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<v Speaker 2>Scotia with our guest who was in Nova Scotia as

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<v Speaker 2>we recorded this to chat about sensory deprivation enlisted military dolphins.

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<v Speaker 2>Should you ever pay money to cuddle a dolphin? Dolphins

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<v Speaker 2>on drugs, all kinds of drugs, vengeful marine mammals, aquatic horniness,

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<v Speaker 2>dolphin doulas, and more with researcher, author, and your new

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<v Speaker 2>favorite land mammal and legendary dolphinologist, doctor Justin Greg. Oh

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<v Speaker 2>my god, I have so many questions? Can I ask them?

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<v Speaker 3>Yes? Please? Oh gosh, I bet there's an LSD question

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<v Speaker 3>in there. I hope.

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<v Speaker 2>Let me check, let me find and control yep for Gregha.

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<v Speaker 2>Four people asked about Let's get straight to it. Ada mcbatty,

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<v Speaker 2>Adam Lee, Allen Spencer, Lizzie Baker. Adam mcbatty's words, what

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<v Speaker 2>is your take on the nineteen sixty one study with

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<v Speaker 2>dolphins on LSD to see if they'll form a more

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<v Speaker 2>human language? First, some question, asker Adam Lee, Allan Spencer.

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<v Speaker 2>I'd like to know more about the LSD experiments on dolphins.

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<v Speaker 2>I think we all would.

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<v Speaker 3>What do you know? Well? That was back to our

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<v Speaker 3>old friend John Lilly. At some point while the experiment

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<v Speaker 3>was going on trying to teach Peter to speak English.

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<v Speaker 3>He also was like, hey, what happens if you give

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<v Speaker 3>a dolphin LSD? And so he just injected dolphins with

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<v Speaker 3>LSD to see if he could stimulate something. I'm not

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<v Speaker 3>sure interspecies communication. And I believe he also because he's

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<v Speaker 3>the inventor of the you know, the isolation tank that

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<v Speaker 3>you go into and it's like dark and you're floating

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<v Speaker 3>in water.

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<v Speaker 2>So one might call it a sensory deprivation tank because

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<v Speaker 2>the water is your exact body temperature. You can't even

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<v Speaker 2>feel it. There's no sound, no light, just chill time

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<v Speaker 2>with your racing thoughts or no thoughts hopefully. But some

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<v Speaker 2>folks do not like the sensory deprivation terms. So you

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<v Speaker 2>can also call this cozy water coffin, an isolation tank,

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<v Speaker 2>or a float tank or a float pod or a

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<v Speaker 2>float cabin, or a floatation tank, or a sensory attenuation tank. Whatever,

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<v Speaker 2>it's none of my business. Now you can buy one

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<v Speaker 2>for thirty two thousand dollars or you can find a

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<v Speaker 2>deal on some sessions. And once I read that they

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<v Speaker 2>filter the water between people, I was like, sign me up.

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<v Speaker 2>This seems fun. But I've never done it, but anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>there was a film in nineteen eighty starring William Hurt

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<v Speaker 2>that was based on John C. Lally's research into these tanks,

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<v Speaker 2>and apparently renowned theoretical physicist Richard Feynman dug them. Legend

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<v Speaker 2>has it that floating in the dark helped John Lennon

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<v Speaker 2>conquer heroin addiction, and as a friend to Timothy Leary,

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<v Speaker 2>John C. Lily was known to just drop pharmaceutical grade

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<v Speaker 2>acid in the float tank and just plumb the depths

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<v Speaker 2>of his own mind. Now, if you'd like to hear

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<v Speaker 2>more about this in his own words, you can check

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<v Speaker 2>out John C. Lally's published academic work titled Programming and

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<v Speaker 2>Metaprogramming in the Human Biocomputer, or his more conversational memoir

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<v Speaker 2>titled Tanks for the Memories, which you know, he came

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<v Speaker 2>up within the tank on drugs and was like, brilliant,

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<v Speaker 3>That's his that's his stick. And so he would take LSD,

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<v Speaker 3>he'd inject dolphins with LSD and then he would hope

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<v Speaker 3>there'd be some sort of communication or something. So that

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<v Speaker 3>was a thing he did, and that was one of

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<v Speaker 3>the things that like people didn't like, like his his collaborators,

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<v Speaker 3>like Carl Sagan was a friend of Lily because because

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<v Speaker 3>Lily at the time, NASA was interested in if aliens

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<v Speaker 3>come down, how do we learn to speak with aliens?

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<v Speaker 3>And so they were like throwing money at him because

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<v Speaker 3>they're like, if you can learn to speak with dolphins,

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<v Speaker 3>then we can use that to speak with aliens. So

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<v Speaker 3>like he was, Palas was like Drake, I'd be there though,

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<v Speaker 3>you know from the Drake equation, and like yeah, So

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<v Speaker 3>they were all like they were in this thing called

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<v Speaker 3>the Order of the Dolphin, like Carl Sagan and Lily. Anyway, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>it was a whole thing.

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<v Speaker 2>It was a whole thing, and it was a secret

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<v Speaker 2>meeting in nineteen sixty one. It was also attended by

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<v Speaker 2>a guy named Frank Drake, who during that conference wrote

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<v Speaker 2>the Drake equation, which is an argument of probabilities that

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<v Speaker 2>estimates the number of possible active intelligent civilizations in the

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<v Speaker 2>Milky Way. He wrote it during that conference. Also during

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<v Speaker 2>this meeting, they got word that one attendee, the biochemist

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<v Speaker 2>Melvin Calvin, won the Nobel Prize in Chemistry for his

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<v Speaker 2>work in photosynthesis. You've probably memorized the Calvin cycle that

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<v Speaker 2>was him. So they found out. They drank a case

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<v Speaker 2>of champagne, they talked turkey about martians, they listened to

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<v Speaker 2>John C. Lilly describe giant dolphin brains, and they called

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<v Speaker 2>themselves the Order of the Dolphin, and then they officially

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<v Speaker 2>rebranded to the Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence or SETI. Yep,

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<v Speaker 2>SETI started as the Order of the Dolphin. What a weekend,

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<v Speaker 2>What a good reason to put up an out of

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<v Speaker 2>office reply, you know.

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<v Speaker 3>But when he started giving LSD the dolphins, They're all like,

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<v Speaker 3>wait a second here, and so that's sort of started

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<v Speaker 3>his path into the sort of kippie case counter culture.

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<v Speaker 2>Did people stop being friends with him? Did he get

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<v Speaker 2>like vintage canceled at some point?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's exactly I think he got vintage canceled by

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<v Speaker 3>mainstream science. His writing was very popular with people in

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<v Speaker 3>like regular non scientists, but the more he wrote about

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<v Speaker 3>dolphins being like aliens and whatnot, the more the scientific

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<v Speaker 3>mainstream community didn't want to hear about it, and that

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<v Speaker 3>actually messed up the field for a long time. So like,

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<v Speaker 3>if in the seventies you were like, I want to

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<v Speaker 3>study dolphins, people are like, oh, you're a weirdo hippie

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<v Speaker 3>like it wasn't cool to study dolphins for a long

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<v Speaker 3>time because there was some damage from the pr essentially.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, what happened to the dolphins on LSD, I think nothing.

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<v Speaker 3>I think that he was disappointed that nothing seemed to

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<v Speaker 3>be going on, like no discernible difference.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I could see concerns where if they have to

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<v Speaker 2>breathe consciously too, if you are tripping your dolphin balls off,

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<v Speaker 2>which I don't even know dolphins. I'm sure dolphins have balls.

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<v Speaker 2>They're probably internal.

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<v Speaker 3>Giant internal balls. Yes, they're very large.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, they mate with a lot of people, so that

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<v Speaker 2>means that they need a lot of sperms, right right.

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<v Speaker 3>The sperm will wash out the sperm of the other

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<v Speaker 3>previous males. It's a whole thing. Yeah, m hmm.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's just fire hose in That's exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>That's why I think it's right. Whales have the largest

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<v Speaker 3>like testicles on the planet, and they're just like a

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<v Speaker 3>third of the body way of the animal, some insane number,

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<v Speaker 3>and it's just literally fire hoses out all of the

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<v Speaker 3>sperm from previous mating in them. Sen's what it's for.

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<v Speaker 3>It's just a lot to diack in so weird.

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<v Speaker 2>Luckily there's a lot of water washed things off, I guess.

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<v Speaker 2>But but okay, so LSD didn't find out much.

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<v Speaker 3>No, it seemed not to do anything. But you're right,

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, what if it did. They were tripping and

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<v Speaker 3>they went underwater, and they thought they were at the surface,

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<v Speaker 3>and they opened their blowhole and died.

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<v Speaker 2>Right Well, on that note, so many people Deli Dames,

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<v Speaker 2>Letdia Armstrong, Rachel Davis, Melissa Heart wanted to know. In

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<v Speaker 2>Rachel Davis's words, I would love to hear a deep dive.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think there was a pun intended on How

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<v Speaker 2>they communicate? Is the idea that they have to lepathy

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<v Speaker 2>flimflam so telepathy? Can they communicate? Do they have ESP?

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<v Speaker 2>Melissa Hart read Madeline Lingle's young adult novel A Ring

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<v Speaker 2>of Endless Light, where the angsty teenage protagonist communicates telepathically

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<v Speaker 2>with dolphins. Melissa Heart said, that's false.

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<v Speaker 4>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>Do they have ESP?

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<v Speaker 3>No, But it's just like regular ESP. Like I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>there's no evidence for this in any way whatsoever. There

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<v Speaker 3>are weird ways that they communicate, but it's not psychic.

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<v Speaker 3>And again that goes right back to these sixties experiments

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<v Speaker 3>when they were trying to establish psychic connections to dolphins.

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<v Speaker 3>So no good to know.

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<v Speaker 2>A bunch of people who I will say via my

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<v Speaker 2>own mammalian mouth sounds, Madison Campbell, Brandy Lyin, Nathan Ander, Leaflight,

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<v Speaker 2>Mallory Nettleton, Laura M. Smith, Nita Chen, Bethsauder, Becky the

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<v Speaker 2>SCCCRESS scientist, Lisay Becker Slayer, Deli Dames, Lydia Armstrong, Rachel Davis,

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<v Speaker 2>Elizabeth Edwards, Sodoni, s Jess Feldner, Charlie and beck who asked,

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<v Speaker 2>is anyone working on translating their language? I would like

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<v Speaker 2>to speak with them? So, y'all all of you want

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<v Speaker 2>to know? In Stacey Wick's first time question askers words,

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<v Speaker 2>how close are we to being able to translate dolphin

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<v Speaker 2>speak as seen on SeaQuest? I'm not sure if you've

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<v Speaker 2>seen seaquests? Oh yes, can yeah, Darwin, can that happen?

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<v Speaker 3>It is a goal for some researchers, and it has

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<v Speaker 3>been a long goal for many researchers. The idea being

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<v Speaker 3>like yes, dolphin communication is actually pretty complicated. They make

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of different sounds, and the question is do

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<v Speaker 3>they function like words? Are they talking about complicated topics?

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<v Speaker 3>And so they've been attempts over and over again to

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<v Speaker 3>translate that using you know, mechanically or using information theory

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<v Speaker 3>or using the AI stuff that's now happening. And I

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<v Speaker 3>think people like me are quite skeptical because I just

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<v Speaker 3>just reading How to Speak Whale, Tom Mustel's book. It's

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<v Speaker 3>sperm whales, I think, and they're putting all these tags

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<v Speaker 3>sperm whales are dolphins need language to still be very smart,

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<v Speaker 3>complicated animals. I just think we really want them to

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<v Speaker 2>Also, if you're wondering how dolphins generate those clicks and

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<v Speaker 2>fatty melon organ that majestic forehead, which yes, looks like

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<v Speaker 2>Their giant brains are behind it. But delphinological sources report

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<v Speaker 2>that these marine mammals can make up to four sounds

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<v Speaker 2>at the same time. Do they even have ears to

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<v Speaker 2>appreciate that? Yeah, they do, teeny tiny ones. And one

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<v Speaker 2>right now is that in twenty eighteen, I recorded a

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<v Speaker 2>But anyway, with up to a trillion possible noises and

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<v Speaker 2>word type of sounds dolphins can make, we can't use

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<v Speaker 2>our own big dry ears or computers to fully understand

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<v Speaker 2>them yet. So patrons Megan daw and Jacqueline Church wanted

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<v Speaker 2>to know could dolphins make sentences like dogs on those

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<v Speaker 2>large word pads? What about using assisted communication devices or

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, And that's what That's what I think is most

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<v Speaker 3>exciting about dolphins when when they started doing those experiments.

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<v Speaker 3>So this is after Lily's stuff all dried up, and

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<v Speaker 3>great apes, Like they could follow like sentences with five

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<v Speaker 3>or six words in them, giving them really complicated instructions

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<v Speaker 3>like syntax, and they could understand that, which is really

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<v Speaker 3>study them. I'm like, well, well that's very language like,

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<v Speaker 3>So how much do they understand, Like how sophisticated is

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<v Speaker 2>What were they communicating during those experiments?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, those are only one way, So it was humans

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<v Speaker 3>telling dolphins to do stuff. Those are the best experiments

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<v Speaker 3>with the clearest results. But as soon as you start

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<v Speaker 3>dolphins don't give a shit. They don't seem interested in

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<v Speaker 3>communicating with people like they we know that they can

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<v Speaker 3>learn this stuff, but when you put one of these

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<v Speaker 2>Do you ever feel like Amy Adams arrival.

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<v Speaker 3>That's how a lot of people study in communication would

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<v Speaker 3>maybe frame themselves. I think, like, maybe we'll crack the code,

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<v Speaker 3>will be the ones to figure it out. That's how

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<v Speaker 3>I started my career. I'm like, you know, I'm going

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<v Speaker 3>And then the more I study, the more I realize like, oh, well,

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<v Speaker 3>it doesn't seem like they have a code that needs cracking.

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<v Speaker 3>There's no secret system. And also they don't really need

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<v Speaker 3>their behavior. My whole career now is like, look, animals

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<v Speaker 3>are sophisticated in their own right. They do not have

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<v Speaker 3>to be human like to be interesting. Let's celebrate dolphins

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<v Speaker 3>for what they are, which is not humans, not doing

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<v Speaker 3>human language stuff. Brains tell you nothing about an animal's intelligence,

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<v Speaker 3>like it seems like it should. Humans have big relatively

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<v Speaker 3>big brains soda dolphins. But like once all the scientists

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<v Speaker 3>like compile like, okay, well a tool using species should

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<v Speaker 3>be a larger brain species. Well guess what ants use

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<v Speaker 3>tools or whatever? Like any example of an intelligent thing

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<v Speaker 3>from a big, grain brained animal you can find in

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<v Speaker 3>some small brained, smooth brained animal. And so there's no,

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<v Speaker 2>So as you are berrating yourself for forgetting your cousin's

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<v Speaker 2>Just remember, dolphins aren't necessarily smarter than you, but they

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<v Speaker 2>can recognize their friends through whistles and the taste of

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<v Speaker 2>their pea. I'm sorry what. According the twenty twenty two

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<v Speaker 2>Taste and Bottlenosed Dolphins, researchers messed around and found that

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<v Speaker 2>playing a dolphin's friend or family member's signature whistle hey

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<v Speaker 2>paired with a gustatory stimuli, meaning the taste of that

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<v Speaker 2>friend's urine, made the dolphin be like, hey, richie, richie,

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<v Speaker 2>where are you? Dude? Much more than just the whistle

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<v Speaker 2>or the p alone And if you're like, why did

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<v Speaker 2>you make me learn? If dolphins can recognize other individuals

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<v Speaker 2>by the smell of their pea, blame patron Laura M. Smith,

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<v Speaker 2>who asked, is it true they can recognize other individuals

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<v Speaker 2>Speaking of recognition, do dolphins know how cute they are?

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<v Speaker 2>What about the mirror test?

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, they're one of the few species that passes the

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<v Speaker 3>mirror self recognition test, So There's lots of versions of

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<v Speaker 3>this test, but the idea is, if you put a

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<v Speaker 3>and put them in front of a mirror, if they

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<v Speaker 3>use the mirror to inspect the mark in any way,

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<v Speaker 3>like if they twist and turn their head or if

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<v Speaker 3>you're a chimpanzee you touch the mark, then you know

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<v Speaker 3>that they know that the reflection is actually them. So

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<v Speaker 3>they have a concept of a self awareness that at

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<v Speaker 3>least involves mirrors. And dolphins have passed this on multiple occasions.

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<v Speaker 3>There's a relatively recent study, even more elegantly done that

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, what about accents? Mikaela A Gabriel, Nathan Andrew Leaflight,

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<v Speaker 2>and Vincent Hill. In Aaron's words, do different dolphin pods

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<v Speaker 2>have different dialects? Do they have regional accents? Vincent wants

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<v Speaker 3>In killer whales and orca, Absolutely, And that's one of

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<v Speaker 3>these family group pods, and those family groups over the

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<v Speaker 3>years will develop sounds that are specific to that family group.

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<v Speaker 3>So you can easily tell the difference between one family

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<v Speaker 3>and that's sort of evolving over time. And so that's

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<v Speaker 3>a great example of culture in an animal species. Bottlenose

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<v Speaker 3>dolphins not so much because they don't split along those

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<v Speaker 3>same lines, and so they're you know, regionally. You might say, oh,

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<v Speaker 3>this dolphin group might sound different to that, but it's

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<v Speaker 3>nowhere near as clear as killer whales. That's they absolutely have.

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<v Speaker 3>And the official term is dialects. They have different dialects.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean some monkeys have this as well, right.

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<v Speaker 3>but you know what I mean. They you can tell

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<v Speaker 2>What about play? A bunch of people want to know

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<v Speaker 2>look at you? Patrons Alison Arkush, Ashley Oakley Roslin has

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<v Speaker 2>so Julia Volmar and Sophia a. So what are they

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<v Speaker 2>doing when they're in Abby's words, like jumping so high

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<v Speaker 2>out of the water. Are they having fun?

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<v Speaker 3>It seems like it a lot of the times when

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<v Speaker 3>a dolphins jumping out of the water, it is for fun.

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<v Speaker 3>Spinner dolphins are a weird case. We actually think the

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<v Speaker 3>more than just fun, although fun might be the reason too,

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<v Speaker 3>but that might be used for a long distance communication

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<v Speaker 3>if one dolphin sees another one off in the distance

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<v Speaker 3>spinning around. Maybe, But most of the time, if you

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<v Speaker 3>see dolphins doing things that seem playful, guess what, it's

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<v Speaker 3>totally playful. They're very playful animal species. They love games

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<v Speaker 3>of keep away, they love like, you know, they'll grab

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<v Speaker 3>our items and like carry them around, you know, and

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<v Speaker 3>and just generally do stuff that we would associate with fun. Indeed,

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<v Speaker 3>you do find that younger dolphins are more playful, for sure,

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<v Speaker 3>If you get a young dolphin that's a juvenile that

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<v Speaker 3>The mom will be like, angry, he's my friend, though.

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<v Speaker 3>Do you know what they do to the moms will

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<v Speaker 3>do to discipline a dolphin. This is interesting. So young

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<v Speaker 3>hold it down for a little bit, because that's scary

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<v Speaker 3>if you're a dolphin and you need to breathe. And

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<v Speaker 3>so that's the way a mom will discipline, and they

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<v Speaker 3>will do that to humans that are annoying them as well.

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<v Speaker 3>And so there's only been one recorded incidence of a

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<v Speaker 3>with this lone sociable dolphin that used to come up

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<v Speaker 3>to the beach and people would pet it or whatever,

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<v Speaker 3>which is weird in its own right. But there was

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<v Speaker 3>some like drunk dudes and they were trying to put

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<v Speaker 3>it no, dolphin got real angry. And that's the only

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, And that was documented and verified, I.

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<v Speaker 2>Justin was kidding and he said it's been documented. So

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<v Speaker 2>December nineteen ninety four. Friends was a brand new television

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<v Speaker 2>situation comedy and Mariah Carey's All I Want for Christmas

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<v Speaker 2>is you had just dropped. Meanwhile, in Karra, Guadituba, Brazil,

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<v Speaker 2>with the wrong dolphin. So Cheo, named for the location

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<v Speaker 2>of Sao Sebastio, was a male dolphin who popped up

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<v Speaker 2>around March of that year, nineteen ninety four. He was

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<v Speaker 2>friendly with female swimmers. Side note, scientists say female humans

415
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<v Speaker 2>have similar pheromones to lady dolphins. But as more and

416
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<v Speaker 2>more people heard about him and they flocked to meet

417
00:21:42.759 --> 00:21:46.240
<v Speaker 2>this affable lad, some of those people were dicks and

418
00:21:46.319 --> 00:21:50.519
<v Speaker 2>had dicks. Folks would try to grab the bottlenosed dolphins

419
00:21:50.799 --> 00:21:55.240
<v Speaker 2>pectoralphins for some kind of oceanic pony ride, and even

420
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<v Speaker 2>try to pour beer down his throat, and maybe Cheo

421
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<v Speaker 2>was like, no, I would literally rather taste my mom's

422
00:22:01.119 --> 00:22:04.680
<v Speaker 2>yarin And as a result, between March and November nineteen

423
00:22:04.759 --> 00:22:08.079
<v Speaker 2>ninety four, Cheo has put twenty eight people in the

424
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<v Speaker 2>hospital and by December he'd fucking had it. And when

425
00:22:12.200 --> 00:22:14.400
<v Speaker 2>these two guys on the beach started messing with his

426
00:22:14.480 --> 00:22:18.519
<v Speaker 2>tail fluke, Geo rammed them both repeatedly in the chest

427
00:22:18.640 --> 00:22:23.160
<v Speaker 2>with his rostrum, inflicting fatal internal injuries on a guy

428
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<v Speaker 2>named yal Paolo Morea and breaking the rib of survivor

429
00:22:27.960 --> 00:22:31.160
<v Speaker 2>Wilson Pedroso, who I just spent well over an hour

430
00:22:31.480 --> 00:22:33.759
<v Speaker 2>looking up on Facebook and Instagram to be like does

431
00:22:33.799 --> 00:22:37.039
<v Speaker 2>his bio say dolphin attack survivor, like be nice to dolphins?

432
00:22:37.480 --> 00:22:39.759
<v Speaker 2>And all I found was a government official in saw

433
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<v Speaker 2>Paolo with the same name an appropriate age, like he

434
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<v Speaker 2>could have been drunk on a beach back when metallic

435
00:22:46.079 --> 00:22:48.559
<v Speaker 2>pants were cool. But alas if it's him, he's put

436
00:22:48.599 --> 00:22:51.200
<v Speaker 2>his dolphin harassing passed behind him. But as for Chio,

437
00:22:51.279 --> 00:22:52.640
<v Speaker 2>I know you're like what happened to the dolphin?

438
00:22:52.720 --> 00:22:52.880
<v Speaker 3>Right?

439
00:22:53.279 --> 00:22:55.920
<v Speaker 2>He was never charged with any crime, and he came

440
00:22:56.000 --> 00:22:58.960
<v Speaker 2>back to the bay a few times, but then either

441
00:22:59.039 --> 00:23:03.079
<v Speaker 2>took off with the traveling pod and probably talked shit

442
00:23:03.119 --> 00:23:07.440
<v Speaker 2>about humans forever understandably, or one of our species may

443
00:23:07.440 --> 00:23:10.160
<v Speaker 2>have hunted him down secretly. Nobody knows. So let this

444
00:23:10.319 --> 00:23:13.279
<v Speaker 2>be a lesson. Do not taunt a dolphin. Plus, it

445
00:23:13.319 --> 00:23:15.279
<v Speaker 2>could cost you a lot of money. The Marine Mammal

446
00:23:15.319 --> 00:23:18.720
<v Speaker 2>Production Act of nineteen seventy two means that could cost

447
00:23:18.759 --> 00:23:21.440
<v Speaker 2>you up to one hundred ges to haze a dolphin

448
00:23:21.759 --> 00:23:24.519
<v Speaker 2>or get within fifty yards of them. So what is

449
00:23:24.559 --> 00:23:29.319
<v Speaker 2>the ologies lesson about marine mammals? Gidtos? Pretend they have

450
00:23:29.440 --> 00:23:33.519
<v Speaker 2>a restraining order against you. Yes, very good. Otherwise they

451
00:23:33.519 --> 00:23:36.759
<v Speaker 2>may actually make you the star of your own Greek tragedy.

452
00:23:36.960 --> 00:23:40.160
<v Speaker 2>Well good for them. I mean dolphin vengeance, do it?

453
00:23:40.160 --> 00:23:44.359
<v Speaker 2>It's vigilante. But I mean Emma Garchigan and Signy s

454
00:23:44.440 --> 00:23:47.200
<v Speaker 2>and Kate Unker want to know what's with the boat obsession.

455
00:23:47.640 --> 00:23:49.759
<v Speaker 2>Kate wants to know. I've always wondered why do dolphins

456
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<v Speaker 2>chase boats?

457
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<v Speaker 3>Yep, if you've been on a boat, you've probably seen

458
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<v Speaker 3>a dolphin like chasing after your boat. And that's because

459
00:23:55.960 --> 00:23:58.720
<v Speaker 3>the dolphin will create a pressure wave at the bow

460
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<v Speaker 3>of the boat, which is literally pushing the water along,

461
00:24:01.400 --> 00:24:03.599
<v Speaker 3>so they can the dolphin can sit right in that

462
00:24:03.720 --> 00:24:06.640
<v Speaker 3>pocket and be pushed along without having to swim. So

463
00:24:06.640 --> 00:24:09.319
<v Speaker 3>it's just fun. It's like surfing, and the back of

464
00:24:09.359 --> 00:24:11.000
<v Speaker 3>the boat is the same thing. It's churning up all

465
00:24:11.039 --> 00:24:13.400
<v Speaker 3>this water and it creates these waves and they'll they'll

466
00:24:13.440 --> 00:24:15.640
<v Speaker 3>stay in that slip stream and like come out of

467
00:24:15.640 --> 00:24:17.920
<v Speaker 3>it like they're surfing. So it's just fun.

468
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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god. Okay, what about Nidarian Knight wants to

469
00:24:20.759 --> 00:24:23.359
<v Speaker 2>know how large can pods get. I've seen videos of

470
00:24:23.480 --> 00:24:25.160
<v Speaker 2>hundreds across the water column.

471
00:24:25.400 --> 00:24:29.640
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's species specific, like spinner dolphins, common dolphins. Sometimes

472
00:24:29.640 --> 00:24:32.200
<v Speaker 3>they come together in groups of thousands especi usually when

473
00:24:32.200 --> 00:24:34.359
<v Speaker 3>they're traveling. So if they all got some wlayce to

474
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<v Speaker 3>go for some reason, like they're headed out to the

475
00:24:35.920 --> 00:24:39.960
<v Speaker 3>hunting grounds, they'll do that. Other species not so much.

476
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<v Speaker 3>You don't see, you know, bottle, those dolphins are not

477
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<v Speaker 3>doing big group stuff.

478
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<v Speaker 2>I love the idea of like a commuter train full

479
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<v Speaker 2>of dolphins.

480
00:24:47.319 --> 00:24:49.920
<v Speaker 3>That's totally what it is. And there's stampedes they're called.

481
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<v Speaker 3>I love it. It's so cool.

482
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<v Speaker 2>Zoe Jane Page Price Emmagerschigan want to know about assisted birth.

483
00:24:56.400 --> 00:24:59.599
<v Speaker 2>Zoe Jane says, dolphin dulas. Let's talk about the magical

484
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<v Speaker 2>Intuiti world of dolphins supporting labor and birth. Is that true?

485
00:25:04.279 --> 00:25:05.880
<v Speaker 2>Are they? Like push bush?

486
00:25:06.279 --> 00:25:09.119
<v Speaker 3>I've had so many questions over the years from expectant

487
00:25:09.119 --> 00:25:13.720
<v Speaker 3>moms who are asking me to help them find a

488
00:25:13.799 --> 00:25:18.119
<v Speaker 3>dolphin to help them give birth down like it. Yeah,

489
00:25:18.240 --> 00:25:20.640
<v Speaker 3>I don't know how this entered into the zeitgeist, but

490
00:25:20.680 --> 00:25:23.000
<v Speaker 3>it's there. So the idea is if you go out

491
00:25:23.000 --> 00:25:25.200
<v Speaker 3>into the ocean, the dolphins will come up to you

492
00:25:25.240 --> 00:25:27.359
<v Speaker 3>and they will help you with the birth. I don't

493
00:25:27.400 --> 00:25:30.000
<v Speaker 3>know what that help would mean. I guess hang around

494
00:25:30.079 --> 00:25:33.279
<v Speaker 3>you something. So people are like, how do I do that?

495
00:25:33.440 --> 00:25:36.559
<v Speaker 3>And I'm like, okay, don't don't do that because like

496
00:25:37.000 --> 00:25:39.160
<v Speaker 3>if you are on the boat trying to give birth

497
00:25:39.200 --> 00:25:40.799
<v Speaker 3>in the middle of the ocean, like you're nowhere near

498
00:25:40.839 --> 00:25:43.240
<v Speaker 3>like proper medical care, like and there's no ambulance, so

499
00:25:43.279 --> 00:25:45.920
<v Speaker 3>like it's it can be dangerous. Also, you know what's

500
00:25:45.960 --> 00:25:48.480
<v Speaker 3>in you know, when you're giving birth, a lot of

501
00:25:48.519 --> 00:25:50.880
<v Speaker 3>stuff comes out of you. Some of it is blood

502
00:25:51.000 --> 00:25:53.400
<v Speaker 3>or like placenta or whatnot. And do you know what

503
00:25:53.559 --> 00:25:56.799
<v Speaker 3>likes blood and placenta to eat sharks? Do you know

504
00:25:56.839 --> 00:25:59.440
<v Speaker 3>what's in the ocean sharks, right, and so like, I

505
00:25:59.440 --> 00:26:01.759
<v Speaker 3>wouldn't want to put like a newborn in a placenta.

506
00:26:01.839 --> 00:26:06.400
<v Speaker 3>You're chumming the waters essentially, Like, that's not a good idea.

507
00:26:06.440 --> 00:26:08.559
<v Speaker 3>But some people want to give birth like in a

508
00:26:08.599 --> 00:26:12.119
<v Speaker 3>shallow pool for some reason and hope a dolphin comes. Like, Okay,

509
00:26:12.160 --> 00:26:15.880
<v Speaker 3>I've heard that that's happened. That's probably fine, But I

510
00:26:16.000 --> 00:26:21.480
<v Speaker 3>don't know why they think dolphins care about helping humans

511
00:26:21.519 --> 00:26:24.000
<v Speaker 3>give birth. They do help each other, sure, you know,

512
00:26:24.079 --> 00:26:25.960
<v Speaker 3>like a mom will help push the newborn up and

513
00:26:26.000 --> 00:26:28.079
<v Speaker 3>then the other dolphins will gather around. That's fine, but

514
00:26:28.519 --> 00:26:29.640
<v Speaker 3>we're not dolphins.

515
00:26:30.119 --> 00:26:34.680
<v Speaker 2>I'm sure there's someone who accepts bitcoin to put you

516
00:26:34.680 --> 00:26:36.400
<v Speaker 2>in a pool with dolphins while you're giving birth.

517
00:26:36.519 --> 00:26:40.240
<v Speaker 3>Right, you can find any service anywhere in the planet.

518
00:26:40.240 --> 00:26:40.960
<v Speaker 3>This is what I know.

519
00:26:41.000 --> 00:26:44.359
<v Speaker 2>So, yes, very accurate. So while you could seek out

520
00:26:44.759 --> 00:26:47.599
<v Speaker 2>an institute on the Big Island for this kind of

521
00:26:47.680 --> 00:26:51.839
<v Speaker 2>delivery in an idyllic setting, let's consider that there's not

522
00:26:51.960 --> 00:26:55.559
<v Speaker 2>a lot of solid evidence or even liquid evidence that

523
00:26:55.640 --> 00:26:59.839
<v Speaker 2>this is good for you or even safe biologically. Also,

524
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<v Speaker 2>for what I understand, the residents of Hawaii don't want

525
00:27:03.319 --> 00:27:06.599
<v Speaker 2>anyone there. They're like don't come here, goopen up the

526
00:27:06.599 --> 00:27:09.559
<v Speaker 2>beaches with your placenta and then flying back to Ohio.

527
00:27:09.799 --> 00:27:13.640
<v Speaker 2>Don't now if you're wriggling waxy newborn gets eaten by

528
00:27:13.640 --> 00:27:15.680
<v Speaker 2>a dolphin because you've had one of these berths. You

529
00:27:15.720 --> 00:27:19.279
<v Speaker 2>can actually blame a Russian gentleman named Igor Tarkovsky who

530
00:27:19.440 --> 00:27:23.000
<v Speaker 2>started this trend by suggesting that his pregnant clients take

531
00:27:23.160 --> 00:27:25.480
<v Speaker 2>a dip in the Black Sea and make nice with

532
00:27:25.559 --> 00:27:27.640
<v Speaker 2>the mammals there. And I was looking into it. I

533
00:27:27.680 --> 00:27:30.200
<v Speaker 2>was like, who is this eiger gray? And looking ato

534
00:27:30.279 --> 00:27:32.240
<v Speaker 2>him for their I found in nineteen ninety six newspaper

535
00:27:32.240 --> 00:27:37.279
<v Speaker 2>clipping with the headline controversial birth guru charged with sex assault.

536
00:27:37.559 --> 00:27:40.920
<v Speaker 2>And that explains that the former gym teacher who became

537
00:27:41.000 --> 00:27:45.640
<v Speaker 2>a self professed father of sea berths wasn't neptune in

538
00:27:45.680 --> 00:27:47.680
<v Speaker 2>a lab coat, but he was just a good old

539
00:27:47.720 --> 00:27:52.160
<v Speaker 2>fashioned predatory creep. So scratch dolphin berth off the bucket list.

540
00:27:52.279 --> 00:27:55.240
<v Speaker 2>You're good. Spend the money on a float tank and

541
00:27:55.480 --> 00:27:58.440
<v Speaker 2>a fistful of acid tabs. Don't do that. But as

542
00:27:58.480 --> 00:28:01.200
<v Speaker 2>long as we're back on drugs, A few folks had

543
00:28:01.240 --> 00:28:04.400
<v Speaker 2>a question about stoned dolphins, and I'm looking at you,

544
00:28:04.680 --> 00:28:07.960
<v Speaker 2>great Lady Dane who asked do dolphins really enjoy drugs?

545
00:28:08.319 --> 00:28:09.920
<v Speaker 2>You were not the only one who needed to know.

546
00:28:10.319 --> 00:28:13.240
<v Speaker 2>People want to know, Angela Clark, Olga, Mary and Thomas,

547
00:28:13.279 --> 00:28:15.519
<v Speaker 2>Matt Thompson, RM and Steven Shelley want to know what

548
00:28:15.559 --> 00:28:17.799
<v Speaker 2>are they doing with pufferfish? Mary and Thomas says, I

549
00:28:17.839 --> 00:28:19.880
<v Speaker 2>heard they use pufferfish to get highs. It's true.

550
00:28:20.079 --> 00:28:23.039
<v Speaker 3>Okay. So there was this I think BBC show called

551
00:28:23.119 --> 00:28:26.039
<v Speaker 3>Spy in the Pod, and it had this whole little

552
00:28:26.079 --> 00:28:29.200
<v Speaker 3>segment where there's like dolphins playing with the puffer fish

553
00:28:29.599 --> 00:28:31.680
<v Speaker 3>and the puffer fish is all blown up and they're

554
00:28:31.720 --> 00:28:33.920
<v Speaker 3>like dragging it around and you look at the dolphin

555
00:28:33.960 --> 00:28:37.599
<v Speaker 3>and its eyes are like half closed. It looks totally stoned,

556
00:28:38.279 --> 00:28:41.160
<v Speaker 3>and they're like, ah, man, that dolphin is high on

557
00:28:41.200 --> 00:28:43.559
<v Speaker 3>the toxin from the puffer fish. And then that just

558
00:28:43.599 --> 00:28:46.079
<v Speaker 3>became like a thing that everyone knew on the internet.

559
00:28:46.279 --> 00:28:49.400
<v Speaker 3>When attacked pufferfish released a neurotoxin.

560
00:28:49.759 --> 00:28:53.160
<v Speaker 2>In high doses it can kill, but in small doses

561
00:28:53.640 --> 00:28:57.200
<v Speaker 2>it has an arcotic effect. It seems to be affecting

562
00:28:57.240 --> 00:28:58.079
<v Speaker 2>the dolphins.

563
00:28:58.319 --> 00:29:01.920
<v Speaker 3>But the thing with is the dolphin in the thing

564
00:29:02.119 --> 00:29:05.799
<v Speaker 3>didn't have like high it didn't have squinty high eyeballs.

565
00:29:06.039 --> 00:29:07.720
<v Speaker 3>If you shine a light on a dolphin, like, it

566
00:29:07.759 --> 00:29:09.920
<v Speaker 3>will squint its eyes. And this was the dolphin like

567
00:29:09.960 --> 00:29:12.000
<v Speaker 3>in the sunlight. Okay, that's probably all that was. That's

568
00:29:12.039 --> 00:29:15.119
<v Speaker 3>totally normal, And like, there's zero evidence that they can

569
00:29:15.160 --> 00:29:18.440
<v Speaker 3>actually extract the poison from a puffer fildver, no one's

570
00:29:18.440 --> 00:29:21.000
<v Speaker 3>ever seen that. And even if they did extract it,

571
00:29:21.000 --> 00:29:23.599
<v Speaker 3>there's zero evidence. I can't remember the name of the

572
00:29:23.960 --> 00:29:25.519
<v Speaker 3>like tetra dioxone or.

573
00:29:25.480 --> 00:29:28.079
<v Speaker 2>Something, tetra do oxin, whatever.

574
00:29:27.799 --> 00:29:30.440
<v Speaker 3>That poison is, we don't know if that has psychotropic

575
00:29:30.480 --> 00:29:33.759
<v Speaker 3>properties for a dolphin. That's all just insane speculation. And

576
00:29:33.799 --> 00:29:37.440
<v Speaker 3>so like there's like eight steps of speculation based off

577
00:29:37.480 --> 00:29:41.000
<v Speaker 3>of this one video. So I'd say, is it possible, yes?

578
00:29:41.680 --> 00:29:42.279
<v Speaker 3>Is it likely?

579
00:29:42.519 --> 00:29:46.400
<v Speaker 2>No good to know flimflam being busted. I looked so

580
00:29:46.640 --> 00:29:49.000
<v Speaker 2>deep into this, and I was so excited to unearth

581
00:29:49.079 --> 00:29:53.559
<v Speaker 2>the twenty fourteen paper Nature and Narcotics dolphins use pufferfish

582
00:29:53.640 --> 00:29:57.599
<v Speaker 2>tsin to achieve trance like state. But then following the

583
00:29:57.640 --> 00:30:00.799
<v Speaker 2>citation trail, I realized that all rose led back to

584
00:30:00.799 --> 00:30:04.400
<v Speaker 2>that one incident from the twenty thirteen BBC video called

585
00:30:04.519 --> 00:30:06.839
<v Speaker 2>spy in the pod. So that is a sum total

586
00:30:07.079 --> 00:30:09.799
<v Speaker 2>of the research and observations on this, although I did

587
00:30:09.839 --> 00:30:13.640
<v Speaker 2>find the twenty sixteen paper called Preliminary Report of Object

588
00:30:13.720 --> 00:30:19.079
<v Speaker 2>carrying Behavior by Provisioned Wild Australian humpback Dolphins in tin Canbay, Queensland, Australia,

589
00:30:19.240 --> 00:30:23.039
<v Speaker 2>which noted that while observing the humpback dolphins quote, there

590
00:30:23.119 --> 00:30:27.000
<v Speaker 2>was one instance where a live puffer fish was thrown

591
00:30:27.119 --> 00:30:32.319
<v Speaker 2>at staff repeatedly, which, if nothing else, is evidence that

592
00:30:32.440 --> 00:30:34.960
<v Speaker 2>transcending the sea in the land is the etiquette of

593
00:30:35.039 --> 00:30:37.839
<v Speaker 2>puffer puffer pass. Okay, this is something I should have

594
00:30:37.880 --> 00:30:41.519
<v Speaker 2>asked you right up top, Emma Luck who signed themselves

595
00:30:41.599 --> 00:30:45.640
<v Speaker 2>sincerely attired killer Whale researcher cool asked in all caps,

596
00:30:46.000 --> 00:30:48.279
<v Speaker 2>not even an ask, a demand. Please explain to everyone

597
00:30:48.279 --> 00:30:51.279
<v Speaker 2>that killer whales are both whales and dolphins, and that

598
00:30:51.359 --> 00:30:54.720
<v Speaker 2>all dolphins are just tooth whales. Wait a minute, Wait

599
00:30:54.720 --> 00:30:59.680
<v Speaker 2>a minute, dolphins are whales. Wait no, killer whales are dolphins.

600
00:30:59.759 --> 00:31:00.559
<v Speaker 2>Help me out.

601
00:31:00.759 --> 00:31:03.160
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, those words are all useless. I hate them all.

602
00:31:03.200 --> 00:31:05.519
<v Speaker 3>I hate the word whale and dolphins. So we call

603
00:31:05.640 --> 00:31:08.440
<v Speaker 3>killer whales whales. We also call them orcas they're actually

604
00:31:08.759 --> 00:31:11.839
<v Speaker 3>a dolphin species, right, and then you have pilot whales.

605
00:31:11.880 --> 00:31:15.000
<v Speaker 3>Guess what also a dolphin. Melot headed whale also a dolphin.

606
00:31:15.319 --> 00:31:17.759
<v Speaker 3>And you can also use the word dolphin to apply

607
00:31:17.880 --> 00:31:21.200
<v Speaker 3>to porpoises sometimes and sometimes people use it to talk

608
00:31:21.240 --> 00:31:23.920
<v Speaker 3>about the dolphin fish, which is a fish. A whale

609
00:31:24.000 --> 00:31:27.079
<v Speaker 3>is generally a big animal, so a pilot whale is

610
00:31:27.119 --> 00:31:29.960
<v Speaker 3>a large dolphin. A killer whale is a large dolphin.

611
00:31:30.319 --> 00:31:33.240
<v Speaker 3>Bailean whales are all pretty large. The zifids you know,

612
00:31:33.319 --> 00:31:36.200
<v Speaker 3>these other tooth whales, they're also large. The word dolphin

613
00:31:36.319 --> 00:31:41.759
<v Speaker 3>usually refers to oceanic dolphins or river dolphins. There's no

614
00:31:41.920 --> 00:31:44.920
<v Speaker 3>definition that will always be true. It's just common names

615
00:31:44.960 --> 00:31:47.680
<v Speaker 3>that we randomly give them based mostly on size.

616
00:31:47.799 --> 00:31:49.759
<v Speaker 2>Well as a person who studies dolphins, and now that

617
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<v Speaker 2>we know that orchis are dolphins, is it bad to

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<v Speaker 2>call them killer whales? Or I read somewhere that it's like,

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<v Speaker 2>how how dare you call them a killer whale? Same

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<v Speaker 2>with great white sharks. Just call them a white shark

621
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<v Speaker 2>because it's villainizing animals that are like, I'm just out

622
00:32:02.519 --> 00:32:05.759
<v Speaker 2>here eating fish and sometimes they'll kill some seals. Leave

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<v Speaker 2>me alone about it. What's the scientific community thoughts on that.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you will see that it'll change from year to

625
00:32:12.720 --> 00:32:15.039
<v Speaker 3>year in the literature as to the sort of like this,

626
00:32:15.279 --> 00:32:17.839
<v Speaker 3>the political and the social stuff will change the words

627
00:32:17.839 --> 00:32:20.680
<v Speaker 3>that we use. A lot of people will not use

628
00:32:20.759 --> 00:32:23.279
<v Speaker 3>killer whale because they don't want to confuse people into

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00:32:23.279 --> 00:32:25.599
<v Speaker 3>thinking they're big, vicious, dangerous things. So you'll see orca

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<v Speaker 3>quite a bit in the literature. But I don't know,

631
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<v Speaker 3>I don't know what this year is all about. Maybe

632
00:32:31.160 --> 00:32:33.759
<v Speaker 3>there's more orca than killer whale. It's it's just a

633
00:32:33.759 --> 00:32:36.400
<v Speaker 3>personal preference. And the same way people will talk about

634
00:32:36.720 --> 00:32:39.240
<v Speaker 3>dolphins being in captivity and sometimes they'll say dolphins in

635
00:32:39.319 --> 00:32:42.119
<v Speaker 3>human care. That you will use different language depending on

636
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<v Speaker 3>what industry is involved in the in the publication.

637
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<v Speaker 2>That's good to know, I guess. Speaking of killers, let's

638
00:32:47.680 --> 00:32:52.119
<v Speaker 2>talk military uses. Alison Arkush, John Clinton, Kate, Georgia Hester Dingle.

639
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<v Speaker 2>Want to know how are dolphins used for national defense?

640
00:32:57.200 --> 00:33:02.079
<v Speaker 2>Or what other cool jobs do dolphins have? Are we like, hey,

641
00:33:02.119 --> 00:33:04.680
<v Speaker 2>I drop something. You know that video of a beluga

642
00:33:04.680 --> 00:33:06.640
<v Speaker 2>whale that goes and gets a phone. Yes, Like, I

643
00:33:06.640 --> 00:33:08.400
<v Speaker 2>don't know if that's the same bluga that's just like

644
00:33:08.480 --> 00:33:11.240
<v Speaker 2>in a ford that got lost was wearing like a

645
00:33:11.400 --> 00:33:15.319
<v Speaker 2>Russian bra. But who's out there working for who?

646
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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Well, as soon as they figured out that dolphins

647
00:33:18.359 --> 00:33:20.759
<v Speaker 3>were kind of smart and I could echo locate, They're like, okay,

648
00:33:20.759 --> 00:33:23.319
<v Speaker 3>how do we weaponize this, because that's that's the way

649
00:33:23.759 --> 00:33:27.599
<v Speaker 3>of the world, right, And so originally the US Navy

650
00:33:27.640 --> 00:33:31.079
<v Speaker 3>and the Soviets were training dolphins and seals to do

651
00:33:31.240 --> 00:33:34.680
<v Speaker 3>military stuff. So that could be patrolling boats, you know,

652
00:33:34.720 --> 00:33:37.440
<v Speaker 3>where they might signal if the enemy diver approaches, or

653
00:33:37.480 --> 00:33:40.799
<v Speaker 3>looking and tagging mines that kind of thing. Yeah, they

654
00:33:40.839 --> 00:33:43.519
<v Speaker 3>have a lot of uses when in construction and things

655
00:33:43.559 --> 00:33:46.200
<v Speaker 3>like that. So the military has been training and using them,

656
00:33:46.480 --> 00:33:49.319
<v Speaker 3>not in anti personnel. The US Navy has said they've

657
00:33:49.319 --> 00:33:51.920
<v Speaker 3>never trained a dolphin to kill like an enemy diver.

658
00:33:52.519 --> 00:33:55.480
<v Speaker 3>The Soviets, on the other hand, quite famously did try

659
00:33:55.480 --> 00:33:58.839
<v Speaker 3>and use their dolphins to kill and other enemy divers.

660
00:33:58.839 --> 00:34:01.519
<v Speaker 3>They had like explosive darts or so we've been led

661
00:34:01.559 --> 00:34:03.400
<v Speaker 3>to believe on the dolphins, so it could like poco

662
00:34:03.480 --> 00:34:06.039
<v Speaker 3>diver and like kill them with employees and around. So

663
00:34:06.079 --> 00:34:10.519
<v Speaker 3>those are the dolphins that in Sevastopol in Ukraine Crimea

664
00:34:10.599 --> 00:34:12.840
<v Speaker 3>now part of Russia. They were there for a long

665
00:34:12.880 --> 00:34:14.719
<v Speaker 3>time in the Black Sea being trained to do this stuff,

666
00:34:14.719 --> 00:34:17.000
<v Speaker 3>and then they were retired for a while, and I

667
00:34:17.039 --> 00:34:19.480
<v Speaker 3>think they were like just like people would do swim

668
00:34:19.480 --> 00:34:21.880
<v Speaker 3>with dolphin programs. And I think they've been re enlisted,

669
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<v Speaker 3>so I believe that they've started up the program again.

670
00:34:25.119 --> 00:34:29.360
<v Speaker 3>But that's just a very long history. Because they're trainable, smart,

671
00:34:29.400 --> 00:34:31.360
<v Speaker 3>they can dive in a way that humans can't do.

672
00:34:31.719 --> 00:34:35.000
<v Speaker 3>We can't replicate that with technology to the same extent. So, yeah,

673
00:34:35.079 --> 00:34:37.920
<v Speaker 3>we use them for military purposes like everything else.

674
00:34:38.159 --> 00:34:40.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, where do I start to fill you in on this?

675
00:34:40.119 --> 00:34:43.199
<v Speaker 2>I'm just going to give you the broadest strokes I can. Okay,

676
00:34:43.400 --> 00:34:47.639
<v Speaker 2>So the Navy has maintained marine mammal training centers off

677
00:34:47.679 --> 00:34:51.440
<v Speaker 2>the California coast for over half a century. The US

678
00:34:51.519 --> 00:34:54.280
<v Speaker 2>Navy Marine Mammal Program gets them out of the Gulf

679
00:34:54.280 --> 00:34:57.400
<v Speaker 2>of Mexico and then takes them to San Diego, trains

680
00:34:57.480 --> 00:35:03.000
<v Speaker 2>them to find underwater mine to nark on enemies, swimming

681
00:35:03.039 --> 00:35:07.280
<v Speaker 2>around to pick up dropped objects. Oh and also the

682
00:35:07.360 --> 00:35:11.639
<v Speaker 2>dolphins guard nearly a quarter of the US nuclear warfare stockpiles.

683
00:35:12.039 --> 00:35:15.719
<v Speaker 2>What sea lions are also on the payroll, which is

684
00:35:15.760 --> 00:35:18.960
<v Speaker 2>probably pretty fishy in a lot of ways. But apparently

685
00:35:19.280 --> 00:35:23.400
<v Speaker 2>sea lions have great underwater eyesight and quote high professionalism,

686
00:35:23.599 --> 00:35:25.960
<v Speaker 2>and I'm willing to guess they're better at spreadsheets than

687
00:35:25.960 --> 00:35:29.800
<v Speaker 2>I am. And I asked Google if Navy seals use

688
00:35:29.960 --> 00:35:32.119
<v Speaker 2>Navy seals, but it was like, I don't know what

689
00:35:32.159 --> 00:35:36.039
<v Speaker 2>you're saying. There's also many, many, many rumors that certain

690
00:35:36.039 --> 00:35:41.719
<v Speaker 2>militaries have trained dolphins to hypodermically stab at underwater enemy

691
00:35:41.760 --> 00:35:45.320
<v Speaker 2>divers with a needle, giving them a blast of CO

692
00:35:45.519 --> 00:35:50.320
<v Speaker 2>two in their veins, killing them instantly. Everyone keeps very

693
00:35:50.400 --> 00:35:54.280
<v Speaker 2>mum about that because loose monkey lips sink Navy ships.

694
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<v Speaker 2>But one animal activist named Rick O'Barry says that all

695
00:35:57.840 --> 00:36:00.519
<v Speaker 2>marine mammals should be freed from captivity alledges at the

696
00:36:00.559 --> 00:36:03.960
<v Speaker 2>military binds the rostrum of dolphins shut when they're in

697
00:36:04.000 --> 00:36:06.559
<v Speaker 2>the ocean so they'll come back to base to feed,

698
00:36:06.840 --> 00:36:09.239
<v Speaker 2>which does not sound cool. But why does this guy

699
00:36:09.280 --> 00:36:12.400
<v Speaker 2>care so much about enlisted dolphins? Okay, remember in part

700
00:36:12.440 --> 00:36:16.039
<v Speaker 2>one when I mentioned the Flipper dolphin actress, who's a

701
00:36:16.079 --> 00:36:21.360
<v Speaker 2>dolphin named Kathy who died possibly by suicide after filming wrapped,

702
00:36:21.400 --> 00:36:25.119
<v Speaker 2>and she was left without a lot of enrichment in captivity. Okay, well,

703
00:36:25.199 --> 00:36:30.599
<v Speaker 2>Rick o'berry was her trainer and Kathy died in his arms.

704
00:36:30.880 --> 00:36:34.159
<v Speaker 2>In fact, he trained all five dolphins that played Flipper,

705
00:36:34.400 --> 00:36:37.119
<v Speaker 2>and it wasn't until Kathy's death that he came to

706
00:36:37.159 --> 00:36:40.360
<v Speaker 2>the realization of the harm he may have done by

707
00:36:40.400 --> 00:36:44.199
<v Speaker 2>promoting captive dolphin spectacles. So you may have also seen

708
00:36:44.239 --> 00:36:47.039
<v Speaker 2>him in the future length documentary The Cove. Well, now,

709
00:36:47.280 --> 00:36:49.719
<v Speaker 2>really quick, let's go to Norway. What about that beluga

710
00:36:49.760 --> 00:36:53.559
<v Speaker 2>whale Vladimir who showed up with a Russian camera harness

711
00:36:53.840 --> 00:36:57.840
<v Speaker 2>in a Norwegian harbor? Is he okay? Not great?

712
00:36:58.079 --> 00:36:58.159
<v Speaker 1>So?

713
00:36:58.239 --> 00:37:01.800
<v Speaker 2>According to the nonprofit one he sustained a lot of

714
00:37:01.840 --> 00:37:04.800
<v Speaker 2>propeller injuries and they're trying to get him and other

715
00:37:04.880 --> 00:37:09.480
<v Speaker 2>cetaceans a fjord of their own so that Vladimir can

716
00:37:09.639 --> 00:37:13.239
<v Speaker 2>finally be safe from the roving deli slicers of harbor

717
00:37:13.280 --> 00:37:17.559
<v Speaker 2>traffic and live out his post military retirement. Speaking of warfare,

718
00:37:17.719 --> 00:37:21.199
<v Speaker 2>Savannah Glenn Jen's girl Alvarez first time question asker Katzi

719
00:37:21.280 --> 00:37:26.199
<v Speaker 2>is attack and Elder Zamora want to know? In Katzi's words,

720
00:37:26.400 --> 00:37:28.280
<v Speaker 2>do dolphins actually attack sharks?

721
00:37:28.599 --> 00:37:29.239
<v Speaker 3>Absolutely?

722
00:37:29.960 --> 00:37:30.320
<v Speaker 2>Really?

723
00:37:30.800 --> 00:37:33.920
<v Speaker 3>Yep, They're constantly on the lookout for sharks, and a

724
00:37:33.920 --> 00:37:35.960
<v Speaker 3>lot of their behavior like where they go at night

725
00:37:36.039 --> 00:37:39.039
<v Speaker 3>and the mother is protecting the babies and staying in

726
00:37:39.039 --> 00:37:42.159
<v Speaker 3>small groups. It's to protect from sharks. A neon, A

727
00:37:42.280 --> 00:37:45.440
<v Speaker 3>dolphin is just like a bite sized shark, snack delicious,

728
00:37:45.559 --> 00:37:48.400
<v Speaker 3>and so they are nervous. And if you look at

729
00:37:48.400 --> 00:37:51.920
<v Speaker 3>a wild dolphin population, they are usually covered in sharks scars.

730
00:37:52.280 --> 00:37:54.159
<v Speaker 3>And if a dolphin suddenly doesn't show up one day,

731
00:37:54.199 --> 00:37:56.559
<v Speaker 3>it's probably been eaten by a shark. So yes, they're

732
00:37:56.559 --> 00:37:59.480
<v Speaker 3>nervous of them. And there are many examples of dolphins

733
00:37:59.599 --> 00:38:02.920
<v Speaker 3>when attacked facing off against the shark. They usually they

734
00:38:02.920 --> 00:38:05.719
<v Speaker 3>will ram them really fast, hit the gills, that sort

735
00:38:05.760 --> 00:38:07.599
<v Speaker 3>of thing, try and chase them away. But most of

736
00:38:07.599 --> 00:38:09.320
<v Speaker 3>the time, if a shark is around, they just leave.

737
00:38:09.480 --> 00:38:12.719
<v Speaker 2>Good to know they're not out there necessarily hunting sharks,

738
00:38:12.760 --> 00:38:14.480
<v Speaker 2>but they can fight back if they need to.

739
00:38:14.719 --> 00:38:15.320
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's it.

740
00:38:15.480 --> 00:38:17.880
<v Speaker 2>On that note, Greg Wallach wants to know, are dolphins

741
00:38:17.880 --> 00:38:21.320
<v Speaker 2>gay sharks? Cat black Lars wants to know, please talk

742
00:38:21.320 --> 00:38:24.199
<v Speaker 2>about gay dolphins. I believe Greg is referencing a very

743
00:38:24.199 --> 00:38:27.800
<v Speaker 2>famous line from Glee in which someone states, do you

744
00:38:27.800 --> 00:38:31.000
<v Speaker 2>know that dolphins are just gy sharks. Cat wants to know,

745
00:38:31.440 --> 00:38:35.239
<v Speaker 2>let's talk about gay dolphins. Are dolphins gay? Some of them?

746
00:38:35.440 --> 00:38:38.599
<v Speaker 3>So it's an interesting question. There is in the animal

747
00:38:38.679 --> 00:38:42.719
<v Speaker 3>kingdom in general, a awful lot of same sex sexual behavior.

748
00:38:42.800 --> 00:38:48.679
<v Speaker 3>It is pretty normal, doesn't matter what species, insects, dolphins, dogs, whatever,

749
00:38:49.159 --> 00:38:53.519
<v Speaker 3>pretty standard stuff. Dolphins have a reputation for being extra gay.

750
00:38:53.639 --> 00:38:57.039
<v Speaker 3>And that is because if you hang around with dolphins,

751
00:38:57.639 --> 00:39:00.559
<v Speaker 3>you will notice pretty quickly penises.

752
00:39:00.840 --> 00:39:01.159
<v Speaker 1>Wow.

753
00:39:01.760 --> 00:39:05.239
<v Speaker 3>Especially young male dolphins will whip them out all the

754
00:39:05.280 --> 00:39:08.559
<v Speaker 3>time in a social context, and they're often together with

755
00:39:08.599 --> 00:39:10.880
<v Speaker 3>other young male dolphins, and the penises are just out

756
00:39:10.960 --> 00:39:14.480
<v Speaker 3>doing whatever. Sometimes they'll poke around with it, like like

757
00:39:14.760 --> 00:39:17.559
<v Speaker 3>the blowhole, but they don't go in or whatever, as

758
00:39:17.679 --> 00:39:21.440
<v Speaker 3>into the anus. Sometimes that will happen. This is standard stuff,

759
00:39:21.559 --> 00:39:26.440
<v Speaker 3>mounting each other, totally normal social behavior. And you can't

760
00:39:26.440 --> 00:39:27.840
<v Speaker 3>think of it in the same way you think of

761
00:39:27.920 --> 00:39:30.840
<v Speaker 3>like a human penis being. You know, if you see

762
00:39:30.880 --> 00:39:33.599
<v Speaker 3>somebody out in public with a penis running around doing stuff,

763
00:39:33.639 --> 00:39:37.480
<v Speaker 3>that's weird and debian normal for a dolphin. And that's

764
00:39:37.480 --> 00:39:39.480
<v Speaker 3>because I always think of it this way, Like dolphins

765
00:39:39.480 --> 00:39:42.519
<v Speaker 3>don't have hands, they have these dumb you know, pectoral fins,

766
00:39:42.519 --> 00:39:44.840
<v Speaker 3>which just can slap at best, they can slap around

767
00:39:44.880 --> 00:39:47.599
<v Speaker 3>and rub each other. A penis, however, is a little

768
00:39:47.599 --> 00:39:50.159
<v Speaker 3>more mobile, so it functions almost like a hand or

769
00:39:50.199 --> 00:39:52.559
<v Speaker 3>a finger. So if you had to like high five

770
00:39:52.639 --> 00:39:56.960
<v Speaker 3>your friend, like a penis is a potential thing that

771
00:39:57.000 --> 00:39:59.880
<v Speaker 3>you can use, And so they use them in social context,

772
00:40:00.119 --> 00:40:04.480
<v Speaker 3>which doesn't always involve sex, which you know, is it

773
00:40:04.519 --> 00:40:07.519
<v Speaker 3>a gay behavior. I don't know, because they're just engaging

774
00:40:07.599 --> 00:40:10.000
<v Speaker 3>in so much like same sex behavior, just like every

775
00:40:10.039 --> 00:40:14.280
<v Speaker 3>other species that yeah, there's sort of every dolphin is

776
00:40:14.320 --> 00:40:16.639
<v Speaker 3>by let's just say that's wonderful.

777
00:40:17.000 --> 00:40:20.760
<v Speaker 2>I'm happy for the dolphins to be honest. Yes, And

778
00:40:20.800 --> 00:40:25.000
<v Speaker 2>you mentioned tool use and curious cat and mushroom. Morgan

779
00:40:25.239 --> 00:40:28.400
<v Speaker 2>on that note, wanted to know curious cat ass do

780
00:40:28.440 --> 00:40:31.440
<v Speaker 2>they really use eels as flesh lights? And mushroom Morgan

781
00:40:31.480 --> 00:40:33.039
<v Speaker 2>wants to note is it true that dolphins bite the

782
00:40:33.079 --> 00:40:35.840
<v Speaker 2>heads off of fish and then use them to perform self?

783
00:40:35.920 --> 00:40:36.159
<v Speaker 3>Kind of?

784
00:40:36.199 --> 00:40:37.760
<v Speaker 2>I guess I think that.

785
00:40:37.760 --> 00:40:40.920
<v Speaker 3>There was an actual article where a dolphin was rubbing

786
00:40:40.960 --> 00:40:43.239
<v Speaker 3>on like a dead fish that I read. That is

787
00:40:43.280 --> 00:40:43.920
<v Speaker 3>a thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, oh my god, my Google search history. It's a

789
00:40:46.800 --> 00:40:53.360
<v Speaker 2>real real mess. People wow, okay, yes. John Hopkins University

790
00:40:53.360 --> 00:40:57.039
<v Speaker 2>neuroscience professor David Lindon detailed an account of a captive

791
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<v Speaker 2>male bottlenose dolphin wrapping a live eel around it stick

792
00:41:00.719 --> 00:41:04.199
<v Speaker 2>like a bacon wrapped hot dog, made of climaxing sea creatures,

793
00:41:04.280 --> 00:41:06.480
<v Speaker 2>at least one of them was climaxing, and the eel

794
00:41:06.760 --> 00:41:09.400
<v Speaker 2>was initially offered as food, but the dolphin was like,

795
00:41:09.440 --> 00:41:12.519
<v Speaker 2>I got a better idea, and it had to take

796
00:41:12.519 --> 00:41:14.920
<v Speaker 2>a detour to Dicktown and I'm sure he ate it afterward,

797
00:41:15.199 --> 00:41:17.440
<v Speaker 2>which is also gross now that I'm saying that out

798
00:41:17.440 --> 00:41:20.119
<v Speaker 2>loud now. Patron Alison Holloway wrote in I read a

799
00:41:20.119 --> 00:41:22.159
<v Speaker 2>book when I was a teen that dolphins used jet

800
00:41:22.159 --> 00:41:25.800
<v Speaker 2>streams to masturbate, so maybe it's a similar situation, which

801
00:41:25.840 --> 00:41:27.800
<v Speaker 2>then made me search for this book so that I

802
00:41:27.840 --> 00:41:31.239
<v Speaker 2>could find its author and ask why. But it was fruitless,

803
00:41:31.280 --> 00:41:35.280
<v Speaker 2>and it led me down a dark, unforgettable path about

804
00:41:35.280 --> 00:41:40.320
<v Speaker 2>a man who had an emotional and physical and intercoursical

805
00:41:40.559 --> 00:41:43.599
<v Speaker 2>affair with a dolphin and where else but Florida in

806
00:41:43.639 --> 00:41:46.000
<v Speaker 2>the nineteen seventies, and he wrote about it in a

807
00:41:46.039 --> 00:41:49.960
<v Speaker 2>memoir called Wet Goddess. Let's clear my cash, and let's

808
00:41:50.000 --> 00:41:52.239
<v Speaker 2>take a break to throw some money at people who

809
00:41:52.280 --> 00:41:55.599
<v Speaker 2>deserve it, such as the Dolphin Communication Project, whose mission

810
00:41:55.679 --> 00:41:58.760
<v Speaker 2>is to promote the scientific study of dolphins and inspire

811
00:41:58.800 --> 00:42:01.920
<v Speaker 2>their conservation. Just And is a senior research associate with them,

812
00:42:02.039 --> 00:42:05.360
<v Speaker 2>and the Dolphin Communication Project will be linked in the

813
00:42:05.360 --> 00:42:09.079
<v Speaker 2>show notes. So thanks sponsors for making that donation possible. Okay,

814
00:42:09.280 --> 00:42:12.239
<v Speaker 2>where I'm sorry? Where were we? Okay? Oh, still on

815
00:42:12.320 --> 00:42:16.360
<v Speaker 2>dolphins jerking it? Which, okay, after some fact checking, I

816
00:42:16.440 --> 00:42:21.719
<v Speaker 2>remain changed Again. I'm different than before. I'm worse off.

817
00:42:21.840 --> 00:42:26.679
<v Speaker 2>I saw a gleeful male dolphin pushing a beheaded fish

818
00:42:27.159 --> 00:42:30.599
<v Speaker 2>up against aquarium glass and making love to it. Flesh

819
00:42:30.679 --> 00:42:33.760
<v Speaker 2>lights not supposed to be made of actual flesh, let

820
00:42:33.800 --> 00:42:36.440
<v Speaker 2>alone dead fish. None of us are here to judge,

821
00:42:36.519 --> 00:42:38.199
<v Speaker 2>just to gag and to learn.

822
00:42:38.719 --> 00:42:42.360
<v Speaker 3>Look, dolphin penises can. You can use them as a finger,

823
00:42:42.360 --> 00:42:46.039
<v Speaker 3>but they're also innovated in it, just like a human penis.

824
00:42:46.119 --> 00:42:49.079
<v Speaker 3>Rubbing on it feels good, So okay, they rub penises

825
00:42:49.079 --> 00:42:51.599
<v Speaker 3>on stuff. That makes sense. It turns out that dolphin

826
00:42:51.679 --> 00:42:55.239
<v Speaker 3>vaginas have like a giant clitorist right at the opening. Right,

827
00:42:55.320 --> 00:42:58.599
<v Speaker 3>This is relatively for some reason, ge I can't imagine

828
00:42:58.599 --> 00:43:01.440
<v Speaker 3>why they didn't spend looking, you know, as much time

829
00:43:01.480 --> 00:43:03.960
<v Speaker 3>looking at vaginas as they did penis. Is that took

830
00:43:04.039 --> 00:43:06.559
<v Speaker 3>a female research to be like, oh yeah, that giant

831
00:43:06.599 --> 00:43:10.440
<v Speaker 3>like doub a battery size flesh tube that's a glitteris yo.

832
00:43:10.880 --> 00:43:13.800
<v Speaker 3>So they're very sensitive, just like human and so like, yeah,

833
00:43:13.800 --> 00:43:16.480
<v Speaker 3>so females rub on stuff too, because you know what,

834
00:43:16.760 --> 00:43:19.199
<v Speaker 3>that's what sex parts are for in animals.

835
00:43:19.599 --> 00:43:23.480
<v Speaker 2>Oh god, thank god someone said it. That is wonderful.

836
00:43:23.519 --> 00:43:26.280
<v Speaker 2>And again it makes me happy for the dolphins. I

837
00:43:26.320 --> 00:43:30.320
<v Speaker 2>am rooting for dolphins more than I thought I would.

838
00:43:30.960 --> 00:43:32.880
<v Speaker 2>I thought this was going to be similar to the

839
00:43:32.920 --> 00:43:35.760
<v Speaker 2>Otter episode, and I was going to look at dolphins

840
00:43:35.800 --> 00:43:39.159
<v Speaker 2>with a certain amount of distrust. But on that note,

841
00:43:39.280 --> 00:43:41.320
<v Speaker 2>so many people I will list them in an aside

842
00:43:41.440 --> 00:43:43.679
<v Speaker 2>bear with me and imagine how excited you'd be to

843
00:43:43.719 --> 00:43:46.239
<v Speaker 2>hear your name. But Rachel Gardner, r M, Rachel Kendrick,

844
00:43:46.239 --> 00:43:48.559
<v Speaker 2>timoth Wang do you take into poetry? Ali Vessells, Marissa

845
00:43:48.559 --> 00:43:52.519
<v Speaker 2>emmant Wald, Kendall Hargustelia Zeleski, Kelly Brockington, and Kate Sometimes

846
00:43:52.559 --> 00:43:55.119
<v Speaker 2>Mary have the Grapefruit, Hannah Feldman, Delli Dames, Lauren leg

847
00:43:55.199 --> 00:43:58.519
<v Speaker 2>Nanny Olza, Popka thirty four, Lindsay James, Amy, Martin senamnk,

848
00:43:58.599 --> 00:44:03.159
<v Speaker 2>Marissa al Ham, Derek Allen, Jocelyn Alcontera, Garcia, Dan, Allison Bebery,

849
00:44:03.280 --> 00:44:06.239
<v Speaker 2>Rachel m and Mark Hewlett need to know in Ken

850
00:44:06.360 --> 00:44:11.039
<v Speaker 2>Chambers phrasing, are dolphins actually assholes? Or is that just

851
00:44:11.440 --> 00:44:15.199
<v Speaker 2>propaganda started by the Sea Lion Mafia? Also Simpsons watchers

852
00:44:15.400 --> 00:44:18.599
<v Speaker 2>Dominicq McDermott, Teagan Dan and Katie Holtman want to know.

853
00:44:18.840 --> 00:44:22.000
<v Speaker 2>In Natalie Snyder's first time question, asker's words shares my

854
00:44:22.079 --> 00:44:24.760
<v Speaker 2>thoughts and says, I feel very skeptical toward dolphins ever

855
00:44:24.840 --> 00:44:26.719
<v Speaker 2>since I grew up with the Simpsons episode where they

856
00:44:26.760 --> 00:44:29.559
<v Speaker 2>took over the world and had a constant smile. It

857
00:44:29.639 --> 00:44:30.719
<v Speaker 2>makes me not trust them.

858
00:44:30.960 --> 00:44:33.719
<v Speaker 3>Itch begins, the dolphins are upon us?

859
00:44:34.079 --> 00:44:37.719
<v Speaker 2>Are they actually evil? A bunch of people want to know?

860
00:44:38.320 --> 00:44:39.079
<v Speaker 2>Are they assholes?

861
00:44:39.320 --> 00:44:42.639
<v Speaker 3>I think of this as like the nickelback effect, Like, Okay,

862
00:44:42.800 --> 00:44:46.639
<v Speaker 3>you had dolphins that everyone loved in the sixties and seventies,

863
00:44:46.760 --> 00:44:49.800
<v Speaker 3>right then the Internet happened, and as soon as a

864
00:44:49.880 --> 00:44:51.559
<v Speaker 3>lot of people love a thing, you just have this

865
00:44:51.679 --> 00:44:53.599
<v Speaker 3>group that pops up and just hates on them, Like

866
00:44:53.679 --> 00:44:56.079
<v Speaker 3>nickel Beckel. Why do we all hate Nickelback? I don't know.

867
00:44:56.320 --> 00:44:59.639
<v Speaker 3>People just pile on and so you try and find

868
00:44:59.679 --> 00:45:02.639
<v Speaker 3>a couple examples of dolphins doing a mean thing, like ooh,

869
00:45:02.679 --> 00:45:04.920
<v Speaker 3>their smile is creepy, and then you just hate on them.

870
00:45:05.519 --> 00:45:09.400
<v Speaker 3>And so I honestly think it's just a weird like

871
00:45:09.480 --> 00:45:13.320
<v Speaker 3>there's nothing that they're like. Otters hate on otters like that,

872
00:45:13.639 --> 00:45:17.079
<v Speaker 3>what they're doing is terrible. Dolphins don't do anything like that,

873
00:45:17.480 --> 00:45:19.280
<v Speaker 3>and yet really we hate them.

874
00:45:20.159 --> 00:45:22.880
<v Speaker 2>Oh this makes me so happy, And you know, on

875
00:45:23.000 --> 00:45:25.559
<v Speaker 2>that note, Lindsay James Kendall m a bunch of people

876
00:45:25.559 --> 00:45:28.800
<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna list. Nathan Andrew Leaflight, emmett Wald and Katie

877
00:45:28.840 --> 00:45:33.039
<v Speaker 2>Sharp asked the obvious, philosophical and kind of guilty follow up.

878
00:45:33.239 --> 00:45:35.760
<v Speaker 2>Are we anthropomorphizing them too much?

879
00:45:36.199 --> 00:45:39.760
<v Speaker 3>On average? Probably that's generally the case for most animals. Like,

880
00:45:39.800 --> 00:45:41.280
<v Speaker 3>if you're a scientist and you want to know what's

881
00:45:41.320 --> 00:45:44.199
<v Speaker 3>really going on, you don't do that. You know, you're

882
00:45:44.239 --> 00:45:47.840
<v Speaker 3>trying not to anthropomorphize, but in everyday life we can't

883
00:45:47.920 --> 00:45:50.599
<v Speaker 3>help but do it, especially because even though they look

884
00:45:50.679 --> 00:45:55.039
<v Speaker 3>like a big fish, dolphins act like a chimpanzee or

885
00:45:55.079 --> 00:45:58.079
<v Speaker 3>a crow. They act completely different from what a fish does.

886
00:45:58.119 --> 00:46:02.719
<v Speaker 3>They're more human like, and so we therefore start attributing

887
00:46:02.760 --> 00:46:04.880
<v Speaker 3>all the human stuff we can to them. That's totally

888
00:46:04.960 --> 00:46:09.280
<v Speaker 3>normal human way of doing things. So from a scientist perspective, yes,

889
00:46:09.840 --> 00:46:12.760
<v Speaker 3>don't anthropomorphize them too much. It's usually bad for them,

890
00:46:13.280 --> 00:46:15.639
<v Speaker 3>that's usually the way of things. But from an everyday

891
00:46:15.679 --> 00:46:17.000
<v Speaker 3>human perspective, like I get it.

892
00:46:17.280 --> 00:46:20.000
<v Speaker 2>I think it's so interesting because I know that anthropomorphizing

893
00:46:20.840 --> 00:46:23.679
<v Speaker 2>is bad to a degree, but also on the other

894
00:46:23.800 --> 00:46:27.480
<v Speaker 2>end of the spectrum is considering any animal to just

895
00:46:27.559 --> 00:46:31.320
<v Speaker 2>be a thing like a rock that can be treated

896
00:46:31.360 --> 00:46:32.000
<v Speaker 2>willy nilly.

897
00:46:32.360 --> 00:46:33.039
<v Speaker 3>So I don't know.

898
00:46:33.280 --> 00:46:36.280
<v Speaker 2>I don't have any answers. I have only questions here.

899
00:46:36.760 --> 00:46:39.800
<v Speaker 2>But on that note, okay, Nita chen Whin, he's a witch,

900
00:46:40.079 --> 00:46:42.199
<v Speaker 2>and a bunch of folks looking at you, friends, Heath

901
00:46:42.239 --> 00:46:46.320
<v Speaker 2>All and Ali, Paul Bojarvis, Patricia Evans, Abby Greeb, Christy Lison,

902
00:46:46.480 --> 00:46:50.679
<v Speaker 2>Larissa Beckafantassel and AZM want to know, in Nita's words,

903
00:46:51.400 --> 00:46:54.360
<v Speaker 2>what is the most ecologically friendly way to observe dolphins

904
00:46:54.440 --> 00:46:58.159
<v Speaker 2>without disrupting their habitat? And is it ethical to swim

905
00:46:58.519 --> 00:47:01.960
<v Speaker 2>with a dolphin in a Swim with Dolph package complicated

906
00:47:02.079 --> 00:47:02.800
<v Speaker 2>questions those.

907
00:47:03.880 --> 00:47:06.679
<v Speaker 3>Yes. The problem is when you have like a dolphin

908
00:47:06.760 --> 00:47:09.199
<v Speaker 3>watching industry, if it's not tightly regulated, you have a

909
00:47:09.239 --> 00:47:12.039
<v Speaker 3>lot of boats hanging around a local group of dolphins,

910
00:47:12.239 --> 00:47:14.360
<v Speaker 3>and that's generally bad for them. They get hit by

911
00:47:15.039 --> 00:47:17.440
<v Speaker 3>rotating blades or they you know, they can't get their food.

912
00:47:18.000 --> 00:47:21.400
<v Speaker 3>So generally, if there were no humans looking at dolphins,

913
00:47:21.440 --> 00:47:23.800
<v Speaker 3>that'd be good. If you are just on a boat

914
00:47:23.840 --> 00:47:26.119
<v Speaker 3>by yourself and dolphins come up to you, great, love it.

915
00:47:26.239 --> 00:47:27.800
<v Speaker 3>That's awesome. You can even try getting in the water

916
00:47:27.840 --> 00:47:30.239
<v Speaker 3>see what happens. It's not a problem. But if you're

917
00:47:30.400 --> 00:47:32.360
<v Speaker 3>in one of these like scenarios where there's like thirty

918
00:47:32.440 --> 00:47:34.280
<v Speaker 3>boats and they're all going to see the dolphins, that

919
00:47:34.679 --> 00:47:36.719
<v Speaker 3>you might want to be like, Okay, I don't want

920
00:47:36.719 --> 00:47:40.440
<v Speaker 3>to be involved in that. Swim with Dolphin programs are

921
00:47:40.679 --> 00:47:42.400
<v Speaker 3>all over the map in terms of whether not they're

922
00:47:42.400 --> 00:47:44.280
<v Speaker 3>good or bad. Sometimes you have a facility that's not

923
00:47:44.320 --> 00:47:47.320
<v Speaker 3>accredited and it's just like some random guys like I'm

924
00:47:47.360 --> 00:47:49.440
<v Speaker 3>going to go get some dolphins and throw them in

925
00:47:49.519 --> 00:47:52.480
<v Speaker 3>my pool and then get charge people. That's not great.

926
00:47:52.960 --> 00:47:55.119
<v Speaker 3>Other facilities are quite nice and they take care of

927
00:47:55.159 --> 00:47:57.199
<v Speaker 3>their dolphins, and they're very concerned. But that is a

928
00:47:57.280 --> 00:48:00.639
<v Speaker 3>personal decision about how you feel about captivity, and the

929
00:48:00.760 --> 00:48:03.840
<v Speaker 3>science will tell you if you go looking, it's either

930
00:48:04.639 --> 00:48:07.199
<v Speaker 3>the dolphins are suffering or the dolphins are fine. So

931
00:48:07.639 --> 00:48:11.079
<v Speaker 3>cherry pick whatever you want, whatever you think, but definitely

932
00:48:11.119 --> 00:48:12.559
<v Speaker 3>do some research and think about it.

933
00:48:12.800 --> 00:48:15.559
<v Speaker 2>So it's really a personal choice. But we have presented

934
00:48:15.840 --> 00:48:18.000
<v Speaker 2>a bunch of info that might make you see a

935
00:48:18.039 --> 00:48:21.119
<v Speaker 2>swimming with Dolphins encounter in a new light. And according

936
00:48:21.159 --> 00:48:24.880
<v Speaker 2>to the Dolphin Project, a number of aquariums and Swim

937
00:48:24.960 --> 00:48:28.880
<v Speaker 2>with Dolphins programs around the world purchase live dolphins caught

938
00:48:29.159 --> 00:48:31.760
<v Speaker 2>in bloody drive hunts like those seen in the cove.

939
00:48:32.079 --> 00:48:35.559
<v Speaker 2>And remember the Marine Mammal Protection Act forbids folks from

940
00:48:35.599 --> 00:48:38.800
<v Speaker 2>getting too close anyway. But as myself, as a resident

941
00:48:38.840 --> 00:48:41.800
<v Speaker 2>of southern California, I have seen so many dolphin pods

942
00:48:42.239 --> 00:48:46.480
<v Speaker 2>splashing and spinning off shore, and that was plenty close

943
00:48:46.599 --> 00:48:49.719
<v Speaker 2>to make my heart just leap along with them from afar.

944
00:48:50.199 --> 00:48:52.719
<v Speaker 2>Anytime you can see a dolphin, it's fine. You don't

945
00:48:52.760 --> 00:48:57.519
<v Speaker 2>have to actually smell the dolphin. Now, speaking of humanity's encroachment,

946
00:48:57.880 --> 00:49:00.760
<v Speaker 2>some of y'all wanted a status check on dolphin in general,

947
00:49:01.000 --> 00:49:04.679
<v Speaker 2>such as Shannon O. Grady, Crystal Wilson, Matt Sicado, Char Harrison,

948
00:49:04.760 --> 00:49:09.280
<v Speaker 2>Jessica Durant, Alexander beid Yanna Wisnooski, Frank Kendricks, Lower Rosenbaum,

949
00:49:09.360 --> 00:49:14.039
<v Speaker 2>Logan Dudley, kat Beecklars, Kayla Pilcher and Cheat and Jolly Pandala,

950
00:49:14.079 --> 00:49:16.519
<v Speaker 2>who asked are they all dying? Do we need to

951
00:49:16.599 --> 00:49:18.719
<v Speaker 2>save them? Any dolphins need saving?

952
00:49:19.119 --> 00:49:22.039
<v Speaker 3>There are some species like those river dolphins I was mentioning.

953
00:49:22.039 --> 00:49:24.639
<v Speaker 3>They're usually in trouble because they live next to people,

954
00:49:24.840 --> 00:49:28.239
<v Speaker 3>so yes, they need some help. There's the Vakita that

955
00:49:28.280 --> 00:49:30.360
<v Speaker 3>I think that's a porpoise species. Is only like ten

956
00:49:30.480 --> 00:49:33.679
<v Speaker 3>of them left. That's crazy, like they're probably going extinct.

957
00:49:34.199 --> 00:49:36.760
<v Speaker 3>The Baiji, which was a Chinese river dolphin that has

958
00:49:36.840 --> 00:49:40.760
<v Speaker 3>gone extinct. There aren't any other species of oceanic dolphins

959
00:49:40.800 --> 00:49:43.239
<v Speaker 3>that are really in trouble. They're usually doing pretty okay,

960
00:49:43.320 --> 00:49:45.639
<v Speaker 3>but usually the closer species lives to land, the more

961
00:49:45.679 --> 00:49:46.320
<v Speaker 3>it's screwed.

962
00:49:46.519 --> 00:49:48.719
<v Speaker 2>Let's say you're going to dip into some dolphin fiction

963
00:49:48.920 --> 00:49:51.639
<v Speaker 2>or nonfiction. Where do we start? Do we start with

964
00:49:51.679 --> 00:49:55.119
<v Speaker 2>a cove, what's good dolphin material. Never vintage Flipper, I'm

965
00:49:55.159 --> 00:49:55.960
<v Speaker 2>sure I don't.

966
00:49:56.320 --> 00:49:58.199
<v Speaker 3>I never was a Flipper fan. I like, you know,

967
00:49:58.360 --> 00:50:00.679
<v Speaker 3>I'm a nerd, right, so I like the sea dolphin,

968
00:50:00.760 --> 00:50:03.599
<v Speaker 3>the Darwin ridiculous or the Johnny Nuemonic. Remember when they

969
00:50:03.639 --> 00:50:18.639
<v Speaker 3>had that crazy dolphin Jones. It's a fish, it's a mammal.

970
00:50:20.920 --> 00:50:23.719
<v Speaker 3>But like there, I swear there are no good depictions

971
00:50:23.760 --> 00:50:27.679
<v Speaker 3>of dolphins on film in a fiction universe, like forget it,

972
00:50:27.920 --> 00:50:30.840
<v Speaker 3>just don't bother. I don't know. There are lots of

973
00:50:30.920 --> 00:50:33.559
<v Speaker 3>great documentaries about dolphins, so just start looking around for

974
00:50:33.679 --> 00:50:36.400
<v Speaker 3>BBC stuff or whatever. The cove is just going to

975
00:50:36.440 --> 00:50:38.440
<v Speaker 3>make you very sad. It's important to know about it,

976
00:50:38.519 --> 00:50:40.920
<v Speaker 3>but like it's not light. I don't have any recommendation

977
00:50:41.119 --> 00:50:45.039
<v Speaker 3>read a nonfiction book, like read a science book about dolphins.

978
00:50:45.079 --> 00:50:47.320
<v Speaker 2>There's lots of for example, yours.

979
00:50:47.760 --> 00:50:49.880
<v Speaker 3>I'm not the problem my book. I feel bad.

980
00:50:50.039 --> 00:50:52.719
<v Speaker 2>I am oh no, I am again linked right in

981
00:50:52.760 --> 00:50:55.599
<v Speaker 2>the show notes or available wherever you get books. Are

982
00:50:55.639 --> 00:50:58.880
<v Speaker 2>Dolphins Really Smart? The Mammal Behind the Myth? And twenty

983
00:50:58.920 --> 00:51:01.960
<v Speaker 2>two fantastical facts about dolphins, Plus his brand new book

984
00:51:02.000 --> 00:51:05.159
<v Speaker 2>If Nietzsche Were in Our Wall? What Animal Intelligence Reveals

985
00:51:05.199 --> 00:51:09.079
<v Speaker 2>about human stupidity. More of doctor Justin Gregg's wit and

986
00:51:09.239 --> 00:51:12.360
<v Speaker 2>wisdom for your amusement, linked in the show notes. I

987
00:51:12.440 --> 00:51:15.760
<v Speaker 2>think you landed on the right career for yourself. I

988
00:51:15.840 --> 00:51:18.559
<v Speaker 2>can't imagine dolphins having a better spokesperson.

989
00:51:19.039 --> 00:51:21.239
<v Speaker 3>Thanks. I hope I'm helping them.

990
00:51:22.800 --> 00:51:26.679
<v Speaker 2>You're like a great press secretary for dolphins, just like

991
00:51:26.840 --> 00:51:27.840
<v Speaker 2>fielding flame plan.

992
00:51:28.079 --> 00:51:30.599
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, they pay me in fish and eels. It's I'll

993
00:51:30.679 --> 00:51:32.719
<v Speaker 3>take whatever they want to send my way. I'll take it.

994
00:51:32.800 --> 00:51:35.840
<v Speaker 2>A little little flipper tap here and there. Good job.

995
00:51:36.079 --> 00:51:39.280
<v Speaker 3>Listen. I've still never been like affectionately gently touched by

996
00:51:39.360 --> 00:51:41.599
<v Speaker 3>a dolphin that would That's all I need to make

997
00:51:41.679 --> 00:51:47.000
<v Speaker 3>my life, so please, somebody just pectoral fin rub me wherever, a.

998
00:51:47.000 --> 00:51:48.320
<v Speaker 2>Little tidy pat on the back.

999
00:51:48.360 --> 00:51:51.079
<v Speaker 3>It's a little tiny pat, yeah, with a flipper, though

1000
00:51:51.159 --> 00:51:52.880
<v Speaker 3>not with a penis. I just want to be clear

1001
00:51:52.920 --> 00:51:58.039
<v Speaker 3>about that. Boundaries, boundaries, that's all right.

1002
00:51:59.320 --> 00:52:02.960
<v Speaker 2>So ask aquatic experts awkward questions because look at all

1003
00:52:03.039 --> 00:52:05.719
<v Speaker 2>that you've just learned. And follow Justin Gregg on TikTok

1004
00:52:05.760 --> 00:52:08.480
<v Speaker 2>and Twitter and everywhere. The links are in the show notes.

1005
00:52:08.679 --> 00:52:10.920
<v Speaker 2>We love him. Also, he has chickens, so if you

1006
00:52:10.960 --> 00:52:12.760
<v Speaker 2>listen to the two parter are on chickens. It's going

1007
00:52:12.840 --> 00:52:15.920
<v Speaker 2>to be a real vendiagram of interest here and his

1008
00:52:16.079 --> 00:52:18.639
<v Speaker 2>books are obviously linked in the show notes. He's as

1009
00:52:18.719 --> 00:52:21.280
<v Speaker 2>wonderful a writer as he is a guest, and we

1010
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<v Speaker 2>are at ologies on Twitter, on Instagram. I'm at Ali

1011
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<v Speaker 2>Ward with one L on both. I'm at TikTok at

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<v Speaker 2>Ali underscore Ologies. I'm trying, y'all, I'm trying. Smologies are shorter,

1013
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1014
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<v Speaker 2>Thank you Zee Credriguez, Thomas and Mercedes Maitland for working

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<v Speaker 2>make yours too. Nick Thorburn made the theme music. Assistant

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<v Speaker 2>editors are the wonderful Mark David Christensen and Jarrett Sleeper,

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<v Speaker 2>and our lead editor is recent COVID survivor, thankfully Mercedes

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<v Speaker 2>Maitland of Maitland Audio. And if you stick around at

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<v Speaker 2>the end of the episode, I'm going to tell you

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<v Speaker 2>a secret, and this week the secret is weird. Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>So I got stranded in Texas. I was coming back

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<v Speaker 2>from Hantsville, Alabama, and we had an emergency landing over Waco,

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<v Speaker 2>Texas because of a Bonker's lightning storm that came out

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<v Speaker 2>of nowhere. So anyway, I was on planes forever. Turned

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<v Speaker 2>out couldn't get a flight out. I had to stay

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<v Speaker 2>in Dallas for two days technically Grapevine, Texas, which has

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<v Speaker 2>a convention center called the Gaylord, which is kind of

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<v Speaker 2>like Disneyland and Vegas all in the biodome. It was

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<v Speaker 2>a site to behold. Anyway, I was stranded there this

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<v Speaker 2>week for a couple of days, and so I just

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<v Speaker 2>kind of bummed around waiting for a flight that I

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<v Speaker 2>could catch. And there was a guy who was a

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<v Speaker 2>notary who came down next to me. I was just

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<v Speaker 2>like working in the lobby writing researching dolphin masturbation, as

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<v Speaker 2>one does. And this guy sent down next to me,

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<v Speaker 2>an older gentleman, and he appeared to be a notary.

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<v Speaker 2>And then another guy met him and they started to

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<v Speaker 2>sign some paperwork, and the guy who met up with

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<v Speaker 2>him was like a younger guy. He looked sad or defeated,

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<v Speaker 2>and I started to get really sad that maybe this

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<v Speaker 2>guy was signing divorce papers at Vegas, like hotel in Texas,

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<v Speaker 2>and I was like, oh, man, I hope this is

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<v Speaker 2>a good thing he's signing. Anyway, what did I do?

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<v Speaker 2>I looked at the name time he was wearing because

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<v Speaker 2>he was at a conference, and then I looked him

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<v Speaker 2>up and I was very happy to see that. No,

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<v Speaker 2>he's got a wife and a baby on the way,

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<v Speaker 2>and I think he just flips houses, which is sad

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<v Speaker 2>and it problematic maybe in its own I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>how he does his business, but I was like, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>this guy was probably just jetlaged or something. So anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>that's me being a creep. And I don't know. I

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<v Speaker 2>was like, I need to make sure this stranger isn't

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<v Speaker 2>going through something. I don't know what I would have done.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't even have like a granola bar I could

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<v Speaker 2>have offered him anyway. All's well, that ends well. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>back home. In all, I had twenty two flight delays,

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<v Speaker 2>two emergency landings, and three extra days in Texas. And

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<v Speaker 2>then I came home and I slept face first on

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<v Speaker 2>the catch for a couple of days. Okay, by bye.

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