Speaker 1: You're watching brand new faces. I'm your host, Matt, and
Speaker 1: tonight I'm joined by a very special guest. Now we've
Speaker 1: talked about it a million times on every episode. The
Speaker 1: bare minimum you could do is at least follow these
Speaker 1: folks on social media, help them get those numbers up,
Speaker 1: promote them. Then they could go out, you know, offer
Speaker 1: a little more to these companies that only want to
Speaker 1: see numbers nowadays. But when payday rolls around, you go ooh,
Speaker 1: I got a little bit of cash in my pocket.
Speaker 1: I want you head on over to only fans and
Speaker 1: follow Swinging Vixen Jenna. The Twitter is swing Vixen Jenna,
Speaker 1: but the only fans is Swinging Vixen Jenna. Ladies and gentlemen,
Speaker 1: My guest for the evening, Jenna Jenna. Nice to meet you.
Speaker 2: Hi. I'm so glad to be here.
Speaker 1: I am so glad to have you here.
Speaker 2: So flattered when you asked, so well, you.
Speaker 1: Know what, And let me give you real quick and
Speaker 1: to the audience too, which I do often, But let
Speaker 1: me give you my criteria. It's not just about are
Speaker 1: you hot and online? To me, it's are you part
Speaker 1: of a lifestyle that's interesting? Are you hot and are
Speaker 1: you online? But also are you pursuing this as either
Speaker 1: a fun hobby that you enjoy or something you know
Speaker 1: you see as a career. I don't want just to
Speaker 1: run a mill. A hot girl comes along and she
Speaker 1: wants to pop on and then we never see her again.
Speaker 1: So yeah, going through your profile and checking everything out
Speaker 1: about you, I love what I.
Speaker 2: See, so thank you. Let me start hearing.
Speaker 1: Well, let me say that, and then let me start
Speaker 1: with the third rude of question you can ask a woman. Okay,
Speaker 1: I know what it is. Okay. The first rude is
Speaker 1: question which I am not asking you to answer, but
Speaker 1: I have seen this live in person. First rudeis question
Speaker 1: you can ask a woman is are you pregnant? That
Speaker 1: is rude. You should not ask a woman that. No,
Speaker 1: you don't have to answer. The second ruti ist question
Speaker 1: you can ask a woman is how much you weigh?
Speaker 1: I don't ask that one either. Too many slaps in
Speaker 1: the face for that one.
Speaker 2: That's awesome.
Speaker 1: The third row this question you can ask a woman
Speaker 1: is can I ask how old you are? Je?
Speaker 2: Yes, I am forty two.
Speaker 1: You look damn good for forty two. Let me just
Speaker 1: say that.
Speaker 2: I had to check today. I was like, I think
Speaker 2: I'm forty one, No, forty teen.
Speaker 1: I'm thirty eight, and you start like counting the numbers.
Speaker 1: You actually your things matter, It doesn't matter anymore. Let
Speaker 1: me ask you.
Speaker 2: All right.
Speaker 1: I grew up listening to rap music, and I do
Speaker 1: not understand what any of the measurements are even to
Speaker 1: this day. So I came up with my own little metrics.
Speaker 1: I wanted to run by. Could I ask you what
Speaker 1: your height is?
Speaker 2: Yes, I'm five to two, okay.
Speaker 1: Could I ask you what that wonderful cup size is?
Speaker 2: I think it's c Okay, Okay, you know that's what
Speaker 2: they tell me when you get measured. You never know. Okay,
Speaker 2: all right, that's what I buy.
Speaker 1: And not necessarily my king, but I have no issue
Speaker 1: with it whatsoever. Can I ask you what your shoe
Speaker 1: size is?
Speaker 2: I am seven and a half.
Speaker 1: Wonderful okay, Now, Jenna, take me through it. Can you
Speaker 1: tell me how you decided to cross over from Vanilla
Speaker 1: into the adult entertainment industry in whatever format? Was the
Speaker 1: first thing you did? Were you camming? Did you strip
Speaker 1: at some point when you were nineteen? What was the
Speaker 1: first time when you crossed that barrier from Vanilla quote
Speaker 1: unquote vanilla life into this world.
Speaker 2: So it was when I hit forty. We have kind
Speaker 2: of a crazy story. Up until forty. We were involved
Speaker 2: in church heavily, and then we left that and or
Speaker 2: and after that we kind of got to the point
Speaker 2: where we decided we're not going to let people tell
Speaker 2: us what to do anymore. And so at that point,
Speaker 2: I didn't know anything about the I'd heard about swinging,
Speaker 2: but I didn't know what the lifestyle was at all.
Speaker 2: But my husband had kind of mentioned like a few
Speaker 2: things here and there about like bringing a guy in
Speaker 2: or things like that, and it just got me super curious.
Speaker 2: But the kind of person I am is like I
Speaker 2: need information, and so I just got on the internet
Speaker 2: and I got on podcasts and like just started listening
Speaker 2: to a lot of like swing podcasts, super body forward podcasts,
Speaker 2: and I got all the information out there. It took
Speaker 2: me probably like a month to kind of like get
Speaker 2: all the information. And then one of the podcasts was like,
Speaker 2: you can't do anything else except just try, and so
Speaker 2: that's what I mean, and my husband decided to do
Speaker 2: is just kind of like jump in the area that
Speaker 2: we live in is super close to like this amazing
Speaker 2: resort and a lifestyle resort, I guess is a good
Speaker 2: thing to call it. And yeah, we just jumped in
Speaker 2: kind of body first, let.
Speaker 1: Me ask you, so you mentioned a few things in there,
Speaker 1: and I really want to there's a lot of meat
Speaker 1: on that bone. Let me just ask one thing though.
Speaker 1: You said you were listening to swinging podcasts but also
Speaker 1: body positivity podcast Was that something you had to overcome?
Speaker 1: Did you have any issue with your body? Yeah? Would
Speaker 1: you mind? And was it something you I don't know
Speaker 1: if you can tell. I'm a little bit of a
Speaker 1: chubbier gentleman myself, and I always have no trust me.
Speaker 1: I am the doctor, lets me know, but uh, it
Speaker 1: is always something that's like on my mind. Like I
Speaker 1: interview some of the most beautiful women in the world,
Speaker 1: and if any of them offered themselves to me, even
Speaker 1: if my wife allowed it, I'd be so no, no, no,
Speaker 1: I don't want you to see me without my shirt on.
Speaker 1: So what kind of body positivity did you have to develop?
Speaker 1: And when you got into this lifestyle, how did it
Speaker 1: help you even more start developing it?
Speaker 2: Yeah? So the culture that I grew up in was
Speaker 2: very like cover up, like keep that we as the
Speaker 2: girls and a the women were responsible for the thoughts
Speaker 2: of men around us, which is just it's like a
Speaker 2: horrible way of thinking. And so yeah, I remember. It
Speaker 2: kind of makes me mad now because I'm like, oh,
Speaker 2: those were the best, Like that was my best body,
Speaker 2: and I had to sit here and cover it up.
Speaker 2: And so I just grew up thinking I couldn't show anything,
Speaker 2: so I wore sure, you know. We I listened to
Speaker 2: one of your One of the your podcasts that stuck
Speaker 2: with me was one where a girl talked about how
Speaker 2: she was Mormon, and so I grew up. It doesn't
Speaker 2: really exactly matter but Christian, but and yeah, so we
Speaker 2: I just always covered up, and I had low self
Speaker 2: esteem for someone that I feel like I shouldn't have
Speaker 2: had low self esteem, you know. And and I just
Speaker 2: had a lot of pressure on me to do the
Speaker 2: right thing and be the right kind of person and
Speaker 2: dressed a certain way. And yeah, so so coming from
Speaker 2: that to this where it's very women led, it's very
Speaker 2: consent based, which is just like I mean, from the
Speaker 2: outside looking in, you wouldn't think that, but it is.
Speaker 2: The swinging lifestyle is very consent driven, very woman driven,
Speaker 2: and from the second really that we started going, I
Speaker 2: just felt more accepting on my own body, accepting on
Speaker 2: my flaws, like excited to be around other people. When
Speaker 2: we went to the resort for the first time, you
Speaker 2: just see all kinds of people and all kinds of bodies,
Speaker 2: and everybody is just you know, like you might not
Speaker 2: on the inside, you might be like, oh, I don't
Speaker 2: you know, I don't feel my hottest, but like everybody
Speaker 2: just looks like they feel like their best self, you know.
Speaker 2: And so yeah, it's given me a confidence that yeah,
Speaker 2: I have never had in my forty years, you know,
Speaker 2: forty two now.
Speaker 1: But let me okay, let me let me ask this.
Speaker 1: So at forty he does I totally understand the pushing
Speaker 1: back on the you know, how you were raised, or
Speaker 1: the church situation. If it's overly strict and this and that.
Speaker 1: I mean, you guys could have like went out and
Speaker 1: just drank too many beers one night. It seems like
Speaker 1: a and I'm not down, I'm not talking down on
Speaker 1: it at all. It seems like a drastic to shift
Speaker 1: to go from this is a very strict religion. And
Speaker 1: then the husband taps you on the shoulder and goes
Speaker 1: you've ever been double team though, maybe we should try that.
Speaker 1: I mean, was it was it conversations? Was it gradual?
Speaker 1: Was it or were you guys just so sick of
Speaker 1: it that it was like, fuck it, we're going to
Speaker 1: do the opposite.
Speaker 2: I think that was part of it. I think part
Speaker 2: of it was fuck it, We're going to do the opposite.
Speaker 2: So the what we were in the in the church
Speaker 2: was my husband was a pastor, and he was a
Speaker 2: pastor for uh so it's a good little tagline for
Speaker 2: like it was something. It was over ten years and
Speaker 2: so towards I would say, like maybe five years before
Speaker 2: we left, we just started seeing things that we just
Speaker 2: didn't think we're right as far as like sexuality, mainly
Speaker 2: that that was like a big thing. My husband's twin
Speaker 2: brother is gay and he's a drag queen and so
Speaker 2: but when we were taught like that's not okay, and
Speaker 2: we're like no, no, no, here, we I were looking
Speaker 2: at this person, he's amazing, you know whatever. So yeah,
Speaker 2: it's definitely. Yeah, we just kind of got to a
Speaker 2: place where we were like screw it, you know, like
Speaker 2: and there was a lot of that we want to
Speaker 2: do the opposite of what we were, you know. But
Speaker 2: I would say that my husband probably was more familiar
Speaker 2: with the scene, and you know, because we were also
Speaker 2: we also were brought up taught that pornography was of
Speaker 2: the devil, you know, and so like. But you know,
Speaker 2: we got out of the church and were like, hey,
Speaker 2: this is great, you know, like and people they're having
Speaker 2: a great time, and like, you know, so yeah, it's yeah,
Speaker 2: we just got I would say, like the last couple
Speaker 2: of years of us being in the church, we got
Speaker 2: to the point where we wanted to like explore different
Speaker 2: things about our sexuality and that's not okay in that
Speaker 2: kind of arena.
Speaker 1: So sure, not describing your environment, but just in general,
Speaker 1: there comes times when people do something so much and
Speaker 1: are taught this one specific thing, and then you have
Speaker 1: an outside source, almost like your your brother in law
Speaker 1: in this case, where you go, no, I know him,
Speaker 1: he's not evil, he's not a bad person. So what
Speaker 1: else are you twisting a little bit? What else you Oh? Yeah, right.
Speaker 2: It was a huge culture shock for me.
Speaker 1: Sure, So yeah, tell me about the first experience then
Speaker 1: that you may have had with someone other than your husband.
Speaker 1: Was it male, female, who initiated, who set it? Up.
Speaker 1: Did the husband set it up? Did you set it up?
Speaker 1: And tell me your emotions going into it?
Speaker 2: Well, okay, so we decide. You know, I did all
Speaker 2: my research, listen to all these podcasts, you know, read
Speaker 2: all these articles, and then I was like, Grant, you
Speaker 2: might have to bleep that. Sorry, gotcha. Go ahead, okay,
Speaker 2: he said.
Speaker 1: Husband.
Speaker 2: Okay, Husband, Okay, wait, I might have to recheck. Okay,
Speaker 2: ask me the question asked.
Speaker 1: I don't remember the question. Pick it up from Okay, okay,
Speaker 1: go ahead.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, So our first experience, go.
Speaker 1: Ahead, first experience. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So our first experience was we had decided we were
Speaker 2: going to go on Valentine's Day to this local resort
Speaker 2: and they have pool parties during the day and so
Speaker 2: I had like a ton of bathing suits and all
Speaker 2: this kind of stuff, and we're just I was really
Speaker 2: looking forward to the I mean, we both were really
Speaker 2: looking forward to it. And so, you know, we get
Speaker 2: there and I was just like I said before, I
Speaker 2: was just excited to see all of the different body
Speaker 2: types all main mainly like the women, just seeing how
Speaker 2: confident everybody, you know, was. So we sat down on
Speaker 2: a chair and my husband was like, hey, you want,
Speaker 2: you know, you want to take your tits out. I
Speaker 2: was like, and I just like pulled one out like
Speaker 2: a second and then I was like I put it
Speaker 2: back on, you know, because like I grew up my
Speaker 2: whole life's thinking like everything had to be covered. Anyways,
Speaker 2: So the day drag drag on and I got more confident,
Speaker 2: and then we decided to go into uh, I guess
Speaker 2: they call it. I'm trying to think of the best playroom,
Speaker 2: and so we went in there. They have different side,
Speaker 2: they have different rooms. We decided to leave the door
Speaker 2: open and I just started giving my husband head and
Speaker 2: facing my I ass out. We call it my billboard.
Speaker 2: I just kind of, you know, to track people. So
Speaker 2: we were doing that and we had had a conversation
Speaker 2: that was like my husband said, you know, we're gonna
Speaker 2: go at your speed, like whatever you're comfortable with. You
Speaker 2: don't even have to fuck me, you know, like let's
Speaker 2: just go. Let's just go and be relaxed. So, you know,
Speaker 2: we were there, I was getting the head and then
Speaker 2: I just go, you know, I really like someone to
Speaker 2: fuck me. And so my husband was like, oh okay,
Speaker 2: and like just kind of didn one of these things
Speaker 2: with somebody walking by, and it was just it was
Speaker 2: great that the wife ran out and got a condom
Speaker 2: for her husband and didn't even speak the same language.
Speaker 2: I couldn't pick him out of a crowd, uh, And
Speaker 2: it was just like this amazing experience came in. You know,
Speaker 2: we fucked and that was that. And then the next
Speaker 2: weekend we were headed to the same resort and I
Speaker 2: just kind of told my husband, you know, like if
Speaker 2: get there and like if I if I'm okay with
Speaker 2: you and another woman, like just take my word for it,
Speaker 2: just trust me, you know, and you know, he's trying
Speaker 2: not to get excited. And we get there and we
Speaker 2: just went back and we went back to the same
Speaker 2: room in the playroom, and there was another couple there
Speaker 2: and I've done this. I do this thing where I
Speaker 2: don't look up, so I just kind of walk and
Speaker 2: kind of keep my eyes down. And then my husband
Speaker 2: is the one he gets everybody but him and this
Speaker 2: wife kind of locked eyes and they were like, you
Speaker 2: want to, you want to? And that was it. And
Speaker 2: from there we've just kind of dove into this lifestyle
Speaker 2: of just fun and learning to get to know other
Speaker 2: people through this through having sex, you know, which is
Speaker 2: coming from the church where taught that sex is like
Speaker 2: this gift and you can only give it to a
Speaker 2: few people when every time you give it to somebody
Speaker 2: it breaks you know, it's like your heart and then
Speaker 2: it breaks pieces off every time you have sex. And
Speaker 2: we're like in this community, we're like, no, that's not it.
Speaker 2: It's literally just fun. It's literally just sex and it's
Speaker 2: fun and we're getting to know these amazing people and yeah,
Speaker 2: so pretty exciting.
Speaker 1: Yeah that's awesome. Let me ask you, so, so, anytime
Speaker 1: I've ever heard a threesome pitched in life with normal people,
Speaker 1: it's been like, not normal, We're not normal, We're fun.
Speaker 2: I get okay.
Speaker 1: With vanilla people, it's always been, you know, a dude
Speaker 1: going like, would I let my chick and another girl
Speaker 1: blow me? Yeah, sure I would. No one ever goes
Speaker 1: to the second guy first initially, right.
Speaker 2: I know, generally realize that.
Speaker 1: So I have to ask you. It seemed like your
Speaker 1: husband was willing right away, and you were receptive and
Speaker 1: receiving Sorry for the pun, right away, but it seemed
Speaker 1: like you were a little bit questionable at first on
Speaker 1: him going with someone else. What did that did that
Speaker 1: come from? A jealousy thing, a fear thing. Was it,
Speaker 1: Like is it in your head like he's gonna like
Speaker 1: her better? I fucking know it, right.
Speaker 2: All of that, all of that, And honestly, so one
Speaker 2: of the things that happened when we got into this
Speaker 2: lifestyle is my my brain just went like opened up,
Speaker 2: like my world was opened up. And I'm actually at
Speaker 2: a point where, like I'm seeing a therapist because there
Speaker 2: are things about that, like you know, you said jealousy, fear,
Speaker 2: Like I did have a fear that he would find
Speaker 2: somebody that was better and leave me. I did have
Speaker 2: a fear that somebody else was gonna fuck him better,
Speaker 2: and he was gonna he was gonna leave our twenty
Speaker 2: five plus years together to go with somebody else, you know.
Speaker 2: And so we actually came up with the term for it.
Speaker 2: We call it deconstructing monogamy, where like, you know, we've
Speaker 2: been taught this one way and this is the only
Speaker 2: way to do it and all of that. So the
Speaker 2: thing about like what you said, I didn't realize that
Speaker 2: it's more common for people to do like female female
Speaker 2: male first, like to go in and have the female
Speaker 2: because we have been in it for about a year
Speaker 2: and a half now and we just recently have done
Speaker 2: a MFF you know, a male female female yea, And
Speaker 2: it just took a lot for me to learn that.
Speaker 2: I think the biggest thing, like I was saying before,
Speaker 2: is that like I was taught that sex was this
Speaker 2: heavily like feeling, yeah and romantic and yeah, so that's
Speaker 2: how I how I looked at it. And my husband
Speaker 2: that's not how, you know, Like he was like, no,
Speaker 2: this is like I want you to share you I
Speaker 2: would I want other people to have this great experience.
Speaker 2: I want you to have this great experience with other people.
Speaker 2: And and I couldn't figure it took me a while
Speaker 2: to like feel and I'm still definitely figuring that out.
Speaker 2: But yeah, like now I can I use the example
Speaker 2: to my therapist. I'm like, I could be in a
Speaker 2: room and it could be my husband and two thousand
Speaker 2: women and they're just fucking and I don't get jealous.
Speaker 2: But the second he like puts somebody's hair behind her ear,
Speaker 2: I'm like, what gon leave me? You know, and she
Speaker 2: So you know, I'm learning, I'm learning things like that.
Speaker 2: But yeah, yes, it's really it's really interesting that like
Speaker 2: I came into this a little backwards.
Speaker 1: Sure, you know, sure it. You know what was interesting though,
Speaker 1: is we can never apply to ourselves or to other
Speaker 1: people the same standard we apply to ourselves. In this way,
Speaker 1: when you are with your husband and a stranger comes
Speaker 1: up with his wife and he starts fucking from behind,
Speaker 1: I bet not even once did you think I might
Speaker 1: leave my husband for this general It never came into
Speaker 1: your head. No. If I thought of my wife setting
Speaker 1: something up for me to get blown by another woman,
Speaker 1: I would probably have an amazing time. And the whole
Speaker 1: time I would go. Do you know how much I
Speaker 1: would not want to break this woman into my jokes
Speaker 1: to get her to laugh at shit? Do you know
Speaker 1: how to.
Speaker 2: Tell her all your dad all your dad jokes? You know?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, I do all my quirks and habits and
Speaker 1: everything else. I don't want to do that to someone else.
Speaker 1: I already have that person for me, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So but I couldn't. I knew that logically, Yeah,
Speaker 2: but I couldn't get it through you know, emotionally. I
Speaker 2: think is probably the best way to say it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And then what was the way that you were
Speaker 1: able to kind of at least push it? Is? It
Speaker 1: is it communication. Is it him saying something along those
Speaker 1: lines like I would never leave you blah blah blahlah
Speaker 1: blah or yeah, go ahead, go ahead, what does it?
Speaker 2: So he's a saint, like honestly, and I think every
Speaker 2: day that we I mean, no relationship is perfect, obviously,
Speaker 2: but I every day that we've been together, he's told
Speaker 2: me how beautiful I am and like all of that,
Speaker 2: and I'll just like, okay, you know things, but like,
Speaker 2: you know, being in this kind of atmosphere, I'm like, no,
Speaker 2: he really does think that, Like I'm the beautiful that's
Speaker 2: not a word, the most beautiful person here, you know.
Speaker 2: Like and like like if you and your wife went,
Speaker 2: you would think she's the most you know, like you said,
Speaker 2: You're like, I wouldn't trade what I had for anything,
Speaker 2: you know. So yeah, it took, honestly, therapy and I've
Speaker 2: just started therapy, but her helping me refrain things and
Speaker 2: just think of yeah, just think of humans in kind
Speaker 2: of a different way too, you know. And and like
Speaker 2: I think one thing that I was taught with the
Speaker 2: church is that other women are like my enemy. And
Speaker 2: because those women are going to make my boyfriend or
Speaker 2: husband sin or stumble or whatever. So like we were
Speaker 2: almost taught this very hateful way of being around other women,
Speaker 2: and so coming into this lifestyle where like women are
Speaker 2: champion for other women, I'm like, oh my god, I
Speaker 2: love this, you know, like and getting into like the
Speaker 2: world that I am now, like you know, the the
Speaker 2: only fans side and that kind of world. I've met
Speaker 2: some of the most kind people who are like, here's
Speaker 2: what I did. You know, here's exactly what I'm doing,
Speaker 2: like giving me all of this information to be successful.
Speaker 2: You know. It's just like a my husband and I
Speaker 2: have been staying since we got in the lifestyle that
Speaker 2: the community, the lifestyle community is literally what a church
Speaker 2: should be, like, you know, like the non judgmental like
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what it is. It's funny you describe
Speaker 1: something there that makes a lot of sense. It is
Speaker 1: in your religious organization, but then there's other cultural organizations
Speaker 1: that do the same thing, and governments and whatever that
Speaker 1: kind of suppress women.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: We don't want you guys being friends and getting too
Speaker 1: much fucking power. Okay, we don't. We don't want you
Speaker 1: getting too much power. Yeah, because the point of industry.
Speaker 1: You see what happens when you get too much power.
Speaker 1: It's you run the roost. You guys set the prices,
Speaker 1: you do this and that. So coming from areas with strong,
Speaker 1: powerful men, yeah, it makes sense to go. You know,
Speaker 1: she probably talks shit about you, or you don't want
Speaker 1: to be her friend. You want to just listen to me,
Speaker 1: right right right?
Speaker 2: Yes, And it's so crazy because I'm like, no, like what,
Speaker 2: Like I have a friend that's very successful and she's
Speaker 2: just like I said, she's the most giving, like she
Speaker 2: wants to offer her help. And any woman I would say,
Speaker 2: of any of the women that I've met so far,
Speaker 2: have been just like that, not met any hateful people
Speaker 2: or like, you know, I'm not gonna tell you this
Speaker 2: because you might do better than me or something. You know.
Speaker 2: It's like no, Like the friend that's kind of super
Speaker 2: helpful to me, she's like, oh, you're gonna as soon
Speaker 2: as you start showing your face, you're gonna kill you know,
Speaker 2: like just like supportive and like kind. I don't know,
Speaker 2: it's just no, it's a culture I'm not used to,
Speaker 2: and I love it.
Speaker 1: It makes it makes total sense, it really does. Like
Speaker 1: you know, once there's no longer a need for like
Speaker 1: the trying to find scraps where you're in an industry
Speaker 1: where you guys are in the best possible way possible
Speaker 1: of the product. You know, you guys are what is
Speaker 1: for sale. That sounds so bad, but it's not, I know,
Speaker 1: you know, in my general mind, I just mean the
Speaker 1: concept of it. Whatever. When when that happens, there's a
Speaker 1: lot of people who've had a lot of power for
Speaker 1: a long time who start realizing I'm losing grasp on things.
Speaker 1: And you'll see that in this industry too, in terms
Speaker 1: of booking new girls a lot early on for mainstream
Speaker 1: stuff and then letting it drop off for a while.
Speaker 1: And if it drops off long enough, maybe the prices
Speaker 1: come down or the rates come down, or this and that.
Speaker 1: But things like only fans, things like fans ly, things
Speaker 1: like chatterbait, any of the individual things. You are setting
Speaker 1: your own standard for what you expect for the work
Speaker 1: you deliver. Yep, it is. It's funny. And I am
Speaker 1: not making this a political point whatsoever, And I'm not
Speaker 1: going to point anything.
Speaker 2: Out sound like that. I don't think.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm gonna make this point here. It is one
Speaker 1: of the greatest examples of capitalism is this industry where
Speaker 1: if you're the girl who pops on and is tweeting
Speaker 1: twenty hours a day and editing your videos and shooting
Speaker 1: them and scheduling everything, you are going to be rich.
Speaker 1: There is a market for you, right.
Speaker 2: Oh, and there's so much like there's not It's like
Speaker 2: we're not going to run out, you know, like sure,
Speaker 2: like so somebody can have three million followers. Somebody also
Speaker 2: can have three million different followers, you know, or even
Speaker 2: the same whatever, but sure, yeah, there's a room for everyone.
Speaker 1: It's it's the greatest version of to me, at least,
Speaker 1: it's one of the greatest versions of how much work
Speaker 1: you put in matters to how much you get out
Speaker 1: from it. And a lot of you girls are just
Speaker 1: killing it. And I could not be happier when I
Speaker 1: see you and only fans model saying I made fifty
Speaker 1: four million. Now, for a second, I go, what the
Speaker 1: fuck am I doing wrong? But but then I see
Speaker 1: the tits and I go, oh, yeah, that that's why
Speaker 1: I'll have this. Yeah, So talk me through this. How
Speaker 1: do we then decide now that we are doing this
Speaker 1: in our personal life, we're enjoying this, we're engaging with this,
Speaker 1: How do we take it the next step further? How
Speaker 1: do we go I need everyone to see this ass
Speaker 1: And And was that another level of fear and another
Speaker 1: level of locking in like body comfort and all that
Speaker 1: tell me about your decision to go into that.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So so one of the podcasts that I listened
Speaker 2: to she also has and only fans, and and they've
Speaker 2: her and her husband or her and her husband have
Speaker 2: been only fans and they've gone on there and like,
Speaker 2: you know, told how to be successful and things like that.
Speaker 2: And we have figured out that we like being watched.
Speaker 2: I think we've known that for a while and so
Speaker 2: and we have always like videotaped ourselves, and then we
Speaker 2: get into this lifestyle and like other people, they're like,
Speaker 2: let's do it, you know, we want to look back
Speaker 2: on these things. And so we got to the point
Speaker 2: where we're like, we might be making we can maybe
Speaker 2: make money for this, you know. And but I had
Speaker 2: a fear of the way that we left the church
Speaker 2: slash were forcibly removed was very embarrassing and like dehumanizing,
Speaker 2: and so I knew that I wanted to start in
Speaker 2: only fans actually read this really good, good book. I
Speaker 2: don't know it's called hold On, I got it right there.
Speaker 2: Margot's got money problems, Margot's Got money troubles, and they
Speaker 2: actually have a TV show on Netflix and it's amazing. Anyways,
Speaker 2: joined this book club. We started reading them and she,
Speaker 2: I guess I don't want to give away the book,
Speaker 2: but basically she starts doing only fans and kind of
Speaker 2: goes through a lot of the same feelings that I'm
Speaker 2: going through, where like, oh, like I have this confidence,
Speaker 2: Oh I can like set my own rights, like I
Speaker 2: can determine my own worth, you know, things like that,
Speaker 2: and so that kind of got my brain thinking about it,
Speaker 2: and then we went to the yeah, let's just try it,
Speaker 2: like you know, what's the harm. And honestly, until very
Speaker 2: very recently, we were you can only see my face
Speaker 2: behind a paywall, and I'm I just now have got
Speaker 2: like an offer to do like kind of step up
Speaker 2: a little bit in the industry. And with that they're like, Okay,
Speaker 2: you either show your face or you don't, you know,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, you know what, We're gonna do it.
Speaker 2: You know, like I've been humiliated beyond bee Leaf with
Speaker 2: other things. So like we've been here, we've done that,
Speaker 2: and I think just the main thing is like I
Speaker 2: just don't want my parents to find out, but they're gonna. Yeah.
Speaker 2: You know. My thing is if you're if you're there,
Speaker 2: you're there too. You know, if you're if you're finding me,
Speaker 2: you're finding me because you're there.
Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah. You know what's funny is you can
Speaker 1: look back someday and tell someone they'll go, how did
Speaker 1: you get in the porn? And your answer is church
Speaker 1: and books? You know that, right? Your answer is church
Speaker 1: and books? Yeah, the Internet's just like the internet.
Speaker 2: How true that is?
Speaker 1: The Internet is destroying children's minds? What got you into
Speaker 1: church and books? Okay?
Speaker 2: Yeah, so's you know and smutty boogs?
Speaker 1: Sure, so let me get into that then. So what
Speaker 1: have we done on film? Is it strictly you and
Speaker 1: husband performing scenes? Is it other people you've brought in?
Speaker 1: Talked me through what your contract? If I head on
Speaker 1: over to OnlyFans dot Com. Slash Swinging Vix and Jenna
Speaker 1: links to everything are in the episode description as always,
Speaker 1: you know our deal, tell me what I'm going to
Speaker 1: see if I head over there.
Speaker 2: So you are going to see just a plethora of stuff.
Speaker 2: There is a good bit with me and my husband,
Speaker 2: but we actually started thinking about like the business side
Speaker 2: of things too, and we're like, like, chat GBT has
Speaker 2: been super helpful. The one that's associated to X has
Speaker 2: been because it gives you a bunch of facts and stuff.
Speaker 2: So we were like, what is you know, what do
Speaker 2: people want to see? And for my category being a milf,
Speaker 2: people want to see BBC's you know, And I'm like, hey,
Speaker 2: that's fun for me. So if you go over to
Speaker 2: my only fans right now, I have a good amount
Speaker 2: of BBC videos, Like I just did one outside on
Speaker 2: public property, I mean not public private. I'm sorry, I'm
Speaker 2: at fred and that was, oh my gosh, a blast.
Speaker 2: That was just with one one BBC. But I've done
Speaker 2: uh two BBC's my friend, and I said, that's been
Speaker 2: so kind to me. She's let me come in on
Speaker 2: some of her gang bangs, which had just been like
Speaker 2: they're just so fun to me, you know, like, and
Speaker 2: I think part of it is that part of my
Speaker 2: brain that wants to be like like go the opposite
Speaker 2: direction of everything. So I'm sure my therapist can figure
Speaker 2: that out, you know, That's what that's what we're pay
Speaker 2: him for. But yeah, so if you go over to
Speaker 2: my page, you're going to see a lot of that,
Speaker 2: a lot of boobs, a lot of a lot of ass,
Speaker 2: Like my thing is my ass, you know. I know
Speaker 2: I'm having to share this part right now.
Speaker 1: But yeah, okay, all right, maybe at the end we
Speaker 1: get a twirl, not not guaranteed, Hey, coming for it.
Speaker 1: Stick around and listen, folks, okay and watch. Can I
Speaker 1: ask this and again if any of this gets too personal,
Speaker 1: just let me know. Does your husband film all of
Speaker 1: your scenes with these people or is it other people
Speaker 1: as well?
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, So one thing about my husband is when
Speaker 2: he gets into something, he's like sure, full force, you know,
Speaker 2: and so he's got all the I mean, we shoot
Speaker 2: most everything with our iPhones, but he's got like like
Speaker 2: a holder and microphone and you know, a chest strap,
Speaker 2: you know. So it's we've had like some po V
Speaker 2: stuff like so that not necessarily my husband has done it,
Speaker 2: but we've had other people where the it's you know,
Speaker 2: something that straps on them and then it puts the
Speaker 2: phone on there. So yeah, so if he's not involved
Speaker 2: in it, then he's probably and then he's filming it
Speaker 2: because if I if it's left up to me, I'll
Speaker 2: have it face in the corner or something. You know. Sure, yeah,
Speaker 2: it's a mastermind behind it.
Speaker 1: My Jenna has to put up with the same bullshit
Speaker 1: where I get a little bit of an idea and
Speaker 1: we go, well, now we need all the equipment for.
Speaker 2: It, but you have to you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean hey, but you know what that is
Speaker 1: commitment to a thing, you know, and that's what sets
Speaker 1: you apart from a hot girl that just pops on
Speaker 1: and posts a picture of a pit and then never
Speaker 1: shows back up.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Can I ask this about your husband? So I was
Speaker 1: blown away by all the Swinger interviews I had done
Speaker 1: over this past season where I was like, that is
Speaker 1: so not what I would have thought it is. Is
Speaker 1: your husband into the cuckold aspect at all? Is there
Speaker 1: any talking to him, is there any humiliation to him
Speaker 1: anything that he likes in that aspect or the more
Speaker 1: common thing I've seen. Only because you think of the
Speaker 1: word cook or cuckoldah blah blah blah, you associate it
Speaker 1: with that, and then you would go, well, this gentleman's
Speaker 1: wife has sex with other guys, so I would think that,
Speaker 1: But is it more him watching you be pleasured? That
Speaker 1: he really enjoys, do you know if it's one of
Speaker 1: the two.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So we've actually had this conversation a few times.
Speaker 2: Like and you were talking about communication before, and we
Speaker 2: heard this coming into the lifestyle, but like if you
Speaker 2: can't communicate, that's an issue. So like another thing for
Speaker 2: me I found out coming into the lifestyle that with
Speaker 2: one hundred percent certainty, like I am neuro divergent, and
Speaker 2: that's affected our conversations, you know, And so okay, so
Speaker 2: you're talking about that part of it. So we've also
Speaker 2: learned that there are different kind of like cuckholds, and
Speaker 2: there are different kinds of ways of doing things. So
Speaker 2: if you're a cuckhold, then you're not necessarily being humiliated,
Speaker 2: you know. Because for me, I like I feel like
Speaker 2: I have like a heart that like I would cry,
Speaker 2: you know, if I had to humiliate my husband, I
Speaker 2: would cry, you know. But other people love it, you know,
Speaker 2: and like that's their kink, and you know, we don't.
Speaker 2: I don't judge anybody else, you know, even if it's
Speaker 2: something that I don't want to do, it's fine, you
Speaker 2: do you you know, like whatever, And so I've we
Speaker 2: had a conversation one time where I was like, so,
Speaker 2: tell me, like what about this, you know, do you
Speaker 2: love and he loves to watch me get fucked or
Speaker 2: play and stuff, and I asked him, I was like, okay,
Speaker 2: rate it like with getting to you know, getting to
Speaker 2: be with another person. He's like, you know, like they're
Speaker 2: kind of close, and I'm like, for my brain, I
Speaker 2: can't I can't understand it, you know, I can't comprehend it.
Speaker 2: But he loves it, you know, And and then I love
Speaker 2: that he loves it. And then we're all turned to
Speaker 2: you know, it's like a circle. It works out for everybody.
Speaker 2: But yeah, but there's a word for it, and it's
Speaker 2: not coming to my mind right now, but where like
Speaker 2: you see your partner having this great experience and you're
Speaker 2: so happy for them. You know, it starts with the
Speaker 2: sea and it'll come to me in a minute. But yeah,
Speaker 2: it's so I see him and I'm like, oh my god,
Speaker 2: look at that Look at that girl's ass. You know,
Speaker 2: I'm like, that must feel so great. Does that feel great?
Speaker 2: You know? He's like, yeah, having a great time, you know.
Speaker 2: So I don't know, it's just like to me, it's
Speaker 2: just like joy. It's just happiness and joy, and I
Speaker 2: would be lying to say that we haven't hit issues,
Speaker 2: but a lot of the issues are me figuring out
Speaker 2: how to communicate, you know, like because we haven't had
Speaker 2: to talk through things like this before the lifestyle, because
Speaker 2: we were because my mindset was more like what do
Speaker 2: I do to make my husband happy? And that sounds horrible,
Speaker 2: but like that was kind of my mindset, like I'm
Speaker 2: doing this for my husband, doing this for eternal, have
Speaker 2: a house in heaven, you know whatever, you know, but yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't know. It's it's a neat a neat change.
Speaker 1: Me. Let me just comment on one thing you said,
Speaker 1: and I understand you were just trying to figure out
Speaker 1: where it was and maybe your perception of it within
Speaker 1: the church. But your job, you said, was just to
Speaker 1: make your husband happy. I bet your husband on a
Speaker 1: level believes my job is to make Jenna happy. You know,
Speaker 1: maybe we look at that and it's not maybe we
Speaker 1: can't look at it in such a negative way because
Speaker 1: of the negative circumstances you had, so that we have
Speaker 1: to look at it as, Oh, guess what, I just
Speaker 1: figured out what love is. You know, I get joy
Speaker 1: crazy out of making you happy. You get joy out
Speaker 1: of making me Persian.
Speaker 2: That's what it is. That's what I'm okay, all right,
Speaker 2: all right, don't come to me.
Speaker 1: I will google it afterwards.
Speaker 2: Yes, getting happiness from seeing your your partner happy, you know.
Speaker 2: And yeah, and it's just like so giving, it so loving.
Speaker 2: It's so like like when I said what the church
Speaker 2: should be? You know, sure, so this is our church.
Speaker 2: There's some country song out there that's like, this is
Speaker 2: you know, my church?
Speaker 1: Can I tell you? It didn't even click with me
Speaker 1: until just now that So what I do on the
Speaker 1: show is I pair the Brand New Faces performers up
Speaker 1: with a mainstream performer and we put it out at
Speaker 1: the same time and during the same week. And what
Speaker 1: I really like to do is try and find people
Speaker 1: that fit even though they don't know each other at all.
Speaker 1: On this season and if people are listening to this now,
Speaker 1: Christy's episode came out earlier in the week. Brand New
Speaker 1: Faces comes out Tuesday, you know, Friday's Going Deeper comes
Speaker 1: out Tuesdays. I interviewed Christy Love, who was a pastor, comedian,
Speaker 1: and porn star at the same time.
Speaker 2: They had their own same time.
Speaker 1: Yes, she was definitely a pastor, and a porn star
Speaker 1: at the same time. They had their own church when
Speaker 1: they broke off, but she also had wonderful church stories
Speaker 1: and explaining how it felt coming out of that system
Speaker 1: and changing your mindset. So I you know, that's crazy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's really, It's like sometimes it just fits perfectly, you know.
Speaker 1: So check that episode out if you haven't already, folks.
Speaker 1: All right, couple more questions here. What is something we
Speaker 1: are looking to hit maybe this year some either a
Speaker 1: plateau or you want to do either a specific nichure,
Speaker 1: a type of thing, like is there anything you too
Speaker 1: are looking at and going we just need to plan
Speaker 1: that and that is gonna be killer.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think, hmm, that's a great question. I probably
Speaker 2: should have thought of this beforehand. I think are my
Speaker 2: focus and my husband's focus when it comes to like
Speaker 2: business is like we just want to do a ton
Speaker 2: of collabs and mainly, you know, one of the obviously
Speaker 2: for selfish reasons, because we want to get ourselves out there,
Speaker 2: but like we also want to like surround ourselves with
Speaker 2: like minded people, you know, And so I think that
Speaker 2: that's probably like on the list of things that is
Speaker 2: just to keep continuous collabs going. And being able to
Speaker 2: you know, there's a lot of things that like hold
Speaker 2: me back, like the real life, you know, like I
Speaker 2: have to have a full time job and things like that,
Speaker 2: you know, But yeah, I would say that that's probably
Speaker 2: like where my where my like business mind is headed.
Speaker 2: I do get excited when I think about like pro
Speaker 2: porn and and I think that I'm still learning like
Speaker 2: what exactly that that is as well, Like, but I
Speaker 2: see like certain things out there, like you know, I
Speaker 2: don't know, but yeah, that gets me excited to look
Speaker 2: and sit and think like, oh that could be Like sure,
Speaker 2: there's no reason why that couldn't be me. You know,
Speaker 2: if I work hard enough. That's I listen to a
Speaker 2: podcast where it's two girls who have only fans and
Speaker 2: they're just like, you know, the people in this this
Speaker 2: world are some of the hardest working people. Like you
Speaker 2: work hard and it pays, It literally pays, and and
Speaker 2: then the benefit of it is you start to develop
Speaker 2: this community of people that's like amazing. You know, you
Speaker 2: just kind of like make friends along the way too.
Speaker 1: It's so funny. The vanilla stigma, looking at it from
Speaker 1: the outside is oh, yeah, you wake up, you go
Speaker 1: have sex with a guy for you know, a half hour,
Speaker 1: you go home, you collect your fifty thousand dollars paycheck,
Speaker 1: and then you never have to go on social media again.
Speaker 1: And I have to tell them.
Speaker 2: Where did I get that?
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, yes, I think you got to work in
Speaker 1: banking for that. But but I tell these people that's
Speaker 1: so incorrect. These girls traded in an eight hour office
Speaker 1: job for a sixteen hour like personal dig deep into
Speaker 1: your life job. Right. Yeah, So hey, if you are
Speaker 1: morally against Born, I can't stop you. But don't ever
Speaker 1: call him lazy.
Speaker 2: Okay, don't for sure until you see somebody that or
Speaker 2: have it. They it's just there's no concept there of that,
Speaker 2: you know. Like like, for I have learned of a
Speaker 2: lot of people who are in my position where we're
Speaker 2: working full time jobs and then we're also trying to
Speaker 2: to get this up up and going, which is honestly
Speaker 2: like another full time job. So it's like like in
Speaker 2: my head, I'm like, yeah, this is hard work. This
Speaker 2: this is really hard, but hopefully all the hard work
Speaker 2: will pay off, you know, in the long run. And
Speaker 2: you know, it's funny.
Speaker 1: People from the outside probably see sex as the job.
Speaker 1: That's not the job. The job part is the production
Speaker 1: and everything, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, sex part's like ten percent. Yah, you know yeah,
Speaker 2: honestly the lifestyle also maybe twenty percent, but you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm okay, all right. I have to ask this.
Speaker 1: This is going to be one of my last questions here.
Speaker 1: Is there anything either side in your relationship is slowly
Speaker 1: trying to plant the idea in the head of the
Speaker 1: other person, like, oh man, you know what would be cool?
Speaker 1: Three girls and me and you? That would be fun
Speaker 1: and just like throwing it out there. I don't know
Speaker 1: or do you ever go, like, you know, if we
Speaker 1: could call maybe like six black guys this weekend, we
Speaker 1: could do a real b see fast. But you know
Speaker 1: that's totally up to you. Husband, he would be like,
Speaker 1: yep on it. Is there anything we're trying to trying
Speaker 1: to figure out a way to process or deal with
Speaker 1: a type of thing or something?
Speaker 2: Oh man, I I am like a huge fan of
Speaker 2: just like orgies, like a bunch of people like, to me,
Speaker 2: that's so much fun because it's just like there's so
Speaker 2: many options, like you have, you know, so like you know,
Speaker 2: when you said that about six BBC's, my mind's going
Speaker 2: to like, I mean that six is great, but like
Speaker 2: twenty would be really cool, you know, or whatever. So
Speaker 2: the sky's a limit, you know, as long as you
Speaker 2: have a big enough room. I guess.
Speaker 1: Well, Jenna, I think you are spectacular.
Speaker 2: I wish her let me do this like that's so nice.
Speaker 1: No, I you know, again, like I said at the beginning,
Speaker 1: it's about inviting on the people that actually want to
Speaker 1: work in this or to do stuff in this, or
Speaker 1: enjoy being in this. It's not the hot person who
Speaker 1: passes by and says, maybe I can make a quick buck,
Speaker 1: you know. So look, congratulations on breaking yourself out of
Speaker 1: the prison you felt like you were in for a
Speaker 1: lot of your life. Now yeah, not just church, the body,
Speaker 1: positivity things everything. I think this is a huge step
Speaker 1: for you. I don't know why I'm telling you that now,
Speaker 1: I'm talking about like I'm done film this huge step.
Speaker 2: Yeah it makes sense.
Speaker 1: Yeah, totally totally my guest tonight, Jenna. You can find
Speaker 1: her on Twitter at swing Vixen Jenna, And more importantly,
Speaker 1: when the cash rolls in for you, which should be
Speaker 1: every other Friday maybe if you're working, head on over
Speaker 1: to OnlyFans and check her out at Swinging Vixen Jenna
Speaker 1: links to everything or in the episode description. As always,
Speaker 1: make sure you support the content creators that come on
Speaker 1: the show. Jenna, thank you so much for coming on
Speaker 1: with me tonight.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Matt. This is amazing. You were doing such
Speaker 2: a great thing, just build. Having this platform for p