Speaker 1: Oh is Bolt, it's showtime. People thank good money to
Speaker 1: see this movie.
Speaker 2: When they go out to a theater, they want clod sodas,
Speaker 2: hot popcorn and no monsters in the protection booths.
Speaker 1: Everyone pretend podcasting isn't boring, got it off.
Speaker 3: What we want is to have an entertaining series. Yeah,
Speaker 3: with interesting characters.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that people like, Yeah and care about. Yeah, thank you,
Speaker 4: You're welcome.
Speaker 3: In the early days of television, there really were no
Speaker 3: kids shows, and for Sherry to come along puppets comedy,
Speaker 3: I just knew this was different.
Speaker 4: What's that?
Speaker 3: That's there?
Speaker 4: That's a camera.
Speaker 1: She made sure you wanted to love for those characters.
Speaker 4: Sherry was able to speak to issues controversial for a
Speaker 4: woman in that era. You can't be the president your
Speaker 4: girl as a kid.
Speaker 1: If you saw Sherry Lewis on TV, you fell in love.
Speaker 5: It was so clear I had found myself with Lamb Chop.
Speaker 2: After all, Lamb Chop, what am I without you?
Speaker 3: Nothing?
Speaker 4: I feel a Samurai about you.
Speaker 5: But there's only room for one son, and Lamb Chop
Speaker 5: became a big star. Mom wanted to be seen as
Speaker 5: more than a one trick pony, and the audience like,
Speaker 5: that's nice. Where's lamb Chop?
Speaker 3: But there was a time when people didn't want Sherry Lewis.
Speaker 5: When mar show was camped.
Speaker 2: The only time I ever went to lamp Chop and
Speaker 2: cried with her where she did not have a show.
Speaker 2: I think that was a very lonely, horrible time for her.
Speaker 2: She did whatever came up to rebuild her career. It
Speaker 2: was in her DNA, Are you all right?
Speaker 1: She was a fighter and not kidding it all gives
Speaker 1: you that fight.
Speaker 3: There were a lot of kids who had very unhappy childhoods,
Speaker 3: and their oasis was this loving adult who accepted you.
Speaker 4: No matter how little you are, you can still be
Speaker 4: a big help to a friend in need.
Speaker 5: You create confident and curious human beings by showing them
Speaker 5: how to do something and then applauding their success.
Speaker 4: I can, I can, I can, and I will. Okay good.
Speaker 2: I was just having fun watching these brilliant characters teach me.
Speaker 2: I think it's called self esteem and it is the
Speaker 2: most important lesson for children to get.
Speaker 4: And just remember to make yourself go.
Speaker 1: Can Hey, folks, Welcome to a special episode of the
Speaker 1: Projection Booth. I'm your host Mike White. On this episode,
Speaker 1: I'm talking about Lisa Diappolito all about her new documentary,
Speaker 1: Sherry and Lamb Chop. Yes, it is a story of
Speaker 1: Sherry Lewis and her puppet Lamb Chop, entertaining children and
Speaker 1: adults for decades. Great documentary really shines a light on
Speaker 1: someone who I was not aware of, just how amazing
Speaker 1: they are, how talented, and how much of a born entertainer.
Speaker 1: We had Lisa on the show a few years ago
Speaker 1: as she was talking about her Gilda radnerd documentary. She's
Speaker 1: back with another solid doc highly recommended. Be sure to
Speaker 1: check that out if it comes to your TOWNE and
Speaker 1: I hope you enjoy this interview. How did the Sherry
Speaker 1: Lewis project come about for you?
Speaker 3: After Gilda? I had a list of inspiring women. I
Speaker 3: was looking for another inspiring woman, like an unsung hero
Speaker 3: whose story I felt need to be told, and Cherry
Speaker 3: wasn't actually even on my list. But I had become
Speaker 3: friends with Gene Wilder's nephew and he had a production company,
Speaker 3: and he called me up and he's Pee. One of
Speaker 3: his producers had met Mallory Cherry's daughter, and he said,
Speaker 3: would you be interested in Sherry Lewis and Lamb Chop
Speaker 3: Cherry Lewis because he knew I was looking for a project,
Speaker 3: and I was like, h Lamb Chop, and I got
Speaker 3: all excited. And I didn't really know much about Sherry,
Speaker 3: and then I started doing the research on her and
Speaker 3: she was definitely an unsung hero. So that's kind of
Speaker 3: how that came about.
Speaker 1: What's your experience with Lamb Chop when you're growing up?
Speaker 3: Well, that was the weird thing is I didn't have
Speaker 3: either of the two shows. I was also in between,
Speaker 3: so it wasn't I didn't watch the Sherry Lewis show
Speaker 3: and I didn't want watch Lamb CHOP's play along. I
Speaker 3: was like in the middle. But somehow I always knew
Speaker 3: Lamb Chop and always love Lamb Chop, and somehow I
Speaker 3: had like Lamb Chop stuff, like still so love I
Speaker 3: love Lamb Chop though I nat had not thought about
Speaker 3: Lamb Chop, but you know, hearing the name Lamb Chop,
Speaker 3: I just got excited. But I didn't watch her or
Speaker 3: anything on television, but I did see, you know, Sherry
Speaker 3: would be on talk shows and Hollywood Squares and things
Speaker 3: like that. But I just always still love lamp Chop.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm kind of the same way I was between
Speaker 1: the two shows. But she just seemed like such a
Speaker 1: part of pop culture it was impossible to escape, not
Speaker 1: that I wanted to.
Speaker 3: It's interesting because she had, you know, a very big
Speaker 3: gap in her real career though she was always working
Speaker 3: and always doing stuff, and I'll be honest, I.
Speaker 1: Had no idea about that older career just when she
Speaker 1: started off, and just she's such a born entertainer. It
Speaker 1: was amazing to see, even at such a young age,
Speaker 1: that she was just for the stage.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, that was really interesting. That she grew up
Speaker 3: you know, in a vaudeville environment, you know, with two
Speaker 3: teacher parents who were teachers. But music and magic and
Speaker 3: vaudeville and that was always a part of her life.
Speaker 1: And dance, oh yeah, lots and lots of dance. And
Speaker 1: to see her with that Freda Stare puppet, that was insane.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's crazy. It's crazy there. You know, you can't
Speaker 3: put every story in the film, but there were stories
Speaker 3: that people would tell about you know, that was a
Speaker 3: life size like six feet tall Freda Stare or five
Speaker 3: something and he would be like in a coffin case
Speaker 3: like that we traveled around with him, and people thought
Speaker 3: like the puppet in there. As you can imagine when.
Speaker 1: You got the suggestion of Sherry Lewis, I mean, did
Speaker 1: you just immediately go, oh, yeah, that sounds great or
Speaker 1: did you have to do a little presearch before you
Speaker 1: even said there's a project here.
Speaker 3: I had to do some work to figure out what
Speaker 3: it was. And the first thing I came across was
Speaker 3: the New York Times obituary for her father, Abe Herowitz,
Speaker 3: who was official the official magician of New York City.
Speaker 3: So that kind of grew me in because I was like,
Speaker 3: meet what, there's an official magician And that was sort
Speaker 3: of kind of what started getting me is the background
Speaker 3: and what she came from. And then as I started
Speaker 3: to research, I felt it was a real comeback story
Speaker 3: for Cherry, kind of like Hacks in a way like
Speaker 3: that she was just determined to get back on television
Speaker 3: and it took her decades, but she did. And she
Speaker 3: was in our sixties and she's singing and dancing and
Speaker 3: kicking up her legs and doing splits and upside down,
Speaker 3: and I think that was really inspiring to me. So
Speaker 3: I think after some research, I realized that to me,
Speaker 3: it was like a comeback story.
Speaker 1: So when you said, Okay, this is going to be
Speaker 1: my next project, how do you go about even starting
Speaker 1: to organize all this?
Speaker 3: Oh well there was this as opposed to Gilda. With
Speaker 3: Gilda was just me and I was a production company,
Speaker 3: so there's a production company behind us, and there were
Speaker 3: more resources to organize things. But Sherry had a history
Speaker 3: of fifty years in entertainment, so there was a lot
Speaker 3: to go through. So I think with my amazing editor Andrea,
Speaker 3: who started looking at the material in a new eye,
Speaker 3: we started to organize and we start to see that
Speaker 3: Cherry really started to talk through her puppets, like there
Speaker 3: were some really interesting things that I no one talked about.
Speaker 3: It never came up, but Andrea has started seeing it
Speaker 3: in the material. So that's how we started to organize it,
Speaker 3: you know, as a sort of linear doc but with
Speaker 3: the idea that Cherry used her puppets too to tell
Speaker 3: her story.
Speaker 1: With all of that historical footage, I mean, where did
Speaker 1: you manage to find all that at? Is there like
Speaker 1: a Sherry Lewis archive.
Speaker 3: There's the great thing is that David Copperfield when Cherry
Speaker 3: somehow David Copperfield got all of Sherry's archives and they
Speaker 3: weren't organized in any way. So we had a truck
Speaker 3: go to Las Vegas pick up all her tapes and
Speaker 3: her collections and her stuff, and we brought her to
Speaker 3: Sherry's daughter's house. Mallory and I just started going through
Speaker 3: it and then we started transferring things, and not everything
Speaker 3: came from there. Some things came from her assistance, and
Speaker 3: some things came from different places. But that was a
Speaker 3: good you know, it had every Sherry Lewis show in there,
Speaker 3: and had every Lamb Chops play along. It had articles
Speaker 3: and articles and so there was a lot of that.
Speaker 1: How was Malory to work with on this project?
Speaker 3: Well, she's great, She's great. You know, she does Lamb Chops.
Speaker 3: So it's so basically that's how Malory had approval over
Speaker 3: who the director would be. So she came and she
Speaker 3: was talking to people, and she came to New York
Speaker 3: until she interviewed me. And then Lamb Chop interviewed me,
Speaker 3: which at first is like a little but then you
Speaker 3: get used to Lamb Chop. But Lamb Chop like me,
Speaker 3: So I got the job.
Speaker 1: Did she asked those kind of weird interview questions like
Speaker 1: what's your strongest weakness some of those things, or like
Speaker 1: what's that interview process?
Speaker 3: Like? She said, she did her research and she looked
Speaker 3: for at all my interviews online and she said, tell
Speaker 3: me something that I wouldn't know by watching your interviews.
Speaker 3: And I told her something, and we had the same
Speaker 3: thing in common, and we just kind of bonded over
Speaker 3: that well, very comfortable with her to be able to
Speaker 3: tell her things that I normally wouldn't say to other people.
Speaker 1: Now, is that Mallory? Is that lamb Chop?
Speaker 3: Mallory?
Speaker 1: Okay, all right? I was just curious.
Speaker 3: Easier to talk to Mallory than lamb Chop that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've not been interviewed by puppets, but I've been,
Speaker 1: you know, I've talked with some people that feel like
Speaker 1: total muppets.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, your editing is so great. Andrew did such a
Speaker 1: wonderful job. And I love how sometimes the footage will
Speaker 1: comment on itself or comment on the documentary itself. That's
Speaker 1: almost like Sherry is a voice inside of the film
Speaker 1: or lamp Chop talking about the things that have just
Speaker 1: we've just seen.
Speaker 3: Oh really, Oh that's I didn't really think about it
Speaker 3: that way. But that's the l Andrew you know her,
Speaker 3: you know editing taste in her style, and it was
Speaker 3: really it was we had a really great working relationship.
Speaker 1: What were some of the parts of the story that
Speaker 1: you wanted to get to but weren't able to just
Speaker 1: because you can't make a ten hour documentary.
Speaker 3: Well, one thing I totally regret that we didn't put
Speaker 3: in because nobody talked about it and it somehow didn't
Speaker 3: fit in. And then we forgot was that Sherry had
Speaker 3: written episode of Star Trek.
Speaker 4: Oh wow, I know that.
Speaker 2: No man, that I.
Speaker 3: Didn't put it in, So I don't know how. I
Speaker 3: remember thinking we should put this in, and I remember
Speaker 3: Andy was saying, well, no one talks about it, and
Speaker 3: it wasn't coming in, like it wasn't fitting into where
Speaker 3: things were fitting in. But I regretted that I didn't
Speaker 3: do that like that because that is such a big thing.
Speaker 3: I didn't put that in, and I regret that. And
Speaker 3: then there's a puppet that I love called Mister Person,
Speaker 3: which was a Captain Person, which was Kangaroo. He never
Speaker 3: made it in either.
Speaker 1: I was aware of Lamb Chop, but I wasn't aware
Speaker 1: of all of the other puppets and just that like
Speaker 1: they were saying in the interview that I think it
Speaker 1: might be what Charlie Rose that she's talking to about
Speaker 1: how the puppets are different facets of her personality. That
Speaker 1: was fascinating.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was a different interview. And I can't remember
Speaker 3: his name because and I should go look it up
Speaker 3: because he was the best interviewer of everybody. When I
Speaker 3: found that interview, it was the insights to Sherry that
Speaker 3: I didn't get from any other interview because she was
Speaker 3: very you know shery was very conscious of her what
Speaker 3: she looked like, what she talked like, what her you know,
Speaker 3: her persona was. So that was a really good interview
Speaker 3: because he got into her and she felt comfortable enough.
Speaker 3: It was during the time she was having problems with
Speaker 3: her husband, so I think more vulnerable than she normally
Speaker 3: would have been.
Speaker 1: The whole thing with her marriage was so fascinating and
Speaker 1: just such an undercurrent going through everything.
Speaker 3: Sarry has a lot of lessons I think in her life,
Speaker 3: Like you know that people have marriage problems, people have
Speaker 3: problems with their children, they have health problems, but it's
Speaker 3: really like getting through it and with a good attitude,
Speaker 3: you know, and that everybody has these problems, but you know,
Speaker 3: you can get through it. So I thought that was
Speaker 3: pretty interesting.
Speaker 1: It is such a great structure to her life and
Speaker 1: to her story where you have that initial success and
Speaker 1: that comeback at the end, but those days in the
Speaker 1: wilderness where you're saying, like, oh, here she is in
Speaker 1: this movie, here she is in this television special. That
Speaker 1: was some of the most fascinating stuff, just how she
Speaker 1: kept her name alive and kept her personality out there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and she would still you know, she would go
Speaker 3: to these fairs and if four people showed up, she
Speaker 3: would still you know, she always appreciated her audience, no
Speaker 3: matter how many they were or who they were. You know,
Speaker 3: she just loved performing and entertaining people well.
Speaker 1: And then also educator as well, which was just so
Speaker 1: great to see the way that she worked with kids.
Speaker 3: Both her parents, her father being a you know, math
Speaker 3: professor and her mother being a music teacher. I think
Speaker 3: she grew up with teachers in the family and they
Speaker 3: both used you know, her father used magic to teach
Speaker 3: children math, So I think there was just always like
Speaker 3: teaching was always part of it. And I think all
Speaker 3: her early shows, her dad entertained children. So I think
Speaker 3: all her early shows, they was sort of an entertainment.
Speaker 3: They called it like entertainment.
Speaker 1: So what did you actually start on this project.
Speaker 3: Right before COVID.
Speaker 1: How did that affect you? I'm sure that must made
Speaker 1: the interviews almost impossible.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was. It was difficult. I like waited for
Speaker 3: Canada the second the border opened up when in flew there.
Speaker 3: You know, it's hard to interview people, like, especially older
Speaker 3: people when you're wearing a mask, like so that was
Speaker 3: a lot of It didn't really stop us, but it
Speaker 3: made it more difficult.
Speaker 1: I could see the old footage being such a boon
Speaker 1: to this, but yeah, without those interviews, and those interviews
Speaker 1: are wonderful, and I do love like her daughter's voice,
Speaker 1: her family's voice, David Copperfield's voice, and just how did
Speaker 1: you even decide, like when it came to people outside
Speaker 1: of that circle, who you're going to talk to?
Speaker 3: Her family obviously, her sister, her her cousin Eli is
Speaker 3: one of my favorites who's in the film. And then
Speaker 3: David Copperfield represents the magic part, and then finding young
Speaker 3: ventriloquist who influenced by Sherry, and then Sarah Sherman, the
Speaker 3: comedian from SNL was a find out of nowhere because
Speaker 3: somebody said, oh, look on Instagram, she posted her lamb
Speaker 3: chop tattoo, So that was like, that was kind of like,
Speaker 3: I wasn't looking for some a comedian who had a
Speaker 3: lamb chop tattoo, but that seemed to just happen.
Speaker 1: That was such a wonderful moment in the movie. Her
Speaker 1: voice just really added a lot, which I'm not even
Speaker 1: that familiar with her on SNL, but she just really
Speaker 1: brought a lot to that. And Yeah, David Copperfield stuff
Speaker 1: was just incredible, and I was like, I've never really
Speaker 1: seen him interviewed about somebody else other than him.
Speaker 3: He loves Sherry, like he had a crush on her
Speaker 3: watching her and then he was able to meet her
Speaker 3: later in life. And they had a lot in common,
Speaker 3: like the work ethic, because Sherry the worker and so
Speaker 3: is David. So they talked a lot about their philosophy
Speaker 3: on you know, working hard, and I think that's you know,
Speaker 3: Cherry's message really is like you work hard, I want
Speaker 3: and I think David was like that too. And David
Speaker 3: had wanted to be a ventriloquist when he was young.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I really appreciate too. They'd given a nice little history
Speaker 1: of ventriloquism and just where it was at and when
Speaker 1: it comes to vaudeville and entertainment. And I mean it
Speaker 1: still is a marvel to me that Edgar Bergham was
Speaker 1: on the radio.
Speaker 3: That doesn't make sense, does it.
Speaker 1: But does see Mortimer Sheard and lamp Job together. That
Speaker 1: was really nice.
Speaker 3: That came from like an event that Cherry was definitely
Speaker 3: the only woman in that in the show and there
Speaker 3: were several like male male and Lamb Chump was the
Speaker 3: only puppet. Everything else was a big, big dummy the
Speaker 3: Lamb Chop had.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, well, and Sherry could hold her own and
Speaker 1: just her being such a maverick when it came to
Speaker 1: breaking into a male dominated field.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, well I think you know, she says in
Speaker 3: the film that you know, she was raised sort of
Speaker 3: as a It didn't matter that she was a woman,
Speaker 3: you know, And she said if her father had had
Speaker 3: a son, maybe things would have been different, but she
Speaker 3: was just raised, you know, as as a person.
Speaker 1: There was one moment of footage I wanted to ask
Speaker 1: you about particularly, it feels like it's almost like b
Speaker 1: roll or like almost test footage from I think it's
Speaker 1: a good Morning La interview and you're kind of off
Speaker 1: the stage and you can see the other cameras. Do
Speaker 1: you know what moment I'm talking about?
Speaker 3: That was Yeah, that was like kat La or one
Speaker 3: of those shows she was on, I know, and it's
Speaker 3: like spooky. It has this orange sort of thing, so
Speaker 3: that yeah, that just looked a little different. And they
Speaker 3: had a little some b roll in there that I
Speaker 3: was able to use as like Sherry behind you know,
Speaker 3: behind the the chair with her puppet.
Speaker 1: That was great. I thought that was so and just
Speaker 1: felt so not stage like. Of course, she knows she
Speaker 1: is a performer, so getting in front of a camera,
Speaker 1: but that just felt so natural and so behind the scenes.
Speaker 3: I think it was rare that Cherry felt that natural
Speaker 3: on these shows. So, like you, when we found the
Speaker 3: moment that she felt like she was herself where she
Speaker 3: felt comfortable with the person because you could see, you know,
Speaker 3: she directs a lot of the interviews herself in some sense,
Speaker 3: like she doesn't want anyone to tell her anything. Like
Speaker 3: when they ask Lambshop how old you are, she turns
Speaker 3: it around and does what she wants.
Speaker 1: To say, to be able to use Lamb Chop to
Speaker 1: deflect or any of those other puppets. I thought was.
Speaker 3: Brilliant when Cherry was going through She's with her husband
Speaker 3: and she's on a show with Charlie ros Is getting
Speaker 3: you know, having problems and possibly getting a divorce. That's
Speaker 3: really was kind of so out of character for Sherry,
Speaker 3: but often known her husband was sitting there watching, whether
Speaker 3: he was there or watching it at home.
Speaker 1: I can't remember when she passed away.
Speaker 3: I think it was nineteen ninety nine.
Speaker 1: Okay, so you, oh, no problem. I just wanted to
Speaker 1: verify that you didn't actually have a chance to talk
Speaker 1: with her.
Speaker 3: No, we used a lot of a and he had
Speaker 3: done a documentary about her, so we were able to
Speaker 3: and the footage was at UCLA, so we were able
Speaker 3: to get all the archives and the outtakes. So that
Speaker 3: was really good. So that was a good base for
Speaker 3: us to have.
Speaker 1: If you could have sat down with her for an interview,
Speaker 1: what would you asked her?
Speaker 3: I guess more about her relationship with her husband, because
Speaker 3: I think she made him a producer, like he was
Speaker 3: like a trust fund kid. I just wanted to know
Speaker 3: more about that. I think the personal, that personal side
Speaker 3: of things I think I'd like to know about. I
Speaker 3: feel like I know her pretty well. Surey was a
Speaker 3: really practical person, but her husband was doing all these
Speaker 3: crazy things and she would go along with them, and
Speaker 3: I would wonder about what her experience was like meeting,
Speaker 3: you know, being out of her comfort zone. So I
Speaker 3: guess those are the questions I would ask her. Is like,
Speaker 3: in situations where I knew she was out of her
Speaker 3: comfort zone, how did she react or what was that
Speaker 3: like for her? Because she wasn't esoteric, she wasn't that way,
Speaker 3: but she went along and I just she probably would
Speaker 3: have funny stories about things that happened to her. So
Speaker 3: I think that I would ask.
Speaker 1: Her, So, other than a global pandemic, what were some
Speaker 1: of the other challenges you had on this phone with
Speaker 1: Love Gilda?
Speaker 3: It was one hundred percent my film, so it was
Speaker 3: really me and the editor kind of making all the decisions.
Speaker 3: In this case, there is a production company too. There
Speaker 3: were investors, but the investors were great, but there was
Speaker 3: another production company. And I think that in some ways
Speaker 3: people don't know there's so much work that goes into
Speaker 3: making a film that you really get to know who
Speaker 3: this character is and decisions and who their life is.
Speaker 3: And so I think there were times where there were
Speaker 3: comments about trying to make a story that wasn't there
Speaker 3: in there, and so I think that was a little
Speaker 3: bit hard for me that I had to really fight
Speaker 3: with my editor for the film that we believed in
Speaker 3: and the story that we believed in, you know, and
Speaker 3: ultimately we got, you know, mostly what we wanted. So
Speaker 3: I think that's the I didn't have to fight before
Speaker 3: for what I felt was right. So I think that
Speaker 3: was sort of a learning experience of really standing up
Speaker 3: for what you believe in. And you know, I had
Speaker 3: the Sherry, I had the Sherry spirit behind me, you know,
Speaker 3: because no one would have told Sherry how to do
Speaker 3: her show or how to do anything. So I think
Speaker 3: I had that Sherry inspiration behind me to really like
Speaker 3: stand up and say, now, this is this is what
Speaker 3: the story is, and no, that's not who she was,
Speaker 3: and that's not that's a made up situation and there's
Speaker 3: not even mature you know, sometimes you want I mean
Speaker 3: it also, as a director, there's things you want to
Speaker 3: but you don't have the resources and the content to
Speaker 3: tell that story, you know, or that story isn't really true,
Speaker 3: but you wish is that it was true, you know,
Speaker 3: And I think I try to stand behind what is
Speaker 3: true and not make up anything. So I think that's
Speaker 3: that was a little bit of you know, a conflict
Speaker 3: for me is working with people who want to create
Speaker 3: a story that isn't there and trying to and having
Speaker 3: to explain to them that one that's a bad idea,
Speaker 3: two that's not the material that's there, and three that's
Speaker 3: not the truth. And I've heard a lot of directors
Speaker 3: have you know, you work with different people different ways,
Speaker 3: and and some people are easy to work with and
Speaker 3: some people, you know, are not easy to work with.
Speaker 3: But ultimately, when the views come out, no one says, oh,
Speaker 3: the producer did a bad job. They always right, they say,
Speaker 3: oh that director did a bad film, Like so you know,
Speaker 3: you have to kind of really stick up for what
Speaker 3: you believe in. And not that I'm that way, because
Speaker 3: I'm like, I'm always open to other people's opinions and
Speaker 3: we've had rough cut screenings and see what stands out
Speaker 3: and what doesn't work. You know, I'm always listening to audiences,
Speaker 3: Like if the audience doesn't think something worked, like the
Speaker 3: majority of the audience doesn't like something that's obviously not working,
Speaker 3: and if they love it, then it's working. So I
Speaker 3: like that kind of no thing.
Speaker 1: When was the first time you got to see this
Speaker 1: with an audience.
Speaker 3: We did two rough cut screenings that was so that
Speaker 3: was kind of and the second rough cut screening was
Speaker 3: pretty much the film, but you know, it was all
Speaker 3: a lot of industry people. And then at doc NYC
Speaker 3: was where the premie was, but you know, that was
Speaker 3: all of Mallory's family and my friends. So it wasn't
Speaker 3: an honest audience. It was an audience that loved us.
Speaker 3: I think as I started going to the different festivals,
Speaker 3: I got to, you know, see what like people loved
Speaker 3: about the film. My favorite is for people who don't
Speaker 3: know who Sherry is to see the film, who have
Speaker 3: no idea who she is, never heard of her and
Speaker 3: never heard of Lamb Chop. That's you know, and that's
Speaker 3: very rare for most of the audiences have known them,
Speaker 3: because I guess that's why they're seeing the film, But
Speaker 3: the few people who haven't seen the film that you
Speaker 3: know that it moves them and it is inspired by
Speaker 3: Sherry is like probably the best. And also some children
Speaker 3: have come to the performances, so I love their feedback
Speaker 3: on the film too.
Speaker 1: That did I read write that you're doing the documentary
Speaker 1: about Albert Chwan?
Speaker 3: I did. It's done. Oh great, So it's not a
Speaker 3: full documentary. It's sixty minute piece. It showed a comic
Speaker 3: con and then it started going to like the esoteric
Speaker 3: horror film festivals, so that's kind of where where that is.
Speaker 1: So where's the best place for people to see the
Speaker 1: Sherry Lewis doc.
Speaker 3: It opens this on the seventeenth in New York City
Speaker 3: and on the twenty fifth in Los Angeles, and then
Speaker 3: it's going to be available digitally and I'm not sure
Speaker 3: where the plans are, but it should have a pretty
Speaker 3: big release. After there's the Sherry and Lamb Chop Facebook
Speaker 3: page and then three Racist Films is my company, so
Speaker 3: sometimes I post there too.
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Speaker 3: Dum dum dum dum.
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Speaker 3: What is it, Cherry? What's that? What's what? The song
Speaker 3: you're singing?
Speaker 4: Dumb dum dum, dumb dumb dumb, just some dumb song.
Speaker 3: Oh, what did you sing it for us?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 4: Share, you don't want to hear that song?
Speaker 3: Should we do?
Speaker 4: We'll sing along with you, Sharry, you don't want to
Speaker 4: hear this song? Come on, Charlie, all right, but you'll
Speaker 4: be sorry, so make me sorry. And he did this.
Speaker 4: Here's a song that doesn't And yep, it goes on
Speaker 4: and on. My friend, some people started singing it not
Speaker 4: knowing what it was, and they'll continue singing it forever,
Speaker 4: just because this is.
Speaker 5: A song bad does it? No?
Speaker 4: Yes, it goes on and hid my friend, that's enough guy.
Speaker 4: People start it.
Speaker 3: Singing it not knowing.
Speaker 4: What it was, and they'll continue singing it forever, just
Speaker 4: because this is a song bad guys and how to
Speaker 4: turn you on? It goes on and on, my friend, Okay,
Speaker 4: I get the.
Speaker 2: Jeels it, I know it what it was, and they'll
Speaker 2: continue singing forever.
Speaker 5: Just be us.
Speaker 4: It's yes that song that I sing and I believe. Yes,
Speaker 4: it goes on and long time John oh start and
Speaker 4: sing him? And I know anyone it was? And I
Speaker 4: didn't you singing it? And by adjusting God saying hey
Speaker 4: I can't that that's a saying okay, you guys out
Speaker 4: yes it goes on the air.
Speaker 3: I'm my god.
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Speaker 2: Was and bel them oh existed the last time Bright just.
Speaker 1: Being about this is a song that.
Speaker 3: Does and that's not funny.
Speaker 4: Yes it goes on, but that okay.
Speaker 1: If that's what you're going to keep
Speaker 4: Us, I think I want you to go out showing
Speaker 4: that's going