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Speaker 1: What's up everyone, and welcome back to the program. In

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this episode, we're picking up where we left off with

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the declaration of Brian Edelman. During a December thirtieth, twenty

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twenty two press conference, which was live streamed on YouTube,

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Chief of Police James Frye and Lethah County Prosecutor Bill

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Thompson announced that Brian Colberger had been arrested, although a

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few details were released. Mister Thompson pointed the media to

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the probable cause ave of David, which would be released

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after Colberger's extradition from Pennsylvania, with the court issuing a

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gag order in an attempt to protect the defendant's due

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process rights. The media drew heavily from this document and

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widely reporting on purported evidence connecting Brian Colberger to the

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murders e g. DNA cell tower data. These details were

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widely disseminated and discussed by the media for sixteen months

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without any debate over their veracity. Only during an April

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twenty fourth hearing regarding the defense change of venue survey

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did mister Thompson state and open court that many of

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these representations which were tested in the survey were false

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or may not be offered at trial. Despite the court's

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best efforts to stem the flow of prejudicial information to

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the public, Leyta County residents have been saturated with a

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deluge of details pulled from the Affid David, warrants and

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other documents that were not filed under seal. Much of

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this coverage has the potential to undermine the presumption of

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innocence and shift the burden of proof onto the defendant.

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The media detailed evidence allegedly linking Colburger to the murders,

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including cell tower data tracking his movements, video footage of

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the purported killer's car near the victim's home, an alleged

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DNA match with more than ninety nine percent likelihood of

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connecting Colburger to the crime scene, evidence confiscated from Coburger's

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home and car, and eyewitness accounts from one of the

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victim's roommates. Examples of this type of prejudicial coverage include

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police alleged and probable cause affid David that he made

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at least fourteen visits to the cell tower coverage area

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for the King Road House, including twice on the day

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of the student's death. Cell Phone data was a key

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part of the evidence that led to Colburger's arrest in

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December of twenty twenty two. Malre created visuals displaying cell

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phone data. During the grand jury, investigators were able to

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trace the movement of the phone, heading through Genese, Idaho, Uniontown, Idaho,

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and back to Pullman. The estimated locations were consistent with

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that of the white Alantra. According to those cell tower

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records between Pullman and Moscow, a phone registered to Colburger

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stopped reporting to the network or was disabled on the

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night of the killings between two forty seven and four

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forty eight AM, consistent with Colberger attempting to conceal his

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location during the quadruple homicide, the Affidavid said. The cell

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phone data shows that Colberger's phone was recorded at two

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forty seven AM in an area that provides coverage southeast

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of Coburger's Pullman residence, the Affidavid said, suggesting that he

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had been on the move. The phone does not begin

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to show up in the network again until four forty

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eight when it's reported in an area along US Highway

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ninety five south of Moscow. Between four fifty and five

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twenty six am, the phone is recorded traveling on US

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ninety five to Genie, Idaho, then traveling west into Washington

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towards unknown, and then ultimately back to Pullman at five

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thirty am. The phone is recorded in an area consistent

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with Coburger's residence. In the weeks and months before the killing,

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cell tower data recorded that Coburger made at least a

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dozen trips near the King Road residents since his cell

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phone account was opened in June. According to court records,

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all of the trips were late in the evening or

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early morning, except for one the affid David said. According

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to the probable Cause Affidavid, local police used surveillance footage

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of the Elantra and cell phone data to track his

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alleged movements before and after the November thirteenth murders. Detailed

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tracking of Coburger's cell phone and extensive security video of

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a car investigators believe is his. The data did a

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leg leg show him taking a route to and from

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Moscow consistent with the white Lantra police saw on video footage.

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Cell phone data shows him and Moscow near the King

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Road residence on at least twelve occasions between June and

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November thirteenth. Almost all of those occasions occurred in the

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late evening and the early morning hours. Investigators were able

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to identify that the eight to four or five to

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eight phone was receiving signal from nearby cell towers near

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King Road at least twelve times before November thirteenth, usually

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late night or early morning hours. Investigators calmed through hours

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of security video from multiple cameras and concluded that the

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killer likely had been driving a white Hondai Lantra manufactured

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between twenty eleven and twenty sixteen. Based on an FBI

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expert's viewing of the camera footage. He found the twenty

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fifteen a Laantra registered to Coburger. He owned and drove

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a white twenty fifteen Hondi Alantra sedan. Found the Elantra

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that day park near Coburger's apartment. He ran the plates

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and provided the inn information to detectives investigating the u

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of I killings. The Elantra was recorded numerous times on

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security cameras in the neighborhood where the killings occurred, from

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three twenty nine am to four twenty am on the

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morning of the attacks. According to court documents, The last

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time the Alantra was recorded in the neighborhood police said

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the camera captured it traveling at a high rate of speed.

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A review of security footage found in Pullman showed a

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car that appears to be a white Alauntra leaving Pullman

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and heading towards Moscow at two fifty three that morning.

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Cameras also picked up a car appearing to be a

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white Aluntra at five different locations in Pullman, including on

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WSU's campus around five twenty five am. Court records say.

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CNN also reported that Colberger drove to his parents home

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in Pennsylvania from Pullman in a white Honda Alantra. For weeks,

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investigators have been urging the public to send in any

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tips on a twenty eleven twenty thirteen white Hondai A

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Lantra they believe was at the crime scene. Around the

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time of the November thirteenth murders, a vehicle later identified

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as a white Hondai A Lantra was seen driving by

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the apartment more than three times. Investigators were given access

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to video footage from WSU that shows a white vehicle

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leaving from Moscow and later returning a couple hours later.

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On November twenty fifth, WSU police officer Daniel Tiango found

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a white Alantra at the university that was registered to Coburger.

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Later that same day, the vehicle was found at an

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apartment that houses WSU students, where Coburger resided. The Lantra

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was seized when Pennsylvania State Police arrested Coburger at his

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parents' home in the early morning hours of Friday. Police

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believe such a car was at the scene of the crime.

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Around the time of the November thirteenth murders, Investigators at

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a white Hondai Lantra made between twenty eleven and twenty

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sixteen was seen on surveillance footage before and after the

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homicides near where the students were killed at eleven twenty

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two King Road. Coburger and his father were pulled over

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along eastbound Interstate seventy on December thirteenth, as a road

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tripped more than twenty five hundred miles from Pullman, Washington

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to eastern Pennsylvania driving his white twenty fifteen Hondai A Lantra.

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When Indiana Police officers working independently made the two highway

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stops within ten minutes just east of Indianapolis. The heavily

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scrutinized stops, the Brian Colberger. A month after the November

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slangs were instead routine interstate drug trafficking prevention operations by

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two different Indiana police departments. Law enforcement officials in the

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state told the Idaho Statesman a leather sheath for a

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combat style knife was located next to Mogan's body. The

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Affidavid Red police found a tan leather knife sheath lying

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on the bed next to Mogan's right side. The sheath

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had K BAR, USMC and the United States Marine Corps

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Eagle Globe and Anchor insignia stamped on its outside. The

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DNA on the knife sheath was key evidence that led

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to Coburger's arrest in December. According to judge's order, investigative

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genetic genealogy was used to construct a family tree of

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people whose DNA matched with the DNA found on the

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knife sheath left at the King Road house. DNA was

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found on a leather knife sheath found next to Madison

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Mogan's body. The knife was stamped with K BAR and

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the United States Marine Corp insignia. The knife sheath was

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sent to the Idaho State Lab, where an isolated mail

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DNA sample was retrieved. Officers in Pennsylvania recovered trash from

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Coburger's family residence on December twenty seventh, through which the

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ISL was able to make a DNA profile. The DNA

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showed a ninety nine percent match, showing the DNA from

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the family home was likely the father of the suspect.

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The Idaho State Lab later found a single source of

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mal DNA on the button snap of the knife sheath.

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Police believe this is Coburger's DNA after comparing it to

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DNA evidence police obtained from the trash at Coburger's parents'

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house two days before he was arrested. Local police found

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the knife sheep at the King Rode home. At the

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Moscow house where the victims were found stabbed to death

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on November thirteenth, a single source of mal DNA that

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police believe belongs to Coburger was found on the sheath.

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Investigators found DNA that they believe belongs to a man

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accused of stabbing for University of Idaho students to death

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at the home where the killings took place. DNA was

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found on the snap button of a tan leather knife

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sheath left on the bed where the bodies of Madison

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Mogan and Kaylee Gonsalves were discovered. The DNA found in

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the Coburger's trash matches more than a ninety nine point

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nine to nine percent likelihood to the father of the

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person whose DNA was found on the knife sheaths. DNA

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was found on the snap button of a tan leather

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knife sheath left on the bed where the bodies of

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Mogan and Gonsolvas were discovered. According to court records, police

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believed the genetic materials links Coburger, a former Washington State

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University Criminal Justice graduate student, to the killings, based on

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another DNA sample obtained from his family's trash in Pennsylvania

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on December twenty seventh. The DNA was then matched to

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him through a cheek swab taken when he was in custody.

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Court records say police used a search warrant to collect

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a bugle swab from Coburger, and the DNA comparison showed

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a statistical match. The DNA evidence came from a kbar

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knife sheath that was found on a bed next to

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the bodies of Mogan and Gonsalves in their King Road

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home near the UI campus. The sheath was faced down

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and partially under both Mogan's body and the comforter on

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the bed that did not match any DNA from the

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convicted offenders, arrestees, or other crime scenes. It typically involves

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sending the DNA sample to a genetic genealogy service like

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ancestry dot Com or twenty three and meters. Police who

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use these services can build a family tree to narrow

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down a potential suspect based on age, gender, opportunity, and

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known physical characteristics. This led police to recover trash from

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the home of Brian Colberger's parents and compare DNA from

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that with a kbar knife sheath. That comparison indicated that

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the DNA found on the trash belonged to the biological

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father of the individual who left the on the k

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bar knife. The core document says, all right, we're gonna

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wrap up this episode here and in the next episode,

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we're gonna pick up where we left off, and that's

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with a roommate detailed seeing an individual dressed in black

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the night for University of Idaho's students were killed. All

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of the information that goes with this episode can be

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found in the description box

