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Speaker 1: I'm Jeff Johnson with a film by podcast here with

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the co creator of our show and my best friend

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of thirty plus years, Brad Kozo.

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Speaker 2: Wow thirty years now, you remember that spring break we

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had in panamng Oh.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that was the trip we hung out poolside with

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that girl who had the drop dead legs.

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Speaker 3: I tried to warn you she was a girl gone bad.

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Speaker 2: We didn't agree about her, but we do agree on

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the things that matter, Like, obviously, the greatest guitarist of

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all time is Eddie.

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Speaker 1: And Helen, which is why it goes without saying that

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the greatest rock band of all time is Van Halen Halen.

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Speaker 2: I don't want to jump to conclusions, but it's safe

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to say we agree on the band's best front man

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though too.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 1: Well, sure, David Lee Hagar, hold up, you think Diamond

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Dave is better than the Red Rocker. Next, you're gonna

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tell me that nineteen eighty four is a better album.

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Speaker 3: Than fifty one to fifty. Well it is.

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Speaker 4: I don't know how long you'll need to convince me

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of that, but I'll wait.

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Speaker 2: I think I'll let Jason Indeed do that for me,

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because this week the surely you can't be serious podcast

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is rocking out. Track by track van Halen's nineteen eighty four.

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Speaker 4: Hey, everybody heard you missed us.

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Speaker 3: We're back.

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Speaker 4: Brought my pencil, Give me something to ride on. I

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don't feel tardy.

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Speaker 3: That's my favorite line. I wanted that line. How's it going, everybody?

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We are back again for another van Halen episode. Now,

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in twenty twenty, we did van Halen Versus van Hagar

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as a kind of collective. We reviewed basically all of

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the history of van Halen for our first two episodes,

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and then for our final third episode, we kind of

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talked about the transition into van Hagar. Jason was a

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van Hagar fan. I was a van Halen fan. Not

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that he's not, but right, there's definitely he sided with

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van Hagar and I sided with van Halen. Now, since then,

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it was six years ago. Yeah, since then a lot

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of things have happened, most notably the passing of Vennie

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Speaker 4: Sure, sure, and you know we've had six seasons to

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get better that those first episodes. I actually listened to them. Yeah,

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I don't think our mic was as good, and maybe

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my voice wasn't as strong as I would have liked,

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but the information I think is there. And if you

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want to know about Van Halen, go back and listen

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those episodes.

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Speaker 3: There's some of my favorite episodes. We did a rerun

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of them back in like I think twenty twenty two

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or so. And here's my oath to you all. Today.

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The information would give you is going to be copious,

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and I'm going to say ninety percent of it stuff

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that's not in those old episodes. So if you want

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more of the history, you haven't heard those old episodes,

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go check them out. I still love listening to them.

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I listened to them before we did this podcast just

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to kind of refresh my recollection. But today I'm giving

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you all kinds of new information. So don't skip this

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one just because you've heard those old ones and the

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other on about me. I got new information too you.

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I don't know what you This is part of what

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we do. I don't know what he has. He doesn't

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know what I have. We just come and we just go,

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right and yeah, we come and go. And also what's

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happened since then is we've covered one more Van Halen album.

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Speaker 4: We did Long Cold Winter by Cinderella versus Ou eight

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one two we did that two seasons ago.

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Speaker 3: I think, yeah on.

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Speaker 4: The wall right there, Yeah, and uh and I love

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that album as well. So one of these days we'll

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probably work our way through most of the van Halen catalog.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so here we are season seven. I mean that

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one we did album to album, but we didn't include

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a Van Halen a David Lee Roth album against the

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Van Hagar album. This one. Once again, we're back with

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Van Halen versus Van Hagar and two sequential albums. Right,

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we have nineteen eighty four, which came out in nineteen

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fifty one to fifty fifty eighty six. So they recorded

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Speaker 4: The reason why they named this album nineteen eighty four.

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Speaker 3: Do you know this because it was nineteen eighty four.

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Speaker 4: Well, one would think that George Orwell no, but I

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from George Orwell, okay, to be a positive thing. We've

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talked about how nineteen eighty four might be the greatest

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year in pop culture.

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Speaker 3: By the way, go check out our friend David Wright

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def Dave's new podcast he's just come out with Just

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come Out. It is all about the year nineteen eighty.

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Speaker 4: Four chronologically through nineteen eighty four. It's called Deaf Dave's

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Speaker 3: Go check it out. So he argues it is the

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best year in eighties history, which would make it the

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best year in our lifetimes. I suppose, very very possibly. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: But the reason why the Van Halen Brothers decided to

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call this nineteen eighty four was because the record company

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was pushing them to get this thing out before it

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was ready aka nineteen eighty three, right, and they're like,

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we're gonna call this nineteen eighty four so as a

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get off our back and let us do our thing right.

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Speaker 3: So we've got tons of songs to talk about. I

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just got a real quick I got to say this.

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This was one of the first three cassettes that I

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ever owned. Okay, it was Minute Work, it was Wham

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Make It Big, and it was this. Those were the

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three first tapes that I owned. And that's a that's

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a variety of that.

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Speaker 4: That's a good selection. Wham Make It Big We've already

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covered yep, go check that out minute work we're covering in.

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Speaker 3: Just a few weeks yep.

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Speaker 4: And then this week, of course we're covering today. And

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those are three great tapes. I can't fault you.

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Speaker 3: Michael Jackson in there somewhere. Well, Michael Jackson was my

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first LP. I had him before I had any of

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the cassettes. I had Thriller on vinyl.

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Speaker 4: Okay, So this album was released January ninth of nineteen

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eighty four. Although I did play a trivial pursuit game.

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album released, and it said December thirty first, nineteen eighty three.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And there was something about the release of a single.

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Speaker 4: But the video for Jump was released at midnight nineteen

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because it would probably still be in December thirty first

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Speaker 4: For US, namely exactly good point, good point. So this

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is the last album to feature David Lee Roth until twenty.

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Speaker 3: Twelve Sixth Studio Album.

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Speaker 4: Sixth studio album. This album only reached number.

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Speaker 3: Two because of Thriller.

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Speaker 4: Because of Thriller which was helped by.

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Speaker 4: Right now, most people will say either you're nineteen eighty

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four and before fans, or you're fifty one to fifty

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and beyond. But to me, I think that the split

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that's the more logical split. But we'll talk about that.

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Speaker 3: So I you know, I thought of that very thing.

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going to go ahead and say, even though there have

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been other synthesizers in their catalog before this, this is

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song on the album, which is nineteen eighty four. Okay,

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so there's a lot of synthesizer over here. I mean

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it's kind of making its announcement, right. I got no drums, nope,

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and no bass, right, I got no guitar, right? This

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is a van of Haleen song with no guitar. Yes,

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what the heck is happening here?

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Speaker 4: Last synth?

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that they've used a synthesizer or keyboards in their stuff,

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right right, Okay, So do you you remember what album

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came out right before this album? Now, it wasn't even

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Speaker 4: You know that they released the single pretty Woman, and

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it did so well that the record company is like,

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with a song, and so they rushed through. It's basically

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Speaker 3: Of covers, right, and you remember that we I mean,

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and eize that there's no part for me. Yeah, so

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longer than the song had to play, right, and so

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that is called Intruder. Yeah, right now, Intruder uses keyboards

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in it, he does. Yeah, And you know what, it's

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the fourth song that they've had that uses keyboards, the fourth. Okay,

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they could fill this space in this music video that

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and the video ultimately gets banned. They don't even get

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Speaker 4: On it because because you have a transnational being molested

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one is so this is love okay, and also off

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a fair warning? Is this song called Sunday in the

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Park okay, now sending the park. I sent it to

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you earlier today. It is. It's definitely keyboards, but it's

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like the dark kind of rush, you know, like mystic

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sounding keyboards. It sounds ominous. And eddievan Halen actually wrote

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this about the Valerie Bertinelli as they were engaged and

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he was frustrated and angry. It's like this dark and

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foreboding thing. Playfleek titled Sunday in the Park, which sounds

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much much nicer. Right. So there have been four solid

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songs that they have done with keyboards in them. And

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everybody is up in arms about this album being the

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synth album and they've gone synth pop and is it

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really different? And I'm gonna say the answer is yes,

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it's different. It's different, okay. And it's different because of

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the next song that we're about to play. Yes, obviously

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before I get into jump, because we're not there yet, right,

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let me tell you a story. In eighty one, they

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in their Fair Warning tour. Then they have this hit

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song they have to produce diver down. In April of

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eighty two, Eddie Van Halen goes to see a guy

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named Alan Holtzworth play. He is a guitarist guitarist and

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is incredibly good and Eddie is not only watching him

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know who is in the crowd there with him? A

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young guitarist who's Frank Zappa's guitarist, a guy named Steve Vi.

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Steve Vi. And so Steve I meets Eddie Van Halen.

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if you ever want to meet Frank, here's my number.

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of weird accent, and she's like, Frank, You've got a

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call from Eddie Edvard Edvard van Halen, And so Frank's

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talking to him and he's like trying to figure out

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is this really Eddie Van Halen that I'm talking to here,

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and he's like Duezel, who's twelve at this point, He's like, Duezel,

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you like Van Halen. He's like yeah. He's like, come here,

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tell me if this is really him. Like they talking

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a bit and he's like, yeah, I recognize in his

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voice from like fair Warning or something like that, which

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it wasn't even anyway, that's not a portant. He was wrong,

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it wasn't even any but anyway, Yeah, he's like, yeah, Dad,

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that's really Eddie van Halen. And then Eddie van Halen

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shows up at their house and he's like playing with

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him a little bit. He's like, I want to hear

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more of your stuff. So he goes back to his

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own house, which is a few blocks away, gets three

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Van Halen albums, brings them back, and Frank Zappa is like,

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I gotta tell you thank you for reinventing.

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Speaker 4: The electric guitar, inventing the electric guitar.

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Speaker 3: Because I thought you guys were just another ac DC

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and I was wrong. And of course Dweezel a starstruck

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because he loves Van Halen well.

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Speaker 4: And remember Frank Zappa is notorious for being incredibly hard

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on musicians.

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Speaker 3: Oh, Steve Lucather got.

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Speaker 4: Thrown out, like laughed out of the room for being

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terrible on guitar.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Steve I is the virtuoso that he is because

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he was whipped into submission by Frank Zappa. So Frank, Eddie,

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and Steve Vai all are together jamming at Frank's house.

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In Frank's studio. Dewezl is there. He's trying to help

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and take part in things, and Eddie actually help helps

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Dewesel write his first song. He's got a little twelve

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year old band and a song is called My Mother's

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a Space Cadet. Right, And on the credits it was

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a pressed album. On the credits, the Vards are listed

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as the Vards because he was Edward.

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Speaker 4: Yes, before you go for the quick trivia question for you, Okay,

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we'll see how you do on this. Yeah, we're getting

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ready to cover a movie pretty soon that has deesel

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Zappa in it. I don't know pretty in Pink has

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disel Zappa. He was dating Molly Ringwold at the time

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they filmed that movie.

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Speaker 3: Wow. So there's that.

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Speaker 4: And then Steve I of course leaves Frank Zappa and

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goes on to play for Davily Roth and then of

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course White Snake after that.

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Speaker 3: Yep. So I tell you all this to say Eddie

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was inspired by what Frank was able to do because

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he was one of the guys who had fought against

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Warner Brothers for a long time to be able to

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do his own stuff. And the way he kind of

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made that work was he built his own studio.

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Speaker 4: I'll do it at my house where nobody is there

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but me. Yes, And I do think that that's the

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key shift here, because Eddie takes notes from this and says,

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I'm tired of Dave and Ted Tembleman bean over my

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shoulder all the freaking time. Yes, I'm building a studio

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at my house.

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Speaker 3: Yes, which I'm going to talk about in just a second,

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but real quick. Just as a kind of cute side story, Yep.

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Dweezle ultimately ends up doing Running with the Devil with

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his band. At a talent show. He calls Eddie because

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it's like my guitar keeps going out of tune, and

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so Eddie goes to visit him, goes back to his

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house and brings him a guitar that has these locking nuts.

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This is Floyd Rose brand new gear. You put these

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locking nuts on the guitar and it helps it from

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going out of time tune when you use the whammi bar,

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which you have to in Running with the Devil, and

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he gives him the guitar, just gives it to him.

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Here you go. Here's an Eddie Van Halen Floyd Rose

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locking nut guitar. Oh, by the way, you're not playing

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that right, let me show you how to really play it.

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Teaches him how to actually play it for his talent show.

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There's a lot of question about whether whether Eddie is

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a good guy or an asshole, and I think it's

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probably both. Probably both, And I mean Shirley substance abuse

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had something to do with all of that. He did

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a lot of this, He did a lot of a

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lot of stuff. Yeah, but he definitely has a lot

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of moments of being a genuinely nice guy. I think

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that's true. This is one of those moments, right. Yeah.

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So Eddie and Don Landy the light is shown, they're like,

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we have to build our own studio. They don't go

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for the top technology. They go for what sounds good

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and what they can find at the part store.

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Speaker 4: Imagine working at radio shack and Eddie walks in, Oh yeah,

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I'm looking for some parts and build my.

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Speaker 3: I mean in the one ads you know, probably the

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equivalent of Craig Craig list in nineteen eighty two. Right,

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they come across this Bill Pullman recording board, which I

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mean was state of the art at the time. But

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this thing was a piece of crap, and Eddie said,

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we bought it, and it was a piece of crap,

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like it was useless. But Don Landy tinkered around with

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it for a few days and basically rewired the whole thing,

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and then it became the soundboard that they used in

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the new studio.

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Speaker 4: Well, and that goes along with Eddie before. What we've

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talked about before is he took a cast off guitar

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body and made the Frankenstrat out of it. Yes, he's

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kind of a tinkerer. He's got about four different patents

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at the US Patent Office for his tinkering around with stuff, right,

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that's right, including a little lever behind the guitar so

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you can play with both hands.

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Speaker 3: Yes, like a piano.

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Speaker 4: Like a piano.

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Speaker 3: So Eddie is on tour, so he's only kind of

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partially taking part in this, so Don Landy, Bill Weiss

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and Valerie's brothers, the Burton Earlier brothers are over there

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working on the studio while Eddie's touring. And apparently the

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requirement was that they have blazing saddles playing at all times,

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and Valerie would continually bring out dacrease for everybody to

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be drinking. Excuse me, well, I whipped this up. And

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so oh and the other thing was zoning laws in

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California at that that area. Yeah, yeah, no, studios not allowed.

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So you know what eddievan Alan did what he built

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a racketball court. That's good. He built a racketball court

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which was allowed, and then it ended up having a

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bunch of recording equipment inside of it.

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Speaker 4: Oddly enough, I have a story about that same studio

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in about three socks.

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Speaker 3: Okay. Their first problem is there's an am antenna very

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close to the house and they're concerned about it getting feedback,

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so they literally wrap the thing in chicken wire and

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then cement around the chicken wire so that it eliminates

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all of the you know, the bleeding in of any

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radio signals. So it's they keep it at sixty four

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degrees the entire time it's so thick. They shoot a

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forty four magnum at it, and it does and penetrate

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it so that the studio is literally bulletproof.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I'd like to be there the day that

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somebody's like, well, let's test it out, let's see what happens.

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Speaker 3: Well, so after they test the gun, then they have

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to test the sound. The first tape that they put

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in is My Mother is a Space Cadet by duezels App.

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Oh that's cool, Yeah, I love it. Okay, So there

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you go. There's the history of the studio, which is

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how we get this album. Now you get you're gonna

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tell me about nineteen eighty four. This wee.

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Speaker 4: Well, before we go into these tidbits, the name of

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the studio, Oh right, I mean we got to talk

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about that, right, sure. Yeah, the name of the studio

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is fifty one fifty.

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Speaker 3: Fifty one was fifty, which on our previous episode we

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talked about how that's the call sign for somebody being

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involuntarily committed for being crazy, and.

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Speaker 4: Of course we'll be talking about fifty one to fifty

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next week.

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Speaker 3: There you go.

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Speaker 4: So I've got a couple of tidbits on the creation

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of this intro. Okay, there is two stories about who

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wrote it.

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Speaker 3: Yes.

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Speaker 4: One of them is that Eddie wrote it because he

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was nooling around on the keyboard, which I find to

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be the most likely to be true, okay. And then

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the second is that Kevin Dugan, who was Michael Anthony's

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bass tech, said no, Michael Anthony, I wrote that song

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as an intro to Michael Anthony's bass solo in the concerts. Yeah,

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seems like different origin stories to me, significantly different origin stories.

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Speaker 3: And I listened to the like the live version of

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the intro song that plays for Michael Anthony's bass solo,

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and it is that that sound, but I didn't hear

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any of the rest of it, So I think maybe

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it's a nomination, maybe blending of the ideas. Yes, Yeah,

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And apparently like Don Landy was supposed to have recorded

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Eddie noodling around on the keyboards for forty five minutes

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and just kind of plucked these things out as tight

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as this is, I find that hard to believe as well.

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So it's it's probably a mishmash, probably a combination. Yeah.

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By the way, fifty Studios was so noisy that the

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neighbor complained who the neighbor.

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Speaker 4: Was, Lindsay Wagner. And you're still in my story bionic woman. Yes, yeah, yes,

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she would call Valerie Bartonelli and tell her to shut

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the doors because people are trying to sleep around here. Oh,

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by the way, I have bionic hearing.

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Speaker 3: So Eddie is a keyboardist at heart, right, like he's

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a concert pianist right, trained classically, never learned to read music,

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but could from his ear be able to play all

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these classical pieces, which is why you get a whole

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lot of classical in the solos that he does. But

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he was really pushing to do more keyboard stuff and

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was getting a lot of resistance from Ted Templeman and

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from David Lee Roth. Right. He even composed something on

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the Moog synth that Ted Templeman and David Lee Roth

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stole and put in Dancing in the Streets, so you'll

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hear you'll hear a synth in Dancing in the Streets

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that Eddie wrote, but not for that song, like, so

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he was pissed that they put it in that song.

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So he has this, he has this song. Eddie says,

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this is a blending of the rolling Stones. Get off

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of my cloud and Your Kiss is on My List

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by Holland Oates. I know Man. So he plays it

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for David Lee Roth in nineteen eighty two, and davidly

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Roth says, you're a guitar god. No one wants to

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hear you play the keyboards. Yes. He plays it for

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Ted Templeman in nineteen eighty three, and Ted Templeman is like,

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you're a heavy metal band. If we're going to have keyboards,

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it needs to sound like Sunday afternoon in the park

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and needs to sound deep and dark. And what you're

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playing for me right now sounds like what they would

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play between the innings in a baseball game. I heard that. Yeah,

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at some point, Eddie Van Halen just said, you're wrong,

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and we're going to do this song. And now that

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we're doing it in my own studio, I'm going to

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make it sound the way I want it to sound.

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And here's how he wanted it to sound. So this

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was one of three songs that they had worked up

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that Eddie Van Hanlon, Alex and Don Landy had worked up.

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They had worked up all Wait, they'd worked up Dropped

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Dead Legs. Those were more sketches, but Jump they had

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really fleshed out as you know the bass track, and

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so Ted Templeman is like, Okay, I can live with this,

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and he says, Dave, go write some lyrics. And do

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you know how Dave writes his lyrics.

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Speaker 4: He has one of the roadies drive him around in

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his car and he sits in the back and hey,

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crank it up and I'll get my sunglasses on. We'll

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drive around town and I'll think of something.

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Speaker 3: His fifty one low writer Mercury.

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Speaker 4: So he's driving around and he remembers the story where

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there was a guy on top of the Arco towers

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in LA who was going to commit suicide and they

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were news reporters there, and you know, there's a bunch

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of people like please, no.

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Speaker 3: Don't do it, and he's only jump.

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Speaker 4: There's always one person in the crowd who's like, go

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ahead and jump, jump, jump. And he thought that is

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a great line number one, some rebellious attitude, but it's

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also this kind of take a leap, do something, you know,

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go out and live life, you know, do it how

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you want.

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Speaker 3: To do it. Yeah, davidly Ross said that people kind

472
00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:30,599
of gave it this motivational inspiration, but really it was

473
00:23:31,119 --> 00:23:35,960
good to jump, jump and jump. He said, the guy

474
00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:38,119
was going to check out early, going to take the

475
00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:42,160
thirty three story drop. I love it. I love it.

476
00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:45,000
Speaker 4: By the way, I've got a quote for you on

477
00:23:45,119 --> 00:23:48,519
what Eddie van Halen said. His actual quote in regards

478
00:23:48,599 --> 00:23:52,079
to the pushback he was getting on the synthesizer. He

479
00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:55,039
said there were some people, namely Ted Templeman and davidly Roth,

480
00:23:55,039 --> 00:23:57,680
who did not want him to play the synthesizer, and

481
00:23:57,799 --> 00:24:01,799
his quote was, I'll play the freaking Bavarian cheese whistle

482
00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:05,839
if I can do it well, right, I'm doing this right,

483
00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:07,920
And I thought, man, the Bavarian cheese whistle.

484
00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:12,160
Speaker 3: Let's go. Yeah, I can't play the Bavarian cheese whistle. Actually,

485
00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:13,359
can you really? No, I have no idea.

486
00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:14,440
Speaker 4: Yes, I don't even know.

487
00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:20,480
Speaker 3: That the Bavarian whistle. Okay, so real quick. The song

488
00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:23,559
number one was originally called go Ahead and Jump, Go

489
00:24:23,559 --> 00:24:25,839
ahead and ju just jump right. It was also the

490
00:24:25,839 --> 00:24:27,920
one they were going to put the car sounds in

491
00:24:28,319 --> 00:24:30,440
The car sounds that we're gonna hear in our next

492
00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:33,240
song originally were in this song, but they were like, nope,

493
00:24:33,319 --> 00:24:34,640
doesn't fit right. Take it out.

494
00:24:35,039 --> 00:24:37,759
Speaker 4: You know where it was where what was so in

495
00:24:37,799 --> 00:24:43,000
the chorus where he's like, might as well jump, it

496
00:24:43,039 --> 00:24:45,759
was in place of the echoing jump.

497
00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:47,559
Speaker 3: Oh nice. OK, So there you go.

498
00:24:47,759 --> 00:24:49,880
Speaker 4: Before you talk about the music video, which I'm dying

499
00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:53,640
to talk about. This song hit number one February twenty fifth,

500
00:24:53,799 --> 00:24:56,559
nineteen eighty four. It is their only number one song.

501
00:24:56,680 --> 00:25:00,799
It knocked out Karma Chamelion stayed for five weeks, and

502
00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:03,200
I think there's a case to be made that it

503
00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:05,920
is the most iconic song of the nineteen eighties.

504
00:25:09,079 --> 00:25:13,640
Speaker 3: This was on MTV at its inception so much and

505
00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:16,039
after they had spent so much money on the Pretty

506
00:25:16,039 --> 00:25:18,599
Woman video only to have it banned, They're like, let's

507
00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:20,960
go with a minimalist approach to this one.

508
00:25:21,079 --> 00:25:26,079
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's like black dropcloths and their instruments and nothing else. Right,

509
00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:29,240
They're running around doing a whole lot of nothing. Although

510
00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:31,200
I think you're getting ready to tell me. Yeah, but

511
00:25:31,279 --> 00:25:34,119
they filmed a bunch of sort of stuff that they

512
00:25:34,119 --> 00:25:35,519
did not use in this video.

513
00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:40,119
Speaker 3: So the director is Robert Lombardi, Okay, and he's filming

514
00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:43,240
this video. He's doing this minimalist approach. He's got Pete

515
00:25:43,279 --> 00:25:46,000
Angelus also filming. But he says, we didn't use any

516
00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:47,400
of that footage because Pete doesn't know how to use

517
00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:49,839
a sixteen million million camera. Right now, we're going to

518
00:25:49,839 --> 00:25:52,799
talk about Pete Angelis a few times. And I said

519
00:25:52,799 --> 00:25:55,519
to you that the shirt I'm wearing is important. And

520
00:25:55,559 --> 00:25:56,000
do you know.

521
00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:57,759
Speaker 4: Why Crazy brothers the Black Crows?

522
00:25:58,079 --> 00:26:00,319
Speaker 3: Okay, if you will go back and listen to our

523
00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:03,880
Black Crows album to shake your money maker. Yes, Pete

524
00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:07,039
Angelis was the guy who managed the Black Crows after

525
00:26:07,319 --> 00:26:10,680
he got fired by David Lee Roth after he went

526
00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:12,880
with David Lee Roth because he was the one who

527
00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:15,720
had helped he helped up with the original nineteen eighty

528
00:26:15,759 --> 00:26:18,319
four videos, and he was a big influence in all

529
00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:21,799
of the David Lee Roth videos that immediately followed. I

530
00:26:21,839 --> 00:26:24,400
forgot about that, yeah, And so he was the one

531
00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:27,359
that actually taught Chris Robinson how to be a stage

532
00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:30,960
presence and on the stage. What guy is better to

533
00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:33,480
do that than the guy who spent years with David

534
00:26:33,519 --> 00:26:38,880
Lee Roth? Right? Nobody, right? Okay, So davidly Roth Is

535
00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:43,319
he is pressuring Robert Lombardi to do more stuff. Film

536
00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:46,920
a bunch of more of him, more of David Lee Roth. Right,

537
00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:50,359
lots of footage shot where David is just the center

538
00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:54,480
of attention right driving around. He's getting arrested, and so

539
00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:58,400
Robert Lombardi goes to Alex and Eddie and he's like, listen, guys,

540
00:26:58,759 --> 00:27:01,200
I don't think this fits the video. It just doesn't

541
00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:04,680
seem right. And they're like, we agree with you. We

542
00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:06,599
don't want to use that footage. And so the footage

543
00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:09,519
got cut. Bad part was you don't go behind Davide

544
00:27:09,599 --> 00:27:13,519
Roth's back. And he reported to their management and the

545
00:27:13,559 --> 00:27:17,559
management was like, you're fired. Yeah. So the director not just.

546
00:27:17,559 --> 00:27:20,799
Speaker 4: You're fired, here's your check. You're fired. Never want to

547
00:27:20,839 --> 00:27:21,720
see you again.

548
00:27:21,519 --> 00:27:24,759
Speaker 3: Right you. And this is the guy who essentially directed,

549
00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:27,559
if not the most, one of the most iconic videos

550
00:27:27,599 --> 00:27:28,960
of course, yeah Crazy.

551
00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:31,319
Speaker 4: It goes on to win the VMA Award for Best

552
00:27:31,319 --> 00:27:32,240
Performance Video.

553
00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:34,559
Speaker 3: Yeah, nominated for a couple of other spots as well.

554
00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:37,039
Speaker 4: Yeah Yeah, and Robert Lombard's like, never got my award.

555
00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:38,559
Speaker 3: No, it's terrible. Yeah.

556
00:27:38,599 --> 00:27:41,400
Speaker 4: By the way, in this song, it has been confirmed

557
00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:45,319
by both Eddie and Darryl Hall that he stole the

558
00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:46,759
riff from Kisses on My.

559
00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:48,119
Speaker 3: List Yeah for jump.

560
00:27:48,759 --> 00:27:50,920
Speaker 4: We were talking about Hall of Oates here in just

561
00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:51,519
a few weeks.

562
00:27:51,599 --> 00:27:54,599
Speaker 3: Oh that's right. Yeah, So who are we comparing Hollow

563
00:27:54,599 --> 00:27:55,000
Notes to.

564
00:27:55,079 --> 00:27:58,200
Speaker 4: Man It Work, Jay Giles Band and hol of Oats

565
00:27:58,279 --> 00:28:00,000
three big albums from nineteen eighty one?

566
00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:01,000
Speaker 3: All right, another three way?

567
00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:03,319
Speaker 4: Okay, so just a couple more things un jump real quick.

568
00:28:03,759 --> 00:28:06,799
That summer, I remember the Chicago Cubs used it to

569
00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:10,319
introduce all of their baseball games. Yeah, which that's back

570
00:28:10,319 --> 00:28:13,880
when WGN was. Everybody had WGN and you just watch

571
00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:17,240
Cup games all the time. But their retentions already going

572
00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:19,079
on in the band. So Robert Lombard, who you talked

573
00:28:19,079 --> 00:28:22,119
about in the video, he did all of the individual

574
00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:25,240
stuff early in the day. So it's Alex playing the jumps,

575
00:28:25,279 --> 00:28:27,359
it's Michael Anthony run around with the base and he

576
00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:30,039
saved the group stuff until the end of the day

577
00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:32,599
because they were not getting along, Like.

578
00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:34,000
Speaker 3: This is the opening track.

579
00:28:34,039 --> 00:28:36,880
Speaker 4: They're getting ready to do this twelvemonth own the world

580
00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:38,680
thing and they already can't stand each other.

581
00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:39,119
Speaker 3: Right.

582
00:28:41,319 --> 00:28:43,559
Speaker 4: Do you want to hear the top ten for February

583
00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:45,000
twenty fifth, nineteen eighty four.

584
00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:47,599
Speaker 3: The week that this hit number one?

585
00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:49,720
Speaker 4: Oh my god, it brace yourself?

586
00:28:49,799 --> 00:28:51,240
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, here you go.

587
00:28:51,279 --> 00:28:53,279
Speaker 4: Number ten an Innocent Man by Billy Joel.

588
00:28:53,319 --> 00:28:55,079
Speaker 3: Great One covered it, Yeah.

589
00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:58,000
Speaker 4: Number nine, Wrapped Around Your Finger by the Police, Great

590
00:28:58,000 --> 00:28:58,799
One covered it.

591
00:28:58,960 --> 00:28:59,119
Speaker 3: Yep.

592
00:28:59,559 --> 00:29:02,759
Speaker 4: Number eight Let the Music Play by Shannon made our

593
00:29:02,799 --> 00:29:05,680
best of nineteen eighty four must have been yours.

594
00:29:05,799 --> 00:29:08,400
Speaker 3: That wasn't remember that one?

595
00:29:09,119 --> 00:29:12,480
Speaker 4: Number seven Nobody Told Me by John Lennon.

596
00:29:12,759 --> 00:29:13,880
Speaker 3: Oh oh yeah, yeah yeah yeah.

597
00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:16,240
Speaker 4: Number six Joanna by Cool in the Gang.

598
00:29:16,599 --> 00:29:16,759
Speaker 3: Yep.

599
00:29:17,279 --> 00:29:21,839
Speaker 4: Number five Thriller of course covered it. Number four Girls

600
00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:22,640
Just want to have Fun.

601
00:29:22,799 --> 00:29:23,440
Speaker 3: We're going to cover that.

602
00:29:23,559 --> 00:29:26,440
Speaker 4: I haven't got there yet, Okay, we will. Number three

603
00:29:26,559 --> 00:29:28,240
ninety nine Left Balloons.

604
00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:28,920
Speaker 3: Oh wow Yeah.

605
00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:30,240
Speaker 4: Check us out on Patreon.

606
00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:31,200
Speaker 3: Yeah.

607
00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:34,200
Speaker 4: The number two Karma Kamelion impressive.

608
00:29:33,799 --> 00:29:35,480
Speaker 3: List defining the decade.

609
00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:38,240
Speaker 4: One more thing in this song you have an incredible

610
00:29:38,279 --> 00:29:42,680
guitar solo, but you also have an incredible keyboard solo

611
00:29:42,799 --> 00:29:57,839
as well. I can't say enough good things about this song.

612
00:29:57,920 --> 00:29:58,519
Speaker 3: I love it.

613
00:29:58,519 --> 00:30:00,759
Speaker 4: It's iconic. It's one of my f favorite songs.

614
00:30:00,519 --> 00:30:02,359
Speaker 3: From the eighties. It is what I would say is

615
00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:06,000
the pinpoint transition of the old van Halen to the

616
00:30:06,039 --> 00:30:09,200
new van Halen. You've made the case, and I say

617
00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:12,559
I now agree with you because even though they have

618
00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:16,000
used keyboards in the past. This is a different sound keyboard.

619
00:30:16,519 --> 00:30:20,279
This is a keyboard up front and at the beginning

620
00:30:20,559 --> 00:30:24,240
in the solo, prominently displayed in the video. This is

621
00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:24,920
a new van Haleen.

622
00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:26,640
Speaker 4: It's its own solo. You're right, it's a new Van

623
00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:27,960
Haleen at this point.

624
00:30:28,039 --> 00:30:30,160
Speaker 3: Yes, And just in case you were pissed off that

625
00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:32,480
they've made that change, we'll go ahead and bring it

626
00:30:32,559 --> 00:30:34,640
back home to the old style with the next song,

627
00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:48,680
which is Panama.

628
00:30:50,319 --> 00:30:51,519
Speaker 4: I'll freaking love this song.

629
00:30:51,559 --> 00:30:51,680
Speaker 3: Man.

630
00:30:51,759 --> 00:30:52,799
Speaker 4: It rocks my balls.

631
00:30:52,799 --> 00:30:55,160
Speaker 3: Man, I think I said back in twenty twenty, this

632
00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:56,839
is my favorite song on the whole album. It might

633
00:30:56,880 --> 00:30:59,160
still be. It's it's between this and hot for teacher

634
00:30:59,319 --> 00:31:00,000
any day of the week.

635
00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:03,359
Speaker 4: Right, There's a case to be made for jump as well.

636
00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:07,559
Speaker 3: So what do a stripper in Arizona and a dragster

637
00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:10,039
racer from Vegas having gone?

638
00:31:10,519 --> 00:31:12,759
Speaker 4: I guess something with the word Panama.

639
00:31:12,359 --> 00:31:14,359
Speaker 3: They are both inspirations for this song.

640
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:17,400
Speaker 4: Not the country. Not the country has nothing to do

641
00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:29,519
with the country Panama.

642
00:31:30,759 --> 00:31:33,440
Speaker 3: I gotta say it. This will come up again. These

643
00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:38,240
songs are inspired by other songs. These songs are homages

644
00:31:38,279 --> 00:31:41,039
to other songs. I'm gonna have to play dogg Eat

645
00:31:41,079 --> 00:31:55,119
dog By. Oh yeah, you hear it right there.

646
00:31:57,640 --> 00:31:59,079
Speaker 4: Just gotta let it get started a little bit.

647
00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:02,440
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, there's no question with that drums and that guitar.

648
00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:06,839
It's not an identical copy. No, it's better. Yes, it's

649
00:32:06,839 --> 00:32:07,960
definitely borrowed. Yeah.

650
00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:11,559
Speaker 4: I love the inspiration to the creation of this song.

651
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:14,359
So David Lee Roth is talking to a reporter and

652
00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:17,759
the reporter asks him sort of accuses him of only

653
00:32:17,799 --> 00:32:22,000
writing songs about fast women, partying and fast cars. And

654
00:32:22,039 --> 00:32:24,759
he's like, wait a minute, I haven't written a song

655
00:32:24,799 --> 00:32:28,680
about fast cars. And so he's like, I take that

656
00:32:28,759 --> 00:32:31,559
as a challenge. I am writing a song about a

657
00:32:31,599 --> 00:32:32,079
fast car.

658
00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:35,839
Speaker 3: Yeah, the Panama Express from Las Vegas.

659
00:32:36,119 --> 00:32:38,279
Speaker 4: You know, we talked about this in previous episodes, but

660
00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:42,720
the revving sound in this song is Eddie's nineteen seventy

661
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:45,440
two Lamborghini that was given to him as a gift

662
00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:46,160
from Valerie.

663
00:32:46,319 --> 00:32:47,640
Speaker 3: Yes, wedding gift.

664
00:32:47,759 --> 00:32:48,440
Speaker 4: A wedding gift.

665
00:32:48,599 --> 00:32:50,359
Speaker 3: You know who owned it before, Rod Stewart.

666
00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:53,480
Speaker 4: Rod Stewart, And this is the car that was in

667
00:32:53,559 --> 00:32:59,319
the shop that Sammy had his Ferrari that the mechanics like, hey, Sammy, Hey, Eddie,

668
00:32:59,319 --> 00:33:00,519
you guys need to get together.

669
00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:03,920
Speaker 3: Peanut butter meat, chocolate, chocolate meat, peanut butter.

670
00:33:04,599 --> 00:33:08,559
Speaker 4: So this nineteen seventy two Lamborghini is pretty important to

671
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:10,279
the future of Van Halen.

672
00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:14,279
Speaker 3: Yeah. So the single and the video, both released on

673
00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:18,400
the same day. Looks like mid June nineteen eighty four.

674
00:33:18,599 --> 00:33:22,359
Sounds about right, hit number thirteen does okay? Yep. The

675
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:25,359
video starts off with a plane flying and then a

676
00:33:25,599 --> 00:33:28,839
member of Van Halen flying. Yes, this is the first

677
00:33:28,839 --> 00:33:32,720
time we see the Jack Daniels bass. Yeah.

678
00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:35,160
Speaker 4: Michael Anthony was talking to Kevin Duban, who is his

679
00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:40,160
bass technician, and they wanted their own signature guitar like

680
00:33:40,279 --> 00:33:41,839
the Frankenstrat was to Eddie.

681
00:33:42,039 --> 00:33:42,200
Speaker 3: Yep.

682
00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:44,559
Speaker 4: And while they're thinking about what they're going to do,

683
00:33:44,599 --> 00:33:47,279
they're passing back and forth a bottle of Jack Daniels.

684
00:33:47,279 --> 00:33:50,640
What should we do? Ah, I can't think of anything gold,

685
00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:53,519
And then they're like, I got it. Our guitar is

686
00:33:53,559 --> 00:33:55,680
going to look like the bottle of Jack Daniels, right,

687
00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:58,720
and it's super cool. Right, So they contact Jack Daniels,

688
00:33:58,759 --> 00:34:01,799
and Jack Daniels says, Okay, that's fine as long as

689
00:34:01,799 --> 00:34:04,440
you don't make any more than three at one time,

690
00:34:04,599 --> 00:34:08,840
and so here they show up prominently in the Panama video. Yep,

691
00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:10,559
you know what else shows up in the Panama video

692
00:34:10,639 --> 00:34:13,719
where they're like dangling them and like dragging them across

693
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:16,800
like it's the bon Jovi living on a prayer stuff.

694
00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:19,320
Several years before that, I read a story where Michael

695
00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:21,800
Anthony's like, when I look at that video, all I

696
00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:24,519
think about is how bad my nuts were getting crushed

697
00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:28,840
by this thing that was swinging us back and forth.

698
00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:32,760
Speaker 3: Yeah. So director on this video eat Angelus okay, who

699
00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:36,639
got his revenge after Robert Lombard said this guy can't

700
00:34:36,679 --> 00:34:41,079
do He used all of that footage that Robert Lombard

701
00:34:41,079 --> 00:34:43,760
had shot for the Jump video that Robert Lombard said,

702
00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:45,880
I don't want this in this video, so they put

703
00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:49,280
it in the Panama video instead, including the arrest of

704
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:53,280
David Lee Roth in a towel which was staged, not

705
00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:54,239
a real arrest.

706
00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:58,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, but that added some rock credibility that were super cool.

707
00:34:58,639 --> 00:35:01,239
Of course, the motorcycle, it was well done. I thought

708
00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:03,559
it was cool. Yeah, I do agree with them. I

709
00:35:03,599 --> 00:35:05,519
don't think it fits as well in the Jump video

710
00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:07,280
if it's much better in this video.

711
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:07,639
Speaker 3: Sure.

712
00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:09,480
Speaker 4: By the way, the number one song of the week

713
00:35:09,519 --> 00:35:11,159
that Panama tops out at number thirteen.

714
00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:15,599
Speaker 3: Yes, Ghostbusters, Wow, okay capteen eighty four?

715
00:35:15,679 --> 00:35:17,920
Speaker 4: Man, I mean it's it's incredible.

716
00:35:18,159 --> 00:35:20,119
Speaker 3: All right. You ready for the next song.

717
00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:21,760
Speaker 4: Next song on the album?

718
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:23,880
Speaker 3: Okay? Wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait

719
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:27,559
before we announce it. If you listen to this song,

720
00:35:27,679 --> 00:35:30,599
or if you're listening to this, we'll play this song right.

721
00:35:31,079 --> 00:35:32,920
If you've got headphones, put your headphones on, and I

722
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:35,480
want you to tell me, is this one guitar or two?

723
00:35:35,679 --> 00:35:37,320
Listen to how it goes into each year? Is this

724
00:35:37,559 --> 00:35:40,360
is this one guitar or is this too? Okay? This

725
00:35:40,440 --> 00:36:05,440
song is called top Jimmy.

726
00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:07,199
Speaker 4: All right, tell me the story about the strings.

727
00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:10,679
Speaker 3: Okay. So it sounds like you've got like you've got

728
00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:12,679
some strings playing in your right ear and some strings

729
00:36:12,679 --> 00:36:14,440
playing in your left ear. So it would seem to

730
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:16,840
be maybe this is two different guitars. It is not.

731
00:36:17,079 --> 00:36:19,480
This is a guitar that was invented by a guitar

732
00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:22,840
builder called Steve Ripley. Was prototype. The beauty of this

733
00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:26,280
guitar was you could send pick up from one string

734
00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:29,000
to one speaker and pick up from another spring string

735
00:36:29,079 --> 00:36:32,639
to another speaker, and so Eddie is playing one guitar.

736
00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:34,840
These notes, these strings are all being played at the

737
00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:39,159
same time. But unlike Mutt Lang, who would probably record

738
00:36:39,199 --> 00:36:42,119
each individual string and then layer them all together, you

739
00:36:42,159 --> 00:36:44,960
were literally hearing it being played at the same time,

740
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:48,920
but through different speakers. Fantastic and it's beautiful. I love it.

741
00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:50,960
Speaker 4: Jeff Johnson told me this is the worst song on

742
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:52,079
the album. I don't agree with.

743
00:36:52,119 --> 00:36:52,599
Speaker 3: Him on that.

744
00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:58,519
Speaker 4: Geez okay, But this song was written about a real person.

745
00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:02,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, which is rare, okay, rare for David Lee Roth

746
00:37:02,559 --> 00:37:04,400
right about somebody else of all things.

747
00:37:04,679 --> 00:37:08,559
Speaker 4: So this is written about a guy named James Koenik, right,

748
00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:11,920
And he got his name Top Jimmy because he worked

749
00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:22,639
at a restaurant. It was called Top Taco.

750
00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:31,360
Speaker 3: He was also the lead singer of a band. He

751
00:37:31,519 --> 00:37:35,880
was Top Jimmy and the Rhythm Pigs Thank You You're Welcome,

752
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:37,559
real band.

753
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:41,639
Speaker 4: Dave was the anonymous financial backer for this club called

754
00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:44,079
Zero Zero that Top Jimmy owned.

755
00:37:44,159 --> 00:37:45,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, they had to pretend that they were an art

756
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:48,159
gallery because they didn't have a liquor license, and then

757
00:37:48,199 --> 00:37:50,159
they just you know, do their stuff at night when

758
00:37:50,159 --> 00:37:52,920
nobody was really patrol on the streets anyway. Among the

759
00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:56,679
people who enjoyed Zero zero and Top Jimmy and the

760
00:37:56,760 --> 00:38:02,199
Rhythm Pigs, Jim Belushim and get rid of this, you

761
00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:05,800
know it, Lucille Ball, Lucy O Ball, I saw that. Man.

762
00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:09,039
Speaker 4: She actually made that pronouncement on a TV show.

763
00:38:09,119 --> 00:38:12,519
Speaker 3: Yeah, one of her like eighties TV shows that she did.

764
00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:15,320
Speaker 4: Like I love Top Jimmy and the Rhythm Pigs. Yeah,

765
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:17,159
oh that's my kind of music.

766
00:38:19,159 --> 00:38:20,760
Speaker 3: Benny Goodman, Glenn Miller.

767
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:23,039
Speaker 4: No, Top Jimmy and the Rhythm Pigs.

768
00:38:24,639 --> 00:38:27,199
Speaker 3: It was. It was hilarious, even though nobody who knew

769
00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:30,239
who Top Jimmy and the Rhythm Pigs was, because it's

770
00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:33,360
just an absurd name for a band, especially one that

771
00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:36,400
an old at that point, Lady Mom would be listening.

772
00:38:36,639 --> 00:38:39,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, I love the story. David Lee Roth would come

773
00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:41,639
to this club zero zero and it's kind of a

774
00:38:41,679 --> 00:38:44,039
sleazy club. It wasn't a great club, but he would

775
00:38:44,039 --> 00:38:47,239
bring girls in a limo to this club, a couple

776
00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:49,199
of girls on his arm. They would go inside. They're like,

777
00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:51,719
this place stinks, this is gross. Yeah, we're gonna go

778
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:53,480
wait in the limo and He's like, ah, whatever, go

779
00:38:53,559 --> 00:38:55,880
sit in a limo, and pretty soon he'd be sending

780
00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:58,719
other girls out to the limo until the limo.

781
00:38:58,559 --> 00:39:01,119
Speaker 3: Was stuffed full of girls. Great.

782
00:39:01,239 --> 00:39:03,199
Speaker 4: Yeah, very Dave fashion.

783
00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:06,719
Speaker 3: So mention that the guy who invented this guitar that

784
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:10,280
Eddie is playing was Steve Ripley. The name of this

785
00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:15,920
song was actually Ripley. Initially, Okay, ultimately they would, you know,

786
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:18,679
obviously call it top Jimmy. But they took the Ripley

787
00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:21,079
title and they put that to a song that came

788
00:39:21,119 --> 00:39:25,440
out on the Wildlife soundtrack. Remember the movie Wildlife I

789
00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:26,239
Do with.

790
00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:29,199
Speaker 4: Had the guy had Lea Thompson and Eric Stoltz, had

791
00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:31,840
the guy from had chris Pin Weird Science, and it

792
00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:33,440
had Iam Ian.

793
00:39:33,519 --> 00:39:38,719
Speaker 3: Whatever his name is, Wyatt Wyatt. Yes, yeah, So that

794
00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:41,800
title went to that song on the Wildlife soundtrack. But

795
00:39:42,079 --> 00:39:45,119
that music then becomes the basis for Blood and Fire,

796
00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:47,559
which is on the album A Different Kind of Truth,

797
00:39:47,679 --> 00:39:49,920
which is like the reunion.

798
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:52,039
Speaker 4: Album that they bring Dave back into the fold in

799
00:39:52,079 --> 00:39:55,239
twenty twelve. Yeah, by the way, I thought this quote

800
00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:57,960
was great about the zero zero Club. Yes, it was

801
00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:00,400
a great place to have sex on the hood of

802
00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:04,239
cars with a joint and a fifth of Jack Daniels

803
00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:06,800
in one hand and a line of dope on the

804
00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:07,920
back of the other hand.

805
00:40:08,199 --> 00:40:12,599
Speaker 3: Don't do drug skits well too awesome. By the way,

806
00:40:12,679 --> 00:40:18,119
Top Jimmy is an undiscovered gem. Jeff Johnson couldn't be

807
00:40:18,119 --> 00:40:21,440
more wrong this. I love Top Jimmy. We love Jeff

808
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:23,199
all right.

809
00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:46,239
Speaker 4: Next song the album is called drop Dead Legs.

810
00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:57,719
Speaker 3: Okay, I gotta say this. Okay, this sound, this guitar

811
00:40:57,880 --> 00:41:00,719
sound number one. He's not using the frankenstrap. He's using

812
00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:03,079
a Gibson Flying V fifty eight.

813
00:41:03,199 --> 00:41:03,719
Speaker 4: The V thing.

814
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:06,800
Speaker 3: Yeah V. Yes, that's the sound that would become the

815
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:09,519
Van Hagar sound. You listen to the way the guitar

816
00:41:09,639 --> 00:41:12,800
sounds on that song right there, and that's what we

817
00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:15,159
That is the foreshadowing of what we get when we

818
00:41:15,199 --> 00:41:16,199
get fifty one to fifty.

819
00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:18,000
Speaker 4: I mean it makes sense. I love this song.

820
00:41:18,159 --> 00:41:18,840
Speaker 3: I knew you would.

821
00:41:19,079 --> 00:41:22,599
Speaker 4: It's like a melted snicker bar. It's wonderful.

822
00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:25,639
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know why being melted makes it wonderful,

823
00:41:25,639 --> 00:41:28,199
but yet it goes so well, you know, it just

824
00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:31,559
melts in your mouth. Yeah, yeah, it's okay. So again

825
00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:33,719
this one, I'm not gonna play the song for you,

826
00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:35,800
because if you don't know it, I'm like, Okay, go

827
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:38,800
back and listen to our episode on this album. This

828
00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:42,119
one he is an homage to ac DC's Back in Black.

829
00:41:42,599 --> 00:41:45,320
Speaker 4: You can hear it. I didn't even recognize it until

830
00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:46,599
I read Eddie talk about that.

831
00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:52,440
Speaker 3: Yeah it's then yep ye. Now the solo that he

832
00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:55,039
does with the Flying v later on this one, that

833
00:41:55,079 --> 00:41:58,280
one is inspired by Alan Holdsworth, a guy that he

834
00:41:58,360 --> 00:42:00,519
went and was watching and playing with when he met

835
00:42:00,519 --> 00:42:04,519
Steve Y. All those other stories, now he this. He

836
00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:09,480
and Ted Templeman worked to get Alan Holtsworth a record deal.

837
00:42:10,159 --> 00:42:13,480
And the story is so long and complicated I can't

838
00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:17,159
tell it right, but it goes badly. It goes very badly.

839
00:42:17,199 --> 00:42:21,360
Speaker 4: Alan Holdsworth is Eddie's hero, and he uses his power

840
00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:24,280
to get Ted Templeman to produce this album, and in

841
00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:25,440
the end, nobody got.

842
00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:27,239
Speaker 3: What they wanted exactly right, exactly Yes.

843
00:42:28,039 --> 00:42:30,599
Speaker 4: By the way, this song. I sent you a text today,

844
00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:32,800
I said, we haven't talked about a stripper song and forever.

845
00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:36,199
I said, it's good to get back to boobies. I

846
00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:51,840
mean basics. This song was inspired by Marilyn Monroe.

847
00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:55,639
Speaker 3: Speaking of boobies. Yeah. Yeah, So there's this scene in

848
00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:58,639
some Like It Hot where she's walking along with little

849
00:42:58,719 --> 00:43:01,920
violin case and steam shoots out of an engine and

850
00:43:02,039 --> 00:43:04,920
David Lee Roth was like, I would do anything to

851
00:43:05,039 --> 00:43:06,960
have been that violin case at that moment.

852
00:43:09,159 --> 00:43:12,960
Speaker 4: Yes, I love this song. It is a gem for me.

853
00:43:13,079 --> 00:43:16,119
I could listen to this one all day. Yeah, hit

854
00:43:16,159 --> 00:43:18,440
stuff on your table, layer, kick it out, flip it

855
00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:21,679
over for side too, and we start off with a

856
00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:23,400
banger double bass shuffle.

857
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:25,280
Speaker 3: Here we go.

858
00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:27,239
Speaker 4: This song is called Hopper Teacher.

859
00:43:45,159 --> 00:43:47,760
Speaker 3: Okay, So I'm not gonna play these songs again. Mentioned

860
00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:50,360
them when we did our original Van Haleen versus Van

861
00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:54,320
Hagar matchup. But go listen to the band Cactus and

862
00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:57,719
their song Parchment Farm. It's dead on, dead on, ye

863
00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:02,320
go look at Billy Cobbum's quadrant yep. Drums are obviously

864
00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:05,519
very similar to that there. But when you're listening to

865
00:44:05,559 --> 00:44:09,920
the very first drums snippet that doesn't sound quite rhythmic.

866
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:14,840
But as if you ever had an old car that

867
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:18,360
you had to start on a cold morning you're gonna go,

868
00:44:18,559 --> 00:44:21,320
it kind of kind of sounds similar to the way

869
00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:26,400
the car just kind of So the rumor is it's

870
00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:29,639
not actually drums, but it's the Lamborghini again and it's

871
00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:33,039
idling as it's just been started. Now. The rest of

872
00:44:33,079 --> 00:44:36,440
the rumor is is that no, it's it's Alex, and

873
00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:40,039
it's the drums are so fast and the way that

874
00:44:40,079 --> 00:44:43,880
it's going. But it's because they were electronic drums, and

875
00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:46,119
so you could program the sound, and so he was

876
00:44:46,159 --> 00:44:48,920
programming the sound of drums that he was hitting with

877
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:52,000
his hands as the same sound as drums that he

878
00:44:52,039 --> 00:44:53,840
was hitting with his feet, So you get a same

879
00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:56,880
drums sound, but all four appendages are able to be

880
00:44:57,079 --> 00:44:58,280
to be going at the same time.

881
00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:02,280
Speaker 4: I called James Buckley other day, yes, and I said, James,

882
00:45:02,320 --> 00:45:07,159
as our resident drummer expert, is Alex playing this all

883
00:45:07,199 --> 00:45:10,119
at one time in the studio? Can a person do this?

884
00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:12,840
He's like yes, he said, very hard.

885
00:45:12,639 --> 00:45:14,679
Speaker 3: All right, but you can do it right. It doesn't

886
00:45:14,679 --> 00:45:16,159
sound the same when he plays it on the drums.

887
00:45:16,199 --> 00:45:18,960
I've seen it live. So you think it's the manufacturer.

888
00:45:19,039 --> 00:45:21,320
I think that it. I think that it's probably not

889
00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:25,559
the Lambo sound, but I think that it's Alex imitating

890
00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:30,079
the idol Lambeau with reprogramming his drums. I think it's

891
00:45:30,079 --> 00:45:31,119
a combination of the tip.

892
00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:32,840
Speaker 4: Whatever you want to do in the studio is fine

893
00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:33,079
with me.

894
00:45:34,599 --> 00:45:37,599
Speaker 3: Again, we've got Eddie playing his fifty eight flying V

895
00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:40,639
and this is the beauty is he can He's moving

896
00:45:40,679 --> 00:45:43,800
between the clean sound and that heavy raunchy Again, this

897
00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:46,480
is classic Van Halen raw.

898
00:45:46,760 --> 00:45:48,880
Speaker 4: How did this only get to number fifty six?

899
00:45:49,039 --> 00:45:52,239
Speaker 3: It doesn't even make any freaking sense. The video is genius.

900
00:45:52,559 --> 00:45:55,639
The song is arguably the best one on the album

901
00:45:55,840 --> 00:45:59,239
other than the PRMC actually had some sort of impact,

902
00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:02,159
which would find hard to believe, but maybe not because

903
00:46:02,199 --> 00:46:04,400
parents were buying albums for kids, and it was this

904
00:46:04,599 --> 00:46:08,880
song that Tipper gore her Her eight year old child said, Mommy,

905
00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:11,559
why is the teacher taking off her clothes? And she

906
00:46:11,599 --> 00:46:13,639
said at that point and started paying attention. Now, when

907
00:46:13,639 --> 00:46:17,400
they play this video at the Senate hearing, they stop

908
00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:19,440
it in the middle of the like a middle of

909
00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:23,760
his guitar solo, and people laugh and collapse and they're like,

910
00:46:24,199 --> 00:46:27,559
now you're we let you people in here. It's over capacity.

911
00:46:27,639 --> 00:46:29,280
There will be no outbursts.

912
00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:33,960
Speaker 4: They played Hotford Teacher in a Senate hearing and people cheered,

913
00:46:35,480 --> 00:46:38,320
but I think though, the real story on this song

914
00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:41,000
is it's really the music video. Oh it's amazing, right,

915
00:46:41,039 --> 00:46:45,440
And so you have these child actors who are Little Dave,

916
00:46:45,559 --> 00:46:49,079
Little Eddie, Little Alex, Little Michael, and they go back

917
00:46:49,079 --> 00:46:51,639
to school and they're causing trouble and they're in class

918
00:46:52,239 --> 00:46:54,559
and then all of a sudden, Miss fez Ed comes

919
00:46:54,599 --> 00:46:58,320
out in a bikini and they're like whoa. They're like

920
00:46:58,480 --> 00:46:59,159
up and cheering.

921
00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:01,519
Speaker 3: So the guy who played Little Eddie, his name was

922
00:47:01,559 --> 00:47:04,880
Brian Hitchcock. Eddie actually gave him the little like the

923
00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:07,320
guitar that he had in the video. He gave that

924
00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:11,599
to him in twenty twenty. He sold it for fifty

925
00:47:11,639 --> 00:47:14,599
thousand dollars. In twenty twenty two, it got offered on

926
00:47:14,719 --> 00:47:17,840
eBay for two hundred and twenty thousand dollars. In twenty

927
00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:20,840
twenty three, the real guitar that Eddie played in the

928
00:47:20,920 --> 00:47:25,960
video sold for three point nine million dollars. Yeah, I

929
00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:28,239
feel like it's people taking advantage of the death of

930
00:47:28,280 --> 00:47:30,480
a rock star in this particular scenario.

931
00:47:30,599 --> 00:47:35,079
Speaker 4: But anyway, Young Michael Anthony is played by an actor

932
00:47:35,159 --> 00:47:38,639
named Yano Anaya. He played Groverdill in.

933
00:47:39,039 --> 00:47:41,119
Speaker 3: A Christmas Story I want to go tell my dad.

934
00:47:42,679 --> 00:47:47,199
Speaker 4: The little tody. Uh by the way, wait did.

935
00:47:47,199 --> 00:47:48,920
Speaker 3: Did did you? Are you gonna tell them about what

936
00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:51,920
Alex did for this kid? He made him shotgun a beer.

937
00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:56,320
Yeah yeah, twelve years old, Yeah yeah, twelve years old

938
00:47:56,400 --> 00:47:58,039
here shotgun this beer kid. Yeah.

939
00:47:58,320 --> 00:48:01,280
Speaker 4: But the director of the video, so he didn't make

940
00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:03,920
it the whole time. Basically, Pete Angelos and davidly Roth

941
00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:06,960
became too much and he had to split. But was

942
00:48:07,039 --> 00:48:09,639
said that the child actors started to take on the

943
00:48:09,679 --> 00:48:13,280
personalities of the real life guys because they're hanging with them, right, Yeah,

944
00:48:13,320 --> 00:48:16,360
And so the kid who played davidly Roth, he's, you know,

945
00:48:16,519 --> 00:48:18,960
boisterous and kind of a turd and rude, and the

946
00:48:19,079 --> 00:48:21,559
kid who's playing Eddie was kind of shy, and they

947
00:48:21,599 --> 00:48:23,000
just took on those personalities.

948
00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:26,159
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what you do as an actor, right, I guess.

949
00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:28,599
Speaker 4: Hard to tell. In the music video as they're dancing,

950
00:48:28,760 --> 00:48:32,280
they are the worst dancers. And Alex, especially the guy

951
00:48:32,320 --> 00:48:35,519
who keeps the beat for the band like it's his

952
00:48:35,719 --> 00:48:39,039
one job has to be on beat. He's always a

953
00:48:39,039 --> 00:48:42,679
half step behind in the dancing. And Michael Anthony talked

954
00:48:42,679 --> 00:48:44,920
about how right before they were filming, and Alex's like, man,

955
00:48:44,920 --> 00:48:47,719
you gotta help me. I need some help. And he's like, dude,

956
00:48:47,719 --> 00:48:49,400
you're kind of hopeless. I don't know what to tell you.

957
00:48:50,079 --> 00:48:51,199
Speaker 3: Can I sit down for this?

958
00:48:53,079 --> 00:48:56,519
Speaker 4: The choreographer for the video was the white guy from

959
00:48:56,559 --> 00:48:57,400
the beat It video.

960
00:48:57,639 --> 00:49:01,519
Speaker 3: The cameraman was the cameraman from the Texas Chainsaw Masacre movie.

961
00:49:01,559 --> 00:49:03,639
There you go? Wow?

962
00:49:06,599 --> 00:49:09,239
Speaker 4: Wait a second, man, what do you think of?

963
00:49:09,320 --> 00:49:23,719
Speaker 3: Teacher's gonna look like this year? Right? And the school

964
00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:26,239
that they shot at John Marshall High School, which was

965
00:49:26,280 --> 00:49:28,960
attended by Leonardo DiCaprio. There you go. Yeah.

966
00:49:29,039 --> 00:49:31,679
Speaker 4: They also shot the movie Fast Times at Ridgemont High,

967
00:49:31,800 --> 00:49:34,239
Nightmare and Elm Street and Pretty in Pink at this.

968
00:49:34,239 --> 00:49:36,159
Speaker 3: School back again? How about that? Wow?

969
00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:41,239
Speaker 4: It also starred Diane Rupert, who was Miss Chemistry. She

970
00:49:41,360 --> 00:49:44,159
was the nineteen eighty one Miss Canada runner up. She

971
00:49:44,199 --> 00:49:45,920
made twenty five hundred dollars for the shoot.

972
00:49:45,960 --> 00:49:46,559
Speaker 3: I bless her.

973
00:49:46,639 --> 00:49:50,880
Speaker 4: Yep, she looks fantastic. Waldo is the kid, you know,

974
00:49:50,920 --> 00:49:54,239
he's the kids getting bullied or whatever by Phil Hartman,

975
00:49:54,679 --> 00:49:56,840
by Phil Hartmon. He gets on the bus, the school

976
00:49:56,840 --> 00:50:00,280
bus with Davie Roth driving, and you have this great

977
00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:02,079
scene where the kids are throwing stuff and all of

978
00:50:02,079 --> 00:50:04,119
a sudden they're staring at this weird kid. But at

979
00:50:04,159 --> 00:50:06,079
the end of the video, David Lee Roth pulls up

980
00:50:06,079 --> 00:50:08,880
in his hot rod and Michael Anthony said Dave could

981
00:50:08,920 --> 00:50:11,639
not drive this car, like it was dangerous for him

982
00:50:11,639 --> 00:50:13,559
to drive this car. And at the end of the

983
00:50:13,599 --> 00:50:16,199
video they all climb on board and Dave peels out

984
00:50:16,360 --> 00:50:19,159
and like takes off, and the whole crew was like,

985
00:50:19,239 --> 00:50:23,360
oh my god, Dave's gonna kill these kids. Right, nothing happened,

986
00:50:23,400 --> 00:50:27,480
but yeah, Dave was not a good driver of that car. Okay,

987
00:50:27,519 --> 00:50:29,239
I've got one other thing for you on this So

988
00:50:29,320 --> 00:50:31,119
this is packed full of fun stuff. I mean, you

989
00:50:31,239 --> 00:50:34,880
got women and teachers and bikinis and kids and hot

990
00:50:34,960 --> 00:50:38,039
rods and Dave in prison for some reason. But on

991
00:50:38,079 --> 00:50:43,440
the chalkboard behind them you have numbers yep eight, fifteen, twelve,

992
00:50:43,559 --> 00:50:46,679
twenty five, nineteen eight nine twenty. And if you just

993
00:50:46,719 --> 00:50:48,800
take the letters of the alphabet and you match up

994
00:50:48,840 --> 00:50:51,559
that letter with that number, you got h O L

995
00:50:51,840 --> 00:50:54,480
Y sh I twenty.

996
00:50:54,280 --> 00:50:57,360
Speaker 3: But in reverse. But in reverse, that's in reverse, so's

997
00:50:57,760 --> 00:51:03,119
it's backwards. Holy s word yeap backwards. Yes, this one

998
00:51:03,920 --> 00:51:07,039
was released September twenty third, nineteen eighty four.

999
00:51:07,639 --> 00:51:10,719
Speaker 4: They spent two hundred thousand dollars on this music video,

1000
00:51:10,920 --> 00:51:14,039
as opposed to twenty bucks in pizza for the jump video.

1001
00:51:20,360 --> 00:51:24,480
All right, yes, next song, This song is called I'll Wait.

1002
00:51:35,079 --> 00:51:37,280
All right, So this is a really interesting story. This

1003
00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:40,159
started out as a instrumental. Eddie would hand it to

1004
00:51:40,280 --> 00:51:42,840
Dave and say, Dave come up with lyrics, and Dave

1005
00:51:42,920 --> 00:51:45,880
was tapped out. Dave had nothing. Dave couldn't make anything work,

1006
00:51:46,280 --> 00:51:48,320
and he and Ted Timbleman worked on it. They couldn't

1007
00:51:48,320 --> 00:51:50,960
get anything going, and Ted Templeman said, I've got a

1008
00:51:51,000 --> 00:51:53,320
friend who might be able to help us. His name

1009
00:51:53,559 --> 00:52:05,400
is Michael McDonald of the Doobie Brothers.

1010
00:52:07,280 --> 00:52:09,960
Speaker 3: We've talked about Michael McDonald multiple times.

1011
00:52:10,159 --> 00:52:12,639
Speaker 4: Got him last week on our Best of eighty six. Yep,

1012
00:52:12,760 --> 00:52:16,480
he's the lead singer and the unmistakable voice of the

1013
00:52:16,559 --> 00:52:17,280
Doobie Brothers.

1014
00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:20,159
Speaker 3: Right, But before we get to the Michael McDonald's story. Yes,

1015
00:52:20,480 --> 00:52:23,159
as it was still an instrumental and Eddie was pushing

1016
00:52:23,199 --> 00:52:25,760
to get something done on it, Ted Templeman didn't like it,

1017
00:52:25,840 --> 00:52:27,920
Like this is this is the the end of the

1018
00:52:28,039 --> 00:52:31,880
end for davidly Roth and Ted Templeman on one side

1019
00:52:32,320 --> 00:52:35,119
and Eddie Yeah yeah, and the rest of them. So

1020
00:52:35,199 --> 00:52:38,920
every time Eddie would play this song, Ted Templeman to

1021
00:52:39,239 --> 00:52:55,440
taunt him would hum hold your head up by Argent. Okay, so,

1022
00:52:55,599 --> 00:52:59,199
can't get any words. Sounds like an Ardent song. Yeah.

1023
00:52:59,760 --> 00:53:03,119
Speaker 4: So, so Ted Tumbleman calls his buddy Michael McDonald. They

1024
00:53:03,159 --> 00:53:05,480
go and they meet at Ted Templeman's office and it's

1025
00:53:05,519 --> 00:53:09,239
Ted Tubberman, David Lee Roth, and Michael McDonald. Michael McDonald

1026
00:53:09,280 --> 00:53:11,679
goes back, works on the song, comes up with a

1027
00:53:11,679 --> 00:53:14,760
good portion of the lyrics, including the chorus the ah wait.

1028
00:53:14,960 --> 00:53:35,880
Partner gives it back to Ted tumble doesn't give it.

1029
00:53:35,840 --> 00:53:37,880
Speaker 3: To him because the story I heard is that Ted

1030
00:53:37,960 --> 00:53:42,480
Templeman had a hidden cassette recorder at his desk and

1031
00:53:42,559 --> 00:53:45,159
Michael McDonald just came in and sang it and he

1032
00:53:45,239 --> 00:53:47,440
recorded it without letting him know that he was doing that.

1033
00:53:47,480 --> 00:53:50,000
Speaker 4: Interesting. I hadn't heard that part. Yeah, well, I do

1034
00:53:50,119 --> 00:53:53,079
know that. When the album came out, Michael McDonald's name

1035
00:53:53,159 --> 00:53:55,239
is not listed as one of the writers on this song.

1036
00:53:56,000 --> 00:53:58,599
And he's like, do these guys think I'm Santa Claus?

1037
00:53:58,679 --> 00:54:00,519
Speaker 3: Like I showed up.

1038
00:54:00,639 --> 00:54:03,400
Speaker 4: I give him this song, which by the way, was

1039
00:54:03,440 --> 00:54:05,719
the second single. It reached number thirteen on the Hot

1040
00:54:05,760 --> 00:54:08,239
one hundred with no video. Right, not bad, it's a

1041
00:54:08,280 --> 00:54:09,480
great song. I love this song.

1042
00:54:09,519 --> 00:54:10,039
Speaker 3: I love it too.

1043
00:54:10,079 --> 00:54:12,800
Speaker 4: And so he actually he calls up Ted Tumbleman. He's like,

1044
00:54:13,039 --> 00:54:15,840
you screwed me. I was your friend and you brought

1045
00:54:15,840 --> 00:54:17,519
me in and I helped you and I gave you

1046
00:54:17,519 --> 00:54:19,400
the song and you cut me out. So he actually

1047
00:54:19,400 --> 00:54:21,320
had to chase the money a little bit, sued him

1048
00:54:21,440 --> 00:54:24,320
suit them and to them and one yeah, and he said,

1049
00:54:24,400 --> 00:54:27,400
it's the most lucrative thing he's ever done in his career.

1050
00:54:27,320 --> 00:54:30,280
Speaker 3: Which is impressive because he's got a very lucrative career.

1051
00:54:30,760 --> 00:54:31,119
He said.

1052
00:54:31,159 --> 00:54:34,159
Speaker 4: The Doobie Brothers made platinum albums, he goes, but Van

1053
00:54:34,199 --> 00:54:36,119
Halen made mega platinum albums.

1054
00:54:36,199 --> 00:54:39,800
Speaker 3: Yeah. So here's the weird twist on this story. Okay,

1055
00:54:39,920 --> 00:54:42,800
this wasn't a number one. Eddie didn't know that Ted

1056
00:54:42,960 --> 00:54:45,760
had recorded the lyrics to this song, and that it

1057
00:54:45,840 --> 00:54:47,960
wasn't it wasn't David Lee Roth who had come up

1058
00:54:47,960 --> 00:54:50,280
with the lyrics. He didn't know any of this, right, Okay,

1059
00:54:50,719 --> 00:54:53,119
And with this story about the tape, recorder. It kind

1060
00:54:53,159 --> 00:54:57,079
of falls into place on that right. But back in

1061
00:54:57,159 --> 00:55:02,119
nineteen seventy seven, Eddie and Michael McDonald had cross paths before.

1062
00:55:02,599 --> 00:55:05,239
Oh I don't know this, okay. So there's a lady

1063
00:55:05,280 --> 00:55:08,440
called Nicolette Larsen and there's a song called Can't Get

1064
00:55:08,440 --> 00:55:09,079
Away from You.

1065
00:55:28,559 --> 00:55:31,199
Speaker 4: That guitar is unmistakably Eddie van Hale.

1066
00:55:31,280 --> 00:55:34,079
Speaker 3: It's obviously him, even back in nineteen seventy seven, which

1067
00:55:34,159 --> 00:55:37,199
is before their debut albums. That's before their debut album,

1068
00:55:37,239 --> 00:55:41,679
but unquestionably it's him. Michael McDonald got credit on that album. Yes,

1069
00:55:42,039 --> 00:55:47,559
Eddie Van Halen did not at all. Console Circle Crazy.

1070
00:55:47,280 --> 00:55:50,440
Speaker 4: By the way, So this song hits number thirteen on

1071
00:55:50,639 --> 00:55:54,880
June second, nineteen eighty four. I really remember Vanahlen kind

1072
00:55:54,880 --> 00:55:57,639
of owning the summer of eighty four, them and Ghostbusters

1073
00:55:57,639 --> 00:56:02,599
really and Prince Yeah. Okay, here's your top thirteen real quick.

1074
00:56:02,760 --> 00:56:03,199
Speaker 3: I'll wait.

1075
00:56:03,719 --> 00:56:07,039
Speaker 4: Number twelve Borderline by Madonna, Self Control by Laura Branigan,

1076
00:56:07,599 --> 00:56:09,599
to all the Girls I've loved before.

1077
00:56:09,360 --> 00:56:14,719
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, Leoiglecias and Willie Nelson, Break Dance, Irene Kiara Nice.

1078
00:56:14,920 --> 00:56:17,599
Speaker 4: The Heart of Rock and Roll by Huey Lewis Against

1079
00:56:17,599 --> 00:56:22,440
All Odds by Phil Collins, Sister Christian Night Ranger, The

1080
00:56:22,480 --> 00:56:26,519
Reflex by Deran Duran, Yeah, Oh Sherry by Steve Perry,

1081
00:56:27,440 --> 00:56:30,719
Hello by Lionel Ritchie, Yeah, Time after Time by Cyndi

1082
00:56:30,800 --> 00:56:33,000
Lauper and Let's hear it for the Boy from the

1083
00:56:33,039 --> 00:56:33,840
Philous soundtrack.

1084
00:56:34,000 --> 00:56:37,440
Speaker 3: Wow, what a summer man. There wasn't a skipper in

1085
00:56:37,480 --> 00:56:39,880
that whole list. All right, next song on the album

1086
00:56:39,920 --> 00:56:42,039
this is Girl Gone Bad.

1087
00:56:51,840 --> 00:56:53,960
Speaker 4: Okay, So here's the story of the creation of this song.

1088
00:56:54,199 --> 00:56:54,400
Speaker 3: Yep.

1089
00:56:54,679 --> 00:56:57,679
Speaker 4: Eddie and Valerie were on tour. They were in South America,

1090
00:56:57,880 --> 00:57:01,199
and he bolts up one night in bed, lights out,

1091
00:57:01,239 --> 00:57:04,119
she's asleep, and this song kind of comes crashing into

1092
00:57:04,159 --> 00:57:06,840
his brain, and he's like, I really could just roll

1093
00:57:06,880 --> 00:57:09,039
over and go back to sleep. He goes, but I've

1094
00:57:09,159 --> 00:57:12,360
learned that when something hits, like inspiration hits, you get

1095
00:57:12,360 --> 00:57:13,840
out of bed and you write it down and you

1096
00:57:13,880 --> 00:57:17,239
go for it. And so he goes into the closet

1097
00:57:17,440 --> 00:57:19,880
so that he doesn't wake up his wife, and he

1098
00:57:19,920 --> 00:57:21,920
gets his little tape recorder. He kind of sings into

1099
00:57:21,920 --> 00:57:44,119
the tape recorder. This song was played in nineteen eighty

1100
00:57:44,159 --> 00:57:46,360
two during the US festival.

1101
00:57:47,000 --> 00:57:49,159
Speaker 3: Yes, so we'll talk about that a little bit too. Okay.

1102
00:57:49,519 --> 00:57:51,719
Speaker 4: It was actually intended for the diver Down album.

1103
00:57:52,360 --> 00:57:55,320
Speaker 3: So this one got heavy influenced by Robert Planning. The

1104
00:57:55,360 --> 00:57:59,119
guitar got heavy, influenced by Neil part on the drums.

1105
00:57:59,320 --> 00:58:01,800
Speaker 4: There are people that love these last two songs.

1106
00:58:01,519 --> 00:58:04,960
Speaker 3: On the album. I'm not one of them, Okay.

1107
00:58:04,760 --> 00:58:07,320
Speaker 4: I'm not in love with this song or the next one.

1108
00:58:07,559 --> 00:58:10,000
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, I think I specifically said I want to

1109
00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:12,119
hear what your thoughts are on the last two songs,

1110
00:58:12,119 --> 00:58:16,400
because they are the less known songs on the album, right,

1111
00:58:16,519 --> 00:58:19,079
I will tell you listening to them, I didn't. They

1112
00:58:19,079 --> 00:58:21,639
weren't prominent in my memory. But the beauty of that

1113
00:58:21,800 --> 00:58:25,239
is I was listening to them with fresh ears. I

1114
00:58:25,239 --> 00:58:28,079
think they're really good. I think they are. I think

1115
00:58:28,760 --> 00:58:34,079
had you not just been tsunamid with this incredible album

1116
00:58:34,119 --> 00:58:37,239
worth of music, that they would be fantastic. They could

1117
00:58:37,239 --> 00:58:40,280
be singles. They're so good. But there's only nine songs

1118
00:58:40,320 --> 00:58:43,000
on the album. I mean, just some of them are

1119
00:58:43,039 --> 00:58:45,280
just gonna be the last finisher. It's hard to have

1120
00:58:45,360 --> 00:58:49,000
last finishers, right, But I still think these are incredibly

1121
00:58:49,000 --> 00:58:51,079
good songs. I think this is one of those albums

1122
00:58:51,079 --> 00:58:53,599
that is good from beginning to end. Okay, well, let's

1123
00:58:53,639 --> 00:58:55,320
listen to the last song. The last song, Let's do it.

1124
00:58:55,400 --> 00:58:57,000
Speaker 4: The song's called House of Pain.

1125
00:59:10,840 --> 00:59:11,079
Speaker 3: Okay.

1126
00:59:11,159 --> 00:59:12,679
Speaker 4: Kind of a stronger rocker right.

1127
00:59:12,559 --> 00:59:15,880
Speaker 3: Here, definitely, And like I said just a minute ago,

1128
00:59:16,000 --> 00:59:18,719
I think a strong song in any other album, but

1129
00:59:18,760 --> 00:59:21,800
there have to be less finishers. I think that the

1130
00:59:21,880 --> 00:59:25,800
impressive part. Well, there's all kinds of impressive parts about

1131
00:59:25,840 --> 00:59:29,400
this album. Of course. This album is where Templeman and

1132
00:59:29,679 --> 00:59:33,920
David Lee Roth are truly splitting off. It's going like this,

1133
00:59:34,199 --> 00:59:36,679
it's going like that and going that way fast. And

1134
00:59:36,679 --> 00:59:38,599
as a matter of fact, you know, I talked about

1135
00:59:38,599 --> 00:59:41,079
the studio fifty one to fifty studio being built, and

1136
00:59:41,119 --> 00:59:43,639
the beauty of that for Eddie was that he had

1137
00:59:43,679 --> 00:59:45,800
so much control over what he was doing. Well, Ted

1138
00:59:45,840 --> 00:59:48,679
Timpleman would keep showing up at the fifty one fifty

1139
00:59:48,760 --> 00:59:52,679
fifty studio so that he could produce and mix these

1140
00:59:53,320 --> 00:59:56,639
tracks that they had laid down, and Eddie'd be like,

1141
00:59:57,280 --> 00:59:59,480
don's got them. I don't know where he is, not

1142
00:59:59,519 --> 01:00:02,239
sure where he He's right there, he's behind him.

1143
01:00:04,239 --> 01:00:06,519
Speaker 4: It's just Ted's coming go hide.

1144
01:00:06,639 --> 01:00:11,199
Speaker 3: Yeah, hide the pullhouse. So Ted Templeman has the backups.

1145
01:00:11,480 --> 01:00:14,719
They had the backup originals. Right, he's basically second copy, right,

1146
01:00:14,840 --> 01:00:17,039
or first copy if you will. But that's not as

1147
01:00:17,119 --> 01:00:20,599
good as the original. Right. But in a panic because

1148
01:00:20,599 --> 01:00:23,199
he keeps running into brick walls with Eddie and Don,

1149
01:00:23,440 --> 01:00:28,480
he goes and mixes these secondhand pieces. Yes, as he's finishing,

1150
01:00:28,679 --> 01:00:30,679
Don shows up and he goes, here you go, here's

1151
01:00:30,719 --> 01:00:34,679
the mixed here's the mixed masters. Yes. And the question

1152
01:00:34,880 --> 01:00:37,519
is how much of what Don did versus how much

1153
01:00:37,559 --> 01:00:39,960
of what Ted did ended up On the end of

1154
01:00:40,000 --> 01:00:40,559
the album.

1155
01:00:41,119 --> 01:00:43,199
Speaker 4: I saw a quote from David ly Roth who said

1156
01:00:43,320 --> 01:00:45,360
Ted really didn't do very much on this album.

1157
01:00:45,400 --> 01:00:47,360
Speaker 3: He not only said Ted didn't do much on this album,

1158
01:00:47,400 --> 01:00:49,519
he said Ted didn't do much on any of the albums.

1159
01:00:49,519 --> 01:00:52,400
He was like, we kind of realized early on Ted

1160
01:00:52,480 --> 01:00:54,599
has these things that he can do for us, and

1161
01:00:54,599 --> 01:00:57,199
we are loyal to him, but we're the ones who

1162
01:00:57,239 --> 01:01:00,639
have produced almost all of these albums. And it's in

1163
01:01:00,719 --> 01:01:03,719
his mind no question that Don Landy and Eddie van

1164
01:01:03,760 --> 01:01:06,159
Halen were the ones that made the mixes that we

1165
01:01:06,280 --> 01:01:07,400
hear on this album.

1166
01:01:07,719 --> 01:01:09,880
Speaker 4: To me, this is one of the interesting stories that

1167
01:01:09,920 --> 01:01:13,199
I had not heard before that basically, Eddie and Don

1168
01:01:13,440 --> 01:01:16,920
had kidnapped these Master tapes and we're holding them ransom.

1169
01:01:17,320 --> 01:01:20,119
It wasn't just that guys, leave us alone, we're working

1170
01:01:20,159 --> 01:01:23,760
on this. It was Don threatening to burn the Masters

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01:01:24,000 --> 01:01:26,440
if Ted and Dave did not leave them alone.

1172
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Speaker 3: And when we're saying this is the split, Ted Templeman

1173
01:01:29,639 --> 01:01:31,440
and Eddie van Halen got in a fist fight over there,

1174
01:01:32,519 --> 01:01:35,840
a physical fist fight over this. I don't know how

1175
01:01:35,880 --> 01:01:38,039
that's not the end of a relationship. You're either best

1176
01:01:38,039 --> 01:01:40,360
friends after that or you never talked to each other again.

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And in this situation, I think it was we're done. Yeah.

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01:01:44,280 --> 01:01:47,400
Speaker 4: Don Landy actually kidnaps the Masters for fifty one to

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01:01:47,400 --> 01:01:50,360
fifty and holds them from Mick Jones in a couple

1180
01:01:50,360 --> 01:01:51,559
of years, which we'll talk.

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01:01:51,440 --> 01:01:52,960
Speaker 3: About yeah, next episode.

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Speaker 4: By the way, Valerie Bertinelli was kind of in the middle.

1183
01:01:56,559 --> 01:01:56,960
Speaker 3: Uh huh.

1184
01:01:56,960 --> 01:01:58,960
Speaker 4: She actually went to Ted and said, you got to

1185
01:01:59,000 --> 01:01:59,639
talk to Eddie.

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01:02:00,000 --> 01:02:01,960
Speaker 3: They're in there doing blow and drink day back, all

1187
01:02:02,039 --> 01:02:03,320
day long, for days.

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Speaker 4: Anyway, Don walks in at the last minute and can

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you just imagine sitting there steaming, going.

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Speaker 3: I've just spent all of these hours mixing this, and

1191
01:02:11,960 --> 01:02:14,639
you're bringing me this after hiding it from me. No

1192
01:02:14,719 --> 01:02:17,960
wonder fist flew Yeah, no question. Okay, a couple of

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01:02:18,000 --> 01:02:20,639
things before we leave. Number one, Eddie says there were

1194
01:02:20,639 --> 01:02:22,639
thirteen songs that he had for this album, which is

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01:02:22,920 --> 01:02:26,559
four so what I know or what the rumors are.

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01:02:27,360 --> 01:02:30,079
One of the songs was called any Time Anyplace. One

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01:02:30,079 --> 01:02:32,199
of the songs was called Eat Thy Neighbor, one of

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01:02:32,239 --> 01:02:34,719
the songs was called Baritone Slide, and one of the

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songs was called Lie to You Now. If there were thirteen,

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01:02:37,880 --> 01:02:40,519
or maybe it was fourteen or fifteen, just depends. The

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01:02:40,559 --> 01:02:44,519
one that is most likely was a cover of in

1202
01:02:44,559 --> 01:02:47,880
the Midnight Hour that no one is ever outside of

1203
01:02:47,880 --> 01:02:50,159
that small little circle in the catalog, no one has

1204
01:02:50,159 --> 01:02:50,519
ever heard.

1205
01:02:50,599 --> 01:02:53,280
Speaker 4: That is rumored to have been the very first song

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01:02:53,360 --> 01:02:55,559
recorded at fifty one to fifty studios.

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01:02:55,840 --> 01:02:56,599
Speaker 3: So there you go.

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01:02:56,679 --> 01:02:58,760
Speaker 4: Hey, you know you mentioned in the Midnight Hour. Eddie

1209
01:02:58,840 --> 01:03:03,079
wanted it on the album, Dave reportedly vetoed it. Dave

1210
01:03:03,159 --> 01:03:06,480
wanted just to Jigglow on the nineteen eighty four album Yeah,

1211
01:03:06,519 --> 01:03:10,280
and Eddie's like nope, So guess what it shows up

1212
01:03:10,320 --> 01:03:11,400
on Eat him and a smile.

1213
01:03:11,519 --> 01:03:14,320
Speaker 3: There you go. Okay, So a prequel to all of this,

1214
01:03:14,639 --> 01:03:17,280
they've ended the diver down tour, and you can go

1215
01:03:17,360 --> 01:03:19,480
back and listen to our original Van Halen Versus Van

1216
01:03:19,519 --> 01:03:24,559
Hagar episode to hear about Dave and the jungle squad

1217
01:03:24,599 --> 01:03:28,440
that he had that stayed down in Argentina on safaris

1218
01:03:28,480 --> 01:03:31,400
on the river. Yeah. But in the midst of all

1219
01:03:31,400 --> 01:03:33,440
of that, and all the other guys go home, in

1220
01:03:33,480 --> 01:03:35,519
the midst of all of that, Dave gets a phone

1221
01:03:35,519 --> 01:03:38,639
call somehow you have to come back. We have a show.

1222
01:03:38,719 --> 01:03:39,679
I don't want to do a show.

1223
01:03:39,880 --> 01:03:39,960
Speaker 1: Right.

1224
01:03:40,679 --> 01:03:44,559
Speaker 3: They're going to pay us one million dollars for a

1225
01:03:44,639 --> 01:03:49,199
ninety minute set one point five Ah, this is where

1226
01:03:49,199 --> 01:03:53,280
I blow your mind. Okay. The original offer was one

1227
01:03:53,400 --> 01:03:56,440
million dollars, which would have made them the highest paid

1228
01:03:56,440 --> 01:03:59,440
band at that point. And we know from our last

1229
01:03:59,440 --> 01:04:02,440
episode that they had a world record as the highest

1230
01:04:02,440 --> 01:04:06,119
paid band, right right, Okay, So when they signed the contract.

1231
01:04:06,199 --> 01:04:08,960
The contract Steve Wosniak is the guy putting this together.

1232
01:04:09,000 --> 01:04:12,039
This is the US Festival Part two, nine months after

1233
01:04:12,079 --> 01:04:15,320
the US Festival Part one. He really wants Van Haleen.

1234
01:04:15,679 --> 01:04:18,719
He offers them a million dollars. They say, okay, we'll

1235
01:04:18,719 --> 01:04:21,079
do it, but we want It's called a favored nation

1236
01:04:21,239 --> 01:04:23,719
clause in there where if any other band that you

1237
01:04:23,800 --> 01:04:26,440
have that you come in after us gets paid more,

1238
01:04:26,519 --> 01:04:28,719
we get matched. We're not going to be paid less

1239
01:04:28,760 --> 01:04:32,079
than somebody else. Right, Well, this is Steve Wosniak, co

1240
01:04:32,159 --> 01:04:35,000
founder of Apple Computers. Yeah, a few bucks, he's got

1241
01:04:35,039 --> 01:04:37,280
a little bit of money, yes, And he calls up

1242
01:04:37,320 --> 01:04:40,119
his producer and says, I would really like to have

1243
01:04:40,199 --> 01:04:42,960
David Bowie play. And his producer's like, we all already

1244
01:04:42,960 --> 01:04:46,559
have a full gig, but I love David Bowie. He's like,

1245
01:04:46,760 --> 01:04:52,360
there's no room. He goes, it's my money, make room buster.

1246
01:04:52,519 --> 01:04:54,920
So John Cougar mellencap when he finds out what everybody

1247
01:04:54,920 --> 01:04:57,119
else is getting paid, he's like, I'm out. I'm not

1248
01:04:57,360 --> 01:05:00,280
doing this. So a space opens up. They move Joe

1249
01:05:00,280 --> 01:05:03,159
Walsh around. You know, they've got the heavy metal day

1250
01:05:03,199 --> 01:05:05,079
and they've got the hard rock day or the rock day,

1251
01:05:05,119 --> 01:05:07,880
and so they move some around and so David Bowie

1252
01:05:07,960 --> 01:05:10,760
gets to come play. Now David Bowie's in the middle

1253
01:05:10,760 --> 01:05:13,480
of a tour. He's going to charge them seven hundred

1254
01:05:13,480 --> 01:05:15,760
and fifty thousand dollars to appear. But it's going to

1255
01:05:15,800 --> 01:05:18,679
be another additional seven hundred and fifty thousand dollars to

1256
01:05:18,719 --> 01:05:21,800
fly him and all of his band and all of

1257
01:05:21,840 --> 01:05:25,760
the equipment and stuff into cause he's in Europe over

1258
01:05:25,840 --> 01:05:29,480
to California for all of this, which means that effectively

1259
01:05:29,639 --> 01:05:33,320
they are paying David Bowie one point five million dollars. Well,

1260
01:05:33,480 --> 01:05:36,440
Van Halen hears about this and says, hey, favorite nation

1261
01:05:36,559 --> 01:05:39,880
clause to change and chain we get one point five

1262
01:05:39,920 --> 01:05:42,760
million is where you get this price increase. Right Now,

1263
01:05:42,840 --> 01:05:45,559
here's a quick side story on that David Bowie only

1264
01:05:45,559 --> 01:05:51,199
played his musicians about three hundred bucks show Oh my gosh, right, okay,

1265
01:05:51,360 --> 01:05:55,599
anducks three hundred bucks. And this is his Let's Dance tour.

1266
01:05:55,639 --> 01:05:58,360
This is his big like his big commercial success of

1267
01:05:58,400 --> 01:06:01,719
the eighties. Right. And one of the guys that says

1268
01:06:01,920 --> 01:06:03,559
I don't really want to fly to California for three

1269
01:06:03,639 --> 01:06:06,840
hundred bucks is his new guitarist that he's just picked up.

1270
01:06:07,159 --> 01:06:10,760
Found him at a Montrose jazz festival in nineteen eighty two.

1271
01:06:11,280 --> 01:06:13,400
But that guy is like, you know what, let somebody

1272
01:06:13,440 --> 01:06:17,199
else play my solo. Okay, yeah, you're wondering who it is. Yes, Yeah,

1273
01:06:17,679 --> 01:06:20,800
as I said, he discovered him. We've talked about him before.

1274
01:06:21,559 --> 01:06:24,320
I can tell you that when he performed where on

1275
01:06:24,360 --> 01:06:26,159
most of these songs in the album, and when he

1276
01:06:26,159 --> 01:06:29,440
would perform it live, he probably played a guitar that

1277
01:06:29,480 --> 01:06:32,400
had been owned by Christopher Cross just before he got it.

1278
01:06:32,719 --> 01:06:39,239
Stevie Rayvaughn, Yeah, I had no idea. Stee Ravaughn discovered

1279
01:06:39,280 --> 01:06:42,519
by David Bowie in nineteen eighty two, has him play

1280
01:06:42,599 --> 01:06:46,440
guitar on like three quarters of the songs on Let's

1281
01:06:46,519 --> 01:06:50,960
Dance and is his touring guitarist before anybody knows who's

1282
01:06:50,960 --> 01:06:55,480
Stevie Rayvon. Wow, how about that? That's fantastic. Yeah. Now

1283
01:06:55,559 --> 01:06:57,519
the thing is is we're like, okay, well both of

1284
01:06:57,559 --> 01:07:00,519
them got paid one point five million. How did how

1285
01:07:00,519 --> 01:07:04,000
did van Halen get the world record for highest paid ban? Well?

1286
01:07:04,119 --> 01:07:07,239
Number one? It's because van Halen's pr guy was like, hey,

1287
01:07:07,519 --> 01:07:10,519
world record the highest paid ban. He's calling him Guinness

1288
01:07:10,559 --> 01:07:13,119
right that they divt it up. One was highest paid ban,

1289
01:07:13,400 --> 01:07:16,199
one was highest paid individual performer. It's just that van

1290
01:07:16,239 --> 01:07:18,960
Halen got a lot more notoriety at that time than

1291
01:07:19,079 --> 01:07:20,239
David Bowie was getting.

1292
01:07:20,719 --> 01:07:23,079
Speaker 4: Well, and the clash got super mad.

1293
01:07:24,320 --> 01:07:26,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, they were back and forth with each other and

1294
01:07:26,400 --> 01:07:29,159
they were constantly I mean, and David Lee Roth, you

1295
01:07:29,199 --> 01:07:31,559
talk about Jack Daniels, He gets a bottle of jack

1296
01:07:31,599 --> 01:07:33,719
drinks it on stage and he goes, I gotta let

1297
01:07:33,760 --> 01:07:36,639
you guys know this is real Jack Daniels. I the

1298
01:07:36,639 --> 01:07:39,400
only guys who put iced tea in their Jack Daniels bottler.

1299
01:07:39,440 --> 01:07:42,599
That the Clash because they kept on and on about

1300
01:07:42,599 --> 01:07:45,519
the commercialization of rock music. They're trying to keep it pure,

1301
01:07:45,599 --> 01:07:47,920
and they're out there like, you're selling yourselves. This is

1302
01:07:48,000 --> 01:07:51,239
the American way. And so what did the concert promoters do.

1303
01:07:51,599 --> 01:07:55,000
They put a picture of the check that the Clash

1304
01:07:55,079 --> 01:07:58,119
is getting for half a million dollars and it's like, yeah,

1305
01:07:58,159 --> 01:08:00,400
these guys are talking out both sides of the mouth

1306
01:08:00,440 --> 01:08:03,159
right now because they just got paid a lot of that.

1307
01:08:03,159 --> 01:08:03,920
That's right. Yeah.

1308
01:08:04,000 --> 01:08:07,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, there were some interesting things back and forth between

1309
01:08:07,119 --> 01:08:09,719
Dave and the Clash that was a lot of fun.

1310
01:08:10,159 --> 01:08:13,320
Before we go, you mentioned that we lost Eddie van

1311
01:08:13,320 --> 01:08:15,719
Halen a few years ago. The cover of this album

1312
01:08:15,800 --> 01:08:19,960
is very iconic. Yes, it has the angel smoking a cigarette.

1313
01:08:19,960 --> 01:08:22,279
It's a little cherub. So they needed a cover for

1314
01:08:22,279 --> 01:08:23,600
the album and they were looking at a bunch of

1315
01:08:23,640 --> 01:08:26,800
portfolios from different artists, and they came across Margo Najas

1316
01:08:27,079 --> 01:08:29,239
and they said, oh, we love your work. We want

1317
01:08:29,239 --> 01:08:31,000
you to do something for us. We want a bunch

1318
01:08:31,079 --> 01:08:35,239
of chrome women scantily clad. And she's like, no, I'm

1319
01:08:35,279 --> 01:08:37,920
not doing that, no, right, and so they said, okay, well,

1320
01:08:37,960 --> 01:08:40,840
let's look at your portfolio. And so they came across

1321
01:08:40,880 --> 01:08:44,760
this picture of a cherub who is smoking a cigarette,

1322
01:08:44,800 --> 01:08:47,840
and they thought, that's it. That's our image. That's the one.

1323
01:08:48,119 --> 01:08:51,399
She did not sell them that image. She rented it

1324
01:08:51,439 --> 01:08:55,960
to them. Oh so they never obtained like possession of that,

1325
01:08:57,199 --> 01:09:01,760
which is interesting. When Eddie died, she posted a picture.

1326
01:09:02,000 --> 01:09:05,039
It's that picture, but rather than smoking a cigarette, the

1327
01:09:05,159 --> 01:09:10,039
cherub is crying, which I thought was kind of a sweet,

1328
01:09:10,119 --> 01:09:12,239
a neat thing on the day of his death.

1329
01:09:12,520 --> 01:09:14,960
Speaker 3: That, by the way, is the only painting that she

1330
01:09:15,079 --> 01:09:17,560
did not do as a hired work that was in

1331
01:09:17,600 --> 01:09:20,159
her portfolio. This was something that she did. It was

1332
01:09:20,199 --> 01:09:24,239
a painting of her friend's kid smoking candy cigarettes. His

1333
01:09:24,359 --> 01:09:25,239
name was carter Helm.

1334
01:09:25,319 --> 01:09:28,159
Speaker 4: Carter Helm somewhere carter Helm is out there, like you know.

1335
01:09:28,239 --> 01:09:29,760
The nineteen eighty four album that's me.

1336
01:09:30,439 --> 01:09:33,720
Speaker 3: So do you know who her husband is? He's a

1337
01:09:33,800 --> 01:09:37,720
director right, Well, he's also an artist. His name is

1338
01:09:37,840 --> 01:09:43,439
Jay Vegan Vigo Ink. He that same year designed the

1339
01:09:43,520 --> 01:09:48,720
lettering for Purple Rain Boom. That's awesome. Where else you

1340
01:09:48,760 --> 01:09:51,720
going to get this kind of information, folks, fantastic guys.

1341
01:09:51,760 --> 01:09:54,960
Come back and see us next week. Don't forget to subscribe,

1342
01:09:55,000 --> 01:09:57,119
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01:09:57,119 --> 01:10:00,119
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01:10:00,159 --> 01:10:02,640
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01:10:06,119 --> 01:10:08,680
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01:10:13,960 --> 01:10:17,439
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1350
01:10:17,439 --> 01:10:19,680
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1351
01:10:19,720 --> 01:10:22,800
will be covering next album after this with a brand

1352
01:10:23,119 --> 01:10:26,359
spankin new lead singer named Sammy Agar. That album is

1353
01:10:26,399 --> 01:10:27,720
called fifty one fifteen.

1354
01:10:28,239 --> 01:10:31,800
Speaker 4: Come back next week, guys, You guys,