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Speaker 2: Matth It's like we're all ready to go. We're all

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ready to go. Welcome to the longest running independent on

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the ACC podcast in the country. This is Matthew. You

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can follow me on Twitter, as Jeff said, at All

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Sports dACC and we have a great return guest on

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the show tonight, and John Carey. John attended Florida State

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University for undergraduate education, transferred later to the University of

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acronis a sophomore before returning for law school to Florida State.

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He currently works as an attorney. I want to make

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sure I have the city right, John, sometimes it changes.

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Last we spoke, it was in Melbourne, Florida. You can

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follow John on Twitter at CFB WAT What Not NT

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Speaker 2: I'll repeat that again at CFB WHA t NT the

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to where perhaps fashions himself as a college football uniform

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fashions specialist when he's not an attorney. John, Welcome back

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to the All Sports Discussion ACC podcast. Is there anything

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out there you want to plug? Welcome back to you guys.

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Speaker 4: Since you guys brought up the uniform thing, let me

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tell you what. The California Golden Bears, the ACC program, somehow,

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some way that is now part of the Atlantic Coast Conference,

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despite being overlooking the Pacific Ocean from the stadium at Berkeley,

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has the now one of the absolute best uniforms in football.

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I don't know if you guys got a chance to see.

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Speaker 3: The game the other night or the other day, and.

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Speaker 4: Man, those things just look super And it was not

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more than probably ten or fifteen years ago that cal

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probably had the worst uniforms in football.

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Speaker 3: They did the thing.

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Speaker 4: With the like the bear clause on, you know, like

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as if the Bears had clot out part of the

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uniform and they had this weird like pointy stripe thing

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on the helmet, they just looked ridiculous and now they've

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gone all in on a classic look and they just

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look fantastic. And so shout out to cal ACC stalwart

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for having some great uniforms on the field.

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Speaker 2: Well said, well said. So let's get right to it, John,

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Let's look at week nine for ACC football. Which team

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was the most disappointing team on the field for week nine?

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US which ACC team was the most.

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Speaker 3: So the most disappointing.

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Speaker 4: I'm going to point to a team that won, because

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Virginia can't feel good about where they are right now

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despite being seven to one, four and zero undefeated in

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the ACC. After just barely beating North Carolina needing to

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stop a two point conversion to beat them in overtime.

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Nor Airline is terrible, guys. I've seen them play several

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times this year. You know, the Clemson game was obviously

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a disaster, but I saw them also against UCF an

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out a conference game. Ucf' is not a great team

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and UCF just made UNC look ridiculous on the field.

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UNC's getting better. I don't really believe that though, So

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I think despite winning the game, Virginia Tech's got to

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be the or excuse me, Virginia has got to be

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the team that's most disappointed this week after that performance,

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because they just looked completely listless in.

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Speaker 3: The second half.

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Speaker 4: They didn't even score until overtime in the second half.

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team put up any points in the second half.

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Speaker 3: It's just a brutal game.

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Speaker 4: And you know, Virginia for being undefeated, and you know,

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if they keep winning, they'll have a date with Georgia

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Tech and the ACC Champampionship game in Charlotte. But I

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don't see him go running the table the way they

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Speaker 2: Okay, how about your most impressive ACC team?

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Speaker 4: So where we are with most impressive is? I mean,

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just looks like they get better and better every week.

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Speaker 3: Don't they.

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Speaker 4: You know, for Syracuse to or for them to beat

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Syracuse forty one sixteen and the game wasn't really even

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Speaker 3: Know, for all of us.

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Speaker 4: I think watching Miami a few weeks ago, looking like

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Miami was the surefire, you know, ACC winner, probably the

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best team in the conference, going to go to the playoff.

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Now that team looks like Georgia Tech.

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Speaker 3: And so.

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Speaker 4: It'll be really fun to watch them down the stretch

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because they're now eight and oh and have really started

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looking good. And last year, as you recall, they were

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not nearly this good, but they did take Georgia into

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several overtimes and Georgia ended up, of course making the playoffs.

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Hanes King, you know what a fun player to watch.

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we have expected more out of sm you this past week?

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got they that they lost away for it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I saw the end of that game.

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Speaker 4: I didn't see the whole thing, but that was their

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first conference loss other than the conference championship game. They've

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without losing a game, which is rather stunning when you

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think about the way they joined the conference. They are

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basically playing for free for several years and just in

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an effort to get in a major conference and then

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they come in run the table. Last year they did

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lose to Clemson, of course in the ACC Championship game,

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but it was close. They still made the playoff, and

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I didn't expect them to lose this game to Wake Forest.

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early game. And obviously, if I hadn't picked Virginia, this

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is the obvious most disappointing team, right, And I really

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debated between the two, and maybe I shouldn't take a

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team that won over SMU who did lose. But yeah,

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they didn't look very good either. Really disappointing result for them.

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to be in the talk for the either the ACC

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or the playoff at this time. You know, still a

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good season, they're still doing well. But yeah, that was

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obviously another really disappointing performance.

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Speaker 2: Fair enough, fair enough, Jeff, you're upright, all right, John?

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Speaker 1: As we moved towards Week ten, which ACC football game

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are you looking forward to the most in the upcoming week?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, there's several good ones. You look down the whole

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roster of ACC games, and the only one that really

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looks like a stinker. Ironically, is the Friday night National

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TV game between North Carolina and Syracuse That one, you know,

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doesn't have a whole lot of intrigue. Neither of those

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teams are probably bowl teams. It's not going to factor

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into the ACC race. But then you look at the

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rest of the lineup the next day in November first,

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and you've got, you know, Miami at SMU at noon,

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really fascinating game. And after the loss there with SMU,

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can they rebound and beat Miami and Miami team that

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suddenly looks like they're kind of reeling. They came on

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in the second half and really put away Stanford, but

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on Saturday night, but you guys probably saw they were

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tied at seven at halftime, you know, and so they

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look like they're reeling a little bit, But so does SMU.

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the conversation for winning the conference. Duke Clemson's really interesting

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Clemson's still fighting for a bowl game, and you know,

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can can Dabbo turn things around there? Louisville and a

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suddenly research Virginia Tech team that fired their coach and

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now looks a lot better after having done so. And

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Louisville's obviously been playing really well lately. Uh Pittsburgh, they're

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a fun team to watch. They're doing really well. If

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it hadn't been for that game they completely choked against

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West Virginia, you'd be looking at Pittsburgh as potentially a

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team that could could you know, make some noise. And

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they're playing at Stanford, So going across the country Virginia

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and cal again. Can Virginia rebound after that game where

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they won yesterday or Saturday but in not very convincing fashion,

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and then Georgia Tech playing at NC State, And that's

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going to be my pick for the game of the week,

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the one to really keep an eye on, because that's

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what that game's got trapped written all over it. You know,

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NC State is a tough place to play, and they

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haven't been playing real well this year. But that's one

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of those games where Virginia Tech is going to go

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on the road, it's at night, their fans are going

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to be amped up. Or if I said Virginia Tech,

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I met Georgia Tech, and you know, that'll tell us

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a lot about this Georgia Tech team. Are they for real?

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Are they a team that can threaten to run the

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table and win out in the ACC And this may

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be the game that they slip up. So I'll definitely

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have my eye on that one. And then I've got

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to give a little shout out to the other game

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at the same time, Wake Forest at FSU.

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Speaker 3: Much like the first one I talked about.

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Speaker 4: This isn't really a factor in the A C C rankings,

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but as an FSU fan, this is where I'm going

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to have my main TV on and you know, to

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see if we can quell the bleeding a little bit here.

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After going out to the West Coast to see Stanford

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beat Florida State in a game that Florida State frankly

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outplayed them and really really weird game.

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Speaker 3: I was there in.

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Speaker 4: The stadium, I flew out there, came back on Sunday

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night on the Red Eye, and you know, still kind

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of processing what happened out there. Really bizarre game. So

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you know, is this Florida State team just doomed. One

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of the things we've seen in the Norbel teams, I

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think is that when they hit some adversity, they don't

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respond well and obviously losing on the Friday night game

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at Virginia in overtime, you know, electing to tie it

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instead of go for the win at the first overtime,

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and then losing on the second one. You know, that

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you know, one of those weaknight games where or you're

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going on the road, it's a tough atmosphere, except that

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they didn't respond well.

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Speaker 3: They went and.

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Speaker 4: Lost to Miami the next week at home in a

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game that wasn't really as close as the six point

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loss would suggest, and then going out there to Stanford

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and losing a game they should have never lost. So

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around and look good against wake Forest at home and

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continue to crumble. So obviously have my eye on that one.

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think is Georgia Tech at NC State.

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Speaker 1: All right, John, you know, and that brings us to

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the next question about which ACC team could be on

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upset alert in week ten if they're looking to ahead

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to a game on your schedule or just sleep walking

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on the field. And you know, I think you've already mentioned,

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you know, Georgia Tech better be ready for that game

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's certainly one.

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Speaker 4: And you know two others that I'm going to look

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through that game, they could definitely come out of there

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with a loss. And the other one, Matthew, is Louisville's

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playing at Virginia Tech, and that game's gotten really interesting

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all of a sudden. I don't know how good Virginia

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Speaker 3: I think it might be.

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Speaker 1: All right, Matthew, you've got you got something to add here?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I thought John brought up a good, really

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point earlier about how Virginia didn't really look that great

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at North Carolina, and he's absolutely right about that. And

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they're going on the road. If I'm not mistaken, to California.

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This is an East Coast team going out to the

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West coast and these all these California folks get to

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sleep in their own bed and we're gonna see all

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kinds of wild, crazy defensive blitzes from California out there.

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You should watch that game. I think you should have

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your eye on that game because I think John nailed

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something earlier that this isn't the time when you want

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to see your level of play go south. And if

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you're playing on the West coast like Virginia is, you

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need to be you need to be worried. If you're

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worried if you're with Virginia. Yeah, I mean the odds

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I think are what Virginia's favored by four or something

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right now? That seems like that's that seems like that

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that could be a problem I thing I think. But

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what are your thoughts?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think you're absolutely right that West Coast road

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trip can be tough, and hal is a team they've

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got a talented young quarterback. You know, he doesn't have

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the greatest talent around him, but he can definitely make

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things happen. And if Virginia comes in and plays like

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last week, if they don't play better than they did

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against North Carolina, I think they will come out of

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Berkeley with a loss. And let me also say that's

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going to be a fantastic looking game on the field,

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since I'm since we're talking to uniforms earlier, Cal's home

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uniforms look absolutely fantastic and Virginia does too.

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Speaker 3: And you know, those are two of the.

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Speaker 4: Nicest looking uniforms in the country, and they're going to

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be on the same field at a beautiful stadium, in

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a beautiful place, and it should be on.

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Speaker 3: Amen.

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Speaker 2: Amen, go ahead, Jeff, all.

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Speaker 1: Right, John, let's step out of the ACC for a

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bid here. Which national, FBS or FCS game are you

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looking forward to the most in Week ten? And we're

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wide open with this question. This can be a powerfoward game,

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a G five game. You can even have an FCS

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matches and then give us who you think will win

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that game or two.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, So a couple of games really jump out at me.

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And the first one is Penn State at Ohio State. Now,

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this could be a tricky game, and I don't know

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where Penn State is right now. They obviously went into

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the white out game against Oregon, didn't play great, but

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they played well enough. They came back at the end,

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went to overtime Oregon one. Obviously, that's you know, no

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shame in losing to Oregon. Then the next couple weeks

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they just absolutely fell apart. Lost to a UCLA team

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that had been previously winless and looked like the worst

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power for team in the country, then lost to Northwestern,

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who's not any good at all, and it kind of

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makes you think, oh Penn State stinks this is going

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to be a blowout, and maybe it will be. You know,

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Ohio State's favored by over twenty points. I also think

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this might be one of those classic kind of games

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where a team play starts playing awful, their coach gets fired,

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but they have enough talent that they could make it

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a game if they're gonna get back up and you know,

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play for each other coming off a bye week. So

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I'm actually really interested. I know you guys aren't necessarily

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huge Big ten fans, especially you Jeff, but to me,

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that's a really interesting game for that reason because Ohio State,

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for as good as they are, and I do think

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they're the most talented team in the country, they do

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tend to, I think, sometimes sleepwalk through some of these

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noon games, even at home, as we saw last year

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when they lost to a mediocre Michigan team despite being

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the best team in the country and the most talented.

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And that was born out in the playoffs where they

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stopped everybody that they lined up across from. And you know,

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this may be one of those games where you know

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he's gonna Ryan Day's going to take a pretty vanilla

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approach and stick with his game plan even if it's

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not working. And so maybe it's going to be the

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twenty point marginal hold up and Ohio State wins forty

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to twenty, and then people are going to say, well,

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that didn't live up to, you know, the hype that

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John was presenting. But I think it could also be

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one of those games that we look at and say, wow,

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I didn't see that coming. So I'm not necessarily making

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the bold prediction that Ohio State's going to lose to

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Penn State, but it certainly is something to keep an

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eye on and you know, calling out the number one

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team in the country in a quest like this, you know,

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maybe a little bit cliched, but because they're playing a

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team that's a twenty point underdog, and.

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Speaker 3: Because that team has the talent to make this a game.

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Speaker 4: If they can get their heads right and get their

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you know, play for their new coach or their interim

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coach and each other and really turn things around, I

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think it could be interesting. So I'm sure Matthew, though,

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has a great FCS game that he wants to highlight,

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and I'd love to hear it because I'm I'm pretty

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sure I know what it's going to be, probably to

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North Dakota versus South Dakota, Right, Matthew, I don't quite.

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Speaker 2: I haven't really had a chance to take a look

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at honestly, to take a look at the FCS schedule yet, John,

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because I was I mean, it was the big one

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was just past Saturday, right at eight o'clock, and you

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that was a monster game. That was a monstered game.

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You know what's crazy to me is that the top

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four teams in the Missouri Valley are all from the Dakota's.

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Isn't that crazy? And I thought North Dakota would. Honestly,

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and we're talking about the Hawks here will always always

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be known with the sue for me, right, But the

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north University of North Dakota football team I thought would

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take a drop off this year with a new coat

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with it, basically, with a new coaching staff, and they

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may actually be only you know, single point underdogs when

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NBSU comes up to visit Grand Forks this year, which

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is kind of crazy to me. I'm wondering halfway if

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they're going to give North Dakota a chance to host

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college game day when North Dakota visits. Wouldn't that be crazy?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that'd be really neat. And you know, shout out

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to the great White North. I not last year, but

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the year before. I think you may remember that the

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final four of the FCA was I believe like Idaho,

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Montana State, North Dakota State, and South Dakota State, where

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you know, South Dakota State was the farthest South team

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to make that field. And I think that same year

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we had Michigan and Washington playing in the National Championship

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at the FBS level, and you know, both of them

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had beat Texas in Alabama that year to get there,

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and so they you know, not just the North per se,

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but the very far North has really been dominating at

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the FCS level especially, but also you know, with the

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resurgence of the Big Ten with Oregon and Indiana and

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Ohio State. You know, we had a little conversation on

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Twitter or on x I guess a couple of days

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ago where I asked, you, guys, you know, who do

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you have the Big Ten or the field and the

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playoff this year? And I think I'd take the Big

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Ten between Ohio State and Indiana. Man, Indiana is legit

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good like. I've seen him play a few times this year,

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and they are good like not oh, that's a cute

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story like it was last year, you know, where they

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kind of backed into the playoff with a pretty weak

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schedule and when they played the one really tough team

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they played, Ohio State, they looked like they didn't belong

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This year, Indiana's good guys, and I think they could

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now I'm not saying they will, but they're a team

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that's good enough to win at all. And so you know,

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between Ohio State and Indiana, you know, to me, those

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are the top not just the top two teams in

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the rankings. I think those are the two best teams

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in the country. And I can't believe I'm saying that.

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Speaker 2: JM. You coach at University of the Indiana. Did you

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ever think that Indiana would be on national TV against

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Maryland on CBS, John.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and if like it did last week? For sure,

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they were.

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Speaker 4: On national TV against u c l A. And what

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did they beat them? Fifty six to six or something?

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You know, not that UCLA is necessarily great shakes, but

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you know, it was an impressive victory.

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Speaker 3: And I did watch quite a bit of that one.

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Speaker 2: They're crazy for me to see Maryland on there and

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in the same time slot, though, I mean, it's sort

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of fine. I chuckle a little bit, right, I mean,

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good for Indiana forgetting that time slot. But they're all there.

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If I'm not mistaken, uh there, I have to make sure.

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I have to have this right, have the have this right.

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But I think, yeah, Indiana is coming to Maryland. They're

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going to be in College Park. That's crazy that they're

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going to be on CBS. I'm sorry, it's crazy to me.

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Speaker 3: But it's good.

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Speaker 2: It might be worth going out too, all right, Jeff,

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you're our friend.

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Speaker 1: All right, John, and we got two more segments left

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in this podcast. In the next one, we have our

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first open mic segment, and this one's only for our guest.

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So take this anywhere you wanted to go, if you

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wanted to be about Florida State, the playoffs, the coaching carousel.

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Brian Kelly got fired today at another one. I think

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I read that the amount the amount of buyouts being

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paid out this season is like one hundred and forty dollars.

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Just whatever, whatever you got on your mind here in

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this first open mic.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, since you cheeed that one up. You know,

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there's a lot of FSU fans at this point that

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obviously want to see Mike Norvel fired. And I certainly

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understand why the you know, it just doesn't seem to

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be working. But if I'm going to look at the

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administration and give them the benefit of the doubt here,

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I might also say, right now, there are some monster

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jobs open. You know, You've got Florida open, You've got

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Penn State open, You've got now LSU open. As you noticed,

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the competition in the job market were to find a

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good elite coach is going to be nearly impossible. This offseason,

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and you know, who knows what will happen when the

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dominoes start falling. But I don't know if you won't

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necessarily want to get in a bidding war with all

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of those programs to try to find the best coach

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that's out there. Uh, you know, coach sig at Indiana

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obviously signed a massive extension, so he's off the table

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at this point, which is really amazing if you think

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about it. Like you know, one of the things I

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posted a few weeks ago was that if fac were

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to fire Mike Norvel, you know, the best coach on

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the market right now is probably sig at Indiana, and

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it would be a total long shot to get him

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to be able to hire him away from Indiana. And

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you know, that's just tells you I think where we

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are in college football now that.

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Speaker 3: It's it's always.

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Speaker 4: Been money driven, but now if you can stroke the

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checks to hire the big coach to fill your roster

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with big time players, and then if you can also

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get the right chemistry, because obviously you can't just buy

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the best players. You know, a lot of teams, Texas

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being one, you know, have spent a fortune on their roster,

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have five stars all over the place and they're just

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not performing that well.

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Speaker 3: So there's more to.

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Speaker 4: It than that, but just the point that in the

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old days, Indiana wouldn't have been a job that you

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could really make nationally relevant and now it is. And

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you know, we've got the same thing at Texas Tech.

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I know, they lost to Arizona State a week a

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little over a week ago, and that was a game

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where Texas Tech it came back scored with I think

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under a minute left, and Arizona went back. Arizona State

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went right back down and scored and you know, really

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fun game at least at the end. But Texas Tech

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is another one of those teams that that has managed

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to put a lot of money into nil. They've got

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some very wealthy boosters and you know, has a pretty

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good team. It's a team that I wouldn't necessarily want

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to line up against in the playoff if I was,

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you know, a contender, And you know that's kind of

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where we are.

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Speaker 3: Man. It's it's really weird. It's a weird place to.

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00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:36,839
Speaker 4: Be as an FSU fan because for so many years

480
00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:39,799
with Bobby Bowden, you know, you had your coach who

481
00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:43,119
was a legend you had the players because you know

482
00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:45,960
you could mine all the best players in Florida. You're

483
00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:49,279
competing against FS or Miami, en F and UF, but

484
00:27:49,759 --> 00:27:52,559
you know there was plenty to go around. The whole

485
00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:57,759
sport has been completely flipped on its end by the

486
00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:02,720
US Supreme Court with the nil decision as well as

487
00:28:02,839 --> 00:28:08,359
the COVID Area transfer rules, which I really hate those guys.

488
00:28:08,599 --> 00:28:16,319
I know, everybody's a free agent every year, and you

489
00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:19,960
can't rely on having a roster from year to year

490
00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:23,160
that doesn't have a lot of turnover because guys don't

491
00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:24,839
do what they used to do. You know, go there

492
00:28:24,839 --> 00:28:27,640
as a freshman, put in the works, put in the rep,

493
00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:31,000
maybe play a little special teams. Maybe by your sophomore

494
00:28:31,079 --> 00:28:33,559
year you're getting a few reps on the offense or defense.

495
00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:35,920
By your junior year, maybe you're starting. You know, that

496
00:28:36,279 --> 00:28:39,480
was the old days you develop players. Now it's just everybody,

497
00:28:39,759 --> 00:28:42,240
if they don't start as a freshman, they transfer someone

498
00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:45,319
else somewhere else. And you know, if somebody's going to

499
00:28:45,359 --> 00:28:47,640
offer more money, they'll transfer somewhere else, even if they

500
00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:52,160
are playing. And you know some schools have navigated that

501
00:28:52,359 --> 00:28:56,240
landscape well. FSU obviously hasn't, and you know, some other

502
00:28:56,319 --> 00:29:01,039
ACC teams have either. Clemson most notably built a monster

503
00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:06,920
program there and for a time was probably the best

504
00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:09,240
coach in college football. I would have taken him over

505
00:29:09,319 --> 00:29:12,519
Nick Saban during that you know, twenty fifteen to twenty

506
00:29:12,559 --> 00:29:18,559
twenty year era personally, and ever since, you know, between

507
00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:23,880
nil but the transfer rules, he hasn't been able to compete.

508
00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:26,480
He's stubbornly held on to the way he used to

509
00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:28,720
do it before. And you can't win like that anymore.

510
00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:34,839
And so, you know, we've if your program has figured

511
00:29:34,839 --> 00:29:38,480
it out and you're still able to win, God love

512
00:29:38,559 --> 00:29:41,400
you and you're having a great time. But it's a

513
00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:46,599
tough transition for some of us who have followed programs

514
00:29:46,599 --> 00:29:49,440
that have been very good in the past who haven't

515
00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:52,319
been able to figure it out. And you know, Matthew,

516
00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:55,799
Virginia Tech obviously is in a similar boat to FSU.

517
00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:58,000
Speaker 3: You know, you had the legendary coach who was able

518
00:29:58,000 --> 00:29:59,480
to build a program.

519
00:29:59,319 --> 00:30:02,079
Speaker 4: Get some good recruits out of the you know, the

520
00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:07,559
Virginia Beach area, put together some mighty talented teams, had

521
00:30:07,599 --> 00:30:11,160
a lot of success, and then ever since he's retired,

522
00:30:11,319 --> 00:30:14,440
they haven't been able to navigate the new landscape, and

523
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:17,759
Florida State's in the same boat. And you know, with

524
00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:20,359
this offseason, just to put a bow on this from

525
00:30:20,359 --> 00:30:23,839
where it started, I don't know that if you're one

526
00:30:23,839 --> 00:30:25,839
of those teams and Virginia Tech's going to be in

527
00:30:25,839 --> 00:30:29,720
that market looking for a coach, and it's going to

528
00:30:29,799 --> 00:30:36,079
be tough because you're competing with with LSU, with Penn State,

529
00:30:37,079 --> 00:30:41,119
and not only that, you're also competing with the when

530
00:30:41,119 --> 00:30:44,799
the dominoes start falling and they fill their jobs, and

531
00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:47,960
so it is going to be a tough market. Good

532
00:30:48,079 --> 00:30:51,319
luck to you. I can understand why Florida State may

533
00:30:51,319 --> 00:30:54,559
decide to hang on to Norvel for another year, reduce

534
00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:57,480
the buyout. Maybe there'll be a better landscape where they

535
00:30:57,480 --> 00:31:01,599
can find the right guy next year, and you know,

536
00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:04,400
we'll see how it goes. But that's my soapbox, and

537
00:31:04,599 --> 00:31:06,799
thanks for letting me stand on it and talk at

538
00:31:06,839 --> 00:31:07,519
you for a little bit.

539
00:31:10,279 --> 00:31:12,319
Speaker 1: All right, Matthew, I'm gonna turn it over to you

540
00:31:12,359 --> 00:31:14,240
for our last segment.

541
00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:18,960
Speaker 2: Open make the phone, microphone. I can't even say an

542
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:24,599
open microphone? Number two, John, What do you got for us?

543
00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:30,559
Speaker 3: You want another topic?

544
00:31:33,599 --> 00:31:36,240
Speaker 2: Definitely, definitely and it could be just it can be

545
00:31:36,559 --> 00:31:39,279
anything that you any anything that you want to talk about.

546
00:31:39,319 --> 00:31:41,480
How about I find I can also ask you a question.

547
00:31:42,279 --> 00:31:44,519
This is this is actually probably a good time for

548
00:31:44,519 --> 00:31:46,359
me to ask you a question. What do you think

549
00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:49,920
about let's transition to hoops? John, Tell me about tell

550
00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:52,920
me about Tell me about where you think Florida State

551
00:31:53,599 --> 00:31:56,640
men's basketball is headed under the new coach recruiting, how's

552
00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:59,480
he working relationships with fans? Tell me about a.

553
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:02,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean we talked about it at the preseason

554
00:32:02,359 --> 00:32:06,279
FSU football on the basketball topic came up, and I

555
00:32:06,319 --> 00:32:09,519
told you a little bit about Luke Lux, former player

556
00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:13,799
during their probably most successful era under coach Ham. Not

557
00:32:13,839 --> 00:32:17,039
necessarily the most successful team, because that was the COVID

558
00:32:17,079 --> 00:32:19,240
team that was probably going to be a one seed

559
00:32:19,319 --> 00:32:22,359
and was probably had a good shot at winning the

560
00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:25,160
national championship or at least making a Final four. But

561
00:32:25,279 --> 00:32:27,920
the best era was the Luke Lux era. You know,

562
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:32,799
Michael Snare. They won the ACC beating like you know,

563
00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:35,920
Duke in North Carolina to get there when North Carolina

564
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:41,200
was still a special program anyhow, and Luke Lox was

565
00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:44,799
the point guard on that team, not talented enough to

566
00:32:44,799 --> 00:32:48,319
make it to the NBA, but he did play overseas professionally,

567
00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:50,880
and then came back and got an assistant job in

568
00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:54,599
the NBA for the Sacramento Kings, and then FSU hired

569
00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:57,680
him to replace coach Ham And so far, so good,

570
00:32:57,720 --> 00:33:00,200
I think, you know, it's always tough to tell. Well,

571
00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:03,559
you're working on a pretty short period to try to

572
00:33:03,559 --> 00:33:07,440
put a roster together, and college basketball obviously has the

573
00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:11,440
same issues that college football does with nil and with

574
00:33:11,599 --> 00:33:15,880
the transfer rules, and so there's not a whole lot

575
00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:17,920
of consistency from one year to the next.

576
00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:20,720
Speaker 3: They have played a couple exhibition games.

577
00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:24,960
Speaker 4: They whipped Florida A and M today, which is probably

578
00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:27,799
what you would expect them to do, the crosstown team.

579
00:33:28,519 --> 00:33:33,960
And the last week they played Alabama, who's obviously been

580
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:37,680
a nationally relevant program, Final four team a couple of

581
00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:42,160
years ago, you know, really good offensive team. And I

582
00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:45,039
think the score was Alabama one hundred and nine, Florida

583
00:33:45,079 --> 00:33:47,799
State one hundred and five or something like that. Now,

584
00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:50,599
you know, it's an exhibition game, so who knows how

585
00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:52,119
much defense was being played.

586
00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:53,160
Speaker 3: I didn't get to see it.

587
00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:56,440
Speaker 4: You know, it may be in one of those things

588
00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:58,480
where they were running up and down the court and

589
00:33:58,519 --> 00:34:01,079
nobody was really defending real high It wouldn't surprise me

590
00:34:01,119 --> 00:34:04,039
if that was the case with that score. But at least,

591
00:34:04,319 --> 00:34:06,279
you know, it's encouraging that they've got a team that

592
00:34:06,359 --> 00:34:08,480
can put the ball in the net. And we'll see

593
00:34:08,519 --> 00:34:12,360
how it goes when they start playing against real competition

594
00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:13,400
and games that count.

595
00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:16,239
Speaker 3: But so far, pretty encouraging.

596
00:34:16,519 --> 00:34:18,960
Speaker 4: You know, you never know, especially with a guy who's

597
00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:23,239
a first time head coach, how it'll pan out. And

598
00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:26,000
you know, maybe that we look back on this a

599
00:34:26,039 --> 00:34:28,360
is you know what an amazing hire. Glad we got

600
00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:31,280
him before someone else did. Maybe that we look back

601
00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:33,079
at it and say, well, I guess that's why you

602
00:34:33,119 --> 00:34:35,360
need to hire somebody with head coaching experience, you know.

603
00:34:35,599 --> 00:34:37,280
So who knows how it'll play out over the next

604
00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:40,719
couple of years. But it was pretty clear that coach

605
00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:45,360
Hamilton's teams were very stagn at the last couple of years.

606
00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:48,840
There was no momentum in the program. The recruits kind

607
00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:53,000
of stopped coming. And you know, again a coach that

608
00:34:53,079 --> 00:34:56,639
had a legendary status but wasn't really able to navigate

609
00:34:56,719 --> 00:35:00,079
the new era of college basketball, and so he you

610
00:35:00,199 --> 00:35:03,480
retired and I with that they could have got him

611
00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:06,159
his final four in the year two thousand, but you know,

612
00:35:06,199 --> 00:35:11,000
it wasn't meant to be, I guess, But so got

613
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:14,760
a young new coach who's only in his thirties, and

614
00:35:15,199 --> 00:35:18,079
you know, we'll see how it goes. I'm I'm excited

615
00:35:18,159 --> 00:35:20,880
to see the season tip off so that we can

616
00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:23,920
see them play in some games that count though, and

617
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:26,280
hopefully they'll be able to, you know, win most of

618
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:28,639
their out of conference games because they don't have a

619
00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:30,360
super tough out of conference.

620
00:35:30,039 --> 00:35:30,880
Speaker 3: Schedule this year.

621
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:35,119
Speaker 4: They have haven't scheduled very aggressively, which means they really

622
00:35:35,119 --> 00:35:37,360
need to win most of the games they're playing in.

623
00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:40,800
And so if they go into ACC play with only

624
00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:42,960
a couple losses, you know, it could be fun. It

625
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:44,760
could be an interesting season.

626
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:48,000
Speaker 2: Well one follow up for me, and I'm going to

627
00:35:48,119 --> 00:35:50,000
use this as my I'm going to use this as

628
00:35:50,079 --> 00:35:56,960
my my open microphone. John. Apparently tom Izzo was not

629
00:35:57,199 --> 00:36:02,280
happy at all that you know, perhaps Louisville has a

630
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:04,440
you know, has a G League player on its team,

631
00:36:04,559 --> 00:36:08,039
right and that sort of thing. Apparently he was unaware

632
00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:11,400
that they were that these players were eligible and stuff

633
00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:14,760
like that, and it's my assertion. John, correct me if

634
00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:17,480
I'm wrong. Maybe I'm making it too I don't want

635
00:36:17,519 --> 00:36:22,039
to make this too simplistic of a reference here, but

636
00:36:22,199 --> 00:36:28,679
college hockey for years, years and years and years has

637
00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:33,000
either taken the Canadian or US juniors into its into

638
00:36:33,039 --> 00:36:36,679
its into its ranks. This is a well known fact.

639
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:41,960
How is should we be upset about this? Should we

640
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:45,599
be as upset about this as Tom Izzo is, or

641
00:36:45,639 --> 00:36:48,320
should we realize that there really wasn't a hell of

642
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:50,800
a lot of difference between those two sports and the

643
00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:53,639
NCAA is just catching up well.

644
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:56,920
Speaker 4: And it's an interesting point because you know, the whole

645
00:36:57,039 --> 00:36:59,400
thing when the J League started, what was it about

646
00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:01,960
ten years ago? Was are they going to be able

647
00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:06,079
to get top end prospects now to go play college

648
00:37:06,079 --> 00:37:07,559
football or college basketball?

649
00:37:07,599 --> 00:37:08,079
Speaker 3: Excuse me?

650
00:37:08,519 --> 00:37:12,239
Speaker 4: When they can go get paid to play G League level?

651
00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:18,039
And now with the nil rules, I can't imagine the

652
00:37:18,079 --> 00:37:21,679
G League is paying what Louisville's paying, right, so is

653
00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:23,840
if he was going to play at the G League

654
00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:27,039
instead of a top tier conference. Is the G League

655
00:37:27,119 --> 00:37:29,800
now almost like a feeder conference to the big time

656
00:37:30,679 --> 00:37:33,199
college programs where you know.

657
00:37:33,159 --> 00:37:34,679
Speaker 3: You can go into the G League.

658
00:37:34,679 --> 00:37:38,400
Speaker 4: If you're not being recruited by big time schools, you know,

659
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:40,480
maybe make a bit of a name for yourself against

660
00:37:40,559 --> 00:37:43,440
that competition and then you know, get a couple million

661
00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:46,239
dollar NIL deal with a Louisville or some other school

662
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:51,960
like that. Because I'm just not seeing the whole controversy there.

663
00:37:52,119 --> 00:37:55,159
And look, I love Tom Azoh. He's been great for

664
00:37:55,559 --> 00:37:59,920
Michigan State and for college basketball for thirty something years now.

665
00:38:00,119 --> 00:38:04,119
Is also a distant relative of mine. Believe it or not.

666
00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:08,760
My dad's side of the family is from the Iron Mountain,

667
00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:14,639
Michigan area, where the Izzo's are from, and he I've

668
00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:18,880
heard through family law anyhow is married to or has

669
00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:25,880
somehow married or my one of my maybe aunts, cousins

670
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:29,960
or something is married into the Izzo family. So you know,

671
00:38:30,159 --> 00:38:32,840
so I've got only love for him. But this seems

672
00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:35,239
like a silly thing to get hung up on because

673
00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:38,719
in the NIL era, if you're if you can go

674
00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:40,599
play for the G League or you can go play

675
00:38:40,639 --> 00:38:43,599
for Louisville, why would you play for the G League?

676
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:48,440
The only poll before this, and even before NIL era,

677
00:38:49,519 --> 00:38:52,159
most guys would go to the top tier colleges Anyways,

678
00:38:52,199 --> 00:38:55,760
over the G League, and now with them being able

679
00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:59,239
to play, is that even is a G League player

680
00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:02,559
even at the same level as a top tier college player.

681
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:06,199
I can't imagine it would be. So yeah, it seems

682
00:39:06,199 --> 00:39:07,800
like a silly thing to get worked up over.

683
00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:13,480
Speaker 2: Amen. Amen, Jeff, you're upright.

684
00:39:18,039 --> 00:39:25,599
Speaker 1: H Yeah, We're We got college basketball right around the corner.

685
00:39:26,119 --> 00:39:30,159
And I don't know if you all caught the Duke

686
00:39:30,559 --> 00:39:34,000
tennis Duke playing at Tennessee tonight in an exhibition game.

687
00:39:34,079 --> 00:39:37,840
I caught some of that game, and you know, like

688
00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:40,800
you like, like John said earlier, it's an exhibition game.

689
00:39:41,159 --> 00:39:43,719
You don't know, you know quite how much the players

690
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:49,840
are into, you know, defense or whatever. But I think

691
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:54,880
that the Tennessee Duke game, those guys were into it.

692
00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:56,960
They were trying to win. There was a good crowd

693
00:39:57,000 --> 00:40:01,280
in Knoxville, and Duke looks. Duke, look legit. They're gonna

694
00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:04,199
win a lot of games. So if anyone thought they

695
00:40:04,199 --> 00:40:07,960
were going to back up from last year's Final four team,

696
00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:11,760
I don't. I don't see it. The uh, the the

697
00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:15,760
Boozer kids, they're gonna be They're gonna be a huge

698
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:17,880
problem with Dukes. I think they're gonna I think they're

699
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:20,719
gonna be as good as advertised. And then also as

700
00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:27,039
we get into November, it's really refreshing to see, you know,

701
00:40:27,159 --> 00:40:31,000
the A C C be right in the thick of

702
00:40:31,079 --> 00:40:35,679
the playoff discussion and not just with one team, with

703
00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:39,159
multiple teams. And you know, we've we've kind of alluded

704
00:40:39,199 --> 00:40:44,159
to it all during the podcast. You know, Miami is there,

705
00:40:45,679 --> 00:40:48,280
you know, on the top ten to college football playoff rings.

706
00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:50,360
I think it come out this week. You know, Georgia

707
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:53,400
Tech eight, No, can they keep it going? Louisville and

708
00:40:53,559 --> 00:40:57,000
Virginia with just one loss, you know, all four teams

709
00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:02,159
control their destiny to get into the playoffs, at least

710
00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:05,719
Virginia Georgia Tech. I think Miami, if they went out,

711
00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:08,840
they're going to be in Louisville. I think at eleven

712
00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:11,800
and one, even if they don't make the ACC Championship

713
00:41:11,840 --> 00:41:16,079
is going to find is going to find their way in.

714
00:41:17,599 --> 00:41:21,199
But just having like multiple teams and the ACC playing

715
00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:26,639
meaning foot, meaningful football in November is going to be excited.

716
00:41:26,679 --> 00:41:28,679
And I also think, you know, this kind of tells

717
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you that the playoff doesn't need to be expanded across

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the country. You know, the Big ten the SEC, Big twelve, ACC.

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I mean, it looks like there's not going to be

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a three loss team that's going to have any chance

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at the playoffs. And I really believe that that a

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three loss team, I don't care what conference they're playing in,

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is not going to have any chance to make the playoffs.

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And that's what you would definitely lose if you expand it,

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you know, even further, or if you have these multiple

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AQ bids. You know that the Big Ten was trying

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so hard for to try to get four in when

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and you know, here's the season. Clearly, you know they

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only have two teams that I would say are bona fide,

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you know, playoff caliber teams, and that's Indiana, Ohio State,

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you know, Oregon if they went out, yeah they're they're

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playoff team. But if you give them a second loss,

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you know, I'm not I'm not. I'm not convinced when

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their signature win is over a bad Penn State team

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that that's that's a playoff team. And so you're only

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looking at two teams truly possibly from.

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Speaker 3: The Big Ten.

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Speaker 1: And here at one point we were trying to fight

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for four a Q bids. I think that the current

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setup is the right setup. You know, we're not going

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to ever be able to go back to the ball

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bids or the BCS. I mean, I'm if it were me,

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I would still my my my proposal would always have

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been have the bowl systems the way you had it

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and have a plus one. But we're never going to

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get that. And you know, I hope these conference commissioners

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and the folks in charge of the playoffs, you know,

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kind of realize that. I think twelve is where we

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need to stay at. We don't need further expansion, we

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don't need eight extra AQ bids, And the current format

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leaves a lot of teams with a chance entering November

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to play. I mean, if you looked at in one

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of those in the AP or coaches pull, I mean

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one through twenty can still play their way very much

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into the to the playoffs. So I think November is

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it's just going to be wild. It's going to be

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a lot of fun.

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Speaker 2: Amen. Amen, everybody's still there.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, what do you got, Matthew? You gotta have something

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on your mind.

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Speaker 2: Hey, you know, I'm just telling you I'm excited here

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or the NHL season to begin to start, just and

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college hockey. I'm thrilled. I'm thrilled both have both have

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started up. I think that Minnesota and North Dakota should

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never end that that hockey series. They've they've they've agreed

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to a deal for the next, over, the next, over

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the next, Like I think it's over the next four years.

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I'd like it never to end. North Dakota split a

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series with with Minnesota at home and then one on

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the road to clarks coult the car and split a

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series to Clarkson College. I think college hockey doesn't shy

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away from those matchups, probably because there there are fewer

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teams a but it's much easier to now that you

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now that the Big Ten has its own conference, it's

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much easier to shy away from those matchups. But you know,

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this past weekend again Minnesota and Minnesota Duluth played, and

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Minnesota Duluth took two from Minnesota, And which tells me

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what John I missed the w c h A. Bring

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it back, bro, bring it back, bring back.

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Speaker 3: That that era.

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Speaker 4: Ccha, w c cha. It was a fun time in

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college hockey. And you know, before before Arizona State was

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a national power, and before Western Michigan was gonna was

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a national champion, you know. I mean, it's wild how

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it's changed, but it's still a ton of fun. I

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watched the Michigan State Boston College game because I'm a

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you know, as I kind of alluded to earlier, I

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am a Michigan State fan as well. My dad went

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there as an undergrad. I actually went there for a

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short time in grad school. Didn't get a degree from there,

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but uh, you know, I do like the Spartans and

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there they might be one of the best teams in

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the country.

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Speaker 3: This year.

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Speaker 4: They went into Boston U and just pushed them around,

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and you know, so, uh, it should be a fun

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season and and I'm looking forward to trying to get

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to watch a little college hockey here and there when

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I can.

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Speaker 3: CBS Sports as a great resource for.

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Speaker 4: That, you know, because they do have games on there

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from time to time, and you know, check it out

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and it's fun. It's a fun game to watch. It's

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very wide open.

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Speaker 2: Definitely, definitely, John, thank you so much for spending your

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Sunday evening with us on the All Sports Discussion ACC podcast.

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We loved having you come on the show, and we'd

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love to have you come on the show again sometime.

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Speaker 4: Hey, I appreciate you whenever you invite me. Thanks for

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having me on again.

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Speaker 2: All right, have a great week guys, take care.

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Speaker 3: Thanks