Speaker 1: This is really going to get long and involved. This
Speaker 1: is where we take our deep breaths, because the topic
Speaker 1: list is very, very long, inasmuch as we poke fun
Speaker 1: at it. Sometimes. The reason that we do cards and
Speaker 1: calls and reughing down here on the grander scale is
Speaker 1: so we all can sit there and we can watch
Speaker 1: the game together. Want to see the game improve and
Speaker 1: want to see officiating improve to where it is consistent.
Speaker 1: And like I said, this is going to be coming
Speaker 1: across as somewhat Pollyanna ish, so I apologize for the paragraph.
Speaker 1: We do this because of moments that we see, Moments
Speaker 1: that we see that concern us, Moments that we see
Speaker 1: that should be under common sense be called in certain
Speaker 1: ways but are not.
Speaker 2: And we believe it's almost like the sunshine law.
Speaker 1: The best things that you can do is sit there
Speaker 1: and you can put the sun on something to give
Speaker 1: it the exposure that you feel that it needs, because
Speaker 1: if it's allowed to exist in darkness, then it will
Speaker 1: continue to grow. So we have these moments every single
Speaker 1: week where we bring in Bart Keeler. We walk through
Speaker 1: the events themselves, we walk through the chaos itself, so
Speaker 1: we're all reminded about how the game can be better
Speaker 1: if we continue to look at these events as they are.
Speaker 1: And so Bart, my five paragraph essay is now out
Speaker 1: of the way and it's time to take a deep
Speaker 1: breath for a Monday. What's the what's the mug today, sir?
Speaker 3: This is Mudham Arabia, a mug from them. So okay,
Speaker 3: TV show from Finland. It's got calming tea in it,
Speaker 3: the sing John, because yeah, Saturday was not calm.
Speaker 2: No it was not, No, no, it was not.
Speaker 1: I have one moment in particular that that is kind
Speaker 1: of a microcosm of the whole thing. And I mean
Speaker 1: we played I played the ending of the Atlanta United
Speaker 1: match with Jason and hour number one, but for those
Speaker 1: that are just kind of joining us, an hour number
Speaker 1: two and they played again. And it is the overarching
Speaker 1: comments about the crew that was at the Purple Barn
Speaker 1: for Atlanta United and Pumas on Saturday once again, ninety
Speaker 1: two nine game in the Odyssey.
Speaker 2: App Oh they blow for full time right there.
Speaker 3: Believable. This referee crew should never work another international match again.
Speaker 2: They are not capable of working a game at this level.
Speaker 1: Pumas wasted time with their substitutions and they wasted time
Speaker 1: with a red guard.
Speaker 2: And they got they made it happen.
Speaker 1: This referee crew should never work another game at this
Speaker 1: level again.
Speaker 2: They cannot handle it.
Speaker 1: N the game in the Odyssey app that was how
Speaker 1: the game ended, But we go into that. Do you
Speaker 1: just want to start at the beginning and go forward
Speaker 1: or are there particular events that you want to address
Speaker 1: and philosophy and consistency and crowding and because there are
Speaker 1: so many things that went wrong, this was like how
Speaker 1: not to literally this was this was a this was
Speaker 1: a manual and how not do? And yeah, I was
Speaker 1: had and I was trying to do some research on
Speaker 1: the center ref and I did notice and you can
Speaker 1: draw your own conclusions that the center ref in that
Speaker 1: match has spent a lot of time in the Costa
Speaker 1: Rican Primari League, getting a lot of his a lot
Speaker 1: of his reps and his red card. I want to
Speaker 1: say his red card to match ratio was about five
Speaker 1: one to five, so about every five matches he had
Speaker 1: a red card in the Costa Rican Premier League, where
Speaker 1: and this is a this is a gentleman who has
Speaker 1: been given.
Speaker 2: He's been given assignments all across the board.
Speaker 1: The VR VAR in this match for Pumas and Atlanta
Speaker 1: United was the gentleman in the Gold Cup in the
Speaker 1: TN t Haiti match who pulled the the penalty off
Speaker 1: the board by going to v R in the first half.
Speaker 1: So you had a couple of a couple of red
Speaker 1: flares that were sent up here. But you can draw
Speaker 1: your own conclusion about a riff that gets most of
Speaker 1: his reps in the Costa Rican Premier League and the
Speaker 1: nationality of the keeper for Pumas.
Speaker 3: I'm glad you made that connection. John. I'm not going
Speaker 3: to go in there and say that that is necessarily connected,
Speaker 3: but you cannot deny that the man who is a
Speaker 3: Costa Rican international referee allowed the Costa Rican national goalkeeper legend,
Speaker 3: one of the best players ever to come from this
Speaker 3: this region. He got. Where's the timeline he got?
Speaker 1: Well, So actually, here here's Sika and Sam. Here's Seka got.
Speaker 3: Fourteen No, let's see eight thirteen minus five, eight minutes
Speaker 3: from the time that Navas got a red card to
Speaker 3: Sleish taking the shot.
Speaker 1: So here is here is that moment in time seeking
Speaker 1: Sam on the call. Courtesy of our friends at Apple
Speaker 1: TV and the League's Cup. This is just a microcosm
Speaker 1: of the whole thing.
Speaker 4: Oh, he's a steal from Riley and he leads Jare
Speaker 4: out coach Navas, who takes him out a file here,
Speaker 4: what's going to be the call?
Speaker 2: A red card? So Pulmas will go down a man
Speaker 2: with about a minute remaining.
Speaker 5: More importantly, where this contact came, which I still think
Speaker 5: was outside the penalty area, and his sacrifice of himself
Speaker 5: might have still saved the day.
Speaker 6: Atlanta are not gonna benefit much from that red card,
Speaker 6: sadly for Atlanta Pans.
Speaker 2: Because you go around the goalkeeper, you.
Speaker 6: Force a red card, you have well less than thirty
Speaker 6: seconds to take advantage of being a man up.
Speaker 2: So it was quite a good result for Kayla.
Speaker 6: Navas said, you'll take you'll take a Reddit save a
Speaker 6: goal unless someone steps up in scores.
Speaker 2: Let's sake and Sam in real time.
Speaker 3: I do want to address that particular notion that Jason
Speaker 3: and Mike were particularly up said about, and I don't
Speaker 3: disagree with them being a little upset about the time
Speaker 3: wasting that Pumas unsurprisingly took part of. But as noted,
Speaker 3: it's not like the red card came in the second
Speaker 3: minute of six minutes of out a time. It did
Speaker 3: come at the end of what would have been six
Speaker 3: minutes of out of time. Now you probably could have
Speaker 3: added another minute or two even before that, based on
Speaker 3: substitutions and shenanigans. But I do think the one thing
Speaker 3: I'll say for this all this, I'm not giving the
Speaker 3: referee any credit, but it wasn't like we had a
Speaker 3: whole lot of time left in the added time to
Speaker 3: continue with the match. So the fact that the whistle
Speaker 3: blew fairly quickly after the free kick was taken and
Speaker 3: eventually cleared to me, wasn't that big of a deal.
Speaker 3: So I just I do need to put that out there,
Speaker 3: I think if we're gonna But at the same time,
Speaker 3: they don't have any real benefit of the doubt because
Speaker 3: from minute one to minute one and fifteen they decided
Speaker 3: to just not adjudicate this match and a fair and
Speaker 3: just proper manner. And I think there is some level
Speaker 3: of reality that a man whose only real workings are
Speaker 3: in the Costa Rican you know, top flight, is not
Speaker 3: prepared well enough for matches against legamkis and MLS. He
Speaker 3: does have international appearances, he does referee a lot on
Speaker 3: the international stage. He is a Conker Calf widely used referee,
Speaker 3: but not as many matches as probably you would want
Speaker 3: to see from a guy of that caliber. Quote caliber,
Speaker 3: He's no Oshane Nation, if you will. But you know,
Speaker 3: I do think that is something that does need to
Speaker 3: be critiqued. I mean, it was not good from start
Speaker 3: to finish, and Pumas was able to do whatever they
Speaker 3: wanted and get rewarded for it, and he let them
Speaker 3: run the show. It was not a very well controlled
Speaker 3: match by any stretch. You can talk about fouls and
Speaker 3: cards and all these things, the reality is that he
Speaker 3: did not control the match.
Speaker 2: Well.
Speaker 3: He had no control over the match, especially towards the end.
Speaker 3: And for one of the only times of this season
Speaker 3: we can actually say maybe the refereeing affected at land
Speaker 3: Nights ability to win a game. But and here's my
Speaker 3: snide comment at Landing itms darn good at losing games,
Speaker 3: and they figured out to lose another one tonight with
Speaker 3: the help of the referee.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, so explain not the first one, which
Speaker 1: was soft in general, but the second.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Okay, Oh so I will say for the first one, yeah,
Speaker 3: it was a foul.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Would we like to see at Landing knighted benefit that
Speaker 3: on the other end once or twice a season.
Speaker 2: Sure have we no, no, no, we have not no.
Speaker 3: But you know, I always just go back to that
Speaker 3: one that Brooks Lennon had back in I thin guess
Speaker 3: was twenty twenty one down in Miami where where he is?
Speaker 3: He was falling down already, and I'm like.
Speaker 1: Where where now, Brooks? And I think since then, Brooks
Speaker 1: has been given this moniker of being a thirty player.
Speaker 3: So if that's a dive, then this was a dive, right,
Speaker 3: I mean, come on now, So but at the end
Speaker 3: of the day, there's contact and if you see that,
Speaker 3: you're not, yes, not overturned.
Speaker 2: I mean I get it.
Speaker 1: But the but but second one though, yeah, the second
Speaker 1: one now, I have had it. I have had it
Speaker 1: expressed to me about this particular rule where if there
Speaker 1: is and it's basically.
Speaker 2: Like continuation in basquet ball, where so.
Speaker 1: Ronald and the player for Pumas, I mean, the foul
Speaker 1: happened fifteen yards, it started fifteen yards outside the eighteen,
Speaker 1: and so it's hand fighting and grabbing and it's almost
Speaker 1: to the point where it's fifty to fifty and there
Speaker 1: doesn't really seem to be you know, if you want
Speaker 1: to call advantage, you probably could. But then magically, as
Speaker 1: soon as the player gets to the edge of the eighteen,
Speaker 1: if not, the eighteen fall down go boom, and you
Speaker 1: end up with a moment where it's another opportunity for pumas.
Speaker 1: So but I have but I have been told that
Speaker 1: the rule states that if it starts outside the box
Speaker 1: and continues inside the box, then you are to award
Speaker 1: it toward the last act and not necessarily pay attention
Speaker 1: to the continuation.
Speaker 3: Well, it does depend on what a the foul is
Speaker 3: and b if they're still fouling them inside the penalty area.
Speaker 3: So I personally have not been able to fl a
Speaker 3: great angle of showing exactly where the foul stopped. Let's
Speaker 3: just put it that way. But I think it is
Speaker 3: fair to say from our vantage point on both you know,
Speaker 3: when you're looking at it from just live action and
Speaker 3: when you looked at any sort of replay that they
Speaker 3: had right, didn't feel like even the foul continued to
Speaker 3: that line, right, I think this is.
Speaker 2: What's the word you're looking for.
Speaker 3: I'm trying to, okay, John, I really am trying to
Speaker 3: not be a fan in this moment, because that's why
Speaker 3: I'm looking at it as a referee standpoint and going,
Speaker 3: if he calls that foul, yeah, outside of the penalty area,
Speaker 3: and you go, no, that's where the foul was. I
Speaker 3: don't think there's any real problem with that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, I think I think.
Speaker 3: To me that the error is if you're if you're
Speaker 3: going to err on the side of either side right
Speaker 3: of this, it makes more sense to say no, it
Speaker 3: wasn't in the penalty area and then yes, you can
Speaker 3: have our check okay, or you can go to the
Speaker 3: monitor and see. I think it is easier to say
Speaker 3: no penalty and then reverse to penalty if whatever magical
Speaker 3: angle you find it shows you, oh, no, it did
Speaker 3: actually happen on the line, because again, as long as
Speaker 3: you're touching it in part of that white you are
Speaker 3: then inside the penalty area. So that I think is
Speaker 3: where the error is calling it a penalty without really
Speaker 3: having a great vantage point that it was a penalty.
Speaker 3: And definitely, as you've noted, there was a lot of
Speaker 3: fouls that led to it. You could have easily said no, no, no,
Speaker 3: this is the foul we're calling. Because the foul that
Speaker 3: was the penalty wasn't something that happened directly on the line,
Speaker 3: And that's kind of where I agree that this foul
Speaker 3: occurred outside of the penalty area. The player just so
Speaker 3: happened to start falling once he went into the penalty area.
Speaker 3: And that's not what we call the foul right now.
Speaker 3: We call it where the where the foul occurred, which
Speaker 3: was outside of the penalty area. Yeah, but now let
Speaker 3: me slip into fan mode. This referee seemed hell bent
Speaker 3: on giving Pumas a penalty anytime they.
Speaker 2: Felt like it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that that is the unfortunate, Like, as a referee,
Speaker 3: you lose your integrity a bit. He lost a lot
Speaker 3: of integrity this match, and so it's easy to say, wow, man,
Speaker 3: this guy looked like he was favoring one team over
Speaker 3: the other, and it did feel that way. You're allowed,
Speaker 3: at Landed fans to feel that way because he himself
Speaker 3: abandoned his integrity a lot of times during this match.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And the reason that we bring you in for this
Speaker 1: particular segment for refing down here is while you are
Speaker 1: a fan, you're the one that it gets to read
Speaker 1: the rule book, take the classes, learn about what's going on.
Speaker 1: You watch from a a critical eye, and that's why
Speaker 1: I wanted to That's why we started this segment in
Speaker 1: the first place, was to look at things through a
Speaker 1: critical eye and educate us all as to what's going
Speaker 1: on through the mind of an official in these moments
Speaker 1: and where the approach is different, flawed, uh, needs improvement, whatever,
Speaker 1: you know. That's that's why we wanted to have you
Speaker 1: do this from the absolute beginning when we started. Well,
Speaker 1: so folks can understand what's going on in the mind
Speaker 1: of folks as we're analyzing these plays. Yes, we do
Speaker 1: get fired up about them, but I wanted to go
Speaker 1: through the laws of the game and kind of walk
Speaker 1: through it and then add the personality of the officials
Speaker 1: and all those other intangibles that are attached to plays
Speaker 1: that we see, yeah, and hope that we can be
Speaker 1: vigilant in wanting the game to be better.
Speaker 3: And again, for me, as a referee in a fan,
Speaker 3: I'm looking at it. I'm giving the referee the benefit
Speaker 3: of the doubt. I know how hard it is out there.
Speaker 3: I know what is going through their mind and the
Speaker 3: eight million decisions they have to make on the fly.
Speaker 3: I think referring soccer is way harder than any other
Speaker 3: sport because of the number of officials you have out
Speaker 3: there with true decision making power, Aka, you have one
Speaker 3: and you got twenty two dudes who have zero respect
Speaker 3: for you and very little respect for themselves and the
Speaker 3: other team at some points trying to make all this difficult.
Speaker 3: But again, when you choose to see a game in
Speaker 3: a certain way, which is what it felt like, then
Speaker 3: it's easier for me to criticize you because it did
Speaker 3: feel like there was a field tilt towards one team
Speaker 3: and not the other based on the fact that two
Speaker 3: penalties were given that look, the first one, there's contact.
Speaker 3: Is it soft? Yes, don't stick you like out Brooks.
Speaker 3: That's my analysis of that. You know, that is a
Speaker 3: if I'm ever teaching kids how to play soccer her
Speaker 3: as a defender, don't leave your legout and as an
Speaker 3: attacker fall down, you know, And and it's like, well, yeah, man,
Speaker 3: it's soft. But also you like dad gummet, you know,
Speaker 3: that's the that's the reaction you are allowed to have.
Speaker 5: It.
Speaker 3: It is funny, though, John, I think we were on
Speaker 3: this not even a week ago, I guess totally. Yeah,
Speaker 3: not even a week ago, because it was Friday, we
Speaker 3: were talking about a penalty that was taken away from
Speaker 3: Atlantic nighted.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So I do question the var consistency because there
Speaker 3: was contact, yeah, and they took it away. So that
Speaker 3: is another thing I am questioning, is what is this
Speaker 3: var consistency for match to match even in you know it's.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, there are a couple of other things
Speaker 1: from the match that's stuck out. You're talking about iniquity
Speaker 1: when it comes to just delivering yellow cards in general,
Speaker 1: it is giving yellow cards for the Philadelphia Union playbook
Speaker 1: being exercised by Pumas. When it comes to slow substitutions,
Speaker 1: it's like uh oh oh oh. You know it's like
Speaker 1: you know, al Chervich breaks it breaks his elbow and
Speaker 1: it's like, oh my arm. You sit down, you sit there,
Speaker 1: you catch your breath. Man, I'm exhausted. Oh you're being
Speaker 1: subbed out, okay, and then you're slow on the walk off.
Speaker 1: And then I think we finally did get a yellow
Speaker 1: card for someone who was taking their own sweet time. Yeah,
Speaker 1: to at the very end, the very end, then you
Speaker 1: have let's see what am I missing? So oh, taking
Speaker 1: the denying the taking of a quick free kick was
Speaker 1: another thing. That I noticed in the match. When it
Speaker 1: comes to a foul and a team wants to take
Speaker 1: a quick free kick, what's going through an official's mind
Speaker 1: to either A allow them to do it or B
Speaker 1: sit there and go no, you can't, or telling see
Speaker 1: the team that is trying to stand in front of
Speaker 1: the ball so there is no quick free kick. Back
Speaker 1: the blank up.
Speaker 3: See here's the thing, John. In a normal world, I
Speaker 3: would say you get the benefit of it. Doubt once,
Speaker 3: maybe twice. Hey back up, Hey, don't do that again.
Speaker 3: You know again, setting a wall as long as you're
Speaker 3: trying to give it ten yards and look counting as hard.
Speaker 3: You know, being relatively far enough away from the ball
Speaker 3: when you're trying to set up a wall or whatever
Speaker 3: is fine. It's the walking in front of it, standing
Speaker 3: in front of it. Those things are where personally I
Speaker 3: get really annoyed. And as a referee we've kind of
Speaker 3: been directed to like not allow those things to happen,
Speaker 3: because again, if you start setting your while of four
Speaker 3: yards away, we all know what you're doing, but it's
Speaker 3: in the realm of like, well, okay, I'll back you up.
Speaker 3: And to be quite most of the time the attacker
Speaker 3: is going to want that anyway. But it's the delaying
Speaker 3: the quick restart that is kind of the problem. A
Speaker 3: lot of times that is not supposed to be allowed
Speaker 3: to happen, and that's usually where you get the player
Speaker 3: who runs up right on the ball and stops and again,
Speaker 3: you make it once, you make it twice. But for
Speaker 3: me personally, after the second time that a team does it,
Speaker 3: not even a player a team, we're getting yellow cards
Speaker 3: out because that is something that is deliberately trying to
Speaker 3: delay the restart of play, which John is a cautionable
Speaker 3: offense if you read the laws of the game, which
Speaker 3: I suggest mister Nava or not. No Herrera does Ron Kaylor.
Speaker 3: I also suggest, probably Kaylor Navis read the laws of
Speaker 3: the game, because you're not supposed to handle the ball
Speaker 3: outside the penaltyary. And for some reason he was trying
Speaker 3: to argue that, which was the craziest thing ever. And
Speaker 3: that's where half of the I feel like eight minutes
Speaker 3: came up with him trying to say, no, I didn't
Speaker 3: handle the ball, as he clearly handled the ball, or
Speaker 3: even if he didn't handle the ball, took a whole
Speaker 3: player out in a dog show situation. But yes, John,
Speaker 3: You're not supposed to be standing in front of the penalty,
Speaker 3: in front of a free kick after a foul that
Speaker 3: should be a cautionable offense. It's right there in the
Speaker 3: laws of the game.
Speaker 1: Now red cards and issuing the removal of a player,
Speaker 1: it's like your fam you got to go. This did
Speaker 1: not happen with Kaylor Novice after the fact, and added
Speaker 1: another level of Shenanigan to this whole thing where.
Speaker 3: You have.
Speaker 1: Kaylor basically directing as Jarrett joins us, Kayler Novice basically
Speaker 1: directing Angulo and it's like setting up walls directing Angoula,
Speaker 1: where's the free kick going?
Speaker 2: All these kinds of things you had.
Speaker 1: You had basically coaching going on from Kayler Novice on
Speaker 1: the pitch, and it basically took Brad Gazane at center
Speaker 1: circle to remind Kaylor Novis, you're not supposed to be
Speaker 1: here anymore. And finally security you know the muscle, and
Speaker 1: Brad Gazane finally encouraged to Kaylor Novice to finally leave.
Speaker 1: That was another element of all of this timely removal
Speaker 1: of a player who got a red card.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so look, we all understand in the var era
Speaker 3: that you're probably gonna take a little longer to walk
Speaker 3: off the field so that Var can look at the
Speaker 3: review again. I don't know what he expected Var to
Speaker 3: look at. When he clearly handles the balls out of
Speaker 3: the punetaria, plus takes the whole player down in an
Speaker 3: attempt to do so, it's a red card all day long.
Speaker 3: I think Kaylor Nobvias knew what he was doing. What
Speaker 3: bothers me is it's not that he helps the player
Speaker 3: put the jersey on, because okay, fine, whatever, you got
Speaker 3: to take years off and give it him or whatever
Speaker 3: you know you want to say it, Just again, when
Speaker 3: you have eight minutes from red card to free kick,
Speaker 3: that's too long. It's just too long. I don't know
Speaker 3: where Pumas is in terms of like the table of
Speaker 3: their fourth Okay.
Speaker 2: So they have a chance, they're part of that gaggle.
Speaker 2: That's uh only.
Speaker 7: Three games into the season. Oh never mind, you're talking
Speaker 7: about League Cup.
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, no, I meant uh Leagues Cup. So Conker calf.
Speaker 3: In the League's Cup regulations, which I did take the
Speaker 3: time to read because crazy, it does say that the
Speaker 3: disciplinary committee, which does exist for League's Cup, can take
Speaker 3: action against a player who does not leave the field
Speaker 3: of play in a proper time frame. I would assume
Speaker 3: that if anything were to happen, and we'll find out today,
Speaker 3: And I'm also going to assume that it ain't nothing
Speaker 3: going to happen to kaylor Navas for taking half of
Speaker 3: his career to leave the pitch. Yeah, the reality is
Speaker 3: it's he's supposed to. And again this is a failure
Speaker 3: of the referee to do his job and say no,
Speaker 3: you need to leave, because I think the protocol is
Speaker 3: maybe not protocol, but accepted course of actions is you
Speaker 3: get a red card if you're really that concerned that
Speaker 3: you think it's going to be a reverse via var Again,
Speaker 3: this was not going to but whatever, you go stand
Speaker 3: in the tunnel. Yeah, that's kind of I think the
Speaker 3: most widely accepted practice of Okay, well you can say
Speaker 3: that you don't have to fully leave, but you need
Speaker 3: to be. Let's better be off the field just right,
Speaker 3: and then you know, you get the VIR confirmation and
Speaker 3: you head back into the the locker room and get ready.
Speaker 3: And it took too long. It was farcical that they
Speaker 3: were able to delay match the match so long over
Speaker 3: a very clear and obvious red card. It's farcical that
Speaker 3: he even had any sort of like communication with the
Speaker 3: next goalkeeper outside of like, hey, let's go, you got
Speaker 3: this and.
Speaker 2: Then leave you're out of subs. So it's a position
Speaker 2: player in Angoula.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean that's just what it is, right Like you,
Speaker 3: I understand maybe a little bit if you say, oh,
Speaker 3: he's got to take a short off and give it
Speaker 3: to the other player, But he just was allowed to
Speaker 3: stay on the field too long. He's setting up walls,
Speaker 3: he's talking to teammates, He's going like embarrassing. I don't
Speaker 3: really have a whole lot of words for it, other embarrassing.
Speaker 3: This goes way outside of any scope of practice or
Speaker 3: referee or any any scope of training a referee would
Speaker 3: have had to allow a player to do this.
Speaker 1: HM so jared this morning with Bart, literally we have
Speaker 1: spent inasmuch as Bart needs to talk about Copo America Feminina,
Speaker 1: I want him to talk about Katchia iachel Garcia. Maybe
Speaker 1: if we get into Seattle. In the twenty seventh minute
Speaker 1: from last night, the whole chaos with Danny Mussovski, the
Speaker 1: end of Orlando and.
Speaker 2: Atlas, all that's still on the table.
Speaker 1: We have spent the first twenty five minutes of Bart's
Speaker 1: segment discussing everything that went haywire and a half down
Speaker 1: at the Purple Barn from the weekend.
Speaker 7: Well, that's because everything that went down at the Purple Barn.
Speaker 2: Was interesting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love the nose cell. It was interesting.
Speaker 7: It wasn't just the it was it was allowing Killer
Speaker 7: Noavis to basically direct the wall and direct his replacement.
Speaker 7: And by the way, he didn't have to give him
Speaker 7: a kid. Keiler walked off of this kid on But
Speaker 7: they have another. They have more than one professional team
Speaker 7: has more than one keeper kit. I hope people know this.
Speaker 7: It's important to me that they know.
Speaker 3: This as well, Jared, and so we can't guarantee they do. Now.
Speaker 7: I mean, well, they got the they got the other
Speaker 7: guy's kid. It might have somebody else's name on it,
Speaker 7: but I mean, uh, you just give it to take
Speaker 7: the backup keepers kit and give it to him.
Speaker 2: We need your kit, but and your gloves.
Speaker 7: The beautiful part of that whole sequence was not just
Speaker 7: the you know, ten minutes of delaying and then refusing
Speaker 7: to leave the field. It was also the u If
Speaker 7: you go and watch the actual first.
Speaker 2: Of all, win.
Speaker 7: Pumas put ten people in the wall and Nick Sessok
Speaker 7: was standing off to the left all by his lonesome.
Speaker 7: And I understand you want to be the hero.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 7: Yeah, even that one at the end had no name
Speaker 7: or number. Great, they had an extra one. You didn't
Speaker 7: need Cale Nabs's kit sidebar on that. I'd've been happy
Speaker 7: to help crowdsource to throw ten fifteen bucks to the
Speaker 7: fine for the Atlanta player that grabbed Kaylor Novice buy
Speaker 7: the scruff of his shirt and dragged his ass off
Speaker 7: the field. And if he goes down on the field
Speaker 7: and tries to make a meal of it, and oh
Speaker 7: he absolutely would have it kind of would have been
Speaker 7: like a oh Jesus theah the the Orlando atlass game
Speaker 7: where like I think I saw four dives in the
Speaker 7: span of five seconds. Yeah, dragnail, drag Navis off the
Speaker 7: field when the referee comes to give you yellow, apologize
Speaker 7: for doing his job because he sucks at it, because
Speaker 7: he not even it wasn't the call, it was he
Speaker 7: got the calls right. It was the inability and the
Speaker 7: unwillingness to control the match. And that's some bullshit. If
Speaker 7: you go watch the actual again, play the ball out
Speaker 7: left to Sasaku's standing there all by his fucking lonesome
Speaker 7: instead of trying to put it through a ten man wall.
Speaker 7: Because by the way, the guy who deflects it and
Speaker 7: blocks it was not ten yards away. As Sleash takes
Speaker 7: his run up, the guy starts running at Schleish and
Speaker 7: blocks it from like five yards away. Yea, So it
Speaker 7: should have been retaken, yes, with it should have been
Speaker 7: a yellow card and retaken and if they break and
Speaker 7: if they break that ten yards again, then you keep
Speaker 7: retaking it. You keep getting that yellow cards until they
Speaker 7: hold their line. You chose not to do that. The
Speaker 7: whole game was chaotic, and it's the whole game in
Speaker 7: and of itself is frustrating because there's a look, there's
Speaker 7: no sugar coating how bad the year has been. I'm
Speaker 7: not here to sugarcoat this. But you also had a
Speaker 7: game where you created chances, you you generated two goals. Still,
Speaker 7: am pissy at MLS League Cup whoever is making a
Speaker 7: decision taking that goal away from Saba. Yeah, I'm gonna
Speaker 7: be a I'm gonna be a pissy a little less
Speaker 7: o b about it. But then you get a lot
Speaker 7: on the board. Good, but a build up play. You
Speaker 7: generated two goals. Great job, happy for you. Offense has
Speaker 7: been the problem. You generated two goals, But.
Speaker 1: This is one where you feel particularly aggrieved because.
Speaker 7: You feel you feel agrieved because got handed to opportunities.
Speaker 7: The first one, it's a penalty. It's just super soft,
Speaker 7: like he's looking for it and Brooks Lennon leaves his
Speaker 7: foot there. Brooks doesn't kick him, but his foots there
Speaker 7: and the guy d In my opinion, Brooks leaves his
Speaker 7: leg there. The guy knows it's there and drags his
Speaker 7: foot over it to go down and draw the penalty.
Speaker 7: He's looking for the penalty in that situation, he finds it.
Speaker 7: More fuel for the fire for everyone who wanted Brooks
Speaker 7: Lenin fired into the sun. That for me, that one.
Speaker 7: Ronald was fine when he was on the outside back.
Speaker 7: It's when he got forced to play center back that
Speaker 7: shit got weird. And that second penalty was even more
Speaker 7: bullshit because the the tugging and the foul start.
Speaker 3: To I'm not talking about this particular game. Ronald is
Speaker 3: very good at making stupid decisions defensively where he plays
Speaker 3: on any game. But you know, you guys like the Lebron.
Speaker 3: I don't see him as a valuable piece of other than.
Speaker 7: I see him as a valuable depth piece.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 7: I see him as a valuable depth piece on this roster,
Speaker 7: and right now that.
Speaker 3: Thing he can get paid to be Maggie's best friend
Speaker 3: and hang out in the clubhouse.
Speaker 7: I agree he right now, he's better. He's better at
Speaker 7: right than what Brooks has given you because his chemistry
Speaker 7: with Miguel was actually existent, as opposed to Miggey and
Speaker 7: Brooks having a non existent chemistry. Bus He's on a
Speaker 7: cheaper number, so that makes it easier stomach for me
Speaker 7: going forward.
Speaker 3: They should have it much cheaper.
Speaker 7: Well, go address that in the off season, because well,
Speaker 7: there's no one twisting their arms saying you have to
Speaker 7: bring Brooks Linne back. The second penalty infuriated me because
Speaker 7: the foul starts like ten fifteen yards outside the box.
Speaker 7: The guy's riding the contact, he gets to the edge
Speaker 7: of the box and throws himself down, and the referee
Speaker 7: is like, yeah, that's that's personal. That's perfectly reasonable process
Speaker 7: of events. Uh, it sucks because you did actually generate
Speaker 7: multiple chances. You put multiple goals in the back of
Speaker 7: the net and then Pumas basically flopped around like a
Speaker 7: fish on the shoreline and was handed to opportunities. Brad
Speaker 7: Guzan saved one of them. Yeah, and then had then
Speaker 7: had the rebound put back.
Speaker 2: And that's another thing that we haven't gotten into yet,
Speaker 2: the repound.
Speaker 7: Okay, okay, I agree with you, but I'm also gonna
Speaker 7: halt you on this, and I'm gonna halt everyone on
Speaker 7: this conversation the same way we did in the women's ros.
Speaker 7: The look, this is something bart would have to deal
Speaker 7: with as an official, because this is something they run
Speaker 7: into more than we as people who watch the game,
Speaker 7: because they have to officiate so many more games and
Speaker 7: they have to deal with this on a daily basis.
Speaker 7: If people who are writing the laws of the game
Speaker 7: and have to impact the laws of the game and
Speaker 7: enforce them want to have this conversation on a more
Speaker 7: consistent basis, that is fine about the idea and the
Speaker 7: thing in question being the putting a rebound. Basically, the
Speaker 7: fact that a penalty is not is not immediately a
Speaker 7: dead ball. We only ever discussed this shit whenever it
Speaker 7: dirictly impacts us in a negative way. It is the
Speaker 7: same thing in the NFL when someone fumbles through the
Speaker 7: end zone for a touchback, it happens, and everyone bitches
Speaker 7: up a storm wanting to I need to change that rule.
Speaker 7: You don't give two damns about that rule nine times
Speaker 7: out of ten, But when it impacts you directly, then
Speaker 7: it becomes a talking point.
Speaker 3: Right, Yes, well, let's talk about it, because I do
Speaker 3: think that I think there's validity to this.
Speaker 7: You are more than welcome to talk about it because
Speaker 7: you have to deal with it in a different way.
Speaker 3: Than others, and some level of validity to it, and
Speaker 3: the fact that like that, the problem is it goes
Speaker 3: outside the scope of what soccer is. No other free kick,
Speaker 3: which you know, it's kind of what we're going by.
Speaker 3: Another free kick is a true dead ball, one and
Speaker 3: done scenario, right, And so that is the slightly outside
Speaker 3: of the spirit of the laws of the game that
Speaker 3: we would get into. But I don't disagree that we
Speaker 3: We could possibly just make it a all right, well, you
Speaker 3: get a penalty kick. Everyone else go line up behind
Speaker 3: the you know, the center of the midfield line, and
Speaker 3: you take it. Great if you make it, fantastic, Congratulations,
Speaker 3: you did the easiest thing in soccer. If you don't
Speaker 3: then shame on you for fifty years, you know, and
Speaker 3: we're just done. I don't think that would be a
Speaker 3: bad but I would just say, yeah, well, it just
Speaker 3: goes outside of the spirit of the laws of the game,
Speaker 3: if you will, because no other free kick is done
Speaker 3: in such a manner, and that's kind of where you're
Speaker 3: going to find. The people who are making these laws
Speaker 3: do try to make sure the laws of the game
Speaker 3: are upheld or the spirit of the game is maintained.
Speaker 3: And that's just that rough. But I don't disagree with
Speaker 3: the idea. I think it's kind of like a I mean,
Speaker 3: I'm also a personally I would rather see fewer penalty
Speaker 3: kicks because sometimes I think we're given penalty kicks for
Speaker 3: things that ain't ain't gonna, you know, result in a goal,
Speaker 3: and we're just like, well, okay, this foul that happened
Speaker 3: to occur. You know, still, some how twenty yards away
Speaker 3: from goal is resulting in a free kick twelve yards
Speaker 3: from goal. That seems crazy to me sometimes too, but
Speaker 3: you know whatever, The penalty kick is an imperfect way
Speaker 3: to administer punishment, but it is what we have.
Speaker 7: Should we just do a bunch of indirect free.
Speaker 3: Kicks honestly, yes, yes, unless it is not a dog
Speaker 3: so situation. I think it should be a indirect free
Speaker 3: kick inside the penalty area, which Jared is way more
Speaker 3: chaotic and therefore more fun.
Speaker 7: So oh yeah, like indirect free kicks from like where
Speaker 7: the keeper picks up a back pass like three yards
Speaker 7: from the actual goal line and then you have like
Speaker 7: nine bodies just standing in front of the goal. I
Speaker 7: also go back to was it, oh god, was it
Speaker 7: the twenty twelve Olympics women's game.
Speaker 3: Yeah it was. It was where Abby.
Speaker 7: Wambach was counting off the Canadian goalkeeper and finally the
Speaker 7: ref called it and gave him that indirect free kick
Speaker 7: like two yards from the goal.
Speaker 3: Yep, yeah that was That was Canada. The Yeah, that
Speaker 3: was Canada finally getting called out for their shenanigans.
Speaker 1: Yes, okay, all right, We've got like several other games
Speaker 1: and things to get into. I know that Jared mentioned
Speaker 1: Orlando and that less in the end of it there.
Speaker 7: I know this Atlas has been Atlas has been a
Speaker 7: delight because they've been involved in the weirdest games so far. Yes,
Speaker 7: like like they lost to MESSYFC on a goal that
Speaker 7: you like I'm still not sure it was actually on side,
Speaker 7: but you can't disprove it because there's not a there's
Speaker 7: not a camera down the line. I think that they're
Speaker 7: using semi automated. They are and like it did nothing
Speaker 7: about it looked on looked, it looked like clear and
Speaker 7: obvious to me. But you gave it on the field,
Speaker 7: so I'm totally okay with you leaving it. But then
Speaker 7: they got in basically a basically got in a West
Speaker 7: Side story brawl with Orlando. Yes, in your second game,
Speaker 7: absolutely was all right.
Speaker 1: So you wanted to bart bring a Copa America Feminina
Speaker 1: to the table for yeah, for some I mean look, look,
Speaker 1: Summer Slam was in the Northeast on the weekend and
Speaker 1: Cope America Feminina did their damn just to try to
Speaker 1: make it.
Speaker 2: Look like it was a battle royal at points.
Speaker 3: Well, first off, this was the most entertaining game of
Speaker 3: the year so far. You missed out if you weren't
Speaker 3: watching it, I'll say that, No, there was an incident
Speaker 3: between Caravali and another a Brazilian player who I cannot
Speaker 3: remember who it was off the top of my head,
Speaker 3: and Karravally puts a great shoulder and and a forearm
Speaker 3: into the head of and I think her head as well.
Speaker 3: She just kind of comes up and puts her head
Speaker 3: right through it through the player. And this was again
Speaker 3: an example of of all has different rules in a
Speaker 3: lot of places. I think. Yeah, but I just want
Speaker 3: to say contact to the head is violent conduct, slash,
Speaker 3: serious foul play and should be a red card. And
Speaker 3: the fact that Kyravali got to continue in this game.
Speaker 3: I don't know what candle she lit or prayer she
Speaker 3: said before this game, but it worked because she she
Speaker 3: got to play, uh the entire rest of the match.
Speaker 3: But she was very lucky. And I just again want
Speaker 3: to point out that if you make contact with someone's head,
Speaker 3: you should probably be sent off.
Speaker 1: And I mean, it was it, and it was a
Speaker 1: series where it was, yes, literally you're like grappling and
Speaker 1: you missed the first time, you come back after it
Speaker 1: the second time, and it's just.
Speaker 3: This is where I'm shocked that, I mean, you could
Speaker 3: have easily had two red cards because the Brazilian player
Speaker 3: kicks out at her as well.
Speaker 2: You know it mm hmm, yeah, it was.
Speaker 3: It was very entertaining match, but that sometimes comes with
Speaker 3: referee decisions and player decisions that are questionable.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's that. That's definitely one way to phrase it.
Speaker 1: Katcha eats so Garcia and this is completely and totally
Speaker 1: unacceptable under any circumstance. This is uh, I want to
Speaker 1: find folks that do this kind of stuff.
Speaker 3: What matches us?
Speaker 2: Sorry, well, this is just general abuse online.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, yeah, Katcha eats so Garcia was basically, I mean,
Speaker 1: the short version is Katcha eats so Garcia was told
Speaker 1: on social media, and we all know how wholesome that
Speaker 1: environment can be.
Speaker 7: Social media is a bunch of people who think their
Speaker 7: balls feel big because they can hide behind anonymity. So yeah,
Speaker 7: you take it for what it is. And if you
Speaker 7: avoid social media, your life's probably going to be better off.
Speaker 2: Yeah it was.
Speaker 1: You had Katcha eatzel Garcia, who was basically threatened on
Speaker 1: social media for calls that she made and or did
Speaker 1: not make in the Copo America in the Copo America Feminina,
Speaker 1: and the FMF has come out, yeah, and it's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: this stuff, this stuff facing death threats after sorry, it's
Speaker 1: taking charge of month today and FC Cincinnati and so
Speaker 1: it was in League's Cup and so the FMF has
Speaker 1: come out and said some things, and it is just
Speaker 1: it's disgusting what what folks like to do with their
Speaker 1: Twitter muscles these days. And so with her being in
Speaker 1: the middle for Mont Today, NFC Cincinnati Montday fans or
Speaker 1: hot and so they decided to sit there and say
Speaker 1: things that you're not supposed to say.
Speaker 2: And I hope they find them and I.
Speaker 1: Hope they're prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law,
Speaker 1: whatever that takes and whatever that means. So it's just
Speaker 1: it's disgusting stuff that happened involving a Cutchy Eatel Garcia
Speaker 1: with the FMF.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is especially for someone who has refereed. I mean,
Speaker 3: we've seen her a lot in men's matches, a lot
Speaker 3: of US women's national team matches.
Speaker 1: She's and she went ahead and posted the messages that
Speaker 1: she was holding with her death threat. She posted them
Speaker 1: that were sent to her Instagram account.
Speaker 2: She posted these things.
Speaker 3: I think what bothers me is, Yeah, this is someone
Speaker 3: who has been a part of the men's game for
Speaker 3: a while, and and the fact that I mean, I
Speaker 3: think forget which one it was, but we definitely had
Speaker 3: her for some A USM and T match. I'm pretty
Speaker 3: sure it was her this year or last year. So
Speaker 3: this is one of those where criticism is one thing, obviously,
Speaker 3: but it does feel motivated by her gender, unfortunately, and
Speaker 3: that's to me the sad part because you're look, we
Speaker 3: just talked about it. You can you can be critical
Speaker 3: of a referee and say they did a terrible job,
Speaker 3: which the referees in the Atlanta Pumas match were not
Speaker 3: very good. It's a soccer game, you know, kaylor Herrera,
Speaker 3: I don't think should be refereeing at this level anymore.
Speaker 3: But that doesn't mean he shouldn't be allowed to live.
Speaker 3: You know. That's there's a fine line people, And at
Speaker 3: the same time, you know, it's sad to see against
Speaker 3: someone who has been working so hard to get to
Speaker 3: this level and overcoming a lot of obstacles to get
Speaker 3: to this level because she has been part of the
Speaker 3: men's game circuit and hasn't had these issues before, you know.
Speaker 1: So, so I wanna let me let me ask you this.
Speaker 1: When it comes to officials these days, are you seeing
Speaker 1: how are the numbers when it comes to folks that
Speaker 1: want to be official, sticking with the craft, those kinds
Speaker 1: of things First off, how are the numbers these days
Speaker 1: and how have they been.
Speaker 3: That's a tough question for me to answer, John, because
Speaker 3: I don't have exact data.
Speaker 2: But I've always it's anecdotal at the grassroots level.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the anecdotal data I can provide is that we
Speaker 3: always need more officials. Everyone every weekend says we need
Speaker 3: more officials. Part of that is because and as you know,
Speaker 3: again we're talking about a tournament that's been made up
Speaker 3: because Don Garber wants to feel good about himself. This
Speaker 3: problem is that we have a ever increasing amount of
Speaker 3: matches because especially at the youth ranks, every year it
Speaker 3: seems like there's a new league that gets popped up
Speaker 3: saying they're elite, right, and therefore they then demand elite
Speaker 3: referees even though they've been around for one minute and
Speaker 3: the play is no better than organized rex soccer. That
Speaker 3: is the problem we face when it comes to numbers
Speaker 3: of officials is there's a lot of people who or
Speaker 3: there's just a lot of matches, right, and there's there's
Speaker 3: never enough referees because part of the issue is for
Speaker 3: these elite level elite quotes heavy air quotes, by the way,
Speaker 3: on that term elite. They demand a certain level of referee,
Speaker 3: which usually means adults, especially if you're talking about seventeen
Speaker 3: and up, because you know, you can't have a seventeen
Speaker 3: year old refereeing seventeen year olds, and so generally we
Speaker 3: just always need referees. But where I always say we
Speaker 3: need referees and need support of referees is on the
Speaker 3: women's side, because we do not have a lot of
Speaker 3: women's referees. Period. We do not have a lot of
Speaker 3: female referees. We don't have a lot of female coaches.
Speaker 3: It's getting a little better, but not of times that
Speaker 3: I like it as a celebration if I see two
Speaker 3: women's teams playing or two girls teams playing with a
Speaker 3: female coach in charge. Similarly, if there's ever a time
Speaker 3: where you have a woman referring in the middle for
Speaker 3: women for girls games or women's games, and we have
Speaker 3: women's adult leagues that barely have enough women to staff
Speaker 3: one full crew, let alone you know, the entire league.
Speaker 3: And so that specifically is where we have a lot
Speaker 3: of issues. We just don't have a lot of female referees.
Speaker 3: And if that is something that I do think that
Speaker 3: US Soccer and the state associations need to do better.
Speaker 3: They're trying to do better. But for me personally, being
Speaker 3: a good referee does kind of have to start at
Speaker 3: the youth level. You need to be getting into it
Speaker 3: at a younger age because you need the experience, you
Speaker 3: need the training. You know, you don't want to go
Speaker 3: on one year one year as you're moving up through
Speaker 3: the ranks. You really do need to amass time of
Speaker 3: understanding all aspect of the game. And we just aren't
Speaker 3: recruiting enough girls to be referees who they become women
Speaker 3: who are referees. And so when you see someone like
Speaker 3: Katya refereeing at this level, you, I think, again, you
Speaker 3: have to understand how this is an impressive feat for
Speaker 3: her to be refereeing Gold Cup matches, right, I mean,
Speaker 3: refereing Leads Cup because she has had to do this
Speaker 3: for so long and she's being selected because not because
Speaker 3: she's like, you know, nothing other than she's a darn
Speaker 3: good referee. And that again, to bring it home, just
Speaker 3: is the saddest part about this story is because she
Speaker 3: is a good referee. I think she is a pretty
Speaker 3: good referee, you know. I know Tory Penzo seems to
Speaker 3: get a lot of hate, and I'm like, yeah, there's
Speaker 3: a lot of referees out there who are way worse
Speaker 3: than Tory Penzel, and no one's as a darn thing
Speaker 3: about them, you know, or says the things they say
Speaker 3: about Tory Penzo that they'll say about her, And that's
Speaker 3: it's just sad.
Speaker 2: I've got.
Speaker 1: Let's see, so Jared mentioned the end of Orlando and Natolas.
Speaker 1: I have the play in the twenty seventh minute with
Speaker 1: Seattle from Santos Laguna last night that had like ninety
Speaker 1: eight different steps that were attached to it where you
Speaker 1: had a goal that was taken off the board. What
Speaker 1: else is on your mind, sir this one.
Speaker 3: I don't have any of those on my mind. I've
Speaker 3: said the things that I wanted to say.
Speaker 1: So okay, so then let's go back and let's do
Speaker 1: one more before I do a gossip bremery and you
Speaker 1: Windo and what to watch before we get out of here.
Speaker 1: Let's go back to the chaos from Seattle and Santos
Speaker 1: Laguna Oka from last night. Here is the link and
Speaker 1: the specific to the highlights themselves, and we go into
Speaker 1: the highlights at about two minutes and ten seconds, and
Speaker 1: it's what happened at basically twenty six eighteen, and you
Speaker 1: end up with and I'll walk everybody through it, so
Speaker 1: I've got to figure out where my play button is.
Speaker 1: So it's a long ball over the top, Musoski is
Speaker 1: chasing contact, and then you end up with Mussovski trying
Speaker 1: to chase after the ball, so you have keeper contact.
Speaker 1: Musosky drags a player down. Play continues and Mussofski eventually
Speaker 1: is taken down inside the six.
Speaker 2: Penalty is called.
Speaker 1: Initially, so literally that was that is everything that happened
Speaker 1: about ten seconds. All of that happened in about ten seconds.
Speaker 1: So ball over the top, Musofski is chasing. Musoski has
Speaker 1: a basically a two v one almost collision brush off
Speaker 1: with the Santos keeper and the defender as they go
Speaker 1: past the keeper. Now they're inside the eighteen, Mussoski makes
Speaker 1: contact with the Santos defender. Santo's defender goes down, Play continues, Musofsky,
Speaker 1: back on his feet, gets bowled over at the top
Speaker 1: of the six. Keeper ends up making contact with the ball.
Speaker 1: Center f calls penalty YEP. Eventually all of that was
Speaker 1: wiped off the board because Mussovsky fouls the Santo's defender yes,
Speaker 1: inside the eighteen, So everything winds its way back to
Speaker 1: the first action, which wipes out the penalty kick opportunity.
Speaker 1: So first off they're checking for a penalty and then
Speaker 1: it's like, okay, so Mussovsky makes contact with the ball.
Speaker 1: Then it ends up with Mussofsky called for the foul
Speaker 1: that wipes everything off the book, which it's just this.
Speaker 3: Is just chaos, right, Like, I think that's the thing
Speaker 3: that we're looking at here is it's just it's just
Speaker 3: chaos because the keeper comes out does not commit a foul.
Speaker 3: I think that's fair to say there's not a foul
Speaker 3: committed in that particular key incident in the sequence Musaski.
Speaker 3: Then it in live play looked like he absolutely drug
Speaker 3: him down. But you also are kind of saying, okay, well, maybe.
Speaker 2: There's momentum calling and.
Speaker 3: Able to you know fully, yeah, yeah, Although if I'm
Speaker 3: going to be critical of the referee, which a candy, yes,
Speaker 3: I don't think he's in a great position to make
Speaker 3: any of these calls until the very very end where
Speaker 3: he finally gets inside the penalty area and is able
Speaker 3: to make the final decision of the sequence. This musoski
Speaker 3: foul which looks like he pulls them and then trips them. Yeah,
Speaker 3: one of those two fouls you could call. The referee
Speaker 3: is not in a great position to call it. I
Speaker 3: do wonder why his ar was not able to help
Speaker 3: him out on this, because his ar is in fairly
Speaker 3: decent position and probably could have said, hey, he tripped them.
Speaker 2: But it's just.
Speaker 3: Chaos, John, just chaos.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Stefan Douer of Jamaica was the center ref in this
Speaker 1: particular situation. But yeah, there was chaos in that. And
Speaker 1: but basically the reminder in that particular play is that
Speaker 1: you have to while you have all of these things
Speaker 1: in play over fifteen seconds of live time, you have
Speaker 1: to go back to the beginning, or you've got to
Speaker 1: go back all the way to the beginning of the
Speaker 1: play to figure out, okay, did something happened first? That
Speaker 1: led to act number two, which led to act number three,
Speaker 1: and then that first act, which was the musofsky foul,
Speaker 1: wipes out everything else that happens later in real time
Speaker 1: as you review it going back, and so that's.
Speaker 3: It's it's tough because it it is a you have
Speaker 3: to work backwards from all of it. I think we've
Speaker 3: talked about this a lot, especially, I think we've we
Speaker 3: mentioned this was the RSL game last year with the
Speaker 3: goal was scored, but then there were like two other
Speaker 3: incidents that they checked eventually leading to a oh no,
Speaker 3: there's a foul in the initial moment of the attacking
Speaker 3: phase of play. So again, it's not a single moment,
Speaker 3: it's not the final decision. It's the attacking phase of
Speaker 3: play that we're looking at. And in the attacking phase
Speaker 3: of play, the attacker commits foul and the defender and therefore,
Speaker 3: you know, I think again when you this is a
Speaker 3: good example of using VR in a chaotic situation to
Speaker 3: make sure you get the call right, because I think
Speaker 3: it's fair that the referee kind of let things play
Speaker 3: because the foul was not well. I think it's obvious
Speaker 3: to me watching from you know, the angle we had,
Speaker 3: maybe the free wasn't in a good position to see it,
Speaker 3: or maybe the ar didn't feel comfortable making the call
Speaker 3: and so being able to use VR to go back
Speaker 3: and go, okay, yes that was and maybe at the
Speaker 3: same time, you know, there's a possibility that the referee says, oh,
Speaker 3: I'm not going to make that call until the very end,
Speaker 3: because I know Var can check it, and I'll just
Speaker 3: let the play run out the way the play needs
Speaker 3: to run out. That's also a possibility. I do not
Speaker 3: have that insight because I do not referee with Var.
Speaker 3: You know that that idea of letting the play run
Speaker 3: in a situation like this is not uncommon for Var,
Speaker 3: because you do know that you have that tool to
Speaker 3: kind of go back and say, Okay, I think that
Speaker 3: may have been a foul. I want to check it.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And then at the tail end of Orlando and Atlas,
Speaker 1: you had a boatload of pushing and shoving and cards
Speaker 1: and chaos and it took three minutes to decide. You
Speaker 1: end up with another red and folks trying to take
Speaker 1: folks with you, And I mean, it was some nasty
Speaker 1: stuff at ninety two plus and it took four minutes
Speaker 1: to sort all of it out. Mattias is the one
Speaker 1: that starts to get after it and then hands to
Speaker 1: the throat for Johnson. But Johnson decides he's gonna fall
Speaker 1: like a tree in the woods after the slightest contact,
Speaker 1: and you end up at one O two finally, uh, wrapping.
Speaker 2: That one up.
Speaker 1: But yeah, that one was chaos upon chaos north of
Speaker 1: ninety minutes, but that one, that one gets to stay
Speaker 1: on the table.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: So yeah, it's just one of those weeks for you
Speaker 1: where nothing happened.
Speaker 2: Eh.
Speaker 3: Yeah, not a lot going on. Yeah, nothing really to
Speaker 3: talk about. You know, well, I'm sure we'll have more
Speaker 3: to talk about next.
Speaker 1: Week, Yes, among other among other times, if if if
Speaker 1: the if, the bat signal comes in and then it's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: we got to talk about other stuff soccer for USPOD,
Speaker 1: what's going on?
Speaker 3: We are we have an official recording schedule tonight, so
Speaker 3: we will actually no one's on vacation.
Speaker 1: Well I mean, I mean, I mean legit, good for them,
Speaker 1: but you know, I mean come on now, and I
Speaker 1: mean that's uh, that's the uh, the the idea of
Speaker 1: figuring all of that stuff out. Okay, thanks as always
Speaker 1: for dropping in, and we will catch up with you.
Speaker 1: And you know, obviously you always like to come in
Speaker 1: on Fridays anyway and discuss what's going to happen on
Speaker 1: the weekend.
Speaker 3: And unfortunately I won't be able to do this Friday.
Speaker 3: Will be in office on Friday, which is a crime,
Speaker 3: but that's what it does. This week Final Market of
Speaker 3: the season.
Speaker 1: So yeah, all right, well, as always been friend, great
Speaker 1: to see, thanks for your insights and thanks for the wisdom,
Speaker 1: and thanks for being one of the voices from the sides.
Speaker 1: With the whistles and the cards, we can kind of
Speaker 1: understand what the wide world of sports is going on,
Speaker 1: especially when folks lose control and we have to walk
Speaker 1: everybody through it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know.
Speaker 3: Well, luckily we all get to not have to watch
Speaker 3: Je Lanning out of this week, right, there's no games.
Speaker 3: Oh wait, god, come in.
Speaker 2: Wednesday and Saturday. You got Wednesday, Wednesday with hot lesson
Speaker 2: and you got Saturday and all. So it's all right.
Speaker 3: Well, hopefully those those going up to montre all have
Speaker 3: an enjoyable time there.
Speaker 1: So all right, well, as always, my friend, be safe
Speaker 1: and we will catch up with you soon.
Speaker 3: By y'all.
Speaker 2: There goes Bart