Speaker 1: Hello, this is Martin Willis your host, and welcome to
Speaker 1: the show. Tonight's guest is Rabbi Michael Mosh Rothschild. He's
Speaker 1: an Orthodox Rabbi Cabbalist. I'm sorry pronouncing that wrong in
Speaker 1: Ashkenazi saige who brings a fascinating perspective to this UFO topic.
Speaker 1: Rabbi Rothschild has a long standing interest in UFO's UAP disclosure,
Speaker 1: exttress or life, alleged contact and abduction, experiences, consciousness, and
Speaker 1: the possibility that ancient religion's religious traditions may contain reference
Speaker 1: to non human intelligence. Tonight, we're going to explore what
Speaker 1: the discovery of extraterrestrial life could mean for Judaism, religion,
Speaker 1: and humanity's understanding of its place in the universe. We'll
Speaker 1: also discuss government transpends, transparency, congressional hearings, and former Israel
Speaker 1: space security chief Chaiam Ashad's controversial claims regarding extraterrestrial cooperation.
Speaker 1: I'm very interested in that because I remember reading about that,
Speaker 1: so I'm going to touch on that for sure, somewhere
Speaker 1: right near the beginning of our conversation. I want you
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Speaker 1: next Thursday ahead of that. So one more thing. I
Speaker 1: hesitated in starting a new channel for a new YouTube
Speaker 1: channel for my Tesla self driving. It's all about the
Speaker 1: software the car and not about anything else other than
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Speaker 1: but I wanted to separate the Tesla self Driving and
Speaker 1: all that technology. I wanted to separate that from my
Speaker 1: UFO thing. And I know there's a crossover, but I
Speaker 1: just wanted to keep things separate, and that's why I
Speaker 1: did that. All right, So I am ready to bring
Speaker 1: in the Rabbi. Let's welcome to the show.
Speaker 2: Thank you for the opportunity to be here.
Speaker 1: Yes, nice to have you. And so I guess I
Speaker 1: want to ask you right in the very beginning, how
Speaker 1: long have you had an interest in the UFO topic?
Speaker 2: Since approximately two thousand and eight. Prior to two thousand
Speaker 2: and eight, I would consider myself a major skeptic. I
Speaker 2: did not believe the UFO phenomenon was real. I did
Speaker 2: not take it seriously. I thought it was science fiction.
Speaker 2: And as the Internet improved, moving from text based generally
Speaker 2: in the nineteen nineties into image based into the early
Speaker 2: two thousands, and then got into video based and major
Speaker 2: aspects and many documentaries were published online and we saw
Speaker 2: the rise of YouTube. I went down the rabbit hole
Speaker 2: like many people do, to try to get to the
Speaker 2: core of this issue. And one of the most convincing
Speaker 2: pieces of media that I was able to digest was
Speaker 2: doctor Stevid Griers the Disclosure Project, which I'm sure you
Speaker 2: and your audience are somewhat familiar for those who are not,
Speaker 2: This is a two thousand and one, specifically May ninth,
Speaker 2: two thousand and one press conference at the National Press
Speaker 2: Club in Washington, d C. Where doctor Lear had on
Speaker 2: over a dozen whistleblowers who for the first time in
Speaker 2: my life I'd ever seen people with actual data, who
Speaker 2: were vetted military and certainly contractors, not just from the
Speaker 2: United States but globally. And when I for the first
Speaker 2: time saw that these individuals were speaking with such forthrightness,
Speaker 2: such confidence in their evidence, and frankly, with such I
Speaker 2: would say intellect it made me really want to get
Speaker 2: into this topic much more. And while previously I had
Speaker 2: maybe spent a few hours really digging into the world
Speaker 2: of ufology, it started my journey into becoming as much
Speaker 2: of a ufologist as I could, which led me into
Speaker 2: Bob Lazar and alien abductions and certainly the tic tac
Speaker 2: that we would find and the USS Nimics incident and
Speaker 2: all of the major UFO events that we've seen since then.
Speaker 1: Very interesting. Now, I have to say I have said
Speaker 1: a couple of negative things in the past regarding doctor Greer,
Speaker 1: but I'll tell you when he did that press conference.
Speaker 1: That was a major thing, and kudos to him for
Speaker 1: doing that. He started out so strong when he did that.
Speaker 1: But anyway, also, I do have to say that you
Speaker 1: just mentioned Bob Lazar. In my last show Tuesday night,
Speaker 1: was me actually debating because I do not buy Bob
Speaker 1: Blazar's story. So I debated a whole show in that
Speaker 1: just Tuesday Night. So that's just my opinion. I think
Speaker 1: if people really look deeply into his story and really
Speaker 1: spend the time, they'll probably come up the same conclusion
Speaker 1: that I have because I wanted it to be real.
Speaker 1: I wanted that part of it to be real. But
Speaker 1: there's so much more out there and so many things
Speaker 1: that make this whole topic fascinating, and there's really something
Speaker 1: to this.
Speaker 2: Most certainly, and I want the audience to know that
Speaker 2: I don't take everything that they have to say is
Speaker 2: absolute truth either. I'm skeptical of everything that I learned,
Speaker 2: and I generally do my best to take many of
Speaker 2: the opinions within eupology with a grain of salt. But
Speaker 2: these were, specifically doctor Stephen Greer and Bob Lazar, some
Speaker 2: of the higher profile topics that when you first start
Speaker 2: getting into ufology. Yeah, that one may experience, and I
Speaker 2: was absolutely by what was going on, and Whitley Strieber
Speaker 2: certainly some of the other and I also would say
Speaker 2: that Coast to Coast am, I'm sure you're familiar and
Speaker 2: the audience is familiar. It's been a staple in my
Speaker 2: life even before then and ever since I listened to
Speaker 2: it every night i've been a caller. I very much appreciate,
Speaker 2: at least when the topic of uthology is raised, that
Speaker 2: it is raised for a national audience, even though it's
Speaker 2: in the middle of the night. And so these were
Speaker 2: some of the media that were getting me involved and
Speaker 2: really doing my best to move from being a skeptic
Speaker 2: to a believer.
Speaker 1: I met one of my very good friends in the
Speaker 1: UFO world, and that's Christian Lambright. He's been on the
Speaker 1: show a lot, but I met him because I and
Speaker 1: a number of others because I listened to them on
Speaker 1: either Yeah, it was Coast to Coast, but I'm trying
Speaker 1: to think who it was. Maybe with George Nori, I'm
Speaker 1: not sure, but or George Knapp. I can't remember who
Speaker 1: the host was, But anyway, I've met some great people
Speaker 1: by listening to coasts and they have been on this show,
Speaker 1: and it's great that it's at a really great venue
Speaker 1: for listening to all kinds of really strange things, but
Speaker 1: also UFO, you know, and that's what I focused absolutely.
Speaker 2: Agree, especially within uthology, we're limited and where we can
Speaker 2: get resources and primary sources from anything uphology related. You
Speaker 2: generally don't see this in the mainstream, and the coast
Speaker 2: to coast is generally a reliable resource for this type
Speaker 2: of information.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right, that's right. Have you yourself ever had
Speaker 1: any type of sighting that you thought was you couldn't explain.
Speaker 2: Yes, in twenty around twenty thirteen or so, many people
Speaker 2: may recall there where it was the plasma bile wave
Speaker 2: that was a flap around the world. And I was
Speaker 2: someone who always wanted to see a UFO. I wanted
Speaker 2: to see an alien. This was an excitement to me,
Speaker 2: and I never did. But I did have an incident
Speaker 2: where a plasma ball about oh I would say it
Speaker 2: was the size of maybe larger than a beach ball
Speaker 2: or so. It was bright orange. This happened in the evening.
Speaker 2: It flew about twenty feet over my vehicle. I was
Speaker 2: heading about twenty miles per hour and it was heading
Speaker 2: about twenty miles per hour in the opposite direction, and
Speaker 2: I felt that it had an intells that it was
Speaker 2: not man made, that it was something not of this earth.
Speaker 2: And thereafter I talked to some people about it, but
Speaker 2: I didn't report it to move On for many years thereafter.
Speaker 2: But I have reported it since, so it is on
Speaker 2: the record. And I would then go into the research
Speaker 2: of other people who have seen these plasma balls that
Speaker 2: have created crop circles around the world and have been
Speaker 2: chased by helicopters. And I'm not exactly sure what they are,
Speaker 2: but I can say it had an intelligence to it
Speaker 2: that I've never been able to since ever since.
Speaker 1: And I do believe that some of these UFOs do
Speaker 1: represent some non human intelligence. That's just my thoughts. But
Speaker 1: since you just mentioned Mofon, I wanted to just say
Speaker 1: for anyone that's going to the Moufon Symposium this year
Speaker 1: coming up at the very end of this month in August,
Speaker 1: I will be there. I'm not going to be speaking there,
Speaker 1: but I will be running up a couple of panels
Speaker 1: and things like that. But to be nice to hang out,
Speaker 1: I always hang out with a lot of people that
Speaker 1: listen to the show, and that's coming up I think
Speaker 1: on the twenty seventh of this month through the thirtieth.
Speaker 1: I do believe and writes it in Cincinnati, and I
Speaker 1: already have one longtime fan of the show and friend
Speaker 1: that's going to going to meet him for the first time. There.
Speaker 1: Getting back to this, what do you consider the strongest
Speaker 1: evidence that there is something genuinely unexplained interacting with humanity.
Speaker 2: Most certainly, we have the video evidence from verified, credible
Speaker 2: witnesses and sources, including the United States government and other
Speaker 2: governments around the world. That's very difficult to fake. And moreover,
Speaker 2: the people who have interacted with this type of evidence
Speaker 2: are vetted individuals. Their careers have been on the line.
Speaker 2: As has been stated in the past. They've been trusted
Speaker 2: with the secrets of the United States's nuclear program. They
Speaker 2: should be trusted when they make the claims that they do,
Speaker 2: everything from the tic tac Ufo to the evidence that
Speaker 2: was dropped on the front page of the New York
Speaker 2: Times in twenty seventeen to just really we get cell
Speaker 2: phone videos every single day on Twitter, on UFO, Twitter,
Speaker 2: on Reddit that whether we can necessarily verify them is
Speaker 2: another question, but it does lead a lot of credibility
Speaker 2: that this isn't just a once in a decade type
Speaker 2: of event, that this is a regular opportunity for people
Speaker 2: to be able to perhaps document that is really a
Speaker 2: routine part of living on Earth. Moreover, the whistleblowers who
Speaker 2: have spoken out about these cases and many ways have
Speaker 2: nothing to lose. And we'll talk about one of those
Speaker 2: in a few moments, Cima Shed. But some of the
Speaker 2: other whistleblowers that we have who are airline pilots and
Speaker 2: they've worked at NASA, they've been contractors, they've risked their
Speaker 2: entire careers to pursue this issue and to promote it,
Speaker 2: and really that gives some credibility to them because they
Speaker 2: haven't made money off of this most of them. They've
Speaker 2: done it, really at many ways at a detriment to
Speaker 2: their own careers. They've been laughed at, they've been ridiculed,
Speaker 2: yet they stand firm in their beliefs, and there's something
Speaker 2: to that. We can get into more of the fringe
Speaker 2: thoughts of people like Bob Lazaar, or perhaps things like
Speaker 2: alien abductions or alien autopsies. Certainly some Soviet cases that
Speaker 2: occurred during the Cold War of perhaps crashed crafts, but
Speaker 2: really going back to Roswell in nineteen forty seven, there
Speaker 2: have been just constant events that have allowed me personally
Speaker 2: to recognize that there's a lot of evidence here that
Speaker 2: it's varied. That we have physical evidence, perhaps some people
Speaker 2: who have said that they've actually touched the metals at Roswell.
Speaker 2: We have FAA reports, we have radar, we have alien
Speaker 2: abductees who have allegedly been the had some type of
Speaker 2: hybridization program that has occurred, in addition to the military whistleblowers.
Speaker 2: So it's not coming from just one source. The sources
Speaker 2: that we get of the evidence is quite varied. And
Speaker 2: for those who are watching this, if you haven't looked
Speaker 2: into the subject, you need to take it seriously.
Speaker 1: Very good, very good. I'd like to jump right into
Speaker 1: a little bit of UFOs in religion if we could,
Speaker 1: and right off the bat. If extra trust or life
Speaker 1: was confirmed tomorrow, would it challenge Judaism or would it
Speaker 1: somehow fit within Jewish theology?
Speaker 2: It could go either way. Perhaps if we want to
Speaker 2: take this from a timeline, there would be an initial announcement,
Speaker 2: but that probably would not come from the rabbinet or rabbis.
Speaker 2: It would come from governments or scientific institutions, perhaps a
Speaker 2: military organization, even astronomers, or some type of international organization.
Speaker 2: Judaism traditionally does not claim that rabbis will announce a
Speaker 2: scientific discovery. Usually we let people in their fields do that.
Speaker 2: The response, though, would begin, the Jewish response specifically would
Speaker 2: begin at scientific confirmation, So once it had been confirmed
Speaker 2: by some type of international body, then we'd look toward
Speaker 2: chief rabbis. The major post game Halockic decisors basically people
Speaker 2: within the religion who are learned in the law Yeshiva
Speaker 2: leaders or traditional Orthodox Jewish school of leaders, Hasidic rebbies,
Speaker 2: Jewish philosophers to make some determinations on this, and the
Speaker 2: question would shift from is it real? To what does
Speaker 2: Judaism say about it? Specifically, each element of Judaism has
Speaker 2: its own spokespeople the Haredi world or many people the
Speaker 2: Hasidic world, would look at their scholars and postgame within Khabad,
Speaker 2: which is a very public wing within the Hasidic world,
Speaker 2: would look toward the writings and teachings of the Lubavitar rebe,
Speaker 2: and these writings of old would get enormous attention. Within
Speaker 2: the modern Orthodox world, Rabbis who are connected with to
Speaker 2: our science and philosophy would make determinations, and even within
Speaker 2: the religious Zionist wing of the religion would be approached
Speaker 2: by previous rabbis, including Rob Cook, and we would probably
Speaker 2: see an initial shock I think, like most of the world,
Speaker 2: from a global announcement of we are not alone. Everyone
Speaker 2: Jews included, would look toward global media coverage and scientific debate,
Speaker 2: and there'd be political questions and religious discussions, and then
Speaker 2: we would within the first twenty four hours, probably have
Speaker 2: some Jewish community reaction. Does this contradict our creation story?
Speaker 2: Do we still have a special relationship with Ham or God?
Speaker 2: Does this change Torah? A calm response within the Orthodox
Speaker 2: world would probably be the universe is created by God
Speaker 2: or Hashem. What we say is the name and discovery
Speaker 2: does not change the creator. Synagogues and organizations would certainly
Speaker 2: respond generally. Themes that I anticipate we would see is
Speaker 2: that tour remains valid, scientific discovery is part of understanding creation,
Speaker 2: and humanity should respond with humility. There's a question, would
Speaker 2: we have a general panic and fears of our alien's
Speaker 2: dangerous is our religion's fake, our government's hiding information, or
Speaker 2: is humanity vulnerable? And specifically within Judaism, we already have
Speaker 2: categories for angels, spiritual beings, hidden realities, and unknown creation,
Speaker 2: So there isn't necessarily a reason to panic. Some Jews
Speaker 2: might feel that they should leave the religion, that this
Speaker 2: is certainly a possibility. If they recognize that we are
Speaker 2: not alone, some people would perhaps become more religious, at
Speaker 2: least from a doctrinal standpoint. Jews would still keep kosher,
Speaker 2: we would still continue to observe the midst vote. We
Speaker 2: would really be looking more toward this topic from a
Speaker 2: scientific discovery. We would not stop necessarily being keepers of Shabbad.
Speaker 2: Perhaps some adjustments may need to be made if we
Speaker 2: recognize that we weren't alone from a doctrinal standpoint, But
Speaker 2: this is in this coincedes with the religion in general.
Speaker 2: We have had to adapt over the thousands of years
Speaker 2: that we've been a people, and the idea of alien
Speaker 2: disclosure would just be another adaptation that we would make.
Speaker 2: But we would continue loving our families and we would
Speaker 2: continue moving forward as a people.
Speaker 1: Nice does the Torah have any room? I guess I'd
Speaker 1: say for intelligent beings existing elsewhere in the universe.
Speaker 2: Sure, there are certainly discussions what are angels. Generally, the
Speaker 2: term angel means messenger, and specifically there are some cases
Speaker 2: within Judaism that some people interpret to be UFO like events,
Speaker 2: though this is varied and there isn't necessarily an obvious
Speaker 2: UFO event. But usually this event is in the Book
Speaker 2: of Ezekiel, where there is a disc that is discovered
Speaker 2: within a vision of Ezekiel with different faces and different eyes,
Speaker 2: and many people refer to this vision as a flying disc.
Speaker 2: And that might be something that was an ancient interpretation
Speaker 2: of what was being seen, or it could have been
Speaker 2: a non related vision, but generally within the Bible, those
Speaker 2: are the references that are made. Specifically, the Bible is
Speaker 2: quite silent on any type of extraterrestrial being outside of
Speaker 2: the world. Generally, we believe that most Hushem created the
Speaker 2: heavens and the earth, but we don't get really specific
Speaker 2: into other worlds, not within a cabalistic standpoint. There are
Speaker 2: some discussions in Tel Mudik stamp point of perhaps there
Speaker 2: are other dimensions, Perhaps there are other worlds and the
Speaker 2: ancient people could not necessarily describe them, but Unfortunately, there
Speaker 2: is not an excellent resource where we can say yes
Speaker 2: and then this part of the Bible they're referencing some
Speaker 2: type of non human species. Generally, the Bible is written
Speaker 2: in terms of humanity.
Speaker 1: Okay, here's a question from people in chat right here,
Speaker 1: what is your opinion on JD jd Vance maybe doubling
Speaker 1: down on demons. I don't watch the news, so I
Speaker 1: don't know anything about this. Do you know anything about this?
Speaker 2: As I understand that's more of a Christian perspective, which
Speaker 2: people are open to that interpretation. I don't necessarily agree
Speaker 2: with it. And generally within Judaism we do have demonic
Speaker 2: beings that are referenced within Kabbalah, but they aren't normally
Speaker 2: referenced in terms of UFOs or aliens. They are more mysticism.
Speaker 2: The idea in Judaism in general is quite scientific and
Speaker 2: has been for thousands of years, and the idea of
Speaker 2: perhaps alien beings would be another type of species, just
Speaker 2: with a with a genus species, just like we have
Speaker 2: of any type of biology on Earth. But that doesn't
Speaker 2: necessarily mean that there aren't interpretations within Judaism that aliens
Speaker 2: could be demons. But generally that's not mainstream.
Speaker 1: I see, I'm trying to understand this person. I don't
Speaker 1: Wesley Curry, I'm not sure what you're trying to get
Speaker 1: across here. I don't stop freedom of speech. I just
Speaker 1: don't put everyone's chat up there. But anyway, moving on,
Speaker 1: if we would discover that a civilization is far older
Speaker 1: or more advanced than ours, how do you think religious
Speaker 1: texts would be interpreted differently?
Speaker 2: Perhaps they would be an interpreted for individuals as being
Speaker 2: religious writings of their time, So there may be have
Speaker 2: been different epics of human existence. Perhaps there was some
Speaker 2: knowledge that wasn't necessarily written down, perhaps prior to the
Speaker 2: written history that we have within religions. Generally within Judaism,
Speaker 2: we consider Torah to be the holy book that generally
Speaker 2: for mainstream, mainstream Judaism, but that doesn't necessarily mean that
Speaker 2: there aren't cabalistic aspects of our later writings that could
Speaker 2: perhaps be or at least coincide with what's going on
Speaker 2: prior to what we would consider to be traditional creation.
Speaker 2: Really it's up to an individual's interpretation. And then when
Speaker 2: we get into books that at least can be carbon dated,
Speaker 2: that are older than some of the Torah, specifically everything
Speaker 2: within the Hebrew Bible to not questions are raised from
Speaker 2: a scientific perspective more so than a religious perspective.
Speaker 1: Okay, this is really interesting because I've always wondered about
Speaker 1: this type of thing, like the ancient texts and all that,
Speaker 1: and the spiritual intelligence of if there could be a
Speaker 1: spiritual intelligence of a physical extraterrestrial being, would they have
Speaker 1: the same I think about this often. What is it
Speaker 1: like on other worlds? I'm pretty sure that there has
Speaker 1: to be intelligent life out there with all this going on.
Speaker 1: It's just a no brainer, really, And what are things like?
Speaker 1: What are they? What are their worships like? What are there?
Speaker 1: What are things like? I've always wondered what is their
Speaker 1: music like that? That type of things. It fascinates me.
Speaker 1: And one of them is are they do their brains
Speaker 1: develop and the way that ours did, where they have
Speaker 1: to they worship somehow, worshiped some bigger than themselves. I
Speaker 1: don't know if you've thought about things.
Speaker 2: Like that most certainly, when you get into eupology, you
Speaker 2: get into new types of hypotheses like pan spermia, the
Speaker 2: idea that perhaps life existed on some type of asteroid
Speaker 2: that made an impact on Earth and started creation or
Speaker 2: guided pan spermia, that Earth itself has had its evolution
Speaker 2: of all the species influenced in one way or another
Speaker 2: by an extraterrestrial being. These types of questions lend open
Speaker 2: the door for many other questions. And then, okay, if
Speaker 2: we were seated here, if Earth is like a zoo
Speaker 2: or some type of experiment, what do the people or
Speaker 2: I should say, the beings on other planets? What do
Speaker 2: they believe? Have their religious doctrines changed over the course
Speaker 2: of their evolution? And then, of course the great question
Speaker 2: is if we didn't start here naturally and we were
Speaker 2: seated here, then who seated the cedars?
Speaker 1: Yeah? How far back does it go? You're right?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah? And I always think of what was the
Speaker 1: very first bark of life and all that, How did
Speaker 1: that happen?
Speaker 2: And how did that happen? Exactly right? How do you
Speaker 2: go from nothing to something? And I've done my best
Speaker 2: to you know, it's all not just religious thinkers with
Speaker 2: scientists or any rational individual tries to do. And it's paradoxical.
Speaker 2: How can you bring something from nothing? And if you
Speaker 2: are able to bring something for nothing, what happened prior
Speaker 2: to that.
Speaker 1: And what was the first moment of time? All that stuff.
Speaker 1: You can, Yeah, you can be in your head and
Speaker 1: thinking about all this very interesting things. Getting back to
Speaker 1: the ancient Jewish writings, could any of them be interpreted
Speaker 1: in any type of way with contact, like I know,
Speaker 1: like there are things I know you just said one
Speaker 1: of the Ezekiel I believe. So is there any other
Speaker 1: type of non human contact that could be interpreted that way?
Speaker 2: Sure? There are certainly ideas of spirituality, perhaps even more
Speaker 2: recent within the Middle Ages, there's demonic discussion, and prior
Speaker 2: to that, there's angelic discussion. What is an angel? Traditionally
Speaker 2: this is seen as a messenger. There are also discussions
Speaker 2: at least twice within Torah of the Nephelium basically something
Speaker 2: that's interpreted perhaps as fallen ones or giants that mated
Speaker 2: with the women of Earth to perhaps create a species here.
Speaker 2: There's not a lot of writing on this. It's really
Speaker 2: only mentioned twice within Tanak or the Hebrew Bible, but
Speaker 2: it does lead some credence or some credibility that, under
Speaker 2: some interpretations, that perhaps there is more to Earth than
Speaker 2: we may be able to observe.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that often, so thank you for the question.
Speaker 1: Generally brew rufos here we generally put them and caps,
Speaker 1: but I don't remember seeing you here before, so thank
Speaker 1: you for the question. What religions do non human intelligence have?
Speaker 1: Are the more advanced civilizations done with their religion or
Speaker 1: has their religions lasted millennia? This is obviously for an opinion.
Speaker 2: It's an excellent question. I generally, this is just my
Speaker 2: own opinion, believe that they move more toward what we
Speaker 2: would consider humanistic, away from traditional doctrines as science becomes
Speaker 2: more relevant when on whatever planet they are, and I
Speaker 2: believe science then somewhat becomes a religion to them, and
Speaker 2: so they move away from traditional doctrines and writings, perhaps
Speaker 2: on their own planets, into holding science as a religion
Speaker 2: and focusing on their own species and their own self
Speaker 2: worth and really if there are anything like humanity positivity.
Speaker 2: But this is certainly a question that I would love
Speaker 2: to have the answer to as well.
Speaker 1: Okay, So the kabbla is that how I say that
Speaker 1: kabbala ya? How about does that offer a framework for
Speaker 1: understanding realities or forms of intelligence beyond ordinary human perception?
Speaker 2: In some ways it does it's generally known as Jewish mysticism,
Speaker 2: and it's really a collection of writings. There isn't just
Speaker 2: one kabalistic book. It's a collection of writings generally of
Speaker 2: the last two thousand years or so, and things like
Speaker 2: the soul are explored, things like consciousness are explored, what
Speaker 2: free will is, what it is to be a human,
Speaker 2: and there have been different writings that build upon each
Speaker 2: of those. Specifically it the major work is known as
Speaker 2: the Zohar that was written about nine hundred years ago
Speaker 2: or around the year eleven hundred or so, but it's
Speaker 2: an interpretation that traditionally is a thousand years older, that
Speaker 2: was only written in eleven hundred or so of the
Speaker 2: common era. And of this there have been writings since,
Speaker 2: certainly from Kabbalists and other rabbinical authorities, referencing what it
Speaker 2: is to be a human, what is the soul, what
Speaker 2: it is to have just the idea of what being
Speaker 2: a human is. And from those perspectives and consciousness, there
Speaker 2: have been some there has been some elaboration on what
Speaker 2: perhaps we have in the Hebrew Bible and in the Talmud,
Speaker 2: but it's not as scientific as people would want it
Speaker 2: to be. It's very mystical, and now that we're moving
Speaker 2: into the twenty first century, many modern interpretations of cabalistic
Speaker 2: works are being utilized to perhaps be able to explain
Speaker 2: what some cabalistic texts were using modern science.
Speaker 1: Okay, as far as experiences go, a lot of them
Speaker 1: do report telepathy, altered stage of states of consciousness, missing time,
Speaker 1: and also spiritual changes. And how do you interpret those
Speaker 1: type of accounts.
Speaker 2: They're fascinating first and foremost from a scientific perspective, they're evidence.
Speaker 2: Not all evidence has the same necessary value, but these
Speaker 2: are very of extreme value. This is valuable evidence that
Speaker 2: is to be studied. From a religious perspective, we don't
Speaker 2: have a wonderful account of one individual who was perhaps
Speaker 2: teleported or abducted, and this was in our writings. We
Speaker 2: really have to look toward the modern accounts of this.
Speaker 2: But there isn't anything necessarily that contradicts Judaism with the
Speaker 2: idea of telepathy or even the idea of perhaps aliens
Speaker 2: or non or extraterrestrials that have had encounters with humans.
Speaker 2: We recognize, especially in the modern age, that humans are
Speaker 2: perhaps one species of many others within the universe, and
Speaker 2: we may not be alone. We don't necessarily know, and
Speaker 2: it's important not to close our minds off to this,
Speaker 2: as much as it is not to believe everything that
Speaker 2: we encounter.
Speaker 1: There's a question in here that I have talked to
Speaker 1: people about in the past. Wait a minute, wrong question.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I'll get to that one later, Tony. So
Speaker 1: this one right here, Why do you think the Vatican
Speaker 1: has their observatories.
Speaker 2: It's an excellent question. And while I'm not a Roman Catholic,
Speaker 2: I have known of Roman Catholics and I can say
Speaker 2: that certainly the advent of telescopes has been important within
Speaker 2: the history of the Roman Catholic Church in understanding where
Speaker 2: we are in the cosmos, and especially with the development
Speaker 2: of lenses and being able to see further into space
Speaker 2: than previously. The Vatican had a key role in this.
Speaker 2: It was the final arbiter of science from a religious
Speaker 2: perspective in the Western Roman Empire essentially for thousands of years,
Speaker 2: and thus being the final arbiter, it was important for
Speaker 2: that body to be able to have an understanding of
Speaker 2: what was going on in the stars above.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's fascinating they have an observatory in
Speaker 1: the South, in the state here that's supposed to be
Speaker 1: an amazing telescope. I've heard very powerful. Of course, we
Speaker 1: have all types of telescopes around the world, but it's
Speaker 1: an impressive one. Another question here of this since by
Speaker 1: Tony from the UK. If it was announced that religions
Speaker 1: were invented by aliens, how do you think religions would react.
Speaker 1: Do you think they would be united in the reaction?
Speaker 2: This is an excellent question, Tony. If we were to
Speaker 2: find out today or tomorrow that all religion was basically
Speaker 2: from another body or another species, it would certainly be
Speaker 2: a shock to some people or to many people. Would
Speaker 2: we all react in the same way as religions. I
Speaker 2: don't think so. We're unique and people have different opinions
Speaker 2: on this. From some aspects, this would be more evidence
Speaker 2: that religion is correct because these different species had ceded
Speaker 2: this information to us. To others, it may say that, hey,
Speaker 2: that was not exactly how our religious books pose our histories,
Speaker 2: and thus we shouldn't believe that either. In terms of
Speaker 2: the Abrahamic religions, so we're talking about Judaism, Christianity, and Islam,
Speaker 2: I think we'd find a lot of overlap and recognize
Speaker 2: that we all at one time take our sources to
Speaker 2: Abraham and that there may not be that much that
Speaker 2: divides us as we think, and in fact, there's a
Speaker 2: lot more that unifies us. And if this were this
Speaker 2: information were given to us by a non human intelligence,
Speaker 2: that's even more reason for us to become unified and
Speaker 2: focus less on that which divides us and focus more
Speaker 2: on that which unifies us.
Speaker 1: Yes, President Reagan used to say, what if an outside
Speaker 1: species we would have to come together? And yeah, anything
Speaker 1: that would bring us together would be good. So here's
Speaker 1: another one from RUFOS. What are your thoughts on knowing
Speaker 1: instead of believing? A lot of us want to know
Speaker 1: but are not believers or hole a belief we want
Speaker 1: to know but not to believe. Our knowledge can evolve
Speaker 1: with new data info.
Speaker 2: It's an excellent question. I frankly am quite agnostic in
Speaker 2: many of these terms. I do not think that you
Speaker 2: can really know anything, and the more that the less
Speaker 2: you perhaps really understand. You can only have subjective opinions
Speaker 2: on things, but you can't really know anything for certain.
Speaker 2: Everything is an interpretation as a human. In terms of
Speaker 2: being a religious individual, I feel no matter what your
Speaker 2: background is, whether it's Judaism, Christianity, Islam, or the Eastern religions,
Speaker 2: whether you're secular or whatever it may be. At the
Speaker 2: end of the day, you have to be you have
Speaker 2: to lead some credibility to agnosticism because no one can
Speaker 2: really know anything. And that's okay, that's part of the
Speaker 2: being a human. But when we start to say with
Speaker 2: absolute certainty that we know something, we can run into issues.
Speaker 2: So the idea of knowing versus belief. Frankly, I think
Speaker 2: basically everybody just basically believes in things because I don't
Speaker 2: think you can really know anything for certain.
Speaker 1: I want to thank you for that. I think that
Speaker 1: was profound, something that I would not expect to hear
Speaker 1: from someone like yourself. And I agree wholeheartedly, and I
Speaker 1: just want to thank you for admitting that, because it's
Speaker 1: what I have seen a lot of problems with religions
Speaker 1: during my lifetime, is that it's this way or that way,
Speaker 1: and they know, you have to be with us, or
Speaker 1: you have to believe what we believe, you have to
Speaker 1: know what we know, or get out type of thing.
Speaker 1: And you're just open minded enough to say that at
Speaker 1: the end of the day, we really don't know it's
Speaker 1: a belief. It's a belief.
Speaker 2: It takes courage to say this, and people need to
Speaker 2: be courageous, whether they're scientists, where they're religious leaders. We
Speaker 2: have to recognize that we don't know everything, and in fact,
Speaker 2: there's the very real possibility we know nothing. So it's
Speaker 2: always important to question, but to recognize that you can't
Speaker 2: really know anything. It's very philosophical, but it's very true.
Speaker 2: Doubt sure, time a shed, yep.
Speaker 1: Time a shed. Thank you? Did you follow his claims
Speaker 1: that he made, He was absolutely very he was for
Speaker 1: he was a former Israeli space security official.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, this is an individual who is the highest level
Speaker 2: of the Israeli defense. For us, he was a brigadier general.
Speaker 2: To give the audience just an understanding that generally within
Speaker 2: the Israeli military there are no more than twenty four generals,
Speaker 2: so this would be someone similar way in the United
Speaker 2: States the Joint chiefs of Staff who would make the
Speaker 2: claims that he made, which specifically were in December twenty twenty.
Speaker 2: In November of twenty twenty, he published a book in
Speaker 2: Hebrew and then had a interview within Israeli newspaper. In
Speaker 2: December of twenty twenty and some of the claims that
Speaker 2: he made caught the attention of many people around the world,
Speaker 2: including the fact that we are not alone, that there
Speaker 2: are advanced intelligences that have taken a major interest in us,
Speaker 2: That there is a galactic federation, perhaps with at least
Speaker 2: eight different species that is involved, that is studying humanity.
Speaker 2: That Donald Trump is aware of this non human intelligence.
Speaker 2: That perhaps there are bases on Mars that exist that
Speaker 2: may have some kind of non human intelligence and astronaut program.
Speaker 2: That we need to study Mars, not necessarily from just
Speaker 2: a geological standpoint, but also from an archaeological standpoint to
Speaker 2: see if there were perhaps ancient civilizations that were there.
Speaker 2: He talks about consciousness and the idea that death may
Speaker 2: not be the be all and end all of our
Speaker 2: soul or our spirit, that perhaps we are part of
Speaker 2: some type of global interaction, not just global, but universal,
Speaker 2: that the soul may continue post death, and he caught
Speaker 2: a lot of attention for this. He was eighty seven
Speaker 2: years old when he made these claims. He had won
Speaker 2: the highest levels of the Israeli military awards that you
Speaker 2: can win. He really had nothing to lose. He had
Speaker 2: already retired in twenty twelve, around twenty twelve and been
Speaker 2: a lecturer and a contractor, and then all of a sudden,
Speaker 2: right during the pandemic, he made these claims and then disappears.
Speaker 2: And the very interesting aspect of this is where did
Speaker 2: he go? Why did he disappear? And it just so
Speaker 2: happens to be a good timing that he came back
Speaker 2: in June of twenty twenty six, so just a little
Speaker 2: more than a month ago or so, and stated that
Speaker 2: he was still alive. He was ninety three. He had
Speaker 2: an interview in English with Uri Geller, who many people
Speaker 2: may have some familiarity, and doubles down on the Galactic
Speaker 2: Federation claims and says that he maintained his silence because
Speaker 2: of perhaps an interaction with Ben and Black who visited him,
Speaker 2: who had deep personal knowledge of what he of him personally,
Speaker 2: and then also questioned him on nuclear secrets and other
Speaker 2: very very private information that he knew. And now at
Speaker 2: ninety three, I guess he feels like he still has
Speaker 2: nothing to lose, and so he had this interview that
Speaker 2: is available with Uri Geller, and I was relieved to
Speaker 2: know that he was still alive because there were many
Speaker 2: questions that were involved. How could you make such claims
Speaker 2: and then disappear and at least now we know why
Speaker 2: allegedly he disappeared.
Speaker 1: Wow, well that's fascinating. I'll have to check that out.
Speaker 1: I'm sure you're familiar with Diana Pasulka to some extent. Yeah,
Speaker 1: she has done studies on the connection between basically the
Speaker 1: UFO community and like as a religion. So some people
Speaker 1: claim that some of the people in the UFO community
Speaker 1: kind of us this whole idea as a new belief
Speaker 1: system that instead of it like a religion. And I
Speaker 1: just wondered what you thought about that, or if you
Speaker 1: had any opinion about that.
Speaker 2: I would say that any type of new information that
Speaker 2: we have or new takes on ufology are interesting. From
Speaker 2: what I understand that that Diane Pasolka does not argue
Speaker 2: that UFOs are definitively extra to Austril. That she basically
Speaker 2: studies how beliefs and experiences surrounding UFOs resemble the patterns
Speaker 2: that we see in history and religion, and I think
Speaker 2: that her work is certainly valuable in the realm of
Speaker 2: both religion and uphology relevant to perhaps Orthodox Judaism. She
Speaker 2: I would say, would state that from an agnostic standpoint,
Speaker 2: no one really knows, but would have some really interesting
Speaker 2: takes on how disclosure would affect religious belief without claiming
Speaker 2: that any one religion is disproven.
Speaker 1: Do you think that in general our society is spiritually
Speaker 1: and psychologically prepared to learn that we're not alone at
Speaker 1: this point?
Speaker 2: I like to think that we are. We can handle
Speaker 2: this in a mature fashion. I think I'm an advocate
Speaker 2: for whistleblowers and amnesty for government contractors. I feel like
Speaker 2: this is an institute tutional issue that has been forced
Speaker 2: upon are not just the United States in the United States,
Speaker 2: but globally, and that if people have information that is
Speaker 2: important to disclosure, they should feel free to be able
Speaker 2: to proclaim it without feeling any fear of retribution. I
Speaker 2: feel that we are in a period of soft disclosure,
Speaker 2: especially post roswell, and if you look at different polls,
Speaker 2: about fifty percent or more of individuals at least in
Speaker 2: the United States feel we are not alone. And that
Speaker 2: means that you and I are in the majority and
Speaker 2: we are already okay with this idea, and other people
Speaker 2: should be as well. What kind of impact would this have,
Speaker 2: certainly this could cause a shake up in politics and
Speaker 2: religion and science. We would have to recognize that many
Speaker 2: of the developments that we've had from a scientific perspective
Speaker 2: may not have all been of human capability. That many
Speaker 2: of the developments that we've had in technology, especially over
Speaker 2: the course of the last eighty years or so, may
Speaker 2: have been reverse engineered. But that doesn't necessarily mean that
Speaker 2: they're not important to the evolution of humanity. And we
Speaker 2: should handle this discussion and this topic with maturity. We
Speaker 2: shouldn't panic, We shouldn't throw out the baby with the bathwater.
Speaker 2: Science is still important to us, and to recognize that
Speaker 2: not being alone is not the end of the world.
Speaker 2: It's just the.
Speaker 1: Yeah. You mentioned and towards the very beginning of this
Speaker 1: talk something about you wanted to go talk a little
Speaker 1: more about whistleblowers.
Speaker 2: I think you said, certainly just from Kimashd's perspective and
Speaker 2: many of the other whistleblowers, whether you consider them credible
Speaker 2: or not, there's a lot of emphasis I would say
Speaker 2: on where's your evidence? Do you have physical evidence? If
Speaker 2: you have physical evidence, you're going to find a knock
Speaker 2: at your door of somebody who's going to confiscate that evidence.
Speaker 2: So much of the whistleblower testimony that we have is
Speaker 2: just that it's testimony, it's words, it's writings, but it's
Speaker 2: not it doesn't live up to the scientific method. We
Speaker 2: want to be able to test these different metals or
Speaker 2: different elements, and we want to be able to use
Speaker 2: scientific method against them, and really at this point we're
Speaker 2: not able to. I would say as well that many
Speaker 2: of the people who are especially in the military, and
Speaker 2: want to be whistleblowers or know something or say something
Speaker 2: behind closed doors, have their retirements threatened, and that shouldn't
Speaker 2: be held over their head as well. I don't feel
Speaker 2: in terms of people who are alien abductees, we should
Speaker 2: take their claims with some credibility once they're vetted, because
Speaker 2: this may be a very real possibility, and they shouldn't
Speaker 2: be laughed at and they shouldn't be made the butt
Speaker 2: of a joke because much of what we've gleaned from
Speaker 2: the specifics of alien civilization comes from their testimony. So
Speaker 2: just overall, I'm a major advocate of whistle blowers. I
Speaker 2: want protections for whistleblowers, specifically in ufology. I'm an advocate
Speaker 2: for amnesty for those who feel that their positions and
Speaker 2: their retirements may be in jeopardy if they were to
Speaker 2: make claims. I'm about free flowing of information and eupology
Speaker 2: is no exception to that.
Speaker 1: Okay, the last question, then, I'm going to have you
Speaker 1: tell everyone what you're doing with live stream and all that. So,
Speaker 1: if non human intelligent is already interacting with us, why
Speaker 1: do you think it's chosen? And bigod boy, I'm having
Speaker 1: trouble talking today. Why do you think it's not just
Speaker 1: unmistakable open contact?
Speaker 2: It's an excellent question, at least according to Chimershen. He
Speaker 2: has stated that these alien civilations feel we are not
Speaker 2: ready yet. Maybe perhaps they consider us to be primitive,
Speaker 2: maybe they consider us to not have had the ability
Speaker 2: to share the information with a wide enough array of individuals.
Speaker 2: But the overall thought is that we are not ready yet. Personally,
Speaker 2: I tend to believe this as well, that for one
Speaker 2: reason or another, they feel that the secretiveness of their
Speaker 2: being is important. I look at how we study different biology,
Speaker 2: and many times we want to observe it without being detected,
Speaker 2: because then we can see it in its natural element.
Speaker 2: And perhaps aliens feel the same way about humanity not
Speaker 2: exactly sure. There is the idea though, that for as
Speaker 2: advances we feel we are as a species, we are
Speaker 2: still not even a type one civilization on the Kardashev scale.
Speaker 2: And if these different civilizations are as advanced as they are,
Speaker 2: we're frankly babies in comparison to their adulthood, and it
Speaker 2: just isn't something that we're able to communicate with them
Speaker 2: necessarily on the same level. And hopefully as humanity continues
Speaker 2: to mature and we continue to evolve in advance, we'll
Speaker 2: be able to make contact with them and be taken seriously.
Speaker 2: But for the time being, it seems as if aliens
Speaker 2: feel that their secretiveness is important to the study of humans,
Speaker 2: and just overall we're not ready yet.
Speaker 1: I think that's a really good answer. So I didn't
Speaker 1: catch this question earlier, And Christopher always has great questions.
Speaker 1: Given that no one can know, I into it that
Speaker 1: you may have already imaginative notions about specifics of what
Speaker 1: extratrestlos are. As a lover of folklore, do have a
Speaker 1: favorite tale that could be about.
Speaker 2: Ets, certainly Ezekiel's Wheel, if it isn't just a vision
Speaker 2: and was an actual close encounter would be fascinating to me.
Speaker 2: That is something that I hold closely. Certainly some of
Speaker 2: the ancient Sanskrit documents, perhaps some elements of the Epic
Speaker 2: of Guild Gummesh or the Book of Enoch are quite
Speaker 2: of interest to me. Even in things that we see
Speaker 2: from folklore of more modern times, in different wood carvings
Speaker 2: from the Middle Ages, or even in just Renaissance, are
Speaker 2: interesting flying objects that we may see. Those are all
Speaker 2: of fascination to me because it really recognizes that the
Speaker 2: questions that we're currently having in the modern age have
Speaker 2: been asked for centuries and millennia in the past. But
Speaker 2: if I had to choose one, I would probably say
Speaker 2: if Ezekiel's Wheel is to be considered some type of folklore,
Speaker 2: that would be a distinct interest to me.
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