Speaker 1: What is up, Fellasiko's I am Dan Valley coming at
you with the one the only, mister Mort Jensen of
the NBA podcast, fame of Yahoo's boards, fame of HBO maps,
fame and of course OnlyFans celebrity. Our trade deadline primer
train continues to roll on. We are on to the
Orlando Magic, who I think are probably gonna have one
of the least interesting trade deadlines of any team. And
if they don't, that something is something wild has probably
happened before we get started. Mort, how the heck are
you doing?
Speaker 2: I'm doing well. I am already in trade deadline mindset
for the Orlando Magic. I have this spicy one. They
should trade Deamind Banes of the Memphis Grizzlies for for
first rounders.
Speaker 1: They don't want, John Moran. Let's take a look at
the Orlando Magic trade deadline vitals. So this is noteworthy
because I think this is going to define a lot
of the conversation on them. They are five point six
million dollars into the luxury tax. They are thirteen million
dollars into the tax for next year. That's with Jonathan
Isaac on the books and eleven players on the roster.
They can trade up to one first round pick in
twenty thirty two, and they have outright swaps in twenty
seven and thirty one. They could technically swap in twenty
twenty nine, but Memphis has first DIBs on their pick now,
just as a note, because people have talked about it,
and I had to confirm what Palo would count as
he's poison pilled if you wanted to trade him, because
he signed the contract with escalator language and so just
the way that unlikely incentives can sometimes work, I assume
that he would just account for the two hundred and
eighty seven million dollar number. Friend of the podcast, Brian
Tapoorak corrected me and said it would be the two
hundred and thirty nine million dollar number. Doesn't matter because
to the Orlando Magic he is worth fifteen point four
million in outgoing salary. To his new team, he is
over forty million dollars in incoming money. That just makes
a trade unnavigable. And I was only throwing that out
there because there was a lot of the would you
trade Paalo for Yannis? Once Zachlow mentioned it. Maybe a
discussion for the summer, but I still remain a Pallo guy,
even if there have been some concerns so the Orlando
magic that makes one of us, well, let's not get there.
I think we need to begin with will they duck
the tax more?
Speaker 2: When you're five point five seven six million under the
tax line and you have movable contracts like well, okay,
we can talk about what is defined as movable, but
when you have at least expiring contracts in terms of
times Jones, Jed Howard M. Wagner, and you have a
Jonathan isa contract that's I presume movable because of the
non guarantees attached to his deal. I would be a
little surprised if they didn't explore it. Whether they find
a deal and someone to take it, that's the different
side of the coin. But I'm very much expecting them
to explore it. I imagine that is going to be
priority Numero uno going into the straight ded line for them. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And it makes sense too, because there's no point in starting.
Even if you think that they can still come out
of the East, which they I mean they really could.
The East is just wide open, with all due respect
to Detroit and not as much to New York. You
shouldn't start the repeater clock now as your team is
gonna get more expensive. So having the means to get
out of the tax is a big deal for them
because you have Franz's extension already kicked in, Desmond Baine
is on a bigger money deal, and Palo's extension is
gonna kick in next season. And oh, by the way,
Anthony Black is playing with a type of swagger this
year that makes you think he's also someone that's gonna
get too syllable put aid. You just your roster is
about to cost you through the teeth after this season
and moving forward, so you need to dust the tax.
What is kind of inconvenient for them is that you
can't just trade Jet Howard and do it. You come
up like it's pretty close, but you come up, you
come up fairly short. So it needs to be more like,
is it him in another move or are you just
dumping outright? Tyas Jones or Gogo Matadze. Those are the
three names that I kind of have circled here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so they don't really have their long term center
in place, I don't think. I think when they traded
for Desmond Baine they at least secured like four starters
long term, and I wonder if they're willing to pivot off,
you know, potentially. Oh, by the way, Wendell Carter's junior's
extension is kicking in next year as well, So like,
is he actually poisoned pilled because his contract increases by
almost one hundred percent?
Speaker 1: Right, No, he shouldn't be poison pilled because he that's
a veteran extension for him.
Speaker 2: That was Oh, that's right, because it's a veteran extension. Okay,
fair enough. But like I'm assuming that they're open minded
to moving him in the right deal. Same with Go
Go because like again, if you don't have your long
term center in place, why would you necessarily look at
guys who are long you know, sort of rentals as
you know, not on the trade block form. So but
Tats is one guy I'm looking at. I'm basically assuming
that Anthony Black. I don't want to say he's untouchable,
but in terms of like relinquishing him for docking the
tax now, I've very watched out that it's not in play.
Tyas Jones, I imagine is the guy they want to pivot
off of. But who is going to be absorbing five
point five plus million.
Speaker 1: Honestly, if I had to guess, I would think that,
and they'd be willing to take back money. I think
they should be looking to just move Jonathan Isaac and
you get cheaper players back. The problem is is just
what are you compensating to do that? But I think
more of the story here is they are going to
I will be flabbergasted moret if they do not duck
the tax, and I think the conversation to have though
is as part of that. They might also be looking
to address roster needs. This is not a raw that
feels finished when you look at the magic to me,
and this is fairly problematic because you did just trade
so much for Desmond Bane. But the needs are the
same as ever. They could use more shooting and more
ball handling, and now the latter at least you can
chalk up to they've just been so injured. When you
look at the time that Jalen subs and Palabank, Carrol
Friends Wagner's Mitch. The shooting is just I guess this
team is always gonna need it.
Speaker 2: There.
Speaker 1: They're still hovering closer to the bottom ten of offensive
efficiency as we record this, so I think the play
for them, and we'll get into targets and stuff. Is
to what can you do?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, if you can just move Tighas Jones, fine and
how that's what you want to do. You on the attacks,
But can you do something, whether it's at the scale
of Goga, maybe the scale of Goga and Jonathan Isaac,
but moving those guys while also taking back someone who
fills some of you. We're not asking them to be
in your closing lineup, but to just balance out the
offensive side of the roster a little bit more.
Speaker 2: So, do you have a name in mind?
Speaker 1: I thought about could you do? I think you need
to compensate Charlotte for this, all right, but Jonathan Isaac
and Jet Howard for Colin Sexton and then you're still
gonna need to that doesn't get you out of the tax.
Yeah about that's I mean, maybe they would be interested
in Goga if you wanted to go Goga and Isaac,
but then you are thinning out your front line quite
a bit. But the idea would be, Okay, you're saving
like three million bucks or whatever, and then you can
go figure out how you're gonna save the rest after that.
Speaker 2: Well that's oh was Jet Howard involved in this deal.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Jet Howard and Jonathan Isaac. I mean you could
do Tias Jones and John Maybe that makes more sense
because they're sending out Colin Sexton and that. I think
that's the one where you would save like three million bucks.
It's a net. It's like a wash if you include
Jet Howard with Jonathan Isaac, so.
Speaker 2: You you could actually foresee them trying to duck the
tax by pulling multiple traits into one big swoop.
Speaker 1: If you could do it. I mean, Charlotte has the
flexibility to where you could say, hey, here are these
three guys, give us another player, we'll take back and
do a three for two. You could do something like that.
But I'm saying, do you look at this team and
say the only thing they should be looking to do
with the trade deadline is duct the tax. That's what
I'm getting at is it feels like there's a I
don't know how much consext it would play, but you
could certainly insulate him defensively if Jallen Sugs and Anthony
Black are healthy. If one of them's healthy, quite frankly,
you don't need him to just as someone who will
drive spray provide you some floor spacing.
Speaker 2: I mean, look, I would love to solve two issues
in one swoop. I think from my money, I'm looking
at a team that when they're trying to any team
really that's trying to duct the tax I think that's
the mindset they're operating with. I don't think they're necessarily
going in and thinking about how they can upgrade a roster,
like if you can do both at the same time, great,
but that is going to be on the worldly costly
on so many parameters. It's like, what was their pick
situation again? They had one pick to give right.
Speaker 1: Then one first round pick to give. Yeah, that I
think we're in for the deal I just named. Weren't
second round territory and they have they have a bunch
of seconds coming in.
Speaker 2: Over the but that doesn't even get them fully under
the text, Like they have to do a follow up trade, right.
Speaker 1: Right, I mean, I think you could get if you're
if you're just attaching second rounders to Jet Howard, I'm
assuming you will get a team to take him. So
if it's Tias Jones and Isaac and seconds two seconds
to get Colin Sexton, and then you need another second
to get off Jet Howard. That's not okay.
Speaker 2: No, that that's good. I like that. So it's called
it sex and who's like the primary guy? Right?
Speaker 1: The other thing? I don't know if this gets them
fully It probably comes pretty close. But you could go
to Utah and Bryce Sensiba or Saphie m Kaye Luke
would both be excellent fits on this roster. So what
can you what can you do to who do you
send out there? I mean you could send out Tyas
Jones or Jet Howard. That's just not going to get
you fully out of the tax if you're taking back
one or both of those guys.
Speaker 2: All right, If we want to be really spicy, what
would it take to get Walker Kessler out of Utah.
Speaker 1: More than the one first round pick they could offer?
Speaker 2: Are we sure about that? Given the injury, the fact
that he's going to be a restrict free agent.
Speaker 1: Yes, if they come calling with salary plus their twenty
thirty two first round pick, I think Utah hangs up
the phone.
Speaker 2: I mean, fair is that's at least something I would
inquire about. Would you offer?
Speaker 1: I mean, you could offer Wendell Carter Junior as part
of the compensation, But I don't know how much they
would value. Maybe they say, oh, he's eighteen million starting
next season, whereas Kessler is going to be thirty. Maybe
they see value in that. Would you give up Anthony
Black for Walker Kessler?
Speaker 2: See, I was hoping not to get that specific question
because I was thinking about it or I don't know
where I land. I love Anthony Black, but I do
think a fully healthy Walker Kessler changes your entire defense. Sorry,
and I think you know Orlando obviously already have They
already have a great defense. But to get a guy
like that who just locks down that center position again
when healthy, when healthy, and adds that necessary size, so
many of the issues I have with Poulo Ben Carrow
just goes away by the fact that Walker Kessler clears
them for him. You know, the rebounding issues are. I
don't care Walker Kessler is there. That would be interesting.
I wouldn't hate it. I really wouldn't hate it. But
at the same time, but that makes sense for Utah
because Yance George is there, Like, is there a pathway
for Anthony Black to become the player that he's about
to become in Utah? I mean probably not exactly. So, Yeah,
if trade.
Speaker 1: Jalen Suggs there, try and really open up the construction
if you want, Walker Kesler. I don't like any of
this for Orlando, by the way, I'm just going off
of what you're saying.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I the more that I'm looking at it, I agree.
I would like a center, Like if we're trying to
solve issues at the same time while trying to be better,
A center would.
Speaker 1: Be nice more than shooting and ball handling.
Speaker 2: No, I mean.
Speaker 1: You're gonna have I mean they have that Skoga, Wendell
and Movagner is gonna come back, so you're gonna your
need to make this one makes sense for me, mister Jansen.
Speaker 2: That's fair. It's because I generally don't think highly of
either of those three players. I want someone to complete
that lineup. But you're not wrong. The shooting concerns are
indeed real. They haven't got But I do think, okay,
I do think there's something here in terms of like
internal adjustments, which is I don't want to make this
a coaching issue. I am not personally high on Jamal Mosley.
I think whenever he has a chance to double down
on defense does it, And that is bothering me, because
how can we justify forty games in the season. He
hasn't missed a single game that Desmond Bain has taking
five to threes per game, like he should be taking more,
Franz Vakner should be taking more, Anthony Black should be
taking more. I mean it's Jalen Sucks and Tristan to
Silver are the only ones who I think are like
kind of online in terms of like their volume based
on minutes played. There are so many guys.
Speaker 1: Wich isn't Anthony Black's at like over five attempts a
game is and the or that since December fifteenth.
Speaker 2: I think that's three points because he's four point four
and I think he's gotten good enough to take them.
Speaker 1: And also, yeah, he's taking six over the past month,
knocking him down at a forty one p s.
Speaker 2: All right, well then he's on then he's on the
right path because he should be taking more.
Speaker 1: But you're right off, Desmond Vaine. He's at under five
over the past months, right.
Speaker 2: That's that's just not good enough. So there's some part
of me the things that the shooting things are also
somewhat self inflicted to a certain extent. I'm not saying
like you can solve edything by by just going up
like the NC your own players, like, no, you do
you need something? In terms of the ball handling, God,
if Tias Jones didn't completely bust in that role, that's
I mean, that was the big issue for me because
when I came, when we came into the season there,
I was like, Oh, they're good, They're good on the guards.
They have enough. They have If you want a spot
up shooter at the guard spot, Jase Richardson will do
your bidding, like Tias Jones will handle point guard minutes,
like Jalen Sucks will pass and initiate places like Anthony
Black is there. That should be enough. Well, you're right,
like the offensive production just hasn't been to the to
the point where you need it to be. So so
where where do we make the change? Though? Do we
need to pivot off of certain guards? I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't think it's that. You know, the ball handling
might be exacerbated by I've seen Desmond Baine probably on
the ball more than I want him to be in Orlando.
But a lot of that is just the availability. Because
if you have your if you just have your full
collection of players available, maybe I will say, maybe we're
still talking about this team needs shooting, but I don't
know if we was worried about, oh, we need someone
who can also operate on the ball. I mean, like
the lineup and only played two hundred and fifty eight
possessions together. But Suggs, Bane, Wagner, Bankerrow and Wendell Carter
Junior are plus seventeen points per one hundred possessions and
they have an offensive rating of almost one hundred and
twenty four, and so a lot of this is probably
a non issue if they're healthy. It's a lot of
the secondary units have not been necessarily the best, and
you've also just the lack of consistency amongst them is
a problem. So I don't even know what would be
the guard Like Colin Sexton just feels like if you
can get under the tax while getting Colin Sexton, he
has more utility to this team than a Johnathan Isaac.
Speaker 2: I think that's fair. I do think that's fair. And
he's probably gonna soak up the Tyas Jones minnets anyway,
or was Tyson Malton. That's straight no, right, he.
Speaker 1: Could be, and I think it's just I'm giving up
what takes less compensation for Charlotte to say, yes they
could have That's that's where I would be at.
Speaker 2: So what would be how many do they have a
lot of seconds going out or generally speaking.
Speaker 1: Or are they they have seconds going out, but they
also have a second from Detroit or Milwaukee this year
they have a second coming from the Lakers or the
more favorable the Lakers, And yeah, they have second, they
could trace.
Speaker 2: They have second suspend. All right, how about its highest
Jones with seconds for day Ron's sharp deal as well?
If we if we're assumed it's calling second deal, I'm
about to.
Speaker 1: Say, we're gonna get away from even more guards. I
wouldn't hate that. But you're so your vision then is
at that point maybe this is more of an off
season thing. But like so, you just have Goga and
Sharp and Wagner and Wendell Carter Junior on this team plus.
Speaker 2: Bancaro, right, I mean, and then then it's an offseason
issue from there because then you're at least loaded up
with bigs you have you should have plenty of guards,
and you can re up Call and Sexton in the summer.
You can pivot off Windele Carter junior, and would you
just prefer if.
Speaker 1: You want sharp, why not just use Goga to get sharp?
Speaker 2: Oh? Yeah, you can do that. That's fair because I
initially I was assuming you would have to give up
more because Sharper said, like, you're you're asking Brooklyn to
take on two additional million? Is that his first? One
first rounder? Enough to do that?
Speaker 1: One first rounder?
Speaker 2: I'm sorry? Sorry, sorry, sorry? Second second rounder?
Speaker 1: I bet, I think because Goga could have second round
value himself, I would think, yes, sharp, is I think
better younger they? I don't know if I don't know
if this is second round territory, but I would give
up as many seconds as Memphis wanted for camp. Spencer
would be an excellent fit for this time.
Speaker 2: Oh that's interesting. Yeah, yeah, I wouldn't hate that either. Basically,
I'm coming down to this thing where if it comes
down to trade targets and biggest needs, I'm still thinking
big man, but you know, we might have to split
it up and just say, all right, if they duck
the tacks and get a calling Sexton in to at
least fix some of the spacing issues, scoring issues, whatever
you want to call it. During the trade headline, Like
I'm okay with settling for that and then pivoting into
the summer and saying, oh, let's solve the rest of
our issues there.
Speaker 1: I'm just I guess I'm just so fascinated that you
would consider a big man more of a need for
this team than another shooter.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean again, it's also because if you get
another shooter in there, is he going to be allowed
to shoot? Is that because again they traded for Desmond
freakin' Baine and he's not really shooting. I mean, this
is a team that just doesn't seem to allow, you know,
natural shooters the freedom to shoot. So like I'm putting
that at the feet of the coaching stab to a
certain extent, Like we can sit here and say all day, oh,
they need more shooters, sure, but I mean, theoretically they
should have play Jace Richardson. Tyas Jones for the last
two years was an excellent three point shooter, Like something
just kind of dips when you can come into this
very restrictive offensive system. Are we sure that this is
this is a situation of all players just like Desmond Bain,
He's a much better three point shooter than what he's
displaying this year. And again I'm going back to the
point of Tias Jones being as well. Are we sure
that this is one of those situations where, oh, people
just suck when they go to Orlando, or is this
a problem of Hey, Orlando is not really doing what
they can do to free up these shooters and actually
make them realize their own potential.
Speaker 1: If you want a big man this is this would
be the mother of all risks. Okay, but if you
did Wendell Carter Junior, who's just making nothing this season,
which kills him. But I think I think this gets
them out of the tacks. It'd be Jonathan Isaac Wendell
Carter Junior, and then you can use Goga or Tias
Jones for stops porzingis.
Speaker 2: Oh, yes, yes, that'd be fun. If Atlanta is into
that immediately, Who needs to give up picks in that scenario,
I don't even probably or.
Speaker 1: Just because I don't know, I mean, Atlanta actually does
have a functional need for the idea of Tias Jones.
It's Tys Jones I think is the actual ball handler.
I don't think he's been bad, but he's like it's
been rough shooting for him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's had a horrible gear. But I'm also I
am not at any point looking at times Jones' ceason
and going, well, this is who he really is. No, no,
this is like a major outlier for how he's played
during the entirety. Are you sure?
Speaker 1: Because he was not any great Shakes and Phoenix last
year either.
Speaker 2: Oh, he wasn't that bad though fair, but he was
still ten points five assists forty one from three.
Speaker 1: Come on, I think you you have to keep Goga
as part of that deal because Chris Tops is going
to be a free agent, and you don't want to
just now all of a sudden be in a situation
where you have no centers. I don't hate that as
much as I thought I would, But I oh, I
think I just broke my own brain because I wouldn't
expect that you just come out and say that you
wanted them to get more pigs.
Speaker 2: But like percincis next to Paolo Franz Spain and sugs
well again, depending health.
Speaker 1: Right, I mean, and they have you imagine just just
I know we don't want to call them injury prone,
but just some of the issues Ben Caro and Franz
Vodner have run into the past two seasons now with
Sugs and with k.
Speaker 2: Ultimate upside play. Yeah, but that would be.
Speaker 1: Fun, would be. You're worried about their rebounding though KP, Well,
they're fine on the defensive end with Polo. That's not
where they're gonna need it either.
Speaker 2: But like, I can't here, do we even like if
KP comes in, do we even trust he gets the
freedom to take the shots that he does? Like they
just working from right? I mean, Jamal mostly just oh,
you're seven to three, get inside, Like, I don't know, man,
It's just I still think that the best thing this
team could do is a coaching change. Like I and
I'm usually not one to like hammer that point home
again and again and again on it seem when I podcast.
But in the case of Orlando, there's just so many
outliers every single year where I'm like, this can't this
can't be the players all the time, just like like
coming to Florida and suddenly just being like, oh, I'm
like forty percent of what I used to be. Like,
no that at some point it has to be an
internal issue to a certain extent.
Speaker 1: I'm not against you, I just I really want to
see their full core players available for like tens agreed, Yes,
games again, just even if it's coming back is touch
time is down. So he's making an effort to be
part of his larger ecosystem, it feels like, which is
give him the larger ecosystem to be a part of.
Speaker 2: The Yeah rck Now, no, and that is fair, But
I just haven't seen this isn't just limited to this season.
It's for sure.
Speaker 1: No, No, you're right. Look, I think even with the injuries,
if we sit here and say that the Magic failed
to have a league average offense, again, that's a fail
I mean, it's a failure on everyone at that point.
You can throw the players, the coaching staff in there
for sure, but there's no if they finished this season
with their seventeenth in offenses, we're recording this, so they're
so close. I'll argue even if they're like fourteen fifteen,
there'll be some type of a coaching change no later
than the offseason.
Speaker 2: Rights, It's a seam that's difficult to understand in many capacities.
But I do think it's fair that you're bringing up
the injuries because again, Jalen Sucks has missed what seventeen
games front Rockner has missed sixteen, yes, sixteen games, seventeen games,
messed with Jalen, sixteen games, mess for Franz, for Paolo.
That is not nothing, sir no. And it's.
Speaker 1: The sub stuff just bothers the hell on me because
he is he's like the lifeblood of this team still.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and like they don't. I mean, I guess that
they are just so afraid of, you know, overutilizing him.
That's why he's playing twenty five minutes per game and
he's you want him to be unleashed at that salary too,
Like you don't want to limit his minutes when he's healthy,
you presume what we want him to play forty two
forty four minutes per game. But if he's just not
durable enough to do that, that's a concerning conversation we
need to have at some point.
Speaker 1: Right, So he had jump me miss missed the past
few games as we're recording this, But when he came
back on New Year's Eve, he did play twenty five plus, right,
So like that's as a bare minimum threshold if you
could keep him there. I don't think just because you
do have Desmond Bane, you do have Anthony Black, right,
But I to your point, Yes, if you're gonna give
someone a five year, one hundred fifty million dollars contract,
you'd like him to be closer to thirty minutes per
game than twenty five minutes per game.
Speaker 2: I mean, they just kind of matters having your best
players on the floor.
Speaker 1: And I it's a compliment to him because it's not
just oh, we think that contract is bad because you
don't want him on the floor. Its no, this team
materially needs Jim Sucks on the floor to be the
best version of itself.
Speaker 2: Moral.
Speaker 1: The story here is I think they will duck the tacks.
I am now officially curious to see whether they go
after a ball handler or shooter or a big man
because we kind of just ran up and down the
depth charts. But they everything we named. It could come
in the form of a wing. It could be a guard,
or to your point, it could be a center. And
my head actually still hurts from just coming up with
the off the cuff Christops porzingis idea. My head, My
head just still hurts. Do you have anything else on them?
Speaker 2: I do not, sir.
Speaker 1: You don't want to have any awkward Palo ban Caro
discussions at the moment.
Speaker 2: No, you know what, I think we've had enough of them. Besides, also,
so I can pluck this, I wrote about over at
Yahoo's Sports, just the limitations of certain stars and why
they could struggle reaching superstardom, and Powlo ben Caro is
heavily featured. I might have called him the Eastern Conference
version of Demartin Rosen.
Speaker 1: Ooh, if he could become Demart Rosen as a playmaker,
I don't know. That's I don't hate.
Speaker 2: It, so that'd be nice. I was more talking about
like milking the clock and everything else, like the downside
version of it.
Speaker 1: I think again, I think he's probably done a better
job of that. But Orlando's Magic fans are gonna hate
us for this, But it's you could look at their
players in their top three players in Bain, I mean
you could throw Sugs in there for top four, Bain,
Wagner and ban Caro.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 1: How many of those contracts do you feel confident in
remaining net neutral to positive value over the next two
to three years.
Speaker 2: Given that Jalen Sugs' contract is descending in.
Speaker 1: Value, all right, so throw him out of there the
top three.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so Bain, I'm okay, with it's Polo and France
that like Franz, I need to see the three being reliable,
like he's sitting in at a decent rate this year.
If that drops back into the twenties next year and
this was like a one year blip where he just
had a good year shooting the ball, oh boy, am
I concerned.
Speaker 1: So even if you're including Suggs because you mentioned the
minutes concerning the injuries, it is declining. So that is
certainly fair. Do you trust that two half those deals
are going to age well in the magic favor? I'll
be an optimist and say yes, but the fact that
it's even a question is a little bit.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's concerning. Yeah, I want to be optimistic too,
but my brain is telling me otherwise.
Speaker 1: I want to see this team get healthy because I
think they could fuss it up in East if they're healthy.
Can you tell our listeners where they can find you
in all the great work that you do.
Speaker 2: Yes, sir. You can find me over at Yahoo Sports.
You can find me at the NB podcast and if
you understand Danish buzzer Beater, that's a podcast and you
can catch me calling games onto each box.
Speaker 1: It is also a shot more but on until next
time and as always we have the shout out to
the one, the only, mister frank Ela Keina.