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<v Speaker 1>Christmas, and that's what this holy day is all about.

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<v Speaker 1>And so while you're enjoying the fun and the family

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<v Speaker 1>and the laughter, we need to make sure that leading

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<v Speaker 1>up to and on that day we are keeping Christ

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<v Speaker 1>at the center of our celebration and remembering that's what

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<v Speaker 1>this is really all about.

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<v Speaker 2>More at familyminute dot org.

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<v Speaker 3>Good morning, good morning, good morning, and welcome, welcome, welcome.

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<v Speaker 3>It's timed out where the city matters, right here on

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<v Speaker 3>K one, the one you trust. First things first, before

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<v Speaker 3>we get things going. What's with this bog and eight

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<v Speaker 3>our skyline? I mean, I took a look at our

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<v Speaker 3>camera out here and I'm looking downtown and I don't

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<v Speaker 3>see yours.

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<v Speaker 4>Goy no, No, it's uh, well, it's just the wintertime,

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<v Speaker 4>so you just never know what you're gonna get.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, that's the beauty of it.

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<v Speaker 4>Will just wait a few days and they'll be completely different.

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<v Speaker 4>Or maybe in this after afternoon outshot.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, hey, Keith, do you think it's gonna know? It's

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<v Speaker 2>a four letter word, Tom, we don't question. Well, let's

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<v Speaker 2>get things out of way.

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<v Speaker 3>I know that today is the first day of the

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<v Speaker 3>leaf and the grass pack.

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<v Speaker 6>It is, uh, today's the day to take advantage of

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<v Speaker 6>the leaf and grass collection. Uh, So hopefully you've got

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<v Speaker 6>it out there today if you're a Monday route, because

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<v Speaker 6>we're picking it up on your normal trash collection day.

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<v Speaker 6>So all leaf and grass, if you've bagged that material

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<v Speaker 6>and set it out at the curb, it will not

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<v Speaker 6>require a refuge or a grass yard waist sticker. So

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<v Speaker 6>it's a free service to all our residential customers. So

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<v Speaker 6>get that material out there again today. Hopefully you've already

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<v Speaker 6>got it out there. You're probably missing the boat. But Tuesday,

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<v Speaker 6>Thursday and Friday, when we pick up your normal refuge,

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<v Speaker 6>we'll be by to collect those. It will probably be

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<v Speaker 6>a separate, separate truck, so it won't be your automated

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<v Speaker 6>truck that picks up your cart. So don't get too

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<v Speaker 6>excited when it comes by and they go, hey, he

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<v Speaker 6>didn't get my bag, so somebody will be around to

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<v Speaker 6>get him. And for some reason we do miss them

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<v Speaker 6>and we haven't picked them up that day, give us

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<v Speaker 6>a call and we'll be sure come back and get

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<v Speaker 6>those materials. So along with the grass and the leaves,

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<v Speaker 6>we also will take sticks and branches if they bundle

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<v Speaker 6>that material up, and no more than fifty pounds and

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<v Speaker 6>no more than four foot in length. We'll also colleck

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<v Speaker 6>that material material for you, so encourage all the citizens

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<v Speaker 6>to take care of that. I was out early this

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<v Speaker 6>morning and I saw a few locations where there was

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<v Speaker 6>a mountain of bags of leaves. So some people are

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<v Speaker 6>going to participate and take advantage of it, and that's

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<v Speaker 6>what we got it out there for. We might also

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<v Speaker 6>remind people holiday trash schedule actually fortunates this year. Of

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<v Speaker 6>course we've gotten through now Thanksgiving, but upcoming Christmas and

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<v Speaker 6>New Year's is actually going to fall on a Wednesday

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<v Speaker 6>this year, so typically it's not going to affect the

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<v Speaker 6>residential collection. A little bit on the commercial side, which

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<v Speaker 6>we'll pick that up the day before.

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<v Speaker 2>But again if it's a.

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<v Speaker 6>Residential collection, you don't have to worry about getting it

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<v Speaker 6>out before or after because we don't work the residential

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<v Speaker 6>guys don't pick up on Wednesdays anyway, So with the

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<v Speaker 6>holiday falling on that day, we're good.

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<v Speaker 2>For those two days. Wait, no confusion, that's the way

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<v Speaker 2>we like it. Easier the better.

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<v Speaker 6>So just to encourage people, like to say, with the

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<v Speaker 6>holiday season, make sure they're kind of following the rules

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<v Speaker 6>and regulations. Have your carts out to the street by

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<v Speaker 6>six o'clock in the morning. Typically, I like to tell people,

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<v Speaker 6>you know, it's better just to put it out the

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<v Speaker 6>night before.

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<v Speaker 2>That way you don't miss it.

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<v Speaker 6>We have a lot of relief drivers sometimes during the

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<v Speaker 6>holiday seasons that fill in, so sometimes the routes kind

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<v Speaker 6>of like the mailman. You expect him to come by

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<v Speaker 6>at ten oh five and some days he comes by

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<v Speaker 6>at eight o'clock, sometimes at noon, and we can be

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<v Speaker 6>that way sometimes. So make sure you put it out

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<v Speaker 6>first thing in the morning at six o'clock. Have it

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<v Speaker 6>out at the street. Nothing within five foot of the cart,

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<v Speaker 6>so no obstructions. Make sure we can get to the cart.

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<v Speaker 6>Make sure everything is inside the cart. We've had some

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<v Speaker 6>issues with people stacking materials and things on top of

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<v Speaker 6>the carts. And make sure all the material in the

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<v Speaker 6>carts also bagged. We want all that Christmas paper and

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<v Speaker 6>wrapping flying all over the place and we're picking it up.

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<v Speaker 6>So bag all the material, make sure it's in the carts,

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<v Speaker 6>and get it out to the street by six o'clock

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<v Speaker 6>and we'll be sure and get it picked up for you.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, very good, And while we have you here, and

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<v Speaker 3>this is gonna keep me from calling you at like

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<v Speaker 3>four in the morning when it snows.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, how do we go about?

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<v Speaker 3>What's the procedure here as far as snow removal in

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<v Speaker 3>the city.

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<v Speaker 6>We actually have a snow removal policy that was established

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<v Speaker 6>several years ago and it kind of outlines the procedure

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<v Speaker 6>that we follow when we do the snow removal. And

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<v Speaker 6>typically that will be the arterial streets first. So usually

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<v Speaker 6>those are the ones that you know you're gonna have

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<v Speaker 6>the first issues with travel on those bridges, overpasses, artillial streets,

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<v Speaker 6>So we start with those and then we work into

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<v Speaker 6>the residential areas or collector streets. Also, the only streets

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<v Speaker 6>that we actually plow snow in the City of Barlsville

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<v Speaker 6>is the arterials. We do not plow snow in the

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<v Speaker 6>residential areas.

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<v Speaker 2>Is such a.

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<v Speaker 6>Problem with blocking driveways and what have you that typically

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<v Speaker 6>just doesn't work out and in the time issue of

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<v Speaker 6>you know, trying to get to all those So we

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<v Speaker 6>do have a policy that we follow describes what we

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<v Speaker 6>do sand salt and where we plow.

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<v Speaker 3>There you go you have do is go to City

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<v Speaker 3>of Bartlesville dot org and he'll be right there.

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<v Speaker 2>You bet we should be on our website.

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<v Speaker 3>All right, good, all right, Uh Terry, let's talk a

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<v Speaker 3>little bit of water the unpros.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah no, we'll uh well, let's let's let Jason do

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<v Speaker 4>his thing, because we all everything runs on the finances

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<v Speaker 4>of the city.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's do that.

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<v Speaker 5>Let's microphone, that's right. I want Jason to get his

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<v Speaker 5>time in the in the limelight.

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<v Speaker 7>In the well.

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<v Speaker 2>You know he takes so much, Yeah, he does.

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<v Speaker 7>Earlier. So sound Sex was up.

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<v Speaker 8>This this this month December eight is that almost eight

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<v Speaker 8>point five percent, which is good because last week last

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<v Speaker 8>month was down eight point four percent. They kind of

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<v Speaker 8>flipped flip the months there, so he's doing gray. We're

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<v Speaker 8>up one percent compared to last year currently and we

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<v Speaker 8>you know, we budget really conservatively, so we're up almost

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<v Speaker 8>two one two and a half percent compared to budget

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<v Speaker 8>on the year.

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<v Speaker 7>Flip that over to US tax.

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<v Speaker 8>US tax kind of had a battle month, down twenty

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<v Speaker 8>percent on the US tax side.

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<v Speaker 7>Looking at that though, it is compared to the.

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<v Speaker 8>Largest use tax being last year, the largest use tax

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<v Speaker 8>month we've had today, which there's not a whole lot

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<v Speaker 8>of data points here yet, but that being said, we're

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<v Speaker 8>still we're still up a quarter of a percent compared

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<v Speaker 8>to budget and we're.

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<v Speaker 7>Still station the tax. Well, so use tax is now

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<v Speaker 7>online sales tax.

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<v Speaker 8>So when you shop at Amazon, you shop at any

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<v Speaker 8>kind of store that has an online presence that doesn't

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<v Speaker 8>have a physical presence in the state of Oklahoma, your

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<v Speaker 8>sales tax is going to be collected as use tax.

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<v Speaker 8>It's a companion tack two sales tax, so it goes

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<v Speaker 8>hand in hand with it. But in the older days

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<v Speaker 8>the internet, online sales tax wasn't collected, but you.

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<v Speaker 2>Just weren't collected sales tax.

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah, so our state codified the online sales tax has

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<v Speaker 8>used tax, so that's why we see.

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<v Speaker 7>It in that form versus just sales tax collection.

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<v Speaker 2>Good to know.

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<v Speaker 4>So on the sales tax, what months Sometimes people think

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<v Speaker 4>that that's actually from, for example, last month.

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<v Speaker 5>How much behind is the reporting on that sales It's.

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<v Speaker 7>About a month and a half behind. You got to

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<v Speaker 7>realize if you.

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<v Speaker 8>Went and spent your money today at the store, the

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<v Speaker 8>store holds it in trust until they're reporting time, do

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<v Speaker 8>they and they submit it to the State of Oklahoma.

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<v Speaker 8>State of Oklahoma holds it for a period of time

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<v Speaker 8>and then they remitted to us. It's about a month

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<v Speaker 8>and a halfe so we get the usually around the

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<v Speaker 8>eighth of the ninth, we'll get a deposit from the

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<v Speaker 8>state that it's really from the prior month, a month

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<v Speaker 8>and a half to that, and all goes. I'm I'm

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<v Speaker 8>not a business owner, so I don't know when they're

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<v Speaker 8>they get to choose what dates they're filing to pay their.

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<v Speaker 7>Taxes with the State of Oklahoma.

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<v Speaker 8>But I'm sure it probably varies in there to when

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<v Speaker 8>you started doing your business. That would be my assumption

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<v Speaker 8>on that side of it. So it is a I say,

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<v Speaker 8>it's a.

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<v Speaker 7>Month month and a half behind lag.

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<v Speaker 8>So we're seeing so December sales, we're seeing you know,

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<v Speaker 8>October sales.

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<v Speaker 7>And this is what we'recing.

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<v Speaker 4>And how much should we budget as far as did

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<v Speaker 4>we budget a flat sales tax for this this budget cycle,

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<v Speaker 4>this budget period or did we.

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<v Speaker 8>We always budget reduced usually conservatively, And obviously we'll look

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<v Speaker 8>at how sales tax performing the last quarter of the year,

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<v Speaker 8>and we usually stayed between a one percent and two

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<v Speaker 8>and a half percent decline from the previous year.

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<v Speaker 4>There you go, well good and so so if somebody

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<v Speaker 4>has just a keen interest in sales tax or really

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<v Speaker 4>finding out more about the youth tax or getting into

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<v Speaker 4>the numbers, which I'm sure there's individuals who just like you,

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<v Speaker 4>Jason Jay, they just want to dive in the numbers.

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<v Speaker 4>Who can they reach out to you? Can they find

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<v Speaker 4>that online or what's their resource?

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<v Speaker 8>You can? You can go to the State of Oklahoma's website.

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<v Speaker 8>We have this information because you know, that's where I

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<v Speaker 8>get mind phrase to put these together. Stable Oklahoma Tax

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<v Speaker 8>Missions website. Okay, Now, you don't really get a whole

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<v Speaker 8>lot of data. You just kind of get lump some totals.

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<v Speaker 8>What was a positive You can look at all the

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<v Speaker 8>METIS spiles around the state what they collected.

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<v Speaker 7>There's not really a great level of detail.

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<v Speaker 8>We have to sign CONFIDENCEI out is with the State

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<v Speaker 8>of Oklahoma to get detailed information because you can look

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<v Speaker 8>back and see individual store sales and from a competitive standpoint,

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<v Speaker 8>try to try to backdoor on their.

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<v Speaker 7>Monthly sales totals.

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<v Speaker 8>So this confidential information that we get to see that

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<v Speaker 8>not everyone would get to see. But you can't go

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<v Speaker 8>to tax missions website and see that.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, So on the sales tax, actually the vendors pay

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<v Speaker 4>the state and then the states US. So the city

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<v Speaker 4>really doesn't collect sales ta the collection side, right, so

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<v Speaker 7>We have no idea.

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<v Speaker 8>We can kind of see how the state's trending a

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<v Speaker 8>we're not. We're out here on an island by ourselves.

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<v Speaker 8>So a lot of times what the state does isn't

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<v Speaker 2>We're going to do well.

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<v Speaker 4>And I think sales tax people get maybe confused and

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<v Speaker 4>or some other revenue source, but really it's ninety percent

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<v Speaker 8>Truthfully, majority majority of our operations in funded with sales tax,

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<v Speaker 8>especially over the general fund, police, fire, arcs, streets, General

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<v Speaker 4>So yeah, so that's so, I know, water, wastewater and

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<v Speaker 4>Bills really don't reimburse fences for street department, please fire

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<v Speaker 5>Those are all self.

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<v Speaker 4>far as water and waste, wires and sensation come off

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<v Speaker 7>Building, that's how we derive your utility rates.

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<v Speaker 5>Right, So then on recovery.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, so the sales tax really funds the majority of

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<v Speaker 4>the operation of the city, which is primarily police and fire.

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<v Speaker 3>That's that's the larger of the largest, the largest A

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<v Speaker 3>little bit goes Keith's way.

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<v Speaker 8>I'd say it's probably one of the middle sized department

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<v Speaker 8>as far as dollars go. It's somewhere in the middle,

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<v Speaker 8>police and fire being the largest two departments, right, Tom.

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<v Speaker 6>We might also mention Benza just kind of come up

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<v Speaker 6>on the holiday season, had some questions about recycling. It's

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<v Speaker 6>with all the cardboard and stuff that you gather. The

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<v Speaker 6>recycle site is actually operated by a company called Replenish.

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<v Speaker 6>We kind of went into an agreement with them. Gosh,

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<v Speaker 6>worked out very well for me, especially a lot less

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<v Speaker 6>time for us be involved with it. So Replenish is

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<v Speaker 6>open at the site Monday, Wednesday and Friday, I believe

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<v Speaker 6>it's seven to four, so they have staff there every day,

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<v Speaker 6>but they're typically only open for collections on those days

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<v Speaker 6>in those hours. So again when encourage people those gift

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<v Speaker 6>get them up to recycle center along with the plastics

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<v Speaker 6>and other glass and things that they take, steel cans,

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<v Speaker 2>So the site is open.

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<v Speaker 6>It's been a good partnership with Replenish. We basically supply

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<v Speaker 6>them a site, the property that they use, and pretty

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<v Speaker 6>much everything else they is on them, the collection, the packaging,

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<v Speaker 6>the trucking and everything they do. All that we do

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<v Speaker 6>occasionally help with some transport as far as labor to

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<v Speaker 6>help load trucks, but in general it's all a Replenished

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<v Speaker 6>organization and the partnership's worked out very well for us.

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<v Speaker 6>And encourage people to use that site over there at

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<v Speaker 2>Very good.

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<v Speaker 4>Are there any restrictions on what they can recycle or

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<v Speaker 6>There are some restrictions and I hate to sit here

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<v Speaker 6>and quote me what they are. I mean they take

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<v Speaker 6>most plastics and the people they are familiar with recycling

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<v Speaker 6>we're not currently taking they aren't taking paper. I mean

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<v Speaker 6>they take cardboard, but they don't take like newspapers, and

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<v Speaker 6>I don't think anymore. They do take glass, they take

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<v Speaker 2>Two's the trees, which are like your milk, drugs and

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<v Speaker 2>water bottles and those things they take.

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<v Speaker 6>So most of the normal things, it's about having a

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<v Speaker 6>place to market and to sell it. So some of

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<v Speaker 6>the things that they don't take are something that there's

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<v Speaker 6>just not a market for. They have no way to

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<v Speaker 6>dispose of it, so they can't take it.

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<v Speaker 2>So like lithium batteries, things like.

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<v Speaker 6>No battery collections on the site, had no tires. You know,

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<v Speaker 6>we do typically in the spring, we partner with Operation

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<v Speaker 6>clean House where you do collective of those.

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<v Speaker 2>Type of materials once a year.

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<v Speaker 6>But NEI, as Terry mentioned, no hazardous materials of all

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<v Speaker 6>the liquids or chemicals and things like that.

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<v Speaker 4>So yeah, so that makes it brings up a great point.

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<v Speaker 4>If you do have use motor oil or maybe some

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<v Speaker 4>fluids from your vehicle or whatever. Uh, there are some

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<v Speaker 4>entities around town that will take that. Possibly, I know

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<v Speaker 4>Walmart will take used motor oil. There may be some.

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<v Speaker 5>Other entities that do that, but a lot of it you.

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<v Speaker 4>Just have to hang on to until we do that

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<v Speaker 4>annual hazardous waste disposal event, which I think typically is

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<v Speaker 4>in theah so you just have to kind of hold

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<v Speaker 5>There it so.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, we are going to well before we jump into water.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh.

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<v Speaker 4>We certainly want to kind of touch base about the

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<v Speaker 4>city council meeting that was held last week, so that

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<v Speaker 4>we did have three new council members that were sworn in, uh,

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<v Speaker 4>so we want to congratulate them on their new uh

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<v Speaker 4>their new term or their new service. So that was

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<v Speaker 4>Larry East, Tim Shehrrick, and then Aaron Kapatrick.

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<v Speaker 5>So those are the three new council members. They the council.

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<v Speaker 4>Did elect to uh to put Jim Kurt as the

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<v Speaker 4>mayor and then as Trevor dor Say as the vice mayor.

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<v Speaker 4>So that is your counsel for this h at least

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<v Speaker 4>next two years, I believe is their term. Uh So

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<v Speaker 4>they're h they have hit the ground running. We did

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<v Speaker 4>have an orientation for them last week on Thursday to

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<v Speaker 4>help get them up to speed and help understand kind

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<v Speaker 4>of the diversity of the city government and all the

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<v Speaker 4>things that we that that they now have some some

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<v Speaker 4>responsibility for. But I think it was a good event.

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<v Speaker 4>It was a it was a long day for I

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<v Speaker 4>think everybody, but they were able to tour a number

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<v Speaker 4>of facilities as well as different operation components of it.

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<v Speaker 4>And then in the afternoon they had some presentations, received

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<v Speaker 4>some presentations regarding the various functions of those departments and

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<v Speaker 4>some of the other topics that have been ongoing throughout

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<v Speaker 4>the you know, throughout the term or you know, throughout

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<v Speaker 4>the last few years. But one of those was water supply.

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<v Speaker 4>So that's my little segue into water supply.

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<v Speaker 2>Then a little topic wow.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, So it took a lot of words to get there.

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<v Speaker 4>So anyways, as many people know, we had a drought

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<v Speaker 4>about a year and a half ago, well started a

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<v Speaker 4>year and a half ago. It finished really early this year,

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<v Speaker 4>kind of January February of this year.

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<v Speaker 5>But I always like.

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<v Speaker 4>To touch base on a little bit of the history

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<v Speaker 4>of our water supply and what we've done and why

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<v Speaker 4>we've done it. But our our journey really started back

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<v Speaker 4>in two thousand and one. Two thousand and two, we

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<v Speaker 4>had a moderate drop for a few months, but our

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<v Speaker 4>water supply at Hue Lake fell down to less than

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<v Speaker 4>twenty percent. So that's if you're familiar with our water

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<v Speaker 4>supply sources. We currently have four, but Hughe is our

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<v Speaker 4>largest storage vessel, so that has over sixty percent of

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<v Speaker 4>the water that we have available for us to consume.

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<v Speaker 4>Then we have next is going to be the Kenney

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<v Speaker 4>River is our next largest one than Hudson Lake, and

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<v Speaker 4>then our smallest water supply source by water right is

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<v Speaker 4>co Op Lake. So those are our four water sources.

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<v Speaker 5>That we use.

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<v Speaker 4>But in one oh two that was down to below

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<v Speaker 4>twenty percent, and so that really started our long journey

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<v Speaker 4>looking for different sources.

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<v Speaker 5>So we have done a number of studies.

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<v Speaker 4>One of those studies was to look at how much

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<v Speaker 4>water do you need, how much water will your existing

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<v Speaker 4>sources provide, and then where do you find.

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<v Speaker 5>That extra water to bridge the gap.

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<v Speaker 4>So that sudy was done and completed in two thousand

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<v Speaker 4>and seven, and what it recommended was to secure the

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<v Speaker 4>water storage that's available at Copan Lake and then to

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<v Speaker 4>reallocate flood control to water supply at both Hula and

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<v Speaker 4>Copan Lake. So when they talk about reallocation of flood control,

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<v Speaker 4>the water supply. Those lakes, which are both owned by

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<v Speaker 4>the corp of Engineers at Hula and Copan, have certain

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<v Speaker 4>zones that are designated for a specific use. So the

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<v Speaker 4>normal pool or what they normally operate at is water

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<v Speaker 4>supply and recreation. And then during flood events, they have

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<v Speaker 4>forty plus feet that's reserved for flood control, so it

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<v Speaker 4>run off from various rain events.

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<v Speaker 5>Gets stored there. They release it at a reduced.

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<v Speaker 4>Rate to mitigate downstream flooding, and so those lakes have

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<v Speaker 4>that as a major component of its operations. So when

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<v Speaker 4>we reallocate flood control the water supply, we actually raise

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<v Speaker 4>that water level so that the water there's more water

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<v Speaker 4>stored there during the normal events or during normal usage,

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<v Speaker 4>and then that makes more water available.

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<v Speaker 5>For us for a water supply perspective.

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<v Speaker 4>So those are the recommendations from that study. And it

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<v Speaker 4>took us literally took us twelve years in an Act

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<v Speaker 4>of Congress to get the storage rights from Copan Lake.

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<v Speaker 4>So the way that that operates is that you buy

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<v Speaker 4>the storage the storage at those lakes for water supply,

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<v Speaker 4>and those storage amounts are controlled by the Army Corps

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<v Speaker 4>of Engineers and it's their policy they charge the original

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<v Speaker 4>construction costs plus interest, So when that lake was finished,

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<v Speaker 4>they then charge interest from that completion date to whatever

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<v Speaker 4>date that you want to purchase that water right. So

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<v Speaker 4>for example, at Heal Lake, we bought all the water

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<v Speaker 4>rights and have had that for forty to fifty plus years.

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<v Speaker 4>But at Copan Lake, we have just entered that contractor

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<v Speaker 4>just entered that game as far as purchasing water supply

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<v Speaker 4>at that lake, but a fairly substantial cost. And so

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<v Speaker 4>at Copan Lake, for us to buy a million gallons

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<v Speaker 4>worth of water storage a day would initially cost US

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<v Speaker 4>seven million dollars.

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<v Speaker 5>That's what the quota price was from the corp.

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<v Speaker 4>Of Engineers, and that's what they held firm to and

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<v Speaker 4>when you visit with them about negotiating a price, because

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<v Speaker 4>it's a lake that's already built, already paid for by

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<v Speaker 4>tax dollars, there's no other entity that's clamoring for that

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<v Speaker 4>water supply. So one would assume that we can negotiate

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<v Speaker 4>a deal that would provide them cost but maybe be

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<v Speaker 4>a little bit more cost effective for us to pursue.

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<v Speaker 4>But the Core unfortunately doesn't operate that way. It's this

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<v Speaker 4>is our policy. This is the cost and if you

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<v Speaker 4>want any deviation of that, it requires an Act of Congress.

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<v Speaker 2>To do that.

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<v Speaker 3>Is this where they go from the Army Corps of

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<v Speaker 3>engineers to the Army Corps attorneys.

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<v Speaker 4>That's one of the yes, yeah, the acronyms that we've

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<v Speaker 4>heard just to get numerous times through that. So, being

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<v Speaker 4>a water utility, any cost that we have to spend

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<v Speaker 4>for water supplier, you know, capital provement, that cost gets

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<v Speaker 4>relayed to the consumer, and so we want to keep

431
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<v Speaker 4>those costs down as much as possible. So looking at

432
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<v Speaker 4>not only what the cost of Copan would be, but

433
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<v Speaker 4>as well as the cost of those flood control reallocations

434
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<v Speaker 4>would be up in the sixty million dollar range. And

435
00:20:55.720 --> 00:20:58.119
<v Speaker 4>that's a fairly substantial cost that our rate payers would

436
00:20:58.160 --> 00:21:02.000
<v Speaker 4>have to take on our to reimburse or pay for.

437
00:21:02.640 --> 00:21:06.039
<v Speaker 4>And so we felt, as well as Council felt that

438
00:21:06.079 --> 00:21:08.119
<v Speaker 4>we need to get pricing in.

439
00:21:08.359 --> 00:21:09.839
<v Speaker 5>More affordable terms for us.

440
00:21:10.559 --> 00:21:14.680
<v Speaker 4>And so that resulted in going through Congress actually with

441
00:21:14.759 --> 00:21:18.720
<v Speaker 4>federal legislation to do that, and so that took us

442
00:21:18.720 --> 00:21:21.640
<v Speaker 4>twelve years to get that first trants of water supply

443
00:21:21.680 --> 00:21:24.079
<v Speaker 4>at Copan Lake, which was in twenty twenty. So instead

444
00:21:24.119 --> 00:21:27.079
<v Speaker 4>of paying seven million dollars, that ended up being two

445
00:21:27.119 --> 00:21:28.599
<v Speaker 4>hundreds out two hundred and five.

446
00:21:28.400 --> 00:21:31.279
<v Speaker 2>Thousand dollars, so quit substantial savings, just.

447
00:21:31.799 --> 00:21:36.920
<v Speaker 4>Savings, but we are continuing to look at and pursue

448
00:21:37.440 --> 00:21:40.240
<v Speaker 4>reallocation at those lakes as well as there are some

449
00:21:40.279 --> 00:21:44.839
<v Speaker 4>additional water stores available at Copan Lake, but that again

450
00:21:44.960 --> 00:21:47.920
<v Speaker 4>takes an Act of Congress for us to access.

451
00:21:48.519 --> 00:21:49.359
<v Speaker 5>So we are.

452
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<v Speaker 4>Pursuing those water supply and water storage contracts through those entities,

453
00:21:54.680 --> 00:21:57.799
<v Speaker 4>and that's really all through federal legislation. So we have

454
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<v Speaker 4>been working with Senator Langford, with Senator Mollen, Congressman Boukin

455
00:22:04.599 --> 00:22:07.880
<v Speaker 4>and their staff in order to craft legislation to put

456
00:22:08.559 --> 00:22:12.240
<v Speaker 4>through a Water Resource of Development Act is typical mechanism.

457
00:22:11.799 --> 00:22:13.519
<v Speaker 5>That that legislation routes through.

458
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<v Speaker 4>So we have been working with the Senators and congressmen

459
00:22:17.200 --> 00:22:19.240
<v Speaker 4>and their staff to craft that language and get that

460
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<v Speaker 4>in so that we can get the federal legislation needed

461
00:22:22.400 --> 00:22:23.759
<v Speaker 4>to move forward with these items.

462
00:22:23.799 --> 00:22:28.079
<v Speaker 5>So we believe that we have that in the twenty

463
00:22:28.119 --> 00:22:31.039
<v Speaker 5>twenty four were to act as far as to access.

464
00:22:30.680 --> 00:22:34.920
<v Speaker 4>The remaining storage at Copan Lake, so that language is

465
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<v Speaker 4>in that bill, it is yet to be signed in

466
00:22:37.759 --> 00:22:40.880
<v Speaker 4>the law. They're still working out the differences between the

467
00:22:40.920 --> 00:22:45.000
<v Speaker 4>Senate and the House on the disparity between their languages.

468
00:22:45.039 --> 00:22:47.880
<v Speaker 4>So hopefully they're able to reconcile that and that will

469
00:22:47.880 --> 00:22:50.480
<v Speaker 4>be signed in the law. We're hopeful sometime in twenty

470
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<v Speaker 4>twenty five, but time will tell. And that's kind of

471
00:22:55.960 --> 00:22:59.240
<v Speaker 4>the crutz of it is there's years where the legislation

472
00:22:59.440 --> 00:23:02.359
<v Speaker 4>just dies doesn't go forward, uh and there's other years

473
00:23:02.359 --> 00:23:03.440
<v Speaker 4>that we're able to get something.

474
00:23:03.480 --> 00:23:04.759
<v Speaker 5>So we're somewhat beholden to.

475
00:23:05.519 --> 00:23:10.640
<v Speaker 4>Uh all of that legislative body to pass that that

476
00:23:10.720 --> 00:23:11.640
<v Speaker 4>act that would.

477
00:23:11.400 --> 00:23:14.200
<v Speaker 5>Facilitate us moving forward with that very good.

478
00:23:14.720 --> 00:23:18.279
<v Speaker 4>So we have we have met with the Water Resources

479
00:23:18.279 --> 00:23:20.759
<v Speaker 4>Committee and we've looked at a number of other options

480
00:23:20.799 --> 00:23:21.839
<v Speaker 4>as far as water supply.

481
00:23:22.480 --> 00:23:22.680
<v Speaker 2>UH.

482
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<v Speaker 4>So we've looked at call Lake, Birch, Lake Skytook Lake,

483
00:23:26.359 --> 00:23:32.640
<v Speaker 4>the Ooligau Keystone, as well as uh aquifer finished water

484
00:23:32.799 --> 00:23:37.839
<v Speaker 4>or treated water from the Tulsa area. And so we've

485
00:23:37.880 --> 00:23:41.039
<v Speaker 4>we've gone through and looked at to see what's available.

486
00:23:41.079 --> 00:23:45.200
<v Speaker 4>But the Water Resources Committee is tasked staff to investigate

487
00:23:45.319 --> 00:23:48.440
<v Speaker 4>four items and more detail, and so that involves Call

488
00:23:48.519 --> 00:23:51.920
<v Speaker 4>Lake again, Hulan Copan as well as the aid of

489
00:23:51.920 --> 00:23:55.680
<v Speaker 4>a Musa aquifer, which is a major aquifer in central

490
00:23:55.680 --> 00:23:58.599
<v Speaker 4>Osh County that has quite a bit of water rights

491
00:23:58.759 --> 00:23:59.720
<v Speaker 4>available within it.

492
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<v Speaker 6>If I understood you right before, and I've heard you

493
00:24:02.960 --> 00:24:06.880
<v Speaker 6>talk about it. So the CORE releases water from Heala

494
00:24:06.880 --> 00:24:09.440
<v Speaker 6>and Copine daily that we have no control over a

495
00:24:09.480 --> 00:24:11.400
<v Speaker 6>certain amount and we pick it up down here the river.

496
00:24:11.480 --> 00:24:13.799
<v Speaker 2>Basically we get free water from that. Is that right or.

497
00:24:15.559 --> 00:24:16.759
<v Speaker 5>It in a sense?

498
00:24:16.839 --> 00:24:17.119
<v Speaker 2>Yes?

499
00:24:17.400 --> 00:24:20.519
<v Speaker 4>In a sense, yes, So Heala and Copine when they

500
00:24:20.519 --> 00:24:22.839
<v Speaker 4>were built, the Core had a policy that they had

501
00:24:22.839 --> 00:24:26.319
<v Speaker 4>to release a certain amount of water between those lakes

502
00:24:26.359 --> 00:24:31.279
<v Speaker 4>for environmental water quality issues or concerns they had downstream.

503
00:24:32.039 --> 00:24:34.960
<v Speaker 4>And so that results or amounts some eleven million gawns

504
00:24:35.000 --> 00:24:37.720
<v Speaker 4>of water a day at a minimum. So when they've

505
00:24:37.720 --> 00:24:40.119
<v Speaker 4>got water in the flood control they release more, but

506
00:24:40.200 --> 00:24:43.119
<v Speaker 4>as a minimum, they have to release eleven million gawns

507
00:24:43.160 --> 00:24:45.880
<v Speaker 4>of water a day until there's no water left in

508
00:24:45.920 --> 00:24:50.079
<v Speaker 4>those lakes. And so that's their policy, and that policy

509
00:24:50.240 --> 00:24:52.640
<v Speaker 4>is it might as well be minted in the law

510
00:24:52.680 --> 00:24:55.240
<v Speaker 4>because that's how they operate the lakes. And so even

511
00:24:55.319 --> 00:24:59.079
<v Speaker 4>during our our drought last year, the heart of it,

512
00:24:59.119 --> 00:25:02.039
<v Speaker 4>when I think Copine got down to thirty something percent.

513
00:25:02.400 --> 00:25:04.640
<v Speaker 4>Hula was down in that threshold at one time as well,

514
00:25:05.079 --> 00:25:08.440
<v Speaker 4>they were still releasing eleven million gallons out of those lakes.

515
00:25:09.440 --> 00:25:10.680
<v Speaker 5>Every day every day.

516
00:25:10.680 --> 00:25:13.359
<v Speaker 4>So what we do, and part of is how we've

517
00:25:13.440 --> 00:25:16.519
<v Speaker 4>changed our operation on how we manage our water supply,

518
00:25:17.200 --> 00:25:20.759
<v Speaker 4>is that we used the original water supply at the

519
00:25:20.799 --> 00:25:24.440
<v Speaker 4>Caney Rivers. That's a little dam, low water dam and

520
00:25:24.480 --> 00:25:27.440
<v Speaker 4>intake structure right next to Kitti Park. So we pull

521
00:25:27.519 --> 00:25:30.640
<v Speaker 4>out of that every day twenty four hours a day,

522
00:25:30.720 --> 00:25:33.799
<v Speaker 4>seven days a week, full year, and so we use

523
00:25:33.880 --> 00:25:37.920
<v Speaker 4>that every day, which can supply water really for about

524
00:25:38.000 --> 00:25:42.119
<v Speaker 4>six seven months of the year solely and it's by itself.

525
00:25:43.119 --> 00:25:46.599
<v Speaker 4>But during the summer and spring months when consumption increases

526
00:25:46.640 --> 00:25:49.799
<v Speaker 4>because of outdoor water use, then we supplement with the

527
00:25:49.880 --> 00:25:54.400
<v Speaker 4>lakes at copane Cula as well as Hudson there. So

528
00:25:54.880 --> 00:25:57.960
<v Speaker 4>that's the way that we manage those sources to kind

529
00:25:58.000 --> 00:26:01.079
<v Speaker 4>of keep that as a fishing and hold as much

530
00:26:01.119 --> 00:26:03.839
<v Speaker 4>water in the lakes as possible. But ye, the Core

531
00:26:03.920 --> 00:26:06.920
<v Speaker 4>does release lakes from Hula and Copen every day, and

532
00:26:06.960 --> 00:26:08.880
<v Speaker 4>they do have websites where you can check to see

533
00:26:08.880 --> 00:26:12.640
<v Speaker 4>how much they're releasing and what those elevations are at

534
00:26:12.640 --> 00:26:15.640
<v Speaker 4>those fatigular lakes, but back on the aid of a

535
00:26:15.720 --> 00:26:18.680
<v Speaker 4>Mussa aquifer, so we've looked into that there is water

536
00:26:18.759 --> 00:26:21.960
<v Speaker 4>rights available. Unfortunately, the yield of that aquifer is not

537
00:26:22.160 --> 00:26:26.240
<v Speaker 4>very good. So if we had twenty five water wells,

538
00:26:26.240 --> 00:26:27.400
<v Speaker 4>that would yield us about.

539
00:26:27.240 --> 00:26:29.000
<v Speaker 5>One point four million gallons of water day.

540
00:26:29.480 --> 00:26:34.559
<v Speaker 4>So it's just not a very a very porous aquifer

541
00:26:35.000 --> 00:26:37.519
<v Speaker 4>and not a real high yield type offerer, so that

542
00:26:37.720 --> 00:26:42.039
<v Speaker 4>probably won't really suffice us to make a substantial improvement

543
00:26:42.079 --> 00:26:45.160
<v Speaker 4>with our long term water sources. We've also completed a

544
00:26:45.160 --> 00:26:49.279
<v Speaker 4>study looking at Call Lake and so those prices range

545
00:26:49.279 --> 00:26:51.519
<v Speaker 4>from about two hundred and fifty million to three hundred

546
00:26:51.559 --> 00:26:56.400
<v Speaker 4>million to build the pipeline and pump station to.

547
00:26:55.440 --> 00:26:56.759
<v Speaker 5>Get that water at Call Lake.

548
00:26:58.160 --> 00:27:00.359
<v Speaker 4>The one good thing at Call Lake is it more

549
00:27:00.400 --> 00:27:02.839
<v Speaker 4>water than we will need for the next two hundred

550
00:27:02.880 --> 00:27:05.279
<v Speaker 4>plus years, so it has a lot of water storage available.

551
00:27:06.680 --> 00:27:08.799
<v Speaker 4>The problem is just the cost and the distance to

552
00:27:09.240 --> 00:27:13.279
<v Speaker 4>potentially go secure that hula and copin it's going to

553
00:27:13.400 --> 00:27:17.240
<v Speaker 4>require additional congressional acts to get some traction and move

554
00:27:17.319 --> 00:27:21.960
<v Speaker 4>forward with that. Heal is by far the most cost

555
00:27:21.960 --> 00:27:25.400
<v Speaker 4>effective option for us to pursue. We already have infrastructure

556
00:27:25.440 --> 00:27:28.279
<v Speaker 4>there at the lake to get water to our water

557
00:27:28.319 --> 00:27:31.440
<v Speaker 4>supply sources and to the treatment plant, and so we've

558
00:27:31.480 --> 00:27:34.880
<v Speaker 4>really been focusing on HULA to facilitate a flood control

559
00:27:35.559 --> 00:27:38.839
<v Speaker 4>reallocation and different options that we may look at that

560
00:27:39.640 --> 00:27:42.640
<v Speaker 4>but by far HEAL is the most cost effective option

561
00:27:42.759 --> 00:27:45.920
<v Speaker 4>for us to pursue. But we will have a Water

562
00:27:45.960 --> 00:27:48.759
<v Speaker 4>Resources Committee meeting probably in the next month or so,

563
00:27:49.640 --> 00:27:51.960
<v Speaker 4>depending on when we can get the committee members together,

564
00:27:52.079 --> 00:27:56.039
<v Speaker 4>to go over in detail what these options are and

565
00:27:56.079 --> 00:27:59.559
<v Speaker 4>what the costs have been determined at so that they

566
00:27:59.599 --> 00:28:04.960
<v Speaker 4>can get that information and potentially recommend a path forward

567
00:28:05.039 --> 00:28:09.319
<v Speaker 4>with one or more of those. But that's really where

568
00:28:09.359 --> 00:28:13.599
<v Speaker 4>the water supply stands today and that we we're still

569
00:28:13.599 --> 00:28:16.240
<v Speaker 4>pursuing it. We need additional water rights for a long

570
00:28:16.319 --> 00:28:19.200
<v Speaker 4>term perspective. We're good fry for the next fifteen to

571
00:28:19.200 --> 00:28:23.480
<v Speaker 4>twenty years, certainly even during a significant drought, because even

572
00:28:23.519 --> 00:28:26.720
<v Speaker 4>this last drout, which was the second second second worst

573
00:28:26.799 --> 00:28:31.880
<v Speaker 4>drout in history of these areas, that our water supply

574
00:28:32.160 --> 00:28:34.960
<v Speaker 4>only dipped down to fifty six percent, so oneh two

575
00:28:35.079 --> 00:28:40.119
<v Speaker 4>is less than twenty percent. With this last really almost

576
00:28:40.200 --> 00:28:42.720
<v Speaker 4>drought of record we were down to fifty six percent,

577
00:28:42.759 --> 00:28:44.640
<v Speaker 4>so the things that we are doing to manage it

578
00:28:45.480 --> 00:28:49.480
<v Speaker 4>and to conserve water are working. We certainly know that

579
00:28:49.519 --> 00:28:52.640
<v Speaker 4>we need to get additional water supply for long term

580
00:28:53.079 --> 00:28:56.240
<v Speaker 4>needs in the future, but those are things that we

581
00:28:56.279 --> 00:28:59.680
<v Speaker 4>will continue to move forward with and address. One other

582
00:28:59.680 --> 00:29:01.759
<v Speaker 4>thing do want to note here on the last few

583
00:29:01.759 --> 00:29:06.000
<v Speaker 4>minutes of our time here is that we are pursuing

584
00:29:06.400 --> 00:29:09.119
<v Speaker 4>an additional source that we have talked about here recently,

585
00:29:09.200 --> 00:29:12.559
<v Speaker 4>which is water reuse. So we've talked about that in

586
00:29:12.680 --> 00:29:15.799
<v Speaker 4>great detail in regards to the wastewater treatment plant expansion

587
00:29:16.680 --> 00:29:19.200
<v Speaker 4>that will generate us about four million goawns of water

588
00:29:19.319 --> 00:29:22.880
<v Speaker 4>day that we could potentially reuse once that effort is complete.

589
00:29:23.440 --> 00:29:26.200
<v Speaker 4>We technically don't have that available to us just yet,

590
00:29:26.480 --> 00:29:30.200
<v Speaker 4>since we have to expand and add additional treatment to

591
00:29:30.240 --> 00:29:34.039
<v Speaker 4>the plant to facilitate that water stream to us. But

592
00:29:34.160 --> 00:29:36.160
<v Speaker 4>we are looking at construction to start in twenty twenty

593
00:29:36.240 --> 00:29:38.359
<v Speaker 4>six and be complete by twenty thirty, So by twenty

594
00:29:38.440 --> 00:29:41.240
<v Speaker 4>thirty we'll have another four point one million gowns to.

595
00:29:41.160 --> 00:29:42.759
<v Speaker 5>Add to our portfolio.

596
00:29:43.160 --> 00:29:44.839
<v Speaker 4>But we're still looking to get at least ten to

597
00:29:44.880 --> 00:29:47.960
<v Speaker 4>sixteen million goawns more of water day which would suffice

598
00:29:48.039 --> 00:29:49.519
<v Speaker 4>us for the next one hundred years.

599
00:29:49.960 --> 00:29:51.000
<v Speaker 2>Very good gentlemen.

600
00:29:51.039 --> 00:29:53.559
<v Speaker 3>I want to thank you for coming in and bringing

601
00:29:53.640 --> 00:29:56.119
<v Speaker 3>us up to date on all things city, on city matters.

602
00:29:56.160 --> 00:29:57.839
<v Speaker 2>Thank you very much for having yourself a great week

603
00:29:58.079 --> 00:29:58.160
<v Speaker 2>so
