WEBVTT

1
00:00:09.640 --> 00:00:12.960
<v Speaker 1>You're traveling through another dimension, a dimension not only of

2
00:00:13.080 --> 00:00:15.919
<v Speaker 1>sight and sound, but of mind, a journey into a

3
00:00:16.000 --> 00:00:18.440
<v Speaker 1>wondrous land whose boundaries are that of imagination.

4
00:00:18.879 --> 00:00:21.039
<v Speaker 2>That's the sign post up ahead your next snap. The

5
00:00:21.120 --> 00:00:21.760
<v Speaker 2>Twilight's on.

6
00:00:40.200 --> 00:00:43.039
<v Speaker 3>Last time on the Twilight Zone Podcast, we gave you

7
00:00:43.079 --> 00:00:48.439
<v Speaker 3>a glimpse behind the curtain on Sailing First twenty twenty five,

8
00:00:49.039 --> 00:00:51.880
<v Speaker 3>and tonight we're going to continue that journey. But before

9
00:00:51.920 --> 00:00:54.880
<v Speaker 3>we do, we're going to have a conversation with the

10
00:00:55.000 --> 00:00:58.600
<v Speaker 3>man who brought you these conversations, and that is my

11
00:00:58.719 --> 00:01:04.159
<v Speaker 3>good friend, Chad Ellis Boykin, the publisher at job A

12
00:01:04.200 --> 00:01:08.120
<v Speaker 3>House Press. Chad, welcome back to the Twilight Zone Podcast.

13
00:01:08.560 --> 00:01:10.640
<v Speaker 2>Fantastic to be here. Thanks for having me.

14
00:01:10.640 --> 00:01:14.200
<v Speaker 3>Back, Chad. I think last time you were on the show,

15
00:01:14.200 --> 00:01:17.879
<v Speaker 3>we were probably talking about The Twilight Zone IIQ, which

16
00:01:17.879 --> 00:01:21.799
<v Speaker 3>you wrote, and it's an absolutely beautiful book. I think

17
00:01:21.799 --> 00:01:25.640
<v Speaker 3>the layout and design of it is absolutely gorgeous, and

18
00:01:25.719 --> 00:01:31.040
<v Speaker 3>of course I was mentally grateful to be asked to

19
00:01:31.120 --> 00:01:34.799
<v Speaker 3>do the audiobook version, which is out there right now.

20
00:01:34.879 --> 00:01:39.239
<v Speaker 3>So how's things with, you know, the whole publishing weld.

21
00:01:39.359 --> 00:01:42.200
<v Speaker 3>You know, you published that book house the response been

22
00:01:42.280 --> 00:01:42.840
<v Speaker 3>to it.

23
00:01:43.159 --> 00:01:45.519
<v Speaker 2>So far, so good. You know, I read something recently

24
00:01:45.560 --> 00:01:50.640
<v Speaker 2>someone said there's never been it's never been easier to publish,

25
00:01:50.799 --> 00:01:54.920
<v Speaker 2>but it's also never been harder to sell, which there's

26
00:01:54.920 --> 00:01:57.480
<v Speaker 2>so much content out there, There's so much great stuff.

27
00:01:58.359 --> 00:02:00.760
<v Speaker 2>That's that's the challenge is just sort of getting it

28
00:02:01.439 --> 00:02:04.519
<v Speaker 2>getting it out there. So it's kind of like that

29
00:02:04.560 --> 00:02:06.560
<v Speaker 2>the best of the best of times and the worst

30
00:02:06.560 --> 00:02:09.479
<v Speaker 2>of times too. But it's been a real fun journey,

31
00:02:09.599 --> 00:02:12.599
<v Speaker 2>especially being able to do things like sirling Fest and

32
00:02:13.719 --> 00:02:16.199
<v Speaker 2>did a couple of book fairs recently and that went

33
00:02:16.280 --> 00:02:18.960
<v Speaker 2>really well. So I think that it's really a process

34
00:02:18.960 --> 00:02:22.800
<v Speaker 2>of just getting in front of people, especially when you know,

35
00:02:23.000 --> 00:02:25.879
<v Speaker 2>my buddy Chris, who did the audio for these recordings,

36
00:02:26.439 --> 00:02:29.280
<v Speaker 2>are sort of sound engineer. He said, you know, it's

37
00:02:29.319 --> 00:02:33.000
<v Speaker 2>hard enough to start a publishing company, and even harder

38
00:02:33.000 --> 00:02:36.280
<v Speaker 2>than that is starting a publishing company that specializes in

39
00:02:36.400 --> 00:02:39.960
<v Speaker 2>niche books, and you started a publishing company that's niches

40
00:02:40.080 --> 00:02:44.319
<v Speaker 2>within niches, right, So it's like he said, you've done

41
00:02:44.319 --> 00:02:46.039
<v Speaker 2>the hardest thing that you could possibly do, And I

42
00:02:46.240 --> 00:02:47.960
<v Speaker 2>didn't really think of it that way. But it's really

43
00:02:47.960 --> 00:02:50.520
<v Speaker 2>been fun. It's it's really I'm sure it's a lot

44
00:02:50.560 --> 00:02:52.479
<v Speaker 2>like the podcast. It's like a lot of work, but

45
00:02:52.520 --> 00:02:55.360
<v Speaker 2>it's something that feels really good to be able to

46
00:02:55.400 --> 00:02:58.719
<v Speaker 2>create something and to when when you get that right

47
00:02:58.800 --> 00:03:00.840
<v Speaker 2>audience or when you get those right people who are

48
00:03:00.840 --> 00:03:03.400
<v Speaker 2>who understand it and think, oh wow, this is really

49
00:03:03.439 --> 00:03:07.400
<v Speaker 2>something that I'm glad exists and I'm glad to have it. Really,

50
00:03:07.919 --> 00:03:09.479
<v Speaker 2>that's really what makes it all worth it.

51
00:03:10.039 --> 00:03:12.680
<v Speaker 3>I Mean you mentioned it there that you know, people

52
00:03:12.680 --> 00:03:15.840
<v Speaker 3>say you can publish anything now, and maybe that is true,

53
00:03:16.759 --> 00:03:22.960
<v Speaker 3>but to publish something with a sense of quality about it.

54
00:03:24.080 --> 00:03:27.560
<v Speaker 3>Sometimes you get something and it just feels like it's

55
00:03:27.599 --> 00:03:30.680
<v Speaker 3>it's just not quite right. But the Twilight Zone Hikup

56
00:03:30.840 --> 00:03:31.960
<v Speaker 3>was a beautiful book.

57
00:03:32.319 --> 00:03:32.560
<v Speaker 2>You know.

58
00:03:32.599 --> 00:03:36.319
<v Speaker 3>The layout that you used with the hikups on the

59
00:03:36.400 --> 00:03:40.759
<v Speaker 3>pages was just absolutely so in tune with what that

60
00:03:40.840 --> 00:03:45.879
<v Speaker 3>book should be that I think you really did great

61
00:03:45.919 --> 00:03:49.319
<v Speaker 3>work there. But that was the first Twilight Zone book

62
00:03:49.360 --> 00:03:53.319
<v Speaker 3>that you've published. What's next, What's coming out next?

63
00:03:54.240 --> 00:03:58.240
<v Speaker 2>Well, what's next is we we just released the Twilight Rounds,

64
00:03:58.360 --> 00:04:01.800
<v Speaker 2>which is at first just became aware of that in

65
00:04:01.879 --> 00:04:04.719
<v Speaker 2>twenty nineteen, I think on the or maybe twenty twenty,

66
00:04:04.759 --> 00:04:08.120
<v Speaker 2>when the Sarling Fest was online. Because of COVID, and

67
00:04:08.199 --> 00:04:11.400
<v Speaker 2>I saw that one of the Raffle prizes that was

68
00:04:11.919 --> 00:04:15.240
<v Speaker 2>being done was this book all about Rod Serling's experience

69
00:04:15.319 --> 00:04:19.079
<v Speaker 2>and his boxing related writing, which I was familiar with

70
00:04:19.399 --> 00:04:22.160
<v Speaker 2>the Twilight Zone episodes, but I didn't know about all

71
00:04:22.240 --> 00:04:25.480
<v Speaker 2>the backstory. I didn't know that he'd had experience as

72
00:04:25.519 --> 00:04:28.040
<v Speaker 2>a boxer at the time. And that's Chris Benedict's book.

73
00:04:28.360 --> 00:04:31.160
<v Speaker 2>So we just released that in time for Surling Fest,

74
00:04:31.800 --> 00:04:34.079
<v Speaker 2>and we really put a lot of work into making

75
00:04:34.120 --> 00:04:37.959
<v Speaker 2>that the best that it could be, and Benedict got

76
00:04:38.000 --> 00:04:44.040
<v Speaker 2>some great some great forwards done by some really real

77
00:04:44.120 --> 00:04:46.879
<v Speaker 2>heavyweights both in the boxing and in the Surling and

78
00:04:46.920 --> 00:04:49.639
<v Speaker 2>Twilight Zone world, and we got the cover art by

79
00:04:49.680 --> 00:04:53.040
<v Speaker 2>Korn Shadney. So we really hustled to get that ready

80
00:04:53.040 --> 00:04:56.759
<v Speaker 2>for Serling Fest to have that ready. So that's what's

81
00:04:57.759 --> 00:04:59.800
<v Speaker 2>that's what's new, and it's hard to believe it's been

82
00:04:59.800 --> 00:05:02.480
<v Speaker 2>a couple of months already. So now we're working on

83
00:05:02.519 --> 00:05:05.399
<v Speaker 2>some other projects. We're working on sort of a Kaiju

84
00:05:05.439 --> 00:05:07.519
<v Speaker 2>hai Ku book and then a book down the road

85
00:05:07.560 --> 00:05:11.079
<v Speaker 2>about the links between Kaiju cinema and the world of

86
00:05:11.160 --> 00:05:16.639
<v Speaker 2>pro wrestling. So when I say Niche within Niche we're

87
00:05:16.639 --> 00:05:18.560
<v Speaker 2>definitely still doing that, but it was an honor to

88
00:05:18.560 --> 00:05:21.079
<v Speaker 2>work with him on that project, and it was wonderful

89
00:05:21.160 --> 00:05:23.199
<v Speaker 2>to have that ready for serling Fest and be able

90
00:05:23.240 --> 00:05:26.680
<v Speaker 2>to get that in front of people. And I appreciate

91
00:05:26.720 --> 00:05:30.319
<v Speaker 2>your statements about the layout and the layout of the

92
00:05:30.360 --> 00:05:33.160
<v Speaker 2>Haikup to Twilet It's ow Hi Kup book, because one

93
00:05:33.160 --> 00:05:35.319
<v Speaker 2>of the things I learned this year at surling Fest

94
00:05:35.439 --> 00:05:38.920
<v Speaker 2>was when this I think was Joseph Doherty, he had

95
00:05:38.920 --> 00:05:41.959
<v Speaker 2>said when he was reviewing Serling scripts, there was a

96
00:05:42.000 --> 00:05:44.079
<v Speaker 2>lot of white space on the page, that he did

97
00:05:44.079 --> 00:05:46.720
<v Speaker 2>that intentionally because there's all these notes in the margins

98
00:05:46.759 --> 00:05:49.759
<v Speaker 2>and these were like, these scripts were living documents, and

99
00:05:49.800 --> 00:05:51.879
<v Speaker 2>I think having all that white space on the page

100
00:05:51.959 --> 00:05:57.399
<v Speaker 2>really unintentionally or unknowingly really dovetailed with what Serling actually

101
00:05:57.399 --> 00:06:00.920
<v Speaker 2>did with the scripts, which was really cool. Cool thing.

102
00:06:00.959 --> 00:06:04.399
<v Speaker 3>I mean, just to go to the Twilight Rounds for

103
00:06:04.439 --> 00:06:07.920
<v Speaker 3>a moment, because Chris Benedict, he's not just a Twilight

104
00:06:08.480 --> 00:06:13.240
<v Speaker 3>Zone fan, but he is like a proper boxing kind

105
00:06:13.240 --> 00:06:17.079
<v Speaker 3>of efficionado. He knows the sport inside and out, to

106
00:06:17.199 --> 00:06:22.000
<v Speaker 3>the two things kind of dovetail together beautifully. But you

107
00:06:22.160 --> 00:06:24.399
<v Speaker 3>really kind of pulled the stops out with this one,

108
00:06:24.480 --> 00:06:29.480
<v Speaker 3>because you know, Koran Shad Me a fantastic artist. I

109
00:06:29.519 --> 00:06:32.399
<v Speaker 3>love his Rod Sailing book. He's been on the show

110
00:06:32.680 --> 00:06:35.040
<v Speaker 3>a while ago, you know, met him a couple of times.

111
00:06:35.519 --> 00:06:39.480
<v Speaker 3>Really great guy. But not only is it like it

112
00:06:39.680 --> 00:06:44.160
<v Speaker 3>just a beautiful product with the Koran Shadmy cover, But

113
00:06:45.160 --> 00:06:47.279
<v Speaker 3>I don't think it's any secret that at the moment

114
00:06:47.360 --> 00:06:50.160
<v Speaker 3>I'm working on the audiobook version, and I thank you

115
00:06:50.199 --> 00:06:54.160
<v Speaker 3>for that inviting me to do it. This just seems

116
00:06:54.199 --> 00:06:58.680
<v Speaker 3>like a really great melding of people who have all

117
00:06:58.759 --> 00:07:03.759
<v Speaker 3>kind of come together in this modern kind of Twilight

118
00:07:03.839 --> 00:07:07.639
<v Speaker 3>Zone world. You've got you know, yourself as the publisher.

119
00:07:07.680 --> 00:07:10.959
<v Speaker 3>You've got Chris as the writer, Koren shod Me doing

120
00:07:11.000 --> 00:07:16.079
<v Speaker 3>the cover. You've got Uncommon Nasa, who is a great

121
00:07:16.120 --> 00:07:19.399
<v Speaker 3>friend of the show, a great friend of mine, doing

122
00:07:19.759 --> 00:07:22.800
<v Speaker 3>the kind of intro and outro music to the audio book.

123
00:07:22.839 --> 00:07:27.800
<v Speaker 3>And then you know, gratefully, I am doing the audiobook myself.

124
00:07:27.879 --> 00:07:32.519
<v Speaker 3>So I think it's it's just a wonderful testament to

125
00:07:32.680 --> 00:07:38.079
<v Speaker 3>how Rod Serling's work just keeps inspiring people and keeps

126
00:07:38.120 --> 00:07:40.519
<v Speaker 3>bringing people together, you know, oh.

127
00:07:40.399 --> 00:07:43.079
<v Speaker 2>One hundred percent, And like if if you can't get

128
00:07:43.160 --> 00:07:45.879
<v Speaker 2>Rod Serling to read the book. Then then you got

129
00:07:45.879 --> 00:07:48.399
<v Speaker 2>to get Tom Elliott because I really you really have

130
00:07:48.519 --> 00:07:52.800
<v Speaker 2>become the voice, the modern voice of this. And to

131
00:07:52.839 --> 00:07:55.399
<v Speaker 2>be able to get NASA on the project too is

132
00:07:55.959 --> 00:07:59.920
<v Speaker 2>just a real, real, incredible get. He actually had a

133
00:08:00.279 --> 00:08:03.319
<v Speaker 2>I think a CD of Twilight is Own inspired music

134
00:08:03.360 --> 00:08:04.040
<v Speaker 2>a few years ago.

135
00:08:04.040 --> 00:08:05.439
<v Speaker 3>I think Minke swimming Pools.

136
00:08:05.519 --> 00:08:09.279
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, Minke swimming Pools. And so having him attached

137
00:08:09.360 --> 00:08:12.120
<v Speaker 2>is just amazing. And I think the work, the song

138
00:08:12.160 --> 00:08:14.000
<v Speaker 2>that we were able to work with him to get

139
00:08:14.079 --> 00:08:16.519
<v Speaker 2>is just such a perfect fit for the project. So

140
00:08:16.920 --> 00:08:19.519
<v Speaker 2>it's really cool to be able to do the audio version.

141
00:08:19.519 --> 00:08:21.399
<v Speaker 2>I think this is really going to be a standout,

142
00:08:21.519 --> 00:08:24.560
<v Speaker 2>and I appreciate your being willing to do it because

143
00:08:24.560 --> 00:08:26.920
<v Speaker 2>I know that your hands are full, just like me.

144
00:08:27.000 --> 00:08:29.040
<v Speaker 2>You've got a day job and then you've got this.

145
00:08:29.199 --> 00:08:32.559
<v Speaker 2>You record all these podcasts, You've done a series of

146
00:08:32.639 --> 00:08:35.720
<v Speaker 2>audio books, so you it's not like you've got a

147
00:08:35.759 --> 00:08:37.600
<v Speaker 2>whole lot of time on your hands. So it's it's

148
00:08:37.799 --> 00:08:41.039
<v Speaker 2>greatly appreciated that you're able to make the time to

149
00:08:41.039 --> 00:08:41.360
<v Speaker 2>do it.

150
00:08:42.200 --> 00:08:45.399
<v Speaker 3>I'm glad to mine. I'm glad to I mean, this

151
00:08:45.639 --> 00:08:48.000
<v Speaker 3>is this is road sailing This is the Twilight zur

152
00:08:48.039 --> 00:08:51.679
<v Speaker 3>and I think anytime we can put our stamp on

153
00:08:52.559 --> 00:08:56.879
<v Speaker 3>or get involved with it, I think it's it's very

154
00:08:56.960 --> 00:09:02.039
<v Speaker 3>wealthy stuff to do. So time on the Twilight Zone podcast,

155
00:09:02.080 --> 00:09:06.440
<v Speaker 3>we presented a bunch of interviews that you did with

156
00:09:06.480 --> 00:09:10.279
<v Speaker 3>your friend Chris at sailing Fest. It seems like the

157
00:09:10.360 --> 00:09:12.879
<v Speaker 3>time is taken away now, sailing Fest seems like a

158
00:09:12.879 --> 00:09:18.039
<v Speaker 3>while ago. Both interesting people are interesting people, whether they

159
00:09:18.120 --> 00:09:22.759
<v Speaker 3>recorded two months ago or ten minutes ago. So how

160
00:09:22.960 --> 00:09:26.480
<v Speaker 3>was sailing Fest for you in twenty twenty five?

161
00:09:27.120 --> 00:09:31.360
<v Speaker 2>Sirling Fest is always a great adventure, and I think

162
00:09:31.399 --> 00:09:36.320
<v Speaker 2>there was somebody who on the chat was mentioning they

163
00:09:36.320 --> 00:09:37.840
<v Speaker 2>were thinking about going for the first time. And I

164
00:09:37.919 --> 00:09:40.600
<v Speaker 2>think more than one person said, you know, you can

165
00:09:40.639 --> 00:09:43.000
<v Speaker 2>go to the big you know San Diego Comic Con

166
00:09:43.120 --> 00:09:46.080
<v Speaker 2>or the Galaxy comm these things where you know you

167
00:09:46.440 --> 00:09:49.159
<v Speaker 2>might be around ten or twenty thousand people with all

168
00:09:49.279 --> 00:09:52.120
<v Speaker 2>kinds of things going on. But you know, in those

169
00:09:52.200 --> 00:09:55.639
<v Speaker 2>environments you might pay two hundred dollars to spend five

170
00:09:55.720 --> 00:09:59.399
<v Speaker 2>seconds with somebody, right Whereas with serling Fest, it is

171
00:09:59.440 --> 00:10:04.799
<v Speaker 2>a it's a niche festival or convention, and it's it's

172
00:10:04.840 --> 00:10:08.279
<v Speaker 2>incredible that we have it, because you really do get

173
00:10:08.320 --> 00:10:12.000
<v Speaker 2>to spend time with the authors and the scholars and

174
00:10:12.039 --> 00:10:15.600
<v Speaker 2>the people who are producing the new, the new, the

175
00:10:15.679 --> 00:10:20.679
<v Speaker 2>new content that's carrying on this legacy, and you really

176
00:10:20.720 --> 00:10:24.720
<v Speaker 2>get a hands on and an in depth experience there.

177
00:10:24.759 --> 00:10:27.440
<v Speaker 2>So it's it's it's always a pleasure, and it's been

178
00:10:27.480 --> 00:10:32.360
<v Speaker 2>different every time. And I remember last year you had mentioned,

179
00:10:32.399 --> 00:10:35.399
<v Speaker 2>you know, lugging some audio equipment and wanting to do

180
00:10:35.519 --> 00:10:37.720
<v Speaker 2>some recording for the show, but you got really sick

181
00:10:37.759 --> 00:10:41.320
<v Speaker 2>and you had to muscle through to do your presentation

182
00:10:41.440 --> 00:10:43.120
<v Speaker 2>and it was it was so rough. So I thought

183
00:10:43.679 --> 00:10:46.399
<v Speaker 2>this year you weren't able to cross the pond, and

184
00:10:46.440 --> 00:10:48.440
<v Speaker 2>you know, Emmy and Zach and a lot of the people,

185
00:10:48.600 --> 00:10:50.840
<v Speaker 2>you know, Harold weren't weren't able to make it this year.

186
00:10:50.840 --> 00:10:53.320
<v Speaker 2>And I just had this idea that I pitched to Chris,

187
00:10:53.320 --> 00:10:56.200
<v Speaker 2>who was our audio engineer, and the guy's a genius,

188
00:10:57.000 --> 00:10:58.840
<v Speaker 2>and I said, you know what if we could just

189
00:10:59.320 --> 00:11:02.159
<v Speaker 2>do some interview and capture people and send it, you know,

190
00:11:02.200 --> 00:11:05.200
<v Speaker 2>for the podcast. And said, yeah, let's do it. And

191
00:11:05.240 --> 00:11:07.759
<v Speaker 2>so it gave us a challenge, but it was it

192
00:11:07.799 --> 00:11:10.200
<v Speaker 2>was it really was a highlight to be able to

193
00:11:10.240 --> 00:11:15.399
<v Speaker 2>do these interviews and it it it's a unique challenge,

194
00:11:15.440 --> 00:11:16.799
<v Speaker 2>but it was a lot of fun and it gave

195
00:11:16.840 --> 00:11:20.159
<v Speaker 2>us an opportunity to talk to people and get some

196
00:11:20.240 --> 00:11:25.399
<v Speaker 2>sort of new material that it's yeah, so so really

197
00:11:25.399 --> 00:11:26.639
<v Speaker 2>glad to be able to do that.

198
00:11:27.279 --> 00:11:29.919
<v Speaker 3>Just to kind of peek behind the curtain kind of

199
00:11:30.000 --> 00:11:35.240
<v Speaker 3>literally in this case. But at the last Sailing Fest,

200
00:11:35.279 --> 00:11:39.200
<v Speaker 3>I was where I was on stage and I gave

201
00:11:39.240 --> 00:11:42.960
<v Speaker 3>a presentation and so on, and I've said that a

202
00:11:43.000 --> 00:11:45.080
<v Speaker 3>million times. I don't want to hop on about it,

203
00:11:45.240 --> 00:11:49.840
<v Speaker 3>but I was just sick as anything, and literally before

204
00:11:49.919 --> 00:11:54.320
<v Speaker 3>I went on, I was kind of a crumpled mess

205
00:11:55.000 --> 00:11:57.759
<v Speaker 3>behind the curtain, you know, to the left of stage,

206
00:11:57.840 --> 00:12:01.360
<v Speaker 3>and you were kind of looking after me. And I'm

207
00:12:01.399 --> 00:12:05.000
<v Speaker 3>so appreciative of that because I was literally just sat

208
00:12:05.039 --> 00:12:09.720
<v Speaker 3>in a chair, you know, barely able to do anything,

209
00:12:09.919 --> 00:12:12.279
<v Speaker 3>never mind go out on stage and do a presentation.

210
00:12:12.399 --> 00:12:14.200
<v Speaker 3>But you were like, do you want me to get

211
00:12:14.240 --> 00:12:16.039
<v Speaker 3>you some water? Do you want me to say? You know,

212
00:12:16.159 --> 00:12:16.480
<v Speaker 3>do this?

213
00:12:16.600 --> 00:12:16.879
<v Speaker 2>Do that?

214
00:12:17.480 --> 00:12:21.240
<v Speaker 3>And and I really appreciate it because you know, I

215
00:12:21.320 --> 00:12:23.919
<v Speaker 3>went out there and I did it. It was fine.

216
00:12:24.080 --> 00:12:25.919
<v Speaker 3>I wish I could have done better if I wasn't

217
00:12:25.960 --> 00:12:30.440
<v Speaker 3>so sick, but I always appreciate that before that I

218
00:12:30.559 --> 00:12:33.200
<v Speaker 3>had you behind the scenes kind of prop on me up.

219
00:12:33.200 --> 00:12:34.080
<v Speaker 3>So thank you man.

220
00:12:34.600 --> 00:12:37.120
<v Speaker 2>Well, you had a whole team, if I remember, I

221
00:12:37.120 --> 00:12:39.440
<v Speaker 2>remember Emmy, and there was there was there was a

222
00:12:39.440 --> 00:12:42.840
<v Speaker 2>lot of concern because it was it was pretty rough.

223
00:12:42.879 --> 00:12:45.279
<v Speaker 2>But I'll tell you, I think the people in the audience,

224
00:12:45.279 --> 00:12:47.679
<v Speaker 2>I don't think anybody knew. I don't think anybody knew

225
00:12:47.720 --> 00:12:50.279
<v Speaker 2>that you were under the weather or how much it

226
00:12:50.320 --> 00:12:52.399
<v Speaker 2>took to be on the stage. I mean, you were

227
00:12:52.440 --> 00:12:56.039
<v Speaker 2>a true professional in that presentation. I'll tell you. The

228
00:12:56.200 --> 00:12:58.120
<v Speaker 2>hardest part about it was I had to follow you

229
00:12:58.399 --> 00:13:00.399
<v Speaker 2>and everybody left the auditorium to get to see you

230
00:13:00.480 --> 00:13:04.919
<v Speaker 2>because it was like the Beatles were in town. So yeah,

231
00:13:05.000 --> 00:13:08.240
<v Speaker 2>I don't think anybody there knew that how much it took,

232
00:13:08.279 --> 00:13:10.759
<v Speaker 2>but it was inspiring to see that kind of like

233
00:13:11.120 --> 00:13:15.559
<v Speaker 2>determination and professionalism at work. And so yeah, I don't

234
00:13:15.559 --> 00:13:17.480
<v Speaker 2>think anybody knew it. I don't think it could have

235
00:13:17.480 --> 00:13:18.159
<v Speaker 2>gone any better.

236
00:13:18.639 --> 00:13:22.879
<v Speaker 3>Thank you man, Thank you. So my plan always was

237
00:13:23.120 --> 00:13:25.480
<v Speaker 3>that I would try and get interviews with everybody at

238
00:13:25.519 --> 00:13:29.360
<v Speaker 3>sailling first, and obviously I was too sick to do it.

239
00:13:29.399 --> 00:13:32.960
<v Speaker 3>But this time, you and Chris stepped up and you

240
00:13:33.039 --> 00:13:37.519
<v Speaker 3>did it, and I just want to kind of pay tribute, really,

241
00:13:37.559 --> 00:13:41.480
<v Speaker 3>because it's not as easy as all that. It's not

242
00:13:41.519 --> 00:13:43.600
<v Speaker 3>as easy as just kind of ten and up and

243
00:13:43.639 --> 00:13:45.919
<v Speaker 3>doing this. You really need to be on your game.

244
00:13:46.480 --> 00:13:49.080
<v Speaker 3>You need to have your stuff ready to go for

245
00:13:49.159 --> 00:13:51.720
<v Speaker 3>when you get a chance to speak with these people.

246
00:13:53.600 --> 00:13:59.799
<v Speaker 3>So it kind of becomes the whole focus of your day.

247
00:14:00.039 --> 00:14:03.840
<v Speaker 3>You know, you can't really really relax when you're doing

248
00:14:03.879 --> 00:14:05.919
<v Speaker 3>something like that. So I want to thank you and

249
00:14:06.000 --> 00:14:09.399
<v Speaker 3>Chris for doing it and getting these great interviews for

250
00:14:09.480 --> 00:14:13.399
<v Speaker 3>the show. Was the you know, any standouts for you

251
00:14:13.480 --> 00:14:15.240
<v Speaker 3>in terms of the people that you spoke to.

252
00:14:15.840 --> 00:14:19.399
<v Speaker 2>You know, it's going to sound it's going to sound odd,

253
00:14:19.440 --> 00:14:23.600
<v Speaker 2>but really every single interview was a standout, And I mean,

254
00:14:23.639 --> 00:14:25.759
<v Speaker 2>there were there were some people that I was really

255
00:14:25.759 --> 00:14:27.600
<v Speaker 2>looking forward to speaking with. I mean, and there was

256
00:14:27.639 --> 00:14:30.519
<v Speaker 2>a lot of buzz about the new documentary that's happening,

257
00:14:31.240 --> 00:14:32.600
<v Speaker 2>and to be able to get a few minutes with

258
00:14:32.679 --> 00:14:38.879
<v Speaker 2>Joanah Tullis, the director of that was was fantastic. But

259
00:14:39.360 --> 00:14:44.639
<v Speaker 2>truly everybody had something unique, and every interview was this

260
00:14:44.840 --> 00:14:50.200
<v Speaker 2>like living dynamic catches catch can kind of thing and

261
00:14:50.440 --> 00:14:52.320
<v Speaker 2>there were a few people that I wanted to speak to,

262
00:14:52.360 --> 00:14:54.639
<v Speaker 2>but like you said, it's it's it's kind of chaos,

263
00:14:54.759 --> 00:14:58.720
<v Speaker 2>and you sort of can catch who you can. But yeah,

264
00:14:59.440 --> 00:15:02.600
<v Speaker 2>everybody brought something unique to the table and every conversation.

265
00:15:02.759 --> 00:15:07.559
<v Speaker 2>Listening back to it last week was really special because

266
00:15:07.559 --> 00:15:10.320
<v Speaker 2>I'd sort of, you know, you do it, and you didn't.

267
00:15:10.480 --> 00:15:13.919
<v Speaker 2>I hadn't listened back to any of them, so yeah,

268
00:15:14.200 --> 00:15:17.639
<v Speaker 2>it was. It was amazing to get this diverse range

269
00:15:17.639 --> 00:15:21.759
<v Speaker 2>of people who were all all inspired by the same figure,

270
00:15:21.799 --> 00:15:24.600
<v Speaker 2>and just the range of you know, being coolly on

271
00:15:24.759 --> 00:15:32.080
<v Speaker 2>NPR professors, authors, documentarians. You know, I think Mary Kate,

272
00:15:32.159 --> 00:15:34.240
<v Speaker 2>who made the hats and was a first time vendor,

273
00:15:34.639 --> 00:15:38.600
<v Speaker 2>her energy was was just amazing and inspiring. And you know,

274
00:15:38.799 --> 00:15:41.039
<v Speaker 2>you make this long drive, I'll tell you the real

275
00:15:41.360 --> 00:15:43.480
<v Speaker 2>one of the real magic tricks as we turned a

276
00:15:43.559 --> 00:15:47.000
<v Speaker 2>nine hour drive into a fifteen hour drive because I

277
00:15:47.080 --> 00:15:50.399
<v Speaker 2>missed a few exits and I'm not the best navigator

278
00:15:50.440 --> 00:15:53.240
<v Speaker 2>in the world. But you know, you're pretty spent your shot.

279
00:15:53.320 --> 00:15:55.919
<v Speaker 2>You've traveled. But once you get there, the energy of

280
00:15:56.519 --> 00:16:01.159
<v Speaker 2>the people and all of these incredible, unique people just

281
00:16:01.240 --> 00:16:06.320
<v Speaker 2>it sort of gives you that adrenaline and inspiration and yeah,

282
00:16:06.480 --> 00:16:08.240
<v Speaker 2>the whole thing was pretty remarkable.

283
00:16:08.559 --> 00:16:11.480
<v Speaker 3>I'm going to say here and now that you know

284
00:16:11.559 --> 00:16:13.840
<v Speaker 3>there is going to be an in person sailing fest

285
00:16:13.960 --> 00:16:18.399
<v Speaker 3>next year, I am hoping to go. There's a couple

286
00:16:18.440 --> 00:16:21.240
<v Speaker 3>of things that need to line up for that to

287
00:16:21.360 --> 00:16:26.720
<v Speaker 3>happen that I'm hoping that they do. So I'm going

288
00:16:26.799 --> 00:16:31.639
<v Speaker 3>to try and start the buzz early. And if I

289
00:16:31.720 --> 00:16:34.039
<v Speaker 3>can go, I mean, whether I can go or not,

290
00:16:34.240 --> 00:16:39.039
<v Speaker 3>then people should go. But if I can go, I've

291
00:16:39.080 --> 00:16:41.600
<v Speaker 3>said that a million times. I just love meeting people

292
00:16:41.639 --> 00:16:46.360
<v Speaker 3>there and connecting with people who listen to the podcast,

293
00:16:46.559 --> 00:16:51.679
<v Speaker 3>connecting to people who are Twilight owned fans, road sailing fans,

294
00:16:51.799 --> 00:16:56.399
<v Speaker 3>and I just feel that when you are there, you're

295
00:16:56.480 --> 00:17:01.480
<v Speaker 3>truly with your tribe, you know, and it's it's a

296
00:17:01.519 --> 00:17:05.519
<v Speaker 3>feeling like no other. So what what is sailing Fest

297
00:17:05.519 --> 00:17:05.759
<v Speaker 3>to you?

298
00:17:05.960 --> 00:17:09.680
<v Speaker 2>Chat surling Fest? I think we're so fortunate to have

299
00:17:09.759 --> 00:17:12.480
<v Speaker 2>it and every every I've gone three times and each

300
00:17:12.480 --> 00:17:15.200
<v Speaker 2>time has been completely different. The first time in twenty nineteen,

301
00:17:15.240 --> 00:17:18.519
<v Speaker 2>I went and I got to experience it from the

302
00:17:18.599 --> 00:17:22.920
<v Speaker 2>audience and listening to all the presentations and meeting the

303
00:17:22.960 --> 00:17:25.680
<v Speaker 2>people and going through that vendors room, and just being surrounded.

304
00:17:25.720 --> 00:17:28.720
<v Speaker 2>You know, they have this beautiful old theater that this

305
00:17:28.880 --> 00:17:32.000
<v Speaker 2>is held in. Just being in that theater is incredible

306
00:17:32.039 --> 00:17:34.839
<v Speaker 2>by itself. And then the second time I went, it

307
00:17:34.960 --> 00:17:37.759
<v Speaker 2>was the first year I was in the dealer's room

308
00:17:37.839 --> 00:17:40.119
<v Speaker 2>and I was presenting, you know, on the stage, and

309
00:17:40.160 --> 00:17:42.880
<v Speaker 2>that was a whole different experience. And this year, this

310
00:17:42.960 --> 00:17:45.680
<v Speaker 2>year was all about the Twilight rounds, getting you know,

311
00:17:45.720 --> 00:17:48.839
<v Speaker 2>getting that ready for the for the festival and setting

312
00:17:48.920 --> 00:17:50.920
<v Speaker 2>up you know, the book signing at the Barnes and

313
00:17:50.960 --> 00:17:54.599
<v Speaker 2>Noble in Vestal. They've let us generously let us have

314
00:17:54.720 --> 00:17:59.279
<v Speaker 2>to you know, tie in surling Fest book signings and

315
00:17:59.319 --> 00:18:02.240
<v Speaker 2>author events at that Barnes and Noble investible to invest

316
00:18:02.480 --> 00:18:05.599
<v Speaker 2>two years in a row getting that coordinated, getting all

317
00:18:05.640 --> 00:18:09.440
<v Speaker 2>the authors there, and then this year doing the audio

318
00:18:09.480 --> 00:18:12.319
<v Speaker 2>and getting this sort of audio documentary done was so

319
00:18:12.400 --> 00:18:15.640
<v Speaker 2>each year has been completely different. But it's I guess

320
00:18:15.720 --> 00:18:17.319
<v Speaker 2>if I had to put it into one word, that

321
00:18:17.359 --> 00:18:18.359
<v Speaker 2>word would be magic.

322
00:18:18.759 --> 00:18:21.839
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, there's definitely a magic about it. You know, it

323
00:18:21.960 --> 00:18:26.000
<v Speaker 3>really is a great feeling. So, you know, fingers crossed Man,

324
00:18:26.119 --> 00:18:28.759
<v Speaker 3>next year, I want to be there. I want I

325
00:18:28.799 --> 00:18:31.839
<v Speaker 3>hope you'll be there because I'm not sure we've actually

326
00:18:31.839 --> 00:18:35.400
<v Speaker 3>had a drink yet. Chat you know, we've kind of

327
00:18:35.759 --> 00:18:40.079
<v Speaker 3>we we cross paths in various ways while we're there,

328
00:18:40.119 --> 00:18:41.759
<v Speaker 3>but I think we just need to sit down and

329
00:18:41.799 --> 00:18:44.160
<v Speaker 3>have a drink and take this all in because it's

330
00:18:44.440 --> 00:18:47.480
<v Speaker 3>it's truly a magical time, I think. So next time,

331
00:18:47.480 --> 00:18:48.240
<v Speaker 3>we've got to do it.

332
00:18:48.279 --> 00:18:52.319
<v Speaker 2>Man, we've been talking about that drink for years and yeah,

333
00:18:52.319 --> 00:18:54.960
<v Speaker 2>it's always escaped us. But I'm having one right now,

334
00:18:55.079 --> 00:18:56.759
<v Speaker 2>so I'll let that cat out of the bag.

335
00:18:57.200 --> 00:19:00.319
<v Speaker 3>Okay, there you go, have a nice golden delight on

336
00:19:00.400 --> 00:19:06.519
<v Speaker 3>the air. Okay, so let's let's go over to some

337
00:19:06.640 --> 00:19:09.799
<v Speaker 3>of the interviews that you recorded a sailing Fest this

338
00:19:09.960 --> 00:19:13.039
<v Speaker 3>year and we will catch you on the other side.

339
00:19:13.279 --> 00:19:15.839
<v Speaker 2>Well, thanks so much, And I think this round there's

340
00:19:15.920 --> 00:19:19.160
<v Speaker 2>some of the actual producers and people who make Surling

341
00:19:19.200 --> 00:19:22.279
<v Speaker 2>Fest happen, and I've definitely gotten an appreciation for all

342
00:19:22.319 --> 00:19:26.039
<v Speaker 2>the work they put in, like Tony and Nick Parisi

343
00:19:26.240 --> 00:19:31.000
<v Speaker 2>and just the work that goes into this is tremendous.

344
00:19:31.000 --> 00:19:33.599
<v Speaker 2>So it's I hope everybody enjoys this and it was

345
00:19:33.640 --> 00:19:37.160
<v Speaker 2>a pleasure to do it. I'm here with Jeff and

346
00:19:37.160 --> 00:19:40.200
<v Speaker 2>Andrew Serling, members of the Sterling family here at Surling

347
00:19:40.240 --> 00:19:41.799
<v Speaker 2>Fest twenty twenty five. How are you doing.

348
00:19:42.079 --> 00:19:44.640
<v Speaker 4>We're good, We're good. Thanks for thanks for having us.

349
00:19:44.680 --> 00:19:48.119
<v Speaker 2>Absolutely And so this year is twenty twenty five. Is

350
00:19:48.440 --> 00:19:50.519
<v Speaker 2>Rod Serling in his own words? How do you feel

351
00:19:50.559 --> 00:19:52.400
<v Speaker 2>about that? That? That theme?

352
00:19:53.039 --> 00:19:53.559
<v Speaker 4>It was good.

353
00:19:53.599 --> 00:19:55.519
<v Speaker 5>We you know, we try to give a different theme

354
00:19:55.559 --> 00:19:59.440
<v Speaker 5>to the to the Surling Fest each year. This year

355
00:19:59.519 --> 00:20:03.160
<v Speaker 5>seemed really kind of you know, pushed onto rather than

356
00:20:03.200 --> 00:20:06.200
<v Speaker 5>you know, us talking about what's going on in the

357
00:20:06.200 --> 00:20:07.759
<v Speaker 5>world and what you know, you know, kind of the

358
00:20:08.079 --> 00:20:09.920
<v Speaker 5>pulse of everything that's going on is really giving an

359
00:20:09.920 --> 00:20:12.359
<v Speaker 5>opportunity to people hear from Rodd's earling, you know, in

360
00:20:12.400 --> 00:20:14.559
<v Speaker 5>his own words. So a lot of speeches, a lot

361
00:20:14.599 --> 00:20:16.839
<v Speaker 5>of his writings, and a lot of his works just

362
00:20:16.880 --> 00:20:20.400
<v Speaker 5>really coming out less of the twilight zones and the

363
00:20:20.480 --> 00:20:22.440
<v Speaker 5>night galleries and all that, and really more of the

364
00:20:22.839 --> 00:20:26.359
<v Speaker 5>speeches and the things that he talked about from other places.

365
00:20:26.480 --> 00:20:28.519
<v Speaker 2>And that's wonderful because we know he put a lot

366
00:20:28.559 --> 00:20:31.160
<v Speaker 2>of messages into his shows and episodes, but this is

367
00:20:31.279 --> 00:20:34.680
<v Speaker 2>just direct, you know, his his speeches. And is there

368
00:20:34.720 --> 00:20:36.640
<v Speaker 2>anyone in particular that you're fond of did you have

369
00:20:36.680 --> 00:20:39.359
<v Speaker 2>sort of input on what was selected.

370
00:20:39.119 --> 00:20:40.880
<v Speaker 5>Well, it's part of the We have a committee that

371
00:20:40.920 --> 00:20:42.839
<v Speaker 5>puts this together. So as part of the committee, we

372
00:20:43.240 --> 00:20:46.519
<v Speaker 5>we had a lot of different ones we worked with

373
00:20:46.599 --> 00:20:49.359
<v Speaker 5>and that we looked at the Library of Congress. One

374
00:20:49.440 --> 00:20:51.759
<v Speaker 5>is always one that resonates with everybody, the one that

375
00:20:51.799 --> 00:20:56.119
<v Speaker 5>Mark Mark Hallshaker did this morning, simply because when you

376
00:20:56.319 --> 00:20:59.240
<v Speaker 5>listen to the words of it, it could have been

377
00:20:59.279 --> 00:21:01.240
<v Speaker 5>done in nineteen sixty eight, it could have been done

378
00:21:01.279 --> 00:21:05.200
<v Speaker 5>two weeks ago, and the words resonate just years later.

379
00:21:05.519 --> 00:21:07.240
<v Speaker 4>So I think that was probably one of my favorites.

380
00:21:07.440 --> 00:21:11.119
<v Speaker 2>And I just love that this so infest just really does.

381
00:21:11.599 --> 00:21:14.200
<v Speaker 2>He never felt like his work would go on, but

382
00:21:14.359 --> 00:21:16.720
<v Speaker 2>in fact, his work has gone on. It's it's one

383
00:21:16.720 --> 00:21:19.839
<v Speaker 2>of the most He is one of the most vaunted

384
00:21:19.839 --> 00:21:23.359
<v Speaker 2>and respected writers of all time, and this is really

385
00:21:23.359 --> 00:21:25.759
<v Speaker 2>a way to just keep his legacy alife. Do you

386
00:21:25.799 --> 00:21:27.799
<v Speaker 2>feel like this is doing just that?

387
00:21:28.079 --> 00:21:28.599
<v Speaker 4>I think so.

388
00:21:28.759 --> 00:21:30.839
<v Speaker 5>And I think the more people we bring in that

389
00:21:30.920 --> 00:21:33.759
<v Speaker 5>have been influenced by Rod Serling, I think really kind

390
00:21:33.799 --> 00:21:36.599
<v Speaker 5>of you know, gives you the opportunity to really see

391
00:21:36.640 --> 00:21:39.880
<v Speaker 5>the impact that he made, not just in pop culture,

392
00:21:39.920 --> 00:21:42.319
<v Speaker 5>but you know, the industry of writers themselves. And you

393
00:21:42.359 --> 00:21:45.119
<v Speaker 5>hear about, you know, whether a writer has been inspired

394
00:21:45.240 --> 00:21:49.799
<v Speaker 5>or a TV producer or a showrunner and all the inspirations.

395
00:21:49.880 --> 00:21:52.039
<v Speaker 5>Just getting the people that we got here in Joe

396
00:21:52.079 --> 00:21:54.799
<v Speaker 5>Dougherty and Frank Spotnitz and David b and Coldy and

397
00:21:55.119 --> 00:21:58.079
<v Speaker 5>you know, just hearing their stories about the impact that

398
00:21:58.200 --> 00:22:01.079
<v Speaker 5>Rod made on them throughout their entire career.

399
00:22:02.160 --> 00:22:03.119
<v Speaker 4>David said it best.

400
00:22:03.160 --> 00:22:05.480
<v Speaker 5>I think he was talking yesterday, or maybe it was Joe,

401
00:22:05.519 --> 00:22:09.119
<v Speaker 5>but they were basically saying that so many people didn't

402
00:22:09.200 --> 00:22:12.920
<v Speaker 5>know what TV writers were until they heard Rod Serly's name,

403
00:22:12.920 --> 00:22:15.839
<v Speaker 5>and he was really the first identifiable person that they

404
00:22:16.079 --> 00:22:19.480
<v Speaker 5>that they could connect with. Before that, TV writers were

405
00:22:19.519 --> 00:22:21.279
<v Speaker 5>a lot of times people you think, in the back

406
00:22:21.359 --> 00:22:23.039
<v Speaker 5>rooms and they were doing all the writing and stuff.

407
00:22:23.039 --> 00:22:25.920
<v Speaker 5>But suddenly there was this personality and this person that

408
00:22:26.000 --> 00:22:27.640
<v Speaker 5>came out on the screen. But it was also just

409
00:22:27.680 --> 00:22:29.440
<v Speaker 5>an amazing writer. And I think that was a big

410
00:22:29.480 --> 00:22:32.640
<v Speaker 5>part of his popularity, is the fact that he was

411
00:22:32.680 --> 00:22:36.160
<v Speaker 5>not only an incredible writer, an incredible person, but also

412
00:22:36.319 --> 00:22:38.359
<v Speaker 5>you know, kind of an on screen persona people can

413
00:22:38.359 --> 00:22:40.559
<v Speaker 5>see him and they recognize him, and you know, it

414
00:22:40.680 --> 00:22:42.640
<v Speaker 5>just kind of made him stand out a little bit differently.

415
00:22:42.799 --> 00:22:44.839
<v Speaker 2>And what stands out, especially today, is that you know,

416
00:22:44.960 --> 00:22:47.119
<v Speaker 2>Rod Serling was front and center as the host and

417
00:22:47.160 --> 00:22:49.440
<v Speaker 2>the narrator and the writer. But it wasn't about him.

418
00:22:49.960 --> 00:22:54.480
<v Speaker 2>It wasn't it wasn't about no furthering his own ego.

419
00:22:55.119 --> 00:22:57.599
<v Speaker 2>It was always about bigger things for him.

420
00:22:57.640 --> 00:22:59.279
<v Speaker 4>It was always about the words on the page. It

421
00:22:59.359 --> 00:22:59.920
<v Speaker 4>always was.

422
00:23:00.799 --> 00:23:03.599
<v Speaker 5>I think the fact that he was on screen added

423
00:23:03.640 --> 00:23:05.960
<v Speaker 5>to the credibility and added to the kind of the

424
00:23:06.039 --> 00:23:08.759
<v Speaker 5>lore that has made this last a lot longer. There

425
00:23:08.759 --> 00:23:11.640
<v Speaker 5>have been some amazing TV writers, but sometimes you don't

426
00:23:11.640 --> 00:23:13.000
<v Speaker 5>know what they look like, you don't know what their

427
00:23:13.000 --> 00:23:14.759
<v Speaker 5>personalities are like. But he was one of those people

428
00:23:14.880 --> 00:23:17.440
<v Speaker 5>that just simply stood out above everybody. And even though

429
00:23:17.440 --> 00:23:19.920
<v Speaker 5>they were amazing writers all during the time period that

430
00:23:20.480 --> 00:23:23.519
<v Speaker 5>he was producing The Toilet Zone, you still, you know,

431
00:23:23.599 --> 00:23:26.200
<v Speaker 5>you identified with him, You could connect with him because

432
00:23:26.240 --> 00:23:28.000
<v Speaker 5>you saw him, you knew him, and it was just

433
00:23:28.400 --> 00:23:30.400
<v Speaker 5>it was an amazing thing he was able to accomplish

434
00:23:30.400 --> 00:23:33.599
<v Speaker 5>in a day that writers didn't go on screen, writers

435
00:23:33.599 --> 00:23:36.200
<v Speaker 5>didn't didn't go in front of their you know, writers

436
00:23:36.200 --> 00:23:37.759
<v Speaker 5>were at the host of TV shows.

437
00:23:37.799 --> 00:23:39.720
<v Speaker 4>But you know, he pulled off something that no one

438
00:23:39.759 --> 00:23:40.720
<v Speaker 4>had ever done before.

439
00:23:40.920 --> 00:23:42.960
<v Speaker 2>You know, and it's being here in Binghamton. Had said

440
00:23:42.960 --> 00:23:45.640
<v Speaker 2>that no one can be a profit in their own hometown,

441
00:23:46.079 --> 00:23:48.640
<v Speaker 2>and I think, you know, the sort of message of

442
00:23:48.680 --> 00:23:51.440
<v Speaker 2>that is when you're in your own hometown, maybe people

443
00:23:51.480 --> 00:23:55.240
<v Speaker 2>see you differently than the aggrandizement or But when I'm

444
00:23:55.240 --> 00:23:57.559
<v Speaker 2>here in Binghamton, I feel like everybody that I meet

445
00:23:57.680 --> 00:24:00.759
<v Speaker 2>has something that they're just as in all all of

446
00:24:00.839 --> 00:24:04.200
<v Speaker 2>Rod Serling as everybody that didn't even grow up here

447
00:24:04.279 --> 00:24:05.599
<v Speaker 2>around him. I mean, what do you.

448
00:24:05.599 --> 00:24:09.759
<v Speaker 5>Think it's It's an interesting upstate New York, the whole area.

449
00:24:09.799 --> 00:24:12.200
<v Speaker 5>So when you're talking to Syracuse and Ithaca and Inner

450
00:24:12.279 --> 00:24:16.200
<v Speaker 5>Lake and Binghamton, there's just there's a there's a presence

451
00:24:16.279 --> 00:24:19.079
<v Speaker 5>up here and people, you know, they found this person

452
00:24:19.119 --> 00:24:21.240
<v Speaker 5>that that was relatable and it's one of their own,

453
00:24:21.359 --> 00:24:24.039
<v Speaker 5>and you know, they talk about the homegrown kid that

454
00:24:24.200 --> 00:24:26.519
<v Speaker 5>made good in life, and he was just simply one

455
00:24:26.559 --> 00:24:28.519
<v Speaker 5>of those people that Binghamton has had a lot of,

456
00:24:28.559 --> 00:24:30.119
<v Speaker 5>you know, people that have come out of there, but

457
00:24:30.480 --> 00:24:32.839
<v Speaker 5>Rod Serling is kind of the child of Bampton, and

458
00:24:32.880 --> 00:24:36.799
<v Speaker 5>I think it just resonates with people throughout throughout the community.

459
00:24:37.279 --> 00:24:38.880
<v Speaker 5>You see it in the number of people that come

460
00:24:38.880 --> 00:24:42.400
<v Speaker 5>out here and are telling their stories. And for you know,

461
00:24:42.880 --> 00:24:44.480
<v Speaker 5>doing this as many years as I have, I have

462
00:24:44.559 --> 00:24:46.400
<v Speaker 5>people that come in and some of the people that

463
00:24:46.440 --> 00:24:48.319
<v Speaker 5>have been living in Binghamton for years and years and

464
00:24:48.400 --> 00:24:51.799
<v Speaker 5>years would tell me, hey, do you have your grandmother's

465
00:24:51.799 --> 00:24:55.240
<v Speaker 5>pickle recipe? Because when when my grandfather had a deli,

466
00:24:56.079 --> 00:24:58.880
<v Speaker 5>my grandmother made pickles. I didn't even know my grandmother

467
00:24:58.920 --> 00:25:00.799
<v Speaker 5>made pickles. But you know, you find these people in

468
00:25:00.839 --> 00:25:03.160
<v Speaker 5>the community that just you know, tell you all these

469
00:25:03.200 --> 00:25:05.960
<v Speaker 5>stories about Rod and my dad and you know, and

470
00:25:06.039 --> 00:25:08.839
<v Speaker 5>my grandparents all living here and you know, being on

471
00:25:08.920 --> 00:25:10.880
<v Speaker 5>Bennett and what parts of the community they are, and

472
00:25:10.920 --> 00:25:13.440
<v Speaker 5>it just it just you know, like I said, it

473
00:25:13.559 --> 00:25:15.640
<v Speaker 5>kind of warms your heart knowing that this is really

474
00:25:15.680 --> 00:25:17.440
<v Speaker 5>like a second home for a lot of a lot

475
00:25:17.440 --> 00:25:19.519
<v Speaker 5>of us in this Earling family. This is this is

476
00:25:19.559 --> 00:25:20.279
<v Speaker 5>a second.

477
00:25:19.960 --> 00:25:23.400
<v Speaker 2>Home for us. And yesterday at the book signing, Chris

478
00:25:23.400 --> 00:25:25.680
<v Speaker 2>Benedict met someone who said, oh, yeah, you know Rod

479
00:25:25.720 --> 00:25:27.720
<v Speaker 2>Serling Box at the y m c A. He trained

480
00:25:27.720 --> 00:25:30.559
<v Speaker 2>there and he worked out. There's just one of a

481
00:25:30.640 --> 00:25:32.640
<v Speaker 2>kind to be in a place where you can have

482
00:25:32.759 --> 00:25:35.680
<v Speaker 2>that kind of insight, you know, just from people around.

483
00:25:35.720 --> 00:25:37.559
<v Speaker 2>And so it's amazing to be here, and last year

484
00:25:37.599 --> 00:25:41.680
<v Speaker 2>was the big statue unveiling and I think we've h

485
00:25:42.400 --> 00:25:45.480
<v Speaker 2>he has would be surprised at how much his legacy

486
00:25:45.559 --> 00:25:47.759
<v Speaker 2>has UH has influenced the world.

487
00:25:47.759 --> 00:25:50.240
<v Speaker 4>Would be the first one to say, I don't know

488
00:25:50.279 --> 00:25:51.519
<v Speaker 4>how he would react to this, but.

489
00:25:51.519 --> 00:25:54.920
<v Speaker 5>I think he would be floored that that he's that

490
00:25:55.039 --> 00:25:58.920
<v Speaker 5>we're doing festivals for him, you know, years later and

491
00:25:58.960 --> 00:26:01.359
<v Speaker 5>you know, you know, celebrate his hundredth birthday last year

492
00:26:01.400 --> 00:26:03.920
<v Speaker 5>and erecting a statue. I mean, these are things I

493
00:26:03.920 --> 00:26:06.839
<v Speaker 5>don't think anybody really looks to and inspires to in life.

494
00:26:06.880 --> 00:26:10.119
<v Speaker 5>But he made an impact. He made an impact on

495
00:26:10.160 --> 00:26:13.000
<v Speaker 5>nearly everyone he worked with everyone, He touched every person

496
00:26:13.079 --> 00:26:14.480
<v Speaker 5>that's looked at his work.

497
00:26:14.799 --> 00:26:16.200
<v Speaker 4>He's made that impact.

498
00:26:15.799 --> 00:26:18.279
<v Speaker 5>On people, and I think that that's you know, that's

499
00:26:18.279 --> 00:26:20.599
<v Speaker 5>something that you know, we all can kind of aspire to.

500
00:26:20.599 --> 00:26:22.599
<v Speaker 2>At some point. Absolutely, And with this, this is going

501
00:26:22.599 --> 00:26:25.559
<v Speaker 2>out to a podcast that's hosted in Liverpool, England, is

502
00:26:25.599 --> 00:26:29.000
<v Speaker 2>worldwide and any last thoughts for for the for the

503
00:26:29.039 --> 00:26:31.680
<v Speaker 2>listeners of maybe what's coming down the road or any

504
00:26:31.720 --> 00:26:34.039
<v Speaker 2>ideas you've got for future events or.

505
00:26:34.799 --> 00:26:38.440
<v Speaker 5>Well we're always looking for you know, you know, Surling

506
00:26:38.440 --> 00:26:40.680
<v Speaker 5>Fest is one of those things that we're always looking

507
00:26:40.720 --> 00:26:44.160
<v Speaker 5>for ideas and you know, we we we scoured to

508
00:26:44.240 --> 00:26:47.640
<v Speaker 5>find you know, new and unique ways of presenting this,

509
00:26:47.799 --> 00:26:49.960
<v Speaker 5>and you know, we never want this to get old

510
00:26:50.039 --> 00:26:51.880
<v Speaker 5>and stale where people will say, hey, you know what

511
00:26:52.680 --> 00:26:54.640
<v Speaker 5>I did that last year. We want Surling Fest to

512
00:26:54.640 --> 00:26:56.839
<v Speaker 5>be always an everything as Wow, they're doing this and

513
00:26:56.839 --> 00:26:59.039
<v Speaker 5>look at who they've brought in, look at this new

514
00:26:59.079 --> 00:27:02.839
<v Speaker 5>perspective and you know, the boxing perspective last year, the

515
00:27:02.920 --> 00:27:05.799
<v Speaker 5>haikups that we brought and all the things that we

516
00:27:05.920 --> 00:27:06.960
<v Speaker 5>do that are just just.

517
00:27:06.960 --> 00:27:07.720
<v Speaker 4>That are different.

518
00:27:08.759 --> 00:27:11.160
<v Speaker 5>People come up with new ways to honor and tribute

519
00:27:11.200 --> 00:27:13.480
<v Speaker 5>Rod Sterling, and we want to make sure we're identifying

520
00:27:13.599 --> 00:27:15.839
<v Speaker 5>those type of artists and the new writers and the

521
00:27:16.200 --> 00:27:18.759
<v Speaker 5>you know, the people that have found influence and talk

522
00:27:18.839 --> 00:27:21.400
<v Speaker 5>to people you know that have been influenced by him

523
00:27:21.440 --> 00:27:23.480
<v Speaker 5>throughout the industry and bring them in and let them

524
00:27:23.480 --> 00:27:25.839
<v Speaker 5>tell their stories. It's you know, I think that's really

525
00:27:25.880 --> 00:27:28.160
<v Speaker 5>the goal through Surling Fest is really just not not

526
00:27:28.240 --> 00:27:30.960
<v Speaker 5>to promote just the work and the twilight Zone, but

527
00:27:30.960 --> 00:27:32.759
<v Speaker 5>it's really just you know, to show the man and

528
00:27:32.799 --> 00:27:34.519
<v Speaker 5>to have the family come in and give you the

529
00:27:34.559 --> 00:27:37.160
<v Speaker 5>opportunity to meet, you know, all the people that have

530
00:27:37.200 --> 00:27:38.200
<v Speaker 5>been involved in his life.

531
00:27:38.200 --> 00:27:40.160
<v Speaker 4>I think that's always probably the most important thing.

532
00:27:40.359 --> 00:27:42.160
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's like the Twilight Zoners. Just the door you

533
00:27:42.200 --> 00:27:44.119
<v Speaker 2>walk through and there's so much more on the other side.

534
00:27:44.200 --> 00:27:46.640
<v Speaker 4>There's more on the other side, just walk through that door.

535
00:27:46.759 --> 00:27:48.920
<v Speaker 2>Well, this is wonderful. Thank you so much for to

536
00:27:48.960 --> 00:27:52.680
<v Speaker 2>speak with both of you. And yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

537
00:27:52.720 --> 00:27:56.079
<v Speaker 2>absolutely ask the question. Yeah, now, I'm thinking that Rod

538
00:27:56.079 --> 00:27:58.559
<v Speaker 2>Sterling was kind of punk rock before punk rock was

539
00:27:58.559 --> 00:27:59.799
<v Speaker 2>punk rock? What do you think?

540
00:28:00.319 --> 00:28:04.359
<v Speaker 6>Oh, yeah, for sure. Yeah, there was lots of like

541
00:28:04.640 --> 00:28:07.640
<v Speaker 6>music in the Twilight Zone, and I'm sure he loved

542
00:28:07.680 --> 00:28:08.640
<v Speaker 6>like punk rock as well.

543
00:28:08.960 --> 00:28:11.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah, And so what's been your experience, I mean,

544
00:28:11.440 --> 00:28:13.359
<v Speaker 2>you've been I've seen you around. I've been to three

545
00:28:13.359 --> 00:28:16.200
<v Speaker 2>of these and I always see her. What's how has

546
00:28:16.240 --> 00:28:17.759
<v Speaker 2>this changed and evolved for you?

547
00:28:18.240 --> 00:28:21.599
<v Speaker 6>Well, it's interesting hearing about like like his life, and

548
00:28:21.880 --> 00:28:24.759
<v Speaker 6>I love hearing all the people's stories about how Rod

549
00:28:24.799 --> 00:28:26.200
<v Speaker 6>impacted them. It was really cool.

550
00:28:26.519 --> 00:28:26.759
<v Speaker 7>Yeah.

551
00:28:26.920 --> 00:28:27.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

552
00:28:27.519 --> 00:28:30.279
<v Speaker 2>Do you have any particular favorites, favorite works that he

553
00:28:30.359 --> 00:28:31.759
<v Speaker 2>did or things that inspired you.

554
00:28:32.400 --> 00:28:35.440
<v Speaker 6>Well, I do have a favorite Twilight Zone episode. It's

555
00:28:35.559 --> 00:28:39.000
<v Speaker 6>it's timing to fit last and I loved the character

556
00:28:39.039 --> 00:28:41.000
<v Speaker 6>and not the main character because he he met me,

557
00:28:41.039 --> 00:28:44.400
<v Speaker 6>have my my grandpa. Yeah, so I decided to rep

558
00:28:44.400 --> 00:28:47.839
<v Speaker 6>this Shart because it's my favorite episode.

559
00:28:48.039 --> 00:28:52.119
<v Speaker 2>Yeah so your favorite character was Henry Beamish, Yeah, that

560
00:28:52.200 --> 00:28:54.359
<v Speaker 2>was That was actually the episode that got me hoped

561
00:28:54.400 --> 00:28:56.519
<v Speaker 2>when I was a kid. It was nice. It got

562
00:28:56.559 --> 00:28:58.880
<v Speaker 2>me because I thought, you know, this, this person's the hero,

563
00:28:59.039 --> 00:29:02.359
<v Speaker 2>he's the Protagonistbody's yelling at him. Yeah, he's the underdog.

564
00:29:02.559 --> 00:29:05.640
<v Speaker 2>But then the universe sticks it to him. Right, It's

565
00:29:05.640 --> 00:29:07.559
<v Speaker 2>like what But but it felt like he was telling

566
00:29:07.599 --> 00:29:10.000
<v Speaker 2>me the truth. Yeah, it felt like he was telling

567
00:29:10.000 --> 00:29:12.240
<v Speaker 2>me the truth like TV shows the happy ending and

568
00:29:12.240 --> 00:29:15.000
<v Speaker 2>stuff like. It felt it felt that felt really like

569
00:29:15.079 --> 00:29:16.119
<v Speaker 2>he was willing to.

570
00:29:17.279 --> 00:29:19.319
<v Speaker 5>Now that's probably one of the out of all of

571
00:29:19.319 --> 00:29:23.319
<v Speaker 5>his writings is everybody can see themselves in so many

572
00:29:23.359 --> 00:29:26.000
<v Speaker 5>of the characters, whether it's you know, whether it's Henry

573
00:29:26.039 --> 00:29:30.000
<v Speaker 5>Beamis or you know, really anybody. There's there's always there's

574
00:29:30.039 --> 00:29:34.720
<v Speaker 5>there's there's good, there's evil, there's protagonists, there's antagonists, but

575
00:29:34.759 --> 00:29:37.960
<v Speaker 5>there's they're relatable characters, and you know they're they're not

576
00:29:38.119 --> 00:29:40.960
<v Speaker 5>people that you know, are the beyond the everyday man.

577
00:29:41.079 --> 00:29:43.319
<v Speaker 5>They are really just people that you know, at some

578
00:29:43.400 --> 00:29:45.720
<v Speaker 5>point you find something in yourself in some character in

579
00:29:45.720 --> 00:29:46.559
<v Speaker 5>the Twilight Zone.

580
00:29:47.000 --> 00:29:50.640
<v Speaker 2>Absolutely, yeah, that's that's wonderful. We've got the same favorite episode.

581
00:29:50.640 --> 00:29:52.519
<v Speaker 4>I love that mine is Out to See a Flight

582
00:29:52.559 --> 00:29:54.880
<v Speaker 4>thirty three. I love that one. That's that's the one

583
00:29:54.880 --> 00:29:56.759
<v Speaker 4>that my dad and Rod collaborated on.

584
00:29:57.000 --> 00:29:58.799
<v Speaker 2>Oh I didn't know that, dude. Oh yeah, tell me

585
00:29:58.839 --> 00:29:59.839
<v Speaker 2>about collaboration.

586
00:30:00.240 --> 00:30:04.200
<v Speaker 5>So I wrote about this in one of the newsletters

587
00:30:04.200 --> 00:30:06.839
<v Speaker 5>that we did for the foundation, But uh, do we

588
00:30:06.880 --> 00:30:08.960
<v Speaker 5>have time for It's a little bit of a long story,

589
00:30:08.960 --> 00:30:13.839
<v Speaker 5>but so, uh, my dad and Rod were in California

590
00:30:14.039 --> 00:30:16.599
<v Speaker 5>and Rod went into his office and he was picking

591
00:30:16.640 --> 00:30:18.279
<v Speaker 5>up a bunch of mail and they had a mock

592
00:30:18.359 --> 00:30:21.680
<v Speaker 5>up in an advertisement for a like a seven oh seven,

593
00:30:22.160 --> 00:30:25.039
<v Speaker 5>uh you know jet that you could use for filming.

594
00:30:25.559 --> 00:30:28.119
<v Speaker 5>And so my dad had horrible eyesight and he was

595
00:30:28.319 --> 00:30:30.680
<v Speaker 5>not a very great driver. But Rod tossed him the

596
00:30:30.720 --> 00:30:32.200
<v Speaker 5>keys to one of his brand new cars. He says,

597
00:30:32.240 --> 00:30:34.200
<v Speaker 5>you drive, I have an idea. I want to think

598
00:30:34.200 --> 00:30:36.799
<v Speaker 5>about something. That's where it was kind of born from.

599
00:30:36.799 --> 00:30:39.079
<v Speaker 5>And Rod was talking. Rod was talking about, Hey, well

600
00:30:39.079 --> 00:30:41.000
<v Speaker 5>would happened if there was a plane and it picked

601
00:30:41.039 --> 00:30:43.319
<v Speaker 5>up like a freak tailwind, and that tailwind moved him

602
00:30:43.319 --> 00:30:46.160
<v Speaker 5>back in time. And so he was talking to my

603
00:30:46.240 --> 00:30:49.160
<v Speaker 5>dad about this, and my dad you know, kind of

604
00:30:49.200 --> 00:30:51.160
<v Speaker 5>got you know, kind of interested in it, and Rod said,

605
00:30:51.319 --> 00:30:53.519
<v Speaker 5>I really want to make this authentic, So I really

606
00:30:53.599 --> 00:30:57.319
<v Speaker 5>want you to help me with the cockpit dialogue to

607
00:30:57.400 --> 00:31:00.279
<v Speaker 5>make it very accurate. And many pilots who listen to

608
00:31:00.359 --> 00:31:01.640
<v Speaker 5>it at the time said it was one of the

609
00:31:01.640 --> 00:31:04.440
<v Speaker 5>more accurate portrayals of cockpit dialogue. If you go back

610
00:31:04.480 --> 00:31:06.240
<v Speaker 5>and listen to the episode when the pilots and the

611
00:31:06.240 --> 00:31:09.200
<v Speaker 5>copots are talking to each other, they say that that's

612
00:31:09.640 --> 00:31:11.279
<v Speaker 5>that was the part that my dad kind of wrote

613
00:31:11.319 --> 00:31:14.440
<v Speaker 5>with The funny part of the story is years and

614
00:31:14.519 --> 00:31:18.160
<v Speaker 5>years later it became very much like the Serling fish

615
00:31:18.200 --> 00:31:20.319
<v Speaker 5>story because the fish got bigger. First, it was a

616
00:31:20.319 --> 00:31:23.960
<v Speaker 5>collaboration and he got a consultant's credit on the on

617
00:31:24.039 --> 00:31:25.480
<v Speaker 5>the episode, and it was one of the ones that

618
00:31:25.480 --> 00:31:28.200
<v Speaker 5>they worked on together. But then over the course of

619
00:31:28.279 --> 00:31:30.400
<v Speaker 5>you know, by the time my dad was in his nineties,

620
00:31:30.440 --> 00:31:32.599
<v Speaker 5>he co wrote the episode. It was one of those

621
00:31:32.640 --> 00:31:34.359
<v Speaker 5>things where he just you know that the fish story

622
00:31:34.400 --> 00:31:36.599
<v Speaker 5>just got bigger and bigger. The amount of participation he

623
00:31:36.640 --> 00:31:38.440
<v Speaker 5>put in it, but you know, they were able to

624
00:31:38.480 --> 00:31:41.599
<v Speaker 5>collaborate together. They had such an amazing relationship as brothers,

625
00:31:41.640 --> 00:31:43.680
<v Speaker 5>and you know it's something that you know, I have

626
00:31:43.720 --> 00:31:46.000
<v Speaker 5>two sons as well, so putting them in a relationship

627
00:31:46.039 --> 00:31:48.559
<v Speaker 5>where they have, you know, hopefully the type of relationship

628
00:31:48.559 --> 00:31:50.480
<v Speaker 5>that my dad and Rod is something that I've worked

629
00:31:50.519 --> 00:31:52.519
<v Speaker 5>on as a father, and you know, I hope that

630
00:31:52.640 --> 00:31:54.279
<v Speaker 5>they have the relationship.

631
00:31:53.759 --> 00:31:54.240
<v Speaker 4>That they did.

632
00:31:54.279 --> 00:31:56.680
<v Speaker 5>But it was it was a cool story and having

633
00:31:56.799 --> 00:31:59.079
<v Speaker 5>the two of them worked together on a twilet so

634
00:31:59.079 --> 00:32:01.119
<v Speaker 5>so honestly, a fly thirty three If when you go

635
00:32:01.160 --> 00:32:03.680
<v Speaker 5>to the statue, you'll see that the odyssey of Flight

636
00:32:03.720 --> 00:32:06.119
<v Speaker 5>thirty three is what we put in our brick. Yeah,

637
00:32:06.160 --> 00:32:08.160
<v Speaker 5>so that's that's the one that we did, and Flight

638
00:32:08.200 --> 00:32:10.599
<v Speaker 5>thirty three Forever was kind of our family model that

639
00:32:10.640 --> 00:32:12.799
<v Speaker 5>we did for all the bricks. We did a brick

640
00:32:12.839 --> 00:32:15.920
<v Speaker 5>for my family, my wife and my two sons, and

641
00:32:16.119 --> 00:32:18.519
<v Speaker 5>we decided we wanted to do a brick for my grandparents,

642
00:32:18.599 --> 00:32:21.680
<v Speaker 5>so they have a brick there and then my mom

643
00:32:21.720 --> 00:32:23.279
<v Speaker 5>and dad we put a brick for them as well,

644
00:32:23.640 --> 00:32:25.200
<v Speaker 5>and they all have the Flight thirty three se.

645
00:32:25.319 --> 00:32:25.799
<v Speaker 4>Theme on it.

646
00:32:26.000 --> 00:32:28.960
<v Speaker 2>That is beautiful and the big Fish story. I mean,

647
00:32:29.000 --> 00:32:30.640
<v Speaker 2>the older I get, the better I was.

648
00:32:30.759 --> 00:32:34.359
<v Speaker 5>Right, that's exactly correct. But it was so much fun.

649
00:32:34.400 --> 00:32:36.039
<v Speaker 5>And I don't think you ever got a chance to

650
00:32:36.039 --> 00:32:38.279
<v Speaker 5>meet my dad. But like I said, he was a character.

651
00:32:38.599 --> 00:32:41.880
<v Speaker 5>And you know, so much of the two of them

652
00:32:42.039 --> 00:32:44.359
<v Speaker 5>in terms of being brothers and how they worked with

653
00:32:44.440 --> 00:32:46.640
<v Speaker 5>each other and how they supported each other is exactly

654
00:32:46.720 --> 00:32:48.960
<v Speaker 5>how we all hope to raise our kids someday, because

655
00:32:49.079 --> 00:32:51.400
<v Speaker 5>they just had this amazing relationship through life and it

656
00:32:51.440 --> 00:32:51.960
<v Speaker 5>was really.

657
00:32:51.759 --> 00:32:52.279
<v Speaker 4>Cool to see.

658
00:32:52.559 --> 00:32:55.759
<v Speaker 2>But you had so many stories growing.

659
00:32:55.519 --> 00:32:58.319
<v Speaker 5>Up of Dad had a lot of stories. Rod died

660
00:32:58.359 --> 00:33:00.279
<v Speaker 5>when I was two, So like I said, there are

661
00:33:00.319 --> 00:33:03.519
<v Speaker 5>definitely some some pictures of me and we'd go down

662
00:33:03.559 --> 00:33:05.680
<v Speaker 5>to the cottage at kug all the time. But h

663
00:33:06.279 --> 00:33:08.279
<v Speaker 5>but like I said, some of Dad's stories are just

664
00:33:08.359 --> 00:33:11.319
<v Speaker 5>things that they did were just incredible, and like I said,

665
00:33:11.319 --> 00:33:12.839
<v Speaker 5>it's you know, it's the type of thing that you know,

666
00:33:12.920 --> 00:33:14.519
<v Speaker 5>this is why we like to come to curling fast

667
00:33:14.559 --> 00:33:17.319
<v Speaker 5>and tell stories and get people to understand that.

668
00:33:17.799 --> 00:33:19.759
<v Speaker 4>You know, Rod Surly was more than the guy in

669
00:33:19.759 --> 00:33:20.799
<v Speaker 4>front of the television.

670
00:33:20.880 --> 00:33:24.400
<v Speaker 5>He was he was he was a father, husband, you know,

671
00:33:24.440 --> 00:33:27.920
<v Speaker 5>a friend and you know, anybody who met him probably

672
00:33:27.920 --> 00:33:31.839
<v Speaker 5>has more stories that are funny than stories about his writing.

673
00:33:31.920 --> 00:33:33.400
<v Speaker 4>It's just that's the type of guy he was.

674
00:33:33.880 --> 00:33:35.519
<v Speaker 2>Well, I can tell you like to live on the edge.

675
00:33:35.519 --> 00:33:37.279
<v Speaker 2>Because you got somebody with bad eyesight and you throw

676
00:33:37.319 --> 00:33:37.839
<v Speaker 2>them your car.

677
00:33:37.799 --> 00:33:40.519
<v Speaker 4>Keys, you'r got shocked.

678
00:33:40.599 --> 00:33:42.039
<v Speaker 5>It was a brand new car too. That was the

679
00:33:42.039 --> 00:33:44.440
<v Speaker 5>one thing my dad used to say. The only thing

680
00:33:44.480 --> 00:33:46.720
<v Speaker 5>he was ever jealous is Rod had a new car

681
00:33:46.799 --> 00:33:49.720
<v Speaker 5>like every other year, just because he was he was

682
00:33:49.759 --> 00:33:52.559
<v Speaker 5>able to and so and Rod loved collecting cars. And

683
00:33:52.799 --> 00:33:55.200
<v Speaker 5>you know, my grandfather loved it too, I mean so

684
00:33:55.319 --> 00:33:58.039
<v Speaker 5>much so that he bought for the house in Bennett's.

685
00:33:57.519 --> 00:33:59.279
<v Speaker 4>Which if you've ever driven by there is a really

686
00:33:59.319 --> 00:33:59.720
<v Speaker 4>small one.

687
00:34:00.039 --> 00:34:04.759
<v Speaker 5>He bought like a like an osmobile that barely fit,

688
00:34:05.240 --> 00:34:09.599
<v Speaker 5>so they couldn't get their bikes in. So my grandfather

689
00:34:09.639 --> 00:34:12.639
<v Speaker 5>built a Pulley system so that when they rode their bikes,

690
00:34:12.800 --> 00:34:15.039
<v Speaker 5>it would go on a ramp up above the car

691
00:34:15.639 --> 00:34:18.039
<v Speaker 5>and that they could move their bikes around and then

692
00:34:18.079 --> 00:34:18.920
<v Speaker 5>get them down again.

693
00:34:19.159 --> 00:34:20.679
<v Speaker 4>So that was something that he did.

694
00:34:20.760 --> 00:34:23.599
<v Speaker 5>Because he had such a huge car, there was no

695
00:34:23.639 --> 00:34:25.079
<v Speaker 5>way to get off to the side.

696
00:34:25.119 --> 00:34:27.360
<v Speaker 2>You couldn't get the bikes in Oh, that's incredible. So

697
00:34:27.400 --> 00:34:29.960
<v Speaker 2>I'm almost thinking of like et the bike lifting off

698
00:34:29.960 --> 00:34:31.199
<v Speaker 2>the ground.

699
00:34:30.679 --> 00:34:34.280
<v Speaker 5>Of It's kind of well, my grandfather was a was

700
00:34:34.320 --> 00:34:35.639
<v Speaker 5>an aspiring engineer.

701
00:34:35.679 --> 00:34:37.039
<v Speaker 4>He always wanted to be an engineer, so he was

702
00:34:37.079 --> 00:34:38.199
<v Speaker 4>always tinkering with things.

703
00:34:38.199 --> 00:34:39.840
<v Speaker 5>And so my dad used to tell a lot of

704
00:34:39.840 --> 00:34:43.519
<v Speaker 5>different stories about things my grandfather built or things that

705
00:34:43.559 --> 00:34:46.280
<v Speaker 5>he was able to work on. He worked on the

706
00:34:46.280 --> 00:34:48.920
<v Speaker 5>panel and he and my grandmother were worked on the

707
00:34:48.960 --> 00:34:50.880
<v Speaker 5>Panama Canal. I don't know if people know that. Oh,

708
00:34:50.920 --> 00:34:53.519
<v Speaker 5>that's amazing. Yeah, yeah, and my grandmother were I believe

709
00:34:53.519 --> 00:34:55.920
<v Speaker 5>they were part of the Peace Corps. But they worked

710
00:34:55.920 --> 00:35:00.360
<v Speaker 5>on the Panama Canal in the mid nineteen or nineteen sixteen,

711
00:35:00.440 --> 00:35:03.840
<v Speaker 5>nineteen seventeen, they came back because she was pregnant having

712
00:35:04.920 --> 00:35:06.519
<v Speaker 5>with my dad, and.

713
00:35:06.280 --> 00:35:07.000
<v Speaker 4>They came back.

714
00:35:07.039 --> 00:35:09.079
<v Speaker 5>And if you go to Ellis Island, which we went

715
00:35:09.119 --> 00:35:11.440
<v Speaker 5>to New York a couple of years ago before surling Fest,

716
00:35:11.719 --> 00:35:15.079
<v Speaker 5>you can see their entry back into the US from Panama.

717
00:35:15.360 --> 00:35:16.880
<v Speaker 5>So you can go look up the Surlings, and you

718
00:35:16.880 --> 00:35:18.519
<v Speaker 5>can go look up Sam and Ester and when they

719
00:35:18.519 --> 00:35:19.559
<v Speaker 5>came back into the US.

720
00:35:19.960 --> 00:35:20.719
<v Speaker 4>So it's kind of cool.

721
00:35:20.760 --> 00:35:24.559
<v Speaker 2>That is absolutely amazing. Yeah, Well, it's great to great

722
00:35:24.599 --> 00:35:26.599
<v Speaker 2>to meet you, and I think this has been a wonderful,

723
00:35:27.039 --> 00:35:30.280
<v Speaker 2>wonderful interview and I look forward to seeing you again absolutely.

724
00:35:30.320 --> 00:35:33.880
<v Speaker 4>Thank you, appreciate it, thank you, good to see it. Yeah.

725
00:35:37.360 --> 00:35:41.159
<v Speaker 2>I am here with Tony Albarella. Surling Fest twenty twenty five. Tony,

726
00:35:41.199 --> 00:35:42.000
<v Speaker 2>how's it going this year?

727
00:35:42.039 --> 00:35:43.880
<v Speaker 8>Great chat, Great to see you again. We had a

728
00:35:43.920 --> 00:35:46.599
<v Speaker 8>great time last year doing the book signing together and

729
00:35:46.599 --> 00:35:48.960
<v Speaker 8>then sirling Fest and doing it all over again this year.

730
00:35:48.960 --> 00:35:50.800
<v Speaker 2>It's nice to have you with us. Absolutely. So this

731
00:35:50.880 --> 00:35:53.800
<v Speaker 2>year's theme is Serling, Rod Serling in his own words.

732
00:35:53.800 --> 00:35:56.000
<v Speaker 2>Can you tell me a little bitout how that theme.

733
00:35:55.840 --> 00:35:58.320
<v Speaker 8>Can just developed as a theme because we definitely wanted to.

734
00:35:58.639 --> 00:36:00.960
<v Speaker 8>I mean, we always present the that wrote things that

735
00:36:01.079 --> 00:36:02.880
<v Speaker 8>Rod said, but we wanted to really do an extra

736
00:36:03.000 --> 00:36:07.199
<v Speaker 8>special focus this year just on his so much of

737
00:36:07.239 --> 00:36:09.519
<v Speaker 8>what he did in speeches and what he did in

738
00:36:09.519 --> 00:36:13.800
<v Speaker 8>interviews because the man, you know, everybody has access to

739
00:36:14.039 --> 00:36:15.880
<v Speaker 8>the stuff that he wrote, the stuff that was produced.

740
00:36:16.159 --> 00:36:19.079
<v Speaker 8>They can determine his voice and his politics and everything

741
00:36:19.079 --> 00:36:23.559
<v Speaker 8>else from what he wrote. But in particular, he was

742
00:36:23.559 --> 00:36:25.719
<v Speaker 8>such an intellectual man. He's such a well spoken man.

743
00:36:25.760 --> 00:36:29.559
<v Speaker 8>It's a grate vocabulary and such a wonderful interview subject

744
00:36:29.599 --> 00:36:32.079
<v Speaker 8>that we really wanted to focus on some of his

745
00:36:32.639 --> 00:36:35.039
<v Speaker 8>non filmed work and bring that out for people who

746
00:36:35.119 --> 00:36:36.159
<v Speaker 8>might not be familiar with it.

747
00:36:36.400 --> 00:36:38.639
<v Speaker 2>And it seems like an unofficial theme is sort of

748
00:36:38.679 --> 00:36:42.559
<v Speaker 2>like Serlings. How relevant Serling's work is today and for

749
00:36:42.639 --> 00:36:43.159
<v Speaker 2>what's happened.

750
00:36:43.239 --> 00:36:45.800
<v Speaker 8>I think that just kind of generated organically because this

751
00:36:45.920 --> 00:36:48.679
<v Speaker 8>stuff that he wrote is kind of is kind of timeless.

752
00:36:48.679 --> 00:36:50.800
<v Speaker 8>There's a lot of it that, you know, like Michael

753
00:36:51.840 --> 00:36:54.400
<v Speaker 8>I said in an interview last night for The Loaner,

754
00:36:54.840 --> 00:36:58.199
<v Speaker 8>he was writing about eighteen sixty five and the Civil

755
00:36:58.239 --> 00:37:00.400
<v Speaker 8>War and the divisive country coming together in the wake

756
00:37:00.440 --> 00:37:02.800
<v Speaker 8>of war, and he was writing this in nineteen sixty five,

757
00:37:02.800 --> 00:37:04.639
<v Speaker 8>where a lot of the same stuff was going on

758
00:37:04.679 --> 00:37:07.159
<v Speaker 8>with the civil rights movement and that kind of thing.

759
00:37:07.280 --> 00:37:09.559
<v Speaker 2>So so much of his so much.

760
00:37:09.400 --> 00:37:11.360
<v Speaker 8>Of history is cyclical, so so much of his work

761
00:37:11.440 --> 00:37:14.440
<v Speaker 8>is timeless. It really applies to all errors, and it

762
00:37:14.480 --> 00:37:16.199
<v Speaker 8>just seems to keep coming up and up and up

763
00:37:16.239 --> 00:37:18.360
<v Speaker 8>over and over again. Things that we think we got

764
00:37:18.400 --> 00:37:20.440
<v Speaker 8>resolved or that we made some progress on seemed to

765
00:37:20.440 --> 00:37:23.880
<v Speaker 8>fall back, and it just it always comes around again,

766
00:37:23.920 --> 00:37:26.599
<v Speaker 8>and we're at a particular high point right now, our

767
00:37:26.679 --> 00:37:29.800
<v Speaker 8>low point right now, where things that he said really

768
00:37:29.840 --> 00:37:33.519
<v Speaker 8>seemed to be prescient. So I don't really know, other

769
00:37:33.559 --> 00:37:39.079
<v Speaker 8>than Mark Olschenker's Library of Congress presentation that he just did,

770
00:37:39.360 --> 00:37:41.320
<v Speaker 8>I don't think any of it was planned to be,

771
00:37:41.519 --> 00:37:45.840
<v Speaker 8>you know, overtly showing lots more political side, but just

772
00:37:45.880 --> 00:37:48.880
<v Speaker 8>the fact that we are highlighting so many of his

773
00:37:48.880 --> 00:37:53.039
<v Speaker 8>his his spoken word things, his his interviews and editorials

774
00:37:53.039 --> 00:37:55.559
<v Speaker 8>he wrote, and things of that nature. So much of

775
00:37:55.559 --> 00:37:58.760
<v Speaker 8>that comes out and really is applicable right now and.

776
00:37:58.880 --> 00:38:00.920
<v Speaker 2>From this side of the stage, and really feel that.

777
00:38:01.039 --> 00:38:03.039
<v Speaker 2>And you introduced the loaner last night. Is there are

778
00:38:03.039 --> 00:38:05.760
<v Speaker 2>any any of the presentations you're really looking forward to

779
00:38:05.840 --> 00:38:07.199
<v Speaker 2>this year or anything that you're.

780
00:38:07.400 --> 00:38:10.280
<v Speaker 8>Actually looking forward to the majority of them, because even

781
00:38:10.280 --> 00:38:11.840
<v Speaker 8>though I did the tech for some of them, and

782
00:38:11.880 --> 00:38:13.639
<v Speaker 8>I received some of the files that people were going

783
00:38:13.719 --> 00:38:15.960
<v Speaker 8>to run, I purposely just tested them and didn't even

784
00:38:16.639 --> 00:38:18.480
<v Speaker 8>look at them, or because I wanted to. I wanted

785
00:38:18.480 --> 00:38:20.639
<v Speaker 8>to see and hear them in context. I wanted our

786
00:38:20.639 --> 00:38:22.559
<v Speaker 8>presenters to. I wanted to be a part of the

787
00:38:22.559 --> 00:38:25.679
<v Speaker 8>audience when the presenters introduced the clips and all. So

788
00:38:25.679 --> 00:38:27.800
<v Speaker 8>so all of it was gonna other than my own.

789
00:38:27.960 --> 00:38:30.320
<v Speaker 8>Was was new to me and so far has been

790
00:38:30.320 --> 00:38:33.239
<v Speaker 8>new to me, and I wanted to experience it that way,

791
00:38:33.320 --> 00:38:34.239
<v Speaker 8>just like you guys.

792
00:38:34.360 --> 00:38:36.159
<v Speaker 2>How do you balance the stress of having to be

793
00:38:36.239 --> 00:38:39.559
<v Speaker 2>the technician and make all the things operations go and

794
00:38:39.599 --> 00:38:40.480
<v Speaker 2>also enjoy it?

795
00:38:40.519 --> 00:38:43.280
<v Speaker 8>You know, you just roll with it and you you know,

796
00:38:43.360 --> 00:38:44.920
<v Speaker 8>you can deal with the problems as they come up.

797
00:38:44.960 --> 00:38:48.320
<v Speaker 8>It's it's inevitable happens on this level of you know, production,

798
00:38:48.480 --> 00:38:49.960
<v Speaker 8>so we just roll with it.

799
00:38:50.079 --> 00:38:52.239
<v Speaker 2>Well, it's kind of like the trouble of being Santa

800
00:38:52.239 --> 00:38:54.440
<v Speaker 2>Claus instead of being the kid that gets it right.

801
00:38:54.519 --> 00:38:55.760
<v Speaker 8>You get to see that, you get to see the

802
00:38:55.840 --> 00:38:56.480
<v Speaker 8>yells in action.

803
00:38:57.039 --> 00:38:59.280
<v Speaker 2>Well, we're lucky enough to be tabling right next to

804
00:38:59.280 --> 00:39:02.280
<v Speaker 2>you and you've got some absolutely beautiful hardback books. Can

805
00:39:02.320 --> 00:39:03.519
<v Speaker 2>you tell us a little bit? Thank you?

806
00:39:03.559 --> 00:39:07.199
<v Speaker 8>Thank you so much. Yeah, the Timeless Infinity series was

807
00:39:07.639 --> 00:39:10.039
<v Speaker 8>a wonderful thing to be involved with. And this is

808
00:39:10.320 --> 00:39:12.800
<v Speaker 8>the production in ten volumes and then an eleventh best

809
00:39:12.840 --> 00:39:16.679
<v Speaker 8>of paperback version. This was put up a Gauntlet Press

810
00:39:16.719 --> 00:39:19.079
<v Speaker 8>from two thousand and three, I believe it was till

811
00:39:19.480 --> 00:39:20.960
<v Speaker 8>and put out one a year. So we did that

812
00:39:21.559 --> 00:39:23.599
<v Speaker 8>project for ten years, and I was working on it

813
00:39:23.599 --> 00:39:26.239
<v Speaker 8>for about twelve because I was interviewing so many of

814
00:39:26.280 --> 00:39:28.400
<v Speaker 8>the people that were still alive at the time and

815
00:39:29.039 --> 00:39:34.280
<v Speaker 8>involved in the series, actors, directors, producers, directors. Just because

816
00:39:34.280 --> 00:39:36.719
<v Speaker 8>I had Carolyn Serling's involvement in it, I had so

817
00:39:36.719 --> 00:39:39.360
<v Speaker 8>many doors open up to me and had the great

818
00:39:39.400 --> 00:39:41.199
<v Speaker 8>pleasure of being able to interview so many of those

819
00:39:41.239 --> 00:39:44.880
<v Speaker 8>people and frame Rod's original scripts. But that's what the

820
00:39:44.920 --> 00:39:46.960
<v Speaker 8>series is. It's all ninety two of the scripts that

821
00:39:47.039 --> 00:39:49.760
<v Speaker 8>Rod wrote for the Twilight Zone. And I'm very thankful

822
00:39:49.800 --> 00:39:51.800
<v Speaker 8>to Galtlet Press for sticking with that project and being

823
00:39:51.840 --> 00:39:53.639
<v Speaker 8>able to do that. It's a hell of a commitment.

824
00:39:54.000 --> 00:39:57.800
<v Speaker 8>You know, a big hardcover, signed volume that's not cheap.

825
00:39:57.840 --> 00:40:00.679
<v Speaker 8>You know they retail for sixty dollars apiece. That's not

826
00:40:00.719 --> 00:40:02.440
<v Speaker 8>a great commit That's not an easy commitment for a

827
00:40:02.440 --> 00:40:04.760
<v Speaker 8>publisher to make. And they did, and they stuck with it,

828
00:40:04.840 --> 00:40:07.280
<v Speaker 8>and it took us ten years, but we were able

829
00:40:07.320 --> 00:40:09.360
<v Speaker 8>to get every single one of Rod's scripts out there,

830
00:40:09.400 --> 00:40:11.960
<v Speaker 8>and the ability to go through them and edit them

831
00:40:12.000 --> 00:40:14.480
<v Speaker 8>and put some lost things in the books, or not

832
00:40:14.559 --> 00:40:17.679
<v Speaker 8>lost things, but things that people just didn't know existed

833
00:40:17.480 --> 00:40:20.360
<v Speaker 8>into those books and get that out to you know,

834
00:40:20.400 --> 00:40:22.079
<v Speaker 8>the reading public who might want to see it. Was

835
00:40:22.159 --> 00:40:24.039
<v Speaker 8>just a great, great privilege of mine.

836
00:40:24.199 --> 00:40:26.400
<v Speaker 2>Well, it's amazing that that happened. I mean, was it

837
00:40:26.440 --> 00:40:28.920
<v Speaker 2>a long process of getting them getting this?

838
00:40:29.400 --> 00:40:33.079
<v Speaker 8>Not really no. I previously had originally started writing by

839
00:40:33.119 --> 00:40:35.840
<v Speaker 8>doing an article on Earl Hamner because he was what

840
00:40:36.239 --> 00:40:38.440
<v Speaker 8>we titled the forgotten Twilight Zone writer. He became so

841
00:40:38.800 --> 00:40:41.119
<v Speaker 8>popular for the Waltons that and so well known for

842
00:40:41.199 --> 00:40:42.840
<v Speaker 8>the for the Waltons and some of his other work

843
00:40:42.880 --> 00:40:45.199
<v Speaker 8>that people didn't even realize that he got his start

844
00:40:45.440 --> 00:40:47.920
<v Speaker 8>on The Twilet Zone writing eight episodes for the series

845
00:40:48.199 --> 00:40:51.079
<v Speaker 8>because he had known Rod and when Earl himself was

846
00:40:51.199 --> 00:40:53.679
<v Speaker 8>a novelist. But when he came to California to break

847
00:40:53.679 --> 00:40:56.280
<v Speaker 8>into television, he found out that it didn't matter how

848
00:40:56.280 --> 00:40:58.079
<v Speaker 8>many books, so how many best selling books you might

849
00:40:58.079 --> 00:40:59.719
<v Speaker 8>have written, you need to have you need to have

850
00:40:59.719 --> 00:41:01.519
<v Speaker 8>televi and credits, so you weren't going to break into

851
00:41:01.519 --> 00:41:04.559
<v Speaker 8>the business. So he called Rod up, and Rod bought

852
00:41:04.559 --> 00:41:06.400
<v Speaker 8>a couple of his stories and let him adapt a

853
00:41:06.400 --> 00:41:09.159
<v Speaker 8>couple of stories for Twilight Zone. Not because Rod knew him,

854
00:41:09.199 --> 00:41:12.159
<v Speaker 8>but because Rod liked the stories and and so that's

855
00:41:12.199 --> 00:41:14.400
<v Speaker 8>how that's how we're all got his break, but a

856
00:41:14.440 --> 00:41:16.320
<v Speaker 8>lot of people aren't aware of that part of his career.

857
00:41:16.440 --> 00:41:19.320
<v Speaker 8>So I wrote that article on an interviewed Earl, and

858
00:41:19.320 --> 00:41:22.679
<v Speaker 8>then that started a friendship with with Earl Hamner between

859
00:41:22.679 --> 00:41:24.880
<v Speaker 8>myself and my whole family that we really cherished until

860
00:41:24.880 --> 00:41:28.760
<v Speaker 8>the day he died. And it was Earl himself was suggested, well,

861
00:41:28.760 --> 00:41:30.159
<v Speaker 8>why don't we put these scripts out in a book

862
00:41:30.159 --> 00:41:32.960
<v Speaker 8>because they're already had a publisher. So I was more

863
00:41:33.039 --> 00:41:35.480
<v Speaker 8>than happy to do that. We worked out a process

864
00:41:35.519 --> 00:41:38.079
<v Speaker 8>and you know, I interviewed him exclusive interview through him

865
00:41:38.599 --> 00:41:41.679
<v Speaker 8>for the book, and then I had been interviewing people

866
00:41:41.679 --> 00:41:44.280
<v Speaker 8>I could find and actors and directors and people that

867
00:41:44.320 --> 00:41:48.159
<v Speaker 8>were in his episodes. And we released that book of

868
00:41:48.159 --> 00:41:50.920
<v Speaker 8>his eight scripts with my kind of commentary to support

869
00:41:50.960 --> 00:41:53.159
<v Speaker 8>it from from the interviews that I had and that

870
00:41:53.199 --> 00:41:55.519
<v Speaker 8>had already been out. And when Gauntlet saw that and

871
00:41:55.559 --> 00:41:58.159
<v Speaker 8>also knew that through the foundation, I knew Carol Serling.

872
00:41:58.199 --> 00:42:00.800
<v Speaker 8>They put two and two together, and so I wonder

873
00:42:00.800 --> 00:42:03.039
<v Speaker 8>if it'd be if Caarrol would be interested in doing

874
00:42:03.079 --> 00:42:06.280
<v Speaker 8>this for Rod's scripts, and so they approached me and

875
00:42:06.320 --> 00:42:08.039
<v Speaker 8>I approached her. She was happy to do and I

876
00:42:08.079 --> 00:42:10.159
<v Speaker 8>was certainly happy to do it, so that one happened

877
00:42:10.239 --> 00:42:12.800
<v Speaker 8>kind of quickly because that groundwork was already laid.

878
00:42:14.679 --> 00:42:17.639
<v Speaker 2>The hardbacks are absolutely looks like a museum. It looks

879
00:42:17.679 --> 00:42:19.239
<v Speaker 2>like something that should be in a museum. How about

880
00:42:19.239 --> 00:42:21.599
<v Speaker 2>the artwork for the covers, was that as.

881
00:42:21.440 --> 00:42:23.599
<v Speaker 8>An artist, an in house artist that works for I

882
00:42:23.599 --> 00:42:25.559
<v Speaker 8>don't know if I don't think it's exclusively what he does,

883
00:42:25.599 --> 00:42:28.119
<v Speaker 8>but it's an artist named Harry O. Morris who works

884
00:42:28.159 --> 00:42:30.360
<v Speaker 8>for Barry Hoffmann a Garnlet Press, and does a lot

885
00:42:30.360 --> 00:42:33.360
<v Speaker 8>of his covers, and yeah, he's a very talented artist.

886
00:42:33.400 --> 00:42:35.559
<v Speaker 8>In fact, I'd edited a couple of things with Richard

887
00:42:35.599 --> 00:42:39.199
<v Speaker 8>Madison because Madison was also heavily involved with Gauntlet. Garanlet

888
00:42:39.239 --> 00:42:41.559
<v Speaker 8>brought out a lot of lost Mathison stuff, a lot

889
00:42:41.559 --> 00:42:44.199
<v Speaker 8>of stories and scripts that you know, had never been

890
00:42:44.199 --> 00:42:47.639
<v Speaker 8>published before. And I don't remember the total of how

891
00:42:47.639 --> 00:42:51.760
<v Speaker 8>many different Gauntlet books Richard Madison ended up doing with Gauntlet,

892
00:42:51.800 --> 00:42:56.559
<v Speaker 8>But Richard really really loved Harry's work and had him

893
00:42:56.559 --> 00:42:58.679
<v Speaker 8>do all of his covers, and luckily and we were

894
00:42:58.719 --> 00:42:59.960
<v Speaker 8>able to get him for his time with his fit

895
00:43:00.199 --> 00:43:01.960
<v Speaker 8>me too, because it's a little tricky. You know, we

896
00:43:02.000 --> 00:43:05.039
<v Speaker 8>try to try to put one element from this series.

897
00:43:05.079 --> 00:43:06.880
<v Speaker 8>You know, you've got the eyeball, the door, all that stuff.

898
00:43:06.880 --> 00:43:09.119
<v Speaker 8>You tried to try to spread that out over ten

899
00:43:09.159 --> 00:43:12.360
<v Speaker 8>volumes and it's not easy to do without a getting redundant.

900
00:43:12.400 --> 00:43:15.440
<v Speaker 8>So Harryo did a lot of passes of colors and

901
00:43:16.000 --> 00:43:18.239
<v Speaker 8>elements and really put his own stamp on it.

902
00:43:18.639 --> 00:43:21.559
<v Speaker 2>Well, the finished product is amazing. Any favorite Hamner scripts

903
00:43:22.280 --> 00:43:23.519
<v Speaker 2>or episodes of yours.

904
00:43:23.719 --> 00:43:26.920
<v Speaker 8>I know, my favorite Hamner script I would say probably

905
00:43:26.960 --> 00:43:29.840
<v Speaker 8>The Hunt, but it's but very closely behind that is

906
00:43:29.960 --> 00:43:31.800
<v Speaker 8>Jess bell I just I just love his.

907
00:43:31.800 --> 00:43:34.559
<v Speaker 2>Dialogue in that it is a beautifully shot one of

908
00:43:34.599 --> 00:43:35.039
<v Speaker 2>the one.

909
00:43:34.920 --> 00:43:37.079
<v Speaker 8>Of the better hour longs, of which there aren't that

910
00:43:37.119 --> 00:43:39.760
<v Speaker 8>many that you would really include in your top Twilight zones,

911
00:43:39.800 --> 00:43:41.280
<v Speaker 8>but I do love that one.

912
00:43:41.480 --> 00:43:43.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm with you on that. So yeah. Any last

913
00:43:43.400 --> 00:43:45.320
<v Speaker 2>thoughts for our Serling Fest twenty five.

914
00:43:45.960 --> 00:43:47.960
<v Speaker 8>I'm just so happy that we're doing it again, and

915
00:43:48.239 --> 00:43:50.440
<v Speaker 8>hopefully we plan on we're going to do a little

916
00:43:50.440 --> 00:43:52.360
<v Speaker 8>post mortem on this and make sure we want to

917
00:43:52.400 --> 00:43:54.639
<v Speaker 8>continue to do it in person every year. There's some

918
00:43:54.679 --> 00:43:56.639
<v Speaker 8>debate as to whether or not we'll do it, you know,

919
00:43:56.679 --> 00:44:00.360
<v Speaker 8>alternately in person and virtual, but hopefully we do it

920
00:44:00.400 --> 00:44:04.039
<v Speaker 8>in person again and time will tell. But I'm really

921
00:44:04.079 --> 00:44:05.840
<v Speaker 8>really happy to have you guys show up again and

922
00:44:06.000 --> 00:44:08.079
<v Speaker 8>all the people who came, just grateful to you all.

923
00:44:08.280 --> 00:44:10.119
<v Speaker 2>Oh, we love to be here. This is just unlike

924
00:44:10.159 --> 00:44:12.559
<v Speaker 2>any other type of convention. It's not like thousands and

925
00:44:12.599 --> 00:44:15.440
<v Speaker 2>thousands of you know, different things happening. It's not a

926
00:44:15.480 --> 00:44:18.079
<v Speaker 2>free ring circus. It's very focused and it's very much

927
00:44:18.920 --> 00:44:21.800
<v Speaker 2>like a you feel like you know your people every.

928
00:44:21.920 --> 00:44:23.800
<v Speaker 8>Absolutely, and it kind of hits all the buttons too.

929
00:44:23.800 --> 00:44:26.239
<v Speaker 8>It's not it's not fan service totally, and it's not

930
00:44:26.360 --> 00:44:29.320
<v Speaker 8>totally intellectual. It's it's a nice mix of both with

931
00:44:29.360 --> 00:44:31.280
<v Speaker 8>the presentations that are in it and the people who

932
00:44:31.320 --> 00:44:31.679
<v Speaker 8>show up.

933
00:44:31.719 --> 00:44:33.119
<v Speaker 2>Like you said, we just.

934
00:44:33.159 --> 00:44:34.840
<v Speaker 8>Wish Tom could make it every year, but I know

935
00:44:34.880 --> 00:44:36.239
<v Speaker 8>that's that's a heck of a trip for him.

936
00:44:36.280 --> 00:44:38.199
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we're giving him a little audio so he can

937
00:44:38.239 --> 00:44:40.199
<v Speaker 2>do something with this. And it's brought people from all

938
00:44:40.239 --> 00:44:41.960
<v Speaker 2>over the world. I met someone from Australia.

939
00:44:41.960 --> 00:44:42.239
<v Speaker 4>Today.

940
00:44:42.559 --> 00:44:45.519
<v Speaker 8>Yeah, I think we had we had I believe you.

941
00:44:45.559 --> 00:44:46.960
<v Speaker 8>I know we had counted out. I believe we had

942
00:44:47.000 --> 00:44:50.360
<v Speaker 8>three different countries besides the US, represented this weekend. So

943
00:44:50.360 --> 00:44:51.320
<v Speaker 8>that's that's pretty amazing.

944
00:44:51.440 --> 00:44:53.199
<v Speaker 2>It is amazing. It's also amazing that I think it

945
00:44:53.239 --> 00:44:54.639
<v Speaker 2>took me as long to get here as it took

946
00:44:54.679 --> 00:44:57.079
<v Speaker 2>the Australia guy because I took some wrong turns I

947
00:44:57.079 --> 00:44:57.679
<v Speaker 2>don't know how to use.

948
00:44:57.719 --> 00:44:59.719
<v Speaker 8>It's not very surprising.

949
00:44:59.360 --> 00:45:01.920
<v Speaker 2>Unbelievable, very surprising, but I'm an idiot. No, we can't

950
00:45:01.960 --> 00:45:04.719
<v Speaker 2>go out on anything better than that. This is the

951
00:45:04.760 --> 00:45:06.119
<v Speaker 2>perfect fish.

952
00:45:07.159 --> 00:45:08.840
<v Speaker 1>But you take it as you wanted.

953
00:45:09.440 --> 00:45:12.800
<v Speaker 2>Wonderful. This is fantastic as always, Tony. It's always great

954
00:45:12.800 --> 00:45:13.280
<v Speaker 2>to see you.

955
00:45:13.360 --> 00:45:13.639
<v Speaker 3>Thanks.

956
00:45:13.840 --> 00:45:14.920
<v Speaker 8>I appreciate it all right.

957
00:45:17.119 --> 00:45:20.800
<v Speaker 3>So, unfortunately a technical hitch meant that the first part

958
00:45:20.960 --> 00:45:25.119
<v Speaker 3>of this interview isn't available. Well, hopefully you will recognize

959
00:45:25.119 --> 00:45:28.880
<v Speaker 3>the voice because this is the voice of Joseph Doherty,

960
00:45:29.400 --> 00:45:33.800
<v Speaker 3>who wrote Rod Sailing Get one hundred one writer's acknowledgment,

961
00:45:33.880 --> 00:45:37.000
<v Speaker 3>and you gave a great interview here on the Twilight

962
00:45:37.079 --> 00:45:40.480
<v Speaker 3>Zone podcast. So let's go over to Chad's chat with

963
00:45:40.639 --> 00:45:41.559
<v Speaker 3>Joseph Doherty.

964
00:45:42.440 --> 00:45:44.480
<v Speaker 2>Now, now you have the days of streaming, but there

965
00:45:44.519 --> 00:45:47.199
<v Speaker 2>was something about staying up late, not knowing what was

966
00:45:47.239 --> 00:45:47.519
<v Speaker 2>going to.

967
00:45:47.519 --> 00:45:49.920
<v Speaker 9>Be on and having to see it when it was

968
00:45:49.960 --> 00:45:52.440
<v Speaker 9>on exactly if you didn't, it would just go away.

969
00:45:52.960 --> 00:45:55.440
<v Speaker 2>So what was what was the zeitgeist like at that time?

970
00:45:55.480 --> 00:45:58.039
<v Speaker 2>What was the reaction of your friends and felt like?

971
00:45:58.079 --> 00:46:00.719
<v Speaker 2>What was the reaction people were having during this first

972
00:46:00.840 --> 00:46:02.000
<v Speaker 2>run of the series.

973
00:46:02.400 --> 00:46:05.199
<v Speaker 9>My memory of it basically was that if you realized

974
00:46:05.239 --> 00:46:07.800
<v Speaker 9>it was something that was like nothing else that was

975
00:46:07.880 --> 00:46:10.440
<v Speaker 9>speaking to you directly because it was at the time.

976
00:46:10.480 --> 00:46:12.280
<v Speaker 9>You also have to remember that at the time science

977
00:46:12.280 --> 00:46:17.159
<v Speaker 9>fiction was not really anywhere near as respected as it

978
00:46:17.199 --> 00:46:21.440
<v Speaker 9>is today. It was considered kid stuff, which is one

979
00:46:21.440 --> 00:46:22.920
<v Speaker 9>of the reasons he was able to do the show

980
00:46:22.960 --> 00:46:25.679
<v Speaker 9>the way he did and talk about what he wanted

981
00:46:25.679 --> 00:46:29.760
<v Speaker 9>to talk about without upsetting sponsors who were rather literal

982
00:46:29.800 --> 00:46:30.400
<v Speaker 9>minded people.

983
00:46:31.079 --> 00:46:33.920
<v Speaker 2>And do you think those messages got through. Absolutely.

984
00:46:34.280 --> 00:46:36.039
<v Speaker 9>I think the fact, the very fact that we're sitting

985
00:46:36.039 --> 00:46:38.559
<v Speaker 9>here talking about it is it has to do with

986
00:46:40.639 --> 00:46:46.239
<v Speaker 9>why the impact he's had. It's just that we still

987
00:46:46.280 --> 00:46:50.119
<v Speaker 9>talk about it. And I think we're up to now

988
00:46:50.400 --> 00:46:54.199
<v Speaker 9>easily three, possibly four generations of writers who have been

989
00:46:54.239 --> 00:46:59.000
<v Speaker 9>inspired in some shape or another by his view of

990
00:46:59.679 --> 00:47:05.880
<v Speaker 9>of drama. They never wrote, you never wrote an insincere word.

991
00:47:07.079 --> 00:47:10.559
<v Speaker 2>It's life. And do you think that he shaped the medium?

992
00:47:11.079 --> 00:47:11.280
<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

993
00:47:11.320 --> 00:47:13.440
<v Speaker 9>I think you could make an argument that Rod Serling

994
00:47:13.519 --> 00:47:17.760
<v Speaker 9>is the first showrunner. Before then, you had hosts of

995
00:47:17.800 --> 00:47:23.559
<v Speaker 9>antology shows, but they usually were just that hosts. Alfred

996
00:47:23.639 --> 00:47:26.760
<v Speaker 9>Hitchcock didn't write any of the Alfred Hitchcock Resents. But

997
00:47:26.840 --> 00:47:29.000
<v Speaker 9>here here was the guy who wrote the show as

998
00:47:29.000 --> 00:47:32.639
<v Speaker 9>a prime and produced them, and he was presenting them

999
00:47:32.639 --> 00:47:36.320
<v Speaker 9>to us. I think you I don't think you get

1000
00:47:36.400 --> 00:47:41.760
<v Speaker 9>Roddenberry and people like that without without the control that

1001
00:47:41.840 --> 00:47:44.639
<v Speaker 9>Serling had, and at least Twilight zoned.

1002
00:47:44.519 --> 00:47:47.679
<v Speaker 2>Him, and so he really started the show runners for

1003
00:47:47.760 --> 00:47:50.400
<v Speaker 2>somebody that doesn't know, like what what is the showrunners?

1004
00:47:52.199 --> 00:47:54.559
<v Speaker 9>There are as many ways to do it as there

1005
00:47:54.559 --> 00:48:00.239
<v Speaker 9>are shows, but primarily you're the guiding vision it this.

1006
00:48:00.480 --> 00:48:04.679
<v Speaker 9>You know, you're talking to writers, you're shaping it. With writers,

1007
00:48:04.760 --> 00:48:07.639
<v Speaker 9>you're you're laying it. Go off and find their own path.

1008
00:48:07.679 --> 00:48:11.440
<v Speaker 9>But then you help them. You're watching everything. You're on

1009
00:48:11.519 --> 00:48:14.320
<v Speaker 9>the stage, you're looking at the cuts. You're the final

1010
00:48:14.360 --> 00:48:17.360
<v Speaker 9>cut before the studio sees it. It becomes your vision.

1011
00:48:17.440 --> 00:48:20.360
<v Speaker 9>It's it's you're allowed to do your vision. It's it's

1012
00:48:21.039 --> 00:48:24.199
<v Speaker 9>it's not an easy job. That's why only a certain

1013
00:48:24.280 --> 00:48:25.199
<v Speaker 9>number of people get to.

1014
00:48:25.119 --> 00:48:25.679
<v Speaker 4>Do it well.

1015
00:48:25.920 --> 00:48:27.239
<v Speaker 2>And you were a showrunner as well.

1016
00:48:27.599 --> 00:48:31.840
<v Speaker 9>I was a showrunner, and it was incredibly frustrating. And

1017
00:48:31.880 --> 00:48:34.159
<v Speaker 9>then I decided what I wanted to do was was

1018
00:48:34.199 --> 00:48:36.599
<v Speaker 9>a writer director as opposed to a showrunner.

1019
00:48:37.440 --> 00:48:40.719
<v Speaker 2>So I didn't so I didn't want to. Very welcome

1020
00:48:40.800 --> 00:48:43.840
<v Speaker 2>for authors who have written books about and inspired by

1021
00:48:44.239 --> 00:48:48.760
<v Speaker 2>the Twilight and its iconic creed or local hero rods, local.

1022
00:48:48.440 --> 00:48:50.079
<v Speaker 10>Heroes in the center.

1023
00:48:49.880 --> 00:48:53.039
<v Speaker 2>Of our stores take up the side copies of their

1024
00:48:53.079 --> 00:48:54.519
<v Speaker 2>books today now.

1025
00:48:55.840 --> 00:48:57.719
<v Speaker 8>And it's always thank you for shopping.

1026
00:48:57.320 --> 00:49:02.320
<v Speaker 2>At It's really cool. I hope the microphones picked it up,

1027
00:49:06.599 --> 00:49:06.880
<v Speaker 2>are they?

1028
00:49:07.079 --> 00:49:07.280
<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

1029
00:49:07.400 --> 00:49:09.199
<v Speaker 9>I mean he was the first person as a writer

1030
00:49:09.239 --> 00:49:12.320
<v Speaker 9>who basically was in charge of it and wanted to

1031
00:49:12.320 --> 00:49:14.519
<v Speaker 9>tell his stories and it yeah.

1032
00:49:14.800 --> 00:49:14.880
<v Speaker 5>It.

1033
00:49:15.719 --> 00:49:18.559
<v Speaker 9>I was a showrunner, so I know precisely how hard

1034
00:49:18.599 --> 00:49:23.960
<v Speaker 9>a job it is, and it takes it took a

1035
00:49:23.960 --> 00:49:26.000
<v Speaker 9>lot out of him. It's why, you know, he says,

1036
00:49:26.039 --> 00:49:28.880
<v Speaker 9>it's a young man's job. He says, he he said,

1037
00:49:29.079 --> 00:49:31.599
<v Speaker 9>I've quoted no where it's from, but basically said, it's

1038
00:49:31.639 --> 00:49:34.800
<v Speaker 9>not a job for anyone over forty. It's just will

1039
00:49:34.800 --> 00:49:35.679
<v Speaker 9>burn you right out.

1040
00:49:36.039 --> 00:49:39.119
<v Speaker 2>And so and following in these footsteps and being inspired

1041
00:49:39.119 --> 00:49:41.320
<v Speaker 2>by rot sarying if you were a comic book character,

1042
00:49:41.400 --> 00:49:43.960
<v Speaker 2>what would be your Rod Serling origin story? How did

1043
00:49:44.039 --> 00:49:46.800
<v Speaker 2>how did you know? You stayed up late? Your parents

1044
00:49:46.920 --> 00:49:48.719
<v Speaker 2>let you sit up and watched it. Was there any

1045
00:49:48.760 --> 00:49:53.039
<v Speaker 2>episodes that really spoke to you or any particular aha

1046
00:49:53.239 --> 00:49:54.639
<v Speaker 2>moment of well.

1047
00:49:54.519 --> 00:49:57.079
<v Speaker 9>All of the classics hit me the way they hit me,

1048
00:50:00.039 --> 00:50:01.960
<v Speaker 9>But frankly, just to just to talk about what we're

1049
00:50:02.000 --> 00:50:05.239
<v Speaker 9>going to be doing later tonight at the festival is

1050
00:50:05.280 --> 00:50:08.559
<v Speaker 9>I'm going to introduce what I admit is my favorite episode,

1051
00:50:08.639 --> 00:50:10.119
<v Speaker 9>which is on Thursday.

1052
00:50:09.639 --> 00:50:10.480
<v Speaker 2>We leave for home.

1053
00:50:15.719 --> 00:50:19.039
<v Speaker 9>That might have been the aha as well. You know what,

1054
00:50:19.079 --> 00:50:20.079
<v Speaker 9>I'll claim it is the aha.

1055
00:50:20.079 --> 00:50:21.800
<v Speaker 2>As a writer, it was Oh, if.

1056
00:50:21.719 --> 00:50:24.679
<v Speaker 9>I could do that, that would be a great thing

1057
00:50:24.760 --> 00:50:25.039
<v Speaker 9>to do.

1058
00:50:25.440 --> 00:50:29.159
<v Speaker 2>It was absolutely no wasted words. It was.

1059
00:50:29.320 --> 00:50:32.199
<v Speaker 9>It's an amazing fifty minutes. I've never seen it with

1060
00:50:32.239 --> 00:50:34.519
<v Speaker 9>an audience, so I'm kind of looking forward to seeing

1061
00:50:34.519 --> 00:50:37.960
<v Speaker 9>that tonight. And and yeah, I'm going to do a

1062
00:50:37.960 --> 00:50:40.360
<v Speaker 9>little spiel in front of it, which hopefully won't embarrass

1063
00:50:40.440 --> 00:50:44.119
<v Speaker 9>myself or anyone else, but I want people. I want

1064
00:50:44.159 --> 00:50:45.960
<v Speaker 9>to set it up a little bit about where he

1065
00:50:46.039 --> 00:50:48.840
<v Speaker 9>comes from and why I think he wrote it.

1066
00:50:48.880 --> 00:50:51.440
<v Speaker 2>Really, he did wonderful and it's it's a resonant today.

1067
00:50:52.199 --> 00:50:55.760
<v Speaker 9>Yes, well that's he doesn't go out of style because

1068
00:50:55.800 --> 00:51:01.559
<v Speaker 9>I don't think the thing the kind of personal responsibility

1069
00:51:01.599 --> 00:51:05.519
<v Speaker 9>and humanity that he was interested in and wrote about,

1070
00:51:05.920 --> 00:51:06.840
<v Speaker 9>it's basic.

1071
00:51:06.559 --> 00:51:09.559
<v Speaker 2>Core and you core people. You can see all sides.

1072
00:51:10.400 --> 00:51:14.559
<v Speaker 9>Yeah, yeah, there's something there. You can you can find something.

1073
00:51:14.840 --> 00:51:16.760
<v Speaker 2>Looking very forward to it. Last year I was asked

1074
00:51:16.800 --> 00:51:19.159
<v Speaker 2>what the favorite episode Wasn't that was the one I named,

1075
00:51:19.199 --> 00:51:21.639
<v Speaker 2>even though depending on the day right it can change.

1076
00:51:21.639 --> 00:51:22.920
<v Speaker 2>There's so many that can change.

1077
00:51:23.000 --> 00:51:27.000
<v Speaker 9>Yeah, and it's the first hour, the hour episode they've

1078
00:51:27.000 --> 00:51:29.000
<v Speaker 9>shown at the festival, so I'm pretty pleased about that.

1079
00:51:29.079 --> 00:51:32.000
<v Speaker 9>I kind of I said, I would like to do something,

1080
00:51:32.000 --> 00:51:33.280
<v Speaker 9>and this is what I would like to do is

1081
00:51:33.280 --> 00:51:35.440
<v Speaker 9>I would like to present this episode wonderful.

1082
00:51:35.480 --> 00:51:37.519
<v Speaker 2>I'm looking very forward to hearing it. I appreciate your

1083
00:51:37.559 --> 00:51:40.320
<v Speaker 2>time today, And this is for Tom Elliott in the

1084
00:51:40.360 --> 00:51:42.280
<v Speaker 2>Twilight Zone podcast. If you have a message for Tom,

1085
00:51:42.320 --> 00:51:44.079
<v Speaker 2>I know he wanted to meet you and he was

1086
00:51:44.599 --> 00:51:46.239
<v Speaker 2>hoping he could get a chance to meet you, but

1087
00:51:46.280 --> 00:51:48.320
<v Speaker 2>he wasn't able to be here, So feel free if

1088
00:51:48.320 --> 00:51:49.760
<v Speaker 2>you have anything to say to him.

1089
00:51:50.000 --> 00:51:55.440
<v Speaker 9>Well for you know, Tom, continue the good work. And

1090
00:51:55.960 --> 00:51:57.400
<v Speaker 9>if we don't do it this year, we'll do it

1091
00:51:57.440 --> 00:51:57.840
<v Speaker 9>next year.

1092
00:51:58.440 --> 00:51:59.599
<v Speaker 2>Wonderful, Thank you so much.

1093
00:51:59.679 --> 00:52:00.079
<v Speaker 9>Thank you.

1094
00:52:00.199 --> 00:52:07.239
<v Speaker 2>Joseph Jordan's I'm here with Joonah Tulis and he is

1095
00:52:07.320 --> 00:52:11.360
<v Speaker 2>working on a brand new documentary of Rod Serling. Great

1096
00:52:11.360 --> 00:52:11.760
<v Speaker 2>to meet you.

1097
00:52:12.039 --> 00:52:12.920
<v Speaker 11>A nice meet as well.

1098
00:52:13.039 --> 00:52:16.280
<v Speaker 2>Wonderful. So you gave a little preview, little three minute snippet.

1099
00:52:16.280 --> 00:52:18.280
<v Speaker 2>Can you tell us about the how did this film

1100
00:52:18.360 --> 00:52:20.320
<v Speaker 2>come to be? How did this project get started?

1101
00:52:20.519 --> 00:52:23.880
<v Speaker 11>Project got started? I was on a zoom call with

1102
00:52:24.159 --> 00:52:28.360
<v Speaker 11>the guys at Appian Way, Leonardo DiCaprio's production company, and

1103
00:52:28.480 --> 00:52:30.639
<v Speaker 11>they were talking about different ideas and different things they

1104
00:52:30.639 --> 00:52:32.679
<v Speaker 11>were passionate about, and Rod Serling was one of them,

1105
00:52:32.719 --> 00:52:35.639
<v Speaker 11>and they'd been in touch with the estate and I

1106
00:52:35.760 --> 00:52:37.679
<v Speaker 11>jumped at it right away, and I know it was

1107
00:52:37.760 --> 00:52:40.440
<v Speaker 11>very interesting at first, but then I did sort of

1108
00:52:40.440 --> 00:52:42.000
<v Speaker 11>more of a deep dive and found all these Dick

1109
00:52:42.039 --> 00:52:44.039
<v Speaker 11>debut recordings and then I was like, oh, wow, there's

1110
00:52:44.119 --> 00:52:46.119
<v Speaker 11>a much bigger story here than I even imagined.

1111
00:52:46.199 --> 00:52:49.079
<v Speaker 2>Ooh, So, I imagine it's got to be difficult to

1112
00:52:49.119 --> 00:52:53.039
<v Speaker 2>come up with what specific pieces to use and what

1113
00:52:53.119 --> 00:52:56.320
<v Speaker 2>story you want to tell. Yeah, imagine that's still evolving, right.

1114
00:52:56.239 --> 00:52:59.039
<v Speaker 11>Yeah, it is still evolving. We're getting close, but there's

1115
00:52:59.039 --> 00:53:01.320
<v Speaker 11>so much out there, and there's he really had so

1116
00:53:01.400 --> 00:53:03.719
<v Speaker 11>much to say and he was so prolific, So it's

1117
00:53:03.800 --> 00:53:06.119
<v Speaker 11>you know, it's a lot to fit into one hundred minutes,

1118
00:53:06.159 --> 00:53:06.800
<v Speaker 11>but I think we're close.

1119
00:53:06.920 --> 00:53:09.679
<v Speaker 2>Amazing. Were you a fan to begin with or from

1120
00:53:09.800 --> 00:53:11.840
<v Speaker 2>childhood or when were you first What was your origin

1121
00:53:11.920 --> 00:53:14.360
<v Speaker 2>story with like the Twilight Zone and Serling's work.

1122
00:53:14.519 --> 00:53:16.320
<v Speaker 11>Yeah, I was exposed to, you know, watching it and

1123
00:53:16.360 --> 00:53:19.679
<v Speaker 11>syndication in the nineties with my dad and time and

1124
00:53:19.840 --> 00:53:22.519
<v Speaker 11>flast was probably my favorite back then. It still might be,

1125
00:53:22.599 --> 00:53:26.519
<v Speaker 11>but there's some others that are in close intention and yeah, yeah,

1126
00:53:26.519 --> 00:53:27.920
<v Speaker 11>but I've always been a fan and sort of it

1127
00:53:28.000 --> 00:53:30.280
<v Speaker 11>was that, you know, focusing on the Dock was sort

1128
00:53:30.320 --> 00:53:32.480
<v Speaker 11>of finding that next level and sort of understanding all

1129
00:53:32.599 --> 00:53:35.320
<v Speaker 11>the sort of different beats of his life, sort of

1130
00:53:35.360 --> 00:53:40.079
<v Speaker 11>specifically involving with his activism and social and respect for

1131
00:53:40.119 --> 00:53:40.880
<v Speaker 11>social justice.

1132
00:53:41.079 --> 00:53:43.599
<v Speaker 2>Awesome and how has how is your production? Sort of

1133
00:53:43.840 --> 00:53:46.239
<v Speaker 2>you mentioned the PBS documentary from a few years ago.

1134
00:53:46.280 --> 00:53:47.840
<v Speaker 2>It seems like you have a different I think it

1135
00:53:47.840 --> 00:53:50.000
<v Speaker 2>was almost thirty years ago. Well thirty, It make me

1136
00:53:50.039 --> 00:53:51.599
<v Speaker 2>feel old now. You got to just go with me

1137
00:53:51.639 --> 00:53:52.320
<v Speaker 2>and say it was ten.

1138
00:53:53.320 --> 00:53:54.719
<v Speaker 11>I'm not exactly sure of the year. I thought it

1139
00:53:54.719 --> 00:53:56.760
<v Speaker 11>was the nineties, but someone said two thousand. So but

1140
00:53:57.239 --> 00:53:59.519
<v Speaker 11>I'm watching it off of a copy I found somewhere

1141
00:53:59.559 --> 00:54:02.119
<v Speaker 11>that's VHS copy of a VHS copy, So maybe I

1142
00:54:02.239 --> 00:54:04.559
<v Speaker 11>got tricked into the tricked in the actual year.

1143
00:54:05.119 --> 00:54:07.760
<v Speaker 2>So you're sort of going in a different path. So

1144
00:54:07.960 --> 00:54:09.960
<v Speaker 2>there's gonna be some reenactments or is there.

1145
00:54:10.039 --> 00:54:12.920
<v Speaker 11>Yeah, I wouldn't call them traditional re enactments, but they

1146
00:54:12.960 --> 00:54:16.280
<v Speaker 11>are sort of We shot four three black and white,

1147
00:54:16.679 --> 00:54:20.000
<v Speaker 11>you know, recreations of Rod's old office and sets and

1148
00:54:20.079 --> 00:54:23.679
<v Speaker 11>sort of that's the visual language to complement sort of,

1149
00:54:23.880 --> 00:54:25.119
<v Speaker 11>you know, I would say a good portion of the

1150
00:54:25.159 --> 00:54:28.840
<v Speaker 11>film is Rod speaking and archival. There's no sit down interviews.

1151
00:54:28.880 --> 00:54:31.079
<v Speaker 11>It's all from that era, like a time capsule.

1152
00:54:31.360 --> 00:54:33.519
<v Speaker 2>Oh that's amazing, because he did he used that dictaphone

1153
00:54:33.519 --> 00:54:35.679
<v Speaker 2>a lot, so you're gonna actually use his actual voice.

1154
00:54:35.719 --> 00:54:38.440
<v Speaker 2>And yep, and the theme this year is Rod serling

1155
00:54:38.599 --> 00:54:42.000
<v Speaker 2>in his own words. So that's a perfect, perfect encapsulation.

1156
00:54:42.119 --> 00:54:45.280
<v Speaker 2>So we're looking forward to this documentary and any anything

1157
00:54:45.280 --> 00:54:46.960
<v Speaker 2>else you can share that you'd like to share.

1158
00:54:47.079 --> 00:54:49.119
<v Speaker 11>No we're excited to get a cone and should be

1159
00:54:49.159 --> 00:54:51.039
<v Speaker 11>out sometime in twenty twenty six more soon.

1160
00:54:51.159 --> 00:54:53.119
<v Speaker 2>And the fact that Leonardo DiCaprio, I think people have

1161
00:54:53.159 --> 00:54:56.400
<v Speaker 2>heard of him, he's he's pretty fantasy. He's that he's

1162
00:54:56.440 --> 00:54:58.760
<v Speaker 2>a fan is really really amazing. So we look forward

1163
00:54:58.800 --> 00:55:01.079
<v Speaker 2>to seeing more. And thank you, so thanks for having

1164
00:55:01.079 --> 00:55:07.880
<v Speaker 2>me great, Thank you. Hi. I'm here with Nicholas Parici.

1165
00:55:07.960 --> 00:55:12.199
<v Speaker 2>He is the author of the definitive biography Rod Serling,

1166
00:55:12.360 --> 00:55:16.599
<v Speaker 2>his life, work and imagination. Unfortunately it's no longer hardcover.

1167
00:55:16.719 --> 00:55:19.760
<v Speaker 2>We got soft cover only now, but it is. It

1168
00:55:19.840 --> 00:55:22.280
<v Speaker 2>is the definitive tone and we are here at the

1169
00:55:22.320 --> 00:55:26.079
<v Speaker 2>Barnes Noble right before the Serling Fast kickoff. Nick, how

1170
00:55:26.079 --> 00:55:28.039
<v Speaker 2>are you doing, sir? I am doing great.

1171
00:55:28.119 --> 00:55:28.960
<v Speaker 1>Chad, how are you doing?

1172
00:55:29.079 --> 00:55:32.960
<v Speaker 2>Wonderful? It's amazing to see you. And so Rod Serling

1173
00:55:33.000 --> 00:55:36.280
<v Speaker 2>origin story. You're a comic book character. How did this start?

1174
00:55:36.360 --> 00:55:38.159
<v Speaker 2>What's the what was the flash of inspiration?

1175
00:55:38.639 --> 00:55:40.920
<v Speaker 7>Well, in terms of my fandom, it started with The

1176
00:55:40.920 --> 00:55:44.559
<v Speaker 7>Twilight Zone. Like so many other people, I started watching

1177
00:55:44.559 --> 00:55:47.920
<v Speaker 7>when I was a kid and became enamored with the

1178
00:55:48.239 --> 00:55:51.599
<v Speaker 7>Rod Sterling as a presence as a writer, as an orator,

1179
00:55:52.199 --> 00:55:57.320
<v Speaker 7>his speech patterns, you know, the way he used the language,

1180
00:55:57.480 --> 00:56:00.079
<v Speaker 7>and that's what drew me into the Twilight Zone to

1181
00:56:00.159 --> 00:56:03.079
<v Speaker 7>begin with. And then gradually I became aware of all

1182
00:56:03.119 --> 00:56:06.119
<v Speaker 7>the other things that he had written and became obsessed

1183
00:56:06.119 --> 00:56:08.320
<v Speaker 7>with trying to find out about all these other things

1184
00:56:08.320 --> 00:56:10.599
<v Speaker 7>that he had written, and that was really the impetus.

1185
00:56:10.119 --> 00:56:14.119
<v Speaker 2>For the book. Amazing. Now, if there was one thing

1186
00:56:14.239 --> 00:56:17.119
<v Speaker 2>that your average Twilight Zone fan that you could tell them,

1187
00:56:17.119 --> 00:56:20.239
<v Speaker 2>if you haven't seen any of his other work, what

1188
00:56:20.239 --> 00:56:21.599
<v Speaker 2>would you steer them towards?

1189
00:56:21.760 --> 00:56:23.199
<v Speaker 3>Oh boy, there's a lot.

1190
00:56:23.280 --> 00:56:28.840
<v Speaker 7>Actually, one thing, I guess. I mean, part of the

1191
00:56:28.880 --> 00:56:30.719
<v Speaker 7>reason for writing my book is that so much of

1192
00:56:30.760 --> 00:56:32.440
<v Speaker 7>the stuff that really was great.

1193
00:56:32.320 --> 00:56:34.159
<v Speaker 10>Is not generally available.

1194
00:56:34.920 --> 00:56:37.079
<v Speaker 7>So if I'm going to steer somebody towards something, I'd

1195
00:56:37.119 --> 00:56:38.760
<v Speaker 7>like to steer them toward something they can actually get

1196
00:56:38.760 --> 00:56:42.159
<v Speaker 7>a hold of. So from that standpoint, I would certainly

1197
00:56:42.199 --> 00:56:45.519
<v Speaker 7>recommend The Loaner. The Loaner was a Western series that

1198
00:56:45.559 --> 00:56:48.000
<v Speaker 7>he wrote after The Twilight Zone and it was released

1199
00:56:48.000 --> 00:56:51.320
<v Speaker 7>on DVD about ten years ago, I guess at this point,

1200
00:56:51.920 --> 00:56:55.760
<v Speaker 7>and I think it's a fantastic piece of work. It's

1201
00:56:56.480 --> 00:56:59.679
<v Speaker 7>about twenty six episodes and road Road fifteen of them,

1202
00:57:00.320 --> 00:57:02.960
<v Speaker 7>and I think he does some of his best writing

1203
00:57:03.039 --> 00:57:06.000
<v Speaker 7>for the Loaner, So I would certainly recommend that we're

1204
00:57:06.039 --> 00:57:07.679
<v Speaker 7>going to be screening an episode of it at this

1205
00:57:07.760 --> 00:57:11.800
<v Speaker 7>year's Sailing Fest, and other than that, I would just

1206
00:57:11.960 --> 00:57:15.559
<v Speaker 7>generally point people towards Playhouse ninety. I mean, Rod wrote

1207
00:57:15.559 --> 00:57:18.960
<v Speaker 7>ten episodes of Playoffs ninety and I think they're all terrific,

1208
00:57:19.760 --> 00:57:22.599
<v Speaker 7>So they're generally you know, again, they may be hard

1209
00:57:22.639 --> 00:57:25.199
<v Speaker 7>to find. A few of them are available on DVD

1210
00:57:25.320 --> 00:57:28.480
<v Speaker 7>in commercial box and commercial collections. Some of them you

1211
00:57:28.480 --> 00:57:31.320
<v Speaker 7>can find on YouTube, but those be the two that

1212
00:57:31.400 --> 00:57:32.000
<v Speaker 7>jump to mind.

1213
00:57:32.480 --> 00:57:34.440
<v Speaker 2>Fantastic and if you can't find them or get ahold

1214
00:57:34.440 --> 00:57:37.119
<v Speaker 2>of them, you can read about them my correct.

1215
00:57:37.679 --> 00:57:40.800
<v Speaker 7>Yes, the idea of the book was part of the idea, anyway,

1216
00:57:41.039 --> 00:57:44.000
<v Speaker 7>was to inform people about everything that Rod Serling had

1217
00:57:44.000 --> 00:57:46.199
<v Speaker 7>written that had been produced, so if you can't get

1218
00:57:46.239 --> 00:57:49.760
<v Speaker 7>a hold of it, you can read a description of

1219
00:57:49.800 --> 00:57:53.679
<v Speaker 7>it in my book. So it's the way I structured

1220
00:57:53.719 --> 00:57:56.559
<v Speaker 7>the book was to give people a when they read it.

1221
00:57:56.760 --> 00:57:58.719
<v Speaker 7>I hope that they come away feeling like they have

1222
00:57:58.960 --> 00:58:02.360
<v Speaker 7>watched some of these even though they haven't seen them,

1223
00:58:02.400 --> 00:58:05.000
<v Speaker 7>because I give more than just a one or two line,

1224
00:58:05.159 --> 00:58:07.639
<v Speaker 7>you know, description the way that you know TV guide

1225
00:58:07.760 --> 00:58:10.360
<v Speaker 7>might This is an actual, you know, synopsis of the

1226
00:58:10.400 --> 00:58:14.119
<v Speaker 7>whole story that we're talking about. So so yeah, so

1227
00:58:14.639 --> 00:58:16.559
<v Speaker 7>pretty much anything that you might be interested in that

1228
00:58:16.639 --> 00:58:19.280
<v Speaker 7>Rod Serling wrote is covered in some way in my book.

1229
00:58:19.440 --> 00:58:21.920
<v Speaker 2>And this is absolutely a definitive tone. Was there any

1230
00:58:21.960 --> 00:58:24.239
<v Speaker 2>surprises when you were doing the research and writing. Was

1231
00:58:24.239 --> 00:58:27.320
<v Speaker 2>there anything that surprised you or that that really that

1232
00:58:27.400 --> 00:58:29.760
<v Speaker 2>you weren't expecting that you came across.

1233
00:58:29.559 --> 00:58:36.280
<v Speaker 7>Or the surprises were Some of the surprises were, as

1234
00:58:36.320 --> 00:58:38.679
<v Speaker 7>I detail in the book, and as you probably know,

1235
00:58:38.920 --> 00:58:40.679
<v Speaker 7>Rod Serling was his own harshest critic.

1236
00:58:40.719 --> 00:58:41.039
<v Speaker 2>He was.

1237
00:58:41.480 --> 00:58:44.000
<v Speaker 7>He was very very hard on himself. He never gave

1238
00:58:44.119 --> 00:58:47.159
<v Speaker 7>himself a break. So some of the surprises were things

1239
00:58:47.159 --> 00:58:49.760
<v Speaker 7>that I watched or read that turned out to be really,

1240
00:58:49.800 --> 00:58:53.679
<v Speaker 7>really good that Rod Sterling had denigrated over time, you know,

1241
00:58:53.760 --> 00:58:55.800
<v Speaker 7>things that he said, oh, this was terrible or whatever,

1242
00:58:56.159 --> 00:58:57.119
<v Speaker 7>and then I watched it and.

1243
00:58:57.079 --> 00:58:58.199
<v Speaker 3>Realized it was really good.

1244
00:58:58.599 --> 00:59:00.880
<v Speaker 7>And again that's primarily just because Rod was so hard

1245
00:59:00.880 --> 00:59:03.559
<v Speaker 7>on himself. If something was great, Rod thought it was passable.

1246
00:59:03.599 --> 00:59:06.079
<v Speaker 7>If something was good, he thought it was terrible. You know,

1247
00:59:06.119 --> 00:59:08.559
<v Speaker 7>that's just the way he was. So some of that

1248
00:59:08.679 --> 00:59:11.559
<v Speaker 7>surprised me. The other thing that surprised me, I think

1249
00:59:11.639 --> 00:59:15.119
<v Speaker 7>is I go into some detail about the genesis of

1250
00:59:15.239 --> 00:59:18.079
<v Speaker 7>the script Noon on Doomsday, which was Rod's attempt to

1251
00:59:18.119 --> 00:59:21.599
<v Speaker 7>tell some version of the mb Till story on television,

1252
00:59:22.000 --> 00:59:24.719
<v Speaker 7>And after reading the first draft of the of Nowon

1253
00:59:24.800 --> 00:59:27.000
<v Speaker 7>on Doomsday, I think I came away with a whole

1254
00:59:27.000 --> 00:59:31.000
<v Speaker 7>different version of that story that you won't find anywhere

1255
00:59:31.079 --> 00:59:32.400
<v Speaker 7>else but in my book.

1256
00:59:32.760 --> 00:59:34.559
<v Speaker 2>And so you detail that in the book, and so

1257
00:59:34.639 --> 00:59:36.760
<v Speaker 2>you actually get to know what the real story was

1258
00:59:36.840 --> 00:59:39.239
<v Speaker 2>before the censors and the sponsors.

1259
00:59:39.599 --> 00:59:41.960
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, and to spoil it to some extent, what I

1260
00:59:42.000 --> 00:59:44.760
<v Speaker 7>found was that the Rod's very first draft was not

1261
00:59:44.960 --> 00:59:48.280
<v Speaker 7>all that different than what ultimately aired. So I go

1262
00:59:48.400 --> 00:59:51.880
<v Speaker 7>into some some detail about what the actual censorship of

1263
00:59:51.920 --> 00:59:54.480
<v Speaker 7>that script was, and like I said, I think it

1264
00:59:54.519 --> 00:59:57.199
<v Speaker 7>turns into a story that a different version of that

1265
00:59:57.239 --> 00:59:58.639
<v Speaker 7>story than you've ever heard before.

1266
01:00:00.119 --> 01:00:04.159
<v Speaker 2>It's amazing. I think that now is a time where

1267
01:00:04.239 --> 01:00:06.440
<v Speaker 2>I've really looked at Rod Serling as a figure who

1268
01:00:07.519 --> 01:00:10.559
<v Speaker 2>you wish he was here today because it's a voice

1269
01:00:10.559 --> 01:00:11.880
<v Speaker 2>that we need, and.

1270
01:00:13.719 --> 01:00:16.519
<v Speaker 7>No doubt I hear that all the time.

1271
01:00:16.599 --> 01:00:17.719
<v Speaker 2>I think that all the time.

1272
01:00:19.159 --> 01:00:21.199
<v Speaker 7>You know, the thing that we hear at the Foundation

1273
01:00:21.400 --> 01:00:23.880
<v Speaker 7>and the things that I hear by email, by messages

1274
01:00:23.920 --> 01:00:26.440
<v Speaker 7>that you know, we really could use Rod Sterling's voice

1275
01:00:26.480 --> 01:00:29.760
<v Speaker 7>right now. It's not the twist endings at the end

1276
01:00:29.760 --> 01:00:32.400
<v Speaker 7>of the Twilight Zone episode that people are missing. It's

1277
01:00:32.719 --> 01:00:37.840
<v Speaker 7>Rod's moral compass and Rod's moral certitude that people are looking.

1278
01:00:37.559 --> 01:00:38.400
<v Speaker 2>For right now.

1279
01:00:38.880 --> 01:00:41.280
<v Speaker 7>And yes, Rod would have a lot to say about

1280
01:00:41.320 --> 01:00:43.679
<v Speaker 7>everything that's going on in our country right now, and

1281
01:00:43.960 --> 01:00:45.519
<v Speaker 7>I wish you were here to hear what he had

1282
01:00:45.559 --> 01:00:45.880
<v Speaker 7>to say.

1283
01:00:46.159 --> 01:00:49.199
<v Speaker 2>Absolutely feel exactly the same way. And when you say

1284
01:00:49.199 --> 01:00:51.480
<v Speaker 2>that Rod Serling was sort of self deprecating, you feel

1285
01:00:51.519 --> 01:00:53.639
<v Speaker 2>like that was genuine. He really did feel that he

1286
01:00:53.719 --> 01:00:56.119
<v Speaker 2>was a harsh credit. It wasn't so much sort of

1287
01:00:56.159 --> 01:00:56.800
<v Speaker 2>tongue in cheek.

1288
01:00:58.880 --> 01:01:03.840
<v Speaker 7>I think Rod was somewhat insecure about his own abilities

1289
01:01:03.880 --> 01:01:06.440
<v Speaker 7>and about his own talents. And yeah, I think it

1290
01:01:06.480 --> 01:01:09.960
<v Speaker 7>absolutely was genuine. He was also very very sensitive. He

1291
01:01:10.000 --> 01:01:14.320
<v Speaker 7>was very sensitive to critiques and to criticism. His brother

1292
01:01:14.440 --> 01:01:16.679
<v Speaker 7>Robert would say that Rod could have a show on

1293
01:01:16.719 --> 01:01:19.000
<v Speaker 7>the air and the next day he could read ten

1294
01:01:19.280 --> 01:01:21.480
<v Speaker 7>glowing reviews and then one bad one, and he would

1295
01:01:21.679 --> 01:01:24.000
<v Speaker 7>totally forget the good ones, and it was the bad

1296
01:01:24.039 --> 01:01:25.800
<v Speaker 7>one that would stick with him and that he would

1297
01:01:25.800 --> 01:01:27.199
<v Speaker 7>be upset about for the night and for the rest

1298
01:01:27.239 --> 01:01:31.400
<v Speaker 7>of the day. So he was very sensitive to that,

1299
01:01:31.519 --> 01:01:33.639
<v Speaker 7>and then he was just very hard on himself too.

1300
01:01:33.760 --> 01:01:37.239
<v Speaker 7>He always believed that he could do better, he could

1301
01:01:37.239 --> 01:01:37.800
<v Speaker 7>do more.

1302
01:01:38.480 --> 01:01:41.519
<v Speaker 2>And what a tragedy that he wasn't around to see

1303
01:01:41.559 --> 01:01:44.599
<v Speaker 2>that there's a statue in Recreation Park that's been erected,

1304
01:01:44.639 --> 01:01:48.760
<v Speaker 2>that there's an entire foundation, which you're a big part of,

1305
01:01:48.920 --> 01:01:51.639
<v Speaker 2>that is dedicated to preserving his legacy and his works,

1306
01:01:51.679 --> 01:01:54.880
<v Speaker 2>and how he has stood the test of time and

1307
01:01:55.000 --> 01:01:58.039
<v Speaker 2>is still standing the test of time. He would be amazed.

1308
01:01:58.119 --> 01:02:01.679
<v Speaker 7>I'm sure he would be absolutely flabbergasted that there is

1309
01:02:01.719 --> 01:02:04.440
<v Speaker 7>a statue of him standing in his hometown, that there

1310
01:02:04.480 --> 01:02:07.760
<v Speaker 7>is a foundation dedicated to his work, that so many

1311
01:02:07.800 --> 01:02:09.840
<v Speaker 7>people have come out to say what an influence he

1312
01:02:10.039 --> 01:02:10.639
<v Speaker 7>was on them.

1313
01:02:11.159 --> 01:02:12.719
<v Speaker 2>He would be amazed.

1314
01:02:12.960 --> 01:02:14.800
<v Speaker 7>I mean, he very famously said, you know, what I've

1315
01:02:14.840 --> 01:02:18.599
<v Speaker 7>written is momentarily adequate. You judge good writing by its

1316
01:02:18.679 --> 01:02:20.960
<v Speaker 7>lasting qualities, and nothing that I've written will last one

1317
01:02:21.000 --> 01:02:23.760
<v Speaker 7>hundred years. Well, it's been one hundred years since he

1318
01:02:23.880 --> 01:02:26.599
<v Speaker 7>was born. It's been fifty years since he was gone.

1319
01:02:26.679 --> 01:02:29.880
<v Speaker 7>It's been sixty five years since the Twilight Zone ended,

1320
01:02:30.239 --> 01:02:32.599
<v Speaker 7>and we are certainly we're still talking about Twilight Zone now,

1321
01:02:32.679 --> 01:02:35.159
<v Speaker 7>We're still talking about Rod Serling now, and one hundred

1322
01:02:35.199 --> 01:02:37.079
<v Speaker 7>years from now, we'll still be talking about Rod Serling.

1323
01:02:37.159 --> 01:02:40.599
<v Speaker 7>So his work has shown how wrong he was in

1324
01:02:40.639 --> 01:02:41.320
<v Speaker 7>that estimation.

1325
01:02:41.719 --> 01:02:43.960
<v Speaker 2>And this year's Serling Fest is Rod Serling in his

1326
01:02:44.039 --> 01:02:47.639
<v Speaker 2>own words, and I think that's a wonderful theme. Any

1327
01:02:47.679 --> 01:02:50.559
<v Speaker 2>preview of this year's events or maybe what's coming down

1328
01:02:50.559 --> 01:02:50.920
<v Speaker 2>the road.

1329
01:02:51.159 --> 01:02:54.440
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, Well, on Saturday particularly, we're going to have you know,

1330
01:02:54.480 --> 01:02:57.480
<v Speaker 7>it's an old day of series of events, and we're

1331
01:02:57.480 --> 01:03:01.239
<v Speaker 7>going to be showing and screening some interviews with Rod

1332
01:03:01.280 --> 01:03:04.000
<v Speaker 7>Serling that you've never seen before, one particular one interview,

1333
01:03:04.039 --> 01:03:09.000
<v Speaker 7>particularly one speech particularly that you've definitely not heard before.

1334
01:03:09.480 --> 01:03:11.840
<v Speaker 7>Some clips that you have not heard before. So we're

1335
01:03:11.840 --> 01:03:14.800
<v Speaker 7>trying to give people a taste of again, Yeah, definitely

1336
01:03:14.880 --> 01:03:18.079
<v Speaker 7>Rod Sterling in his own words. You know, a lot

1337
01:03:18.119 --> 01:03:20.679
<v Speaker 7>of us, and I think I'm just guilty of this,

1338
01:03:20.800 --> 01:03:23.519
<v Speaker 7>or more guilty of this than anyone. We're attempted to

1339
01:03:23.519 --> 01:03:25.760
<v Speaker 7>speak for Rod Serling, you know, because he's not here

1340
01:03:25.840 --> 01:03:29.199
<v Speaker 7>and we feel like we're experts on him, and but

1341
01:03:29.280 --> 01:03:32.039
<v Speaker 7>it is it is a risk that we run. So

1342
01:03:32.119 --> 01:03:34.559
<v Speaker 7>this year we wanted to be real clear that we're

1343
01:03:34.559 --> 01:03:36.400
<v Speaker 7>going to let Rod Serling speak in his own words.

1344
01:03:36.400 --> 01:03:38.039
<v Speaker 7>We're going to let Rod Sterling tell you what he

1345
01:03:38.119 --> 01:03:42.320
<v Speaker 7>thought of the issues of his day, which unfortunately are

1346
01:03:43.239 --> 01:03:44.960
<v Speaker 7>very very relevant for today.

1347
01:03:45.360 --> 01:03:47.960
<v Speaker 2>Oh well, that's incredible. Thank you so much, Nick, And

1348
01:03:47.960 --> 01:03:50.280
<v Speaker 2>this has been a wonderful event here to kick off

1349
01:03:50.280 --> 01:03:53.559
<v Speaker 2>Surling Fest. And thanks Jad, it's great to talk to you.

1350
01:03:53.639 --> 01:03:56.760
<v Speaker 2>Great great as always.

1351
01:03:58.320 --> 01:04:01.079
<v Speaker 3>So there we go. That was our COVID of Sailing

1352
01:04:01.159 --> 01:04:04.360
<v Speaker 3>Fest twenty twenty five. What a pleasure, What a pleasure

1353
01:04:04.400 --> 01:04:08.440
<v Speaker 3>to listen to these people and chards you mentioned before

1354
01:04:08.440 --> 01:04:13.159
<v Speaker 3>we started playing those interviews about people, the people who

1355
01:04:13.199 --> 01:04:18.000
<v Speaker 3>put their time into organizing this convention, all of the

1356
01:04:18.039 --> 01:04:22.920
<v Speaker 3>board members of the Rod Sailing Memorial Foundation, Nick Parisi,

1357
01:04:23.119 --> 01:04:27.480
<v Speaker 3>Tony Alborella, all good friends, all great people. But also

1358
01:04:28.159 --> 01:04:32.880
<v Speaker 3>I think Nick actually said it that Jeff Sailing, who

1359
01:04:32.960 --> 01:04:36.360
<v Speaker 3>was a relative of Rod Sailing, he's obviously part of

1360
01:04:36.400 --> 01:04:40.239
<v Speaker 3>the Sailing family, was a big part of the organization

1361
01:04:40.400 --> 01:04:42.880
<v Speaker 3>this year. He put a lot awake in and I

1362
01:04:42.920 --> 01:04:47.039
<v Speaker 3>think that's just such a lovely thing to have the

1363
01:04:47.079 --> 01:04:51.559
<v Speaker 3>sailing family so connected to this. So, you know, well

1364
01:04:51.639 --> 01:04:56.159
<v Speaker 3>done to Jeff and everyone involved. I think it's really

1365
01:04:56.159 --> 01:04:57.320
<v Speaker 3>great to see.

1366
01:04:57.400 --> 01:04:59.760
<v Speaker 2>Well absolutely, and it was really such a pleasure in

1367
01:04:59.800 --> 01:05:02.639
<v Speaker 2>an honor to speak to Jeff and Andrew Serling this

1368
01:05:02.719 --> 01:05:05.280
<v Speaker 2>time around. I think we had a really good interview

1369
01:05:05.280 --> 01:05:07.880
<v Speaker 2>with them, and they were actually the first people that

1370
01:05:07.960 --> 01:05:11.320
<v Speaker 2>I saw this year. Went over to the Lost Dog Cafe,

1371
01:05:11.360 --> 01:05:13.880
<v Speaker 2>which has become one of my favorite places to go

1372
01:05:13.920 --> 01:05:16.039
<v Speaker 2>when I'm in town, and there they were, and I

1373
01:05:16.079 --> 01:05:18.320
<v Speaker 2>remembered them, you know, from seeing them last year and

1374
01:05:18.360 --> 01:05:21.800
<v Speaker 2>meeting them, and they were also you know, greeting people

1375
01:05:21.840 --> 01:05:23.840
<v Speaker 2>at the door or thanking them for being there. I

1376
01:05:23.840 --> 01:05:26.480
<v Speaker 2>mean to, like I said, to be able to spend

1377
01:05:26.519 --> 01:05:30.039
<v Speaker 2>time with these people is just incredible, right, You're not

1378
01:05:30.079 --> 01:05:32.639
<v Speaker 2>paying five hundred dollars and waiting five hours on the

1379
01:05:32.639 --> 01:05:37.920
<v Speaker 2>line for two seconds of somebody. This is and to

1380
01:05:37.960 --> 01:05:40.840
<v Speaker 2>be around the people who grew up with Rod Serling.

1381
01:05:40.880 --> 01:05:43.599
<v Speaker 2>I remember one of the people that we spoke with

1382
01:05:43.679 --> 01:05:46.119
<v Speaker 2>at the Barnes and Noble event, they said, hey, yeah,

1383
01:05:46.199 --> 01:05:48.159
<v Speaker 2>they were talking to Chris Benedict and said, hey, yeah,

1384
01:05:48.159 --> 01:05:50.599
<v Speaker 2>I know, you know Rod Serling used to box over

1385
01:05:50.639 --> 01:05:52.800
<v Speaker 2>at the YMCA right here in town. You know, my

1386
01:05:52.880 --> 01:05:56.079
<v Speaker 2>dad knew that and stuff, and so you get to

1387
01:05:56.079 --> 01:05:58.800
<v Speaker 2>have these kind of experiences of the people you know

1388
01:05:58.880 --> 01:06:01.079
<v Speaker 2>right there in town, who who grew up with him

1389
01:06:01.320 --> 01:06:05.360
<v Speaker 2>and knew him, and everybody's just so gracious and yeah,

1390
01:06:05.519 --> 01:06:09.000
<v Speaker 2>just fantastic. But yeah, Jeff, Jeff and Andrew were fantastic

1391
01:06:09.039 --> 01:06:09.559
<v Speaker 2>to talk to you.

1392
01:06:10.119 --> 01:06:12.480
<v Speaker 3>Okay, we will leave it there. We will leave it there,

1393
01:06:12.559 --> 01:06:15.599
<v Speaker 3>because man, I wish I could have been there, But

1394
01:06:15.800 --> 01:06:19.039
<v Speaker 3>I am so hoping to be able to go back

1395
01:06:19.119 --> 01:06:23.480
<v Speaker 3>next year. Things are looking okay and if the stars

1396
01:06:23.519 --> 01:06:27.239
<v Speaker 3>aligne I want to be back among you know, our people,

1397
01:06:27.519 --> 01:06:32.559
<v Speaker 3>that the Rod Saling people and Chad. I want to

1398
01:06:32.559 --> 01:06:35.519
<v Speaker 3>thank you and Chris for all the hard work that

1399
01:06:35.559 --> 01:06:39.280
<v Speaker 3>you put in to make this coverage possible. So thank

1400
01:06:39.320 --> 01:06:40.360
<v Speaker 3>you so much, Min.

1401
01:06:40.559 --> 01:06:43.480
<v Speaker 2>It was an honor to do it. And fingers crossed

1402
01:06:43.480 --> 01:06:45.480
<v Speaker 2>for next year. I can't wait to see what's in store.

1403
01:06:45.960 --> 01:06:48.199
<v Speaker 3>So now that you've heard from the people who put

1404
01:06:48.199 --> 01:06:52.079
<v Speaker 3>the event together or presented at the event, I'm going

1405
01:06:52.159 --> 01:06:54.480
<v Speaker 3>to play out with some audio from a friend of

1406
01:06:54.519 --> 01:06:58.239
<v Speaker 3>the show, Joe Brown, who was in the audience. So

1407
01:06:58.320 --> 01:07:02.360
<v Speaker 3>he can give that perspective. So if you went to

1408
01:07:02.400 --> 01:07:05.000
<v Speaker 3>Sailing Fest twenty twenty five, I hope you had a

1409
01:07:05.039 --> 01:07:08.199
<v Speaker 3>great time and I hope to see you the next time.

1410
01:07:08.480 --> 01:07:11.880
<v Speaker 1>By for now, Hey, Tom Joe Brown here, just want

1411
01:07:11.920 --> 01:07:14.360
<v Speaker 1>to leave some feedback on the experiences at this year's

1412
01:07:14.360 --> 01:07:17.480
<v Speaker 1>Serling Fest. However, I'm not alone on this journey. My

1413
01:07:17.559 --> 01:07:21.119
<v Speaker 1>good friend John Harbor went with me. Hey everybody, Hey,

1414
01:07:21.159 --> 01:07:22.960
<v Speaker 1>we just want to share our thoughts on what we saw,

1415
01:07:23.079 --> 01:07:24.800
<v Speaker 1>what we heard, and what we took away from this

1416
01:07:24.920 --> 01:07:28.719
<v Speaker 1>year's event. So Friday, we get to Binghamton in the afternoon,

1417
01:07:28.920 --> 01:07:30.880
<v Speaker 1>we went to the hotel and got squared away there,

1418
01:07:31.280 --> 01:07:33.280
<v Speaker 1>then went over to the bookstore for the book signing.

1419
01:07:33.559 --> 01:07:36.159
<v Speaker 1>So we get there in Chris Benedict, who's the author

1420
01:07:36.159 --> 01:07:38.880
<v Speaker 1>of The Twilight Rounds, Chad Boykin, the author of The

1421
01:07:38.880 --> 01:07:43.320
<v Speaker 1>Twilight Zone Haiku, Nick Parisi, author of Rod Serling his life,

1422
01:07:43.320 --> 01:07:46.800
<v Speaker 1>work and Imagination, and finally Joseph Daugherty, the author of

1423
01:07:47.079 --> 01:07:50.800
<v Speaker 1>Rod Serling at one hundred one Writer's Acknowledgment. All four

1424
01:07:50.800 --> 01:07:52.760
<v Speaker 1>of those authors were there and I purchased three of

1425
01:07:52.760 --> 01:07:55.239
<v Speaker 1>the four books because last year I had met Nick

1426
01:07:55.280 --> 01:07:57.639
<v Speaker 1>and got him to sign one for me, I had

1427
01:07:57.639 --> 01:07:59.519
<v Speaker 1>the other three guys all signed their books and spent

1428
01:07:59.599 --> 01:08:02.599
<v Speaker 1>some time talking to each of them. On an interesting note,

1429
01:08:02.800 --> 01:08:05.440
<v Speaker 1>I talked to Joseph Doherty and I mentioned your interview

1430
01:08:05.480 --> 01:08:07.679
<v Speaker 1>with him on the podcast, and I had mentioned we

1431
01:08:07.679 --> 01:08:09.400
<v Speaker 1>had listened to it again on the drive down from

1432
01:08:09.400 --> 01:08:12.400
<v Speaker 1>the Syracuse Airport. He got really excited and he's like, yeah,

1433
01:08:12.639 --> 01:08:15.000
<v Speaker 1>I remember that. And I told him was hey, man,

1434
01:08:15.079 --> 01:08:17.600
<v Speaker 1>I really appreciate your candor and the interview was really

1435
01:08:17.600 --> 01:08:18.960
<v Speaker 1>well done that you had done with him, and he

1436
01:08:19.000 --> 01:08:22.239
<v Speaker 1>remembered it very well. So after the bookstore we headed

1437
01:08:22.239 --> 01:08:25.600
<v Speaker 1>over to the Forum Theater on Friday. They had scheduled

1438
01:08:25.600 --> 01:08:28.880
<v Speaker 1>Friday Film Night with an episode showings of On Thursday,

1439
01:08:28.880 --> 01:08:31.800
<v Speaker 1>we Leave from Home, an X Files episode called The

1440
01:08:31.840 --> 01:08:35.359
<v Speaker 1>Lost Art of Forehead Sweat, which had a Twilight Zone

1441
01:08:36.319 --> 01:08:39.680
<v Speaker 1>sequence embedded in the storyline. Then they did a showing

1442
01:08:39.680 --> 01:08:41.800
<v Speaker 1>of the first episode of The Loner called an Echo

1443
01:08:41.800 --> 01:08:44.760
<v Speaker 1>of Bugles Now. This one also included a promo film

1444
01:08:44.800 --> 01:08:46.800
<v Speaker 1>that Rod had made in order to sell the show

1445
01:08:46.840 --> 01:08:49.119
<v Speaker 1>to the sponsors. And this is a rare event because

1446
01:08:49.399 --> 01:08:52.000
<v Speaker 1>I had never seen this before. But it was always

1447
01:08:52.000 --> 01:08:53.600
<v Speaker 1>good to see those I remember. It reminds me of

1448
01:08:53.600 --> 01:08:56.000
<v Speaker 1>the first one of the Twilight Zone when Rod did

1449
01:08:56.039 --> 01:08:59.039
<v Speaker 1>the pilot film for Where Is Everybody to try to

1450
01:08:59.079 --> 01:09:02.800
<v Speaker 1>sell the show. Well, anyway, let's talk about let's talk

1451
01:09:02.840 --> 01:09:05.600
<v Speaker 1>about Friday, John just a little bit. If you remember

1452
01:09:05.640 --> 01:09:08.319
<v Speaker 1>when the when the speakers came out. First we heard

1453
01:09:08.319 --> 01:09:11.239
<v Speaker 1>Frank spot and it's uh, he had talked about being

1454
01:09:11.279 --> 01:09:14.720
<v Speaker 1>inspired by Ron Serling. And then we heard from Joseph

1455
01:09:14.800 --> 01:09:18.720
<v Speaker 1>Doherty who introduced on Thursday we leave for Home, and

1456
01:09:18.760 --> 01:09:21.760
<v Speaker 1>he talked about the leadership aspect of the episode. And

1457
01:09:21.800 --> 01:09:25.880
<v Speaker 1>then Tonyl Aborella talked about authority and also leadership and

1458
01:09:25.920 --> 01:09:28.560
<v Speaker 1>the loaner. Would you take away from those three speakers

1459
01:09:28.560 --> 01:09:29.640
<v Speaker 1>on Friday?

1460
01:09:30.239 --> 01:09:35.479
<v Speaker 10>Well, I think it was interesting to me the effect

1461
01:09:35.840 --> 01:09:38.880
<v Speaker 10>and the impact that Rod had on all of their lives,

1462
01:09:40.439 --> 01:09:47.079
<v Speaker 10>the way they right themselves their ideas. And also I

1463
01:09:47.119 --> 01:09:49.479
<v Speaker 10>had never even heard of the loaner. That was a

1464
01:09:49.800 --> 01:09:51.600
<v Speaker 10>kind of a shock to me, and I thought that

1465
01:09:51.760 --> 01:09:56.960
<v Speaker 10>was as well. Yeah, and that's a good show. But hey,

1466
01:09:57.000 --> 01:09:58.359
<v Speaker 10>let's talk a little bit about Saturday.

1467
01:09:58.439 --> 01:10:00.800
<v Speaker 1>So I get a kid kind of this. I'm getting

1468
01:10:00.840 --> 01:10:02.680
<v Speaker 1>ready to talk about it. So we get there at

1469
01:10:02.680 --> 01:10:04.760
<v Speaker 1>the Forum Theater and there's a raffle table set up

1470
01:10:04.760 --> 01:10:07.520
<v Speaker 1>and it's got about thirty things on it. And you

1471
01:10:07.560 --> 01:10:08.920
<v Speaker 1>weren't too lucky here, Worr you Johan?

1472
01:10:09.119 --> 01:10:09.880
<v Speaker 4>Did you win anything?

1473
01:10:10.600 --> 01:10:10.760
<v Speaker 10>Oh?

1474
01:10:11.279 --> 01:10:13.880
<v Speaker 1>Yes, I did imagine that. I won.

1475
01:10:15.199 --> 01:10:20.680
<v Speaker 10>Any Twilight Zone T shirt and DVD and a little

1476
01:10:21.359 --> 01:10:24.560
<v Speaker 10>writing tablet in the first raffle, and then the second

1477
01:10:24.640 --> 01:10:30.159
<v Speaker 10>raffle was a group of three Planet of the Apes figureines.

1478
01:10:30.279 --> 01:10:32.319
<v Speaker 1>And so would you spend on that? John? Two dollars

1479
01:10:32.359 --> 01:10:35.560
<v Speaker 1>and I spent forty and didn't win anything. Yeah, I

1480
01:10:35.680 --> 01:10:39.960
<v Speaker 1>like it. Yeah, I bet you do. So, so I'll

1481
01:10:39.960 --> 01:10:42.399
<v Speaker 1>tell you what Saturday when we got there, a large

1482
01:10:43.039 --> 01:10:45.520
<v Speaker 1>segment all day was going to be filled up with

1483
01:10:45.560 --> 01:10:48.039
<v Speaker 1>these events. But I think it will buy really fast

1484
01:10:48.279 --> 01:10:51.079
<v Speaker 1>because the theme of the event was Sertling in his

1485
01:10:51.119 --> 01:10:53.800
<v Speaker 1>own words and a lot of what we heard. That

1486
01:10:53.880 --> 01:10:57.600
<v Speaker 1>began with Friday night, it segued into Saturday, and it

1487
01:10:57.640 --> 01:11:00.600
<v Speaker 1>opened up with an audio of Rod's Library of Congress

1488
01:11:00.600 --> 01:11:03.760
<v Speaker 1>speech that was presented by Mark Olshaker. This was very

1489
01:11:03.800 --> 01:11:07.600
<v Speaker 1>powerful stuff. Now, Mark's relationship to Rod Serling is he

1490
01:11:07.680 --> 01:11:11.000
<v Speaker 1>met Rod when he was fourteen years old and continued

1491
01:11:11.039 --> 01:11:14.960
<v Speaker 1>to correspond with Rod through his formative years of being

1492
01:11:14.960 --> 01:11:17.000
<v Speaker 1>a journalist. And Rob was kind of his mentor, it

1493
01:11:17.039 --> 01:11:19.359
<v Speaker 1>was a really cool story that Mark told. But this

1494
01:11:19.479 --> 01:11:21.760
<v Speaker 1>Library of Congress speech was really, really good.

1495
01:11:22.079 --> 01:11:25.840
<v Speaker 10>I would agree that that was fantastic from beginning to end.

1496
01:11:26.079 --> 01:11:28.479
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's just it was. I mean, the way he

1497
01:11:28.520 --> 01:11:32.319
<v Speaker 1>addressed those concerns and how he felt about his writers

1498
01:11:32.319 --> 01:11:34.079
<v Speaker 1>to have the freedom to do what they needed to

1499
01:11:34.119 --> 01:11:36.800
<v Speaker 1>do and talked about freedom and speech. It was really

1500
01:11:36.800 --> 01:11:40.600
<v Speaker 1>good stuff. So Amy Boyle Johnson spoke next. She's the

1501
01:11:40.640 --> 01:11:43.680
<v Speaker 1>author of Unknown Serling. My takeaway from her speech was

1502
01:11:43.680 --> 01:11:46.319
<v Speaker 1>referring to Rod's experiences in the war, and then the

1503
01:11:46.319 --> 01:11:48.680
<v Speaker 1>Planet of the Ape screenplay. The Wrong End of the

1504
01:11:48.680 --> 01:11:51.720
<v Speaker 1>Banana was the title of her presentation, and it came

1505
01:11:51.720 --> 01:11:54.600
<v Speaker 1>from an excerpt from an original line of Rod's screenplay,

1506
01:11:55.239 --> 01:11:58.079
<v Speaker 1>and what Rod wrote was the protagonist gets into a

1507
01:11:58.119 --> 01:12:01.319
<v Speaker 1>cab driven by an ape cabby and says, hey, buddy,

1508
01:12:01.640 --> 01:12:03.520
<v Speaker 1>to you, I look like the wrong end of a banana.

1509
01:12:03.600 --> 01:12:05.640
<v Speaker 1>But in time, we'll get to know each other for

1510
01:12:05.680 --> 01:12:08.039
<v Speaker 1>who we really are. And I think this was Rod

1511
01:12:08.079 --> 01:12:11.039
<v Speaker 1>at its deepest. The quote is really a metaphor for

1512
01:12:11.119 --> 01:12:13.600
<v Speaker 1>judging a character for who they are and not what

1513
01:12:13.640 --> 01:12:17.359
<v Speaker 1>they look like. And then the program segued into a

1514
01:12:17.399 --> 01:12:20.920
<v Speaker 1>TV interview of Rod Serling on a program called Look Here,

1515
01:12:21.000 --> 01:12:26.000
<v Speaker 1>a Dick Cavott type of interview interviewee TI style program.

1516
01:12:26.039 --> 01:12:27.520
<v Speaker 1>And this is where I think you really got to

1517
01:12:27.560 --> 01:12:30.479
<v Speaker 1>see Rod in his element. This interview was done in

1518
01:12:30.520 --> 01:12:34.039
<v Speaker 1>the backyard of his house at Pacific Palisades, and Rod

1519
01:12:34.119 --> 01:12:36.840
<v Speaker 1>really cut loose when he was asked about sponsor interference,

1520
01:12:37.359 --> 01:12:40.560
<v Speaker 1>very passionate, and I think watching this video you could

1521
01:12:40.600 --> 01:12:43.359
<v Speaker 1>see Rod, and I've seen other videos of him talking about,

1522
01:12:43.600 --> 01:12:45.479
<v Speaker 1>you know, I got to play to the sponsors in

1523
01:12:45.560 --> 01:12:48.039
<v Speaker 1>order to get my shows sold. And you could just

1524
01:12:48.079 --> 01:12:49.960
<v Speaker 1>tell this way he was coming from the gut that

1525
01:12:50.319 --> 01:12:52.640
<v Speaker 1>I don't like it when they, you know, trim down

1526
01:12:52.680 --> 01:12:55.399
<v Speaker 1>my stories because these are stories that don't need to

1527
01:12:55.399 --> 01:12:56.880
<v Speaker 1>be trimmed down. And I really like that.

1528
01:12:58.359 --> 01:13:01.399
<v Speaker 10>The interview to me, it was almost confrontational.

1529
01:13:01.640 --> 01:13:04.800
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it was, yeah, because questions the guy was asking

1530
01:13:04.840 --> 01:13:06.600
<v Speaker 1>him is like he's putting him on the spot exactly.

1531
01:13:06.640 --> 01:13:08.399
<v Speaker 1>But you know what though, Rod didn't fold. I mean

1532
01:13:08.399 --> 01:13:09.840
<v Speaker 1>he held his ground to it, and it was like

1533
01:13:09.920 --> 01:13:12.000
<v Speaker 1>almost they wouldn't a guy kind of attacking him a

1534
01:13:12.039 --> 01:13:12.399
<v Speaker 1>little bit.

1535
01:13:13.000 --> 01:13:19.439
<v Speaker 10>Yeah, he kept pressuring him, you know, well, you have

1536
01:13:19.520 --> 01:13:22.600
<v Speaker 10>to kind of cater to the sponsors on one hand,

1537
01:13:22.640 --> 01:13:24.760
<v Speaker 10>in order to get the sponsors and get the money.

1538
01:13:24.960 --> 01:13:28.520
<v Speaker 10>But then you're kind of in a catch twenty two situation.

1539
01:13:28.680 --> 01:13:30.960
<v Speaker 1>Yep. He's constantly pushing and pulling trying to get what

1540
01:13:31.039 --> 01:13:33.720
<v Speaker 1>he needs. Yeah, if you get a chance to see

1541
01:13:33.720 --> 01:13:36.840
<v Speaker 1>that one, it's a good one. Look here. So the

1542
01:13:36.880 --> 01:13:39.199
<v Speaker 1>next thing, coup This is the next portion. I get

1543
01:13:39.199 --> 01:13:41.159
<v Speaker 1>excited about talking about it. I'm gonna spill over my

1544
01:13:41.199 --> 01:13:44.720
<v Speaker 1>words here. But director Jonah Sullis came up and he

1545
01:13:44.880 --> 01:13:48.520
<v Speaker 1>is doing a movie documentary on Rod Surley. Now there's

1546
01:13:48.560 --> 01:13:51.479
<v Speaker 1>been some clips of a title card and a frozen

1547
01:13:51.520 --> 01:13:54.239
<v Speaker 1>Seni or two have been spotted around the internet. So

1548
01:13:54.399 --> 01:13:56.800
<v Speaker 1>Jonah comes in and he explains that this project he

1549
01:13:56.880 --> 01:14:00.279
<v Speaker 1>is doing is being produced by Leonardo DiCaprio and should

1550
01:14:00.279 --> 01:14:03.399
<v Speaker 1>see a release date soon. So then he proceeds to

1551
01:14:03.439 --> 01:14:07.079
<v Speaker 1>show us a little film I called a demo video,

1552
01:14:07.119 --> 01:14:09.479
<v Speaker 1>but he called it a sizzle film, which is what

1553
01:14:09.680 --> 01:14:12.199
<v Speaker 1>I guess in today's words, they used to sell to

1554
01:14:12.239 --> 01:14:15.159
<v Speaker 1>the sponsors to get them to back the project as well.

1555
01:14:15.439 --> 01:14:17.560
<v Speaker 1>It was basically a three minute video of what to

1556
01:14:17.560 --> 01:14:19.359
<v Speaker 1>look for in this coming film. I'll tell you what.

1557
01:14:19.960 --> 01:14:21.680
<v Speaker 1>I was speechless when I saw this and I was

1558
01:14:21.720 --> 01:14:23.960
<v Speaker 1>really excited. Would you think about it? Man? Does it

1559
01:14:24.039 --> 01:14:25.279
<v Speaker 1>look good? It looks exciting?

1560
01:14:26.560 --> 01:14:29.560
<v Speaker 10>Yeah, I mean, what's not to like? It just was

1561
01:14:29.880 --> 01:14:35.119
<v Speaker 10>really really grabbed your attention and and made you excited

1562
01:14:35.159 --> 01:14:36.960
<v Speaker 10>of what this is going to turn out to be.

1563
01:14:37.159 --> 01:14:38.560
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I remember how he said he was going to

1564
01:14:38.600 --> 01:14:42.600
<v Speaker 1>do it. He's using some dictaphone words to where the

1565
01:14:42.640 --> 01:14:45.159
<v Speaker 1>whole movie is going to be in Rod's own words,

1566
01:14:45.239 --> 01:14:47.600
<v Speaker 1>just like the theme of this Serling fest was in

1567
01:14:47.680 --> 01:14:50.239
<v Speaker 1>his own words. Here we got a movie that's going

1568
01:14:50.279 --> 01:14:52.560
<v Speaker 1>to be being produced with Rod's doing all the talking.

1569
01:14:53.039 --> 01:14:57.279
<v Speaker 1>That's really cool. So next up after Tullis was and Serling,

1570
01:14:57.920 --> 01:14:59.680
<v Speaker 1>and she's the daughter of Rod. We all know that.

1571
01:14:59.760 --> 01:15:03.199
<v Speaker 1>But she recited a very poignant speech with the help

1572
01:15:03.239 --> 01:15:06.319
<v Speaker 1>of her cousin, Jeff Serling, Rod's nephew. And during this

1573
01:15:06.399 --> 01:15:09.239
<v Speaker 1>speech they had some rare photographs that were showing up

1574
01:15:09.279 --> 01:15:11.800
<v Speaker 1>on the big screen up on the stage. And I'll

1575
01:15:11.800 --> 01:15:14.720
<v Speaker 1>tell you what, I'm sitting there listening to Anne's speak

1576
01:15:14.760 --> 01:15:17.079
<v Speaker 1>and I'm I'm just like, it was very emotional. It

1577
01:15:17.159 --> 01:15:19.560
<v Speaker 1>was bringing tears in my eyes, and she did a

1578
01:15:19.680 --> 01:15:22.199
<v Speaker 1>very very good job of that. What was your reaction

1579
01:15:22.279 --> 01:15:22.840
<v Speaker 1>to something like that.

1580
01:15:23.079 --> 01:15:27.760
<v Speaker 10>Yeah, it was. It was a very well done speech.

1581
01:15:28.039 --> 01:15:32.039
<v Speaker 10>And in the background, as you're seeing these these photographs,

1582
01:15:32.039 --> 01:15:38.479
<v Speaker 10>these these home pictures that they're taking in their own

1583
01:15:38.560 --> 01:15:44.000
<v Speaker 10>private home and their surroundings, and and watching the one

1584
01:15:44.039 --> 01:15:46.119
<v Speaker 10>with the guitar, well, the one with the guitar, yeah,

1585
01:15:46.159 --> 01:15:49.119
<v Speaker 10>and the other one where he had Anne's lampshade on

1586
01:15:49.159 --> 01:15:49.560
<v Speaker 10>his head.

1587
01:15:50.600 --> 01:15:50.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

1588
01:15:51.039 --> 01:15:53.119
<v Speaker 10>You just you see this man in a in a

1589
01:15:53.199 --> 01:15:56.239
<v Speaker 10>light that that you don't we don't typically see him in.

1590
01:15:56.560 --> 01:15:58.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, I agree, it was. It was. It was

1591
01:15:58.720 --> 01:16:00.840
<v Speaker 1>a look behind the curtains speak, you know what I mean.

1592
01:16:00.880 --> 01:16:05.119
<v Speaker 1>It was. It was really cool. So then the next

1593
01:16:05.119 --> 01:16:07.000
<v Speaker 1>person that was a guy named David B. And Keoley,

1594
01:16:07.079 --> 01:16:09.720
<v Speaker 1>and he is a movie critic TV critic, and he

1595
01:16:09.760 --> 01:16:12.319
<v Speaker 1>talked about teaching through the Twilight Zone. And I really

1596
01:16:12.359 --> 01:16:16.960
<v Speaker 1>liked his presentation because what David talked about was enhanced

1597
01:16:16.960 --> 01:16:19.479
<v Speaker 1>by how lively he was an informative was in his

1598
01:16:19.560 --> 01:16:22.920
<v Speaker 1>presentation and he explained how he would take Twilight Zone

1599
01:16:22.960 --> 01:16:26.199
<v Speaker 1>episodes and incorporate them in the class episodes. And I

1600
01:16:26.239 --> 01:16:28.319
<v Speaker 1>thought that was a really interesting concept and it makes

1601
01:16:28.319 --> 01:16:30.039
<v Speaker 1>me want to go back to school again just to

1602
01:16:30.039 --> 01:16:32.039
<v Speaker 1>have David be the teacher, so I could figure this out.

1603
01:16:33.239 --> 01:16:36.399
<v Speaker 10>I think the funniest part of when he was speaking

1604
01:16:37.720 --> 01:16:40.880
<v Speaker 10>he was having computer difficulties and he was asking anyone

1605
01:16:40.920 --> 01:16:46.239
<v Speaker 10>who would answer for for help, and someone gave him

1606
01:16:46.279 --> 01:16:49.239
<v Speaker 10>the answer, and he whipped out a dollar bill and says,

1607
01:16:49.279 --> 01:16:50.079
<v Speaker 10>take this, take this.

1608
01:16:50.199 --> 01:16:51.439
<v Speaker 1>No, I I.

1609
01:16:53.039 --> 01:16:54.720
<v Speaker 10>Needed the help, So I'm going to pay for the help.

1610
01:16:55.359 --> 01:16:57.000
<v Speaker 10>And this happened a couple of times and it was

1611
01:16:57.039 --> 01:16:58.000
<v Speaker 10>really kind of humorous.

1612
01:16:58.119 --> 01:16:59.760
<v Speaker 1>It was that was that was. That was a good

1613
01:16:59.760 --> 01:17:02.960
<v Speaker 1>time with him. So then next up is Mark Dewidzieck. Now,

1614
01:17:03.039 --> 01:17:04.880
<v Speaker 1>Mark was the author of a book called Everything I

1615
01:17:04.920 --> 01:17:07.560
<v Speaker 1>Need to Know about Life I Learned from the Twilight Zone.

1616
01:17:07.600 --> 01:17:09.079
<v Speaker 1>And I'll tell you what, Mark has got to be

1617
01:17:09.119 --> 01:17:12.520
<v Speaker 1>the smoothest speaker because this guy doesn't need a script.

1618
01:17:12.560 --> 01:17:14.199
<v Speaker 1>You could say, Mark, we want you to talk about

1619
01:17:14.439 --> 01:17:17.000
<v Speaker 1>X and he would talk about X yan Z and

1620
01:17:17.119 --> 01:17:20.479
<v Speaker 1>tie it all together and he just knows his material.

1621
01:17:20.720 --> 01:17:24.239
<v Speaker 1>And what Mark talked about was Rod's time at Antioch College.

1622
01:17:24.279 --> 01:17:26.199
<v Speaker 1>And he reminded us because the question came up to

1623
01:17:26.279 --> 01:17:29.479
<v Speaker 1>him was can you do the Twilight Zone without Rod Serling?

1624
01:17:29.560 --> 01:17:31.319
<v Speaker 1>And he was like, no, you can't do the Twilight

1625
01:17:31.359 --> 01:17:33.720
<v Speaker 1>Zone without Rod Serling because the Rod's not in it.

1626
01:17:33.960 --> 01:17:36.359
<v Speaker 1>Everything else is on its own, you know. And then

1627
01:17:36.520 --> 01:17:39.640
<v Speaker 1>he Mark is from Ohio, so when he talks about

1628
01:17:39.640 --> 01:17:42.560
<v Speaker 1>Antioch College, which is in Ohio, you really can hear

1629
01:17:42.600 --> 01:17:45.159
<v Speaker 1>the passionate voice in his and it's like, long live

1630
01:17:45.199 --> 01:17:48.800
<v Speaker 1>Ohio is right there you go, Mark, So that was

1631
01:17:48.800 --> 01:17:50.720
<v Speaker 1>pretty cool, and I think the next part is what

1632
01:17:50.840 --> 01:17:53.520
<v Speaker 1>I always look forward to, is this roundtable where the

1633
01:17:53.560 --> 01:17:57.199
<v Speaker 1>panel of guests, speakers that have been on the programs already,

1634
01:17:57.520 --> 01:18:01.439
<v Speaker 1>David b and Kewley, Frank Spotnitz, Jonah Tulis, and Joe Dougherty.

1635
01:18:01.840 --> 01:18:04.640
<v Speaker 1>They all fielded questions. They were moderated by Jeff Serling

1636
01:18:04.680 --> 01:18:07.239
<v Speaker 1>and Nick Parsi. And the cool thing about it was

1637
01:18:07.319 --> 01:18:09.640
<v Speaker 1>is once they got through a certain number of questions,

1638
01:18:09.680 --> 01:18:11.520
<v Speaker 1>they turned to the crowd, so we all got to

1639
01:18:11.560 --> 01:18:13.880
<v Speaker 1>ask questions of the group, and it was really cool.

1640
01:18:14.000 --> 01:18:15.920
<v Speaker 1>That took it really about forty five minutes to an

1641
01:18:16.000 --> 01:18:18.560
<v Speaker 1>hour to get through all these It was really informative

1642
01:18:18.600 --> 01:18:21.760
<v Speaker 1>and I can't recap everything that was talked about, but

1643
01:18:21.880 --> 01:18:23.840
<v Speaker 1>I will tell you this, it was good to be

1644
01:18:24.079 --> 01:18:27.279
<v Speaker 1>involved in in mixing and hearing those different ideas and

1645
01:18:27.359 --> 01:18:30.720
<v Speaker 1>how four guys can answer the same question differently, so

1646
01:18:31.159 --> 01:18:32.760
<v Speaker 1>and then you know, of course the night ends with

1647
01:18:32.840 --> 01:18:34.520
<v Speaker 1>the raffle and John we know how you did with

1648
01:18:34.560 --> 01:18:37.079
<v Speaker 1>all that. But I think to wrap things up and

1649
01:18:37.119 --> 01:18:40.000
<v Speaker 1>some things up, just a couple of questions, and you know,

1650
01:18:40.039 --> 01:18:41.720
<v Speaker 1>I think we could talk about is what did you

1651
01:18:41.800 --> 01:18:43.800
<v Speaker 1>like most about serling fests?

1652
01:18:44.560 --> 01:18:47.520
<v Speaker 10>I think what you were just talking to well talking

1653
01:18:47.520 --> 01:18:50.399
<v Speaker 10>about there the roundtable discussion.

1654
01:18:50.800 --> 01:18:51.640
<v Speaker 1>I was one and.

1655
01:18:53.840 --> 01:19:00.520
<v Speaker 10>Joanah told US's presentation about his documentary. When we were

1656
01:19:00.520 --> 01:19:03.720
<v Speaker 10>listening to those presenters taking turns and each giving their

1657
01:19:03.760 --> 01:19:06.560
<v Speaker 10>answers to the same question, that was really interesting to me.

1658
01:19:06.880 --> 01:19:12.199
<v Speaker 10>You got four interpretations or four answers to the same question,

1659
01:19:12.319 --> 01:19:16.840
<v Speaker 10>how they would solve that or however they would go

1660
01:19:16.920 --> 01:19:22.239
<v Speaker 10>about that question. And listening to Jonah described the process

1661
01:19:22.239 --> 01:19:26.000
<v Speaker 10>for putting this documentary together, it's unbelievable.

1662
01:19:27.439 --> 01:19:30.840
<v Speaker 12>The painstaking hours that he went through sorting through all

1663
01:19:30.880 --> 01:19:35.399
<v Speaker 12>of these audio collections on the dictaphone and the innovative

1664
01:19:35.399 --> 01:19:36.680
<v Speaker 12>filmmaking ideas.

1665
01:19:36.960 --> 01:19:39.600
<v Speaker 10>It's really exciting to me. I can't wait to see

1666
01:19:39.600 --> 01:19:39.960
<v Speaker 10>the film.

1667
01:19:40.119 --> 01:19:40.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I can't either.

1668
01:19:40.880 --> 01:19:42.800
<v Speaker 1>I think it's gonna be really, really well done, and

1669
01:19:42.840 --> 01:19:44.720
<v Speaker 1>I think it's gonna be worth it. You know, I

1670
01:19:44.720 --> 01:19:47.319
<v Speaker 1>think you know what did I like most at Sermifest? Yeah,

1671
01:19:47.319 --> 01:19:50.680
<v Speaker 1>the roundtables. It was exciting to see Frank spot and

1672
01:19:50.680 --> 01:19:52.560
<v Speaker 1>that's that, you know, the Xbole episode they show the

1673
01:19:52.600 --> 01:19:54.640
<v Speaker 1>Lost Artist for It's what I've never seen it before,

1674
01:19:55.039 --> 01:19:57.119
<v Speaker 1>but it was. It was really funny and I liked it.

1675
01:19:57.079 --> 01:20:00.479
<v Speaker 1>It's just as everything went through I just I tried

1676
01:20:00.479 --> 01:20:02.520
<v Speaker 1>to when I was thinking about what is.

1677
01:20:02.479 --> 01:20:04.119
<v Speaker 10>The most, what I like the most.

1678
01:20:04.680 --> 01:20:08.479
<v Speaker 1>They really put presentations together that drew Serling's words out

1679
01:20:08.520 --> 01:20:12.279
<v Speaker 1>and explained them and expanded the thought processes behind them,

1680
01:20:12.560 --> 01:20:15.960
<v Speaker 1>or at least the interpretations of the individual And I

1681
01:20:16.039 --> 01:20:18.840
<v Speaker 1>really liked that because it made us all think. You

1682
01:20:18.840 --> 01:20:22.359
<v Speaker 1>remember the round table, I remember spotting this goes Rod Serling.

1683
01:20:22.399 --> 01:20:24.840
<v Speaker 1>Joe had already said it too. He makes you think,

1684
01:20:25.039 --> 01:20:27.640
<v Speaker 1>and that's what I took away from this surling Fest

1685
01:20:27.680 --> 01:20:31.760
<v Speaker 1>the most. So would you ever come back to surling Fest?

1686
01:20:31.960 --> 01:20:32.560
<v Speaker 10>Absolutely?

1687
01:20:33.000 --> 01:20:33.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, absolutely.

1688
01:20:34.159 --> 01:20:36.000
<v Speaker 10>I really enjoyed the entire experience.

1689
01:20:36.039 --> 01:20:40.800
<v Speaker 12>You know, we we saw people there that were from

1690
01:20:40.840 --> 01:20:46.840
<v Speaker 12>all over yeah, England, Australia, yeah, yeah, you know, were

1691
01:20:47.600 --> 01:20:50.880
<v Speaker 12>walked through the streets of Rod's hometown where he we

1692
01:20:50.920 --> 01:20:54.680
<v Speaker 12>took the steps he took we drove past his boyhood

1693
01:20:54.680 --> 01:21:01.000
<v Speaker 12>home in Recreation Park, we saw the statue of Rod

1694
01:21:01.119 --> 01:21:03.119
<v Speaker 12>and Uh rode the carousel.

1695
01:21:03.399 --> 01:21:05.319
<v Speaker 2>That was yeah uh.

1696
01:21:05.680 --> 01:21:08.359
<v Speaker 10>And then when we when we left.

1697
01:21:08.600 --> 01:21:12.239
<v Speaker 12>Headed back to Syracis, we we stopped off to seem

1698
01:21:12.439 --> 01:21:16.119
<v Speaker 12>Rod Serling's grave and you know, those are those are

1699
01:21:16.159 --> 01:21:19.680
<v Speaker 12>just a handful of experiences and that I'll remember from

1700
01:21:19.920 --> 01:21:22.279
<v Speaker 12>a great weekend and me too.

1701
01:21:22.319 --> 01:21:23.920
<v Speaker 1>Man. It was just a really good time, and I'm

1702
01:21:23.960 --> 01:21:26.159
<v Speaker 1>glad we got to spend it together because I got

1703
01:21:26.159 --> 01:21:28.279
<v Speaker 1>to do a lot of talking back and forth and

1704
01:21:28.319 --> 01:21:30.479
<v Speaker 1>sharing these experience and that's the good thing about going

1705
01:21:30.479 --> 01:21:34.000
<v Speaker 1>to Surling Fest is having camaraderie and being able to

1706
01:21:34.039 --> 01:21:36.720
<v Speaker 1>experience these things and share those thoughts, you know as

1707
01:21:36.760 --> 01:21:40.000
<v Speaker 1>you listen to other speakers. He's just wonderful. So anyway,

1708
01:21:40.000 --> 01:21:41.720
<v Speaker 1>well Tom, that's it from John and I. We just

1709
01:21:41.760 --> 01:21:43.720
<v Speaker 1>wanted to get these thoughts out and share them with you.

1710
01:21:44.199 --> 01:21:46.079
<v Speaker 1>It was a really great time and we look forward

1711
01:21:46.119 --> 01:21:49.319
<v Speaker 1>to future Surling Fests. So till next time, mate, Cheers

1712
01:21:50.000 --> 01:22:01.119
<v Speaker 10>Cheers along everyone,