1 00:00:05,000 --> 00:00:08,839 Speaker 1: The Thinking Atheist. It's not a person, it's a symbol, 2 00:00:09,400 --> 00:00:10,000 an idea. 3 00:00:10,800 --> 00:00:13,519 Speaker 2: The population of atheists this country is going through the. 4 00:00:13,519 --> 00:00:19,039 Speaker 1: Rule, rejecting faith, pursuing knowledge, challenging the sacred. If I 5 00:00:19,120 --> 00:00:22,559 tell the truth, it's because I tell the truth, not 6 00:00:22,679 --> 00:00:24,600 because I put my hand on a book and made 7 00:00:24,600 --> 00:00:28,839 a wish and working together for a more rational world. 8 00:00:29,079 --> 00:00:32,039 Speaker 2: Take the risk of thinking. Feel so much more happiness. 9 00:00:32,079 --> 00:00:34,719 Truth Fusian wisdom will come to you that way. 10 00:00:35,679 --> 00:00:43,520 Speaker 1: Assume nothing, question everything, and start thinking. This is the 11 00:00:43,600 --> 00:00:56,039 Thinking Atheist podcast hosted by Seth Andrews. 12 00:00:56,399 --> 00:00:59,640 Speaker 2: I woke up this morning. I was driving Linus to 13 00:00:59,799 --> 00:01:02,960 the Vatti had to have a teeth cleaning. This is 14 00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:05,920 always stressful for Natalie and me because we lost a 15 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:08,799 dog on the operating table as he was having teeth 16 00:01:08,840 --> 00:01:12,040 extraction years ago. And I'll spare you that story, but 17 00:01:12,599 --> 00:01:15,120 every time we have to have a dog put under 18 00:01:15,719 --> 00:01:18,840 for any procedure, it's a thing. And so I was 19 00:01:18,920 --> 00:01:21,640 driving Linus in to get his teeth cleaned this morning 20 00:01:21,879 --> 00:01:28,239 and I just was thinking. And because when I start thinking, 21 00:01:28,799 --> 00:01:32,439 sometimes I start speaking, and I'm like, well, who can 22 00:01:32,480 --> 00:01:35,480 I speak to when that person happens to be you. 23 00:01:35,719 --> 00:01:38,640 Then I do a bonus release. Here, I do a 24 00:01:38,680 --> 00:01:41,760 bonus podcast. I've done a lot of these this month. 25 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:43,920 I don't know how you feel about it. Maybe you're like, 26 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:48,239 dear God, I like the once a week shows. Why 27 00:01:48,239 --> 00:01:50,799 do you keep releasing new stuff? And it's free? The 28 00:01:50,840 --> 00:01:53,439 patrons aren't paying for them. It's just me blathering? But 29 00:01:54,200 --> 00:01:57,719 who else am I gonna tell? So I'll tell you 30 00:01:57,760 --> 00:02:02,439 this and I don't. I don't air dirty laundry like 31 00:02:02,719 --> 00:02:06,799 this is not that kind of a story, but it relates. 32 00:02:07,159 --> 00:02:08,280 I mean, I'm just going to tell you. 33 00:02:08,360 --> 00:02:08,439 Speaker 1: So. 34 00:02:08,719 --> 00:02:12,240 Speaker 2: We were having dinner with a friend of ours. I've 35 00:02:12,240 --> 00:02:14,680 known Valerie, she wouldn't mind me using her real name 36 00:02:14,759 --> 00:02:18,560 Valerie for thirty five years. And Natalie and I were 37 00:02:18,599 --> 00:02:23,800 having dinner with val and her husband, and we started 38 00:02:23,840 --> 00:02:31,199 to talk about friendships, relationships, especially now in today's climate, 39 00:02:32,080 --> 00:02:35,599 and Valerie mentioned a term that I've sort of grasp onto. 40 00:02:36,080 --> 00:02:40,919 She was talking about root people. She's like, in your life, 41 00:02:41,719 --> 00:02:45,560 you have those who are surface people. The roots are 42 00:02:45,599 --> 00:02:48,039 shallow or they kind of drift by and it doesn't 43 00:02:48,080 --> 00:02:52,120 take much. You know, it's either time or the elements. 44 00:02:52,680 --> 00:02:55,639 A storm comes by. How a good wind can just 45 00:02:55,759 --> 00:02:57,759 rip them out of the ground and then they tumble 46 00:02:57,800 --> 00:03:01,520 off and they're gone. Their surface people. And there's a 47 00:03:01,639 --> 00:03:04,719 ton of surface people in our lives. You're already thinking 48 00:03:04,759 --> 00:03:08,479 about surface people. They've come and they've gone. This was 49 00:03:08,520 --> 00:03:15,919 not lasting, but on a few occasions you find root people. 50 00:03:17,479 --> 00:03:21,520 The roots go deep and you know, no matter what happens, 51 00:03:22,120 --> 00:03:24,360 they will be there for you could be a family 52 00:03:24,400 --> 00:03:30,319 member or a friend. Shit goes down and they're not leaving, 53 00:03:31,120 --> 00:03:33,879 and they get you and they relate to you, and 54 00:03:33,919 --> 00:03:37,560 they have your back, and they are loyal. They are 55 00:03:37,719 --> 00:03:43,800 loyal root friends. And when you're young, you think you're 56 00:03:43,800 --> 00:03:46,240 going to run into root people your whole life. You 57 00:03:46,280 --> 00:03:48,520 think everybody's going to have a connection like that. Well, 58 00:03:48,560 --> 00:03:50,159 I'm going to have a ton of people that I 59 00:03:50,199 --> 00:03:52,759 can count on and trust. And that turns out in 60 00:03:52,800 --> 00:03:56,280 so many cases not to be true. You just have 61 00:03:56,400 --> 00:03:59,680 a few. I've got a few root people in my 62 00:03:59,719 --> 00:04:03,960 inner circle. I will consider you to be loyal friends. 63 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:06,560 That that's a slightly different category. This is a little 64 00:04:06,560 --> 00:04:09,560 bit of a parasocial relationship because you know, you know 65 00:04:09,639 --> 00:04:12,000 all about me and Natalie, and whenever we meet out 66 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:14,639 on the road, you and me I'm catching up as 67 00:04:14,680 --> 00:04:16,480 you tell me about all the things that are happening 68 00:04:16,480 --> 00:04:18,560 in your life. I know you've got my back, or 69 00:04:18,720 --> 00:04:20,839 you know, I'm guessing you've got my back. But I'm 70 00:04:20,879 --> 00:04:30,360 talking about interpersonal relationships root people. Okay, so recent events, 71 00:04:30,560 --> 00:04:34,240 I say recent the last ten years, but especially since 72 00:04:34,319 --> 00:04:42,120 the November election. I've reflected on root people. And there's 73 00:04:42,160 --> 00:04:46,560 this guy. I've known him for a decade and we've 74 00:04:46,639 --> 00:04:49,480 hung out and we play a ton of tennis, and 75 00:04:49,519 --> 00:04:53,639 we've had dinner and had him over and with just time. 76 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:55,480 You know, there's the kind of guy that when he's 77 00:04:55,519 --> 00:04:57,720 on a commute or a road trip, he'll call and 78 00:04:57,759 --> 00:05:02,680 we'll catch up on the phone, and he in many 79 00:05:02,680 --> 00:05:08,480 ways has been there for me. But it was in 80 00:05:08,519 --> 00:05:12,920 the spring and I had just come off of the 81 00:05:13,079 --> 00:05:19,439 No Kings protest, and I know, I know that he 82 00:05:19,560 --> 00:05:24,160 voted Trump. I also know that he is not really 83 00:05:24,240 --> 00:05:27,199 well versed in what's happening in the world. I think 84 00:05:27,240 --> 00:05:31,199 he grazes by maybe Fox News, but he's checked out. 85 00:05:31,240 --> 00:05:33,839 He doesn't. He doesn't. I mean, if I was to 86 00:05:33,879 --> 00:05:37,560 ask him name four of the Supreme Court justices, he 87 00:05:37,639 --> 00:05:40,600 couldn't even do that. Tell me what happened in the 88 00:05:40,639 --> 00:05:44,399 headlines yesterday. It's not really his thing. He lives his life. 89 00:05:44,399 --> 00:05:48,279 He's off that particular frequency and he's doing his thing. 90 00:05:49,519 --> 00:05:53,480 But he voted Trump because he's you know, he's a 91 00:05:53,560 --> 00:05:56,160 conservative Republican and that's what he does. And we have 92 00:05:56,199 --> 00:06:00,399 avoided politics in our conversations because he and I have 93 00:06:00,480 --> 00:06:03,600 had so much history. And I had come off No 94 00:06:03,800 --> 00:06:05,920 Kings in the spring and we were there on the 95 00:06:05,920 --> 00:06:09,480 tennis court and I was watching my team and he 96 00:06:09,519 --> 00:06:13,279 was there on the bleachers, and somehow it came up. 97 00:06:13,399 --> 00:06:16,120 I don't know if I was sunburned from being out 98 00:06:16,240 --> 00:06:19,680 all day, and it came up in conversation that I 99 00:06:19,720 --> 00:06:25,079 had been at the event, the rally, and he said, 100 00:06:26,160 --> 00:06:28,319 you know, I heard that a lot of those people 101 00:06:28,439 --> 00:06:35,680 were got paid to be there. And I stopped. I 102 00:06:35,720 --> 00:06:38,519 was like, I'm sorry, what, well, I mean, that's just 103 00:06:38,639 --> 00:06:40,720 you know, there are reports that a lot of those 104 00:06:40,759 --> 00:06:44,279 folks aren't real like they they're you know, they got paid, 105 00:06:45,399 --> 00:06:53,600 they're actors. And I looked at him and I'm trying 106 00:06:53,639 --> 00:06:56,759 to process that did this just come out of your mouth? 107 00:06:58,319 --> 00:07:02,040 And I don't remember exactly what I said, except oh yeah, 108 00:07:02,160 --> 00:07:05,399 you know, oh sure, we're all crisis actors. We're all 109 00:07:05,439 --> 00:07:11,120 out there pretending for a paycheck. And essentially I was 110 00:07:11,160 --> 00:07:13,480 trying to say, that's a bunch of crap. And then 111 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:16,839 the match ended and everybody goes their respective ways, and 112 00:07:16,879 --> 00:07:21,279 I got a text from him and it was a 113 00:07:21,399 --> 00:07:28,240 link to a Craigslist ad that said actors wanted or 114 00:07:28,439 --> 00:07:34,839 you know, paid protesters wanted to infiltrate No Kings, And 115 00:07:35,839 --> 00:07:38,879 you know, it was one of those things where it 116 00:07:38,959 --> 00:07:43,680 was obviously bogus. My first thought was, Craigslist is still around. 117 00:07:45,720 --> 00:07:49,519 Craigslist to me, is like the prodigy of the online 118 00:07:49,560 --> 00:07:54,279 spec Like, Craigslist is still around and this is where 119 00:07:54,639 --> 00:08:01,600 millions of people are going to sign up. I thought 120 00:08:01,680 --> 00:08:06,800 Craigslist is where you find something listed for sale and 121 00:08:06,839 --> 00:08:09,240 then you make the deal, drive to go pick up 122 00:08:09,279 --> 00:08:12,279 the product, and then you get murdered. I thought that's 123 00:08:12,279 --> 00:08:15,959 what Craigslist was. And we end up on the phone 124 00:08:16,879 --> 00:08:19,399 and I know, I'm just like, are you kidding me? 125 00:08:19,519 --> 00:08:22,639 But I really, really In that moment, it finally hit me. 126 00:08:22,720 --> 00:08:25,879 I thought, this guy is on a different frequency. He 127 00:08:27,040 --> 00:08:29,839 does not get it. He is in the closest of 128 00:08:30,040 --> 00:08:34,720 proximities to someone of true conviction who spent the whole 129 00:08:34,919 --> 00:08:40,360 goddamn day in the sun rallying against authoritarianism. And his 130 00:08:40,559 --> 00:08:44,039 first thought was, eh, I hear, there's a ton of 131 00:08:44,039 --> 00:08:47,320 paid actors. I mean, how much more close to it 132 00:08:47,360 --> 00:08:50,240 could he be? I'm an example, I'm a refutation to 133 00:08:50,320 --> 00:08:54,960 the claim. And I felt right then that was my 134 00:08:55,120 --> 00:08:59,080 moment with him where I really started two step away. 135 00:09:00,879 --> 00:09:04,080 But we remain. I mean, we're friends today. But you 136 00:09:04,159 --> 00:09:07,919 know what I mean, you can feel, okay, maybe this 137 00:09:08,080 --> 00:09:12,320 is really a surface thing because I don't feel roots. 138 00:09:12,320 --> 00:09:14,480 I don't feel that he really he's not he doesn't 139 00:09:14,519 --> 00:09:17,799 get me at all, after all of our history, He's 140 00:09:17,799 --> 00:09:23,080 not there there. So this was a few weeks ago 141 00:09:24,000 --> 00:09:26,600 when I was reading about Donald Trump, who had signed 142 00:09:26,639 --> 00:09:28,679 this memo and this is in the wake of the 143 00:09:28,799 --> 00:09:33,759 Charlie Kirk murder. But he had this edict, I guess 144 00:09:33,799 --> 00:09:37,080 I will call it, which is supposed to combat domestic 145 00:09:37,279 --> 00:09:43,960 terrorism and organized political violence, the National Security Presidential Memorandum 146 00:09:44,039 --> 00:09:49,080 seven in SPM seven. And this was not reported by 147 00:09:49,120 --> 00:09:53,360 a ton of outlets. It just sort of skated in 148 00:09:53,399 --> 00:09:57,600 the media. But the memo itself is terrifying for people 149 00:09:57,720 --> 00:10:02,000 like me and like you. Trump's memorandum calls on the 150 00:10:02,080 --> 00:10:05,200 National Joint Terrorism Task Force and they work under the 151 00:10:05,279 --> 00:10:10,360 FBI to go after what is considered threats to America. Now, 152 00:10:10,399 --> 00:10:15,799 this is vague and conveniently nebulous language. You're a threat 153 00:10:15,879 --> 00:10:19,159 to America, You're anti America. Now we've been hearing this 154 00:10:19,759 --> 00:10:22,840 after the recent note Kings protest. The Fox newsers are 155 00:10:22,879 --> 00:10:27,840 all like Antifa and crisis actors and hate America. It's 156 00:10:27,879 --> 00:10:31,639 the hate America rally. Well, if you hate America, you're 157 00:10:31,639 --> 00:10:37,000 probably a threat. In the language of NSPM seven quote. 158 00:10:37,159 --> 00:10:42,519 There are common recurrent motivations and inditia uniting this pattern 159 00:10:42,600 --> 00:10:46,639 of violent and terroristic activities under the umbrella of self 160 00:10:46,679 --> 00:10:53,320 described anti fascism. These movements portray foundational American principles cg. 161 00:10:53,639 --> 00:10:57,960 Support for law enforcement and border control as fascist to 162 00:10:58,159 --> 00:11:02,679 justify and encourage acts of violence revolution. This anti fascist 163 00:11:02,960 --> 00:11:07,320 lie has become the organizing rallying cry used by domestic 164 00:11:07,559 --> 00:11:13,360 terrorists to wage a violent assault against democratic institutions, constitutional rights, 165 00:11:13,360 --> 00:11:20,200 and fundamental American liberties. Common threads animating this violent conduct 166 00:11:20,320 --> 00:11:27,679 include anti Americanism, anti capitalism, and anti Christianity. Support for 167 00:11:27,759 --> 00:11:32,480 the overthrow of the United States government extremism on migration, 168 00:11:32,720 --> 00:11:37,039 race and gender, and hostility towards those who hold traditional 169 00:11:37,120 --> 00:11:43,679 American views on family, religion, and morality. Now there's a 170 00:11:43,720 --> 00:11:47,840 lot of loaded language in there. Anti Americanism. What does 171 00:11:47,879 --> 00:11:51,639 that mean? You criticize America in that model? Who would 172 00:11:51,679 --> 00:11:55,759 have been considered America? Pretty much anybody whoever protested an 173 00:11:55,799 --> 00:12:01,240 injustice in this country. Anti capitalism? Aw oh, now you 174 00:12:01,320 --> 00:12:05,120 think las a fair especially, you know, absolutely unfettered, unchecked 175 00:12:05,200 --> 00:12:10,639 free market capitalism favors a tiny few oligarchs while the 176 00:12:10,679 --> 00:12:15,080 rest of us get hosed. Well, that's anti American. I'm 177 00:12:15,120 --> 00:12:17,600 guessing they would have thought Jesus Christ would have been 178 00:12:17,600 --> 00:12:23,000 a capitalist right. And anti Christianity, which is different than 179 00:12:23,159 --> 00:12:27,279 us showing bias or discrimination against someone because they are Christian. 180 00:12:27,759 --> 00:12:29,720 And it's weird for some people when I tell them, 181 00:12:29,799 --> 00:12:32,600 especially Christian, that I will fight for your right to 182 00:12:32,759 --> 00:12:37,159 be religious because you have a constitutional right to have 183 00:12:37,320 --> 00:12:41,519 and hold a Christian belief if you choose to. It's 184 00:12:41,559 --> 00:12:44,240 when it crosses into my threshold. It's when you try 185 00:12:44,240 --> 00:12:48,080 to theocritize the country. It's when it spills out of 186 00:12:48,080 --> 00:12:50,320 your life and affects the rest of us that it 187 00:12:50,320 --> 00:12:53,759 becomes a problem. The whole Christian nation thing is obviously 188 00:12:53,799 --> 00:12:57,039 a problem. But you have a right to be a Christian. Now, 189 00:12:58,159 --> 00:13:00,919 when I go hard and when you go hard Christianity, 190 00:13:01,360 --> 00:13:04,759 we dismantle the Bible. We know it's cramp, we know 191 00:13:04,840 --> 00:13:07,519 it's bogus, we know it's borrowed, we know it's false, 192 00:13:07,559 --> 00:13:10,519 we know it's often immoral, And the right thing to 193 00:13:10,519 --> 00:13:14,840 do is to go forward and say this is total bullshit. 194 00:13:15,879 --> 00:13:18,840 And especially though so Pacific come ount of Christianity, I 195 00:13:18,879 --> 00:13:21,120 think have enough equity to be able to do that. 196 00:13:21,159 --> 00:13:24,600 But we can all say, you know, I don't buy it, 197 00:13:24,799 --> 00:13:26,879 and I think it does a lot of harm, and 198 00:13:27,039 --> 00:13:29,279 we are not a Christian nation. Blah blah blah. Well, 199 00:13:29,360 --> 00:13:36,440 now we could be designated anti Christianity. That means that we, 200 00:13:36,519 --> 00:13:42,120 potentially under the National Joint Terrorism Task Force seven, might 201 00:13:42,240 --> 00:13:47,360 qualify as domestic terrorists to wage a violent assault against 202 00:13:47,519 --> 00:13:54,080 democratic institutions, constitutional rights, and fundamental American liberties. Well, what 203 00:13:54,080 --> 00:13:57,480 does that mean? Trump is going to start in the government. 204 00:13:57,519 --> 00:14:01,320 Obviously he's going through and he's like Christian by essentially 205 00:14:01,360 --> 00:14:04,759 anybody who is not Christian or has ever criticized Christianity. 206 00:14:05,240 --> 00:14:08,840 How dare they, and then he vacuums them out of 207 00:14:08,840 --> 00:14:14,200 the administration, and then the target expands. And those of 208 00:14:14,279 --> 00:14:17,399 us who have ever spoken about Christianity in a negative way, 209 00:14:17,399 --> 00:14:20,600 and that includes you, that's all of us. Right now, 210 00:14:20,639 --> 00:14:24,799 we are in the splash damage zone. Potentially we become 211 00:14:24,840 --> 00:14:29,519 a primary target. So then the oligarchs get involved. You've 212 00:14:29,519 --> 00:14:32,519 got Mark Zuckerberg, he's had his head up Trump's ass. 213 00:14:32,559 --> 00:14:34,519 They've been over there in the cabinet room, you know. 214 00:14:34,559 --> 00:14:37,960 And Elon Musk He's trying to regain Trump's favor after 215 00:14:38,120 --> 00:14:40,840 he threw him under the bus with the Epstein files. 216 00:14:41,360 --> 00:14:44,480 But Elon's got a shit a ton of government contracts 217 00:14:44,879 --> 00:14:48,039 and he needs the government to favor him. These are 218 00:14:48,080 --> 00:14:53,679 people who have near dictatorial control over huge platforms of 219 00:14:53,720 --> 00:14:57,919 information X and Facebook. I'm trying to think of who 220 00:14:58,000 --> 00:15:02,399 runs Google, but I'm guessing they're Silicon Valley oligarchs who 221 00:15:02,960 --> 00:15:08,039 will benefit from unfettered capitalism, lack of regulation, and so 222 00:15:08,200 --> 00:15:10,320 they might side on the Trump thing. Forgive me for 223 00:15:10,360 --> 00:15:15,279 not knowing that I'm just vamping. This is unprepared. So 224 00:15:15,799 --> 00:15:21,679 what happens. Then Let's say I am declared and my friends, 225 00:15:21,799 --> 00:15:27,440 you know, Forest Valcai and Erica and Promise and Matt 226 00:15:27,679 --> 00:15:32,840 and Arn and Paul and Shannon, and I mean, anybody, 227 00:15:32,960 --> 00:15:36,799 you know, anybody out there who was ever anybody we 228 00:15:36,919 --> 00:15:40,919 are declared terrorists. At the very least, what can happen 229 00:15:41,000 --> 00:15:43,799 is they can shadow Bannis, so the algorithm make sure 230 00:15:43,799 --> 00:15:47,639 that nobody sees anything that we post online, and the 231 00:15:47,679 --> 00:15:51,399 oligarchs have the power to do that. They demonetize us, 232 00:15:51,840 --> 00:15:54,759 so now we can't do what we do full time. 233 00:15:54,840 --> 00:16:00,279 At least they ban the channel. Now we're really looking 234 00:16:00,320 --> 00:16:03,600 at a shutdown. And I would have never thought that 235 00:16:03,720 --> 00:16:08,320 any of us could be prosecuted, fined or worse for 236 00:16:08,399 --> 00:16:11,759 having the opinions that we have, But holy shit, how 237 00:16:11,799 --> 00:16:14,399 can it not be on the table after all that 238 00:16:14,519 --> 00:16:19,840 we have seen. Jesus, they're zip tying children in the streets. 239 00:16:21,200 --> 00:16:25,919 They've declared that seven million marchers from October the eighteenth 240 00:16:26,159 --> 00:16:33,759 are apparently either crisis actors or pro Hamas Antifa agents. Yeah, yeah, 241 00:16:33,799 --> 00:16:35,960 we're all in the crosshairs. And so Natalie and I 242 00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:38,360 were sitting in our living room. We're just sitting on 243 00:16:38,360 --> 00:16:41,639 the couch and we're talking very candidly. And now I'm 244 00:16:41,639 --> 00:16:45,519 not a spring chicken, fifty seven year old guy with 245 00:16:46,480 --> 00:16:51,399 how many years sixteen years of being an activist, eleven years, 246 00:16:51,720 --> 00:16:57,240 ten years, full time activist for ten years. And let's 247 00:16:57,320 --> 00:16:59,840 say that they come in and they shut me down 248 00:17:00,759 --> 00:17:03,399 and they say no more. That's tens of thousands of 249 00:17:03,519 --> 00:17:07,799 hours of content, creation, of perspectives, of free speech, of 250 00:17:07,960 --> 00:17:12,319 production that are just gone, just wiped off the map. 251 00:17:12,640 --> 00:17:18,079 And then one, I mean, Natalie works. But who's how 252 00:17:18,119 --> 00:17:20,519 are we going to How are we going to sustain 253 00:17:20,599 --> 00:17:23,720 ourselves long term? Will we have to sell the house? 254 00:17:23,759 --> 00:17:27,720 And what would we buy? And where? At what interest rates? God, 255 00:17:27,839 --> 00:17:31,000 we got in how many years ago we got in 256 00:17:31,039 --> 00:17:34,400 at three percent? We got in at three percent on 257 00:17:34,480 --> 00:17:37,319 the house, and now I think the interest rate is double. 258 00:17:37,480 --> 00:17:40,079 So that's going to cost a ton more. And if 259 00:17:40,119 --> 00:17:42,480 we want to get out of this state, you know, 260 00:17:42,960 --> 00:17:46,920 white bread, corn fed, strawberry red Oklahoma, we want to 261 00:17:46,960 --> 00:17:51,079 move to more enlightened waters than the cost of living skyrockets. 262 00:17:51,559 --> 00:17:55,200 Do we have to deplete our savings our retirement account, 263 00:17:55,279 --> 00:17:57,480 which isn't that big in the first place. Do we 264 00:17:57,519 --> 00:18:00,759 have to bleed that dry? Just to survey? What do 265 00:18:00,839 --> 00:18:06,240 I do for a living? Imagine somebody googling my name 266 00:18:06,799 --> 00:18:13,559 on an employee search. You know, the HR department is like, oh, lookie, 267 00:18:13,880 --> 00:18:17,519 look at this guy. I don't know. My skills are 268 00:18:17,559 --> 00:18:20,440 as a producer, as a writer, as a content creator, 269 00:18:20,480 --> 00:18:22,839 as a public speaker. How does that fit into the 270 00:18:22,880 --> 00:18:27,039 marketplace today? How does one essentially start over when they're 271 00:18:27,039 --> 00:18:31,039 pushing fifty eight and pushing it kind of hard. These 272 00:18:31,079 --> 00:18:35,640 are really really serious conversations that we've been having. What if, 273 00:18:36,319 --> 00:18:40,960 what if I'd become targeted as a domestic terrorist. I 274 00:18:41,000 --> 00:18:43,359 cannot believe I have to say these words out lot. 275 00:18:43,599 --> 00:18:45,359 So we're sitting there in the living room and we 276 00:18:45,480 --> 00:18:48,599 had that conversation. My phone rings and it's that guy. 277 00:18:48,640 --> 00:18:52,160 It's my friend, and he dials me up and he 278 00:18:52,279 --> 00:18:55,000 was talking about a tennis matcher. I think we'd come 279 00:18:55,000 --> 00:18:57,799 off a tournament and we played over here at a 280 00:18:57,839 --> 00:19:01,960 club called the Fortune, and he's like, how you doing? 281 00:19:02,599 --> 00:19:04,799 And I just was very candid and I said, well, 282 00:19:05,960 --> 00:19:08,279 I said, Natalie, and I've been sitting here discussing what 283 00:19:08,400 --> 00:19:12,480 in the world my life would look like, because you know, 284 00:19:12,559 --> 00:19:20,440 Trump just had this memorandum, this NSPM seven, which says 285 00:19:20,480 --> 00:19:25,400 that anybody who is quote unquote anti Christian might be 286 00:19:25,440 --> 00:19:29,799 a domestic terrorist and there could be consequences, penalties, like, 287 00:19:29,920 --> 00:19:33,799 you know, if I'm shut down. We're trying to figure 288 00:19:33,839 --> 00:19:40,200 out how we'll survive. Very seriously, I said this, and 289 00:19:40,279 --> 00:19:45,480 his first response was, well, you know, you know what, 290 00:19:45,559 --> 00:19:48,279 I promise, I won't turn you in. I won't turn 291 00:19:48,319 --> 00:19:51,480 you you know, unless the money's really good, and then 292 00:19:51,519 --> 00:20:01,200 I'll split it with Natalie. Ha ha ha. And I 293 00:20:01,200 --> 00:20:05,640 I got off the phone pretty quickly and I told 294 00:20:05,759 --> 00:20:10,240 Natalie I'm like, I mean, the obvious would hit me. 295 00:20:10,519 --> 00:20:19,480 He's not my people. He's a surface person. You and I, Honey, 296 00:20:19,519 --> 00:20:24,319 we're at a point where we need root people. How 297 00:20:24,359 --> 00:20:28,880 could I be confident that this person that I've known 298 00:20:28,960 --> 00:20:34,079 for so long would have my back out there if 299 00:20:34,200 --> 00:20:36,920 this came up. P'd either maybe maybe he doesn't buy it. 300 00:20:38,319 --> 00:20:40,599 I would wager that's the reason he was sort of 301 00:20:41,039 --> 00:20:43,720 ha ha, you know, maybe he just didn't get it. Oh, 302 00:20:43,839 --> 00:20:46,720 come on, they're not going to shut you down this America. 303 00:20:47,079 --> 00:20:49,559 We're a free country. He's not really an enemy of 304 00:20:49,599 --> 00:20:54,079 free speech. This is just you know, everybody's everybody's ramped up. 305 00:20:54,119 --> 00:20:56,359 You probably read it on the internet, right, I mean, 306 00:20:56,480 --> 00:20:58,440 I don't think he ever thinks that I would be 307 00:20:58,480 --> 00:21:00,920 shut down. I don't think his brain clocked it in 308 00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:05,079 that way. But the fact that I was expressing it 309 00:21:05,240 --> 00:21:08,599 so seriously and his first response was to just blow 310 00:21:08,640 --> 00:21:12,640 it off and make it a joke really really set 311 00:21:12,680 --> 00:21:18,160 the bile in my mouth. And I just I don't 312 00:21:18,200 --> 00:21:21,839 know what to do with it. I mean, I'm not 313 00:21:21,920 --> 00:21:26,200 calling him and he we have not been hanging. I'm 314 00:21:26,240 --> 00:21:29,920 sure he's probably realized, Hey, you know, we're not really 315 00:21:29,960 --> 00:21:33,359 seeing each other much anymore unless we bomb elbows on 316 00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:46,000 the tennis court surface. People root people, and there are 317 00:21:46,079 --> 00:21:53,880 so very few of them. Think about your own life. 318 00:21:54,480 --> 00:21:56,640 I'll bet you can maybe kind of them on one hand, 319 00:21:58,400 --> 00:22:02,839 maybe two hands. If your lucky route people hell or 320 00:22:02,960 --> 00:22:06,839 high water, I understand, or if I don't always understand, 321 00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:09,480 at least I have empathy and feeling and I care 322 00:22:10,039 --> 00:22:13,039 and tell me about it. Imagine that conversation if I 323 00:22:13,079 --> 00:22:17,400 had been like, what happens if I am shot down 324 00:22:17,519 --> 00:22:23,480 by the government in a country that's supposed to allow 325 00:22:23,559 --> 00:22:29,559 me to speak and express myself freely, what happens? Imagine 326 00:22:29,559 --> 00:22:33,000 if his response had been, well, is that really happening? 327 00:22:34,799 --> 00:22:37,240 And tell me more about that? Because it's not what 328 00:22:37,319 --> 00:22:40,519 I've heard. But you know you're my friend and I'm 329 00:22:40,559 --> 00:22:43,839 concerned about you, and you know I support your right 330 00:22:43,920 --> 00:22:48,000 to speak, So can you give me some more information here? 331 00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:51,759 I mean, I if this is real, it's something I 332 00:22:51,799 --> 00:22:55,839 would want to know. And I support you, man, I 333 00:22:55,880 --> 00:22:59,160 support your right to I support you. I think you 334 00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:01,599 know we disagree, but you have the right to disagree, 335 00:23:01,640 --> 00:23:04,400 and I think that's part of who we are as America. 336 00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:07,559 And if anything ever happens, you know we're going to 337 00:23:07,599 --> 00:23:10,200 be here for you. We're going to be here whatever 338 00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:15,920 you need. And that's to me a relatively reasonable response. 339 00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:19,039 I think that would be a root person response, don't 340 00:23:19,039 --> 00:23:28,160 you The last months, the last years have been a revelation. 341 00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:31,160 They've been a black light. They've been a spotlight. They've 342 00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:35,160 been a white light on so many of the relationships 343 00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:37,519 that you and I used to just sort of not 344 00:23:37,799 --> 00:23:41,880 examine that deeply. You really get to know people when 345 00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:44,000 the shit hits the fan. You really get to know 346 00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:51,079 people when crisis happen. I don't know, crisis. Is that 347 00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:54,599 the word crisis? I guess I'm sure it is crisis 348 00:23:55,119 --> 00:23:58,440 right now. Right now, they're ripping down the East wall 349 00:23:58,519 --> 00:24:01,400 of the White House so that Trump can add on 350 00:24:01,519 --> 00:24:09,640 his ballroom, and millions of magas probably my friend, are like, oh, 351 00:24:09,759 --> 00:24:13,240 you know, the place probably needed a facelift anyway. They 352 00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:16,039 don't see the destruction of history. They don't see the 353 00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:19,440 people's house being shredded. They don't see a guy who 354 00:24:19,519 --> 00:24:23,359 doesn't act like he's moving out anytime soon. They don't 355 00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:27,640 see that. They're like, uh, it's wood, it's wood and 356 00:24:27,759 --> 00:24:31,839 concrete and mortar whatever. You know, ballroom's going to be amazing. 357 00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:34,240 I mean, look at what he's done with the Oval Office. 358 00:24:34,599 --> 00:24:37,400 Have you seen all the gold, like the cheap ass 359 00:24:37,559 --> 00:24:41,000 gold stuff that he has decorated the Oval Office with. 360 00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:44,880 It looks like a bad televangelist TV set. You ever 361 00:24:44,920 --> 00:24:49,279 watched TBN. I think TBN's still on the air. Trinity 362 00:24:49,319 --> 00:24:52,559 Broadcasting Network was really big in the eighties and nineties, 363 00:24:52,559 --> 00:24:55,200 and I think they're still around. But a lot of 364 00:24:55,200 --> 00:25:00,799 these evangelist television shows would have an hour a day, 365 00:25:00,839 --> 00:25:04,480 even if people these sort of hair sprayed preachers. He 366 00:25:04,559 --> 00:25:08,559 would sit in these really ornate gilded chairs and on 367 00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:12,400 these big Fufi couches and they would essentially talk about 368 00:25:12,599 --> 00:25:16,480 Jesush and they would quote the Bible to you, and 369 00:25:16,519 --> 00:25:19,440 then they would of course say, support the ministry. Send 370 00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:22,519 us your faith seed, and the Lord will return it 371 00:25:22,599 --> 00:25:25,480 unto the casht your bread upon the water, and it 372 00:25:25,559 --> 00:25:29,200 shall return unto you tenfold. Just give you your money, 373 00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:34,359 We take visa MasterCard, discover an American Express. Yes we do, right, 374 00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:37,599 what's that, George Carlin Lyne. God loves you and he 375 00:25:37,799 --> 00:25:45,720 needs money. But all around them was the most gaudy, ugly, 376 00:25:46,599 --> 00:25:51,200 gold spray painted ugliness you have ever seen. A friend 377 00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:53,920 of mine said, it is what a great many poor 378 00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:58,400 people think wealth might look like. It's the equivalent of 379 00:25:58,599 --> 00:26:01,559 Donald Trump's golden bear baby carriage. Did you see that 380 00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:04,079 photo from I don't know, years ago. It's him and 381 00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:06,480 Milania and the kids, and they're in this room and 382 00:26:06,519 --> 00:26:09,720 it's got like stuffed lions and tigers and everything's gold 383 00:26:09,759 --> 00:26:12,440 in the background, and there's a golden baby carriage. It's 384 00:26:12,519 --> 00:26:18,519 just obscene. It's not classy, it's not elegant, it's not luxurious. 385 00:26:18,599 --> 00:26:23,119 It's just tacky. It's like Vegas vomited all over the 386 00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:25,839 Trump family. And that's what he's done through the Oval Office, 387 00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:27,680 and that's what he's going to do to the ballroom. 388 00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:32,400 It's obscene. It's obscene, and people like my friend, I 389 00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:36,200 don't hear a peep about it. I don't hear any protests. 390 00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:41,960 I don't hear any concern Jesus. You know, as you 391 00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:45,599 get older. I think as you get older, you get 392 00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:52,359 less patient with dumb stuff and stupid people. And I 393 00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:56,400 don't think I'm supposed to say some people are stupid. Seth, 394 00:26:56,440 --> 00:27:00,720 why are you using the word stupid. Well, there's stupid 395 00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:04,799 in this world. There's an epidemic. I'm not talking about ignorance, 396 00:27:04,799 --> 00:27:08,599 which can be fixed. We've all been ignorant, and we've 397 00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:11,440 all been stupid. Right, we had the knowledge and we 398 00:27:11,519 --> 00:27:14,240 did you know, we knew what was right. We did 399 00:27:14,279 --> 00:27:18,599 the wrong thing. Anyway, that's stupid. You are just as 400 00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:21,480 thick as a post and you get yourself into real 401 00:27:21,559 --> 00:27:25,680 trouble because you acted stupidly. We've had stupid thoughts. I 402 00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:27,799 don't have a problem saying the word. You know, when 403 00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:29,720 we were growing up, they used to say, there's no 404 00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:33,480 such thing as a stupid question. Oh hell no, there's 405 00:27:33,519 --> 00:27:36,359 a shit ton of stupid questions in this world. I'm 406 00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:40,359 sorry anyway, And then you look around and You're like, 407 00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:44,440 there's an epidemic. There's a cancer stupid, the cancer of 408 00:27:44,559 --> 00:27:49,200 cruel there's a cancer of short sightedness, of myopia, of bigotry, 409 00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:54,480 of just being lazy. It's like when you and I 410 00:27:54,599 --> 00:27:59,759 talk about the Bible, do you know the Bible's true? Yep? 411 00:28:00,599 --> 00:28:03,440 What do you think about this story? Well? I haven't 412 00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:08,160 read it. Do you know who wrote this book? Well? No, 413 00:28:08,319 --> 00:28:11,200 I can't tell you that. How often do you read 414 00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:11,680 the Bible? 415 00:28:11,839 --> 00:28:12,039 Speaker 1: Eh? 416 00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:15,319 Speaker 2: You know, we not really? I got a few. They're 417 00:28:15,319 --> 00:28:17,680 on the nightstand. I got one in the drawer in 418 00:28:17,759 --> 00:28:20,119 the you know, in the built in cabinets in the 419 00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:20,680 living room. 420 00:28:20,799 --> 00:28:20,960 Speaker 1: You know. 421 00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:23,599 Speaker 2: I mean I should read the Bible more. I should 422 00:28:23,599 --> 00:28:28,920 have more quiet time with Jesus. Yeah. You want to 423 00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:30,720 know who knows the Bible, You got to talk to 424 00:28:30,759 --> 00:28:36,079 an atheist or a Jewish person. Statistically, atheists and Jews 425 00:28:36,599 --> 00:28:40,079 are more Bible knowledgeable than everybody else. Well, how's that, 426 00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:45,319 even jib they're not. In many cases, it's not just ignorance, 427 00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:47,759 it's that you've got the whole thing. You've got all 428 00:28:47,799 --> 00:28:51,480 sixty six books, You've got all the letters of the 429 00:28:51,599 --> 00:28:55,839 Christian scriptures front and center in multiple copies and you 430 00:28:56,079 --> 00:29:00,279 don't read it. Now, we're not just ignorant. This is 431 00:29:00,319 --> 00:29:03,799 just stupid to say, well, it's true, I wonder what 432 00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:09,720 it says. It's the same with evolution. I don't understand it, 433 00:29:09,759 --> 00:29:12,000 and I never read on the origin of species. I've 434 00:29:12,039 --> 00:29:14,799 never taken a true biology class that wasn't taught by 435 00:29:14,839 --> 00:29:18,359 a pastor or something. But I know evolution is bogus 436 00:29:18,359 --> 00:29:20,480 and false. And that's just the stand I'm going to take. 437 00:29:20,519 --> 00:29:23,599 We've gone past ignorance. Now we're just stupid. How do 438 00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:26,359 I respect that? When I talked to this guy and 439 00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:29,559 he's like, oh, you know what, ah ah, they could 440 00:29:29,599 --> 00:29:33,799 all be paid actors. Here's a Craigslist dad. Somebody posted 441 00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:36,920 was it fox News? Who had said? You know what, 442 00:29:37,559 --> 00:29:42,640 it's suspected that George Soros and George Soros is a 443 00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:46,599 favorite target of the right, which is weird because I 444 00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:49,839 thought they loved billionaires. The guy was born in Hungary 445 00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:54,759 and he immigrated to the United States. He is a 446 00:29:54,799 --> 00:29:57,039 big wig with a lot of money. He's written books. 447 00:29:57,039 --> 00:30:02,960 He's a philanthropist. He is chairman of the Open Society Foundations, 448 00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:06,319 which does a lot of charity work. He has donated 449 00:30:06,359 --> 00:30:11,359 to Democratic political candidates. Oh okay, now the dots are 450 00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:16,519 starting to line up, right. He has a background in economics, 451 00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:19,640 and he's lived here since nineteen fifty six. And yet, 452 00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:25,039 for some reason, in the Fox News Newsmax Oan you 453 00:30:25,119 --> 00:30:29,200 know Magas story, George Soros is part of this shadow network. 454 00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:32,359 He's you know, he's out there doing all this stuff. 455 00:30:32,359 --> 00:30:35,319 And so Fox News says, you know what, it has 456 00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:39,680 been claimed, George Soros paid five hundred dollars to the 457 00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:44,759 protesters on October the eighteenth, the seven million people. Wait 458 00:30:44,759 --> 00:30:46,680 a minute, hang on, let me do the math on 459 00:30:46,759 --> 00:30:57,559 that calculator. Five hundred times seven? Oh oh and another 460 00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:03,119 or zero? You ever do that? Zero? Both work? Uh? 461 00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:17,640 Go on to three billion. George Sorow's paid three billion, 462 00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:22,440 five hundred million dollars to people that he apparently found 463 00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:32,480 on Craigslist. You know, Fox News doesn't think their audience 464 00:31:32,559 --> 00:31:39,839 is stupid. They know they're stupid. They the ignorance can 465 00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:46,319 be fixed, but stupid maybe forever. Who says, Okay, there 466 00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:53,880 were seven million individual private transactions between George Soros and 467 00:31:54,319 --> 00:31:59,720 American citizen actors, and each of those transactions has been 468 00:31:59,799 --> 00:32:04,240 said successfully covered up, and the conspiracy has not been 469 00:32:04,519 --> 00:32:07,359 revealed or proven. You got to be shitting me. What's 470 00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:11,039 that line from The Irishman with Robert de Niro? He said, 471 00:32:11,079 --> 00:32:13,960 you know three people can keep a secret, but only 472 00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:19,799 if two of them are dead. How stupid do you 473 00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:24,559 have to be? Sean Hannity, I swear to you, Sean Hannity, 474 00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:31,119 Megan Kelly, right, the Fox and Friends crew, Brian kill Me, 475 00:32:31,799 --> 00:32:34,480 who by the way, still hasn't been held the task 476 00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:37,599 for his little zinger on the Morning show on Fox 477 00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:43,680 News where he said we ought to just execute the homeless. God, 478 00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:50,079 they ban Jimmy Kimmel, right, they ban him for being offensive, 479 00:32:50,799 --> 00:32:53,480 and Brian kill Me. They pat him on the knuckle 480 00:32:53,559 --> 00:32:56,880 and say, you have been a bad boy. You should 481 00:32:56,920 --> 00:33:00,319 probably come forward and say just a tiny apology. And 482 00:33:00,319 --> 00:33:04,200 then we're going to have a cultural amnesia where nobody 483 00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:07,680 even remembers it happened. The guys said we should execute 484 00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:12,319 the homeless, and so if somebody is a Fox News 485 00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:17,559 viewer and they're like, ah uh, yeah, that's not ignorance, 486 00:33:18,359 --> 00:33:23,720 that's just stupid. These are people who couldn't tell you 487 00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:26,559 if an elevator was going up or down, even if 488 00:33:26,599 --> 00:33:32,920 they had two guesses. They should carry plants to make 489 00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:38,680 up for the oxygen they're wasting. If they somehow get 490 00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:45,960 lost in thought, they never return. What's that line, if 491 00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:48,880 they ever had a clever thought, that thought went out 492 00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:51,960 and died alone and afraid. You know what I'm saying. 493 00:33:53,599 --> 00:33:57,480 How many people have diarrhea of the mouth, but constipation 494 00:33:58,119 --> 00:34:04,480 on the brain. And they vote, and they influence, and 495 00:34:05,119 --> 00:34:10,559 they graze our lives. They tumble weed across the surface 496 00:34:12,679 --> 00:34:18,840 surface people. Maybe not even that. Maybe we just see 497 00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:21,239 each other from afar and you and I look and say, 498 00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:25,119 I want nothing to do with that. I want I 499 00:34:25,159 --> 00:34:27,880 want nothing to do with that. Then I get it. 500 00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:32,039 I feel the same way. I have reduced my social circle. 501 00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:37,000 I'm thankful for this community. I'm going to Albuquerque this weekend. 502 00:34:37,079 --> 00:34:39,079 I'm going to be speaking on Saturday morning to the 503 00:34:39,159 --> 00:34:42,639 Humanist Society of New Mexico. I'm looking forward to being 504 00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:48,360 among my people, humanists good for goodness sake, who are 505 00:34:48,519 --> 00:34:52,360 grieved by the crazy shit that's going on around us. 506 00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:55,440 And we can come together and we can be reminded 507 00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:57,960 of the good and we can say we're going to 508 00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:00,719 work together and do what we can try to fix 509 00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:04,400 what is broken. But the arsonists have gone crazy, So 510 00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:09,599 you know, to we can vent about our despair and 511 00:35:09,679 --> 00:35:13,480 our fears. We can talk about the things that matter 512 00:35:13,639 --> 00:35:18,280 on a root level, not a surface level. Roots people. 513 00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:20,719 I don't know. That's just what I was thinking about today. 514 00:35:21,119 --> 00:35:24,960 I don't have a destination for this little diatribe of mine, 515 00:35:25,119 --> 00:35:27,679 Like I don't have a satisfying place to take you. 516 00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:30,880 I'm not going to take calls. 517 00:35:31,079 --> 00:35:32,079 Speaker 1: I just. 518 00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:38,119 Speaker 2: On my drive back, I had so much that was 519 00:35:38,199 --> 00:35:41,480 just spinning around in my skull, and so I thought, okay, fine, 520 00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:49,400 I just I just hit start, you know podcast, start 521 00:35:50,599 --> 00:35:54,960 wondering if maybe you can relate, if you've gone through 522 00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:56,960 it in your own life. We've had people who have 523 00:35:57,559 --> 00:36:00,719 not just fallen by the wayside. Maybe you have taken 524 00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:05,320 them and you have removed them. I've had there have 525 00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:08,760 been spouses who have divorced each other because this was 526 00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:11,480 a black light on the relationship. Is this really what 527 00:36:11,519 --> 00:36:14,000 you think? Is this really how you feel? Is this 528 00:36:14,079 --> 00:36:17,039 really what your values are? I can't live with that. 529 00:36:17,119 --> 00:36:19,119 I don't want to be under the same roof as that. 530 00:36:19,519 --> 00:36:22,920 I don't have to abide that. And they just signed 531 00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:26,599 the divorce paper and draw that boom you're gone. You know, 532 00:36:26,679 --> 00:36:32,159 life's too short. That's happened. There have been news reports 533 00:36:32,159 --> 00:36:34,880 about all these marriages that have ended in the time 534 00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:37,880 of Trump. Friendships have gone by the wayside. People are 535 00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:41,360 not going to go to the holiday events with their family. Jesus, 536 00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:44,039 I'm having my own conversation. Do I really want to 537 00:36:44,079 --> 00:36:46,719 be in the room with a mother I haven't spoken 538 00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:50,239 to in I don't know, it's been well over a year, 539 00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:54,559 because of boundaries, because of disrespect. How in the world 540 00:36:54,559 --> 00:36:57,480 do we even have family time when she and I 541 00:36:57,519 --> 00:37:04,599 are in close proximity and boundaries have been violated. We're estranged, 542 00:37:04,679 --> 00:37:08,000 we're separated. What are we going to talk about? Hey? 543 00:37:08,039 --> 00:37:11,840 How you been? You know? Wow, nice weather we're having. 544 00:37:12,519 --> 00:37:16,199 By the way, do you still support the White House 545 00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:24,039 demolishing democracy, demolishing pussy grabbing, grifting, sociopathic, cruel, childish, petulant 546 00:37:24,079 --> 00:37:27,159 piece of garbage that is in the White House today? 547 00:37:27,199 --> 00:37:31,239 I'm just scarious just making conversation. I mean, because that's 548 00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:34,880 what I'm going to want to say, That's what past 549 00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:42,360 the gravy. No, I'm not making this up. When I 550 00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:46,559 say that it does feel good to have you, I 551 00:37:46,599 --> 00:37:52,079 am fully aware that we don't know each other in 552 00:37:52,159 --> 00:37:55,119 many ways on a peer to peer one on one 553 00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:58,239 we live our lives every day in close proximity level. 554 00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:02,039 But I will say, whenever you and I meet each other, 555 00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:04,360 and when you call into the shows, and when you're 556 00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:07,239 part of this community, I do I feel of a 557 00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:12,639 version a version of root people. You know what I mean? 558 00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:18,480 Like if something was to go down, or if you 559 00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:21,880 were to express the angster or the concern or the 560 00:38:22,199 --> 00:38:26,639 anger that you were feeling, that you wouldn't abandon me 561 00:38:26,639 --> 00:38:31,559 and I wouldn't abandon you. And your first response would be, WHOA, 562 00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:34,559 tell me more about it? How are you feeling? What 563 00:38:34,599 --> 00:38:38,079 can I do? You know? That's root people type stuff? 564 00:38:38,119 --> 00:38:40,199 I mean, it's not. It's I think it's a different 565 00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:43,039 version of it. Maybe there's a different term for it. 566 00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:47,159 But I guess I'll finish here by thanking you, thank you, 567 00:38:50,199 --> 00:38:57,400 thank you, good medicine. Isn't it to know that when 568 00:38:57,400 --> 00:38:59,880 there were so many people who drift by, tumble by, 569 00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:04,360 or just leave or maybe you kick them out, there 570 00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:08,280 are many others who have not lost their fucking minds 571 00:39:09,559 --> 00:39:15,280 or their moral center or their reason centers, or their 572 00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:19,039 compassion and their empathy and perspective and desire to make 573 00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:22,599 this country, in the world and each other better. Those 574 00:39:22,679 --> 00:39:26,400 people are still there and you, to me, are a 575 00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:30,199 reminder of that. Forgive me for sounding like a Hallmark movie, 576 00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:32,960 but that's how I'm going to wrap it up today. 577 00:39:33,039 --> 00:39:37,079 Thanks for being so patient as I I don't know 578 00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:41,760 do what I did, as I just did what I did. 579 00:39:42,199 --> 00:39:45,159 All right. We'll see you back here on the next 580 00:39:45,199 --> 00:39:48,880 one for the official podcast, and until then, take care. 581 00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:53,000 Speaker 1: Follow The Thinking Atheist on Facebook and Twitter for a 582 00:39:53,079 --> 00:39:56,679 complete archive of podcasts and videos, products like mugs and 583 00:39:56,719 --> 00:39:59,920 t shirts featuring the Thinking Atheist logo, links to a 584 00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:03,719 atheist pages and resources, and details on upcoming free thought 585 00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:11,320 events and conventions. Log onto our website, The Thinkingatheist dot com.