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Gasey Bundy, Dahmer, The Nightstalker BTK every week, 33 00:01:27.200 --> 00:01:31.000 another fascinating author talking about the most shocking and infamous 34 00:01:31.079 --> 00:01:35.079 killers in true crime history. True Murder with your host, 35 00:01:35.480 --> 00:01:50.879 journalist and author Dan Zufanski. Good evening, The true story 36 00:01:50.920 --> 00:01:55.200 of the night, Innocence and evil cross paths. On a 37 00:01:55.200 --> 00:01:58.560 summer night in two thousand, Amy Shoot and Jason Bergerson 38 00:01:58.879 --> 00:02:02.799 were set upon by five predatory youths outside of Providence, 39 00:02:02.879 --> 00:02:06.519 Rhode Island club. It began as a twisted joy ride 40 00:02:06.519 --> 00:02:09.879 for the young kidnappers. It ended in cold blooded murder 41 00:02:09.960 --> 00:02:13.680 in a town's relentless fight for justice. The book they 42 00:02:13.719 --> 00:02:17.199 were featuring this evening is Murder Without Motive, the Amy 43 00:02:17.240 --> 00:02:20.960 Shoot and Jason Bergerson story with my special guest, retired 44 00:02:21.000 --> 00:02:25.080 detective and author Raymond Pigatory. Welcome to the program and 45 00:02:25.120 --> 00:02:40.840 thank you very much for this interview. Raymond Pingatory. Welcome 46 00:02:40.879 --> 00:02:43.639 to the program, Raymond Pigatory. 47 00:02:44.639 --> 00:02:47.800 Good afternoon, Dan, and how are you today? Oh? 48 00:02:47.879 --> 00:02:53.479 Fine, Thank you very much, let's talk about initially, just 49 00:02:53.560 --> 00:02:57.960 like in this book, here, this happened and occurred in 50 00:02:58.120 --> 00:03:03.240 June eighth, two thousand and this is in Providence, Rhode Island, 51 00:03:03.919 --> 00:03:09.800 and you talk about Jason Bergerson and Amy Shoote. Tell 52 00:03:09.879 --> 00:03:12.560 us a little bit about you where you were as 53 00:03:12.599 --> 00:03:14.719 a detective at that time. You said you were a 54 00:03:14.759 --> 00:03:17.639 junior detective. You as you're writing a book, tell us 55 00:03:18.120 --> 00:03:22.159 where you were in your career before we talk about 56 00:03:22.879 --> 00:03:25.520 the circumstances when you heard about this crime and got 57 00:03:25.879 --> 00:03:27.759 intimately and inextricably involved. 58 00:03:29.199 --> 00:03:33.360 Well as far as being the junior detective, I had 59 00:03:33.360 --> 00:03:39.280 been in detectives for approximately eight or ninety eights at 60 00:03:39.319 --> 00:03:43.080 that point, but we still had many senior detectives over 61 00:03:43.159 --> 00:03:46.319 me who handled a majority of the major clients that 62 00:03:46.400 --> 00:03:53.520 came in on this particular day. It was a summer 63 00:03:53.599 --> 00:03:57.800 day pretty much, and many had gone on vacation or 64 00:03:57.960 --> 00:04:02.039 took days off, etc. And I happened to be, uh 65 00:04:03.240 --> 00:04:05.719 the low man on the pole, So I was working 66 00:04:05.719 --> 00:04:09.759 that day along with the two other BCI officer and 67 00:04:09.800 --> 00:04:13.319 a narcotics officer, So we were at a skeleton crew 68 00:04:13.360 --> 00:04:19.040 for the day right when the call did actually come in. 69 00:04:19.240 --> 00:04:22.639 It came in around noontime of that day, and then 70 00:04:22.759 --> 00:04:26.199 prior to that it had been relatively quiet. And when 71 00:04:26.199 --> 00:04:32.319 the call came in, I walked into dispatch, and ironically 72 00:04:32.360 --> 00:04:34.120 I was just about ready to out of lunch with 73 00:04:34.160 --> 00:04:38.040 one of the patrol officers and they called me ping 74 00:04:38.720 --> 00:04:41.720 at a at the time, and he turned to me, 75 00:04:41.800 --> 00:04:43.480 he said, think you had to get down to the 76 00:04:43.519 --> 00:04:46.959 golf course that was under construction in our town. He said, 77 00:04:46.959 --> 00:04:48.879 there was a They just found two. 78 00:04:48.680 --> 00:04:52.079 Bodies right. 79 00:04:53.439 --> 00:04:55.040 Now. As you do, as you write in the book 80 00:04:56.360 --> 00:05:01.639 on June nathh you talked about several days before Jason 81 00:05:01.639 --> 00:05:05.160 Bergerson and Amy. Shoot, now, who are these young people? 82 00:05:06.800 --> 00:05:08.680 How old were these people? And tell us about their 83 00:05:08.720 --> 00:05:11.279 relationship and what happened? What were they planning to do? 84 00:05:11.680 --> 00:05:15.040 What was the relationship about? How long had they known 85 00:05:15.079 --> 00:05:17.399 each other? Tell us a little bit about their relationship 86 00:05:17.399 --> 00:05:20.120 and what they were planning to do on that June 87 00:05:20.160 --> 00:05:21.360 evening in two thousand. 88 00:05:22.519 --> 00:05:28.000 While Jason Burgison and Amy they were relatively new in 89 00:05:28.040 --> 00:05:31.839 their relationship, just dating several months. 90 00:05:33.639 --> 00:05:35.560 Both were into music. 91 00:05:36.240 --> 00:05:40.279 Jason had gone to Saint claud University and he was 92 00:05:40.319 --> 00:05:45.120 an inspiring DJ, and Amy at the time was taking 93 00:05:45.160 --> 00:05:48.240 some time off from going to the University of Rhode 94 00:05:48.240 --> 00:05:53.480 Island and she was working and on the night of 95 00:05:53.560 --> 00:05:57.120 the incident, they had made plans with several of their 96 00:05:57.160 --> 00:06:01.600 other friends to go to a dance club in Providence 97 00:06:01.759 --> 00:06:04.439 and just do what you know, normal kids do. And 98 00:06:04.480 --> 00:06:06.959 when I say kids, they were you know, early twenties, 99 00:06:07.920 --> 00:06:10.800 late teens, and they just wanted to have a good time, 100 00:06:11.759 --> 00:06:16.240 as many teens would want to do, and ultimately they 101 00:06:16.319 --> 00:06:17.680 ended up in the city of Providence. 102 00:06:20.000 --> 00:06:23.439 Now you introduce a character that's important to this story, 103 00:06:23.480 --> 00:06:28.879 and especially right in the very beginning, as statistically something 104 00:06:28.959 --> 00:06:32.839 like this might make police look at this person quite 105 00:06:32.879 --> 00:06:37.519 seriously when something happened close to him like this. Amy 106 00:06:37.560 --> 00:06:41.759 Shoot talk about Jeffrey Harper and who he was and 107 00:06:41.839 --> 00:06:44.839 what happened that night with him. 108 00:06:44.759 --> 00:06:51.959 And Jeffrey Hopper was a former boyfriend of Amy Shoot, 109 00:06:52.720 --> 00:06:56.839 but he tried to remain relatively friendly with her and 110 00:06:56.879 --> 00:07:02.959 they were on speaking terms. Jeff realized that Amy was 111 00:07:03.000 --> 00:07:08.720 moving on in her relationships and she again just started 112 00:07:08.800 --> 00:07:16.600 dating Jason. Jeff kind of called Amy and they had 113 00:07:16.759 --> 00:07:21.639 Amy expressed that her and a group of friends, along 114 00:07:21.680 --> 00:07:24.600 with Jason, we're going to come to a nightclub go 115 00:07:24.639 --> 00:07:28.079 to a nightclub in Providence, and that you know, he 116 00:07:28.199 --> 00:07:30.519 was welcome to come. But she also had made the 117 00:07:30.639 --> 00:07:34.360 understanding that you know, she is now strictly friends with him. 118 00:07:34.639 --> 00:07:39.480 Their relationship has terminated, but their friendship still carried on. 119 00:07:41.199 --> 00:07:44.560 Yeah, and there was plans that you write about too 120 00:07:44.600 --> 00:07:47.639 as well, because they were close friends. And despite the 121 00:07:47.759 --> 00:07:53.639 relationship with Jason, he still expressed and they made plans 122 00:07:53.720 --> 00:07:54.839 to call each other. 123 00:07:55.560 --> 00:08:02.879 When Jeff had gone to the club with the other 124 00:08:02.959 --> 00:08:03.519 group of. 125 00:08:03.839 --> 00:08:11.480 People, Amy and Jason and friends, and when Amy was 126 00:08:11.519 --> 00:08:15.720 going to be dropped off by Jason and go home 127 00:08:15.759 --> 00:08:19.480 for the night she had Jeff had expressed to her 128 00:08:19.680 --> 00:08:22.040 that he would like her to call just to check 129 00:08:22.079 --> 00:08:25.480 in well, no matter what time she got in, and 130 00:08:25.879 --> 00:08:30.959 that call never came. Once she left the club, things 131 00:08:31.000 --> 00:08:33.799 went downhill rather quickly. 132 00:08:35.799 --> 00:08:39.519 Now with this book, you introduced these other characters and 133 00:08:39.600 --> 00:08:45.960 have this meanwhile moment. While these kids basically are enjoying themselves. 134 00:08:45.960 --> 00:08:49.120 They like dancing, and they love music, and they have 135 00:08:49.320 --> 00:08:52.840 quite a few friends, and they're just straight good kids 136 00:08:53.679 --> 00:08:57.600 with the lives and careers ahead of them. Meanwhile, you 137 00:08:57.679 --> 00:09:03.240 introduce Gregory flu and Kenneth Day. Now these guys are roommates, 138 00:09:03.279 --> 00:09:06.519 and you described in the book the kind of room 139 00:09:06.639 --> 00:09:09.519 that these guys share and the kind of people. They 140 00:09:09.759 --> 00:09:12.279 were going out that evening to play some pool, you say, 141 00:09:12.320 --> 00:09:14.960 but they brought a gun. Uh, tell us a little 142 00:09:15.000 --> 00:09:18.000 bit about Gregory Floyd and Kenneth's Day and their living 143 00:09:18.039 --> 00:09:20.519 conditions and what they were doing that evening. 144 00:09:22.519 --> 00:09:25.279 Well, just to get back to Jason and Amy for 145 00:09:25.320 --> 00:09:28.279 one second. When I when you just said that they were, 146 00:09:28.399 --> 00:09:32.559 you know, everyday good kids. I can't reiterate enough on 147 00:09:32.919 --> 00:09:36.639 just how good these kids were. They were you know, 148 00:09:36.759 --> 00:09:41.480 everybody's son, everybody's daughter. You know, you would you would 149 00:09:42.120 --> 00:09:46.679 beam with joy if they were your kids. Floyd in 150 00:09:46.679 --> 00:09:51.000 in Uh, kenned Day were the total opposite, you know, 151 00:09:51.120 --> 00:09:55.399 they were. They were bad from the get go. Kenned 152 00:09:55.519 --> 00:10:00.000 Day had allowed Greg Floyd to move into kenned Day's apart. 153 00:10:02.320 --> 00:10:03.559 Greg Floyd had just. 154 00:10:03.720 --> 00:10:08.080 Recently been released from it's called the ACI, which is 155 00:10:08.080 --> 00:10:11.799 the Adult Correctional Institution, which is our prison here in 156 00:10:11.879 --> 00:10:17.320 Rhode Island. He had served a short time, a couple 157 00:10:17.360 --> 00:10:20.440 of months if I recall, and when he got out 158 00:10:20.720 --> 00:10:26.039 he moved in with kenned Day. Kenned Day and Floyd. 159 00:10:26.120 --> 00:10:30.159 They lived in a place that was like absolute squalor. 160 00:10:30.720 --> 00:10:34.480 It was you know, a place that makes your skin 161 00:10:34.600 --> 00:10:38.240 crawl when you walk in and walk out, and it 162 00:10:38.320 --> 00:10:42.639 was just like like a nightmaretal too even fathom how 163 00:10:42.679 --> 00:10:45.120 anybody would want to live in those conditions. 164 00:10:45.559 --> 00:10:55.240 Right now, you talk about these two guys downtown and 165 00:10:55.440 --> 00:10:58.200 one of them has a gun, and they talk about 166 00:10:58.600 --> 00:11:02.480 seeing a guy named that they call a custy, which 167 00:11:02.519 --> 00:11:05.720 somebody's looking for drugs. So tell us what they encounter, 168 00:11:06.120 --> 00:11:10.159 what their plan is that's cooked up seemingly spontaneously or 169 00:11:10.240 --> 00:11:12.440 on the fly here, tell us about that. 170 00:11:13.440 --> 00:11:18.879 Well, on the fly is definitely a key term. They 171 00:11:19.039 --> 00:11:23.840 did not truly have a plan formulated throughout the entire night. 172 00:11:24.440 --> 00:11:26.279 However, kenned Day was down. 173 00:11:26.399 --> 00:11:28.879 When we call it down city, that's the terminology we 174 00:11:29.000 --> 00:11:31.639 use for Providence. Even if you live in the city 175 00:11:31.639 --> 00:11:34.159 of Providence, you're going down into the heart of the city. 176 00:11:35.039 --> 00:11:36.080 Kenned Day had. 177 00:11:35.960 --> 00:11:39.519 Been at a local pool wall and he was a 178 00:11:39.559 --> 00:11:42.120 we're or dealer type of person. And if he could 179 00:11:42.200 --> 00:11:44.320 make a buck in any way, shape or form, he 180 00:11:44.360 --> 00:11:46.799 would make a buck. And when I say that, if 181 00:11:46.840 --> 00:11:50.399 it was whether it's robbing somebody, whether it was trying 182 00:11:50.440 --> 00:11:54.600 to sell drugs to somebody. In this particular incident, when 183 00:11:54.600 --> 00:11:58.759 he was at the pool hall, someone had approached about 184 00:11:59.200 --> 00:12:04.559 buying drugs or selling drugs and had flashed around some 185 00:12:04.639 --> 00:12:09.840 money and which peaked Kennan Day's interest big time. So 186 00:12:10.039 --> 00:12:12.720 he had got a hold of Floyd and said, Floyd, 187 00:12:13.559 --> 00:12:16.399 get down to the city. The city's hot rate. Now 188 00:12:16.600 --> 00:12:19.399 I got a cussy that I'm looking to rob and 189 00:12:19.840 --> 00:12:23.399 he's close by, so bring your gun, which Floyd did. 190 00:12:25.000 --> 00:12:28.840 Right now. What are the circumstances where they hook up 191 00:12:28.879 --> 00:12:35.480 with Burdick and Samuel Sanchez and Raymond Anderson tell us 192 00:12:35.519 --> 00:12:36.120 about that. 193 00:12:37.240 --> 00:12:44.080 All pretty interesting. Burdick was a person that was known 194 00:12:44.480 --> 00:12:48.720 in the city of Providence. He was a heavy as 195 00:12:48.759 --> 00:12:52.759 set kid that he would hang up and near the 196 00:12:52.799 --> 00:12:57.480 Brown University, which is well renowned elite school, but he 197 00:12:57.519 --> 00:13:01.039 would hang around that area. He would purchase drugs around 198 00:13:01.080 --> 00:13:01.720 that area. 199 00:13:02.320 --> 00:13:04.600 And he was. 200 00:13:04.679 --> 00:13:10.039 Actually waiting at a bus stop to go home to Patucket, 201 00:13:10.240 --> 00:13:16.200 which is adjacent to Providence. Floyd and kenned Day had 202 00:13:16.240 --> 00:13:21.039 hooked up with Anderson and Sammy Sanchez, so they were 203 00:13:21.159 --> 00:13:25.120 riding around city, uh and they happened to see Burdick 204 00:13:25.200 --> 00:13:28.399 at the bus stop. Floyd knew Burdick from hanging down 205 00:13:28.639 --> 00:13:33.759 in Providence. They pull over and Floyd says, hey, come 206 00:13:33.799 --> 00:13:36.200 on the cities. You know, basically, the city's hot tonight. 207 00:13:36.240 --> 00:13:39.559 There's a lot of students in the city on Thursday nights, 208 00:13:40.480 --> 00:13:43.840 most of the college uh the several colleges in the 209 00:13:44.279 --> 00:13:46.320 state of Arouel and several in the city area. 210 00:13:47.159 --> 00:13:47.840 The kids go. 211 00:13:47.919 --> 00:13:51.039 Down on a Thursday night and it seems to be 212 00:13:51.159 --> 00:13:54.840 a big college night where they're all are dancing, walking around. 213 00:13:54.879 --> 00:13:55.320 So there's a. 214 00:13:56.799 --> 00:13:59.840 Vast amount of people, a vast amount of targets in 215 00:13:59.840 --> 00:14:03.440 the guys of kenned Day and company. So once they 216 00:14:03.759 --> 00:14:10.200 the five collectively got together, their mindset became one, and 217 00:14:10.240 --> 00:14:13.440 their one mindset was to go out and find someone 218 00:14:13.480 --> 00:14:14.120 they could rob. 219 00:14:14.519 --> 00:14:15.559 So that's what they did. 220 00:14:15.639 --> 00:14:18.679 After they picked up Burick at the bus stop, was 221 00:14:18.759 --> 00:14:22.480 right around the city looking for a target to rob. 222 00:14:25.679 --> 00:14:31.919 You right that Burdick steals some Latex gloves and meanwhile 223 00:14:31.919 --> 00:14:35.639 you talk about Jason and Amy. The club ends closes 224 00:14:35.679 --> 00:14:40.519 at one o'clock and as we spoke, Amy is expecting 225 00:14:40.519 --> 00:14:43.600 a call, maybe a two or two thirty So after 226 00:14:43.639 --> 00:14:46.120 the club and with their friends, what happens with Amy 227 00:14:46.159 --> 00:14:49.120 and Jason and how do they get separated with their 228 00:14:49.159 --> 00:14:51.960 friends and what do they do after that club? 229 00:14:54.159 --> 00:15:02.080 Well, Burdick and Floyd have frequented these pizza establishment. They 230 00:15:02.240 --> 00:15:06.679 used to help the owner of the pizza Saki's Pizza. 231 00:15:07.000 --> 00:15:10.919 They used to help the owner unload trucks and did 232 00:15:11.039 --> 00:15:15.600 meaningless jobs around the pizza place, and in turn, the 233 00:15:16.120 --> 00:15:17.159 owner would give them. 234 00:15:17.120 --> 00:15:18.720 Free pizza, etc. 235 00:15:19.440 --> 00:15:21.919 So it wasn't uncommon for them to be inside the 236 00:15:21.960 --> 00:15:25.399 pizza up place at all given hours. It was one 237 00:15:25.440 --> 00:15:28.279 of these establishers that was open till like four or 238 00:15:28.320 --> 00:15:31.360 five o'clock in the morning. So when they happened to 239 00:15:31.480 --> 00:15:35.200 walk into this Saki's Pizza, they made a beeline for 240 00:15:35.240 --> 00:15:38.840 the kitchen area and they went right to the latex gloves. 241 00:15:38.919 --> 00:15:41.679 They grabbed the gloves and they passed them out amongst 242 00:15:41.720 --> 00:15:45.279 the five of them. So right there in my mind, 243 00:15:45.360 --> 00:15:48.519 it's telling me that a plan is really starting to 244 00:15:48.639 --> 00:15:53.360 kick emotion that if they do something elicit, they're going 245 00:15:53.440 --> 00:15:56.320 to do it where they're not going to leave evidence 246 00:15:56.360 --> 00:16:00.559 behind such as a fingerprint. Now, what had happened when 247 00:16:01.080 --> 00:16:06.559 Jason and Amy went to the nightclub. Prior to going 248 00:16:06.600 --> 00:16:09.440 to the nightclub to dance, they went to a like 249 00:16:09.559 --> 00:16:12.759 a barroom, pool hall kind of place and their other 250 00:16:12.879 --> 00:16:16.480 friends from Massachusetts. It was agreed upon that they would 251 00:16:16.480 --> 00:16:21.519 meet at this place called Tommy's Place. They met there, 252 00:16:21.879 --> 00:16:25.919 they played some pool, etc. And then they left their 253 00:16:26.000 --> 00:16:31.039 car at the Tommy's Place and went to this other nightclub. 254 00:16:31.960 --> 00:16:35.799 Once that nightclub let out for the night, they went 255 00:16:35.879 --> 00:16:40.120 back to Tommy's places. Their friends left, so that left 256 00:16:40.360 --> 00:16:43.840 Jason and Amy alone in the parking lot, so they 257 00:16:43.879 --> 00:16:46.279 didn't want the night to end. They just sat outside 258 00:16:46.480 --> 00:16:48.559 of Jason's vehicle and. 259 00:16:48.519 --> 00:16:50.639 They were listening to music for as kids do. 260 00:16:50.720 --> 00:16:53.279 And they were just hanging out bothering nobody at this 261 00:16:53.360 --> 00:17:00.639 particular time except Floyd and Day and Sammy Sanchez and 262 00:17:01.279 --> 00:17:02.679 Ray Anderson. 263 00:17:02.480 --> 00:17:03.440 And Harry Burdick. 264 00:17:03.879 --> 00:17:07.920 They had their own ideas of having a good time 265 00:17:08.160 --> 00:17:12.160 and that was ultimately to rob somebody and their entire 266 00:17:13.480 --> 00:17:18.039 night instead of being like normal you know, teenage the 267 00:17:18.079 --> 00:17:22.039 early twenty year olds enjoying a nightclub scene. They were 268 00:17:22.119 --> 00:17:26.000 riding around the entire down City area looking to rob 269 00:17:26.039 --> 00:17:29.839 somebody and they would pick out various targets and for 270 00:17:29.920 --> 00:17:34.519 whatever reason, their their attempts would fail. I mean, they 271 00:17:34.519 --> 00:17:38.640 only made one actual attempt to rob somebody when they 272 00:17:38.680 --> 00:17:44.039 surrounded somebody at a ATM machine and a security guard 273 00:17:44.119 --> 00:17:47.640 happened to intervene, and that that had failed for them. 274 00:17:48.119 --> 00:17:52.160 So they ultimate bow that night was to set out 275 00:17:52.200 --> 00:17:53.160 to make an easy book. 276 00:17:55.680 --> 00:17:58.920 Now you write that you find out later, much later, 277 00:17:59.039 --> 00:18:04.200 that they already spotted Jason's vehicle, a white Ford Explorer, 278 00:18:05.680 --> 00:18:10.400 And then you say that this crew of five spotted 279 00:18:10.400 --> 00:18:11.319 the Explorer again. 280 00:18:14.119 --> 00:18:20.480 Well, when they were when go ahead, good, oh, go ahead? 281 00:18:20.920 --> 00:18:27.359 When when flighting Company had been riding around down City 282 00:18:27.400 --> 00:18:29.400 looking for various targets. 283 00:18:30.640 --> 00:18:32.599 It wasn't really painting out. 284 00:18:32.519 --> 00:18:39.039 So Burdick, Harry Burdick said to Floyd and Sammy Sanchez, 285 00:18:39.079 --> 00:18:43.079 who was was Sammy Sanchez's car. He said, hey, look, 286 00:18:43.440 --> 00:18:45.559 you know, just just get me back to Patucket. 287 00:18:46.000 --> 00:18:46.880 I want to go home. 288 00:18:47.559 --> 00:18:51.640 And Sammy Sanchez basically told him it's not happening. I'm 289 00:18:51.640 --> 00:18:54.400 not driving me to Patucket. You want to get home, 290 00:18:54.799 --> 00:18:59.640 you go steal a car. Now, they had spotted Jason 291 00:18:59.680 --> 00:19:03.640 and he me hanging outside that car listening to music, 292 00:19:04.240 --> 00:19:07.160 but they had seen them earlier, so they circle around 293 00:19:07.240 --> 00:19:08.200 back around the city. 294 00:19:08.799 --> 00:19:10.519 They park on a side street. 295 00:19:10.599 --> 00:19:14.480 This is Floyd and Burdick in company, and it was 296 00:19:14.559 --> 00:19:17.680 that that time a plan was formulated. 297 00:19:17.079 --> 00:19:21.279 By Floyd and Verdick. Verdick said, I'll go rob that 298 00:19:21.440 --> 00:19:23.440 car and I'll drive home. 299 00:19:23.880 --> 00:19:27.720 So was at that time that Berdick and Floyd exited 300 00:19:27.839 --> 00:19:32.440 Seamy Sanchez's car, walked through an alleyway and walked up 301 00:19:32.480 --> 00:19:37.160 to Jason and Amy and at gunpoint pull Both of 302 00:19:37.240 --> 00:19:40.920 them were taking your car, but get in it first. 303 00:19:43.039 --> 00:19:46.759 So in essence, they conjacked Jason and Amy at that point. 304 00:19:48.880 --> 00:19:54.039 Horrifyingly enough, well horrifyingly you write that a patrol officer 305 00:19:55.039 --> 00:19:59.720 had spotted Jason and Amy at some point tell us 306 00:19:59.720 --> 00:20:06.440 about this close brush with that didn't avoid or these 307 00:20:06.480 --> 00:20:10.680 people didn't avoid this calamity. But the police were very 308 00:20:10.680 --> 00:20:12.759 close in proximity. 309 00:20:13.279 --> 00:20:17.039 But when I say close to proximity, it was so 310 00:20:17.240 --> 00:20:20.559 close that you know, Amy could have reached out or 311 00:20:20.680 --> 00:20:25.240 yelled out or done whatever and said help me. The 312 00:20:25.279 --> 00:20:30.200 patrol officer was probably a couple hundred feet away, or 313 00:20:30.200 --> 00:20:33.480 maybe I would have been more than that. He had 314 00:20:33.720 --> 00:20:39.160 watched when Floyd and Burdick put Amy and Jason into 315 00:20:39.480 --> 00:20:43.680 Jason's vehicle. Floyd was in the driver's seat at this time. 316 00:20:44.000 --> 00:20:47.240 Jason and Amy were in the backseat and Harry Burdick 317 00:20:47.599 --> 00:20:51.200 was in the passenger in front passenger seat, and Harry 318 00:20:51.240 --> 00:20:56.119 Burdick had the gun faced on Jason and Amy. Floyd 319 00:20:56.400 --> 00:21:00.480 drives Jason's car out the wrong way of a one 320 00:21:00.480 --> 00:21:03.319 way street. It was a short alley way, but it 321 00:21:03.400 --> 00:21:05.759 was still a weird way and it was still you know, 322 00:21:05.880 --> 00:21:09.880 indicated it was one way. And when Floyd came driving 323 00:21:09.920 --> 00:21:12.319 out the wrong way on a one way street, this 324 00:21:12.599 --> 00:21:17.880 was observed by this officer at the time, and he 325 00:21:18.039 --> 00:21:20.839 did nothing. The officer never stopped him. He just looked 326 00:21:20.880 --> 00:21:27.079 at him and Floyd continued on his way. Yeah, so 327 00:21:27.359 --> 00:21:32.400 horrifying the uh, Danny and Jason, it was just horrifying 328 00:21:32.480 --> 00:21:35.519 knowing that you know, they're looking at the police and 329 00:21:35.799 --> 00:21:38.559 you know potentially they could have been saved at that point, 330 00:21:38.640 --> 00:21:41.200 and you know nothing was done. 331 00:21:41.440 --> 00:21:47.680 Yeah. Now back with Amy and Jason, how aware or 332 00:21:47.759 --> 00:21:51.240 not aware of the situation are they? What are the 333 00:21:51.279 --> 00:21:56.599 perps Floyd and Verdicts saying to these two people about 334 00:21:56.839 --> 00:22:00.279 their future? Basically, what were they saying? What was Amy asking? 335 00:22:00.359 --> 00:22:02.359 What were these guys saying to this couple. 336 00:22:04.799 --> 00:22:06.240 Amy was. 337 00:22:08.519 --> 00:22:11.759 Asking basically what you know, what's gonna happen with us? 338 00:22:11.960 --> 00:22:15.920 And and Floyd was trying to calm her down, saying, 339 00:22:16.160 --> 00:22:16.960 we're just going to go. 340 00:22:16.920 --> 00:22:19.519 For a ride. Uh, you know, We're gonna ride around 341 00:22:19.559 --> 00:22:20.039 the city. 342 00:22:20.799 --> 00:22:24.319 And he started getting into a like attempting to get 343 00:22:24.319 --> 00:22:27.640 into a normal conversation with Amy, like you know, where. 344 00:22:27.440 --> 00:22:29.839 Do you go to school? 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So they did try 381 00:24:46.240 --> 00:24:51.480 in their primitive plan to to look at people or 382 00:24:51.519 --> 00:24:55.079 target people that might have money. So the question was 383 00:24:55.279 --> 00:24:58.400 they asked these people about money. How much money did 384 00:24:58.440 --> 00:25:05.759 Amy and Jason and have. What happens with that request. 385 00:25:05.640 --> 00:25:13.000 Well, that that comes a little bit later. Once Sanchez, 386 00:25:14.039 --> 00:25:18.640 driving his vehicle, said to Floyd, follow me, I know 387 00:25:18.720 --> 00:25:22.079 where to go, and that that place that he took 388 00:25:22.119 --> 00:25:26.119 them to was the golf Cost that was under construction. 389 00:25:26.640 --> 00:25:29.960 So once they got to that golf Cost, that's when 390 00:25:30.039 --> 00:25:34.160 the really started ramping it up, saying, give us your money, 391 00:25:34.359 --> 00:25:37.799 give us whatever you've got, whether it be jewelry, whether 392 00:25:37.839 --> 00:25:41.680 it be credit cards, whether whatever it was, anything of 393 00:25:41.759 --> 00:25:44.359 any type of intrinsic value they were going to take. 394 00:25:44.680 --> 00:25:48.160 And and Amy and Jason at that point were saying, 395 00:25:48.359 --> 00:25:52.119 we'll give you everything we have. We only have, you know, 396 00:25:52.240 --> 00:25:56.279 so much money, Take the car and take our money 397 00:25:56.400 --> 00:25:59.319 and just leave us, please, and we'll never report the 398 00:25:59.359 --> 00:26:02.240 cost only never call the police, but just leave us 399 00:26:02.240 --> 00:26:07.599 and take whatever we can give you. And that dollar 400 00:26:07.680 --> 00:26:12.799 amount that ultimately Floyd in Company succeeded in getting from 401 00:26:12.920 --> 00:26:18.240