Speaker 1: The paranormal zifos, monsters, Mysteries that you're listening to Talking
Weird and know from a Kevin deep in the northwards
your host, Doctor Dean Bertram.
Speaker 2: Who greetings of my fellow widows and widows, Welcome to
Talking Weird on the Untold Radio Network. As always undelighted,
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essentially on Friday on every podcast platform really in the
whole universe, this world. Regardless of greetings, I'm delighted to
have you all here today. Is it warm where you
all are now? Got warm in the north Woods, real sun.
We had some crazy storms recently and then it just
warmed up. And yesterday the fog when I had to drive,
when I had to drive my daughter to her home
school group, it was phenomenal. It looked like something out
of a horror movie. It was so thick, but now
beautiful clear days here and I hope they're beautiful days
wherever you are on this planet or in this amazing country,
or maybe you're listening from somewhere else. Anyway, Greetings, thank
you for being here. I'm super excited about our guest tonight.
I love having people on from the state that I
know now call home, Wisconsin. And he's the host of
Connecting the Dots on wjf W News Watched twelve and
a north Woods Moment in History on WXPR, bringing Northwards
history to a wider audience through storytelling and research. He's
a Northwoods his story, and he's based in Ryelander, Wisconsin.
He's dedicated his life pretty much preserving and sharing the stories, folklore,
and heritage of the region. It's a fascinating region, as
you'll find out tonight. As director of the Pioneer Park
Historical Complex in Rhyinelander, he works to keep local history
accessible and engaging through exhibits, tours, and community programming. He
also serves as president of the Aneida County Fair held
at Pioneer Park, the very event where the legend of
the Hodag first captured imaginations. In Rhymelander. He is also
in the organizing committee of the annual Hodag Heritage Festival
in Rhymeland, which at Rhymelander, which is bearing down us, honest,
and we'll be talking about that tonight some and that's
celebrating more than a century of Hodag law and culture.
And in addition, my goodness, he has an amazing CV.
He serves on the Wisconsin Historical Society Board curators helping
god state what efforts to preserve and promote Wisconsin's history.
So I'm delighted to welcome to Talking Weird Carrie Blowdor.
Speaker 3: Greetings, Kerry, doctor Dean Bertram, thanks so much for having
me on the show. Looks like blowedorn, says like bladeorn.
Speaker 2: But who's counting blade on? I should have asked you before.
So it's Kerrie Bladeorn.
Speaker 3: It's a Schroder Schrader thing. I'm not sure how that
comes about. There are some Blowedorns on the other part
of the countries, on the other side of the country.
I'm not one of them. Maybe we're related. I'm not sure.
Speaker 2: See maybe if there was an actual native of Wisconsin
engine just cause my adopt at home, I would have
understood the nuances in pronunciation. I'm sure my girlfriend, Samantha Crawsey,
who's probably listening, understands.
Speaker 3: Well, Wisconsin's a friendly, easygoing place, so easily forgiven.
Speaker 2: So you've and you've always been in the part of
the state you're in now.
Speaker 3: Well, my grandmother great grandmother were born and raised in Ryan.
I was born an Air Force brat in Mine, not
North Dakota actually, and eventually made my way back to
my parents' hometown of Anago, Wisconsin, which is just about
forty five minutes south of Rhinelander. And about twenty years
ago I moved up to Rhinelander, somewhat of a homecoming
for me with my familiar heritage here, I met a
born and raised Hodegg and I've raised my family here
ever since.
Speaker 2: So from the time you were there, were you conscious
of it? And we'll get to some more of your background,
more of the Hoegg itself, but were you conscious of
the hodag very early on? Is it something which is
pretty inescapable in that rhyinlandra area when she will finally
settled there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, I've been visiting Rhinelander since I was a child,
and the hot egg has always been present. If you
visit Rhinelander, it's just part of the deal. As soon
as you come into town. It's everywhere. It's part of
the cultural fabric of the community. And just follow suit
with everything you do here.
Speaker 2: I know there's even like a sporting team. One of
my good friends Rich you might even be listening to
I who lives up that part of the world. He's
I think I've seen him in maybe like a hoedag
sports team top or something that is your high school team,
the Hodaggs. Is this something?
Speaker 3: Yeah, Our high school mascot is the hold egg I
want to say two three years ago, there was a
national competition for the best high school mascot, and hod
Eggs were voted the best high school mascot in the
nation out of twenty four thousand mascots.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 3: So it's very unique and you'll be hard pressed to
find anywhere else in the United States that loves their
monster as much as Ryan Lander, Wisconsin loves its hold Eggs.
Speaker 2: I'm going to ask you about the hodagg and you
can fill people in on it in a minute, but
maybe we'll throw out there immediately that we're only about
a month away from the hoed Egg Heritage festival. Can
you give a little bit of detail about that before
we talk about the creature itself.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we have an annual event here in Rhyinelander that
celebrates all things hot eggs. It's heritage, it's history, its culture.
It's been a cultural phenomena here in Ryelander and across
the state of Wisconsin for over one hundred and thirty years.
And it's the type of branding that and stories and
legends that companies pay millions of dollars for and we
just have it here in Rhinelander as a part of
our everyday lives and we have a lot of fun
with it, and we talk a lot about the legends
and the lore and the history and we bring it
to life during this annual event. This will be year
sixth for this annual event, but truly, every day in Ryinlander,
Wisconsin is some amount of a Hot egg Heritage Festival.
Speaker 2: Our mutual friend, actually he introduced me to you, Jeff
Finnip also known as Badgerland Legends Jeff, because he runs
the wonderful Badgeline Legends website and Facebook page. I think
he I think he has a podcast as well where
he did it at some stage he's been trying to
get me to come to Hodegg Heritage for like the
last two or three years. This year, I'm booked. I've
actually met my girlfriend, am coming with a couple of
our children. We booked hotels. We're good to go. We're
really excited about it.
Speaker 3: You're gonna come up. Yeah, I'm gonna be the hod
Egg country. That's wonderful to hear. You're sure to have
a good time. We have a lot of fun uh
hod Egg stuff going on, and a lot a full
schedule of Hodaggy exciting things happening throughout the day.
Speaker 2: Now on the on the topic of Hoteg, let's I'm
going to give you the floor for a minute. Maybe
not all our audience might know what the hodagg is.
I don't know where to start the story, but I
know you'll know where to start it. So can you
can you give us some background on the hod Egg Yeah?
Speaker 3: Absolutely. I am always surprised, firstly to be in other states,
and you know, we're in a Hot Egg Heritage Festival
shirt right now, and I have a wardrobe full of
hot Egg apparel and uh, I'll be in you know, California,
I'll be in Oregon. I'll be in Iowa, be in Indiana,
be all over the country and I'll have a hod
egg shirt on, and people will recognize that and pointed
out it's synonymous with Ryan Lander, Wisconsin. It has a
lot of recognition across the country for about fifty percent
of the people that I run into. For the other
fifty percent of the people, I'm always willing and excited
to share about this awesome monster, this creature, this cryptid
from the Midwest, and Hode history goes back maybe one
hundred and fifty or so years. It really started as
a lumberjack tall tale in the deep dark, smoky bunk
houses of the American logging industry. I'm going all the
way back to the East coast out in Maine where
logging started, and it started as this tale in the
bunk house that transferred from bunk house to bunk house
across the North American Pinery into New York, into Michigan,
and eventually into Wisconsin. And so Hodaggs had been a
part of the folklore of lumberjack history. And I always
kind of think it's interesting that the wild wild West
got a lot of attention, you know, with Louis lamore
books and dime novels, when the American logging industry is
just as romantic. And a lot of our American folklore
from its earliest days comes from the bunk houses of
the logging industry in the mid to late eighteen hundreds,
and hode eggs were just one creature that they talked about.
Storytelling really became an art form in those bunk houses,
and so it really didn't make its way out of
the oral history and tell about the eighteen eighties and
it starts to appear in newspaper articles here and there.
It pops up as just a story, a creature, an
animal that lived in the forests of the North American
pineries in the northern parts of the nation. And by
the time those stories got to the bunk houses of
the Northwoods of Wisconsin, there was a gentleman that was
from New London, Wisconsin, originally from Fort Howard which we
call Green Bay now, and he was working as a
surveyor as a young man, and he had the opportunity
to come up and survey what would become the Eagle River,
Wisconsin area and the Rhinelander, Wisconsin area, and as a
young man, spent a lot of time in logging camp
bunk houses, learning the trade of surveying land, looking the
lumberjag trade. And he really took to these tall tales
and these stories that they were telling, and he in
turn became a very good storyteller himself. And so he
had heard about legends of hoad eggs. That was one
thing that they had used to describe some of the
phenomena that they found out in the woods. And in
the mid to late eighteen hundreds in the north Woods
of Wisconsin, it really was part of the last of
the Midwest wilderness, and people across the country didn't truly
know what types of animals could be lurking about the deep,
old growth forest of the north Woods, and so it
was not a far fetched idea to imagine strange animals,
you know, held over from the ice age, living amongst
the glacial lakes of the north Woods. And Jane heard
about the hod egg, and a hoed egg is described
as a four legged, oxen like creature, oxen like horns,
tussed for teeth, razor sharp claws, covered in dark black,
shaggy fur, horns along its back. There's a great image
of one behind me here and Jeane had took those
stories out of the bunk house and started telling his
own versions of these legends. And in eighteen ninety three,
Gene Shepherd had wrote an article for a newspaper in
ryan Lander, Wisconsin, the New North Newspaper, under the title
Snake Editor, and he talked about going out into the
forest and discovering a live hod egg out in the woods.
And he took a lumberjack posse out with a large
bore squirt guns full of poisonous water, and bear wrestlers
and hounds, and they tried to capture this creature they
had discovered, and they accidentally blew it up with dynamite.
They brought its charred remains back to Rhyinlander and showed
it off to the general public. This newspaper article got
syndicated and circulated in newspapers across the country, and it
went viral, we would say, it went viral, and again
people not really knowing what was hiding in the northwoods
of Wisconsin, people took it as fact. And for quite
a while, Hodeggs were, you know, among the conversations of
the animals and creatures living up in the woods of Wisconsin.
And then an eighteen ninety five, Oneida County, where Ryan
Lander is seated, was starting its county fair and they
needed a calling card. Gene Shepherd was not only a
phenomenal storyteller and a yarn weaver, but he was very
entertaining and he could always come up with pranks and
ideas that were exciting for people. I can go into
some more detail about Gene Shepherd's pranks but in a
little while. But he then said, well, I got just
the thing. I had discovered a live hold egg out
in the woods, an active hot egg den, and I'm
going to go out and capture this creature and we'll
put it on display at the first Oneida County Fair,
which was then held in eighteen ninety six. And so
he did. He went out into the woods, he captured
a hot egg, a black hot egg, and he brought
it back. And you know, part of the lore and
the legends was based in some of American stories that
he had heard about this creature called Mishipisiu, the water
panther spirit, and those stories go back thousands of years
among Algonquin peoples and peoples around the Lake Superior region.
And then he had heard these stories of the hodegg
and the bunk houses, and those legends go back to
the spirit of a dead lumber oxen. So lumberjacks would
use oxen in the woods to remove logs from the forest,
and when a lumber oxen would die, they would burn
the body of the oxen on a funeral payer, and
if they did so for seven consecutive years, the spirit
of this animal would escape into the forest and turn
into this this creature, reincarnate into this beast that they
called a hodeg. And that's where the logging stories had developed.
And so Jane took all of that and kind of
wrapped it up into these legends, captured a live creature
and then put it on display so you could go
to the Oneidaka Fair and for a dime you could
enter this dimly lit canvas sideshow style tent and see
a real hold egg and gene perpetrated, you know, this
hod egg. And people left believing it was a real animal.
And it words spread across the nation that he had
captured this animal, this ferocious beast of ice age heritage,
and people believed it was real and it the pressure
on him got so much over the preceding months and
years that he eventually had to admit that this was
just something that he had created, and it harkened back
to those logging legends and those tall tales from the
lumber camp bunk houses. In essence, he had got together
with a friend of his, a lumberjag by the name
of Luke Lake Shore Kearney, and they had created a
real hold egg and put it on display at the
county Fair with our articulating arms covered in oxide, horns, teeth,
spikes along its back. So it ended up being, you know,
that it was a hoax, and it came out of
the dim light of the tent out into the real world. Nevertheless,
Rhinelander really clung to this story, and I think the
community at the time of Rhinelander in the nineteen hundreds
thought this was awesome. It was fun, it was exciting,
It was a calling card for the county fair, and
they adopted it as part of their community's heritage. And
one hundred and thirty years later in ryan Lander, Wisconsin,
everywhere you go in town you'll see depictions of this animal.
And you'd say, Gene Shepherd laid the foundation for this creature,
but left the door open for creativity and for people
to expound on the legends and the lore. And you
see it on the water towers, it's on our snowplows,
it's on our police cars, it's on our fire trucks.
There's a huge statue in front of the Chamber of Commerce.
The high school mascot is that there's murals and statues
of it all over town. We have museums and souvenir
shops dedicated to it. It really just never ends. And
then in more recent popular culture, hode eggs have found
their way in Harry Potter books, featured prominently in Fantastic
Beasts and Where To Find Them by JK. Rowling. It
was a Jeopardy question. It's just been all over the place.
So it's amazing to see it evolve over the years.
Despite being outed as just a prank, it has taken
on a life of its own, and it's both very
serious in Ryelander, but we also have a lot of
fun with it. We don't take it too seriously.
Speaker 2: I didn't know. I mean, I knew a bit about
the Hotdegg, but I didn't know anywhere near as much
as you just just told me and told at audience,
So I'm so grateful that you did because of its
presence there as this kind and of cultural symbol. Has
that been reflected in people actually today having encounters and
thinking that they've seen the hod egg or saying they've
seen the hod egg? Is that something that happens in
Rhineland or in the environs?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Absolutely, I mean it's certainly something people point to
as explaining phenomena that occurs. You know, if you're out
in the woods, deep in the forest and the swamps,
you know, camping alongside a glacial lake up here, and
to hear a growl in the forest, I mean, it's
got to be a hot egg. When I tell the
stories and the legends of hot eggs at the museum
that I work at during the summer Pioneer Park Historical Complex,
which features the oldest LOGGI museum in the nation, I
really try to tell it as if it was a
real animal. I really try to honor Gene Shepherd's original
legacy and sharing it as a real animal and a
real creature. So even today people that come, you know,
whether it's a flesh and blood creature is up for debate, right,
but truly the hold egg is alive and well out
in the forest of the north Woods.
Speaker 2: We had a question in regards to your point of
it being a question on Jeopardy, and it's from Lee
Warner three six three three. Did the person answer the
Jeopardy question about the hod egg correctly?
Speaker 3: You know what, I don't know if they did or not.
I'd have to look it up. It's it's like a
meme that gets shared around our community from time to time,
you know, when we talk about, you know, all the
places hod eggs pop up. But that's a great question.
I don't know if they got it correct or not.
Speaker 2: No else I made a comment that and I've seen
this that the ho egg was on a Scooby Do
episode as well.
Speaker 3: That's right, Yeah, absolutely so. It pops up in the
craziest places.
Speaker 2: I mean, anybody who's a regular listener to the show
understand I tend to suspect, I mean, anybody with any
theory about the paranormal. I mean, it's just that it's
just conjecture. But I just a theory. But I wonder
if sometimes what we expect to see we don't see.
Whatever the regardless of what the reality of the external
phenomenon or phenomena is to us. So I know I
wouldn't be at all surprised if people actually see the
hot egg there.
Speaker 3: I mean, hold eggs are as real as you want
to believe in them. I think one benefit that we
have here in Rhinelander with hot egg heritage and history
and culture is that I want to say that I
want to be sensitive and gentle about this, but we
don't have to adhere to the idea that we have
to prove it because it's already been. It's a known quantity.
So it's as real as much as you want to
have fun with it. And so if you want to
come up here and you want to see hold eggs,
you want to go exploring the north Woods of Wisconsin
and you want to you know, experience hod eggs, you're
going to do that. And you're free to do that.
And it's fun to do that, and certainly we will,
you know, cater to that, and we do it to ourselves,
we do it to each other, each other, we do
it to visitors that come to the Northwoods. It's all
part of the experience.
Speaker 2: I think that's part of the great appeal, at least
to my daughter who's ten and my girlfriend's daughter, who's
coming I think is twelve now. The potential of seeing
a hod egg when we're it, you know what I
mean that it's like going to luck Ness, you know,
it's like going to Willow Creek. It's going to one
of these places which is associated with this this creature.
And so I'm sure lots of people go in there
and they got their eye out. They're looking for that
hod egg.
Speaker 3: It doesn't matter that there are a million people on
this planet that will look you in the eye and
tell you there's no such thing as a sasquatch, there's
no such thing as a moth man, there's no such
thing as a Locknus monster. None of that matters. There's
no such thing as a hod egg. People want to
believe things, and it's as real as you want to
believe it. I have a six year old going on seven,
and of course hot eggs have been a part of
our lives and our family and in our community every day.
You know of his sure life, and he has seen
me be involved in carrying on this tradition of hot eggs,
and in his heart of hearts, he knows that, you know,
maybe the hose egg doesn't exist. As a real animal
in the forest. But he believes it. He believes it.
When we carry on the tradition of showing off a
real hod egg at Hot Egg Heritage Festival, which we do,
he's afraid of it. He believes it. He believes there's
a hot egg at the festival. He believes they're in
the forest, even though you know, he's been told the
facts of the matter. So I think, I think that's
a wonderful part of it.
Speaker 2: Really, that is a wonderful part of why, I mean,
one of the joys of raising a child. We were
talking a little bit about how blessed we were before
the show, both having children and that kind of your
your son's you know, four years younger my daughter. But
it's that you is that you get to see this
imaginal world through their eyes again. You know that you,
however jaded you might be. And I always feel sorry
for kids whose whose whose parents might be dismissive of
believing in things like I think one of the wonderful
things of being young is that maybe we actually, to
be honest, maybe they're closer to some type of deeper
truth about reality than we are. Maybe having those eyes
open to experience these things is more significant than those
of us who are older and might be more dismissive.
You know that there's something really in there.
Speaker 3: I think that sentiment cannot be undermined. When you guys
come up to the festival, you'll know, you'll know, you
know where the truth lies, and that there's a big
part of that is, you know, fun perpetrated, right, But
even you will experience hold eggs being a real thing,
and you will leave and you know, your kids and
everybody that goes to this festival and everybody that comes
to Ryelander will question it, you know, and then you
just know that if you've got a green heart, what
eggs are real?
Speaker 2: That's fantastic. We have a great question from Horace Smith.
Horrace Smith is a good friend of the show. He's
been a guest before and he's professor emeritus of astronomy
and physics at Michigan State University. And Horace asks, does
the hot egg story cause Rhyanlanders to treat bigfoot stories
more or less seriously?
Speaker 3: So when people ask me what a hold egg is,
you know, in short, I tell people it's Ryan Lander,
Wisconsin's Bigfoot. Coincidentally, there have been actual Bigfoot sightings in
the Rhinelander area as well. I would attribute it to
hold eggs being in the forest, of course, but there's
been bigfoot teams up in the area exploring the woods,
you know. I think wherever you have deep forests, there's
a possibility for you know, these cryptids to be inhabiting,
right And certainly there are thousands of acres of deep
woods and swamps and glacial lakes in the Northwoods of
Wisconsin that would you know, allow you to explore, you know,
all all aspects of that.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, I'm to the south of View, but
even where I am, and there's probably a lot more
farming country here, maybe about the same actually, But in
Linda's god Linda Godfrey's books, and I'm sure Linda Godfrey
probably was, you know, had been to Ryan Landers. Certainly,
I leave the Hodegg appears in her Weird Wisconsin book.
But in her books there are stories of dog men
and stories of bigfoot, like literally in my neighborhood. I'm
not talking about like twenty miles away. I'm talking like
down the road, you know. So I think, yeah, I
think these things can, or at least people experience weird
things almost anywhere, and certainly when you get in places
where there are forests and there are woods and there
you know, it just it makes the imagination fire up.
Or maybe maybe these are places where we have encounters
with these things. Who on Earth knows?
Speaker 3: Do you?
Speaker 2: Are you interested in other mythical beings or cryptis or whatever,
depending what your perspective, what they are that are talked
about in those old North Woods lumberjack traditions that you
were talking about before, Because I know Chad Lewis wrote
a book which for kids. Really my daughter loves that book.
But there's other books as well from the period, including
Jane Shepherd's, and there's there's a whole array of these beings.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean hold eggs were just before Jean Shepherd
brought hold Eggs out of the bunk house, you know,
into the public limelight. Lumberjacks talked about all kinds of
creatures and animals and stories and tall tales, and of
course we're all familiar with North American folklore with Paul
Bunyan and Bade the Blue Ox and these extravagant stories,
and unfortunately a lot of that has been kind of
lost to the ages. And you can dig for it,
and you can find a lot of that history and
some of the books written at the time. But for
whatever reason, hold Eggs really have captured the imagination of
the general public, at least in Wisconsin and even beyond,
and it has staying power like none of the other
lumberjack creatures that are You know that you can discover
read a boat.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I myself. I mean you can tell when you
read these stories because I have one of the old books.
I can't of remember what it's called. I got a
reprint of it, obviously not the original. And Chad includes
a lot of a lot of these creatures in some
of his books. But I can't help but wonder if
some of the stories in those books that I talked about,
as today we tend to look at as just you know,
maybe campfire tales or bunk house tales, as you was saying,
if some of them don't have some similarities to things
and phenomena which still exists. I mean, I know, I
think in Shad's book as well as in the older
one that I have, there's something called an agropelta. I
think it's called. It's like these monkeys that are in
trees and throw branches and things at people. And this
is long before people were talking about Bigfoot, right, And
you think monkeys in the north woods throwing things at people,
you know, you tend to think, gosh, that sounds an
awful lot like things which are in Bigfoot law.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, there are all kinds of creatures that
we could talk about, hoop snakes, and my daughter loves letters,
and there's bisquitos which are half be half mosquito. You know,
there's all kinds of creatures within folklore, and that's a
really important part of North American history. Of course, storytelling
goes back to ancient times, but if you look into
the folklore history of North America, you're going to really
have to dive deep into lumberjack stories. And like all
stories and like all folklore, there's grains of truth spread
throughout it. And you know, the Native American people of
the Lake Superior region believed in this Missipicio, this water
panther spirit, and if you look up depictions of that creature,
you'll see that. You know, hold eggs are maybe another
reiteration of that in a different way, and the same
thing with hodeggs carrying on these lumberjack tall tales as well.
I should mention that if you google hot eggs, that's
kind of a catchphrase we have around Ryinlander. If you
don't know what a hod egg is, just google it.
You'll find hundreds, maybe thousands of depictions. And historically speaking,
Jeane Shepherd had captured a black hot egg and said
that hodeggs could take on the coloration of whatever the
oxen that had been the reincarnated spirit from, so they
could be brown or whatever color and ox can be.
But more often today in modern times, they are depicted
as being green, and everybody wants to know why how
did hode eggs become green? Why do we see more
green hot eggs than you know historically black or round
hold eggs, And there's a reason for that. So Geene
Shepherd was living in Rhyinelander and he passed away in
nineteen twenty three, but before he did, around nineteen eighteen,
the Rhinelander High School didn't have a mascot at the time,
and hodeggs were becoming more and more popular within the community,
and they decided to start an annual yearbook like often
high schools do, and they named their high school yearbook
the Hot Egg. So the very first issue of the
Hodegg nineteen eighteen. Before that, they were just known as
the Rhinelander High School, so you could read about the
Rhinelander sports teams. It would be like, the rhye Lander
football team does this and this and that. There was
no mascot attached to the school, but the school colors
were green and white, and so when they adopted the
hot egg as part of the school's mascot, they changed
the hot egg to being green instead of changing the
school colors to being black or brown or whatever the
color the hot egg was. And over time sports writers
would start referring to Rhyinelander as the Hot Eggs, the
Rhinelander hode Eggs, the rye Lander Hodegg football team, the
rye Lander Hoseegg baseball team, and on and on. So
it was sometime in the nineteen thirties when the high
school officially adopted hot eggs as its mascot, And then
I should mention something else that, to my knowledge, in
modern history, hot eggs are among the oldest creatures encryptids
in North America. I think it was the Jersey devil
that was discovered in the sixteen hundreds at some point,
but hold eggs within storytelling and American folklore appear very
early on, long before Bigfoot, long before dog Man, long
before you know, all of these creatures that we see
in the cryptid realm. And I think you'd ask me
a little bit about, if you know, if I consider
other cryptids. I am a historian first and foremost, and
I cover a lot of topics. Hot eggs are just
something that I really enjoy and I'm really passionate about
learning about the history and sharing it with people. But
I've only really gotten involved in the cryptid world so
far as hod eggs are concerned. Because when you talk
about hot eggs, people that love cryptids roll it into
this this cryptid world, and it's really awesome to see that, actually,
to see hode eggs, you know, take on a new
life in a new demographic of people that love stories,
love monsters, love unfounded or strange phenomena, and it just
kind of hod eggs are just par for the course.
Speaker 2: Really, again, I had I didn't know anywhere near as
much as I thought on you hod eggs. Until you've come.
I thought I knew it everything there was to know.
But thank you, Kerry, because I didn't know anywhere near
enough of the stories I should have, Lee Warner three
six three three, says Paul Bunyon is real. I ateed
his restaurant in Wisconsin, Dell's. Funnily enough, That's where I
originally found Linda Godfrey's Weird Wisconsin book in the tourist trap,
you know, bookshop in there, and I bought it when
I was eating pancakes and reading that book probably is
the reason I even do Talking Weird now and launched
my festival Midwest Weird. First it was reading Linda Godfrey's book,
which I believe the hodagg is in, which let me
realize how dang weird this state was, and all kinds
of things started percolating in my mind. So thank you
for bringing that up, Lee, I appreciate it. I do
have a couple of questions for you, Kerry, from various
people in the chat. We have Dave Daggett eight one
six' two, asks how is the white bulldog tied into
the ho dag.
Speaker 3: Law that's a great. Question whenever we start talking about
hood eggs or you learn about hot, eggs inevitably white
bulldogs are brought into the. Conversation they're they're a part
of the hot egg. Culture and that goes back to
the legends That jane would tell to people about hot.
Eggs you, Know gene didn't ever really let on that
hot eggs were a hoax or a. Prank he always
talked about hot eggs as real as being real to
his dying. Days and part of those, legends which are
deep and, wide are about hold eggs roaming the countryside
and eating up all of these farm animals and you,
know riaking havoc across the farming community within The northwoods Of,
wisconsin you, know devouring cows and farm, dogs and you,
know beware your children being outside after dark and that
sort of. Thing but where the white bulldog really comes
into play was After jeene had captured a hot egg
and put it on display at the county. Fair he
then after that kept that hot egg at his home In,
rhinelander first downtown On Pelham street In, rhinelander and then
later add an estate called The pines on the edge of,
town and people would come out to his house and
people would want to see the hod egg that he
kept there on, display and he would escape into the
barn where he kept his hot egg and there would
be a big kerfuffle and you, know snarling noises and
things like, that and a few minutes, Later jean would
come out of the barn and all tattered clothes and, say,
Well i'm so, sorry. Folks the home egg is in
a terrible disposition today you can't. See it's much too
dangerous for you to. Encounter and that was well enough
for people to believe. It but part of those stories
was that he fed white bulldogs the hot, egg what
became The hodegg's favorite meal On sundays throughout its captivity
at The shepherd residence at The pines here In. Rhinelander
so since those stories were, told everybody believes, that you,
Know hodegg's favorite dishes is white bulldogs and white bulldog
that come To ryan.
Speaker 2: Later, BEWARE i know that when my FRIEND i mentioned
Before rich tells the story about the hodag to, People
i've heard him say the number of times he always
makes the point about the white. Bulldog they eat white.
Bulldogs Like he's, like, yeah they like to eat white.
Bulldogs so it's clearly become a big part of the.
Mythology we have another question from my good Friend Horace,
smith he, asks didn't The hodagg make it into some
of the writings Of August, derleth founder of The Arkham House,
Books And, derleth as, course or before he became associated With,
lovecraft was probably best known for writing About. Wisconsin and
SO i don't. Know that's a good. QUESTION i THOUGHT
i knew a bit About. DERLETH i don't Know, horace
but Hopefully kerry does.
Speaker 3: Know i'm of course familiar with Augu. Derla then you
know him being a prominent writer In wisconsin. HISTORY i
can't Say i've ever come across any writings from him
about hold, eggs but it wouldn't surprise. Me as much
As i've learned about hold, eggs And i've spent considerable
time researching all Of Ryan lander In wisconsin's home egg
legends and law and history and, heritage it never surprises
me to learn one more thing about it that's been
hidden in. History and it won't surprise me if that's the.
Speaker 2: Case the weirdest thing of all is, TODAY i, literally
and this just sounds, silly but it's kind of. RELATED
i love synchronousies and. Coincidences TODAY i literally message to
seller on abe books or a books how you pronounced
it about An August derleth book from nineteen forty four
Pre Arkham, house which he edited horror, stories and it was,
LIKE i don't know WHAT i can't even remember what was,
called BUT i wanted to see a photo of. It
they said they had. IT i just want to see
what condition it, was BECAUSE i was about to buy
it for myself for my, birthday AND i probably. Am
so it's super. Weird we got an always der with
question today When i've been communicating with a second hand.
Speaker 3: Bookstore if you're happy to come across any hold eggs
in those, writings you let me.
Speaker 2: Know i've got a bunch of Der with on my. Shelf,
actually he was so, PROLIFIC i, mean horror might be,
right he might be in this some. Way who the one.
KNOWS i, mean he wrote so, many so many, books
SO i.
Speaker 3: Got to mention some of. That it popped into my
head that that's important in the hod egg. Lore When gene,
was you, know perpetrating this real hot egg at his
house and at the county, fair it got so, serious you,
know and he did it to such a degree and
so well that people around the country were genuinely curious about,
this and at one point in, time The Smithsonian museum In,
washington d. C was going to dispatch a scientific team
to come up and take a survey of this newly discovered.
Creature and that was one of the things that Prompted
gene to, say, well you, know before you come up
here and get me into hot, water you, know Maybe
i'll tell you a little bit more about. It but
it just kind of goes to show the utmost seriousness
That gene showcased hot eggs in the earliest days of its.
Speaker 2: History do you think if it hadn't been For jean
Ship but we'd be as cognizant of the hoe dagg
or would it just to fade it had been another
agripelta or hide behind or hoop snake or.
Speaker 3: Something it is one hundred percent To Geene, shepherd and
not just because he talked about, it because he was
a natural. Storyteller he was, exciting he was, entertaining and
he believed in, it you, know if not again the
flesh and blood, creature he believed in. This AND i
think in the late eighteen hundreds early nineteen, hundreds The
wisconsin timber country was thought to be, inexhaustible and people
said that they were going to be cutting down the
trees for. Eternity they would never cut all the trees,
Down and in a matter of fifty, years guys with
crosscut saws and axes cut ninety nine point eight percent
of all the old growth pinery in Northern wisconsin down clearcut.
It and long before that took, PLACE i Think Jean,
sheperd doing the work that he did as a surveyor
and a land, cruiser saw the writing on the wall
there and he knew that the next generation of people
that were going to live in The, northwoods we're going
to rely heavily on. Tourism and he used his storytelling
ability to shape these stories and legends to attract and
draw people to the North. Woods there's a couple famous
quotes From Jean i'll paraphrase, basically if you hear about
The hodegg and you're intrigued and you want to come
up to The northwoods and explore it and learn more
about hold, eggs do. That but once you get up,
here you fall in love with the beauty of the.
Countryside it is really truly a magical. Place The northwoods
Of wisconsin like people go to the, ocean like people
go to the, mountains like people go to the. Desert
people also go to the North, woods and you just
have to experience. It it really is an awesome, place
And hodeggs are just a part of. That that draw
to Northern wisconsin.
Speaker 2: Is gorgeous part of the. World we had just to
comment here from Hodegg STORE. Tv SO i guess it's
the hod Egg. Store i'm sure they're friends of. YOURS
i THINK i know who it. IS i saw a
hodeg and The hodegg saw. Me that's the man Carry.
Speaker 3: Okay so something we haven't really talked, about you, know
Hod eggs have Been we have talked about the pop
culture part Of. Hodeggs in more recent. HISTORY i want
to say Hod eggs have become even more prominent in
pop culture in the last twenty years thirty years or
so in ways that they never have been. Before AND
i think that's in large part due to The. Internet
but one thing That i've been involved in was is
making kind of meme videos and parody videos with my
very good Friend Ben, burnell who owns the hot Egg
store dedicated Hod egg's souvenir. SHOP i think he's got
like three hundred and fifty seven and Counting Hot egg
items in his shop that's been at The Hot Egg STORE.
Tv and we put together maybe four five, videos parody
videos like Hold Egg hunters based on The ghostbusters. Video
When Joe exotic The Tiger king was really popular DURING,
covid we did a parody video OF I Saw tiger
and turned it INTO I saw Hod. Egg so that's
what he's talking about, there the famous LINE i saw
a tiger and the tiger saw. Man so if you
want to go have some fun with, that you, know
it's just one more way that Hod eggs have manifested
in more recent pop culture and showcases how much fun
we've had with, it just as people that live here In.
Ryelander it's so.
Speaker 2: Fantastic we had a question From Bob, anteion who's a
very good friend of. Mine he's a very talented. Musician
he has an incredible band Called Tinkham road with some
of their music appears in my upcoming feature. Documentary and
he's also the person who showed me Around Mario island
WHEN i went out there to film for the. Documentary great,
Guy he asks, You kerry do you know any hod
egg songs or POEMS i could? Learn because he plays
a lot of he plays just to contextualize, it he
plays an awful lot of. Lumberjack he's, on he's on
he's on The west, coast though he's in a kind
of the the this this well probably Above, seattle but
The seattle. Area so he plays tales from the lumber
camps out. There his family had a long history and
being part of that tradition in the, area which is
the Real Twin. Peaks so are there any hod egg
songs or poems That bob could?
Speaker 3: Learn there are poems lumberjack. Poems there's a couple of
books won By Luke Kearny Jeen shepherd's friend Called The Hold.
Egg you could find this available, online which is full
of stories and poems about hold. Eggs jean's widow had
written a compilation of his, genes stories and legends into
a book Called Paul bunny In His Camp His wife In.
Camp and both of those books have different hot egg.
Poems AND i haven't seen any documented shanty, songs is
what we would call, them these lumberjack camp tunes about hode.
Eggs BUT i got to believe that there were. Some
not every one of those songs made it onto. Paper
but since he's out, WEST i should mention that a
lot of the tall tales and a lot of the
stories and folklore from the lunger lumber camps Of wisconsin
that came here and developed over time as they moved
across the pinery From maine In New york And michigan
and Into minnesota moved. West you, know after they cut
down all the pine trees in Northern, wisconsin a lot
of these lumberjacks and a lot of these lumber barons
and logging companies moved to The pacific northwest and cut
down trees all the way. There and so you'll find
hodeggs popping up in obscure places like In montana And.
Washington and you, know hod eggs do show up in
other places even after it arrived and those people left Wiscon.
Speaker 2: Wow bob says he's going to write a song about
the hote.
Speaker 3: Egg and there contemporary songs about hold. Eggs you, know
if you just punch hod egg into the old YouTube search,
bar you'll find all kinds of fun songs about hold.
Speaker 2: Eggs there you Go. Bobby you should listen to some of.
Those the good thing About bob when he does, one
it will sound like as origins were back in, then you,
know the late you, know or early nineteenth to mid nineteenth,
century whenever people were logging so. Much when when did
the logging thing kind of the culture kind of AND
i guess probably late nineteenth early twentieth. Century i'm guessing
it probably was still pounding hard.
Speaker 3: Well here in Northern. Wisconsin there was a couple different
iterations of logging that took. Place in the earliest, days
there were no roads or railroads by which to move
the product the logs to, sawmills and westward expansion was
happening at an extremely fast rate west of The, Mississippi
and of course we had all of the lumber up
here in the north, woods and that was sought in
to lumber and sent down The wisconsin And mississippi rivers
to build towns Like, Chicago Saint, Louis Kansas. City but
originally those logs were floated on the. Waterways but then
after they were able to get railroads and some some
better roads into the timber, country they went back through
and started to harvest. Hardwood timber for furniture making and,
flooring and then after they cut all those trees, down
they went back in for a third iteration of logging
and started cutting down softwood trees for pulpwood for paper.
Making so you can go through the logging industry history In,
wisconsin and it starts with, timber you, know for framing
for building, homes for building buildings for building houses and
that sort of, thing and then moves into flooring and,
furniture and then moves into paper. Milling so you can
find all of those types of things here In. Rhinelander
we had eight sawmills that operated seven days, week twenty
four hours a, day three hundred and sixty five days
a year for forty fifty. Years and then there was
hardwood flooring planing, mills and then a paper mill was,
developed which still is an operation to this.
Speaker 2: Day there's still paper mills not that far from me as,
well Like warsaw still has in The warsaw, area there's
still a paper.
Speaker 3: Mill, yeah there were a lot of different paper mills
across the state Of, wisconsin particularly on rivers and. WATERWAYS
a lot of them have folded up in recent. YEARS
i think if you make specialized paper or have like
a niche paper product like Our rhinelander paper mill, does
you're more likely to survive into the. Future but certainly
it was a huge industry at one. Time it is
still a big industry In, wisconsin but maybe more specialized
than it once.
Speaker 2: Was we have another fantastic question from, horrors and that
is did the time of real paeril from wolves and
bears maybe? Pass or did it happen to pass before
the mythic Ko? Dag and that could it could be? Taken,
Sorry i'm probably misread. That i'll start. Again did the
time of real peril from wolves and bears have to
pass before the mythic Ko dag could be? Taken To rhyanlander's?
Hearts like when there was something that was truly scary
in the woods that could kill you and it was
a ho dag not a thing, then or maybe it
was a simultaneous. THING i don't.
Speaker 3: Know that was really right in the mix, there AND
i think that's what caused it to be so viral
in the in the. Time, again you, know nowadays we
think about the forest as something of, beauty something we.
Enjoy the tree left. Standing we like to say at
Our logging. Museum we have a high value for. That
but back in the eighteen, hundreds, uh it really was
the wilderness and the woods was a, dark, dangerous, scary
foreboding place full of all types of animals that would
eat you, alive including bears and, wolves AND i think
developing you, know explanations for other sightings of animals in the,
woods including hot. Eggs it just really fits in with.
That so you, know go into the woods at your own.
Risk you could be attacked by a, wolf by a,
bear by a wod EGGPE i. Think and in the, law, yeah.
Speaker 2: Sorry and in the Lower ingalls Book Little house in
The Big, woods which my daughter, has there's a story in,
there and that's when they're In, wisconsin before they go further.
West there's a story in there for her grandfather being
chased by a black panther by a black cat in
the woods Of wisconsin back in THE i guess. Whenever
that would have been mid nineteenth century or. SOMETHING i, guess, so.
Speaker 3: YEAH i mean fifteen thousand years, ago the North woods
Of wisconsin was covered in a mile thick sheet of,
ice and after that glacier started receding that into The Canadian,
arctic all sorts of megafauna moved into the. Area you,
know there's we find bones In wisconsin Of american mastodons and,
giants slow and big bears and all types of. Creatures
so it really isn't a stretch for some type of
strange animals to be roaming around the. Countryside AND i
truly believe that's was the start of a lot of
The Native american oral history about the animals and the
creatures that they talk, about you, know including mishipicio and
and so do hold eggs harken back to those. STORIES
i believe they.
Speaker 1: Do you.
Speaker 2: KNOW i tend to think that maybe there is a.
Correlation and again it comes back to what you were saying.
Before the woods remain a scary. Place like when my
girlfriend Again, samantha was driving home from my house to
her house just last. Weekend she saw a bear on
the way, home two, coyotes and like a, big big
wolf on the way. Home like there aren't many parts
of the world you're going to drive, Home and this
wasn't like at a crazy. Time this was like middaysh
or something right where you would see those three.
Speaker 3: Things, no and that's very, true AND i GUESS i
didn't always realize. That here in the North Woods, wisconsin
we were so surrounded by, wildlife AND i think we
become a little bit desensitized to. IT i see white
tail deer every, DAY i see bears. WEEKLY i see,
wolves you, know from time to. Time BUT i spend
a lot of time in the, forest you. Know one
of my favorite things to do is be outside and enjoy.
Nature AND i think you kind of just become accustomed
to it here in The. Northwoods But i've driven across this.
Country i've been to forty three different, states you, know
countless national and state, parks and there are times Where
i'll drive a thousand miles and not see a single.
Creature and Then i'll come home And, i'll you, know
NonStop through the.
Speaker 2: Backyard funnily, enough it was literally yesterday my daughter AND
i were counting off all the things we've seen on now.
Property and there was a lot of, things you know
WHAT i. Mean the most fun thing was last. Summer
there WAS i mean funn not depending how you look at.
It there was a bobcat in her treehouse.
Speaker 3: So hard to take a little, Nap.
Speaker 2: Yeah and it hung there for a long time UNTIL
i went out and we saw it through the. Window
and WHEN i went, out you, know it saw me
and it took off and you know it never came.
Back but, anyway let's talk a little bit about The
Hot Egg Heritage festival which is bearing down on, us
Which i'm looking so forward to being at this year
After jeff's been trying to twist my arm and go
to for. Years. Now what can people expect when they
go to? That it sounds just. Amazing i'm looking so
forward to.
Speaker 3: It so one thing about Hold, eggs as far as
Rein leander is, concerned is it's an everyday thing. Here
people that live, here people that have lived, here people
that graduate high school. Here we call ourselves hold. Eggs you,
know we have this. Phrase once a hold, egg always
a hold. Egg and so not only is it part
of the culture and history and, heritage but you embody
it just as an individual that spends any amount of time,
here and we are always open to inviting people up
here to share in that. Experience everybody can enjoy. It
AND i cannot understate.
Speaker 1: That.
Speaker 3: Experience when you come To, rhinelander you will see hold eggs.
Everywhere it is just. Ubiquitous and so having one hundred
and thirty plus years of the storytelling and the legends
and the history of hode, EGGS i might mention real
quick that hode eggs are not one specific. Animal there
wasn't just one hot. Egg there are a species of
creature bovine spiritualis is What gene called. Them so you'll
see different depictions of hode eggs all over the. Place
and Hodegg Heritage festival coming Up may, sixteenth held At
Pioneer park here In, Rhinelander, wisconsin is just an extension
of all that history and a celebration of the heritage
and the very real cultural fabric of The rhinelander community
and Of wisconsin as a. Whole so when you come
to the, festival it's held at this beautiful little park
that is full of towering red and white pine trees
along The Pelican, river which is a tributary of The Wisconsin,
river just a couple blocks. Away you enter the park
into this little roadway that comes through this cathedral of pine,
trees and inside the park is you, know some pavilions
and some, grass some green spaces and a, playground but
also Features Pioneer Park Historical complex Where i'm the director
and curator during the summer. Months and again that features
the oldest logging museum in the, nation complete with a
real lumberjack bunk, house so now you can come in
and see what it was like for lumberjacks living in
the eighteen. Hundreds and then you, know everywhere you, go there's,
vendors there's, food there's all types of hot egg. Fun
we have A hotegg calling. Contest we have A hotegg
on display that we pull out and show to. Everybody
we have of this new thing that last year we
started The Hot Egg, quest which is like an interactive
park wide scavenger hunt that you go, on and we
really ramped it up this year And Ben burnella AND
i are organizing. That we're really excited to get people
to go on The Hot Egg.
Speaker 2: Quest my daughter loved, that by the, way she's totally
in the scavenge.
Speaker 3: Hunts, yeah she'll have A you guys will have a.
Blast you could do it together and it's a lot of.
Fun but then we have speakers talking about hot A.
History you can go on a Hot A history bus
tour where you hop on a. Bus the bus has
got a hot egg on, it of, course and you
drive all over Rhyin lander and go to prominent hot
egg sites Like Jeane shepherd's, estate places that he, lived you,
know the old railroad station and things like. That you
go to Hote Egg, park you get to see The
Hotegg historical, marker so all of these. Things you, know
you come to the, festival but then and you can
experience hot eggs at the, festival but then you can
also have an opportunity to get a guided tour Around
lander to see all the Hote egg sites and it's really.
Speaker 1: Cool. YEAH i.
Speaker 2: Know Chad lewis is speaking there this. Year he's a
friend of. Mine he's been a guest on the show
a number of. TIMES i think he's probably this state's
most important author of you, know the paranormal and the
cryptos were logical and you know all these other kind
of strange. THINGS i can't wait to See chad there.
Speaker 3: Too chad's been a good friend of the, festival a
great friend to us over the, years and you're not
wrong about. That the other thing About Chad lewis has,
said he's just a genuine nice guy and he has
been a strong proponent of our festival and just Hot
egg culture in. General he's always up for sharing it
and we've had him as a SPEAKER i think every
year At Hodeg Heritage. Festival he's on the docket again this.
Year a couple of the other speakers that will have this. Year,
MYSELF i always do like a Hote egg one oh
one kind of, course because a lot of people that
live In, ryinlander you, know we've grown up with these
stories and these tales our whole. Lives but a lot
of people that come to the festival and Come ryan,
later they want to know the nuts and. Bolts they
want to know the basics of The hodegg tales and.
Stories and for, me that never gets old And i'd
love to share. IT i Tell Hot egg legends like
fifty thousand times this summer to people that come from
all over the country and over the. WORLD i just love,
it and so that's really important part of WHAT i
like to. Do but this year we have Doctor Lowell,
brower who is a PhD in folklore from THE uw At,
madison coming up to speak on cryptid and folklore, tourism
and we're really excited to have him that's a part
Of Wisconsin Historical Society's History Makers, tour And Chad, lewis you,
know IF i could just pitch your back to, him
he always has an exciting presentation for, us and this,
YEAR i think he's going With lumberjack lingo If i'm not.
Mistaken we have a dedicated, Website Hodegg Heritage festival dot,
com where you can find the full. Schedule of, course
it being Very lumberjack themed and. Oriented the day starts
out with a free pank cake breakfast that's hosted by
our LOCAL, vfw and so there's activities for, kids there's
home egg, storytelling there's just all kinds of hot egg
fun throughout the, day just, NonStop you, know from morning until.
Evening and it all ends with a big hot egg
party with live music.
Speaker 2: Too you, KNOW i can't. Wait we've been talking about this,
now my Girlfriend outdoorters and, myself we've been talking about
it since we finally looked down the hotel about a month,
ago and we're so looking forward to. It And i'm
going to be That i'm going to be that pancake
breakfast And i'm going to be just feeling my fat
little belly with as many of those pancakes AS i.
Can there's nothing like.
Speaker 3: More, yeah and there's speakers. HAPPENING i think we're doing
hot Egg trivia this year during the pancake. Breakfast so
there's always something going on and always something fun to.
Do and, then LIKE i mentioned the hot egg, quest
that's something you can do throughout the, Day so you
could start that and you could do it in an,
hour you could spend the whole day doing, it so
and then there's all types of interactive fun things going
on all day. LONG i think there's a gentleman that
lives In Ryan, Lander Jerry, schidell who does he portrays
You Gene shepherd h and does a phenomenal job at.
It he's been doing it for a lot of. Years
for a long time he had done kind of like
A Geene shepherd side show tent stage, show and this
year he's doing a one Man Jean shepherd. Show and
then on top of all of this, stuff we have
A lumberjack thrill show this, year SO i think they're
doing two or three performances throughout the day and so
you could sit down and you, know see some lumberjack
action on top of, it it's just.
Speaker 2: FANTASTIC i Think i've seen that gentleman doing His Gene
shepherd performance on one of mine of my daughter's favorite, Show,
boogeyman when they do the hotel.
Speaker 3: Episode Yeaheen jerry was, featured you, know prominently in that
in that. Show, yeah that's a.
Speaker 2: That's a great. Episode, people people who are interested to
go and check that. Out it's like you can fight
on YouTube and it's not like it's like it's like
some pirate. Show there are various real channels that Host
boogeymen on YouTube now for, free and you can watch
the home egg thing. There but you've already given out
The hodeg. Website i've certainly got that website along WITH
i think things which other people that our audience will
also be interested in that you're involved. With is there
anywhere else you want to point people other than The Hodegg.
Speaker 3: FESTIVAL i, mean if you come up to the, festival
certainly you can visit the. Museum but even if you
don't get a chance to come up to the festival this,
year make a plan to come up and experience hot
eggs and hot egg history and hot egg culture and
hot a heritage it will be well worth your, time
AND i promise you will fall in love with The
north was Of. Wisconsin you will have a fun. Time most,
importantly and if you can't come up during one of the,
festivals still come up to Ryan. Lander you, know get a,
hotel get a, resort, accommodation stand one of the beautiful.
Lakes we have one thousand in one and twenty nine
lakes In Oneida, county and we have the most beautiful
summers up. HERE i can smell the warm pine needles
already just thinking about it this. Year and you can
enjoy hot egg culture any time of year up here In, Rhyinlander.
Wisconsin so definitely make a plan to come up to
the festival and experience the. Legend we like to, say
but if you can't make it to the, festival make
a plan to come up and. Visit you won't go.
Speaker 2: WRONG i totally agree with. That such a beautiful part
of the. World if people come to the fest too
and they see me Because i'll be rocking, around or
we can come and say. Hello, Chata lewis will be,
There carrie will be. There all of us would love
you to come and say, hi to Have Jeff finnip
who's been on the show. Before we'll be. There don't
be shy if you, come and if you're you know
you're an, audience audience, member, participant family member of talking with,
it which is WHAT i like to. Think if you
will all ask please come and say hi if you
come to the. Fest, carrie you were just an amazing.
Guest it was so great having you on the. Show
thank you so much for joining me.
Speaker 3: Tonight, WELL i appreciate that's high praise after one hundred
and ninety, Episodes, Dean SO i think it was a great.
CONVERSATION i appreciate giving me the opportunity to get up
on My Hot egg. Soapbox AND i hope some of
your listeners come up to A Hot egg country this
year and experience.
Speaker 2: It thank you so, Much. Carrie and that's incidentally only
the episode since we've jumped to the Until radio Network
Talking we'd. Went, yeah there's hundreds of episodes of Talking
We'd all that matters is the ones that, here And
i'm told you were. Right i'm looking forward to talking
to you again very Soon, carrie which no doubt will
be at The Home Egg. Festival and what are the
dates of that Again may.
Speaker 3: Sixteenth it's A saturday all. Day you, know we recommend
coming up On, friday getting a fish fry up here
in the northwoods Of, wisconsin having an old fashioned settling
Into Hot Egg, country experiencing the Hot egg legend On,
saturday and you, know spend their whole weekend up here
in the.
Speaker 2: Area that's my plan and the UNTIL i talked everybody
else out, there which will be same weird. Time it's
nine Pm thursday next week and same weird, network The
Untold Radio. Network please keep it.
Speaker 3: Weird long live The Hold, egg as we, say