Speaker 1: What is up, fellas Echo's I am Dan for Valley
coming at you with another twenty twenty four twenty twenty
five NBA season look Ahead. We are on to the
Golden State Warriors, and I'm thrilled to have bagged the
guests that has been very difficult to get in the past.
First time guests coming on for the look aheads, so
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excited to have this discussion. First time look Ahead guest.
We're going to talk about the Golden State Warriors. They've
covered this team specifically for years and years and years,
and I'm excited to interrogate them for the next forty
five to sixty plus minutes. So let's get to it.
Mister Grant Hues. Welcome to your debut as a NBA
season look ahead guest. I'm a little bit nervous because
I've never interviewed you before in the chemistry can always
be a little off for the first time collabse on
these look aheads. But I'm confident that we'll be able
to establish some type of a dynamic, even though this
is foreign. And so I just begin, sir, how are
you doing?
Speaker 2: I thought it was weird that you sent I assume
hired thugs to my door and for and they, you know,
barged in and forced me into this situation, you know,
locked the office door and and you know, politely set
up all my podcast equipment.
Speaker 3: I'm here under duress. I don't feel safe.
Speaker 2: I'm no how disappointed is everybody after that intro where
it's just like, who's it gonna be?
Speaker 3: Who did he get? Is Mike Dunley Bey gonna do
the Warriors preview? Does that?
Speaker 2: What? Know? Me?
Speaker 1: If you get players or executives, for the most part,
those tend to be like the least insightful discussions because
they're just not giving you anything. Like the stuff that's
worth talking about has always talked about off air, So
everyone should be thrilled that you're doing this because you've
never done it before. But we know that you follow
the Golden State Warriors, like pretty intimately, I would assume.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, right, I feel like me, I don't know,
I feel like I've done this before, but it might
not have been for the Warriors. It might have been
like somebody dropped out and I did want to, like
for I don't know what seemed the magic or something
years ago.
Speaker 1: Really you're like, I don't know what it says about
our hosts, like co hosting dynamic that I've been begging
you to do this podcast. Right after that, you're just like, no,
I'm not gonna do the Warriors. You need anyone with
the hornets where you get bad.
Speaker 3: It's got a lot of hornets thoughts.
Speaker 1: So I am excited to get into this team with you,
and we don't really have to go over their offseason
stuff because you and I have talked a bunch about
their offseason stuff. So I'm gonna begin with a super
in depth question that I hope doesn't fly over the
heads of people who might be more casual fans. I
know we can get lost in the x's and O
is Grant, what's the single biggest storyline you're going to
be tracking for the team this season?
Speaker 3: I mean, isn't that a hard question? Though?
Speaker 2: Like so my the one I've kind of trotted out
a lot and we've talked about is the emergence of,
or potential lack of, like a second star guy to
lighten the load on Steph as Ganners is age thirty
six season and just looking at the roster, actually I
should I should couch this in having watched the preseason,
there are a lot of takeaways I think that are
interesting and kind of change a lot of what I
thought prior to the preseason. That's a stupid position to
take because the preseason doesn't matter, but the team is
pretty different. I still think though, sort of the you
can't not say it's this angle is who's going to
be that guy? And it's like, well, because Clay, no,
Clay really wasn't last year and he's gone obviously, But
it's like, you know, and you're never going to get
a Durant caliber second guy again, because that's just you know,
just a total you know, all the planets aligned for
that one.
Speaker 3: But someone to someone.
Speaker 2: Who emerges, whether that's a young guy that takes a
step forward, or someone that they may try to trade for,
and we can talk about how close or not close
some of those efforts were.
Speaker 3: But I think that's it.
Speaker 2: I think that's it, and it does that angle does
kind of bleed into some other ones that are interesting
to me that we can discuss. But I just feel
like you can't pretend like it's something other than that.
You could say like Steph Curry's health, but it's like, well,
then that's true of the best player on every team
you're going to do a lookhead.
Speaker 1: For and he's not on the Joell and Bead level anymore,
where it's that's the day to day storyline. So it's
no different.
Speaker 2: It's more like, I mean there is, it is a
little different. I guess in that like age thirty six
season for a guard is like the expectations should be
like massive drop off.
Speaker 3: The fact that it's been.
Speaker 2: Really gradual over the last three to five years is
you know that that can't be the like the focal point.
And if it is, it's like a short conversation because
it's like, well, he'll either get a little bit worse
or a lot worse, and then that's Okay, so then
what like that's not really you know that that I
guess underscores the importance of somebody else emerging as like
a high usage you know, shot creator, playmaker, scorer.
Speaker 1: I don't know if this would be like the actual
biggest storyline, but this player does feel like he will
shape what is going to be the biggest storyline or
how they approach the season. That is Jonathan Kaminga and
much of the preseason, the lead like trading camp, the
lead up to the regular season, has been spent just
everyone openly wondering or oplying about which position he needs
to play? Is it the three or the four? Can
he play the three on this team? Should they have
had a stretch big on this team if they wanted
him to play the three? Where do you sort of
land on that entire overarching discussion.
Speaker 3: Specifically like what position he should play?
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I mean, or what position? I mean in event,
let's say there is a stretch big on this team,
do you think that he can then play the three?
Or do you view him more strictly as a four?
Speaker 2: So personally, I don't I know that that distinction has
been drawn really clearly, like cominga thinks he's a three.
I think he's basically said that explicitly. Maybe the Warriors
think he's a four. That has definitely been said explicitly,
and the lineup, the data from last year, it's like
over ninety percent of his minutes where he was designated
as the four, So there is a disconnect there. In
my opinion, I don't think it matters that much. I
think the three in the four are kind of like whatever. Now,
it's different on this team because whether Draymond Green is
the four or the five makes a huge difference and
sort of how the lineups look. So if Draymond is
the four and you're playing him with a center, then yeah,
kaming is a three.
Speaker 3: I just think like.
Speaker 2: His his skill set kind of works either way, and
like the things he's good at and not good at
don't really change depending on which of the forward positions
he's occupying. To me, I think the reason that question
is interesting and kind of tricky to figure out is
what it means for the rest of the lineup, which
is kind of what you're getting at. I think, so,
like I guess my answer would be if if kaminga
is going to shoot ash with as little hesitation from three,
as he has in the preseason, especially on just catch
and shoot stuff, then I think you get you can
It's a lot easier for me to imagine getting away
with him as a three without a stretch center, just
because that you know, it's like, oh, we need to
accommodate him with spacing at other positions to make that work.
It's like, well, if he's providing the spacing by being
like a pretty high volume threat on the catch, then
I think that gates some of that issue. So, like,
I know, it's almost too hard to talk about it
in terms of just like what position is he or
what should he play, because you have to just rejigger
so many different things in the rest of the lineup potentially,
and then ultimately again it may not matter because if
he's gonna shoot a bunch of threes, then I think
that just opens up your options a little bit more,
which I think, as we'll talk about that is almost
a problem with this roster because there are too many options.
There's too many guys that need to play or that
should play, and it just makes all the lineup decisions hard.
Speaker 1: And I know he's been getting him up in the
preseason he's been hitting them. I'd just be curious if
he's taking them, how long does it take for defenses
to change the way that they're gonna guard him, Because
even if he's shooting let's say forty five percent on
three to four catch and shoot three point attempts per game, Okay,
if that's not getting defenses to come out to him,
that makes life harder on everybody else, which I guess
gets into the Draymond Green and are they playing him
with tjd or Kavan Luniar? It doesn't really matter to
me as of right now. I guess I'll phrase it
this way. When I look at this roster, it feels
like the best way to optimize it in general with
what COMINGA does and doesn't do versus the personnel that
they have, would be that Draymond at the five has
to become more of a staple, which is something I
know Draymond doesn't like. I know the Warriors haven't liked it,
and I understand especially now as he gets older and
kind of the riggers that are associated with it. So
I'm just curious as like, is that is that what's
gonna become a potential default or we saw them. I
think it was on was it Wednesday night? They rolled
out the jumbo lineup? Didn't they have? Wiggins was basically
the two, with Cominga starting at the three. It's like,
you see, I guess you see a pathway to this
setup working where I don't need to get caught up
in the positions of it all, but you see a
pathway to them being able to play cominga Draymond and
a big And then if you do see that, do
you actually see okay, can you also add Andrew Wiggins
plausibly into that fold?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: I think that's the reason they tried that. Look the
other night, you know they've done There have been different
starting lineups and different rotations in each preseason game so far,
and that is just because the coaches have is trying
to figure out, like what do we do with all
these guys that need to saw?
Speaker 1: Do you get mad at all about that? Where they're
change I've seen a lot of fans get annoyed by
like the lineups that are being run out there, And
I guess if this spills into the season and it's
not working, okay, sure, but if you're not going to
try it now, would you prefer that they try it
when the games matter, I will not mad at all.
Speaker 2: I think I think it's the only way. It's the
most logical way to approach the preseason because like they
just don't know, they can't know.
Speaker 3: They added three guys.
Speaker 2: That are theoretically rotation players. They've got all these young guys,
not all, they've got several young guys that you know,
need to get looks. And so it's just like it
would be weirder to me if they had gone with
the starting five for all of the same one for
all the preseason games and just like decided that that
was the look, because I don't think they know that yet.
Speaker 3: So the small ball thing.
Speaker 2: With Draymond at center, you know, if you'd ask me
a month ago and I wrote about this, and I
think we probably talked about it, like that makes the
most sense to me. Whether he likes it or not,
whether the Warriors are comfortable using it as like a
first option as opposed to a, oh shit, we're down
two to one in a playoff series. We gotta you know,
go to the death lineup or whatever, just because that's
how you get Kaminga and Wiggins on the floor together.
That's how you get more athletic. That and their best
two best high usage lineups last year were involving Green
at center and Kaminga and Wiggins. The difference was is
that Pajemski Orklay Thompson at the two and Steph obviously
is the one. So like, those were their best lineups
in terms of units that played over three hundred possessions,
which like that's not a lot, but that's the biggest
samples they had of any five man units. So I
was on board with That's that's the way you go.
You got to start the season that way because your
margin for ara is smaller, your your superstar.
Speaker 3: Talent is diminished. You can't like hold it in reserve.
Speaker 2: You. You know, if you want to make the playoffs,
you're gonna need to start with your best weapons. Now though,
because of the style they're apparently going to play, which
is shoot a billion threes and move the ball a ton,
I think you could get away with more quote unquote
conventional looks. Where Draymond is a four and it's probably
Jackson Davis at the five, I would guess over Cavon
Looney just because I just think Jackson Davis brings more
athleticism shop blocking like that kind of stuff, more dynamic play,
and Looney can handle being benched, I think more so than.
Speaker 3: A lot of the other guys.
Speaker 2: But I'm more open to, Okay, maybe we do have
like a real center out there and just see if
we get enough shooting from guys that we probably in
the past would not have counted on getting enough shooting from.
Speaker 1: I do think most people are going to focus on
coming the shooting as kind of the arena where they
want to see him improve the most or will track
most closely. What's another area of his development though, that
you're going to be monitoring this season.
Speaker 2: Defensive awareness. That that has stood out immediately to me
the preseason.
Speaker 3: It's been an issue all along where you know he'll.
Speaker 2: Lose It's all the basics, like he'll lose track of
his guy, he'll give up open threes at the wrong times,
he won't rotate over. There are just long stretches where
he's not mentally engaged to the level that he would
need to be on defense, and I think that's why
they like to use him against more dangerous on ball threats,
because it allows him to just be focused on more
of a singular task as opposed to processing all the
other stuff that's going on where're in help position. But
that's a that's a big one because with a guy
like him who can just the way he moves is
you know, he's an A plus athlete even among NBA players.
Speaker 3: I've said, you know, it's it's obvious for.
Speaker 2: Him to be a liability a lot of the time
on defense is kind of inexcusable because it is focus.
It is like just understanding what the scheme is and
like who you can and can't leave, and like that
kind of stuff. So the shooting, honestly, as a catch
and shoot guy, I think he's gonna be fine. Like
it's I don't know if you're going to get a
lot of pull up threes, but I don't know that.
Speaker 3: You need those.
Speaker 2: It's really now to me, the defense is the biggest
part of it because it's just not as good as
it should be.
Speaker 3: I think, in my opinion, I think I'm.
Speaker 1: Curious to see what if his driving game can evolve
to maybe include more facilitation out of it to where
we know he's not the most adept passer. But when
you're talking about kind of kicking or like just these
dump offs, when you're on the move. Yeah, they could
be harder. But the way that he handled the ball
on draws for a lot of last year I thought
was a lot better. When you go back to like
even the previous seasons, the handlefelt tighter, crisper. Do you
see that level of decision making in him? And then
also how much is that then potentially impacted by this
base think that's that's around him in the front court
you're running.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know that he's I would be really
surprised if he was ever, you know, the doing a
guy that in running a pick and roll on the
strong side would make the like one arm sling pass
to the weak side corner, like the Luca pass, Like
that's just I don't see that for him. I do
think he's sort of gonna be and has shown signs
that he already is like more of a serviceable single
read passer where it's like he gets downhill, the help comes,
he don't he lays it down or he dumps it
off to the center for a dunk, Like he can
make that pass and he can I think make like
the one read to the strong side corner if the
help comes off of there. Beyond that I think. I
think he's I'd be surprised if he became like a
high level passer. And I think part of that too
is just like the guy can just finish everything, So
I think he's more wired to just be like I
would just love to get some contact here and try
to finish or I want to try to dunk this
like that, which is probably okay because that plays much
more to his strengths. I think he should be hyper aggressive,
like trying to seek contact when he's driving.
Speaker 1: We don't need to spend too much time on this
because it could be dated by the time the podcast
even comes out. Do you see him getting an extension
by the deadline? And if he doesn't, like how not controversial,
but how much of a fact like that potentially becomes
a distraction where you're talking talking about Yeah, restricted free
agency teams have all the control, but I would think
if he doesn't get an extension, a lot of people
are going to read it as the Warriors don't necessarily
have all this long term faith in him. Could he
be someone who becomes available in trade talks?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean this is when we can just discuss
because it's pure speculation at this point, like I don't
have any inside information. I think the fact that it
hasn't happened yet and we're recording this, what four days
before the deadline for him to sign it suggests to
me that it's probably not going to happen. And I
think that's I can understand it, because you can under
you can you can understand why he thinks it's like
Max are close to it because of like just the
position I play, my physical tools, my youth, the production
I've had to this point, and you can understand why
the Warriors are like prove it because he just you know,
the way that they've used him so far.
Speaker 3: It's been in and out of the starting lineup.
Speaker 2: It just just last year it took like a mini
crisis for him to get a starting job. So I
would say that they don't have total faith in him, uh,
And I think that's somewhat justified. So I would actually
be more more optimistic about someone like Moses Moody getting
his extension done because it's obviously going to be for
a much lower number and like the risk for him
of going to free agency if he has another year
where he just doesn't play a lot like that Payday
might not be all that big, and he might want
a bunch of guaranteed money or you know, mid levelish money.
I think was the report was what's being discussed. I'm
giving Moses Moody a mid level, you know, neighborhood extension
if I can do it right now. The question is
does he think his market value will be higher going forward?
Speaker 1: I don't know, Moses Moody. Let's go there, because you
mentioned him. What's this guy got to do to be
a part of the rotation and what is it? What
am I missing? I'm not saying. He comes on the
floor and I think he's one of their two best
players all the time. But every time I watch Moses Moody,
I come away thinking, well, he clearly belongs in this rotation.
This isn't I'll point out other bodies who you could
take away minutes from too. What is like why? Like
why are we here? And like what's the pathway to
him getting a more sizable role on this team, especially
now that they've added you know, Kyle Anderson. Yes, he's
more of a big damn he Melton, more of an
undersized wing. Like those are guys, Buddy Healed, They're gonna
eat up perimeter minutes.
Speaker 2: So I mean that's been a huge I mean one
of the Kirk I think Steve Kirk gets a lot
of unfair criticism, but and like I don't know that
this is a fair criticism.
Speaker 3: But the way that Moses Moody has been treated.
Speaker 2: Over his career is like it's a lot a lot
of Warriors fans are asking the same questions you are,
but like with a lot more expletives and like much
more vitriol.
Speaker 3: Because they don't get it either.
Speaker 2: My take on it has been Moody has for the
most part been like a jack of all trades, master
of none kind of guy where he has the wing
the you know, the big wing frame, he has the
decent shot, and then he can sort of doesn't take
anything off the table. But there's always like if you
want a certain skill, there's almost always been someone on
the roster that's better at that skill than he is.
So it's like, if you want defensive disruption, Gary Payton
the second when he's healthy, like just does that better.
And if you want shut down wing defense, like Wiggins
has just done that better. And if you want the
we got to get this young prospect minutes to develop,
whether he's earned them or not. Like, well, Kaminga's just
ahead of him in that pecking order because of the
physical tools. The athleticism was drafted a few spots higher.
So it's and then now, like to your point, you
bring in Buddy heel d Anthony Mountain, Kyle Anderson, all
of whom have singular skills that are better, you know,
than whatever it is you might want Moody to do.
I do think the preseason has kind of made it
even less, like, even harder to defend if he doesn't
get a rotation spot, because he's shot it much more quickly.
He's been decisive, he's bigger, he's stronger, he just looks
like a more complete two way wing. So if he
comes off this preseason and is not in the rotation,
it's just like, well, he's done. He's it's never gonna
happen because it just it doesn't it to your point,
it doesn't. It hasn't really made a ton of sense
so far, and it really won't make sense if if
that continues for him.
Speaker 1: Brandon Jamski will not run into the same issue of
getting minutes. I presume let's start here, what stood out
to you most, or surprise you the most, or impress
you the most about his rookie year.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 2: I mean on the positive side for him, I didn't
I didn't have a great sense of like just how
sort of right place, right time he could he was
gonna be on both ends. Led the league in charges
despite like not a huge role for a lot of
the year or charge is drawn.
Speaker 3: I should specify.
Speaker 2: Just is a great connective passer, Like just a lot
of the like glue guy cliches really apply to him.
Uh Oh, I mean the number one thing is just
how good of a rebounder he is, Like he's just
he's like a really good rebounding NBA player, Like and
if you say, if you want to confine it to guards,
like he's great.
Speaker 3: He's a great.
Speaker 2: Rebounder at his position. And it's not like he's out
jumping guys. He just like has a nose for the
ball and like makes it a priority. So that's probably
the most surprising thing of his I just didn't imagine
a guy with his physical profile would rebound as well
as he does.
Speaker 1: What is the next arena for him to cut when
you're just looking at year two.
Speaker 2: So this is maybe the easiest answer of anything we're
going to talk about, and it's just he has got
to be able to create his own shot in a
way that forces defenses to play him honestly, because he
doesn't create separation very well. He doesn't jump over guys,
he doesn't blow by guys, he doesn't elevate in the lane.
So last year he shot a bunch of hooks and
they just didn't go in and weird floaters, and my
suspicion is defenses will just play him to pass. It'll
be like a Ricky Rubio thing where it's like he
gets into the lane and you're like, awesome, my dare you,
you know, try to score. And if Pajemski does not
develop the ability to score like a little bit on
his own, whether that's a pull up three, whether that's
a refined floater game, then then you really do get
the cap on his ceiling that I think a lot
of people still see. If he can do that, then
it really sort of supercharges all the other stuff he's
great at, which is just constant movement, quick passing, good
vision maps the court really well, like all that stuff
just sort of gets, you know, turned up a couple
notches on the dial. If defenses are actually afraid that
he can score, like in isolation or against a contest
like that kind of thing, that's a huge pivot point
for him and really for the Warriors offense this season.
Speaker 1: I think, do you think just because looking I guess
they can go to slow mo behind Steph if they
want to, not say Solomo's the point guard, but without
Chris Paul there, do you think he can take on
some more of the because Pod seems like someone who
thrives in chaos, whether he creates it, he's just kind of,
you know, assuming a role into it. Can he run
more of a methodical more than methodical offensive sets against
let's say, set defenses in the half court?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I think that's another I'd put that
behind the shot creation, and it all sort of is
tied to it, because like what you're asking is like,
can he be the guy that's initiating pick and rolls
with whatever, you know, like doing conventional point guard stuff.
And I think his ability to threaten the defense as
a scorer on the ball is very much tied to
like the level of success he's going to have in
that role, Like he can get the ball over half court,
He can initiate the offense, he can decide like who
needs you know, all the all that point guard stuff
he can do, I think, and they they will need
him to do that. I think the Anthony Melton has
gotten a lot of minutes at point guard in the preseason.
I think they're open to that. But he's not, you know,
he's not a you know, born and bred, you know,
lead ballhandler either. So I think Pajemski if they, if
the Warriors could right now today say like who do
you want leading second units, it would be Pajemski. And
it's just gonna come down to can he do more
conventional point guardy stuff while also like being the connective guy,
being the sort of guy who I think speeds up
the offense in a good way when he's not actually
the on ball kind of point guard guy. I think
I think that's another big like maybe it happens, maybe
it doesn't pivot point for his game.
Speaker 1: And so we he's just we assume he's gonna continue
to come off the bench.
Speaker 3: Then, So I don't know.
Speaker 2: I think I think when I say lead the second unit,
I think that's you know, he may just be staggered
with with Steph a little bit, and he might start,
and he may also just run the backups when stuff
comes off, or he may run it in tandem with
guys like Melton and Anderson to spread the playmaking out
a little bit.
Speaker 3: To me, that's still very much unsettled. I think the.
Speaker 2: Shooting guard spot could be occupied by any one of
like four different guys, and we're this late in the preseason.
The starting to it could be Pajempski, could be Wiggins
in that jumbo look, probably unlikely. Healed could take it,
Anthony Melton could take it to get like a real
defender out there in the back court next to Steph.
So I think ideally they would hope Pajamski would be
so good that it's like undeniable that he.
Speaker 3: Has to start. I don't I don't know that that's
the case just yet.
Speaker 1: Do you think this is a team that could be
a little bit more fluid with how it approaches, because
it's not really it's not about who starts about who finishes,
but you do set a tone there, do you think,
And this isn't necessarily something they've wanted to do when
they've had their choice in the past, but could you
see them being a little bit more fluid with their
starting lineup choices this year unfortunately.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because I think I think you're right, Like, and
I think Steve Kerr said after the most recent preseason
game that, like you want that starting five to sort
of announce itself and make it pretty obvious, and Wiggins
being sick for most of the preseason has just made
that hard to do because they're not They're like trying
to figure out how to work him in, and like
is he entitled to a starting spot?
Speaker 3: Like do we need him?
Speaker 2: So I think it will almost have to be fluid,
just just because like you can't again, like they just
can't be sure yet they what the best look is
and what that means for the rest of the rotation.
They just it's the more we're talking about it, the
more the biggest issue with this team. Forget like the
I mean, the second star thing is huge, but like
just like who plays, like who deserves to play? It's
just like there's thirteen guys. Lindy Waters has looked good,
Like what are we doing?
Speaker 3: Like I do, and I like to be.
Speaker 2: Fair, I didn't have as strong of an opinion as you,
but I've just flashes in the preseason like oh, yeah,
that guy's an NBA shooter, Like I think you could
justify playing him, uh, you know, not ahead of like
the Moodies of the world, but like I could understand
why it's really difficult right now, just forget the starters,
like the rotator.
Speaker 3: Is it ten deep? Is it thirteen? Like, I don't know.
Speaker 2: I think all these guys have shown enough in the
preseason to say, like it should be a competition, Like
that is how they're looking at it, Like all these
spots are up for grabs other than Steph Spot and
Draymond Spot and nobody's Like it's not clear to me,
I'd put it that way. Yet, who actually warrants real
rotation minutes.
Speaker 3: Over over who? Or who doesn't?
Speaker 2: I guess is the better way? Like who who has
played themselves out of a role? And I don't think
the answer is like nobody to this.
Speaker 1: Point, before we get into some of the new additions
and some overarching play styles here, trace Jackson Davis, your guy,
what stood out to you most or impressed you? Were
surprised you the most? Same question for him as a rookie, I.
Speaker 2: Mean just the fact of where he was drafted in
the Impact he had fifty seventh. I think I never
remember the exact one, but like towards the very end
of the second round, undersized for the first center spot,
but like surprisingly good shop blocker for a sized, good
lob catcher, really like quick off the ground with second
jumps around the basket. No range, you know, nothing like that,
but just like hey.
Speaker 1: On mid range jumpers that year, you put some respect
up that day.
Speaker 2: Sorry, you just can't expect to get a rotation guy
who you're talking about starting potentially in his second year
that late in the draft, Like that's his whole his
his whole existence in the NBA should count as like
a surprise, Right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I was most surprised by And maybe
it's because when I think of his center, I assume
of someone who's not six nine six eight whatever he is,
Although is he one of the ones who might have
grown over the offseason Allegedly they're like, I grew eight
inches over the summer. But the way that he hung
on the perimeter, it's not something that I associate with
centers a lot of the time. But he's like it
wasn't even just the way he like hung, but like
he just flipped his hips, like the way he's able
to change directions on defense so quickly. But yeah, I
mean just as the number fifty seven pick, like you
said that in general.
Speaker 2: Is he's he's a good he's a good NBA athlete.
He's just like if he were two inches well too,
of course too if he were an inch taller, like
from college coming out of college. Like, I don't know
how he is not a first rounder. I do think
everybody was just like he doesn't space and he's a
little undersized for a center. But I mean unless he's not,
you know, you don't need him to be your best player,
like he could just be. He might be your backup
center and that's fine because he has a couple like
real playable skills.
Speaker 1: Is there any area of his development that you'll be
tracking to see if he can improve upon this year?
Speaker 2: I mean, any shooting would be great. I just don't
think that's in the cards. Probably, Like I think I
think the Warriors would be most enthused if he could
prove that he's like a plus defender as a center
over like a larger sample of minutes and more time
against starters, just because like some of the numbers from
last year, and these are small samples, but like opponent
rim frequency, which the Warriors were really good at overall,
Like they just didn't allow a lot of shots at
the rim, and they haven't over the last three years.
I want to say they've been first, I had the
data up just before we started talking in an opponent
rimtim frequency in the last three straight years. But when
Jackson Davis is the five, like opponents get to the
rim all the time, like they shoot a ton, they
should they make it like a league average clip as
opposed to like a blow average one when someone else
is at the five. So like, it's not clear to
me that he can be anything close to an anchor defensively,
So like him without Draymond at the four. Just I
don't know what those numbers are off the top of
my head, but anecdotally I'm not super comfortable with that.
So if he could take a step there, that'd be big.
Speaker 1: Is there? I mean, I guess if you're playing him
with Draymond, it's not as much of a concern. But
the rebounding when he played without Draymond for the team
was not great if I remember correctly, And that might
be part and parce Leve. Okay, while you're playing in
undersized center, is that a potential sore point for this
team in general?
Speaker 2: Well, I mean really like the rebounding has been okay,
as they.
Speaker 1: Were when he plays with Draymond they were the ninety
ninth percentile of defensive rebounding.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know that's the rebounding is not super high
on the list of concerns. Like we could talk about
transition on offense and defense, talk about the turnovers, free
throw rate, all that stuff, real issues, But yeah, I
think it's it's sort of similar the rim protection thing,
Like he's really not a conventionally sized center and he's
not like a monster on the glass if you don't
have help in their for him. And he's not a
shot blocker that's I mean, he can block shots, but
he's not a guy that like plays the two man
the cat and mouse in the pick and roll thing
and with his length can just sort of guard the
lob and the finish from the ball. Like that's just
not gonna be something I don't think that he ever
excels at so that there's a it's like he's hugely surprising,
like pleasant, you know, great, great, story.
Speaker 3: Great useful guy.
Speaker 2: But it's like he's not going to be a you know,
plus starting center for ten years. I don't think like
he just doesn't have the tools or the size for that.
Speaker 1: Does he have more staying power than the Jordan Bell hype?
Speaker 2: Yeah, Jordan Bell, Festus a Zili, Well, actually, fest Man,
there was a time, there was a time where I
felt better with Festus Azili on the floor than Andrew Bogan.
Speaker 3: You know how I feel about Andrew Bogan.
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, I think he's I think he's certainly already
done more than Jordan Bell did to like prove that
he has like he's going to have a long career.
But it's asking a lot. If you're saying, like, be
our center and we'll play you know, any kind of
wing heavy lineup around you want, and we'll be fine.
Speaker 3: I don't know about that.
Speaker 1: Let's get into some of the new guys. The one
that I think I'm most fascinated by, and I don't
think he'll be the one that has the biggest impact.
But Kyle Anderson, how do they use him on this team?
Or they pulling the Kyle Anderson at the five lever
a bunch or what big are you trying to play
him with the most I'm just very intrigued what you
think his role is going to look like on this team.
Speaker 2: It's he of the three, he is by far the
hardest to figure that out with, because like he is
duplicative with Draymond, right, is like the the if he's
spacing front court player, that's a great passer and really
good defender across multiple positions. So it's like, do we
they kur played them both together the other night, just
because he's like, I like the facilitating Well, yeah, that's
you got a four and a five that can really
like pass like guards.
Speaker 3: That's great.
Speaker 2: I just don't know how viable he's gonna be unless
you really have specific lineups that are shooting heavy around
him and you just start using him as a Draymond
like you know, stand in as a facilitator, which like
that's great, Like that's useful.
Speaker 3: It's just hard to.
Speaker 2: And then all the questions you have about well, how
does Draymond fit with Looney or tjd or whoever? Those
all apply to Kyle Anderson. It's the pluses and minuses
are pretty similar. So I guess the only thing you're
certain of is like, well, if and when Draymond gets
suspended for he was chunk of the season, you just
kind of slock Kyle Anderson in there, and he does
a lot of the same stuff, but it is it
is just by contrast, it's so much easier to see
what Buddy Heal should do and what d Anthony Mountain
should do. Anderson is just like I don't know, I
don't know, like what the best use of him is
and like who he should play with other than the
general stuff of like needs shooting. You're gonna be a
little small if he's your center, So you got to
figure that out. Like I'm with you in that, Like
I'm not. It's not clear to me what role he's
gonna play.
Speaker 1: Kind of feels like someone who's just his utility is
going to be actualized. And when a curveball is thrown
into whatever, maybe they make a trade or like you said,
Draymond gets suspended.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think he's He's kind of a good example
of like one of the things I've sort of reevaluated
throughout the preseason for the for the Warriors is like
I think their floor and now the Curry injury, I mean,
the bottom falls out.
Speaker 3: But their floor.
Speaker 2: Otherwise is like quite a bit higher than I thought
it was because of guys like Anderson, where if it's
like you have a couple injuries and it's just well
Anderson has to play thirty five minutes tonight, Like that's okay,
that's better than you know, the Anthony Lamb days or
like you know, whoever else would have occupied you know, Uh,
Dario Sarich after the first like two months last year,
was just like, we can't play this guy, I think,
and with Melton and Healed and some of the younger
guys getting better, like I don't think other than a
Stephan injury or a Knight like on the Nights I
had said that the Knights that Steph doesn't play, the
Warriors are drawing dead. I think they'll have a chance
now just because they're going to have a lot of
NBA rotation caliber players and they're going to shoot a
lot of threes, which maybe you just beat better teams
because you're winning the math game. Like the floor's a
little higher, and Anderson is like indicative of that.
Speaker 1: I think Buddy Healed is that, I mean the way
they want to play in the threes that they want
to get up. He is important. We know he'll come
off the bench at this point. But when you kind
of look at this roster, unless you think that Lindy
Waters is going to play the caps lock shooters in
the rotation are he and Steph and so we do
we just expect them to be heavily staggered. What we
see stretches extended where they're playing together. What's your feel
on that?
Speaker 2: My guess now would be and this is probably should
have been the intuition from the start is that Healed
is going to get a lot of like all you
can eat minutes on the second unit because he's just
wired for that. Like he you know, he wants to
shoot it whenever he touches it, and like, I think,
actually that's probably like what should happen a lot of
the time. I don't like it when he dribbles. Bad
things tend to happen when he like gets so you
got to kind of I think I think he could
have massive value as the guy that is just like
most of your offense is run around against backups. I
think it needs to be a situation where he's not
asked to like create shots, though he can create them.
In that like he's running around like Steph does off
the ball and and you know, bending the defense that way,
and I think like it's it's that's a viable strategy
based on the style they've played with and like what
his sort of preferred way to operate is. So second
unit most likely I don't love I don't love it
with him out there next to Steph, just because defensively,
that's that's tough, and you're gonna have to have a
third ball handler, which probably will shrink your your one
two three rotation a little too much. So I would
guess like high high volume second unit.
Speaker 1: Guy, the anti Meltin feels like he almost might have
the inside track of just being the starting to the
guy next to Steph for what he does defense. Honestly,
if we're honestly, if we're being honest, how about that phrasing,
I would probably just start moody if you're worried about
getting this basing without compromising the defense. But it seems
like he kind of has the inside track on right,
that's how you're gonna round. It's gonna be to me,
it feels like TJD and Draymond and Steph and Comminger
are all locks, and I feel like the Anty Mountain's
gonna end up being like kind of the fifth lock.
Speaker 3: Man I saw.
Speaker 2: Wiggins isn't starting I mean not that, not that I'm
saying that's the wrong choice, Like I think frankly, uh,
there's actually a much bigger topic we can get to,
like me, like on the catch all at the end
of this related to that, remind me if we don't
come back to that.
Speaker 3: But yeah, Moody starting is is fascinating to me.
Speaker 2: I'm almost I would root for that, almost just because
like he's earned it.
Speaker 1: You talk about Buddy Heal. That did make me think
that if you were trying to optimize your Kyle Anderson
minutes and we know he's coming off the bench like
a heeled Moody Anderson like trio and fleshing it out
from there makes so much sense. And then to your
Wiggans point, if you trust that he's he's gonna play
within himself, maybe hit some spot up threes like that's
a cop, like that's a trio, he would make some
sense alongside too, because then you're kind of maximizing your
spacing around slow Mo's ball handling and.
Speaker 2: Say yeah, I mean I didn't answer your question about Melton.
I think I think there's a lot of a lot
of sense in him starting because of the defense, because
of the secondary ball handling sometimes primary ball handling.
Speaker 3: Good enough shooter, willing enough shooter. H But like I
just I don't know.
Speaker 2: I think they really want Pajemsky to have that job,
but Melton, Melton is just it's for him. I think
it's just the back, like he's is the back going
to be healthy? And if it is, like I don't
really know how you keep him off the floor. I
don't know if that means a starting spot necessarily, but
he's probably the most like balanced option. I guess of
the guys you could start at the two, although then
there's Moody too, I don't know, Like I think, I
think he doesn't. Melton doesn't make as much sense as
a backup as a lot of the other guys do,
so maybe it's like a default thing. I'm I'm just
not gonna have answers for like who should start at
the two, because I don't think the Warriors have him yet.
Speaker 1: I also think if you're not if you don't trust
Kaminga's defense just yet, having him out there in the
starting lineup is someone who you could probably he's smaller,
but you're gonna trust him more than Moody. He's more
physical than Moody when it comes to that. Yeah, he
makes more sense than a Kyle Anderson certainly in that
and I think you just at this point you have
to trust him if he's healthy, more than what Andrew
Wiggins has given you the past couple of seasons.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he's disruptive, like he's a high steels guy,
he's a high deflections guy, and that you know, forcing turnover.
The Warriors are just not forced turnovers because they've been
older and slower and not athletic for the last few years.
So Melton definitely changes that dynamic. And so if you're
trying to pick some low hanging fruit, just having a
guy out there that's going to cause some some turnovers
and maybe get you out in transition a little bit.
I think that's a huge that's a huge bonus too.
Speaker 1: Let's keep it with offense for a second. The wars
have talked a lot about they want to get threes up.
They're at over forty three I think per one hundred
posessions during the preseason do you see this three point
mindset holding it? Like, do you buy that this is
their mindset for real when the games are going to
start to matter.
Speaker 3: I I one hundred percent by that.
Speaker 2: It is a massive focal point because their style of
play on offense during these five preseason games has been.
Speaker 3: Like totally different.
Speaker 2: It's totally I mean it's it's so clear that they've
kind of I don't know if they've used this verbiage,
but like the first good three you see that's just
it's got to go up. And the ball has moved
a ton with a ton just so much more crisply
in search of those threes. And I think the game
getting a ton of threes up to me is like, yes,
it's the goal, but I think maybe even hanging over
that in a bigger way is this idea And I'll
just jump to it now because it's like it's been
in my head from the first preseason game. I think
there's like a little it's part of like a pure
offensive strategy, which I think I'm tying to Klay Thompson's absence,
because with Thompson specifically last year, he was someone they
were like, we have to get him shots. We have
to run certain sets to get him looks, to get
him going one because he's apparently he was in fact
unhappy behind the scenes, like he was pressing, he was
forcing shots, so they were trying to engineer stuff for
him to like get going and find his groove and
like be the guy he was. And what that amounted
to if you zoom out even farther, is like so
the like offensive shot distribution and our style of play
is like no longer based on merit. It's based on
entitlement because Thompson is entitled to these looks that he
his play is not earning, right, So I think what
I've seen in the preseason is like this idea of
certain guys being entitled to shots or minutes or whatever
is kind of gone, And so the balls just moving
and the first guy with a good look is taking it,
and nobody's like looking over their shoulder to say, like, oh,
I should have waited for like seven more seconds on
the shot clock for Thompson to spring open. On this
set action we run, like I do think the offense
is more purely in search of like the first good
shot it can get, as opposed to let's try to
get this thing for this guy because he needs it.
Speaker 3: Does that make sense?
Speaker 2: Like I think, I think that's a big difference, And
the shooting a lot of threes is like sort of
just part of that, part of like the bigger change
I think is taking place offensively.
Speaker 1: It does also seem like an indicator of wanting early offense,
which leads me into my next question of is this
team more built to create more chaos on the defensive
end Ie mentioned it before forced turnovers or to get
out in transition more. They're in the bottom ten of
frequency of both last season.
Speaker 2: It would be hard for them to be built worse,
I would say, compared to last year. So I think
I think in a couple of different ways. Everybody they
either added or figure to play more and talking about
like I don't know, throw Peyton out there COMINGU or
Moody or Pods or whatever sort of help you in
both of those areas, just because Peyton's super disruptive, Melton disruptive,
Kyle Anderson's really smart, he gets in the right place
and causes problems that way, Heald will shoot it immediately.
Like early offense, there's an early offense and all the
young guys I think would certainly prefer to run more
than a lineup that I mean, think about who's gone right,
Chris Paul not pushing the pace, Klay Thompson not getting
up and down like he used to. Kevon Looney was
the starting center last year at the beginning of the season,
Like that guy's not getting up and down either. So
and Draymond's in his what is he thirty four? And
Steph's gonna be thirty six thirty seven before the season's over.
So like, I think they will play faster. I think
they have to play faster. I think they need to
be more disruptive. I think they should be more disruptive.
So like, are they gonna be the best in the
league in terms of transition frequency and like turnover rate? No,
but there I don't think they'll be just like massively
inept in both of those areas.
Speaker 1: Again, what are realistic expectations for Andrew Wiggins this season?
Speaker 2: Man realistically better than last year? Like much better than
last year. I don't think he's gonna be the you know,
those magical six weeks or whatever of twenty twenty two.
Speaker 3: I don't think that, like that's just.
Speaker 2: Clearly the outlier I think a realistic expectation on the
high end would be we get a couple weeks into
the season and there's like, oh my god, there's no
question he should be starting and closing like that. I
think I think he has that in him just because
of what he'soul and his size and his two way ability.
That is optimistic, though I do think there are scenarios
where he just kind of like he's just a guy
now and he's not providing the quick trigger shooting of
someone like Moody, and he's not so much better as
an on ball defender than Melton Moody comingo whatever. That
it's like he has to be out there against you know, whoever,
Luca or whatever. I think I think there's a pretty
broad set of options here. The only thing I'm confident
in is like he just will be better than last
season because of you know, several off court reasons and
all kinds of stuff.
Speaker 3: But yeah, it's it's it's.
Speaker 2: It's uncertain for sure for him, because he's at a
point now where like he's you know, he's not thirty five,
but he's at a point where like athletically he's not
just better than everyone, which was the case for like
the first seven eight years of his career, and I
can't point to any like singular skills he has developed
through a lot of hard work over the summers. So
it's kind of like, can he just sort of hang
on and be a quality starter for a few more years?
I think that that's kind of where I'm out on him.
Speaker 1: Do you think he he came off the bench was
like twelve or fourteen games last year or something? Is
he someone that can come off the bench?
Speaker 2: So I don't My gut reaction is I don't think so,
because like what is he giving? What is he giving
you off the bench? Like he's not a high energy guy, right,
So he's not your quintessential six man in that sense.
He's not a premium He's not a like good shot
creator for himself or others. Like he can get to
the pull up two for himself, and sometimes he gets
a spin move going to the basket. So like it's
weird to bring maybe he's like a defensive specialist at
this point. That's a weird thing to bring off the
bench because the opposing player's best wings are in the
first unit. So I don't know, Like I don't know
why that what kind of value add that is? I
think he part of the reason the starting lineup is
so tricky is that like he does actually sort of
make the most sense as a starter, but that I
guess thinking of it now is just more a condemnation
of like what he would bring as a bench guy.
You know he's he because what like what is the
thing You're like, Oh, we got to get this in
the game. Let's get Wiggins in there, Like what is
it on this roster?
Speaker 1: I don't know his I don't intermittent rebounding where he's
like really good for like these few minute births and
then disappears for the rest of the game. I don't know.
Speaker 3: That's the experience.
Speaker 1: It's just so tough because you say he makes sense
just to start, But then if you're playing the traditional
big and it's Draymond and Kaminga, I would I probably
just want someone I trust more as a shooter in
a two spot.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I think I mean him being sick and
missing most of the preseason is just such a like
it shouldn't matter as much as it seems to. But
like if he had been healthy and Moody had played
like he has, you would just say, like and Wiggins
had played fine, there'd be like a groundswell of like,
how the what does Moody have to do?
Speaker 3: Thing?
Speaker 2: Would be at like a ten at this point, But
like Wiggins hasn't been out there to show what kind
of shape he's in, So it's just, yeah, Moody's great again,
But Wiggins is another guy like that that sort of
is on the wrong side potentially of that like meritocracy
versus entitlement thing, because like he it feels like he's
entitled to start because he was the.
Speaker 3: Second best player on a championship team and on and on, and.
Speaker 2: It's like has he earned it with this play the
last couple of years and in the preseason, Like, I
don't know if this is a true competition and everybody
has a fair shot, Like what's your argument for Wiggins
getting the opportunity over several other guys?
Speaker 3: I don't know what it is?
Speaker 1: Well, then also what is it? This is a callous
way of looking at it, But if you're looking at
it from a trade value perspective, to say, if you
don't think that he can start for you or play
within your most inferior your most important lineup.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I mean it's it's submarines is trade value right,
like you you that's I mean, unfortunately, that is a consideration.
Is like if we move him to the bench, we
we just not down our expected return from like eighty
cents on the dollar to fifty cents.
Speaker 3: Like that's if you're thinking of trading him.
Speaker 2: But there is a scenario again though, where he's just
you know, quite a bit better than last year, but
not quite at his peak as a warrior, and he's
like a positive trade asset, and then you're starting him
and then you're like, well, why do we I don't
want to trade him. That contract's not so bad if
he's actually that guy.
Speaker 1: Do you expect to see a bounce back year from
Kevon Looney? How's he been looking? Uh?
Speaker 2: He definitely is thinner, and there was reporting on that
too that he's just he was just surprising to me
that he came in last year not in the best
shape because like, I don't know, man, like what are
you doing?
Speaker 3: You gotta you.
Speaker 2: You It's not like you're a superstar. You gotta be
in shape. So he wasn't in shape. He seems to
be in shape. I still would think that he is
if you consider Draymond a center, he's third on the
center depth chart. Just I think he needs to be
behind Draymond.
Speaker 1: Starting Wigans makes sense, by the ways, if it's Draymond
at the five, you start Kamngo Wiggins put in the two,
and then Steph.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I expect him to be a little better, But
you know, he Looney feels like a third center and
a guy that you can throw out there when there
are injuries and you'll just be fine because of his
experience level and like his knowledge of how to play
within the system and play with the warriors best players.
Speaker 3: But even even a.
Speaker 2: Moderate bounce back, I don't know that. I don't think
it should put him ahead of t jd in the
center rotation.
Speaker 1: Do you have any thoughts musings on any of the
two way or exhibit ten guys, Quinton Posts, my guy,
Kevin Knox, anybody like that?
Speaker 2: You want to do thirty minutes on Kevin Knox, the jury,
the journey he started when Zion ripped Remember remember in
the preseason when Zion like ripped the ball away from
him and just went up and dunked it.
Speaker 3: What an iconic.
Speaker 1: I don't even know what you're talking about.
Speaker 3: All right, that might have been. Was he on the
Knicks then still you must have been.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I just I do remember people fawning
over his summer league, which was just high volume, low efficiency,
and it was it was funny.
Speaker 2: I mean, Post is interesting just because he's he's real
tall and he can shoot. Like is the reason he's
intriguing prospect is he can shoot. Neither of those guys
are gonna gonna play.
Speaker 3: I think, I mean, like, in.
Speaker 2: Terms of deep bench guys, Waters really is the one
that's like, how is he not you know, a ninth
eighth or ninth guy somewhere?
Speaker 3: His willingness to shoot it it stroke looks good.
Speaker 2: I think he was zero for four from three the
other most recent preseason game I watched, but they all
I was like, I I co signed that shot when
he when it goes up from Lindy Waters like, I'm
on board generally speaking, But he's like, where do his
minutes come from? I have no idea that they're just
they just aren't there.
Speaker 1: Well, you're gonna be asked to shrink down the rotation
in just a second. Oh, but I want to ask you.
We touched on this a little bit at the beginning,
but didn't get into it. How do you view them
being linked to lowry marketing and Paul George specifically over
the off season. Do you actually take that as a
sign that they are aggressively planning to try and get
an infusion of talent here, maybe even a second best
player overall, maybe not the ideal second best player, but
a second best player overall, to really go for it
during this remaining window with Stephan Draymond, or do you
like I at least a little bit kind of believe
that felt more performative than anything, because the Pod stuff
was never close, despite if you see reporting to the contrary,
It just we know for a fact it wasn't close.
And like the reporting on the Paul George stuff is contradictory,
where it feels the Warriors feel like they had a shot,
but Paul George, the reporting is that he chose Philly
over Golden State. Then there's the reporting that the Clippers
didn't want what the Warriors offered, And so I don't know,
the fact that they're linked to these names in theory
is okay, like they're going for it. They haven't just
been you know, Steph, you get your extension, We're gonna
fade off into the sunset. But I'm also just kind
of looking at it and saying, they haven't been close
on anyone, and so I don't know how to view
you know, those that reporting or those attempts.
Speaker 2: So you've definitely swayed me that it is a little
more performative than maybe some of the reporting seemed, although
like Anthony Slater did say, uh great Warriors. Beat writer
for The Athletic Anthony Slater said, like the the market
and stuff wasn't was never on the one yard line
or whatever, which is He's like, it wasn't over the
fifty I think was what he said.
Speaker 3: So okay, okay.
Speaker 2: So that that combined with I think you're you're pretty
sober take on it feels a little performative, but at
the same time like you're still those things get out there,
right and and whether you really whether the Warriors are
really serious or close or not, they still are by
letting those or putting those like report, you know, putting
it out there that they're after these guys, it's like
it's still alerting all these players on your current current
roster that would have to be traded that like, hey,
we're thinking about it, fellas like that. So there's still
even if it is performative and maybe semi unserious, like
you're still willing enough to let that stuff out there,
to risk the feelings of uncertainty and marginalization and like, oh,
they don't want me that you're creating in the guys
that know roughly like probably it's gonna be me going right,
whether that's Moody or Cominga or Wiggins or whoever. Like,
it's not a risk free proposition to be performative in
that sense, So there has to be something real involved
in it, is my point, because the downside is real,
is real. It doesn't seem like they were close on market,
and the Paul George thing kind of ended up in
hindsight feeling like the Lebron thing where it's like they ask,
you know, they were interested, Okay, sure, yeah, I can
understand why they were interested.
Speaker 3: Does that mean they were going to get anybody?
Speaker 2: I do think at least, like bottom line, it's indicative
of a willingness to like explore some options, try to
get better, and some percentage of it is lip service,
like for Steph to say like.
Speaker 3: Hey, we're trying the extension. Please, we're trying. Maybe that
was the end game all along.
Speaker 2: I just I do you just think they they're willing
to pursue both avenues, if it's organic growth that gets
us where we want to be, if it's a big trade,
if it's some combination of.
Speaker 3: The two, like we'll do that.
Speaker 2: And really that's how you ought to be operating if
you're in a position like they are, where it's like
you're not a title threat, You're definitely not like a
top five lottery team, So you got to just be
willing to take like whatever path towards improvement presents itself.
And I think I think I do feel comfortable saying
like they're looking like they're open to trading guys for
a star should one become available.
Speaker 3: I think that's real.
Speaker 1: Do you think just based off the spectrum, Larry Market
is a fantastic player, but he's not like your traditional
second star. But then your linked to Paul George, who
is definitely closer to that, even if he doesn't bring
the same type of shock creation is they're sort of
just like a indiscriminate view from their end of we
just have to get someone who could qualify as our
second like a second best player upgrade, because I could
ask you who's the worst. I can ask you what
their biggest need is or who the worst player is.
That would put them at least on the periphery of
the title discussion. But it doesn't ever feel like it's
gonna boil down, like just to throw names out there.
It's if LaMelo Ball became available, well, that would okay,
that would make sense for this team. If Jimmy Butler
becomes available, that would also make sense for this team.
If Lebron wants to play with Stephen Draymond, that would
almost also make sense for this team. I can't I've
struggled to win it down to say like this is
what they need, though, like this is it. They're gonna
get a second star, this is who it has to be,
this is what they have to do. Because I could
talk myself into Larry Market and who is more of
just this oversized play finisher than anything else. We'll see
if he can do some more shot creation stuff now
with the way things are set up in Utah. But
that's what's tough for me, is that, Okay, it's good
that they're looking, but like what move could they actually
make or what type of player could they acquire that
if they Let's use Jimmy Butler as the analog here.
If you have Jimmy Butler on this team is, do
you think that's enough to like get them into the
title discussion?
Speaker 3: I think I think that's really close. Probably like it.
But that's the level. That's the level we're talking about, right.
Speaker 1: Like Top twenty, top twenty five guys.
Speaker 2: It's got to be someone that is as big a
threat to make an All NBA team as Steph is.
I would say, so, like you know, it's yeah, top fifteen,
I guess just to use top fifteen, Top twenty, just because,
like you know, Durant, if things went sideways in Phoenix
and you just bring them back like someone at that
level Butler Butler is Like I think Butler's probably there
where it's like, Okay, we can talk about the Warriors
alongside the Minnesota's and the Dallases or whatever, like I
don't know if we get to the Okay Sea level,
but we can at least discuss them as a okay,
Top four in the West, like you got a puncher's
chance type of thing. It's got to be somebody that good.
I think so, Like to your point, marken In probably
doesn't get you there, and Paul George maybe probably, I
guess you.
Speaker 1: I think he would have. I think he would have
just because there's enough job creation there and then he
just fits where Butler is. Okay, he brings the rim
pressure of the shock creation, the defense. But how do
you feel about him as part of the Warrior's larger ecosystem.
Probably still fine, just because the way staff works alongside anybody.
Speaker 2: No, yeah, no, it's to your point, though, it is
like it's got to be it's got to be an
all NBA level guy.
Speaker 1: I don't.
Speaker 2: I mean, I think I think that's just where it is.
I mean unless every single young guy in the pipeline
cominga POD's moody TJD like all get significantly better. But
then like you're trading most of those guys to get
the player we're talking about, Yeah, you know, or some
or most. So it's like you know that that's why
the guy just has to be so good, because it's
not just Steph needs someone at that level. It's that
you're giving up other guys that, in theory could be
your third, fourth, fifth best players. To get this number two.
So the trade off is, you know, you're sending out
a lot to bring you know, that level of player back.
Speaker 1: But ultimately you think, and you can say this about
any team, if it's the right move, it's a move
they're willing to make, but that you ultimately think that
if an opportunity on the Jimmy Butler level or similar
presented itself, or the Paul George level, just because he
was mentioned the off season, that is something that they
would actually do.
Speaker 2: I think I think so. I think so it's you know,
they're all the caveats are there of like for the
if the price is right and if it's the right guy,
like all that stuff is there. I think they're open
to it, I think. And like again I don't.
Speaker 1: Think why might be available not to play, but he
might be available.
Speaker 3: For he might be available to acquire and watch sit.
Speaker 2: Sorry, yeah, I think don't you don't you think that
they're or do you I'm curious, like, do you think
that it's just like they're not gonna do it, They're gonna.
Speaker 1: Let them as mature or I'm firmly I don't know
if this is like too QAnon of me, but I don't.
I don't think they have any intention of making such
a move, even if the if it's Jimmy Butler, maybe
if it's Lebron, but I just don't. I view everything
as performative. I just think they've kind of set like
they've so great agively got to this spot. And the
way that the Klay stuff was sort of handed. I'm
not saying they should have brought him back, but then
even the way the Larry marketing talks too, where it's well,
like we want market in, but we won't give you
Kaminga or POD's right and we don't want to give
up all our first round picks, It's well, then you
don't want marketing. So I really don't think. And I
think Steph and Draymond together, if they're healthy, you're still
good enough to make them relevant. I think we could
have questions about is Steph still the type of star
that can be the best player on the title contender.
You mentioned that they might need someone who's closer to
Steph's equal, and that's never really been I know they
had Durant at one point, but at peaks, even when
they won in twenty twenty two, no one on that
team was close to Steph's subble. Yeah, probably that we
need someone who is closer to his equal than understudy.
And I just don't I don't buy that they're willing
to because I think that they're probably concerned about the
post Steph oh Raymond era and who if you're acquired,
look at Jimmy Butler's age or Paul George's age, Paul
George's thirty four, Jimmy Butler's thirty five, you're the future,
recognizing that, like you're going for now, recognize that the
future is gonna be pretty bleak. I don't think they're
going to go that route personally, but maybe maybe they'll,
especially mid season. By the way, to make that call
mid season, it seems like they would have been more
likely to make it over and off season.
Speaker 2: I think that's why I'm increasingly convinced that it has
to be a guy at that like absolute top tier
that they would consider doing it for, because like you
kind of have a fairly you know, who knows it's
kind it's still several years away, but like there's a
pretty soft, relatively soft landing available to you as Steph
declines and it is eventually gone. If you hang on
to these this handful of young guys you have, and
you're smart on the margins with you know, you have
more off seasons where you get the meltons in the heel.
It's like you're gonna have your you know, they're not
like totally, they're not in the clippers boat of like
we have no picks or phoenix or whatever. Like, you
can have a decent transition that doesn't involve like five
straight seasons in the lottery after STEP's gone, if you
stay the course here and so that, so to be
persuaded to do something different, it's got to be for
just a you know, top fifteen guy, Like I think
that's that's when the calculus would change, and like we're
willing to risk those five lottery seasons starting in like
twenty twenty eight if we can have a real crack
at it.
Speaker 1: Are you ready to enter the Cookie Cutter Lightning Round
portion of the podcast, mister Grant Hughes, I've I.
Speaker 3: Love cookies and lightning rounds, So let's let's do it.
Speaker 1: What do you view right now as this team's single
biggest need, single.
Speaker 2: Biggest need is the second star. We've we've talked about
it plenty. I think that's just that's just what it is.
Speaker 1: And there's not like a specific archetype. It's just we
need okay love it. Is there anything about this team,
any one on this team, storyline, development, strength, weakness, concerned whatever,
that we have not touched upon that's flying under the
radar that you think deserves more attension.
Speaker 2: God, I feel like we I feel like I talked
for three hours in this hour podcast.
Speaker 3: I don't know what what we've not touched on here.
I mean we really did think getting warmer. Oh that's okay,
you're way to trigger me. Uh yeah.
Speaker 2: We haven't talked about how insane it is that Steve
Kerr catches as much flak as he does, whether it's
the Olympics, or whether it's his rotation decisions, whether it's
like seemingly not getting coming in there as soon as
he should have last year, the moody stuff. Show me
the coach that's gonna get you four titles in a decade,
or show me the guy who's getting you five or six.
And I will listen to your Steve Kerr criticisms, because
to fixate on the rotation stuff and the other things
at the cost of like, think of the personalities this
guy has had to manage, and think of the stressful
situations he's had to navigate. Think of all the other
coaching stuff that we just take for granted that he
has excelled at that no one else I posit could
have done as well at and just just like, let's
just not pretend that it's all about like how much
Moses Moody is playing and like that's what we're judging
a coach on, or like was Jason Tatum on the
bench all the time and the global metal run I
don't gold.
Speaker 1: I had to earn him some goodwill among Warriors fans, right,
pissing off all the Celtics fans. Yeah, sure that.
Speaker 2: Was Yeah, I'm sure Tatum was the best player in
practice and kurr just was trying to be as petty
as possible.
Speaker 3: Uh yeah, no, thank you.
Speaker 2: That is what we haven't discussed enough, is I am
in Steve Kurrz corner and you should be too, unless
you can show me the head coach that would have
done better than him with all the difficulties of the best.
Speaker 1: Here's the thing, how many titles would they have if
Moses Moody was already part of the rotation, like eight
or nine probably is to hear some people firing right
there the top when you're looking at if we had
to shrink shrink the rotation down to ten, looking at
their top ten most played players by the end of
the season, I weirdly think they have nine locks. So
I'm gonna go through those very quickly. You could tell
me if you wouldn't include anyone. I have Steph Melton, Wiggins, Kaminga, Green, Pods,
Heeled Slow Mo, and TJD. Those all feel like guys
who are going to be in the meat and potatoes
of the rotation.
Speaker 3: I think you gotta add Moody, like.
Speaker 1: It's just okay, no GP two, Kevon Looney kind of
on the outside looking in. No Lindy Waters, which is
not too controversial, but it's they're like kind of a
hybrid between the Rockets and the Blazers at this point,
like because they're good, but they're not good enough. But
they're basically stacked at every position. They have some developmental
prospects going on here, some nice veterans going on there.
Speaker 2: I do think so GP two is someone that just
has never stayed healthy. So I think I think like
you can just sort of put him on the periphery,
like there'll be nights where he plays, but there'll be
weeks at a time where he doesn't and that'll be
because of injury or whatever. And frankly, because I think
Melton gives you a little bit of what GP two
does and then some with the shooting and the ball
handling and stuff. And then Looney is another guy that
I could just see kind of being more of a bench,
you know, deep bench player, just because that's somebody has
to be and why yeah, what we love Lindy Waters,
We've established it, but he's also I think the outside.
So we're down, we're If we throw Moody in there,
that's ten guys and then you're just talking about injuries
making some decisions for you night tonight or week to week,
which is like I think, you know, you'd love to
have a everybody would love to be, you know, in
Boston situation where they're went healthy, clear top six and
you got two or three guys after that, you got
your Houser, Prichard, Cornette or Tillman, whatever. The Worriors just
aren't that team. Their rotation is going to be like
too deep. I think some people will say.
Speaker 1: What would you guess this will be? To some extent,
Matt actually sticking with the road to for a second.
So if Kevon Looney is on the outside looking in,
we're gearing up for a lot of Draymond at the
five then and probably that yeah, Kyle Anderson the five.
So like this team is going to be small. They're
gonna be small anyway, but like they don't at least
tj D and Kabon Mooney or what you would consider
true biggs.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I think that's.
Speaker 2: I think that's what else are they gonna do, even
loose at the hunder size, Like that's.
Speaker 1: They're just considered like him and tj D. They're true
bigs in my mind. But yeah, yeah, you're right. What
should be this team's most used or their go to
crunch time unit?
Speaker 2: Well, we can, at least for this one, we can
just say Draymond's the center and just dispense with the
conventional center because that just is what they do. So
I think it's if it were me, I'm going Steph
Pajemski Wiggins kaminga Draymond is my closing five most nights
and the Wiggans spot to me, is more negotiable than
the Pajemski one, just depending on how much you think
you need that defense, because you can put better offensive
players on the floor than Wiggins, like full there's like
three guys you could put out there that would be
more helpful offensively.
Speaker 1: Who would be? So of the players that you didn't
put in there, like, who would be? And by the way,
the lineup you mentioned was a plus twelve point five
points per one hundred possession last year, top notch offensive
and defensive ratings. They also just played under five hundred possessions.
But who's kind of the toughest cut or like on
the outside looking at it, the player you considered a
sub in most for Wiggins or someone else.
Speaker 2: I mean, depending on the size of the opposition, Like
Melton is a tough cut, and then as is Moody
at this point because he's just played better than almost
anybody in the preseason. Yeah, I think those those are
it because you might say Healed, but I just I
don't know that. I there's gonna be a real need
to have Healed out there as a closer just because
of the defensive give back and they're small, so they're
gonna have good spacing and offense, so you don't necessarily
need healed to be like the game breaking offensive force
that he could be, you know, in the second in
in the first six minutes of the second quarter or
whatever like that kind of thing.
Speaker 1: Is there a weirdoh funky lineup you would like to
see them roll out?
Speaker 3: I have? They have so many possibilities.
Speaker 2: Honestly, I did not think we would ever get a
Wiggins at the two and you know, and then super
jumbo lineup that you mentioned earlier that they tried it
out in the preseason. I kind of love the idea
of that, though, if you so, let's let's subut.
Speaker 1: Steph, throw Kyle Anderson in there, and then make it
well five five jumbo. I'm not ready to.
Speaker 2: Go that far, but I'm trying to think of, like,
what is the most jumbo rangey unit you could put
around Steph. So, because they went with Wiggins, Kaminga, Draymond
and TJD, I wonder if you could go Steph Wiggins, Kaminga,
and then like Anderson and Draymond just to have five
like power forward sized dudes that can guard five, four
or five positions.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: There's no shooting there, but that would be fun to
just switch everything except who Steph was guarding.
Speaker 1: I want to see slow Mo surrounded just by like
chaotic shooting. Oh so Buddy Heeled, Lindy Waters, Moses Moody.
I guess that's we could throw Steph in there if
we wanted to, but it would probably have to be
I'm trying to think, like who would be the next best,
Like maybe Melton just because they're defense and some shooting there,
but like it has to be slow Mo plus Waters,
Moody and and Healed, and then you can fill out
the fifth spot with I would personally, I would love
to see stuff in that, but then you are so
tiny and the defense is probably so with Melton, you're
still small, but there's more just perimeter juice there.
Speaker 3: You could do.
Speaker 2: You could get really weird with just a defense first lineup.
If you throw like Melton, Peyton, Wiggins, Draymond and Anderson,
which actually like there's no shooting there at all, but
everybody can guard.
Speaker 3: You might have to like sneak pajem.
Speaker 2: Ski in there potentially, but you could put some real
like just five plus plus defenders on the floor if
you wanted to.
Speaker 3: Not sure you would want to, but you could.
Speaker 1: This team does have weird lineup potential as the default
like possibilities to wear because they're so small.
Speaker 3: They're so small, and they just have like I mean,
it's really.
Speaker 2: Part of what we've been like just talking about throughout
this look ahead of just like it's just you can
do so many different things lineup wise, and it's not
clear like, oh yet what it should look like because
they have we as we've said, thirteen guys that you
could justify playing.
Speaker 1: As we record this, they're over under a set at
forty three and a half. How many games is this
team winning?
Speaker 3: Man?
Speaker 2: We just did our over underpod and I can't remember
what I said. I think I went over, but.
Speaker 3: I'm not sure.
Speaker 1: Shocker.
Speaker 3: I think here's the problem.
Speaker 2: The preseason has really affected my opinion, and I know
how stupid that is.
Speaker 3: I think they're going over that.
Speaker 2: I'll just say, and this will probably differ from what
we did on the over underpod, but I'm gonna give
them forty six.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna give them forty six wins.
Speaker 1: How many teams are you prepared to say or which
teams are you prepared to say, are you guarantee will
be better than them?
Speaker 3: Definitely better?
Speaker 2: Okasee, Dallas, Denver, Minnesota, just talking regular season finish right right?
Speaker 1: Is that you have to.
Speaker 2: Put Phoenix in there? And then who am I missing somebody?
Because now we're down to have.
Speaker 1: You're pretty high on Memphis.
Speaker 2: Traditionally Memphis, there's never prepared to guarantee Memphis is better.
Speaker 1: I'm not even sure I could do that with Phoenix
because I just feel like there's potential for disgruntled stars
there for sure. But I'm just curious to see how
it all kind of comes together where Okay, you have
Bradley Bald, Devin Booker, and Kevin Durant and you added
another ball handler in Tyas Jones. So I feel like
the teams I'm only prepared and this is not I'm
super high on the Warrior, so I think I went
under on the forty three and a half number. FYI,
But if you're asking me to guarantee right now, how
many teams in the West I think are better than them?
And this is probably the case for any team that's
not these four. Is just I have Dallas, Minnesota, Denver,
and OKAC. There's probably different tiers within them. But those
are the four teams that I have and sort of
like that's my top four in the West. And then
you could tell me basically short of Portland or Utah
finishing fifth, you can tell me any other team finishes fifth,
and I probably believe you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think, I know.
Speaker 2: I think like guarantee, like Capital g guarantee, it's those four.
Speaker 3: They're definitely our case. I mean, that's the thing if.
Speaker 2: If you're gonna have a debate about the Memphis and Phoenixes,
like I think, we start talking about the Kings and
Lakers and Rockets, and then well what about the Spurs,
Like it's it's equally hard to guarantee the Warriors will
be better than all of those teams. They're just in
that big mix from I guess you could say five
to twelve or thirteen in the conference.
Speaker 1: I will say, though, and this is counter two to
what I just said, I don't know if I view
them as someone who can party crash the top four
where it's like if you told me New Orleans or
even Sacramento or Memphis the Phoenix of course, if those
teams ended up third, like one of those teams that
up third or something. It's easier for myself. It's easier
for me to talk myself into that outcome for most
of them than it is for the Warriors.
Speaker 3: I think that's right. I think that's right.
Speaker 2: I also think it's harder to see the bottom falling
out for the Warriors than it is for like, say,
I don't know New Orleans of Zion's hurd, or like
the Clippers.
Speaker 3: Obviously the bottom is expected to fall out.
Speaker 2: Is that over undertotal just keeps keep slipping as the
weeks go by, just because of the depth. I think
they'll have like functional NBA level depth all season unless
just everybody gets hurt and Draymond gets suspended. Whereas, like
I see, I see more downside potential even for you know,
obviously the Lakers, I don't know. The Warriors are very
like it's it's they have so many guys that are
okay to good and they just don't have and they
don't have any almost anybody that's god awful, and they
don't have one guy that's great, and it's just like,
I don't know what that gets you guarantee.
Speaker 1: Wise, Lebron James trade de mend midseasons coming or that
would help. Is there anything we have not discussed related
to the twenty four to twenty five Golden State Warriors
you would like to get off your chest before I
let you the guest Skadado.
Speaker 3: Hmmm.
Speaker 2: I think we covered pretty much everything. I'm trying to think,
like we hit the Yeah, no, I don't.
Speaker 3: I think that's about it. You got me on, you
got me to go on the.
Speaker 2: Steve kerjag, So I appreciate that. I mean, maybe maybe
what we haven't discussed that's a little uncomfortable to discuss
is like this could just be the year that Steph
is not a top twenty five guy and then where
are you?
Speaker 1: That's that's a Steve because I think you could say,
when he's healthy, he's still decidedly top ten or twelve, right,
like he's still in the All NBA discussion. So falling
even to twenty fifth would be a pretty massive drops.
Speaker 2: Well, that's what I mean, Like all the upside we're
talking about and stuff like that's gone. If Steph isn't,
you know, for sixty five games at least as good
as last year.
Speaker 1: And we didn't talk about this, maybe enough as that
and this is part of the why they might want
to shoot a lot of threes that they're not necessarily
like teaming with offensive talent. They have guys who are
going to be But it's when you look at this team,
I think, if correct me, if I'm wrong, you would
predict that they end up having a better defensive rating
than offensive rating. You're gonna rank higher on the defensive
scale than the offensive scale.
Speaker 2: Man, if they're gonna shoot threes like this, I'm not
sure I would say.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, we also have Kylee Anderson shooting fifty
five point six three or whatever it's.
Speaker 3: You don't think that's gonna hold up.
Speaker 1: Uh maybe on the number of attempts he's taking him brats.
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, I I don't know. I think I could
see the offense just they could just be mathing the
offense correctly and be you know, seventh, sixth, seventh, eighth
in offense, maybe higher. I mean that's the thing as
we're talking about it, like you can see ways to
them being very good on both ends.
Speaker 3: I just like it's it's possible. To me.
Speaker 1: It just feels like more needs to go right beyond
steph for the offense to be elite than it does
for the defense, which obviously, yeah, include Stephan that to
be elite, Like it feels like there's more of a
because even like the worst, like the version of Andrew Wiggins,
they've gotten the past couple of seasons, like there have
been lineups where he's done fine defense.
Speaker 2: Surely, yeah, And I mean, I guess to be consistent
if we're if I'm gonna keep banging the drum off,
they need a second star. Like I'm not talking about
like an all defensive candidate. I'm talking about a guy
that's gonna create shots and score and you know, a
be an alpha type option. So obviously obviously the offense
is a little more fragile.
Speaker 1: I guess the thing we also didn't talk about. I
have wondered is would they make an upkeep, like slight
upgrade trade where it's, hey, you're not getting any of
our young guys or even a first round pick. But
let's say R W three is healthy. Maybe you don't
want him because you say, oh we have TJD and
we have Draymond. We don't need him. But just where
it's someone there's an opportunity to get someone without giving
up like any of your core at like maybe even
let's let's say Moses Moody isn't considered a core asset
by them at this point. Who knows what they consider him.
But you're able to do something where it's salary and
something like that to make a visible upgrade of your rotation,
but it's nowhere. It's not your second, third, or fourth
best player coming.
Speaker 2: In sure, I mean, and really, like, you know, actually,
kudos to us for not actually saying I don't think
we did say the words consolidation trade, because like, anytime
a team is deep, it's like, well, why don't they
just trade like three decent guys for a great one.
Speaker 3: It's like, because it doesn't ever work that way.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I do think, I mean, really, if we're
gonna be you know, rational about it, it's more likely
that a trade like the one you're talking about happens
than the superstar trade, just because they have the salaries
to do it and they have the decent like pick
equity where they can spare a good second.
Speaker 1: Or I do find myself getting falling into the trapic wolf,
you're gonna give up one first round pick and you're
like no, falling off into the distance, was like, well,
what are we doing here like you're only it's kind
of like the la We've talked about this a lot
with the Lakers, where it's why would you only give
up blank in one first round? Like you might as
well just go all in and get someone better. So
that's why I have a tougher time scoring away where
I don't trust that they're going to make the nuclear move.
But I feel like if we're talking about someone who
might crack their closing lineup with their top six, if
that's the level of the trade, I think they're more
likely to go nuclear than to be like, well, we'll
give you one first round pick plus this salary for
player X.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it depends on what's available, right, like,
because we know the Robert Williams is and once he's healthy,
the Brogden's and Kyle Kuzma's and like you know, Grant Williams,
like all these all those types of guys are.
Speaker 3: Gonna be available.
Speaker 2: And then then it's but then we're back to like, well,
how much better to any of them make an already
deep Warriors team. It's just but they'll be available. That's
the difference is we don't like, we don't know that
any like all Stark Caliber player is going to be available.
Speaker 1: Grant, this was fantastic. You're able just to tell our
listeners where they can find you and all the.
Speaker 3: Hear I guess like this is where I do most
of my talking. Uh yeah, I don't know. That's that's
it pretty much. You could follow me at GT Underscore Hughes.
Speaker 2: Really what you should do is just follow Dan uh
at dan fa Valley podcast.
Speaker 3: Dude, I was getting there. You can listen to hard
on Knox.
Speaker 2: Should I just do my outro where I say, all
the rate reviews, subscribe, comment on YouTube, help the algorithm,
love us back discord.
Speaker 1: We're going to appreciate this bit as much as you
and I, which is really.
Speaker 2: I mean, all the all the lookheads can't be exactly
the same. So yeah, you know, fall if you haven't, like,
if you're listening to this or watching it and you
haven't subscribed to wherever you get your podcasts or on YouTube, like,
I don't know what to tell you?
Speaker 3: Uh do that?
Speaker 1: I mean, I will tell you from our YouTube. I won't.
We don't the guests don't care. Ninety percent of our
YouTube views per month people who are not subscribed to us,
So if you've watched us, subscribe to us. Yeah, and like.
Speaker 2: Thanks, I guess, but like a lesser thanks to you
than anyone who's actually subscribed.
Speaker 1: Also, this is now traditionally the time where the guests
say something nice about how good of an interviewer.
Speaker 3: I oh, okay, noted, but.
Speaker 1: That's out of here for real though, so that we
can let every eighty plus minutes of Warriors talk.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's what the people wanted.
Speaker 2: You did do a good job, I will say, and
everybody always says this, but like the outline you put
together for this is ridiculous, like the because you know
the answers to most of the questions you're going to ask,
and it's just a lot of work. So I do
appreciate that, even though I, you know, for this team,
I didn't need a whole lot of prep. But and
hopefully that's not obvious based on the level of depth
of my answers.
Speaker 1: No, this was great. Like I said, this was the
team I wasn't worried about waiting until the end because
we have you, so that's a luxury that don't so sucking.
Speaker 2: I'm I'm worried about them because they're too deep and
there's nobody that's great except for stuff.
Speaker 3: That could have been the whole thing.
Speaker 2: We could have done this whole preview in that five
second blurb, but we didn't. Thanks everybody for listening, for
watching again, Rate review, subscribe, give us a thumbs up
on YouTube. Any shorts that Dan puts up there, any
of our clips, any of our full episodes.
Speaker 3: Make sure you comment as well. That's very helpful. Tell
your friends.
Speaker 2: If you have Warriors fans that I don't know hate
Steve Kerr, maybe don't tell them to listen to this,
but otherwise please spread the word. Join our discord please
for that YouTube and podcast description, buy our merch Dan
has on I don't Today, I've chosen to wear a
shirt that blends.
Speaker 1: Perfectly into the paint on the wall behind Universe, so.
Speaker 3: Hostly camo for today. Thanks again. Apologies.
Speaker 2: Oh see, I don't even know how to do this
when I'm the guest, shouts Frank mil Keina, apologies, Jared
Allen