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<v Speaker 1>You're watching brand new faces. I'm your host, Matt, and

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<v Speaker 1>tonight I'm joined by a very special guest. Now we've

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<v Speaker 1>talked about it a million times on every episode. The

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<v Speaker 1>bare minimum you could do is at least follow these

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<v Speaker 1>folks on social media, help them get those numbers up,

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<v Speaker 1>promote them. Then they could go out, you know, offer

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<v Speaker 1>a little more to these companies that only want to

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<v Speaker 1>see numbers nowadays. But when payday rolls around, you go ooh,

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<v Speaker 1>I got a little bit of cash in my pocket.

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<v Speaker 1>I want you head on over to only fans and

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<v Speaker 1>follow Swinging Vixen Jenna. The Twitter is swing Vixen Jenna,

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<v Speaker 1>but the only fans is Swinging Vixen Jenna. Ladies and gentlemen,

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<v Speaker 1>My guest for the evening, Jenna Jenna. Nice to meet you.

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<v Speaker 2>Hi. I'm so glad to be here.

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<v Speaker 1>I am so glad to have you here.

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<v Speaker 2>So flattered when you asked, so well, you.

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<v Speaker 1>Know what, And let me give you real quick and

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<v Speaker 1>to the audience too, which I do often, But let

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<v Speaker 1>me give you my criteria. It's not just about are

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<v Speaker 1>you hot and online? To me, it's are you part

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<v Speaker 1>of a lifestyle that's interesting? Are you hot and are

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<v Speaker 1>you online? But also are you pursuing this as either

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<v Speaker 1>a fun hobby that you enjoy or something you know

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<v Speaker 1>you see as a career. I don't want just to

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<v Speaker 1>run a mill. A hot girl comes along and she

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<v Speaker 1>wants to pop on and then we never see her again.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, going through your profile and checking everything out

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<v Speaker 1>about you, I love what I.

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<v Speaker 2>See, so thank you. Let me start hearing.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, let me say that, and then let me start

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<v Speaker 1>with the third rude of question you can ask a woman. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I know what it is. Okay. The first rude is

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<v Speaker 1>question which I am not asking you to answer, but

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<v Speaker 1>I have seen this live in person. First rudeis question

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<v Speaker 1>you can ask a woman is are you pregnant? That

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<v Speaker 1>is rude. You should not ask a woman that. No,

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<v Speaker 1>you don't have to answer. The second ruti ist question

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<v Speaker 1>you can ask a woman is how much you weigh?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't ask that one either. Too many slaps in

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<v Speaker 1>the face for that one.

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<v Speaker 2>That's awesome.

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<v Speaker 1>The third row this question you can ask a woman

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<v Speaker 1>is can I ask how old you are? Je?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, I am forty two.

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<v Speaker 1>You look damn good for forty two. Let me just

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<v Speaker 1>say that.

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<v Speaker 2>I had to check today. I was like, I think

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<v Speaker 2>I'm forty one, No, forty teen.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm thirty eight, and you start like counting the numbers.

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<v Speaker 1>You actually your things matter, It doesn't matter anymore. Let

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<v Speaker 1>me ask you.

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<v Speaker 2>All right.

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<v Speaker 1>I grew up listening to rap music, and I do

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<v Speaker 1>not understand what any of the measurements are even to

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<v Speaker 1>this day. So I came up with my own little metrics.

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<v Speaker 1>I wanted to run by. Could I ask you what

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<v Speaker 1>your height is?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, I'm five to two, okay.

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<v Speaker 1>Could I ask you what that wonderful cup size is?

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's c Okay, Okay, you know that's what

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<v Speaker 2>they tell me when you get measured. You never know. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>all right, that's what I buy.

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<v Speaker 1>And not necessarily my king, but I have no issue

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<v Speaker 1>with it whatsoever. Can I ask you what your shoe

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<v Speaker 1>size is?

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<v Speaker 2>I am seven and a half.

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<v Speaker 1>Wonderful okay, Now, Jenna, take me through it. Can you

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<v Speaker 1>tell me how you decided to cross over from Vanilla

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<v Speaker 1>into the adult entertainment industry in whatever format? Was the

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<v Speaker 1>first thing you did? Were you camming? Did you strip

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<v Speaker 1>at some point when you were nineteen? What was the

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<v Speaker 1>first time when you crossed that barrier from Vanilla quote

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<v Speaker 1>unquote vanilla life into this world.

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<v Speaker 2>So it was when I hit forty. We have kind

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<v Speaker 2>of a crazy story. Up until forty. We were involved

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<v Speaker 2>in church heavily, and then we left that and or

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<v Speaker 2>and after that we kind of got to the point

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<v Speaker 2>where we decided we're not going to let people tell

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<v Speaker 2>us what to do anymore. And so at that point,

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't know anything about the I'd heard about swinging,

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<v Speaker 2>but I didn't know what the lifestyle was at all.

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<v Speaker 2>But my husband had kind of mentioned like a few

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<v Speaker 2>things here and there about like bringing a guy in

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<v Speaker 2>or things like that, and it just got me super curious.

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<v Speaker 2>But the kind of person I am is like I

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<v Speaker 2>need information, and so I just got on the internet

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<v Speaker 2>and I got on podcasts and like just started listening

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<v Speaker 2>to a lot of like swing podcasts, super body forward podcasts,

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<v Speaker 2>and I got all the information out there. It took

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<v Speaker 2>me probably like a month to kind of like get

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<v Speaker 2>all the information. And then one of the podcasts was like,

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<v Speaker 2>you can't do anything else except just try, and so

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<v Speaker 2>that's what I mean, and my husband decided to do

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<v Speaker 2>is just kind of like jump in the area that

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<v Speaker 2>we live in is super close to like this amazing

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<v Speaker 2>resort and a lifestyle resort, I guess is a good

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<v Speaker 2>thing to call it. And yeah, we just jumped in

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<v Speaker 2>kind of body first, let.

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<v Speaker 1>Me ask you, so you mentioned a few things in there,

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<v Speaker 1>and I really want to there's a lot of meat

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<v Speaker 1>on that bone. Let me just ask one thing though.

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<v Speaker 1>You said you were listening to swinging podcasts but also

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<v Speaker 1>body positivity podcast Was that something you had to overcome?

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<v Speaker 1>Did you have any issue with your body? Yeah? Would

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<v Speaker 1>you mind? And was it something you I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>if you can tell. I'm a little bit of a

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<v Speaker 1>chubbier gentleman myself, and I always have no trust me.

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<v Speaker 1>I am the doctor, lets me know, but uh, it

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<v Speaker 1>is always something that's like on my mind. Like I

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<v Speaker 1>interview some of the most beautiful women in the world,

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<v Speaker 1>and if any of them offered themselves to me, even

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<v Speaker 1>if my wife allowed it, I'd be so no, no, no,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want you to see me without my shirt on.

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<v Speaker 1>So what kind of body positivity did you have to develop?

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<v Speaker 1>And when you got into this lifestyle, how did it

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<v Speaker 1>help you even more start developing it?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? So the culture that I grew up in was

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<v Speaker 2>very like cover up, like keep that we as the

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<v Speaker 2>girls and a the women were responsible for the thoughts

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<v Speaker 2>of men around us, which is just it's like a

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<v Speaker 2>horrible way of thinking. And so yeah, I remember. It

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<v Speaker 2>kind of makes me mad now because I'm like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>those were the best, Like that was my best body,

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<v Speaker 2>and I had to sit here and cover it up.

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<v Speaker 2>And so I just grew up thinking I couldn't show anything,

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<v Speaker 2>so I wore sure, you know. We I listened to

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<v Speaker 2>one of your One of the your podcasts that stuck

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<v Speaker 2>with me was one where a girl talked about how

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<v Speaker 2>she was Mormon, and so I grew up. It doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>really exactly matter but Christian, but and yeah, so we

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<v Speaker 2>I just always covered up, and I had low self

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<v Speaker 2>esteem for someone that I feel like I shouldn't have

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<v Speaker 2>had low self esteem, you know. And and I just

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<v Speaker 2>had a lot of pressure on me to do the

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<v Speaker 2>right thing and be the right kind of person and

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<v Speaker 2>dressed a certain way. And yeah, so so coming from

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<v Speaker 2>that to this where it's very women led, it's very

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<v Speaker 2>consent based, which is just like I mean, from the

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<v Speaker 2>outside looking in, you wouldn't think that, but it is.

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<v Speaker 2>The swinging lifestyle is very consent driven, very woman driven,

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<v Speaker 2>and from the second really that we started going, I

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<v Speaker 2>just felt more accepting on my own body, accepting on

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<v Speaker 2>my flaws, like excited to be around other people. When

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<v Speaker 2>we went to the resort for the first time, you

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<v Speaker 2>just see all kinds of people and all kinds of bodies,

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<v Speaker 2>and everybody is just you know, like you might not

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<v Speaker 2>on the inside, you might be like, oh, I don't

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I don't feel my hottest, but like everybody

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<v Speaker 2>just looks like they feel like their best self, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>And so yeah, it's given me a confidence that yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I have never had in my forty years, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>forty two now.

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<v Speaker 1>But let me okay, let me let me ask this.

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<v Speaker 1>So at forty he does I totally understand the pushing

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<v Speaker 1>back on the you know, how you were raised, or

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<v Speaker 1>the church situation. If it's overly strict and this and that.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, you guys could have like went out and

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<v Speaker 1>just drank too many beers one night. It seems like

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<v Speaker 1>a and I'm not down, I'm not talking down on

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<v Speaker 1>it at all. It seems like a drastic to shift

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<v Speaker 1>to go from this is a very strict religion. And

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<v Speaker 1>then the husband taps you on the shoulder and goes

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<v Speaker 1>you've ever been double team though, maybe we should try that.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, was it was it conversations? Was it gradual?

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<v Speaker 1>Was it or were you guys just so sick of

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<v Speaker 1>it that it was like, fuck it, we're going to

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<v Speaker 1>do the opposite.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that was part of it. I think part

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<v Speaker 2>of it was fuck it, We're going to do the opposite.

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<v Speaker 2>So the what we were in the in the church

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<v Speaker 2>was my husband was a pastor, and he was a

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<v Speaker 2>pastor for uh so it's a good little tagline for

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<v Speaker 2>like it was something. It was over ten years and

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<v Speaker 2>so towards I would say, like maybe five years before

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<v Speaker 2>we left, we just started seeing things that we just

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<v Speaker 2>didn't think we're right as far as like sexuality, mainly

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<v Speaker 2>that that was like a big thing. My husband's twin

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<v Speaker 2>brother is gay and he's a drag queen and so

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<v Speaker 2>but when we were taught like that's not okay, and

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<v Speaker 2>we're like no, no, no, here, we I were looking

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<v Speaker 2>at this person, he's amazing, you know whatever. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it's definitely. Yeah, we just kind of got to a

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<v Speaker 2>place where we were like screw it, you know, like

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<v Speaker 2>and there was a lot of that we want to

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<v Speaker 2>do the opposite of what we were, you know. But

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<v Speaker 2>I would say that my husband probably was more familiar

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<v Speaker 2>with the scene, and you know, because we were also

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<v Speaker 2>we also were brought up taught that pornography was of

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<v Speaker 2>the devil, you know, and so like. But you know,

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<v Speaker 2>we got out of the church and were like, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>this is great, you know, like and people they're having

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<v Speaker 2>a great time, and like, you know, so yeah, it's yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>we just got I would say, like the last couple

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<v Speaker 2>of years of us being in the church, we got

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<v Speaker 2>to the point where we wanted to like explore different

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<v Speaker 2>things about our sexuality and that's not okay in that

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<v Speaker 2>kind of arena.

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<v Speaker 1>So sure, not describing your environment, but just in general,

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<v Speaker 1>there comes times when people do something so much and

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<v Speaker 1>are taught this one specific thing, and then you have

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<v Speaker 1>an outside source, almost like your your brother in law

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<v Speaker 1>in this case, where you go, no, I know him,

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<v Speaker 1>he's not evil, he's not a bad person. So what

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<v Speaker 1>else are you twisting a little bit? What else you Oh? Yeah, right.

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<v Speaker 2>It was a huge culture shock for me.

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<v Speaker 1>Sure, So yeah, tell me about the first experience then

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<v Speaker 1>that you may have had with someone other than your husband.

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<v Speaker 1>Was it male, female, who initiated, who set it? Up.

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<v Speaker 1>Did the husband set it up? Did you set it up?

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<v Speaker 1>And tell me your emotions going into it?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, okay, so we decide. You know, I did all

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<v Speaker 2>my research, listen to all these podcasts, you know, read

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<v Speaker 2>all these articles, and then I was like, Grant, you

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<v Speaker 2>he said.

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<v Speaker 1>Husband.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, Husband, Okay, wait, I might have to recheck. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>ask me the question asked.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't remember the question. Pick it up from Okay, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, okay, So our first experience, go.

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<v Speaker 1>Ahead, first experience. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So our first experience was we had decided we were

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<v Speaker 2>going to go on Valentine's Day to this local resort

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<v Speaker 2>confident everybody, you know, was. So we sat down on

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<v Speaker 2>So the day drag drag on and I got more confident,

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<v Speaker 2>and then we decided to go into uh, I guess

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<v Speaker 2>and so we went in there. They have different side,

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<v Speaker 2>facing my I ass out. We call it my billboard.

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<v Speaker 2>I just kind of, you know, to track people. So

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<v Speaker 2>we were doing that and we had had a conversation

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<v Speaker 2>don't even have to fuck me, you know, like let's

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<v Speaker 2>we were there, I was getting the head and then

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<v Speaker 2>I just go, you know, I really like someone to

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<v Speaker 2>and like just kind of didn one of these things

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<v Speaker 2>for her husband and didn't even speak the same language.

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<v Speaker 2>I couldn't pick him out of a crowd, uh, And

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<v Speaker 2>it was just like this amazing experience came in. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>we fucked and that was that. And then the next

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<v Speaker 2>weekend we were headed to the same resort and I

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<v Speaker 2>just trust me, you know, and you know, he's trying

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<v Speaker 2>not to get excited. And we get there and we

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<v Speaker 2>and I've done this. I do this thing where I

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<v Speaker 2>don't look up, so I just kind of walk and

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<v Speaker 2>kind of keep my eyes down. And then my husband

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<v Speaker 2>wife kind of locked eyes and they were like, you

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<v Speaker 2>want to, you want to? And that was it. And

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<v Speaker 2>from there we've just kind of dove into this lifestyle

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<v Speaker 2>of just fun and learning to get to know other

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<v Speaker 2>people through this through having sex, you know, which is

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<v Speaker 2>coming from the church where taught that sex is like

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<v Speaker 2>this gift and you can only give it to a

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<v Speaker 2>few people when every time you give it to somebody

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<v Speaker 2>it breaks you know, it's like your heart and then

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<v Speaker 2>it breaks pieces off every time you have sex. And

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<v Speaker 2>we're like in this community, we're like, no, that's not it.

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<v Speaker 2>It's literally just fun. It's literally just sex and it's

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<v Speaker 2>fun and we're getting to know these amazing people and yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>so pretty exciting.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah that's awesome. Let me ask you, so, so, anytime

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<v Speaker 1>I've ever heard a threesome pitched in life with normal people,

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<v Speaker 1>it's been like, not normal, We're not normal, We're fun.

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<v Speaker 2>I get okay.

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<v Speaker 1>With vanilla people, it's always been, you know, a dude

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<v Speaker 1>going like, would I let my chick and another girl

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<v Speaker 1>blow me? Yeah, sure I would. No one ever goes

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<v Speaker 1>to the second guy first initially, right.

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<v Speaker 2>I know, generally realize that.

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<v Speaker 1>So I have to ask you. It seemed like your

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<v Speaker 1>husband was willing right away, and you were receptive and

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<v Speaker 1>receiving Sorry for the pun, right away, but it seemed

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<v Speaker 1>like you were a little bit questionable at first on

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<v Speaker 1>him going with someone else. What did that did that

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<v Speaker 1>come from? A jealousy thing, a fear thing. Was it,

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<v Speaker 1>Like is it in your head like he's gonna like

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<v Speaker 1>her better? I fucking know it, right.

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<v Speaker 2>All of that, all of that, And honestly, so one

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<v Speaker 2>of the things that happened when we got into this

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<v Speaker 2>lifestyle is my my brain just went like opened up,

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<v Speaker 2>like my world was opened up. And I'm actually at

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<v Speaker 2>a point where, like I'm seeing a therapist because there

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<v Speaker 2>are things about that, like you know, you said jealousy, fear,

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<v Speaker 2>Like I did have a fear that he would find

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<v Speaker 2>somebody that was better and leave me. I did have

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<v Speaker 2>a fear that somebody else was gonna fuck him better,

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<v Speaker 2>and he was gonna he was gonna leave our twenty

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<v Speaker 2>five plus years together to go with somebody else, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>And so we actually came up with the term for it.

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<v Speaker 2>We call it deconstructing monogamy, where like, you know, we've

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<v Speaker 2>been taught this one way and this is the only

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<v Speaker 2>way to do it and all of that. So the

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<v Speaker 2>thing about like what you said, I didn't realize that

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<v Speaker 2>it's more common for people to do like female female

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<v Speaker 2>male first, like to go in and have the female

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<v Speaker 2>because we have been in it for about a year

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<v Speaker 2>and a half now and we just recently have done

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<v Speaker 2>a MFF you know, a male female female yea, And

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<v Speaker 2>it just took a lot for me to learn that.

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<v Speaker 2>I think the biggest thing, like I was saying before,

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<v Speaker 2>is that like I was taught that sex was this

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<v Speaker 2>heavily like feeling, yeah and romantic and yeah, so that's

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<v Speaker 2>how I how I looked at it. And my husband

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<v Speaker 2>that's not how, you know, Like he was like, no,

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<v Speaker 2>this is like I want you to share you I

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<v Speaker 2>would I want other people to have this great experience.

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<v Speaker 2>I want you to have this great experience with other people.

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<v Speaker 2>And and I couldn't figure it took me a while

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<v Speaker 2>to like feel and I'm still definitely figuring that out.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, like now I can I use the example

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<v Speaker 2>to my therapist. I'm like, I could be in a

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<v Speaker 2>room and it could be my husband and two thousand

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<v Speaker 2>women and they're just fucking and I don't get jealous.

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<v Speaker 2>But the second he like puts somebody's hair behind her ear,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, what gon leave me? You know, and she

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<v Speaker 2>So you know, I'm learning, I'm learning things like that.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, yes, it's really it's really interesting that like

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<v Speaker 2>I came into this a little backwards.

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<v Speaker 1>Sure, you know, sure it. You know what was interesting though,

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<v Speaker 1>is we can never apply to ourselves or to other

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<v Speaker 1>people the same standard we apply to ourselves. In this way,

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<v Speaker 1>when you are with your husband and a stranger comes

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<v Speaker 1>up with his wife and he starts fucking from behind,

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<v Speaker 1>I bet not even once did you think I might

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<v Speaker 1>leave my husband for this general It never came into

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<v Speaker 1>your head. No. If I thought of my wife setting

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<v Speaker 1>something up for me to get blown by another woman,

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<v Speaker 1>I would probably have an amazing time. And the whole

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<v Speaker 1>time I would go. Do you know how much I

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<v Speaker 1>would not want to break this woman into my jokes

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<v Speaker 1>to get her to laugh at shit? Do you know

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<v Speaker 1>how to.

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<v Speaker 2>Tell her all your dad all your dad jokes? You know?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah? Yeah, I do all my quirks and habits and

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<v Speaker 1>everything else. I don't want to do that to someone else.

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<v Speaker 1>I already have that person for me, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So but I couldn't. I knew that logically, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>but I couldn't get it through you know, emotionally. I

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<v Speaker 2>think is probably the best way to say it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And then what was the way that you were

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<v Speaker 1>able to kind of at least push it? Is? It

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<v Speaker 1>is it communication. Is it him saying something along those

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<v Speaker 1>lines like I would never leave you blah blah blahlah

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<v Speaker 1>blah or yeah, go ahead, go ahead, what does it?

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<v Speaker 2>So he's a saint, like honestly, and I think every

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<v Speaker 2>day that we I mean, no relationship is perfect, obviously,

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<v Speaker 2>but I every day that we've been together, he's told

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<v Speaker 2>me how beautiful I am and like all of that,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'll just like, okay, you know things, but like,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, being in this kind of atmosphere, I'm like, no,

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<v Speaker 2>he really does think that, Like I'm the beautiful that's

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<v Speaker 2>not a word, the most beautiful person here, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>Like and like like if you and your wife went,

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<v Speaker 2>you would think she's the most you know, like you said,

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<v Speaker 2>You're like, I wouldn't trade what I had for anything,

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<v Speaker 2>you know. So yeah, it took, honestly, therapy and I've

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<v Speaker 2>just started therapy, but her helping me refrain things and

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<v Speaker 2>just think of yeah, just think of humans in kind

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<v Speaker 2>of a different way too, you know. And and like

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<v Speaker 2>I think one thing that I was taught with the

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<v Speaker 2>church is that other women are like my enemy. And

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<v Speaker 2>because those women are going to make my boyfriend or

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<v Speaker 2>husband sin or stumble or whatever. So like we were

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<v Speaker 2>almost taught this very hateful way of being around other women,

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<v Speaker 2>and so coming into this lifestyle where like women are

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<v Speaker 2>champion for other women, I'm like, oh my god, I

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<v Speaker 2>love this, you know, like and getting into like the

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<v Speaker 2>world that I am now, like you know, the the

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<v Speaker 2>only fans side and that kind of world. I've met

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<v Speaker 2>some of the most kind people who are like, here's

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<v Speaker 2>what I did. You know, here's exactly what I'm doing,

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<v Speaker 2>like giving me all of this information to be successful.

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<v Speaker 2>You know. It's just like a my husband and I

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<v Speaker 2>have been staying since we got in the lifestyle that

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<v Speaker 2>the community, the lifestyle community is literally what a church

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<v Speaker 2>should be, like, you know, like the non judgmental like

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you know what it is. It's funny you describe

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<v Speaker 1>something there that makes a lot of sense. It is

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<v Speaker 1>in your religious organization, but then there's other cultural organizations

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<v Speaker 1>that do the same thing, and governments and whatever that

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<v Speaker 1>kind of suppress women.

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 1>We don't want you guys being friends and getting too

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<v Speaker 1>much fucking power. Okay, we don't. We don't want you

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<v Speaker 1>getting too much power. Yeah, because the point of industry.

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<v Speaker 1>You see what happens when you get too much power.

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<v Speaker 1>It's you run the roost. You guys set the prices,

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<v Speaker 1>you do this and that. So coming from areas with strong,

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<v Speaker 1>powerful men, yeah, it makes sense to go. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>she probably talks shit about you, or you don't want

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<v Speaker 1>to be her friend. You want to just listen to me,

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<v Speaker 1>right right right?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, And it's so crazy because I'm like, no, like what,

423
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<v Speaker 2>Like I have a friend that's very successful and she's

424
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<v Speaker 2>just like I said, she's the most giving, like she

425
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<v Speaker 2>wants to offer her help. And any woman I would say,

426
00:22:55.960 --> 00:22:58.160
<v Speaker 2>of any of the women that I've met so far,

427
00:22:58.440 --> 00:23:02.440
<v Speaker 2>have been just like that, not met any hateful people

428
00:23:02.599 --> 00:23:05.039
<v Speaker 2>or like, you know, I'm not gonna tell you this

429
00:23:05.200 --> 00:23:08.359
<v Speaker 2>because you might do better than me or something. You know.

430
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<v Speaker 2>It's like no, Like the friend that's kind of super

431
00:23:11.880 --> 00:23:14.680
<v Speaker 2>helpful to me, she's like, oh, you're gonna as soon

432
00:23:14.680 --> 00:23:17.160
<v Speaker 2>as you start showing your face, you're gonna kill you know,

433
00:23:17.279 --> 00:23:20.720
<v Speaker 2>like just like supportive and like kind. I don't know,

434
00:23:20.799 --> 00:23:23.559
<v Speaker 2>it's just no, it's a culture I'm not used to,

435
00:23:23.680 --> 00:23:25.279
<v Speaker 2>and I love it.

436
00:23:25.039 --> 00:23:28.559
<v Speaker 1>It makes it makes total sense, it really does. Like

437
00:23:28.799 --> 00:23:32.279
<v Speaker 1>you know, once there's no longer a need for like

438
00:23:32.319 --> 00:23:35.440
<v Speaker 1>the trying to find scraps where you're in an industry

439
00:23:35.440 --> 00:23:38.960
<v Speaker 1>where you guys are in the best possible way possible

440
00:23:39.200 --> 00:23:41.920
<v Speaker 1>of the product. You know, you guys are what is

441
00:23:42.079 --> 00:23:44.319
<v Speaker 1>for sale. That sounds so bad, but it's not, I know,

442
00:23:44.640 --> 00:23:48.000
<v Speaker 1>you know, in my general mind, I just mean the

443
00:23:48.079 --> 00:23:51.640
<v Speaker 1>concept of it. Whatever. When when that happens, there's a

444
00:23:51.640 --> 00:23:53.359
<v Speaker 1>lot of people who've had a lot of power for

445
00:23:53.440 --> 00:23:56.720
<v Speaker 1>a long time who start realizing I'm losing grasp on things.

446
00:23:57.240 --> 00:23:59.720
<v Speaker 1>And you'll see that in this industry too, in terms

447
00:23:59.759 --> 00:24:03.000
<v Speaker 1>of booking new girls a lot early on for mainstream

448
00:24:03.039 --> 00:24:05.759
<v Speaker 1>stuff and then letting it drop off for a while.

449
00:24:05.839 --> 00:24:08.400
<v Speaker 1>And if it drops off long enough, maybe the prices

450
00:24:08.400 --> 00:24:10.200
<v Speaker 1>come down or the rates come down, or this and that.

451
00:24:10.799 --> 00:24:13.359
<v Speaker 1>But things like only fans, things like fans ly, things

452
00:24:13.440 --> 00:24:17.920
<v Speaker 1>like chatterbait, any of the individual things. You are setting

453
00:24:18.160 --> 00:24:21.559
<v Speaker 1>your own standard for what you expect for the work

454
00:24:21.640 --> 00:24:25.160
<v Speaker 1>you deliver. Yep, it is. It's funny. And I am

455
00:24:25.200 --> 00:24:27.880
<v Speaker 1>not making this a political point whatsoever, And I'm not

456
00:24:27.880 --> 00:24:29.000
<v Speaker 1>going to point anything.

457
00:24:28.680 --> 00:24:29.960
<v Speaker 2>Out sound like that. I don't think.

458
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<v Speaker 1>Well, I'm gonna make this point here. It is one

459
00:24:33.319 --> 00:24:39.200
<v Speaker 1>of the greatest examples of capitalism is this industry where

460
00:24:39.839 --> 00:24:43.079
<v Speaker 1>if you're the girl who pops on and is tweeting

461
00:24:43.119 --> 00:24:45.960
<v Speaker 1>twenty hours a day and editing your videos and shooting

462
00:24:45.960 --> 00:24:49.240
<v Speaker 1>them and scheduling everything, you are going to be rich.

463
00:24:49.319 --> 00:24:51.480
<v Speaker 1>There is a market for you, right.

464
00:24:51.400 --> 00:24:55.799
<v Speaker 2>Oh, and there's so much like there's not It's like

465
00:24:56.680 --> 00:24:59.000
<v Speaker 2>we're not going to run out, you know, like sure,

466
00:24:59.079 --> 00:25:02.960
<v Speaker 2>like so somebody can have three million followers. Somebody also

467
00:25:03.000 --> 00:25:06.160
<v Speaker 2>can have three million different followers, you know, or even

468
00:25:06.200 --> 00:25:09.240
<v Speaker 2>the same whatever, but sure, yeah, there's a room for everyone.

469
00:25:09.519 --> 00:25:13.039
<v Speaker 1>It's it's the greatest version of to me, at least,

470
00:25:13.039 --> 00:25:15.920
<v Speaker 1>it's one of the greatest versions of how much work

471
00:25:16.000 --> 00:25:19.200
<v Speaker 1>you put in matters to how much you get out

472
00:25:19.240 --> 00:25:21.759
<v Speaker 1>from it. And a lot of you girls are just

473
00:25:21.880 --> 00:25:24.119
<v Speaker 1>killing it. And I could not be happier when I

474
00:25:24.160 --> 00:25:26.640
<v Speaker 1>see you and only fans model saying I made fifty

475
00:25:26.640 --> 00:25:28.559
<v Speaker 1>four million. Now, for a second, I go, what the

476
00:25:28.599 --> 00:25:32.359
<v Speaker 1>fuck am I doing wrong? But but then I see

477
00:25:32.400 --> 00:25:34.640
<v Speaker 1>the tits and I go, oh, yeah, that that's why

478
00:25:34.559 --> 00:25:39.880
<v Speaker 1>I'll have this. Yeah, So talk me through this. How

479
00:25:39.880 --> 00:25:42.559
<v Speaker 1>do we then decide now that we are doing this

480
00:25:42.599 --> 00:25:45.359
<v Speaker 1>in our personal life, we're enjoying this, we're engaging with this,

481
00:25:45.960 --> 00:25:48.319
<v Speaker 1>How do we take it the next step further? How

482
00:25:48.319 --> 00:25:50.799
<v Speaker 1>do we go I need everyone to see this ass

483
00:25:51.319 --> 00:25:56.200
<v Speaker 1>And And was that another level of fear and another

484
00:25:56.319 --> 00:25:59.559
<v Speaker 1>level of locking in like body comfort and all that

485
00:25:59.680 --> 00:26:01.519
<v Speaker 1>tell me about your decision to go into that.

486
00:26:01.920 --> 00:26:06.720
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So so one of the podcasts that I listened

487
00:26:06.720 --> 00:26:10.359
<v Speaker 2>to she also has and only fans, and and they've

488
00:26:10.640 --> 00:26:12.599
<v Speaker 2>her and her husband or her and her husband have

489
00:26:12.640 --> 00:26:15.480
<v Speaker 2>been only fans and they've gone on there and like,

490
00:26:16.559 --> 00:26:19.279
<v Speaker 2>you know, told how to be successful and things like that.

491
00:26:20.839 --> 00:26:26.599
<v Speaker 2>And we have figured out that we like being watched.

492
00:26:26.640 --> 00:26:29.240
<v Speaker 2>I think we've known that for a while and so

493
00:26:29.480 --> 00:26:33.880
<v Speaker 2>and we have always like videotaped ourselves, and then we

494
00:26:33.920 --> 00:26:36.640
<v Speaker 2>get into this lifestyle and like other people, they're like,

495
00:26:36.960 --> 00:26:38.599
<v Speaker 2>let's do it, you know, we want to look back

496
00:26:38.640 --> 00:26:41.920
<v Speaker 2>on these things. And so we got to the point

497
00:26:41.960 --> 00:26:45.480
<v Speaker 2>where we're like, we might be making we can maybe

498
00:26:45.519 --> 00:26:48.599
<v Speaker 2>make money for this, you know. And but I had

499
00:26:48.599 --> 00:26:54.359
<v Speaker 2>a fear of the way that we left the church

500
00:26:54.480 --> 00:27:03.440
<v Speaker 2>slash were forcibly removed was very embarrassing and like dehumanizing,

501
00:27:04.039 --> 00:27:07.400
<v Speaker 2>and so I knew that I wanted to start in

502
00:27:07.519 --> 00:27:12.640
<v Speaker 2>only fans actually read this really good, good book. I

503
00:27:12.680 --> 00:27:15.279
<v Speaker 2>don't know it's called hold On, I got it right there.

504
00:27:18.160 --> 00:27:21.960
<v Speaker 2>Margot's got money problems, Margot's Got money troubles, and they

505
00:27:21.960 --> 00:27:25.039
<v Speaker 2>actually have a TV show on Netflix and it's amazing. Anyways,

506
00:27:25.359 --> 00:27:28.920
<v Speaker 2>joined this book club. We started reading them and she,

507
00:27:30.559 --> 00:27:31.880
<v Speaker 2>I guess I don't want to give away the book,

508
00:27:31.920 --> 00:27:36.119
<v Speaker 2>but basically she starts doing only fans and kind of

509
00:27:36.960 --> 00:27:38.640
<v Speaker 2>goes through a lot of the same feelings that I'm

510
00:27:38.640 --> 00:27:41.640
<v Speaker 2>going through, where like, oh, like I have this confidence,

511
00:27:41.680 --> 00:27:43.759
<v Speaker 2>Oh I can like set my own rights, like I

512
00:27:43.799 --> 00:27:46.400
<v Speaker 2>can determine my own worth, you know, things like that,

513
00:27:47.799 --> 00:27:51.400
<v Speaker 2>and so that kind of got my brain thinking about it,

514
00:27:51.759 --> 00:27:55.359
<v Speaker 2>and then we went to the yeah, let's just try it,

515
00:27:55.440 --> 00:28:01.680
<v Speaker 2>like you know, what's the harm. And honestly, until very

516
00:28:01.799 --> 00:28:04.839
<v Speaker 2>very recently, we were you can only see my face

517
00:28:04.880 --> 00:28:10.160
<v Speaker 2>behind a paywall, and I'm I just now have got

518
00:28:10.400 --> 00:28:12.839
<v Speaker 2>like an offer to do like kind of step up

519
00:28:12.839 --> 00:28:19.559
<v Speaker 2>a little bit in the industry. And with that they're like, Okay,

520
00:28:19.599 --> 00:28:20.920
<v Speaker 2>you either show your face or you don't, you know,

521
00:28:21.240 --> 00:28:23.039
<v Speaker 2>and I'm like, you know what, We're gonna do it.

522
00:28:23.079 --> 00:28:26.000
<v Speaker 2>You know, like I've been humiliated beyond bee Leaf with

523
00:28:26.119 --> 00:28:28.920
<v Speaker 2>other things. So like we've been here, we've done that,

524
00:28:30.240 --> 00:28:33.519
<v Speaker 2>and I think just the main thing is like I

525
00:28:33.599 --> 00:28:37.440
<v Speaker 2>just don't want my parents to find out, but they're gonna. Yeah.

526
00:28:39.119 --> 00:28:41.599
<v Speaker 2>You know. My thing is if you're if you're there,

527
00:28:41.640 --> 00:28:45.359
<v Speaker 2>you're there too. You know, if you're if you're finding me,

528
00:28:45.440 --> 00:28:46.759
<v Speaker 2>you're finding me because you're there.

529
00:28:46.880 --> 00:28:50.759
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, yeah. You know what's funny is you can

530
00:28:50.799 --> 00:28:53.440
<v Speaker 1>look back someday and tell someone they'll go, how did

531
00:28:53.480 --> 00:28:55.720
<v Speaker 1>you get in the porn? And your answer is church

532
00:28:55.799 --> 00:28:59.160
<v Speaker 1>and books? You know that, right? Your answer is church

533
00:28:59.240 --> 00:29:03.519
<v Speaker 1>and books? Yeah, the Internet's just like the internet.

534
00:29:03.720 --> 00:29:04.519
<v Speaker 2>How true that is?

535
00:29:04.759 --> 00:29:07.519
<v Speaker 1>The Internet is destroying children's minds? What got you into

536
00:29:07.720 --> 00:29:09.599
<v Speaker 1>church and books? Okay?

537
00:29:09.839 --> 00:29:13.759
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so's you know and smutty boogs?

538
00:29:14.039 --> 00:29:18.599
<v Speaker 1>Sure, so let me get into that then. So what

539
00:29:18.799 --> 00:29:21.880
<v Speaker 1>have we done on film? Is it strictly you and

540
00:29:22.039 --> 00:29:26.000
<v Speaker 1>husband performing scenes? Is it other people you've brought in?

541
00:29:26.559 --> 00:29:29.200
<v Speaker 1>Talked me through what your contract? If I head on

542
00:29:29.319 --> 00:29:32.960
<v Speaker 1>over to OnlyFans dot Com. Slash Swinging Vix and Jenna

543
00:29:33.000 --> 00:29:36.519
<v Speaker 1>links to everything are in the episode description as always,

544
00:29:36.559 --> 00:29:38.119
<v Speaker 1>you know our deal, tell me what I'm going to

545
00:29:38.119 --> 00:29:39.079
<v Speaker 1>see if I head over there.

546
00:29:39.359 --> 00:29:42.200
<v Speaker 2>So you are going to see just a plethora of stuff.

547
00:29:43.680 --> 00:29:46.319
<v Speaker 2>There is a good bit with me and my husband,

548
00:29:46.359 --> 00:29:51.400
<v Speaker 2>but we actually started thinking about like the business side

549
00:29:51.440 --> 00:29:54.880
<v Speaker 2>of things too, and we're like, like, chat GBT has

550
00:29:54.920 --> 00:29:59.119
<v Speaker 2>been super helpful. The one that's associated to X has

551
00:29:59.119 --> 00:30:01.240
<v Speaker 2>been because it gives you a bunch of facts and stuff.

552
00:30:01.240 --> 00:30:03.880
<v Speaker 2>So we were like, what is you know, what do

553
00:30:04.000 --> 00:30:09.599
<v Speaker 2>people want to see? And for my category being a milf,

554
00:30:10.599 --> 00:30:14.039
<v Speaker 2>people want to see BBC's you know, And I'm like, hey,

555
00:30:14.240 --> 00:30:17.599
<v Speaker 2>that's fun for me. So if you go over to

556
00:30:17.839 --> 00:30:21.200
<v Speaker 2>my only fans right now, I have a good amount

557
00:30:21.240 --> 00:30:26.720
<v Speaker 2>of BBC videos, Like I just did one outside on

558
00:30:27.559 --> 00:30:31.559
<v Speaker 2>public property, I mean not public private. I'm sorry, I'm

559
00:30:31.559 --> 00:30:35.400
<v Speaker 2>at fred and that was, oh my gosh, a blast.

560
00:30:36.279 --> 00:30:39.880
<v Speaker 2>That was just with one one BBC. But I've done

561
00:30:40.480 --> 00:30:44.920
<v Speaker 2>uh two BBC's my friend, and I said, that's been

562
00:30:44.920 --> 00:30:46.599
<v Speaker 2>so kind to me. She's let me come in on

563
00:30:46.720 --> 00:30:48.640
<v Speaker 2>some of her gang bangs, which had just been like

564
00:30:49.200 --> 00:30:52.400
<v Speaker 2>they're just so fun to me, you know, like, and

565
00:30:52.480 --> 00:30:54.279
<v Speaker 2>I think part of it is that part of my

566
00:30:54.359 --> 00:30:58.160
<v Speaker 2>brain that wants to be like like go the opposite

567
00:30:58.200 --> 00:31:01.839
<v Speaker 2>direction of everything. So I'm sure my therapist can figure

568
00:31:01.839 --> 00:31:03.599
<v Speaker 2>that out, you know, That's what that's what we're pay

569
00:31:03.680 --> 00:31:06.359
<v Speaker 2>him for. But yeah, so if you go over to

570
00:31:06.400 --> 00:31:07.759
<v Speaker 2>my page, you're going to see a lot of that,

571
00:31:10.400 --> 00:31:12.599
<v Speaker 2>a lot of boobs, a lot of a lot of ass,

572
00:31:12.640 --> 00:31:14.599
<v Speaker 2>Like my thing is my ass, you know. I know

573
00:31:15.200 --> 00:31:16.960
<v Speaker 2>I'm having to share this part right now.

574
00:31:17.000 --> 00:31:21.119
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, okay, all right, maybe at the end we

575
00:31:21.160 --> 00:31:24.880
<v Speaker 1>get a twirl, not not guaranteed, Hey, coming for it.

576
00:31:25.079 --> 00:31:29.119
<v Speaker 1>Stick around and listen, folks, okay and watch. Can I

577
00:31:29.160 --> 00:31:31.480
<v Speaker 1>ask this and again if any of this gets too personal,

578
00:31:31.920 --> 00:31:34.759
<v Speaker 1>just let me know. Does your husband film all of

579
00:31:34.799 --> 00:31:37.160
<v Speaker 1>your scenes with these people or is it other people

580
00:31:37.200 --> 00:31:37.599
<v Speaker 1>as well?

581
00:31:37.839 --> 00:31:41.200
<v Speaker 2>Okay, yeah, So one thing about my husband is when

582
00:31:41.200 --> 00:31:43.759
<v Speaker 2>he gets into something, he's like sure, full force, you know,

583
00:31:43.839 --> 00:31:47.559
<v Speaker 2>and so he's got all the I mean, we shoot

584
00:31:47.839 --> 00:31:51.160
<v Speaker 2>most everything with our iPhones, but he's got like like

585
00:31:51.240 --> 00:31:54.640
<v Speaker 2>a holder and microphone and you know, a chest strap,

586
00:31:54.920 --> 00:31:57.119
<v Speaker 2>you know. So it's we've had like some po V

587
00:31:57.279 --> 00:32:00.920
<v Speaker 2>stuff like so that not necessarily my husband has done it,

588
00:32:00.960 --> 00:32:03.880
<v Speaker 2>but we've had other people where the it's you know,

589
00:32:03.960 --> 00:32:06.079
<v Speaker 2>something that straps on them and then it puts the

590
00:32:06.119 --> 00:32:10.839
<v Speaker 2>phone on there. So yeah, so if he's not involved

591
00:32:10.839 --> 00:32:12.599
<v Speaker 2>in it, then he's probably and then he's filming it

592
00:32:13.680 --> 00:32:17.079
<v Speaker 2>because if I if it's left up to me, I'll

593
00:32:17.079 --> 00:32:20.079
<v Speaker 2>have it face in the corner or something. You know. Sure, yeah,

594
00:32:20.759 --> 00:32:22.119
<v Speaker 2>it's a mastermind behind it.

595
00:32:22.599 --> 00:32:24.519
<v Speaker 1>My Jenna has to put up with the same bullshit

596
00:32:24.559 --> 00:32:26.200
<v Speaker 1>where I get a little bit of an idea and

597
00:32:26.200 --> 00:32:28.720
<v Speaker 1>we go, well, now we need all the equipment for.

598
00:32:28.640 --> 00:32:30.759
<v Speaker 2>It, but you have to you know.

599
00:32:31.160 --> 00:32:33.200
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean hey, but you know what that is

600
00:32:33.440 --> 00:32:36.720
<v Speaker 1>commitment to a thing, you know, and that's what sets

601
00:32:36.799 --> 00:32:39.160
<v Speaker 1>you apart from a hot girl that just pops on

602
00:32:39.279 --> 00:32:41.079
<v Speaker 1>and posts a picture of a pit and then never

603
00:32:41.119 --> 00:32:41.920
<v Speaker 1>shows back up.

604
00:32:42.200 --> 00:32:42.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

605
00:32:43.039 --> 00:32:46.920
<v Speaker 1>Can I ask this about your husband? So I was

606
00:32:47.559 --> 00:32:50.079
<v Speaker 1>blown away by all the Swinger interviews I had done

607
00:32:50.119 --> 00:32:53.319
<v Speaker 1>over this past season where I was like, that is

608
00:32:53.359 --> 00:32:57.359
<v Speaker 1>so not what I would have thought it is. Is

609
00:32:58.319 --> 00:33:02.759
<v Speaker 1>your husband into the cuckold aspect at all? Is there

610
00:33:02.799 --> 00:33:05.880
<v Speaker 1>any talking to him, is there any humiliation to him

611
00:33:06.000 --> 00:33:08.799
<v Speaker 1>anything that he likes in that aspect or the more

612
00:33:08.839 --> 00:33:10.799
<v Speaker 1>common thing I've seen. Only because you think of the

613
00:33:10.839 --> 00:33:13.319
<v Speaker 1>word cook or cuckoldah blah blah blah, you associate it

614
00:33:13.319 --> 00:33:15.680
<v Speaker 1>with that, and then you would go, well, this gentleman's

615
00:33:15.680 --> 00:33:18.079
<v Speaker 1>wife has sex with other guys, so I would think that,

616
00:33:18.960 --> 00:33:22.599
<v Speaker 1>But is it more him watching you be pleasured? That

617
00:33:22.759 --> 00:33:25.240
<v Speaker 1>he really enjoys, do you know if it's one of

618
00:33:25.319 --> 00:33:25.640
<v Speaker 1>the two.

619
00:33:26.200 --> 00:33:30.759
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So we've actually had this conversation a few times.

620
00:33:30.759 --> 00:33:36.200
<v Speaker 2>Like and you were talking about communication before, and we

621
00:33:37.079 --> 00:33:40.640
<v Speaker 2>heard this coming into the lifestyle, but like if you

622
00:33:40.759 --> 00:33:45.119
<v Speaker 2>can't communicate, that's an issue. So like another thing for

623
00:33:45.279 --> 00:33:49.440
<v Speaker 2>me I found out coming into the lifestyle that with

624
00:33:49.519 --> 00:33:54.039
<v Speaker 2>one hundred percent certainty, like I am neuro divergent, and

625
00:33:54.160 --> 00:33:58.599
<v Speaker 2>that's affected our conversations, you know, And so okay, so

626
00:33:58.640 --> 00:34:00.799
<v Speaker 2>you're talking about that part of it. So we've also

627
00:34:00.960 --> 00:34:05.319
<v Speaker 2>learned that there are different kind of like cuckholds, and

628
00:34:05.359 --> 00:34:08.400
<v Speaker 2>there are different kinds of ways of doing things. So

629
00:34:09.559 --> 00:34:15.079
<v Speaker 2>if you're a cuckhold, then you're not necessarily being humiliated,

630
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<v Speaker 2>you know. Because for me, I like I feel like

631
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<v Speaker 2>I have like a heart that like I would cry,

632
00:34:22.079 --> 00:34:24.519
<v Speaker 2>you know, if I had to humiliate my husband, I

633
00:34:24.519 --> 00:34:28.679
<v Speaker 2>would cry, you know. But other people love it, you know,

634
00:34:28.800 --> 00:34:31.719
<v Speaker 2>and like that's their kink, and you know, we don't.

635
00:34:32.000 --> 00:34:35.199
<v Speaker 2>I don't judge anybody else, you know, even if it's

636
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<v Speaker 2>something that I don't want to do, it's fine, you

637
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<v Speaker 2>do you you know, like whatever, And so I've we

638
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<v Speaker 2>had a conversation one time where I was like, so,

639
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<v Speaker 2>tell me, like what about this, you know, do you

640
00:34:49.440 --> 00:34:54.880
<v Speaker 2>love and he loves to watch me get fucked or

641
00:34:55.119 --> 00:34:57.639
<v Speaker 2>play and stuff, and I asked him, I was like, okay,

642
00:34:57.719 --> 00:35:01.000
<v Speaker 2>rate it like with getting to you know, getting to

643
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<v Speaker 2>be with another person. He's like, you know, like they're

644
00:35:04.639 --> 00:35:07.199
<v Speaker 2>kind of close, and I'm like, for my brain, I

645
00:35:07.239 --> 00:35:10.280
<v Speaker 2>can't I can't understand it, you know, I can't comprehend it.

646
00:35:10.760 --> 00:35:15.440
<v Speaker 2>But he loves it, you know, And and then I love

647
00:35:15.480 --> 00:35:17.119
<v Speaker 2>that he loves it. And then we're all turned to

648
00:35:17.239 --> 00:35:20.320
<v Speaker 2>you know, it's like a circle. It works out for everybody.

649
00:35:21.599 --> 00:35:25.559
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, but there's a word for it, and it's

650
00:35:25.599 --> 00:35:28.239
<v Speaker 2>not coming to my mind right now, but where like

651
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<v Speaker 2>you see your partner having this great experience and you're

652
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<v Speaker 2>so happy for them. You know, it starts with the

653
00:35:35.400 --> 00:35:38.800
<v Speaker 2>sea and it'll come to me in a minute. But yeah,

654
00:35:39.000 --> 00:35:41.880
<v Speaker 2>it's so I see him and I'm like, oh my god,

655
00:35:42.119 --> 00:35:44.079
<v Speaker 2>look at that Look at that girl's ass. You know,

656
00:35:45.320 --> 00:35:47.800
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, that must feel so great. Does that feel great?

657
00:35:47.880 --> 00:35:50.239
<v Speaker 2>You know? He's like, yeah, having a great time, you know.

658
00:35:50.719 --> 00:35:53.039
<v Speaker 2>So I don't know, it's just like to me, it's

659
00:35:53.119 --> 00:35:56.880
<v Speaker 2>just like joy. It's just happiness and joy, and I

660
00:35:56.880 --> 00:35:59.679
<v Speaker 2>would be lying to say that we haven't hit issues,

661
00:35:59.800 --> 00:36:03.119
<v Speaker 2>but a lot of the issues are me figuring out

662
00:36:03.119 --> 00:36:06.119
<v Speaker 2>how to communicate, you know, like because we haven't had

663
00:36:06.159 --> 00:36:09.880
<v Speaker 2>to talk through things like this before the lifestyle, because

664
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<v Speaker 2>we were because my mindset was more like what do

665
00:36:14.000 --> 00:36:18.800
<v Speaker 2>I do to make my husband happy? And that sounds horrible,

666
00:36:18.800 --> 00:36:21.920
<v Speaker 2>but like that was kind of my mindset, like I'm

667
00:36:21.920 --> 00:36:25.960
<v Speaker 2>doing this for my husband, doing this for eternal, have

668
00:36:26.000 --> 00:36:30.280
<v Speaker 2>a house in heaven, you know whatever, you know, but yeah,

669
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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. It's it's a neat a neat change.

670
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<v Speaker 1>Me. Let me just comment on one thing you said,

671
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<v Speaker 1>and I understand you were just trying to figure out

672
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<v Speaker 1>where it was and maybe your perception of it within

673
00:36:41.199 --> 00:36:45.159
<v Speaker 1>the church. But your job, you said, was just to

674
00:36:45.199 --> 00:36:47.840
<v Speaker 1>make your husband happy. I bet your husband on a

675
00:36:47.960 --> 00:36:51.320
<v Speaker 1>level believes my job is to make Jenna happy. You know,

676
00:36:51.880 --> 00:36:55.239
<v Speaker 1>maybe we look at that and it's not maybe we

677
00:36:55.280 --> 00:36:57.960
<v Speaker 1>can't look at it in such a negative way because

678
00:36:58.119 --> 00:37:01.519
<v Speaker 1>of the negative circumstances you had, so that we have

679
00:37:01.599 --> 00:37:03.519
<v Speaker 1>to look at it as, Oh, guess what, I just

680
00:37:03.559 --> 00:37:06.960
<v Speaker 1>figured out what love is. You know, I get joy

681
00:37:07.159 --> 00:37:10.760
<v Speaker 1>crazy out of making you happy. You get joy out

682
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<v Speaker 1>of making me Persian.

683
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<v Speaker 2>That's what it is. That's what I'm okay, all right,

684
00:37:14.639 --> 00:37:16.039
<v Speaker 2>all right, don't come to me.

685
00:37:16.280 --> 00:37:17.840
<v Speaker 1>I will google it afterwards.

686
00:37:17.960 --> 00:37:23.559
<v Speaker 2>Yes, getting happiness from seeing your your partner happy, you know.

687
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<v Speaker 2>And yeah, and it's just like so giving, it so loving.

688
00:37:28.320 --> 00:37:31.079
<v Speaker 2>It's so like like when I said what the church

689
00:37:31.559 --> 00:37:34.039
<v Speaker 2>should be? You know, sure, so this is our church.

690
00:37:34.079 --> 00:37:36.599
<v Speaker 2>There's some country song out there that's like, this is

691
00:37:36.639 --> 00:37:37.920
<v Speaker 2>you know, my church?

692
00:37:38.360 --> 00:37:40.719
<v Speaker 1>Can I tell you? It didn't even click with me

693
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<v Speaker 1>until just now that So what I do on the

694
00:37:44.639 --> 00:37:47.199
<v Speaker 1>show is I pair the Brand New Faces performers up

695
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<v Speaker 1>with a mainstream performer and we put it out at

696
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<v Speaker 1>the same time and during the same week. And what

697
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<v Speaker 1>I really like to do is try and find people

698
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<v Speaker 1>that fit even though they don't know each other at all.

699
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<v Speaker 1>On this season and if people are listening to this now,

700
00:38:04.239 --> 00:38:07.039
<v Speaker 1>Christy's episode came out earlier in the week. Brand New

701
00:38:07.039 --> 00:38:10.320
<v Speaker 1>Faces comes out Tuesday, you know, Friday's Going Deeper comes

702
00:38:10.320 --> 00:38:16.320
<v Speaker 1>out Tuesdays. I interviewed Christy Love, who was a pastor, comedian,

703
00:38:16.480 --> 00:38:18.440
<v Speaker 1>and porn star at the same time.

704
00:38:19.400 --> 00:38:20.880
<v Speaker 2>They had their own same time.

705
00:38:22.119 --> 00:38:25.000
<v Speaker 1>Yes, she was definitely a pastor, and a porn star

706
00:38:25.079 --> 00:38:27.519
<v Speaker 1>at the same time. They had their own church when

707
00:38:27.519 --> 00:38:31.519
<v Speaker 1>they broke off, but she also had wonderful church stories

708
00:38:31.599 --> 00:38:34.960
<v Speaker 1>and explaining how it felt coming out of that system

709
00:38:35.119 --> 00:38:39.960
<v Speaker 1>and changing your mindset. So I you know, that's crazy. Yeah,

710
00:38:40.199 --> 00:38:43.519
<v Speaker 1>it's really, It's like sometimes it just fits perfectly, you know.

711
00:38:43.760 --> 00:38:47.519
<v Speaker 1>So check that episode out if you haven't already, folks.

712
00:38:48.280 --> 00:38:51.360
<v Speaker 1>All right, couple more questions here. What is something we

713
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<v Speaker 1>are looking to hit maybe this year some either a

714
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<v Speaker 1>plateau or you want to do either a specific nichure,

715
00:39:00.679 --> 00:39:03.119
<v Speaker 1>a type of thing, like is there anything you too

716
00:39:03.119 --> 00:39:05.360
<v Speaker 1>are looking at and going we just need to plan

717
00:39:05.480 --> 00:39:07.920
<v Speaker 1>that and that is gonna be killer.

718
00:39:09.239 --> 00:39:15.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think, hmm, that's a great question. I probably

719
00:39:15.840 --> 00:39:21.960
<v Speaker 2>should have thought of this beforehand. I think are my

720
00:39:22.079 --> 00:39:24.679
<v Speaker 2>focus and my husband's focus when it comes to like

721
00:39:25.159 --> 00:39:28.440
<v Speaker 2>business is like we just want to do a ton

722
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<v Speaker 2>of collabs and mainly, you know, one of the obviously

723
00:39:33.920 --> 00:39:37.280
<v Speaker 2>for selfish reasons, because we want to get ourselves out there,

724
00:39:37.440 --> 00:39:40.840
<v Speaker 2>but like we also want to like surround ourselves with

725
00:39:41.000 --> 00:39:43.920
<v Speaker 2>like minded people, you know, And so I think that

726
00:39:43.920 --> 00:39:48.079
<v Speaker 2>that's probably like on the list of things that is

727
00:39:48.119 --> 00:39:52.360
<v Speaker 2>just to keep continuous collabs going. And being able to

728
00:39:52.480 --> 00:39:55.039
<v Speaker 2>you know, there's a lot of things that like hold

729
00:39:55.039 --> 00:39:58.039
<v Speaker 2>me back, like the real life, you know, like I

730
00:39:58.079 --> 00:40:00.960
<v Speaker 2>have to have a full time job and things like that,

731
00:40:01.039 --> 00:40:04.480
<v Speaker 2>you know, But yeah, I would say that that's probably

732
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<v Speaker 2>like where my where my like business mind is headed.

733
00:40:10.039 --> 00:40:12.679
<v Speaker 2>I do get excited when I think about like pro

734
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<v Speaker 2>porn and and I think that I'm still learning like

735
00:40:17.239 --> 00:40:20.599
<v Speaker 2>what exactly that that is as well, Like, but I

736
00:40:20.639 --> 00:40:25.159
<v Speaker 2>see like certain things out there, like you know, I

737
00:40:25.199 --> 00:40:29.280
<v Speaker 2>don't know, but yeah, that gets me excited to look

738
00:40:29.320 --> 00:40:32.119
<v Speaker 2>and sit and think like, oh that could be Like sure,

739
00:40:32.199 --> 00:40:33.920
<v Speaker 2>there's no reason why that couldn't be me. You know,

740
00:40:33.920 --> 00:40:36.800
<v Speaker 2>if I work hard enough. That's I listen to a

741
00:40:36.840 --> 00:40:40.519
<v Speaker 2>podcast where it's two girls who have only fans and

742
00:40:40.559 --> 00:40:44.239
<v Speaker 2>they're just like, you know, the people in this this

743
00:40:44.400 --> 00:40:47.039
<v Speaker 2>world are some of the hardest working people. Like you

744
00:40:47.119 --> 00:40:51.599
<v Speaker 2>work hard and it pays, It literally pays, and and

745
00:40:51.639 --> 00:40:54.639
<v Speaker 2>then the benefit of it is you start to develop

746
00:40:54.679 --> 00:40:58.039
<v Speaker 2>this community of people that's like amazing. You know, you

747
00:40:58.159 --> 00:40:59.840
<v Speaker 2>just kind of like make friends along the way too.

748
00:41:00.079 --> 00:41:02.599
<v Speaker 1>It's so funny. The vanilla stigma, looking at it from

749
00:41:02.639 --> 00:41:05.599
<v Speaker 1>the outside is oh, yeah, you wake up, you go

750
00:41:05.639 --> 00:41:09.000
<v Speaker 1>have sex with a guy for you know, a half hour,

751
00:41:09.599 --> 00:41:12.679
<v Speaker 1>you go home, you collect your fifty thousand dollars paycheck,

752
00:41:12.719 --> 00:41:14.599
<v Speaker 1>and then you never have to go on social media again.

753
00:41:14.760 --> 00:41:15.599
<v Speaker 1>And I have to tell them.

754
00:41:15.559 --> 00:41:16.360
<v Speaker 2>Where did I get that?

755
00:41:16.559 --> 00:41:19.079
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, right, yes, I think you got to work in

756
00:41:19.159 --> 00:41:23.920
<v Speaker 1>banking for that. But but I tell these people that's

757
00:41:23.960 --> 00:41:26.840
<v Speaker 1>so incorrect. These girls traded in an eight hour office

758
00:41:26.920 --> 00:41:30.760
<v Speaker 1>job for a sixteen hour like personal dig deep into

759
00:41:30.800 --> 00:41:34.960
<v Speaker 1>your life job. Right. Yeah, So hey, if you are

760
00:41:35.000 --> 00:41:38.880
<v Speaker 1>morally against Born, I can't stop you. But don't ever

761
00:41:38.960 --> 00:41:39.880
<v Speaker 1>call him lazy.

762
00:41:40.079 --> 00:41:45.840
<v Speaker 2>Okay, don't for sure until you see somebody that or

763
00:41:47.000 --> 00:41:50.039
<v Speaker 2>have it. They it's just there's no concept there of that,

764
00:41:50.079 --> 00:41:53.159
<v Speaker 2>you know. Like like, for I have learned of a

765
00:41:53.199 --> 00:41:56.480
<v Speaker 2>lot of people who are in my position where we're

766
00:41:56.519 --> 00:42:00.199
<v Speaker 2>working full time jobs and then we're also trying to

767
00:42:00.199 --> 00:42:02.719
<v Speaker 2>to get this up up and going, which is honestly

768
00:42:02.760 --> 00:42:05.519
<v Speaker 2>like another full time job. So it's like like in

769
00:42:05.559 --> 00:42:07.920
<v Speaker 2>my head, I'm like, yeah, this is hard work. This

770
00:42:07.920 --> 00:42:10.400
<v Speaker 2>this is really hard, but hopefully all the hard work

771
00:42:10.519 --> 00:42:13.039
<v Speaker 2>will pay off, you know, in the long run. And

772
00:42:13.599 --> 00:42:15.760
<v Speaker 2>you know, it's funny.

773
00:42:15.239 --> 00:42:18.079
<v Speaker 1>People from the outside probably see sex as the job.

774
00:42:18.320 --> 00:42:21.119
<v Speaker 1>That's not the job. The job part is the production

775
00:42:21.519 --> 00:42:22.840
<v Speaker 1>and everything, right.

776
00:42:22.679 --> 00:42:25.599
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, sex part's like ten percent. Yah, you know yeah,

777
00:42:26.199 --> 00:42:29.559
<v Speaker 2>honestly the lifestyle also maybe twenty percent, but you know.

778
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm okay, all right. I have to ask this.

779
00:42:32.800 --> 00:42:35.239
<v Speaker 1>This is going to be one of my last questions here.

780
00:42:36.079 --> 00:42:40.480
<v Speaker 1>Is there anything either side in your relationship is slowly

781
00:42:40.599 --> 00:42:43.400
<v Speaker 1>trying to plant the idea in the head of the

782
00:42:43.480 --> 00:42:47.400
<v Speaker 1>other person, like, oh man, you know what would be cool?

783
00:42:47.920 --> 00:42:51.079
<v Speaker 1>Three girls and me and you? That would be fun

784
00:42:51.199 --> 00:42:52.880
<v Speaker 1>and just like throwing it out there. I don't know

785
00:42:53.239 --> 00:42:55.719
<v Speaker 1>or do you ever go, like, you know, if we

786
00:42:55.760 --> 00:42:58.639
<v Speaker 1>could call maybe like six black guys this weekend, we

787
00:42:58.679 --> 00:43:01.039
<v Speaker 1>could do a real b see fast. But you know

788
00:43:01.119 --> 00:43:03.679
<v Speaker 1>that's totally up to you. Husband, he would be like,

789
00:43:04.000 --> 00:43:09.119
<v Speaker 1>yep on it. Is there anything we're trying to trying

790
00:43:09.199 --> 00:43:11.760
<v Speaker 1>to figure out a way to process or deal with

791
00:43:11.800 --> 00:43:13.719
<v Speaker 1>a type of thing or something?

792
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<v Speaker 2>Oh man, I I am like a huge fan of

793
00:43:21.360 --> 00:43:25.159
<v Speaker 2>just like orgies, like a bunch of people like, to me,

794
00:43:25.320 --> 00:43:28.199
<v Speaker 2>that's so much fun because it's just like there's so

795
00:43:28.280 --> 00:43:30.880
<v Speaker 2>many options, like you have, you know, so like you know,

796
00:43:31.159 --> 00:43:34.119
<v Speaker 2>when you said that about six BBC's, my mind's going

797
00:43:34.159 --> 00:43:36.480
<v Speaker 2>to like, I mean that six is great, but like

798
00:43:36.559 --> 00:43:40.880
<v Speaker 2>twenty would be really cool, you know, or whatever. So

799
00:43:41.400 --> 00:43:43.559
<v Speaker 2>the sky's a limit, you know, as long as you

800
00:43:43.599 --> 00:43:45.719
<v Speaker 2>have a big enough room. I guess.

801
00:43:48.280 --> 00:43:51.320
<v Speaker 1>Well, Jenna, I think you are spectacular.

802
00:43:52.079 --> 00:43:55.960
<v Speaker 2>I wish her let me do this like that's so nice.

803
00:43:56.119 --> 00:43:58.760
<v Speaker 1>No, I you know, again, like I said at the beginning,

804
00:43:58.800 --> 00:44:01.199
<v Speaker 1>it's about inviting on the people that actually want to

805
00:44:01.239 --> 00:44:03.280
<v Speaker 1>work in this or to do stuff in this, or

806
00:44:03.400 --> 00:44:06.119
<v Speaker 1>enjoy being in this. It's not the hot person who

807
00:44:06.199 --> 00:44:08.599
<v Speaker 1>passes by and says, maybe I can make a quick buck,

808
00:44:08.719 --> 00:44:14.280
<v Speaker 1>you know. So look, congratulations on breaking yourself out of

809
00:44:14.320 --> 00:44:16.480
<v Speaker 1>the prison you felt like you were in for a

810
00:44:16.519 --> 00:44:18.920
<v Speaker 1>lot of your life. Now yeah, not just church, the body,

811
00:44:19.000 --> 00:44:22.400
<v Speaker 1>positivity things everything. I think this is a huge step

812
00:44:22.440 --> 00:44:24.360
<v Speaker 1>for you. I don't know why I'm telling you that now,

813
00:44:24.360 --> 00:44:26.719
<v Speaker 1>I'm talking about like I'm done film this huge step.

814
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah it makes sense.

815
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, totally totally my guest tonight, Jenna. You can find

816
00:44:31.920 --> 00:44:37.000
<v Speaker 1>her on Twitter at swing Vixen Jenna, And more importantly,

817
00:44:37.079 --> 00:44:38.880
<v Speaker 1>when the cash rolls in for you, which should be

818
00:44:38.960 --> 00:44:42.639
<v Speaker 1>every other Friday maybe if you're working, head on over

819
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<v Speaker 1>to OnlyFans and check her out at Swinging Vixen Jenna

820
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<v Speaker 1>links to everything or in the episode description. As always,

821
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<v Speaker 1>make sure you support the content creators that come on

822
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<v Speaker 1>the show. Jenna, thank you so much for coming on

823
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<v Speaker 1>with me tonight.

824
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<v Speaker 2>Thank you, Matt. This is amazing. You were doing such

825
00:44:58.719 --> 00:45:01.400
<v Speaker 2>a great thing, just build. Having this platform for p