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Speaker 1: What is up, fellas Echo's I am Dan for Valley

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coming at you with another twenty twenty four twenty twenty

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five NBA season look Ahead. We are on to the

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Golden State Warriors, and I'm thrilled to have bagged the

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guests that has been very difficult to get in the past.

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First time guests coming on for the look aheads, so

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I think you're really gonna enjoy the discussion that we're

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about to get into all things Golden State Warriors. Just

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as always, but I think that's enough. So again, very

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excited to have this discussion. First time look Ahead guest.

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We're going to talk about the Golden State Warriors. They've

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covered this team specifically for years and years and years,

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and I'm excited to interrogate them for the next forty

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five to sixty plus minutes. So let's get to it.

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Mister Grant Hues. Welcome to your debut as a NBA

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season look ahead guest. I'm a little bit nervous because

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I've never interviewed you before in the chemistry can always

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be a little off for the first time collabse on

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these look aheads. But I'm confident that we'll be able

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to establish some type of a dynamic, even though this

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is foreign. And so I just begin, sir, how are

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you doing?

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Speaker 2: I thought it was weird that you sent I assume

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hired thugs to my door and for and they, you know,

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barged in and forced me into this situation, you know,

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locked the office door and and you know, politely set

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up all my podcast equipment.

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Speaker 3: I'm here under duress. I don't feel safe.

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Speaker 2: I'm no how disappointed is everybody after that intro where

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it's just like, who's it gonna be?

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Speaker 3: Who did he get? Is Mike Dunley Bey gonna do

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the Warriors preview? Does that?

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Speaker 2: What? Know? Me?

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Speaker 1: If you get players or executives, for the most part,

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those tend to be like the least insightful discussions because

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they're just not giving you anything. Like the stuff that's

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worth talking about has always talked about off air, So

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everyone should be thrilled that you're doing this because you've

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never done it before. But we know that you follow

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the Golden State Warriors, like pretty intimately, I would assume.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, right, I feel like me, I don't know,

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I feel like I've done this before, but it might

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not have been for the Warriors. It might have been

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like somebody dropped out and I did want to, like

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for I don't know what seemed the magic or something

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years ago.

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Speaker 1: Really you're like, I don't know what it says about

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our hosts, like co hosting dynamic that I've been begging

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you to do this podcast. Right after that, you're just like, no,

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I'm not gonna do the Warriors. You need anyone with

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the hornets where you get bad.

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Speaker 3: It's got a lot of hornets thoughts.

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Speaker 1: So I am excited to get into this team with you,

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and we don't really have to go over their offseason

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stuff because you and I have talked a bunch about

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their offseason stuff. So I'm gonna begin with a super

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in depth question that I hope doesn't fly over the

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heads of people who might be more casual fans. I

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know we can get lost in the x's and O

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is Grant, what's the single biggest storyline you're going to

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be tracking for the team this season?

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Speaker 3: I mean, isn't that a hard question? Though?

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Speaker 2: Like so my the one I've kind of trotted out

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a lot and we've talked about is the emergence of,

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or potential lack of, like a second star guy to

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lighten the load on Steph as Ganners is age thirty

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six season and just looking at the roster, actually I

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should I should couch this in having watched the preseason,

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there are a lot of takeaways I think that are

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interesting and kind of change a lot of what I

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thought prior to the preseason. That's a stupid position to

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take because the preseason doesn't matter, but the team is

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pretty different. I still think though, sort of the you

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can't not say it's this angle is who's going to

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be that guy? And it's like, well, because Clay, no,

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Clay really wasn't last year and he's gone obviously, But

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it's like, you know, and you're never going to get

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a Durant caliber second guy again, because that's just you know,

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just a total you know, all the planets aligned for

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that one.

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Speaker 3: But someone to someone.

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Speaker 2: Who emerges, whether that's a young guy that takes a

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step forward, or someone that they may try to trade for,

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and we can talk about how close or not close

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some of those efforts were.

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Speaker 3: But I think that's it.

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Speaker 2: I think that's it, and it does that angle does

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kind of bleed into some other ones that are interesting

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to me that we can discuss. But I just feel

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like you can't pretend like it's something other than that.

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You could say like Steph Curry's health, but it's like, well,

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then that's true of the best player on every team

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you're going to do a lookhead.

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Speaker 1: For and he's not on the Joell and Bead level anymore,

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where it's that's the day to day storyline. So it's

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no different.

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Speaker 2: It's more like, I mean there is, it is a

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little different. I guess in that like age thirty six

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season for a guard is like the expectations should be

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like massive drop off.

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Speaker 3: The fact that it's been.

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Speaker 2: Really gradual over the last three to five years is

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you know that that can't be the like the focal point.

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it's like, well, he'll either get a little bit worse

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or a lot worse, and then that's Okay, so then

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what like that's not really you know that that I

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guess underscores the importance of somebody else emerging as like

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a high usage you know, shot creator, playmaker, scorer.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if this would be like the actual

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biggest storyline, but this player does feel like he will

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shape what is going to be the biggest storyline or

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how they approach the season. That is Jonathan Kaminga and

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much of the preseason, the lead like trading camp, the

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lead up to the regular season, has been spent just

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everyone openly wondering or oplying about which position he needs

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to play? Is it the three or the four? Can

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he play the three on this team? Should they have

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had a stretch big on this team if they wanted

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him to play the three? Where do you sort of

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land on that entire overarching discussion.

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Speaker 3: Specifically like what position he should play?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I mean, or what position? I mean in event,

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let's say there is a stretch big on this team,

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do you think that he can then play the three?

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Speaker 2: So personally, I don't I know that that distinction has

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been drawn really clearly, like cominga thinks he's a three.

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I think he's basically said that explicitly. Maybe the Warriors

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think he's a four. That has definitely been said explicitly,

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and the lineup, the data from last year, it's like

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over ninety percent of his minutes where he was designated

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as the four, So there is a disconnect there. In

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my opinion, I don't think it matters that much. I

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think the three in the four are kind of like whatever. Now,

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it's different on this team because whether Draymond Green is

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the four or the five makes a huge difference and

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sort of how the lineups look. So if Draymond is

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the four and you're playing him with a center, then yeah,

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Speaker 3: I just think like.

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Speaker 2: His his skill set kind of works either way, and

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like the things he's good at and not good at

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don't really change depending on which of the forward positions

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he's occupying. To me, I think the reason that question

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is interesting and kind of tricky to figure out is

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what it means for the rest of the lineup, which

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is kind of what you're getting at. I think, so,

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like I guess my answer would be if if kaminga

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is going to shoot ash with as little hesitation from three,

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as he has in the preseason, especially on just catch

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and shoot stuff, then I think you get you can

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It's a lot easier for me to imagine getting away

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with him as a three without a stretch center, just

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because that you know, it's like, oh, we need to

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accommodate him with spacing at other positions to make that work.

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It's like, well, if he's providing the spacing by being

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like a pretty high volume threat on the catch, then

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I think that gates some of that issue. So, like,

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I know, it's almost too hard to talk about it

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in terms of just like what position is he or

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what should he play, because you have to just rejigger

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so many different things in the rest of the lineup potentially,

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and then ultimately again it may not matter because if

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he's gonna shoot a bunch of threes, then I think

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that just opens up your options a little bit more,

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which I think, as we'll talk about that is almost

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a problem with this roster because there are too many options.

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There's too many guys that need to play or that

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should play, and it just makes all the lineup decisions hard.

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Speaker 1: And I know he's been getting him up in the

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preseason he's been hitting them. I'd just be curious if

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he's taking them, how long does it take for defenses

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to change the way that they're gonna guard him, Because

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even if he's shooting let's say forty five percent on

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three to four catch and shoot three point attempts per game, Okay,

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if that's not getting defenses to come out to him,

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that makes life harder on everybody else, which I guess

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gets into the Draymond Green and are they playing him

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with tjd or Kavan Luniar? It doesn't really matter to

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me as of right now. I guess I'll phrase it

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this way. When I look at this roster, it feels

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like the best way to optimize it in general with

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what COMINGA does and doesn't do versus the personnel that

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they have, would be that Draymond at the five has

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to become more of a staple, which is something I

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know Draymond doesn't like. I know the Warriors haven't liked it,

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and I understand especially now as he gets older and

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kind of the riggers that are associated with it. So

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I'm just curious as like, is that is that what's

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gonna become a potential default or we saw them. I

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think it was on was it Wednesday night? They rolled

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out the jumbo lineup? Didn't they have? Wiggins was basically

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the two, with Cominga starting at the three. It's like,

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you see, I guess you see a pathway to this

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setup working where I don't need to get caught up

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in the positions of it all, but you see a

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pathway to them being able to play cominga Draymond and

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a big And then if you do see that, do

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you actually see okay, can you also add Andrew Wiggins

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plausibly into that fold?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: I think that's the reason they tried that. Look the

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other night, you know they've done There have been different

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starting lineups and different rotations in each preseason game so far,

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and that is just because the coaches have is trying

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to figure out, like what do we do with all

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these guys that need to saw?

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Speaker 1: Do you get mad at all about that? Where they're

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change I've seen a lot of fans get annoyed by

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like the lineups that are being run out there, And

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I guess if this spills into the season and it's

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not working, okay, sure, but if you're not going to

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try it now, would you prefer that they try it

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when the games matter, I will not mad at all.

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Speaker 2: I think I think it's the only way. It's the

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most logical way to approach the preseason because like they

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just don't know, they can't know.

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Speaker 3: They added three guys.

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Speaker 2: That are theoretically rotation players. They've got all these young guys,

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not all, they've got several young guys that you know,

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need to get looks. And so it's just like it

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would be weirder to me if they had gone with

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the starting five for all of the same one for

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all the preseason games and just like decided that that

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was the look, because I don't think they know that yet.

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Speaker 3: So the small ball thing.

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Speaker 2: With Draymond at center, you know, if you'd ask me

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a month ago and I wrote about this, and I

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think we probably talked about it, like that makes the

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most sense to me. Whether he likes it or not,

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whether the Warriors are comfortable using it as like a

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first option as opposed to a, oh shit, we're down

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two to one in a playoff series. We gotta you know,

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go to the death lineup or whatever, just because that's

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how you get Kaminga and Wiggins on the floor together.

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That's how you get more athletic. That and their best

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two best high usage lineups last year were involving Green

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at center and Kaminga and Wiggins. The difference was is

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that Pajemski Orklay Thompson at the two and Steph obviously

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is the one. So like, those were their best lineups

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in terms of units that played over three hundred possessions,

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which like that's not a lot, but that's the biggest

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samples they had of any five man units. So I

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was on board with That's that's the way you go.

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You got to start the season that way because your

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margin for ara is smaller, your your superstar.

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Speaker 3: Talent is diminished. You can't like hold it in reserve.

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Speaker 2: You. You know, if you want to make the playoffs,

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you're gonna need to start with your best weapons. Now though,

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because of the style they're apparently going to play, which

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is shoot a billion threes and move the ball a ton,

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I think you could get away with more quote unquote

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conventional looks. Where Draymond is a four and it's probably

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Jackson Davis at the five, I would guess over Cavon

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Looney just because I just think Jackson Davis brings more

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athleticism shop blocking like that kind of stuff, more dynamic play,

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and Looney can handle being benched, I think more so than.

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Speaker 3: A lot of the other guys.

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Speaker 2: But I'm more open to, Okay, maybe we do have

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like a real center out there and just see if

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we get enough shooting from guys that we probably in

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the past would not have counted on getting enough shooting from.

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Speaker 1: I do think most people are going to focus on

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coming the shooting as kind of the arena where they

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want to see him improve the most or will track

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most closely. What's another area of his development though, that

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you're going to be monitoring this season.

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Speaker 2: Defensive awareness. That that has stood out immediately to me

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the preseason.

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Speaker 3: It's been an issue all along where you know he'll.

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Speaker 2: Lose It's all the basics, like he'll lose track of

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his guy, he'll give up open threes at the wrong times,

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he won't rotate over. There are just long stretches where

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he's not mentally engaged to the level that he would

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need to be on defense, and I think that's why

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they like to use him against more dangerous on ball threats,

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because it allows him to just be focused on more

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of a singular task as opposed to processing all the

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other stuff that's going on where're in help position. But

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that's a that's a big one because with a guy

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like him who can just the way he moves is

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you know, he's an A plus athlete even among NBA players.

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Speaker 3: I've said, you know, it's it's obvious for.

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Speaker 2: Him to be a liability a lot of the time

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on defense is kind of inexcusable because it is focus.

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It is like just understanding what the scheme is and

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like who you can and can't leave, and like that

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kind of stuff. So the shooting, honestly, as a catch

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and shoot guy, I think he's gonna be fine. Like

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it's I don't know if you're going to get a

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lot of pull up threes, but I don't know that.

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Speaker 3: You need those.

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Speaker 2: It's really now to me, the defense is the biggest

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part of it because it's just not as good as

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it should be.

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Speaker 3: I think, in my opinion, I think I'm.

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Speaker 1: Curious to see what if his driving game can evolve

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to maybe include more facilitation out of it to where

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we know he's not the most adept passer. But when

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you're talking about kind of kicking or like just these

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dump offs, when you're on the move. Yeah, they could

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be harder. But the way that he handled the ball

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on draws for a lot of last year I thought

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was a lot better. When you go back to like

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even the previous seasons, the handlefelt tighter, crisper. Do you

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see that level of decision making in him? And then

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also how much is that then potentially impacted by this

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base think that's that's around him in the front court

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you're running.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know that he's I would be really

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surprised if he was ever, you know, the doing a

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guy that in running a pick and roll on the

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strong side would make the like one arm sling pass

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to the weak side corner, like the Luca pass, Like

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that's just I don't see that for him. I do

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think he's sort of gonna be and has shown signs

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that he already is like more of a serviceable single

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read passer where it's like he gets downhill, the help comes,

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he don't he lays it down or he dumps it

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off to the center for a dunk, Like he can

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make that pass and he can I think make like

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the one read to the strong side corner if the

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help comes off of there. Beyond that I think. I

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think he's I'd be surprised if he became like a

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high level passer. And I think part of that too

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is just like the guy can just finish everything, So

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I think he's more wired to just be like I

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would just love to get some contact here and try

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to finish or I want to try to dunk this

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like that, which is probably okay because that plays much

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more to his strengths. I think he should be hyper aggressive,

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like trying to seek contact when he's driving.

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Speaker 1: We don't need to spend too much time on this

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because it could be dated by the time the podcast

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even comes out. Do you see him getting an extension

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by the deadline? And if he doesn't, like how not controversial,

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but how much of a fact like that potentially becomes

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a distraction where you're talking talking about Yeah, restricted free

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agency teams have all the control, but I would think

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if he doesn't get an extension, a lot of people

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are going to read it as the Warriors don't necessarily

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have all this long term faith in him. Could he

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be someone who becomes available in trade talks?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean this is when we can just discuss

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because it's pure speculation at this point, like I don't

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have any inside information. I think the fact that it

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hasn't happened yet and we're recording this, what four days

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before the deadline for him to sign it suggests to

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me that it's probably not going to happen. And I

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think that's I can understand it, because you can under

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you can you can understand why he thinks it's like

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Max are close to it because of like just the

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position I play, my physical tools, my youth, the production

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I've had to this point, and you can understand why

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the Warriors are like prove it because he just you know,

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the way that they've used him so far.

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Speaker 3: It's been in and out of the starting lineup.

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Speaker 2: It just just last year it took like a mini

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crisis for him to get a starting job. So I

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would say that they don't have total faith in him, uh,

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And I think that's somewhat justified. So I would actually

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be more more optimistic about someone like Moses Moody getting

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his extension done because it's obviously going to be for

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a much lower number and like the risk for him

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of going to free agency if he has another year

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where he just doesn't play a lot like that Payday

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might not be all that big, and he might want

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a bunch of guaranteed money or you know, mid levelish money.

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I think was the report was what's being discussed. I'm

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giving Moses Moody a mid level, you know, neighborhood extension

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if I can do it right now. The question is

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does he think his market value will be higher going forward?

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Speaker 1: I don't know, Moses Moody. Let's go there, because you

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mentioned him. What's this guy got to do to be

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a part of the rotation and what is it? What

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am I missing? I'm not saying. He comes on the

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floor and I think he's one of their two best

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players all the time. But every time I watch Moses Moody,

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I come away thinking, well, he clearly belongs in this rotation.

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This isn't I'll point out other bodies who you could

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take away minutes from too. What is like why? Like

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why are we here? And like what's the pathway to

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him getting a more sizable role on this team, especially

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now that they've added you know, Kyle Anderson. Yes, he's

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more of a big damn he Melton, more of an

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undersized wing. Like those are guys, Buddy Healed, They're gonna

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eat up perimeter minutes.

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Speaker 2: So I mean that's been a huge I mean one

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of the Kirk I think Steve Kirk gets a lot

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of unfair criticism, but and like I don't know that

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this is a fair criticism.

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Speaker 3: But the way that Moses Moody has been treated.

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Speaker 2: Over his career is like it's a lot a lot

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of Warriors fans are asking the same questions you are,

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but like with a lot more expletives and like much

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more vitriol.

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Speaker 3: Because they don't get it either.

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Speaker 2: My take on it has been Moody has for the

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most part been like a jack of all trades, master

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of none kind of guy where he has the wing

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the you know, the big wing frame, he has the

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decent shot, and then he can sort of doesn't take

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anything off the table. But there's always like if you

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want a certain skill, there's almost always been someone on

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the roster that's better at that skill than he is.

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So it's like, if you want defensive disruption, Gary Payton

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the second when he's healthy, like just does that better.

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And if you want shut down wing defense, like Wiggins

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has just done that better. And if you want the

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we got to get this young prospect minutes to develop,

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whether he's earned them or not. Like, well, Kaminga's just

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ahead of him in that pecking order because of the

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physical tools. The athleticism was drafted a few spots higher.

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So it's and then now, like to your point, you

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bring in Buddy heel d Anthony Mountain, Kyle Anderson, all

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of whom have singular skills that are better, you know,

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than whatever it is you might want Moody to do.

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I do think the preseason has kind of made it

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even less, like, even harder to defend if he doesn't

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get a rotation spot, because he's shot it much more quickly.

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He's been decisive, he's bigger, he's stronger, he just looks

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like a more complete two way wing. So if he

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comes off this preseason and is not in the rotation,

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it's just like, well, he's done. He's it's never gonna

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happen because it just it doesn't it to your point,

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it doesn't. It hasn't really made a ton of sense

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so far, and it really won't make sense if if

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that continues for him.

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Speaker 1: Brandon Jamski will not run into the same issue of

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getting minutes. I presume let's start here, what stood out

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to you most, or surprise you the most, or impress

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you the most about his rookie year.

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 2: I mean on the positive side for him, I didn't

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I didn't have a great sense of like just how

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sort of right place, right time he could he was

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gonna be on both ends. Led the league in charges

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despite like not a huge role for a lot of

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the year or charge is drawn.

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Speaker 3: I should specify.

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Speaker 2: Just is a great connective passer, Like just a lot

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of the like glue guy cliches really apply to him.

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Uh Oh, I mean the number one thing is just

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how good of a rebounder he is, Like he's just

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he's like a really good rebounding NBA player, Like and

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if you say, if you want to confine it to guards,

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like he's great.

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Speaker 3: He's a great.

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Speaker 2: Rebounder at his position. And it's not like he's out

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jumping guys. He just like has a nose for the

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ball and like makes it a priority. So that's probably

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the most surprising thing of his I just didn't imagine

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a guy with his physical profile would rebound as well

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as he does.

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Speaker 1: What is the next arena for him to cut when

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you're just looking at year two.

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Speaker 2: So this is maybe the easiest answer of anything we're

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going to talk about, and it's just he has got

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to be able to create his own shot in a

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way that forces defenses to play him honestly, because he

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doesn't create separation very well. He doesn't jump over guys,

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he doesn't blow by guys, he doesn't elevate in the lane.

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So last year he shot a bunch of hooks and

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they just didn't go in and weird floaters, and my

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suspicion is defenses will just play him to pass. It'll

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be like a Ricky Rubio thing where it's like he

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gets into the lane and you're like, awesome, my dare you,

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you know, try to score. And if Pajemski does not

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develop the ability to score like a little bit on

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his own, whether that's a pull up three, whether that's

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a refined floater game, then then you really do get

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00:22:13,559 --> 00:22:15,440
the cap on his ceiling that I think a lot

479
00:22:15,519 --> 00:22:19,319
of people still see. If he can do that, then

480
00:22:19,359 --> 00:22:22,400
it really sort of supercharges all the other stuff he's

481
00:22:22,440 --> 00:22:26,240
great at, which is just constant movement, quick passing, good

482
00:22:26,319 --> 00:22:28,759
vision maps the court really well, like all that stuff

483
00:22:28,799 --> 00:22:32,400
just sort of gets, you know, turned up a couple

484
00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:36,039
notches on the dial. If defenses are actually afraid that

485
00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:39,400
he can score, like in isolation or against a contest

486
00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:42,559
like that kind of thing, that's a huge pivot point

487
00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:45,400
for him and really for the Warriors offense this season.

488
00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:48,400
Speaker 1: I think, do you think just because looking I guess

489
00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:50,759
they can go to slow mo behind Steph if they

490
00:22:50,799 --> 00:22:52,799
want to, not say Solomo's the point guard, but without

491
00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:54,920
Chris Paul there, do you think he can take on

492
00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:57,720
some more of the because Pod seems like someone who

493
00:22:57,799 --> 00:23:00,720
thrives in chaos, whether he creates it, he's just kind of,

494
00:23:01,079 --> 00:23:04,400
you know, assuming a role into it. Can he run

495
00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:07,720
more of a methodical more than methodical offensive sets against

496
00:23:07,799 --> 00:23:10,039
let's say, set defenses in the half court?

497
00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:12,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I think that's another I'd put that

498
00:23:12,799 --> 00:23:14,960
behind the shot creation, and it all sort of is

499
00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:16,880
tied to it, because like what you're asking is like,

500
00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:19,160
can he be the guy that's initiating pick and rolls

501
00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:22,400
with whatever, you know, like doing conventional point guard stuff.

502
00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:24,680
And I think his ability to threaten the defense as

503
00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:27,319
a scorer on the ball is very much tied to

504
00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:30,200
like the level of success he's going to have in

505
00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:32,640
that role, Like he can get the ball over half court,

506
00:23:32,759 --> 00:23:35,039
He can initiate the offense, he can decide like who

507
00:23:35,079 --> 00:23:36,920
needs you know, all the all that point guard stuff

508
00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:39,640
he can do, I think, and they they will need

509
00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:41,720
him to do that. I think the Anthony Melton has

510
00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:43,720
gotten a lot of minutes at point guard in the preseason.

511
00:23:43,759 --> 00:23:47,359
I think they're open to that. But he's not, you know,

512
00:23:47,599 --> 00:23:50,319
he's not a you know, born and bred, you know,

513
00:23:50,519 --> 00:23:54,559
lead ballhandler either. So I think Pajemski if they, if

514
00:23:54,559 --> 00:23:56,880
the Warriors could right now today say like who do

515
00:23:56,880 --> 00:23:59,480
you want leading second units, it would be Pajemski. And

516
00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:01,519
it's just gonna come down to can he do more

517
00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:06,279
conventional point guardy stuff while also like being the connective guy,

518
00:24:06,319 --> 00:24:09,759
being the sort of guy who I think speeds up

519
00:24:09,759 --> 00:24:12,519
the offense in a good way when he's not actually

520
00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:14,880
the on ball kind of point guard guy. I think

521
00:24:15,039 --> 00:24:18,559
I think that's another big like maybe it happens, maybe

522
00:24:18,559 --> 00:24:20,440
it doesn't pivot point for his game.

523
00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:23,160
Speaker 1: And so we he's just we assume he's gonna continue

524
00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:24,160
to come off the bench.

525
00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:24,960
Speaker 3: Then, So I don't know.

526
00:24:25,039 --> 00:24:27,440
Speaker 2: I think I think when I say lead the second unit,

527
00:24:27,519 --> 00:24:30,279
I think that's you know, he may just be staggered

528
00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:33,240
with with Steph a little bit, and he might start,

529
00:24:33,319 --> 00:24:35,599
and he may also just run the backups when stuff

530
00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:37,400
comes off, or he may run it in tandem with

531
00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:41,000
guys like Melton and Anderson to spread the playmaking out

532
00:24:41,039 --> 00:24:41,519
a little bit.

533
00:24:42,519 --> 00:24:46,279
Speaker 3: To me, that's still very much unsettled. I think the.

534
00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:49,720
Speaker 2: Shooting guard spot could be occupied by any one of

535
00:24:49,799 --> 00:24:53,000
like four different guys, and we're this late in the preseason.

536
00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:56,640
The starting to it could be Pajempski, could be Wiggins

537
00:24:56,640 --> 00:25:00,480
in that jumbo look, probably unlikely. Healed could take it,

538
00:25:00,799 --> 00:25:03,000
Anthony Melton could take it to get like a real

539
00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:05,440
defender out there in the back court next to Steph.

540
00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:08,720
So I think ideally they would hope Pajamski would be

541
00:25:08,759 --> 00:25:10,319
so good that it's like undeniable that he.

542
00:25:10,279 --> 00:25:12,960
Speaker 3: Has to start. I don't I don't know that that's

543
00:25:13,279 --> 00:25:14,319
the case just yet.

544
00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:16,440
Speaker 1: Do you think this is a team that could be

545
00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:19,119
a little bit more fluid with how it approaches, because

546
00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:21,920
it's not really it's not about who starts about who finishes,

547
00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:23,519
but you do set a tone there, do you think,

548
00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:26,559
And this isn't necessarily something they've wanted to do when

549
00:25:26,599 --> 00:25:28,440
they've had their choice in the past, but could you

550
00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:30,920
see them being a little bit more fluid with their

551
00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:34,200
starting lineup choices this year unfortunately.

552
00:25:34,319 --> 00:25:36,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, because I think I think you're right, Like, and

553
00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:40,160
I think Steve Kerr said after the most recent preseason

554
00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:44,400
game that, like you want that starting five to sort

555
00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:47,720
of announce itself and make it pretty obvious, and Wiggins

556
00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:50,319
being sick for most of the preseason has just made

557
00:25:50,319 --> 00:25:52,720
that hard to do because they're not They're like trying

558
00:25:52,759 --> 00:25:54,559
to figure out how to work him in, and like

559
00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:56,279
is he entitled to a starting spot?

560
00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:57,720
Speaker 3: Like do we need him?

561
00:25:58,119 --> 00:26:01,279
Speaker 2: So I think it will almost have to be fluid,

562
00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:05,799
just just because like you can't again, like they just

563
00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:09,960
can't be sure yet they what the best look is

564
00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:11,759
and what that means for the rest of the rotation.

565
00:26:11,839 --> 00:26:14,880
They just it's the more we're talking about it, the

566
00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:17,079
more the biggest issue with this team. Forget like the

567
00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:19,240
I mean, the second star thing is huge, but like

568
00:26:19,559 --> 00:26:22,319
just like who plays, like who deserves to play? It's

569
00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:25,160
just like there's thirteen guys. Lindy Waters has looked good,

570
00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:26,000
Like what are we doing?

571
00:26:26,319 --> 00:26:29,880
Speaker 3: Like I do, and I like to be.

572
00:26:29,839 --> 00:26:31,720
Speaker 2: Fair, I didn't have as strong of an opinion as you,

573
00:26:31,799 --> 00:26:34,440
but I've just flashes in the preseason like oh, yeah,

574
00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:36,680
that guy's an NBA shooter, Like I think you could

575
00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:40,079
justify playing him, uh, you know, not ahead of like

576
00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:42,839
the Moodies of the world, but like I could understand

577
00:26:42,839 --> 00:26:46,160
why it's really difficult right now, just forget the starters,

578
00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:47,200
like the rotator.

579
00:26:47,319 --> 00:26:49,960
Speaker 3: Is it ten deep? Is it thirteen? Like, I don't know.

580
00:26:50,079 --> 00:26:53,119
Speaker 2: I think all these guys have shown enough in the

581
00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:57,160
preseason to say, like it should be a competition, Like

582
00:26:57,200 --> 00:26:58,839
that is how they're looking at it, Like all these

583
00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:01,200
spots are up for grabs other than Steph Spot and

584
00:27:01,279 --> 00:27:04,920
Draymond Spot and nobody's Like it's not clear to me,

585
00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:07,799
I'd put it that way. Yet, who actually warrants real

586
00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:08,960
rotation minutes.

587
00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:10,279
Speaker 3: Over over who? Or who doesn't?

588
00:27:10,319 --> 00:27:12,119
Speaker 2: I guess is the better way? Like who who has

589
00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:14,200
played themselves out of a role? And I don't think

590
00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:15,759
the answer is like nobody to this.

591
00:27:15,799 --> 00:27:17,960
Speaker 1: Point, before we get into some of the new additions

592
00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:22,119
and some overarching play styles here, trace Jackson Davis, your guy,

593
00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:24,680
what stood out to you most or impressed you? Were

594
00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:27,960
surprised you the most? Same question for him as a rookie, I.

595
00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:30,400
Speaker 2: Mean just the fact of where he was drafted in

596
00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:32,880
the Impact he had fifty seventh. I think I never

597
00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:34,839
remember the exact one, but like towards the very end

598
00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:39,160
of the second round, undersized for the first center spot,

599
00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:43,039
but like surprisingly good shop blocker for a sized, good

600
00:27:43,079 --> 00:27:46,240
lob catcher, really like quick off the ground with second

601
00:27:46,319 --> 00:27:50,039
jumps around the basket. No range, you know, nothing like that,

602
00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:51,559
but just like hey.

603
00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:54,920
Speaker 1: On mid range jumpers that year, you put some respect

604
00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:55,400
up that day.

605
00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:59,880
Speaker 2: Sorry, you just can't expect to get a rotation guy

606
00:28:00,039 --> 00:28:02,480
who you're talking about starting potentially in his second year

607
00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:05,319
that late in the draft, Like that's his whole his

608
00:28:05,319 --> 00:28:07,839
his whole existence in the NBA should count as like

609
00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:08,920
a surprise, Right.

610
00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:11,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I was most surprised by And maybe

611
00:28:11,759 --> 00:28:13,839
it's because when I think of his center, I assume

612
00:28:13,839 --> 00:28:16,440
of someone who's not six nine six eight whatever he is,

613
00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:17,759
Although is he one of the ones who might have

614
00:28:17,799 --> 00:28:22,000
grown over the offseason Allegedly they're like, I grew eight

615
00:28:22,039 --> 00:28:26,000
inches over the summer. But the way that he hung

616
00:28:26,039 --> 00:28:28,519
on the perimeter, it's not something that I associate with

617
00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:30,799
centers a lot of the time. But he's like it

618
00:28:30,839 --> 00:28:33,319
wasn't even just the way he like hung, but like

619
00:28:33,799 --> 00:28:35,759
he just flipped his hips, like the way he's able

620
00:28:35,799 --> 00:28:39,680
to change directions on defense so quickly. But yeah, I

621
00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:41,400
mean just as the number fifty seven pick, like you

622
00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:42,759
said that in general.

623
00:28:42,519 --> 00:28:45,920
Speaker 2: Is he's he's a good he's a good NBA athlete.

624
00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:48,160
He's just like if he were two inches well too,

625
00:28:48,279 --> 00:28:50,039
of course too if he were an inch taller, like

626
00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:52,160
from college coming out of college. Like, I don't know

627
00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:54,119
how he is not a first rounder. I do think

628
00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:56,599
everybody was just like he doesn't space and he's a

629
00:28:56,599 --> 00:29:01,160
little undersized for a center. But I mean unless he's not,

630
00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:03,079
you know, you don't need him to be your best player,

631
00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:05,119
like he could just be. He might be your backup

632
00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:07,319
center and that's fine because he has a couple like

633
00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:08,880
real playable skills.

634
00:29:09,559 --> 00:29:11,640
Speaker 1: Is there any area of his development that you'll be

635
00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:13,519
tracking to see if he can improve upon this year?

636
00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:16,079
Speaker 2: I mean, any shooting would be great. I just don't

637
00:29:16,119 --> 00:29:21,559
think that's in the cards. Probably, Like I think I

638
00:29:21,559 --> 00:29:25,160
think the Warriors would be most enthused if he could

639
00:29:25,279 --> 00:29:29,400
prove that he's like a plus defender as a center

640
00:29:29,559 --> 00:29:31,920
over like a larger sample of minutes and more time

641
00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:35,480
against starters, just because like some of the numbers from

642
00:29:35,559 --> 00:29:38,359
last year, and these are small samples, but like opponent

643
00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:41,119
rim frequency, which the Warriors were really good at overall,

644
00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:42,920
Like they just didn't allow a lot of shots at

645
00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:45,480
the rim, and they haven't over the last three years.

646
00:29:45,519 --> 00:29:47,039
I want to say they've been first, I had the

647
00:29:47,119 --> 00:29:49,799
data up just before we started talking in an opponent

648
00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:53,440
rimtim frequency in the last three straight years. But when

649
00:29:53,599 --> 00:29:55,720
Jackson Davis is the five, like opponents get to the

650
00:29:55,759 --> 00:29:58,039
rim all the time, like they shoot a ton, they

651
00:29:58,039 --> 00:30:00,920
should they make it like a league average clip as

652
00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:03,319
opposed to like a blow average one when someone else

653
00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:05,480
is at the five. So like, it's not clear to

654
00:30:05,519 --> 00:30:08,240
me that he can be anything close to an anchor defensively,

655
00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:12,599
So like him without Draymond at the four. Just I

656
00:30:12,599 --> 00:30:14,079
don't know what those numbers are off the top of

657
00:30:14,079 --> 00:30:16,240
my head, but anecdotally I'm not super comfortable with that.

658
00:30:16,319 --> 00:30:18,160
So if he could take a step there, that'd be big.

659
00:30:19,079 --> 00:30:21,440
Speaker 1: Is there? I mean, I guess if you're playing him

660
00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:23,440
with Draymond, it's not as much of a concern. But

661
00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:27,000
the rebounding when he played without Draymond for the team

662
00:30:27,079 --> 00:30:30,160
was not great if I remember correctly, And that might

663
00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:31,799
be part and parce Leve. Okay, while you're playing in

664
00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:36,640
undersized center, is that a potential sore point for this

665
00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:37,839
team in general?

666
00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:41,359
Speaker 2: Well, I mean really like the rebounding has been okay,

667
00:30:42,559 --> 00:30:43,200
as they.

668
00:30:43,039 --> 00:30:45,039
Speaker 1: Were when he plays with Draymond they were the ninety

669
00:30:45,119 --> 00:30:46,960
ninth percentile of defensive rebounding.

670
00:30:47,119 --> 00:30:49,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know that's the rebounding is not super high

671
00:30:50,039 --> 00:30:52,160
on the list of concerns. Like we could talk about

672
00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:55,559
transition on offense and defense, talk about the turnovers, free

673
00:30:55,599 --> 00:30:58,599
throw rate, all that stuff, real issues, But yeah, I

674
00:30:58,599 --> 00:31:00,880
think it's it's sort of similar the rim protection thing,

675
00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:05,599
Like he's really not a conventionally sized center and he's

676
00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:08,000
not like a monster on the glass if you don't

677
00:31:08,039 --> 00:31:10,160
have help in their for him. And he's not a

678
00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:12,400
shot blocker that's I mean, he can block shots, but

679
00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:14,720
he's not a guy that like plays the two man

680
00:31:14,799 --> 00:31:16,400
the cat and mouse in the pick and roll thing

681
00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:18,200
and with his length can just sort of guard the

682
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:20,920
lob and the finish from the ball. Like that's just

683
00:31:21,039 --> 00:31:23,720
not gonna be something I don't think that he ever

684
00:31:23,839 --> 00:31:27,680
excels at so that there's a it's like he's hugely surprising,

685
00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:29,680
like pleasant, you know, great, great, story.

686
00:31:29,839 --> 00:31:31,039
Speaker 3: Great useful guy.

687
00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:35,960
Speaker 2: But it's like he's not going to be a you know,

688
00:31:36,039 --> 00:31:38,920
plus starting center for ten years. I don't think like

689
00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:42,119
he just doesn't have the tools or the size for that.

690
00:31:42,519 --> 00:31:45,279
Speaker 1: Does he have more staying power than the Jordan Bell hype?

691
00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:50,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, Jordan Bell, Festus a Zili, Well, actually, fest Man,

692
00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:53,160
there was a time, there was a time where I

693
00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:55,599
felt better with Festus Azili on the floor than Andrew Bogan.

694
00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:56,960
Speaker 3: You know how I feel about Andrew Bogan.

695
00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:01,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, I think he's I think he's certainly already

696
00:32:01,119 --> 00:32:03,799
done more than Jordan Bell did to like prove that

697
00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:06,279
he has like he's going to have a long career.

698
00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:09,640
But it's asking a lot. If you're saying, like, be

699
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:13,240
our center and we'll play you know, any kind of

700
00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:15,359
wing heavy lineup around you want, and we'll be fine.

701
00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:16,240
Speaker 3: I don't know about that.

702
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:18,960
Speaker 1: Let's get into some of the new guys. The one

703
00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:20,759
that I think I'm most fascinated by, and I don't

704
00:32:20,759 --> 00:32:22,519
think he'll be the one that has the biggest impact.

705
00:32:22,519 --> 00:32:25,359
But Kyle Anderson, how do they use him on this team?

706
00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:28,039
Or they pulling the Kyle Anderson at the five lever

707
00:32:28,359 --> 00:32:31,119
a bunch or what big are you trying to play

708
00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:34,519
him with the most I'm just very intrigued what you

709
00:32:34,559 --> 00:32:36,359
think his role is going to look like on this team.

710
00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:38,680
Speaker 2: It's he of the three, he is by far the

711
00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:42,079
hardest to figure that out with, because like he is

712
00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:45,519
duplicative with Draymond, right, is like the the if he's

713
00:32:45,559 --> 00:32:49,200
spacing front court player, that's a great passer and really

714
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:51,480
good defender across multiple positions. So it's like, do we

715
00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:55,160
they kur played them both together the other night, just

716
00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:57,920
because he's like, I like the facilitating Well, yeah, that's

717
00:32:58,119 --> 00:32:59,839
you got a four and a five that can really

718
00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:01,279
like pass like guards.

719
00:33:01,319 --> 00:33:02,160
Speaker 3: That's great.

720
00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:07,200
Speaker 2: I just don't know how viable he's gonna be unless

721
00:33:07,279 --> 00:33:10,559
you really have specific lineups that are shooting heavy around

722
00:33:10,599 --> 00:33:13,359
him and you just start using him as a Draymond

723
00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:16,759
like you know, stand in as a facilitator, which like

724
00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:18,440
that's great, Like that's useful.

725
00:33:18,599 --> 00:33:19,480
Speaker 3: It's just hard to.

726
00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:21,240
Speaker 2: And then all the questions you have about well, how

727
00:33:21,279 --> 00:33:24,160
does Draymond fit with Looney or tjd or whoever? Those

728
00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:27,480
all apply to Kyle Anderson. It's the pluses and minuses

729
00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:31,000
are pretty similar. So I guess the only thing you're

730
00:33:31,039 --> 00:33:33,200
certain of is like, well, if and when Draymond gets

731
00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:35,160
suspended for he was chunk of the season, you just

732
00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:37,039
kind of slock Kyle Anderson in there, and he does

733
00:33:37,079 --> 00:33:39,680
a lot of the same stuff, but it is it

734
00:33:39,759 --> 00:33:42,519
is just by contrast, it's so much easier to see

735
00:33:43,039 --> 00:33:45,799
what Buddy Heal should do and what d Anthony Mountain

736
00:33:45,799 --> 00:33:50,319
should do. Anderson is just like I don't know, I

737
00:33:50,319 --> 00:33:52,319
don't know, like what the best use of him is

738
00:33:52,359 --> 00:33:54,359
and like who he should play with other than the

739
00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:57,799
general stuff of like needs shooting. You're gonna be a

740
00:33:57,799 --> 00:33:59,400
little small if he's your center, So you got to

741
00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:02,480
figure that out. Like I'm with you in that, Like

742
00:34:02,519 --> 00:34:04,720
I'm not. It's not clear to me what role he's

743
00:34:04,759 --> 00:34:05,240
gonna play.

744
00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:09,000
Speaker 1: Kind of feels like someone who's just his utility is

745
00:34:09,039 --> 00:34:12,079
going to be actualized. And when a curveball is thrown

746
00:34:12,199 --> 00:34:14,519
into whatever, maybe they make a trade or like you said,

747
00:34:14,559 --> 00:34:15,639
Draymond gets suspended.

748
00:34:16,039 --> 00:34:20,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think he's He's kind of a good example

749
00:34:20,639 --> 00:34:24,760
of like one of the things I've sort of reevaluated

750
00:34:25,159 --> 00:34:27,480
throughout the preseason for the for the Warriors is like

751
00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:30,239
I think their floor and now the Curry injury, I mean,

752
00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:31,199
the bottom falls out.

753
00:34:31,199 --> 00:34:32,079
Speaker 3: But their floor.

754
00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:33,800
Speaker 2: Otherwise is like quite a bit higher than I thought

755
00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:36,639
it was because of guys like Anderson, where if it's

756
00:34:36,639 --> 00:34:38,719
like you have a couple injuries and it's just well

757
00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:42,159
Anderson has to play thirty five minutes tonight, Like that's okay,

758
00:34:42,559 --> 00:34:45,440
that's better than you know, the Anthony Lamb days or

759
00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:49,199
like you know, whoever else would have occupied you know, Uh,

760
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:51,719
Dario Sarich after the first like two months last year,

761
00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:54,119
was just like, we can't play this guy, I think,

762
00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:56,800
and with Melton and Healed and some of the younger

763
00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:59,400
guys getting better, like I don't think other than a

764
00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:02,000
Stephan injury or a Knight like on the Nights I

765
00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:04,480
had said that the Knights that Steph doesn't play, the

766
00:35:04,519 --> 00:35:07,199
Warriors are drawing dead. I think they'll have a chance

767
00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:09,719
now just because they're going to have a lot of

768
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:13,159
NBA rotation caliber players and they're going to shoot a

769
00:35:13,199 --> 00:35:15,440
lot of threes, which maybe you just beat better teams

770
00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:17,519
because you're winning the math game. Like the floor's a

771
00:35:17,559 --> 00:35:20,280
little higher, and Anderson is like indicative of that.

772
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:23,719
Speaker 1: I think Buddy Healed is that, I mean the way

773
00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:25,320
they want to play in the threes that they want

774
00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:27,760
to get up. He is important. We know he'll come

775
00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:29,840
off the bench at this point. But when you kind

776
00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:32,360
of look at this roster, unless you think that Lindy

777
00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:35,360
Waters is going to play the caps lock shooters in

778
00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:38,039
the rotation are he and Steph and so we do

779
00:35:38,079 --> 00:35:40,880
we just expect them to be heavily staggered. What we

780
00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:44,719
see stretches extended where they're playing together. What's your feel

781
00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:45,039
on that?

782
00:35:45,639 --> 00:35:48,880
Speaker 2: My guess now would be and this is probably should

783
00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:51,039
have been the intuition from the start is that Healed

784
00:35:51,079 --> 00:35:53,199
is going to get a lot of like all you

785
00:35:53,199 --> 00:35:56,599
can eat minutes on the second unit because he's just

786
00:35:56,639 --> 00:36:00,360
wired for that. Like he you know, he wants to

787
00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:02,559
shoot it whenever he touches it, and like, I think,

788
00:36:02,599 --> 00:36:05,599
actually that's probably like what should happen a lot of

789
00:36:05,639 --> 00:36:09,880
the time. I don't like it when he dribbles. Bad

790
00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:12,480
things tend to happen when he like gets so you

791
00:36:12,559 --> 00:36:16,599
got to kind of I think I think he could

792
00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:19,440
have massive value as the guy that is just like

793
00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:24,280
most of your offense is run around against backups. I

794
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:26,639
think it needs to be a situation where he's not

795
00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:29,880
asked to like create shots, though he can create them.

796
00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:31,920
In that like he's running around like Steph does off

797
00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:35,000
the ball and and you know, bending the defense that way,

798
00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:38,920
and I think like it's it's that's a viable strategy

799
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:40,840
based on the style they've played with and like what

800
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:45,119
his sort of preferred way to operate is. So second

801
00:36:45,199 --> 00:36:47,679
unit most likely I don't love I don't love it

802
00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:51,199
with him out there next to Steph, just because defensively,

803
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:55,039
that's that's tough, and you're gonna have to have a

804
00:36:55,079 --> 00:36:59,079
third ball handler, which probably will shrink your your one

805
00:36:59,119 --> 00:37:02,480
two three rotation a little too much. So I would

806
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:06,679
guess like high high volume second unit.

807
00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:08,920
Speaker 1: Guy, the anti Meltin feels like he almost might have

808
00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:11,039
the inside track of just being the starting to the

809
00:37:11,079 --> 00:37:13,079
guy next to Steph for what he does defense. Honestly,

810
00:37:13,119 --> 00:37:16,159
if we're honestly, if we're being honest, how about that phrasing,

811
00:37:16,679 --> 00:37:18,920
I would probably just start moody if you're worried about

812
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:21,039
getting this basing without compromising the defense. But it seems

813
00:37:21,079 --> 00:37:23,280
like he kind of has the inside track on right,

814
00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:25,280
that's how you're gonna round. It's gonna be to me,

815
00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:29,360
it feels like TJD and Draymond and Steph and Comminger

816
00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:31,800
are all locks, and I feel like the Anty Mountain's

817
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:33,599
gonna end up being like kind of the fifth lock.

818
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:34,960
Speaker 3: Man I saw.

819
00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:37,159
Speaker 2: Wiggins isn't starting I mean not that, not that I'm

820
00:37:37,199 --> 00:37:40,159
saying that's the wrong choice, Like I think frankly, uh,

821
00:37:40,559 --> 00:37:43,679
there's actually a much bigger topic we can get to,

822
00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:46,239
like me, like on the catch all at the end

823
00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:48,199
of this related to that, remind me if we don't

824
00:37:48,199 --> 00:37:48,840
come back to that.

825
00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:55,079
Speaker 3: But yeah, Moody starting is is fascinating to me.

826
00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:57,920
Speaker 2: I'm almost I would root for that, almost just because

827
00:37:57,960 --> 00:37:58,800
like he's earned it.

828
00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:01,840
Speaker 1: You talk about Buddy Heal. That did make me think

829
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:04,360
that if you were trying to optimize your Kyle Anderson

830
00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:06,920
minutes and we know he's coming off the bench like

831
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:10,320
a heeled Moody Anderson like trio and fleshing it out

832
00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:13,159
from there makes so much sense. And then to your

833
00:38:13,159 --> 00:38:16,000
Wiggans point, if you trust that he's he's gonna play

834
00:38:16,039 --> 00:38:19,159
within himself, maybe hit some spot up threes like that's

835
00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:21,440
a cop, like that's a trio, he would make some

836
00:38:21,559 --> 00:38:25,199
sense alongside too, because then you're kind of maximizing your

837
00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:27,519
spacing around slow Mo's ball handling and.

838
00:38:27,599 --> 00:38:31,320
Speaker 2: Say yeah, I mean I didn't answer your question about Melton.

839
00:38:31,519 --> 00:38:34,880
I think I think there's a lot of a lot

840
00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:38,519
of sense in him starting because of the defense, because

841
00:38:38,559 --> 00:38:42,639
of the secondary ball handling sometimes primary ball handling.

842
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:48,199
Speaker 3: Good enough shooter, willing enough shooter. H But like I

843
00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:48,920
just I don't know.

844
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:51,119
Speaker 2: I think they really want Pajemsky to have that job,

845
00:38:51,119 --> 00:38:53,360
but Melton, Melton is just it's for him. I think

846
00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:55,519
it's just the back, like he's is the back going

847
00:38:55,599 --> 00:38:57,079
to be healthy? And if it is, like I don't

848
00:38:57,119 --> 00:38:58,719
really know how you keep him off the floor. I

849
00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:01,559
don't know if that means a starting spot necessarily, but

850
00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:06,400
he's probably the most like balanced option. I guess of

851
00:39:06,679 --> 00:39:09,320
the guys you could start at the two, although then

852
00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:12,760
there's Moody too, I don't know, Like I think, I

853
00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:16,039
think he doesn't. Melton doesn't make as much sense as

854
00:39:16,039 --> 00:39:18,039
a backup as a lot of the other guys do,

855
00:39:18,119 --> 00:39:20,360
so maybe it's like a default thing. I'm I'm just

856
00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:22,280
not gonna have answers for like who should start at

857
00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:24,519
the two, because I don't think the Warriors have him yet.

858
00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:28,519
Speaker 1: I also think if you're not if you don't trust

859
00:39:28,599 --> 00:39:32,519
Kaminga's defense just yet, having him out there in the

860
00:39:32,519 --> 00:39:35,519
starting lineup is someone who you could probably he's smaller,

861
00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:38,400
but you're gonna trust him more than Moody. He's more

862
00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:40,719
physical than Moody when it comes to that. Yeah, he

863
00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:43,440
makes more sense than a Kyle Anderson certainly in that

864
00:39:43,559 --> 00:39:45,320
and I think you just at this point you have

865
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:47,880
to trust him if he's healthy, more than what Andrew

866
00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:49,599
Wiggins has given you the past couple of seasons.

867
00:39:49,679 --> 00:39:52,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he's disruptive, like he's a high steels guy,

868
00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:56,599
he's a high deflections guy, and that you know, forcing turnover.

869
00:39:56,639 --> 00:39:58,719
The Warriors are just not forced turnovers because they've been

870
00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:01,760
older and slower and not athletic for the last few years.

871
00:40:02,159 --> 00:40:04,599
So Melton definitely changes that dynamic. And so if you're

872
00:40:04,599 --> 00:40:06,960
trying to pick some low hanging fruit, just having a

873
00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:09,440
guy out there that's going to cause some some turnovers

874
00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:11,199
and maybe get you out in transition a little bit.

875
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:13,960
I think that's a huge that's a huge bonus too.

876
00:40:14,199 --> 00:40:16,679
Speaker 1: Let's keep it with offense for a second. The wars

877
00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:18,440
have talked a lot about they want to get threes up.

878
00:40:18,519 --> 00:40:20,360
They're at over forty three I think per one hundred

879
00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:24,159
posessions during the preseason do you see this three point

880
00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:26,400
mindset holding it? Like, do you buy that this is

881
00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:28,280
their mindset for real when the games are going to

882
00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:29,039
start to matter.

883
00:40:29,639 --> 00:40:31,639
Speaker 3: I I one hundred percent by that.

884
00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:35,400
Speaker 2: It is a massive focal point because their style of

885
00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:38,719
play on offense during these five preseason games has been.

886
00:40:39,199 --> 00:40:40,760
Speaker 3: Like totally different.

887
00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:45,400
Speaker 2: It's totally I mean it's it's so clear that they've

888
00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:47,360
kind of I don't know if they've used this verbiage,

889
00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:50,320
but like the first good three you see that's just

890
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:53,719
it's got to go up. And the ball has moved

891
00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:56,840
a ton with a ton just so much more crisply

892
00:40:57,239 --> 00:40:59,960
in search of those threes. And I think the game

893
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:02,880
getting a ton of threes up to me is like, yes,

894
00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:07,320
it's the goal, but I think maybe even hanging over

895
00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:09,960
that in a bigger way is this idea And I'll

896
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:11,920
just jump to it now because it's like it's been

897
00:41:12,199 --> 00:41:15,800
in my head from the first preseason game. I think

898
00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:18,400
there's like a little it's part of like a pure

899
00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:25,159
offensive strategy, which I think I'm tying to Klay Thompson's absence,

900
00:41:25,199 --> 00:41:30,119
because with Thompson specifically last year, he was someone they

901
00:41:30,159 --> 00:41:31,920
were like, we have to get him shots. We have

902
00:41:32,039 --> 00:41:34,920
to run certain sets to get him looks, to get

903
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:37,719
him going one because he's apparently he was in fact

904
00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:40,800
unhappy behind the scenes, like he was pressing, he was

905
00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:44,199
forcing shots, so they were trying to engineer stuff for

906
00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:46,639
him to like get going and find his groove and

907
00:41:46,679 --> 00:41:49,199
like be the guy he was. And what that amounted

908
00:41:49,199 --> 00:41:51,639
to if you zoom out even farther, is like so

909
00:41:52,639 --> 00:41:55,440
the like offensive shot distribution and our style of play

910
00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:57,280
is like no longer based on merit. It's based on

911
00:41:57,440 --> 00:41:59,880
entitlement because Thompson is entitled to these looks that he

912
00:42:00,159 --> 00:42:03,360
his play is not earning, right, So I think what

913
00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:06,159
I've seen in the preseason is like this idea of

914
00:42:06,199 --> 00:42:10,000
certain guys being entitled to shots or minutes or whatever

915
00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:13,679
is kind of gone, And so the balls just moving

916
00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:15,559
and the first guy with a good look is taking it,

917
00:42:15,599 --> 00:42:18,280
and nobody's like looking over their shoulder to say, like, oh,

918
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:20,960
I should have waited for like seven more seconds on

919
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:23,079
the shot clock for Thompson to spring open. On this

920
00:42:23,159 --> 00:42:26,559
set action we run, like I do think the offense

921
00:42:26,639 --> 00:42:29,000
is more purely in search of like the first good

922
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:31,639
shot it can get, as opposed to let's try to

923
00:42:31,679 --> 00:42:34,159
get this thing for this guy because he needs it.

924
00:42:34,199 --> 00:42:35,000
Speaker 3: Does that make sense?

925
00:42:35,039 --> 00:42:37,239
Speaker 2: Like I think, I think that's a big difference, And

926
00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:40,360
the shooting a lot of threes is like sort of

927
00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:43,039
just part of that, part of like the bigger change

928
00:42:43,039 --> 00:42:44,719
I think is taking place offensively.

929
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:48,440
Speaker 1: It does also seem like an indicator of wanting early offense,

930
00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:51,679
which leads me into my next question of is this

931
00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:54,840
team more built to create more chaos on the defensive

932
00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:57,760
end Ie mentioned it before forced turnovers or to get

933
00:42:57,800 --> 00:43:00,760
out in transition more. They're in the bottom ten of

934
00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:02,639
frequency of both last season.

935
00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:05,719
Speaker 2: It would be hard for them to be built worse,

936
00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:09,119
I would say, compared to last year. So I think

937
00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:14,480
I think in a couple of different ways. Everybody they

938
00:43:14,519 --> 00:43:18,039
either added or figure to play more and talking about

939
00:43:18,079 --> 00:43:20,440
like I don't know, throw Peyton out there COMINGU or

940
00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:23,400
Moody or Pods or whatever sort of help you in

941
00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:28,400
both of those areas, just because Peyton's super disruptive, Melton disruptive,

942
00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:31,000
Kyle Anderson's really smart, he gets in the right place

943
00:43:31,039 --> 00:43:34,039
and causes problems that way, Heald will shoot it immediately.

944
00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:37,360
Like early offense, there's an early offense and all the

945
00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:39,719
young guys I think would certainly prefer to run more

946
00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:43,239
than a lineup that I mean, think about who's gone right,

947
00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:46,800
Chris Paul not pushing the pace, Klay Thompson not getting

948
00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:49,039
up and down like he used to. Kevon Looney was

949
00:43:49,039 --> 00:43:51,079
the starting center last year at the beginning of the season,

950
00:43:51,119 --> 00:43:53,480
Like that guy's not getting up and down either. So

951
00:43:53,559 --> 00:43:57,000
and Draymond's in his what is he thirty four? And

952
00:43:57,119 --> 00:44:01,039
Steph's gonna be thirty six thirty seven before the season's over.

953
00:44:01,079 --> 00:44:04,119
So like, I think they will play faster. I think

954
00:44:04,159 --> 00:44:06,119
they have to play faster. I think they need to

955
00:44:06,119 --> 00:44:08,800
be more disruptive. I think they should be more disruptive.

956
00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:10,519
So like, are they gonna be the best in the

957
00:44:10,559 --> 00:44:14,639
league in terms of transition frequency and like turnover rate? No,

958
00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:18,639
but there I don't think they'll be just like massively

959
00:44:19,119 --> 00:44:20,760
inept in both of those areas.

960
00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:25,559
Speaker 1: Again, what are realistic expectations for Andrew Wiggins this season?

961
00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:34,239
Speaker 2: Man realistically better than last year? Like much better than

962
00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:40,920
last year. I don't think he's gonna be the you know,

963
00:44:41,559 --> 00:44:44,679
those magical six weeks or whatever of twenty twenty two.

964
00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:46,239
Speaker 3: I don't think that, like that's just.

965
00:44:46,199 --> 00:44:50,360
Speaker 2: Clearly the outlier I think a realistic expectation on the

966
00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:53,719
high end would be we get a couple weeks into

967
00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:55,199
the season and there's like, oh my god, there's no

968
00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:57,400
question he should be starting and closing like that. I

969
00:44:57,480 --> 00:44:59,480
think I think he has that in him just because

970
00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:02,559
of what he'soul and his size and his two way ability.

971
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:06,679
That is optimistic, though I do think there are scenarios

972
00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:10,840
where he just kind of like he's just a guy

973
00:45:11,119 --> 00:45:14,199
now and he's not providing the quick trigger shooting of

974
00:45:14,239 --> 00:45:17,280
someone like Moody, and he's not so much better as

975
00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:21,760
an on ball defender than Melton Moody comingo whatever. That

976
00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:24,639
it's like he has to be out there against you know, whoever,

977
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:28,000
Luca or whatever. I think I think there's a pretty

978
00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:32,280
broad set of options here. The only thing I'm confident

979
00:45:32,320 --> 00:45:34,159
in is like he just will be better than last

980
00:45:34,159 --> 00:45:36,800
season because of you know, several off court reasons and

981
00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:38,079
all kinds of stuff.

982
00:45:38,119 --> 00:45:40,920
Speaker 3: But yeah, it's it's it's.

983
00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:44,599
Speaker 2: It's uncertain for sure for him, because he's at a

984
00:45:44,639 --> 00:45:47,719
point now where like he's you know, he's not thirty five,

985
00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:49,679
but he's at a point where like athletically he's not

986
00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:51,800
just better than everyone, which was the case for like

987
00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:54,920
the first seven eight years of his career, and I

988
00:45:55,039 --> 00:45:58,280
can't point to any like singular skills he has developed

989
00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:00,800
through a lot of hard work over the summers. So

990
00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:02,840
it's kind of like, can he just sort of hang

991
00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:06,320
on and be a quality starter for a few more years?

992
00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:08,199
I think that that's kind of where I'm out on him.

993
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:12,119
Speaker 1: Do you think he he came off the bench was

994
00:46:12,239 --> 00:46:15,360
like twelve or fourteen games last year or something? Is

995
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:17,039
he someone that can come off the bench?

996
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:21,360
Speaker 2: So I don't My gut reaction is I don't think so,

997
00:46:21,519 --> 00:46:25,199
because like what is he giving? What is he giving

998
00:46:25,239 --> 00:46:27,880
you off the bench? Like he's not a high energy guy, right,

999
00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:30,239
So he's not your quintessential six man in that sense.

1000
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:34,360
He's not a premium He's not a like good shot

1001
00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:36,880
creator for himself or others. Like he can get to

1002
00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:39,559
the pull up two for himself, and sometimes he gets

1003
00:46:39,559 --> 00:46:43,000
a spin move going to the basket. So like it's

1004
00:46:43,039 --> 00:46:46,119
weird to bring maybe he's like a defensive specialist at

1005
00:46:46,119 --> 00:46:48,000
this point. That's a weird thing to bring off the

1006
00:46:48,039 --> 00:46:50,599
bench because the opposing player's best wings are in the

1007
00:46:50,639 --> 00:46:52,679
first unit. So I don't know, Like I don't know

1008
00:46:52,719 --> 00:46:56,079
why that what kind of value add that is? I

1009
00:46:56,119 --> 00:46:58,880
think he part of the reason the starting lineup is

1010
00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:00,880
so tricky is that like he does actually sort of

1011
00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:03,960
make the most sense as a starter, but that I

1012
00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:06,639
guess thinking of it now is just more a condemnation

1013
00:47:06,719 --> 00:47:08,440
of like what he would bring as a bench guy.

1014
00:47:08,679 --> 00:47:11,360
You know he's he because what like what is the

1015
00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:12,960
thing You're like, Oh, we got to get this in

1016
00:47:13,039 --> 00:47:14,960
the game. Let's get Wiggins in there, Like what is

1017
00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:15,760
it on this roster?

1018
00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:21,679
Speaker 1: I don't know his I don't intermittent rebounding where he's

1019
00:47:21,679 --> 00:47:23,480
like really good for like these few minute births and

1020
00:47:23,519 --> 00:47:25,440
then disappears for the rest of the game. I don't know.

1021
00:47:25,679 --> 00:47:26,960
Speaker 3: That's the experience.

1022
00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:29,280
Speaker 1: It's just so tough because you say he makes sense

1023
00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:31,320
just to start, But then if you're playing the traditional

1024
00:47:31,320 --> 00:47:33,800
big and it's Draymond and Kaminga, I would I probably

1025
00:47:33,800 --> 00:47:36,119
just want someone I trust more as a shooter in

1026
00:47:36,199 --> 00:47:36,920
a two spot.

1027
00:47:37,239 --> 00:47:40,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I think I mean him being sick and

1028
00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:43,760
missing most of the preseason is just such a like

1029
00:47:44,199 --> 00:47:46,480
it shouldn't matter as much as it seems to. But

1030
00:47:46,639 --> 00:47:49,400
like if he had been healthy and Moody had played

1031
00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:52,000
like he has, you would just say, like and Wiggins

1032
00:47:52,039 --> 00:47:55,039
had played fine, there'd be like a groundswell of like,

1033
00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:57,480
how the what does Moody have to do?

1034
00:47:57,599 --> 00:47:57,760
Speaker 3: Thing?

1035
00:47:57,800 --> 00:48:00,159
Speaker 2: Would be at like a ten at this point, But

1036
00:48:00,199 --> 00:48:02,280
like Wiggins hasn't been out there to show what kind

1037
00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:05,079
of shape he's in, So it's just, yeah, Moody's great again,

1038
00:48:05,119 --> 00:48:09,559
But Wiggins is another guy like that that sort of

1039
00:48:09,679 --> 00:48:14,360
is on the wrong side potentially of that like meritocracy

1040
00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:17,760
versus entitlement thing, because like he it feels like he's

1041
00:48:17,880 --> 00:48:19,280
entitled to start because he was the.

1042
00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:21,639
Speaker 3: Second best player on a championship team and on and on, and.

1043
00:48:21,599 --> 00:48:24,840
Speaker 2: It's like has he earned it with this play the

1044
00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:26,920
last couple of years and in the preseason, Like, I

1045
00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:29,480
don't know if this is a true competition and everybody

1046
00:48:29,480 --> 00:48:32,559
has a fair shot, Like what's your argument for Wiggins

1047
00:48:32,639 --> 00:48:34,960
getting the opportunity over several other guys?

1048
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:35,960
Speaker 3: I don't know what it is?

1049
00:48:36,239 --> 00:48:38,000
Speaker 1: Well, then also what is it? This is a callous

1050
00:48:38,079 --> 00:48:39,760
way of looking at it, But if you're looking at

1051
00:48:39,840 --> 00:48:42,800
it from a trade value perspective, to say, if you

1052
00:48:42,840 --> 00:48:45,039
don't think that he can start for you or play

1053
00:48:45,119 --> 00:48:48,679
within your most inferior your most important lineup.

1054
00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:52,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I mean it's it's submarines is trade value right,

1055
00:48:52,079 --> 00:48:56,400
like you you that's I mean, unfortunately, that is a consideration.

1056
00:48:56,800 --> 00:48:59,400
Is like if we move him to the bench, we

1057
00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:02,360
we just not down our expected return from like eighty

1058
00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:04,119
cents on the dollar to fifty cents.

1059
00:49:04,159 --> 00:49:06,239
Speaker 3: Like that's if you're thinking of trading him.

1060
00:49:06,280 --> 00:49:10,239
Speaker 2: But there is a scenario again though, where he's just

1061
00:49:10,440 --> 00:49:12,159
you know, quite a bit better than last year, but

1062
00:49:12,239 --> 00:49:15,000
not quite at his peak as a warrior, and he's

1063
00:49:15,039 --> 00:49:17,840
like a positive trade asset, and then you're starting him

1064
00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:19,280
and then you're like, well, why do we I don't

1065
00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:21,519
want to trade him. That contract's not so bad if

1066
00:49:21,559 --> 00:49:22,559
he's actually that guy.

1067
00:49:23,119 --> 00:49:25,280
Speaker 1: Do you expect to see a bounce back year from

1068
00:49:25,320 --> 00:49:27,920
Kevon Looney? How's he been looking? Uh?

1069
00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:31,239
Speaker 2: He definitely is thinner, and there was reporting on that

1070
00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:34,159
too that he's just he was just surprising to me

1071
00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:36,840
that he came in last year not in the best

1072
00:49:36,880 --> 00:49:39,400
shape because like, I don't know, man, like what are

1073
00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:40,760
you doing?

1074
00:49:40,239 --> 00:49:42,199
Speaker 3: You gotta you.

1075
00:49:42,639 --> 00:49:44,920
Speaker 2: You It's not like you're a superstar. You gotta be

1076
00:49:44,920 --> 00:49:46,840
in shape. So he wasn't in shape. He seems to

1077
00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:49,400
be in shape. I still would think that he is

1078
00:49:50,320 --> 00:49:53,000
if you consider Draymond a center, he's third on the

1079
00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:55,239
center depth chart. Just I think he needs to be

1080
00:49:55,239 --> 00:49:56,679
behind Draymond.

1081
00:49:57,239 --> 00:49:59,559
Speaker 1: Starting Wigans makes sense, by the ways, if it's Draymond

1082
00:49:59,559 --> 00:50:01,920
at the five, you start Kamngo Wiggins put in the two,

1083
00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:02,760
and then Steph.

1084
00:50:02,920 --> 00:50:05,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, I expect him to be a little better, But

1085
00:50:06,039 --> 00:50:09,440
you know, he Looney feels like a third center and

1086
00:50:09,480 --> 00:50:11,159
a guy that you can throw out there when there

1087
00:50:11,159 --> 00:50:13,039
are injuries and you'll just be fine because of his

1088
00:50:13,079 --> 00:50:15,599
experience level and like his knowledge of how to play

1089
00:50:15,639 --> 00:50:18,119
within the system and play with the warriors best players.

1090
00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:20,800
Speaker 3: But even even a.

1091
00:50:20,719 --> 00:50:24,000
Speaker 2: Moderate bounce back, I don't know that. I don't think

1092
00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:26,960
it should put him ahead of t jd in the

1093
00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:27,719
center rotation.

1094
00:50:28,119 --> 00:50:30,960
Speaker 1: Do you have any thoughts musings on any of the

1095
00:50:31,039 --> 00:50:33,519
two way or exhibit ten guys, Quinton Posts, my guy,

1096
00:50:33,599 --> 00:50:34,960
Kevin Knox, anybody like that?

1097
00:50:36,119 --> 00:50:38,559
Speaker 2: You want to do thirty minutes on Kevin Knox, the jury,

1098
00:50:40,280 --> 00:50:43,039
the journey he started when Zion ripped Remember remember in

1099
00:50:43,079 --> 00:50:45,119
the preseason when Zion like ripped the ball away from

1100
00:50:45,199 --> 00:50:46,400
him and just went up and dunked it.

1101
00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:47,320
Speaker 3: What an iconic.

1102
00:50:47,880 --> 00:50:49,719
Speaker 1: I don't even know what you're talking about.

1103
00:50:49,719 --> 00:50:51,079
Speaker 3: All right, that might have been. Was he on the

1104
00:50:51,119 --> 00:50:52,639
Knicks then still you must have been.

1105
00:50:53,519 --> 00:50:55,519
Speaker 1: I don't know. I just I do remember people fawning

1106
00:50:55,599 --> 00:50:59,039
over his summer league, which was just high volume, low efficiency,

1107
00:50:59,079 --> 00:51:00,719
and it was it was funny.

1108
00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:03,239
Speaker 2: I mean, Post is interesting just because he's he's real

1109
00:51:03,320 --> 00:51:05,639
tall and he can shoot. Like is the reason he's

1110
00:51:06,239 --> 00:51:08,360
intriguing prospect is he can shoot. Neither of those guys

1111
00:51:08,360 --> 00:51:09,400
are gonna gonna play.

1112
00:51:09,480 --> 00:51:11,119
Speaker 3: I think, I mean, like, in.

1113
00:51:11,079 --> 00:51:14,079
Speaker 2: Terms of deep bench guys, Waters really is the one

1114
00:51:14,119 --> 00:51:16,480
that's like, how is he not you know, a ninth

1115
00:51:16,519 --> 00:51:17,800
eighth or ninth guy somewhere?

1116
00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:21,760
Speaker 3: His willingness to shoot it it stroke looks good.

1117
00:51:22,280 --> 00:51:23,920
Speaker 2: I think he was zero for four from three the

1118
00:51:23,960 --> 00:51:26,559
other most recent preseason game I watched, but they all

1119
00:51:26,840 --> 00:51:29,480
I was like, I I co signed that shot when

1120
00:51:29,519 --> 00:51:31,480
he when it goes up from Lindy Waters like, I'm

1121
00:51:31,519 --> 00:51:35,039
on board generally speaking, But he's like, where do his

1122
00:51:35,119 --> 00:51:37,760
minutes come from? I have no idea that they're just

1123
00:51:37,840 --> 00:51:38,679
they just aren't there.

1124
00:51:38,920 --> 00:51:41,320
Speaker 1: Well, you're gonna be asked to shrink down the rotation

1125
00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:43,800
in just a second. Oh, but I want to ask you.

1126
00:51:44,119 --> 00:51:46,880
We touched on this a little bit at the beginning,

1127
00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:50,840
but didn't get into it. How do you view them

1128
00:51:50,920 --> 00:51:54,440
being linked to lowry marketing and Paul George specifically over

1129
00:51:54,480 --> 00:51:57,599
the off season. Do you actually take that as a

1130
00:51:57,639 --> 00:52:01,360
sign that they are aggressively planning to try and get

1131
00:52:01,360 --> 00:52:04,320
an infusion of talent here, maybe even a second best

1132
00:52:04,320 --> 00:52:06,719
player overall, maybe not the ideal second best player, but

1133
00:52:07,039 --> 00:52:09,840
a second best player overall, to really go for it

1134
00:52:09,920 --> 00:52:13,440
during this remaining window with Stephan Draymond, or do you

1135
00:52:14,039 --> 00:52:16,599
like I at least a little bit kind of believe

1136
00:52:16,639 --> 00:52:19,679
that felt more performative than anything, because the Pod stuff

1137
00:52:19,760 --> 00:52:22,239
was never close, despite if you see reporting to the contrary,

1138
00:52:22,239 --> 00:52:24,280
It just we know for a fact it wasn't close.

1139
00:52:24,400 --> 00:52:27,679
And like the reporting on the Paul George stuff is contradictory,

1140
00:52:27,719 --> 00:52:29,599
where it feels the Warriors feel like they had a shot,

1141
00:52:29,639 --> 00:52:32,440
but Paul George, the reporting is that he chose Philly

1142
00:52:32,760 --> 00:52:34,599
over Golden State. Then there's the reporting that the Clippers

1143
00:52:34,599 --> 00:52:37,119
didn't want what the Warriors offered, And so I don't know,

1144
00:52:37,360 --> 00:52:39,280
the fact that they're linked to these names in theory

1145
00:52:39,320 --> 00:52:41,519
is okay, like they're going for it. They haven't just

1146
00:52:41,599 --> 00:52:44,000
been you know, Steph, you get your extension, We're gonna

1147
00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:45,559
fade off into the sunset. But I'm also just kind

1148
00:52:45,559 --> 00:52:48,119
of looking at it and saying, they haven't been close

1149
00:52:48,159 --> 00:52:50,320
on anyone, and so I don't know how to view

1150
00:52:51,159 --> 00:52:53,719
you know, those that reporting or those attempts.

1151
00:52:54,079 --> 00:52:57,679
Speaker 2: So you've definitely swayed me that it is a little

1152
00:52:57,760 --> 00:53:03,599
more performative than maybe some of the reporting seemed, although

1153
00:53:03,639 --> 00:53:07,519
like Anthony Slater did say, uh great Warriors. Beat writer

1154
00:53:07,599 --> 00:53:10,840
for The Athletic Anthony Slater said, like the the market

1155
00:53:10,840 --> 00:53:13,079
and stuff wasn't was never on the one yard line

1156
00:53:13,119 --> 00:53:14,960
or whatever, which is He's like, it wasn't over the

1157
00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:16,559
fifty I think was what he said.

1158
00:53:16,599 --> 00:53:18,000
Speaker 3: So okay, okay.

1159
00:53:18,079 --> 00:53:22,000
Speaker 2: So that that combined with I think you're you're pretty

1160
00:53:22,199 --> 00:53:25,559
sober take on it feels a little performative, but at

1161
00:53:25,559 --> 00:53:30,360
the same time like you're still those things get out there,

1162
00:53:30,440 --> 00:53:33,960
right and and whether you really whether the Warriors are

1163
00:53:34,000 --> 00:53:37,559
really serious or close or not, they still are by

1164
00:53:37,599 --> 00:53:41,360
letting those or putting those like report, you know, putting

1165
00:53:41,360 --> 00:53:44,159
it out there that they're after these guys, it's like

1166
00:53:44,280 --> 00:53:47,400
it's still alerting all these players on your current current

1167
00:53:47,480 --> 00:53:50,760
roster that would have to be traded that like, hey,

1168
00:53:50,800 --> 00:53:53,440
we're thinking about it, fellas like that. So there's still

1169
00:53:53,599 --> 00:53:56,519
even if it is performative and maybe semi unserious, like

1170
00:53:57,000 --> 00:53:59,559
you're still willing enough to let that stuff out there,

1171
00:54:00,119 --> 00:54:04,719
to risk the feelings of uncertainty and marginalization and like, oh,

1172
00:54:04,719 --> 00:54:07,199
they don't want me that you're creating in the guys

1173
00:54:07,199 --> 00:54:11,119
that know roughly like probably it's gonna be me going right,

1174
00:54:11,159 --> 00:54:14,960
whether that's Moody or Cominga or Wiggins or whoever. Like,

1175
00:54:15,599 --> 00:54:18,960
it's not a risk free proposition to be performative in

1176
00:54:19,000 --> 00:54:21,280
that sense, So there has to be something real involved

1177
00:54:21,280 --> 00:54:23,880
in it, is my point, because the downside is real,

1178
00:54:24,280 --> 00:54:27,480
is real. It doesn't seem like they were close on market,

1179
00:54:27,519 --> 00:54:29,199
and the Paul George thing kind of ended up in

1180
00:54:29,320 --> 00:54:31,880
hindsight feeling like the Lebron thing where it's like they ask,

1181
00:54:32,480 --> 00:54:35,599
you know, they were interested, Okay, sure, yeah, I can

1182
00:54:35,679 --> 00:54:37,000
understand why they were interested.

1183
00:54:38,199 --> 00:54:39,719
Speaker 3: Does that mean they were going to get anybody?

1184
00:54:40,159 --> 00:54:42,840
Speaker 2: I do think at least, like bottom line, it's indicative

1185
00:54:42,880 --> 00:54:46,719
of a willingness to like explore some options, try to

1186
00:54:46,760 --> 00:54:49,920
get better, and some percentage of it is lip service,

1187
00:54:50,159 --> 00:54:51,800
like for Steph to say like.

1188
00:54:51,760 --> 00:54:56,519
Speaker 3: Hey, we're trying the extension. Please, we're trying. Maybe that

1189
00:54:56,559 --> 00:54:57,679
was the end game all along.

1190
00:54:59,239 --> 00:55:02,239
Speaker 2: I just I do you just think they they're willing

1191
00:55:02,280 --> 00:55:05,239
to pursue both avenues, if it's organic growth that gets

1192
00:55:05,280 --> 00:55:07,480
us where we want to be, if it's a big trade,

1193
00:55:07,920 --> 00:55:09,199
if it's some combination of.

1194
00:55:09,159 --> 00:55:10,599
Speaker 3: The two, like we'll do that.

1195
00:55:10,679 --> 00:55:12,880
Speaker 2: And really that's how you ought to be operating if

1196
00:55:12,920 --> 00:55:14,719
you're in a position like they are, where it's like

1197
00:55:15,039 --> 00:55:17,719
you're not a title threat, You're definitely not like a

1198
00:55:18,320 --> 00:55:20,920
top five lottery team, So you got to just be

1199
00:55:21,039 --> 00:55:24,320
willing to take like whatever path towards improvement presents itself.

1200
00:55:24,360 --> 00:55:26,719
And I think I think I do feel comfortable saying

1201
00:55:26,760 --> 00:55:30,800
like they're looking like they're open to trading guys for

1202
00:55:30,880 --> 00:55:33,360
a star should one become available.

1203
00:55:33,840 --> 00:55:34,679
Speaker 3: I think that's real.

1204
00:55:35,280 --> 00:55:37,760
Speaker 1: Do you think just based off the spectrum, Larry Market

1205
00:55:37,840 --> 00:55:40,119
is a fantastic player, but he's not like your traditional

1206
00:55:40,119 --> 00:55:42,079
second star. But then your linked to Paul George, who

1207
00:55:42,519 --> 00:55:44,480
is definitely closer to that, even if he doesn't bring

1208
00:55:44,519 --> 00:55:47,159
the same type of shock creation is they're sort of

1209
00:55:47,280 --> 00:55:51,079
just like a indiscriminate view from their end of we

1210
00:55:51,199 --> 00:55:53,440
just have to get someone who could qualify as our

1211
00:55:53,480 --> 00:55:56,440
second like a second best player upgrade, because I could

1212
00:55:56,440 --> 00:55:58,920
ask you who's the worst. I can ask you what

1213
00:55:58,960 --> 00:56:01,800
their biggest need is or who the worst player is.

1214
00:56:02,079 --> 00:56:04,320
That would put them at least on the periphery of

1215
00:56:04,360 --> 00:56:07,280
the title discussion. But it doesn't ever feel like it's

1216
00:56:07,280 --> 00:56:10,239
gonna boil down, like just to throw names out there.

1217
00:56:10,280 --> 00:56:13,760
It's if LaMelo Ball became available, well, that would okay,

1218
00:56:13,800 --> 00:56:15,440
that would make sense for this team. If Jimmy Butler

1219
00:56:15,440 --> 00:56:17,679
becomes available, that would also make sense for this team.

1220
00:56:17,719 --> 00:56:20,320
If Lebron wants to play with Stephen Draymond, that would

1221
00:56:20,320 --> 00:56:23,760
almost also make sense for this team. I can't I've

1222
00:56:23,800 --> 00:56:25,920
struggled to win it down to say like this is

1223
00:56:26,000 --> 00:56:28,079
what they need, though, like this is it. They're gonna

1224
00:56:28,079 --> 00:56:30,760
get a second star, this is who it has to be,

1225
00:56:30,920 --> 00:56:33,039
this is what they have to do. Because I could

1226
00:56:33,039 --> 00:56:34,960
talk myself into Larry Market and who is more of

1227
00:56:35,119 --> 00:56:38,360
just this oversized play finisher than anything else. We'll see

1228
00:56:38,360 --> 00:56:40,239
if he can do some more shot creation stuff now

1229
00:56:40,280 --> 00:56:42,440
with the way things are set up in Utah. But

1230
00:56:43,239 --> 00:56:45,119
that's what's tough for me, is that, Okay, it's good

1231
00:56:45,159 --> 00:56:48,000
that they're looking, but like what move could they actually

1232
00:56:48,039 --> 00:56:49,840
make or what type of player could they acquire that

1233
00:56:49,880 --> 00:56:52,239
if they Let's use Jimmy Butler as the analog here.

1234
00:56:52,840 --> 00:56:55,679
If you have Jimmy Butler on this team is, do

1235
00:56:55,679 --> 00:56:58,360
you think that's enough to like get them into the

1236
00:56:58,400 --> 00:56:59,239
title discussion?

1237
00:56:59,559 --> 00:57:03,639
Speaker 3: I think I think that's really close. Probably like it.

1238
00:57:03,840 --> 00:57:06,119
But that's the level. That's the level we're talking about, right.

1239
00:57:06,000 --> 00:57:08,599
Speaker 1: Like Top twenty, top twenty five guys.

1240
00:57:08,679 --> 00:57:10,239
Speaker 2: It's got to be someone that is as big a

1241
00:57:10,280 --> 00:57:12,239
threat to make an All NBA team as Steph is.

1242
00:57:12,280 --> 00:57:16,000
I would say, so, like you know, it's yeah, top fifteen,

1243
00:57:16,119 --> 00:57:19,039
I guess just to use top fifteen, Top twenty, just because,

1244
00:57:19,079 --> 00:57:22,679
like you know, Durant, if things went sideways in Phoenix

1245
00:57:22,719 --> 00:57:24,599
and you just bring them back like someone at that

1246
00:57:24,719 --> 00:57:28,599
level Butler Butler is Like I think Butler's probably there

1247
00:57:28,679 --> 00:57:30,880
where it's like, Okay, we can talk about the Warriors

1248
00:57:30,880 --> 00:57:34,159
alongside the Minnesota's and the Dallases or whatever, like I

1249
00:57:34,199 --> 00:57:35,840
don't know if we get to the Okay Sea level,

1250
00:57:35,840 --> 00:57:38,159
but we can at least discuss them as a okay,

1251
00:57:38,199 --> 00:57:40,000
Top four in the West, like you got a puncher's

1252
00:57:40,079 --> 00:57:42,599
chance type of thing. It's got to be somebody that good.

1253
00:57:42,639 --> 00:57:44,840
I think so, Like to your point, marken In probably

1254
00:57:44,920 --> 00:57:50,000
doesn't get you there, and Paul George maybe probably, I

1255
00:57:50,039 --> 00:57:50,559
guess you.

1256
00:57:50,800 --> 00:57:52,679
Speaker 1: I think he would have. I think he would have

1257
00:57:52,840 --> 00:57:55,320
just because there's enough job creation there and then he

1258
00:57:55,440 --> 00:57:58,280
just fits where Butler is. Okay, he brings the rim

1259
00:57:58,320 --> 00:58:00,719
pressure of the shock creation, the defense. But how do

1260
00:58:00,719 --> 00:58:03,280
you feel about him as part of the Warrior's larger ecosystem.

1261
00:58:03,400 --> 00:58:07,599
Probably still fine, just because the way staff works alongside anybody.

1262
00:58:08,239 --> 00:58:10,039
Speaker 2: No, yeah, no, it's to your point, though, it is

1263
00:58:10,079 --> 00:58:12,119
like it's got to be it's got to be an

1264
00:58:12,119 --> 00:58:13,760
all NBA level guy.

1265
00:58:14,039 --> 00:58:14,480
Speaker 1: I don't.

1266
00:58:14,519 --> 00:58:16,400
Speaker 2: I mean, I think I think that's just where it is.

1267
00:58:17,039 --> 00:58:21,840
I mean unless every single young guy in the pipeline

1268
00:58:22,360 --> 00:58:27,079
cominga POD's moody TJD like all get significantly better. But

1269
00:58:27,159 --> 00:58:29,800
then like you're trading most of those guys to get

1270
00:58:29,880 --> 00:58:32,280
the player we're talking about, Yeah, you know, or some

1271
00:58:32,800 --> 00:58:36,280
or most. So it's like you know that that's why

1272
00:58:36,320 --> 00:58:38,000
the guy just has to be so good, because it's

1273
00:58:38,039 --> 00:58:40,639
not just Steph needs someone at that level. It's that

1274
00:58:40,679 --> 00:58:43,599
you're giving up other guys that, in theory could be

1275
00:58:43,760 --> 00:58:46,519
your third, fourth, fifth best players. To get this number two.

1276
00:58:46,960 --> 00:58:49,159
So the trade off is, you know, you're sending out

1277
00:58:49,199 --> 00:58:52,199
a lot to bring you know, that level of player back.

1278
00:58:52,760 --> 00:58:54,920
Speaker 1: But ultimately you think, and you can say this about

1279
00:58:54,920 --> 00:58:56,440
any team, if it's the right move, it's a move

1280
00:58:56,440 --> 00:58:58,559
they're willing to make, but that you ultimately think that

1281
00:58:58,679 --> 00:59:02,719
if an opportunity on the Jimmy Butler level or similar

1282
00:59:02,800 --> 00:59:05,679
presented itself, or the Paul George level, just because he

1283
00:59:05,800 --> 00:59:08,239
was mentioned the off season, that is something that they

1284
00:59:08,239 --> 00:59:09,519
would actually do.

1285
00:59:10,320 --> 00:59:14,280
Speaker 2: I think I think so. I think so it's you know,

1286
00:59:14,960 --> 00:59:17,119
they're all the caveats are there of like for the

1287
00:59:17,320 --> 00:59:19,159
if the price is right and if it's the right guy,

1288
00:59:19,239 --> 00:59:21,360
like all that stuff is there. I think they're open

1289
00:59:21,400 --> 00:59:25,800
to it, I think. And like again I don't.

1290
00:59:25,599 --> 00:59:28,559
Speaker 1: Think why might be available not to play, but he

1291
00:59:28,639 --> 00:59:29,800
might be available.

1292
00:59:29,320 --> 00:59:32,559
Speaker 3: For he might be available to acquire and watch sit.

1293
00:59:33,960 --> 00:59:37,599
Speaker 2: Sorry, yeah, I think don't you don't you think that

1294
00:59:37,639 --> 00:59:40,320
they're or do you I'm curious, like, do you think

1295
00:59:40,360 --> 00:59:42,920
that it's just like they're not gonna do it, They're gonna.

1296
00:59:42,719 --> 00:59:45,519
Speaker 1: Let them as mature or I'm firmly I don't know

1297
00:59:45,519 --> 00:59:48,119
if this is like too QAnon of me, but I don't.

1298
00:59:48,239 --> 00:59:50,760
I don't think they have any intention of making such

1299
00:59:50,760 --> 00:59:52,920
a move, even if the if it's Jimmy Butler, maybe

1300
00:59:52,960 --> 00:59:56,400
if it's Lebron, but I just don't. I view everything

1301
00:59:56,440 --> 00:59:58,559
as performative. I just think they've kind of set like

1302
00:59:58,599 --> 01:00:01,880
they've so great agively got to this spot. And the

1303
01:00:01,880 --> 01:00:04,079
way that the Klay stuff was sort of handed. I'm

1304
01:00:04,079 --> 01:00:05,719
not saying they should have brought him back, but then

1305
01:00:05,800 --> 01:00:08,960
even the way the Larry marketing talks too, where it's well,

1306
01:00:09,000 --> 01:00:11,039
like we want market in, but we won't give you

1307
01:00:11,119 --> 01:00:13,760
Kaminga or POD's right and we don't want to give

1308
01:00:13,840 --> 01:00:15,480
up all our first round picks, It's well, then you

1309
01:00:15,519 --> 01:00:19,400
don't want marketing. So I really don't think. And I

1310
01:00:19,400 --> 01:00:21,800
think Steph and Draymond together, if they're healthy, you're still

1311
01:00:21,800 --> 01:00:24,119
good enough to make them relevant. I think we could

1312
01:00:24,159 --> 01:00:26,519
have questions about is Steph still the type of star

1313
01:00:27,360 --> 01:00:29,159
that can be the best player on the title contender.

1314
01:00:29,199 --> 01:00:30,880
You mentioned that they might need someone who's closer to

1315
01:00:30,920 --> 01:00:33,599
Steph's equal, and that's never really been I know they

1316
01:00:33,639 --> 01:00:36,039
had Durant at one point, but at peaks, even when

1317
01:00:36,039 --> 01:00:38,320
they won in twenty twenty two, no one on that

1318
01:00:38,360 --> 01:00:41,239
team was close to Steph's subble. Yeah, probably that we

1319
01:00:41,320 --> 01:00:45,360
need someone who is closer to his equal than understudy.

1320
01:00:45,559 --> 01:00:48,599
And I just don't I don't buy that they're willing

1321
01:00:48,639 --> 01:00:51,079
to because I think that they're probably concerned about the

1322
01:00:51,119 --> 01:00:54,440
post Steph oh Raymond era and who if you're acquired,

1323
01:00:54,440 --> 01:00:57,039
look at Jimmy Butler's age or Paul George's age, Paul

1324
01:00:57,039 --> 01:01:00,880
George's thirty four, Jimmy Butler's thirty five, you're the future,

1325
01:01:00,960 --> 01:01:04,119
recognizing that, like you're going for now, recognize that the

1326
01:01:04,119 --> 01:01:06,280
future is gonna be pretty bleak. I don't think they're

1327
01:01:06,280 --> 01:01:08,480
going to go that route personally, but maybe maybe they'll,

1328
01:01:08,719 --> 01:01:11,119
especially mid season. By the way, to make that call

1329
01:01:11,239 --> 01:01:13,280
mid season, it seems like they would have been more

1330
01:01:13,360 --> 01:01:15,320
likely to make it over and off season.

1331
01:01:15,960 --> 01:01:19,000
Speaker 2: I think that's why I'm increasingly convinced that it has

1332
01:01:19,039 --> 01:01:22,360
to be a guy at that like absolute top tier

1333
01:01:22,880 --> 01:01:26,119
that they would consider doing it for, because like you

1334
01:01:26,199 --> 01:01:28,480
kind of have a fairly you know, who knows it's

1335
01:01:28,559 --> 01:01:30,800
kind it's still several years away, but like there's a

1336
01:01:30,840 --> 01:01:34,559
pretty soft, relatively soft landing available to you as Steph

1337
01:01:34,599 --> 01:01:37,559
declines and it is eventually gone. If you hang on

1338
01:01:37,639 --> 01:01:39,599
to these this handful of young guys you have, and

1339
01:01:39,639 --> 01:01:41,639
you're smart on the margins with you know, you have

1340
01:01:41,679 --> 01:01:43,760
more off seasons where you get the meltons in the heel.

1341
01:01:43,800 --> 01:01:46,159
It's like you're gonna have your you know, they're not

1342
01:01:46,280 --> 01:01:49,039
like totally, they're not in the clippers boat of like

1343
01:01:49,239 --> 01:01:52,239
we have no picks or phoenix or whatever. Like, you

1344
01:01:52,280 --> 01:01:55,840
can have a decent transition that doesn't involve like five

1345
01:01:55,880 --> 01:01:58,440
straight seasons in the lottery after STEP's gone, if you

1346
01:01:58,599 --> 01:02:01,039
stay the course here and so that, so to be

1347
01:02:01,119 --> 01:02:03,400
persuaded to do something different, it's got to be for

1348
01:02:03,639 --> 01:02:05,800
just a you know, top fifteen guy, Like I think

1349
01:02:05,800 --> 01:02:08,360
that's that's when the calculus would change, and like we're

1350
01:02:08,400 --> 01:02:11,639
willing to risk those five lottery seasons starting in like

1351
01:02:11,639 --> 01:02:14,079
twenty twenty eight if we can have a real crack

1352
01:02:14,159 --> 01:02:14,440
at it.

1353
01:02:15,039 --> 01:02:18,079
Speaker 1: Are you ready to enter the Cookie Cutter Lightning Round

1354
01:02:18,079 --> 01:02:21,159
portion of the podcast, mister Grant Hughes, I've I.

1355
01:02:21,079 --> 01:02:23,800
Speaker 3: Love cookies and lightning rounds, So let's let's do it.

1356
01:02:24,800 --> 01:02:27,519
Speaker 1: What do you view right now as this team's single

1357
01:02:27,559 --> 01:02:29,840
biggest need, single.

1358
01:02:29,639 --> 01:02:32,000
Speaker 2: Biggest need is the second star. We've we've talked about

1359
01:02:32,000 --> 01:02:34,159
it plenty. I think that's just that's just what it is.

1360
01:02:34,199 --> 01:02:36,840
Speaker 1: And there's not like a specific archetype. It's just we

1361
01:02:36,920 --> 01:02:41,639
need okay love it. Is there anything about this team,

1362
01:02:41,679 --> 01:02:45,079
any one on this team, storyline, development, strength, weakness, concerned whatever,

1363
01:02:45,199 --> 01:02:47,800
that we have not touched upon that's flying under the

1364
01:02:47,920 --> 01:02:50,079
radar that you think deserves more attension.

1365
01:02:50,559 --> 01:02:52,320
Speaker 2: God, I feel like we I feel like I talked

1366
01:02:52,320 --> 01:02:54,599
for three hours in this hour podcast.

1367
01:02:54,639 --> 01:02:58,000
Speaker 3: I don't know what what we've not touched on here.

1368
01:03:00,639 --> 01:03:04,920
I mean we really did think getting warmer. Oh that's okay,

1369
01:03:04,960 --> 01:03:07,920
you're way to trigger me. Uh yeah.

1370
01:03:07,960 --> 01:03:10,360
Speaker 2: We haven't talked about how insane it is that Steve

1371
01:03:10,440 --> 01:03:12,599
Kerr catches as much flak as he does, whether it's

1372
01:03:12,599 --> 01:03:16,679
the Olympics, or whether it's his rotation decisions, whether it's

1373
01:03:16,719 --> 01:03:19,280
like seemingly not getting coming in there as soon as

1374
01:03:19,280 --> 01:03:22,480
he should have last year, the moody stuff. Show me

1375
01:03:22,519 --> 01:03:24,920
the coach that's gonna get you four titles in a decade,

1376
01:03:24,960 --> 01:03:27,039
or show me the guy who's getting you five or six.

1377
01:03:27,559 --> 01:03:30,920
And I will listen to your Steve Kerr criticisms, because

1378
01:03:31,199 --> 01:03:35,159
to fixate on the rotation stuff and the other things

1379
01:03:35,639 --> 01:03:38,519
at the cost of like, think of the personalities this

1380
01:03:38,599 --> 01:03:41,039
guy has had to manage, and think of the stressful

1381
01:03:41,079 --> 01:03:43,559
situations he's had to navigate. Think of all the other

1382
01:03:43,639 --> 01:03:46,079
coaching stuff that we just take for granted that he

1383
01:03:46,119 --> 01:03:49,119
has excelled at that no one else I posit could

1384
01:03:49,159 --> 01:03:52,559
have done as well at and just just like, let's

1385
01:03:52,599 --> 01:03:54,559
just not pretend that it's all about like how much

1386
01:03:54,599 --> 01:03:56,800
Moses Moody is playing and like that's what we're judging

1387
01:03:56,840 --> 01:03:58,599
a coach on, or like was Jason Tatum on the

1388
01:03:58,639 --> 01:04:00,880
bench all the time and the global metal run I

1389
01:04:00,920 --> 01:04:02,639
don't gold.

1390
01:04:02,920 --> 01:04:05,360
Speaker 1: I had to earn him some goodwill among Warriors fans, right,

1391
01:04:05,400 --> 01:04:09,000
pissing off all the Celtics fans. Yeah, sure that.

1392
01:04:09,679 --> 01:04:11,360
Speaker 2: Was Yeah, I'm sure Tatum was the best player in

1393
01:04:11,400 --> 01:04:13,599
practice and kurr just was trying to be as petty

1394
01:04:13,639 --> 01:04:14,239
as possible.

1395
01:04:14,599 --> 01:04:15,559
Speaker 3: Uh yeah, no, thank you.

1396
01:04:15,599 --> 01:04:17,760
Speaker 2: That is what we haven't discussed enough, is I am

1397
01:04:17,760 --> 01:04:20,920
in Steve Kurrz corner and you should be too, unless

1398
01:04:20,960 --> 01:04:22,760
you can show me the head coach that would have

1399
01:04:22,800 --> 01:04:25,639
done better than him with all the difficulties of the best.

1400
01:04:25,880 --> 01:04:27,840
Speaker 1: Here's the thing, how many titles would they have if

1401
01:04:27,920 --> 01:04:30,519
Moses Moody was already part of the rotation, like eight

1402
01:04:30,599 --> 01:04:33,519
or nine probably is to hear some people firing right

1403
01:04:33,519 --> 01:04:36,320
there the top when you're looking at if we had

1404
01:04:36,320 --> 01:04:38,920
to shrink shrink the rotation down to ten, looking at

1405
01:04:38,920 --> 01:04:41,239
their top ten most played players by the end of

1406
01:04:41,280 --> 01:04:44,159
the season, I weirdly think they have nine locks. So

1407
01:04:44,199 --> 01:04:45,840
I'm gonna go through those very quickly. You could tell

1408
01:04:45,840 --> 01:04:52,039
me if you wouldn't include anyone. I have Steph Melton, Wiggins, Kaminga, Green, Pods,

1409
01:04:52,280 --> 01:04:55,920
Heeled Slow Mo, and TJD. Those all feel like guys

1410
01:04:55,960 --> 01:04:57,599
who are going to be in the meat and potatoes

1411
01:04:57,599 --> 01:04:58,159
of the rotation.

1412
01:05:00,119 --> 01:05:03,119
Speaker 3: I think you gotta add Moody, like.

1413
01:05:03,679 --> 01:05:06,840
Speaker 1: It's just okay, no GP two, Kevon Looney kind of

1414
01:05:06,840 --> 01:05:09,840
on the outside looking in. No Lindy Waters, which is

1415
01:05:09,880 --> 01:05:13,159
not too controversial, but it's they're like kind of a

1416
01:05:13,360 --> 01:05:16,119
hybrid between the Rockets and the Blazers at this point,

1417
01:05:16,199 --> 01:05:18,159
like because they're good, but they're not good enough. But

1418
01:05:18,159 --> 01:05:20,840
they're basically stacked at every position. They have some developmental

1419
01:05:20,920 --> 01:05:24,280
prospects going on here, some nice veterans going on there.

1420
01:05:25,559 --> 01:05:28,199
Speaker 2: I do think so GP two is someone that just

1421
01:05:28,239 --> 01:05:30,559
has never stayed healthy. So I think I think like

1422
01:05:30,800 --> 01:05:32,599
you can just sort of put him on the periphery,

1423
01:05:32,639 --> 01:05:35,480
like there'll be nights where he plays, but there'll be

1424
01:05:35,559 --> 01:05:37,360
weeks at a time where he doesn't and that'll be

1425
01:05:37,360 --> 01:05:40,519
because of injury or whatever. And frankly, because I think

1426
01:05:40,599 --> 01:05:43,079
Melton gives you a little bit of what GP two

1427
01:05:43,199 --> 01:05:45,360
does and then some with the shooting and the ball

1428
01:05:45,360 --> 01:05:48,239
handling and stuff. And then Looney is another guy that

1429
01:05:48,840 --> 01:05:51,800
I could just see kind of being more of a bench,

1430
01:05:51,920 --> 01:05:54,719
you know, deep bench player, just because that's somebody has

1431
01:05:54,760 --> 01:05:58,280
to be and why yeah, what we love Lindy Waters,

1432
01:05:58,320 --> 01:06:00,559
We've established it, but he's also I think the outside.

1433
01:06:00,599 --> 01:06:02,679
So we're down, we're If we throw Moody in there,

1434
01:06:02,679 --> 01:06:05,880
that's ten guys and then you're just talking about injuries

1435
01:06:06,639 --> 01:06:09,679
making some decisions for you night tonight or week to week,

1436
01:06:09,719 --> 01:06:13,159
which is like I think, you know, you'd love to

1437
01:06:13,199 --> 01:06:15,519
have a everybody would love to be, you know, in

1438
01:06:15,639 --> 01:06:18,840
Boston situation where they're went healthy, clear top six and

1439
01:06:18,880 --> 01:06:20,440
you got two or three guys after that, you got

1440
01:06:20,440 --> 01:06:24,559
your Houser, Prichard, Cornette or Tillman, whatever. The Worriors just

1441
01:06:24,599 --> 01:06:27,639
aren't that team. Their rotation is going to be like

1442
01:06:27,760 --> 01:06:31,159
too deep. I think some people will say.

1443
01:06:30,280 --> 01:06:32,800
Speaker 1: What would you guess this will be? To some extent,

1444
01:06:32,840 --> 01:06:35,400
Matt actually sticking with the road to for a second.

1445
01:06:35,480 --> 01:06:37,360
So if Kevon Looney is on the outside looking in,

1446
01:06:37,440 --> 01:06:39,679
we're gearing up for a lot of Draymond at the

1447
01:06:39,679 --> 01:06:43,840
five then and probably that yeah, Kyle Anderson the five.

1448
01:06:43,880 --> 01:06:45,599
So like this team is going to be small. They're

1449
01:06:45,639 --> 01:06:47,719
gonna be small anyway, but like they don't at least

1450
01:06:47,760 --> 01:06:49,719
tj D and Kabon Mooney or what you would consider

1451
01:06:49,840 --> 01:06:50,400
true biggs.

1452
01:06:50,599 --> 01:06:52,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I think that's.

1453
01:06:52,320 --> 01:06:54,199
Speaker 2: I think that's what else are they gonna do, even

1454
01:06:54,239 --> 01:06:56,719
loose at the hunder size, Like that's.

1455
01:06:57,000 --> 01:07:00,239
Speaker 1: They're just considered like him and tj D. They're true

1456
01:07:00,280 --> 01:07:03,400
bigs in my mind. But yeah, yeah, you're right. What

1457
01:07:03,639 --> 01:07:06,320
should be this team's most used or their go to

1458
01:07:06,480 --> 01:07:07,639
crunch time unit?

1459
01:07:09,280 --> 01:07:11,719
Speaker 2: Well, we can, at least for this one, we can

1460
01:07:11,800 --> 01:07:14,880
just say Draymond's the center and just dispense with the

1461
01:07:14,880 --> 01:07:17,840
conventional center because that just is what they do. So

1462
01:07:17,960 --> 01:07:21,440
I think it's if it were me, I'm going Steph

1463
01:07:21,880 --> 01:07:27,599
Pajemski Wiggins kaminga Draymond is my closing five most nights

1464
01:07:28,000 --> 01:07:31,840
and the Wiggans spot to me, is more negotiable than

1465
01:07:31,880 --> 01:07:34,599
the Pajemski one, just depending on how much you think

1466
01:07:34,639 --> 01:07:38,079
you need that defense, because you can put better offensive

1467
01:07:38,079 --> 01:07:40,079
players on the floor than Wiggins, like full there's like

1468
01:07:40,159 --> 01:07:41,880
three guys you could put out there that would be

1469
01:07:41,920 --> 01:07:43,000
more helpful offensively.

1470
01:07:44,280 --> 01:07:46,320
Speaker 1: Who would be? So of the players that you didn't

1471
01:07:46,320 --> 01:07:47,800
put in there, like, who would be? And by the way,

1472
01:07:47,800 --> 01:07:50,280
the lineup you mentioned was a plus twelve point five

1473
01:07:50,320 --> 01:07:53,199
points per one hundred possession last year, top notch offensive

1474
01:07:53,199 --> 01:07:56,719
and defensive ratings. They also just played under five hundred possessions.

1475
01:07:56,800 --> 01:07:59,079
But who's kind of the toughest cut or like on

1476
01:07:59,159 --> 01:08:01,079
the outside looking at it, the player you considered a

1477
01:08:01,079 --> 01:08:03,320
sub in most for Wiggins or someone else.

1478
01:08:03,800 --> 01:08:06,079
Speaker 2: I mean, depending on the size of the opposition, Like

1479
01:08:06,239 --> 01:08:10,079
Melton is a tough cut, and then as is Moody

1480
01:08:10,639 --> 01:08:13,719
at this point because he's just played better than almost

1481
01:08:13,719 --> 01:08:18,920
anybody in the preseason. Yeah, I think those those are

1482
01:08:18,960 --> 01:08:21,199
it because you might say Healed, but I just I

1483
01:08:21,319 --> 01:08:24,960
don't know that. I there's gonna be a real need

1484
01:08:25,000 --> 01:08:27,239
to have Healed out there as a closer just because

1485
01:08:27,239 --> 01:08:30,119
of the defensive give back and they're small, so they're

1486
01:08:30,159 --> 01:08:32,439
gonna have good spacing and offense, so you don't necessarily

1487
01:08:32,439 --> 01:08:35,319
need healed to be like the game breaking offensive force

1488
01:08:35,399 --> 01:08:38,199
that he could be, you know, in the second in

1489
01:08:38,399 --> 01:08:40,920
in the first six minutes of the second quarter or

1490
01:08:40,960 --> 01:08:42,079
whatever like that kind of thing.

1491
01:08:42,960 --> 01:08:45,800
Speaker 1: Is there a weirdoh funky lineup you would like to

1492
01:08:45,800 --> 01:08:46,640
see them roll out?

1493
01:08:47,319 --> 01:08:49,720
Speaker 3: I have? They have so many possibilities.

1494
01:08:50,199 --> 01:08:53,199
Speaker 2: Honestly, I did not think we would ever get a

1495
01:08:53,239 --> 01:08:55,680
Wiggins at the two and you know, and then super

1496
01:08:55,760 --> 01:08:58,159
jumbo lineup that you mentioned earlier that they tried it

1497
01:08:58,159 --> 01:09:01,640
out in the preseason. I kind of love the idea

1498
01:09:01,680 --> 01:09:04,439
of that, though, if you so, let's let's subut.

1499
01:09:04,000 --> 01:09:06,000
Speaker 1: Steph, throw Kyle Anderson in there, and then make it

1500
01:09:06,079 --> 01:09:08,760
well five five jumbo. I'm not ready to.

1501
01:09:08,680 --> 01:09:10,279
Speaker 2: Go that far, but I'm trying to think of, like,

1502
01:09:10,680 --> 01:09:14,840
what is the most jumbo rangey unit you could put

1503
01:09:14,840 --> 01:09:19,159
around Steph. So, because they went with Wiggins, Kaminga, Draymond

1504
01:09:19,159 --> 01:09:25,680
and TJD, I wonder if you could go Steph Wiggins, Kaminga,

1505
01:09:26,039 --> 01:09:31,000
and then like Anderson and Draymond just to have five

1506
01:09:31,279 --> 01:09:34,880
like power forward sized dudes that can guard five, four

1507
01:09:34,960 --> 01:09:35,840
or five positions.

1508
01:09:36,239 --> 01:09:36,880
Speaker 3: I don't know.

1509
01:09:36,920 --> 01:09:39,279
Speaker 2: There's no shooting there, but that would be fun to

1510
01:09:39,720 --> 01:09:42,279
just switch everything except who Steph was guarding.

1511
01:09:43,039 --> 01:09:47,199
Speaker 1: I want to see slow Mo surrounded just by like

1512
01:09:47,479 --> 01:09:52,279
chaotic shooting. Oh so Buddy Heeled, Lindy Waters, Moses Moody.

1513
01:09:52,800 --> 01:09:55,279
I guess that's we could throw Steph in there if

1514
01:09:55,279 --> 01:09:57,000
we wanted to, but it would probably have to be

1515
01:09:57,039 --> 01:09:58,920
I'm trying to think, like who would be the next best,

1516
01:09:59,000 --> 01:10:01,920
Like maybe Melton just because they're defense and some shooting there,

1517
01:10:01,920 --> 01:10:04,359
but like it has to be slow Mo plus Waters,

1518
01:10:04,439 --> 01:10:07,079
Moody and and Healed, and then you can fill out

1519
01:10:07,079 --> 01:10:08,840
the fifth spot with I would personally, I would love

1520
01:10:08,880 --> 01:10:10,279
to see stuff in that, but then you are so

1521
01:10:10,439 --> 01:10:12,920
tiny and the defense is probably so with Melton, you're

1522
01:10:12,920 --> 01:10:15,920
still small, but there's more just perimeter juice there.

1523
01:10:16,119 --> 01:10:16,600
Speaker 3: You could do.

1524
01:10:17,079 --> 01:10:19,920
Speaker 2: You could get really weird with just a defense first lineup.

1525
01:10:19,960 --> 01:10:28,000
If you throw like Melton, Peyton, Wiggins, Draymond and Anderson,

1526
01:10:28,560 --> 01:10:32,159
which actually like there's no shooting there at all, but

1527
01:10:32,560 --> 01:10:33,479
everybody can guard.

1528
01:10:33,520 --> 01:10:35,119
Speaker 3: You might have to like sneak pajem.

1529
01:10:34,880 --> 01:10:38,039
Speaker 2: Ski in there potentially, but you could put some real

1530
01:10:38,600 --> 01:10:42,399
like just five plus plus defenders on the floor if

1531
01:10:42,439 --> 01:10:43,000
you wanted to.

1532
01:10:43,199 --> 01:10:44,680
Speaker 3: Not sure you would want to, but you could.

1533
01:10:45,199 --> 01:10:48,880
Speaker 1: This team does have weird lineup potential as the default

1534
01:10:49,319 --> 01:10:51,920
like possibilities to wear because they're so small.

1535
01:10:52,399 --> 01:10:56,600
Speaker 3: They're so small, and they just have like I mean,

1536
01:10:56,640 --> 01:10:57,319
it's really.

1537
01:10:57,159 --> 01:10:59,760
Speaker 2: Part of what we've been like just talking about throughout

1538
01:10:59,800 --> 01:11:02,760
this look ahead of just like it's just you can

1539
01:11:03,000 --> 01:11:05,840
do so many different things lineup wise, and it's not

1540
01:11:06,000 --> 01:11:09,560
clear like, oh yet what it should look like because

1541
01:11:09,600 --> 01:11:12,000
they have we as we've said, thirteen guys that you

1542
01:11:12,000 --> 01:11:13,000
could justify playing.

1543
01:11:13,800 --> 01:11:16,439
Speaker 1: As we record this, they're over under a set at

1544
01:11:16,479 --> 01:11:18,560
forty three and a half. How many games is this

1545
01:11:18,600 --> 01:11:19,119
team winning?

1546
01:11:20,039 --> 01:11:20,319
Speaker 3: Man?

1547
01:11:20,439 --> 01:11:22,920
Speaker 2: We just did our over underpod and I can't remember

1548
01:11:22,920 --> 01:11:25,279
what I said. I think I went over, but.

1549
01:11:25,279 --> 01:11:25,920
Speaker 3: I'm not sure.

1550
01:11:26,319 --> 01:11:26,800
Speaker 1: Shocker.

1551
01:11:27,399 --> 01:11:29,920
Speaker 3: I think here's the problem.

1552
01:11:29,960 --> 01:11:32,760
Speaker 2: The preseason has really affected my opinion, and I know

1553
01:11:32,840 --> 01:11:33,800
how stupid that is.

1554
01:11:35,079 --> 01:11:36,239
Speaker 3: I think they're going over that.

1555
01:11:36,880 --> 01:11:40,279
Speaker 2: I'll just say, and this will probably differ from what

1556
01:11:40,319 --> 01:11:42,600
we did on the over underpod, but I'm gonna give

1557
01:11:42,680 --> 01:11:43,439
them forty six.

1558
01:11:43,479 --> 01:11:45,600
Speaker 3: I'm gonna give them forty six wins.

1559
01:11:46,399 --> 01:11:50,159
Speaker 1: How many teams are you prepared to say or which

1560
01:11:50,199 --> 01:11:53,119
teams are you prepared to say, are you guarantee will

1561
01:11:53,159 --> 01:11:55,560
be better than them?

1562
01:11:55,600 --> 01:11:56,479
Speaker 3: Definitely better?

1563
01:11:57,119 --> 01:12:02,479
Speaker 2: Okasee, Dallas, Denver, Minnesota, just talking regular season finish right right?

1564
01:12:04,560 --> 01:12:06,039
Speaker 1: Is that you have to.

1565
01:12:06,039 --> 01:12:11,720
Speaker 2: Put Phoenix in there? And then who am I missing somebody?

1566
01:12:11,840 --> 01:12:13,439
Because now we're down to have.

1567
01:12:13,560 --> 01:12:15,000
Speaker 1: You're pretty high on Memphis.

1568
01:12:15,479 --> 01:12:19,880
Speaker 2: Traditionally Memphis, there's never prepared to guarantee Memphis is better.

1569
01:12:20,359 --> 01:12:22,199
Speaker 1: I'm not even sure I could do that with Phoenix

1570
01:12:22,279 --> 01:12:26,640
because I just feel like there's potential for disgruntled stars

1571
01:12:26,640 --> 01:12:28,720
there for sure. But I'm just curious to see how

1572
01:12:28,720 --> 01:12:31,039
it all kind of comes together where Okay, you have

1573
01:12:31,079 --> 01:12:33,640
Bradley Bald, Devin Booker, and Kevin Durant and you added

1574
01:12:33,680 --> 01:12:37,399
another ball handler in Tyas Jones. So I feel like

1575
01:12:37,399 --> 01:12:40,239
the teams I'm only prepared and this is not I'm

1576
01:12:40,239 --> 01:12:41,880
super high on the Warrior, so I think I went

1577
01:12:41,960 --> 01:12:44,239
under on the forty three and a half number. FYI,

1578
01:12:44,520 --> 01:12:47,199
But if you're asking me to guarantee right now, how

1579
01:12:47,199 --> 01:12:49,000
many teams in the West I think are better than them?

1580
01:12:49,039 --> 01:12:51,439
And this is probably the case for any team that's

1581
01:12:51,439 --> 01:12:54,439
not these four. Is just I have Dallas, Minnesota, Denver,

1582
01:12:54,880 --> 01:12:58,000
and OKAC. There's probably different tiers within them. But those

1583
01:12:58,039 --> 01:12:59,680
are the four teams that I have and sort of

1584
01:13:00,439 --> 01:13:02,199
like that's my top four in the West. And then

1585
01:13:02,239 --> 01:13:05,720
you could tell me basically short of Portland or Utah

1586
01:13:05,760 --> 01:13:08,800
finishing fifth, you can tell me any other team finishes fifth,

1587
01:13:08,800 --> 01:13:09,840
and I probably believe you.

1588
01:13:10,279 --> 01:13:11,199
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think, I know.

1589
01:13:11,279 --> 01:13:15,720
Speaker 2: I think like guarantee, like Capital g guarantee, it's those four.

1590
01:13:16,359 --> 01:13:18,720
Speaker 3: They're definitely our case. I mean, that's the thing if.

1591
01:13:18,800 --> 01:13:22,760
Speaker 2: If you're gonna have a debate about the Memphis and Phoenixes,

1592
01:13:22,800 --> 01:13:24,600
like I think, we start talking about the Kings and

1593
01:13:24,680 --> 01:13:27,640
Lakers and Rockets, and then well what about the Spurs,

1594
01:13:27,680 --> 01:13:30,760
Like it's it's equally hard to guarantee the Warriors will

1595
01:13:30,760 --> 01:13:33,760
be better than all of those teams. They're just in

1596
01:13:33,840 --> 01:13:37,800
that big mix from I guess you could say five

1597
01:13:37,920 --> 01:13:41,119
to twelve or thirteen in the conference.

1598
01:13:41,520 --> 01:13:43,439
Speaker 1: I will say, though, and this is counter two to

1599
01:13:43,520 --> 01:13:45,039
what I just said, I don't know if I view

1600
01:13:45,079 --> 01:13:47,119
them as someone who can party crash the top four

1601
01:13:47,159 --> 01:13:49,000
where it's like if you told me New Orleans or

1602
01:13:49,000 --> 01:13:53,039
even Sacramento or Memphis the Phoenix of course, if those

1603
01:13:53,079 --> 01:13:54,760
teams ended up third, like one of those teams that

1604
01:13:54,920 --> 01:13:57,840
up third or something. It's easier for myself. It's easier

1605
01:13:57,880 --> 01:14:01,039
for me to talk myself into that outcome for most

1606
01:14:01,079 --> 01:14:02,680
of them than it is for the Warriors.

1607
01:14:02,840 --> 01:14:04,399
Speaker 3: I think that's right. I think that's right.

1608
01:14:04,439 --> 01:14:06,880
Speaker 2: I also think it's harder to see the bottom falling

1609
01:14:06,880 --> 01:14:10,079
out for the Warriors than it is for like, say,

1610
01:14:10,199 --> 01:14:13,199
I don't know New Orleans of Zion's hurd, or like

1611
01:14:13,479 --> 01:14:14,039
the Clippers.

1612
01:14:14,039 --> 01:14:16,359
Speaker 3: Obviously the bottom is expected to fall out.

1613
01:14:16,479 --> 01:14:19,760
Speaker 2: Is that over undertotal just keeps keep slipping as the

1614
01:14:19,800 --> 01:14:22,560
weeks go by, just because of the depth. I think

1615
01:14:22,560 --> 01:14:27,840
they'll have like functional NBA level depth all season unless

1616
01:14:27,880 --> 01:14:32,159
just everybody gets hurt and Draymond gets suspended. Whereas, like

1617
01:14:32,199 --> 01:14:36,640
I see, I see more downside potential even for you know,

1618
01:14:36,720 --> 01:14:39,640
obviously the Lakers, I don't know. The Warriors are very

1619
01:14:39,680 --> 01:14:45,920
like it's it's they have so many guys that are

1620
01:14:46,479 --> 01:14:49,680
okay to good and they just don't have and they

1621
01:14:49,720 --> 01:14:52,039
don't have any almost anybody that's god awful, and they

1622
01:14:52,039 --> 01:14:54,520
don't have one guy that's great, and it's just like,

1623
01:14:54,640 --> 01:14:56,840
I don't know what that gets you guarantee.

1624
01:14:56,399 --> 01:15:00,720
Speaker 1: Wise, Lebron James trade de mend midseasons coming or that

1625
01:15:00,720 --> 01:15:05,359
would help. Is there anything we have not discussed related

1626
01:15:05,359 --> 01:15:07,279
to the twenty four to twenty five Golden State Warriors

1627
01:15:07,319 --> 01:15:08,880
you would like to get off your chest before I

1628
01:15:08,960 --> 01:15:11,159
let you the guest Skadado.

1629
01:15:11,760 --> 01:15:12,079
Speaker 3: Hmmm.

1630
01:15:14,560 --> 01:15:17,640
Speaker 2: I think we covered pretty much everything. I'm trying to think,

1631
01:15:17,720 --> 01:15:20,479
like we hit the Yeah, no, I don't.

1632
01:15:20,560 --> 01:15:22,279
Speaker 3: I think that's about it. You got me on, you

1633
01:15:22,319 --> 01:15:23,119
got me to go on the.

1634
01:15:23,039 --> 01:15:28,479
Speaker 2: Steve kerjag, So I appreciate that. I mean, maybe maybe

1635
01:15:28,520 --> 01:15:32,119
what we haven't discussed that's a little uncomfortable to discuss

1636
01:15:32,239 --> 01:15:34,840
is like this could just be the year that Steph

1637
01:15:35,399 --> 01:15:39,119
is not a top twenty five guy and then where

1638
01:15:39,159 --> 01:15:39,439
are you?

1639
01:15:40,119 --> 01:15:42,560
Speaker 1: That's that's a Steve because I think you could say,

1640
01:15:42,560 --> 01:15:46,279
when he's healthy, he's still decidedly top ten or twelve, right,

1641
01:15:46,279 --> 01:15:48,760
like he's still in the All NBA discussion. So falling

1642
01:15:48,880 --> 01:15:51,399
even to twenty fifth would be a pretty massive drops.

1643
01:15:51,880 --> 01:15:53,800
Speaker 2: Well, that's what I mean, Like all the upside we're

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talking about and stuff like that's gone. If Steph isn't,

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you know, for sixty five games at least as good

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as last year.

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Speaker 1: And we didn't talk about this, maybe enough as that

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and this is part of the why they might want

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to shoot a lot of threes that they're not necessarily

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01:16:08,119 --> 01:16:10,880
like teaming with offensive talent. They have guys who are

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01:16:10,880 --> 01:16:12,720
going to be But it's when you look at this team,

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01:16:12,760 --> 01:16:14,960
I think, if correct me, if I'm wrong, you would

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01:16:14,960 --> 01:16:18,439
predict that they end up having a better defensive rating

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01:16:18,479 --> 01:16:20,960
than offensive rating. You're gonna rank higher on the defensive

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01:16:20,960 --> 01:16:22,359
scale than the offensive scale.

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Speaker 2: Man, if they're gonna shoot threes like this, I'm not

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01:16:25,520 --> 01:16:26,439
sure I would say.

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01:16:26,680 --> 01:16:29,359
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, we also have Kylee Anderson shooting fifty

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01:16:29,399 --> 01:16:31,159
five point six three or whatever it's.

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Speaker 3: You don't think that's gonna hold up.

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Speaker 1: Uh maybe on the number of attempts he's taking him brats.

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01:16:36,680 --> 01:16:41,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, I I don't know. I think I could

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see the offense just they could just be mathing the

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offense correctly and be you know, seventh, sixth, seventh, eighth

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01:16:49,000 --> 01:16:52,359
in offense, maybe higher. I mean that's the thing as

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01:16:52,359 --> 01:16:54,199
we're talking about it, like you can see ways to

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them being very good on both ends.

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Speaker 3: I just like it's it's possible. To me.

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01:16:59,159 --> 01:17:01,560
Speaker 1: It just feels like more needs to go right beyond

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steph for the offense to be elite than it does

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01:17:04,000 --> 01:17:07,760
for the defense, which obviously, yeah, include Stephan that to

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01:17:07,840 --> 01:17:09,600
be elite, Like it feels like there's more of a

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because even like the worst, like the version of Andrew Wiggins,

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they've gotten the past couple of seasons, like there have

1675
01:17:15,159 --> 01:17:16,960
been lineups where he's done fine defense.

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Speaker 2: Surely, yeah, And I mean, I guess to be consistent

1677
01:17:20,439 --> 01:17:22,800
if we're if I'm gonna keep banging the drum off,

1678
01:17:22,800 --> 01:17:24,960
they need a second star. Like I'm not talking about

1679
01:17:24,960 --> 01:17:28,039
like an all defensive candidate. I'm talking about a guy

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01:17:28,079 --> 01:17:31,319
that's gonna create shots and score and you know, a

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01:17:31,640 --> 01:17:34,920
be an alpha type option. So obviously obviously the offense

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01:17:35,000 --> 01:17:36,199
is a little more fragile.

1683
01:17:36,600 --> 01:17:38,079
Speaker 1: I guess the thing we also didn't talk about. I

1684
01:17:38,079 --> 01:17:41,119
have wondered is would they make an upkeep, like slight

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01:17:41,199 --> 01:17:43,000
upgrade trade where it's, hey, you're not getting any of

1686
01:17:43,000 --> 01:17:45,039
our young guys or even a first round pick. But

1687
01:17:45,560 --> 01:17:47,840
let's say R W three is healthy. Maybe you don't

1688
01:17:47,880 --> 01:17:49,920
want him because you say, oh we have TJD and

1689
01:17:49,960 --> 01:17:51,760
we have Draymond. We don't need him. But just where

1690
01:17:51,760 --> 01:17:55,479
it's someone there's an opportunity to get someone without giving

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01:17:55,560 --> 01:17:57,359
up like any of your core at like maybe even

1692
01:17:57,439 --> 01:17:59,960
let's let's say Moses Moody isn't considered a core asset

1693
01:18:00,039 --> 01:18:02,159
by them at this point. Who knows what they consider him.

1694
01:18:02,399 --> 01:18:05,199
But you're able to do something where it's salary and

1695
01:18:05,319 --> 01:18:09,720
something like that to make a visible upgrade of your rotation,

1696
01:18:09,760 --> 01:18:11,960
but it's nowhere. It's not your second, third, or fourth

1697
01:18:12,039 --> 01:18:13,199
best player coming.

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01:18:12,920 --> 01:18:16,600
Speaker 2: In sure, I mean, and really, like, you know, actually,

1699
01:18:16,760 --> 01:18:19,279
kudos to us for not actually saying I don't think

1700
01:18:19,279 --> 01:18:23,079
we did say the words consolidation trade, because like, anytime

1701
01:18:23,119 --> 01:18:25,079
a team is deep, it's like, well, why don't they

1702
01:18:25,119 --> 01:18:27,279
just trade like three decent guys for a great one.

1703
01:18:27,279 --> 01:18:29,239
Speaker 3: It's like, because it doesn't ever work that way.

1704
01:18:30,279 --> 01:18:33,199
Speaker 2: But yeah, I do think, I mean, really, if we're

1705
01:18:33,319 --> 01:18:37,039
gonna be you know, rational about it, it's more likely

1706
01:18:37,039 --> 01:18:39,600
that a trade like the one you're talking about happens

1707
01:18:39,640 --> 01:18:43,239
than the superstar trade, just because they have the salaries

1708
01:18:43,279 --> 01:18:46,600
to do it and they have the decent like pick

1709
01:18:46,640 --> 01:18:49,720
equity where they can spare a good second.

1710
01:18:49,560 --> 01:18:52,680
Speaker 1: Or I do find myself getting falling into the trapic wolf,

1711
01:18:52,680 --> 01:18:56,039
you're gonna give up one first round pick and you're

1712
01:18:56,079 --> 01:18:58,039
like no, falling off into the distance, was like, well,

1713
01:18:58,159 --> 01:19:00,119
what are we doing here like you're only it's kind

1714
01:19:00,159 --> 01:19:01,399
of like the la We've talked about this a lot

1715
01:19:01,399 --> 01:19:03,239
with the Lakers, where it's why would you only give

1716
01:19:03,319 --> 01:19:05,359
up blank in one first round? Like you might as

1717
01:19:05,359 --> 01:19:07,359
well just go all in and get someone better. So

1718
01:19:07,399 --> 01:19:09,239
that's why I have a tougher time scoring away where

1719
01:19:09,520 --> 01:19:11,560
I don't trust that they're going to make the nuclear move.

1720
01:19:12,000 --> 01:19:13,960
But I feel like if we're talking about someone who

1721
01:19:14,079 --> 01:19:17,079
might crack their closing lineup with their top six, if

1722
01:19:17,119 --> 01:19:18,720
that's the level of the trade, I think they're more

1723
01:19:18,800 --> 01:19:20,800
likely to go nuclear than to be like, well, we'll

1724
01:19:20,800 --> 01:19:23,039
give you one first round pick plus this salary for

1725
01:19:23,600 --> 01:19:24,279
player X.

1726
01:19:24,600 --> 01:19:26,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it depends on what's available, right, like,

1727
01:19:26,960 --> 01:19:30,479
because we know the Robert Williams is and once he's healthy,

1728
01:19:30,479 --> 01:19:35,560
the Brogden's and Kyle Kuzma's and like you know, Grant Williams,

1729
01:19:35,600 --> 01:19:37,880
like all these all those types of guys are.

1730
01:19:37,800 --> 01:19:38,960
Speaker 3: Gonna be available.

1731
01:19:39,000 --> 01:19:41,479
Speaker 2: And then then it's but then we're back to like, well,

1732
01:19:41,520 --> 01:19:44,520
how much better to any of them make an already

1733
01:19:44,560 --> 01:19:47,840
deep Warriors team. It's just but they'll be available. That's

1734
01:19:47,880 --> 01:19:50,920
the difference is we don't like, we don't know that

1735
01:19:51,039 --> 01:19:53,640
any like all Stark Caliber player is going to be available.

1736
01:19:55,000 --> 01:19:57,640
Speaker 1: Grant, this was fantastic. You're able just to tell our

1737
01:19:57,680 --> 01:19:59,600
listeners where they can find you and all the.

1738
01:20:01,479 --> 01:20:03,800
Speaker 3: Hear I guess like this is where I do most

1739
01:20:03,840 --> 01:20:08,000
of my talking. Uh yeah, I don't know. That's that's

1740
01:20:08,000 --> 01:20:11,279
it pretty much. You could follow me at GT Underscore Hughes.

1741
01:20:11,520 --> 01:20:14,279
Speaker 2: Really what you should do is just follow Dan uh

1742
01:20:14,479 --> 01:20:16,319
at dan fa Valley podcast.

1743
01:20:16,439 --> 01:20:19,920
Speaker 3: Dude, I was getting there. You can listen to hard

1744
01:20:19,920 --> 01:20:20,319
on Knox.

1745
01:20:20,439 --> 01:20:22,199
Speaker 2: Should I just do my outro where I say, all

1746
01:20:22,199 --> 01:20:25,239
the rate reviews, subscribe, comment on YouTube, help the algorithm,

1747
01:20:25,279 --> 01:20:26,920
love us back discord.

1748
01:20:26,920 --> 01:20:29,079
Speaker 1: We're going to appreciate this bit as much as you

1749
01:20:29,159 --> 01:20:30,319
and I, which is really.

1750
01:20:32,039 --> 01:20:34,319
Speaker 2: I mean, all the all the lookheads can't be exactly

1751
01:20:34,359 --> 01:20:37,920
the same. So yeah, you know, fall if you haven't, like,

1752
01:20:38,279 --> 01:20:40,560
if you're listening to this or watching it and you

1753
01:20:40,600 --> 01:20:44,279
haven't subscribed to wherever you get your podcasts or on YouTube, like,

1754
01:20:44,720 --> 01:20:45,600
I don't know what to tell you?

1755
01:20:45,920 --> 01:20:46,840
Speaker 3: Uh do that?

1756
01:20:46,880 --> 01:20:48,960
Speaker 1: I mean, I will tell you from our YouTube. I won't.

1757
01:20:49,079 --> 01:20:53,000
We don't the guests don't care. Ninety percent of our

1758
01:20:53,039 --> 01:20:56,199
YouTube views per month people who are not subscribed to us,

1759
01:20:56,279 --> 01:21:00,720
So if you've watched us, subscribe to us. Yeah, and like.

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01:21:00,840 --> 01:21:04,000
Speaker 2: Thanks, I guess, but like a lesser thanks to you

1761
01:21:04,199 --> 01:21:06,079
than anyone who's actually subscribed.

1762
01:21:06,680 --> 01:21:08,920
Speaker 1: Also, this is now traditionally the time where the guests

1763
01:21:08,920 --> 01:21:11,199
say something nice about how good of an interviewer.

1764
01:21:11,399 --> 01:21:15,880
Speaker 3: I oh, okay, noted, but.

1765
01:21:17,079 --> 01:21:18,600
Speaker 1: That's out of here for real though, so that we

1766
01:21:18,600 --> 01:21:21,520
can let every eighty plus minutes of Warriors talk.

1767
01:21:21,760 --> 01:21:23,039
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's what the people wanted.

1768
01:21:23,359 --> 01:21:24,840
Speaker 2: You did do a good job, I will say, and

1769
01:21:24,840 --> 01:21:28,159
everybody always says this, but like the outline you put

1770
01:21:28,159 --> 01:21:31,439
together for this is ridiculous, like the because you know

1771
01:21:31,560 --> 01:21:33,680
the answers to most of the questions you're going to ask,

1772
01:21:33,840 --> 01:21:35,840
and it's just a lot of work. So I do

1773
01:21:35,880 --> 01:21:39,079
appreciate that, even though I, you know, for this team,

1774
01:21:39,119 --> 01:21:40,880
I didn't need a whole lot of prep. But and

1775
01:21:40,920 --> 01:21:44,239
hopefully that's not obvious based on the level of depth

1776
01:21:44,239 --> 01:21:44,840
of my answers.

1777
01:21:44,960 --> 01:21:47,239
Speaker 1: No, this was great. Like I said, this was the

1778
01:21:47,279 --> 01:21:50,319
team I wasn't worried about waiting until the end because

1779
01:21:50,319 --> 01:21:54,039
we have you, so that's a luxury that don't so sucking.

1780
01:21:54,520 --> 01:21:57,439
Speaker 2: I'm I'm worried about them because they're too deep and

1781
01:21:57,479 --> 01:22:01,119
there's nobody that's great except for stuff.

1782
01:21:59,640 --> 01:22:01,000
Speaker 3: That could have been the whole thing.

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01:22:01,079 --> 01:22:03,279
Speaker 2: We could have done this whole preview in that five

1784
01:22:03,359 --> 01:22:07,079
second blurb, but we didn't. Thanks everybody for listening, for

1785
01:22:07,119 --> 01:22:11,159
watching again, Rate review, subscribe, give us a thumbs up

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01:22:14,000 --> 01:22:15,560
of our clips, any of our full episodes.

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01:22:15,600 --> 01:22:18,239
Speaker 3: Make sure you comment as well. That's very helpful. Tell

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01:22:18,239 --> 01:22:18,720
your friends.

1790
01:22:18,800 --> 01:22:22,520
Speaker 2: If you have Warriors fans that I don't know hate

1791
01:22:22,520 --> 01:22:24,720
Steve Kerr, maybe don't tell them to listen to this,

1792
01:22:24,760 --> 01:22:28,840
but otherwise please spread the word. Join our discord please

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01:22:28,880 --> 01:22:31,439
for that YouTube and podcast description, buy our merch Dan

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01:22:31,520 --> 01:22:33,640
has on I don't Today, I've chosen to wear a

1795
01:22:33,680 --> 01:22:34,680
shirt that blends.

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Speaker 1: Perfectly into the paint on the wall behind Universe, so.

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01:22:38,119 --> 01:22:41,560
Speaker 3: Hostly camo for today. Thanks again. Apologies.

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01:22:41,800 --> 01:22:43,359
Speaker 2: Oh see, I don't even know how to do this

1799
01:22:43,399 --> 01:22:45,720
when I'm the guest, shouts Frank mil Keina, apologies, Jared

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Allen