WEBVTT 1 00:00:20.440 --> 00:00:23.120 Hello, this is Martin Willis your host, and welcome to 2 00:00:23.160 --> 00:00:28.440 the show. Tonight's guest is Rabbi Michael Mosh Rothschild. He's 3 00:00:28.480 --> 00:00:34.079 an Orthodox Rabbi Cabbalist. I'm sorry pronouncing that wrong in 4 00:00:34.200 --> 00:00:39.920 Ashkenazi saige who brings a fascinating perspective to this UFO topic. 5 00:00:40.920 --> 00:00:45.479 Rabbi Rothschild has a long standing interest in UFO's UAP disclosure, 6 00:00:46.039 --> 00:00:52.079 exttress or life, alleged contact and abduction, experiences, consciousness, and 7 00:00:52.119 --> 00:00:58.200 the possibility that ancient religion's religious traditions may contain reference 8 00:00:58.240 --> 00:01:01.960 to non human intelligence. Tonight, we're going to explore what 9 00:01:02.159 --> 00:01:07.200 the discovery of extraterrestrial life could mean for Judaism, religion, 10 00:01:07.599 --> 00:01:11.439 and humanity's understanding of its place in the universe. We'll 11 00:01:11.439 --> 00:01:17.840 also discuss government transpends, transparency, congressional hearings, and former Israel 12 00:01:17.959 --> 00:01:25.560 space security chief Chaiam Ashad's controversial claims regarding extraterrestrial cooperation. 13 00:01:26.079 --> 00:01:29.040 I'm very interested in that because I remember reading about that, 14 00:01:29.719 --> 00:01:33.840 so I'm going to touch on that for sure, somewhere 15 00:01:34.120 --> 00:01:37.040 right near the beginning of our conversation. I want you 16 00:01:37.079 --> 00:01:40.879 to check out this week's blog over at PODCASTUFO dot com. 17 00:01:41.040 --> 00:01:44.480 That's by Charles Lear as usual and the title is 18 00:01:44.519 --> 00:01:47.719 an academic looks into the Men in Black after a 19 00:01:47.879 --> 00:01:52.120 Man in Black looked into him. Next Tuesday. Our shows 20 00:01:52.120 --> 00:01:54.879 are always at a pm Eastern, and we have the 21 00:01:54.920 --> 00:01:58.280 one and only Ronnie LeBlanc. He'll be on a week 22 00:01:58.319 --> 00:02:02.519 from a week from today, we have Professor Matthew Bowman 23 00:02:02.920 --> 00:02:06.840 talking about the Betty and Barney Hill incident. He's going 24 00:02:06.879 --> 00:02:10.120 to be lecturing. Actually we have a local exhibit here 25 00:02:10.120 --> 00:02:12.800 because I'm right in Portsmouth, New Hampshire, where Betty and 26 00:02:12.840 --> 00:02:15.800 Barney Hill lived. He's going to be doing an online 27 00:02:15.919 --> 00:02:19.280 lecture and I got him to be on the show 28 00:02:19.400 --> 00:02:22.639 next Thursday ahead of that. So one more thing. I 29 00:02:22.719 --> 00:02:26.360 hesitated in starting a new channel for a new YouTube 30 00:02:26.439 --> 00:02:30.080 channel for my Tesla self driving. It's all about the 31 00:02:30.120 --> 00:02:34.080 software the car and not about anything else other than 32 00:02:34.120 --> 00:02:37.520 that and me taking adventures that I do with the car. 33 00:02:37.800 --> 00:02:39.879 So I have a YouTube channel and that's down in 34 00:02:40.000 --> 00:02:43.639 the notes down below, and so check out that channel 35 00:02:43.639 --> 00:02:47.080 and please subscribe. It's hard starting YouTube channel from scratch, 36 00:02:47.120 --> 00:02:51.680 but I wanted to separate the Tesla self Driving and 37 00:02:51.719 --> 00:02:54.680 all that technology. I wanted to separate that from my 38 00:02:54.800 --> 00:02:57.520 UFO thing. And I know there's a crossover, but I 39 00:02:57.599 --> 00:02:59.439 just wanted to keep things separate, and that's why I 40 00:02:59.479 --> 00:03:03.360 did that. All right, So I am ready to bring 41 00:03:03.400 --> 00:03:07.280 in the Rabbi. Let's welcome to the show. 42 00:03:07.800 --> 00:03:09.639 Thank you for the opportunity to be here. 43 00:03:10.319 --> 00:03:12.759 Yes, nice to have you. And so I guess I 44 00:03:12.840 --> 00:03:15.840 want to ask you right in the very beginning, how 45 00:03:15.879 --> 00:03:18.439 long have you had an interest in the UFO topic? 46 00:03:19.360 --> 00:03:22.879 Since approximately two thousand and eight. Prior to two thousand 47 00:03:22.919 --> 00:03:25.439 and eight, I would consider myself a major skeptic. I 48 00:03:25.479 --> 00:03:29.560 did not believe the UFO phenomenon was real. I did 49 00:03:29.599 --> 00:03:31.960 not take it seriously. I thought it was science fiction. 50 00:03:32.680 --> 00:03:38.560 And as the Internet improved, moving from text based generally 51 00:03:38.759 --> 00:03:43.120 in the nineteen nineties into image based into the early 52 00:03:43.159 --> 00:03:47.599 two thousands, and then got into video based and major 53 00:03:47.639 --> 00:03:51.280 aspects and many documentaries were published online and we saw 54 00:03:51.319 --> 00:03:54.479 the rise of YouTube. I went down the rabbit hole 55 00:03:54.560 --> 00:03:57.639 like many people do, to try to get to the 56 00:03:57.680 --> 00:04:01.039 core of this issue. And one of the most convincing 57 00:04:01.680 --> 00:04:05.560 pieces of media that I was able to digest was 58 00:04:05.800 --> 00:04:09.080 doctor Stevid Griers the Disclosure Project, which I'm sure you 59 00:04:09.120 --> 00:04:12.560 and your audience are somewhat familiar for those who are not, 60 00:04:12.759 --> 00:04:16.879 This is a two thousand and one, specifically May ninth, 61 00:04:16.959 --> 00:04:20.319 two thousand and one press conference at the National Press 62 00:04:20.360 --> 00:04:24.399 Club in Washington, d C. Where doctor Lear had on 63 00:04:24.680 --> 00:04:28.120 over a dozen whistleblowers who for the first time in 64 00:04:28.160 --> 00:04:31.959 my life I'd ever seen people with actual data, who 65 00:04:32.000 --> 00:04:37.399 were vetted military and certainly contractors, not just from the 66 00:04:37.480 --> 00:04:40.360 United States but globally. And when I for the first 67 00:04:40.439 --> 00:04:46.399 time saw that these individuals were speaking with such forthrightness, 68 00:04:46.639 --> 00:04:52.680 such confidence in their evidence, and frankly, with such I 69 00:04:52.720 --> 00:04:56.120 would say intellect it made me really want to get 70 00:04:56.120 --> 00:04:59.519 into this topic much more. And while previously I had 71 00:04:59.560 --> 00:05:03.600 maybe spent a few hours really digging into the world 72 00:05:03.600 --> 00:05:08.920 of ufology, it started my journey into becoming as much 73 00:05:08.959 --> 00:05:11.680 of a ufologist as I could, which led me into 74 00:05:11.720 --> 00:05:16.839 Bob Lazar and alien abductions and certainly the tic tac 75 00:05:16.959 --> 00:05:20.319 that we would find and the USS Nimics incident and 76 00:05:20.560 --> 00:05:24.720 all of the major UFO events that we've seen since then. 77 00:05:25.839 --> 00:05:28.639 Very interesting. Now, I have to say I have said 78 00:05:29.000 --> 00:05:32.439 a couple of negative things in the past regarding doctor Greer, 79 00:05:32.519 --> 00:05:34.959 but I'll tell you when he did that press conference. 80 00:05:35.279 --> 00:05:37.839 That was a major thing, and kudos to him for 81 00:05:37.920 --> 00:05:41.279 doing that. He started out so strong when he did that. 82 00:05:41.959 --> 00:05:44.920 But anyway, also, I do have to say that you 83 00:05:45.000 --> 00:05:47.560 just mentioned Bob Lazar. In my last show Tuesday night, 84 00:05:47.680 --> 00:05:51.439 was me actually debating because I do not buy Bob 85 00:05:51.439 --> 00:05:54.360 Blazar's story. So I debated a whole show in that 86 00:05:54.560 --> 00:05:57.879 just Tuesday Night. So that's just my opinion. I think 87 00:05:57.920 --> 00:06:01.560 if people really look deeply into his story and really 88 00:06:01.600 --> 00:06:04.360 spend the time, they'll probably come up the same conclusion 89 00:06:04.360 --> 00:06:06.120 that I have because I wanted it to be real. 90 00:06:06.160 --> 00:06:08.399 I wanted that part of it to be real. But 91 00:06:08.439 --> 00:06:11.639 there's so much more out there and so many things 92 00:06:11.639 --> 00:06:16.120 that make this whole topic fascinating, and there's really something 93 00:06:16.160 --> 00:06:16.480 to this. 94 00:06:17.519 --> 00:06:20.240 Most certainly, and I want the audience to know that 95 00:06:20.279 --> 00:06:22.439 I don't take everything that they have to say is 96 00:06:22.480 --> 00:06:26.560 absolute truth either. I'm skeptical of everything that I learned, 97 00:06:26.920 --> 00:06:29.839 and I generally do my best to take many of 98 00:06:29.879 --> 00:06:32.519 the opinions within eupology with a grain of salt. But 99 00:06:32.560 --> 00:06:36.800 these were, specifically doctor Stephen Greer and Bob Lazar, some 100 00:06:36.839 --> 00:06:40.519 of the higher profile topics that when you first start 101 00:06:40.560 --> 00:06:44.279 getting into ufology. Yeah, that one may experience, and I 102 00:06:44.399 --> 00:06:47.639 was absolutely by what was going on, and Whitley Strieber 103 00:06:47.800 --> 00:06:50.920 certainly some of the other and I also would say 104 00:06:51.000 --> 00:06:53.920 that Coast to Coast am, I'm sure you're familiar and 105 00:06:53.959 --> 00:06:56.920 the audience is familiar. It's been a staple in my 106 00:06:57.000 --> 00:06:59.800 life even before then and ever since I listened to 107 00:06:59.879 --> 00:07:03.439 it every night i've been a caller. I very much appreciate, 108 00:07:03.759 --> 00:07:06.839 at least when the topic of uthology is raised, that 109 00:07:06.959 --> 00:07:09.079 it is raised for a national audience, even though it's 110 00:07:09.120 --> 00:07:11.120 in the middle of the night. And so these were 111 00:07:11.160 --> 00:07:15.079 some of the media that were getting me involved and 112 00:07:15.160 --> 00:07:18.120 really doing my best to move from being a skeptic 113 00:07:18.160 --> 00:07:18.720 to a believer. 114 00:07:19.720 --> 00:07:21.800 I met one of my very good friends in the 115 00:07:21.920 --> 00:07:25.199 UFO world, and that's Christian Lambright. He's been on the 116 00:07:25.240 --> 00:07:27.759 show a lot, but I met him because I and 117 00:07:28.319 --> 00:07:30.560 a number of others because I listened to them on 118 00:07:31.360 --> 00:07:33.480 either Yeah, it was Coast to Coast, but I'm trying 119 00:07:33.480 --> 00:07:35.279 to think who it was. Maybe with George Nori, I'm 120 00:07:35.319 --> 00:07:38.480 not sure, but or George Knapp. I can't remember who 121 00:07:38.480 --> 00:07:41.519 the host was, But anyway, I've met some great people 122 00:07:41.560 --> 00:07:43.959 by listening to coasts and they have been on this show, 123 00:07:44.480 --> 00:07:49.279 and it's great that it's at a really great venue 124 00:07:49.279 --> 00:07:53.120 for listening to all kinds of really strange things, but 125 00:07:53.240 --> 00:07:57.480 also UFO, you know, and that's what I focused absolutely. 126 00:07:57.040 --> 00:08:00.720 Agree, especially within uthology, we're limited and where we can 127 00:08:00.759 --> 00:08:05.360 get resources and primary sources from anything uphology related. You 128 00:08:05.560 --> 00:08:08.560 generally don't see this in the mainstream, and the coast 129 00:08:08.639 --> 00:08:12.000 to coast is generally a reliable resource for this type 130 00:08:12.000 --> 00:08:12.600 of information. 131 00:08:13.199 --> 00:08:16.439 Yeah, that's right, that's right. Have you yourself ever had 132 00:08:16.480 --> 00:08:19.800 any type of sighting that you thought was you couldn't explain. 133 00:08:20.360 --> 00:08:24.839 Yes, in twenty around twenty thirteen or so, many people 134 00:08:24.920 --> 00:08:28.839 may recall there where it was the plasma bile wave 135 00:08:29.000 --> 00:08:32.600 that was a flap around the world. And I was 136 00:08:32.679 --> 00:08:35.200 someone who always wanted to see a UFO. I wanted 137 00:08:35.240 --> 00:08:37.720 to see an alien. This was an excitement to me, 138 00:08:37.759 --> 00:08:40.120 and I never did. But I did have an incident 139 00:08:40.159 --> 00:08:44.120 where a plasma ball about oh I would say it 140 00:08:44.159 --> 00:08:46.279 was the size of maybe larger than a beach ball 141 00:08:46.360 --> 00:08:50.240 or so. It was bright orange. This happened in the evening. 142 00:08:50.279 --> 00:08:53.159 It flew about twenty feet over my vehicle. I was 143 00:08:53.200 --> 00:08:55.720 heading about twenty miles per hour and it was heading 144 00:08:55.720 --> 00:08:58.559 about twenty miles per hour in the opposite direction, and 145 00:08:58.679 --> 00:09:01.039 I felt that it had an intells that it was 146 00:09:01.080 --> 00:09:04.240 not man made, that it was something not of this earth. 147 00:09:04.720 --> 00:09:08.120 And thereafter I talked to some people about it, but 148 00:09:08.159 --> 00:09:10.639 I didn't report it to move On for many years thereafter. 149 00:09:10.679 --> 00:09:13.120 But I have reported it since, so it is on 150 00:09:13.159 --> 00:09:17.279 the record. And I would then go into the research 151 00:09:17.320 --> 00:09:19.759 of other people who have seen these plasma balls that 152 00:09:19.799 --> 00:09:22.240 have created crop circles around the world and have been 153 00:09:22.320 --> 00:09:25.759 chased by helicopters. And I'm not exactly sure what they are, 154 00:09:25.960 --> 00:09:28.360 but I can say it had an intelligence to it 155 00:09:28.679 --> 00:09:32.320 that I've never been able to since ever since. 156 00:09:32.679 --> 00:09:35.759 And I do believe that some of these UFOs do 157 00:09:35.919 --> 00:09:40.759 represent some non human intelligence. That's just my thoughts. But 158 00:09:40.960 --> 00:09:43.279 since you just mentioned Mofon, I wanted to just say 159 00:09:43.639 --> 00:09:47.000 for anyone that's going to the Moufon Symposium this year 160 00:09:47.360 --> 00:09:49.639 coming up at the very end of this month in August, 161 00:09:49.960 --> 00:09:52.320 I will be there. I'm not going to be speaking there, 162 00:09:52.320 --> 00:09:54.360 but I will be running up a couple of panels 163 00:09:54.399 --> 00:09:56.799 and things like that. But to be nice to hang out, 164 00:09:56.879 --> 00:09:58.879 I always hang out with a lot of people that 165 00:09:58.960 --> 00:10:01.320 listen to the show, and that's coming up I think 166 00:10:01.360 --> 00:10:04.840 on the twenty seventh of this month through the thirtieth. 167 00:10:04.879 --> 00:10:07.320 I do believe and writes it in Cincinnati, and I 168 00:10:07.399 --> 00:10:10.840 already have one longtime fan of the show and friend 169 00:10:10.840 --> 00:10:13.360 that's going to going to meet him for the first time. There. 170 00:10:13.600 --> 00:10:17.720 Getting back to this, what do you consider the strongest 171 00:10:17.840 --> 00:10:23.840 evidence that there is something genuinely unexplained interacting with humanity. 172 00:10:24.879 --> 00:10:29.679 Most certainly, we have the video evidence from verified, credible 173 00:10:29.720 --> 00:10:34.159 witnesses and sources, including the United States government and other 174 00:10:34.240 --> 00:10:40.679 governments around the world. That's very difficult to fake. And moreover, 175 00:10:40.879 --> 00:10:45.000 the people who have interacted with this type of evidence 176 00:10:45.360 --> 00:10:47.960 are vetted individuals. Their careers have been on the line. 177 00:10:48.320 --> 00:10:50.960 As has been stated in the past. They've been trusted 178 00:10:51.519 --> 00:10:56.759 with the secrets of the United States's nuclear program. They 179 00:10:56.799 --> 00:11:00.399 should be trusted when they make the claims that they do, 180 00:11:00.799 --> 00:11:05.159 everything from the tic tac Ufo to the evidence that 181 00:11:05.240 --> 00:11:07.200 was dropped on the front page of the New York 182 00:11:07.279 --> 00:11:11.279 Times in twenty seventeen to just really we get cell 183 00:11:11.279 --> 00:11:15.440 phone videos every single day on Twitter, on UFO, Twitter, 184 00:11:15.840 --> 00:11:20.039 on Reddit that whether we can necessarily verify them is 185 00:11:20.039 --> 00:11:23.639 another question, but it does lead a lot of credibility 186 00:11:23.679 --> 00:11:27.480 that this isn't just a once in a decade type 187 00:11:27.519 --> 00:11:30.919 of event, that this is a regular opportunity for people 188 00:11:31.240 --> 00:11:36.039 to be able to perhaps document that is really a 189 00:11:36.120 --> 00:11:40.440 routine part of living on Earth. Moreover, the whistleblowers who 190 00:11:40.519 --> 00:11:44.360 have spoken out about these cases and many ways have 191 00:11:44.399 --> 00:11:46.360 nothing to lose. And we'll talk about one of those 192 00:11:46.519 --> 00:11:49.080 in a few moments, Cima Shed. But some of the 193 00:11:49.120 --> 00:11:52.399 other whistleblowers that we have who are airline pilots and 194 00:11:52.440 --> 00:11:55.480 they've worked at NASA, they've been contractors, they've risked their 195 00:11:55.639 --> 00:12:00.159 entire careers to pursue this issue and to promote it, 196 00:12:00.559 --> 00:12:04.120 and really that gives some credibility to them because they 197 00:12:04.120 --> 00:12:07.120 haven't made money off of this most of them. They've 198 00:12:07.120 --> 00:12:10.200 done it, really at many ways at a detriment to 199 00:12:10.279 --> 00:12:13.600 their own careers. They've been laughed at, they've been ridiculed, 200 00:12:13.960 --> 00:12:16.879 yet they stand firm in their beliefs, and there's something 201 00:12:16.960 --> 00:12:19.919 to that. We can get into more of the fringe 202 00:12:20.039 --> 00:12:23.639 thoughts of people like Bob Lazaar, or perhaps things like 203 00:12:23.720 --> 00:12:29.639 alien abductions or alien autopsies. Certainly some Soviet cases that 204 00:12:29.720 --> 00:12:33.799 occurred during the Cold War of perhaps crashed crafts, but 205 00:12:33.960 --> 00:12:38.039 really going back to Roswell in nineteen forty seven, there 206 00:12:38.080 --> 00:12:43.600 have been just constant events that have allowed me personally 207 00:12:43.960 --> 00:12:46.480 to recognize that there's a lot of evidence here that 208 00:12:46.559 --> 00:12:49.919 it's varied. That we have physical evidence, perhaps some people 209 00:12:49.919 --> 00:12:52.759 who have said that they've actually touched the metals at Roswell. 210 00:12:53.039 --> 00:12:57.320 We have FAA reports, we have radar, we have alien 211 00:12:57.320 --> 00:13:01.320 abductees who have allegedly been the had some type of 212 00:13:01.919 --> 00:13:06.759 hybridization program that has occurred, in addition to the military whistleblowers. 213 00:13:06.879 --> 00:13:10.960 So it's not coming from just one source. The sources 214 00:13:10.960 --> 00:13:13.440 that we get of the evidence is quite varied. And 215 00:13:13.480 --> 00:13:15.480 for those who are watching this, if you haven't looked 216 00:13:15.480 --> 00:13:17.399 into the subject, you need to take it seriously. 217 00:13:18.600 --> 00:13:21.360 Very good, very good. I'd like to jump right into 218 00:13:21.679 --> 00:13:25.120 a little bit of UFOs in religion if we could, 219 00:13:26.000 --> 00:13:30.440 and right off the bat. If extra trust or life 220 00:13:30.519 --> 00:13:35.320 was confirmed tomorrow, would it challenge Judaism or would it 221 00:13:35.559 --> 00:13:38.360 somehow fit within Jewish theology? 222 00:13:39.000 --> 00:13:41.480 It could go either way. Perhaps if we want to 223 00:13:41.480 --> 00:13:44.799 take this from a timeline, there would be an initial announcement, 224 00:13:44.879 --> 00:13:48.000 but that probably would not come from the rabbinet or rabbis. 225 00:13:48.039 --> 00:13:51.399 It would come from governments or scientific institutions, perhaps a 226 00:13:51.440 --> 00:13:56.039 military organization, even astronomers, or some type of international organization. 227 00:13:56.600 --> 00:14:00.720 Judaism traditionally does not claim that rabbis will announce a 228 00:14:00.799 --> 00:14:05.000 scientific discovery. Usually we let people in their fields do that. 229 00:14:05.440 --> 00:14:10.240 The response, though, would begin, the Jewish response specifically would 230 00:14:10.279 --> 00:14:14.679 begin at scientific confirmation, So once it had been confirmed 231 00:14:14.679 --> 00:14:18.159 by some type of international body, then we'd look toward 232 00:14:18.559 --> 00:14:22.879 chief rabbis. The major post game Halockic decisors basically people 233 00:14:22.919 --> 00:14:26.000 within the religion who are learned in the law Yeshiva 234 00:14:26.080 --> 00:14:31.159 leaders or traditional Orthodox Jewish school of leaders, Hasidic rebbies, 235 00:14:31.519 --> 00:14:35.840 Jewish philosophers to make some determinations on this, and the 236 00:14:36.000 --> 00:14:38.960 question would shift from is it real? To what does 237 00:14:39.039 --> 00:14:44.600 Judaism say about it? Specifically, each element of Judaism has 238 00:14:44.639 --> 00:14:48.559 its own spokespeople the Haredi world or many people the 239 00:14:48.600 --> 00:14:53.240 Hasidic world, would look at their scholars and postgame within Khabad, 240 00:14:53.320 --> 00:14:57.639 which is a very public wing within the Hasidic world, 241 00:14:57.919 --> 00:15:03.960 would look toward the writings and teachings of the Lubavitar rebe, 242 00:15:04.320 --> 00:15:09.440 and these writings of old would get enormous attention. Within 243 00:15:09.480 --> 00:15:12.840 the modern Orthodox world, Rabbis who are connected with to 244 00:15:12.840 --> 00:15:16.399 our science and philosophy would make determinations, and even within 245 00:15:16.639 --> 00:15:20.720 the religious Zionist wing of the religion would be approached 246 00:15:20.759 --> 00:15:25.320 by previous rabbis, including Rob Cook, and we would probably 247 00:15:25.360 --> 00:15:29.519 see an initial shock I think, like most of the world, 248 00:15:29.799 --> 00:15:34.480 from a global announcement of we are not alone. Everyone 249 00:15:34.559 --> 00:15:38.320 Jews included, would look toward global media coverage and scientific debate, 250 00:15:38.360 --> 00:15:42.720 and there'd be political questions and religious discussions, and then 251 00:15:42.960 --> 00:15:45.720 we would within the first twenty four hours, probably have 252 00:15:45.840 --> 00:15:50.120 some Jewish community reaction. Does this contradict our creation story? 253 00:15:50.600 --> 00:15:53.840 Do we still have a special relationship with Ham or God? 254 00:15:54.120 --> 00:15:57.840 Does this change Torah? A calm response within the Orthodox 255 00:15:57.879 --> 00:16:00.720 world would probably be the universe is created by God 256 00:16:00.799 --> 00:16:03.720 or Hashem. What we say is the name and discovery 257 00:16:03.759 --> 00:16:08.000 does not change the creator. Synagogues and organizations would certainly 258 00:16:08.039 --> 00:16:11.480 respond generally. Themes that I anticipate we would see is 259 00:16:11.519 --> 00:16:15.879 that tour remains valid, scientific discovery is part of understanding creation, 260 00:16:16.279 --> 00:16:20.480 and humanity should respond with humility. There's a question, would 261 00:16:20.480 --> 00:16:24.720 we have a general panic and fears of our alien's 262 00:16:24.799 --> 00:16:29.279 dangerous is our religion's fake, our government's hiding information, or 263 00:16:29.440 --> 00:16:34.039 is humanity vulnerable? And specifically within Judaism, we already have 264 00:16:34.159 --> 00:16:38.440 categories for angels, spiritual beings, hidden realities, and unknown creation, 265 00:16:38.840 --> 00:16:42.919 So there isn't necessarily a reason to panic. Some Jews 266 00:16:43.000 --> 00:16:45.559 might feel that they should leave the religion, that this 267 00:16:45.679 --> 00:16:48.679 is certainly a possibility. If they recognize that we are 268 00:16:48.799 --> 00:16:53.399 not alone, some people would perhaps become more religious, at 269 00:16:53.480 --> 00:16:57.519 least from a doctrinal standpoint. Jews would still keep kosher, 270 00:16:57.799 --> 00:17:00.759 we would still continue to observe the midst vote. We 271 00:17:00.799 --> 00:17:04.240 would really be looking more toward this topic from a 272 00:17:04.279 --> 00:17:10.039 scientific discovery. We would not stop necessarily being keepers of Shabbad. 273 00:17:10.400 --> 00:17:13.680 Perhaps some adjustments may need to be made if we 274 00:17:13.759 --> 00:17:17.960 recognize that we weren't alone from a doctrinal standpoint, But 275 00:17:18.240 --> 00:17:21.960 this is in this coincedes with the religion in general. 276 00:17:22.200 --> 00:17:25.880 We have had to adapt over the thousands of years 277 00:17:25.880 --> 00:17:29.519 that we've been a people, and the idea of alien 278 00:17:29.559 --> 00:17:32.279 disclosure would just be another adaptation that we would make. 279 00:17:32.480 --> 00:17:35.119 But we would continue loving our families and we would 280 00:17:35.119 --> 00:17:37.000 continue moving forward as a people. 281 00:17:38.000 --> 00:17:41.119 Nice does the Torah have any room? I guess I'd 282 00:17:41.160 --> 00:17:46.079 say for intelligent beings existing elsewhere in the universe. 283 00:17:46.119 --> 00:17:49.839 Sure, there are certainly discussions what are angels. Generally, the 284 00:17:49.920 --> 00:17:54.680 term angel means messenger, and specifically there are some cases 285 00:17:54.759 --> 00:17:59.680 within Judaism that some people interpret to be UFO like events, 286 00:18:00.039 --> 00:18:06.799 though this is varied and there isn't necessarily an obvious 287 00:18:06.880 --> 00:18:09.720 UFO event. But usually this event is in the Book 288 00:18:09.799 --> 00:18:14.839 of Ezekiel, where there is a disc that is discovered 289 00:18:15.160 --> 00:18:19.359 within a vision of Ezekiel with different faces and different eyes, 290 00:18:19.359 --> 00:18:23.119 and many people refer to this vision as a flying disc. 291 00:18:23.599 --> 00:18:28.559 And that might be something that was an ancient interpretation 292 00:18:28.680 --> 00:18:30.880 of what was being seen, or it could have been 293 00:18:31.000 --> 00:18:35.160 a non related vision, but generally within the Bible, those 294 00:18:35.319 --> 00:18:38.960 are the references that are made. Specifically, the Bible is 295 00:18:39.039 --> 00:18:45.519 quite silent on any type of extraterrestrial being outside of 296 00:18:45.599 --> 00:18:50.359 the world. Generally, we believe that most Hushem created the 297 00:18:50.400 --> 00:18:53.400 heavens and the earth, but we don't get really specific 298 00:18:53.519 --> 00:18:58.240 into other worlds, not within a cabalistic standpoint. There are 299 00:18:58.279 --> 00:19:01.640 some discussions in Tel Mudik stamp point of perhaps there 300 00:19:01.640 --> 00:19:06.279 are other dimensions, Perhaps there are other worlds and the 301 00:19:06.680 --> 00:19:11.480 ancient people could not necessarily describe them, but Unfortunately, there 302 00:19:11.559 --> 00:19:15.480 is not an excellent resource where we can say yes 303 00:19:15.480 --> 00:19:18.680 and then this part of the Bible they're referencing some 304 00:19:18.880 --> 00:19:24.480 type of non human species. Generally, the Bible is written 305 00:19:24.720 --> 00:19:26.039 in terms of humanity. 306 00:19:27.160 --> 00:19:30.319 Okay, here's a question from people in chat right here, 307 00:19:31.039 --> 00:19:34.799 what is your opinion on JD jd Vance maybe doubling 308 00:19:34.839 --> 00:19:37.440 down on demons. I don't watch the news, so I 309 00:19:37.440 --> 00:19:40.440 don't know anything about this. Do you know anything about this? 310 00:19:41.640 --> 00:19:44.839 As I understand that's more of a Christian perspective, which 311 00:19:44.920 --> 00:19:49.160 people are open to that interpretation. I don't necessarily agree 312 00:19:49.200 --> 00:19:52.839 with it. And generally within Judaism we do have demonic 313 00:19:53.079 --> 00:19:56.200 beings that are referenced within Kabbalah, but they aren't normally 314 00:19:56.240 --> 00:20:03.000 referenced in terms of UFOs or aliens. They are more mysticism. 315 00:20:03.480 --> 00:20:06.680 The idea in Judaism in general is quite scientific and 316 00:20:06.759 --> 00:20:09.720 has been for thousands of years, and the idea of 317 00:20:10.039 --> 00:20:14.279 perhaps alien beings would be another type of species, just 318 00:20:14.599 --> 00:20:17.279 with a with a genus species, just like we have 319 00:20:17.400 --> 00:20:20.720 of any type of biology on Earth. But that doesn't 320 00:20:20.720 --> 00:20:24.640 necessarily mean that there aren't interpretations within Judaism that aliens 321 00:20:24.680 --> 00:20:27.200 could be demons. But generally that's not mainstream. 322 00:20:28.279 --> 00:20:34.839 I see, I'm trying to understand this person. I don't 323 00:20:34.880 --> 00:20:37.319 Wesley Curry, I'm not sure what you're trying to get 324 00:20:37.359 --> 00:20:40.480 across here. I don't stop freedom of speech. I just 325 00:20:40.519 --> 00:20:44.960 don't put everyone's chat up there. But anyway, moving on, 326 00:20:45.559 --> 00:20:51.519 if we would discover that a civilization is far older 327 00:20:51.759 --> 00:20:55.319 or more advanced than ours, how do you think religious 328 00:20:55.319 --> 00:20:58.000 texts would be interpreted differently? 329 00:20:59.039 --> 00:21:02.880 Perhaps they would be an interpreted for individuals as being 330 00:21:03.680 --> 00:21:07.160 religious writings of their time, So there may be have 331 00:21:07.240 --> 00:21:12.119 been different epics of human existence. Perhaps there was some 332 00:21:12.759 --> 00:21:16.720 knowledge that wasn't necessarily written down, perhaps prior to the 333 00:21:16.839 --> 00:21:21.880 written history that we have within religions. Generally within Judaism, 334 00:21:21.960 --> 00:21:26.960 we consider Torah to be the holy book that generally 335 00:21:27.079 --> 00:21:31.119 for mainstream, mainstream Judaism, but that doesn't necessarily mean that 336 00:21:31.119 --> 00:21:36.319 there aren't cabalistic aspects of our later writings that could 337 00:21:36.440 --> 00:21:39.839 perhaps be or at least coincide with what's going on 338 00:21:40.279 --> 00:21:43.599 prior to what we would consider to be traditional creation. 339 00:21:44.279 --> 00:21:48.799 Really it's up to an individual's interpretation. And then when 340 00:21:48.839 --> 00:21:51.640 we get into books that at least can be carbon dated, 341 00:21:51.680 --> 00:21:57.759 that are older than some of the Torah, specifically everything 342 00:21:57.759 --> 00:22:01.400 within the Hebrew Bible to not questions are raised from 343 00:22:01.440 --> 00:22:04.960 a scientific perspective more so than a religious perspective. 344 00:22:06.119 --> 00:22:09.400 Okay, this is really interesting because I've always wondered about 345 00:22:09.599 --> 00:22:13.880 this type of thing, like the ancient texts and all that, 346 00:22:14.119 --> 00:22:20.079 and the spiritual intelligence of if there could be a 347 00:22:20.119 --> 00:22:24.960 spiritual intelligence of a physical extraterrestrial being, would they have 348 00:22:25.039 --> 00:22:29.640 the same I think about this often. What is it 349 00:22:29.759 --> 00:22:33.480 like on other worlds? I'm pretty sure that there has 350 00:22:33.519 --> 00:22:36.799 to be intelligent life out there with all this going on. 351 00:22:36.880 --> 00:22:41.079 It's just a no brainer, really, And what are things like? 352 00:22:41.240 --> 00:22:43.920 What are they? What are their worships like? What are there? 353 00:22:44.839 --> 00:22:47.119 What are things like? I've always wondered what is their 354 00:22:47.240 --> 00:22:50.160 music like that? That type of things. It fascinates me. 355 00:22:50.680 --> 00:22:54.319 And one of them is are they do their brains 356 00:22:54.359 --> 00:22:57.240 develop and the way that ours did, where they have 357 00:22:57.319 --> 00:23:02.359 to they worship somehow, worshiped some bigger than themselves. I 358 00:23:02.359 --> 00:23:03.920 don't know if you've thought about things. 359 00:23:03.720 --> 00:23:08.119 Like that most certainly, when you get into eupology, you 360 00:23:08.160 --> 00:23:12.279 get into new types of hypotheses like pan spermia, the 361 00:23:12.359 --> 00:23:16.759 idea that perhaps life existed on some type of asteroid 362 00:23:17.039 --> 00:23:20.240 that made an impact on Earth and started creation or 363 00:23:20.279 --> 00:23:24.759 guided pan spermia, that Earth itself has had its evolution 364 00:23:24.920 --> 00:23:28.119 of all the species influenced in one way or another 365 00:23:28.400 --> 00:23:33.079 by an extraterrestrial being. These types of questions lend open 366 00:23:33.119 --> 00:23:36.039 the door for many other questions. And then, okay, if 367 00:23:36.119 --> 00:23:38.839 we were seated here, if Earth is like a zoo 368 00:23:39.279 --> 00:23:42.759 or some type of experiment, what do the people or 369 00:23:42.920 --> 00:23:45.759 I should say, the beings on other planets? What do 370 00:23:45.839 --> 00:23:50.079 they believe? Have their religious doctrines changed over the course 371 00:23:50.119 --> 00:23:53.640 of their evolution? And then, of course the great question 372 00:23:53.759 --> 00:23:57.240 is if we didn't start here naturally and we were 373 00:23:57.279 --> 00:23:59.720 seated here, then who seated the cedars? 374 00:24:00.160 --> 00:24:03.559 Yeah? How far back does it go? You're right? 375 00:24:04.200 --> 00:24:04.319 Right? 376 00:24:04.400 --> 00:24:06.519 Yeah? Yeah? And I always think of what was the 377 00:24:06.640 --> 00:24:09.559 very first bark of life and all that, How did 378 00:24:09.559 --> 00:24:10.079 that happen? 379 00:24:10.240 --> 00:24:12.920 And how did that happen? Exactly right? How do you 380 00:24:12.960 --> 00:24:17.240 go from nothing to something? And I've done my best 381 00:24:17.240 --> 00:24:20.359 to you know, it's all not just religious thinkers with 382 00:24:20.480 --> 00:24:25.920 scientists or any rational individual tries to do. And it's paradoxical. 383 00:24:26.240 --> 00:24:29.480 How can you bring something from nothing? And if you 384 00:24:29.559 --> 00:24:32.400 are able to bring something for nothing, what happened prior 385 00:24:32.440 --> 00:24:32.759 to that. 386 00:24:33.200 --> 00:24:36.880 And what was the first moment of time? All that stuff. 387 00:24:36.920 --> 00:24:38.799 You can, Yeah, you can be in your head and 388 00:24:38.839 --> 00:24:42.440 thinking about all this very interesting things. Getting back to 389 00:24:42.519 --> 00:24:46.400 the ancient Jewish writings, could any of them be interpreted 390 00:24:46.440 --> 00:24:49.519 in any type of way with contact, like I know, 391 00:24:49.799 --> 00:24:52.079 like there are things I know you just said one 392 00:24:52.119 --> 00:24:55.400 of the Ezekiel I believe. So is there any other 393 00:24:55.759 --> 00:25:00.559 type of non human contact that could be interpreted that way? 394 00:25:01.400 --> 00:25:06.839 Sure? There are certainly ideas of spirituality, perhaps even more 395 00:25:06.880 --> 00:25:11.400 recent within the Middle Ages, there's demonic discussion, and prior 396 00:25:11.440 --> 00:25:15.480 to that, there's angelic discussion. What is an angel? Traditionally 397 00:25:15.519 --> 00:25:18.680 this is seen as a messenger. There are also discussions 398 00:25:18.759 --> 00:25:24.079 at least twice within Torah of the Nephelium basically something 399 00:25:24.119 --> 00:25:28.880 that's interpreted perhaps as fallen ones or giants that mated 400 00:25:29.079 --> 00:25:33.720 with the women of Earth to perhaps create a species here. 401 00:25:33.880 --> 00:25:36.359