WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.280 --> 00:00:03.279 What's up everyone, and welcome to another episode of the 2 00:00:03.279 --> 00:00:06.879 Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're going to get right 3 00:00:06.919 --> 00:00:10.919 back to the Sarah Kelln transcript from her meeting with 4 00:00:11.039 --> 00:00:16.079 Congress miss An. Sorry, thank you so much for being here. 5 00:00:16.320 --> 00:00:20.160 Did you ever hear about Epstein meeting with any prominent individuals? 6 00:00:20.679 --> 00:00:24.160 Sarah Kelln? Yes, and sorry? Can you name some of 7 00:00:24.160 --> 00:00:30.320 those individuals? Kellen, Bill Clinton, Prince Andrew, Sarah Ferguson, Elwood, Barock, 8 00:00:30.679 --> 00:00:35.079 Alan Dershowitz, Leon Black, miss An? Sorry? Are there any 9 00:00:35.119 --> 00:00:39.240 specific recollections of these individuals that you could provide or 10 00:00:39.359 --> 00:00:43.880 instances where you may have met them as well? Miss Kelln, 11 00:00:44.200 --> 00:00:46.759 I was on all the trips with President Clinton in 12 00:00:46.840 --> 00:00:49.560 Asia and Africa. I remember seeing Leon Black at New 13 00:00:49.640 --> 00:00:53.119 York House come in for meetings. I believe we had 14 00:00:53.119 --> 00:00:55.960 dinner with them in Paris one time. Bill Gates was 15 00:00:55.960 --> 00:00:58.679 at the New York House, Prince Andrew was at the 16 00:00:58.719 --> 00:01:02.439 New York House. We also went to Andrew's private apartment 17 00:01:02.560 --> 00:01:06.120 at Buckingham Palace for dinner, and we were at Princess 18 00:01:06.120 --> 00:01:11.120 Beatrice's eighteenth birthday party at Windsor Castle, at whod Brock 19 00:01:11.439 --> 00:01:14.319 visited quite often. We went to Israel with him one time. 20 00:01:14.799 --> 00:01:16.840 He would stay at the guest apartment in New York 21 00:01:17.560 --> 00:01:22.200 of Jeffries quite often, Miss Ham, if I can interject, 22 00:01:22.319 --> 00:01:24.599 it might be easier for her to remember if there 23 00:01:24.599 --> 00:01:27.200 are specific names and we can just take through them, 24 00:01:27.680 --> 00:01:30.200 because I'm fairly confident that there are more prominent people 25 00:01:30.920 --> 00:01:34.079 than what she's named, and I'm not sure that she 26 00:01:34.120 --> 00:01:37.239 can remember them all in the moment, miss An. Sorry, 27 00:01:37.439 --> 00:01:40.280 so to get to more specifics, and you may have 28 00:01:40.319 --> 00:01:43.319 said these individuals. Were you aware of any meetings between 29 00:01:43.319 --> 00:01:48.200 Epstein and Andrew Winsor Kellen? Yes? And sorry. Were you 30 00:01:48.239 --> 00:01:54.159 aware of meetings between Epstein and Donald Trump? Kellen? Only 31 00:01:54.200 --> 00:01:55.799 the one time that I met him at Mara a 32 00:01:55.879 --> 00:01:59.719 Lago for like five minutes. Otherwise I don't recall Donald 33 00:01:59.760 --> 00:02:03.439 ever being present. And sorry. What about Epstein and Peter 34 00:02:03.519 --> 00:02:08.400 Thiel Kellen? No, and sorry. Epstein and Steve Bannon Kellen, 35 00:02:08.599 --> 00:02:10.919 I heard about it, but I have never met Steve Bannon, 36 00:02:11.520 --> 00:02:14.159 Miss Ham. Did you hear I'm sorry? Did you hear 37 00:02:14.199 --> 00:02:16.560 about it after the fact or at the time? Kellen 38 00:02:17.120 --> 00:02:20.199 after the fact? Ham, okay and sorry? While you were 39 00:02:20.240 --> 00:02:26.000 working with him though, Kellen after the fact, and sorry 40 00:02:26.000 --> 00:02:29.240 it was later on Kellen, yeah and sorry okay. Were 41 00:02:29.280 --> 00:02:33.240 you aware of any meetings between Epstein and Elon Musk Kellen, 42 00:02:33.319 --> 00:02:36.319 No and sorry okay. And you said yes to Bill 43 00:02:36.360 --> 00:02:40.360 Clinton and Bill Gates Kellen, correct and sorry, And for 44 00:02:40.520 --> 00:02:43.879 in particular Bill Gates. I'm curious what was your understanding 45 00:02:43.879 --> 00:02:48.599 of his relationship with Epstein? Kellen, Jeffrey was very friendly 46 00:02:48.680 --> 00:02:51.639 with one of Bill Gates associates, Boris Nikolitch. They were 47 00:02:51.719 --> 00:02:55.599 quite friendly, and it's my impression that he was using 48 00:02:55.639 --> 00:02:59.439 Boris to get to Bill. I'm not quite sure what 49 00:02:59.520 --> 00:03:02.199 the discussion or you know, what he was trying to 50 00:03:02.199 --> 00:03:04.400 get from Bill, but he seemed to always, you know, 51 00:03:04.759 --> 00:03:07.960 want to be connected to the most powerful people. I 52 00:03:08.000 --> 00:03:10.800 remember being present at the New York house when Bill Gates. 53 00:03:11.080 --> 00:03:14.039 There's a picture that was online that I actually took 54 00:03:14.039 --> 00:03:17.159 of Bill Gates, Jess Staley, Lauren Summers. I don't know 55 00:03:17.159 --> 00:03:19.000 if Leon was in the picture, but it was a 56 00:03:19.000 --> 00:03:21.919 group of like kind of really powerful men meeting at 57 00:03:21.919 --> 00:03:25.439 his house in New York, Miss Ann. Sorry, and did 58 00:03:25.439 --> 00:03:27.960 you play a role in scheduling any of those meetings 59 00:03:28.039 --> 00:03:32.280 between Epstein and any of these individuals? Miss Kellen, sometimes 60 00:03:32.919 --> 00:03:35.639 it depended on like if it was on the weekend, 61 00:03:36.039 --> 00:03:38.759 if the New York office was open or not. Leslie 62 00:03:38.800 --> 00:03:41.240 did most of the scheduling for his appointments like that. 63 00:03:41.759 --> 00:03:44.360 And sorry, okay, so if it wasn't you, it was 64 00:03:44.439 --> 00:03:48.639 Leslie Kellen most likely or somebody else in the office, 65 00:03:49.280 --> 00:03:51.879 Miss Ann. Sorry. And then could you just describe the 66 00:03:51.919 --> 00:03:57.400 process by which you would go about scheduling the meetings Kellen? Myself, 67 00:03:57.680 --> 00:04:00.000 if he told me to call somebody and schedule a time, 68 00:04:00.159 --> 00:04:02.439 I would I would do it. And sorry, Thank you, 69 00:04:03.120 --> 00:04:07.080 mister Frost jumps in next. Thank you, Maxwell Frost. I 70 00:04:07.159 --> 00:04:11.280 represent Orlando's Florida tenth. I have a couple of questions 71 00:04:11.319 --> 00:04:13.800 for you about mister Epstein's time in jail in Florida. 72 00:04:14.560 --> 00:04:17.720 From your perspective, did Epstein get any special treatment while 73 00:04:17.759 --> 00:04:20.800 he was in jail in Florida? Kellen? Somehow he was 74 00:04:20.839 --> 00:04:23.000 able to skype me from jail before he got work release. 75 00:04:23.439 --> 00:04:25.560 He skyped me from a computer and told me to 76 00:04:25.639 --> 00:04:28.879 undress for him on camera. I don't know how that happened, 77 00:04:29.519 --> 00:04:32.199 mister Frost. That was actually one of my questions as 78 00:04:32.279 --> 00:04:35.120 to video. Was it only a skype call or did 79 00:04:35.199 --> 00:04:39.720 you recall anymore, Kellen, only one that I remember, Frost. 80 00:04:39.959 --> 00:04:42.519 Are you aware of whether this was the common practice 81 00:04:42.519 --> 00:04:44.560 in the jail or do you think he was given 82 00:04:44.639 --> 00:04:47.439 special treatment to be able to skype someone from within 83 00:04:47.480 --> 00:04:50.319 the jail? Kellen? I would assume that he was given 84 00:04:50.360 --> 00:04:54.000 special treatment. I don't think that was you know, I'm 85 00:04:54.000 --> 00:04:57.319 not familiar with protocol jail's, but that doesn't seem like 86 00:04:57.319 --> 00:04:59.959 it would have been one of them. Frost. Do you know, 87 00:05:00.000 --> 00:05:02.600 oh how he arranged this or did he ever discuss 88 00:05:02.639 --> 00:05:06.079 how it was arranged? Kellen? No, Frost. Was the call 89 00:05:06.120 --> 00:05:10.120 out of the blue or was the call scheduled? Kellen? 90 00:05:10.160 --> 00:05:12.199 It was out of the blue? Frost. Was it his 91 00:05:12.360 --> 00:05:14.800 Skype account or was it a different Skype account? Do 92 00:05:14.839 --> 00:05:18.680 you remember, Kellen? That's a good question. I don't remember, Frost. 93 00:05:18.879 --> 00:05:21.759 Were you able to ascertain where in the jail he was? 94 00:05:21.759 --> 00:05:23.560 Was it like a jail cell or was it like 95 00:05:23.560 --> 00:05:27.800 a special room? Kellen? I couldn't really see. It was 96 00:05:27.920 --> 00:05:31.480 just kind of like plain white walls, Frost. Are there 97 00:05:31.639 --> 00:05:34.160 other ways beyond the Skype call that you think he 98 00:05:34.240 --> 00:05:38.240 received special treatment in the jail in Florida? Kellen? I 99 00:05:38.399 --> 00:05:41.000 know that he arranged to have cash and like Disneyland 100 00:05:41.000 --> 00:05:43.399 tickets taken till one of the officers in the jail, 101 00:05:43.800 --> 00:05:47.399 and I'm not sure what he received with that, mister Frost. 102 00:05:47.399 --> 00:05:52.279 Do you know the officer's name? Kellen? Michael Fox. Mister Frost, 103 00:05:52.319 --> 00:05:55.800 how'd you learn this information? Kellen? The paralegal that worked 104 00:05:55.800 --> 00:05:59.120 for him was the one to take the money to him? Frost. 105 00:05:59.160 --> 00:06:02.040 Is that something that told you kind of like, oh this, 106 00:06:02.399 --> 00:06:05.759 Like what was the nature of them telling you this information? 107 00:06:06.639 --> 00:06:09.319 Was it just kind of confide in you that it 108 00:06:09.360 --> 00:06:11.240 was weird or was it like part of your job 109 00:06:11.279 --> 00:06:14.319 to know? Kellen? He was kind of griping about it 110 00:06:14.360 --> 00:06:16.519 because he lived far away and he had to drive 111 00:06:16.560 --> 00:06:19.560 in and drop it off. Mister Frost. Do you know 112 00:06:19.639 --> 00:06:22.480 that happening with any other officials or officers or people 113 00:06:22.759 --> 00:06:25.399 in the justice system as it relates to his time 114 00:06:25.399 --> 00:06:29.439 in jail, Kellen, not specifically. I mean he got work 115 00:06:29.480 --> 00:06:31.759 release for twelve hours a day. I feel like that 116 00:06:31.839 --> 00:06:35.839 seemed like pretty preferential treatment. Frost. Did he ever talk 117 00:06:35.839 --> 00:06:38.959 about the process of how he got work release? Kellen. 118 00:06:39.560 --> 00:06:41.120 I know that he set up an office in West 119 00:06:41.120 --> 00:06:43.639 Palm Beach specifically for him to go to for a 120 00:06:43.639 --> 00:06:47.279 work release that didn't exist before the Florida Science Foundation. 121 00:06:47.800 --> 00:06:50.519 Mister Frost, Uh huh, Kellen. It was right down the 122 00:06:50.560 --> 00:06:52.959 hall from one of his main attorneys in West Palm Beach, 123 00:06:53.399 --> 00:06:57.920 Jack Goldberger's office. I'm not sure exactly what the Florida 124 00:06:58.000 --> 00:07:02.000 Science Foundation did. Do you know if he ever skyped 125 00:07:02.079 --> 00:07:04.639 or video called other women or other people while he 126 00:07:04.720 --> 00:07:08.079 was in jail? Kellen, I don't know. Frost. Did you 127 00:07:08.120 --> 00:07:11.279 ever visit him while he was in jail? Kellen? Yes, 128 00:07:11.879 --> 00:07:15.800 mister Frost. How many times? Kellen? It was once a 129 00:07:15.839 --> 00:07:18.360 week until he got work release. Frost. Did you ever 130 00:07:18.399 --> 00:07:21.879 meet Michael Fox while you visited him? Kellen? I feel 131 00:07:21.879 --> 00:07:24.759 like I did, but I just can't place where Frost. 132 00:07:24.800 --> 00:07:27.000 Did he ever talk to you about the preferential treatment 133 00:07:27.240 --> 00:07:29.959 at all, or the Disney tickets or the cash or 134 00:07:29.959 --> 00:07:34.600 any offhand comments or anything relating to that you remember, Kellen? 135 00:07:34.720 --> 00:07:39.439 Michael Fox, Frost, Michael Fox, Kellen, No, Frost. Why did 136 00:07:39.480 --> 00:07:42.240 you visit him, Kellen? Because he told me to Frost. 137 00:07:42.240 --> 00:07:45.279 He told you to come once a week, Kellen, yup, Frost. 138 00:07:45.360 --> 00:07:49.639 What did you guys talk about when you'd go visit him, Kellen. 139 00:07:49.920 --> 00:07:52.360 He would just talk about other inmates, kind of notes 140 00:07:52.399 --> 00:07:54.360 that they would give him or things that they would 141 00:07:54.360 --> 00:07:56.800 say to him. He would mostly try to joke about 142 00:07:56.800 --> 00:07:59.959 the situation and like his circumstances, make light of it. 143 00:08:00.439 --> 00:08:03.160 I would usually go in with another his girlfriend at 144 00:08:03.160 --> 00:08:05.079 the time, and then I would leave early so that 145 00:08:05.160 --> 00:08:09.040 they would have some alone time. Frost. Wait, say it again, Kellen. 146 00:08:09.319 --> 00:08:12.360 I would usually go in alongside with his girlfriend at 147 00:08:12.360 --> 00:08:15.120 the time. We'd go in together, and then I would 148 00:08:15.120 --> 00:08:17.680 be there for a shorter period of time, and then 149 00:08:17.720 --> 00:08:22.800 I would leave early. Frost. Did you drive together there, Kellen, Yes, Frost. 150 00:08:22.800 --> 00:08:25.079 Did she ever talk to you on the ride about 151 00:08:25.120 --> 00:08:28.399 the preferential treatment at all or anything relating to his 152 00:08:28.480 --> 00:08:33.519 jail time Kellen, not specifically that I can remember, Frost. 153 00:08:33.639 --> 00:08:36.519 And when you'd leave a little earlier, would you wait 154 00:08:36.519 --> 00:08:39.759 in the car for Kellen, Yes, Frost. Was there anything 155 00:08:39.759 --> 00:08:43.759 else that happened during those visits beyond the conversation, Kellen. No. 156 00:08:44.039 --> 00:08:46.279 We would just sit outside, like on a picnic bench, 157 00:08:46.600 --> 00:08:48.720 and he'd be on one side and we'd be on 158 00:08:48.720 --> 00:08:52.480 the other side, Frost. And was anyone else present beside 159 00:08:52.519 --> 00:08:56.879 you and the girlfriend on any of the visits Kellen. Occasionally, 160 00:08:56.879 --> 00:08:59.679 other people would go visit. I can't remember if we 161 00:08:59.679 --> 00:09:01.840 would all go at the same time or if we 162 00:09:01.840 --> 00:09:04.360 would space it out in timing, but I do remember 163 00:09:04.399 --> 00:09:06.600 that other people going around like at the same time 164 00:09:06.879 --> 00:09:10.639 as me. Frost. Do you remember any names, Kellen. I'm 165 00:09:10.679 --> 00:09:14.240 pretty sure Jean Luke Brunel. There was another man, Paul Prospery, 166 00:09:14.440 --> 00:09:16.679 that went quite often. I think he used to be 167 00:09:16.679 --> 00:09:19.679 an attorney, but I'm not sure what he was. I 168 00:09:19.720 --> 00:09:22.159 don't think he was like Jeffrey's attorney. I think just 169 00:09:22.200 --> 00:09:26.320 a friend. Maybe Igor Znoviev. I know he was like 170 00:09:26.320 --> 00:09:28.799 his driver and bodyguard at the time. I don't remember 171 00:09:28.840 --> 00:09:30.879 if he went in specifically and saw him in the 172 00:09:30.960 --> 00:09:34.679 jail or not. Frost. Anyone that you can recall, Kellen, 173 00:09:34.879 --> 00:09:38.720 his paralegal went in every single day story Cals. He 174 00:09:38.879 --> 00:09:42.120 was there I think six times a week, all day. Frost. 175 00:09:42.120 --> 00:09:46.360 Anyone else Kellen, not that I remember right now, mister Frost. Okay, 176 00:09:46.399 --> 00:09:50.840 thank you. Back to mister Submerannium. I'm going to try 177 00:09:50.840 --> 00:09:52.679 my best. You'll have to tell me when I'm going 178 00:09:52.679 --> 00:09:55.240 outside the bounds. So I guess I have just a 179 00:09:55.279 --> 00:09:59.120 general question if the DOJ were to, let's say, reopen 180 00:09:59.200 --> 00:10:02.559 the investigation into the matter and offer you immunity, would 181 00:10:02.559 --> 00:10:05.559 you sit down with them and tell them everything you know? Kellen? 182 00:10:05.799 --> 00:10:08.039 I have sat down with them and told them everything 183 00:10:08.080 --> 00:10:11.960 I know Submarannium, okay. And then if the DOJ were 184 00:10:12.000 --> 00:10:14.320 to release as you may know, there are some files 185 00:10:14.360 --> 00:10:16.720 that have not been released. Do you believe if the 186 00:10:16.799 --> 00:10:19.559 DOJ released them we would find out more information and 187 00:10:19.639 --> 00:10:24.600 more names of the people who participated in trafficking Kellen? 188 00:10:24.679 --> 00:10:28.799 I don't know, Sumaranium. And as far as your job responsibilities, 189 00:10:28.799 --> 00:10:31.559 did you ever take passports from anyone when they traveled, 190 00:10:31.759 --> 00:10:36.519 particularly survivors? Kellen, I've never taken anyone's passport or held 191 00:10:36.559 --> 00:10:39.240 on to it. Occasionally, if we were leaving the island 192 00:10:39.480 --> 00:10:42.879 or leaving like an international location, the pilots would need 193 00:10:42.919 --> 00:10:48.840 everyone's information ahead of time to pre clear customs. Mister Summaranium, 194 00:10:48.960 --> 00:10:53.000 did you ever come across fake passports? Kellen? No, Sumaranium, okay. 195 00:10:53.720 --> 00:10:56.600 And then did you ever facilitate any flights or meetings 196 00:10:56.840 --> 00:11:01.799 for Sarah Ferguson, particularly Kellen actually organizing meetings at Jeffrey's 197 00:11:01.799 --> 00:11:04.440 office in Palm Beach while he was on work release 198 00:11:04.840 --> 00:11:08.799 and at the house in pom Beach, Summaranium. I think 199 00:11:08.840 --> 00:11:11.039 there was some talk earlier about Indyke and Cohn. Do 200 00:11:11.120 --> 00:11:12.919 you believe that they were aware of what was going 201 00:11:12.960 --> 00:11:16.320 on as far as the abuse, Miss Ham as far 202 00:11:16.360 --> 00:11:19.440 as the abuse, Somemeranium or any of the abuse, But 203 00:11:19.840 --> 00:11:22.399 he gets cut off by Kellen. They potentially would have 204 00:11:22.399 --> 00:11:25.080 seen my nude photos around the houses if they want 205 00:11:25.120 --> 00:11:29.440 to visit Jeffrey or visited some of the houses, mister Submarannium. 206 00:11:29.960 --> 00:11:32.399 Did they ever ask you about whether you were encountering 207 00:11:32.440 --> 00:11:36.440 any abuse? Kellen? No, Somemaranium. I guess you can say 208 00:11:36.440 --> 00:11:38.320 that you won't answer this, But did you ever meet 209 00:11:38.440 --> 00:11:42.360 Virginia Roberts Kellen, I think I answered it earlier. I 210 00:11:42.360 --> 00:11:44.240 don't remember a meeting her, but I have seen that 211 00:11:44.240 --> 00:11:48.399 there were two flights with us on it together. Somemeranium, Okay, 212 00:11:48.799 --> 00:11:51.480 and then were you aware of I guess he won't 213 00:11:51.480 --> 00:11:54.039 be answering this question, so never mind. I guess that's 214 00:11:54.080 --> 00:11:56.200 all I have for now. Thanks. All right, folks, we're 215 00:11:56.200 --> 00:11:58.000 going to wrap up right here and in the next 216 00:11:58.000 --> 00:12:00.279 episode dealing with the topic, we're gonna pick up where 217 00:12:00.279 --> 00:12:03.559 we left off All the information that goes with this 218 00:12:03.600 --> 00:12:07.360 episode can be found in the description box. What's up, everyone, 219 00:12:07.399 --> 00:12:11.080 and welcome to another episode of the Epstein Chronicles. In 220 00:12:11.120 --> 00:12:13.480 this episode, we're getting right back to the Sarah Kelln 221 00:12:13.600 --> 00:12:19.919 interview with Congress. Question by misredacted if we could turn 222 00:12:19.960 --> 00:12:22.600 back to New Mexico for just a few minutes just 223 00:12:22.639 --> 00:12:25.200 to confirm. You believe that you did book some travel 224 00:12:25.279 --> 00:12:29.000 via both private plane and commercial plane to Zoro Ranch, 225 00:12:29.279 --> 00:12:32.120 but you don't have a firm recollection for who or 226 00:12:32.120 --> 00:12:35.240 what years? Ham can I ask you, do you have 227 00:12:35.279 --> 00:12:38.080 the flight logs that might help her job her memory, 228 00:12:38.120 --> 00:12:41.759 at least for the Epstein flights redacted, Just trying to 229 00:12:41.759 --> 00:12:45.120 get a general sense Kellen, Yeah, I wouldn't have. It's 230 00:12:45.120 --> 00:12:48.720 so long ago. I wouldn't have specific like dates or people. 231 00:12:50.000 --> 00:12:53.320 Question by misredacted. Did you ever overhear Epstein or Maxwell 232 00:12:53.360 --> 00:12:55.960 talk about New Mexico officials in the context of Zoro 233 00:12:56.080 --> 00:13:00.320 Ranch and there are operations at Zoro Ranch? Answer? I 234 00:13:00.399 --> 00:13:03.200 knew they were friends with Governor Richardson of New Mexico. 235 00:13:04.360 --> 00:13:07.240 Question do you remember how you learn that? Answer? It's 236 00:13:07.279 --> 00:13:09.799 possible that he came to the ranch to visit I 237 00:13:09.840 --> 00:13:12.200 feel like there were some like he. I'm trying to 238 00:13:12.200 --> 00:13:14.720 think if there were any connection to him, like owning 239 00:13:14.759 --> 00:13:17.399 some of the ranch or property. I might just be 240 00:13:17.440 --> 00:13:20.960 getting confused, or that was there was another governor I 241 00:13:21.000 --> 00:13:23.720 believe that owned the ranch, but it might not have 242 00:13:23.720 --> 00:13:27.000 been the Richardsons. I know that they were friendly. Question 243 00:13:27.320 --> 00:13:29.159 do you have any memory of them talking about law 244 00:13:29.240 --> 00:13:32.720 enforcement specifically in the context of the ranch and their 245 00:13:32.720 --> 00:13:37.480 operations at the ranch? Answer? Not really, But in what capacity? 246 00:13:37.960 --> 00:13:41.360 Question generally or potentially you know, providing protection for them 247 00:13:41.639 --> 00:13:46.200 or others Kellen, no question, no, okay. Are you aware 248 00:13:46.200 --> 00:13:49.840 of any efforts to suppress or delay state level investigations 249 00:13:50.159 --> 00:13:54.480 into their operation at Zoro Ranch? Answer no question okay. 250 00:13:54.720 --> 00:13:57.600 And then finally, are you aware of any disappearances or 251 00:13:57.639 --> 00:14:02.360 deaths related to Zoro Ranch? Answer no question okay. By 252 00:14:02.480 --> 00:14:05.919 mister redacted. Ms Kellen, I just had a few follow 253 00:14:06.039 --> 00:14:08.840 up questions for you regarding your discussion with the ranking 254 00:14:08.879 --> 00:14:12.559 member about your interaction with Donald Trump at mar A Lago. 255 00:14:13.200 --> 00:14:16.320 When did the encounter take place? Answer it was probably 256 00:14:16.320 --> 00:14:18.600 two thousand and two or two thousand and three. Question 257 00:14:19.000 --> 00:14:21.360 and what was the reason for your being at mar 258 00:14:21.399 --> 00:14:24.440 A Lago? Answer? Jeffrey would go and use the gym there. 259 00:14:24.879 --> 00:14:27.320 I went with him one time and Donald was there. 260 00:14:27.679 --> 00:14:29.879 I don't think he was in the gym, but he was, like, 261 00:14:29.919 --> 00:14:32.279 you know, in another room at mar a Lago, and 262 00:14:32.320 --> 00:14:35.559 we just went and said hello. Question and then the 263 00:14:35.600 --> 00:14:38.120 five minute interaction that you mentioned, What did you talk 264 00:14:38.159 --> 00:14:41.320 about with Donald Trump? Answer? I don't remember. It was 265 00:14:41.399 --> 00:14:42.919 just kind of more of like nice to meet you, 266 00:14:43.000 --> 00:14:45.960 I think type of thing. It wasn't a specific topic. 267 00:14:46.600 --> 00:14:49.320 Question was anyone else part of the interaction or was 268 00:14:49.360 --> 00:14:51.919 it just the two of you? Answer? Just the two 269 00:14:51.960 --> 00:14:55.840 of us or Jeffrey, me and mister Trump. Question my understanding, 270 00:14:56.000 --> 00:14:59.559 and it's been publicly reported that Jeffrey was ultimately barred 271 00:14:59.559 --> 00:15:04.399 from marl Is that your understanding as well? Answer? Yes. 272 00:15:04.799 --> 00:15:08.159 Question do you have any knowledge of the circumstances surrounding 273 00:15:08.159 --> 00:15:11.720 the decision? Answer? I believe it was because Jeffrey had 274 00:15:11.759 --> 00:15:14.759 hit on another member's daughter and Trump banned him from 275 00:15:14.759 --> 00:15:17.799 going back. Question Okay, do you know if that member's 276 00:15:17.879 --> 00:15:20.519 daughter was under the age of eighteen? Answer? I don't know. 277 00:15:21.200 --> 00:15:24.360 Question you also mentioned during the course of your conversation 278 00:15:24.639 --> 00:15:28.159 with a ranking member that Jeffrey Epstein and Donald Trump 279 00:15:28.159 --> 00:15:32.000 had a falling out involving a real estate transaction. Was 280 00:15:32.039 --> 00:15:35.240 mister Epstein's expulsion from mar A Lago also a factor? 281 00:15:35.279 --> 00:15:38.480 And they're falling out? To your understanding? Answer? I think 282 00:15:38.480 --> 00:15:42.159 it was probably both. Yeah, twofold kind of yeah. Question. 283 00:15:42.639 --> 00:15:45.759 Did Jeffrey Epstein ever talk with you about that? Answer? 284 00:15:45.799 --> 00:15:49.480 Which part? Question is falling out? Answer? No, I just 285 00:15:49.519 --> 00:15:51.600 knew he was annoyed and that he lost the bit 286 00:15:51.679 --> 00:15:54.759 on the house in Palm Beach that Trump won. Question 287 00:15:54.840 --> 00:15:58.960 by misredacted? Just really quick on that? Do you recall 288 00:15:59.000 --> 00:16:04.200 the name of the member who's daughter he Kellen? No question? Okay, 289 00:16:04.679 --> 00:16:06.440 I'm just going to ask a few more questions on 290 00:16:06.480 --> 00:16:09.240 Glenn Maxwell. I know you covered some of this earlier, 291 00:16:09.399 --> 00:16:12.320 so I'll try to skip those parts. When you began 292 00:16:12.360 --> 00:16:15.120 working for Epstein and Maxwell, what was your understanding of 293 00:16:15.120 --> 00:16:19.440 their relationship to each other? Answer that they were dating 294 00:16:19.639 --> 00:16:22.679 and that she ran all of the houses and stuff. Question, 295 00:16:23.000 --> 00:16:25.919 so when you started working there, they were romantically involved? 296 00:16:26.200 --> 00:16:31.600 Answer yes. Question and when did that romantic relationship end? Answer? 297 00:16:31.679 --> 00:16:34.639 Probably around two thousand and four, is my guests question? 298 00:16:35.039 --> 00:16:41.399 And Maxwell continued working for Epstein after they ended their relationship? Answer? Yes. Question, 299 00:16:42.039 --> 00:16:45.360 What to your understanding were Maxwell's duties for Epstein. I 300 00:16:45.399 --> 00:16:47.320 know that you said earlier that she sort of like 301 00:16:47.399 --> 00:16:50.919 ran his life. What did that entail? Answer? She hired 302 00:16:50.960 --> 00:16:53.919 all the staff, She oversaw all the houses, the running 303 00:16:53.960 --> 00:16:56.519 of the houses. She made a manual that would be 304 00:16:56.559 --> 00:16:59.679 distributed to all the staff members, and so she made 305 00:16:59.679 --> 00:17:02.960 the max of all the duties to perform. She approved 306 00:17:03.000 --> 00:17:05.240 all the building of all the houses. She would have 307 00:17:05.319 --> 00:17:07.720 to go and like sign off on all the checks 308 00:17:07.839 --> 00:17:10.519 in the office and all the payments and things like that. 309 00:17:11.400 --> 00:17:15.279 Question did her role change after the romantic relationship ended? 310 00:17:15.920 --> 00:17:19.319 Answer not really, not until she kind of started she 311 00:17:19.400 --> 00:17:24.000 mostly started distancing herself. She was around basically until twenty ten. 312 00:17:24.319 --> 00:17:27.000 I want to say, during the time he was in jail. 313 00:17:27.240 --> 00:17:30.519 She wasn't around so much, Like she came once to 314 00:17:30.599 --> 00:17:33.599 visit him on work release at the office, but she 315 00:17:33.680 --> 00:17:36.960 was still involved in, like you know, still kind of 316 00:17:37.039 --> 00:17:40.920 reported to her. Answer yeah, question at the office was 317 00:17:40.920 --> 00:17:45.759 at the Florida Science Foundation office. Answer yes. Question And 318 00:17:45.799 --> 00:17:48.640 did you find out at all that she continued working 319 00:17:48.680 --> 00:17:52.319 for him after their relationship had ended? Answer no, because 320 00:17:52.359 --> 00:17:54.640 they were I mean, they were like the closest to 321 00:17:54.680 --> 00:17:57.440 each other and everything, like she knew everything about him, 322 00:17:57.640 --> 00:18:00.400 and he had access to everything, and she ran out everything. 323 00:18:01.279 --> 00:18:03.759 Question Uh huh. And he said earlier that you took 324 00:18:03.759 --> 00:18:06.599 over for redacted, which was her assistant. So when you 325 00:18:06.640 --> 00:18:09.440 first started working for them, were you were reporting directly 326 00:18:09.480 --> 00:18:13.839 to Glenn Maxwell? Answer yes, question and then after she 327 00:18:14.000 --> 00:18:17.240 separated a bit, you started reporting more directly to Epstein 328 00:18:17.839 --> 00:18:21.240 answer correct. Question. How did your role differ when you 329 00:18:21.359 --> 00:18:24.799 reported directly to Maxwell? Answer? It didn't differ a lot. 330 00:18:25.119 --> 00:18:27.000 She would have me doing a lot of personal things 331 00:18:27.000 --> 00:18:29.079 for her in addition to all the things that Jeffrey 332 00:18:29.119 --> 00:18:31.799 at the time, like picking up her dry cleaning, running 333 00:18:31.880 --> 00:18:35.359 errands for her, helping her unpack, things like that. And 334 00:18:35.400 --> 00:18:38.640 then with Jeffrey it was more about him. Question. And 335 00:18:38.680 --> 00:18:41.599 you said that when you were working for in New York, 336 00:18:41.759 --> 00:18:45.359 you were working out of her townhouse. Is that correct? Answer? Yeah, 337 00:18:45.440 --> 00:18:47.799 she had an office in the ground floor of her house. 338 00:18:48.240 --> 00:18:51.160 Question okay, And could you describe your routine when you 339 00:18:51.200 --> 00:18:53.240 were working out of that office in a little bit 340 00:18:53.240 --> 00:18:56.839 more detail? Answer? So, I would typically get there at 341 00:18:57.000 --> 00:18:59.240 nine in the morning and go up to her office. 342 00:18:59.559 --> 00:19:02.200 She had an office on her third or fourth floor, 343 00:19:02.400 --> 00:19:04.079 and she would give me a list of things to 344 00:19:04.160 --> 00:19:07.039 work on or things to go source her buy different 345 00:19:07.079 --> 00:19:09.599 projects and things, and I would go and try and 346 00:19:09.640 --> 00:19:13.079 get them done. Question when you were at her apartment, 347 00:19:13.200 --> 00:19:15.160 did you see anyone coming in or out of the 348 00:19:15.160 --> 00:19:18.400 building or in and out of her apartment? Answer? There 349 00:19:18.440 --> 00:19:20.960 were two doors. There was the main door and then 350 00:19:21.000 --> 00:19:23.480 a side door. It was like the staff entrance and 351 00:19:23.559 --> 00:19:26.240 the entrance to the office, so it was kind of 352 00:19:26.319 --> 00:19:30.000 like separate from her main personal part of the house. Questions, 353 00:19:30.000 --> 00:19:32.440 so you don't recall seeing anyone from her personal life 354 00:19:32.480 --> 00:19:36.119 coming and going? Answer? Not really. Question did you ever 355 00:19:36.119 --> 00:19:39.279 see other young women coming and going? Answer? There were 356 00:19:39.359 --> 00:19:42.319 other other assistants that worked out of the house as well. 357 00:19:42.880 --> 00:19:47.480 Question who were those assistants? Answer? It will have their 358 00:19:47.559 --> 00:19:51.039 names redacted because they're not a public question and they 359 00:19:51.079 --> 00:19:54.200 were there were assistants or were they victims? Ham, Can 360 00:19:54.200 --> 00:19:56.240 we go off the record for a second, they come 361 00:19:56.279 --> 00:19:59.880 back on Kellen and their names will be redacted. I'm sorry, 362 00:20:00.039 --> 00:20:02.960 I'm just protective. Oh please save it. All of a sudden, 363 00:20:02.960 --> 00:20:08.319 you're protective. Huh. Redacted. That's at the discretion of the majority, 364 00:20:08.519 --> 00:20:10.799 but that is our request as I noted at the 365 00:20:10.839 --> 00:20:14.680 outset of the hour. Question and how old were they 366 00:20:14.759 --> 00:20:18.680 at the time? Answer in the twenties, around the same age. 367 00:20:19.200 --> 00:20:21.799 Question and did they do similar work for miss Maxwell 368 00:20:21.799 --> 00:20:25.319 as you answer? Yeah, question, thank you. Just a few 369 00:20:25.319 --> 00:20:29.039 more questions. Are you aware of whether Epstein and Maxwell 370 00:20:29.079 --> 00:20:32.680 remained in contact after she stopped working for him? Answer? 371 00:20:32.759 --> 00:20:36.079 I'm sorry. Question did Epstein and Maxwell remain in contact 372 00:20:36.319 --> 00:20:39.720 after she stopped working for him? Answer? I'm not sure 373 00:20:39.759 --> 00:20:41.920 how much contact they had. The last time I remember 374 00:20:42.000 --> 00:20:45.200 seeing her was in twenty ten. Jeffrey had a big 375 00:20:45.200 --> 00:20:47.160 dinner at his house in New York after he got 376 00:20:47.200 --> 00:20:49.880 out of jail for like Yam Kopor, and she was 377 00:20:49.880 --> 00:20:53.279 present for that. Question. Okay, so it doesn't seem like 378 00:20:53.319 --> 00:20:56.559 they spent much time together from your understanding. Answer not 379 00:20:56.640 --> 00:20:59.839 a lot after jail. Question did you remain in contact 380 00:20:59.880 --> 00:21:04.720 with miss Maxwell after she stopped working for Epstein? Answer? No, question, 381 00:21:04.960 --> 00:21:06.960 and you never spoke to her again? You never saw 382 00:21:06.960 --> 00:21:10.920 her again? Answer I don't remember any specific time that 383 00:21:10.960 --> 00:21:13.880 I did. I mean potentially an email here or there, 384 00:21:14.400 --> 00:21:18.200 but I don't have any like specific recollection. Question and 385 00:21:18.279 --> 00:21:21.240 this would have been like after twenty ten, you said, 386 00:21:21.880 --> 00:21:24.920 answer right. That's the last time I remember seeing her 387 00:21:25.440 --> 00:21:28.279 was in twenty ten at the dinner. Question Okay, and 388 00:21:28.319 --> 00:21:30.799 when did you find out that Maxwell was arrested on 389 00:21:30.920 --> 00:21:34.359 charges of enticement of miners and sex trafficking of children 390 00:21:34.880 --> 00:21:38.240 in twenty twenty? Answer? It was either on the news 391 00:21:38.480 --> 00:21:41.079 or my attorneys at the time told me. Question right 392 00:21:41.119 --> 00:21:44.519 after it happened. Answer A huh. Question And what was 393 00:21:44.559 --> 00:21:48.000 your reaction to that? Answer? Not surprised? Question Why were 394 00:21:48.000 --> 00:21:51.960 you not surprised based on your experience? Answer because I 395 00:21:52.039 --> 00:21:54.720 knew that she would introduce people to Jeffrey, and I 396 00:21:54.799 --> 00:21:57.480 knew that she abused me. I always felt that she 397 00:21:57.559 --> 00:22:01.160 was instrumental in Jeffrey becoming who he became. I always 398 00:22:01.200 --> 00:22:03.240 felt like she kind of turned him into the monster 399 00:22:03.319 --> 00:22:06.119 that he became, that she just fed him and cater 400 00:22:06.279 --> 00:22:09.519 to every whim that he wanted. Question. When you say 401 00:22:09.519 --> 00:22:12.559