last year. This could have changed, but at this 1616 01:22:44.359 --> 01:22:47.239 point last year, I was told that BYU currently has 1617 01:22:47.399 --> 01:22:52.199 nine seven figure donors and Utah has two. And it's 1618 01:22:52.199 --> 01:22:54.239 not hard to figure out who the two are. Okay, 1619 01:22:54.279 --> 01:22:56.319 their names are all over where you need them to be. 1620 01:22:57.479 --> 01:22:59.520 And if you were if you're Mark Carlin, and if 1621 01:22:59.520 --> 01:23:02.479 you're the Crew collective and you're looking down south and 1622 01:23:02.560 --> 01:23:07.359 you're seeing these projections, what sort of reaction pressure, whatever 1623 01:23:07.439 --> 01:23:10.640 it is, is kind of seeping into your mindset to 1624 01:23:10.760 --> 01:23:12.840 just be able to keep up with your rival that's. 1625 01:23:12.760 --> 01:23:15.680 Not too far away from where you're at geographically. 1626 01:23:15.479 --> 01:23:18.159 Well, I mean, I think you have to take solace 1627 01:23:18.159 --> 01:23:19.840 in the fact that you hired the guy that you 1628 01:23:19.920 --> 01:23:24.359 believe can resurrect turn around the program that has been 1629 01:23:24.399 --> 01:23:26.920 dormant for way too long, and you kind of have 1630 01:23:27.000 --> 01:23:29.239 to go from there, and you have to operate under 1631 01:23:29.239 --> 01:23:32.359 the assumption that that guy doesn't take that job if 1632 01:23:32.359 --> 01:23:36.720 he wasn't guaranteed the allocated resources necessary in order to 1633 01:23:36.800 --> 01:23:37.479 keep up with. 1634 01:23:39.520 --> 01:23:40.399 The folks in Provo. 1635 01:23:40.680 --> 01:23:44.840 And I don't know, I would doubt that Utah eventually 1636 01:23:44.840 --> 01:23:47.079 gets to the place where they're able to spend seven 1637 01:23:47.119 --> 01:23:49.960 million dollars for the number one. 1638 01:23:49.800 --> 01:23:50.720 Player in the country. 1639 01:23:50.920 --> 01:23:52.680 I mean, I think I think when when all is 1640 01:23:52.680 --> 01:23:56.000 said and done, I think Debansa will go down as 1641 01:23:56.199 --> 01:23:59.920 a an exception, not the rule. I don't think every 1642 01:24:00.479 --> 01:24:06.800 player will be interested in wanting to come to Provo, 1643 01:24:07.760 --> 01:24:09.960 even though you can play for Kevin Young, who's you 1644 01:24:10.039 --> 01:24:14.159 knows Kevin Durant and we've heard that whole spiel. But 1645 01:24:14.239 --> 01:24:16.800 if you're in Utah, you just have to I don't know, man, 1646 01:24:16.880 --> 01:24:18.960 it sounds very boring, but like you kind of have 1647 01:24:19.039 --> 01:24:22.279 to just interest into Alex Jensen that he knows what 1648 01:24:22.319 --> 01:24:24.359 he's doing and that he's going to be able to 1649 01:24:24.359 --> 01:24:28.359 bring players into Salt Lake and be able to build 1650 01:24:28.520 --> 01:24:31.920 a foundation that can turn the program around fast enough. 1651 01:24:31.920 --> 01:24:33.399 But again, I don't think. 1652 01:24:33.239 --> 01:24:36.840 Alex takes the job without being guaranteed that he has 1653 01:24:36.960 --> 01:24:40.840 at least a significant amount of nil at his disposal, 1654 01:24:41.159 --> 01:24:44.039 because in college basketball, and I mean in any sport 1655 01:24:44.119 --> 01:24:46.880 now it matters, but I feel like in college basketball, 1656 01:24:46.920 --> 01:24:50.159 more than anything, if you invest heavily in a couple 1657 01:24:50.199 --> 01:24:53.319 big hitters, you can get your program turned around fairly quickly. 1658 01:24:54.520 --> 01:24:59.439 I will not ask you another benign, mundane Utah football 1659 01:24:59.560 --> 01:25:02.960 spring football takeaway question, but we did have Morgan Scalley 1660 01:25:03.079 --> 01:25:05.640 on the show this week, and we caught up with 1661 01:25:05.720 --> 01:25:09.479 Morgan about all the kind of spring football happenings and 1662 01:25:09.520 --> 01:25:13.319 storylines and uh, you know, ultimately what they're hoping to accomplish. 1663 01:25:13.800 --> 01:25:21.319 I wonder what you think Morgan's uh current patience level 1664 01:25:21.399 --> 01:25:23.600 is uh and whether or not you think he's chomping 1665 01:25:23.640 --> 01:25:25.199 at the bit to take over as head coach. 1666 01:25:27.079 --> 01:25:28.880 I didn't listen to the interview, so I don't know, 1667 01:25:29.079 --> 01:25:30.079 appreciate he's. 1668 01:25:29.960 --> 01:25:33.239 A good friend, supporting supporting your good friend. 1669 01:25:33.800 --> 01:25:34.199 You're better. 1670 01:25:34.279 --> 01:25:36.079 You're a better journalist than I am, so I would 1671 01:25:36.079 --> 01:25:38.039 assume that you asked him point blank, the same way 1672 01:25:38.079 --> 01:25:39.199 you ask Colona point blank. 1673 01:25:39.199 --> 01:25:40.960 And I'll get to it after this phone call. But 1674 01:25:43.600 --> 01:25:44.880 I don't I would. 1675 01:25:44.760 --> 01:25:50.640 Assume that Morgan understands that it's no just around the corner. 1676 01:25:51.199 --> 01:25:54.119 I I mean, we've been talking about Kyle hanging it 1677 01:25:54.199 --> 01:25:56.319 up now for the past five years, and every year 1678 01:25:56.720 --> 01:25:59.159 he seems to surprise us. Now, a lot of that 1679 01:25:59.239 --> 01:26:02.479 has to do with the success and the apex that 1680 01:26:02.520 --> 01:26:04.439 they reached during the end of the Pac twelve era. 1681 01:26:04.640 --> 01:26:09.880 But I don't know, man, Like, if you're guaranteed a 1682 01:26:09.920 --> 01:26:12.760 head coaching job in a Big twelve, I think that 1683 01:26:13.199 --> 01:26:15.720 especially at a school that you have so much invested 1684 01:26:15.760 --> 01:26:18.000 in and know so well, in a community you're so 1685 01:26:18.119 --> 01:26:21.279 invested in and know so well, I think just having 1686 01:26:21.319 --> 01:26:23.920 to sit and wait and by your time a little 1687 01:26:23.920 --> 01:26:27.279 bit is a lot easier than you know, chasing a 1688 01:26:27.319 --> 01:26:29.279 carrot that might be dangled out in front of you. 1689 01:26:29.359 --> 01:26:31.079 Now, I don't think that's the case. 1690 01:26:31.159 --> 01:26:35.119 I know when you know Lincoln Riley was interested in 1691 01:26:35.239 --> 01:26:38.159 hiring Morgan to be the USC defensive coordinator a couple 1692 01:26:38.199 --> 01:26:41.239 of years ago. Like Morgan, if he would have took 1693 01:26:41.319 --> 01:26:43.800 taken that job, would have been the USC defensive coordinator. 1694 01:26:43.840 --> 01:26:45.920 Here at Utah, he's the Utah defensive. 1695 01:26:45.479 --> 01:26:48.359 Coordinator, and he's the coach in waiting, and the coach 1696 01:26:48.399 --> 01:26:50.600 ahead of him is not forty three years old like 1697 01:26:50.640 --> 01:26:52.039 Lincoln Riley is or whatever. 1698 01:26:52.479 --> 01:26:57.279 He just turned sixty five. So I think, you know, 1699 01:26:57.359 --> 01:26:58.119 Morgan kind. 1700 01:26:58.039 --> 01:27:00.720 Of has the ability to build and mold the defensive 1701 01:27:00.760 --> 01:27:03.760 side of the roster secs fit. I think he's earned 1702 01:27:03.800 --> 01:27:06.520 that right, and he's doing it under a guy that 1703 01:27:06.560 --> 01:27:07.840 he cut his teeth under. 1704 01:27:08.399 --> 01:27:11.319 And you know, I think if you ever wanted to get. 1705 01:27:11.119 --> 01:27:15.399 Into the XES and o's, you know minutiae of at all. 1706 01:27:15.439 --> 01:27:19.720 I mean, Morgan's defense is Fred Whittingham's defense, and he 1707 01:27:19.760 --> 01:27:21.319 would be the first one to tell you that the 1708 01:27:21.319 --> 01:27:22.920 same way File would be the first one to tell 1709 01:27:22.960 --> 01:27:23.279 you that. 1710 01:27:23.159 --> 01:27:24.720 That's how his defense was built too. 1711 01:27:24.800 --> 01:27:27.920 So that's a very long winded way of saying I 1712 01:27:27.960 --> 01:27:30.399 don't think Morgan is probably ansy at this point. 1713 01:27:30.800 --> 01:27:32.359 All right, last thing, and I'll set you lose. 1714 01:27:32.399 --> 01:27:35.680 I was speaking with somebody today and I will tell you. 1715 01:27:35.600 --> 01:27:39.039 Who after our interview's over. I'll leave the name off air. 1716 01:27:40.359 --> 01:27:42.760 And I asked him, I said, you know, I'm told 1717 01:27:42.800 --> 01:27:48.239 that this announcement about the Miller family taking over, and look, 1718 01:27:48.279 --> 01:27:50.319 we still have to wait as far as what the 1719 01:27:50.359 --> 01:27:54.520 details are. What we are anticipating is this means Ryan 1720 01:27:54.560 --> 01:27:58.439 Smith is exiting stage left, and the Blitzer group will 1721 01:27:58.479 --> 01:28:02.079 maintain whatever control they may and Scott Crace, Dave Blitzer's 1722 01:28:02.079 --> 01:28:05.520 ownership rep, will continue to be the director of whatever. 1723 01:28:05.560 --> 01:28:08.000 He is kind of overseeing the entire thing. Is Dave 1724 01:28:08.000 --> 01:28:10.520 Blitzer's kind of eyes and ears here on the ground 1725 01:28:10.560 --> 01:28:12.680 in saw Lake. But asked him, I said, this feels 1726 01:28:12.720 --> 01:28:15.239 like it's good news in a lot of ways for 1727 01:28:15.319 --> 01:28:18.600 people that are over with the club. And this person 1728 01:28:18.640 --> 01:28:20.680 said to me, I don't think this is really going 1729 01:28:20.760 --> 01:28:24.800 to change very much. And it just kind of made 1730 01:28:24.880 --> 01:28:27.399 me think about all the ownership transitions over the years, 1731 01:28:27.439 --> 01:28:32.119 obviously starting with my father to Deloy and then Deloy 1732 01:28:32.239 --> 01:28:36.720 to this current iteration of RSL's ownership and now the 1733 01:28:37.000 --> 01:28:40.760 fourth change in twenty years where the Miller family will 1734 01:28:40.800 --> 01:28:41.199 step in. 1735 01:28:41.319 --> 01:28:44.399 And I just wonder what you anticipate based off. 1736 01:28:44.279 --> 01:28:46.439 Of your knowledge of the way MLS works, the way 1737 01:28:46.560 --> 01:28:49.159 RSL operates, and you know your knowledge of the way 1738 01:28:49.239 --> 01:28:52.199 the Miller family likes to do their business. 1739 01:28:53.279 --> 01:28:56.000 Well, we have to start with the fact that the 1740 01:28:56.039 --> 01:28:59.840 Millers are going to be running and bankrolling a club 1741 01:29:00.119 --> 01:29:04.520 a league that is nothing really close to what the 1742 01:29:04.640 --> 01:29:07.760 Jazz are in the NBA, meaning that like they can 1743 01:29:07.960 --> 01:29:11.479 invest money in they both in RSL and the Royals, 1744 01:29:12.800 --> 01:29:14.880 as they should and as I've been told they plan 1745 01:29:14.960 --> 01:29:15.399 on doing. 1746 01:29:15.960 --> 01:29:17.199 But I've also been. 1747 01:29:17.000 --> 01:29:20.600 Told that the day to day type stuff is not 1748 01:29:20.800 --> 01:29:24.520 going to change at the level it did from you know, 1749 01:29:24.600 --> 01:29:26.279 the last ownership transition. 1750 01:29:26.399 --> 01:29:28.800 And obviously the last ownership transition was. 1751 01:29:29.359 --> 01:29:33.039 Under pretty extreme circumstances, you know, being run by the 1752 01:29:33.119 --> 01:29:36.039 league for I think it was like over a year 1753 01:29:36.079 --> 01:29:39.000 at that point, and you know, it was it was 1754 01:29:39.159 --> 01:29:42.119 pretty it was pretty guyer over there for a while. 1755 01:29:42.319 --> 01:29:45.000 That's not going to be the case once this ownership 1756 01:29:45.640 --> 01:29:49.520 sale takes place. But hey, man, the Millers know what 1757 01:29:49.520 --> 01:29:52.600 they're doing. They they have a lot of money they 1758 01:29:52.640 --> 01:29:55.239 I mean, like they are not lacking in money when 1759 01:29:55.279 --> 01:29:59.359 it comes to you know, the movie theaters, the dealerships 1760 01:29:59.399 --> 01:30:01.840 they've I can't remember what the number was when they 1761 01:30:01.880 --> 01:30:03.720 sold off a lot of their dealerships, but I think 1762 01:30:03.720 --> 01:30:05.800 it ended up starting in the in the with the 1763 01:30:05.880 --> 01:30:06.760 B not the end. 1764 01:30:07.000 --> 01:30:08.399 Yeah, I think it's like six billion. 1765 01:30:08.920 --> 01:30:13.000 Yeah, so and they're they're riding high off of you know, 1766 01:30:13.239 --> 01:30:16.479 opening this new b stadium at daybreak. And I just 1767 01:30:16.800 --> 01:30:21.800 I think that, as I've been told, they plan on 1768 01:30:22.239 --> 01:30:25.000 investing into the rosters of these teams. And that's at 1769 01:30:25.000 --> 01:30:25.640 the end of the day. 1770 01:30:25.680 --> 01:30:25.880 Man. 1771 01:30:26.399 --> 01:30:29.199 I can't I can't just I mean, I'll just say 1772 01:30:29.199 --> 01:30:31.960 it on the show The Drive Monday through Friday, two 1773 01:30:31.960 --> 01:30:35.520 to six, every single week, like ninety percent of fans 1774 01:30:35.600 --> 01:30:38.039 care about the product on the field they could give, 1775 01:30:38.880 --> 01:30:41.439 you know what about the Jay Dogs and the you know, 1776 01:30:41.520 --> 01:30:45.479 the concessions and the free Wi Fi and all this 1777 01:30:45.520 --> 01:30:46.159 other stuff. 1778 01:30:46.199 --> 01:30:48.880 If you invest in a team that's fun to watch 1779 01:30:48.960 --> 01:30:52.359 and wins games, your fans will come and they will 1780 01:30:52.359 --> 01:30:53.359 come and droves. 1781 01:30:53.439 --> 01:30:56.640 And what I've been told is that the Miller's plan 1782 01:30:56.840 --> 01:31:01.239 on allocating the necessary amount of resources into doing that 1783 01:31:01.319 --> 01:31:02.279 to both of these teams. 1784 01:31:03.880 --> 01:31:05.720 Well, only time We'll tell my friends. You want me 1785 01:31:05.760 --> 01:31:07.960 to grab you some Ribbys before I get out of here? 1786 01:31:08.960 --> 01:31:11.960 Are they got any say that again? 1787 01:31:12.000 --> 01:31:19.319 You broke up Chris. Uh, we lost him, all right? 1788 01:31:19.359 --> 01:31:21.880 Speaking to Ribbys, you guys have a chance to come 1789 01:31:21.920 --> 01:31:25.319 out here and buy twenty Ribbis for only forty dollars. Okay, 1790 01:31:25.399 --> 01:31:28.520 So we are out at one oh four five zero 1791 01:31:28.800 --> 01:31:32.399 South State Streets number two three two zero. It's one 1792 01:31:32.399 --> 01:31:34.680 o four to five zero, South State Street number two 1793 01:31:34.760 --> 01:31:37.239 three two zero. We're out here in support of our 1794 01:31:37.279 --> 01:31:39.840 friends at Homestead Steaks. I'm telling you it is a 1795 01:31:39.840 --> 01:31:42.319 great deal. 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They've got bulk deals for steak, chicken, pork chops, 1836 01:33:41.119 --> 01:33:41.720 and seafood. 1837 01:33:41.800 --> 01:33:43.359 Bulk family party packs. 1838 01:33:43.079 --> 01:33:46.680 To fill your freezer with New York strips, filats, Mega Ribbis, 1839 01:33:46.720 --> 01:33:52.159 gourmet smash burgers plus chicken and seafood. All payments accepted, cash, credit, debit, 1840 01:33:52.199 --> 01:33:52.840 and EBT. 1841 01:33:53.000 --> 01:33:54.000 So come on out and say hi. 1842 01:33:54.039 --> 01:33:56.560 It's one oh four to five zero South State Street, 1843 01:33:56.680 --> 01:34:01.079 number two three two zero. We have a celebrity siding 1844 01:34:01.119 --> 01:34:05.720 live on site. Richard Smith Smitty forty years. 1845 01:34:05.439 --> 01:34:07.920 With you, Jah Jazz. Did you have any trouble finding 1846 01:34:08.039 --> 01:34:09.800 this vacance parking spence? 1847 01:34:09.880 --> 01:34:12.800 This is this is the thing we're telling the listeners. 1848 01:34:13.079 --> 01:34:15.800 You come down State Street, you get around one hundred 1849 01:34:15.800 --> 01:34:18.319 and four South, you look for the Ethan Allen building. 1850 01:34:18.720 --> 01:34:22.520 We're right behind that. All right, that's the address. What's 1851 01:34:22.560 --> 01:34:23.239 suite we're in? 1852 01:34:23.359 --> 01:34:23.760 Whatever? 1853 01:34:24.159 --> 01:34:26.239 You know, people are gonna be driving around all over 1854 01:34:26.239 --> 01:34:28.920 the place. I just happen to come behind the Ethan 1855 01:34:28.960 --> 01:34:31.199 Allen building and oh, look, look at you. There's an 1856 01:34:31.359 --> 01:34:34.920 ESPN tent in the middle of nowhere parking lot. I 1857 01:34:34.920 --> 01:34:36.880 wonder what that's doing out there, and I come over 1858 01:34:37.159 --> 01:34:40.840 and here's Spence. Check its out in the natural wind, 1859 01:34:41.439 --> 01:34:46.239 the sun, doing his job for America, next to the 1860 01:34:46.239 --> 01:34:50.039 Thermo king truck with all the two dollars stripped steaks. 1861 01:34:50.359 --> 01:34:53.199 What could be better in this this land of America? 1862 01:34:53.279 --> 01:34:55.680 Well said, I mean, you know me, I'm just a 1863 01:34:55.720 --> 01:34:56.720 hard working, hard. 1864 01:34:56.560 --> 01:35:00.640 Work that's and I did expected nothing less, I said. 1865 01:35:00.920 --> 01:35:03.640 I looked from three miles away and I could see 1866 01:35:03.640 --> 01:35:06.560 this tent and I go, I'll bet dispense is underneath 1867 01:35:06.600 --> 01:35:10.960 that tent, just braving the elements for the listening pleasure 1868 01:35:11.279 --> 01:35:12.760 of the Utah sports fan. 1869 01:35:13.159 --> 01:35:15.079 What a guy, And that's what I'm trying to do. 1870 01:35:15.159 --> 01:35:17.479 The tent is doing us no good because the wind 1871 01:35:17.520 --> 01:35:19.640 is blowing no matter what. The truck is on the 1872 01:35:19.680 --> 01:35:21.960 background because they have to refrigerate the meat. So we're 1873 01:35:22.000 --> 01:35:26.439 dealing with some elements today, Smitty. But nonetheless we traverse 1874 01:35:26.520 --> 01:35:28.920 on great to see my friends. 1875 01:35:29.960 --> 01:35:33.640 A lot to do. We just did. 1876 01:35:33.760 --> 01:35:39.359 What's by the way, I've never met Chris Cameranie. 1877 01:35:39.399 --> 01:35:40.399 It sounds like a great guy. 1878 01:35:40.560 --> 01:35:41.000 Is the best? 1879 01:35:41.000 --> 01:35:44.199 Okay, Yeah, what's his deal with? He can't get in 1880 01:35:44.199 --> 01:35:45.920 the car and come out and see you on a. 1881 01:35:47.600 --> 01:35:50.119 It's a fair question and one that I posted him. 1882 01:35:50.159 --> 01:35:52.439 He does have a two year old son. His wife 1883 01:35:52.520 --> 01:35:53.399 is a school. 1884 01:35:53.039 --> 01:35:55.000 Teacher, okay, and she's the best. 1885 01:35:55.039 --> 01:35:56.920 These are as Salt through the Earth people some of 1886 01:35:56.960 --> 01:36:00.159 my favorite people on the planet. And when she's teaching school, 1887 01:36:00.279 --> 01:36:01.800 Chris has to I got to take care of the 1888 01:36:01.840 --> 01:36:02.279 ki Okay. 1889 01:36:02.319 --> 01:36:06.119 That's fair enough, because it sounded like a scott laden 1890 01:36:06.319 --> 01:36:10.840 type of excuse that I don't go anywhere past twenty 1891 01:36:10.880 --> 01:36:14.399 first South. So if it's past twenty first south, it 1892 01:36:14.520 --> 01:36:17.560 might as well be in Arizona, because I don't know 1893 01:36:17.600 --> 01:36:18.199 where it is. 1894 01:36:18.279 --> 01:36:20.600 I've gotta say Scotty and I have that in common. 1895 01:36:21.079 --> 01:36:23.199 I extended to thirty third because one of my best 1896 01:36:23.199 --> 01:36:26.960 friends lives on thirty third. If I had my druthers, 1897 01:36:27.079 --> 01:36:29.319 I would not go south of thirty third, and certainly 1898 01:36:29.319 --> 01:36:30.800 I wouldn't go north of the Capitol. 1899 01:36:30.960 --> 01:36:33.039 Oh yes, oh look, hey, I'm gonna tell you. 1900 01:36:33.199 --> 01:36:34.880 Right up the street from here, and this is a 1901 01:36:35.039 --> 01:36:37.720 this is a plug that I don't know why, but 1902 01:36:37.840 --> 01:36:41.640 this right up the street here on State Street about 1903 01:36:41.680 --> 01:36:44.880 hundred south is one of my new favorite places to eat. 1904 01:36:45.000 --> 01:36:49.199 Dolly's Salad Salad Bar. It's it's like a version of 1905 01:36:49.720 --> 01:36:52.840 Sweet Tomatoes. If you remember tomatoes, you're in the same 1906 01:36:52.880 --> 01:36:57.560 sweet tomato spot. Great fresh, fresh salad bar, really high 1907 01:36:57.680 --> 01:36:58.520 quality stuff. 1908 01:36:58.560 --> 01:36:59.159 I love it. 1909 01:36:59.239 --> 01:37:01.840 My wife and I go there frequently and we live 1910 01:37:01.920 --> 01:37:05.840 we live in town Sugarhouse Park. Yeah, we come out 1911 01:37:05.920 --> 01:37:09.439 here frequently just to go to Dolly's. And anybody who's 1912 01:37:09.479 --> 01:37:12.079 looking for a good salad option for lunch or an 1913 01:37:12.079 --> 01:37:15.000 early dinner, what what a place at is? I give 1914 01:37:15.039 --> 01:37:16.760 them a plug. I get nothing out of it, but 1915 01:37:17.119 --> 01:37:20.560 it's it's just my contribution to this radio program. 1916 01:37:20.680 --> 01:37:21.760 No, we appreciate that. 1917 01:37:21.880 --> 01:37:24.800 How is our guy, Scotty Scotty Scotty Lady, He is 1918 01:37:24.880 --> 01:37:25.720 doing good. 1919 01:37:25.520 --> 01:37:28.000 You know, he's he's he works for the Sacramento Kings. 1920 01:37:28.039 --> 01:37:33.079 He's uh, he's working as their their director of of 1921 01:37:33.159 --> 01:37:35.920 East Coast pro Scouting, so he gets to do a 1922 01:37:35.920 --> 01:37:38.640 lot of the work. He does on the train and 1923 01:37:38.800 --> 01:37:42.199 that you're familiar with Spence going anywhere along the East 1924 01:37:42.199 --> 01:37:45.279 Coast from from Boston all the way down to d C. 1925 01:37:45.880 --> 01:37:47.760 He lives in New York City, so he gets on 1926 01:37:47.760 --> 01:37:50.439 the train, goes to the Philly Games, gets on the train, 1927 01:37:50.560 --> 01:37:54.039 goes to the Cetic games, does his work, usually can 1928 01:37:54.039 --> 01:37:57.760 get home the same night, and he's enjoying it, loves it. 1929 01:37:58.359 --> 01:38:03.239 Just had the other day his third grandchild by his 1930 01:38:03.319 --> 01:38:06.760 oldest daughter, who's so excited. 1931 01:38:06.279 --> 01:38:07.600 Little little baby girl. 1932 01:38:07.720 --> 01:38:08.199 That's great. 1933 01:38:08.399 --> 01:38:10.960 And he was he was showing me new pictures of 1934 01:38:11.000 --> 01:38:14.039 her today. And he's a power, proud grandpa. 1935 01:38:14.039 --> 01:38:16.199 Very nice. All right, I've got a bunch of stuff 1936 01:38:16.239 --> 01:38:17.920 I want to get to with you. And since we 1937 01:38:17.920 --> 01:38:18.560 were just you. 1938 01:38:18.479 --> 01:38:21.760 Know, talking about Scott Layden, and of course the Leyden's 1939 01:38:21.800 --> 01:38:23.880 are Utah Royalty, Jazz Royalty. 1940 01:38:24.920 --> 01:38:27.199 There is a new era of. 1941 01:38:27.159 --> 01:38:30.000 Jazz basketball, both on the floor and off the floor. 1942 01:38:30.039 --> 01:38:31.600 And Dan Roberts. 1943 01:38:31.920 --> 01:38:36.399 Forty six years, nearly twenty two hundred games, has been uh, 1944 01:38:36.520 --> 01:38:38.359 well he's retired. 1945 01:38:38.840 --> 01:38:41.159 We'll just leave it. Leave it at that. Jazz honored 1946 01:38:41.199 --> 01:38:43.359 him the other night. His final game will be tonight. 1947 01:38:44.000 --> 01:38:45.199 H And I don't know. 1948 01:38:45.560 --> 01:38:49.279 Who's left, Trav or guy Travis Centerson. 1949 01:38:49.319 --> 01:38:52.239 Of course Big T Bowler's been there forever. 1950 01:38:52.359 --> 01:38:56.479 But Dan feels like one of the final pieces of 1951 01:38:56.760 --> 01:39:01.119 jazz past being ripped away from us. And if you're 1952 01:39:01.119 --> 01:39:03.880 of a certain age and like you or like me, 1953 01:39:04.000 --> 01:39:06.600 I mean Jazz basketball. I really don't have a memory 1954 01:39:06.600 --> 01:39:08.640 of life that doesn't include some form of the NBA 1955 01:39:08.720 --> 01:39:10.119 and the Jazz were part of my life when I 1956 01:39:10.119 --> 01:39:12.520 was a kid, and I still to this day badly 1957 01:39:12.600 --> 01:39:14.760 want to see people over there, I like, succeed and 1958 01:39:14.960 --> 01:39:15.760 have them do well. 1959 01:39:16.319 --> 01:39:17.159 But bring him on. 1960 01:39:17.239 --> 01:39:20.600 How about this jazz You know, Dan is one of 1961 01:39:20.640 --> 01:39:24.000 the best to ever do it in the entire history 1962 01:39:24.000 --> 01:39:25.479 of pro basketball. 1963 01:39:24.960 --> 01:39:26.399 And this is it for him. I wonder what your 1964 01:39:26.439 --> 01:39:27.800 takeaways are from now. 1965 01:39:27.920 --> 01:39:29.079 Very very tearful. 1966 01:39:29.159 --> 01:39:31.399 I was at the game the other night when they 1967 01:39:31.600 --> 01:39:36.159 they honored him, and rightfully, so he's just a he's 1968 01:39:35.840 --> 01:39:39.439 a great voice, uh in the arena. He's a great 1969 01:39:39.560 --> 01:39:46.000 recognizable voice for jazz basketball. The fact that he's he's 1970 01:39:46.119 --> 01:39:50.079 leaving leaves just a few a few people and and 1971 01:39:50.079 --> 01:39:52.279 and you know, the guy probably is still at the 1972 01:39:52.279 --> 01:39:54.079 top of the mountain at the moment. 1973 01:39:54.239 --> 01:39:55.039 Is a Ron Boone? 1974 01:39:55.600 --> 01:39:58.000 Yes, you know, Yes, Ron Boone was a player. Yeah, 1975 01:39:58.039 --> 01:40:00.399 that's right, and then came back as a broad tester. 1976 01:40:01.159 --> 01:40:04.159 And you know, Booner, I don't know if you know 1977 01:40:04.199 --> 01:40:08.960 what his situation is going forward after the broadcasts uh 1978 01:40:09.079 --> 01:40:12.800 this weekend, But but he's still there and and Dan 1979 01:40:12.920 --> 01:40:16.399 Roberts you know, had a lot of great video tributes 1980 01:40:16.439 --> 01:40:20.199 by uh former players and they got on camera you 1981 01:40:20.239 --> 01:40:22.520 know to say thanks thanks Dan, and. 1982 01:40:22.359 --> 01:40:24.000 And and uh and rightfully. 1983 01:40:24.039 --> 01:40:29.279 So what he's really a great person, nice family, really 1984 01:40:29.399 --> 01:40:33.319 loves the jazz and uh uh and the fact that 1985 01:40:33.359 --> 01:40:36.760 they honored him was was very nice uh for. 1986 01:40:36.760 --> 01:40:38.079 Them to do in that regard. 1987 01:40:38.439 --> 01:40:41.119 And I know it touched his heart at the same time, 1988 01:40:41.600 --> 01:40:45.159 I know it's it's it's a it's a tough, a 1989 01:40:45.199 --> 01:40:48.680 tough deal for him, feeling like, you know, he's taking 1990 01:40:48.720 --> 01:40:52.199 him himself out of the mix of something that he's 1991 01:40:52.279 --> 01:40:57.079 done for almost spence almost half a century. 1992 01:40:57.119 --> 01:40:59.640 Yeah, it's it's a it's a great. 1993 01:40:59.520 --> 01:41:02.399 Run by and we love Dan and his family and 1994 01:41:03.560 --> 01:41:05.039 we wish him nothing but the best. 1995 01:41:05.600 --> 01:41:09.119 So Alex Jensen made a hire today of a coach 1996 01:41:09.199 --> 01:41:12.239 that you know, and we'll do that in our second segment. 1997 01:41:12.279 --> 01:41:14.680 Since we're talking jazz, let's just stick with little. 1998 01:41:14.479 --> 01:41:17.359 Jazz and a little NBA and we'll get to some 1999 01:41:17.479 --> 01:41:18.880 NBA storylines. 2000 01:41:18.319 --> 01:41:18.840 In a moment. 2001 01:41:21.039 --> 01:41:27.319 This Kyle Philipowski storyline, as Marketing's been sitting and Kessler's 2002 01:41:27.359 --> 01:41:31.119 been sitting and John Collins has been sitting incrementally. You know, 2003 01:41:31.119 --> 01:41:34.039 they've been resting their most of their veteran front core players. 2004 01:41:34.119 --> 01:41:36.439 Are they heard those guys have been hurt? Come on, man, 2005 01:41:37.119 --> 01:41:39.640 come on, they're wrestling them for Come on, man for 2006 01:41:39.760 --> 01:41:40.319 what for? 2007 01:41:40.399 --> 01:41:41.039 Cooper Flag? 2008 01:41:41.479 --> 01:41:43.359 The wrestling for Cooper Flying? 2009 01:41:43.640 --> 01:41:46.359 Right, come on, man, we know the deal. Don't play 2010 01:41:46.399 --> 01:41:48.239 with me. I don't like it either. It is what 2011 01:41:48.279 --> 01:41:50.159 it is. But we know the deal. We know what 2012 01:41:50.239 --> 01:41:51.680 time it is, we know what they're doing. They're not 2013 01:41:51.680 --> 01:41:52.439 fooling anybody. 2014 01:41:52.520 --> 01:41:55.199 Then, no matter what they say, as always say, judge 2015 01:41:55.239 --> 01:41:58.840 people off of actions, not words. But incrementally sitting all 2016 01:41:58.880 --> 01:42:01.399 their veteran front court players has opened up a lot 2017 01:42:01.399 --> 01:42:04.600 of minutes for Kyle. And I always go back and 2018 01:42:04.640 --> 01:42:06.920 forth with this because I've seen so many teams over 2019 01:42:06.920 --> 01:42:10.079 the years that are unserious about winning, and those teams 2020 01:42:10.119 --> 01:42:12.439 that are unseerious about winning still have minutes that need 2021 01:42:12.479 --> 01:42:14.159 to be filled, They still have shots that need to 2022 01:42:14.199 --> 01:42:15.840 be taken, they still have usage. 2023 01:42:16.279 --> 01:42:17.199 So I always go back. 2024 01:42:17.039 --> 01:42:20.399 To like shreef Abdourheim, who for years was like twenty 2025 01:42:20.399 --> 01:42:23.880 two and twelve for Vancouver, and I always wonder like 2026 01:42:24.000 --> 01:42:26.439 is he awesome or are they horrible and they just 2027 01:42:26.479 --> 01:42:29.960 need somebody to score. But some of Kyle's stat lines, 2028 01:42:30.000 --> 01:42:32.439 namely the other night against Portland, are pretty eye popping 2029 01:42:33.199 --> 01:42:35.279 from your vantage point, What have you seen from them 2030 01:42:35.319 --> 01:42:37.359 that you think is real? Do you think the Jazz 2031 01:42:37.439 --> 01:42:39.039 might have something in Kyle Pilapowski. 2032 01:42:39.359 --> 01:42:41.600 Yeah, Well, what he's shown to me a couple things. Spence. 2033 01:42:41.680 --> 01:42:44.800 One is a versatility that he has. He can go 2034 01:42:44.840 --> 01:42:47.760 in and make plays. He has good footworks so he 2035 01:42:47.800 --> 01:42:50.039 can get around the mid post. He can make some 2036 01:42:50.079 --> 01:42:53.359 plays around the basket. He can also step out and 2037 01:42:53.399 --> 01:42:56.399 shoot or even actually, for a guy his size, put 2038 01:42:56.439 --> 01:42:58.720 it on the floor one or two dribbles and get 2039 01:42:58.840 --> 01:42:59.960 something to get an advance. 2040 01:43:01.479 --> 01:43:03.279 I like the flow he plays with. 2041 01:43:03.439 --> 01:43:06.640 I like some of the the energy that he looks 2042 01:43:06.680 --> 01:43:10.239 like he brings to the floor. The tough part about 2043 01:43:10.319 --> 01:43:14.880 these kinds of games is always the fact that those 2044 01:43:14.920 --> 01:43:18.199 guys who are playing, they know what the deal is 2045 01:43:18.239 --> 01:43:21.720 like in this situation where the Jazz really are aren't 2046 01:43:21.760 --> 01:43:25.479 playing meaningful games to try to try and win, it's 2047 01:43:25.520 --> 01:43:30.039 all under the guys of a player development. Okay, that's 2048 01:43:30.079 --> 01:43:34.600 what you want to roll with. But the tougher part 2049 01:43:34.600 --> 01:43:37.640 of it is that the players know that there are 2050 01:43:37.720 --> 01:43:42.119 very little consequences, very few consequences, I should say, to 2051 01:43:42.560 --> 01:43:45.279 how they play, because they know the team isn't gonna 2052 01:43:45.319 --> 01:43:48.000 be upset, the general manager is not gonna be upset, 2053 01:43:48.079 --> 01:43:50.479 the owner is not gonna be upset if you lose 2054 01:43:50.520 --> 01:43:52.920 the game, and so they're gonna tell him you took 2055 01:43:52.960 --> 01:43:55.079 a bad shot, or you should have made this decision 2056 01:43:55.159 --> 01:43:57.560 with the ball, or you didn't get over the screen 2057 01:43:57.760 --> 01:44:01.039 or whatever it is. But in the middle of playing 2058 01:44:01.119 --> 01:44:04.479 the game, the players really in the back of their minds, 2059 01:44:04.720 --> 01:44:08.680 they know there's really no real consequences to whether I 2060 01:44:08.720 --> 01:44:13.279 play well or play badly, So you know they're not 2061 01:44:13.319 --> 01:44:17.239 playing meaningful games. And when you're not playing games that 2062 01:44:17.239 --> 01:44:22.079 that count towards something, then it's hard sometimes to try 2063 01:44:22.079 --> 01:44:25.520 to engage what that player would actually do if there 2064 01:44:25.560 --> 01:44:28.560 was pressure on the line, and if there were were 2065 01:44:28.640 --> 01:44:32.199 if you were playing for the for the the sixth 2066 01:44:32.239 --> 01:44:34.239 position in the playoffs and you don't want to get 2067 01:44:34.239 --> 01:44:36.560 in the play in, or you're playing for the tenth 2068 01:44:36.600 --> 01:44:39.319 position in the play in and you're trying to get 2069 01:44:39.319 --> 01:44:42.199 in just so you don't miss the playoffs, your pressure 2070 01:44:42.319 --> 01:44:45.880 games that means something that really add to the fabric 2071 01:44:46.039 --> 01:44:49.600 of an individual player's game. So that's the hard part 2072 01:44:49.720 --> 01:44:52.600 is because these games, these are just live scrimmages. 2073 01:44:53.000 --> 01:44:57.560 The game with Portland the other night, I was there. 2074 01:44:58.479 --> 01:45:02.359 I gotta tell you either team cared about being there. 2075 01:45:02.800 --> 01:45:06.359 They were both running up and down throwing up shots. 2076 01:45:06.880 --> 01:45:10.359 You know, it's not an NBA game. I felt badly 2077 01:45:11.000 --> 01:45:13.239 just for people who came and took their time and 2078 01:45:13.279 --> 01:45:17.199 spent their money. For all the things that are involved 2079 01:45:17.199 --> 01:45:19.880 in doing that, right, getting a sitter, if you're bringing 2080 01:45:19.960 --> 01:45:24.319 your family playing, for parking, the price of the tickets, 2081 01:45:24.359 --> 01:45:26.279 you know, getting a hot dog or a drink or 2082 01:45:26.319 --> 01:45:27.000 whatever it is. 2083 01:45:27.399 --> 01:45:28.479 Those things add up. 2084 01:45:28.520 --> 01:45:31.279 And yet they're watching, you know what really amounts to 2085 01:45:31.319 --> 01:45:35.239 a summer summer league scrimmage. And that's too bad. It's 2086 01:45:35.279 --> 01:45:38.439 too bad for the fans. But the players are getting 2087 01:45:38.479 --> 01:45:39.079 playing time. 2088 01:45:39.439 --> 01:45:41.960 Is it meaningful? That's hard to say. 2089 01:45:42.439 --> 01:45:44.840 You're the only way it's meaningful is if they're being 2090 01:45:44.880 --> 01:45:49.159 held accountable behind the scenes by the coaching staff in 2091 01:45:49.239 --> 01:45:51.399 terms of what they do and how they assess the 2092 01:45:51.479 --> 01:45:54.920 film the next day. And you know that's that's a 2093 01:45:55.000 --> 01:45:59.560 tough thing to try and gauge. So are they meaningful? 2094 01:46:00.119 --> 01:46:04.159 I don't think so personally, but seeing someone like Philipowsky, 2095 01:46:04.239 --> 01:46:07.720 what it does in one level is at least shows 2096 01:46:07.760 --> 01:46:11.479 you some of the things he's capable of physically. So 2097 01:46:11.680 --> 01:46:14.800 now we need to get him into games that matter, 2098 01:46:15.039 --> 01:46:17.840 games that mean something, and then we see how he 2099 01:46:17.920 --> 01:46:20.119 reacts in those kinds of situations. 2100 01:46:20.119 --> 01:46:20.479 Bingo. 2101 01:46:20.600 --> 01:46:22.399 And that's why I want to move over to next 2102 01:46:22.439 --> 01:46:25.000 because whenever, because I've got a lot of friends like 2103 01:46:25.079 --> 01:46:27.399 you that love the Jazz, and I've got a lot 2104 01:46:27.439 --> 01:46:30.079 of friends like you that have been spoiled by the 2105 01:46:30.119 --> 01:46:31.279 success of the Jazz. 2106 01:46:31.560 --> 01:46:33.000 I know, never a championship. 2107 01:46:33.000 --> 01:46:35.800 But like as we've discussed throughout the past few years 2108 01:46:35.840 --> 01:46:40.279 since you've started joining us, consistently, the ability of Frank 2109 01:46:40.319 --> 01:46:44.159 and Scotti to pivot quickly, the ability of Kevin O'Connor 2110 01:46:44.199 --> 01:46:47.119 to pivot quickly, and Dennis Lindsay to pivot quickly were 2111 01:46:47.119 --> 01:46:50.560 their down years sure ties. Last year Quinn's first year, 2112 01:46:51.399 --> 01:46:54.520 you know, a couple of years after John and Carr left, 2113 01:46:54.560 --> 01:46:56.560 when Jerry coached the hell out of a team with 2114 01:46:56.600 --> 01:46:57.199 not a lot of time. 2115 01:46:57.319 --> 01:46:59.920 Yes, there have been lean years, There's never been anything 2116 01:47:00.119 --> 01:47:02.159 like this. It's the first team in fifty years. 2117 01:47:02.039 --> 01:47:05.640 Of Jazz Basketball to lose more than sixty games, and 2118 01:47:05.680 --> 01:47:08.199 it is the first time they have been front facing 2119 01:47:08.319 --> 01:47:12.119 about just not trying at all. So whenever I talk 2120 01:47:12.199 --> 01:47:13.840 to my friends, like, they'll watch you or another, Hey, 2121 01:47:13.880 --> 01:47:16.680 Kiantet a couple of shots and overtime, that's they've got 2122 01:47:16.760 --> 01:47:16.960 to win. 2123 01:47:17.119 --> 01:47:17.720 Yeah, that's great. 2124 01:47:17.760 --> 01:47:18.159 Good. 2125 01:47:18.479 --> 01:47:19.960 I'm sure a win is. 2126 01:47:19.920 --> 01:47:23.319 A breadth of fresh air for competitors who have been 2127 01:47:23.439 --> 01:47:27.119 bred to win and have been having their doors blown 2128 01:47:27.159 --> 01:47:29.000 off every single night. But what I always say to 2129 01:47:29.000 --> 01:47:33.439 them is, I don't know what Keyante's game looks like 2130 01:47:33.560 --> 01:47:35.680 when a team is serious about winning. I don't know 2131 01:47:35.720 --> 01:47:38.800 who Kyle Philipowski is for a team that actually is 2132 01:47:38.840 --> 01:47:41.199 trying to compete in NBA basketball. 2133 01:47:41.479 --> 01:47:42.239 So whether it's. 2134 01:47:42.079 --> 01:47:48.600 Philipowski or Sensiba or Kyante or Cody, Like, what are 2135 01:47:48.600 --> 01:47:51.880 the challenges of analyzing this group to try to understand 2136 01:47:51.960 --> 01:47:55.319 what's real with these young players when they're serious Again. 2137 01:47:55.279 --> 01:47:58.079 Yeah, well that's that's a that's a big mountain to 2138 01:47:58.119 --> 01:48:01.279 climb because you don't know until you get them on the. 2139 01:48:01.239 --> 01:48:02.640 Floor in meaningful game. 2140 01:48:02.840 --> 01:48:06.279 So you know, these are all to me, there's my opinion, 2141 01:48:06.359 --> 01:48:09.000 my perspective, having been involved in it. For a lot 2142 01:48:09.000 --> 01:48:13.079 of years, these guys are just in you know, organized 2143 01:48:13.159 --> 01:48:18.000 scrimmages because again there's I don't know what the accountability 2144 01:48:18.119 --> 01:48:21.560 level is individually with them. I'm sure the coaches talk 2145 01:48:21.640 --> 01:48:23.800 to them about trying to improve their games and improve 2146 01:48:23.880 --> 01:48:27.159 their you know, the things they decision making or shot taking, 2147 01:48:27.279 --> 01:48:32.600 whatever it is, but the organization doesn't really care. 2148 01:48:32.439 --> 01:48:33.560 Whether they're winning or not. 2149 01:48:33.600 --> 01:48:36.800 In fact, that rather than lose because of the whole 2150 01:48:36.880 --> 01:48:39.680 tank you know, approach that they they've taken to this. 2151 01:48:39.880 --> 01:48:40.880 So in that. 2152 01:48:40.920 --> 01:48:44.560 Regard, it's hard for anybody to figure out, you know, 2153 01:48:44.800 --> 01:48:51.079 can Keyante George be a a Lou Williams slash Vinnie 2154 01:48:51.159 --> 01:48:56.479 Johnson slash Jamal Crawford type of guy in a meaningful 2155 01:48:56.560 --> 01:48:59.359 team where he comes off the bench and can get you, 2156 01:48:59.359 --> 01:49:03.159 you know, a eight points in three minutes and be 2157 01:49:03.359 --> 01:49:04.479 kind of a spark plug. 2158 01:49:04.399 --> 01:49:05.520 Guy in games. 2159 01:49:05.560 --> 01:49:08.560 That means something because when you're with these teams that 2160 01:49:08.920 --> 01:49:14.319 are fighting, you know, for playoff spots or fighting for playoff. 2161 01:49:13.920 --> 01:49:15.960 Positioning every game. 2162 01:49:16.079 --> 01:49:18.520 This time of year, we always used to talk about 2163 01:49:18.880 --> 01:49:22.039 games spence the last six, seven, eight games of a 2164 01:49:22.119 --> 01:49:26.000 regular season, unless you were like Oklahoma City this year, 2165 01:49:26.319 --> 01:49:28.960 which is you know, run out and hit from everybody, 2166 01:49:28.960 --> 01:49:30.039 and nobody can see them. 2167 01:49:30.159 --> 01:49:31.479 They're so far ahead of the race. 2168 01:49:31.880 --> 01:49:34.319 But all these other teams the other day I looked 2169 01:49:34.359 --> 01:49:35.960 at it, and I didn't look at it. 2170 01:49:35.880 --> 01:49:38.600 Today, so I don't know what I know. It's almost 2171 01:49:38.600 --> 01:49:38.960 the same. 2172 01:49:39.319 --> 01:49:43.800 But five teams in the West between spots number four 2173 01:49:43.800 --> 01:49:46.680 and eight all had at that At that day, I 2174 01:49:46.720 --> 01:49:50.359 looked at thirty two losses, and the losses we always 2175 01:49:50.359 --> 01:49:53.000 look at this time of year because those are games 2176 01:49:53.039 --> 01:49:56.279 you can to get back. If you're behind a game 2177 01:49:56.319 --> 01:49:58.640 in the win column, you can make that up by 2178 01:49:58.680 --> 01:50:01.039 going out and winning your next game. But if you 2179 01:50:01.199 --> 01:50:04.239 have if you're behind in a lost column, you gotta 2180 01:50:04.359 --> 01:50:07.399 hope you get some help from you know, somebody, you know, 2181 01:50:07.640 --> 01:50:09.760 if the teams are in front of you. But that 2182 01:50:09.520 --> 01:50:12.520 the other day I looked at it, five teams all 2183 01:50:12.560 --> 01:50:15.520 had thirty two losses. So that meant those teams are 2184 01:50:15.640 --> 01:50:18.640 jockeying in the last three or four games of the 2185 01:50:18.640 --> 01:50:22.479 regular season not only for playoff positioning in the top six, 2186 01:50:22.840 --> 01:50:26.239 but also to stay out of the play in situation. 2187 01:50:26.479 --> 01:50:30.920 Right and so because because of that, for those teams, 2188 01:50:31.239 --> 01:50:35.279 the playoffs have already started, right, They started last week, 2189 01:50:35.399 --> 01:50:39.640 because every game they're playing is meaningful, Every game, you know, 2190 01:50:39.880 --> 01:50:43.399 does something to them their team and the standings and 2191 01:50:43.560 --> 01:50:47.079 means something to what's gonna happen to them when playoff 2192 01:50:47.119 --> 01:50:50.079 time starts. The games that the Jazz are playing and 2193 01:50:50.119 --> 01:50:53.399 the minutes the players are getting, how much can it 2194 01:50:53.520 --> 01:50:55.039 transfer to those. 2195 01:50:54.920 --> 01:50:56.680 Kinds of games down the road. 2196 01:50:57.079 --> 01:51:01.479 It's always difficult to say that, but you've gotta have 2197 01:51:01.640 --> 01:51:02.600 some base. 2198 01:51:02.720 --> 01:51:04.119 To start from. 2199 01:51:04.199 --> 01:51:06.000 So if this is the way that the Jazz have 2200 01:51:06.159 --> 01:51:09.119 chosen to go, which obviously it is, then. 2201 01:51:09.000 --> 01:51:11.079 They're gonna throw these young guys out there. 2202 01:51:11.279 --> 01:51:13.680 They're gonna let them trip over themselves, they're gonna let 2203 01:51:13.720 --> 01:51:16.359 them take bad shots, they're gonna let them throw the 2204 01:51:16.399 --> 01:51:19.520 ball away into the third row, you know whatever, whatever, 2205 01:51:19.960 --> 01:51:22.119 And then they're gonna try and coach them up and 2206 01:51:22.239 --> 01:51:24.399 try and get them better during the summer. 2207 01:51:24.439 --> 01:51:27.800 But nothing is going to fill the void. 2208 01:51:28.239 --> 01:51:32.600 Of playing meaningful games until they get to that point. 2209 01:51:33.000 --> 01:51:34.199 And that that's that's the. 2210 01:51:34.199 --> 01:51:38.840 Hard part about judging where the individual talents of these 2211 01:51:39.079 --> 01:51:41.359 uh these players lies. 2212 01:51:41.920 --> 01:51:45.199 Two games left, Okay, see tonight, I don't know exactly 2213 01:51:45.279 --> 01:51:48.239 who's gonna play and who's not. Ok Ces injury report 2214 01:51:48.359 --> 01:51:50.840 right now looks like this. No Jalen Williams, no Case 2215 01:51:50.880 --> 01:51:55.239 and Wallace, no Isaiah Hartenstein, no lout Dort for the 2216 01:51:55.319 --> 01:52:00.000 Jazz uh, no Walker Kessler, no John Collins, Isaiah Colliers 2217 01:52:00.119 --> 01:52:03.760 game time, Elijah hart was kJ Martiner out. I don't 2218 01:52:03.760 --> 01:52:07.760 know if marketing is gonna play. It's just the issue 2219 01:52:07.760 --> 01:52:10.079 talking about this stuff because it's so hard to watch. 2220 01:52:10.520 --> 01:52:11.560 Before we catch a break. 2221 01:52:11.600 --> 01:52:13.600 One more NBA storyline. I wanted to get to with 2222 01:52:13.640 --> 01:52:19.039 you because look, I'm not. I wasn't in Taylor Jenkins 2223 01:52:19.159 --> 01:52:21.520 locker room. I'm not wasn't in Michael Malone's locker room. 2224 01:52:21.600 --> 01:52:25.159 I just I'm stunned. And as you know, Michael Malone 2225 01:52:25.279 --> 01:52:27.680 was an assistant in New York. His father was an 2226 01:52:27.720 --> 01:52:28.600 assistant for Jeff. 2227 01:52:28.640 --> 01:52:32.159 You get to know the family, and yes, old school, 2228 01:52:32.399 --> 01:52:35.079 a little bit of a maybe an abrasive approach. Maybe 2229 01:52:35.119 --> 01:52:38.000 modern day players don't like that. He won a championship 2230 01:52:38.000 --> 01:52:40.119 two years ago. And I know that doesn't matter, asked 2231 01:52:40.119 --> 01:52:44.920 Frank Vogel. Asked Mike Budenholzer. You know we could keep going, 2232 01:52:46.119 --> 01:52:47.960 but I just I don't know. 2233 01:52:48.000 --> 01:52:48.239 Man. 2234 01:52:48.840 --> 01:52:50.920 I'm old enough to remember when you were really good 2235 01:52:50.920 --> 01:52:52.760 at your job, you got to keep it. And now 2236 01:52:52.800 --> 01:52:55.720 we have two really good coach coaches losing their jobs 2237 01:52:56.159 --> 01:52:59.680 for playoff teams days before the playoffs start. 2238 01:52:59.720 --> 01:53:00.800 What do you make well? 2239 01:53:00.840 --> 01:53:04.520 This goes to show you, spense that that it's hard 2240 01:53:04.840 --> 01:53:08.279 to figure out exactly how you would want to build 2241 01:53:08.319 --> 01:53:10.880 something and then be able to sustain it. 2242 01:53:11.600 --> 01:53:12.319 When you look. 2243 01:53:12.199 --> 01:53:16.920 At the championship coaches in the NBA, four of the 2244 01:53:17.000 --> 01:53:22.600 last six NBA championship coaches starting in twenty nineteen are 2245 01:53:22.680 --> 01:53:26.199 no longer with the team that they led to an 2246 01:53:26.319 --> 01:53:27.479 NBA championship. 2247 01:53:27.920 --> 01:53:29.319 They've all gotten let. 2248 01:53:29.159 --> 01:53:33.119 Go by the team within a couple of years of 2249 01:53:33.119 --> 01:53:36.640 winning the championship. So you know, what does that mean? 2250 01:53:36.720 --> 01:53:40.319 I know, you know Michael Malone. I know him some. 2251 01:53:40.720 --> 01:53:42.880 I wouldn't say he's a quote friend of mine, but 2252 01:53:43.279 --> 01:53:46.199 I do know him and we've done a couple of 2253 01:53:46.319 --> 01:53:50.680 NBA camps together overseas in the summertimes. 2254 01:53:51.119 --> 01:53:52.159 Michael's very you. 2255 01:53:52.119 --> 01:53:55.520 Know, knowledgeable obviously those what he's doing winning his coach 2256 01:53:55.520 --> 01:53:59.640 in Denver Nugget history. But he is a he can 2257 01:53:59.720 --> 01:54:02.720 be an abrasive guy. He's a fun guy. He's a 2258 01:54:02.760 --> 01:54:05.359 smart guy, but you know, he has a little bit 2259 01:54:05.399 --> 01:54:08.079 of that New York you know attitude. 2260 01:54:07.560 --> 01:54:10.119 Of you know, hey, you know you you guys. 2261 01:54:09.840 --> 01:54:11.520 If you're not doing it right, I'm gonna come right 2262 01:54:11.560 --> 01:54:14.159 at you, right right in your face and and and 2263 01:54:14.279 --> 01:54:17.239 get after it. And I'm just guessing I don't know, 2264 01:54:17.279 --> 01:54:20.520 because I'm not there that, you know, maybe that was 2265 01:54:20.520 --> 01:54:23.520 starting to wear on players, Maybe that was starting to 2266 01:54:23.560 --> 01:54:24.760 wear on the ownership. 2267 01:54:25.920 --> 01:54:28.119 Maybe you know, they want to give some. 2268 01:54:28.159 --> 01:54:31.840 Kind of a spark to the team before the playoffs. 2269 01:54:31.920 --> 01:54:32.439 I don't know. 2270 01:54:33.079 --> 01:54:38.039 Sometimes those things are short circuited. But hey, in the 2271 01:54:38.119 --> 01:54:40.960 same in the same vein spence, you got to flip 2272 01:54:41.640 --> 01:54:44.840 the card to the other side and recognize that Michael 2273 01:54:44.880 --> 01:54:49.399 Malone in his case, just as an individual supposedly got 2274 01:54:49.439 --> 01:54:52.880 in a contract extension that doesn't start till next year 2275 01:54:53.239 --> 01:54:55.439 where he's making the neighborhood of twelve million dollars a 2276 01:54:55.520 --> 01:54:58.319 year for the next couple of years, and so they 2277 01:54:58.319 --> 01:55:01.159 were willing the team, he was willing to give up 2278 01:55:01.479 --> 01:55:04.199 that kind of money to just send somebody home. Yeah, 2279 01:55:04.279 --> 01:55:07.439 and so if that's the case, if it's anywhere in 2280 01:55:07.439 --> 01:55:10.079 that ballpark, then you have to look at the decision 2281 01:55:10.119 --> 01:55:14.279 being made saying, well, I guess it was really really 2282 01:55:14.319 --> 01:55:18.000 a tough deal and really a lot of problems going 2283 01:55:18.039 --> 01:55:21.479 on that maybe we're not aware of that caused an 2284 01:55:21.479 --> 01:55:25.239 ownership group to make that kind of a decision from 2285 01:55:25.279 --> 01:55:28.720 a financial standpoint that they felt they had to do 2286 01:55:29.720 --> 01:55:32.640 to save this season or not, you know, whatever they 2287 01:55:32.640 --> 01:55:34.520 think they're going to be able to do in the playoffs, 2288 01:55:34.600 --> 01:55:39.199 you know. And the Taylor Jenkins thing, same thing, a 2289 01:55:39.239 --> 01:55:42.720 winning coach, a smart guy, you know they let him go? 2290 01:55:42.960 --> 01:55:45.319 Is it a player thing? You know? You don't really 2291 01:55:45.359 --> 01:55:47.920 know those kind of things when they happened to me. 2292 01:55:48.720 --> 01:55:52.600 More often than not, it's not about the basketball, it's 2293 01:55:52.640 --> 01:55:56.039 not about the x's and o's. More often it's something 2294 01:55:56.119 --> 01:56:01.960 behind closed doors, a personality scuffle, or somebody doesn't like 2295 01:56:02.000 --> 01:56:05.319 what somebody said in the meeting, or something got out 2296 01:56:05.319 --> 01:56:09.760 of hand. Somebody's not not you know, giving space, and 2297 01:56:09.800 --> 01:56:13.359 if they're not relenting to someone else's ideas or direction 2298 01:56:13.600 --> 01:56:16.359 or what have you, and so they becomes a philosophical 2299 01:56:17.000 --> 01:56:20.039 tug of war. And then at some point ownership has to, 2300 01:56:20.399 --> 01:56:22.119 you know, figure out how am I gonna deal with 2301 01:56:22.159 --> 01:56:26.479 this in this business setting, which oftentimes ends up being 2302 01:56:26.520 --> 01:56:29.880 something like this. Now, sometimes the owner goes, okay, no, 2303 01:56:29.960 --> 01:56:32.880 I got the coaches back, and I'm gonna get rid 2304 01:56:32.960 --> 01:56:35.279 of the players if that's the deal, So I'm gonna, 2305 01:56:35.600 --> 01:56:39.319 you know, trade players or whatever. But more often than not, 2306 01:56:39.840 --> 01:56:43.119 it's some kind of personality issue that has entered the 2307 01:56:43.199 --> 01:56:46.720 fray that that the ownership group just feels, you know, 2308 01:56:46.800 --> 01:56:48.199 we can't figure. 2309 01:56:47.880 --> 01:56:50.399 This out, so we got to make some kind of a. 2310 01:56:50.399 --> 01:56:53.960 Move before we catch a break, and we need to 2311 01:56:54.119 --> 01:56:56.079 so we're going to. You just spark something in my 2312 01:56:56.119 --> 01:56:58.239 mind that I don't think I've ever asked you. And 2313 01:56:58.359 --> 01:57:02.319 ultimately it doesn't matter because it's revisionist history. But you 2314 01:57:02.399 --> 01:57:05.199 reference ownership at time siding with a coach and moving. 2315 01:57:05.000 --> 01:57:05.920 On from the players. 2316 01:57:06.840 --> 01:57:10.880 Was there ever any messaging to Jerry Sloan like we'll 2317 01:57:10.880 --> 01:57:12.640 trade him, we'll get rid of him, we want you 2318 01:57:12.720 --> 01:57:14.479 to stay, because they they. 2319 01:57:14.399 --> 01:57:15.880 Ended up trading Darren anyway. 2320 01:57:16.239 --> 01:57:18.880 But you know, the whole Darren Jerry thing cost the 2321 01:57:18.960 --> 01:57:22.439 Jazz their beloved head coach and their franchise player. 2322 01:57:22.479 --> 01:57:23.439 Did anybody tried to. 2323 01:57:23.359 --> 01:57:26.199 Get head and look when Jerry make his Maybe if 2324 01:57:26.279 --> 01:57:27.960 Jerry makes up his mind, he's gonna do his thing. 2325 01:57:28.239 --> 01:57:31.840 But did anybody Kevin or Gale just say look, take 2326 01:57:31.880 --> 01:57:35.159 a beat here. We're gonna trade him if if it's 2327 01:57:35.239 --> 01:57:37.119 this bad, we'll get rid of him because we want 2328 01:57:37.159 --> 01:57:37.960 you to stay well. 2329 01:57:38.000 --> 01:57:41.119 I can tell you that what happened over the years, 2330 01:57:41.119 --> 01:57:43.840 and this was this was you know, not a lot, 2331 01:57:44.159 --> 01:57:46.920 but it happened, you know, a handful of times over 2332 01:57:46.960 --> 01:57:49.399 the years when you were in a rough patch, like 2333 01:57:49.439 --> 01:57:51.960 the Denver Nuggets, you know, had lost four games in 2334 01:57:52.000 --> 01:57:54.319 a row before they won the other night, after the 2335 01:57:54.680 --> 01:57:57.399 after the change they made, you know, the team would 2336 01:57:57.439 --> 01:57:58.199 be in a rough patch. 2337 01:57:58.720 --> 01:58:01.560 You know, Jerry might you know, a bristle at something 2338 01:58:01.840 --> 01:58:02.319 you know one of. 2339 01:58:02.319 --> 01:58:05.039 The players is doing or saying, and they get into 2340 01:58:05.039 --> 01:58:09.439 a little scuffle and a heated argument in a pregame 2341 01:58:09.760 --> 01:58:13.000 meeting or a practice meeting or something like that, and 2342 01:58:13.079 --> 01:58:17.000 Jerry would say to them, hey, listen, we can't get 2343 01:58:17.000 --> 01:58:21.000 this worked out. We will figure it out some other way. 2344 01:58:21.159 --> 01:58:24.279 And the other way is probably not going to include you. 2345 01:58:25.319 --> 01:58:29.840 Because I am gonna be here tomorrow, and the owner 2346 01:58:30.600 --> 01:58:34.439 referencing Larry at that time, the owner has my back, 2347 01:58:34.880 --> 01:58:37.680 and I can tell you that. So if you don't 2348 01:58:37.720 --> 01:58:39.720 want to get on board with what we're trying to 2349 01:58:39.720 --> 01:58:43.319 figure out here, then we'll figure it out. 2350 01:58:43.479 --> 01:58:45.000 But when we figure it out. 2351 01:58:45.000 --> 01:58:48.159 It's probably not going to include you because you're gonna 2352 01:58:48.199 --> 01:58:52.119 be gone, I see. And so that took place, you know, 2353 01:58:52.279 --> 01:58:54.800 a handful of times over the years, you know, just 2354 01:58:54.840 --> 01:58:56.199 so the players understood. 2355 01:58:56.439 --> 01:58:58.960 If they were feeling their oats and they thought, yeah, 2356 01:58:59.000 --> 01:59:00.880 I'm the guy around here here, Yeah. 2357 01:59:00.800 --> 01:59:03.640 Yeah, I run the show here, you know whatever, Jerry 2358 01:59:03.680 --> 01:59:06.760 would quickly go, Okay, we're gonna make sure we all 2359 01:59:06.840 --> 01:59:11.279 understand who runs the show here. Yeah, right, And and 2360 01:59:11.760 --> 01:59:14.439 that's what you need. That's what you need in an organization. 2361 01:59:14.880 --> 01:59:17.680 You need the head coach to be firmly in charge. 2362 01:59:17.960 --> 01:59:21.720 But the head coach has to know that the ownership 2363 01:59:22.000 --> 01:59:24.800 has his back because if it gets to a push 2364 01:59:24.840 --> 01:59:28.159 and shove deal, then he knows, you know, how the 2365 01:59:28.199 --> 01:59:32.000 owner is going to react. And that's that's key if 2366 01:59:32.039 --> 01:59:35.520 you want to have stability in your organization for sure. 2367 01:59:35.680 --> 01:59:39.800 All right, the eighty ninth player playing of the Masters 2368 01:59:39.800 --> 01:59:42.399 Tournament at Augusta, Georgia. We'll give you a leaderboard update 2369 01:59:42.439 --> 01:59:43.880 coming up in a bit, but I will tell you 2370 01:59:43.960 --> 01:59:47.560 that Tony needs a birdie in his final three holes 2371 01:59:47.680 --> 01:59:50.479 to make the cut. Tony's at three over right now, 2372 01:59:50.520 --> 01:59:53.479 he's through fifteen, so three holes left for Tony and 2373 01:59:53.520 --> 01:59:57.079 the cut line is two over. So Tony needs a 2374 01:59:57.079 --> 01:59:58.880 birdie final three holes or else he's not. 2375 01:59:58.840 --> 01:59:59.560 Playing the weekend. 2376 01:59:59.560 --> 02:00:01.399 We'll give you complete update coming up in a bit, 2377 02:00:01.439 --> 02:00:02.880 but we are live on site today. 2378 02:00:02.960 --> 02:00:05.680 You can hear the wind and the truck in the background. 2379 02:00:05.720 --> 02:00:09.159 We are selling steaks Homestead Steaks twenty ribbis for only 2380 02:00:09.239 --> 02:00:13.079 forty dollars. They got a bunch of locations Fashion Place 2381 02:00:13.199 --> 02:00:16.720 Mall and Murray the shops at Southtown and Sandy Provo 2382 02:00:16.880 --> 02:00:19.920 Town Center Mall as well. We are at one four 2383 02:00:20.239 --> 02:00:22.920 five zero South State Street, number. 2384 02:00:22.680 --> 02:00:25.880 Two three two zero. Easiest thing to do is just put. 2385 02:00:25.680 --> 02:00:28.800 That in the GPS, then follow it, look for the 2386 02:00:29.039 --> 02:00:30.960 ESPN seven hundred van, and then come on out and 2387 02:00:31.039 --> 02:00:33.039 check out this great deal at one oh four five 2388 02:00:33.159 --> 02:00:36.479 zero South State Street, number two three two zero here 2389 02:00:36.479 --> 02:00:39.600 in Sandy with our friends at Homestead Steaks twenty ribbys. 2390 02:00:39.239 --> 02:00:40.319 For forty bucks. 2391 02:00:40.800 --> 02:00:43.640 How do you like twenty ribbis for forty dollars? 2392 02:00:43.960 --> 02:00:46.560 How about a box of beef? Baby there we go. 2393 02:00:46.760 --> 02:00:50.680 Come on out and say what's up Homestead Steaks Porter Porter, 2394 02:00:50.760 --> 02:00:53.600 you're rolling out here, you're grabbing twenty Ribbys for forty bucks. 2395 02:00:53.680 --> 02:00:56.720 Yeah, I'm gonna find my way there. If not tonight, 2396 02:00:57.079 --> 02:00:59.560 of course, they they'll be there tomorrow, they'll be there 2397 02:00:59.560 --> 02:01:01.840 a little bit on Sunday. Definitely taking advantage of that 2398 02:01:01.880 --> 02:01:02.239 deal though. 2399 02:01:02.520 --> 02:01:03.039 Gotta love it. 2400 02:01:03.119 --> 02:01:06.960 Twenty ribbis for forty dollars with our friends at Homestead Steaks. 2401 02:01:07.000 --> 02:01:08.680 They're sending me home with a box of beef. So 2402 02:01:08.680 --> 02:01:10.000 I'm excited for that. Wow. 2403 02:01:10.159 --> 02:01:13.359 Crazy half priced boat deals on steak, chicken, pork chops 2404 02:01:13.399 --> 02:01:14.039 and seafood. 2405 02:01:14.119 --> 02:01:15.479 Bolt Family party packs to. 2406 02:01:15.479 --> 02:01:19.199 Fill your freezer with New York Strips, Filets, Mega Ribbis, 2407 02:01:19.279 --> 02:01:24.479 Gourmet smash Burgers plus chicken and seafood. All payments accepted cash, credit, debit, 2408 02:01:25.279 --> 02:01:26.000 and EBT. 2409 02:01:26.279 --> 02:01:30.079 A box of beef out here, Smitty, How. 2410 02:01:30.000 --> 02:01:31.720 Does the guy get in on the action? Where? 2411 02:01:32.079 --> 02:01:33.880 You know, when when the truck pulls out a lot, 2412 02:01:33.920 --> 02:01:36.479 the box of beef falls off the back. 2413 02:01:36.399 --> 02:01:38.319 Of the truck. Does that like straight? Goodfellas? 2414 02:01:38.600 --> 02:01:40.800 Is that stuff that we can get in on somehowway? 2415 02:01:41.079 --> 02:01:43.039 Ask my guy Andrew over there, maybe you'll send you 2416 02:01:43.079 --> 02:01:43.279 home with. 2417 02:01:43.279 --> 02:01:45.680 A box to wait till till after midnight of something. 2418 02:01:45.880 --> 02:01:48.119 So my way of describing where we're at is one 2419 02:01:48.119 --> 02:01:50.920 oh four five zero South State Street, number two three, 2420 02:01:51.039 --> 02:01:51.560 two zero. 2421 02:01:51.600 --> 02:01:53.199 What's your way of describing where we're at? 2422 02:01:53.800 --> 02:01:57.319 So you lost people already? Number two three, You got 2423 02:01:57.399 --> 02:02:00.479 to put it in the chick fifty. 2424 02:02:00.520 --> 02:02:03.000 We have phones, put that address in your GPS. Now 2425 02:02:03.439 --> 02:02:06.520 I'm arguing with Spence off the air. That Spence just 2426 02:02:06.560 --> 02:02:09.479 telling people a cruise down State Street. When you get 2427 02:02:09.520 --> 02:02:11.760 about one hundred and fourth South, you look for the 2428 02:02:11.800 --> 02:02:14.439 Ethan Allen building on the west side of the street. 2429 02:02:14.800 --> 02:02:17.159 Just go behind that boom. You'll see our tent. 2430 02:02:17.800 --> 02:02:20.800 Now you know, it's uh, there's there's not a lot 2431 02:02:20.800 --> 02:02:23.600 of room here, so it's a little tight behind here 2432 02:02:23.640 --> 02:02:26.720 because we're in this we're in this parking lot and 2433 02:02:26.760 --> 02:02:29.840 there's I'm looking around, there's nobody within three miles on 2434 02:02:29.880 --> 02:02:32.800 either side of us. But okay, hopefully you can find 2435 02:02:32.800 --> 02:02:34.600 the tent in that vast parking lot. 2436 02:02:34.720 --> 02:02:37.359 Sure, And I don't want to disparage anybody who's trying 2437 02:02:37.359 --> 02:02:39.560 to make a living in commerce. My whole point of 2438 02:02:39.600 --> 02:02:42.359 contention was, when's the last time anybody made an intentional 2439 02:02:42.359 --> 02:02:43.359 trip to Ethan Allurs. 2440 02:02:43.439 --> 02:02:47.640 Hey see that there's a guy smoking like who's never 2441 02:02:47.680 --> 02:02:50.199 had to go and buy some living room furniture that 2442 02:02:50.319 --> 02:02:51.560 really meant something. 2443 02:02:51.600 --> 02:02:53.840 No, I'm all, I'm all RC Willie Baby. 2444 02:02:53.680 --> 02:02:56.880 No, you're you're you're like the guy the guy's garage 2445 02:02:56.920 --> 02:03:01.359 sale down the end of the corners, putting the bedframe 2446 02:03:01.399 --> 02:03:02.439 out there for five bucks. 2447 02:03:02.560 --> 02:03:04.760 Yeah, that'll work. I tell you that out. 2448 02:03:04.880 --> 02:03:06.880 I'm telling you are Sie Willie rules. None of these 2449 02:03:06.880 --> 02:03:10.239 places are sponsors on the show. So let's I got you, Hey, 2450 02:03:10.359 --> 02:03:11.800 I got it, I got it. 2451 02:03:11.880 --> 02:03:14.920 But this is the Southtown Mall though this area is 2452 02:03:15.039 --> 02:03:17.720 really a high commerce there. There's a lot of stores 2453 02:03:18.159 --> 02:03:21.000 around this whole area, which is I know is a 2454 02:03:21.039 --> 02:03:25.760 big ber you know, my my, my wife Linda, her 2455 02:03:25.880 --> 02:03:30.279 dad had an opportunity, this is going way back to 2456 02:03:30.399 --> 02:03:34.000 buy some land out in this area, okay, when it 2457 02:03:34.079 --> 02:03:38.000 was undeveloped, and and he passed on it at that time. 2458 02:03:38.039 --> 02:03:41.880 It's a family favorite family story. He passed on like, nah, 2459 02:03:42.039 --> 02:03:44.039 nobody goes out there. That's just out in the middle 2460 02:03:44.039 --> 02:03:47.279 of nowhere whatever. Well, the land he passed on buying 2461 02:03:47.399 --> 02:03:51.239 so many years ago is now where the Sandy City 2462 02:03:51.319 --> 02:03:54.640 Hall sits. 2463 02:03:54.760 --> 02:03:58.960 Oh that is rough. That is rough. 2464 02:03:59.000 --> 02:04:01.399 But we've had some nice listeners roll out and take 2465 02:04:01.399 --> 02:04:03.279 advantage of this deal. So if you're looking for a 2466 02:04:03.359 --> 02:04:06.800 cheap way to feed the family with high quality meat, 2467 02:04:06.840 --> 02:04:08.439 this is the way to do it. Twenty ribbis for 2468 02:04:08.439 --> 02:04:11.319 forty dollars. You can take the Smitty route, which is 2469 02:04:11.439 --> 02:04:14.079 go find Ethan Allen then check us out. Or you 2470 02:04:14.119 --> 02:04:16.119 can do what normal people do and put this address 2471 02:04:16.159 --> 02:04:19.840 on your phone. One four five zero South State Street 2472 02:04:19.920 --> 02:04:21.159 number two three two zero. 2473 02:04:21.399 --> 02:04:21.800 There you go. 2474 02:04:21.960 --> 02:04:24.640 Yes, and you two can find us in the parking 2475 02:04:24.680 --> 02:04:27.079 lot and get your own box of beat. 2476 02:04:27.199 --> 02:04:29.800 Yes, sir, yes, sir, all right, Smitty, Alex Jensen made 2477 02:04:29.840 --> 02:04:34.039 a hire today. Uh, and you've been very helpful for 2478 02:04:34.159 --> 02:04:36.680 us throughout this process because you worked with Al for 2479 02:04:36.960 --> 02:04:38.239 nine years with the Jazz. 2480 02:04:38.800 --> 02:04:39.840 And while you were at. 2481 02:04:39.680 --> 02:04:42.439 The Jazz, a man named Martin Schiller was the head 2482 02:04:42.439 --> 02:04:46.640 coach of the Salt Lake City Stars. Like Alex, Martin 2483 02:04:46.760 --> 02:04:48.520 was a G League Coach of the Year D League 2484 02:04:48.600 --> 02:04:49.640 for Alex back in the day. 2485 02:04:49.760 --> 02:04:50.640 G League now. 2486 02:04:51.119 --> 02:04:54.079 International ties all over the place. This feels like a 2487 02:04:54.199 --> 02:04:57.760 very good, exciting hire for the Utah coach and staff. 2488 02:04:57.760 --> 02:04:59.239 Tell us about Martin Shiller. Whatch we know? 2489 02:05:00.279 --> 02:05:04.760 You know has roots in the in the German basketball community. 2490 02:05:05.399 --> 02:05:08.920 He's a member of the Germanna. He has been a 2491 02:05:08.960 --> 02:05:12.199 member of the German national team coaching staff. That's where 2492 02:05:12.199 --> 02:05:15.359 he and Alex met because Alex Jensen has also served 2493 02:05:15.399 --> 02:05:18.359 a number of stints on the German national coaching team 2494 02:05:18.399 --> 02:05:22.359 for their men's basketball program. But from twenty seventeen to 2495 02:05:22.399 --> 02:05:25.720 twenty twenty, for three seasons, Martin was the head coach 2496 02:05:25.840 --> 02:05:29.840 of the Salt Lake City Stars, then COVID Hit and 2497 02:05:29.880 --> 02:05:32.479 then the way the G League was going, you know, 2498 02:05:32.560 --> 02:05:35.760 he went and pursuit a couple of opportunities to coach 2499 02:05:35.800 --> 02:05:38.960 over in Europe. He coached Algeria's Countess for a year, 2500 02:05:39.000 --> 02:05:41.079 which is one of the top EuroLeague. 2501 02:05:40.479 --> 02:05:41.880 Teams in Lithuania. 2502 02:05:42.680 --> 02:05:44.399 And he's been coaching the last couple of years and 2503 02:05:44.479 --> 02:05:47.159 had a stint in Spain was coaching in Germany. 2504 02:05:47.479 --> 02:05:49.680 But he will he's he's two things. 2505 02:05:49.720 --> 02:05:53.640 One a very good basketball tactician. 2506 02:05:54.119 --> 02:05:56.880 He's very organized. He's very. 2507 02:05:58.640 --> 02:06:03.399 Very like how would I say, dents in what works 2508 02:06:03.439 --> 02:06:06.680 in x'es and o's both ends of the floor, very 2509 02:06:07.359 --> 02:06:10.960 exacting with the players to do it the way we're 2510 02:06:10.960 --> 02:06:12.359 trying to teach you to do it. 2511 02:06:12.439 --> 02:06:13.399 So he'll be one of. 2512 02:06:13.359 --> 02:06:16.439 Those guys guys in practice who will really be holding 2513 02:06:17.199 --> 02:06:20.039 a player's feet to the fire to get it the 2514 02:06:20.119 --> 02:06:21.279 right way, which. 2515 02:06:21.399 --> 02:06:23.720 Was a big deal with Rick mcjarrett sure those. 2516 02:06:23.600 --> 02:06:26.399 Years ago, for sure, And so Martin has that skill 2517 02:06:26.560 --> 02:06:29.199 set in his back pocket. And then the other thing 2518 02:06:29.520 --> 02:06:32.560 I believe he would bring is because of all of 2519 02:06:32.600 --> 02:06:36.800 his European ties, he would really have an insight into 2520 02:06:36.840 --> 02:06:41.319 the youth European basketball community when it comes to recruiting 2521 02:06:41.600 --> 02:06:46.680 and getting guys like jegor Demon and you know whoever 2522 02:06:46.720 --> 02:06:50.439 else is coming over. You know the Jacket Tuna's kid 2523 02:06:50.479 --> 02:06:54.319 from Illinois, who's gonna be a top ten pick. Probably 2524 02:06:54.640 --> 02:06:58.119 these kind of young European players who may want to 2525 02:06:58.119 --> 02:07:01.920 come to the NCAA for year or two if they 2526 02:07:01.960 --> 02:07:05.720 think they're NBA level guys and could get some seasoning 2527 02:07:05.800 --> 02:07:09.560 playing at this level. Martin would be a main point 2528 02:07:09.600 --> 02:07:13.359 guy to identify who those guys are and if they 2529 02:07:13.359 --> 02:07:17.000 would be able to fit in the University of Utah 2530 02:07:17.119 --> 02:07:18.399 men's basketball program. 2531 02:07:18.520 --> 02:07:22.439 So what we have now the problem with trying to 2532 02:07:22.479 --> 02:07:25.960 analyze who Utah basketball will be next year is we 2533 02:07:26.039 --> 02:07:28.840 only know Keanu daz is coming back. 2534 02:07:29.079 --> 02:07:31.279 And then the FDU transfer. 2535 02:07:32.439 --> 02:07:34.960 Terrence Brown, I believe is his name, who is a 2536 02:07:35.000 --> 02:07:38.239 twenty plus per night scorer, but in the Northeast Conference. 2537 02:07:38.239 --> 02:07:40.880 I all due respect to my home footprint, shout out 2538 02:07:40.880 --> 02:07:44.840 Central Connecticut, thank you. You know certainly the devils. I'm 2539 02:07:44.840 --> 02:07:47.399 not knocking on the conference. I'm just wondering what a 2540 02:07:47.439 --> 02:07:50.079 twenty point a night guy in the Northeast Conference looks 2541 02:07:50.119 --> 02:07:51.880 like in the Big Twelve. But we only know they 2542 02:07:51.920 --> 02:07:54.199 have two players comittee. So what we do know now? 2543 02:07:54.720 --> 02:07:58.520 Raphael Chile is hired as the lead assistant. Donnie Daniel's son, 2544 02:07:58.640 --> 02:08:02.439 Eric Daniels hired from Utah State Martin Schiller, and then 2545 02:08:02.800 --> 02:08:04.399 Wes Wilcox is the GM. 2546 02:08:04.680 --> 02:08:06.880 So before we move on, what do you make of now? 2547 02:08:07.319 --> 02:08:07.479 This? 2548 02:08:07.680 --> 02:08:12.479 Uh, just overall the staff that's in place as so. 2549 02:08:12.520 --> 02:08:18.359 Eric Daniels, a young coach who has roots here in Utah, 2550 02:08:18.720 --> 02:08:22.239 will will help in the recruiting of the in state kids. 2551 02:08:23.000 --> 02:08:26.039 He's worked at Utah Valley, He's worked at Weaver State, 2552 02:08:26.479 --> 02:08:30.119 He's worked at Utah State, and now now he's at 2553 02:08:30.119 --> 02:08:33.479 the U where his dad served a couple of different stints, 2554 02:08:33.880 --> 02:08:36.920 and so he has the ties to the Utah basketball 2555 02:08:37.239 --> 02:08:40.119 community to try and figure out who the top high 2556 02:08:40.119 --> 02:08:43.079 school kids are here and the kids that he's been 2557 02:08:43.119 --> 02:08:46.159 in touch with for many years in the in the 2558 02:08:46.239 --> 02:08:49.560 various roles he's had at the local colleges, So he'll 2559 02:08:49.560 --> 02:08:52.960 be helpful in that regard in the in the local scene. 2560 02:08:53.159 --> 02:08:56.800 And he's just a good, young, energetic type guy. So 2561 02:08:56.880 --> 02:08:59.840 you're getting guys who have ties to the U program 2562 02:08:59.880 --> 02:09:03.880 but also have the background where they can get in 2563 02:09:03.960 --> 02:09:07.199 the doors to kids that the U may be wanting 2564 02:09:07.239 --> 02:09:09.359 to look at to add to their team. 2565 02:09:09.479 --> 02:09:12.199 Do you like the way Alex is going about his business. 2566 02:09:11.920 --> 02:09:15.279 Well, it seems like he has a dedicated approach. It 2567 02:09:15.319 --> 02:09:19.640 seems like he's getting guys who he's going to feel 2568 02:09:19.680 --> 02:09:23.039 comfortable with that know how, he wants to be able 2569 02:09:23.079 --> 02:09:26.880 to set the program up. So that's the interesting thing 2570 02:09:27.359 --> 02:09:29.880 is that he's not rushing into it. You didn't see 2571 02:09:29.880 --> 02:09:32.399 a thing a week after he's hired, where you know, 2572 02:09:32.479 --> 02:09:35.720 here's here's my coaching staff of seven guys or whatever, 2573 02:09:35.880 --> 02:09:38.159 and all these guys that you know, people have been 2574 02:09:38.199 --> 02:09:41.640 coming at him, I'm sure left and right the moment 2575 02:09:41.720 --> 02:09:44.239 they got out that he was getting the job, and 2576 02:09:44.520 --> 02:09:45.960 you know, he's taking his time. 2577 02:09:46.439 --> 02:09:47.800 He's still finishing. 2578 02:09:47.520 --> 02:09:50.720 Up as an assistant coach with the Dallas Mavericks, and 2579 02:09:50.840 --> 02:09:54.680 he's he understands that this isn't about the short term, 2580 02:09:54.880 --> 02:09:58.399 you know, let's win the press conference on Tuesday kind 2581 02:09:58.439 --> 02:10:01.560 of deal. This is about setting up a group in 2582 02:10:01.680 --> 02:10:05.079 place that's going to make sense for the long haul 2583 02:10:05.560 --> 02:10:09.039 of our program. And these kind of hires he's been making, 2584 02:10:09.800 --> 02:10:12.680 both on the coaching staff and then with Wes Wilcox 2585 02:10:12.800 --> 02:10:15.640 overseeing things from the front office. 2586 02:10:15.359 --> 02:10:17.840 Perspective, you know, make make a lot of sense. 2587 02:10:17.880 --> 02:10:25.039 And you can tell this is an Alex Jenson type approach, regimented, diligent, 2588 02:10:25.960 --> 02:10:28.760 take your time, make sure you know what you're doing, 2589 02:10:29.079 --> 02:10:30.079 and then execute it. 2590 02:10:30.600 --> 02:10:32.159 Are you surprised? Now? 2591 02:10:32.479 --> 02:10:35.319 To your point, Martin Schiller was here as the G 2592 02:10:35.479 --> 02:10:40.079 League coach. Eric Daniels has Utah ties. But the conversation 2593 02:10:40.239 --> 02:10:42.920 immediately and we had some former utes that come on 2594 02:10:42.960 --> 02:10:45.279 the show and like Bak for jobs. But the conversation 2595 02:10:45.359 --> 02:10:49.279 immediately after Alex is higher was okay, Andre Miller's next 2596 02:10:49.359 --> 02:10:51.000 and then. 2597 02:10:50.279 --> 02:10:53.000 Excut player here And you are you surprised that we 2598 02:10:53.039 --> 02:10:53.840 haven't seen any of that? 2599 02:10:54.079 --> 02:10:55.439 No, No, I'm not surprised. 2600 02:10:55.840 --> 02:10:58.439 You know those are just you know, fans who are 2601 02:10:58.479 --> 02:11:01.439 you know, flashing back to and thirty years ago, and 2602 02:11:01.560 --> 02:11:05.119 you know, just want to live in the past. You know, 2603 02:11:05.199 --> 02:11:09.119 there was a when when we first started the D 2604 02:11:09.279 --> 02:11:12.199 League at that time developmental league for the NBA down 2605 02:11:12.239 --> 02:11:19.279 in Orum, when we started the Utah Flash, the. 2606 02:11:18.760 --> 02:11:21.800 Owner Bran Anderson, who was down there at the time. 2607 02:11:22.720 --> 02:11:26.000 You know, no, and Brandon was really the predecessor to 2608 02:11:26.199 --> 02:11:29.800 Ryan Smith. He was the original, if you will, local 2609 02:11:29.960 --> 02:11:31.600 version of Ryan Smith. 2610 02:11:31.840 --> 02:11:33.840 He wanted to own an NBA team. 2611 02:11:34.279 --> 02:11:37.079 He had the resources at that time as a twenty 2612 02:11:37.159 --> 02:11:38.199 nine year old. 2613 02:11:38.399 --> 02:11:41.279 To do so. Called the NBA. 2614 02:11:42.039 --> 02:11:44.600 Tried to find out, Hey could I buy a team? 2615 02:11:44.640 --> 02:11:48.000 That found out it doesn't work like that. They they 2616 02:11:48.159 --> 02:11:51.159 moved him on to the guy who running the D 2617 02:11:51.239 --> 02:11:53.560 League says, you know, we could talk about a potential 2618 02:11:53.920 --> 02:11:57.199 expansion team there, which ended up happening with the Utah 2619 02:11:57.319 --> 02:12:00.760 Flash that was in arm for three years. Brant right 2620 02:12:00.760 --> 02:12:03.680 out of the gate had the same kind of mindset 2621 02:12:03.720 --> 02:12:08.159 where he was so blue with BYU that he everybody 2622 02:12:08.199 --> 02:12:12.359 he mentioned in terms of the hiring and startup process 2623 02:12:12.640 --> 02:12:15.680 on the basketball side, we're all by you guys. Ye hey, 2624 02:12:15.760 --> 02:12:19.520 let's get let's get I think we should hire Danny Ainge. 2625 02:12:19.800 --> 02:12:22.319 Danny Ainge was the head of the Boston Celtics at 2626 02:12:22.359 --> 02:12:22.680 the time. 2627 02:12:22.840 --> 02:12:26.000 Okay, let's get Danny Ainge, and then let's get Fred Roberts, 2628 02:12:26.119 --> 02:12:28.600 Let's get Devin Durant and then we can get Yeah. No, 2629 02:12:28.760 --> 02:12:31.880 I mean he threw out every BYU basketball guy from 2630 02:12:31.920 --> 02:12:34.720 the eighties and we had to kind of talk him 2631 02:12:34.760 --> 02:12:35.279 off the ledge. 2632 02:12:35.279 --> 02:12:37.720 A little bit of brand doesn't quite work like that. 2633 02:12:37.880 --> 02:12:39.960 You know, you need guys who know what they're doing 2634 02:12:40.000 --> 02:12:42.079 in their respective roles and whatnot. 2635 02:12:42.079 --> 02:12:44.239 And look, when you see what Alex is doing. 2636 02:12:44.760 --> 02:12:48.159 You got Eric Daniels, who has his footprint all over 2637 02:12:48.479 --> 02:12:51.399 and embedded in the Utah High school scene. You got 2638 02:12:51.520 --> 02:12:55.359 Raphael Chilius, who knows the national scene, has been doing 2639 02:12:55.399 --> 02:12:58.279 that for a long time. And you've got Martin Schiller, 2640 02:12:58.479 --> 02:13:01.439 who knows the European scene. So you can see how 2641 02:13:01.720 --> 02:13:05.439 these pieces to the puzzle are starting to fit and 2642 02:13:05.880 --> 02:13:08.840 get together. And I'm sure that's all by design of 2643 02:13:08.920 --> 02:13:11.600 Alex to figure out where are the holes that we 2644 02:13:11.640 --> 02:13:13.760 need to fill and how we're going to go about 2645 02:13:13.800 --> 02:13:14.199 doing it. 2646 02:13:14.399 --> 02:13:16.720 And you have Wes Willcox as the general manager. 2647 02:13:16.760 --> 02:13:20.239 And also news broke today that Rico Sylvester Junior has 2648 02:13:20.279 --> 02:13:23.880 been named the director of Operations and player personnel for 2649 02:13:24.000 --> 02:13:27.520 the running US. All right, Spindy, before we catch a 2650 02:13:27.520 --> 02:13:30.640 break and I set you loose. You reference Martin's ties 2651 02:13:30.800 --> 02:13:35.680 in Europe, and I just wonder what sort of angle 2652 02:13:36.239 --> 02:13:38.800 that Alex and the coaching staff will have dad talent 2653 02:13:38.960 --> 02:13:41.720 if they're not given the same resource that some of 2654 02:13:41.760 --> 02:13:44.840 the other schools are given, namely a school that's about 2655 02:13:44.840 --> 02:13:47.319 thirty five miles south of US right now in Brigham Young. 2656 02:13:47.399 --> 02:13:49.000 Jeff Goodman, who's. 2657 02:13:48.840 --> 02:13:51.760 Kind of a college basketball newsbreaker and a very plugged 2658 02:13:51.760 --> 02:13:55.760 in college basketball journalist, report yesterday that Rob Wright, a 2659 02:13:55.840 --> 02:13:58.760 really talented freshman point guard from Baylor who had a 2660 02:13:58.800 --> 02:14:01.800 really good game in this year for the Baylor Bears, 2661 02:14:02.239 --> 02:14:05.199 had signed a one million dollar deal to stay at Baylor, 2662 02:14:05.920 --> 02:14:10.680 but he has decided to remove himself from that deal 2663 02:14:10.800 --> 02:14:13.520 and sign a deal with BYU that, according to Jeff Goodman, 2664 02:14:13.520 --> 02:14:16.640 has worth three million dollars next year to play for 2665 02:14:16.760 --> 02:14:20.199 Kevin Young. Whenever I talk about this stuff, I know 2666 02:14:20.279 --> 02:14:22.880 we've got to be careful because BYU is a private institution. 2667 02:14:23.279 --> 02:14:27.319 There's no way of actually grabbing access to their records. 2668 02:14:27.640 --> 02:14:29.439 So I know what I've been told that they're paying 2669 02:14:29.479 --> 02:14:32.119 Kevin Young. But if you go off the reporting of 2670 02:14:32.159 --> 02:14:35.319 college basketball reporters that dig into this stuff, A J. 2671 02:14:35.520 --> 02:14:38.279 Debants is seven million dollars for five months of basketball. 2672 02:14:38.399 --> 02:14:42.079 Rob Wright three million dollars to play for BYU. We 2673 02:14:42.159 --> 02:14:45.159 know they paid Yegor seven figures. They paid kenon Catching 2674 02:14:45.279 --> 02:14:47.680 seven figures. Canon has transferred, yegor. 2675 02:14:47.439 --> 02:14:48.319 Or is going to the NBA. 2676 02:14:48.800 --> 02:14:50.920 They're trying to get Richie Saunders back with a seven 2677 02:14:50.960 --> 02:14:55.720 figure deal offer. There's a recruit in the transfer portal 2678 02:14:55.760 --> 02:14:59.079 named Darien Williams who played for Texas Tech last year that, 2679 02:14:59.159 --> 02:15:02.680 according to Jeff Goodman, is now looking at BYU for 2680 02:15:02.760 --> 02:15:06.199 a seven figure offer. BYU is going to market and 2681 02:15:06.199 --> 02:15:08.079 they're out bitting other teams for talent. 2682 02:15:08.159 --> 02:15:09.119 That's the name of the game. 2683 02:15:09.520 --> 02:15:12.000 If you just do simple math, that's about fifteen million 2684 02:15:12.039 --> 02:15:13.560 dollars for five or six players. 2685 02:15:14.239 --> 02:15:17.239 So I wonder what you make if BYU opening up, opening. 2686 02:15:17.079 --> 02:15:21.119 Up the pocketbooks to go to market to outdid other 2687 02:15:21.279 --> 02:15:24.920 schools for players, which is what they're doing. And what 2688 02:15:24.960 --> 02:15:26.840 sort of pressure you think this brings Alex in the 2689 02:15:26.880 --> 02:15:27.600 inversity of Utah. 2690 02:15:28.600 --> 02:15:30.800 Well, I mean the pressure is always going to be 2691 02:15:30.800 --> 02:15:33.760 there to win and to produce. So that's that's that 2692 02:15:33.760 --> 02:15:37.560 that never goes away. How BYU is doing it? BYU, 2693 02:15:37.640 --> 02:15:39.920 as far as I know, they're playing by the rules. 2694 02:15:39.960 --> 02:15:41.399 And that's what everybody does. 2695 02:15:41.880 --> 02:15:45.560 That's what Kentucky's doing, That's what Kansas is doing, That's 2696 02:15:45.560 --> 02:15:48.119 what Duke is doing, you know, et cetera, et cetera. 2697 02:15:48.119 --> 02:15:49.399 And they want to be one of. 2698 02:15:49.359 --> 02:15:53.000 Those guys eventually, So this is how they're doing it. 2699 02:15:53.079 --> 02:15:57.760 So that's until those rules change, Spence, until the NCAA 2700 02:15:58.039 --> 02:16:00.560 puts a cap on this stuff and right relates it. 2701 02:16:00.680 --> 02:16:03.640 More So, you're talking about, you know, the kid from 2702 02:16:03.680 --> 02:16:06.760 Baylor that he had signed the deal, you know, and 2703 02:16:06.760 --> 02:16:08.560 and I don't know what the wording is. I don't 2704 02:16:08.600 --> 02:16:11.960 know how those guys send that information out, but I 2705 02:16:12.000 --> 02:16:16.439 don't know what the phrase he signed the deal. Uh 2706 02:16:16.520 --> 02:16:18.880 you know, in this case with Baylor, what that actually means, 2707 02:16:18.880 --> 02:16:22.079 because I don't know what you sign And then you go, oh, 2708 02:16:22.119 --> 02:16:24.960 you know what, Hey, by the way, I changed my mind, Uh, 2709 02:16:25.079 --> 02:16:26.640 you just throw it out of way in the garbage. 2710 02:16:26.640 --> 02:16:28.840 I'm I'm doing something else. I mean, I don't know 2711 02:16:29.039 --> 02:16:30.880 what those things are right, right, but but I think 2712 02:16:30.880 --> 02:16:35.399 the way it works currently with nil it's such a 2713 02:16:35.440 --> 02:16:40.680 loose cannon, and there's so many open areas where schools 2714 02:16:40.680 --> 02:16:44.040 can arrange for things and stuff that that's why, you know, 2715 02:16:44.159 --> 02:16:47.600 even the people in the industry refer to it more 2716 02:16:47.639 --> 02:16:50.239 at this moment in time as the wild wild West, 2717 02:16:50.719 --> 02:16:53.639 and everybody's just trying to outbid the next guy, which 2718 02:16:53.680 --> 02:16:58.120 is which which I which I find very distasteful, you know, 2719 02:16:58.239 --> 02:17:00.360 for anybody who gets involved in that. I don't know 2720 02:17:00.360 --> 02:17:04.120 if you saw right after they lost in the NCAA tournament, 2721 02:17:04.399 --> 02:17:09.040 uh Scotti, Layden's old school, uh Saint Francis and Pennsylvania 2722 02:17:09.360 --> 02:17:11.959 decide they're getting out of Division one athletics and moving 2723 02:17:12.000 --> 02:17:14.799 to Division III because they just don't think it's the 2724 02:17:14.879 --> 02:17:18.760 right thing to do relative to what the mission of 2725 02:17:18.799 --> 02:17:23.159 the university is. I'm surprised there aren't more schools that 2726 02:17:23.280 --> 02:17:25.959 are saying that and saying, wait a minute, what are 2727 02:17:26.000 --> 02:17:29.360 we really doing here? What what is really going on 2728 02:17:29.479 --> 02:17:33.239 in most places at the current time is that schools 2729 02:17:33.280 --> 02:17:36.559 are selling out to you know, to the almighty dollar 2730 02:17:36.959 --> 02:17:40.440 and trying to sell more basketball tickets and more buckets 2731 02:17:40.440 --> 02:17:43.079 of popcorn and all that kind of stuff to make 2732 02:17:43.159 --> 02:17:46.879 money for the school. They're gonna tell you it's promoting 2733 02:17:47.319 --> 02:17:50.799 the school, you know in a pr sense, and by 2734 02:17:50.840 --> 02:17:53.520 doing so is going to up their admissions and all. 2735 02:17:53.719 --> 02:17:54.479 And there's a lot of. 2736 02:17:54.440 --> 02:17:59.120 Reports that that that argue against that really, you know, 2737 02:17:59.200 --> 02:18:01.319 being the outcome of those things. 2738 02:18:01.520 --> 02:18:04.239 But that's what they're gonna argue. But you know, you can't. 2739 02:18:04.799 --> 02:18:08.840 You can't tell me that you know, a school's academic 2740 02:18:08.920 --> 02:18:12.280 reputation and what they're trying to do, you know, as 2741 02:18:12.319 --> 02:18:17.120 an institution to educate young people falls in the hands 2742 02:18:17.360 --> 02:18:21.719 of the athletic department and whether they get Ajdbanza to 2743 02:18:21.799 --> 02:18:24.959 come to their school, and I just don't buy that. 2744 02:18:25.000 --> 02:18:29.280 But having said that, everybody's doing it. All those are 2745 02:18:29.319 --> 02:18:30.319 the rules at the moment. 2746 02:18:30.559 --> 02:18:34.159 BYU has just decided to getting in with that full bore, 2747 02:18:34.600 --> 02:18:35.879 which is good for them. 2748 02:18:36.399 --> 02:18:37.840 Utah's gonna play catch up. 2749 02:18:38.120 --> 02:18:40.760 They're gonna try and do the same thing until this 2750 02:18:40.799 --> 02:18:43.600 whole thing gets regulated, which I guess we'll see some 2751 02:18:43.760 --> 02:18:48.040 of coming down shortly from the government about the NCAA 2752 02:18:48.120 --> 02:18:50.479 payoff and all that stuff, and maybe there'll be more 2753 02:18:50.559 --> 02:18:52.280 rules about that coming this summer. 2754 02:18:52.399 --> 02:18:54.280 Before I say you lose, because I promise you I 2755 02:18:54.399 --> 02:18:57.680 do this masters going on right now and by the way, 2756 02:18:57.760 --> 02:19:02.040 Tony final needs a burn on either seventeen or eighteen. 2757 02:19:02.079 --> 02:19:05.120 He parted sixteen. He's one stroke off the cut line. 2758 02:19:05.280 --> 02:19:07.920 But you wanted to share some things about your master's experience. 2759 02:19:07.920 --> 02:19:10.200 And then we've got a cool event coming up at 2760 02:19:10.239 --> 02:19:11.840 Black Black at Black Desert. 2761 02:19:11.879 --> 02:19:15.360 Oh yeah, I was just gonna throw out that my 2762 02:19:15.440 --> 02:19:17.920 wife Linda and I had been privileged to be able 2763 02:19:17.920 --> 02:19:21.040 to get down and volunteer and work for the Black 2764 02:19:21.079 --> 02:19:24.479 Desert Championship last fall for the PGA Tour, and we're 2765 02:19:24.520 --> 02:19:26.840 gonna do the same thing again at the end of 2766 02:19:26.879 --> 02:19:30.479 this month for the LPGA, which will be down at 2767 02:19:30.520 --> 02:19:34.040 the Black Desert Course down there in Saint George and Ivans, Utah. 2768 02:19:34.079 --> 02:19:36.719 And I know that they're they're currently trying to get 2769 02:19:37.719 --> 02:19:40.120 more volunteers to come down. A lot of people aren't 2770 02:19:40.120 --> 02:19:45.440 aware that those opportunities exist. So if anybody's interested, you know, 2771 02:19:45.520 --> 02:19:47.719 in going down to the Saint George at the end 2772 02:19:47.760 --> 02:19:51.719 of the month and participating as volunteers for the for 2773 02:19:51.760 --> 02:19:55.040 the Black Desert the LPGA tournament down there, you can 2774 02:19:55.200 --> 02:19:58.360 go on the Black Desert Golf Course website and will 2775 02:19:58.399 --> 02:20:00.559 direct you to how to do a voluntar tier thing 2776 02:20:00.600 --> 02:20:03.479 and and uh so that you know, that's a great 2777 02:20:03.520 --> 02:20:06.399 opportunity to get involved in your community. 2778 02:20:05.959 --> 02:20:07.559 And also to get involved in golf. 2779 02:20:07.600 --> 02:20:10.239 And I was just gonna mention with the Masters had 2780 02:20:10.239 --> 02:20:13.680 the opportunity to go in twenty eleven, what a great 2781 02:20:13.799 --> 02:20:17.200 thing that was. And anybody whoever has a chance to 2782 02:20:17.319 --> 02:20:20.440 go to Augusta, Georgia for this week of golf, it 2783 02:20:20.520 --> 02:20:21.559 is a is a. 2784 02:20:21.440 --> 02:20:24.040 Lifetime, once in a lifetime. 2785 02:20:23.639 --> 02:20:27.879 Experience to witness it firsthand and see how they do 2786 02:20:28.000 --> 02:20:32.360 things and and on the highest level possible. It's just 2787 02:20:32.399 --> 02:20:36.360 an experience that that you never forget. And anybody I've 2788 02:20:36.399 --> 02:20:38.719 ever talked to Spence over the years who has had 2789 02:20:38.760 --> 02:20:42.040 the chance to go, you know, feel the exact same way. 2790 02:20:42.120 --> 02:20:43.520 I've never heard anyone say. 2791 02:20:43.319 --> 02:20:46.200 Oh it was overblown, Oh that was you know that 2792 02:20:46.680 --> 02:20:48.079 it's not what they made it up to. 2793 02:20:48.600 --> 02:20:50.319 It's what what they make it up to be. 2794 02:20:50.719 --> 02:20:54.040 And more so so, you know, people watching this weekend 2795 02:20:54.440 --> 02:20:56.840 sit back and watch a tournament. 2796 02:20:56.760 --> 02:20:59.639 You know at one of the most beautiful. 2797 02:20:59.159 --> 02:21:01.520 Golf courses, or some of us have to do four 2798 02:21:01.520 --> 02:21:04.319 hours of radio and sell steak see that bitty see. 2799 02:21:04.079 --> 02:21:07.879 That you spend See again, we related to the NCAA stuff. 2800 02:21:07.879 --> 02:21:08.239 Spence. 2801 02:21:08.559 --> 02:21:11.079 You're all in on the box of beaf I am 2802 02:21:11.159 --> 02:21:13.920 and however it comes to you, that's that's what we're doing. 2803 02:21:14.040 --> 02:21:16.959 Twenty ribs for forty bucks. Come out and say Hi, Spinny, 2804 02:21:16.959 --> 02:21:17.559 great to see. 2805 02:21:17.520 --> 02:21:20.719 Hey, my central Connecticut. Math if I'm not, if I'm 2806 02:21:20.760 --> 02:21:23.319 not a mistaken, tells me that's two dollars a steak. 2807 02:21:24.200 --> 02:21:27.239 Looks like a nice little weekend, maybe a little chillier 2808 02:21:27.280 --> 02:21:29.959 than you would prefer or maybe I'll just speak for myself, 2809 02:21:30.040 --> 02:21:31.760 because it's eighty degrees today and I wish it was 2810 02:21:31.799 --> 02:21:32.840 eighty degrees every day. 2811 02:21:33.159 --> 02:21:35.280 Saturday is pretty good. Sunday about fifty seven. 2812 02:21:35.360 --> 02:21:37.479 It's gonna be a little chilly on Sunday and then 2813 02:21:38.159 --> 02:21:39.879 warming up until next week. 2814 02:21:40.559 --> 02:21:43.600 So happy weekend to you. Hope you have something fun planned. 2815 02:21:43.600 --> 02:21:46.760 Maybe little golf, little hiking, little biking, get outside. It's 2816 02:21:47.079 --> 02:21:49.159 one of the best parts of living in this beautiful state. 2817 02:21:49.239 --> 02:21:51.600 Before we say good night, time for our you went 2818 02:21:51.639 --> 02:21:56.200 to golf Master's update five Utah locations at Worldwide Golf 2819 02:21:56.200 --> 02:21:59.600 Shops dot com for the latest time. Tylerstprov one x 2820 02:22:00.200 --> 02:22:03.159 ping drivers Taylor made Qi thirty five woods in the 2821 02:22:03.159 --> 02:22:06.639 Callaway Ai ten Times Smart Club. It's the eighty ninth 2822 02:22:06.680 --> 02:22:10.120 plane of the Masters Tournament at Augusta National Golf Club 2823 02:22:10.200 --> 02:22:13.520 in Augusta, Georgia, where conditions were really, really nice today. 2824 02:22:14.280 --> 02:22:16.840 Justin Rose grinding his way to a two round lead. 2825 02:22:16.879 --> 02:22:20.680 He's eight under par. Bryceon Deshambeau, the defending US champions 2826 02:22:20.760 --> 02:22:23.440 seven under part Roy McElroy, six hunderd par, as is 2827 02:22:23.479 --> 02:22:27.760 Cory Conners, Matt McCarty, Shane Lowry, Terrell Hatton, Scottie Scheffler, 2828 02:22:27.840 --> 02:22:30.879 five under par, Victor Hoveland, Jason Day at. 2829 02:22:30.760 --> 02:22:31.479 Four under par. 2830 02:22:31.760 --> 02:22:34.399 Your winner will come from the names that I just listed. 2831 02:22:35.440 --> 02:22:37.920 The one exception I'll give you is Ludvig o'berg, who 2832 02:22:37.920 --> 02:22:40.040 struggled a bit today with a seventy three, but he's 2833 02:22:40.040 --> 02:22:42.159 at three under and that kid has so much game. 2834 02:22:42.200 --> 02:22:44.719 I wouldn't be stunned to see him have something to 2835 02:22:44.760 --> 02:22:45.399 say about it. 2836 02:22:46.479 --> 02:22:47.000 So there you go. 2837 02:22:47.120 --> 02:22:50.360 Jazz in Action tonight taking on the Oklahoma City Thunder 2838 02:22:50.600 --> 02:22:52.920 No idea who's gonna play? Reminder it is a seven 2839 02:22:52.920 --> 02:22:54.639 to thirty tip. It's a little bit later than that 2840 02:22:54.719 --> 02:22:58.280 usual seven o'clock tip. It will be the final game 2841 02:22:58.360 --> 02:23:01.879 where Dan Roberts will be the PA voice of the 2842 02:23:02.000 --> 02:23:05.120 Utah Jazz Alex Jensen made a couple of hires today. 2843 02:23:06.239 --> 02:23:09.280 Martin Schiller is going to be an assistant coach for AJ. 2844 02:23:09.520 --> 02:23:11.479 He is a guy that has a lot of experience. 2845 02:23:11.520 --> 02:23:13.920 He was the G League Coach of the Stars and 2846 02:23:13.959 --> 02:23:15.719 he was the g Lead Coach of the Year once. 2847 02:23:15.600 --> 02:23:17.239 Upon a time. So there you go. 2848 02:23:17.360 --> 02:23:20.319 Rob Wright has transferred a brief to BYU. According to 2849 02:23:20.360 --> 02:23:23.079 Jeff Goodman, it's gonna cost BYU three million dollars. 2850 02:23:23.799 --> 02:23:23.920 Uh. 2851 02:23:24.079 --> 02:23:24.559 So there you go. 2852 02:23:24.719 --> 02:23:28.280 RSL back in action tomorrow, taking on San Jose. Before 2853 02:23:28.280 --> 02:23:29.680 we say, and I want to tell you about what 2854 02:23:29.680 --> 02:23:32.360 we're doing out here, which is where we're at at 2855 02:23:32.399 --> 02:23:35.799 one O four five zero South State Street, number two 2856 02:23:35.840 --> 02:23:38.200 three two zero. It is a vacant parking lot with 2857 02:23:38.239 --> 02:23:41.920 a truck full of meat. That's right, Homestead steaks twenty 2858 02:23:42.000 --> 02:23:45.440 ribbys for forty dollars. It's their weekend meat sale and 2859 02:23:45.559 --> 02:23:48.319 they also have in addition to that, crazy half price 2860 02:23:48.399 --> 02:23:51.040 bolk deals on steak, chicken, pork, chops, and seafood. 2861 02:23:51.520 --> 02:23:52.920 Check out their party packs. 2862 02:23:52.719 --> 02:23:55.520 To fill your freezer with New York Strips, filets, Mega Ribbis, 2863 02:23:55.559 --> 02:23:58.920 Gourmet smash burgers plus chicken and seafood. 2864 02:23:58.959 --> 02:24:01.319 All payments accepted cash, credit, debit. 2865 02:24:01.200 --> 02:24:06.959 N e BT, Porter Larson two rounds down with the 2866 02:24:07.040 --> 02:24:08.719 Major Championship. 2867 02:24:09.079 --> 02:24:11.840 Of course, the masters who you got on Monday? Who 2868 02:24:11.840 --> 02:24:12.920 are gonna be? Who are gonna be? 2869 02:24:13.000 --> 02:24:13.639 Who are gonna be? 2870 02:24:13.680 --> 02:24:15.479 Who are we gonna be talking about on Monday? That 2871 02:24:15.559 --> 02:24:16.159 won this tournament? 2872 02:24:16.200 --> 02:24:16.399 Yeah? 2873 02:24:16.399 --> 02:24:20.159 Well, as you said, Spence, Uh, the name is likely 2874 02:24:20.360 --> 02:24:25.120 to come from that group of leaders that you just mentioned. 2875 02:24:25.120 --> 02:24:28.959 Of course, our guy Tony Fenale Uh. Struggling down the stretch. 2876 02:24:28.959 --> 02:24:32.520 He had three bogies on the back nine, a lot 2877 02:24:32.600 --> 02:24:34.959 of them on the the putter as well. So U 2878 02:24:35.079 --> 02:24:36.760 but I'm going to see our guy Tony final drop 2879 02:24:36.879 --> 02:24:41.559 like that. But the winner, Spence Man, I really like 2880 02:24:41.719 --> 02:24:44.760 the way that that Justin Rose is playing golf. Obviously, 2881 02:24:45.079 --> 02:24:49.159 Roy McElroy, with that round he had today, you have 2882 02:24:49.280 --> 02:24:52.399 to keep him at top of mind over the weekend. 2883 02:24:52.760 --> 02:24:54.760 You have that number one player in the world though 2884 02:24:54.920 --> 02:25:00.520 Spence sitting three shots back and Scotty seems to kind 2885 02:25:00.520 --> 02:25:04.479 of just be filling the course out this year so far. 2886 02:25:04.840 --> 02:25:08.760 I think if especially if the conditions are wet, if 2887 02:25:08.799 --> 02:25:13.440 the greens are soft, I think Scottie Scheffler is the 2888 02:25:13.440 --> 02:25:16.079 guy you look at for a low, low wet weekend. 2889 02:25:16.120 --> 02:25:19.079 But again Justin Rose, Bryce and to Shambeau, those guys 2890 02:25:19.120 --> 02:25:22.239 already have a couple of shots up on him going 2891 02:25:22.479 --> 02:25:23.719 into round three. 2892 02:25:24.239 --> 02:25:26.120 There you go, so stay tuned. 2893 02:25:26.159 --> 02:25:29.639 We'll let you, of course, know the take takeaways from 2894 02:25:29.680 --> 02:25:32.239 Augusta National and let you know who's gonna win the tournament. 2895 02:25:32.280 --> 02:25:36.319 We'll cover it on a Monday Drive. But porter before. 2896 02:25:36.079 --> 02:25:37.760 We get out of here, get our weekend started out 2897 02:25:37.799 --> 02:25:40.319 what comes our way on a Monday edition of the program. 2898 02:25:40.479 --> 02:25:42.920 As you said, Spence, we will react to the masters 2899 02:25:42.959 --> 02:25:45.440 the first hour of the show. Rex Hoggard, who was 2900 02:25:45.479 --> 02:25:47.920 going to join us today but is live in Augusta, 2901 02:25:48.600 --> 02:25:50.639 was dealing with some stuff on the course when we 2902 02:25:50.399 --> 02:25:52.760 were trying him earlier. He's going to join the show 2903 02:25:52.799 --> 02:25:56.000 on Monday, as will our old friend Cam Rogers. Of 2904 02:25:56.040 --> 02:25:58.799 course you mentioned it, Spence. The final home game of 2905 02:25:58.840 --> 02:26:01.520 the season for the Utah JA tonight. They'll wrap up 2906 02:26:01.600 --> 02:26:04.520 over the weekend and then on Monday, I'll be down 2907 02:26:04.559 --> 02:26:08.559 at Designs Basketball Facility wrapping things up with Will. 2908 02:26:08.360 --> 02:26:10.079 Hardy and Justin Xanix. 2909 02:26:10.159 --> 02:26:13.239 We'll have some sound from then. Sarah Todd will stop 2910 02:26:13.280 --> 02:26:18.000 by the program post NBA season, as will a standout 2911 02:26:18.079 --> 02:26:20.879 from the weekend with Real Salt Lake. Of course they 2912 02:26:21.319 --> 02:26:24.760 are in action against Nashville on Saturday. 2913 02:26:24.959 --> 02:26:25.760 All right, there you go. 2914 02:26:25.879 --> 02:26:28.479 That'll do it for us on this Friday show special. 2915 02:26:28.520 --> 02:26:30.639 Thank you to our friends out here who are hooking 2916 02:26:30.639 --> 02:26:33.079 you up with great steaks, our friends at Homestead Steaks 2917 02:26:33.079 --> 02:26:34.639 twenty rabbis for forty dollars. 2918 02:26:34.719 --> 02:26:37.559 It is their weekend Meet Deal special. 2919 02:26:37.600 --> 02:26:40.399 Thank you today to Howard Beck, to Christopher Camronnie, to 2920 02:26:40.559 --> 02:26:43.120 Richard Smith, and to Paul Pugmyer for the sound you 2921 02:26:43.159 --> 02:26:46.040 made miss from the show website ESPN seven hundred Sports 2922 02:26:46.040 --> 02:26:48.559 dot com, download our mobile app. 2923 02:26:48.360 --> 02:26:49.079 And take us on the go. 2924 02:26:49.159 --> 02:26:51.760 The ESPN seven hundred app is available for free in 2925 02:26:51.760 --> 02:26:52.360 the App Store, in. 2926 02:26:52.360 --> 02:26:53.159 The Google play Store. 2927 02:26:53.159 --> 02:26:55.479 And then for what we do in our space, our 2928 02:26:55.520 --> 02:26:58.200 podcast page is the way for you to go consume 2929 02:26:58.239 --> 02:27:00.799 whatever part of our show you want on your time. 2930 02:27:00.879 --> 02:27:02.559 And it's called the Drive with Spence check its and 2931 02:27:02.559 --> 02:27:06.120 that's available wherever you get your show. 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