Speaker 1: Hey, welcome back to Pluck Vacation Unofficial Vinegar Syndrome Podcast.
Speaker 2: This is episode thirty two.
Speaker 1: As y'all know, we're using this as a as a
Speaker 1: platform to find the joy in unfettered creativity. This is
Speaker 1: a podcast dedicated to bringing awareness and context to movies
Speaker 1: of any budget, from anywhere and during any time. Eli,
Speaker 1: how you doing today?
Speaker 3: Doing great? Oh good? We're doing We're actually having back
Speaker 3: and forth before, but my on the spot answer is
Speaker 3: I'm doing good. Had a good new year. Watched a
Speaker 3: lot of the November December titles. Actually this past weekend
Speaker 3: I blasted through a bunch of them. Yeah, I watched.
Speaker 3: I watched Stunt Hall and Time Crimes and hadn't seen
Speaker 3: both in like almost twenty years, so they were very
Speaker 3: due for rewatches on that.
Speaker 1: Hell yeah, well that's perfect. Lead And the other voice
Speaker 1: you're hearing is employee number one Vinegar Syndrome. He is
Speaker 1: the lead film scanning technician, restoration artist and a producer
Speaker 1: slash director for a Konoscope line newly announced sub label
Speaker 1: at VS Brandon Ebson.
Speaker 4: How are you, sir, I'm doing well. Thank you for
Speaker 4: having me on again. It's been a while.
Speaker 3: Absolutely yeah, so you've been at VS almost as long
Speaker 3: as it's been since I've seen time crimes in Stunhall Syndrome.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you min it's like five or six years.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, Yeah.
Speaker 2: That's amazing.
Speaker 1: Well, last time we were on is a bit more general,
Speaker 1: and we're trying to find the right time to kind
Speaker 1: of connect again. And I'm so glad that kind of
Speaker 1: scope came out because this gave us a perfect opportunity
Speaker 1: to hear from you again. But before we get too
Speaker 1: much into that line specifically, how you've been good.
Speaker 4: This year has been one of the one of the
Speaker 4: craziest years for twenty twenty five for me personally too,
Speaker 4: not only just you know, our regular Vinegar Syndrome slate
Speaker 4: and working with our great team of restoration artists and
Speaker 4: director and just different people working on everything, you know,
Speaker 4: and but not only that, and then all my weekends,
Speaker 4: all my nights, just getting I kind of scope ready
Speaker 4: as much asly possible. And it's not just me either,
Speaker 4: We have just everybody who has pitched in and helped out,
Speaker 4: and I've thanked a lot of them, and I'm like
Speaker 4: my social media and everything too. It's been it's been
Speaker 4: crazy getting it together, but this has been one of
Speaker 4: the busiest years ever. And then on top of all
Speaker 4: of that, like in September, I unfortunately had a miss
Speaker 4: I sell it a couple of conventions too for vinegar syndrome,
Speaker 4: and one is the local Connecticut one, and then also
Speaker 4: Chiller Theater in New Jersey. I had miss both because
Speaker 4: you know, thirty nine years old and all of a sudden,
Speaker 4: my appendix goes and what's funny is and this is true,
Speaker 4: my appendix burst. And I didn't realize it burst for
Speaker 4: four days and I was walking around I went to work, dude,
Speaker 4: I so, yeah, a little bit health wise in the past,
Speaker 4: I've had really bad kidney stones, and oddly enough, my
Speaker 4: appendix burst thing. And I'm sure people listening are like,
Speaker 4: what the fuck are you talking about? And that didn't
Speaker 4: feel as bad as kidney stones I had in the past,
Speaker 4: so I thought I just had bad food poisoning and
Speaker 4: I was just sloopy from that. And like the day
Speaker 4: after it burst, I felt great, like because and the
Speaker 4: doctor was like, well, yeah, because it bursts and you
Speaker 4: don't have pain now, but it's it's bad, like yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: four days and all the doctors they're like how were
Speaker 4: you walking? Like anything didn't seem weird, and but I'm like, no,
Speaker 4: just it felt like I got punched in the kidney
Speaker 4: and I was recovering from that, Like it felt like
Speaker 4: I got a bruise on my right side for some reason.
Speaker 1: I'll meet you. I'll meet you on this one. Okay,
Speaker 1: I don't have I don't have an appendix story. But
Speaker 1: if we're telling gross medical stories, yeah, appropriate, it's appropriate
Speaker 1: for a vinegar syndrome podcast.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So I got into ssectomy right yeah, yeah, and my
Speaker 1: boss started hurting like day two and getting bigger.
Speaker 2: But I was like, okay, this is part of the
Speaker 2: healing process. Again.
Speaker 1: We started getting bigger and bigger, and then by like
Speaker 1: day three or four, same thing.
Speaker 2: I just had these giant swollen testicles and it hurt.
Speaker 1: I was walking around like like bow legged, like you know,
Speaker 1: like a just and I couldn't close my legs and
Speaker 1: everything hurt.
Speaker 2: Telling I wasn't helping, and I.
Speaker 1: Was like, oh, I wonder if I should check a
Speaker 1: doctor that I went to the doctor. He's like, what
Speaker 1: are you doing, He's like, you're infected?
Speaker 3: Well yeah, look, hey, if if if people here haven't
Speaker 3: seen a bullet syndrome. Yet this is I feel like
Speaker 3: a great perfect People should go see a bullet syndrome
Speaker 3: because this is just a great like, uh, this is cat.
Speaker 3: This is cat too, if you will. The conversation is
Speaker 3: it's funny.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 3: Every person I know that had of a sectomy, I
Speaker 3: had one as well, but like I, it always has
Speaker 3: like a story about this, and I for some reason,
Speaker 3: mine was super seamless outside of the usual kind of
Speaker 3: like maintenance. But I'm like, damn, I was fully expecting
Speaker 3: to just have like a rough month, and shockingly, after
Speaker 3: like a week, I was, I was, I was back
Speaker 3: to like in full form, and so I wish I
Speaker 3: could join I. You know, I I do have other stories,
Speaker 3: but they're none of them are like medically fun. They're
Speaker 3: all just like, oh, you know what happened to me
Speaker 3: once when I was a kid. I just had a
Speaker 3: like that.
Speaker 1: I just think it's appropriate that we should call out
Speaker 1: that there's a lot of heart spoken right now, knowing
Speaker 1: that you just got to aseect me.
Speaker 2: So sorry, everybody.
Speaker 3: Good luck folks. If you were if you were lined up,
Speaker 3: well it's time to go find another suitor.
Speaker 4: Jeez. Yeah. But yeah, like no with what you're saying too,
Speaker 4: just everything anything medical. Of course it had to happen
Speaker 4: the year I'm watching trying to launch a label, you know,
Speaker 4: and it basically put me down for like a month
Speaker 4: recovering and everything, and and it was bad. And they're like, yeah,
Speaker 4: like we we did the surgery. Everything went well there,
Speaker 4: but like we we can't even guarantee one hundred percent
Speaker 4: you were like perfectly clean and and you're not gonna
Speaker 4: go septic again. And a week or two, so the
Speaker 4: next two weeks were like, oh, I can't do anything, like.
Speaker 1: And you know in the back of your mind that
Speaker 1: like people are having to pick up the work, and
Speaker 1: you're just like, come on.
Speaker 4: And I'm a guy. I I I do work from
Speaker 4: home when I have to, like in terms of just
Speaker 4: additional restoration whenever I can to like yep, help us,
Speaker 4: you know, get ahead, is it if we can. And
Speaker 4: but I love being with people in the building and
Speaker 4: just doing the film, you know. And so this one
Speaker 4: really sucked basically, but I recovered and then made it happen,
Speaker 4: you know, and it's basically I still kind of been
Speaker 4: on It's not even cloud nine necessarily. It's just like
Speaker 4: surreal that I kind of Scope has launched in general.
Speaker 1: Well, and let's pusitive for one secon and then let's
Speaker 1: just right back into that comment because I think I
Speaker 1: just want to get people a previous. So the reason
Speaker 1: you're on is kind of for two reasons, right, well
Speaker 1: three reasons. One because you're awesome, two because we want
Speaker 1: to talk about the new releases and every week that
Speaker 1: came out, and three is to talk about the launch
Speaker 1: of Iconoscope. But I feel like you've set this up perfectly,
Speaker 1: So do you mind kind of walking us through the
Speaker 1: origin of the idea and how it was getting the rights?
Speaker 1: And maybe I don't know how Warner Brothers plays into that,
Speaker 1: but if you want to talk about that at all,
Speaker 1: but I would love to just hear that story of
Speaker 1: what does.
Speaker 2: It take to launch a label within vinegar syndrome.
Speaker 4: So it all depends. I mean, they've been you know,
Speaker 4: I work with them for fourteen years, like close to
Speaker 4: fourteen years. The years are hard to hard to gauge
Speaker 4: at this point, but I love working with them. I
Speaker 4: love my job, I love doing everything I do, and
Speaker 4: when they came to me about this, I'm like absolutely,
Speaker 4: Like I also can't like we came to each other
Speaker 4: about this too, and because it is something that's been
Speaker 4: talked about in previous years. I know we had our
Speaker 4: uh going back aways, we had a oh man, it's
Speaker 4: a blur.
Speaker 3: What was televised? Sarah?
Speaker 4: Thank you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've been waiting like a hawk to jump on
Speaker 3: that because I knew, I figured that was. I know
Speaker 3: that that that was. That was like a while back,
Speaker 3: like at least three or four years ago, I want
Speaker 3: to say.
Speaker 4: And those I just I love those films too. I
Speaker 4: love I mean, I've loved TV movies and just I
Speaker 4: I probably on average do watch more just television shows
Speaker 4: than movies in general, probably, but like those classic TV movies,
Speaker 4: I love them. I'm always you know, discovering more and
Speaker 4: more too for myself. That and I grew up, like
Speaker 4: I said, I'm thirty nine, and I grew up in
Speaker 4: the nineties. I And I'm sure you guys remember this too.
Speaker 4: When for some of the younger viewers out there, sometimes
Speaker 4: if you read TV Guide, they this is before the
Speaker 4: internet got started, not started, but before like trailers on
Speaker 4: YouTube or anything like that became a thing. They would
Speaker 4: premiere trailers on television and it was kind of a
Speaker 4: big deal. And kind of the little South Park joke
Speaker 4: or the whole like where they're waiting for the Terrence
Speaker 4: and Phillip at movie, the teaser to show Russell Crouch Show,
Speaker 4: but I stayed up watching for the Jurassic Park the
Speaker 4: Lost World trailer TV spot was announced it was gonna
Speaker 4: premiere for the Michael Bean Made for TV movie asteroid.
Speaker 4: I think it's yeah, and it's a wild one asteroid.
Speaker 4: I think hits Dallas, Texas, I believe, And it's it was,
Speaker 4: you know that it was. The film was like amazing.
Speaker 4: I thought it was great at the time. It's been
Speaker 4: it's been a few years since I rewatched it. But
Speaker 4: and but that was like a thing like you would
Speaker 4: you would watch TV because you didn't know when a
Speaker 4: teaser trailer was gonna premiere as it were. So but yeah,
Speaker 4: it was that, you know. And then in the nineties
Speaker 4: I watched all made for TV films and then kind
Speaker 4: of related. One of my favorite television versions, which I
Speaker 4: know Keno larber Uh put out semi recently, like they
Speaker 4: probably have the best version is the Needful Things three
Speaker 4: hour cut, which is you could only watch it on
Speaker 4: T and T. I want to say that way back.
Speaker 3: When, that's right, Yeah, I remember that very well.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and with the commercials it was like four hours long.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it was a full it was. It was
Speaker 3: your Sunday afternoon. But when you're a kid at that
Speaker 3: age back then, with no like all right chair or
Speaker 3: like even even means of getting around, like that's how
Speaker 3: you spent a Sunday afternoon or even like a Sunday
Speaker 3: night at six o'clock because you know it'd be over
Speaker 3: at ten and like, and that was during like the
Speaker 3: peak Stephen King TV miniseriies movie series era. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 3: Storm of the Century, his version of the Shining and
Speaker 3: like other stuff like that.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah, like all all of that stuff. And
Speaker 4: then I grew when I was growing up, when I
Speaker 4: was really young, and I Chris, I may have, I
Speaker 4: can't remember. I may have mentioned this a little bit
Speaker 4: in the first episode we talked about. But my when
Speaker 4: I was like god under ten, like between five and ten,
Speaker 4: my first exposure to horror movies was through of all people,
Speaker 4: my grandmother and my great aunt, because they loved watching
Speaker 4: like seventies and eighties horror movies, but they did not
Speaker 4: like watching them by themselves. It didn't matter I was
Speaker 4: five and ten parte to ten, I I saw a
Speaker 4: Texas chainsaw and ask a way way too young, like
Speaker 4: I because I remember the kin the wheelchair getting like
Speaker 4: chopped up. That still is in my brain seeing that
Speaker 4: when I was like way too young.
Speaker 2: But it's only supposed to have a PG rating, right, yeah.
Speaker 4: I don't know how, like yeah, it's crazy, but related
Speaker 4: it was that at that time period. I definitely somehow
Speaker 4: saw for made for TV films. Uh not which is funny,
Speaker 4: not Deadly Bees or the Killer Bees or the Savage Bees.
Speaker 4: I forget that's one of those. Is the original, but
Speaker 4: the sequel, uh Terror out of the Sky. Uh, somehow
Speaker 4: I saw that when it was a repeat obviously because
Speaker 4: it was made in the seventies. But and I I
Speaker 4: loved it like I loved it back then. I had
Speaker 4: the Blue right now from Keno two, and uh, it's
Speaker 4: just one of those where I was just like, wow,
Speaker 4: I can't believe, like these movies are out there and everything,
Speaker 4: but when you try to find a tape of it,
Speaker 4: A lot of the TV movies never made it to
Speaker 4: tape either. I didn't realize like that was a thing too.
Speaker 4: A lot of them did. But not a lot of
Speaker 4: them did not to this day, they still have it.
Speaker 4: You know, some are some are really tricky to check out.
Speaker 4: So going forward to now, yeah, since like televised tear,
Speaker 4: but also since another big favorite of mine I always
Speaker 4: champion as Moona the Wolf for VSA, I love that
Speaker 4: one too, And then we started talking about, you know, hey,
Speaker 4: what if we just concentrate on television, anything television related,
Speaker 4: whether it's a TV movie, miniseries, full episode series. You know,
Speaker 4: I want to that's what I want to work on too,
Speaker 4: and you know, we said, yeah, let's do it. And
Speaker 4: related around that time was when Warner Brothers was being
Speaker 4: you know, a deal was being made and which was great,
Speaker 4: and that's when we started looking you know, through their
Speaker 4: back catalog too and realized, oh man, we could do
Speaker 4: a lot of great things for this too, and alongside that,
Speaker 4: for what's coming out when people see this too. By
Speaker 4: the time people see this, the veil will have been
Speaker 4: announced outside of Don't Be Afraid the Dark. And not
Speaker 4: only do I love both of them and it was
Speaker 4: amazing to work on both of them and get everything out,
Speaker 4: but I think it kind of shows what we can do,
Speaker 4: like not just the big studio own stuff too, but
Speaker 4: also stuff that is. The Veil arguably has had plenty
Speaker 4: of DVD releases in the past, but they've all been
Speaker 4: kind of like scattershot, you know, some had a couple
Speaker 4: extra episodes, some did not, a lot of them did
Speaker 4: not have those. But the Veil is the first time
Speaker 4: it's the complete everything related to it, including the two
Speaker 4: versions of the pilot, which were one of them was
Speaker 4: really lost forever. But uh, we could get into that
Speaker 4: in a bit too, so but yeah, it since then,
Speaker 4: I'm just excited for what the future holds for Iconoscope
Speaker 4: and I'm hoping people dig it.
Speaker 3: So and it's all stuff that was I mean, I
Speaker 3: think this is an obvious answer, but I still want
Speaker 3: to ask it. It's all stuff that obviously was shot
Speaker 3: on film in some capacity, because that's kind of the
Speaker 3: that that fits with the VA I mean, because most
Speaker 3: TV movies really up until I would say the streaming era,
Speaker 3: or even like when when Cable had its like that
Speaker 3: kind of second Golden Age in two thousand and seven,
Speaker 3: you know that kind of like post Sopranos mad Men era,
Speaker 3: even a lot of those were shot on film. But
Speaker 3: but mostly everything I'm assuming is is shot on film.
Speaker 3: It's not like it's not like a degoser thing or anything.
Speaker 4: No, But at the same time, there may be out
Speaker 4: on video stuff as well.
Speaker 3: That okay, cool.
Speaker 4: Fits I kind of scope much more than something like
Speaker 4: even de Gouser necessarily, I'm I'm just gonna leave it
Speaker 4: at that. Sure, no fair enough, Yeah, but uh, it'll
Speaker 4: be probably I would say, still like ninety five percent
Speaker 4: all film, you know, so that even that shot on
Speaker 4: video might be few and far between. But uh, yeah,
Speaker 4: the you know, shot on film. I mean a lot
Speaker 4: of this is they're beautiful, you know, and like, don't
Speaker 4: be afraid the dark is they're When you see the bathroom,
Speaker 4: it's it's weird to say this, but when especially with
Speaker 4: the new four K transfer of it, it pops so much.
Speaker 4: Uh that bathroom interior almost looks like a thing out
Speaker 4: of Suspiria or our Gento at the same time, Yeah,
Speaker 4: and then you know, the little little guys show up
Speaker 4: and cause mayhem if we want to be let out.
Speaker 1: So that's a good question though, Brandon, how what are
Speaker 1: what are the names of the first ten as kind
Speaker 1: of I kind of scope tetas.
Speaker 2: I'm just kidding.
Speaker 3: I you and I for a second, I was like, no, Chris,
Speaker 3: what are you doing?
Speaker 1: It threw me for a loop, But no, just only joking.
Speaker 1: But that's so cool, you know I remember. Yeah, Don't
Speaker 1: be Afraid of the Dark was such a fun one
Speaker 1: to start with too. I feel like anybody over I
Speaker 1: don't know thirty five is it's just gonna have such
Speaker 1: a strong memory of that playing.
Speaker 4: Yeah. It's It's one of those where people just no way,
Speaker 4: even if they're not necessarily a TV movie fan that
Speaker 4: I've realized they just a horror fan in general. They're like,
Speaker 4: oh my god, I remember that. Like, and I've had
Speaker 4: a couple of people invest with me. They're saying thank
Speaker 4: you for releasing but they're like, oh yeah that, like
Speaker 4: it's so funny, like not Texas Chainsaw, not like the Fridays,
Speaker 4: But No, Don't be Afraid of the Dark fucked me
Speaker 4: up when I was like super young because I think
Speaker 4: and I kind of understand that, like, yeah, the leather
Speaker 4: face with a chainsaw, Okay, that's terrifying, but the but
Speaker 4: little demon demonic guys you might not know are right
Speaker 4: behind you that.
Speaker 3: Yeah in your house, Yeah exactly. Texas Chainsaw right with
Speaker 3: Texas chainsaw. It's like, oh they can, that's like far away. Yeah,
Speaker 3: there's some kind of you know, it's like this is
Speaker 3: closer to like Michael Myer's territory with people when they
Speaker 3: saw the First Halloween, where it's like, oh yeah, there's
Speaker 3: like a doorway probably a basement that got something got
Speaker 3: cemented up and they're just waiting. They're just waiting to
Speaker 3: come out and get me. Yeah, very very very creepy.
Speaker 4: But it's you know, we talked about this on the
Speaker 4: on the box too, but like, yeah, it's it's it's
Speaker 4: kind of your problem because you decided to open the door,
Speaker 4: which the handyman warned you not to. Yeah, we just
Speaker 4: leave the room alone. Just you don't have to do
Speaker 4: anything with it, just you know. And then yeah, it's like.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, just don't do it.
Speaker 3: Don't do it well. And speaking of the Box, you
Speaker 3: guys went back to the VSA like it's like a tape,
Speaker 3: like a cassette being rented because TV movies used to
Speaker 3: you used to be able to rent them on VHS
Speaker 3: if they were popular enough.
Speaker 4: Yeah, now this I should point this out too, because
Speaker 4: we haven't really done a video on this. But uh,
Speaker 4: when people when people get it, they're gonna be like,
Speaker 4: oh wow, because it's it's it's gonna sound weird, but
Speaker 4: this is what it is. It's a slip within a slip,
Speaker 4: and it was I figured out, like we figured out
Speaker 4: how to make it work. And it's the coolest thing
Speaker 4: ever I think too. So uh it really kind of
Speaker 4: adds to that just kind of collectibility with it too.
Speaker 4: But I just wanted to do it like no one
Speaker 4: no one has tried it before either maybe they have,
Speaker 4: but I couldn't get it to work. But this came
Speaker 4: out so amazing and I hope people will be happy
Speaker 4: with it. The artwork that Wes Spnce Goder did is
Speaker 4: just incredible. Like I love his death metal artwork too,
Speaker 4: so about like I love like the Resurrection art word
Speaker 4: and he just got that dead Lee spawned for Synaps
Speaker 4: and know that too. He's just you know, oh and
Speaker 4: Devil feed us for us. You know, once you see him,
Speaker 4: you're like, Okay, I know this guy's paint and he
Speaker 4: and he still hand paints too to do all this,
Speaker 4: So which is amazing.
Speaker 3: Is that is it gonna be like the And I
Speaker 3: guess people will obviously see it when they get it.
Speaker 3: But is it like the male You scene box where
Speaker 3: when you bring it obviously the male You scene when
Speaker 3: it's attached, but like when you bring the case down,
Speaker 3: does the movie actually come out from the side.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so the inner slip, that's how it's I actually
Speaker 4: got the idea. I asked and Stephen Stephen at District
Speaker 4: picks mail you scene. Steven Morowitz has been a big
Speaker 4: help with the iconoscope process as well. He's like, oh, yeah, dude,
Speaker 4: do it because it's it's great and and we didn't
Speaker 4: know if a slip within a slip was gonna work
Speaker 4: necessarily too, but it does and it actually it's pretty
Speaker 4: freaking awesome too. And yeah, it that and the veil
Speaker 4: one came out amazing too when people see that. Lucas
Speaker 4: Peveril he did the artwork for that, and we've been
Speaker 4: working with Sarah Karloff and the Boris Karloff Estate. She
Speaker 4: loved the artwork. She folio approved it. There's a there's
Speaker 4: a little interview I did with Sarah as well on
Speaker 4: there too, and but yeah, it's been it. It came
Speaker 4: out incredible and I'm really proud of the work I
Speaker 4: did and we did, and everyone involved with this who
Speaker 4: put it together, and I guess there is a little
Speaker 4: bit of Cloud nine on it that they're finally out,
Speaker 4: and I'm excited for what people can see in the
Speaker 4: future too. And it's it's cool because it's not just
Speaker 4: gonna be like Warner Brothers stuff too. There's plenty of
Speaker 4: other things that are coming out to There's a bunch
Speaker 4: of long term projects. I can't even get into too much.
Speaker 4: They're long term for a bunch of reasons, but they're
Speaker 4: kind of as long as I kind of scope does well,
Speaker 4: we can keep going on them. But there there's like
Speaker 4: Lost series, there's gonna be some ones like kind of
Speaker 4: Rediscovery up for Rediscovery too, and hopefully some pretty big
Speaker 4: mainstream series as well. I will say TV series versus
Speaker 4: a TV versus a ninety minute TV movie, even a
Speaker 4: three hour mini series versus a full series, I've now learned,
Speaker 4: and I think it goes without saying, is a lot
Speaker 4: more work than you know, just doing the ninety minutes
Speaker 4: or so, or even then.
Speaker 1: I'm sure sorry, I'm sure you have a million questions too,
Speaker 1: But something you said just kind of curious. You know,
Speaker 1: Anchor Bay back in the in the Golden era was
Speaker 1: pretty good about. I still have a ton of Anchor
Speaker 1: Bay shows that were fairly obscure, Like I'm thinking, I
Speaker 1: think it's called Greatest show on Earth that superhero kind
Speaker 1: of obscure.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yep. There's there's a lot of great
Speaker 4: ones too, like.
Speaker 2: Those those type of things.
Speaker 1: Right, So without naming names, like are there is there
Speaker 1: a chance that will get some first time to blue
Speaker 1: or four K stuff that's was previously on like an
Speaker 1: Anchor Bay type or shot early shout, you know, those types.
Speaker 4: Possibly, I also have to relook at stuff. And there's
Speaker 4: kind of big ones too that we were asking about,
Speaker 4: and we'll see. You just never know what what is
Speaker 4: down the pike.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 4: That being said, there's ones internally that we've discovered that
Speaker 4: we're trying to figure out going forward again. But the again,
Speaker 4: they are long term though, like I don't I don't
Speaker 4: want to say, like, yeah, I don't expect it at
Speaker 4: this like twenty twenty six at all, even twenty twenty
Speaker 4: seven is certainly possible. And then but yeah, there's there's
Speaker 4: a lot coming down the pike. And yeah, but the
Speaker 4: TV movies coming up are great, like they're all just
Speaker 4: ones that are just like NonStop basically, and yeah, there's
Speaker 4: going to be I think some interesting surprises for a
Speaker 4: lot of people too, who.
Speaker 3: Like you.
Speaker 4: I don't want people to necessarily know what they are
Speaker 4: going to experience, like I do talk about in the
Speaker 4: video like genre being a big part of it, and
Speaker 4: it will be too, But there might be some kind
Speaker 4: of like different discoveries for you know, never on disc
Speaker 4: before or anything like that either that I hope people
Speaker 4: can take a chance on to So but that's that's great.
Speaker 4: That's like every sub label too, or even partner labels.
Speaker 3: You just you just don't know, you know so totally
Speaker 3: and I think, oh, sorry, go ahead, I don't know.
Speaker 4: But so far the response has been pretty great. I
Speaker 4: think people have been pretty stoked on it, and but
Speaker 4: I want people to once they have it in their hands,
Speaker 4: I think people will be a bit more so on it.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I think two things off that. One is like,
Speaker 3: before I get to my question, what's really exciting about
Speaker 3: that is I don't think people know because one thing
Speaker 3: I think people have fun with whenever vs. Is like
Speaker 3: specifically towards the end of a month, is trying to
Speaker 3: guess the titles right. Yeah, and you guys put some clues,
Speaker 3: you put some artwork out, and I have to say,
Speaker 3: like sometimes people there are some people I'm incredibly impressed
Speaker 3: that they're like detective skills for that stuff. But oh yeah,
Speaker 3: I think one thing that helps narrow it down for
Speaker 3: a lot of people, oftentimes even for myself and I
Speaker 3: have I would say I probably have a fifty to
Speaker 3: fifty guess rate like most people probably do. But like
Speaker 3: I would say, a lot of that would narrow down
Speaker 3: to like if it's MGM or Paramount, you know, people
Speaker 3: could see you know that. And I think having WB
Speaker 3: obviously opens up that guess and that surprise more. But
Speaker 3: I think what really is exciting about that for Iconoscope
Speaker 3: that I think a lot of people don't know is
Speaker 3: that from this era specifically anything prior. I shouldn't even
Speaker 3: say from this era. I should say anything before the nineties,
Speaker 3: even before all these things became like conglomerates, they weren't
Speaker 3: owned by the same companies, so like so like for example,
Speaker 3: there's stuff that like Paramount might have might own, but
Speaker 3: it aired on ABC, and at the time what Paramount
Speaker 3: wasn't CBS. I don't even think it was like Gulf
Speaker 3: and Western Probably I don't even know their history well
Speaker 3: enough to speak on that. But like, I just mean,
Speaker 3: like it's interesting because there's stuff that I think people
Speaker 3: are going to try and guess or like look for.
Speaker 3: And it's exciting because there were so few channels, so
Speaker 3: a lot of it was still studio produced without being
Speaker 3: owned by those by those networks. That's really exciting.
Speaker 4: Yeah. God, I want to be really vague with this,
Speaker 4: but it's it's tough. Like the next one, that's uh,
Speaker 4: i'll call it. We'll call it a Kondo Scope number three.
Speaker 4: I think we'll really throw people for a loop and say, Okay,
Speaker 4: the possibilities are very open. Then well what going on?
Speaker 4: And I gotta I really gotta leave it at that.
Speaker 3: That's that's enough. That's enough my appetites. We please don't Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean I think the discovery is super exciting. My my,
Speaker 3: I guess my question off that talk about like Scope three,
Speaker 3: how many a year are you like trying to put
Speaker 3: out or what's the kind of the goal.
Speaker 4: And try because just everyone is so like so involved
Speaker 4: and like with other things to myself included too. I
Speaker 4: I don't want to rush it either. I don't wanna
Speaker 4: be I have like, you know, I would love for
Speaker 4: it to be okay, once a month, once a month,
Speaker 4: once a month, and that's not gonna be that way.
Speaker 4: At least for now. We are gonna probab take a
Speaker 4: break after this hopefully fit. Maybe we can possibly bring
Speaker 4: it up depending on how you know, it goes with
Speaker 4: icon of scope for the next couple few months. But
Speaker 4: we will see that is probably I would say during
Speaker 4: the summer sometime is the next one. And yeah, that's
Speaker 4: a big break in between. But there's this year especially
Speaker 4: coming out, there's so many great Vinegar Syndrome cinematograph everything
Speaker 4: coming out is just I think it's people kind of
Speaker 4: saw with when we announced the Demon Warp. It's something
Speaker 4: which I that has been a I will say that
Speaker 4: one's been a very requested one since I started at
Speaker 4: Vineiger Syndrome or since Vinegar Syndrome like started. It was like, oh,
Speaker 4: demon warp, you gotta put And you know that's been
Speaker 4: you know, on people's on all of our radars too.
Speaker 4: But it's just one of those which has been you know,
Speaker 4: possible to get until it wasn't impossible.
Speaker 1: To get, you know, I mean, Eli and I hear
Speaker 1: from what a small percentage of subscribers just on the
Speaker 1: discord right, but I know at least two people that
Speaker 1: subscribe because they saw that and they were like, oh shit, okay,
Speaker 1: maybe this will be a pretty great year.
Speaker 4: Yeah, there are some pretty freaking awesome ones. And then
Speaker 4: she's sorry to get ahead of it, but like Lady
Speaker 4: and White, I know that all three cuts on UHD
Speaker 4: brand new restoration of that one too. That and we
Speaker 4: really went like the full half mile. If you could
Speaker 4: get Curtis on just just to talk about putting okay
Speaker 4: cuts together because that one's been his I don't want
Speaker 4: to say craziness, but but it's he just went just crazy,
Speaker 4: just you know, all engines running to get me.
Speaker 2: He's the guy to do it right.
Speaker 4: Yeah, based on new just insane getting it done. But
Speaker 4: it's gonna beautiful.
Speaker 3: That's that's awesome.
Speaker 5: I I I.
Speaker 3: That's one thing that I really love And maybe you
Speaker 3: can actually just to circle it back to this the
Speaker 3: mainline announcements for this month. One thing, one thing I
Speaker 3: really love is that you guys really put in a
Speaker 3: lot of work into the alternate cuts with like truly
Speaker 3: being seamless, like it's very like like and obviously when
Speaker 3: you can't. You'll even put a warning that's like, hey,
Speaker 3: this was sourced from an interpositive in Europe for for
Speaker 3: two minutes, or you know whatever, like like just in
Speaker 3: terms of where you can source things sometimes or even
Speaker 3: like with the Carpenter where there's a kind of like
Speaker 3: the the SD elements that kind of add to that.
Speaker 3: But but I don't know, I think it kind of
Speaker 3: adds to the mood sometimes, Like I love don't get
Speaker 3: me wrong, I love a pristine press presentation. But sometimes
Speaker 3: it's nice to get a grindhouse movie in grindhouse mode.
Speaker 3: You know, it's just because it's also that's just a
Speaker 3: historical thing. I I when we had Joe on I
Speaker 3: remember he talked to you kind of was like a
Speaker 3: little bit would always say like he's always a little
Speaker 3: disappointed when it's not like a better element, And I
Speaker 3: told him, I'm like that. You know, in a lot
Speaker 3: of ways, though, is advocacy of what's in danger of
Speaker 3: correct having this being the most available element. So all
Speaker 3: that being said, I love that when you guys do
Speaker 3: get like a movie that has different versions, that it's
Speaker 3: all these different ones. One of my favorite ones growing
Speaker 3: up that existed that way was Terror Firmer. I was
Speaker 3: a very big trauma phile in high school and when
Speaker 3: I got that two disc Trauma DVD. I don't know
Speaker 3: if you know this, Chris, I don't know if you
Speaker 3: saw this version, but Lloyd Kaufman had did an R
Speaker 3: rated cut of Terror Firmer, and what he did instead
Speaker 3: of actually making an R rated movie, he just inserted
Speaker 3: himself talking about what happens in the scene and kind
Speaker 3: of acting it out. So there's like a scene where
Speaker 3: he comes in and as the blind director and pisses
Speaker 3: all over like Debi, Rashaan and someone else having sex
Speaker 3: in the bathroom. Yeah, and then in the R rated
Speaker 3: version he takes like literal p's from a frozen P
Speaker 3: bag and starts throwing them onto like a drawing of
Speaker 3: them like stick figures. Is that version on the four
Speaker 3: K for Terror Firmer? Do you know or do you
Speaker 3: guys work on that at all?
Speaker 4: That part? I don't know. Those might be in the
Speaker 4: deleted scenes for honestly, yeah.
Speaker 3: But we do.
Speaker 4: We do have the full uncut version and other people
Speaker 4: on the flip side people have been asking about the
Speaker 4: infamous h full frontal shots, which I don't want to
Speaker 4: spoil that too too much. We'll call it the climax
Speaker 4: of the film. Yes, it is the fully uncut version.
Speaker 4: And then now here's where I'm confused.
Speaker 2: We do have the.
Speaker 4: Extend like super extended version as well, that might some
Speaker 4: of that might be in there too. I'm not again
Speaker 4: Terra firmers one that had so many cuts on it too,
Speaker 4: like involved with it. That being said, we do have
Speaker 4: the full uncut version on the UHD, and then we
Speaker 4: do have h Scott. It's yeah, three D set including
Speaker 4: the UHD, so the we do have more than one cut,
Speaker 4: and then all the deleted footage too, so it's it's
Speaker 4: a lot.
Speaker 3: That's great. I didn't realize it was a three disc set.
Speaker 3: That's aws for say, in my head, I thought it
Speaker 3: was two discs, so oh, it for sure has to
Speaker 3: be there. If it's not, like if it's not there
Speaker 3: as oh you know what, Yeah, it says alternate unused
Speaker 3: mock behind the scenes footage. Yeah, that's it.
Speaker 4: They're okay, because there there's this is another like TCM two.
Speaker 4: If people realize, like how many freaking hours of behind
Speaker 4: the scenes footage? Yeah, we have a brand new making
Speaker 4: of on it. It's amazing, and then we still have
Speaker 4: the old uh, what's it called Farts of Darkness for that. Yeah,
Speaker 4: and all the extras from the previous ones are on
Speaker 4: it too. There's just so much and I get it.
Speaker 4: This was like one of his like personal, truly personal
Speaker 4: trauma projects to it, and all the stories are just
Speaker 4: insane and larous. It's like what what you see in
Speaker 4: the film basically was how it was behind the scenes
Speaker 4: as well too.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I'm really excited for that one. I'm also
Speaker 3: exciting you guys brought back Made in Hong Kong that
Speaker 3: was like dormant for years, and you have another one
Speaker 3: teased later in October or August or somewhere, like an
Speaker 3: horror all horror one two.
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's there's a lot of crazy Hong Kong Cat
Speaker 4: three and I know we talk about more Shaw films
Speaker 4: too coming out too. There's a lot of great, amazing
Speaker 4: films coming out. But for this for Made in Hong
Speaker 4: Kong two is the number one film I think is
Speaker 4: really up for rediscovery. Is it's called It's had a
Speaker 4: few different titles. We call it the one that's what
Speaker 4: people know it as here New York Chinatown Massacre and
Speaker 4: I never heard of it before I started. We started
Speaker 4: working on it, and it was just when I saw
Speaker 4: the footage, I'm like, holy shit, this is insane, Like
Speaker 4: it's it's it's one of those where it was made
Speaker 4: in eighty two, I want to say, and or at
Speaker 4: least it might. It's one of those you never know
Speaker 4: when it was seen in the US effort. It could
Speaker 4: have been a couple of years later, and it's had.
Speaker 4: This is another one where it's had more than one cut,
Speaker 4: like we do. We did have to unfortunately use some
Speaker 4: s but like you said, to complete it for the
Speaker 4: full uncut experience, find some SD footage to complete the
Speaker 4: entire version of it. But it is Have you guys
Speaker 4: seen Men from the Gutter?
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh yeah, loved it.
Speaker 4: Yeah that imagine that. But then those like sensibilities where
Speaker 4: it's it's not quite a heroic bloodshed film per se,
Speaker 4: it's not or like the Triad on triad violent ones
Speaker 4: like the people really would know from the nineties and
Speaker 4: you and all of that, but it's kind of those
Speaker 4: sensibilities and it's incredible, like what and they shot it,
Speaker 4: They brought it to New York City, they shot like
Speaker 4: when you could when the whole foreign production. This was
Speaker 4: the same era as like when Falcy and his crew
Speaker 4: came to New York for the New York Ripper, you know,
Speaker 4: and they would shoot in New York. And but this
Speaker 4: is when you see some of the action scenes when
Speaker 4: you see the shootouts and you're like, how the hell
Speaker 4: did they do this? Like and apparently they did have
Speaker 4: like permits and everything, but like it's I know, in
Speaker 4: the pre you could see like it's not just gang
Speaker 4: on gang shootouts. It's like no, they they like steal
Speaker 4: weapons from like a National Guard depot and start shooting
Speaker 4: M sixteen downtown New York City and Chinatown and everything,
Speaker 4: and it's just there's I think like one or two
Speaker 4: crazy car chases too, and it's it's insane, like what
Speaker 4: happens with it? I think part of it they shoot
Speaker 4: They shot at like Riker's Island too. It's so bizarre.
Speaker 3: And that's not even that's not even the hermit yaout
Speaker 3: erected one. That's what's crazy.
Speaker 4: Yeah, No, the Herman Yea one's amazing too. That's the best.
Speaker 4: Is just one of those like oh my god, like
Speaker 4: you could tell like, okay, this is Herman. What's funny
Speaker 4: is he talks about it being for him it was
Speaker 4: a director for hire job and you know he likes it,
Speaker 4: but it's it's not one of his favorites. He didn't
Speaker 4: think he did his best. But you're watching and you're like, dude,
Speaker 4: this is like John wu what are you talking about?
Speaker 3: This is like you know, oh yeah, it's it's the
Speaker 3: same thing with Men from the Gutter, right like he
Speaker 3: I'm sure Lamb doesn't even think that was like a
Speaker 3: Lamb that felt like for Lamb, like a one for them,
Speaker 3: you know, like it's not even and and I'm like, well,
Speaker 3: if this is, if this is Lamb at like like
Speaker 3: an easy mode, of course, that's still gonna fucking rip.
Speaker 3: That's like everybody else is like trying their hardest, you
Speaker 3: know what I mean, Like that that dude's fucking probably
Speaker 3: is having a cigarette break while it was happening at
Speaker 3: the whole movie.
Speaker 4: Men from the Gutters, Like dude watching it, like, dude,
Speaker 4: what are you talking about? You made heat basically and
Speaker 4: yeah in the eighties, like yeah, and but best of
Speaker 4: the best is great because it's, uh, it's just one
Speaker 4: of those again, like it's borderline heroic, bloodshed full on
Speaker 4: and yeah, he yeah, I think people know him from
Speaker 4: like a Ball of Syndrome and then more like horror
Speaker 4: and just Cat three, just crazy, creamy sleaziness. This is
Speaker 4: him doing the hardcore shootout action and he does it
Speaker 4: with the best of them as well. And it's funny
Speaker 4: because we know again we interviewed. I mean, he doesn't
Speaker 4: feel that, but I'm like you did, but okay, whatever
Speaker 4: you think.
Speaker 2: But yeah, it's amazing and.
Speaker 4: It's really quick. A great extra on it is Erica Schultz.
Speaker 2: From The U.
Speaker 4: Yeah, she does an amazing video essay and which I
Speaker 4: never knew this, but when canto pop and filmmaking and
Speaker 4: all of that inter acted, when canto pop stars became
Speaker 4: you know, action stars in their own run, and it's
Speaker 4: it's pretty wild. Just everything in that world too well.
Speaker 2: There's always people on the Vineger Syndrome discord that ask like,
Speaker 2: what about this? What about that?
Speaker 1: And I was telling them, hey, y best of the
Speaker 1: best is enough for that whole set. But it's really
Speaker 1: good news to hear about New York Chinatown massacre. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I yeah, sorry ahead.
Speaker 4: No, no, it's just one I want people to know,
Speaker 4: like we will, we will warrant it. When you pop
Speaker 4: in the disc there is s D footage inserted and
Speaker 4: it's just the It was the only way to complete
Speaker 4: the film too, unfortunately. But uh, and it was one
Speaker 4: where they they want the where we got the film
Speaker 4: elements the original negative they warn't and said, hey, we
Speaker 4: are like ninety nine percent sure that this is unfortunately
Speaker 4: cut and we have no idea where any of the
Speaker 4: film is. And like with really quickly with Devil Fetus,
Speaker 4: we you know, we had amazing luck with that with
Speaker 4: other films too, where we are able to complete the
Speaker 4: whole thing from film and we were working with AGFA,
Speaker 4: working with private collectors to who have this stuff. Everybody
Speaker 4: we talked to was like New York Chinatown massacre or
Speaker 4: New York China and they're like, I never heard of it,
Speaker 4: or be you we have nothing on that at all.
Speaker 4: And but yeah, we you know, we we got to
Speaker 4: get together. Curtis that amazing on it to get it together,
Speaker 4: and I really hope people rediscover it and going into
Speaker 4: the third film really quick Final Justice it is it
Speaker 4: was a misright fix that it's not Stephen Chow version.
Speaker 4: This is a very interesting drama and it's weird because
Speaker 4: like huh drama, a courtroom drama. And I really like
Speaker 4: it because it's you know, got really the main guy
Speaker 4: from oh god, what is it? The uh the cat
Speaker 4: three almost version of Backdraft?
Speaker 3: Oh h no, no, the one you guys put out right, Lifeline.
Speaker 4: Life, Lifeline, Thank you very much. God, you do you
Speaker 4: do so many movies over the years, like two months ago,
Speaker 4: I don't remember totally.
Speaker 3: I believe it. Actually I want to talk about that
Speaker 3: a little later, but I can only imagine. I can't
Speaker 3: see that, like even I like, I'm sure Joe and
Speaker 3: and and Ryan they probably just know what they've put out.
Speaker 3: But even there is one time when I met Joe
Speaker 3: in person and I told him I showed a soft
Speaker 3: cut of Barber broadcast yeah for Pussycat Theater night, And
Speaker 3: he even said, he goes, there's a soft version of that,
Speaker 3: And I'm like, it's on the distrip picks Blu ray
Speaker 3: or right right, yeah, yeah, it's really funny when that uh,
Speaker 3: when that happens. But I also thought about it in
Speaker 3: my head. I'm like, man, the size of that fucking warehouse.
Speaker 3: How could it's impressive that he even remembers what he remembers, right, So,
Speaker 3: like that's totally yeah, no, no worries. But sorry you
Speaker 3: were saying, so, yeah, the guy from Lifeline.
Speaker 4: Is in Yeah, he plays the priest, the head priest
Speaker 4: in it. And it's again it's one of those, you know,
Speaker 4: interesting dramas that I don't think people expect to go
Speaker 4: into borderline. Cat three territory as well, and it we
Speaker 4: were like, we got to include this because this is
Speaker 4: very different. No, no one else is gonna like see
Speaker 4: this any any other way, so like we gotta we
Speaker 4: gotta have this and hopefully people rediscover it and really
Speaker 4: like it too.
Speaker 2: Cat three twelve Angry Men.
Speaker 4: Well, not quite like that, but this one has to
Speaker 4: do with like, you know, it's borderline, but it's like
Speaker 4: there's like, you know, a rape, you know, it goes.
Speaker 3: Into rape that goes into Cat three Oh my god.
Speaker 4: But it goes into like all these weird things you
Speaker 4: don't expect it to. Of course, Triad may be involved,
Speaker 4: and you know, you just don't know where it's gonna go.
Speaker 4: So but yeah, so it's a really great that I
Speaker 4: hope people really get into it.
Speaker 1: Well, I just want to call it before we move
Speaker 1: on between this one, this video essay and the video
Speaker 1: essay on Chinese twitchers. Yeah, chamber torture, chamber story. I
Speaker 1: wanted to Erica Schultz has some of the best work. Like,
Speaker 1: I'm just so impressed with her. Between the fact that
Speaker 1: you all got Sam Deagan on staff and then Erica
Speaker 1: doing features, I just and then Amanda Oh, yeah, are
Speaker 1: just some of the best people working today.
Speaker 2: It's amazing.
Speaker 4: Yeah and not oh.
Speaker 3: I just want to say not to jump too much
Speaker 3: over it, but with with Iconoscope, I was actually curious
Speaker 3: because I fully expected as soon as I heard of Iconoscope,
Speaker 3: I'm like Amanda Reas for sure, like I know she'll
Speaker 3: be there and say for a commentary, but how did
Speaker 3: you get like what was the meat to get the
Speaker 3: group commentary for like Jeffrey Reddick because the writer and
Speaker 3: Sean Abley, Like how.
Speaker 4: Does stuff say that that's like archival, That's okay. They
Speaker 4: did that for the Warner Archive disc and same for
Speaker 4: the commentary now out. Unfortunately, the way it unfortunately worked,
Speaker 4: weren't able to really get as many new extra really
Speaker 4: any new extras that I want to get on it.
Speaker 4: Going back again, this is part of it. Like I'm
Speaker 4: really happy to have you know, a bunch of other
Speaker 4: people involved doing the extras going forward to maybe we
Speaker 4: can revisit it going forward. We were able to actually
Speaker 4: shoot at the New Hall mansion a little locations featurette
Speaker 4: then and now. They were really great shooting at the house,
Speaker 4: and we did get a new booklet essay from Amanda
Speaker 4: ray As as well. And to get really into the
Speaker 4: director's career, John Newland, who for Don't Be Afraid of
Speaker 4: the Dark cause aside from that, he had an amazing
Speaker 4: career doing kind of you know, one Step Beyond. People
Speaker 4: would know him from kind of that Twilight Zone almost
Speaker 4: precursor type deal, but he also was involved with Star Trek.
Speaker 4: He was involved with a ton of other projects and
Speaker 4: not only that, but seeing all of that get together
Speaker 4: was really great. Now. Unfortunately, one thing I have discovered
Speaker 4: too made for TV films on aside from like you know,
Speaker 4: more power to them, like something like Salem's Lot and
Speaker 4: something like that, it's really hard to get people all too,
Speaker 4: you know, and yeah it can't it can be. It
Speaker 4: can be, is what we're discovering.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 4: The lead We we tried, every everybody tried, you know,
Speaker 4: going through all the channels, direct contact too. For unfortunately,
Speaker 4: the Ken Darby and it wasn't even a yes or no,
Speaker 4: it was just she was not returning. She actually I
Speaker 4: don't know what happened. She called me back, but then
Speaker 4: I picked up and then she hung up on it,
Speaker 4: and then I don't know what, and then nothing and
Speaker 4: you know, hey, if you don't don't want to be involved,
Speaker 4: totally fine, you know. And it's just one of those things, unfortunately,
Speaker 4: and like, but what the commentaries do have in the
Speaker 4: book essay are just such great info, especially with this production,
Speaker 4: and it's really good with this in particular. I'm just
Speaker 4: so proud of the restoration and the scan on this
Speaker 4: and all the work that went involved, like and I'm
Speaker 4: hoping people get into it, and going forward to you know,
Speaker 4: there will be a lot more extras, you know, involved,
Speaker 4: I think with every release going forward to so you know,
Speaker 4: I can only say I, you know, I and we
Speaker 4: did our best for getting this together. That being said,
Speaker 4: the Veil was more much more loaded experience, and we
Speaker 4: can get into that afterward as well.
Speaker 3: Actually, let's just jump right into that one right now,
Speaker 3: I think, because it's it's another one from from this month.
Speaker 3: We only have one other one from the main line.
Speaker 3: We can we can circle back to that, But like
Speaker 3: as far as as far as the Veil goes, this
Speaker 3: is I think the one that's it. What a great
Speaker 3: one two punch because you have a you have a
Speaker 3: great creepy little horror movie right with the four K,
Speaker 3: and now you're getting this awesome series that And I'll
Speaker 3: admit I wasn't familiar with it at all, and I
Speaker 3: have I have a pretty good like from from growing
Speaker 3: up on a lot of TV movies and stuff. And
Speaker 3: my my my roommate is really because he's he's he's
Speaker 3: a little bit older than me, has like a real
Speaker 3: good booklet of knowledge with this stuff. So when I
Speaker 3: even told him about it, he knew about the Veil,
Speaker 3: but he really he knew, uh, don't be afraid of
Speaker 3: the dark, like, and he was like, oh, that's awesome
Speaker 3: that they're giving a four K. So with with the Veil,
Speaker 3: how familiar with you were you with this yourself? And
Speaker 3: I mean, I know it's accessible to some capacity like people, Yeah,
Speaker 3: you can find find some of it, but obviously you're
Speaker 3: you're doing some real You're you're bringing some stuff there
Speaker 3: that even people who know the show probably haven't seen.
Speaker 4: So the veil. It's one of those crazy things, and
Speaker 4: a big shout out to film historian and author and publisher.
Speaker 4: It's kind of has been doing this for years, Tom Weaver,
Speaker 4: because he really wrote the book literally on the veil.
Speaker 4: I think it scripts from the Crypt number seven it's called.
Speaker 4: And I knew about the veil even before this. I
Speaker 4: remember in my video store on a say they had
Speaker 4: at one like my local one. They definitely had one
Speaker 4: or two of the Something Weird nineties tapes and or
Speaker 4: two thousands tapes I believe. I can't remember exactly it was.
Speaker 4: Actually it might have been Rhino Video if I'm not
Speaker 4: mistaken who actually put it out.
Speaker 3: On probably that totally has Yeah, yeah, I'm not mistaken.
Speaker 4: I don't want to be mistaken on that. Yeah, it
Speaker 4: because it had such a crazy release and we get
Speaker 4: into it with the extra specifically for that, and but
Speaker 4: Tom we were he said it best. You know, this
Speaker 4: is one of those things where they shot the entire
Speaker 4: series nineteen fifty eight to fifty nine, I believe, and
Speaker 4: it never aired. It was just one of those things
Speaker 4: that just never aired and then it was kind of
Speaker 4: basically lost essentially for until late seventies. I believe. But
Speaker 4: before that, in the sixties, someone got a hold of
Speaker 4: the footage and they basically, like for lack of a
Speaker 4: vetteran forced edited them into like almost fake but enough
Speaker 4: to show in theaters anthology horror films like where they
Speaker 4: edited the episodes and then they didn't shoot anything new either.
Speaker 4: They just worked the edits to say, Okay, here's a
Speaker 4: here's a new anthology horror film. You know, at the
Speaker 4: time of like Amakiss and stuff like that, when like
Speaker 4: people who would be like, wait, this has Boris Karlov
Speaker 4: in it, I don't think this is new, like said,
Speaker 4: but it did get on local television. Finally in the
Speaker 4: late seventies, I want to say, into the eighties, that's
Speaker 4: when people really started to see it, and it had
Speaker 4: a even on DVD and everything. Various DVD labels have
Speaker 4: put it out over there because it's technically public domain,
Speaker 4: so you know, and but you know, no one has
Speaker 4: except for something weird, no one has worked with a
Speaker 4: direct film before and it's something weird with their movie
Speaker 4: lab which is now with us with District Picks, you know,
Speaker 4: in house. And Lisa has been an amazing help with
Speaker 4: this as well. For her knowledge but also because Mike Rainey,
Speaker 4: you know, really got it together. And one of Tom
Speaker 4: Weaver's commentaries he actually has an actor like recreate when
Speaker 4: he interviewed Mike Vraaney way back when and talking about
Speaker 4: how Mike Rainy found the Veil and getting into the
Speaker 4: series with that. And it's pretty crazy because even I'm
Speaker 4: sure people who like you know, private collectors and everything
Speaker 4: who really go looking for film and everything too, it's
Speaker 4: almost impossible to hear about discovering a whole almost a
Speaker 4: whole series, yeah in one spot, you know, that's just
Speaker 4: unheard of. But yeah, we have the complete series of that,
Speaker 4: and we also have now some release. Some of the
Speaker 4: DVDs had it way back when, even before Something Weird
Speaker 4: always from Beat to Hell tapes transfers and everything, but
Speaker 4: it was really only one or two out of all
Speaker 4: the crazy public domain duties had it. Otherwise, every DVD
Speaker 4: you know, Something Weird included, he would get ten episodes,
Speaker 4: well there were technically eleven, technically twelve episodes produced. It's
Speaker 4: so weird. One of the episodes, Jack the Ripper, they
Speaker 4: shot an intro and outro with Boris Karloff, but he's
Speaker 4: not actually it's the one where he's not actually in
Speaker 4: it either. They definitely took footage from another from a
Speaker 4: British show or movie and re edit it into a
Speaker 4: veil episode. And then there was an actual veil episode
Speaker 4: called Peggy also known as Whatever Happened to Peggy, which
Speaker 4: sometimes was found and put on, sometimes was not, and
Speaker 4: we were able to get filmed for that as well
Speaker 4: finally and actually put that on. I think the only
Speaker 4: SD thing on the entire disc that we had to
Speaker 4: use was the intro and outro, just the credits, the
Speaker 4: opening and credits for that episode Peggy. Otherwise everything is
Speaker 4: from film. Another big shout out to UCLA. They have
Speaker 4: the backdoor pilot the Vestress, which oh yeah, so they
Speaker 4: had a great print of that, and it's the original.
Speaker 4: It's called The Telephone Time. It was for Telephone Time
Speaker 4: Playhouse or something like that and still produced by hal
Speaker 4: Roach Studios. That's kind of why it's considered a backdoor pilot.
Speaker 4: Like Boris Karloff is in it, but he doesn't do
Speaker 4: the intro outro. We keep the old Telephone Time ads
Speaker 4: in and it's weird because they're not quite commercials. They're
Speaker 4: more like weird PSAs about why you and your family
Speaker 4: should use telephones. It's bizarre for the fifties even. But
Speaker 4: what we also found, which shout out to a private collector,
Speaker 4: Pays Brunner, who found this like years ago too. He
Speaker 4: found the Vestress was re edited to become a Veil
Speaker 4: episode with a Boris Karloff intro and outro, and that
Speaker 4: really hasn't been seen, I don't think since they was
Speaker 4: supposed to air wo and that is included. The other big,
Speaker 4: big thing that's included is this was a lost to
Speaker 4: just every everywhere episode of it's called the Schlitz Playhouse
Speaker 4: for the Stars. Amanda Areas is actually the commentary on
Speaker 4: this because it's it's fascinating like the Beer Company. Yeah,
Speaker 4: they had a television series way because back then in
Speaker 4: the fifties before like Top Twilight Zone, before Utter Limits,
Speaker 4: before Chiller, like for all these shows. And yes there
Speaker 4: were scripted like half hour shows, you know, stuff like that,
Speaker 4: but otherwise there it was all anthologies. And because it
Speaker 4: was the easiest thing to show was you take a play,
Speaker 4: you shoot in one or two locations tops and you
Speaker 4: get it done in like under a week. And one
Speaker 4: of these yeah, uh, you never knew who would sponsor
Speaker 4: it either, Like, but yeah, Schlitz Schlitz Beer had a
Speaker 4: uh had a series that ran. It ran a long,
Speaker 4: it ran a while too, like over well over one
Speaker 4: hundred something episodes. Wow, A lot of these series, A
Speaker 4: lot of them. A lot of the episodes are lost
Speaker 4: in general. But one of them we found, you know
Speaker 4: it was it was actually an eBay listing. I think
Speaker 4: we got that. We're like, oh crap, let's let's go
Speaker 4: after it too, and did an all new four K
Speaker 4: scan of it and I think it's the best ever.
Speaker 4: Gonna look, who knows where the negative is at this point.
Speaker 4: It's from a print, but it's called House of Death,
Speaker 4: and it's a horror we'll call it horror adjacent. Uh,
Speaker 4: it's more of a kind of a thriller mystery. So
Speaker 4: it's got Boris Karloff in the lead. It's another one
Speaker 4: he just did, and he's great in it. The other
Speaker 4: people involved are just amazing, and Amanda Rayes really gets
Speaker 4: into the nuts and bolts of who's involved. But what's
Speaker 4: the craziest thing which is connected to our world here
Speaker 4: is it's one of the fur very first things A
Speaker 4: guy named William Asher directed and for those who are
Speaker 4: like where do I know that name? Well, many years later,
Speaker 4: like god, almost thirty years later. He one of the
Speaker 4: few films he directed, because he directed primarily television, was
Speaker 4: of all things, Butcher Baker Nightmare Makers, right, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: and so that's a crazy connection. Yeah. One of his
Speaker 4: very first things he ever directed was with Boris Karloff
Speaker 4: in the nineteen fifties, and that's kind of where and
Speaker 4: that was a very lost thing. A lot of people
Speaker 4: like they knew the title, like the title that's shown
Speaker 4: up in places, but no one ever saw it before.
Speaker 4: And I think people will be really excited to see it.
Speaker 4: And again going into just finishing off the extras for
Speaker 4: that Sarah Karloff new interview with her about everything mostly
Speaker 4: again like Carloff's just television career in the fifties and
Speaker 4: when that got involved to excuse me. And the other
Speaker 4: great interview we did was with the creator Frank Beats,
Speaker 4: his daughter Barbara.
Speaker 2: She co wrote the.
Speaker 4: Book with Tom Weaver, and she just has amazing stories
Speaker 4: about his life and career and stories about making the
Speaker 4: veil too, and amazing. It's just great to see and
Speaker 4: and you know it's been scanning and restored that this
Speaker 4: is one we were able to physically do in house too,
Speaker 4: and it just came out amazing, the whole package. I'm
Speaker 4: really really proud of that too. And yeah, hopefully people
Speaker 4: rediscover it. And I know nowadays it can be tougher too,
Speaker 4: but I hope people take a chance on black and
Speaker 4: white and television for that matter.
Speaker 1: Well, so I was gonna ask, is is this you know,
Speaker 1: between VSL, and maybe that's a good segue into talking
Speaker 1: about the VSL for the month as well, But between
Speaker 1: VSL and the kind of scope you now kind of
Speaker 1: have a natural excuse to go into the fifties and
Speaker 1: forties if you can, right, yeah exactly, I would say,
Speaker 1: so yeah, so yeah, and you do meet people who
Speaker 1: just do not like black and white at all, you know,
Speaker 1: that's the same.
Speaker 3: But that's like what people who don't like subtitles. That's there.
Speaker 3: But it sucks, It really sucks. But it is a
Speaker 3: shame because especially with the advancements of technology. Let me
Speaker 3: tell you, man, I mean, I know not everybody can
Speaker 3: afford it, but I got really lucky myself. I was
Speaker 3: able to get an OLED really cheap. And let me
Speaker 3: tell you, watching Black and White on an OLED is
Speaker 3: game changing. I like, I can't wait when it doesn't
Speaker 3: even have to be a four KKE, just be a
Speaker 3: blu ray but anything. The inkiness of it, like kind
Speaker 3: of it's really I think is the closest you can
Speaker 3: get to seeing it in a theater again or you know,
Speaker 3: in any capacity of it. It just looks so good
Speaker 3: because people talk about usually I think with HDR and
Speaker 3: with in general, with four K and OLED, people talk
Speaker 3: about how the colors pop, but also the way the
Speaker 3: the black. Yeah, the contrast is just incredible. I can't
Speaker 3: stress enough that, Like it's even but you know what
Speaker 3: that being said, even on like a regular LED, they
Speaker 3: still look as good as they're ever gonna look. So
Speaker 3: it is strange because with all this talk about like
Speaker 3: Golden age for physical media, I think like people can
Speaker 3: really take that for granted. I think people also take
Speaker 3: for granted just to bring it back to Hong Kong
Speaker 3: for a second, Like I don't think people realize the
Speaker 3: reason there's such a prolific drop in this like like
Speaker 3: not just from VS, but from Shout from Arrow from
Speaker 3: eighty eight. Everybody, Yeah, yeah, everybody's getting in on it
Speaker 3: because for twenty fucking years. It was impossible to see.
Speaker 3: I grew up on that stuff on VCDs and and
Speaker 3: like and like bootleg DVDs and vhs is with them
Speaker 3: that are poorly subtitled, poorly frame, poorly transferred, and some
Speaker 3: of the some of them don't even you know, like
Speaker 3: that Severn Bruce Playtation Box. That's a great example. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it's one of the one of my favorite releases of
Speaker 3: twenty twenty four. But also, like you know, they had
Speaker 3: to source some of those just from prints from private
Speaker 3: collectors because that's all that's left. And that's a great
Speaker 3: example of showing like like for the ones that they
Speaker 3: have that they were able to properly restore it alongside
Speaker 3: it that like there's stuff that you just can't Unfortunately,
Speaker 3: that's the best version you can get. So if that's
Speaker 3: the case for some of these, why wouldn't you be
Speaker 3: excited for the other hundreds that are actually being properly resubtitled,
Speaker 3: properly restored. Because nubev has a Hong Kong night, they
Speaker 3: do some pretty rare stuff here in LA at least
Speaker 3: to at least once a month, and you know, they're
Speaker 3: obviously released prints most of the time they're very rarely
Speaker 3: newly struck like preserved prints, and even those the subtitles
Speaker 3: sometimes there is like burnt in Filipino subtitles with the
Speaker 3: English subtitles or you know, yeah, I saw some move
Speaker 3: They showed some Moonlee movie where it was like literally
Speaker 3: like three sets of subtitles. But like, you know, you
Speaker 3: can tell that that that the movie you weren't watching
Speaker 3: the version that was intended, not just in terms of
Speaker 3: the what's being spoken and translated, but even like a
Speaker 3: shootout scene or like a plot point, you can tell
Speaker 3: there's something missing. So the fact that all this stuff's
Speaker 3: coming in uncut, all at once, I don't know, it's
Speaker 3: it's it's so exciting to me to be able to
Speaker 3: get all that now, you know, because there's only so
Speaker 3: much I think people can take it for granted, because
Speaker 3: there's only so much regional exploitation. I think at some
Speaker 3: point people are gonna be like, well, what's with all
Speaker 3: the regional exploitation, what's with all the you know what
Speaker 3: I mean, Like, I think no one's ever gonna be
Speaker 3: happy with that. So yeah, so I think it's great
Speaker 3: that also are basically going on this long tangent just
Speaker 3: to say that, like it's great that there's not just
Speaker 3: Hong Kong but also like made for TV movies, Like
Speaker 3: there's so many different facets. And that also goes to
Speaker 3: the melusine side where it's not just like a peak
Speaker 3: a peak rama and a quality X release. There's also
Speaker 3: like district picks, there's the new pink line that you
Speaker 3: guys a fucking milling It Brothers Mitchell Brothers.
Speaker 4: Yeah, amazing films.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and and Chris and I are going to get
Speaker 3: into this when we do like the review episode of Celeste.
Speaker 3: But but the that behind the green Door release is
Speaker 3: essential and is like a great example of what VS
Speaker 3: does with with Like the special features are incredible, the
Speaker 3: transfer is fantastic, and like contextualizing it is fantastic. And
Speaker 3: so that's what I like about Like even with that Iconoscope,
Speaker 3: you're doing the same thing obviously, like involving the karlaf
Speaker 3: estate and not just licensing it from them, you know
Speaker 3: and getting the thumbs up from them.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and like we didn't you didn't technically have to
Speaker 4: at all, you know, you know, it's one of those
Speaker 4: it's old enough, it's almost you know, public domain, but
Speaker 4: like we're like, no, we got it. We got to
Speaker 4: include them, We got to talk to him about this,
Speaker 4: you know, and like just anyone who was involved getting
Speaker 4: the word out about the veil over the years, and
Speaker 4: like real quick, like Something Weird had a great booklet
Speaker 4: originally with the DVD, and that original essay has Tom
Speaker 4: Weaver and like, hey, do you want to revise and
Speaker 4: expand upon it and everything? He's like, oh, yeah, definitely,
Speaker 4: and he took that, he revised it, expanded upon it
Speaker 4: big time and booklet came out amazing too, because there
Speaker 4: was a lot of people involved with this one in particular.
Speaker 4: And but yeah, I'm hoping people rediscover kind of all
Speaker 4: of this, and you know, whether it's just film, whether
Speaker 4: it's you know, weird television movies and series or adult
Speaker 4: films and yeah, films from Hong Kong. I hope people
Speaker 4: take a chance on any of this from any label too, you.
Speaker 3: Know, yeah, totally. Before we get back to VSL and
Speaker 3: and the other subscriber, one thing I wanted to ask
Speaker 3: earlier when you brought up Something Weird, I just want
Speaker 3: to clarify because I remember reading the release that there
Speaker 3: was like a team up with distrip Picks and something
Speaker 3: Weird video, but it is actually like something Weird Video
Speaker 3: is now part of the VS family completely, right, like
Speaker 3: it's all or or is Something Weird still their own
Speaker 3: thing that just brought some titles into you guys.
Speaker 4: No there, it's kind of both. Okay that makes sense. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: Like you know, lisas Something Weird video they do, they
Speaker 4: do their own thing as well, but a lot of
Speaker 4: the movie lab Something Weird collection ended up with Distripicks,
Speaker 4: which it's been brought into Vinegar Syndrome Film Archives, so
Speaker 4: that's kind of the whole connection. And actually yeah, stuff
Speaker 4: like behind the Green Door stuff like the nest thing,
Speaker 4: they all go into that as well too. So but
Speaker 4: but yeah they Yeah, it's kind of all one big
Speaker 4: crazy family. I guess you kind of yeah, so, but yeah,
Speaker 4: Lisa has been amazing with the word out yeah about
Speaker 4: this too, and we'll not getting the word out until
Speaker 4: we're officially announced. Uh but yeah, it's it's very exciting.
Speaker 4: It's really exciting to be involved with that. And and
Speaker 4: real quick, one thing I do love is the uh
Speaker 4: distre Picks Something Weird collaborations with the uh like s
Speaker 4: Exploitation ones as well, and those have been just incredible
Speaker 4: because I I knew kind of about them from the
Speaker 4: Something Weird Duty, but I the DVD's and such. But
Speaker 4: I and like David Friedman, you know, I knew about
Speaker 4: like the that S Exploitation documentary, but I never sat
Speaker 4: down to like really watch any of them until now
Speaker 4: basically and yeah them and restore them and they're just incredible.
Speaker 2: It was.
Speaker 4: It was a whole weird era of there because they're
Speaker 4: not fully all either the exploitation their softcore, but like
Speaker 4: they had a lot of fun, but they also took
Speaker 4: chances with shooting them and got really psychedelic, and a
Speaker 4: lot of them and or had just great sleazy but
Speaker 4: beautiful black and white, especially the New York early really
Speaker 4: early ones.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like like Career Bed.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's just it's just crazy with all of that too.
Speaker 4: And then especially like the Fat Buck Pussycat and Yeah,
Speaker 4: oh I.
Speaker 3: Love that double Yeah, yeah, the Confessions of a PSYCHOA.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they're just insane.
Speaker 3: So you know, the one you guys just put out
Speaker 3: a great just a great testament of that is the
Speaker 3: David Friedman double of Yeah, the Adult, the Adult Jacqueline
Speaker 3: Hyde and the.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Because that booklet you guys included incredible it really and
Speaker 3: and my take on both of those movies, I had
Speaker 3: that exact same thought that you had just said, where
Speaker 3: I'm like, oh, this is just a hardcore movie that
Speaker 3: just doesn't that just opted out of penetration, even though
Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure a few scenes were unsimulated, and then
Speaker 3: the booklet kind of sort of confirms that, and you're like, damn,
Speaker 3: I wonder how this would have played if this was
Speaker 3: a porno. Because these were made right at the same
Speaker 3: time as Behind the Green Door, it was actually like
Speaker 3: really fitting to release them all kind of in the
Speaker 3: same month, Like it really kind of it's like it's
Speaker 3: really representative of an era which I love, and I
Speaker 3: think that that's really exciting that, Like every time I
Speaker 3: see a District Picks double announced, I'm really excited for
Speaker 3: it for that reason. I mean, that's that's really much,
Speaker 3: very much in my wheelhouse because it's great, great stuff. Yeah, sorry, Chris,
Speaker 3: I think you were about to say something.
Speaker 2: No, it's okay.
Speaker 1: I was just gonna say, before we move too much
Speaker 1: on from Hong Kong, y'all have an angel in your
Speaker 1: at least not maybe not staff, but at least in
Speaker 1: your circle named Pearl, Right, from Kanye Y, from.
Speaker 4: Connie too, and she is incredible just getting this all
Speaker 4: together and just has been We're like a guardian angel
Speaker 4: to our shepherd even to get all these through in
Speaker 4: the end so well.
Speaker 1: Because that's there's so much in Hong Kong movies. And
Speaker 1: I learned this from Mike and Arna, but I think
Speaker 1: there's a good example of this too. There's so much
Speaker 1: context that's lost if you weren't around at the time
Speaker 1: these movies were being made. Because even even if it's
Speaker 1: a period piece like a Wisha period piece, they might
Speaker 1: still slip in slang or some kind of reference if
Speaker 1: especially if it's a comedy or something. And I think
Speaker 1: having somebody like Frank Jang or Pearl that knows that
Speaker 1: has that historical context, it makes it into the subtitles
Speaker 1: and then it becomes it comes more alive.
Speaker 4: Right. Yeah. And Pearl actually she did a great featurette
Speaker 4: with going Back Real Quick to Ebola Syndrome. It's a
Speaker 4: great feature atte with Herman Yao, and they talk about
Speaker 4: like sometimes translating Cantonese and even a manderin it could
Speaker 4: be tough because there are multiple meanings to different words
Speaker 4: and some of it is slang, and even the slang
Speaker 4: can have multiple versions, and well which one's right? Well
Speaker 4: they're both right and or they're both wrong.
Speaker 2: It's like I always always attributed to reading Miguel a Servant.
Speaker 4: What's the.
Speaker 2: What's the Miguel Servant is don Quixote? Don Quixote?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've always heard this is from one of my
Speaker 1: earliest memories of like English class unless you speak ancient Spanish,
Speaker 1: the miss like half the jokes.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's still a.
Speaker 1: Really funny book, but it's just like if you at
Speaker 1: the time, it's the funniest thing you've ever seen.
Speaker 4: Yeah, apparently, Yeah that's anyway.
Speaker 1: Well, so what about like before we get into cinematograph,
Speaker 1: what about VSL because we tapped on that earlier, So
Speaker 1: what tell us a little bit about the VSL title?
Speaker 4: Real quick? One more? Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, is uh,
Speaker 4: because I don't want it to get lost, because it's
Speaker 4: it's been lost a lot since it's been its releases.
Speaker 4: But Dario Gento's Phantom of the Opera I want to
Speaker 4: talk about too, and that is one where I think
Speaker 4: it's gotten kind of a bad rep you know, some
Speaker 4: people say that too, and I agree, But I love
Speaker 4: it well, I was gonna say, I don't agree. I
Speaker 4: think it's amazing, you know, and it's a beautiful, it's
Speaker 4: gory as hell. Yeah, and you know, resting power to
Speaker 4: seeing great uh you know, uh, Julian Warner again too,
Speaker 4: and they're Julian Sands sorry Jesus David Warren, but seeing
Speaker 4: Julian stands again and any capacity in any film is
Speaker 4: great and fantastic, and you know, all of his work
Speaker 4: can be really appreciated, and this is one where he
Speaker 4: did such a great job in this and it is amazing,
Speaker 4: and I hope people do really rediscover this one because
Speaker 4: it again, it's gotten a bad rep I think unnecessary.
Speaker 4: A lot of our Gento's you know, we'll call him,
Speaker 4: you know, nineties on where basically after Stendhall Syndrome have
Speaker 4: gotten really bad reps, and I don't think they're deserved
Speaker 4: at all. I think a lot of them are fantastic
Speaker 4: films and I hope people see that too. And this
Speaker 4: is another loaded, amazing package with just every interview you want,
Speaker 4: you know, I.
Speaker 3: Just want to. I want to. I want to be
Speaker 3: a testament to that for a second, because I'm always
Speaker 3: happy to eat my words when I have to. And
Speaker 3: I remember when Stenhall was announced, I was like, all right, fine,
Speaker 3: you know I didn't. I wasn't. I wasn't upset, but
Speaker 3: it was I. I shrugged pretty basically, I was like, okay, cool,
Speaker 3: but you know what, I hadn't seen it in twenty
Speaker 3: plus years.
Speaker 5: I was And and.
Speaker 3: I think what people run into a lot of the
Speaker 3: problems with the later Argento stuff is is Brett Brevity
Speaker 3: isn't there? You know, these these movies tlalking at two hours,
Speaker 3: and depending on how you feel about the movie, you
Speaker 3: can you can kind of feel it. But when I
Speaker 3: rewatched Stenhall this weekend, I was like, oh, I was wrong.
Speaker 3: This is good. This is this is a good movie.
Speaker 3: This really deals with uh, stuff that I think people
Speaker 3: would say is too on the now, you know, like,
Speaker 3: and it's in how it deals with trauma. Even though
Speaker 3: you made another movie called trauma. This actually I think
Speaker 3: it should really be the one called trauma.
Speaker 4: Yeah, definitely, I agree.
Speaker 3: But yeah, and that really speaks to that, and which
Speaker 3: made me more open to Phantom getting announced. When I
Speaker 3: saw that announcement, I was like, and I've been waiting
Speaker 3: on Terror Firmer because I've been dying to revisit it,
Speaker 3: and like, so these two back to back. I was like,
Speaker 3: oh great, and I'm glad you circled back to it
Speaker 3: because you know, it's cool that these get region A
Speaker 3: like four k's you know, you guys get to restore
Speaker 3: them from the negatives. They look great and they they
Speaker 3: what what's really fun about them? And to each their
Speaker 3: own on how they pursue this part. But you know
Speaker 3: the effects are so unbelievably nineties. Yeah, and you really
Speaker 3: the the I think this is the one place where
Speaker 3: four K makes it something very interesting in a make
Speaker 3: or break because it really reveals kind of a certain look.
Speaker 3: And like I said, when you guys did Virtuosity, that's
Speaker 3: one of my favorite nineties I love that movie very
Speaker 3: very dearly.
Speaker 4: And I forgot I forgot completely about UFC in like
Speaker 4: nineties early UFC totally that film at all, you know,
Speaker 4: so that was insane to see.
Speaker 3: So that's awesome. I was like so excited about that,
Speaker 3: and like, yeah, I love that that UFC sequence, but
Speaker 3: like also just you get to see the effects and
Speaker 3: how they look in four K. It's really funny because
Speaker 3: who knows how those were rendered back then and what
Speaker 3: what resolutions.
Speaker 4: So to be at that upscale and like, I'll you know,
Speaker 4: even more power to them when like something like Star
Speaker 4: Trek and the series and the movies where they re
Speaker 4: rendered the effects and like them from the beginning. A
Speaker 4: lot of these they're like, nope, like this negative and
Speaker 4: this film is like all that the best that exists
Speaker 4: for these particular effects. You know, you'd have to basically
Speaker 4: make them.
Speaker 2: That's like that's how it should be.
Speaker 1: I mean, I know we're on the same page here,
Speaker 1: so it's ye, like but like you don't need to
Speaker 1: go redoce Star you don't need to redo a these movies.
Speaker 1: Like people can they can wrap their minds around the
Speaker 1: fact that this is a fifties sixty seventies like you know,
Speaker 1: like people get it.
Speaker 2: You just just show it how it was shown at
Speaker 2: the time.
Speaker 3: That's actually a great bridge. We almost forgot about this.
Speaker 3: Speaking of things that like really pop like in four
Speaker 3: K with these like really like kind of sort of
Speaker 3: analog digital hybrids of the nineties. Tank Girl gotta be.
Speaker 4: Ss yeah, the big one. Yeah, saying that for last time.
Speaker 3: Oh okay, yeah, yeah, let's let's.
Speaker 4: Jump anto it now because Tank Girl is just amazing
Speaker 4: one of those, and it looked great before this, but man,
Speaker 4: the four K talk about popping. It's just incredible. It
Speaker 4: was shot for like the ultimate you know, eye popping
Speaker 4: color as much as you can in the apocalypse, I
Speaker 4: guess the post apocalyptic world. I guess you'd say, uh,
Speaker 4: and especially with like the animated sequences.
Speaker 3: That's what I thought of the first thing you talking
Speaker 3: about that it.
Speaker 4: Was crazy Again. I'll other loaded disc with all new extras.
Speaker 4: We have a kind of a great featurette that Claudia
Speaker 4: Proble and produced to She did a lot of the
Speaker 4: production on this one, especially, but where the director and
Speaker 4: I believe that one of the original comic book artists,
Speaker 4: if I'm not mistaken. They it's a teaching class on
Speaker 4: drawing tank Girl nowadays too, and it's it's pretty it's
Speaker 4: pretty interesting and h So, yeah, that's a cool feature atte.
Speaker 4: But yeah, new Lori Petty interview and it's just revisiting
Speaker 4: it now. It's still top tier film.
Speaker 2: You know, that was when when I was growing up.
Speaker 1: I think we're all roughly around the same age, but
Speaker 1: when I was growing up, tank Girl had a specific
Speaker 1: place as this sort of like feminine power movie that
Speaker 1: wasn't cheesy.
Speaker 4: Yeah, like it was just fun and like, you know,
Speaker 4: it was great.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it was a really kind of a cultural movement.
Speaker 1: It was one that you you would sort of you
Speaker 1: can almost tell if you're going to like somebody or
Speaker 1: not based on how they how interested they weren't seeing it,
Speaker 1: whether or not they like it.
Speaker 2: That's when thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, people that were just like, I'm never going to
Speaker 1: see it, that's dumb, and you're kind of like, oh, okay,
Speaker 1: I'm not going to be friends with you, Like that's okay.
Speaker 2: But this is like a very defining movie for a
Speaker 2: lot of people.
Speaker 4: I think, oh yeah, And it's just the soundtrack is
Speaker 4: amazing too, especially nowadays re listening to it, and then
Speaker 4: I think, it's all the movies I've watched ate at
Speaker 4: least the first time, you know, I'm a punk fan too,
Speaker 4: and hearing face to face in uh you know in
Speaker 4: this was just like, Wow, Okay, I forgot that was it.
Speaker 4: Anker was one. It had been probably yeah, like twenty
Speaker 4: twenty five years since I saw it until we restored
Speaker 4: it too. So it's so that's a loaded amazing vsu
Speaker 4: uh worth worth it. It's just it's just so.
Speaker 1: Good, so did you there's no there's no behind the
Speaker 1: scenes features for many of the musicians, though, right.
Speaker 4: I don't think we know. That's okay, we realized. I
Speaker 4: think I think we did presume and we just couldn't
Speaker 4: get any of it. I thought there is really look
Speaker 4: at it here.
Speaker 3: I haven't pulled up right now, I can tell you
Speaker 3: there's there's You're right, I see it here. A new
Speaker 3: featurette with director Rachel Talalay and artist Gary Baseman. Yeah. Oh,
Speaker 3: you guys got Catherine Hardwick to do an interview.
Speaker 4: That's awesome. Ye, she's great too. But yeah, I don't
Speaker 4: believe anything. Yeah, anything to unfortunately too. But we did
Speaker 4: get the new stuff about the Rippers, which is really
Speaker 4: cool to see from Winston Studio. And yeah, just again
Speaker 4: another film which people haven't seen it or just heard
Speaker 4: about it. They haven't taken a look at it, you know,
Speaker 4: in years or ever. I hope people see it, especially
Speaker 4: nowadays with like the Mad Max and Fury Riosa and
Speaker 4: all of that. Go to Tank Girl because it's.
Speaker 3: A lot of fun it And you have at the
Speaker 3: some some kind of friends of vs. Heather Draine and
Speaker 3: Elizabeth Burchell doing some essay work too, so that that's awesome.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they all do great work for this too.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I love all of the disc producers that
Speaker 2: you all have.
Speaker 1: You got really lucky, I think. But just since you're
Speaker 1: here in case this helps her good at promotion. I
Speaker 1: want to say, I love when Claudia produces a disc
Speaker 1: because it's the art design, the production design, the She's
Speaker 1: just got such a visual imagination, visual mind with her
Speaker 1: background that I just I love. I can always see
Speaker 1: like when it's one of her discs and I get
Speaker 1: excited because it's like a it's like, you know, she
Speaker 1: really digs into like the vibe and the feel and
Speaker 1: the and the you know, the way the movie kind
Speaker 1: of touches you, which I love.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, absolutely so she and you and also you
Speaker 4: and can't do they do fantastic work also. Yeah, and
Speaker 4: just you know, we were very lucky in the producers
Speaker 4: who were work with, uh Elijah Dreunner another big one
Speaker 4: who doesn't work too, and you know, we're very lucky
Speaker 4: with who were able to get you know, producing all
Speaker 4: this stuff.
Speaker 3: So when when you guys do location, that's one of
Speaker 3: my favorite for features when they go to like visit
Speaker 3: locations I think I think Elijah did a few of
Speaker 3: those that could be wrong, but I just remember like
Speaker 3: there was a good yeah and then you guys, you
Speaker 3: guys got one. One of my favorite ones was for
Speaker 3: Crackhouse with the VSA Oh yeah, yeah, great great features.
Speaker 3: I just because well because you know what it is.
Speaker 3: I I the reason I bring that one up is
Speaker 3: that I think with one thing you guys kind of
Speaker 3: get just naturally built into a lot of the movies
Speaker 3: you restore is good New York footage or good San
Speaker 3: Francisco footage, not just in the not just on the
Speaker 3: adult side, but but just in a lot of the
Speaker 3: movies from their low budgetness. And sometimes you'll get some
Speaker 3: other good regional stuff obviously just from a lot of
Speaker 3: the the trauma titles they acquired, the regional stuff they got.
Speaker 3: But like crack House, that that's a good LA one.
Speaker 3: That's like there's got some real good LA you know, Yeah,
Speaker 3: that's great.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And for locations, I mean crazy segue, but uh,
Speaker 4: I've been a big fan seeing all the Sato where
Speaker 4: he goes back to where he shot Sato films, and
Speaker 4: it is just because of the Sato film you have
Speaker 4: not seen a pink film and it's we'll say it's
Speaker 4: it's an acquire taste. The people who love it though,
Speaker 4: they love them.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I'm one of them, and I am late,
Speaker 3: you know, I you know, And.
Speaker 4: This is my first time really discovering them was when
Speaker 4: we did the Sato's and now seeing what's upcoming, not
Speaker 4: just Sato but other ones upcoming are just they get
Speaker 4: more crazier and crazier and just nihilistic but also lynching
Speaker 4: in too in a lot of ways. And it's just
Speaker 4: gets nuts for and it's not what you expect when
Speaker 4: you say, oh yeah Japanese exploitation, Like no, it's they
Speaker 4: are way beyond that.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I got a great taste of that with Mondo. Yeah,
Speaker 3: Mona Macabro did a few that really are like, oh,
Speaker 3: these are considered some of these are considered pink films
Speaker 3: technically or like you know, Pinky's in some capacity. And
Speaker 3: I'm really excited for Sato Volume three because of uh
Speaker 3: Turtle Vision I long heard is like a must watch.
Speaker 3: So really really stoked about that one.
Speaker 4: I can't even describe.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I already I figured as much. I actually, you know,
Speaker 3: just a quick tangent. But since we're talking about Sato,
Speaker 3: and and that's obviously one of the releases, this one
Speaker 3: definitely really exciting that that's on there. But like, and
Speaker 3: what's crazy is depending on who you're talking to with SA,
Speaker 3: that could be like what someone's like gnarly is another
Speaker 3: person's treasure, do you know what I mean? Because some
Speaker 3: people will say like, oh right, right, yeah, yeah, and
Speaker 3: some people be like, oh yeah, turtle visions fucked up.
Speaker 3: But wait till you get to like the one with
Speaker 3: the Man, Woman Horse or whatever that title is, you
Speaker 3: know what I mean, Like, it's it's crazy how much
Speaker 3: wilder it can it can get, and so really exciting
Speaker 3: that you guys did another because I think with the
Speaker 3: with the pink films particularly, uh, Like, I know there's
Speaker 3: other non satos to get to, but I do think,
Speaker 3: I do think, and I think it's a great baptism
Speaker 3: by fire though to go through these, because they're all
Speaker 3: very short anyways, So I think you'll know SATO is
Speaker 3: such a great entry point because if you do like these,
Speaker 3: you know you'll be in for other good stuff too,
Speaker 3: And if you don't, I can't see it being an
Speaker 3: upward journey at that point for a person right, So
Speaker 3: like that's before we finish out with the cinematograph and VSL.
Speaker 3: I just really quick would love to just touch on
Speaker 3: the quality X title Maraschino Cherry.
Speaker 4: Absolutely yeah, and also related to I love to talk
Speaker 4: about I think also Resurrection of Eve up there too.
Speaker 4: But yeah, Marischino Cherry is just an amazing you know.
Speaker 4: Radley Metzkert is just one of those who the best. Yeah,
Speaker 4: and he you know, he did try to make more
Speaker 4: mainstream films too, and with unfortunately limited success. But he's
Speaker 4: just one of those who was considered like and everyone
Speaker 4: who worked with him was like, he's just one of
Speaker 4: the greatest directors, not just for adult but just a
Speaker 4: film in general.
Speaker 3: And he's a great like distributor, you know. That's how
Speaker 3: he kind of cut his teeth and so he had
Speaker 3: this like overlap. There's this great book that you guys
Speaker 3: actually sell on the mel you Scene site called Man
Speaker 3: of Taste about Radley metzker It's an essential read, I
Speaker 3: think for anybody who's dug his films. I have to say,
Speaker 3: like when I played a lot of his films played
Speaker 3: in when I did Pussycat Theater Night and this this
Speaker 3: wasn't one of them, but I did, I did you
Speaker 3: know Barbara broadcast?
Speaker 4: We did.
Speaker 3: But even Tale of Tiffany Lust, which I would argue
Speaker 3: is probably like more mid tier Metskir ye And I
Speaker 3: don't say that in a bad way. It's still fucking killed.
Speaker 3: Like the audience loved.
Speaker 4: It, amazing film.
Speaker 3: It's still a great film, right exactly, And so like
Speaker 3: it's interesting, I think this is the first one in
Speaker 3: a while where it's just been a Blue release. It
Speaker 3: hasn't been one of the one of the male you
Speaker 3: scene four K titles. Is it is that just an
Speaker 3: elements thing or it just wasn't there, Like how is
Speaker 3: that decided for? Because I would say I think out
Speaker 3: of all the male you seine titles aside from Blonde Ambition,
Speaker 3: I think thus far they've all been Radley Metzker yeap.
Speaker 4: I just do want to correct it. It is also
Speaker 4: I believe Blue Ray just okay, so is Blu Ray
Speaker 4: only again too? And unfortunately this is another one where
Speaker 4: again we did the you know, thirty five milimeter negative,
Speaker 4: but it was one where the you know, it's never
Speaker 4: gonna be perfect either, and yeah, they just wanted to
Speaker 4: do the best possible.
Speaker 3: Blu Ray they can, you know, and yeah, totally.
Speaker 4: If it you know, maybe one day a four kick
Speaker 4: can happen too. But yeah, the Blu Ray for this
Speaker 4: is I think the best it's ever gonna look, and
Speaker 4: just the best it is.
Speaker 3: H that's good enough. I think that's good enough. It's
Speaker 3: really easy to take for granted that even to get
Speaker 3: it on a Blu Ray, and I was wrong. The
Speaker 3: other one I just remembered was Through the Looking Glass,
Speaker 3: which is a masterpiece. But yeah, that's that's great. I'm
Speaker 3: just glad to see more Metsker. I honestly, I'm really
Speaker 3: excited for the uh, for all the other you know,
Speaker 3: Metsker ones that are getting the upgrades. I know they've
Speaker 3: been talked about, and so really exciting that that this one,
Speaker 3: this one's there. And also obviously now that you've done
Speaker 3: Behind the Green Door, you got the other Mitchell, you know,
Speaker 3: Resurrection of Eve. Now you're going to like, I think
Speaker 3: what people would consider more because Behind the Green Door,
Speaker 3: I think it's reputation. It's as much of a what's
Speaker 3: the word I'm looking for, like it's it's obviously a
Speaker 3: landmark film. Oh so it carries a lot of baggage
Speaker 3: to the actual film, and that's why I think the
Speaker 3: features are important. But I love that, Like I know,
Speaker 3: for the Mitchell Brothers group, a lot of their follow
Speaker 3: ups are actually considered like the even better films.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's correct, and yeah there's so there's a lot
Speaker 4: of great stuff coming out for that too. And yeah,
Speaker 4: with Behind the Green Door, it was such a cultural mainstam.
Speaker 4: I mean you have like just those funny clips on
Speaker 4: like YouTube, and I mean most recently, I think it
Speaker 4: was for promotion for John Cena for Freaking Peacemaker or
Speaker 4: something or one of his films where they were like, oh,
Speaker 4: what's your favorite film or something, and he brought up
Speaker 4: Behind the Green Door and his co actors did not
Speaker 4: know what that was.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah yeah. And if you at the top
Speaker 3: review on letterbox is like I'm only here because John
Speaker 3: Cena sent me here or something.
Speaker 4: Yeah like that, and then another but even better recommendation.
Speaker 4: I still think it's indriselda because his production company is
Speaker 4: Green Door Productions, and he came apparently he came up
Speaker 4: with that like nothing to do with it at all,
Speaker 4: and then you know it's production people should watch look
Speaker 4: up the clip on YouTube because it's it's hilarious and
Speaker 4: he explains it better. But it's one of those things
Speaker 4: where he's like, oh yeah, Green Door Production, man, Yeah,
Speaker 4: I'll do that, and you know, my producers are like, uh,
Speaker 4: you know what this has to do with porn? Right,
Speaker 4: He's like, what are you talking about? And like, well,
Speaker 4: what it's about and he's like, well, it's the first
Speaker 4: one of the first pornos with an interracial scene. And
Speaker 4: he's like, oh wow, Like tell me more about this
Speaker 4: and he's like, well, there's a climax shot that lasts
Speaker 4: for about seven minutes and he's like, yeah, we gotta
Speaker 4: use it based on this. Are you kidding me? Like,
Speaker 4: what are you talking about?
Speaker 3: Is so yeah, it's he's still the coolest guy I am. Yeah.
Speaker 4: So I'm like, that's that's the no one could do
Speaker 4: a better recommendation for Behind the Green Door of.
Speaker 2: The hottest the hottest man in history pretty much.
Speaker 4: Yeah. But yeah, so hopefully people also rediscover you know,
Speaker 4: Resurrection of Eve too, and like you said, the other
Speaker 4: Mitchell Brothers films, because arguably those are the even better
Speaker 4: you know films coming out too. So uh so, yeah,
Speaker 4: lots of good things with that and uh uh yeah,
Speaker 4: a lot of great adult stuff coming out, so for
Speaker 4: VSL by the time this airs, the other one people
Speaker 4: will see is another fun fifties monster movie called The
Speaker 4: snow Creature. And yeah this I think it's always a
Speaker 4: great day when a Bigfoot movie or a Yeti movie
Speaker 4: can be shown to the public and back out in
Speaker 4: the world. This one had again a crazy like you know,
Speaker 4: you couldn't see it the best way possible for the
Speaker 4: longest time. But yeah, but it came out and it
Speaker 4: looks as beautiful as it can be. But man, in
Speaker 4: the fifties it was. It was made in a weird time.
Speaker 4: Fair warning. It's you know, it takes place in a pall.
Speaker 4: They're searching for the Yeti actually comes to La and
Speaker 4: causes mayhem and havoc and everything ensues. It's great if
Speaker 4: you love the just the great B fifteen fifties B
Speaker 4: movies too. Another great person like working with I love
Speaker 4: Kim Newman. He does a great kind of video interview
Speaker 4: and talks about the different YETI movies and the start
Speaker 4: of that because it came out really around, actually came
Speaker 4: out I think earlier than Hammers. The Hominable Snowman two
Speaker 4: and it was just crazy to see, you know, these
Speaker 4: black and white things and people taking on these you know,
Speaker 4: the weird cryptozoological things very early and uh but fair warning,
Speaker 4: this is a film where it takes place in Nepal.
Speaker 4: Apparently they did try to find Nepali's actors time and
Speaker 4: they couldn't find them, so they literally hired Japanese actors
Speaker 4: who just speak Japanese, so people should be aware of that.
Speaker 4: And it's is, it is what it is. I don't
Speaker 4: know what else.
Speaker 2: Nothing beats white cannibal queen though just like Italian.
Speaker 4: Some of that, I mean, fair war even fair warning too.
Speaker 4: There is a Veil episode called the Return of Madam
Speaker 4: Vernoy I believe it's called, and it is definitely unfortunately
Speaker 4: uh or lack of a better term, where they definitely
Speaker 4: had European actors playing people from India and it takes
Speaker 4: place in India and it's just not the weirdest, but
Speaker 4: especially when they're go all out, Oh you know why,
Speaker 4: I think should be the perfect you know, half Hindu,
Speaker 4: half French person that I could think of. Well, apparently
Speaker 4: when they made it, they thought, uh, no, one like
Speaker 4: George Hamilton as his first role should be that person
Speaker 4: and you're like, what the hell. It's not the worst
Speaker 4: of the worst, but yeah, it's one. It's it's the
Speaker 4: only episode like that, but good episode. Otherwise, just weird,
Speaker 4: you know, and people should be aware of that stuff.
Speaker 4: But uh but yeah, otherwise, the snow Creature is just
Speaker 4: this great classic B movie, just weird the The Abominable
Speaker 4: Snowman comes to La and Savoc. So speaking of locations, yeah,
Speaker 4: it'll be interesting to see if people check out, you know,
Speaker 4: the they're like, oh, okay, I know that place too,
Speaker 4: and uh yeah, it's just another weird, weirdo B movie
Speaker 4: one that we get to put out. So yeah, that's
Speaker 4: the VSL. That's awesome.
Speaker 1: Well you'd said that tank Girl was the one you
Speaker 1: wanted to save to a last but I mean there's
Speaker 1: there's nothing small about being able to put out The Gambler.
Speaker 4: Oh my god. Yeah. The two cinematographs, both of them
Speaker 4: are fantastic. I mean the Gambler seeing that we I
Speaker 4: don't think. I've definitely seen bits and pieces on television,
Speaker 4: but I never saw the whole thing. And it's an amazing,
Speaker 4: amazing film. Justin really went all out on it, and
Speaker 4: it's just such amazing character piece because I think people
Speaker 4: are used to James Kahn playing like even in Elf,
Speaker 4: he's essentially a tough guy, you know, like in a
Speaker 4: lot of the films he's a tough guy. In this
Speaker 4: he is not a tough guy at all. He is
Speaker 4: against his type and is you know, very like it's
Speaker 4: not just vulnerability.
Speaker 2: It's like, I mean, he plays a loser, right, he
Speaker 2: plays him.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you're hitting him because he and he's an addict.
Speaker 4: He's literally a gamling addict. He he cannot stop, he
Speaker 4: cannot stop when and he it's like he has a
Speaker 4: rich he comes from a rich family. They said they'll help,
Speaker 4: they hand it to him, and he just he can't
Speaker 4: help himself, and he gets worse and worse. But the
Speaker 4: film is incredible. A lot of really early performances Paul
Speaker 4: Sorvino very young in it is great too.
Speaker 2: Uh, just the just everyone.
Speaker 4: Involved behind the scenes and the making of and there's
Speaker 4: new I guess great you know, interviews with the director
Speaker 4: as well and behind the scenes on it, and it's
Speaker 4: just it's just an amazing one that people can rediscover
Speaker 4: for themselves to I think, Oh.
Speaker 3: No, I was just gonna say the only thing I
Speaker 3: wanted to say was what what's great when I think
Speaker 3: Justin does a really good job of with Cinematograph is
Speaker 3: a combination of like things that need to be like
Speaker 3: rediscovered or discovered. But like The gam The Gambler is
Speaker 3: one of those movies I've been wanting to see for
Speaker 3: a long time and I just haven't gotten around to. Yeah, totally,
Speaker 3: but but it's one of those things where I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 3: if it's there, cool, But you know, as someone who subscribes,
Speaker 3: I'm like, oh, great, I could throw this in watch it,
Speaker 3: you know. And obviously because we're doing the pod, we
Speaker 3: watch everything from from mainline and sub labels that we
Speaker 3: can get to, and yeh, it's like a pleasure to
Speaker 3: be able to watch this and and then also like
Speaker 3: you know, there's also the discovery aspect of it. I
Speaker 3: don't think I would have ever sat down and watched
Speaker 3: joy Ride, King of the Gypsies, you know, I could
Speaker 3: I get bang the drum slowly, even the you know,
Speaker 3: you know Shanks, and like these movies that again, like
Speaker 3: you say, a lot of them have blu rays in
Speaker 3: some capacities almost free, but there's nothing that's going to
Speaker 3: bring my attention to them, because there isn't like a
Speaker 3: curatorial aspect to it most of the time. So it's
Speaker 3: just being put out because the studio has it and
Speaker 3: they know it'll it'll move a little, you know, and
Speaker 3: so so they'll put it on like a you know,
Speaker 3: it's like a bare bones release, whereas here it gets
Speaker 3: like real. And I've said it before, like when I
Speaker 3: make like my year end, like my physical media, like
Speaker 3: kind of stacks of what I love the most of
Speaker 3: each year. Since twenty twenty four, cinematographs had one in there.
Speaker 3: Twenty twenty four was Who Killed Teddy Bear was like,
Speaker 3: just oh my god, that that movie, Like I just
Speaker 3: had been dying to see it for years and it
Speaker 3: was incredible. And like I said, Joyride was like the
Speaker 3: big surprise, and then this past year it was bang
Speaker 3: the well a New Leaf was like the release. Oh,
Speaker 3: you know, like that's a no brainer. Yeah, but then
Speaker 3: like you know, bang the drum slowly. I otherwise wouldn't
Speaker 3: have watched, and I watched it and I was like, fuck,
Speaker 3: this movie rocks. I'm like glad I saw this.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it's amazing. I mean what Justin does and curates,
Speaker 4: it's incredible and again the next year coming up is amazing.
Speaker 4: But man, what he did for also real quick at
Speaker 4: close range.
Speaker 3: Was oh god, yeah, I'm so stoked to revisit that.
Speaker 4: Like I couldn't believe. We got both Christopher Walking and
Speaker 4: Sean penn for interviews about it. They're amazing interviews and
Speaker 4: it was so great. I guess apparently like one wouldn't
Speaker 4: do it unless the other did, and then one yes,
Speaker 4: and then okay, well we're both doing it because I know,
Speaker 4: I know pennanties he doesn't do that many of these,
Speaker 4: like the interviews for the past, you know, for his
Speaker 4: past work, So it was great to hear him talk
Speaker 4: about all of this stuff too. And Christopher Walking, he
Speaker 4: loves the film. He was one of his favorites. So
Speaker 4: seeing that and then again get those great video essays
Speaker 4: about the real Johnson family. I think it was in Pennsylvania,
Speaker 4: the crime family, and it's just man, even that film
Speaker 4: left out some of the heinous ship that they that
Speaker 4: happened in real life too. So but yeah, going back
Speaker 4: to it, the Gambler is just another great cinematograph one.
Speaker 2: And what about the second title for the month, the
Speaker 2: second one?
Speaker 4: Uh and by the time this hears will be up.
Speaker 4: But uh married to the Mob?
Speaker 1: Uh?
Speaker 4: Yeah, so again fund Stay did a great blu Ray two.
Speaker 4: We just did another expansion of it and all new
Speaker 4: for four K on that four K transfer, it's beautiful,
Speaker 4: it's correct.
Speaker 3: Sorry, it just cut out for me. But do you
Speaker 3: say I'm married to the Mob? It was that's a
Speaker 3: four K No, no, no, that's not on you. That
Speaker 3: was on me, but not sorry. The title I got
Speaker 3: it was that you guys transferred it from the original negative.
Speaker 3: Is that what the right?
Speaker 4: Right? Yeah?
Speaker 3: I know what the FC ones that were like released
Speaker 3: a few years ago between that and Breathless, they were
Speaker 3: like for those were like interpositives or like less than
Speaker 3: desirable elements compared.
Speaker 4: To it and OC times that's all you got in general. Yeah,
Speaker 4: sure they could do. But uh no, it's beautiful, it
Speaker 4: sounds great, looks great. Uh and it's just one of
Speaker 4: those amazing films that again, it's just so fun. It's
Speaker 4: just so fun. You don't expect it to be because
Speaker 4: there are some dark moments in the film, but it's
Speaker 4: it's just so fun with it. And again brand new
Speaker 4: commentary and interview with Matthew Modine as well all about
Speaker 4: it and so yeah, there's an I can't remember all
Speaker 4: the time I had, but there's a ton of great
Speaker 4: extras on it as well. So uh yeah, it's a
Speaker 4: pretty excellent lineup overall. For for January, I think, real
Speaker 4: quick shout out. It's already sold out, but I guess
Speaker 4: they're getting the standards in soon too. Uh but so
Speaker 4: happy uh film movement, Oh man.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we didn't even get to the partners. What a
Speaker 3: fucking months, man, I know, I am flat fucking broke
Speaker 3: because of Partner's Month, Like that's what Partner's mon, excuse me,
Speaker 3: partner releases. But yeah, I mean I can't believe. I'm
Speaker 3: so glad you brought that up, because like, yeah, I
Speaker 3: mean as soon as I saw The Great Silence before
Speaker 3: I even finished, as soon as my subscription went through,
Speaker 3: that's the first thing I picked up. I didn't hesitate.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and the same way I bought that, and then
Speaker 4: I also bought uh, I had to buy I've heard
Speaker 4: of it. I never saw it. But when they said
Speaker 4: for Canadian International Pictures, a Ghostkeeper, yeah, yeah, another crazy
Speaker 4: one too, and it's just summary looking at it too,
Speaker 4: trigger man, Like I never saw that I've heard of it,
Speaker 4: never saw it.
Speaker 3: But like, yeah, all these I mean even the Kannie
Speaker 3: one by by Love has been a long time people
Speaker 3: have been waiting for that. I'm shocked that's the slips
Speaker 3: aren't gone yet. They're down to like two hundred and
Speaker 3: eighty something. But like, yeah, still like the fact that
Speaker 3: that's like incredible. Yeah, like Chris just said the the
Speaker 3: you know, I know AGFA has all the HG. Lewis films,
Speaker 3: but they got you know, blast Off Girls, and yeah,
Speaker 3: like I grilled the body of the film, I know
Speaker 3: more than I No, I don't, I actually don't. Yeah,
Speaker 3: but you know, like and the Club Super eight one
Speaker 3: with the Christina Lindberg documentary was a hot seller. It's
Speaker 3: it's funny because I don't think there's any other distribution
Speaker 3: company that can like get these docs out because and
Speaker 3: this guy's come up in the discord. Documentaries are are
Speaker 3: a tricky thing in in terms of selling it because
Speaker 3: the rewatchability isn't there necessarily, right, It's more of like
Speaker 3: a it's it's a one time thing, so like most people,
Speaker 3: they'll relegate that to a rental or something else. Like
Speaker 3: in terms of seeing it, theatrically a repertory. So it's
Speaker 3: really cool that I think these like genre documentaries get
Speaker 3: get a chance because the problem is a lot of
Speaker 3: document modern documentaries are made for streaming, so they're there
Speaker 3: are these like they're they're like kind of digest versions
Speaker 3: that I don't know, It's not anything a Wikipedia search
Speaker 3: couldn't do. So it's cool that like something like the
Speaker 3: Christina Lindberg documentary or the ones that CIP puts out.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they do it.
Speaker 3: They do it in incredible work with like a lot
Speaker 3: of political stuff that happened in the seventies, or's like
Speaker 3: a series they put out.
Speaker 4: Those, and also a company partnerly we'll called Film Desk too,
Speaker 4: I believe that's right. Yeah, the Chili in the nineteen seventies, dock,
Speaker 4: I forget the title of Oh what bell for Chili?
Speaker 3: Battle for Yeah, the Battle Battle for Chile. Yep, they
Speaker 3: did that. And then Film Desk also, did I believe
Speaker 3: they did Gods of Times Square. Yeah.
Speaker 4: I haven't seen it yet, but yeah, I do want
Speaker 4: to check that one out too. So there's so many.
Speaker 4: I'm as busy as I am, I have so little
Speaker 4: time to watch.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, one last question in regards to that, when
Speaker 3: you restore a film, how often do you watch a
Speaker 3: film before you restore it? Like, I don't think this
Speaker 3: was touched upon when you on the first episode that
Speaker 3: you appeared on, but like, yeah, when you watch a
Speaker 3: film or when you have to restore something, how often
Speaker 3: are you watching something like for reference or knowing, like
Speaker 3: you have to watch the film that it's entirety to
Speaker 3: know what you're in for in terms of restoration or
Speaker 3: how does that work for you?
Speaker 4: No, I usually if it's something in house, or whether
Speaker 4: it's in house or scan in La or Hong Kong
Speaker 4: or Italy doesn't matter. We you know, I gathered everything
Speaker 4: up too. But if it's something I'm scanning in house too, uh,
Speaker 4: I get it all together. And it's a film I've
Speaker 4: seen before, obviously I could go through and know okay, huh,
Speaker 4: we might need other footage from like the IP or
Speaker 4: something like that as well. It's a fill in or
Speaker 4: I'll know, okay, this seems complete, you know. But a
Speaker 4: lot of that type of thing that's for Curtis specifically too.
Speaker 4: He handles the you know, going through the references. Also
Speaker 4: Joe Rubin does too, but it's to go through every
Speaker 4: single reference to make sure we have the most complete version.
Speaker 4: When we get to something like the Upcoming Lady in White,
Speaker 4: which everyone knows has had three different versions, or especially
Speaker 4: with these Hong Kong and Italian film Giallo films too,
Speaker 4: because they they've also had multiple versions or cut versus uncut,
Speaker 4: and how do you know what you have? You know?
Speaker 4: And so there's that's Curtis like excels that with figuring
Speaker 4: out what version we have, what footage we need to source.
Speaker 4: In addition to so, I mean still to this day,
Speaker 4: what they with him would Oscar MGM to huge help
Speaker 4: get to me getting dirty work? The unrated or are
Speaker 4: rated cut? Yeah, all together was incredible to I.
Speaker 2: Don't think you're allowed to call it the r raty cut.
Speaker 2: Wasn't there something funny about that?
Speaker 3: Yeah? It was called the dirty cut, dirty or cut?
Speaker 4: Thank you? Sorry? Yeah, no my own rules here, yes,
Speaker 4: uh so because it wasn't rated. So but yeah, the
Speaker 4: dirty or cut. Just what they had to do to
Speaker 4: make that happen was just insane. It wasn't. It wasn't
Speaker 4: quite like New York Ninja, but it was almost like
Speaker 4: that level.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I remember, I remember when Oscar did the winding
Speaker 3: through for that. Yeah, seeing that, I was like, man,
Speaker 3: that's like heroic work. Man, that's like truly incredible, incredible,
Speaker 3: like the Valor.
Speaker 4: Yeah, because I mean again and going with that, going
Speaker 4: with going back to television stuff too. You know, I
Speaker 4: know there's gonna be some crazy nineties stuff I'll want
Speaker 4: to do and to do it right, it's it'll probably
Speaker 4: be shot on film but edited on tape, which means
Speaker 4: like you have to just you scan everything. You scan
Speaker 4: it the dailies, you scan the original takes. We've done
Speaker 4: that before for feature films, like, uh, A great example
Speaker 4: I use is Haunted Ween from the Got Homegrown Horror. Yeah,
Speaker 4: it's a volume three, Yeah, volume three, thank you, And
Speaker 4: that was one where it was edited on tape, but
Speaker 4: we found the original camera negatives, but they were when
Speaker 4: I say uncut, it's literally like oh yeah, slate take one, wow,
Speaker 4: take two, like and getting that together. It's been crazy
Speaker 4: and it can be done. It can be scanned, It
Speaker 4: all be done.
Speaker 2: It just takes time.
Speaker 4: It takes time.
Speaker 3: For studio work. Is that is that much more of
Speaker 3: a cakewalk then? Like like in terms of like something
Speaker 3: like Tink Girl or Virtuosity where you know, there isn't
Speaker 3: like it's not a compromised thing. It's just uh, you know,
Speaker 3: that's a lot of your work.
Speaker 4: Never a cake walk for anure. It can be easier
Speaker 4: in terms of okay, there's one version. There's one version
Speaker 4: that was all always ever made, you know, with thirty work,
Speaker 4: obviously there there was two versions made, but obviously they
Speaker 4: changed it in previews for like the focus group and
Speaker 4: stuff like that afterwards, and uh, that's so you just
Speaker 4: don't know necessarily, but like with something like tank Girl,
Speaker 4: it has the one cut, as it were, and so
Speaker 4: it is easier. Never a cake walk, but it is
Speaker 4: easier on that sort of.
Speaker 3: That's yeah, yeah, it's yeah, that's funny. The way I
Speaker 3: had asked that, I'm like, oh, yeah, it's just the
Speaker 3: thing where you just scan it and you're like, all right,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna call it is a good time to just
Speaker 3: catch up on uh yeah, yeah, it's just scans in
Speaker 3: the background.
Speaker 4: But yeah, I know I could tell you upcoming vague,
Speaker 4: but people people will surely guess, I'm sure, but there's
Speaker 4: so many of those coming out were more than one
Speaker 4: cut people have not seen before and just figuring it
Speaker 4: all out so uh yeah, it's it's been it's been crazy. Uh,
Speaker 4: Curtis Man, more power to you dealing with all of this.
Speaker 4: I just just have to scan it.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, fair enough, fair enough?
Speaker 1: Yeah again, kind of as vague as possible here, Please
Speaker 1: keep it vage because the intent is not to be
Speaker 1: not to picture on the tight spot. Are there any
Speaker 1: first time film directors that you're excited about coming up
Speaker 1: this year, because that's one trend I've noticed the last
Speaker 1: two years. Y'all have just had some incredible film directors
Speaker 1: that you're able to get to their stuff. I don't
Speaker 1: think so okay, maybe maybe not Okay, that could be good. Brandon,
Speaker 1: It's it's always a joy to have you on. We
Speaker 1: we kind of talked about this off air to make
Speaker 1: sure you're okay with it. But anytime there's an iconoscope
Speaker 1: title or anything that you're just pumped about that you
Speaker 1: worked on, please come back and let's let's let's pump
Speaker 1: it up.
Speaker 4: Absolutely no, thank you guys again for doing this. Uh,
Speaker 4: thank you guys for getting the word out and having
Speaker 4: me on. It's been a long time coming.
Speaker 3: So yeah, this could truly I could spend another hour
Speaker 3: just like with how even longer like with the stuff
Speaker 3: that because we talked about everything, but I still feel
Speaker 3: like we're just scratching the surfaces, you know, totally.
Speaker 4: I mean you can do you can do a bonus
Speaker 4: one just talking about themselves, that's true. Yeah. So but anyways,
Speaker 4: it's been fantastic.
Speaker 3: Congratulations on the line. Man, very very glad to hear
Speaker 3: it's going. It's it's that you're like floating on cloud
Speaker 3: nine with this because it's awesome. I'm really looking forward to.
Speaker 3: But I'm like, of the titles that got announced for
Speaker 3: the sub label stuff, it's like some of the most
Speaker 3: exciting stuff for me. That and the Malo you scene
Speaker 3: stuff or just I'm so pumped.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, no, definitely. And everyone who's listening out there,
Speaker 4: who's already you know, taking a chance on my kind
Speaker 4: of scope. Thank you so much to the subscribers still subscribing.
Speaker 4: Thank you, Thank you for the bottom of our hearts
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Speaker 3: So beautiful, beautiful way to end it. Yeah, I couldn't
Speaker 3: agree more.
Speaker 2: Thanks Bnon.
Speaker 4: Thank you guys.
Speaker 2: Always a pleasure man, Thank you, jeez man, Just thank Brandon.
Speaker 2: That's so cool. Like I love every time Brandon comes on.
Speaker 1: You know, I think this is you know, this is
Speaker 1: kind of cliche to say, but like everybody you talk
Speaker 1: to you on the staff there, they just love movies
Speaker 1: so much.
Speaker 2: It's so awesome.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think people really can take that for I
Speaker 3: keep saying in this phrase, but I think people can
Speaker 3: take that for granted when they releases out because they're
Speaker 3: like really are working Nonstine just listening to him talk
Speaker 3: about like working through what happened is is like appendix
Speaker 3: burst and he was like working through like literal medical nightmares.
Speaker 3: But you know, and you're right, like when you've had
Speaker 3: on special special feature features producer, excuse me, like when
Speaker 3: Claudia was on, when even when we talk to like
Speaker 3: Brett with AGFA, like they're living and breathing this stuff.
Speaker 3: So like if it's I think that really speaks to
Speaker 3: the preservation aspect of all of this, which I think
Speaker 3: is the most important part. So again, it's like we
Speaker 3: always say, it's exactly what we wanted from this conversation,
Speaker 3: like exactly what I was hoping to hear, and I
Speaker 3: loved every second of it.
Speaker 1: Well me too, Me too, Eli, We've got some We've
Speaker 1: got kind of an exciting twenty twenty six. Yeah, planned,
Speaker 1: I know you and I have a little bit more
Speaker 1: planning to do to finalize some ideas. But for the meantime,
Speaker 1: Instagram is the Hunk Vacation podcast. We're both on the
Speaker 1: VS discord. Do you want to tease what's coming up
Speaker 1: in the next week or so the next few days.
Speaker 3: Yes, we have an episode we recorded right at the
Speaker 3: end of the year with Celeste where we covered an
Speaker 3: incredible like a Murderer's Row releases in October, which included
Speaker 3: the Wes Craven movie, Fireworks, Woman a Blastic Double and
Speaker 3: Sato Volume one and I feel like I'm missing one more.
Speaker 3: We had a couple like partner titles, but but it's
Speaker 3: just we kind of go through everything. Celest did it
Speaker 3: as a live stream and she also they recommended, you know, hey,
Speaker 3: put this out as an episode. Happy to So We
Speaker 3: got the audio for that and that'll be coming out
Speaker 3: and it went so well, and because there's such a
Speaker 3: an insane amount of titles to cover, we're actually going
Speaker 3: to do this again with the November releases with and
Speaker 3: December partner stuff. So really really excited for that. And yeah,
Speaker 3: it'll be out within the next about a week from
Speaker 3: when this one comes out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, man, Well, thank you as always too.
Speaker 3: Hey, thank you, likewise, man, can't see you, see you
Speaker 3: in the next episode.
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