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I'm good staring you doing good, doing good. We recently
we recently hung out in Portland, well not in Portland,
in Portland, I mean, we did spend some time in
Portland and it wasn't it wasn't what people said it
is that was that was nice. And but you spoke
at it at an event I was at recently, and
then we had a chance to talk a little bit
at the after party. I wanted to invite you on
to talk about the subject of your your talk and
a little bit about what we talked about privately. But
before we do that, you give yourself an introduction, anything
you want to share with people.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Sure. First of all, Pete, it's an honor to
be here. You know, I've listened to you for years.
I've tried to get away from YouTube, so it's been
a little bit less, but honestly, it's it's great to
have the opportunity to chat.
Speaker 1: So.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm an Orgonia native, you know. It's it's a state.
I've you know, lived here for much of my life.
I love it. I feel a very deep connect into it.
My family's been here for over one hundred and fifty years.
You know, I had the opportunity to travel the world,
So I've lived in other countries. I've lived into other
parts of the country here. You know, I've gone to
college in a couple of different states, bounced around and
had the opportunity to see a lot, got a couple
of degrees that are you know, just worthless, of course,
and now I work in an industry where I don't
use those degrees at all. And you know, as I've
kind of built my career, I've become very passionate about
just building local communities. I've seen that, you know, the
meme that you can just do things is a very
real thing, and I've witnessed it in my own life
and in my own community. And so I hope that
tonight we have the opportunity to kind of encourage other
guys to do the same.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the whole you can just do things. I think
people relied too much upon politics. I want to apply
that to politics, but really, when it comes down to it,
in your life, you really can just do things if
you apply yourself, especially when it comes to going into business.
For yourself. It seems more more and more like if
you're relying on somebody else for employment, you know, you're
you're at their mercy, you're at their at their will.
So yeah, I think more and more people are starting
to realize that if they're going to have a future,
then it's probably going to be something, if at least
not full time, something that they can supplement on their
own time.
Speaker 2: Well, you know, we live fundamentally a historical lifestyle, like
just as modern humans. And I know I'm kind of
stating the obvious, but you know I can't. I don't
know the exact statistic. I read it the other day,
and of course it's pleased my mind now, but it
was something like eighty or ninety percent of people up
and you know, up to the twentieth century or the
turn of the twentieth century were self employed or you know,
they were just small tradesmen, small businessmen. And really this
corporatized environment that we live in is really unusual in
historic record, and so I do think that this is
really bearing down on people's minds. I think, you know,
we talk a lot about learned helplessness, but when you
go from you know, K through twelve, all the way
into college, if you go to university, and then into
the corporate system. I mean we are infantilized from birth
all the way through debt, and that includes retirement. And
so I when people call you themselves wage slaves, I
think there's actually a lot of truth to that.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think the biggest problem, and it's something that
I've really come to realize recently, is that the economy
is financialized. So if you're if you don't have a
way to benefit from financialization. And when I say financialization,
I'm talking about you know, everything is investment. Everything is
you know, a stock tip here, a stock tip there,
every along you know, your eye your four oh one k.
But then you know, if you want to retire, what
if the market's all the way down, you gotta all
through this and people don't make anything anymore, you know,
there's no manufacturing, so everything is based off of this
whole what's just you know, I mean people look at
the stock market and they're like, Okay, well, if the
stock market's doing well, then the economy is doing well.
That's not that's not right at all. And nobody in
the past, nobody in our past would have thought that right.
Speaker 2: Well, you know, it's it's funny. I I am loath
to admit this, but I am kind of the quintessential
skillless millennial, you know from crayleedn till now. I wasn't
really taught many skills. My father was also a white
collared guy, but he had he picked up some blue
collar skills and was kind of making things in his youth.
And you know, unfortunately he he didn't pass those on.
I mean, granted, you know, he brought me in as
an apprent under you know, his profession later on in life.
But I'm lacking a lot of those skills. And I've
noticed that a lot of my peers also don't know
how to do basic things like fixing their cars or
you know, framing or doing anything basic like that. I mean,
this is I know, again a lot of what I
talk about lament they sound like tropes, but it's it's real,
and it reflects the state of the economy where nobody
knows how to do anything anymore. And one of the
concerns I have is, once the boomers finally go, I
don't know how we maintain any of these things at all.
I don't know how you bring back manufacturing. I mean,
you know, there have been no stories in the news
about like the Koreans that they've been using to quote
unquote you know, train people, but you know, they're just
there to stay permanently. And I think that that's a serious,
serious issue. And the other thing I want to bring
up briefly is, you know, I personally feel a bit
threatened by this AI revolution simply with you know, because
I use my mind for most of my work. You know, granted,
I do a lot of investing in other things, but
my i'm career I think could at some point in
the future be replaced. Whether that's now or in ten years,
I definitely think that that's there. And so I started
working alongside my contractors trying to learn some of the
more physical skills part, you know, just as a kind
of a safeguard. I mean, not I also want to
learn and know and be able to work alongside my guys.
But you know, it's just one of those things when
trying to shore up and hedge my bets and kind
of move into more physical space. Kind of an interesting transition,
kind of the opposite of where everything's been flowing for
the last eighty years.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's kind of crazy that we've gotten to the
point where it was like, well, figure out a side hustle. Well,
you know, if you'll work from home, that's probably best.
Well figure out something to do. That's AI proof.
Speaker 2: You know that the truth is. I don't think. I
don't think there's anything that he is a I prove
ultimately now I'm no tech guy. I have one of
my best friends as a very high quality eye programmer,
so a lot of what I get is from him.
But I do think that again, the timelines are not clear.
I don't think you know tomorrow or in the next
year that the world is going to completely change. I mean,
a lot of people are talking about twenty twenty seven
as a big year and as a milestone, And I
don't know the truth of the matter, to be honest, Pete,
it's really hard to discern. But it's hard to know
if we've been completely light to about you know, where
to go and what to do, or if it's just
kind of the flow of information people trying to adjust
to these changes that are happening so rapidly that nobody
can keep up. It's hard to know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I've heard the accusations that the a lot
of companies are just wanting to cut jobs, so they're
using AI as an excuse. So yeah, yeah, I do.
Speaker 2: And then you know, you read all these articles about oh,
you know these companies they feel like they made a
big mistake and letting people go to early and so
they try and beg for their people to come back,
and you know, just like everything else. And we can
talk about this in a bit. This is why I
really decided to just focus on what I can see
in front of my face, is because it's hard to
understand the truth when there's just so much information out
there that's conflicting, and I'm just not there. I'm not involved.
I don't know people in the industries that are, you know,
involved in these hiring and firing practices. For all I know,
none of this is actually happening, you know.
Speaker 1: So what you talked about at the at the event
had a lot to do with your own form of patronage.
And that's you know, that's something like like the whole
Good Old If you ever listened to the Good Old
Boys podcast, Yeah, it's like the whole thing is about patronage.
I mean, that's their thing. And I think that people
a lot of people try to figure out, well, you know,
how can I help? So, you know, what, what have
you found, uh in some ways that you can help
our you know, our guys or you know, even your community. Yeah, well, yeah, it's.
Speaker 2: It's kind of a complicated question. I mean, I tried
to address it briefly in my speech and then again
at the Q and A that this a lot of
what I have to say isn't universal, Like some things
are going to be more specific to some people, and
some things aren't going to apply to others. You know,
it's it's hard to give any universal advice. But if
I could just give two examples from my own personal
life recently, you know, the one that I brought up,
I have. You know, I've gone through probably three or
four dozen employees over the last two years. You know,
the there is some real truth to the lack of
quality blue collar guys that that is a problem. But anyways,
you know, I found this young guy and he started
begging me for work, and he actually showed up on time,
and he's been very consistent, and you know, I started
to really appreciate that, and I decided to take him
underneath my wing. You know, I I've got multiple projects
that are going but I can't always keep him busy
because he doesn't have skills. So one of the first
things I did was help him get his driver's permit.
I have him drive me around to get his hours.
You know, he just got his permit about a month ago,
and I ended up having to pay for the costs
and fees to get his permit, and I helped him
fix his jeep. So he drives me around from job
site to job site in order to get his hours.
And you know, I have him when he's not working
for me, I have him working for one of my
landscaper buddies. And this landscaper guy owns a pretty successful
business and has been teaching him a more specific heartscaping,
so building patios and retaining walls, and we kind of
just pass him around. And when I show up to
a job site and we're doing something like laying floors,
I ask my contractor to teach him and to be
patient with him. And you know, it's it's a long process,
but the most important thing to me is that he
actually shows up and cares and wants to do good work.
And so that's kind of what I've done for him.
You know, it's it's only cost me a couple hundred bucks,
and you know I've already made more than enough on
my investment in him. And I don't even think about
it that way. I just see a young kid who
has a single mom and wants to do better and
wants to be better. But you know, he was floundering
before I met him, and it literally all it took
was for another man to just tell him he needs
to get his license and to show him how to work.
And he's been great. And then I've got another example.
Speaker 1: If you don't mind, no, please go ahead. Okay, good.
Speaker 2: So I have another guy, and I actually just dealt
with this yesterday. He's in his mid thirties, lives in
a trailer park and was in the process of getting
evicted because he was, you know, four or five months
behind you in like four thousand bucks. I mean, it
was not a good deal, and it was a place
that he lived there for about ten years. Anyways, he's
been my drywall and he's a he's a really good guy.
And you know, he's another one of those guys you
can tell he's down on his luck, you know, his
waters you can tell that his water's been shut off,
you know, he catch my drift, you know. But he's
a good guy and he works hard, and I you know,
I know that he if just given a little bit
of love, you know. So anyways, I ended up getting
ahold of his park manager and having a conversation with
the guy, and we were able to negotiate a deal
to kind of at least buy him some time to
figure things out. And this guy, he didn't cry, but
you could tell and his voice was a little emotional.
And all I did was make a phone call and
you know, work something out. And he told me that
he just it was the first time in his life
that anybody has, you know, even tried to stand up
for him. And you know, and I told him, I
wish that he'd told me about his situation sooner, and
maybe we could have prevented a lot of the pressure
that he's under. So anyways, you know, those are just
two examples, you know, of guys and situations that I
actually do with quite frequently where I actually don't have
to do very much, but it means the world to
these guys. And I know, Pete, that they will be
loyal to me, probably for life or as long as
we live in the same area.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's it's important, and yeah, it just I
guess it feels right, you know, the to be able
to will help somebody who's in a in a bad situation,
you know, especially if they're the kind of people that
this culture and this government and the academia everyone hates
and says is evil. Yeah. If if we don't take
try to take care of them, you know, no one's
going to at this point, especially especially if their family
is you know, if they're derascinator from their family or
you know, well, I live.
Speaker 2: In an area that has been absolutely devastated by the
you know, the drug epidemic. You know, I we don't
need to get into it, but I hate the word
epidemic when it's applied to this. But you know, there
have been a lot of families who have been absolutely
and utterly destroyed by this, and a lot of men
that I've met. You know, there are a lot of
loggers out here, and a lot of these guys are
heavy drug users. Unfortunately, some of them can keep it
together and work hard, and a lot of guys, you know,
they get hurt on the job or they go crazy.
I see that a lot. But what I've noticed, Pete
when in talking to these guys is that there's so
much energy under the surface with them. I Mean, it's
one of the reasons that I'm actually really excited and
passionate about this is because these guys have a lot
that they want to give. They just need somebody who
cares about them. And as gay as that may sound like,
it's the absolute truth. If they sense that there's another
man who's just there to look out for him and
it actually means it and will stand by it, they
I just you can see it in their faces and
the way that they act, right, I mean, even if
it's not necessarily spoken. Again, going back to the gentleman
and his house, I make this phone call and I
know that he's going to be more willing to show
up and help me do whatever that I need, and
he's gonna cut me breaks in the future. And there
are a lot of these guys that are like that.
They just need like somebody to look out for and
somebody to lead them.
Speaker 1: Well, what do you do you think it is is
that people more people would try to help them, but
they see them because of the situation they're in. The
assumption is is that they're lazy. They're not going to
be a good worker, and you know, why would I.
It may just be a waste of time trying to
do this.
Speaker 2: I think there's a number of factors, you know, I
putting the race one aside, which is kind of the
obvious one and the easy one. I think there really
is a real class component to this that I know. Again,
we've explored this and talked about this, but I see
a lot of people that have just discussed and disdain
for this class of men. You know, these blue collar guys.
They're a little dirty, you know, maybe a little on kempt.
They work long hours, they work unusual hours, they drive
beat up pickup trucks. You know, they chew tobacco, they're rough,
they swear. I mean, I live in a town where
guys still getting fights at the bars regularly, just over
stupid stuff, you know, like and people. I think people
just find them uncouth and disgusting. And for me, I
don't understand that attitude. You know, I can understand being
a little bit report, you know, I got I have
my guilty pleasures, you know, I very much am maybe
not and I'm definitely not an intellectual right. I would
not consider myself one, but I definitely find company with professors,
and I enjoy engaging in some of these deeper conversations
that some of these guys don't necessarily want to talk
to me about. Not that they can't, by the way,
I've found a lot of these guys are very capable
of deep thoughts just given the chance. But there's just
there's an essence and a soul to these guys that
it's just it's part and I'm sorry, I'm trying to
reach for the words and I don't have it, But
there's something real to these men that could just again,
given some attention and some real leadership. I think this
is why I mean, again, I don't want to go
too far afield here at Pete, but this is why Trump,
the Trump Revolution seemed to have happened. This is why
he had so much power and energy the first time
and the second time, you know, because these guys were
latching on to somebody who they actually genuinely thought was
looking out for their interests, you know. So it's I
don't know, I just again so I to bring it back.
I just think it's a besides the race thing, it's
a class thing and people are separated from them too, right.
I mean, it's it's when we talk about the role
versus the urban it very much is that there aren't
nearly as many of these blue collar guys where you're
gonna find these left wing or just intellectuals in general,
because I have a hunch that a lot of you,
even more conservative or right leading people, have the same
general reaction to these guys and they don't take the
time to get to know them or talk to them.
Speaker 1: Well, I remember, you know, a while a while ago,
probably nineties, when all you know, black crime was like
all over the TV, because in the eighties it was there,
but you know, TV wasn't as white spread. You were
still at like three channels. And then in the nineties
you start getting cable channels and you start having national news,
national news channels, and you know, whenever they brought an
expert on, it would be like, well, you know, where
are the fathers? Where are the fathers? Do you think that?
Do you think that's made its way into into the
white communities too, now, where there's just yeah, if there's
no father there there's no no one to teach responsibility,
and no one to teach basically how to Okay, you
fall down, get the hell up.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I see this a lot. Unfortunately in these you know,
these kind of poor white rural communities. I definitely think
those same trends are there. And I think this follows
a basic biological pattern, as you just noted, in that
these young men they don't from a young age, they
don't have any man to look up to. And here's
the other failing outside of just having somebody who's there
to tell them, as you said, to just get up,
to stop being weak and not cry, not that those
things are bad, and good fathers, you know, should be
able to teach their sons, whether you know, by telling
them or showing them that, you know, being a man
isn't always about getting in fights and being aggressive and
all that, right, There's a lot more. There's a much
broader depth of being a man than just being you know,
mister macho alpha. But I do think too that when
these young guys they go through school, and I the
school system is not designed for young men. You know,
I'm speaking as a guy who really struggled until I
matured in my early twenties. But they don't have any
heroes to look up to. So not only do they
not have any father to look up to, they probably
don't have an uncle or anybody else in their lives,
maybe an older brother or sibling or something. But you know,
they're not taught about Caesar or you know, George Washington
or Napoleon or any of these men that they might
look up to and grasp on to something great, something,
you know, just something to emulate, and instead they're I
don't even know what they're taught anymore.
Speaker 1: Man, Honestly, I really think it goes towards something that
you know, Thomas seven seven seven talks about the social
engineering regime that you know that we've suffered for over
eighty years now, where it's meant at base, what it's
meant to do is it's meant to tear any kind
of identity that you have, any kind of connection to
your past, any kind of connection to your family, any
kind of connection to any kind of heritage that you have,
and you have a tendency to like you know, I
know people who I know kids who are nineteen twenty
years old, they're getting married, they're having kids, they're buying houses,
and they grew up in a family that was there
for them and pushed them, and it was just a
given that you were screw college, You're going to we
have a network of friends, a community. You'll get a
job at a high school and you'll start right away,
start a family, get a house. If someone we know
has to build the house for you, however big, it'll
be there. And I just think that that is so
so much the exception now that when you hear about that,
people don't believe it because that doesn't really it doesn't
sound real unless you're in that kind of community. And
you know, the further the closer you get to a city,
you get to the ex serbs and the suburbs, and
then you get into the city, a lot of that,
you know, unless people have been in that city for
generations and they do have family around them. I mean,
it's just lost. It's just lost. The I don't know,
I'm thoroughly frustrated because I see how it can be done,
and I see how it's always been done, and I
see how there are certain people and certain families that
continue to do that and not talk about wealthy families either,
And then you look around and it's like you'll see
a family that's well to do, and the children just
fall away. And just I mean I live in South Florida.
South Florida is one of the wealthiest. You're talking about wealth,
big time wealth, Broward County, West Palm Beach. You have
forty five year old men who are working in warehouses,
like just waiting for the family, their parents to die
so that they can inherit money. And it's like, how
do we get to that? How do we what happened
that they weren't raise in a way where it's like, Okay,
you're going to come into the family business. I'll get
you a job at the company. I'll do it, you know.
And and I'm not talking about like off like this is.
I mean I knew a lot of people like that.
I know a lot of people who would come through
my bit, come through my company, who were just looking
for Yeah, I just I probably only work here for
a few months and everything, but you know, I'm just
And then when you guys know them, it's like, yeah,
I'm just you know my parents, my parents are very
well off, and you know I'm gonna inherit it one day.
Speaker 2: Yeah. It's funny growing up where I did you know
I was exposed to a lot of these kind of
Bay Area California families that were moving up until I
too saw a lot of what you're describing, and I
still see it quite frequently, and I think this is
part of that larger theme of boomers and the older generation.
I really hate just blaming boomers, even though as a
generation right there's plenty to despise, But in this area,
I do think that they objectly failed. I mean, you know,
I was again, I was very blessed with the good Father,
but even he shares some of these tendencies. You know,
I'd mentioned that he didn't pass on a lot of
the blue collar skills that he had picked up when
he was younger that I wish that he had taught me.
To his credit, he you know, he brought me in
as an apprentice and taught me his you know, his field.
So I in some ways, I actually got to participate
in something that that's actually quite historically normal. But as
you said, I've noticed that that's the exception. And when
I look around, especially to a lot of these young
guys around here, they're just getting tossed in the meat grinder,
and a lot of a lot of the most successful
people that I have met in my area. They have
a deep connection to the land. I live in a
place where people are still living in the same house
that their ancestors that settled here, you know, one hundred and fifty,
one hundred and sixty years ago lived in, or maybe
not the same house exactly, but on the same parcel
of land. That's actually very common and they so there's
some very for the at least for the West Coast
deep roots here. And what you'll notice with a lot
of these more established families is happy as you described
is it's much more common for the uncle to come
over and help build something, or I've seen a lot
of times where somebody has some excavation skills, or they've
got they own heavy equipment, and somebody else in the
family knows how to run it, and they all work
as these coordinated units. And these are some of the
most deeply in frenched and successful families in my area.
And whereas you know, you take a guy like me,
I'm coming in. I'm a total outsider and I've been
able to get a foothold, but only because the career
that I have chosen, and you know, there aren't very
many people I don't have very many competitors, and that
wasn't why we moved here, but it just happened to
work out that way, thankfully. But it wasn't easy. It's
taken me four and a half years to get to
the point where I actually feel comfortable. I feel like
I'm plugged in and everybody's not looking at me like
an outsider. But it was difficult, and so I got
a bit of a taste of what it's like to
not have anybody to help me out. Whereas if I
had family here who could plug me in right away,
I wouldn't have had to spend four and a half
years and thousands of dollars building connections.
Speaker 1: All right, well, let's transition, and to I mean, it's
not a total transition. I think that this is a
subject that plays into a lot of this too, And
it's something that we you had mentioned in your speech passing,
but we were talking about at the after party, and
I think some of my some of the listeners are
probably sickond tired to me hearing me say this. But
how much do you think that feminization, the feminization of
society and the feminizing of men plays into this.
Speaker 2: It's devastating, Pete, it's so bad, and it's such a
broad topic. You know, it's you know, I don't like
I'll say this over and over again. I have nothing
new to say, right because I don't think we need
to say anything new. It's very obvious how detrimental and
damaging the feminization of not just men, but society as
a whole has been to our quality of living, the
way that we think, the way that we act. I mean,
you know when people talk about, oh, you know, losing freedoms,
one of the reasons for that is this culture of
safetysm that we've been subjected to. And it's absolutely devastating.
When people wonder why the world is becoming a less
interesting place, let's spiritually interesting place, it's because it's safe.
I mean, I was on a hike the other day
out in the middle of the woods, and as I
come up to the trail, I've got signs all over
the beginning of the trail telling me to pick up
my dog poop and giving me all the rules for
hiking on this path. And then you get another sign
just a little bit further down, giving you a detailed
history of the local tribe and what they used to
do with this this waterfall. I mean, it's it's fascinating,
but all of a sudden you realize, like this place
that had some real deep spiritual meaning to the people
that previously inhabited it, now it's just it's totally vandalized
by all these signs making sure that I stay safe,
and quite frankly, I don't think it's about me, so
they don't have to spend you know, money coming to
pick me up if I fall down a cliff side
or something. I mean, it's and it's deeper than that.
But anyways, it's so frustrating just because and this is
one of the things as a man, right as I've
developed my sense of self, and you know, especially as
I've gone off on my own over the last six
years of my life, one of the things that I
come up again so frequently that frustrates me to my
core is that I feel bounded and in changed by
this modern world. I find it to be absolutely suffocating
and unbearable. A COVID, I'm sure has a part to
play in that, but even without COVID, you know, we've
been a couple years past it. Now I just there's
this oppressive feeling in the air. And I know you
feel it too. I think we all do, and but
I don't know how to quite push against it, right.
I just I just feel like every day it shrinks
a little bit more and I get a little more
frustrated with it, and every time I try to break
those bounds and do something, I feel constrained again. It's yeah,
it's just oppressive.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the you know, it's it's massive, and it's basically
infected everything. The way people argue, the way I think
a lot of it has to do with being terminally
online as well, because when you're people do not realize that.
Like so many of the comments and I'm and I'm
probably just as guilty as everybody else. But the comments
that some people make and the way they attack other
people is it's what you used to hear. I used
to hear my mom talk about her friends and be like,
well that person's caddie, you know, like they they just
want to start drama. They just want I mean, you
have no idea on my live streams on Sunday. My
live streams on my on Sunday are me interacting with
the chat. That's what it is. It's for me to
hang out with, hang out with the listeners, the people
who drop by every week, every week without fail. Somebody
asks a question that if I were to answer it,
it would be me. They're trying to get me to
start drama with somebody else.
Speaker 2: And it's like, I've noticed you slowly start losing your
mind over the course of those streams. I've tuned into
a few.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm very stoic in the beginning, normally unless I
go into unless I'm unless I'm ready to do a
rant in the beginning, and then it's like, I mean,
it's what what what do you? What do you? What
are you trying to do to me? And it's not everyone.
Most of the people are in the stream are perfectly fine,
perfectly fine. But it's like, oh, so what do you
think about this person? And it's like do you realize. Look,
I know I'm old, but one good thing about being
old is I've seen this. Like I've been alive when
people weren't like this. I've been alive when there was
no internet. I've been alive when there was no cell phones.
I've been alive when there was three, you know, like
three channels and a couple of local channels on TV.
I've been alive where if you I mean where cable
TV just came out and like, you know, maybe you
could pay a guy one hundred bucks to get you
some illegal HBO And when you when you look like
if you go on Twitter and you scroll a timeline,
if you could just ignore the names of the people,
you would think almost every single person on there was
a like forty five to fifty year old woman responding
to another forty five to fifty year old woman and
they're gossiping and fighting around a kitchen table, playing you know, canasta.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, this is one of the things that
has kept me away from the online space and having
any sort of digital footprint is I have kind of
picked it up d Osmosis, you know, listening to you
and some of the other guys who I enjoyed listening
to and appreciate, and every once in a while I
catch snippets of drama here, drama there, and if I
read substack, you know, I'll sometimes guys write articles about
each other and honestly, Pete, it's just total rank faggotry.
It just disgusted me and I find it repulsive because
that's exactly what it seems like is you've got a
bunch of middle aged women who are in church and
are gods me about Becky down the street. And it's
pathetic for me to see ostensibly men guys on our
side who fancy themselves great men, perhaps just lower themselves
is such a base level. It's pathetic, and I you know,
I don't want to rant for too long on this,
but because you get the point right, it's just, you know,
one of the things I wanted to talk about in
this regard is that energy is a currency, right. Energy
is a thing that you spend in order to get
things done. And when you're spending all of this currency
and wasting your energy online, that's energy that you're not
getting back that could be you know, done or used
for something that's in real life. I mean it's time
that you're using online. It's mental energy that you're using
coming up with a comeback or whatever it might be.
And this complete and utter waste of energy, it's just
like waves dashing upon rocks. I mean, it just does nothing.
It dissipates, and then you know, the energy that you
might have had that could have been done for used
for something in your own personal life or to better
your community is gone and wasted. And I think that
that even above how gay it actually is, that that's
the biggest sin of it all. It's just you're wasting
this energy, this very limited resource that anybody has.
Speaker 1: Well, I think that basically it's a syop that I
think a lot of people have been convinced and I
was at one time so Maya Kulpa, that if you
go on social media, especially if you go on Twitter,
because you know that's where world leaders are and politicians are,
and you make an argument or you chimp out, you're
like you're making a difference. No, And it's like, wait
a minute, So you think that a little political victory
something that's not going to move the needle at all.
Mind you, it makes you feel good. But I think
we all know the kind of change that we would
need politically in order for our lives to like transform
is impossible at this point, impossible at a national level.
So basically people have been psyoped into spending their whole
time online. And that also that ties into you know,
convincing convincing men that there are no women out there
that they can get with. You know, I I you know,
people and I'll say that, and young guys will be
like all the girls I know, they're all shit lives.
You know, they're all liberals, they're they're like leftists, and
I'm like, I mean, literally, the purpose of dating is
to find out if a woman is going to adopt
your politics, because women have no political women have no
political agency onto themselves. And as soon as you accept
that that they better be adopting your politics or you're
going to be divorced and you're going to be miserable,
then you can start figuring this out. But it's also
you know, the feminization of men is it's like, well,
I don't you know, why would I want to change
her mind? Well? Why would I? Because that's that's your
fucking job, because you know, they leave their dad and
they go to you, and that's like biblical or.
Speaker 2: It's like, well, dude, I mean, you shouldn't even have
to change their mind. Honestly, I've noticed this just in
my own relationship with my wife. You know, she and
I we weren't very different people, let's say, but I
definitely had a more realistic perspective about a lot of
the things that we see. And a lot of these
are born through my own personal observations and living situations.
And you know, just I never had to change her mind.
We never had a debate. It just we got you know.
And this is before we got married too.
Speaker 1: It just happens, like it happenssmosis. It just happens. I'm
not saying that you have to you have to actively
get into a debate and hammer and yeah, no, you're no,
she is going to adopt your beliefs because she doesn't
have any concrete beliefs or room. She thinks she does,
but she doesn't.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is That's one of the things that frustrates
me so much about how men perceive their relationships with women.
I mean, I'm not gonna I don't want to do
the whole bloomer stick of pretending like things are the
same as they were, you know. And like I said,
this confidence, I've been out of the game for ten years.
But I don't think that women haven't just fundamentally changed
all of a sudden because of technology. Some things are
certainly different, and there's no denying that there are certainly
difficulties that might have to be overcome, But by and large,
most women they're going to follow your lead. It just happens.
I don't know how else to explain it. I'm sure
that there are people out there in some academic articles.
I don't care. I just I've seen this enough in
real life where and it's not just with my wife, right,
I've you know, we have our friends and and my
buddies wives, and I've noticed much of the same thing
with them. You know, some women are a bit different.
My wife can be stubborn in certain areas, and that's fine, right,
she has her own personality, and that's one of the
reasons I love her. But you know, by and large,
I never debated her, We never argued. I just you know,
there are a few things I told her before I
proposed to her that you know, they were going to
be this way, or we weren't getting married, and that
was it.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, and it's just I think that goes back
to the feminization. It's like you're you're scared to you're
so feminized that you you don't see that you have
to actually be a leader, you know. It's that whole
thing about oh yeah, here's another one. If you're saying, oh,
my wife's my best friend, you bought into a syop,
you bought into a fucking syop. Oh believe me, I've
bought this is my I'm on my last marriage, my
second one, it was. I've bought into that bullshit before too,
So learn from my fucking mistakes. Your your wife's not
your best friend, it's your fucking wife.
Speaker 2: Well, there's there's a hierarchument in order to things now.
I completely agree, you know, it's you know what we
talked about debates and arguments. I mean, we did have
an argument about this a little while ago because I
made a comment very similar to that and that I
don't you know, I don't be her as my best friend.
I love her, I take care of her and uh,
you know, and we have a great relationship. She's she's
a wonderful woman. But consider your I don't you know,
I don't go drink beers with my wife and cus
and do whatever. You know, you know I'm going to
go do in my free time with the boys. You know,
I'm just not gonna do it with my wife. I've
got friends for that and we're not going to do that.
And I'm also not going to try and procreate with
my buddies. It's just not going to happen. Oh, it's
like it's just people forget that they have duties and
responsibilities to each other that they're not going to have
with their friends. It's really not a complicated concept. Again,
it's just so frustrating that these things have become so convoluted.
I just I mean, pete, Honestly, I've grown so tired of,
you know, the ideologies of the twentieth century that have
bled over into the twenty first century, when it's so
obvious that these things have nothing to do with how
people actually live.
Speaker 1: How do you think that all bleeds over into people's
professional lives men not people's How does that flow over
into men's personal lives?
Speaker 2: The ideology or the feminization.
Speaker 1: The feminization.
Speaker 2: I think one of the things that I've been lamenting,
well forgive me for using another example from you know,
my own personal life, but this is where I draw
a lot of experience, honestly, and I think it's been
very informative. Is I've noticed that there is no honor
among contractors and the other men that I've had to
work with. You know, guys will tell me they're going
to show up at a certain time and they don't,
and we're talking about professionals here, I'm not just kicking
the guy who's in, you know, working for a basic wage.
Speaker 1: Here.
Speaker 2: I had a guy who told me he was going
to do a thing, and I trusted that he was
going to do that thing and complete it by the
time that he said he was going to complete it,
by I showed up when he was supposed to be
done to meet with him and talk to him about it,
and nothing. He hadn't even touched it and hadn't told
me nothing. There was no responsibility. It just again it
goes back to the sense of honor that I think
has been lost between men and and something is basic
as just keeping to your word. I think that this
is one of the most frustrating things that has disappeared
in our culture, is the fact that words mean nothing anymore.
You know, someone might say an oath, but what is that?
It's just air, right. I think that's how a lot
of people view this, and that, to me is one
of the strongest indicators of just this hyperfeminization that is
snuck in. And we're talking about hard men too, that
will do this right, Guys who you wouldn't normally call effeminate.
But again, you know, if you say something and you
promise something and you fail to deliver or even to
attempt to deliver, and then don't communicate those things like
to me that that's just weak.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was. I can't remember who I was talking
with a few years ago. It was when I was
really starting to understand just how evil and fucked up
liberalism was and how it just it is. Basically, it's
there to destroy a society. It's there to weaken a
society so that those who know exactly how it's affecting
society can actually rule society while everybody else is being
drunk on liberalism and getting derascinated and falling apart. Get
you can get a organized group come in and basically
be able to take over and destroy what the society
that's been built. And I remember asking, you know, it's
like people talk about we want freedom, and it's like,
and you know, before, before the Enlightenment, there was no freedom.
And I don't remember who it was you said, he said,
it might have been Orn said, Yeah, there was freedom
before the Enlightenment. There was freedom when they were kings.
There was even freedom when they were when people were serfs,
it was called responsibility, and people took it seriously. And
a lot of those people who were even serfs, if
they took responsibility and they did what they needed to do,
they actually have more They actually have more free freedom,
actually have more free time a lot than the average
person does today.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the average the average peasant farmer in fourteenth century Europe,
I think, worked like an average of three months tending
to their fields and then and this is why you
get all those beautiful cathedrals all throughout northern, southern, and
western Europe, well really everywhere in Europe. But that's how
you get that is as men who they they, You know,
they were able to work and to provide for their families,
and it only required a couple of months of time
at most, and then they were able to dedicate the
rest of the time to building and to actually enhancing
their communities. Again, it goes back to the beginning of
our conversation where I mean we are slaves in the
truest sense, not just to money and worshiping Moloch, but
also to our passions. And this is one of the
things that frustrates me the most is that people are
so attached this idea of freedom, well not recognizing as
you said that it's truly it's responsibility that actually provides
for freedom. You know. One of the things that I
really it opened my eyes to a lot of the
perversions of realism when I was in college is when
I started reading Aristotle and I started to really start
to understand the four cardinal virtues, and I started to
apply them. You start to realize that these base tenets
of living life actually free you for the bounds of
a lot of those things that might accidently slave your minds.
I mean, I think this is one of the things
that has been so devastating for modern society, and it's
one of the things that we are facing and people
who shouldn't I mean again, like not the heart of
this issue in particular, but people who are you know, transsexuals.
These are people who I actually have a lot of
pity for them because I think that their minds have
been so warped by lust and other probably deeper and
more nasty and perverse desires that they've just let run rampant.
And this is what happens at the end, is they
become twisted and turn into these these unfortunate and pitiable creatures,
dangerous creatures. Even so, I totally agree with you. There's
this idea of freedom that modern Americans have is just
it's it's completely perverted and inverted quite frankly.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean I think that it's just one of
those things where it's because you're completely deracinated. Because I
think I've been listening to a couple appearances. I think
first with Orrin and then with Jay Burden is a
gentleman Johann Kurtz. He's written this book on Yeah, I
gotta I gotta look it up, but the uh basically
talking about how if you're not raising your if you're
if you're not trying, it's you know, basically how to
build a legacy m and that's something that is completely lost.
I mean when you sure there are some families, you know,
legacy families who their their kids get caught up in
caught up like the the Pritzker family. I mean, they
have a fucking you know, one of the kids is
a fucking freak, and they're also, you know, funding one
of the biggest funders of this whole transgender thing. But
you know, if you raise somebody with in Okay, this
is what you're this is who we are, this is
what we do, and this is what you're going to do.
If you want to go away to college, it's going
to be for a specific purpose. But we have a
family business, we have this, we have that, and this
is the way things are going to be done. And
it's not you're not doing it as a tyrant. You're
doing it as this is the way it's always been.
This is a we are a you know, this family
is a unit. This family is something historic, and you're
a part of it. And you raise people like that
they have I would assume they have less of a
tendency to run off off and be like, oh, yeah,
I should cut my dick off because I have no opportunity.
I have no identity. I'm not going to become a
you know, run out and like politics, like a political
ideology is going to become my identity and my morality
because I have no I haven't grown up with an identity.
I haven't been given an identity. I haven't been taught
that I have an identity and that it's something historic
and it's something that my ancestors have and it's something
that I'm supposed to pass on to, you know, to
my progeny. It's so if you don't have that. Yeah,
and I didn't grow up with that at all, then
you you know, I mean I didn't cut my dick off,
but a lot of people are doing that. A lot
of people are doing that because I mean, what kind
of grounding can they have? What kind of identity can
they have? If you do that, you don't know who
you are. You have an eye idea of what you are.
You don't know who you are, and you just you
think that you're just a I don't know, well what
am I? I'm a sex a sexual. Everything's about my dick,
everything's about my genitals. What kind of society? How do
you build something off of that? How do you build
a legacy off of that? How do you build a society?
How do you have a society where you have people
running around going I'm going to get laws passed that
because I'm I'm so damaged that I cut my dick off,
I'm going to get a law pass that. If you
don't call me what I want you to call me,
you're going to go to jail. Apparently some reading today,
some guy in freakin' Ireland is being sentenced to life
in prison because you misgendered somebody was.
Speaker 2: This the teacher. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm gonna refrain
from fed posting Pete. Uh. But but because yes, I
the short the short answer, and the only answer, quite frankly,
is you can't. Right. It's like I said, I while
I may have pity for them, these people, and they're
going to continue to prove it time and again, they
are dangerous. Uh, They've proven dangerous already. They're being filled
with hatred for people like you and I and just
for children. And this hatred could take a number of
different forms. Right. It isn't just in the use of
of actual you know, gun violence or or knife violence. Right,
it could be in very sexual in nature. Again, we
talk about the passions, and these people have completely submitted
to lust and to rage and to any other number
of of these you know, deadly sins. And as a result,
I I don't know, I don't know what you do
with them, Pete, or at least I won't say it here. Oh,
but it's a sign of where we are, right, It's
just a sign of how degraded we have become as
a country. And again, you know, to kind of bring
it back to a lot of the things that I
really want to focus on before I get myself in trouble,
is just that I just want to build, man Like,
that's all I want to do. I want to love
the people in my community. I want to build for them,
I want to fight for them. And that's kind of
how I want to think about the world. Is. Yes,
there are a lot of these terrible things going on,
you know, but I'm just a random guy, right and
I can't deal with all these crazy things happening at
the national level, but I can ostensibly deal with these
things at the local level, just again by trying to
protect these families, protect these schools, paying attention to what
is going on in them, and hopefully, you know, doing
the best that I can and with the people around
me to kind of protect these children's minds, because that's
that's where a lot of the starts is these children
lose their innocence at an age that's far too young.
And that's one of the great agities of all of this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the I think what a lot of people don't realize,
and this is something that I've been stressed. I did
a two hour spaces with with some gentleman today on
Twitter and what and it's what I'm stressing there is
no top down solution to this. There is no we
get the right guy elected in Washington, DC, we get
the right guy elected a governorship, and they're going to
fix all of this. No, no, what you're doing. What
you're doing fixes this. Going out and seeing that there's
a guy who people just giving up on and you're like, yeah,
I think he deserves a chance. Sure he might let
me down, Sure my fox some shut up, but I'm
gonna give him a chance. And you know, there's a
chance that you could just absolutely turns somebody's life around.
And I'm not saying that, you know, you're going to
change the world, You're going to change your part of
the world, but I think that's you know, and this
is starting to sound like some kind of freaking motivational bullshit,
But if everybody just started concentrating on doing that, who
the fuck cares? Who's president? Yeah, I mean I hear
people go that, well, you know, they'll come and get
you at some point and everything like that. It's like you, okay, well,
I mean I've been saying that forever. It's like, oh,
they're you know, they're coming get and they haven't. They're
probably not going to You're probably not going to come
and get most people any other the budgets to do
stuff like that much less the will you just fucking
making excuses. We just fucking making excuses for not doing anything.
Speaker 2: No, I agree. I mean, look, this is the thing.
That's how I look at it. Pete is, well, there,
I guess there are a couple of ways. But if
they're going to come, if somebody's got to come after
me and kick in my door and take me away
just because I want to legitimately help the people in
my community and I want to take care of them
and do right by them, then we're fucked anyways, Like
what else are you supposed to do at that point?
If it's somebody who And the thing is, you know,
if guys like us are working and starting to set
examples that run counter to the narrative, and people start
to notice, there is a good chance that maybe some
people get knocks on the door. But I think that's
that's just something that we have to accept. That's the
world we live in, whether or not you like it.
And I often I try to you know that the
Latin phrase momentum morge remembering death. I try to think
about how I would think about my life if I
were to dive right now, and then also how I
would perfect on my life as I've lived it up
to this point when I'm you know, if I make
it to my deathbed and I get to think about
these things, and if I knew the things that I
know and I didn't try to do something to protect
the people in my community. And again, I'm just talking
about building things about you know, starting businesses, funding businesses,
giving people some money, giving people opportunities, you know, just
beating them. Like, I'm not talking about anything other than
those things. If I don't do those things, then I
lived a miserable and failed life at the end of it.
And I think that that's how a lot of us
really need to start thinking. It's just that things are happening,
and they're happening at a rapid pace, and if you
understand that there is something that is off and you've
seen it, you absolutely have a responsibility to start to
act against that. And again I'm just just go down.
I mean, it can be as simple as picking up
trash or going down and volunteering at your homeless shelter.
You don't need to build a big, multi million dollar
business and employ a bunch of people. But not everybody's
going to do that. Not everybody's cut out for that,
And there's nothing wrong with that. Just picking up the
trash and helping the old lady carry in her groceries
is all you got to do. It's you know, I'm
not talking about anything massive here.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I think it's I think a lot of
people are a lot of guys are defeated. They feel defeated.
They feel like they've been taught that anything that they
try to change is going is not going to make
a difference, and somebody else is going to have to
make the change. And you know, it's one one of
the great things I like about Thomas is Thomas is
just like, well, I mean, this isn't this isn't salvagable.
You know, Washington, DC, basically politics, the regime isn't salvageable.
So anything you're doing to try to like fix it,
you're basically like the enemy. You're trying to fix something
that is, you know, your enemy. You're just hoping that
you get someone elected who isn't even going to help you.
It's just going to leave you alone. And while you're
doing that you're thinking that you're down in the dumps.
You're not doing anything. You're not building social capital with people,
you're not building a community. And oh, go ahead's right,
go ahead.
Speaker 2: Oh I'm just gonna say. It's like I said on
my speech, it's just live historical lives. Just go be
a local. Go get to know your local bartender, or
go get to know a couple of your you know,
business owners and just make friends with them. Go. It's
again like it's just participating in that community, this idea
that's just been completely obliterated over the last eighty years.
And I'm fully aware of the difficulties of these things.
You know, the place my hometown has been completely destroyed
by overdevelopment and completely, I mean it's been demographically replaced, okay,
Like It's one of the things that troubles my soul
very deeply is the fact that because I'm very much
a homebody, right, I had a very deep love for
the marshes and the forests and the fields and the
hills that I played in as a boy, and they
are all gone, and they've all been built on with
massive apartment complexes. It's impossible to drive around. I don't
recognize any faces anymore. So in that place, I don't
know how you build community anymore. I don't know in
my hometown, I don't know how you do it. Okay,
but I do know because of where I've lived and
lots of other places. This isn't just a small town thing.
I've lived in a big city in which I started
to do this very similar thing, and I've seen it,
so I know it is possible. It's just it's literally
just being local and paying attention to those things. Again,
I think people over complicate things far too greatly. And
here's another thing, and I don't want to be hypercritical
of guys, because I've been there, Pete. You know, I
I was. I've been really I still battled depression from
time to time, and I made a decision about five
years ago that I just I wasn't going to wallow
in this misery. But I do understand it. And what
I always ask myself was what was the point. But
one of the things that really helped to put things
into perspective is the truth that you know, as a Christian,
you know there is this idea that we're transient and
Heaven is to come, and that's fine. Right, But I
don't just believe and just disappearing in some flash of
light and going away, like we need to do things
and build things. Here we're called to build and to
love and to do those things. But you know, I
studied the Romans. I have a deep love for the ancients,
and almost nothing that those great men that many of
us might admire, none of it still really exists. Nothing
that they've really built still is there, at least tangibly.
I mean, all things kind of fall away into kay
over time. So but that doesn't matter. That wouldn't have
stopped Alexander from conquering Persia, wouldn't have stopped Caesar from
conquering Goal. It didn't matter, you know. And I think
that's what guys need to stop worrying about. They just
need to understand yet, Okay, things may not be permanent,
doesn't matter, right, It is your duty to look out
for your people and to try and build your community
and do right by those around you. It doesn't matter
what ultimately is going to happen. And you know, if
everything falls apart and you get destroyed, well you fought
the good fight, and you know you deserve to be honored.
And maybe yeah, you probably won't be remembered, but so
what you know, like I think, just I think this
is the biggest problem with people on the right. And
I apologize for going too long here, but it's just
people are stuck in their own minds and the world
really isn't. In some ways it is that bad and
otherwise it's not. But either way it doesn't matter. It
shouldn't stop people from getting out there from our guys,
from getting out there and fighting for what is right,
for building for something better.
Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, yeah, it's I mean, it's breaking through
you know, conditioning, breaking through brainwashing, and you know, just fear.
You know, you can never discount how just how fearful
people are to try and how fearful people are to fail,
and you just can't have any success without it. You
can't have any success with failing. And people just don't
want to hear that. And that probably goes back to
the feminization thing where it's like you feel like if
you fail, you're it's like, oh, I'm I'm a you know,
I'm weak. Somewhile it's like no, actually, it's a lot more.
It's a lot weaker to not not even try and
to just give up at this point. Yeah, the black
pilling is Yeah, I mean I moved to where I
moved because I just feel like being here, it's a
lot easier to operate in the world than it was
than it is in a city. And I don't have
any ties to cities, you know, I know people. I'm
going to talk to a buddy of mine about cities
possibly next week, I think, And yeah, he lives in
a city and he's talked about taking cities back, and
we're going to talk about, you know what, his how
he would plan to do that. But you know, it
comes down to it, it's it's hard to if if
that's your goal. You know, you don't want to have
a family, you know, you don't even you might not
even want to have a wife because you're putting yourself
you know, you're putting a painting a bullseye on yourself.
But I mean that's just stuff that takes. It just
takes will. It takes will, It takes, it takes effort
to you know, be like all right, well, I mean, yeah,
this small town I live in is great, but that
doesn't mean people, you know, because it's so insular, someone
can sneak in from the outside and can start really
fucking ship up. So maybe we need to you know,
set it up so that we can you know, be
on guard for that. And yeah, it's just at this point,
it's all just getting off your ass and doing doing stuff,
and you know, part of that is getting together with people.
And I think that was you know, one of the
best things about the event, the event in Oregon and
any event I've gone to, you know, the Old Glory
Club's events, our national events the last couple of years,
and our local events here is you're around people who
are like, Okay, what are you doing. Oh that's awesome.
You know what kind of ideas you have? Yeah, I
want to do this. I mean, was on the phone
yesterday with someone. He's like, yeah, I was just basically
messing around and I built this. What do you think
we can do with it? And I'm like, what can't
we do with it?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: You know, it's like holy shit. I mean it's like
you just built something that, I mean, are is going
to help our guys and help our guys in ways
that are you know where you know for certain things
you'll be canceled proof.
Speaker 2: H m hmm.
Speaker 1: It's like Okay, Yeah, how many people are concentrating on
that and yeah, and that's just someone who's like, hey,
I just need, you know, get down the phone with me,
you know, a couple of minutes of your time. What
do you think. I'm like, I think you're knocking it
out of the fucking park. Yeah, it's just it's it's
amazing what you can what you can accomplish if you
just stop looking at the stop looking at the world,
stop looking at national politics, stop looking at you know,
all of this, and just be like, you know, be
aware of it because it can be dangerous and it
can affect you, but you're not going to let it
stop you. Nothing, it's gonna nothing's going to stop us.
Speaker 2: There are a few things I find more invigorating, Pete
than these, you know, these get togethers with guys, because
it's such a positive thing. I mean, especially after this
most recent one, I was really impressed with every guy
that I met. A lot of people. It's some very
interesting things is going on. I have, you know, grown
fonder of the local guys. I've started to build better
relationships with them. I don't see them as often I
would like, especially the Portland guys, but there really are
an amazing group of young men, and it's just it
brings just such joy to see, you know, these things
going on and these guys getting together and just sharing
the same passions that I have, just this desire to build.
As I said, there is this energy, There is this undercurrent.
This is one of those things where you know, a
lot of times, you know, I know, you and a
lot of the guys that you talk about will talk
about kind of civilizational energy. And you know, I've heard
people talk about this and people saying, oh, well, the
West is spent or christ and Dunn is done, and
I quite frankly, I don't think that's the case. I
still think there's something there. It just needs to be
tapped into. Trump is a demonstration of that. And I
don't know how much time left there is. I don't know.
But again I don't want to sound overly optimistic, but
I do sense something there. There are these undercurrents of
just people desperately wanting something better but not knowing what
it is that they want. Again, as we talked about,
they just they need to be led. But you know,
going back briefly to getting off your ass and doing things,
it I think One of the big issues with a
lot of guys in just I think in general, is
that there's a lack of sense of purpose, and thus
doing the things that we've already talked about will give you.
It starts to help you understand your place in the world,
and it gives you that general sense of purpose, and
I think that that's incredibly important for starting to build
that desire and the will that you're talking about. It's
it's really hard when you're you know, you're sitting on
your ass listening to how the world is ending, or
this or that thing didn't pass in the Senate to
want to get up and do something right. You just
why would you have the willders there's no reason for
you to do anything because there's nothing you can affect.
But you know, if you're going and working at your
local home the shelter, or you're donating money, or you're
helping your neighbor build this thing, and you're seeing the
tangible effects of your your efforts manifest themselves in the
real world, that over time is going to build the
will and the desire to continue pushing. And it also
gives you that sense of purpose. I mean, these things
all happen at the same time.
Speaker 1: All right, Darrendal, I really appreciate you coming on good talk.
I I question whether you know we talked about a
lot of things, and we also got a lot off
of our chest. He's getting a lot off of our chest. Feminine.
Speaker 2: No, there's much more to being a man than than just,
you know, beating the shit out of somebody and yelling
and all that. I think that sometimes people need to
be told the truth, or at least you know, some
things need to be set and hopefully some people listen
and you know that it's actionable what we've said the night.
Speaker 1: Awesome, awesome, all right, plug away, I know what you're
gonna plug that?
Speaker 2: Okay, great, yep. So if anybody wants to check us out,
you know I have no digital footprint. The most part.
I publish an article and I've got a couple of
my speeches over at the Cascade Frontier Substack. It's a
great place find great work. And then also over on
x we've got Skilo's rising. This is one of our
best guys. He's an incredible guy, great mind, a lot
of energy, and he's got lots of great stuff that
he posts on there. So if anybody wants to go
check those things out, I'd highly recommend it.
Speaker 1: All right, I appreciate it, Thank you, and yah it's
old the next time.
Speaker 2: Take care you too, CPE