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Speaker 1: The paranormal zifos, monsters, Mysteries that you're listening to Talking

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your host, Doctor Dean Bertram.

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Speaker 2: Who greetings of my fellow widows and widows, Welcome to

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Talking Weird on the Untold Radio Network. As always undelighted,

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you've decided to join me for the next hour or

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whole universe, this world. Regardless of greetings, I'm delighted to

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have you all here today. Is it warm where you

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all are now? Got warm in the north Woods, real sun.

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We had some crazy storms recently and then it just

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warmed up. And yesterday the fog when I had to drive,

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when I had to drive my daughter to her home

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school group, it was phenomenal. It looked like something out

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of a horror movie. It was so thick, but now

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beautiful clear days here and I hope they're beautiful days

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wherever you are on this planet or in this amazing country,

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or maybe you're listening from somewhere else. Anyway, Greetings, thank

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you for being here. I'm super excited about our guest tonight.

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I love having people on from the state that I

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know now call home, Wisconsin. And he's the host of

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Connecting the Dots on wjf W News Watched twelve and

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a north Woods Moment in History on WXPR, bringing Northwards

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history to a wider audience through storytelling and research. He's

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a Northwoods his story, and he's based in Ryelander, Wisconsin.

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He's dedicated his life pretty much preserving and sharing the stories, folklore,

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and heritage of the region. It's a fascinating region, as

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you'll find out tonight. As director of the Pioneer Park

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Historical Complex in Rhyinelander, he works to keep local history

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accessible and engaging through exhibits, tours, and community programming. He

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also serves as president of the Aneida County Fair held

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at Pioneer Park, the very event where the legend of

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the Hodag first captured imaginations. In Rhymelander. He is also

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in the organizing committee of the annual Hodag Heritage Festival

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in Rhymeland, which at Rhymelander, which is bearing down us, honest,

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and we'll be talking about that tonight some and that's

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celebrating more than a century of Hodag law and culture.

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And in addition, my goodness, he has an amazing CV.

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He serves on the Wisconsin Historical Society Board curators helping

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god state what efforts to preserve and promote Wisconsin's history.

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So I'm delighted to welcome to Talking Weird Carrie Blowdor.

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Speaker 3: Greetings, Kerry, doctor Dean Bertram, thanks so much for having

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me on the show. Looks like blowedorn, says like bladeorn.

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Speaker 2: But who's counting blade on? I should have asked you before.

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So it's Kerrie Bladeorn.

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Speaker 3: It's a Schroder Schrader thing. I'm not sure how that

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comes about. There are some Blowedorns on the other part

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of the countries, on the other side of the country.

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I'm not one of them. Maybe we're related. I'm not sure.

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Speaker 2: See maybe if there was an actual native of Wisconsin

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engine just cause my adopt at home, I would have

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understood the nuances in pronunciation. I'm sure my girlfriend, Samantha Crawsey,

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who's probably listening, understands.

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Speaker 3: Well, Wisconsin's a friendly, easygoing place, so easily forgiven.

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Speaker 2: So you've and you've always been in the part of

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the state you're in now.

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Speaker 3: Well, my grandmother great grandmother were born and raised in Ryan.

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I was born an Air Force brat in Mine, not

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North Dakota actually, and eventually made my way back to

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my parents' hometown of Anago, Wisconsin, which is just about

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forty five minutes south of Rhinelander. And about twenty years

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ago I moved up to Rhinelander, somewhat of a homecoming

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for me with my familiar heritage here, I met a

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born and raised Hodegg and I've raised my family here

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ever since.

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Speaker 2: So from the time you were there, were you conscious

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of it? And we'll get to some more of your background,

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more of the Hoegg itself, but were you conscious of

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the hodag very early on? Is it something which is

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pretty inescapable in that rhyinlandra area when she will finally

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settled there.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, I've been visiting Rhinelander since I was a child,

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and the hot egg has always been present. If you

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visit Rhinelander, it's just part of the deal. As soon

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as you come into town. It's everywhere. It's part of

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the cultural fabric of the community. And just follow suit

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with everything you do here.

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Speaker 2: I know there's even like a sporting team. One of

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my good friends Rich you might even be listening to

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I who lives up that part of the world. He's

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sports team top or something that is your high school team,

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the Hodaggs. Is this something?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Our high school mascot is the hold egg I

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want to say two three years ago, there was a

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national competition for the best high school mascot, and hod

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Eggs were voted the best high school mascot in the

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nation out of twenty four thousand mascots.

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Speaker 1: Wow.

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Speaker 3: So it's very unique and you'll be hard pressed to

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find anywhere else in the United States that loves their

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monster as much as Ryan Lander, Wisconsin loves its hold Eggs.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to ask you about the hodagg and you

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can fill people in on it in a minute, but

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maybe we'll throw out there immediately that we're only about

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a month away from the hoed Egg Heritage festival. Can

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you give a little bit of detail about that before

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we talk about the creature itself.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we have an annual event here in Rhyinelander that

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celebrates all things hot eggs. It's heritage, it's history, its culture.

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It's been a cultural phenomena here in Ryelander and across

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the state of Wisconsin for over one hundred and thirty years.

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legends that companies pay millions of dollars for and we

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just have it here in Rhinelander as a part of

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our everyday lives and we have a lot of fun

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with it, and we talk a lot about the legends

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and the lore and the history and we bring it

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to life during this annual event. This will be year

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sixth for this annual event, but truly, every day in Ryinlander,

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Wisconsin is some amount of a Hot egg Heritage Festival.

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Speaker 2: Our mutual friend, actually he introduced me to you, Jeff

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Finnip also known as Badgerland Legends Jeff, because he runs

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the wonderful Badgeline Legends website and Facebook page. I think

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he I think he has a podcast as well where

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he did it at some stage he's been trying to

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get me to come to Hodegg Heritage for like the

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last two or three years. This year, I'm booked. I've

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actually met my girlfriend, am coming with a couple of

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our children. We booked hotels. We're good to go. We're

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really excited about it.

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Speaker 3: You're gonna come up. Yeah, I'm gonna be the hod

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Egg country. That's wonderful to hear. You're sure to have

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a good time. We have a lot of fun uh

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hod Egg stuff going on, and a lot a full

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schedule of Hodaggy exciting things happening throughout the day.

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Speaker 2: Now on the on the topic of Hoteg, let's I'm

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going to give you the floor for a minute. Maybe

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not all our audience might know what the hodagg is.

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I don't know where to start the story, but I

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know you'll know where to start it. So can you

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can you give us some background on the hod Egg Yeah?

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and you know, we're in a Hot Egg Heritage Festival

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shirt right now, and I have a wardrobe full of

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hot Egg apparel and uh, I'll be in you know, California,

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I'll be in Oregon. I'll be in Iowa, be in Indiana,

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be all over the country and I'll have a hod

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egg shirt on, and people will recognize that and pointed

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out it's synonymous with Ryan Lander, Wisconsin. It has a

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lot of recognition across the country for about fifty percent

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of the people that I run into. For the other

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fifty percent of the people, I'm always willing and excited

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to share about this awesome monster, this creature, this cryptid

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from the Midwest, and Hode history goes back maybe one

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hundred and fifty or so years. It really started as

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a lumberjack tall tale in the deep dark, smoky bunk

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houses of the American logging industry. I'm going all the

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way back to the East coast out in Maine where

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logging started, and it started as this tale in the

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bunk house that transferred from bunk house to bunk house

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across the North American Pinery into New York, into Michigan,

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and eventually into Wisconsin. And so Hodaggs had been a

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part of the folklore of lumberjack history. And I always

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kind of think it's interesting that the wild wild West

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got a lot of attention, you know, with Louis lamore

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books and dime novels, when the American logging industry is

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just as romantic. And a lot of our American folklore

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from its earliest days comes from the bunk houses of

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the logging industry in the mid to late eighteen hundreds,

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and hode eggs were just one creature that they talked about.

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Storytelling really became an art form in those bunk houses,

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and so it really didn't make its way out of

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the oral history and tell about the eighteen eighties and

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it starts to appear in newspaper articles here and there.

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It pops up as just a story, a creature, an

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animal that lived in the forests of the North American

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pineries in the northern parts of the nation. And by

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the time those stories got to the bunk houses of

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the Northwoods of Wisconsin, there was a gentleman that was

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from New London, Wisconsin, originally from Fort Howard which we

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call Green Bay now, and he was working as a

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surveyor as a young man, and he had the opportunity

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to come up and survey what would become the Eagle River,

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Wisconsin area and the Rhinelander, Wisconsin area, and as a

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young man, spent a lot of time in logging camp

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bunk houses, learning the trade of surveying land, looking the

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lumberjag trade. And he really took to these tall tales

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and these stories that they were telling, and he in

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turn became a very good storyteller himself. And so he

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had heard about legends of hoad eggs. That was one

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thing that they had used to describe some of the

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phenomena that they found out in the woods. And in

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the mid to late eighteen hundreds in the north Woods

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of Wisconsin, it really was part of the last of

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the Midwest wilderness, and people across the country didn't truly

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know what types of animals could be lurking about the deep,

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old growth forest of the north Woods, and so it

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was not a far fetched idea to imagine strange animals,

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you know, held over from the ice age, living amongst

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the glacial lakes of the north Woods. And Jane heard

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about the hod egg, and a hoed egg is described

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as a four legged, oxen like creature, oxen like horns,

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tussed for teeth, razor sharp claws, covered in dark black,

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shaggy fur, horns along its back. There's a great image

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of one behind me here and Jeane had took those

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stories out of the bunk house and started telling his

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own versions of these legends. And in eighteen ninety three,

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Gene Shepherd had wrote an article for a newspaper in

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ryan Lander, Wisconsin, the New North Newspaper, under the title

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Snake Editor, and he talked about going out into the

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forest and discovering a live hod egg out in the woods.

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And he took a lumberjack posse out with a large

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bore squirt guns full of poisonous water, and bear wrestlers

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and hounds, and they tried to capture this creature they

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had discovered, and they accidentally blew it up with dynamite.

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They brought its charred remains back to Rhyinlander and showed

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it off to the general public. This newspaper article got

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syndicated and circulated in newspapers across the country, and it

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went viral, we would say, it went viral, and again

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people not really knowing what was hiding in the northwoods

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of Wisconsin, people took it as fact. And for quite

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a while, Hodeggs were, you know, among the conversations of

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the animals and creatures living up in the woods of Wisconsin.

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And then an eighteen ninety five, Oneida County, where Ryan

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Lander is seated, was starting its county fair and they

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needed a calling card. Gene Shepherd was not only a

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phenomenal storyteller and a yarn weaver, but he was very

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entertaining and he could always come up with pranks and

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ideas that were exciting for people. I can go into

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some more detail about Gene Shepherd's pranks but in a

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little while. But he then said, well, I got just

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the thing. I had discovered a live hold egg out

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in the woods, an active hot egg den, and I'm

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going to go out and capture this creature and we'll

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put it on display at the first Oneida County Fair,

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which was then held in eighteen ninety six. And so

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he did. He went out into the woods, he captured

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a hot egg, a black hot egg, and he brought

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it back. And you know, part of the lore and

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the legends was based in some of American stories that

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he had heard about this creature called Mishipisiu, the water

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panther spirit, and those stories go back thousands of years

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among Algonquin peoples and peoples around the Lake Superior region.

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And then he had heard these stories of the hodegg

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and the bunk houses, and those legends go back to

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the spirit of a dead lumber oxen. So lumberjacks would

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use oxen in the woods to remove logs from the forest,

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and when a lumber oxen would die, they would burn

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the body of the oxen on a funeral payer, and

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if they did so for seven consecutive years, the spirit

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of this animal would escape into the forest and turn

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into this this creature, reincarnate into this beast that they

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called a hodeg. And that's where the logging stories had developed.

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And so Jane took all of that and kind of

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wrapped it up into these legends, captured a live creature

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and then put it on display so you could go

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to the Oneidaka Fair and for a dime you could

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enter this dimly lit canvas sideshow style tent and see

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a real hold egg and gene perpetrated, you know, this

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hod egg. And people left believing it was a real animal.

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And it words spread across the nation that he had

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captured this animal, this ferocious beast of ice age heritage,

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and people believed it was real and it the pressure

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on him got so much over the preceding months and

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years that he eventually had to admit that this was

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just something that he had created, and it harkened back

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to those logging legends and those tall tales from the

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lumber camp bunk houses. In essence, he had got together

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with a friend of his, a lumberjag by the name

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of Luke Lake Shore Kearney, and they had created a

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real hold egg and put it on display at the

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county Fair with our articulating arms covered in oxide, horns, teeth,

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spikes along its back. So it ended up being, you know,

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that it was a hoax, and it came out of

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the dim light of the tent out into the real world. Nevertheless,

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Rhinelander really clung to this story, and I think the

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community at the time of Rhinelander in the nineteen hundreds

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thought this was awesome. It was fun, it was exciting,

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It was a calling card for the county fair, and

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they adopted it as part of their community's heritage. And

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one hundred and thirty years later in ryan Lander, Wisconsin,

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everywhere you go in town you'll see depictions of this animal.

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And you'd say, Gene Shepherd laid the foundation for this creature,

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but left the door open for creativity and for people

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to expound on the legends and the lore. And you

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see it on the water towers, it's on our snowplows,

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it's on our police cars, it's on our fire trucks.

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There's a huge statue in front of the Chamber of Commerce.

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The high school mascot is that there's murals and statues

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of it all over town. We have museums and souvenir

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shops dedicated to it. It really just never ends. And

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then in more recent popular culture, hode eggs have found

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their way in Harry Potter books, featured prominently in Fantastic

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Beasts and Where To Find Them by JK. Rowling. It

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was a Jeopardy question. It's just been all over the place.

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So it's amazing to see it evolve over the years.

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Despite being outed as just a prank, it has taken

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on a life of its own, and it's both very

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serious in Ryelander, but we also have a lot of

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fun with it. We don't take it too seriously.

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Speaker 2: I didn't know. I mean, I knew a bit about

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the Hotdegg, but I didn't know anywhere near as much

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as you just just told me and told at audience,

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So I'm so grateful that you did because of its

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presence there as this kind and of cultural symbol. Has

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that been reflected in people actually today having encounters and

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thinking that they've seen the hod egg or saying they've

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seen the hod egg? Is that something that happens in

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Rhineland or in the environs?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? Absolutely, I mean it's certainly something people point to

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as explaining phenomena that occurs. You know, if you're out

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in the woods, deep in the forest and the swamps,

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you know, camping alongside a glacial lake up here, and

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to hear a growl in the forest, I mean, it's

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got to be a hot egg. When I tell the

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stories and the legends of hot eggs at the museum

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that I work at during the summer Pioneer Park Historical Complex,

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which features the oldest LOGGI museum in the nation, I

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really try to tell it as if it was a

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real animal. I really try to honor Gene Shepherd's original

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legacy and sharing it as a real animal and a

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real creature. So even today people that come, you know,

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whether it's a flesh and blood creature is up for debate, right,

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but truly the hold egg is alive and well out

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in the forest of the north Woods.

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Speaker 2: We had a question in regards to your point of

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it being a question on Jeopardy, and it's from Lee

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Warner three six three three. Did the person answer the

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Jeopardy question about the hod egg correctly?

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Speaker 3: You know what, I don't know if they did or not.

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I'd have to look it up. It's it's like a

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meme that gets shared around our community from time to time,

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you know, when we talk about, you know, all the

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places hod eggs pop up. But that's a great question.

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I don't know if they got it correct or not.

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Speaker 2: No else I made a comment that and I've seen

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this that the ho egg was on a Scooby Do

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episode as well.

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Speaker 3: That's right, Yeah, absolutely so. It pops up in the

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craziest places.

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Speaker 2: I mean, anybody who's a regular listener to the show

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understand I tend to suspect, I mean, anybody with any

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theory about the paranormal. I mean, it's just that it's

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just conjecture. But I just a theory. But I wonder

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if sometimes what we expect to see we don't see.

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Whatever the regardless of what the reality of the external

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phenomenon or phenomena is to us. So I know I

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wouldn't be at all surprised if people actually see the

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hot egg there.

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Speaker 3: I mean, hold eggs are as real as you want

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to believe in them. I think one benefit that we

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have here in Rhinelander with hot egg heritage and history

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and culture is that I want to say that I

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want to be sensitive and gentle about this, but we

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don't have to adhere to the idea that we have

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to prove it because it's already been. It's a known quantity.

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So it's as real as much as you want to

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have fun with it. And so if you want to

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come up here and you want to see hold eggs,

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you want to go exploring the north Woods of Wisconsin

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and you want to you know, experience hod eggs, you're

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going to do that. And you're free to do that.

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And it's fun to do that, and certainly we will,

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you know, cater to that, and we do it to ourselves,

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we do it to each other, each other, we do

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it to visitors that come to the Northwoods. It's all

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part of the experience.

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Speaker 2: I think that's part of the great appeal, at least

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to my daughter who's ten and my girlfriend's daughter, who's

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coming I think is twelve now. The potential of seeing

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a hod egg when we're it, you know what I

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mean that it's like going to luck Ness, you know,

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it's like going to Willow Creek. It's going to one

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of these places which is associated with this this creature.

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And so I'm sure lots of people go in there

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and they got their eye out. They're looking for that

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hod egg.

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Speaker 3: It doesn't matter that there are a million people on

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this planet that will look you in the eye and

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tell you there's no such thing as a sasquatch, there's

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no such thing as a moth man, there's no such

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thing as a Locknus monster. None of that matters. There's

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no such thing as a hod egg. People want to

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believe things, and it's as real as you want to

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believe it. I have a six year old going on seven,

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and of course hot eggs have been a part of

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our lives and our family and in our community every day.

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You know of his sure life, and he has seen

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me be involved in carrying on this tradition of hot eggs,

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and in his heart of hearts, he knows that, you know,

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maybe the hose egg doesn't exist. As a real animal

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in the forest. But he believes it. He believes it.

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When we carry on the tradition of showing off a

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real hod egg at Hot Egg Heritage Festival, which we do,

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he's afraid of it. He believes it. He believes there's

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a hot egg at the festival. He believes they're in

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the forest, even though you know, he's been told the

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facts of the matter. So I think, I think that's

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a wonderful part of it.

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Speaker 2: Really, that is a wonderful part of why, I mean,

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one of the joys of raising a child. We were

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talking a little bit about how blessed we were before

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the show, both having children and that kind of your

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your son's you know, four years younger my daughter. But

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it's that you is that you get to see this

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imaginal world through their eyes again. You know that you,

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however jaded you might be. And I always feel sorry

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for kids whose whose whose parents might be dismissive of

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believing in things like I think one of the wonderful

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things of being young is that maybe we actually, to

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be honest, maybe they're closer to some type of deeper

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truth about reality than we are. Maybe having those eyes

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open to experience these things is more significant than those

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of us who are older and might be more dismissive.

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You know that there's something really in there.

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Speaker 3: I think that sentiment cannot be undermined. When you guys

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come up to the festival, you'll know, you'll know, you

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know where the truth lies, and that there's a big

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part of that is, you know, fun perpetrated, right, But

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even you will experience hold eggs being a real thing,

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and you will leave and you know, your kids and

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everybody that goes to this festival and everybody that comes

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to Ryelander will question it, you know, and then you

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just know that if you've got a green heart, what

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eggs are real?

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Speaker 2: That's fantastic. We have a great question from Horace Smith.

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Horrace Smith is a good friend of the show. He's

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been a guest before and he's professor emeritus of astronomy

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and physics at Michigan State University. And Horace asks, does

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the hot egg story cause Rhyanlanders to treat bigfoot stories

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more or less seriously?

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Speaker 3: So when people ask me what a hold egg is,

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you know, in short, I tell people it's Ryan Lander,

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Wisconsin's Bigfoot. Coincidentally, there have been actual Bigfoot sightings in

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the Rhinelander area as well. I would attribute it to

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hold eggs being in the forest, of course, but there's

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been bigfoot teams up in the area exploring the woods,

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you know. I think wherever you have deep forests, there's

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a possibility for you know, these cryptids to be inhabiting,

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right And certainly there are thousands of acres of deep

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woods and swamps and glacial lakes in the Northwoods of

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Wisconsin that would you know, allow you to explore, you know,

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all all aspects of that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, I'm to the south of View, but

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even where I am, and there's probably a lot more

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farming country here, maybe about the same actually, But in

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Linda's god Linda Godfrey's books, and I'm sure Linda Godfrey

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probably was, you know, had been to Ryan Landers. Certainly,

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I leave the Hodegg appears in her Weird Wisconsin book.

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But in her books there are stories of dog men

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and stories of bigfoot, like literally in my neighborhood. I'm

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not talking about like twenty miles away. I'm talking like

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down the road, you know. So I think, yeah, I

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think these things can, or at least people experience weird

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things almost anywhere, and certainly when you get in places

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where there are forests and there are woods and there

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you know, it just it makes the imagination fire up.

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Or maybe maybe these are places where we have encounters

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with these things. Who on Earth knows?

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Speaker 3: Do you?

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Speaker 2: Are you interested in other mythical beings or cryptis or whatever,

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depending what your perspective, what they are that are talked

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about in those old North Woods lumberjack traditions that you

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were talking about before, Because I know Chad Lewis wrote

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a book which for kids. Really my daughter loves that book.

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But there's other books as well from the period, including

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Jane Shepherd's, and there's there's a whole array of these beings.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean hold eggs were just before Jean Shepherd

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brought hold Eggs out of the bunk house, you know,

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into the public limelight. Lumberjacks talked about all kinds of

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creatures and animals and stories and tall tales, and of

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course we're all familiar with North American folklore with Paul

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Bunyan and Bade the Blue Ox and these extravagant stories,

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00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:08,519
and unfortunately a lot of that has been kind of

472
00:27:08,559 --> 00:27:11,279
lost to the ages. And you can dig for it,

473
00:27:11,319 --> 00:27:13,119
and you can find a lot of that history and

474
00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:15,400
some of the books written at the time. But for

475
00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:18,599
whatever reason, hold Eggs really have captured the imagination of

476
00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:23,039
the general public, at least in Wisconsin and even beyond,

477
00:27:23,559 --> 00:27:27,519
and it has staying power like none of the other

478
00:27:28,079 --> 00:27:31,519
lumberjack creatures that are You know that you can discover

479
00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:32,480
read a boat.

480
00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:39,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, I myself. I mean you can tell when you

481
00:27:39,279 --> 00:27:42,039
read these stories because I have one of the old books.

482
00:27:42,039 --> 00:27:43,400
I can't of remember what it's called. I got a

483
00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:46,799
reprint of it, obviously not the original. And Chad includes

484
00:27:46,839 --> 00:27:49,559
a lot of a lot of these creatures in some

485
00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:52,319
of his books. But I can't help but wonder if

486
00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:57,359
some of the stories in those books that I talked about,

487
00:27:57,480 --> 00:28:00,559
as today we tend to look at as just you know,

488
00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:04,559
maybe campfire tales or bunk house tales, as you was saying,

489
00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:08,759
if some of them don't have some similarities to things

490
00:28:08,799 --> 00:28:11,519
and phenomena which still exists. I mean, I know, I

491
00:28:11,519 --> 00:28:13,400
think in Shad's book as well as in the older

492
00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:16,279
one that I have, there's something called an agropelta. I

493
00:28:16,279 --> 00:28:18,519
think it's called. It's like these monkeys that are in

494
00:28:18,599 --> 00:28:21,039
trees and throw branches and things at people. And this

495
00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:23,400
is long before people were talking about Bigfoot, right, And

496
00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:27,279
you think monkeys in the north woods throwing things at people,

497
00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:29,640
you know, you tend to think, gosh, that sounds an

498
00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:31,759
awful lot like things which are in Bigfoot law.

499
00:28:33,279 --> 00:28:35,359
Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, there are all kinds of creatures that

500
00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:39,240
we could talk about, hoop snakes, and my daughter loves letters,

501
00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:43,119
and there's bisquitos which are half be half mosquito. You know,

502
00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:48,079
there's all kinds of creatures within folklore, and that's a

503
00:28:48,119 --> 00:28:52,640
really important part of North American history. Of course, storytelling

504
00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:56,400
goes back to ancient times, but if you look into

505
00:28:56,599 --> 00:29:01,000
the folklore history of North America, you're going to really

506
00:29:01,039 --> 00:29:06,400
have to dive deep into lumberjack stories. And like all

507
00:29:06,559 --> 00:29:10,200
stories and like all folklore, there's grains of truth spread

508
00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:12,759
throughout it. And you know, the Native American people of

509
00:29:12,759 --> 00:29:15,839
the Lake Superior region believed in this Missipicio, this water

510
00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:19,559
panther spirit, and if you look up depictions of that creature,

511
00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:22,319
you'll see that. You know, hold eggs are maybe another

512
00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:26,559
reiteration of that in a different way, and the same

513
00:29:26,559 --> 00:29:31,319
thing with hodeggs carrying on these lumberjack tall tales as well.

514
00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:36,400
I should mention that if you google hot eggs, that's

515
00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:39,079
kind of a catchphrase we have around Ryinlander. If you

516
00:29:39,079 --> 00:29:41,039
don't know what a hod egg is, just google it.

517
00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:46,799
You'll find hundreds, maybe thousands of depictions. And historically speaking,

518
00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:50,160
Jeane Shepherd had captured a black hot egg and said

519
00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:53,599
that hodeggs could take on the coloration of whatever the

520
00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:57,799
oxen that had been the reincarnated spirit from, so they

521
00:29:57,839 --> 00:30:01,200
could be brown or whatever color and ox can be.

522
00:30:01,839 --> 00:30:06,240
But more often today in modern times, they are depicted

523
00:30:06,279 --> 00:30:10,160
as being green, and everybody wants to know why how

524
00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:12,400
did hode eggs become green? Why do we see more

525
00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:15,519
green hot eggs than you know historically black or round

526
00:30:15,519 --> 00:30:19,000
hold eggs, And there's a reason for that. So Geene

527
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:21,920
Shepherd was living in Rhyinelander and he passed away in

528
00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:25,880
nineteen twenty three, but before he did, around nineteen eighteen,

529
00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:30,079
the Rhinelander High School didn't have a mascot at the time,

530
00:30:30,519 --> 00:30:34,079
and hodeggs were becoming more and more popular within the community,

531
00:30:34,519 --> 00:30:38,279
and they decided to start an annual yearbook like often

532
00:30:38,359 --> 00:30:41,720
high schools do, and they named their high school yearbook

533
00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:45,200
the Hot Egg. So the very first issue of the

534
00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:49,160
Hodegg nineteen eighteen. Before that, they were just known as

535
00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:51,519
the Rhinelander High School, so you could read about the

536
00:30:51,599 --> 00:30:53,559
Rhinelander sports teams. It would be like, the rhye Lander

537
00:30:53,599 --> 00:30:55,680
football team does this and this and that. There was

538
00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:58,839
no mascot attached to the school, but the school colors

539
00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:02,880
were green and white, and so when they adopted the

540
00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:06,720
hot egg as part of the school's mascot, they changed

541
00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:10,119
the hot egg to being green instead of changing the

542
00:31:10,119 --> 00:31:12,599
school colors to being black or brown or whatever the

543
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:16,480
color the hot egg was. And over time sports writers

544
00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:20,960
would start referring to Rhyinelander as the Hot Eggs, the

545
00:31:21,039 --> 00:31:23,400
Rhinelander hode Eggs, the rye Lander Hodegg football team, the

546
00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:25,920
rye Lander Hoseegg baseball team, and on and on. So

547
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:28,839
it was sometime in the nineteen thirties when the high

548
00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:33,119
school officially adopted hot eggs as its mascot, And then

549
00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:35,960
I should mention something else that, to my knowledge, in

550
00:31:36,079 --> 00:31:41,359
modern history, hot eggs are among the oldest creatures encryptids

551
00:31:41,359 --> 00:31:44,680
in North America. I think it was the Jersey devil

552
00:31:44,759 --> 00:31:47,400
that was discovered in the sixteen hundreds at some point,

553
00:31:48,039 --> 00:31:54,440
but hold eggs within storytelling and American folklore appear very

554
00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:58,480
early on, long before Bigfoot, long before dog Man, long

555
00:31:58,519 --> 00:32:03,400
before you know, all of these creatures that we see

556
00:32:03,519 --> 00:32:06,759
in the cryptid realm. And I think you'd ask me

557
00:32:06,799 --> 00:32:09,119
a little bit about, if you know, if I consider

558
00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:12,960
other cryptids. I am a historian first and foremost, and

559
00:32:13,119 --> 00:32:15,279
I cover a lot of topics. Hot eggs are just

560
00:32:15,319 --> 00:32:18,039
something that I really enjoy and I'm really passionate about

561
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:21,759
learning about the history and sharing it with people. But

562
00:32:21,839 --> 00:32:24,319
I've only really gotten involved in the cryptid world so

563
00:32:24,359 --> 00:32:27,359
far as hod eggs are concerned. Because when you talk

564
00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:32,160
about hot eggs, people that love cryptids roll it into

565
00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:38,240
this this cryptid world, and it's really awesome to see that, actually,

566
00:32:38,279 --> 00:32:40,200
to see hode eggs, you know, take on a new

567
00:32:40,279 --> 00:32:44,119
life in a new demographic of people that love stories,

568
00:32:44,319 --> 00:32:51,160
love monsters, love unfounded or strange phenomena, and it just

569
00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:53,519
kind of hod eggs are just par for the course.

570
00:32:53,559 --> 00:32:58,319
Speaker 2: Really, again, I had I didn't know anywhere near as

571
00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:01,359
much as I thought on you hod eggs. Until you've come.

572
00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:03,079
I thought I knew it everything there was to know.

573
00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:06,400
But thank you, Kerry, because I didn't know anywhere near

574
00:33:07,559 --> 00:33:10,000
enough of the stories I should have, Lee Warner three

575
00:33:10,119 --> 00:33:13,039
six three three, says Paul Bunyon is real. I ateed

576
00:33:13,039 --> 00:33:16,279
his restaurant in Wisconsin, Dell's. Funnily enough, That's where I

577
00:33:16,319 --> 00:33:20,720
originally found Linda Godfrey's Weird Wisconsin book in the tourist trap,

578
00:33:20,839 --> 00:33:22,880
you know, bookshop in there, and I bought it when

579
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:25,920
I was eating pancakes and reading that book probably is

580
00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:27,839
the reason I even do Talking Weird now and launched

581
00:33:27,839 --> 00:33:31,000
my festival Midwest Weird. First it was reading Linda Godfrey's book,

582
00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:33,799
which I believe the hodagg is in, which let me

583
00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:36,720
realize how dang weird this state was, and all kinds

584
00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:39,599
of things started percolating in my mind. So thank you

585
00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:41,920
for bringing that up, Lee, I appreciate it. I do

586
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:45,319
have a couple of questions for you, Kerry, from various

587
00:33:45,319 --> 00:33:52,000
people in the chat. We have Dave Daggett eight one

588
00:33:52,119 --> 00:33:56,079
six' two, asks how is the white bulldog tied into

589
00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:56,759
the ho dag.

590
00:33:56,880 --> 00:34:00,359
Speaker 3: Law that's a great. Question whenever we start talking about

591
00:34:00,359 --> 00:34:04,000
hood eggs or you learn about hot, eggs inevitably white

592
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:06,880
bulldogs are brought into the. Conversation they're they're a part

593
00:34:07,039 --> 00:34:10,960
of the hot egg. Culture and that goes back to

594
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:14,559
the legends That jane would tell to people about hot.

595
00:34:14,559 --> 00:34:19,159
Eggs you, Know gene didn't ever really let on that

596
00:34:19,199 --> 00:34:22,960
hot eggs were a hoax or a. Prank he always

597
00:34:23,559 --> 00:34:26,800
talked about hot eggs as real as being real to

598
00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:30,599
his dying. Days and part of those, legends which are

599
00:34:30,679 --> 00:34:34,840
deep and, wide are about hold eggs roaming the countryside

600
00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:37,840
and eating up all of these farm animals and you,

601
00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:42,280
know riaking havoc across the farming community within The northwoods Of,

602
00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:46,960
wisconsin you, know devouring cows and farm, dogs and you,

603
00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:49,679
know beware your children being outside after dark and that

604
00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:52,440
sort of. Thing but where the white bulldog really comes

605
00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:55,280
into play was After jeene had captured a hot egg

606
00:34:55,679 --> 00:34:57,719
and put it on display at the county. Fair he

607
00:34:57,800 --> 00:35:00,800
then after that kept that hot egg at his home In,

608
00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:05,360
rhinelander first downtown On Pelham street In, rhinelander and then

609
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:07,920
later add an estate called The pines on the edge of,

610
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:11,320
town and people would come out to his house and

611
00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:13,559
people would want to see the hod egg that he

612
00:35:13,639 --> 00:35:17,239
kept there on, display and he would escape into the

613
00:35:18,119 --> 00:35:20,159
barn where he kept his hot egg and there would

614
00:35:20,159 --> 00:35:24,360
be a big kerfuffle and you, know snarling noises and

615
00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:26,599
things like, that and a few minutes, Later jean would

616
00:35:26,599 --> 00:35:28,880
come out of the barn and all tattered clothes and, say,

617
00:35:29,079 --> 00:35:30,920
Well i'm so, sorry. Folks the home egg is in

618
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:33,760
a terrible disposition today you can't. See it's much too

619
00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:36,840
dangerous for you to. Encounter and that was well enough

620
00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:40,000
for people to believe. It but part of those stories

621
00:35:40,119 --> 00:35:43,840
was that he fed white bulldogs the hot, egg what

622
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:48,679
became The hodegg's favorite meal On sundays throughout its captivity

623
00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:51,519
at The shepherd residence at The pines here In. Rhinelander

624
00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:56,480
so since those stories were, told everybody believes, that you,

625
00:35:56,519 --> 00:35:59,960
Know hodegg's favorite dishes is white bulldogs and white bulldog

626
00:36:00,079 --> 00:36:00,840
that come To ryan.

627
00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:05,480
Speaker 2: Later, BEWARE i know that when my FRIEND i mentioned

628
00:36:05,519 --> 00:36:08,320
Before rich tells the story about the hodag to, People

629
00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:10,440
i've heard him say the number of times he always

630
00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:12,639
makes the point about the white. Bulldog they eat white.

631
00:36:12,639 --> 00:36:14,840
Bulldogs Like he's, like, yeah they like to eat white.

632
00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:18,800
Bulldogs so it's clearly become a big part of the.

633
00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:22,519
Mythology we have another question from my good Friend Horace,

634
00:36:22,559 --> 00:36:25,079
smith he, asks didn't The hodagg make it into some

635
00:36:25,119 --> 00:36:28,679
of the writings Of August, derleth founder of The Arkham House,

636
00:36:28,679 --> 00:36:32,760
Books And, derleth as, course or before he became associated With,

637
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:36,639
lovecraft was probably best known for writing About. Wisconsin and

638
00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:38,440
SO i don't. Know that's a good. QUESTION i THOUGHT

639
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:40,239
i knew a bit About. DERLETH i don't Know, horace

640
00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:42,440
but Hopefully kerry does.

641
00:36:42,519 --> 00:36:46,199
Speaker 3: Know i'm of course familiar with Augu. Derla then you

642
00:36:46,199 --> 00:36:49,599
know him being a prominent writer In wisconsin. HISTORY i

643
00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:52,360
can't Say i've ever come across any writings from him

644
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:56,320
about hold, eggs but it wouldn't surprise. Me as much

645
00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:58,880
As i've learned about hold, eggs And i've spent considerable

646
00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:02,519
time researching all Of Ryan lander In wisconsin's home egg

647
00:37:02,599 --> 00:37:06,599
legends and law and history and, heritage it never surprises

648
00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:09,480
me to learn one more thing about it that's been

649
00:37:09,559 --> 00:37:12,880
hidden in. History and it won't surprise me if that's the.

650
00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:18,880
Speaker 2: Case the weirdest thing of all is, TODAY i, literally

651
00:37:19,559 --> 00:37:21,360
and this just sounds, silly but it's kind of. RELATED

652
00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:25,440
i love synchronousies and. Coincidences TODAY i literally message to

653
00:37:25,559 --> 00:37:28,599
seller on abe books or a books how you pronounced

654
00:37:28,639 --> 00:37:32,440
it about An August derleth book from nineteen forty four

655
00:37:32,599 --> 00:37:35,559
Pre Arkham, house which he edited horror, stories and it was,

656
00:37:35,599 --> 00:37:37,199
LIKE i don't know WHAT i can't even remember what was,

657
00:37:37,199 --> 00:37:39,119
called BUT i wanted to see a photo of. It

658
00:37:39,119 --> 00:37:40,320
they said they had. IT i just want to see

659
00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:41,880
what condition it, was BECAUSE i was about to buy

660
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:43,800
it for myself for my, birthday AND i probably. Am

661
00:37:44,079 --> 00:37:45,960
so it's super. Weird we got an always der with

662
00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:49,079
question today When i've been communicating with a second hand.

663
00:37:49,079 --> 00:37:52,119
Speaker 3: Bookstore if you're happy to come across any hold eggs

664
00:37:52,159 --> 00:37:53,840
in those, writings you let me.

665
00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:56,199
Speaker 2: Know i've got a bunch of Der with on my. Shelf,

666
00:37:56,239 --> 00:37:58,679
actually he was so, PROLIFIC i, mean horror might be,

667
00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:00,559
right he might be in this some. Way who the one.

668
00:38:00,599 --> 00:38:04,239
KNOWS i, mean he wrote so, many so many, books

669
00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:05,320
SO i.

670
00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:06,679
Speaker 3: Got to mention some of. That it popped into my

671
00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:10,760
head that that's important in the hod egg. Lore When gene,

672
00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:14,239
was you, know perpetrating this real hot egg at his

673
00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:18,719
house and at the county, fair it got so, serious you,

674
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:21,159
know and he did it to such a degree and

675
00:38:21,199 --> 00:38:26,039
so well that people around the country were genuinely curious about,

676
00:38:26,079 --> 00:38:30,480
this and at one point in, time The Smithsonian museum In,

677
00:38:30,639 --> 00:38:34,639
washington d. C was going to dispatch a scientific team

678
00:38:34,679 --> 00:38:37,760
to come up and take a survey of this newly discovered.

679
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:40,199
Creature and that was one of the things that Prompted

680
00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:43,760
gene to, say, well you, know before you come up

681
00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:46,079
here and get me into hot, water you, know Maybe

682
00:38:46,119 --> 00:38:48,320
i'll tell you a little bit more about. It but

683
00:38:48,679 --> 00:38:53,199
it just kind of goes to show the utmost seriousness

684
00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:56,840
That gene showcased hot eggs in the earliest days of its.

685
00:38:56,880 --> 00:39:02,679
Speaker 2: History do you think if it hadn't been For jean

686
00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:05,280
Ship but we'd be as cognizant of the hoe dagg

687
00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:07,119
or would it just to fade it had been another

688
00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:10,000
agripelta or hide behind or hoop snake or.

689
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:15,480
Speaker 3: Something it is one hundred percent To Geene, shepherd and

690
00:39:15,679 --> 00:39:18,639
not just because he talked about, it because he was

691
00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:24,280
a natural. Storyteller he was, exciting he was, entertaining and

692
00:39:25,079 --> 00:39:27,840
he believed in, it you, know if not again the

693
00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:31,400
flesh and blood, creature he believed in. This AND i

694
00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:36,440
think in the late eighteen hundreds early nineteen, hundreds The

695
00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:42,719
wisconsin timber country was thought to be, inexhaustible and people

696
00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:44,119
said that they were going to be cutting down the

697
00:39:44,159 --> 00:39:46,559
trees for. Eternity they would never cut all the trees,

698
00:39:46,599 --> 00:39:49,000
Down and in a matter of fifty, years guys with

699
00:39:49,079 --> 00:39:52,119
crosscut saws and axes cut ninety nine point eight percent

700
00:39:52,159 --> 00:39:55,760
of all the old growth pinery in Northern wisconsin down clearcut.

701
00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:59,639
It and long before that took, PLACE i Think Jean,

702
00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:02,480
sheperd doing the work that he did as a surveyor

703
00:40:02,519 --> 00:40:05,599
and a land, cruiser saw the writing on the wall

704
00:40:05,639 --> 00:40:08,840
there and he knew that the next generation of people

705
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:10,440
that were going to live in The, northwoods we're going

706
00:40:10,519 --> 00:40:16,119
to rely heavily on. Tourism and he used his storytelling

707
00:40:16,159 --> 00:40:19,639
ability to shape these stories and legends to attract and

708
00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:22,280
draw people to the North. Woods there's a couple famous

709
00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:26,000
quotes From Jean i'll paraphrase, basically if you hear about

710
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:28,400
The hodegg and you're intrigued and you want to come

711
00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:30,840
up to The northwoods and explore it and learn more

712
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:34,119
about hold, eggs do. That but once you get up,

713
00:40:34,159 --> 00:40:37,320
here you fall in love with the beauty of the.

714
00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:41,719
Countryside it is really truly a magical. Place The northwoods

715
00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:45,239
Of wisconsin like people go to the, ocean like people

716
00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:47,559
go to the, mountains like people go to the. Desert

717
00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:51,559
people also go to the North, woods and you just

718
00:40:51,639 --> 00:40:54,480
have to experience. It it really is an awesome, place

719
00:40:54,679 --> 00:40:57,960
And hodeggs are just a part of. That that draw

720
00:40:58,159 --> 00:40:59,679
to Northern wisconsin.

721
00:40:59,840 --> 00:41:02,360
Speaker 2: Is gorgeous part of the. World we had just to

722
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:06,639
comment here from Hodegg STORE. Tv SO i guess it's

723
00:41:06,679 --> 00:41:08,960
the hod Egg. Store i'm sure they're friends of. YOURS

724
00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:10,440
i THINK i know who it. IS i saw a

725
00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:13,320
hodeg and The hodegg saw. Me that's the man Carry.

726
00:41:13,679 --> 00:41:16,880
Speaker 3: Okay so something we haven't really talked, about you, know

727
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:19,400
Hod eggs have Been we have talked about the pop

728
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:22,880
culture part Of. Hodeggs in more recent. HISTORY i want

729
00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:25,400
to say Hod eggs have become even more prominent in

730
00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:28,519
pop culture in the last twenty years thirty years or

731
00:41:28,559 --> 00:41:30,920
so in ways that they never have been. Before AND

732
00:41:31,559 --> 00:41:33,840
i think that's in large part due to The. Internet

733
00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:39,440
but one thing That i've been involved in was is

734
00:41:39,519 --> 00:41:44,880
making kind of meme videos and parody videos with my

735
00:41:45,119 --> 00:41:48,079
very good Friend Ben, burnell who owns the hot Egg

736
00:41:48,079 --> 00:41:51,199
store dedicated Hod egg's souvenir. SHOP i think he's got

737
00:41:51,199 --> 00:41:54,320
like three hundred and fifty seven and Counting Hot egg

738
00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:57,000
items in his shop that's been at The Hot Egg STORE.

739
00:41:57,079 --> 00:42:02,000
Tv and we put together maybe four five, videos parody

740
00:42:02,079 --> 00:42:05,559
videos like Hold Egg hunters based on The ghostbusters. Video

741
00:42:06,639 --> 00:42:11,440
When Joe exotic The Tiger king was really popular DURING,

742
00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:16,440
covid we did a parody video OF I Saw tiger

743
00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:19,119
and turned it INTO I saw Hod. Egg so that's

744
00:42:19,159 --> 00:42:22,760
what he's talking about, there the famous LINE i saw

745
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:25,119
a tiger and the tiger saw. Man so if you

746
00:42:25,199 --> 00:42:27,800
want to go have some fun with, that you, know

747
00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:30,880
it's just one more way that Hod eggs have manifested

748
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:35,559
in more recent pop culture and showcases how much fun

749
00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:38,719
we've had with, it just as people that live here In.

750
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:40,639
Ryelander it's so.

751
00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:44,920
Speaker 2: Fantastic we had a question From Bob, anteion who's a

752
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:48,000
very good friend of. Mine he's a very talented. Musician

753
00:42:48,119 --> 00:42:51,119
he has an incredible band Called Tinkham road with some

754
00:42:51,159 --> 00:42:54,960
of their music appears in my upcoming feature. Documentary and

755
00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:57,800
he's also the person who showed me Around Mario island

756
00:42:57,880 --> 00:43:00,400
WHEN i went out there to film for the. Documentary great,

757
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:04,119
Guy he asks, You kerry do you know any hod

758
00:43:04,119 --> 00:43:06,559
egg songs or POEMS i could? Learn because he plays

759
00:43:06,599 --> 00:43:09,199
a lot of he plays just to contextualize, it he

760
00:43:09,199 --> 00:43:12,440
plays an awful lot of. Lumberjack he's, on he's on

761
00:43:13,119 --> 00:43:15,199
he's on The west, coast though he's in a kind

762
00:43:15,199 --> 00:43:19,079
of the the this this well probably Above, seattle but

763
00:43:19,119 --> 00:43:21,920
The seattle. Area so he plays tales from the lumber

764
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:24,760
camps out. There his family had a long history and

765
00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:28,039
being part of that tradition in the, area which is

766
00:43:28,079 --> 00:43:30,360
the Real Twin. Peaks so are there any hod egg

767
00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:32,079
songs or poems That bob could?

768
00:43:32,119 --> 00:43:36,719
Speaker 3: Learn there are poems lumberjack. Poems there's a couple of

769
00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:44,400
books won By Luke Kearny Jeen shepherd's friend Called The Hold.

770
00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:46,960
Egg you could find this available, online which is full

771
00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:51,360
of stories and poems about hold. Eggs jean's widow had

772
00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:55,760
written a compilation of his, genes stories and legends into

773
00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:58,400
a book Called Paul bunny In His Camp His wife In.

774
00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:01,519
Camp and both of those books have different hot egg.

775
00:44:01,559 --> 00:44:06,760
Poems AND i haven't seen any documented shanty, songs is

776
00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:11,000
what we would call, them these lumberjack camp tunes about hode.

777
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:13,960
Eggs BUT i got to believe that there were. Some

778
00:44:14,199 --> 00:44:17,239
not every one of those songs made it onto. Paper

779
00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:21,719
but since he's out, WEST i should mention that a

780
00:44:21,719 --> 00:44:24,239
lot of the tall tales and a lot of the

781
00:44:24,320 --> 00:44:27,599
stories and folklore from the lunger lumber camps Of wisconsin

782
00:44:28,039 --> 00:44:31,199
that came here and developed over time as they moved

783
00:44:31,239 --> 00:44:33,679
across the pinery From maine In New york And michigan

784
00:44:33,719 --> 00:44:36,760
and Into minnesota moved. West you, know after they cut

785
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:39,159
down all the pine trees in Northern, wisconsin a lot

786
00:44:39,159 --> 00:44:41,679
of these lumberjacks and a lot of these lumber barons

787
00:44:41,679 --> 00:44:44,880
and logging companies moved to The pacific northwest and cut

788
00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:48,039
down trees all the way. There and so you'll find

789
00:44:48,079 --> 00:44:51,840
hodeggs popping up in obscure places like In montana And.

790
00:44:52,079 --> 00:44:55,760
Washington and you, know hod eggs do show up in

791
00:44:55,840 --> 00:45:00,159
other places even after it arrived and those people left Wiscon.

792
00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:04,159
Speaker 2: Wow bob says he's going to write a song about

793
00:45:04,159 --> 00:45:04,480
the hote.

794
00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:07,800
Speaker 3: Egg and there contemporary songs about hold. Eggs you, know

795
00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:10,480
if you just punch hod egg into the old YouTube search,

796
00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:14,960
bar you'll find all kinds of fun songs about hold.

797
00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:17,840
Speaker 2: Eggs there you Go. Bobby you should listen to some of.

798
00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:19,599
Those the good thing About bob when he does, one

799
00:45:19,639 --> 00:45:22,679
it will sound like as origins were back in, then you,

800
00:45:22,719 --> 00:45:27,039
know the late you, know or early nineteenth to mid nineteenth,

801
00:45:27,039 --> 00:45:29,079
century whenever people were logging so. Much when when did

802
00:45:29,079 --> 00:45:31,440
the logging thing kind of the culture kind of AND

803
00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:34,320
i guess probably late nineteenth early twentieth. Century i'm guessing

804
00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:36,960
it probably was still pounding hard.

805
00:45:36,719 --> 00:45:39,239
Speaker 3: Well here in Northern. Wisconsin there was a couple different

806
00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:43,440
iterations of logging that took. Place in the earliest, days

807
00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:46,079
there were no roads or railroads by which to move

808
00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:51,440
the product the logs to, sawmills and westward expansion was

809
00:45:51,480 --> 00:45:55,239
happening at an extremely fast rate west of The, Mississippi

810
00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:57,440
and of course we had all of the lumber up

811
00:45:57,519 --> 00:46:01,480
here in the north, woods and that was sought in

812
00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:05,320
to lumber and sent down The wisconsin And mississippi rivers

813
00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:09,719
to build towns Like, Chicago Saint, Louis Kansas. City but

814
00:46:10,599 --> 00:46:14,239
originally those logs were floated on the. Waterways but then

815
00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:17,440
after they were able to get railroads and some some

816
00:46:17,519 --> 00:46:20,559
better roads into the timber, country they went back through

817
00:46:20,599 --> 00:46:25,679
and started to harvest. Hardwood timber for furniture making and,

818
00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:28,840
flooring and then after they cut all those trees, down

819
00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:31,679
they went back in for a third iteration of logging

820
00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:36,239
and started cutting down softwood trees for pulpwood for paper.

821
00:46:36,280 --> 00:46:40,400
Making so you can go through the logging industry history In,

822
00:46:40,599 --> 00:46:45,159
wisconsin and it starts with, timber you, know for framing

823
00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:48,559
for building, homes for building buildings for building houses and

824
00:46:48,599 --> 00:46:51,000
that sort of, thing and then moves into flooring and,

825
00:46:51,039 --> 00:46:54,679
furniture and then moves into paper. Milling so you can

826
00:46:54,679 --> 00:46:56,880
find all of those types of things here In. Rhinelander

827
00:46:56,960 --> 00:47:00,519
we had eight sawmills that operated seven days, week twenty

828
00:47:00,519 --> 00:47:02,320
four hours a, day three hundred and sixty five days

829
00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:05,000
a year for forty fifty. Years and then there was

830
00:47:05,079 --> 00:47:08,519
hardwood flooring planing, mills and then a paper mill was,

831
00:47:08,519 --> 00:47:10,559
developed which still is an operation to this.

832
00:47:10,679 --> 00:47:14,559
Speaker 2: Day there's still paper mills not that far from me as,

833
00:47:14,559 --> 00:47:17,320
well Like warsaw still has in The warsaw, area there's

834
00:47:17,320 --> 00:47:17,840
still a paper.

835
00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:20,599
Speaker 3: Mill, yeah there were a lot of different paper mills

836
00:47:20,599 --> 00:47:23,800
across the state Of, wisconsin particularly on rivers and. WATERWAYS

837
00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:27,599
a lot of them have folded up in recent. YEARS

838
00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:32,199
i think if you make specialized paper or have like

839
00:47:32,239 --> 00:47:36,440
a niche paper product like Our rhinelander paper mill, does

840
00:47:37,199 --> 00:47:40,159
you're more likely to survive into the. Future but certainly

841
00:47:40,159 --> 00:47:42,559
it was a huge industry at one. Time it is

842
00:47:42,639 --> 00:47:46,360
still a big industry In, wisconsin but maybe more specialized

843
00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:46,840
than it once.

844
00:47:47,039 --> 00:47:52,480
Speaker 2: Was we have another fantastic question from, horrors and that

845
00:47:52,639 --> 00:47:55,360
is did the time of real paeril from wolves and

846
00:47:55,440 --> 00:47:59,760
bears maybe? Pass or did it happen to pass before

847
00:47:59,800 --> 00:48:02,519
the mythic Ko? Dag and that could it could be? Taken,

848
00:48:02,760 --> 00:48:05,880
Sorry i'm probably misread. That i'll start. Again did the

849
00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:08,519
time of real peril from wolves and bears have to

850
00:48:08,599 --> 00:48:11,639
pass before the mythic Ko dag could be? Taken To rhyanlander's?

851
00:48:11,719 --> 00:48:14,440
Hearts like when there was something that was truly scary

852
00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:16,519
in the woods that could kill you and it was

853
00:48:16,559 --> 00:48:18,519
a ho dag not a thing, then or maybe it

854
00:48:18,559 --> 00:48:20,159
was a simultaneous. THING i don't.

855
00:48:20,199 --> 00:48:23,639
Speaker 3: Know that was really right in the mix, there AND

856
00:48:23,840 --> 00:48:27,199
i think that's what caused it to be so viral

857
00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:31,239
in the in the. Time, again you, know nowadays we

858
00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:34,960
think about the forest as something of, beauty something we.

859
00:48:35,079 --> 00:48:37,920
Enjoy the tree left. Standing we like to say at

860
00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:41,079
Our logging. Museum we have a high value for. That

861
00:48:41,719 --> 00:48:44,719
but back in the eighteen, hundreds, uh it really was

862
00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:49,239
the wilderness and the woods was a, dark, dangerous, scary

863
00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:52,880
foreboding place full of all types of animals that would

864
00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:57,519
eat you, alive including bears and, wolves AND i think

865
00:48:57,840 --> 00:49:03,960
developing you, know explanations for other sightings of animals in the,

866
00:49:03,960 --> 00:49:07,440
woods including hot. Eggs it just really fits in with.

867
00:49:07,519 --> 00:49:10,400
That so you, know go into the woods at your own.

868
00:49:10,519 --> 00:49:13,559
Risk you could be attacked by a, wolf by a,

869
00:49:13,599 --> 00:49:22,880
bear by a wod EGGPE i. Think and in the, law, yeah.

870
00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:26,079
Speaker 2: Sorry and in the Lower ingalls Book Little house in

871
00:49:26,079 --> 00:49:29,239
The Big, woods which my daughter, has there's a story in,

872
00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:31,599
there and that's when they're In, wisconsin before they go further.

873
00:49:31,639 --> 00:49:34,960
West there's a story in there for her grandfather being

874
00:49:35,039 --> 00:49:37,119
chased by a black panther by a black cat in

875
00:49:37,159 --> 00:49:40,440
the woods Of wisconsin back in THE i guess. Whenever

876
00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:43,239
that would have been mid nineteenth century or. SOMETHING i, guess, so.

877
00:49:43,639 --> 00:49:46,000
Speaker 3: YEAH i mean fifteen thousand years, ago the North woods

878
00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:48,119
Of wisconsin was covered in a mile thick sheet of,

879
00:49:48,119 --> 00:49:52,159
ice and after that glacier started receding that into The Canadian,

880
00:49:52,239 --> 00:49:56,079
arctic all sorts of megafauna moved into the. Area you,

881
00:49:56,119 --> 00:49:59,440
know there's we find bones In wisconsin Of american mastodons and,

882
00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:02,519
giants slow and big bears and all types of. Creatures

883
00:50:02,599 --> 00:50:06,960
so it really isn't a stretch for some type of

884
00:50:07,320 --> 00:50:10,400
strange animals to be roaming around the. Countryside AND i

885
00:50:10,440 --> 00:50:13,800
truly believe that's was the start of a lot of

886
00:50:13,800 --> 00:50:17,079
The Native american oral history about the animals and the

887
00:50:17,079 --> 00:50:19,960
creatures that they talk, about you, know including mishipicio and

888
00:50:20,480 --> 00:50:23,079
and so do hold eggs harken back to those. STORIES

889
00:50:23,519 --> 00:50:24,119
i believe they.

890
00:50:24,119 --> 00:50:26,639
Speaker 1: Do you.

891
00:50:26,800 --> 00:50:30,840
Speaker 2: KNOW i tend to think that maybe there is a.

892
00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:33,079
Correlation and again it comes back to what you were saying.

893
00:50:33,119 --> 00:50:37,000
Before the woods remain a scary. Place like when my

894
00:50:37,519 --> 00:50:41,079
girlfriend Again, samantha was driving home from my house to

895
00:50:41,119 --> 00:50:44,760
her house just last. Weekend she saw a bear on

896
00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:47,559
the way, home two, coyotes and like a, big big

897
00:50:47,599 --> 00:50:50,480
wolf on the way. Home like there aren't many parts

898
00:50:50,519 --> 00:50:53,480
of the world you're going to drive, Home and this

899
00:50:53,639 --> 00:50:56,000
wasn't like at a crazy. Time this was like middaysh

900
00:50:56,119 --> 00:50:58,280
or something right where you would see those three.

901
00:50:58,320 --> 00:51:02,079
Speaker 3: Things, no and that's very, true AND i GUESS i

902
00:51:02,079 --> 00:51:05,440
didn't always realize. That here in the North Woods, wisconsin

903
00:51:05,519 --> 00:51:09,199
we were so surrounded by, wildlife AND i think we

904
00:51:09,400 --> 00:51:13,239
become a little bit desensitized to. IT i see white

905
00:51:13,280 --> 00:51:19,039
tail deer every, DAY i see bears. WEEKLY i see,

906
00:51:19,079 --> 00:51:21,760
wolves you, know from time to. Time BUT i spend

907
00:51:21,800 --> 00:51:23,559
a lot of time in the, forest you. Know one

908
00:51:23,559 --> 00:51:26,079
of my favorite things to do is be outside and enjoy.

909
00:51:26,599 --> 00:51:30,639
Nature AND i think you kind of just become accustomed

910
00:51:30,679 --> 00:51:33,639
to it here in The. Northwoods But i've driven across this.

911
00:51:33,639 --> 00:51:35,920
Country i've been to forty three different, states you, know

912
00:51:36,039 --> 00:51:39,000
countless national and state, parks and there are times Where

913
00:51:39,039 --> 00:51:41,480
i'll drive a thousand miles and not see a single.

914
00:51:41,599 --> 00:51:44,280
Creature and Then i'll come home And, i'll you, know

915
00:51:44,840 --> 00:51:45,719
NonStop through the.

916
00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:49,679
Speaker 2: Backyard funnily, enough it was literally yesterday my daughter AND

917
00:51:49,760 --> 00:51:52,039
i were counting off all the things we've seen on now.

918
00:51:52,119 --> 00:51:54,239
Property and there was a lot of, things you know

919
00:51:54,280 --> 00:51:57,079
WHAT i. Mean the most fun thing was last. Summer

920
00:51:57,440 --> 00:51:59,840
there WAS i mean funn not depending how you look at.

921
00:51:59,840 --> 00:52:02,639
It there was a bobcat in her treehouse.

922
00:52:04,599 --> 00:52:07,039
Speaker 3: So hard to take a little, Nap.

923
00:52:07,119 --> 00:52:09,079
Speaker 2: Yeah and it hung there for a long time UNTIL

924
00:52:09,079 --> 00:52:13,840
i went out and we saw it through the. Window

925
00:52:13,880 --> 00:52:15,800
and WHEN i went, out you, know it saw me

926
00:52:15,840 --> 00:52:17,760
and it took off and you know it never came.

927
00:52:17,800 --> 00:52:20,159
Back but, anyway let's talk a little bit about The

928
00:52:20,159 --> 00:52:22,559
Hot Egg Heritage festival which is bearing down on, us

929
00:52:22,559 --> 00:52:26,159
Which i'm looking so forward to being at this year

930
00:52:26,199 --> 00:52:30,199
After jeff's been trying to twist my arm and go

931
00:52:30,280 --> 00:52:32,840
to for. Years. Now what can people expect when they

932
00:52:32,840 --> 00:52:34,679
go to? That it sounds just. Amazing i'm looking so

933
00:52:34,760 --> 00:52:35,039
forward to.

934
00:52:35,119 --> 00:52:38,800
Speaker 3: It so one thing about Hold, eggs as far as

935
00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:42,679
Rein leander is, concerned is it's an everyday thing. Here

936
00:52:43,079 --> 00:52:46,119
people that live, here people that have lived, here people

937
00:52:46,119 --> 00:52:49,320
that graduate high school. Here we call ourselves hold. Eggs you,

938
00:52:49,320 --> 00:52:52,400
know we have this. Phrase once a hold, egg always

939
00:52:52,440 --> 00:52:55,639
a hold. Egg and so not only is it part

940
00:52:55,679 --> 00:52:58,119
of the culture and history and, heritage but you embody

941
00:52:58,199 --> 00:53:01,239
it just as an individual that spends any amount of time,

942
00:53:01,280 --> 00:53:05,000
here and we are always open to inviting people up

943
00:53:05,039 --> 00:53:09,559
here to share in that. Experience everybody can enjoy. It

944
00:53:09,920 --> 00:53:12,079
AND i cannot understate.

945
00:53:13,719 --> 00:53:13,920
Speaker 1: That.

946
00:53:14,079 --> 00:53:18,239
Speaker 3: Experience when you come To, rhinelander you will see hold eggs.

947
00:53:18,360 --> 00:53:23,480
Everywhere it is just. Ubiquitous and so having one hundred

948
00:53:23,480 --> 00:53:27,079
and thirty plus years of the storytelling and the legends

949
00:53:27,119 --> 00:53:30,039
and the history of hode, EGGS i might mention real

950
00:53:30,119 --> 00:53:33,320
quick that hode eggs are not one specific. Animal there

951
00:53:33,360 --> 00:53:35,800
wasn't just one hot. Egg there are a species of

952
00:53:35,880 --> 00:53:39,880
creature bovine spiritualis is What gene called. Them so you'll

953
00:53:39,880 --> 00:53:42,239
see different depictions of hode eggs all over the. Place

954
00:53:42,719 --> 00:53:46,639
and Hodegg Heritage festival coming Up may, sixteenth held At

955
00:53:46,639 --> 00:53:51,239
Pioneer park here In, Rhinelander, wisconsin is just an extension

956
00:53:51,280 --> 00:53:54,679
of all that history and a celebration of the heritage

957
00:53:54,719 --> 00:53:59,000
and the very real cultural fabric of The rhinelander community

958
00:53:59,320 --> 00:54:03,119
and Of wisconsin as a. Whole so when you come

959
00:54:03,119 --> 00:54:06,760
to the, festival it's held at this beautiful little park

960
00:54:07,199 --> 00:54:09,960
that is full of towering red and white pine trees

961
00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:12,840
along The Pelican, river which is a tributary of The Wisconsin,

962
00:54:12,920 --> 00:54:15,800
river just a couple blocks. Away you enter the park

963
00:54:15,840 --> 00:54:19,360
into this little roadway that comes through this cathedral of pine,

964
00:54:19,400 --> 00:54:23,679
trees and inside the park is you, know some pavilions

965
00:54:23,679 --> 00:54:27,039
and some, grass some green spaces and a, playground but

966
00:54:27,199 --> 00:54:30,360
also Features Pioneer Park Historical complex Where i'm the director

967
00:54:30,360 --> 00:54:33,239
and curator during the summer. Months and again that features

968
00:54:33,239 --> 00:54:35,760
the oldest logging museum in the, nation complete with a

969
00:54:36,760 --> 00:54:40,000
real lumberjack bunk, house so now you can come in

970
00:54:40,039 --> 00:54:43,679
and see what it was like for lumberjacks living in

971
00:54:43,719 --> 00:54:47,519
the eighteen. Hundreds and then you, know everywhere you, go there's,

972
00:54:47,920 --> 00:54:53,000
vendors there's, food there's all types of hot egg. Fun

973
00:54:53,079 --> 00:54:55,719
we have A hotegg calling. Contest we have A hotegg

974
00:54:55,880 --> 00:54:58,800
on display that we pull out and show to. Everybody

975
00:54:59,639 --> 00:55:02,719
we have of this new thing that last year we

976
00:55:02,760 --> 00:55:05,480
started The Hot Egg, quest which is like an interactive

977
00:55:06,320 --> 00:55:09,440
park wide scavenger hunt that you go, on and we

978
00:55:09,599 --> 00:55:12,440
really ramped it up this year And Ben burnella AND

979
00:55:12,440 --> 00:55:15,079
i are organizing. That we're really excited to get people

980
00:55:15,119 --> 00:55:15,960
to go on The Hot Egg.

981
00:55:16,039 --> 00:55:20,079
Speaker 2: Quest my daughter loved, that by the, way she's totally

982
00:55:20,079 --> 00:55:20,760
in the scavenge.

983
00:55:20,840 --> 00:55:23,800
Speaker 3: Hunts, yeah she'll have A you guys will have a.

984
00:55:23,840 --> 00:55:26,480
Blast you could do it together and it's a lot of.

985
00:55:26,519 --> 00:55:29,440
Fun but then we have speakers talking about hot A.

986
00:55:29,679 --> 00:55:32,159
History you can go on a Hot A history bus

987
00:55:32,199 --> 00:55:34,519
tour where you hop on a. Bus the bus has

988
00:55:34,519 --> 00:55:36,800
got a hot egg on, it of, course and you

989
00:55:36,920 --> 00:55:39,079
drive all over Rhyin lander and go to prominent hot

990
00:55:39,079 --> 00:55:43,360
egg sites Like Jeane shepherd's, estate places that he, lived you,

991
00:55:43,400 --> 00:55:46,559
know the old railroad station and things like. That you

992
00:55:46,599 --> 00:55:48,280
go to Hote Egg, park you get to see The

993
00:55:48,280 --> 00:55:51,320
Hotegg historical, marker so all of these. Things you, know

994
00:55:51,400 --> 00:55:53,960
you come to the, festival but then and you can

995
00:55:54,000 --> 00:55:56,360
experience hot eggs at the, festival but then you can

996
00:55:56,400 --> 00:55:59,880
also have an opportunity to get a guided tour Around

997
00:56:00,239 --> 00:56:02,400
lander to see all the Hote egg sites and it's really.

998
00:56:02,400 --> 00:56:03,679
Speaker 1: Cool. YEAH i.

999
00:56:03,719 --> 00:56:07,400
Speaker 2: Know Chad lewis is speaking there this. Year he's a

1000
00:56:07,400 --> 00:56:09,000
friend of. Mine he's been a guest on the show

1001
00:56:09,039 --> 00:56:11,639
a number of. TIMES i think he's probably this state's

1002
00:56:11,639 --> 00:56:14,519
most important author of you, know the paranormal and the

1003
00:56:14,559 --> 00:56:17,719
cryptos were logical and you know all these other kind

1004
00:56:17,760 --> 00:56:20,440
of strange. THINGS i can't wait to See chad there.

1005
00:56:20,480 --> 00:56:22,840
Speaker 3: Too chad's been a good friend of the, festival a

1006
00:56:22,880 --> 00:56:26,360
great friend to us over the, years and you're not

1007
00:56:26,400 --> 00:56:28,599
wrong about. That the other thing About Chad lewis has,

1008
00:56:28,599 --> 00:56:33,679
said he's just a genuine nice guy and he has

1009
00:56:33,719 --> 00:56:37,360
been a strong proponent of our festival and just Hot

1010
00:56:37,360 --> 00:56:39,840
egg culture in. General he's always up for sharing it

1011
00:56:39,880 --> 00:56:42,000
and we've had him as a SPEAKER i think every

1012
00:56:42,079 --> 00:56:45,360
year At Hodeg Heritage. Festival he's on the docket again this.

1013
00:56:45,440 --> 00:56:48,039
Year a couple of the other speakers that will have this. Year,

1014
00:56:48,280 --> 00:56:50,280
MYSELF i always do like a Hote egg one oh

1015
00:56:50,280 --> 00:56:53,360
one kind of, course because a lot of people that

1016
00:56:53,400 --> 00:56:55,519
live In, ryinlander you, know we've grown up with these

1017
00:56:55,519 --> 00:56:58,039
stories and these tales our whole. Lives but a lot

1018
00:56:58,119 --> 00:57:00,280
of people that come to the festival and Come ryan,

1019
00:57:00,360 --> 00:57:02,519
later they want to know the nuts and. Bolts they

1020
00:57:02,599 --> 00:57:04,760
want to know the basics of The hodegg tales and.

1021
00:57:04,800 --> 00:57:07,440
Stories and for, me that never gets old And i'd

1022
00:57:07,519 --> 00:57:09,639
love to share. IT i Tell Hot egg legends like

1023
00:57:09,679 --> 00:57:12,079
fifty thousand times this summer to people that come from

1024
00:57:12,119 --> 00:57:14,280
all over the country and over the. WORLD i just love,

1025
00:57:14,320 --> 00:57:16,679
it and so that's really important part of WHAT i

1026
00:57:16,840 --> 00:57:20,400
like to. Do but this year we have Doctor Lowell,

1027
00:57:20,440 --> 00:57:24,480
brower who is a PhD in folklore from THE uw At,

1028
00:57:24,519 --> 00:57:29,320
madison coming up to speak on cryptid and folklore, tourism

1029
00:57:29,760 --> 00:57:32,000
and we're really excited to have him that's a part

1030
00:57:32,000 --> 00:57:37,840
Of Wisconsin Historical Society's History Makers, tour And Chad, lewis you,

1031
00:57:37,880 --> 00:57:39,519
know IF i could just pitch your back to, him

1032
00:57:39,719 --> 00:57:43,320
he always has an exciting presentation for, us and this,

1033
00:57:43,440 --> 00:57:45,599
YEAR i think he's going With lumberjack lingo If i'm not.

1034
00:57:45,639 --> 00:57:51,039
Mistaken we have a dedicated, Website Hodegg Heritage festival dot,

1035
00:57:51,079 --> 00:57:54,079
com where you can find the full. Schedule of, course

1036
00:57:54,760 --> 00:57:58,599
it being Very lumberjack themed and. Oriented the day starts

1037
00:57:58,599 --> 00:58:02,280
out with a free pank cake breakfast that's hosted by

1038
00:58:02,320 --> 00:58:07,719
our LOCAL, vfw and so there's activities for, kids there's

1039
00:58:08,639 --> 00:58:12,480
home egg, storytelling there's just all kinds of hot egg

1040
00:58:12,519 --> 00:58:16,599
fun throughout the, day just, NonStop you, know from morning until.

1041
00:58:16,639 --> 00:58:18,679
Evening and it all ends with a big hot egg

1042
00:58:18,719 --> 00:58:19,760
party with live music.

1043
00:58:19,800 --> 00:58:23,360
Speaker 2: Too you, KNOW i can't. Wait we've been talking about this,

1044
00:58:23,440 --> 00:58:27,440
now my Girlfriend outdoorters and, myself we've been talking about

1045
00:58:27,480 --> 00:58:31,519
it since we finally looked down the hotel about a month,

1046
00:58:31,559 --> 00:58:33,360
ago and we're so looking forward to. It And i'm

1047
00:58:33,360 --> 00:58:35,199
going to be That i'm going to be that pancake

1048
00:58:35,239 --> 00:58:38,239
breakfast And i'm going to be just feeling my fat

1049
00:58:38,280 --> 00:58:40,159
little belly with as many of those pancakes AS i.

1050
00:58:40,239 --> 00:58:41,119
Can there's nothing like.

1051
00:58:41,199 --> 00:58:44,719
Speaker 3: More, yeah and there's speakers. HAPPENING i think we're doing

1052
00:58:44,760 --> 00:58:47,639
hot Egg trivia this year during the pancake. Breakfast so

1053
00:58:47,920 --> 00:58:50,719
there's always something going on and always something fun to.

1054
00:58:50,760 --> 00:58:53,239
Do and, then LIKE i mentioned the hot egg, quest

1055
00:58:53,320 --> 00:58:55,639
that's something you can do throughout the, Day so you

1056
00:58:55,639 --> 00:58:57,639
could start that and you could do it in an,

1057
00:58:57,639 --> 00:59:00,400
hour you could spend the whole day doing, it so

1058
00:59:00,599 --> 00:59:04,039
and then there's all types of interactive fun things going

1059
00:59:04,079 --> 00:59:07,159
on all day. LONG i think there's a gentleman that

1060
00:59:07,199 --> 00:59:13,440
lives In Ryan, Lander Jerry, schidell who does he portrays

1061
00:59:13,800 --> 00:59:17,639
You Gene shepherd h and does a phenomenal job at.

1062
00:59:17,679 --> 00:59:19,440
It he's been doing it for a lot of. Years

1063
00:59:19,480 --> 00:59:21,199
for a long time he had done kind of like

1064
00:59:21,199 --> 00:59:25,199
A Geene shepherd side show tent stage, show and this

1065
00:59:25,320 --> 00:59:29,679
year he's doing a one Man Jean shepherd. Show and

1066
00:59:29,719 --> 00:59:33,199
then on top of all of this, stuff we have

1067
00:59:33,719 --> 00:59:37,360
A lumberjack thrill show this, year SO i think they're

1068
00:59:37,360 --> 00:59:40,760
doing two or three performances throughout the day and so

1069
00:59:40,800 --> 00:59:43,679
you could sit down and you, know see some lumberjack

1070
00:59:43,719 --> 00:59:45,199
action on top of, it it's just.

1071
00:59:45,239 --> 00:59:48,320
Speaker 2: FANTASTIC i Think i've seen that gentleman doing His Gene

1072
00:59:48,320 --> 00:59:51,280
shepherd performance on one of mine of my daughter's favorite, Show,

1073
00:59:51,320 --> 00:59:53,039
boogeyman when they do the hotel.

1074
00:59:53,039 --> 00:59:57,000
Speaker 3: Episode Yeaheen jerry was, featured you, know prominently in that

1075
00:59:57,239 --> 00:59:58,920
in that. Show, yeah that's a.

1076
00:59:58,960 --> 01:00:00,920
Speaker 2: That's a great. Episode, people people who are interested to

1077
01:00:01,000 --> 01:00:02,320
go and check that. Out it's like you can fight

1078
01:00:02,400 --> 01:00:04,519
on YouTube and it's not like it's like it's like

1079
01:00:04,559 --> 01:00:07,760
some pirate. Show there are various real channels that Host

1080
01:00:07,760 --> 01:00:10,360
boogeymen on YouTube now for, free and you can watch

1081
01:00:10,400 --> 01:00:12,599
the home egg thing. There but you've already given out

1082
01:00:12,599 --> 01:00:16,440
The hodeg. Website i've certainly got that website along WITH

1083
01:00:17,239 --> 01:00:21,119
i think things which other people that our audience will

1084
01:00:21,119 --> 01:00:24,599
also be interested in that you're involved. With is there

1085
01:00:24,639 --> 01:00:26,920
anywhere else you want to point people other than The Hodegg.

1086
01:00:27,000 --> 01:00:29,679
Speaker 3: FESTIVAL i, mean if you come up to the, festival

1087
01:00:29,719 --> 01:00:32,159
certainly you can visit the. Museum but even if you

1088
01:00:32,199 --> 01:00:34,199
don't get a chance to come up to the festival this,

1089
01:00:34,320 --> 01:00:38,559
year make a plan to come up and experience hot

1090
01:00:38,639 --> 01:00:40,800
eggs and hot egg history and hot egg culture and

1091
01:00:40,840 --> 01:00:43,400
hot a heritage it will be well worth your, time

1092
01:00:43,639 --> 01:00:45,679
AND i promise you will fall in love with The

1093
01:00:45,719 --> 01:00:49,000
north was Of. Wisconsin you will have a fun. Time most,

1094
01:00:49,079 --> 01:00:52,000
importantly and if you can't come up during one of the,

1095
01:00:52,039 --> 01:00:55,480
festivals still come up to Ryan. Lander you, know get a,

1096
01:00:55,480 --> 01:00:59,000
hotel get a, resort, accommodation stand one of the beautiful.

1097
01:00:59,079 --> 01:01:01,280
Lakes we have one thousand in one and twenty nine

1098
01:01:01,360 --> 01:01:04,559
lakes In Oneida, county and we have the most beautiful

1099
01:01:04,599 --> 01:01:07,760
summers up. HERE i can smell the warm pine needles

1100
01:01:07,760 --> 01:01:11,079
already just thinking about it this. Year and you can

1101
01:01:11,320 --> 01:01:15,920
enjoy hot egg culture any time of year up here In, Rhyinlander.

1102
01:01:15,960 --> 01:01:19,519
Wisconsin so definitely make a plan to come up to

1103
01:01:19,559 --> 01:01:22,880
the festival and experience the. Legend we like to, say

1104
01:01:23,400 --> 01:01:25,039
but if you can't make it to the, festival make

1105
01:01:25,079 --> 01:01:27,239
a plan to come up and. Visit you won't go.

1106
01:01:27,320 --> 01:01:30,599
Speaker 2: WRONG i totally agree with. That such a beautiful part

1107
01:01:30,599 --> 01:01:32,599
of the. World if people come to the fest too

1108
01:01:32,679 --> 01:01:34,559
and they see me Because i'll be rocking, around or

1109
01:01:34,599 --> 01:01:36,639
we can come and say. Hello, Chata lewis will be,

1110
01:01:36,679 --> 01:01:38,960
There carrie will be. There all of us would love

1111
01:01:38,960 --> 01:01:40,920
you to come and say, hi to Have Jeff finnip

1112
01:01:40,920 --> 01:01:43,159
who's been on the show. Before we'll be. There don't

1113
01:01:43,199 --> 01:01:44,760
be shy if you, come and if you're you know

1114
01:01:44,760 --> 01:01:48,599
you're an, audience audience, member, participant family member of talking with,

1115
01:01:48,679 --> 01:01:49,840
it which is WHAT i like to. Think if you

1116
01:01:49,840 --> 01:01:52,039
will all ask please come and say hi if you

1117
01:01:52,079 --> 01:01:54,360
come to the. Fest, carrie you were just an amazing.

1118
01:01:54,400 --> 01:01:56,159
Guest it was so great having you on the. Show

1119
01:01:56,159 --> 01:01:57,360
thank you so much for joining me.

1120
01:01:57,440 --> 01:02:00,599
Speaker 3: Tonight, WELL i appreciate that's high praise after one hundred

1121
01:02:00,599 --> 01:02:04,719
and ninety, Episodes, Dean SO i think it was a great.

1122
01:02:04,840 --> 01:02:07,880
CONVERSATION i appreciate giving me the opportunity to get up

1123
01:02:07,880 --> 01:02:10,639
on My Hot egg. Soapbox AND i hope some of

1124
01:02:10,679 --> 01:02:12,840
your listeners come up to A Hot egg country this

1125
01:02:12,960 --> 01:02:14,079
year and experience.

1126
01:02:14,119 --> 01:02:17,880
Speaker 2: It thank you so, Much. Carrie and that's incidentally only

1127
01:02:18,000 --> 01:02:22,280
the episode since we've jumped to the Until radio Network

1128
01:02:22,599 --> 01:02:27,400
Talking we'd. Went, yeah there's hundreds of episodes of Talking

1129
01:02:27,400 --> 01:02:29,400
We'd all that matters is the ones that, here And

1130
01:02:29,400 --> 01:02:33,280
i'm told you were. Right i'm looking forward to talking

1131
01:02:33,320 --> 01:02:36,360
to you again very Soon, carrie which no doubt will

1132
01:02:36,400 --> 01:02:38,199
be at The Home Egg. Festival and what are the

1133
01:02:38,239 --> 01:02:40,400
dates of that Again may.

1134
01:02:40,519 --> 01:02:44,239
Speaker 3: Sixteenth it's A saturday all. Day you, know we recommend

1135
01:02:44,280 --> 01:02:46,920
coming up On, friday getting a fish fry up here

1136
01:02:46,920 --> 01:02:50,000
in the northwoods Of, wisconsin having an old fashioned settling

1137
01:02:50,039 --> 01:02:53,639
Into Hot Egg, country experiencing the Hot egg legend On,

1138
01:02:53,719 --> 01:02:56,199
saturday and you, know spend their whole weekend up here

1139
01:02:56,480 --> 01:02:56,719
in the.

1140
01:02:56,760 --> 01:03:00,800
Speaker 2: Area that's my plan and the UNTIL i talked everybody

1141
01:03:00,840 --> 01:03:04,760
else out, there which will be same weird. Time it's

1142
01:03:04,880 --> 01:03:08,719
nine Pm thursday next week and same weird, network The

1143
01:03:08,880 --> 01:03:12,440
Untold Radio. Network please keep it.

1144
01:03:12,480 --> 01:03:35,880
Speaker 3: Weird long live The Hold, egg as we, say