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Speaker 1: Is burning an American flag protected speech under the First Amendment?

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for Cracker Barrel? All of that and more on the

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Kylie Cast. Hi everybody, and welcome to the Kylie Cast.

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at the Federalist dot com. We always love to hear

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from you. Trump signed an executive order about flag burning

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this week, and while Democrats and Libertarians are not too

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happy about it, let me tell you why it's actually

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pretty great. For some people. All they really know about

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this EO is what they heard from Trump in this

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one clip from the signing.

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Speaker 2: Check it out what the penalty is going to be.

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If you burn a flag you get one year in jail,

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no early exits, no nothing. You get one year in jail.

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If you burn a flag, you get and what it

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does is insight to write out they use that language,

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by the way, did they insight to riot? And you

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burn a flag, you get one year in jail. You

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don't get ten years, you don't get one month. You

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get one year in jail, and it goes on your record,

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and you will see flag burning stopping immediately, just like

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when I signed the Statute and Monument Act.

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Speaker 1: This makes it sound like anyone who destroys an American

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flag anywhere will be thrown in jail. And thus the

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shrieking from Democrats and libertarians and the corporate media about

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this being an affront to the freedom of speech and

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the First Amendment. And what they keep pointing to is

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a five to four Supreme Court decision from nineteen eighty nine,

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not the Taylor Swift album We'll Get to Turn a

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little Bit, but a Supreme Court case called Texas v. Johnson,

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of which conservative Justice antonin Scalia was part of the majority.

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And this decision held that burning an American flag is

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protected speech under the First Amendment. But this executive order

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does not undermine Texas f. Johnson, It does not go

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against it. It actually doesn't create any new laws nor

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does it make flag burning itself illegal. Here's what the

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Executive order explicitly says. Quote. Our great American flag is

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the most sacred and cherished symbol of the United States

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of America and of American freedom, identity, and strength. Over

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nearly two and a half centuries, many thousands of American

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patriots have fought, bled, and died to keep the stars

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and stripes waving proudly. The American flag is a special

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symbol in our national life that should unite and represent

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all Americans of every background and walk of life. Desecrating

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it is uniquely offensive and provocative. It is a statement

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of contempt, hostility, and violence against our nation, the clearest

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possible expression of opposition to the political union that preserves

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our rights, liberty, and security. Burning this representation of America

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may incite violence and riot. American flag burning is also

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used by groups of foreign nationals as a calculated act

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to intimidate and threaten violence against Americans because of their

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nationality and place of birth. Notwithstanding the Supreme Court's rulings

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on First Amendment protections, the Court has never held that

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American flag desecration conducted in a manner that is likely

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to incite imminent lawless action, or that is an action

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amounting to quote fighting words, it's constitutionally protected. See Texas v. Johnson,

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that nineteen eighty nine case. My administration will act to

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restore respect and sanctity to the American flag and prosecute

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those who incite violence or otherwise violate our laws while

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desecrating the symbol of our country to the fullest extent

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permissible on under any available authority. End quote. So that's

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what Trump's executive order says. Note that the Trump administration

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specifically references Texas v. Johnson, but also that it talks

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about the manner in which a flag is burned and

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specifically if it is quote likely to incite imminent lawless action,

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which is not constitutionally protected speech. And that's something the

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Supreme Court reinforced twenty years before Texas v. Johnson in

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a case known as Brandenburg v. Ohio. So, in other words,

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if you burn a flag in your backyard, the Feds

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are not likely to come knocking down your door. But

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if you burn a flag at a federal courthouse right

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before an Antifa mob starts shooting at ice officers, that's

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a different story. That would be inciting imminent lawless action. Thus,

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the new executive order is not a violation of the

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First Amendment, nor is it a violation of Supreme Court

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precedent in Texas v. Johnson, even though I would argue

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that was bad precedent. But we will come back to

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that in a minute. But notice how the language of

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the executive order closely mirrors the language of the incredible

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descent in Texas v. Johnson. Here is Chief Justice John

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Renquist dissenting from the majority quote. The American flag, then,

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throughout more than two hundred years of our history, has

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come to be the visible symbol embodying our nation. It

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does not represent the views of any particular political party,

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and it does not represent any particular political philosophy. The

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flag is not simply another idea or point of view

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competing for recognition in the marketplace of ideas. Millions and

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millions of Americans regard it with an almost mystical reverence,

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regardless of what sort of social, political, or philosophical beliefs

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they may have. I cannot agree that the First Amendment

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invalidates the Act of Congress and the laws of forty

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eight of the fifty States, which make criminal the public

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burning of the flag. He also writes the court decides

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that the American flag is just another symbol. He's talking

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about the majority here, about which not only must opinions

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pro and con be tolerated, but for which the most

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animal public respect may not be enjoined. The government may

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conscript men into the armed forces, where they must fight

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and perhaps die for the flag, but the government may

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not prohibit the public burning of the banner under which

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they fight. End quote. It's an excellent descent. I encourage

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you to go and read the whole thing, because those

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justices that dissented were right, and now Trump is right,

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and again he's mirroring a lot of their words and ideas.

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Now you can twist yourself in nots trying to make

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all kinds of constitutional defenses for flag burning, but they

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all fall flat for a few reasons. And that's in

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part why I find Texas v. Johnson to be an

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erroneous decision. First of all, there's a reason you won't

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find prohibitions on flag burning in the Constitution, and that's

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because the founders knew that if someone burned a flag

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in public, a mob would string them up. We have

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a whole host of problems the Constitution was not designed

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to address. It can't reasonably be made to address them

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without perverse or arbitrary results. Second of all, you will

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not convince me that actions that were universally seen as

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criminal magically became constitute, utional and sacred because five oligarchs

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in robes said so, even if one of them was conservative.

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Flag burning was a crime in forty eight states and

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under federal law, and had been for decades, if not

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much longer. But then as soon as some hippie in

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nineteen eighty four decided that he was going to burn

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a flag at the RNC, I'm supposed to believe that

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now flag burning is an eternal right. No way. Third

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of all, I would argue that flag burning is arson,

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and arson isn't speech. It's a crime. You can try

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to construe anything as expression, but we all inherently know

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there are serious limits to expressing yourself, especially when the

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underlying activity is itself a crime like arson. Can you

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defecate on the public square as a protest and then

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claim its speech, of course not. Can you go around

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spitting on soldiers' graves in national cemeteries to protest war? Nope? Also,

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a crime, So why can you set fire to the

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emblem of our country? I would argue you can't, or

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at least you shouldn't be able to.

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Speaker 3: Fourth.

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Speaker 1: It's really hard to convince people who actually love our

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country that burning an American flag is somehow protected speech.

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But burning a Pride flag or doing a burnout on

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a rainbow crosswalk is a hate crime. And it's funny

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because the same legacy media that are all up in

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arms about free speech and the First Amendment with Trump's

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order said nothing about free speech when they covered hate

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crime charges for people who desecrated Pride flags. The same

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standard does not apply. Chris Rufo perfectly summed up my

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thoughts on the matter with this tweet quote, I'm sorry,

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but as long as this is the status quo, I'm

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not going to work myself into a state of hysteria

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about Trump's executive order on burning the American flag end quote.

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The Federalists CEO Sean Davis also said it well. Quote

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if it's illegal to burn Pride flags or do burnouts

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on rainbow crosswalks, then it should be illegal to burn

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the American flag. And if it's illegal to burn a

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dollar and protest of Fiat money. There should be no

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issue with making it illegal to burn the American flag.

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Either arson is speech or arson is a crime. No

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more of this. It's okay when we burn your symbols,

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but a crime when you burn our symbols. Nonsense, end quote.

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And that's exactly right, especially when our symbols aren't red

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or blue, they're red, white and blue. They represent all

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of America, Texas. F. Johnson was wrong, Donald Trump was right,

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and people who burn American flags, especially when it incites violence,

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which we've seen repeatedly in this country, should absolutely be

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prosecuted for it.

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Speaker 1: Okay, if everybody's talking about something, we have to talk

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about it on the Kylie Cast. And this week everybody

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getting her love story. Are we finally done with all

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of the breakup songs we will see? Hopefully? Hopefully we

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are fully done. Here to talk about Taylor Swift and

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Travis Kelce's romance, whether they like it or not. Is

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that released? Does Jordan Boyd and el Pernell. Jordan is

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for joining me to talk about this either incredible news

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Taylor Swift's face all over NFL games this season. So

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right off the back.

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Speaker 4: I think the first reaction I had was that her

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ring was ugly, but I'm happy for her I don't know,

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that's my that's my hottest take about taylor'swoock, But I mean, yeah,

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it's it's always great to see people get engaged and

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you know, hopefully get married.

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Speaker 5: Sooner rather than later.

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Speaker 1: How about you, Jordan, I would.

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but also just a little bit hesitant about the path forward,

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Speaker 1: Mm hmmm hmm. Let's start with the ring. I have

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a picture here of the ring else since you brought

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it up, I completely agree. I think this ring is hideous,

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despite I mean, I guess it's pretty Taylor. Uh, it's

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very vintage and unique and huge. You know, she's got

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plenty of plenty of money to play with, and so

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does Travis. I've heard ballpark estimates of what the ring

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is worth, but I think those are pretty It's hard

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a shallow stone. Who knows. Point being it's very gaudy,

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it's very large. It looks like costume jewelry. I have

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heard a lot of negativity about the ring, but maybe

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that's just because of the Federalist staff chat and my algorithm.

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I don't know of too many people who actually really

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like the ring, but maybe they're out there. I don't know.

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right now, and it's been for a while, so you

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expect her to be wearing a big ring. But yeah,

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it's sort of I don't know.

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Speaker 5: It lacks character in a really odd.

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Speaker 6: Way in my opinion, and it might have been all

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which is a little bit odd considering Travis Kelsey was

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the one who supposedly designed it in collaboration.

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Speaker 5: With the jewelers.

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Speaker 6: So I don't know. I don't know the implications of that.

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I don't know if we should like overthink that almost,

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but it is a little ode. I feel like it

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just lacks character. For someone who has made such a

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presence in pop culture, you would just expect something different.

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Speaker 1: I think, yeah, yeah, Ell, what do you what do

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you think of it, you think it's ugly, but what else?

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picked out by someone with Super Bowl rings. But it

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like I saw a lot of people describing it it's

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as antique invented, which is in line with a lot

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of Keylor Schwist's taste. But like, I think the size

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doesn't work with the vintage look. Like when you look

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you get an antique ring, it's not going to be

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like seven carrots, and so, like the the goal band

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is very dainty, it's like very intricate, and then you

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have this like huge rock on it.

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Speaker 5: I think that's where the mismatches.

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Speaker 4: I think it's really hard to marry, to marry the

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big chunky stone with the more delicate antique band. I

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think if you're going to do a big stone, like

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gonna do the antique band, then like have several diamonds

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on it instead of one big one. I don't know,

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but I think that's like the root of my aesthetic

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complaint about it. But yeah, I mean it's it's pretty,

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it's pretty diamond, it's pretty banned, but they just don't

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree, Like, in what universe is this vintage

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or antique unless you're talking Marie Antoinette vintage or something like,

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it's not it's not as Yeah, it's not believably vintage

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in the way that we think of things being more

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quirky or unique, Like you can't go big like that

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and also be that ent just this vintage aesthetic. I

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Speaker 4: Can there be something really cool and fun about like

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mixing too unexpected? Things didn't work here?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree, you definitely see well. I think Travis

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Kelcey's design skills or lack thereof, come through in this

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gaudy super Bowl ask ring. I saw on Twitter somebody's

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photoshopped a Super Bowl ring on her finger and it

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looked pretty similar, to be honest, So I want to know.

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Speaker 5: Like, how is she going to fit a wedding band

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with this? Okay, yes, that was my question.

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diamond in the world. I mean, she's not raising children

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or cooking, but she did just talk last week on

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a podcast about making sourdough, and like, how do you

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even do anything with that thing.

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Speaker 5: On your finger? You know, like, yeah, you either to

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constantly take it off or you risk beheading it on everything.

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Speaker 1: Right, right, that's a great, a great segue to that podcast, Jordan.

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I got through the first hour and I I stopped listening.

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I mean, I could have had it in the background

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while I was doing something else. It wasn't like I

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had to turn it off because I just couldn't listen

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to it anymore. I like Jason Kelsey, I find him

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enjoyable to listen to Travis's whatever. I mean, I don't

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I could take him or leave him. I don't really care.

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But from my understanding, this was Taylor Swift's first podcast

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interview she's ever done. Or maybe I'm wrong about that,

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but it seemed to be She's been on documentaries and stuff,

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but never like on a two hour feature length podcast,

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and it was so shocking to me. So anybody who's

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ever listened to Federalist Radio Hour Back in the Archives

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or whatever I'm on record As a Tailor Swift fan,

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I've liked her music. I grew up with her music.

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I was that girl who had all of the CDs,

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and the CDs that were like the karaoke CD, so

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you had the CD that had. It was just instrumentals

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with not Taylor's voice and the graphics, so you could

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put it in your karaoke machine and plug it in

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and then you could beat Taylor Swift. And I mean

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loved it until her recent stuff, which even like mid

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to Near Range. I was into her most recent album.

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I literally could not get through it. I started listening

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to it and I had to shut it off because

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it was just annoying me. It was just droning on.

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There was no variety, it was not interesting. It was

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just boring and ugh, it just it. I didn't like

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it so anyway. But I was never one of those

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people who would anytime Taylor Swift was on an interview

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or perform live on something like I had to watch it.

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It just Taylor Swift, the music. Yes, Taylor Swift the person.

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Didn't really keep up with her at all. And then

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to listen to her on this podcast, I was like,

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oh my goodness, I feel like I'm listening to a

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seventeen year old on a podcast. It was like the

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things she was saying felt so not inappropriate, but like

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inappropriate in the moment, like she goes on this whole

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thing about this otter and how Travis Kelce wants an otter,

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and she's like coming up with this little backstory for

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this otter, and I was like, I am secondhand embarrassed

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for you going on and on about this. It's like

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you are seventeen. It was very, very odd, And so

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I'm curious how she's going to be as a wife.

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or like has to be with her because she's Taylor Swift.

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So how do you break up with Taylor Swift? You know,

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I mean she's the most famous woman in the world,

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or if this is actually a marriage that is going

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to work. I'm curious. And you asked, or you said,

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you're maybe skeptical about it. What do you think about it?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, well, you know, when I heard the news that

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they got engaged, I went and pulled up the Instagram post,

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and I know Taylor Kin has the secret language that

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she speaks with her fans and refers back to old

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songs and kind of weaves this web. But the caption

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was about two high school teachers getting married, and it

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just struck me odd that two people who I think

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are thirty five were still so stuck in this high

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school mindset, and I think, you know, I don't want

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to make judgments.

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Speaker 5: I don't know these people.

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Speaker 6: But one of the biggest motivating factors for people getting

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into a serious relationship and getting married is maturity. And

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you can see how people who on paper were older

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and got married but were immature, and how that didn't

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work out.

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Speaker 5: And then you see people who get married super young.

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Speaker 6: At nineteen and were there maturity wise and made it

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work and made it happen. And so you just wonder,

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like a little of this millennialism stuck in the past

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thing has really seeps into both Travis and Taylor's lives,

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and they really haven't had a chance to like live

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in the real world. They've both just sort of been

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in their bubbles. Like Travis has been a football start

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his entire life. A lot of guys have a reponing

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when they leave high school and like don't play sports anymore.

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You know, he hasn't had that reckoning. His retirement is

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probably closing in, but he hasn't had that reckoning, and.

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Speaker 5: Taylor probably will never get that reckoning.

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Speaker 6: In that way that a lot of people get and so, yeah,

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I am hesitant about what their relationship look like moving forward.

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Speaker 5: What their plan is for children, that sort of thing.

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Speaker 4: L So, I did actually look at the caption was cute,

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which maybe that says more about my caption skills than

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anything else. But so, what Jordan was saying made me

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think about kind of a discourse we've seen happening on

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Twitter where you have a lot of people who were like, oh, Taylor.

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Speaker 5: Swift and Travis Kel's you're getting married.

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Speaker 4: They're going to cause this like crazy, you know, baby

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boom and all of a sudden, getting married and having

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babies is gonna be cool again, and like that'd be

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great if that happened. But I mean so, But then

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on the flip side, I read I was reading an interesting.

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Speaker 5: You know, like the opposite perspective. He was in compact.

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Speaker 4: I forget the name of the author, but he was

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basically like, look, it's great that they're getting married, but

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this isn't as countercultural as it's being made out to

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be because they're in their mid thirties, Like it's what

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both of them have done, you know, And some people

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do meet their spouse after you know, later in life

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or after they've met career success. But both Taylor and

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Travis have had years of career and material success and

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they're kind of at the pinnacle of each of their

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careers and now they're getting married. Now they found that

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person to share their life with, now that they already

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have their life kind of all built together. And you know,

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everyone's love story is different. So that's not a bad

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thing and of itself, you know, that's how it worked

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out for them, But on a societal level, that's not

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a good way to look at marriage. You don't want

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to look at marriage this thing that happens only when

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you have checked all the other boxes in your life,

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and then it's just kind of just the crowning jewel

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on top. Married is something that at its best, you know,

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you you get married and you build your life together.

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And so you've maybe that means finding your spouse and

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getting married before you hit the pinnacle of your career.

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A lot of guys don't hit their you know, career

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peak until their fifties. Do you want to wait until

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them to get married, Like, no, it's not. It's designed

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to work, So I you know, that's not to say

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they shouldn't get married like better now than ever, but

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it's not a recipe that's going to work for most

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people who aren't superstars.

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Speaker 1: M hm. Yeah, that's a really interesting point, a really

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good point. I think there's probably some middle ground between

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those two, between those two takes right between this is

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the best thing that's ever gonna ever happen, and it's

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going to make marriage and babies cool again, and this

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is not actually good news, or maybe that's probably not

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how they teed it up, but that it's actually bad

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because they've waited so long to get married. And I

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don't know. I do think there's something to be said

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for the fact that it was less than a year

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ago that Taylor Swift posted on Instagram. It was about

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the twenty twenty twenty four election, and she signed off

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her Instagram post as a childis childless cat lady, which

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obviously was a dig at jd Vance. It was a troll,

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but still that was how she identified herself, was as

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a childless cat lady. And she's still a cat lady

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and she's still childless. But it's like this woman who

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has had many, many boyfriends over the years that she's

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been very public about or at least incorporated into all

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of her breakup songs. But she's dated a lot of

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non marriage material men, a lot of effeminate men, a

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lot of men who are just like you know, very

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artist and artisty and cerebral and whatever. And she I

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don't think it's a coincidence that, you know, it took

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her a long time, but that she finally meets a

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guy's guy, a man's man, a jock who has a

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normal like his brother, has a very normal family by

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all accounts, a true American man, and in just two

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years of dating, which you know, for some people that's

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a long time, but not not by cultural standards. For sure,

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after two years of dating, she's ready to settle down

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with this jock of a guy, right after she signed

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off as a childless cat lady. It's just it seems

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like at least the right trajectory, even if it is

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somewhat a case of arrested development, and two later, you know,

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later than what is probably desirable both for her age

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and for her career, to be settling down. What do

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Speaker 5: Me? And interesting?

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Speaker 1: Either? Whoever has thought interesting?

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Speaker 5: I think it's interesting when someone, for whatever reason, like

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family and children and marriage.

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Speaker 6: Has become really politicized, and it's it's sort of been

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assigned as like a value of the right, which is

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that discourse that Jade Vance and Taylor Swift got into

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last year about was, you know, the family first policies

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that we're seeing make their.

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Speaker 5: Way forward under the Trump administration.

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Speaker 6: Aren't necessarily touted by Democrats, And so it's always interesting

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to see someone who's been vocally on.

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Speaker 5: The left for a while now on Taylor Swift.

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Speaker 6: Choose to partake of something that she's previously shunned. And

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I think it just goes to show like these values

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matter not because they're political, but because they're the ones

475
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that like sustain us. They sustain our society, they sustain

476
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our culture, and everyone has a stake in them, and

477
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a lot of people partake in them even though they

478
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don't put in the legwork to preserve them. So I

479
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think there's a really interesting contrast here and potentially an

480
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opportunity for Taylor Swift to learn something about something that

481
00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:50,440
she may have previously shown under the guise of it

482
00:24:50,519 --> 00:24:55,039
being political. It's not political to want traditional marriage to

483
00:24:56,039 --> 00:24:59,480
trump everything else, and for families to expand and for

484
00:24:59,599 --> 00:25:02,480
us to bunk our replacement rate back up over two

485
00:25:02,519 --> 00:25:05,960
point one. You know, we're a devastatingly low fertility rate

486
00:25:06,039 --> 00:25:08,079
right now in the United States and the Western world,

487
00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:11,359
and so we need to be thinking. It's past time

488
00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:15,720
to be thinking about the kind of cultural norms and

489
00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:19,240
institutions that we need to boost that because frankly, policies

490
00:25:19,279 --> 00:25:22,799
aren't doing it anymore. And so I hope this is

491
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a moment for her and other people who maybe haven't

492
00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:29,279
had their eyes opened to the possibility that the institution

493
00:25:29,319 --> 00:25:32,200
of marriage and family it's important. It's something that we

494
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all need to work towards preserving and protecting.

495
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Speaker 1: I wrote about this, I think last year when she

496
00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:43,920
made the childless cat lady comments. But Taylor Swift herself

497
00:25:45,039 --> 00:25:47,440
did not want to be a childless cat lady, like

498
00:25:47,599 --> 00:25:50,240
I think that is probably the posture of a lot

499
00:25:50,279 --> 00:25:53,319
of women who are single, but like they give the

500
00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:55,640
game away because they don't actually want to be childless

501
00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:58,559
cat ladies. Like Taylor Swift for her entire career has

502
00:25:58,599 --> 00:26:01,599
been writing songs about marriage and family or entire career,

503
00:26:01,599 --> 00:26:04,039
and it's like nobody believes Taylor that you don't actually

504
00:26:04,079 --> 00:26:05,480
want to get married and that you don't actually want

505
00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:08,160
to have babies, and maybe you're lying to yourself. Maybe

506
00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:10,920
you're unwilling to admit it publicly because you're unwilling to

507
00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:12,519
admit it to yourself because you want to, you know,

508
00:26:12,559 --> 00:26:14,839
go on another tour or whatever. But it's like you've

509
00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:16,839
been writing and singing about this for years, because it's

510
00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:19,920
the natural yearning of the human heart to want to

511
00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:22,720
desire these things. And like you said, Jordan's, it's what

512
00:26:22,759 --> 00:26:28,559
sustains our entire society. So it's very, very important. I

513
00:26:28,599 --> 00:26:33,240
saw a new study out from the Institute for Family

514
00:26:33,519 --> 00:26:39,480
Studies about women's happiness and marriage, and let me read

515
00:26:39,559 --> 00:26:44,599
you here. This is from the study, Okay, Institute for

516
00:26:44,599 --> 00:26:48,599
Family Studies. Only thirty two percent of women believe that

517
00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:51,759
women who marry and have children live fuller, happier lives.

518
00:26:51,799 --> 00:26:54,119
So only one in three women thinks that it's better

519
00:26:54,519 --> 00:26:57,000
that you'll be happier if you have kids and get married.

520
00:26:57,279 --> 00:26:59,960
At the same time, fifty five percent of single women's

521
00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:03,920
more than half believe that single women are generally happier

522
00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:06,079
than married women. So women who have never tried these

523
00:27:06,079 --> 00:27:08,400
things think that they're happier than the women who get married.

524
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:11,480
In a twenty twenty four Pew Research survey, less than

525
00:27:11,559 --> 00:27:14,680
half of single women said they eventually wanted to have children,

526
00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:19,559
which also lends itself to those low fertility or replacement rates.

527
00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:25,079
Here is here's another thing from that IFS study. So

528
00:27:25,519 --> 00:27:27,440
married women are more likely to report that life is

529
00:27:27,519 --> 00:27:32,279
enjoyable those who are married with children forty seven percent,

530
00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:34,680
So about half of them report that life is enjoyable

531
00:27:34,759 --> 00:27:37,359
versus unmarried without children. So this is the bucket that

532
00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:41,319
Taylor Shoot falls into. Only thirty four percent are likely

533
00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:45,680
to report that life is enjoyable. Same here for reporting

534
00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:50,200
being very happy. As for married with children, that number

535
00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:52,319
is nineteen percent. It drops all the way to ten

536
00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:58,160
percent unmarried without children. These are pretty shocking numbers like

537
00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:02,400
this is definitely mark win a mark in the column

538
00:28:02,519 --> 00:28:06,119
for marriage and family, and Taylor Swift, lover or hate her,

539
00:28:06,279 --> 00:28:08,559
is well on her way, well on her way toward that.

540
00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:14,119
This engagement brings to mind a comparison and a contrast

541
00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:16,880
with another celebrity that you wrote about this week, Jordan

542
00:28:17,079 --> 00:28:20,039
Millie Bobby Brown, who is much younger than Taylor Swift.

543
00:28:20,319 --> 00:28:22,400
Why don't you tell us about the choices that she's

544
00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:24,400
been making and how they differ and how they're the

545
00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:25,720
same as Taylor Swift.

546
00:28:26,599 --> 00:28:28,519
Speaker 6: Yeah, well, I know all was written about this too,

547
00:28:28,559 --> 00:28:32,319
But Millie Bobby Brown became engaged and married at nineteen

548
00:28:32,319 --> 00:28:37,240
and twenty to her now husband, Jay bon Jovi, and

549
00:28:37,319 --> 00:28:41,039
so you know, that decision was very tuner culture for

550
00:28:41,079 --> 00:28:43,039
the world that she's grown up in. Both her and

551
00:28:43,079 --> 00:28:44,839
her husband grew up in front of the TV camera,

552
00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:47,720
in front of paparazzi on both actors, models, et cetera.

553
00:28:48,279 --> 00:28:51,039
And they made the decision to kind of reject this

554
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:54,880
Hollywood narrative of oh, you need you know, decades long

555
00:28:55,079 --> 00:28:58,920
of failed relationships that are in public, and you know

556
00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:01,799
you need to have a strung out engagement, you need

557
00:29:01,839 --> 00:29:06,720
to wait to start a family until you're older, but

558
00:29:06,759 --> 00:29:08,279
you can do it before you get married.

559
00:29:08,359 --> 00:29:10,000
Speaker 5: There's just all these countercultural things.

560
00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:12,519
Speaker 6: And what her and her husband did was get engaged,

561
00:29:12,839 --> 00:29:15,160
get married within a year of getting engaged, and then

562
00:29:15,319 --> 00:29:18,480
adopt a baby the next year. And so that's the

563
00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:20,880
announcement that they made recently, is they adopted a baby

564
00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:24,359
girl and are now a thriving family of three. So

565
00:29:25,079 --> 00:29:29,759
to see such a display of what is normal people

566
00:29:29,839 --> 00:29:32,119
like me and you like we all either fit into

567
00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:34,640
that category of getting married young and having children young.

568
00:29:35,079 --> 00:29:39,160
Are around people who fit into that category. But that's

569
00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:41,039
not the normal in Hollywood. That's not normal in the

570
00:29:41,039 --> 00:29:44,640
world that at least Taylor is in. And so to

571
00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:50,200
see someone lean into that happiness and see that life

572
00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:51,880
is a lot bigger than your career. Life is a

573
00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:54,079
lot bigger than your next acting gig. Life is a

574
00:29:54,119 --> 00:29:59,119
lot bigger than your next album, and and seriously, just

575
00:29:59,119 --> 00:30:02,400
just reject every thing that Hollywood says about that. And

576
00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:04,839
you know, when it comes to childbearing, a lot of

577
00:30:04,839 --> 00:30:07,640
people will either have children together before they get married,

578
00:30:07,799 --> 00:30:11,480
or they get old enough and have rejected enough relationships

579
00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:13,880
where they're actually out of their prime fertility and have

580
00:30:14,079 --> 00:30:17,400
very hard time conceiving. And the popular choice right now

581
00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:20,160
is to turn to a systiary reproductive technology. It's easy

582
00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:22,240
for someone in a position with a lot of money

583
00:30:22,559 --> 00:30:27,079
to buy into that, and even potentially it makes it

584
00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:30,279
more alluring if you're in an industry where your physical

585
00:30:30,319 --> 00:30:33,319
body is on display, like modeling or acting or seeming,

586
00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:36,559
and you don't want to make that sacrifice for pregnancy.

587
00:30:36,599 --> 00:30:39,039
And so we've seen various versions of that come out

588
00:30:39,039 --> 00:30:41,319
with as a celebrities where they buy into this art

589
00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:43,839
and they use IVF or they want to become a

590
00:30:43,839 --> 00:30:46,119
single parent because they've just given up on love, so

591
00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:49,039
they buy eggs and sperm and create a child and

592
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rent a womb and.

593
00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:52,599
Speaker 5: Then raise that child in their fifties.

594
00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:55,680
Speaker 6: And so it's just a very backwards way of doing

595
00:30:55,759 --> 00:30:59,680
things that's been very normalized and celebrated in the media

596
00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:02,640
wood but with Millie Bobby Brown, we haven't seen that.

597
00:31:02,759 --> 00:31:04,960
So I think there's this moment where I'm holding my

598
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:08,039
breath for Travis and Taylor to see, Okay, are they

599
00:31:08,079 --> 00:31:11,880
really following that natural progression that normal people follow to

600
00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:15,079
just get married and then have children? You know, for

601
00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:16,880
both of them, their biological.

602
00:31:16,359 --> 00:31:19,640
Speaker 5: Cops are taking it's just a reality. And are they

603
00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:20,480
going to lean into that.

604
00:31:20,519 --> 00:31:23,119
Speaker 6: Are they going to wait and sort of use these

605
00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:28,079
these outsourced reproductive technologies to make their dreams of becoming

606
00:31:28,119 --> 00:31:30,319
parents true. I don't know, We'll have to see, but

607
00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:33,559
it is interesting to see that that contrast between someone

608
00:31:33,599 --> 00:31:35,440
like Milli Lobby Brown, who at such a young age

609
00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:38,400
has already realized what's important in life, and someone like

610
00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:41,440
Travis and Taylor, who are maybe playing ketchup a little.

611
00:31:41,279 --> 00:31:41,839
Speaker 5: Bit right now.

612
00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:44,039
Speaker 6: So we'll see what happens for the next few years.

613
00:31:44,079 --> 00:31:47,559
But I'm hopeful, but also you kind of have to

614
00:31:47,559 --> 00:31:49,799
expect the worst because we just have seen so much

615
00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:52,920
outlandish behavior from celebrities before.

616
00:31:53,519 --> 00:31:56,720
Speaker 1: Right, right, Al, what do you think it's going to

617
00:31:56,920 --> 00:32:02,000
take to get America back to the Millie Bobby Brown

618
00:32:02,079 --> 00:32:04,920
philosophy of marriage and child rearing? I mean, I think

619
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:08,440
it's feminism that sold women such an ugly lie, which

620
00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:12,119
is why you see studies like this IFS study that report,

621
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:15,119
you know, more than half of childless, unmarried single women

622
00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:18,359
think that they're way happier now than they ever could

623
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:22,119
be getting married and having children. They seriously think their

624
00:32:22,119 --> 00:32:24,720
lives are fuller and better. And I mean, what does

625
00:32:24,759 --> 00:32:27,119
it take. Is this just a spiritual problem? Is it?

626
00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:31,000
You know, is it a cultural problem? When will people

627
00:32:31,039 --> 00:32:34,000
realize that IVF is problematic? You know, what, what's it

628
00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:36,759
gonna take to get us to normal healthy fertility rates

629
00:32:36,759 --> 00:32:37,960
and marriage rates in this country.

630
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:41,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a spiritual problem and it's cultural problem. It's

631
00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:44,240
lots of other kinds of problems too, you know, I

632
00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:48,720
think like getting married and having babies is kind of

633
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:51,160
a contagious thing, like when your friends are doing it,

634
00:32:51,319 --> 00:32:54,599
and then like you know, your friends are having babies

635
00:32:54,599 --> 00:32:56,160
and you get to hold their babies in church and

636
00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:58,079
you're like, oh, this this is so cute, Like I

637
00:32:58,119 --> 00:33:01,200
want one of my own. And like with marriage, you know,

638
00:33:01,359 --> 00:33:04,759
you you see your friends get married and you want

639
00:33:04,759 --> 00:33:07,400
that for yourself, or you like even just getting to know,

640
00:33:07,559 --> 00:33:09,799
you know, your friend's husbands and being like, oh, this

641
00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:13,279
is a nice guy who's you know, he's not an evil,

642
00:33:13,359 --> 00:33:16,720
horrible you know, like so many women, I think, whether

643
00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:19,960
they've had bad experiences with men or they just have

644
00:33:20,079 --> 00:33:24,160
this like preconceived notion from culture, have this idea that

645
00:33:24,279 --> 00:33:28,799
men and marriage are oppressive and you know, have a

646
00:33:28,839 --> 00:33:32,160
net negative effect. Obviously we all know that's not true,

647
00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:36,400
and so like I have like just spending time with

648
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:39,559
people in your life who are happily married, who are

649
00:33:39,599 --> 00:33:41,039
happily you know, have children.

650
00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:44,559
Speaker 5: I think that's probably the best solution, you know.

651
00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:46,680
Speaker 4: I So this is like Tangia, I want to go

652
00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:49,640
back a little bit because as you guys were talking

653
00:33:50,359 --> 00:33:54,079
about Taylor and Travis and like making the comparison and

654
00:33:54,119 --> 00:33:56,599
Millie Bobby Brown and Jake bon Jovi. I was trying

655
00:33:56,599 --> 00:33:59,880
to think of other celebrity couples to draw comparisons to,

656
00:34:00,519 --> 00:34:02,920
and I feel like there's a little bit of danger

657
00:34:03,119 --> 00:34:06,599
of this becoming like a Megan Markle and Prince Harry situation.

658
00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:12,320
I hope not, but like Travis Kelsey definitely gives me

659
00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:15,159
a similar impression. Is Prince Harry, Like Prince Harry was

660
00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:18,599
the very like jock kind of brother. He was in

661
00:34:18,639 --> 00:34:22,079
the military and he was the heart throb. And then

662
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:25,280
you had Megan Markle, who who was not nearly as

663
00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:28,079
successful as Taylor Swift but probably thinks.

664
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:28,320
Speaker 5: That she is.

665
00:34:28,679 --> 00:34:31,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure, definitely undoubtedly.

666
00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:35,239
Speaker 4: And that relationship, you know, she's obviously taken the reins

667
00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:38,440
in that relationship. It's been kind of sad to see.

668
00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:42,159
So I'm curious, Like, you know, to be married to

669
00:34:42,199 --> 00:34:46,039
Taylor Swift, you have to recognize that she has a

670
00:34:46,079 --> 00:34:48,519
very successful career and obviously like that's something you should

671
00:34:48,559 --> 00:34:52,119
support as her husband. But I'm just curious to see

672
00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:54,159
how that goes and how they do that kind of

673
00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:59,280
delicate dance of supporting each other. I probably the most

674
00:34:59,599 --> 00:35:02,679
comper person as far as just the situation that I

675
00:35:02,679 --> 00:35:05,679
can think of with Grace Kelly in the fifties. She's

676
00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:09,239
like America's sweetheart in this similar way that Taylor Swift is,

677
00:35:10,199 --> 00:35:12,320
and then she gets swept off her feet by a prince,

678
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:15,360
totally leaves Hollywood and just like settles down to be

679
00:35:15,519 --> 00:35:18,679
a princess and wife and mother. I don't really see

680
00:35:18,679 --> 00:35:20,920
that happening with Taylor Swift either, so I'm just I'm

681
00:35:21,079 --> 00:35:25,480
very curious to see, like how this goes. Obviously, both

682
00:35:25,519 --> 00:35:29,199
Taylor and Travis are very successful. If they do have children,

683
00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:30,800
who's going to take care of the kids. Are they

684
00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:32,199
going to se the kids as they're going to be

685
00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:33,920
a nanny? Is one of them going to scale back

686
00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:36,639
their career? Like, I'm just very curious to see what

687
00:35:36,679 --> 00:35:38,679
that looks like and hopeful that they make decisions that

688
00:35:38,679 --> 00:35:41,119
are good for their marriage and their hopefully family.

689
00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:45,320
Speaker 1: I wonder if in this scenario, Travis will be the

690
00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:49,800
Grace Kelly, because I think Taylor's career will likely far

691
00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:52,559
outlive Travis's, which is an interesting dynamic.

692
00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:53,519
Speaker 5: You know.

693
00:35:53,599 --> 00:35:56,639
Speaker 1: Obviously, in my mind, she's one more bad album away

694
00:35:56,679 --> 00:35:59,320
from being dead to me, But for a lot of America,

695
00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:01,440
I mean, they love her and like new generations of

696
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:03,760
girls are growing up. You know, she's no longer just

697
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:06,800
the millennial entertainer. Gen Z has now grown up and

698
00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:08,639
they've grown up on different albums than I did. But

699
00:36:08,679 --> 00:36:12,400
it's like they also love her for different reasons. Whereas Travis,

700
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:13,960
you know, you've only got so many years in the

701
00:36:14,039 --> 00:36:17,679
NFL before you are, you know, tearing all your knee

702
00:36:17,679 --> 00:36:20,920
ligaments and just calling it a day. So I'm curious

703
00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:23,719
about you know, is he just going to become a

704
00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:26,920
brand ambassador? And I don't think he's the next Tom Brady.

705
00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:28,599
I don't think he's going to be as successful and

706
00:36:28,639 --> 00:36:30,400
stick around that long. Like he's going to be riding

707
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:33,800
her coattails and probably settling down to be mister mom

708
00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:36,280
if I if I had to make a guess. But

709
00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:39,960
we'll see, we'll see. Let's switch gears really quick. As

710
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:41,920
long as I've got you and we're talking about culture,

711
00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:46,079
Let's talk about the other big cultural firestorm happening this

712
00:36:46,119 --> 00:36:48,639
week and last week and perhaps the week before, about

713
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:51,960
Caracker Barrel, which has tied itself in all kinds of

714
00:36:52,039 --> 00:36:57,440
knots and has been forced to walk back its logo change,

715
00:36:57,480 --> 00:37:00,440
which thank god, because look at this new logo compared

716
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:03,480
to the old logo, the old logo, everybody knows it,

717
00:37:03,519 --> 00:37:07,960
everybody loves it. Uncle Herschel, Uncle Herschel, I cannot talk today.

718
00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:10,800
I'm so sorry. The cracker and the barrel lovely. They

719
00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:12,880
got rid of both the cracker and the barrel and

720
00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:20,239
put it on this AI generated looking completely sterile. Personality lists,

721
00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:24,639
soul lists, cracker, barrel logo. Apparently they are now walking

722
00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:27,000
back and going back to the old logo, but they

723
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:32,000
are sticking with their hideous interior design. The one on

724
00:37:32,039 --> 00:37:36,400
the left is the old feel good country vibe everybody

725
00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:38,280
loved it, felt like being at Grandma's house. And the

726
00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:44,039
new one is Joanna Gaines's ship lap from Hell. No personality,

727
00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:47,280
just sterile and awful. Sounds like they're sticking with that design.

728
00:37:48,039 --> 00:37:50,280
I want the Federal least is hot, takes on the

729
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:54,280
whole situation and predictions for what you think the next

730
00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:56,480
step is, Jordan, let's start with you.

731
00:37:57,519 --> 00:37:59,960
Speaker 6: I mean, if they want to be successful, like Trump said,

732
00:38:00,079 --> 00:38:04,079
host a press conference and good riddance to that CEO.

733
00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:06,639
I mean she was warned more than a year ago

734
00:38:06,679 --> 00:38:10,320
now by investors a rebrand was obvious folly.

735
00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:12,960
Speaker 5: I believe for the words that the investor used.

736
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:16,440
Speaker 6: And she plowed forward. I don't know in what world

737
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:19,119
she already wears glasses, so I can't suggest glasses. But

738
00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:21,719
what world is that new logo or is the new

739
00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:26,920
design appealing? I mean, the Americana old timey, feel good,

740
00:38:27,119 --> 00:38:30,079
warm country cooking vibes of cracker barrel are what make

741
00:38:30,159 --> 00:38:33,119
cracker rorel cracker barrel. And to do it with all

742
00:38:33,119 --> 00:38:37,840
of that for really no good reason whatsoever. The good

743
00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:39,559
reason would have been, oh your stock at plomiting. No,

744
00:38:39,679 --> 00:38:41,239
they did that to themselves.

745
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:41,679
Speaker 5: After the rebrand.

746
00:38:43,159 --> 00:38:45,880
Speaker 6: It's just a little bit bizarre, and so yeah, steps forward,

747
00:38:46,119 --> 00:38:48,480
get rid of the people who made this happen, because

748
00:38:49,079 --> 00:38:52,039
it's terrible and unfortunately, I think they've already done some

749
00:38:52,159 --> 00:38:55,800
damage to their customer base. They can't really come all

750
00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:57,840
the way back from what they've done, especially because the

751
00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:00,599
only thing they've really promised to budge on is the logo.

752
00:39:00,639 --> 00:39:03,039
Speaker 5: They haven't said anything about the interior, so we.

753
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:05,639
Speaker 6: Could still be subjected to shift that from allowing your

754
00:39:05,679 --> 00:39:10,199
words and walls of neatly organized rolling pins so robotics.

755
00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:13,039
So yeah, I I you know, I want to believe

756
00:39:13,079 --> 00:39:15,679
the boss, but until there's some change.

757
00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:17,480
Speaker 5: Up in the top down leadership. I don't. I don't

758
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:19,000
think it will be trinking in a good direction.

759
00:39:20,519 --> 00:39:23,880
Speaker 4: Jordan, you mentioned the rolling pins my favorite and like

760
00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:26,199
my favorite, I mean the worst, but it was so

761
00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:29,119
funny to mean the in one of the pictures of

762
00:39:29,159 --> 00:39:33,920
the new design, they had like twenty flower sifters arranged

763
00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:36,760
in like four by five or whatever on like a plaque.

764
00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:38,400
It was so funny, like, I don't even know where

765
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:40,119
you get that many flower sifters.

766
00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:40,800
Speaker 5: But that was my favorite part.

767
00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:44,559
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, I so do. Do you guys remember

768
00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:47,559
a couple of months ago, I think when the Duo

769
00:39:47,639 --> 00:39:51,400
Lingo announced that the Duo Lingo owl had died and

770
00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:54,840
everyone was like, what on earth? And then you know,

771
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:57,199
it was just this like brilliant publicity stunt and everyone

772
00:39:57,239 --> 00:39:59,400
was talking about the Duo Lingo owls and I think

773
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:02,239
he came back somehow. So I was thinking about that

774
00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:04,880
when I was watching this Instagram reel where a guy

775
00:40:05,079 --> 00:40:08,679
was saying, what Cracker Bill needs to do is like

776
00:40:09,559 --> 00:40:12,320
have this whole campaign where they bring Uncle Herschel back,

777
00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:15,760
but they but like brand it, like, you know, make

778
00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:18,519
those like wanted posters and put Uncle Herschel on them

779
00:40:18,639 --> 00:40:21,280
and make this whole like publicity stunt out of him

780
00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:22,800
disappearing and then trying to get him back, and then

781
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:25,400
he comes back and then everybody's happy. That would be brilliant,

782
00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:27,280
I think, and it would, Yes, he would be a

783
00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:28,880
way to kind of poke fun at their own mistake.

784
00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:31,639
I don't think they're smart enough to do that, but

785
00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:32,480
I think they should.

786
00:40:33,039 --> 00:40:34,920
Speaker 1: No, but it's a great idea. Can we also just

787
00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:37,119
talk about the Trump effect here? I mean, the man

788
00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:39,360
just needs to do one truth social post and it

789
00:40:39,519 --> 00:40:43,119
just shames these people. You know, the stock plummeting wasn't enough,

790
00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:45,719
all the outcry on social media and in the real world,

791
00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:48,800
you know, people not eating a cracker barrel. That wasn't enough.

792
00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:52,159
But Trump gets on and says one thing on social media,

793
00:40:52,199 --> 00:40:54,119
and all of a sudden, the old logo comes back.

794
00:40:54,159 --> 00:40:56,360
I mean, that is just that is just a beautiful thing.

795
00:40:56,440 --> 00:40:59,199
Chef's kiss, especially because the CEO clearly like she would

796
00:40:59,199 --> 00:41:01,440
hate Donald Trump, So that's just I mean, that's just funny.

797
00:41:02,519 --> 00:41:05,320
I thought Sean Davis's point in The Federalist this week

798
00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:10,239
was so good. He was talking about how cracker barrel

799
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:14,239
declined markedly post COVID in the way that almost every

800
00:41:14,239 --> 00:41:18,679
other restaurant declined. Where food quality suffers, service suffers. I mean,

801
00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:22,239
I think everybody has noticed this. Any takeout experience, any

802
00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:25,159
dine out experience, any coffee shop experience, I mean, you name,

803
00:41:25,199 --> 00:41:28,440
it has just been markedly worse post COVID, and everybody

804
00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:31,719
wants even higher tips now for doing no work but

805
00:41:32,559 --> 00:41:35,519
service and quality across the board plummeted, and Cracker Barrel

806
00:41:35,599 --> 00:41:37,719
was no exception to that. And his point was that

807
00:41:38,159 --> 00:41:41,320
the solution to that is to fix your service problems.

808
00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:45,320
It is not to rebrand in this soulless way that

809
00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:48,920
just demonstrates disdain for your customer base. And I think

810
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:52,880
that the redo of the PEG game was really the

811
00:41:53,119 --> 00:41:55,679
icing on the cake that just showed Jordan hates it.

812
00:41:55,719 --> 00:42:00,719
Look at that face. Used to be used to make

813
00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:02,400
fun of you for being stupid if you weren't good

814
00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:05,039
at this game, and now it's all like nice try.

815
00:42:05,119 --> 00:42:10,280
It's it's the participation trophy of games. And also I'm

816
00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:13,400
pretty sure they spelled a word incorrectly. I saw this

817
00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:17,599
on Fox News that they spelled embarrassed incorrectly. And if

818
00:42:17,599 --> 00:42:22,000
that ain't just so poetic, I mean, yeah, Jordan, I

819
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:24,000
get the sense you've spent a not insignificant amount of

820
00:42:24,039 --> 00:42:26,039
time playing that peg game at Cracker Barrel.

821
00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:30,400
Speaker 5: That is true, and I'm not ignoramus as it says.

822
00:42:30,559 --> 00:42:33,639
Speaker 6: I usually do okay with it. But yeah, I mean,

823
00:42:33,679 --> 00:42:36,960
I think you have to address the root cause. And

824
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:39,480
you know, if we've seen one thing from the Trump administration,

825
00:42:39,639 --> 00:42:41,920
it's that is that they want to go after the

826
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:44,000
root cause. I mean, Trump is a businessman at heart,

827
00:42:44,039 --> 00:42:46,119
and he's not interested in treating symptoms. He went throught

828
00:42:46,119 --> 00:42:48,280
cause me seeing that in Maha, We've seen that in

829
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:53,960
you know, gutting fbidoj corruption, and we need people on

830
00:42:54,039 --> 00:42:56,960
board with that everywhere. If crap girl had just went

831
00:42:57,000 --> 00:42:59,719
after that root cause, they would be far better off

832
00:42:59,719 --> 00:43:01,360
than they now, and instead they tried to treat the

833
00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:05,239
symptom and do it poorly, and now they're worse off.

834
00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:07,599
Speaker 5: So yeah, I think, I don't know.

835
00:43:07,599 --> 00:43:10,000
Speaker 6: Trump is a businessman for a reason, and they tried

836
00:43:10,039 --> 00:43:12,800
to throw him in prison a few times over different

837
00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:15,480
business tactics. But the truth is is like his methods work,

838
00:43:15,559 --> 00:43:18,639
and yeah, they should have listened a lot earlier.

839
00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:20,280
Speaker 5: He should have never had this step in.

840
00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:23,119
Speaker 6: But I'm glad they're listening now and hopefully they continue

841
00:43:23,119 --> 00:43:23,559
to listen.

842
00:43:24,199 --> 00:43:27,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I really like Elle's branding idea. I love it.

843
00:43:27,719 --> 00:43:29,440
I think they should take her advice next. Maybe if

844
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:31,480
we can get in Trump's ear with that idea, we'll

845
00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:35,039
be seeing Uncle Herschel wanted posters everywhere, and all it's

846
00:43:35,039 --> 00:43:36,760
going to take is a true social post from him

847
00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:39,199
and we'll get it. So I think we need to

848
00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:44,360
make Cracker Barrel great again. And yeah, let's see. Let's

849
00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:47,119
see what happens. Elle and Jordan, thank you so much

850
00:43:47,159 --> 00:43:50,000
for joining me today. Appreciated having you as always, and

851
00:43:50,039 --> 00:43:51,960
I hope to have you both back again very soon.

852
00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:59,840
Thanks Kylie, I mean Pebud. Last week, Pete hag Seth

853
00:44:00,039 --> 00:44:03,559
An RFK Junior teamed up to release the Bobby and

854
00:44:03,559 --> 00:44:06,400
Pete Challenge. It was part of the Make America Healthy

855
00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:09,400
Again movement and Fit Not Fat, where they encourage young

856
00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:12,599
healthy Americans to their challenge, which was to do one

857
00:44:12,639 --> 00:44:15,880
hundred push ups and fifty pull ups in any order

858
00:44:16,199 --> 00:44:18,360
in ten minutes or less. Both of these men in

859
00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:20,840
Trump's cabinet successfully did the challenge and they were just

860
00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:23,800
extending it to the rest of America. Here's part of

861
00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:25,199
the video. It's pretty great.

862
00:44:26,559 --> 00:44:26,840
Speaker 2: All right.

863
00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:29,199
Speaker 7: Here we are in the bowels of the Pentagon for

864
00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:32,239
the Pete and Bobby challenge. I think this was your idea,

865
00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:35,079
so I blame you, But it's all about make America

866
00:44:35,119 --> 00:44:37,079
healthy again. We're going to be fit, not fat. We

867
00:44:37,159 --> 00:44:39,880
want recruits that are ready to go and challenge. What

868
00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:40,639
are we doing today?

869
00:44:40,639 --> 00:44:43,199
Speaker 8: Bobby, Oh, Pep and I are going to do our

870
00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:48,639
part encourage American youth to do this challenge. And the

871
00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:52,840
challenge is to do one hundred push ups and fifty

872
00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:55,639
pull ups and any order you on in under ten minutes.

873
00:44:55,840 --> 00:44:58,639
Speaker 7: So five minutes is the is the top standard that

874
00:44:58,679 --> 00:44:59,159
we want to make.

875
00:44:59,159 --> 00:45:23,079
Speaker 1: I'm going to be well. Of course, in response, the

876
00:45:23,159 --> 00:45:27,639
New York Times dug up some experts to warn why

877
00:45:27,679 --> 00:45:30,400
this challenge could be dangerous. It was so funny too,

878
00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:33,719
because they enlisted experts to basically say that RFK Junior

879
00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:36,519
and Pete Hegseth were doing their pull ups wrong. Anyway,

880
00:45:36,559 --> 00:45:39,159
they ended up changing the headline to one hundred pushups

881
00:45:39,199 --> 00:45:41,280
and fifty pull ups in under ten minutes. What could

882
00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:43,639
go wrong? But the point is they had to come

883
00:45:43,639 --> 00:45:47,599
out and say that this regimen or This challenge that

884
00:45:47,719 --> 00:45:51,079
RFK Junior and Pete Hegseth issued was dangerous. And then

885
00:45:51,119 --> 00:45:54,679
this week we were reminded why the Democrat New York

886
00:45:54,719 --> 00:45:57,280
Times had to say that, and that's because this is

887
00:45:57,320 --> 00:45:57,760
their guy.

888
00:46:00,119 --> 00:46:24,519
Speaker 9: Yeah, how you move? Yeah, let go, let go, let's go,

889
00:46:24,719 --> 00:46:29,679
let go. Yeah, let me go, let me get three,

890
00:46:30,159 --> 00:46:31,840
let me get, let me.

891
00:46:31,880 --> 00:46:38,400
Speaker 1: Get It isn't clear. This is Zoron Mumdani, who is

892
00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:40,719
running for mayor of New York City. He is the

893
00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:44,440
avowed communist socialist, just an all around disaster, not only

894
00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:47,880
for the country but specifically for New York City. But

895
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:51,000
he can't even do a bench press. This is the

896
00:46:51,039 --> 00:46:52,760
worst thing I've ever seen. He can't lift the bar.

897
00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:56,280
He can't even do a single rep unassisted. This isn't

898
00:46:56,280 --> 00:46:59,199
just somebody spotting him. This is somebody straight up moving

899
00:46:59,199 --> 00:47:00,840
the bar up and down for him. And look at

900
00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:02,400
his form. It's the worst thing I've ever seen. Look

901
00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:05,320
at his hand placement, totally wrong. Notice that his foot

902
00:47:05,559 --> 00:47:07,960
flails out. When you do a bench press, your feet

903
00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:10,960
should be firmly planted, you should be pushing through your heels.

904
00:47:11,360 --> 00:47:13,840
And this is just truly one of the worst things

905
00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:16,440
I've ever seen, so it's really a beautiful moment of

906
00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:19,800
choose your fighter. Do you want Pete Hegseth or Zoran Mumdannie.

907
00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:23,599
Pretty easy answer for the majority of Americans and specifically

908
00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:26,440
for the type of men that Democrats are desperate to

909
00:47:26,440 --> 00:47:29,760
figure out why they're hemorrhaging. Hmm, why can't they lure

910
00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:35,920
anyone with testosterone into their tent of diversity, equity, inclusion

911
00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:38,480
and whatever the heck this is from Mum Donnie. It's

912
00:47:38,559 --> 00:47:41,079
really quite a mystery. But at the end of the day,

913
00:47:41,199 --> 00:47:44,679
this just fits in so perfectly with all of democrats

914
00:47:44,719 --> 00:47:47,559
other shticks. It's all theater, it's all play acting at

915
00:47:47,599 --> 00:47:52,079
being normal. It's LARPing as being relatable. Remember when Chuck

916
00:47:52,119 --> 00:47:56,199
Schumer posted that ridiculous video of him grilling where it's

917
00:47:56,239 --> 00:47:59,400
like just disgusting raw meat that he's putting cheese on

918
00:47:59,400 --> 00:48:02,199
on the grill, It's like nobody's buying it. Or when

919
00:48:02,199 --> 00:48:07,079
Democrats inorganically curse or drink beer pretending that that's what's

920
00:48:07,119 --> 00:48:08,920
really going to lure the men back to their party,

921
00:48:09,119 --> 00:48:11,400
Or when David Hogg gets on an interview and talks

922
00:48:11,400 --> 00:48:13,880
about getting late, it's like, yeah, Wow, you are so

923
00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:17,400
relatable and so masculine. Or Tim Walls runs on stage

924
00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:19,960
in his camo but waves like this. It's like you

925
00:48:20,039 --> 00:48:23,119
ain't fool in anybody. Nobody's buying what you're selling. So

926
00:48:23,320 --> 00:48:25,960
to Zoran, Mom, Donnie, but also the rest of the

927
00:48:25,960 --> 00:48:28,840
Democrat Party. All I have to say is, I mean,

928
00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:32,320
come on, I mean, peb Oud, that's going to do

929
00:48:32,320 --> 00:48:34,920
it for me today. Thank you so much for tuning

930
00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:37,280
in to this week's edition of The Kylie Cast. I

931
00:48:37,320 --> 00:48:40,800
will be right back here next week with more. Until then,

932
00:48:41,039 --> 00:48:43,719
just remember the truth hurts, but it won't kill you.