1 00:00:05,160 --> 00:00:08,279 Speaker 1: What is up, Fellasiko's I am Dan Valley coming at 2 00:00:08,359 --> 00:00:11,599 you with the one the only, mister Mort Jensen of 3 00:00:11,640 --> 00:00:17,239 the NBA podcast, fame of Yahoo's boards, fame of HBO maps, 4 00:00:17,239 --> 00:00:22,000 fame and of course OnlyFans celebrity. Our trade deadline primer 5 00:00:22,079 --> 00:00:25,079 train continues to roll on. We are on to the 6 00:00:25,199 --> 00:00:27,679 Orlando Magic, who I think are probably gonna have one 7 00:00:27,679 --> 00:00:29,719 of the least interesting trade deadlines of any team. And 8 00:00:29,719 --> 00:00:34,159 if they don't, that something is something wild has probably 9 00:00:34,159 --> 00:00:37,039 happened before we get started. Mort, how the heck are 10 00:00:37,079 --> 00:00:37,399 you doing? 11 00:00:38,039 --> 00:00:42,240 Speaker 2: I'm doing well. I am already in trade deadline mindset 12 00:00:42,240 --> 00:00:44,719 for the Orlando Magic. I have this spicy one. They 13 00:00:44,759 --> 00:00:47,439 should trade Deamind Banes of the Memphis Grizzlies for for 14 00:00:47,600 --> 00:00:48,799 first rounders. 15 00:00:48,960 --> 00:00:53,159 Speaker 1: They don't want, John Moran. Let's take a look at 16 00:00:53,159 --> 00:00:56,799 the Orlando Magic trade deadline vitals. So this is noteworthy 17 00:00:56,840 --> 00:00:58,640 because I think this is going to define a lot 18 00:00:58,679 --> 00:01:01,600 of the conversation on them. They are five point six 19 00:01:01,640 --> 00:01:04,959 million dollars into the luxury tax. They are thirteen million 20 00:01:05,000 --> 00:01:07,599 dollars into the tax for next year. That's with Jonathan 21 00:01:07,599 --> 00:01:10,480 Isaac on the books and eleven players on the roster. 22 00:01:10,760 --> 00:01:12,680 They can trade up to one first round pick in 23 00:01:12,719 --> 00:01:15,640 twenty thirty two, and they have outright swaps in twenty 24 00:01:15,680 --> 00:01:18,439 seven and thirty one. They could technically swap in twenty 25 00:01:18,599 --> 00:01:22,519 twenty nine, but Memphis has first DIBs on their pick now, 26 00:01:22,560 --> 00:01:24,760 just as a note, because people have talked about it, 27 00:01:24,799 --> 00:01:27,959 and I had to confirm what Palo would count as 28 00:01:28,120 --> 00:01:31,319 he's poison pilled if you wanted to trade him, because 29 00:01:31,319 --> 00:01:35,159 he signed the contract with escalator language and so just 30 00:01:35,200 --> 00:01:37,799 the way that unlikely incentives can sometimes work, I assume 31 00:01:37,840 --> 00:01:39,719 that he would just account for the two hundred and 32 00:01:39,719 --> 00:01:42,959 eighty seven million dollar number. Friend of the podcast, Brian 33 00:01:43,040 --> 00:01:44,640 Tapoorak corrected me and said it would be the two 34 00:01:44,680 --> 00:01:47,879 hundred and thirty nine million dollar number. Doesn't matter because 35 00:01:48,120 --> 00:01:50,280 to the Orlando Magic he is worth fifteen point four 36 00:01:50,359 --> 00:01:53,480 million in outgoing salary. To his new team, he is 37 00:01:53,599 --> 00:01:56,879 over forty million dollars in incoming money. That just makes 38 00:01:56,879 --> 00:01:58,840 a trade unnavigable. And I was only throwing that out 39 00:01:58,879 --> 00:02:00,719 there because there was a lot of the would you 40 00:02:00,760 --> 00:02:04,079 trade Paalo for Yannis? Once Zachlow mentioned it. Maybe a 41 00:02:04,079 --> 00:02:07,560 discussion for the summer, but I still remain a Pallo guy, 42 00:02:07,640 --> 00:02:10,719 even if there have been some concerns so the Orlando 43 00:02:10,759 --> 00:02:14,560 magic that makes one of us, well, let's not get there. 44 00:02:14,639 --> 00:02:17,919 I think we need to begin with will they duck 45 00:02:17,960 --> 00:02:19,000 the tax more? 46 00:02:20,879 --> 00:02:24,919 Speaker 2: When you're five point five seven six million under the 47 00:02:25,000 --> 00:02:29,840 tax line and you have movable contracts like well, okay, 48 00:02:29,879 --> 00:02:32,400 we can talk about what is defined as movable, but 49 00:02:32,479 --> 00:02:34,520 when you have at least expiring contracts in terms of 50 00:02:34,599 --> 00:02:38,280 times Jones, Jed Howard M. Wagner, and you have a 51 00:02:38,400 --> 00:02:42,120 Jonathan isa contract that's I presume movable because of the 52 00:02:42,159 --> 00:02:46,159 non guarantees attached to his deal. I would be a 53 00:02:46,199 --> 00:02:49,439 little surprised if they didn't explore it. Whether they find 54 00:02:49,439 --> 00:02:52,319 a deal and someone to take it, that's the different 55 00:02:52,319 --> 00:02:55,879 side of the coin. But I'm very much expecting them 56 00:02:55,919 --> 00:02:58,479 to explore it. I imagine that is going to be 57 00:02:58,520 --> 00:03:02,560 priority Numero uno going into the straight ded line for them. Yeah. 58 00:03:02,560 --> 00:03:06,599 Speaker 1: And it makes sense too, because there's no point in starting. 59 00:03:07,520 --> 00:03:09,280 Even if you think that they can still come out 60 00:03:09,280 --> 00:03:12,159 of the East, which they I mean they really could. 61 00:03:12,159 --> 00:03:14,039 The East is just wide open, with all due respect 62 00:03:14,039 --> 00:03:17,719 to Detroit and not as much to New York. You 63 00:03:17,759 --> 00:03:21,240 shouldn't start the repeater clock now as your team is 64 00:03:21,240 --> 00:03:23,840 gonna get more expensive. So having the means to get 65 00:03:23,840 --> 00:03:25,560 out of the tax is a big deal for them 66 00:03:25,840 --> 00:03:29,039 because you have Franz's extension already kicked in, Desmond Baine 67 00:03:29,439 --> 00:03:31,639 is on a bigger money deal, and Palo's extension is 68 00:03:31,639 --> 00:03:34,280 gonna kick in next season. And oh, by the way, 69 00:03:34,680 --> 00:03:37,319 Anthony Black is playing with a type of swagger this 70 00:03:37,439 --> 00:03:40,039 year that makes you think he's also someone that's gonna 71 00:03:40,039 --> 00:03:43,800 get too syllable put aid. You just your roster is 72 00:03:43,800 --> 00:03:46,080 about to cost you through the teeth after this season 73 00:03:46,159 --> 00:03:48,439 and moving forward, so you need to dust the tax. 74 00:03:48,719 --> 00:03:50,639 What is kind of inconvenient for them is that you 75 00:03:50,680 --> 00:03:53,400 can't just trade Jet Howard and do it. You come 76 00:03:53,479 --> 00:03:56,479 up like it's pretty close, but you come up, you 77 00:03:56,520 --> 00:03:59,560 come up fairly short. So it needs to be more like, 78 00:04:01,120 --> 00:04:03,360 is it him in another move or are you just 79 00:04:03,439 --> 00:04:07,159 dumping outright? Tyas Jones or Gogo Matadze. Those are the 80 00:04:07,199 --> 00:04:09,039 three names that I kind of have circled here. 81 00:04:09,639 --> 00:04:13,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, so they don't really have their long term center 82 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:16,519 in place, I don't think. I think when they traded 83 00:04:16,560 --> 00:04:20,439 for Desmond Baine they at least secured like four starters 84 00:04:20,480 --> 00:04:24,879 long term, and I wonder if they're willing to pivot off, 85 00:04:25,439 --> 00:04:28,439 you know, potentially. Oh, by the way, Wendell Carter's junior's 86 00:04:28,480 --> 00:04:30,600 extension is kicking in next year as well, So like, 87 00:04:30,800 --> 00:04:36,240 is he actually poisoned pilled because his contract increases by 88 00:04:36,439 --> 00:04:37,560 almost one hundred percent? 89 00:04:37,639 --> 00:04:40,600 Speaker 1: Right, No, he shouldn't be poison pilled because he that's 90 00:04:40,639 --> 00:04:41,839 a veteran extension for him. 91 00:04:41,839 --> 00:04:44,319 Speaker 2: That was Oh, that's right, because it's a veteran extension. Okay, 92 00:04:44,319 --> 00:04:47,720 fair enough. But like I'm assuming that they're open minded 93 00:04:47,959 --> 00:04:50,399 to moving him in the right deal. Same with Go 94 00:04:50,399 --> 00:04:54,199 Go because like again, if you don't have your long 95 00:04:54,279 --> 00:04:58,480 term center in place, why would you necessarily look at 96 00:04:59,279 --> 00:05:02,600 guys who are long you know, sort of rentals as 97 00:05:03,759 --> 00:05:06,759 you know, not on the trade block form. So but 98 00:05:06,879 --> 00:05:10,480 Tats is one guy I'm looking at. I'm basically assuming 99 00:05:10,519 --> 00:05:13,519 that Anthony Black. I don't want to say he's untouchable, 100 00:05:14,439 --> 00:05:17,600 but in terms of like relinquishing him for docking the 101 00:05:17,680 --> 00:05:21,120 tax now, I've very watched out that it's not in play. 102 00:05:21,439 --> 00:05:24,399 Tyas Jones, I imagine is the guy they want to pivot 103 00:05:24,439 --> 00:05:29,639 off of. But who is going to be absorbing five 104 00:05:29,720 --> 00:05:31,879 point five plus million. 105 00:05:32,480 --> 00:05:35,040 Speaker 1: Honestly, if I had to guess, I would think that, 106 00:05:35,240 --> 00:05:37,480 and they'd be willing to take back money. I think 107 00:05:37,480 --> 00:05:40,000 they should be looking to just move Jonathan Isaac and 108 00:05:40,199 --> 00:05:43,199 you get cheaper players back. The problem is is just 109 00:05:43,720 --> 00:05:46,319 what are you compensating to do that? But I think 110 00:05:47,040 --> 00:05:49,199 more of the story here is they are going to 111 00:05:49,399 --> 00:05:53,120 I will be flabbergasted moret if they do not duck 112 00:05:53,160 --> 00:05:55,759 the tax, and I think the conversation to have though 113 00:05:55,959 --> 00:05:57,639 is as part of that. They might also be looking 114 00:05:57,680 --> 00:06:00,360 to address roster needs. This is not a raw that 115 00:06:00,360 --> 00:06:03,199 feels finished when you look at the magic to me, 116 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:07,000 and this is fairly problematic because you did just trade 117 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:09,480 so much for Desmond Bane. But the needs are the 118 00:06:09,519 --> 00:06:12,759 same as ever. They could use more shooting and more 119 00:06:12,800 --> 00:06:16,040 ball handling, and now the latter at least you can 120 00:06:16,120 --> 00:06:18,040 chalk up to they've just been so injured. When you 121 00:06:18,040 --> 00:06:20,279 look at the time that Jalen subs and Palabank, Carrol 122 00:06:20,319 --> 00:06:23,439 Friends Wagner's Mitch. The shooting is just I guess this 123 00:06:23,519 --> 00:06:24,680 team is always gonna need it. 124 00:06:24,839 --> 00:06:25,040 Speaker 2: There. 125 00:06:25,160 --> 00:06:27,560 Speaker 1: They're still hovering closer to the bottom ten of offensive 126 00:06:27,600 --> 00:06:31,120 efficiency as we record this, so I think the play 127 00:06:31,240 --> 00:06:33,480 for them, and we'll get into targets and stuff. Is 128 00:06:33,560 --> 00:06:34,600 to what can you do? 129 00:06:35,480 --> 00:06:35,639 Speaker 2: Yeah? 130 00:06:35,680 --> 00:06:39,199 Speaker 1: Yeah, if you can just move Tighas Jones, fine and 131 00:06:39,439 --> 00:06:41,000 how that's what you want to do. You on the attacks, 132 00:06:41,040 --> 00:06:43,920 But can you do something, whether it's at the scale 133 00:06:43,959 --> 00:06:46,879 of Goga, maybe the scale of Goga and Jonathan Isaac, 134 00:06:47,199 --> 00:06:50,319 but moving those guys while also taking back someone who 135 00:06:50,959 --> 00:06:53,319 fills some of you. We're not asking them to be 136 00:06:53,319 --> 00:06:55,959 in your closing lineup, but to just balance out the 137 00:06:56,040 --> 00:06:58,000 offensive side of the roster a little bit more. 138 00:07:00,439 --> 00:07:02,120 Speaker 2: So, do you have a name in mind? 139 00:07:03,040 --> 00:07:06,120 Speaker 1: I thought about could you do? I think you need 140 00:07:06,240 --> 00:07:09,839 to compensate Charlotte for this, all right, but Jonathan Isaac 141 00:07:10,439 --> 00:07:13,920 and Jet Howard for Colin Sexton and then you're still 142 00:07:13,959 --> 00:07:16,079 gonna need to that doesn't get you out of the tax. 143 00:07:16,240 --> 00:07:19,480 Yeah about that's I mean, maybe they would be interested 144 00:07:19,560 --> 00:07:22,279 in Goga if you wanted to go Goga and Isaac, 145 00:07:22,360 --> 00:07:25,160 but then you are thinning out your front line quite 146 00:07:25,199 --> 00:07:28,519 a bit. But the idea would be, Okay, you're saving 147 00:07:28,720 --> 00:07:31,480 like three million bucks or whatever, and then you can 148 00:07:31,560 --> 00:07:34,040 go figure out how you're gonna save the rest after that. 149 00:07:34,680 --> 00:07:37,519 Speaker 2: Well that's oh was Jet Howard involved in this deal. 150 00:07:38,199 --> 00:07:40,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, Jet Howard and Jonathan Isaac. I mean you could 151 00:07:40,560 --> 00:07:42,639 do Tias Jones and John Maybe that makes more sense 152 00:07:42,680 --> 00:07:46,839 because they're sending out Colin Sexton and that. I think 153 00:07:47,079 --> 00:07:49,079 that's the one where you would save like three million bucks. 154 00:07:49,079 --> 00:07:51,040 It's a net. It's like a wash if you include 155 00:07:51,480 --> 00:07:53,399 Jet Howard with Jonathan Isaac, so. 156 00:07:53,519 --> 00:07:55,879 Speaker 2: You you could actually foresee them trying to duck the 157 00:07:56,040 --> 00:07:59,759 tax by pulling multiple traits into one big swoop. 158 00:08:00,680 --> 00:08:02,360 Speaker 1: If you could do it. I mean, Charlotte has the 159 00:08:02,399 --> 00:08:04,279 flexibility to where you could say, hey, here are these 160 00:08:04,319 --> 00:08:07,319 three guys, give us another player, we'll take back and 161 00:08:07,399 --> 00:08:09,199 do a three for two. You could do something like that. 162 00:08:10,759 --> 00:08:12,759 But I'm saying, do you look at this team and 163 00:08:12,800 --> 00:08:14,920 say the only thing they should be looking to do 164 00:08:15,040 --> 00:08:17,800 with the trade deadline is duct the tax. That's what 165 00:08:17,839 --> 00:08:19,720 I'm getting at is it feels like there's a I 166 00:08:19,720 --> 00:08:21,480 don't know how much consext it would play, but you 167 00:08:21,560 --> 00:08:25,160 could certainly insulate him defensively if Jallen Sugs and Anthony 168 00:08:25,240 --> 00:08:27,720 Black are healthy. If one of them's healthy, quite frankly, 169 00:08:28,319 --> 00:08:30,040 you don't need him to just as someone who will 170 00:08:30,199 --> 00:08:33,039 drive spray provide you some floor spacing. 171 00:08:34,799 --> 00:08:37,480 Speaker 2: I mean, look, I would love to solve two issues 172 00:08:37,519 --> 00:08:40,759 in one swoop. I think from my money, I'm looking 173 00:08:40,799 --> 00:08:43,320 at a team that when they're trying to any team 174 00:08:43,360 --> 00:08:46,120 really that's trying to duct the tax I think that's 175 00:08:46,200 --> 00:08:49,120 the mindset they're operating with. I don't think they're necessarily 176 00:08:49,200 --> 00:08:51,759 going in and thinking about how they can upgrade a roster, 177 00:08:52,360 --> 00:08:54,559 like if you can do both at the same time, great, 178 00:08:54,679 --> 00:08:57,639 but that is going to be on the worldly costly 179 00:08:59,039 --> 00:09:02,159 on so many parameters. It's like, what was their pick 180 00:09:02,279 --> 00:09:04,799 situation again? They had one pick to give right. 181 00:09:05,080 --> 00:09:07,720 Speaker 1: Then one first round pick to give. Yeah, that I 182 00:09:07,799 --> 00:09:10,639 think we're in for the deal I just named. Weren't 183 00:09:10,720 --> 00:09:13,360 second round territory and they have they have a bunch 184 00:09:13,440 --> 00:09:14,360 of seconds coming in. 185 00:09:14,840 --> 00:09:16,960 Speaker 2: Over the but that doesn't even get them fully under 186 00:09:17,000 --> 00:09:20,799 the text, Like they have to do a follow up trade, right. 187 00:09:21,679 --> 00:09:23,559 Speaker 1: Right, I mean, I think you could get if you're 188 00:09:23,799 --> 00:09:27,320 if you're just attaching second rounders to Jet Howard, I'm 189 00:09:27,360 --> 00:09:29,120 assuming you will get a team to take him. So 190 00:09:29,120 --> 00:09:33,039 if it's Tias Jones and Isaac and seconds two seconds 191 00:09:33,120 --> 00:09:35,200 to get Colin Sexton, and then you need another second 192 00:09:35,320 --> 00:09:37,240 to get off Jet Howard. That's not okay. 193 00:09:37,600 --> 00:09:42,120 Speaker 2: No, that that's good. I like that. So it's called 194 00:09:42,159 --> 00:09:44,639 it sex and who's like the primary guy? Right? 195 00:09:44,919 --> 00:09:46,320 Speaker 1: The other thing? I don't know if this gets them 196 00:09:46,360 --> 00:09:48,559 fully It probably comes pretty close. But you could go 197 00:09:48,679 --> 00:09:52,960 to Utah and Bryce Sensiba or Saphie m Kaye Luke 198 00:09:53,360 --> 00:09:56,480 would both be excellent fits on this roster. So what 199 00:09:56,720 --> 00:10:00,559 can you what can you do to who do you 200 00:10:00,639 --> 00:10:02,840 send out there? I mean you could send out Tyas 201 00:10:02,919 --> 00:10:04,639 Jones or Jet Howard. That's just not going to get 202 00:10:04,639 --> 00:10:06,279 you fully out of the tax if you're taking back 203 00:10:06,320 --> 00:10:07,440 one or both of those guys. 204 00:10:08,639 --> 00:10:12,120 Speaker 2: All right, If we want to be really spicy, what 205 00:10:12,279 --> 00:10:16,159 would it take to get Walker Kessler out of Utah. 206 00:10:16,639 --> 00:10:18,600 Speaker 1: More than the one first round pick they could offer? 207 00:10:19,120 --> 00:10:21,240 Speaker 2: Are we sure about that? Given the injury, the fact 208 00:10:21,240 --> 00:10:22,600 that he's going to be a restrict free agent. 209 00:10:22,919 --> 00:10:26,600 Speaker 1: Yes, if they come calling with salary plus their twenty 210 00:10:26,679 --> 00:10:29,200 thirty two first round pick, I think Utah hangs up 211 00:10:29,200 --> 00:10:29,519 the phone. 212 00:10:30,039 --> 00:10:33,639 Speaker 2: I mean, fair is that's at least something I would 213 00:10:33,720 --> 00:10:36,639 inquire about. Would you offer? 214 00:10:37,480 --> 00:10:39,559 Speaker 1: I mean, you could offer Wendell Carter Junior as part 215 00:10:39,600 --> 00:10:41,120 of the compensation, But I don't know how much they 216 00:10:41,120 --> 00:10:44,559 would value. Maybe they say, oh, he's eighteen million starting 217 00:10:44,600 --> 00:10:47,720 next season, whereas Kessler is going to be thirty. Maybe 218 00:10:47,759 --> 00:10:50,039 they see value in that. Would you give up Anthony 219 00:10:50,120 --> 00:10:51,399 Black for Walker Kessler? 220 00:10:54,320 --> 00:10:56,679 Speaker 2: See, I was hoping not to get that specific question 221 00:10:56,759 --> 00:10:58,720 because I was thinking about it or I don't know 222 00:10:58,759 --> 00:11:02,320 where I land. I love Anthony Black, but I do 223 00:11:02,480 --> 00:11:07,000 think a fully healthy Walker Kessler changes your entire defense. Sorry, 224 00:11:07,559 --> 00:11:11,279 and I think you know Orlando obviously already have They 225 00:11:11,320 --> 00:11:14,600 already have a great defense. But to get a guy 226 00:11:14,759 --> 00:11:17,519 like that who just locks down that center position again 227 00:11:17,559 --> 00:11:21,799 when healthy, when healthy, and adds that necessary size, so 228 00:11:21,960 --> 00:11:24,240 many of the issues I have with Poulo Ben Carrow 229 00:11:24,360 --> 00:11:27,519 just goes away by the fact that Walker Kessler clears 230 00:11:27,559 --> 00:11:30,360 them for him. You know, the rebounding issues are. I 231 00:11:30,480 --> 00:11:36,120 don't care Walker Kessler is there. That would be interesting. 232 00:11:36,240 --> 00:11:39,399 I wouldn't hate it. I really wouldn't hate it. But 233 00:11:39,840 --> 00:11:42,080 at the same time, but that makes sense for Utah 234 00:11:42,159 --> 00:11:45,360 because Yance George is there, Like, is there a pathway 235 00:11:45,399 --> 00:11:48,480 for Anthony Black to become the player that he's about 236 00:11:48,600 --> 00:11:57,559 to become in Utah? I mean probably not exactly. So, Yeah, 237 00:11:57,879 --> 00:11:58,639 if trade. 238 00:11:58,440 --> 00:12:01,720 Speaker 1: Jalen Suggs there, try and really open up the construction 239 00:12:01,799 --> 00:12:04,120 if you want, Walker Kesler. I don't like any of 240 00:12:04,159 --> 00:12:06,039 this for Orlando, by the way, I'm just going off 241 00:12:06,080 --> 00:12:06,759 of what you're saying. 242 00:12:07,080 --> 00:12:10,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, I the more that I'm looking at it, I agree. 243 00:12:11,600 --> 00:12:13,600 I would like a center, Like if we're trying to 244 00:12:13,720 --> 00:12:17,080 solve issues at the same time while trying to be better, 245 00:12:17,480 --> 00:12:18,600 A center would. 246 00:12:18,440 --> 00:12:21,480 Speaker 1: Be nice more than shooting and ball handling. 247 00:12:22,120 --> 00:12:22,879 Speaker 2: No, I mean. 248 00:12:25,960 --> 00:12:28,840 Speaker 1: You're gonna have I mean they have that Skoga, Wendell 249 00:12:29,000 --> 00:12:31,720 and Movagner is gonna come back, so you're gonna your 250 00:12:31,799 --> 00:12:34,000 need to make this one makes sense for me, mister Jansen. 251 00:12:34,399 --> 00:12:37,240 Speaker 2: That's fair. It's because I generally don't think highly of 252 00:12:37,679 --> 00:12:41,039 either of those three players. I want someone to complete 253 00:12:41,080 --> 00:12:44,840 that lineup. But you're not wrong. The shooting concerns are 254 00:12:44,960 --> 00:12:47,360 indeed real. They haven't got But I do think, okay, 255 00:12:47,720 --> 00:12:49,919 I do think there's something here in terms of like 256 00:12:50,120 --> 00:12:53,639 internal adjustments, which is I don't want to make this 257 00:12:53,759 --> 00:12:56,759 a coaching issue. I am not personally high on Jamal Mosley. 258 00:12:56,919 --> 00:12:59,320 I think whenever he has a chance to double down 259 00:12:59,320 --> 00:13:03,519 on defense does it, And that is bothering me, because 260 00:13:03,960 --> 00:13:06,159 how can we justify forty games in the season. He 261 00:13:06,200 --> 00:13:08,759 hasn't missed a single game that Desmond Bain has taking 262 00:13:08,799 --> 00:13:11,879 five to threes per game, like he should be taking more, 263 00:13:12,039 --> 00:13:14,639 Franz Vakner should be taking more, Anthony Black should be 264 00:13:14,679 --> 00:13:17,720 taking more. I mean it's Jalen Sucks and Tristan to 265 00:13:17,759 --> 00:13:19,320 Silver are the only ones who I think are like 266 00:13:19,440 --> 00:13:21,879 kind of online in terms of like their volume based 267 00:13:21,879 --> 00:13:24,120 on minutes played. There are so many guys. 268 00:13:23,919 --> 00:13:27,200 Speaker 1: Wich isn't Anthony Black's at like over five attempts a 269 00:13:27,279 --> 00:13:29,360 game is and the or that since December fifteenth. 270 00:13:29,559 --> 00:13:31,639 Speaker 2: I think that's three points because he's four point four 271 00:13:32,120 --> 00:13:34,080 and I think he's gotten good enough to take them. 272 00:13:34,120 --> 00:13:37,320 Speaker 1: And also, yeah, he's taking six over the past month, 273 00:13:38,000 --> 00:13:39,240 knocking him down at a forty one p s. 274 00:13:39,240 --> 00:13:40,960 Speaker 2: All right, well then he's on then he's on the 275 00:13:41,039 --> 00:13:42,639 right path because he should be taking more. 276 00:13:42,759 --> 00:13:44,840 Speaker 1: But you're right off, Desmond Vaine. He's at under five 277 00:13:45,320 --> 00:13:47,000 over the past months, right. 278 00:13:46,919 --> 00:13:49,480 Speaker 2: That's that's just not good enough. So there's some part 279 00:13:49,559 --> 00:13:52,080 of me the things that the shooting things are also 280 00:13:53,200 --> 00:13:55,799 somewhat self inflicted to a certain extent. I'm not saying 281 00:13:55,840 --> 00:13:58,879 like you can solve edything by by just going up 282 00:13:59,120 --> 00:14:02,159 like the NC your own players, like, no, you do 283 00:14:02,240 --> 00:14:08,519 you need something? In terms of the ball handling, God, 284 00:14:08,600 --> 00:14:13,679 if Tias Jones didn't completely bust in that role, that's 285 00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:15,600 I mean, that was the big issue for me because 286 00:14:15,720 --> 00:14:17,399 when I came, when we came into the season there, 287 00:14:17,399 --> 00:14:19,600 I was like, Oh, they're good, They're good on the guards. 288 00:14:19,799 --> 00:14:21,960 They have enough. They have If you want a spot 289 00:14:22,039 --> 00:14:24,080 up shooter at the guard spot, Jase Richardson will do 290 00:14:24,159 --> 00:14:27,159 your bidding, like Tias Jones will handle point guard minutes, 291 00:14:27,240 --> 00:14:30,639 like Jalen Sucks will pass and initiate places like Anthony 292 00:14:30,679 --> 00:14:34,080 Black is there. That should be enough. Well, you're right, 293 00:14:34,240 --> 00:14:37,600 like the offensive production just hasn't been to the to 294 00:14:37,720 --> 00:14:40,720 the point where you need it to be. So so 295 00:14:41,159 --> 00:14:43,480 where where do we make the change? Though? Do we 296 00:14:43,559 --> 00:14:45,919 need to pivot off of certain guards? I don't. 297 00:14:45,919 --> 00:14:47,720 Speaker 1: I don't think it's that. You know, the ball handling 298 00:14:47,840 --> 00:14:50,279 might be exacerbated by I've seen Desmond Baine probably on 299 00:14:50,399 --> 00:14:53,320 the ball more than I want him to be in Orlando. 300 00:14:53,440 --> 00:14:56,399 But a lot of that is just the availability. Because 301 00:14:56,440 --> 00:14:59,039 if you have your if you just have your full 302 00:14:59,120 --> 00:15:02,960 collection of players available, maybe I will say, maybe we're 303 00:15:03,000 --> 00:15:06,519 still talking about this team needs shooting, but I don't 304 00:15:06,559 --> 00:15:09,159 know if we was worried about, oh, we need someone 305 00:15:09,240 --> 00:15:12,639 who can also operate on the ball. I mean, like 306 00:15:13,039 --> 00:15:14,960 the lineup and only played two hundred and fifty eight 307 00:15:15,000 --> 00:15:18,639 possessions together. But Suggs, Bane, Wagner, Bankerrow and Wendell Carter 308 00:15:18,759 --> 00:15:21,919 Junior are plus seventeen points per one hundred possessions and 309 00:15:21,919 --> 00:15:23,639 they have an offensive rating of almost one hundred and 310 00:15:23,679 --> 00:15:25,720 twenty four, and so a lot of this is probably 311 00:15:25,759 --> 00:15:27,759 a non issue if they're healthy. It's a lot of 312 00:15:27,799 --> 00:15:31,519 the secondary units have not been necessarily the best, and 313 00:15:31,600 --> 00:15:35,120 you've also just the lack of consistency amongst them is 314 00:15:35,200 --> 00:15:37,480 a problem. So I don't even know what would be 315 00:15:37,600 --> 00:15:40,320 the guard Like Colin Sexton just feels like if you 316 00:15:40,320 --> 00:15:42,759 can get under the tax while getting Colin Sexton, he 317 00:15:42,879 --> 00:15:45,159 has more utility to this team than a Johnathan Isaac. 318 00:15:46,080 --> 00:15:48,279 Speaker 2: I think that's fair. I do think that's fair. And 319 00:15:48,279 --> 00:15:50,759 he's probably gonna soak up the Tyas Jones minnets anyway, 320 00:15:51,840 --> 00:15:54,639 or was Tyson Malton. That's straight no, right, he. 321 00:15:54,720 --> 00:15:57,600 Speaker 1: Could be, and I think it's just I'm giving up 322 00:15:57,639 --> 00:16:00,159 what takes less compensation for Charlotte to say, yes they 323 00:16:00,200 --> 00:16:02,000 could have That's that's where I would be at. 324 00:16:04,240 --> 00:16:06,200 Speaker 2: So what would be how many do they have a 325 00:16:06,279 --> 00:16:09,360 lot of seconds going out or generally speaking. 326 00:16:09,159 --> 00:16:11,399 Speaker 1: Or are they they have seconds going out, but they 327 00:16:11,440 --> 00:16:15,759 also have a second from Detroit or Milwaukee this year 328 00:16:16,360 --> 00:16:19,679 they have a second coming from the Lakers or the 329 00:16:20,080 --> 00:16:22,080 more favorable the Lakers, And yeah, they have second, they 330 00:16:22,120 --> 00:16:22,799 could trace. 331 00:16:22,960 --> 00:16:25,840 Speaker 2: They have second suspend. All right, how about its highest 332 00:16:25,960 --> 00:16:28,919 Jones with seconds for day Ron's sharp deal as well? 333 00:16:30,639 --> 00:16:32,960 If we if we're assumed it's calling second deal, I'm 334 00:16:32,960 --> 00:16:33,320 about to. 335 00:16:33,320 --> 00:16:37,039 Speaker 1: Say, we're gonna get away from even more guards. I 336 00:16:37,120 --> 00:16:40,559 wouldn't hate that. But you're so your vision then is 337 00:16:41,200 --> 00:16:44,279 at that point maybe this is more of an off 338 00:16:44,360 --> 00:16:46,879 season thing. But like so, you just have Goga and 339 00:16:47,120 --> 00:16:50,679 Sharp and Wagner and Wendell Carter Junior on this team plus. 340 00:16:50,519 --> 00:16:53,679 Speaker 2: Bancaro, right, I mean, and then then it's an offseason 341 00:16:53,759 --> 00:16:56,000 issue from there because then you're at least loaded up 342 00:16:56,000 --> 00:16:58,519 with bigs you have you should have plenty of guards, 343 00:16:58,679 --> 00:17:01,000 and you can re up Call and Sexton in the summer. 344 00:17:01,519 --> 00:17:04,880 You can pivot off Windele Carter junior, and would you 345 00:17:05,000 --> 00:17:05,680 just prefer if. 346 00:17:05,599 --> 00:17:08,880 Speaker 1: You want sharp, why not just use Goga to get sharp? 347 00:17:09,839 --> 00:17:13,960 Speaker 2: Oh? Yeah, you can do that. That's fair because I 348 00:17:14,279 --> 00:17:15,960 initially I was assuming you would have to give up 349 00:17:16,039 --> 00:17:19,240 more because Sharper said, like, you're you're asking Brooklyn to 350 00:17:19,319 --> 00:17:22,440 take on two additional million? Is that his first? One 351 00:17:22,519 --> 00:17:23,839 first rounder? Enough to do that? 352 00:17:24,599 --> 00:17:25,599 Speaker 1: One first rounder? 353 00:17:25,640 --> 00:17:28,039 Speaker 2: I'm sorry? Sorry, sorry, sorry? Second second rounder? 354 00:17:28,079 --> 00:17:31,440 Speaker 1: I bet, I think because Goga could have second round 355 00:17:31,519 --> 00:17:35,240 value himself, I would think, yes, sharp, is I think 356 00:17:35,400 --> 00:17:40,079 better younger they? I don't know if I don't know 357 00:17:40,119 --> 00:17:42,480 if this is second round territory, but I would give 358 00:17:42,559 --> 00:17:45,559 up as many seconds as Memphis wanted for camp. Spencer 359 00:17:45,680 --> 00:17:47,359 would be an excellent fit for this time. 360 00:17:47,400 --> 00:17:54,920 Speaker 2: Oh that's interesting. Yeah, yeah, I wouldn't hate that either. Basically, 361 00:17:55,039 --> 00:17:57,119 I'm coming down to this thing where if it comes 362 00:17:57,119 --> 00:17:59,359 down to trade targets and biggest needs, I'm still thinking 363 00:17:59,440 --> 00:18:01,599 big man, but you know, we might have to split 364 00:18:01,640 --> 00:18:03,079 it up and just say, all right, if they duck 365 00:18:03,119 --> 00:18:05,680 the tacks and get a calling Sexton in to at 366 00:18:05,759 --> 00:18:08,759 least fix some of the spacing issues, scoring issues, whatever 367 00:18:08,759 --> 00:18:11,799 you want to call it. During the trade headline, Like 368 00:18:12,039 --> 00:18:15,160 I'm okay with settling for that and then pivoting into 369 00:18:15,200 --> 00:18:17,400 the summer and saying, oh, let's solve the rest of 370 00:18:17,440 --> 00:18:18,079 our issues there. 371 00:18:19,000 --> 00:18:21,039 Speaker 1: I'm just I guess I'm just so fascinated that you 372 00:18:21,079 --> 00:18:23,599 would consider a big man more of a need for 373 00:18:23,680 --> 00:18:25,240 this team than another shooter. 374 00:18:26,680 --> 00:18:29,480 Speaker 2: Well, I mean again, it's also because if you get 375 00:18:29,519 --> 00:18:32,039 another shooter in there, is he going to be allowed 376 00:18:32,119 --> 00:18:36,920 to shoot? Is that because again they traded for Desmond 377 00:18:36,960 --> 00:18:40,680 freakin' Baine and he's not really shooting. I mean, this 378 00:18:40,880 --> 00:18:45,440 is a team that just doesn't seem to allow, you know, 379 00:18:45,640 --> 00:18:50,559 natural shooters the freedom to shoot. So like I'm putting 380 00:18:50,599 --> 00:18:52,519 that at the feet of the coaching stab to a 381 00:18:52,559 --> 00:18:55,000 certain extent, Like we can sit here and say all day, oh, 382 00:18:55,079 --> 00:18:59,359 they need more shooters, sure, but I mean, theoretically they 383 00:18:59,359 --> 00:19:02,680 should have play Jace Richardson. Tyas Jones for the last 384 00:19:02,720 --> 00:19:06,559 two years was an excellent three point shooter, Like something 385 00:19:06,759 --> 00:19:09,240 just kind of dips when you can come into this 386 00:19:09,480 --> 00:19:13,440 very restrictive offensive system. Are we sure that this is 387 00:19:14,119 --> 00:19:17,079 this is a situation of all players just like Desmond Bain, 388 00:19:17,160 --> 00:19:18,920 He's a much better three point shooter than what he's 389 00:19:18,960 --> 00:19:21,279 displaying this year. And again I'm going back to the 390 00:19:21,319 --> 00:19:24,119 point of Tias Jones being as well. Are we sure 391 00:19:24,440 --> 00:19:26,680 that this is one of those situations where, oh, people 392 00:19:26,799 --> 00:19:28,720 just suck when they go to Orlando, or is this 393 00:19:28,880 --> 00:19:31,640 a problem of Hey, Orlando is not really doing what 394 00:19:31,720 --> 00:19:34,240 they can do to free up these shooters and actually 395 00:19:34,920 --> 00:19:37,400 make them realize their own potential. 396 00:19:39,160 --> 00:19:42,200 Speaker 1: If you want a big man this is this would 397 00:19:42,200 --> 00:19:44,680 be the mother of all risks. Okay, but if you 398 00:19:44,759 --> 00:19:47,319 did Wendell Carter Junior, who's just making nothing this season, 399 00:19:47,359 --> 00:19:49,440 which kills him. But I think I think this gets 400 00:19:50,000 --> 00:19:53,640 them out of the tacks. It'd be Jonathan Isaac Wendell 401 00:19:53,680 --> 00:19:58,519 Carter Junior, and then you can use Goga or Tias 402 00:19:58,640 --> 00:20:00,920 Jones for stops porzingis. 403 00:20:01,279 --> 00:20:06,279 Speaker 2: Oh, yes, yes, that'd be fun. If Atlanta is into 404 00:20:06,359 --> 00:20:11,119 that immediately, Who needs to give up picks in that scenario, 405 00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:13,559 I don't even probably or. 406 00:20:14,119 --> 00:20:16,319 Speaker 1: Just because I don't know, I mean, Atlanta actually does 407 00:20:16,400 --> 00:20:19,599 have a functional need for the idea of Tias Jones. 408 00:20:21,720 --> 00:20:24,519 It's Tys Jones I think is the actual ball handler. 409 00:20:24,519 --> 00:20:26,559 I don't think he's been bad, but he's like it's 410 00:20:26,599 --> 00:20:28,200 been rough shooting for him. 411 00:20:28,319 --> 00:20:30,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, he's had a horrible gear. But I'm also I 412 00:20:30,480 --> 00:20:34,720 am not at any point looking at times Jones' ceason 413 00:20:34,839 --> 00:20:38,119 and going, well, this is who he really is. No, no, 414 00:20:38,400 --> 00:20:41,200 this is like a major outlier for how he's played 415 00:20:41,279 --> 00:20:42,559 during the entirety. Are you sure? 416 00:20:42,599 --> 00:20:45,920 Speaker 1: Because he was not any great Shakes and Phoenix last 417 00:20:45,960 --> 00:20:46,359 year either. 418 00:20:46,440 --> 00:20:49,839 Speaker 2: Oh, he wasn't that bad though fair, but he was 419 00:20:49,880 --> 00:20:52,359 still ten points five assists forty one from three. 420 00:20:52,640 --> 00:20:54,759 Speaker 1: Come on, I think you you have to keep Goga 421 00:20:54,759 --> 00:20:56,440 as part of that deal because Chris Tops is going 422 00:20:56,519 --> 00:20:58,319 to be a free agent, and you don't want to 423 00:20:58,400 --> 00:21:00,000 just now all of a sudden be in a situation 424 00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:05,359 where you have no centers. I don't hate that as 425 00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:08,440 much as I thought I would, But I oh, I 426 00:21:08,519 --> 00:21:10,640 think I just broke my own brain because I wouldn't 427 00:21:10,640 --> 00:21:12,359 expect that you just come out and say that you 428 00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:14,359 wanted them to get more pigs. 429 00:21:14,880 --> 00:21:20,160 Speaker 2: But like percincis next to Paolo Franz Spain and sugs 430 00:21:21,839 --> 00:21:24,160 well again, depending health. 431 00:21:24,599 --> 00:21:27,359 Speaker 1: Right, I mean, and they have you imagine just just 432 00:21:27,720 --> 00:21:29,440 I know we don't want to call them injury prone, 433 00:21:29,480 --> 00:21:31,720 but just some of the issues Ben Caro and Franz 434 00:21:31,759 --> 00:21:34,119 Vodner have run into the past two seasons now with 435 00:21:34,319 --> 00:21:35,599 Sugs and with k. 436 00:21:37,359 --> 00:21:41,440 Speaker 2: Ultimate upside play. Yeah, but that would be. 437 00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:44,240 Speaker 1: Fun, would be. You're worried about their rebounding though KP, Well, 438 00:21:44,279 --> 00:21:46,240 they're fine on the defensive end with Polo. That's not 439 00:21:46,240 --> 00:21:47,359 where they're gonna need it either. 440 00:21:47,640 --> 00:21:50,039 Speaker 2: But like, I can't here, do we even like if 441 00:21:50,079 --> 00:21:52,920 KP comes in, do we even trust he gets the 442 00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:55,200 freedom to take the shots that he does? Like they 443 00:21:55,319 --> 00:22:00,160 just working from right? I mean, Jamal mostly just oh, 444 00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:04,279 you're seven to three, get inside, Like, I don't know, man, 445 00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:07,680 It's just I still think that the best thing this 446 00:22:07,799 --> 00:22:10,599 team could do is a coaching change. Like I and 447 00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:14,440 I'm usually not one to like hammer that point home 448 00:22:14,599 --> 00:22:17,240 again and again and again on it seem when I podcast. 449 00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:21,720 But in the case of Orlando, there's just so many 450 00:22:21,839 --> 00:22:25,759 outliers every single year where I'm like, this can't this 451 00:22:26,119 --> 00:22:29,400 can't be the players all the time, just like like 452 00:22:29,880 --> 00:22:32,799 coming to Florida and suddenly just being like, oh, I'm 453 00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:34,680 like forty percent of what I used to be. Like, 454 00:22:34,799 --> 00:22:37,880 no that at some point it has to be an 455 00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:39,920 internal issue to a certain extent. 456 00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:44,519 Speaker 1: I'm not against you, I just I really want to 457 00:22:44,519 --> 00:22:47,640 see their full core players available for like tens agreed, Yes, 458 00:22:47,720 --> 00:22:50,480 games again, just even if it's coming back is touch 459 00:22:50,559 --> 00:22:53,359 time is down. So he's making an effort to be 460 00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:56,599 part of his larger ecosystem, it feels like, which is 461 00:22:57,440 --> 00:22:59,519 give him the larger ecosystem to be a part of. 462 00:22:59,599 --> 00:23:03,079 Speaker 2: The Yeah rck Now, no, and that is fair, But 463 00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:06,960 I just haven't seen this isn't just limited to this season. 464 00:23:07,519 --> 00:23:08,319 It's for sure. 465 00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:12,880 Speaker 1: No, No, you're right. Look, I think even with the injuries, 466 00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:17,079 if we sit here and say that the Magic failed 467 00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:20,319 to have a league average offense, again, that's a fail 468 00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:22,079 I mean, it's a failure on everyone at that point. 469 00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:24,000 You can throw the players, the coaching staff in there 470 00:23:24,039 --> 00:23:27,480 for sure, but there's no if they finished this season 471 00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:30,119 with their seventeenth in offenses, we're recording this, so they're 472 00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:33,680 so close. I'll argue even if they're like fourteen fifteen, 473 00:23:34,279 --> 00:23:36,720 there'll be some type of a coaching change no later 474 00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:37,759 than the offseason. 475 00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:45,160 Speaker 2: Rights, It's a seam that's difficult to understand in many capacities. 476 00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:47,279 But I do think it's fair that you're bringing up 477 00:23:47,279 --> 00:23:51,799 the injuries because again, Jalen Sucks has missed what seventeen 478 00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:57,039 games front Rockner has missed sixteen, yes, sixteen games, seventeen games, 479 00:23:57,119 --> 00:24:00,559 messed with Jalen, sixteen games, mess for Franz, for Paolo. 480 00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:05,920 That is not nothing, sir no. And it's. 481 00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:09,559 Speaker 1: The sub stuff just bothers the hell on me because 482 00:24:09,559 --> 00:24:13,880 he is he's like the lifeblood of this team still. 483 00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:17,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, and like they don't. I mean, I guess that 484 00:24:17,759 --> 00:24:22,960 they are just so afraid of, you know, overutilizing him. 485 00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:25,039 That's why he's playing twenty five minutes per game and 486 00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:29,200 he's you want him to be unleashed at that salary too, 487 00:24:29,519 --> 00:24:31,799 Like you don't want to limit his minutes when he's healthy, 488 00:24:31,799 --> 00:24:33,680 you presume what we want him to play forty two 489 00:24:33,759 --> 00:24:37,400 forty four minutes per game. But if he's just not 490 00:24:38,559 --> 00:24:44,160 durable enough to do that, that's a concerning conversation we 491 00:24:44,279 --> 00:24:45,240 need to have at some point. 492 00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:48,240 Speaker 1: Right, So he had jump me miss missed the past 493 00:24:48,319 --> 00:24:50,000 few games as we're recording this, But when he came 494 00:24:50,079 --> 00:24:54,680 back on New Year's Eve, he did play twenty five plus, right, 495 00:24:54,799 --> 00:24:58,160 So like that's as a bare minimum threshold if you 496 00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:01,319 could keep him there. I don't think just because you 497 00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:04,680 do have Desmond Bane, you do have Anthony Black, right, 498 00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:07,880 But I to your point, Yes, if you're gonna give 499 00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:10,279 someone a five year, one hundred fifty million dollars contract, 500 00:25:10,279 --> 00:25:12,039 you'd like him to be closer to thirty minutes per 501 00:25:12,079 --> 00:25:13,480 game than twenty five minutes per game. 502 00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:15,880 Speaker 2: I mean, they just kind of matters having your best 503 00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:16,720 players on the floor. 504 00:25:17,599 --> 00:25:20,680 Speaker 1: And I it's a compliment to him because it's not 505 00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:22,839 just oh, we think that contract is bad because you 506 00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:24,880 don't want him on the floor. Its no, this team 507 00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:27,519 materially needs Jim Sucks on the floor to be the 508 00:25:27,559 --> 00:25:29,079 best version of itself. 509 00:25:29,759 --> 00:25:30,000 Speaker 2: Moral. 510 00:25:30,039 --> 00:25:33,000 Speaker 1: The story here is I think they will duck the tacks. 511 00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:36,640 I am now officially curious to see whether they go 512 00:25:36,839 --> 00:25:38,680 after a ball handler or shooter or a big man 513 00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:40,400 because we kind of just ran up and down the 514 00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:43,359 depth charts. But they everything we named. It could come 515 00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:45,400 in the form of a wing. It could be a guard, 516 00:25:45,559 --> 00:25:47,720 or to your point, it could be a center. And 517 00:25:48,079 --> 00:25:50,279 my head actually still hurts from just coming up with 518 00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:53,960 the off the cuff Christops porzingis idea. My head, My 519 00:25:54,079 --> 00:25:57,039 head just still hurts. Do you have anything else on them? 520 00:25:57,559 --> 00:25:58,319 Speaker 2: I do not, sir. 521 00:25:59,319 --> 00:26:01,240 Speaker 1: You don't want to have any awkward Palo ban Caro 522 00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:02,599 discussions at the moment. 523 00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:06,480 Speaker 2: No, you know what, I think we've had enough of them. Besides, also, 524 00:26:06,799 --> 00:26:09,720 so I can pluck this, I wrote about over at 525 00:26:09,759 --> 00:26:13,920 Yahoo's Sports, just the limitations of certain stars and why 526 00:26:14,279 --> 00:26:17,920 they could struggle reaching superstardom, and Powlo ben Caro is 527 00:26:18,559 --> 00:26:22,160 heavily featured. I might have called him the Eastern Conference 528 00:26:22,279 --> 00:26:23,359 version of Demartin Rosen. 529 00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:27,920 Speaker 1: Ooh, if he could become Demart Rosen as a playmaker, 530 00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:30,519 I don't know. That's I don't hate. 531 00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:33,680 Speaker 2: It, so that'd be nice. I was more talking about 532 00:26:33,759 --> 00:26:36,640 like milking the clock and everything else, like the downside 533 00:26:36,799 --> 00:26:37,279 version of it. 534 00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:39,160 Speaker 1: I think again, I think he's probably done a better 535 00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:42,000 job of that. But Orlando's Magic fans are gonna hate 536 00:26:42,079 --> 00:26:44,799 us for this, But it's you could look at their 537 00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:48,200 players in their top three players in Bain, I mean 538 00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:50,000 you could throw Sugs in there for top four, Bain, 539 00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:51,200 Wagner and ban Caro. 540 00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:52,119 Speaker 2: Yep. 541 00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:58,720 Speaker 1: How many of those contracts do you feel confident in 542 00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:03,599 remaining net neutral to positive value over the next two 543 00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:04,599 to three years. 544 00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:08,000 Speaker 2: Given that Jalen Sugs' contract is descending in. 545 00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:10,559 Speaker 1: Value, all right, so throw him out of there the 546 00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:11,119 top three. 547 00:27:11,559 --> 00:27:16,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, so Bain, I'm okay, with it's Polo and France 548 00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:20,480 that like Franz, I need to see the three being reliable, 549 00:27:20,559 --> 00:27:22,559 like he's sitting in at a decent rate this year. 550 00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:25,279 If that drops back into the twenties next year and 551 00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:27,319 this was like a one year blip where he just 552 00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:30,599 had a good year shooting the ball, oh boy, am 553 00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:31,279 I concerned. 554 00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:34,960 Speaker 1: So even if you're including Suggs because you mentioned the 555 00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:37,240 minutes concerning the injuries, it is declining. So that is 556 00:27:37,279 --> 00:27:42,440 certainly fair. Do you trust that two half those deals 557 00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:47,960 are going to age well in the magic favor? I'll 558 00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:49,720 be an optimist and say yes, but the fact that 559 00:27:49,799 --> 00:27:51,119 it's even a question is a little bit. 560 00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:53,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's concerning. Yeah, I want to be optimistic too, 561 00:27:54,079 --> 00:27:56,640 but my brain is telling me otherwise. 562 00:27:57,599 --> 00:27:59,039 Speaker 1: I want to see this team get healthy because I 563 00:27:59,039 --> 00:28:01,039 think they could fuss it up in East if they're healthy. 564 00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:02,920 Can you tell our listeners where they can find you 565 00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:04,039 in all the great work that you do. 566 00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:07,200 Speaker 2: Yes, sir. You can find me over at Yahoo Sports. 567 00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:09,640 You can find me at the NB podcast and if 568 00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:13,039 you understand Danish buzzer Beater, that's a podcast and you 569 00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:15,119 can catch me calling games onto each box. 570 00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:18,160 Speaker 1: It is also a shot more but on until next 571 00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:19,799 time and as always we have the shout out to 572 00:28:19,839 --> 00:28:22,759 the one, the only, mister frank Ela Keina.