Speaker 1: M Congo.
Speaker 2: It's not Jurassic Park because gorillas aren't dinosaurs.
Speaker 3: What okay, so far, I'm going to need a minute
Speaker 3: to unpack that.
Speaker 4: I think Michael Creighton might just have a problem with cohesion.
Speaker 5: Libry sucks. Thanks for nothing.
Speaker 6: Do you know what deceased author? I would absolutely have
Speaker 6: sex with?
Speaker 1: What is this hot garbage?
Speaker 7: Oh?
Speaker 3: Guys, is Michael Crichton canceled?
Speaker 2: It would have been really cool if at the end
Speaker 2: she said Amy bad gorilla cigarette.
Speaker 7: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Well, everyone, welcome, bad guy.
Speaker 1: So excited to be back.
Speaker 2: We've got a great book and we got some great guests.
Speaker 2: So great, we have great Okay, fine, well the book
Speaker 2: is Congo by Michael Crichton.
Speaker 1: Woooo.
Speaker 5: I was pushing for this book.
Speaker 1: For Yes, I was too. That's Clara, you're hearing. I'm Sarah.
Speaker 5: This is Clara.
Speaker 1: We also have Johnna.
Speaker 6: Hi.
Speaker 1: Here's my voice, yes Rina, what you guys? Yes, also
Speaker 1: my voice. And if this is your.
Speaker 2: First time listening, we are Mean book club and we
Speaker 2: read New York Times bestsellers that we don't think should
Speaker 2: be Clara.
Speaker 1: We've got other people here. Do you want to we have.
Speaker 8: We are very lucky today because we have not one
Speaker 8: great guest, but two great guests, Colin O'Brien and Michael.
Speaker 9: Whoa Hello, thank you for having us excited to be.
Speaker 8: Colin is a writer and performer and producer. In twenty sixteen,
Speaker 8: he was selected as one of the New Phases of
Speaker 8: Comedy at the Just for Laughs Festival in Montreal.
Speaker 5: I don't stop there. Michael is a comedian, are and director.
Speaker 5: His work can be seen on Comedy Central MTV. And
Speaker 5: you guessed it, i FC.
Speaker 1: I didn't guess that.
Speaker 8: Together, they host Literati, a podcast about the greatest American
Speaker 8: novels never written.
Speaker 1: Wow, so literature lovers over here.
Speaker 3: Yes, it's a lot like your podcast, except we do
Speaker 3: less actual reading or kind of throwing our own back.
Speaker 1: To be clear, some of us don't do that. The reading.
Speaker 9: I pretty much relish before, rely on what I've heard
Speaker 9: about books for our podcast. No actual reading.
Speaker 6: What have you heard about them?
Speaker 7: You know?
Speaker 9: The stuff like the the you know is the best
Speaker 9: of time's worst of times. I've heard that around, never
Speaker 9: actually read a lot of jokes based off of that
Speaker 9: of the Big Whale and Moby Dick.
Speaker 3: Somebody's got to get that dressed up?
Speaker 5: Is in for Halloween? Once at school, you had you
Speaker 5: dressed up as a.
Speaker 8: Literary character for extra credit for Halloween. The Big Whale
Speaker 8: chows a big whale?
Speaker 1: How did you though? I like that.
Speaker 8: I had a box and I painted it white and
Speaker 8: cut a hole in the center. And then my friend
Speaker 8: at school was Captain Aheb and he did tackle me
Speaker 8: inside the box.
Speaker 9: And my very first Halloween costume, my mom put me
Speaker 9: like cut a hole in the bottom of a paper
Speaker 9: grocery bag and then two armholes and then they've just
Speaker 9: filled it with like milk carton, empty egg carton. I
Speaker 9: essentially went as Trashween. Bring the costume back at the
Speaker 9: end of the night.
Speaker 2: Wow, amazing, amazing. So you guys made us read this book?
Speaker 1: Why?
Speaker 9: Yeah, well we only had two options go to the
Speaker 9: library of whatever you want. You made us read a
Speaker 9: book and we were like shots fired. Longo it is?
Speaker 1: And then what made you pick Kongo out of your selections?
Speaker 3: I'm very excited to hear Collin's answer. I don't know
Speaker 3: if Colin knows my answer. I grew up loving Michael Crichton.
Speaker 3: He was one of the first authors that I read.
Speaker 3: That's very interesting. We're friends. One of the first authors
Speaker 3: that I would read a lot of when I got
Speaker 3: out of like strictly children's books because they were in
Speaker 3: my basement. My dad read them, and I liked feeling
Speaker 3: like I was learning a little bit, and I thought
Speaker 3: that there were like really great exciting adventure novels that
Speaker 3: I could also then use to like tout different science facts.
Speaker 3: I also read all fifty three Anamorph's books plus the Specials,
Speaker 3: which wasn't another like kind of adventurous kind of science book.
Speaker 3: This one I had not read, and I don't like it.
Speaker 3: It makes me wonder if I actually would enjoy the
Speaker 3: Michael Crichton books that I read as a kid.
Speaker 1: How did you guys?
Speaker 9: Oh wait, I mean, I know I speak for Colin Colin,
Speaker 9: why do you so? I mean, we have a running
Speaker 9: bit about how much we love Michael Crichton, So that
Speaker 9: was sort of like, this is a good reason to
Speaker 9: read Michael Krechton.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 9: But then also similarly, I like as a kid, like
Speaker 9: Jurassic Park was I was not allowed to see as
Speaker 9: a kid, and I saw it and really liked it.
Speaker 9: And then I found out that Congo was also like
Speaker 9: based on like a book by Michael before.
Speaker 3: It's the same book really very close, like first draft
Speaker 3: of Jurassic he wrote this first, right, yes he did.
Speaker 3: He definitely felt like, Okay, I got to go on
Speaker 3: a big adventure with some kind of crazy animal or whatever.
Speaker 6: We need a bookish scientist.
Speaker 9: Yeah yeah, but at least with Jurassic Park, people can't
Speaker 9: claim you're racist, right.
Speaker 6: Yeah the book.
Speaker 1: Maybe they could the book, Yeah, so go ahead.
Speaker 6: One.
Speaker 3: One other thing is that we do sometimes joke when
Speaker 3: when we've done the live show about Congo as a
Speaker 3: book and having read it, and we always would make
Speaker 3: a joke about like, oh, it's such a big monkey,
Speaker 3: thinking that it was about one big monkey, and Jill
Speaker 3: about halfway through the book that I was like, there's
Speaker 3: lots of the god.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, yeah, not at all. It's about a gorillas actually,
Speaker 6: like we don't a new breed of gorilla totally. I'm
Speaker 6: actually curious because the real person pushing Congo was Clara for.
Speaker 5: Yes, a year.
Speaker 8: Yeah, and I really want to know why animals.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 9: I thought i'd also say that when you sent us
Speaker 9: the email giving us the option to choose the book,
Speaker 9: Congo was in bold and Dianetics was in like eight
Speaker 9: font where yeah.
Speaker 8: Yeah, subliminal gotcha, gotcha.
Speaker 3: So it's dianetics.
Speaker 2: We like to do a little up top just let
Speaker 2: people know how we read the book, because we usually
Speaker 2: read it a million different ways.
Speaker 1: So how had you guys read the audiobook? Did you
Speaker 1: steal it? You know, et cetera.
Speaker 3: I found an ebook from a less than reputable source,
Speaker 3: Claire option, but it was definitely from a site that
Speaker 3: had a lot of bandrads for things I did not click.
Speaker 3: But the font was so bad, you know in movies,
Speaker 3: the type of font that's on computers when they're hacking,
Speaker 3: and it's like yeah, robotic, very yeah. And so I
Speaker 3: ended up saying I can't read this anymore, and I
Speaker 3: just got it from Amazon as an e book. Okay, okay, Yeah.
Speaker 9: I did an audio book that I found a link
Speaker 9: for it on YouTube, So I guess you could say
Speaker 9: I stole it.
Speaker 6: Uh yeah, we also stole it all nice work.
Speaker 9: Yeah, so it was an audio book.
Speaker 1: I think Claire would appreciate that. You still usually steals PDFs.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, how did you read it?
Speaker 5: However, this time I have.
Speaker 8: Another bone to pick with the library.
Speaker 6: I got abody's.
Speaker 1: Taking them down.
Speaker 3: Those pricks have been can I say pricks?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Briggs.
Speaker 3: I've been rubbing it in our faces for two Yeah, you.
Speaker 6: Can say way more than pricks on.
Speaker 8: The podloaded a book, an ebook from the library. Great,
Speaker 8: I'm reading the book, I'm highlighting, I'm taking notes. Then
Speaker 8: they say, okay, it's due, No problem, I'll renew it.
Speaker 8: Can't renew it. Somebody's waiting for somebody desperately needs this
Speaker 8: book from nineteen eighty who else?
Speaker 6: Who else might have won in the book.
Speaker 5: Well, I thought it might have been one of you creeps.
Speaker 1: It wasn't.
Speaker 8: But then so anyway, I had to give it up. Okay, fine,
Speaker 8: I hope all my notes saved then I could get
Speaker 8: it out again. So I put it on hold as
Speaker 8: soon as I could not in the you download it
Speaker 8: and then once it's downloaded, you can do notes on your.
Speaker 1: Phone, Nancy.
Speaker 8: So I put it on hold. A few days later,
Speaker 8: I got it back. All my notes are gone.
Speaker 4: Well yeah, obviously no, can't the app remember that?
Speaker 5: And just like keep my note I.
Speaker 4: Had a digital copy another person, clear, Yeah I wouldn't.
Speaker 1: I don't think I would have assumed they would have.
Speaker 9: Saved an e book for like a certain.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, you do give it.
Speaker 9: It's a life needs it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, library, so I've already done it.
Speaker 3: I got overdrive, which is the app when.
Speaker 5: I use Libby, which is the same.
Speaker 6: Thing I use.
Speaker 3: Every time I do it, and never I want to
Speaker 3: read a book, They're like, no, there are no copies.
Speaker 3: Maybe if you lived in Westchester, but so I can never.
Speaker 9: Really.
Speaker 5: Yeah, libraries or library suck. Thanks for nothing, I can't
Speaker 5: name one.
Speaker 4: I vote in a free vote at my library, a
Speaker 4: free book twice, but they.
Speaker 6: Yeah, my notes.
Speaker 3: I voted a my local public school, which is great
Speaker 3: because I'm there anyway, and they.
Speaker 9: Probably also have a library. You can probably.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's where I go for the bead bag cheers.
Speaker 6: How did you read?
Speaker 1: How did I read?
Speaker 4: Well, you guys, I got an audio book and I did.
Speaker 4: I was listening to it, of course on triple speed.
Speaker 4: Of course that's the only way to listen.
Speaker 3: You're an author. Breathe.
Speaker 1: I found a child's book report on it that I.
Speaker 9: Read what what was the title?
Speaker 4: Basically it was basically a summary of the book with
Speaker 4: like child input in it about how they felt about
Speaker 4: certain things. They're feelings that I found a weird review
Speaker 4: on YouTube.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just did the audio book. JOHNA. Would you
Speaker 1: do well.
Speaker 6: I know I came down a little hard on Sabriathe,
Speaker 6: but no, no, I got it. This was a hard
Speaker 6: one to find. I don't know if Michael Crichton is
Speaker 6: trying to take it out of circulation.
Speaker 1: It would make Michael Crichton is dead.
Speaker 6: So I have sorry to hear that. People. They did
Speaker 6: not have it at the Strand. Everybody knows I'm kind
Speaker 6: of a Strand queen.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, they've got over a mile of books.
Speaker 6: I do know it, Michael, I know it. I am
Speaker 6: thirty pages away from the end, dying to know how.
Speaker 6: Tell me what happens.
Speaker 4: You're gonna be ashamed of me once you see that
Speaker 4: I had to write down this as a summary.
Speaker 5: I'm already ashamed of you. Yeah.
Speaker 4: It's a book about researchers and a smart gorilla traveling
Speaker 4: to the Congo where another group of explorers disappeared and where.
Speaker 1: They're sorry, this is so embarrassing. Lots of blue diamonds.
Speaker 4: So it has like a lot of the stuff that,
Speaker 4: as we alluded to, the Jurassic Park has like explorer
Speaker 4: fantasy type thing, but also without the cool good parts
Speaker 4: of Jurassic Park. And it has a very like technical specific
Speaker 4: type of language, kind of like boring Tom Clancy books.
Speaker 4: And it is boring like a Tom Clancy book.
Speaker 2: Wow, I think if people, if you hadn't read the book,
Speaker 2: you're with us now caught up.
Speaker 9: You can also just summarize it. Fun with monkeys, yeah.
Speaker 2: Fun with monkeys, fun and drama fun with yeah yeah
Speaker 2: yeah yeah.
Speaker 1: Johanna, you have a wine for us.
Speaker 6: So I knew that we were a big crowd tonight.
Speaker 6: So I got two wines, two different wines. So okay.
Speaker 6: The first one I got is called Teddies and it
Speaker 6: is a classique Passel Roblez California, and it has I
Speaker 6: got because it has a picture of a gorilla.
Speaker 1: On the front.
Speaker 5: Really good.
Speaker 1: I was like, a teddy bear.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that is not a gorilla.
Speaker 6: I think it's a gorilla.
Speaker 2: Called Teddies, Yeah, Paddington, it's a sick teddy bear.
Speaker 9: Did teddy bears ever branch out to like other animals,
Speaker 9: like a teddy gorilla or a teddy no bear? Interesting?
Speaker 6: So luckily this one has a gorilla. And then the
Speaker 6: other one I got was Tehrone Temporie. Oh, and I
Speaker 6: got it because Tehran is like terror and tear and
Speaker 6: the gorillas did a lot of shredding test or.
Speaker 1: Terror offended by John's accents?
Speaker 6: What tehran temper oneo, temporaneo? That's right, really so hard
Speaker 6: that I can't.
Speaker 9: Speaking of accents. So one thing, I had never actually
Speaker 9: listened to an audio book before, and I didn't really
Speaker 9: It makes sense listening to it now, but I didn't
Speaker 9: expect it before. I'm like, oh, they do all the accents, yeah, and.
Speaker 6: All the voices.
Speaker 2: Impressed Sometimes I'm just impressed by how like, oh that's
Speaker 2: a different voice.
Speaker 1: Oh, you're just listen to.
Speaker 3: An audiobook that James Franco read and I don't recommend it.
Speaker 3: Not as much range as you'd think. Okay, it sucked
Speaker 3: the whole time.
Speaker 1: Might he might have as much range as I expect? Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's true.
Speaker 9: That's how much range we think he has.
Speaker 3: So which, So this one that Tehran wine is because
Speaker 3: the girl has a lot of terr hair.
Speaker 6: And then also you can see there's a little river
Speaker 6: on it, like the Congo River. I think you could
Speaker 6: just on.
Speaker 8: That finish the book because the river parts. In the beginning,
Speaker 8: the river's like a big deal, but as you read
Speaker 8: it becomes less and less in my world.
Speaker 6: All right, So who wants the gorilla one?
Speaker 3: I would love some girla yeah, the gorilla one.
Speaker 1: I think.
Speaker 2: Just while we're pouring, why don't we take a quick
Speaker 2: commercial break. Yeah, I get the stuff, Pard, listen to
Speaker 2: products services, and we'll be right back bye, and we're
Speaker 2: back all right.
Speaker 1: I hope you bought those things.
Speaker 8: Sarah was like talking to us and during the commercial break,
Speaker 8: and without pausing that conversation at all, seamlessly went from
Speaker 8: a sentence, a private sentence, not meant for the audience
Speaker 8: to welcome back.
Speaker 1: Well, maybe it was meant for the audience, and it
Speaker 1: will be included.
Speaker 3: Audience know that during the commercials, you make us all
Speaker 3: sit perfectly quiet and look at each other, and everybody
Speaker 3: make eye contact.
Speaker 8: They know because they know Sarah's carrictro Is.
Speaker 6: Wine's supposed to have a strongly rubbing alcohol smell to
Speaker 6: the nose of it. Because that's what I'm getting. That's
Speaker 6: what I'm getting when I put this is the Teddy's
Speaker 6: Guerrilla Gorilla. Yeah, really, I'm sorry. It's not that cheap
Speaker 6: of a wine.
Speaker 1: That's a shame.
Speaker 6: Yeah, this one's far cheaper. So I'm I'm definitely worried
Speaker 6: about how this one's gonna go. That's where Teddy started?
Speaker 1: What is the Teddies? What kind of Yeah, maybe it's
Speaker 1: the type we don't like. No, that's it.
Speaker 2: That's that is That actually makes sense because I think
Speaker 2: in Congo he has some issues with like environmentalists and
Speaker 2: animal rights activists.
Speaker 5: So I feel like, yeah, he want us to have
Speaker 5: Karen Ross.
Speaker 9: Didn't she like didn't didn't she like she was she
Speaker 9: thought it was like all hype, like yeah, yeah, change
Speaker 9: and stuff. Yeah, yeah, very topical.
Speaker 1: Very topical. Wow, he really saw the future. Karen.
Speaker 8: This was so good female protagonist in this book. She
Speaker 8: is a child genius, was a child.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't now twenty four.
Speaker 2: Right Before we start jumping into the characters, though, I
Speaker 2: just want to give you some background.
Speaker 1: You get everyone apologize, maybe you'll be apologizing.
Speaker 3: Bealf of Colin for both the literati boys.
Speaker 2: This book, published in nineteen eighty, spent twelve weeks on
Speaker 2: the bestseller list, and then again when it came out
Speaker 2: paperback in ninety three, which is a long time.
Speaker 1: I thought to go, it was just hardcover. It was
Speaker 1: hardcover for thirteen years. My god, did the.
Speaker 9: Ninety three did it? Did? It was that around Jurassic Park,
Speaker 9: was it, like.
Speaker 1: No, it was a little before Jurassic Park. So I
Speaker 1: don't know.
Speaker 2: I think Jurassic Park the movie was ninety five. Maybe
Speaker 2: I don't remember.
Speaker 6: I want to say ninety three.
Speaker 2: Actually maybe then that would make sense. Then maybe that
Speaker 2: is what it was. That would also make sense.
Speaker 1: But also like why were you paperback before? Kind of rude.
Speaker 2: The genesis of this book is unusual for other books
Speaker 2: compared to other books that we've read. Obviously, Michael Crichton
Speaker 2: he wrote The Andromatas Stray in nineteen sixty nine. He
Speaker 2: was in his twenties, first big hit, first book, best
Speaker 2: you don't like, I'm.
Speaker 9: Glad he's dead. Honestly, I was going to say.
Speaker 1: That I felt uncomfortable. Yeah, me glad.
Speaker 2: It was said, you know what, they love him so much,
Speaker 2: let's make it a movie hit movie.
Speaker 1: All right.
Speaker 2: You know what, Crichton, do you want to write and
Speaker 2: direct movies? Yes, okay, you're gonna do that. He gets
Speaker 2: to do West World, he does The Great Train Robbery,
Speaker 2: which stars Sean Connery. He's like, I love Sean Connery,
Speaker 2: like the Yes, it is the same basis.
Speaker 3: There was a movie earlier which I that was his movie.
Speaker 1: He directed the movie.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, but I think the movie's pretty good. It's
Speaker 3: very fun and silly.
Speaker 1: And the one from seventy three.
Speaker 6: Yeah, we like him and we don't wish he was dead.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 3: Interesting, I'm still.
Speaker 1: Anyway.
Speaker 2: So he then he adapted one of his own novels,
Speaker 2: The Great Rain Robbery, was starring Sean Connery.
Speaker 1: He was like, I love Sean Connery. I'm going to
Speaker 1: write a book for her. Okay.
Speaker 6: He just wrote a book for Okay, the book.
Speaker 2: A book with the So so this didn't start out
Speaker 2: as a book pitch.
Speaker 1: It was a movie pitch, like he wanted him to
Speaker 1: play that.
Speaker 2: He was like, there is going to be a movie,
Speaker 2: So he wrote this kind of He already had money
Speaker 2: for the movie when he wrote this, so he was
Speaker 2: writing screenplay and book at the same time.
Speaker 1: Does that make sense.
Speaker 3: It's already optioned.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was already it was and so can do
Speaker 1: you guys know the role that was written for Sean Connery?
Speaker 3: Was it the oh, the Sam Neil roll in Jurassic Park.
Speaker 1: I don't know, it was the I mean it was
Speaker 1: for Congo. For Congo, it didn't get me.
Speaker 6: Characters was written for Sean Connery pretty much.
Speaker 9: It was like he wanted it.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yes, and it was it was option to
Speaker 1: be a movie like before the.
Speaker 6: Oh my god?
Speaker 1: Was it?
Speaker 6: Was it Monroe?
Speaker 1: Was that it was Monroe? Yeah?
Speaker 8: Yeah? And Monroe is a sort of Safari guide slash
Speaker 8: weapons dealer Scottish broke.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Someone was like, we don't need young women helping us
Speaker 4: out until we do.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Maybe that's the till part of the book. I didn't
Speaker 6: get to.
Speaker 2: I honestly don't know why the movie fell apart, like
Speaker 2: why because it didn't get made till like ninety five?
Speaker 1: Is that what we happened made after?
Speaker 8: Yeah?
Speaker 1: So, but I couldn't really pig out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there wasn't really any goss or even about like
Speaker 2: why it fell apart, But it just did.
Speaker 1: Maybe the maybe because they read the book and they said,
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 5: I do not think it was like a little racist anthropomorphic,
Speaker 5: uh like fake ape, you know, I think that was really.
Speaker 6: Really did you want here?
Speaker 3: Watched the movie?
Speaker 1: I have not seen a movie.
Speaker 6: I would love to make a night of it.
Speaker 1: So was it? I would love to do it?
Speaker 2: Was it dad did in ninety five? Let's yeah? So
Speaker 2: you saw the movie. What do you think of the movie? Oh,
Speaker 2: I saw that.
Speaker 9: I saw the trailer as a kid. I was like,
Speaker 9: this is too scary for me.
Speaker 6: It's hard to distinguish it too much from like King Kong.
Speaker 6: It is just like a scary gorilla sure takes over.
Speaker 6: Also similar to Planet of the Apes.
Speaker 4: I will say a YouTuber did a review of the
Speaker 4: movie versus the book, and I considered watching that in
Speaker 4: my research.
Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you close think you would have an outful well, Laura,
Speaker 2: Lenny Tim Currier in the movie version, and apparently Sean
Speaker 2: Sean Connery is not in it.
Speaker 6: He just did it. I waged out of the role.
Speaker 6: I'm assumed.
Speaker 9: Do you imagine an old man skydiving?
Speaker 3: Yeah, Sean Conry, he just really boxedes audition.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm the casting but anything.
Speaker 2: Just to go back a little bit about Crichton though, uh,
Speaker 2: you guys probably know that he was in medical school.
Speaker 2: He started writing on the side to help pay for
Speaker 2: his tuition.
Speaker 1: So this was just a side game that he made million.
Speaker 5: It's rich quick right stories.
Speaker 6: One of the most lasting and phenomenal stories ever told.
Speaker 6: Jurassic Park.
Speaker 8: I think you I just wanted to tell the audience
Speaker 8: listening at home, and if the person who reviewed us
Speaker 8: and said that sometimes we eat on the cast and
Speaker 8: it's gross is still listening. John, I took good Ship
Speaker 8: out of the bowl, walked out of the room, ate
Speaker 8: it while making eye contact with me, and it's smirking,
Speaker 8: and then came back.
Speaker 2: And you don't have to do that next time. He
Speaker 2: also was to the creator and executive producer of Er.
Speaker 6: He is so prolific.
Speaker 1: He really is. It's impressive. He was married five times. Okay,
Speaker 1: that's all I wanted.
Speaker 3: I remember as a kid, I was like, I can't
Speaker 3: be good at everything Michael Crichton stuff. I want to
Speaker 3: read everything. So I read his book Travels, which was
Speaker 3: just like stories of his life, and I was maybe twelve,
Speaker 3: and he has a whole chapter about cheating on his
Speaker 3: wife with his busty secretary. I believed. I was like, oh,
Speaker 3: maybe I shouldn't. I know, they say don't meet your heroes,
Speaker 3: but maybe don't read your heroes autobiographical short story.
Speaker 1: Of course, I.
Speaker 4: Am really delighted to know that that was your takeaway
Speaker 4: from it and not like, yeah, I'm gonna cheat on
Speaker 4: my wife with my busty secretary.
Speaker 5: Well what musty like a basement. Was like gross, his
Speaker 5: wife must have been as.
Speaker 3: A child, I knew. I was like, something's not right here.
Speaker 6: You know what deceased author? I would absolutely have sex
Speaker 6: with What is this?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 10: I just assumed it was one of your segments.
Speaker 3: Okay, I'm gonna guess.
Speaker 1: The way she's looking at you was like, you definitely know.
Speaker 1: I know.
Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure.
Speaker 8: I know.
Speaker 3: Should I guess genre or no, I'm just gonna go
Speaker 3: for it, say William Shakespeare.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I would sleep with all twenty of them. No,
Speaker 6: I would sleep with Ernest was going to Oh my god,
Speaker 6: I would.
Speaker 5: He would sleep with her.
Speaker 6: I would be honored if he would.
Speaker 5: Or do you get the confidence?
Speaker 6: I don't know, you're right? Oh my gosh, just kind
Speaker 6: of his general shitty demeanor.
Speaker 1: Wow, I don't want to know who i'd sleep with.
Speaker 2: The have to be dead, they have to be a corpse.
Speaker 6: Okay, his body just disappeared.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm gonna go ahead and dibbs doctor sus and.
Speaker 9: You know what he's doing.
Speaker 6: So yeah, yeah, he would be freaky. I bet Oh yeah, yeah,
Speaker 6: Well I think we should all say.
Speaker 1: I'm going to circle back because I didn't need time
Speaker 1: to think. Okay, okay, yeah, let's just circle back. We
Speaker 1: now clear. I think you wanted to dig into the characters. Yeah.
Speaker 8: First, I did have something to say about the movie.
Speaker 8: The amusement park near my home, King's Dominion, had a
Speaker 8: huge congo section before the movie came out. They built
Speaker 8: a huge congo section to try.
Speaker 5: To keep up the owned.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's a paramount Paramount Kings Dominion.
Speaker 9: Where'd you grow up?
Speaker 5: DC area?
Speaker 3: Specifically Maryland? Could you get more like street street number
Speaker 3: the high school? Okay?
Speaker 8: Okay, So they were really banking on it, and nobody
Speaker 8: ever went in there, just even the attraction, the rides
Speaker 8: and stuff you go.
Speaker 3: Was it like a jungle ride sort of?
Speaker 5: I don't know. I never went.
Speaker 9: Just like a gorillas that like would pretend like they
Speaker 9: would crush your head.
Speaker 1: I can imagine. I love it, describe it like that.
Speaker 8: The only part I went in was a cool down
Speaker 8: zone where they have like missed you.
Speaker 1: Know, that's in every week. That's common.
Speaker 5: Yeah, they had one congo randed.
Speaker 1: Okay, that makes sense.
Speaker 6: Also, Colin brought up an important point the way that
Speaker 6: the gorillas kill people in the book. I think we
Speaker 6: should touch on they touch on it.
Speaker 1: Now they.
Speaker 6: Take to canoe paddles. They take made a stone, big
Speaker 6: stone canoe paddles, and then they canoe paddle both sides
Speaker 6: of the head.
Speaker 5: They do call them stone paddles.
Speaker 2: I was igine, why would you say canoe paddles.
Speaker 6: I pictured them as canoosd I just don't all right,
Speaker 6: just making clear WAPs you on both sides of the head.
Speaker 1: That seems efficient.
Speaker 8: I imagined it was kind of like those beach paddles
Speaker 8: you know that broke.
Speaker 2: Yes, there's so many different types of pattles.
Speaker 6: Youah, that's how they came up with that description.
Speaker 8: Talk about it really like is like squeezing an orange.
Speaker 2: They these apes or hum apes as we might call
Speaker 2: them later before we get to them, and they do
Speaker 2: show up a little the end, because all the genesis
Speaker 2: of the story is like, there's a extra expedition.
Speaker 1: That was the word I.
Speaker 8: Want to thank you everyone embarrassing.
Speaker 1: Well, you just said there and said like exactly.
Speaker 3: Just like switched it to extra extra cool extra.
Speaker 1: It was crazy. It was going darm me crazy.
Speaker 2: They went on an expedition and they died and these
Speaker 2: you know, hum apes killed them.
Speaker 1: That's not what they're called them. That hpe why it's weird.
Speaker 2: I can't say human z because they're not chimps. So yeah,
Speaker 2: humrilla is pretty good.
Speaker 3: Bok the Elliott tensus.
Speaker 6: Yeah Gorilla Elliott tensis after Elliott, the man bookish scientist
Speaker 6: who discovers them.
Speaker 1: Good transition into talking about the characters, just call.
Speaker 9: Them big bad killer gorillas.
Speaker 1: Big brilla. I like killer gorilla. Peter Elliott. Uh so,
Speaker 1: Peter Elliott is a doctor and he has an ape
Speaker 1: I mean, not a metical believer, but you know.
Speaker 8: Adjunct professor at Berkeley who is also working on a
Speaker 8: research project which is teaching apes to talk through sign language.
Speaker 3: Yep, just based off of like Coco, I.
Speaker 2: Love Cocoa, Clary does love doctor Penny Patterson and Coco.
Speaker 5: You guys seen Okay, Coco is so cool. You guys
Speaker 5: seen the videos of her.
Speaker 3: She loves Williams. Yes, I will say that this world,
Speaker 3: it's so hard to find joy and hope, but watching
Speaker 3: videos of Coco truly truly makes me happy to be
Speaker 3: totally sincere. It's like, it's amazing and beautiful.
Speaker 6: She has a.
Speaker 5: Baby doll that she carries around and stuff.
Speaker 1: Okay, I've never really watched Cocoa.
Speaker 5: It's fine, people, we'll have to get into the kittens.
Speaker 8: She gets sad when one of our kittens passes away
Speaker 8: and they get her news.
Speaker 3: And again with Robin Williams, who really is the A
Speaker 3: star A star in the situation, he sort of has
Speaker 3: a lot more chrisma you can see. Yeah, yeah, why
Speaker 3: he's in a lot of movies and Cocoa. It's just
Speaker 3: in these his best video it is. He just like
Speaker 3: they play together and he hides and she like they
Speaker 3: do jokes and stuff and it's very cute and funny.
Speaker 3: I don't know why he was chosen.
Speaker 2: But do you think Peter Elliott would have been better
Speaker 2: if he was more his characters maybe more based.
Speaker 3: Definitely like a Patch Adam Start, Yeah exactly film.
Speaker 8: Yeah really, or maybe if Michael Crichton had seen some
Speaker 8: of these Cocoa videos, maybe the.
Speaker 5: Character would be better.
Speaker 1: That's really based off them, So I'm sure you do.
Speaker 9: I don't know, Robin Williams, that's.
Speaker 5: I don't know when.
Speaker 1: Accurate.
Speaker 2: So Amy is is Gorilla and the reason why they
Speaker 2: end up in the Congo is because Amy is having
Speaker 2: nightmares where she's seeing this essentially lost village of zinge,
Speaker 2: and he thinks that like going, I don't.
Speaker 1: I didn't. I'm actually saying this like this because I
Speaker 1: didn't quite understand why they were bringing Amy the age.
Speaker 4: She's starting to like shut down because she's having these
Speaker 4: nightmares and then she's drawing right right, right lost, So
Speaker 4: he thinks that her nightmares are about that, and he
Speaker 4: like wants to take her there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he thinks this is something like memories can
Speaker 2: or can be genetically our dreams.
Speaker 1: Can you do him?
Speaker 9: Yes? To invite him on the like happened, so it'll seem.
Speaker 1: Is that what happened.
Speaker 4: Us about why they can And then he was like
Speaker 4: she was like we're actually doing this expedition into the
Speaker 4: congo and he's like, I want to go, and she's like, I.
Speaker 1: Was actually calling for a different reason reason. It's not
Speaker 1: calling for to take him. It just I.
Speaker 9: Know she just got a wrong number.
Speaker 6: And then he was like, yeah, actually I really want
Speaker 6: to go, and I've got a gorilla.
Speaker 1: We had to go now though.
Speaker 2: The reason he had to go now though, was because
Speaker 2: the animal rights activists were trying to shut down his research.
Speaker 2: So he's trying to get out of there before those
Speaker 2: damn animal rights activists took.
Speaker 3: His thought he was going to like release Amy back
Speaker 3: into the wild.
Speaker 1: Yeh, jungle, that would make so much more sense.
Speaker 3: But I was like, that might be nice if it
Speaker 3: was like, oh, they're they're they're trying to take her
Speaker 3: for this some you know, industrialization job, or to study
Speaker 3: her in other ways. And I thought it was going
Speaker 3: to be this big, beautiful thing. But this kind of
Speaker 3: brings me to the first point that I realized looking
Speaker 3: back on Michael Crichton is I don't think, at least
Speaker 3: for this book. He was a great writer.
Speaker 9: A lot going on, a lot of people talking in
Speaker 9: technical terms, oh my god, yeah, just saying exactly what
Speaker 9: they feel like.
Speaker 3: I recently was reading a Stephen King, which, you know,
Speaker 3: just to say, like Steen, I love Stephen King, and
Speaker 3: it's very pulpy, and it's easy to be like, oh,
Speaker 3: it's Stephen King. He comes out with five new books
Speaker 3: a year. But in that the characters have these like
Speaker 3: rich in our lives and his dreams.
Speaker 1: And haunted by dimensions.
Speaker 9: That's the thing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And it was very much character had exactly one.
Speaker 6: Yes. Actually, in contrast, I would love to tell you
Speaker 6: how he describes Karen Ross the female leader of the expedition.
Speaker 6: So there's some fun quotes in the book I want
Speaker 6: to get to. But the main thing that he does
Speaker 6: is a he runs someone on Karen's team runs a
Speaker 6: computer assessment about your personality. So instead of the author,
Speaker 6: Michael Crichton, having to do the work of developing a character,
Speaker 6: he literally runs a computer assessment to tell the reader
Speaker 6: this is what we should know about Karen Ross. Good
Speaker 6: things highly intelligent, logical, flexible, resourceful, data intuitive, capable of
Speaker 6: sustained mental effort. Driven. Bad things, youthful, ruthless, tenuous human rapport, domineering,
Speaker 6: intellectually arrogant, driven to succeed at any cause.
Speaker 1: Does all sound like positives to me?
Speaker 2: And then at the the end it's a desire for
Speaker 2: success may provoke dangerously illogical responses, which.
Speaker 3: I guess is the most foreshadowing where it'ss like, hey,
Speaker 3: you're going to want to know this. For about two.
Speaker 6: Programs that the author sees her through, which I just
Speaker 6: want to she's described at various times as tall and gangly,
Speaker 6: could be beautiful, but too cold.
Speaker 3: I underline that beautiful but too cold.
Speaker 6: Too cold beauty.
Speaker 1: There is I know a lot of cold models.
Speaker 8: Is this based on someone who rejected Michael Brighton? She's
Speaker 8: actually not beautiful because she's cold.
Speaker 6: Here's what happens whenever she exercises. There was already a
Speaker 6: dark stain of sweat on her shoulder and another running
Speaker 6: down the back of her shirt. Her dirt hurt. Her
Speaker 6: dark blonde hair was damp, clinging unattractively to the back
Speaker 6: of her head. She noticed that her trousers were wrinkled
Speaker 6: streaked with dirt.
Speaker 8: There in the middle of the jungle. They had to
Speaker 8: jump out of an airplane, and now.
Speaker 1: Let's focus on how unattractive she is.
Speaker 9: Cud be nice And I can't believe she didn't fall
Speaker 9: out of the sky graceful.
Speaker 4: It's I am a little surprised that she isn't like
Speaker 4: a busty redhead. Yeah, it threw me that she wasn't
Speaker 4: a busty redhead because I just don't know how to
Speaker 4: read women. Uh, if they're like basically got mouse brown hair,
Speaker 4: dark blonde is just another word for mouse brown.
Speaker 9: Yeah, of course, is this a book about gorillas or mice?
Speaker 6: Like what.
Speaker 1: I guess the fact like you're saying that she wasn't
Speaker 1: a busty redhead, should have been our tip off that
Speaker 1: we weren't gonna like this character or care about her.
Speaker 1: Right well and right, So he's a good writer, a.
Speaker 3: Writer, and I liked when she was going through the
Speaker 3: footage early on. You get a lot of these great
Speaker 3: lines pan scan, she said, downpan, reverse, sweep, zoom, and
Speaker 3: t lock. Ross said on the tape, her voice sounds cool,
Speaker 3: almost detached, just like all of these dumb things where
Speaker 3: he's like, this is cool, let's uh, let's pan scan
Speaker 3: real quick. It's just like this is so dumb and
Speaker 3: like that's a full line in the book, like throwing
Speaker 3: a little bit more like I don't know it just
Speaker 3: it was technical to the point of boring me.
Speaker 8: It seems like computers are definitely new at this time
Speaker 8: because everything is uh, computer can do it. It's like,
Speaker 8: how we are we going to survive this mission as computer?
Speaker 1: Yeah, he definitely didn't understand how computers work.
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, I.
Speaker 9: Wrote a book. I'd probably have a similar thing with
Speaker 9: computers where.
Speaker 2: Everything but yeah, I mean, but like they at the end,
Speaker 2: it's like he's just feeding them. They're figuring out a
Speaker 2: whole new language by like a satellite.
Speaker 1: Like it was just ridiculous.
Speaker 8: It was like right, it's like, uh, you ever try
Speaker 8: to get cell service anywhere, and I'm sure the CONGO
Speaker 8: isn't gonna work with he brought your own satellite.
Speaker 1: And the whole premise with like why they're going on
Speaker 1: the expedition the Earth Resources Technology Services, I think that's
Speaker 1: what it's called. Is it is.
Speaker 2: Because they're looking for these diamonds, blue diamonds with boron
Speaker 2: that are can conduct electricity because you know, in his uh,
Speaker 2: in his mind that soon like we won't have any
Speaker 2: need for like electricity, which kind of is said the
Speaker 2: thing he really failed at because we desperately we still
Speaker 2: use batteries. What he imagined for the future was just
Speaker 2: very wrong. And that's why I think it kind of.
Speaker 8: Like, yeah, they needed these diamonds to be super conductors
Speaker 8: for computers and that will put them on top of
Speaker 8: the world.
Speaker 1: So they use this rare resource that like is very
Speaker 1: difficult to find and an end nuclear war. Well, if
Speaker 1: the book said, well, I think that's a big claim.
Speaker 8: It was definitely going to make one company very rich.
Speaker 5: And the idea of how it would end nuclear wars,
Speaker 5: that all wars would be fought by computer from now on.
Speaker 6: Okay, that was somewhat present.
Speaker 1: Info Wars, for example.
Speaker 9: Yeah, info Wars, anything that takes place in the future,
Speaker 9: because people are always going to criticize you forget. I
Speaker 9: have any any writing idea, if it has any sort
Speaker 9: of time travel, it's always people traveling to the future,
Speaker 9: but to now from way back. Yeah, it's sort of
Speaker 9: a futuristic. Yeah, it takes place now, and I can
Speaker 9: make any.
Speaker 3: You'd love The Michael Crayton book Timeline, Yeah, it's a
Speaker 3: lot of well, they travel from now to back into
Speaker 3: night's times. Okay times night and so not the night time.
Speaker 6: They don't travel far, they travel like six hours, let's
Speaker 6: travel all the way.
Speaker 2: So the government has decided to award all the mineral
Speaker 2: exploration rights to the first like conglomerate or company that
Speaker 2: finds the minerals, which just sounds ridiculous.
Speaker 3: The whole thing. I kept thinking that the whole group
Speaker 3: would get a big come up and they'd be taught
Speaker 3: an environmental lesson where it's like, no, don't just leave
Speaker 3: all this alone, and it kind of that doesn't kind
Speaker 3: of come the swift justice.
Speaker 6: Yeah, anti imperialist lesson. I mean, the lens of this
Speaker 6: book is definitely troubling because it's like talks about the
Speaker 6: Congo and basically all of Africa is like it's uncharted,
Speaker 6: it's completely unexplored.
Speaker 1: No one they're cannibals.
Speaker 6: Yeah, they're cannibals. All we need to do is go
Speaker 6: in where no one's ever been in there. And then
Speaker 6: they casually mentioned the people that live yeah, and it's
Speaker 6: like very yeah.
Speaker 2: It's a very is really the more racist books I
Speaker 2: think we've read is.
Speaker 3: Michael Crichton canceled.
Speaker 6: Is it too late?
Speaker 5: Because I don't even want to say this, but one
Speaker 5: of the conglomerates trying to get these diamonds is a
Speaker 5: Japanese company, and I'm not going to repeat.
Speaker 3: The descriptions are awful, and they're not the character who
Speaker 3: I mean, they have all these like slurs that they're using,
Speaker 3: and the character who's calling them these slurs, at least
Speaker 3: in the section that I highlighted, isn't like reprimanded. There
Speaker 3: isn't a there isn't a point of view from the
Speaker 3: author or from another character that's like, look at this
Speaker 3: racist assholes.
Speaker 6: Just like this, here's a horrifying example. And this doesn't
Speaker 6: include any specific racist epithet epithets epithets. But this is
Speaker 6: describing This is describing the Japanese crew. They're in a
Speaker 6: plane that's being shot down. Elliott felt a sudden sympathy
Speaker 6: for the crew. He imagined them staring out the windows
Speaker 6: as the fireballs exploded, with brilliant light illuminating the interior
Speaker 6: of the plane. Were they chattering in Japanese? It's like
Speaker 6: they're probably speaking their language. Yeah, they're probably having a
Speaker 6: conversation in the language that they speak to describe it
Speaker 6: as like, were they chattering? Yeah, it's so like humanizing,
Speaker 6: and it totally dehumanizes.
Speaker 9: Hands shown up in like other Michael Crichton books, only
Speaker 9: The Great Train Robbery and.
Speaker 1: Well where there's all white people.
Speaker 2: But yeah, that's time introducing other ethnicities in that way
Speaker 2: because like all the white and then the like the
Speaker 2: people who die are all like the black porters or
Speaker 2: like the guides or the guy, like they all doesn't
Speaker 2: seem like anybody cares after they die.
Speaker 6: Do you know what the expedition does. They have champagne
Speaker 6: because some of the porters have died. They're attacked by
Speaker 6: gorillas and there they have they pop champagne.
Speaker 8: To be fair to Michael Crichton, there are also in
Speaker 8: the very beginning of the book, there is a previous
Speaker 8: expedition from Ross's Karen Ross's group. That's how the book
Speaker 8: opens with them getting all smashed up, and no one
Speaker 8: mourns them either.
Speaker 5: They're white, and they're a fair.
Speaker 9: To Michael Crichton. All they had was champagne. It's not
Speaker 9: like they chose to d with the most bubbles. This
Speaker 9: is just what they had to drink.
Speaker 6: Well, okay, then find I will rebut that by saying
Speaker 6: a little while after another porter dies, they describe Elliott
Speaker 6: as looking around. Elliott was bored. That's the emotion you're being.
Speaker 6: He's bored right now.
Speaker 1: Correct.
Speaker 8: The start of it, it was like, Okay, they're all smashed,
Speaker 8: our coworkers are all smashed. We have to send another
Speaker 8: expedition in. No one is afraid of dying, No one is.
Speaker 8: The closest we get to mourning them is like some
Speaker 8: boss is like, I'm gonna have to tell their families,
Speaker 8: but not yet.
Speaker 6: I'll do a day, honestly, in thirty days. And also
Speaker 6: they all had fifteen thousand dollars worth of life insurance,
Speaker 6: so they'll be fine.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's the money went a lot further.
Speaker 8: Back there nineteen eighty guys, let's take a quick commercial break.
Speaker 5: I'm tired of this, okay, welcome back.
Speaker 1: If there was any message from this book, it did
Speaker 1: seem like anti capitalist. That was like the only thing
Speaker 1: that I could take out because I was like, I
Speaker 1: guess they all everyone got great tried yah, which is
Speaker 1: a frightening thing interesting to.
Speaker 8: Me that all these people know that they're risking their lives,
Speaker 8: they know it's dangerous, and it's just so that their
Speaker 8: company can be top company.
Speaker 6: That's so weird.
Speaker 1: It was It.
Speaker 3: Didn't feel like a larger internal motivation, like yeah, no.
Speaker 6: I don't know why Elliott and Amy stay on the
Speaker 6: trip at all. R right away and why would you.
Speaker 1: The second Amy got kidnapped?
Speaker 3: Maybe so I thought the description of Amy like when
Speaker 3: he's when Ross Karen Ross first meets her. Yeah, and
Speaker 3: it's really sexist.
Speaker 1: Sexy, and I was waiting for a romance.
Speaker 3: But no, Well does anybody think that Elliott is the
Speaker 3: father of the baby, and yeah, maybe baby? I was like, oh,
Speaker 3: is this are they furthering this new species? But the
Speaker 3: Amy the gorilla takes out the lipstick from Karen's bag
Speaker 3: and wait to start playing with it. And then he's like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 3: if you ignore her, she'll get distant, cold and bitchy.
Speaker 5: And it's just like, yeah, there is quite a bit
Speaker 5: of sexism through descriptions of Amy. Yes, calling Amy bitchy.
Speaker 5: It comes out nowhere.
Speaker 8: It's like sometimes she's a good gorilla, but sometimes she
Speaker 8: gets bitchy. But there's also a part where he's saying, Amy,
Speaker 8: I have a quote here. Amy shows very feminine traits.
Speaker 8: For example, she's coy, she responds to.
Speaker 5: Flattery, she's preoccupied with her appearance, she loves makeup, and
Speaker 5: she can be very fussy about the color of her sweater.
Speaker 1: Wow, that sounds like you, Claire. I was like.
Speaker 9: Feminine it also it checks out for like most movies
Speaker 9: where there are two female coworkers where they can't be friends.
Speaker 6: Honestly true and honestly, all that Karen and Amy talk
Speaker 6: about is Elliott.
Speaker 3: Does not pass.
Speaker 6: No, it doesn't.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 3: I just also, I mean, like, obviously it's a gorilla,
Speaker 3: so you can't have it. You can't have Amy on
Speaker 3: the like the same level as as the other cumans.
Speaker 3: But I really thought that he made her scene like
Speaker 3: this child like this. Yeah, yeah, at least I was like,
Speaker 3: oh you could, you could add in a I mean
Speaker 3: there were times that Amy helped and you know, and
Speaker 3: save them or.
Speaker 1: Or or killed them all because at the end what or.
Speaker 3: Spoilers please, I don't know. It was just it was
Speaker 3: just Yeah.
Speaker 5: For example, I was confused about Amy's size because they
Speaker 5: talk about how big a gorilla is, but very often
Speaker 5: it's like she jumped into Elliott's arms.
Speaker 9: Yeah, when they like Monroe is like, I'll hold her.
Speaker 5: Yeah, is she a little baby.
Speaker 1: Or she lived?
Speaker 6: They say that she's one hundred and thirty pounds, which Claire,
Speaker 6: I know, to you is a disgusting way so big.
Speaker 6: That's just grotesquely obased gorilla.
Speaker 5: So no one could hold hers, No.
Speaker 1: One could possibly hold her.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's a lot less.
Speaker 8: So all of the men on this edition expedition are
Speaker 8: extremely strong and can just carry around one hundred extremely
Speaker 8: extremely I'm the skinniest one of the bring up weep
Speaker 8: on pleasant Okay.
Speaker 6: I do think I could lift Amy, though, I think
Speaker 6: I could lift her. I could like bicip curl, I
Speaker 6: could those are your choices, deadlift, deadlift, put her on
Speaker 6: my back.
Speaker 2: Before they even get out, really like into the expedition,
Speaker 2: into the congo. Amy gets kidnapped, and it was like
Speaker 2: a really really scene where they're like following her collar
Speaker 2: tracker and then she's like and then she's like and
Speaker 2: that's the degree and then like there's like in a
Speaker 2: time crunch too, and then she fed her something and
Speaker 2: that was the real I just was like, like, why
Speaker 2: wouldn't you follow that tracker first run too?
Speaker 1: That pill is going to get shipped out? What is
Speaker 1: that's a horrible idea for track?
Speaker 3: Did she feed her the tracker pill early on or
Speaker 3: like just before she was kidnapped. If she knew, then
Speaker 3: why did she let her get kidnapped?
Speaker 2: I didn't.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she felt something that night. She was like, I
Speaker 1: could be the night.
Speaker 6: WANs intuition.
Speaker 1: Or they have a hundred of them and every single night.
Speaker 5: We should make a parody of this where it leads
Speaker 5: her to a pile of gorilla ship.
Speaker 6: All right, really will you do that for us?
Speaker 4: I mean, if I recall that was another instance of racism, Yeah.
Speaker 8: I think you could recall set I one that it
Speaker 8: kind of requires us to jump ahead quite a bit.
Speaker 1: So let's wait.
Speaker 5: So yeah, I think we'll wait, But there's more racism coming.
Speaker 5: Stay tuned if you're a fan.
Speaker 9: Is that a common expression on this podcast when.
Speaker 6: It's pretty bad? Yeah, I would say, and this one
Speaker 6: written in nineteen eighty. But there are some where you're
Speaker 6: reading and you're like, wow, this must be from like
Speaker 6: the sixties or the seventies and and nine two thousand
Speaker 6: and nine, and you're like, I cannot believe.
Speaker 3: I was on a vacation recently and I there was
Speaker 3: a big church sale across the street from where I
Speaker 3: was staying, and I went in on a Saturday, and
Speaker 3: everything was all all out, all very exciting, and I
Speaker 3: went to buy stuff and they're like, oh, the sale
Speaker 3: isn't until tomorrow. That's all pretty emble to me be
Speaker 3: pissed and not liking these church folks that they wouldn't
Speaker 3: let us buy anything that was all set because the
Speaker 3: sale wasn't actually till the next day. So I went
Speaker 3: back the next day got some books and I got
Speaker 3: Agatha Christie's and then there were none. Uh huh, I
Speaker 3: haven't read that much. Jack get that. Christian was like,
Speaker 3: this would be fun. I'm on vacation. Found out pretty
Speaker 3: quickly on it's very racist.
Speaker 1: Ten Little Indians, which is which.
Speaker 3: Original title was the ten little en worst and yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: what comes from I guess.
Speaker 1: It was like racist, change to something else racist.
Speaker 3: And then they're like, oh, well, just take a big
Speaker 3: step away from that. I guess there was like a
Speaker 3: nursery rhyme that had like the ten little nwards and
Speaker 3: then that was the title of her book. Because people
Speaker 3: are like picked off by one of them.
Speaker 5: It's racist and it's plagiarism exactly, so strike too.
Speaker 3: It's terrible. But again that's not even I think it
Speaker 3: was like nineteen forty one or something like that, which
Speaker 3: does you know that's a long time. It's you know, fifteen.
Speaker 1: Years still shocking because there are.
Speaker 9: Some books where you read them, you're like, I thought
Speaker 9: this was going to be way more racist and your cats.
Speaker 6: Yeah, Christie, it's almost because she's so like popular still
Speaker 6: or beloved, you're like, oh, it's it hurts more. It's
Speaker 6: like more surprising.
Speaker 9: I guess I just want to say, hashtag cancel egg,
Speaker 9: hashtag cancel Michael Crichton, Let's just get those going.
Speaker 6: Let's get them going.
Speaker 5: Please tweet those out. Also do at meat and book Club,
Speaker 5: and let's.
Speaker 3: Just hashtag cancel jk Rowling too, because because I've had enough.
Speaker 3: I don't like the goblins run in the banks. I
Speaker 3: thought that that was anti I just don't like it
Speaker 3: when I haven't read and people are really into them.
Speaker 9: So does this just canceled?
Speaker 5: That's fair. Yeah, anything I haven't read is canceled.
Speaker 1: Okay, Okay the book, what do you want to talk about? Going?
Speaker 8: Can I talk a little bit about animal the way
Speaker 8: Amy is treated by Elliott, the scientist who supposedly loves animals.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: To celebrate, he gives her cigarettes and a martini.
Speaker 3: And it immediately makes her throw up, which you should
Speaker 3: know that.
Speaker 9: This is a you and me both, Amy.
Speaker 3: I thought that that was going to be like the
Speaker 3: setup to a joke. When she asked for she called
Speaker 3: it like she called it like green drop drink.
Speaker 6: Green because of the olive.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I thought that was going to be a joke.
Speaker 3: And then no, he let her drink a martini and
Speaker 3: have a cigarette.
Speaker 6: Yeah, even though he describes her she's seven in the book,
Speaker 6: which he says is like about thirteen in human years.
Speaker 1: I had my first martine And you guys don't think
Speaker 1: they're fuck o god.
Speaker 9: You know, if it was bad enough that they were
Speaker 9: popping champagne after everyone died. They're drinking Martini's on the
Speaker 9: way to this place where a dead expedition happen. Like,
Speaker 9: what's going on?
Speaker 6: I think there might be a problem with alcohol within
Speaker 6: the group, or again with Clara.
Speaker 4: Michael Creighton might just have a problem with cohesion and
Speaker 4: write a story that fits the plot.
Speaker 1: Sure, but it's exciting because they're finding a lost city
Speaker 1: and that's fun.
Speaker 5: Huh, Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 2: They bring Yeah, it was actually I think all the
Speaker 2: characters thought it was boring as well, but.
Speaker 9: Didn't they here?
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was described.
Speaker 3: As I want like an Atlantis where you are like,
Speaker 3: oh this, this entire sya is still going on and
Speaker 3: like you know, it's hidden by some sort of magic
Speaker 3: and basically I like fish people.
Speaker 1: I would have liked fish people. Well, no, thank you.
Speaker 6: If also, if your characters are bored of something in
Speaker 6: the book, why would your audience be like, well, they're
Speaker 6: pretty bored. But were there I'm still was just cold
Speaker 6: and bored.
Speaker 3: Were there less books in the past like this.
Speaker 9: New technology at the time?
Speaker 2: But yeah, probably. We haven't even talked about Charles Monroe,
Speaker 2: who's Sean Connery. He was brought on because he's a
Speaker 2: obviously a great white explorer, just he knows Africa really well.
Speaker 2: It was just uncomfortable to mean it was also a
Speaker 2: white guy, just like okay, yeah, sure, there's just this
Speaker 2: one white guy who's really good.
Speaker 1: Wait, you don't trust any I.
Speaker 4: Mean they didn't say he was white, right, so he
Speaker 4: could have been out anything.
Speaker 6: It was just that it was written for Sean Connery.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think he was. I think he will go ahead.
Speaker 9: In the audio book, it sounded like a vaguely Scottish
Speaker 9: like yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: That does feel like a trope in like adventure novels,
Speaker 3: like you know, this this rugged character. But also it
Speaker 3: would have been cool to make it a person who
Speaker 3: lived in that area in their whole life and had this.
Speaker 6: That would have been way more interesting because they do
Speaker 6: establish that the character knows a lot that's going on,
Speaker 6: but they don't really kind of say why, and it
Speaker 6: would have made it super easy if it's like, yeah,
Speaker 6: he lives here, he's from the Congo.
Speaker 1: He just knows things. Yeah, for some reason he comes
Speaker 1: with them. Yeah.
Speaker 8: There's like a bidding war where all the companies trying
Speaker 8: to get to the Lost City for the diamonds, are
Speaker 8: bidding for him, so.
Speaker 6: Many people want to die there.
Speaker 1: Yeah diamonds okay, which actually, I'll be honest, I think
Speaker 1: they look it's like the Hope diamond, like.
Speaker 5: They're not going to use it for jewels.
Speaker 1: Just when I start to look up blue diamonds, I
Speaker 1: was like, Oh, these are really cool.
Speaker 3: Diamonds.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, no to be You're right, you got it
Speaker 1: pretty dope. I was really annoyed.
Speaker 9: I feel like the other expeditions like they were just
Speaker 9: all of a sudden like gone too, where it's like
Speaker 9: I like it was just sort of like, these are
Speaker 9: our competitors. Oh, I guess they're gone.
Speaker 6: There's so many things that were like dios ex machina
Speaker 6: in the script, and the author even calls it out
Speaker 6: like there there's a moment in the script where it's like,
Speaker 6: oh man, we thought this was going to be easy,
Speaker 6: and here we are facing hippos and hale and as
Speaker 6: if on cue the hail stopped. It's like the Q
Speaker 6: is yours?
Speaker 5: You get that right?
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's one of the laziest writers I have ever experienced.
Speaker 9: I also like that we're calling him the author and
Speaker 9: the writer because hashtag canceled Michael create we won't even
Speaker 9: say his name.
Speaker 3: He's canceled.
Speaker 9: I'm sorry, we won't say his name.
Speaker 6: That said, I do really still love the movie Jurassic Park,
Speaker 6: one of my all time faves.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm beginning to believe he has nothing to do.
Speaker 6: With it, doubt it.
Speaker 8: So our hero expedition gets to the Lost city. They
Speaker 8: sent up their camp, which is a high tech fucking camp,
Speaker 8: not even their tents or normal their tents or computer tents.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Oh yeah.
Speaker 6: They don't have polls because like they're NASA and they
Speaker 6: don't need polls.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 8: Yeah, NASA like likes them and gave them pollless tents
Speaker 8: for some reason.
Speaker 1: We have a description. Yeah. I think that this is
Speaker 1: why this book is so shitty to read now is
Speaker 1: because he's like, all these things he guessed were don't
Speaker 1: even send They don't sound cool to us, and he
Speaker 1: was wrong. There wasn't even anything. Yeah, it's not even like, oh,
Speaker 1: we just haven't gotten there yet. It's just like, no,
Speaker 1: I don't think they should.
Speaker 9: Really with any any book that's like talking about stuff
Speaker 9: in the future. They should change like the year of
Speaker 9: the book, just keep pushing it back.
Speaker 6: That's so you think this would be effective if they
Speaker 6: said the year of this was like two thousand and fifty.
Speaker 6: It's like a technology we haven't gotten to here.
Speaker 1: So that's why this one doesn't work. Candy, it's not even.
Speaker 9: You can't even make it during the year he wrote it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: It's like.
Speaker 3: This author, you're citing awful lot with Michael Crichton.
Speaker 6: We have apologize.
Speaker 3: No, sounds like you agree with all his ideas.
Speaker 8: An example of the Another good example of technology that
Speaker 8: he thinks is cool that we think is boring is
Speaker 8: like so much of this book is them trying to
Speaker 8: figure out how to get to the Congo fastest. It's like,
Speaker 8: let's ask the computer for a new route. Let's ask
Speaker 8: the computer.
Speaker 1: For a new route.
Speaker 8: It's baby, just gives you all the routes right then
Speaker 8: and there. We don't need to keep checking. This isn't
Speaker 8: a high stress.
Speaker 4: And it automatically updates if something comes along your way
Speaker 4: that's going to slow you down.
Speaker 1: You don't have to re chat. Yeah, well we got
Speaker 1: on the Google maps.
Speaker 9: I tell you to check all the plane all the
Speaker 9: David Attleborough like documentary like a Blue Planet or a
Speaker 9: Blue Planet. It's like we've seen this isn't exciting.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we've seen that is like, I don't know if
Speaker 3: there is any place on earth that people haven't been yet.
Speaker 3: And if there is, don't go there my apartment. You
Speaker 3: still won't come over, Sorry, Colin, I don't like tight spaces.
Speaker 2: Okay, I just you're reminding me that if you were wondering.
Speaker 2: Crighton did not make it to Africa before writing this book.
Speaker 1: I shot.
Speaker 2: He did say that to experience volcanoes, I went to
Speaker 2: Stromboli off the coast of Sicily for an.
Speaker 1: Experience in the rainforest. I went to the jungles of Malaysia.
Speaker 1: So he I guess, well, he didn't make it to
Speaker 1: the So he just he didn't make it where he.
Speaker 10: Tiling the introduction, which I did listen to, he makes
Speaker 10: a big deal out of thanking the person who helped him,
Speaker 10: like schedule all his travel for his extensive research, and
Speaker 10: he makes it.
Speaker 1: Sound like he did not want this.
Speaker 7: Is from.
Speaker 1: Might.
Speaker 4: Eventually it was it was clear that it was in
Speaker 4: preparation for writing the book.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, well he didn't.
Speaker 6: You could have just gone to the Congo, buddy.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 6: But I guess Italy is just the same.
Speaker 4: I didn't know that there was a place called Stromboli
Speaker 4: and very much want to visit.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, the.
Speaker 5: Land of Stromboli.
Speaker 6: So, Sabrina, you have visited Africa. Oh yeah, So I
Speaker 6: want to know were you particularly offended by the descriptions
Speaker 6: in this book and the racism.
Speaker 4: I don't think you have to have gone to Africa
Speaker 4: to be offended by racism.
Speaker 6: Oh wow, thanks for educating me. Yeah, you're right.
Speaker 1: Wow, I'm offended.
Speaker 6: I'm offended to now.
Speaker 9: Another apologist.
Speaker 3: And me wearing iHeart Michael and all his ideas.
Speaker 1: You're so right.
Speaker 4: I won't pretend that my my two week trip to
Speaker 4: eastern Africa makes me more connected to the.
Speaker 3: Issue or African.
Speaker 4: Behalf of all Africa, and I will I will speak
Speaker 4: on behalf of all of them.
Speaker 1: Know.
Speaker 4: It made me excited because it was like, oh, we're
Speaker 4: in Nairobi, and I was like, I was in Nairobi.
Speaker 5: That's fine.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that just made you excited.
Speaker 2: It's like when when you watch a commercial and it's
Speaker 2: like a co commercial and you just have me drinking
Speaker 2: a coke and you're like.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3: You would write a book called Western Massachusetts.
Speaker 1: I know that valley.
Speaker 9: Oh well, if yeah, if Michael Crichton, Well, never mind,
Speaker 9: do you know what what was that musician that was
Speaker 9: going to do? Like, I didn't know that was like
Speaker 9: not a well known reference to.
Speaker 6: Come on Phil not Illinois.
Speaker 9: We'll just we'll just cut out me a second, guessing
Speaker 9: my self.
Speaker 1: No, absolutely, yeah him.
Speaker 3: And then he did a whole big thing on the Q.
Speaker 3: Yeah right, He's like, I'm going to get real specific
Speaker 3: on this one highway.
Speaker 5: I don't know what you're talking about, so I'm going
Speaker 5: to bring it back.
Speaker 1: To its many times do we have to say that
Speaker 1: any music she's too skinny to listen to music?
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think that is music.
Speaker 5: Colin doesn't either what what he just made us?
Speaker 9: I love.
Speaker 5: One or the other.
Speaker 1: I know it's more other people like but we don't.
Speaker 3: Believe her some person who doesn't listen to me. No,
Speaker 3: but she was raised to sid and so she all
Speaker 3: she knows, Okay, there you go, your people. She listens
Speaker 3: to like not those uh songs that she was raised with.
Speaker 1: And then I wouldn't like them either yet, Like.
Speaker 3: We're listening to some song and she was like, what's
Speaker 3: that crazy thing? Bump and dump and dump? That's drums
Speaker 3: drums man, welcome to drums.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be surprised to hear Claire I say a
Speaker 1: question like that, I know what drums are.
Speaker 5: Okay, wrong, already.
Speaker 2: All right, while we show Claire what drums are, we're
Speaker 2: going to send you to another commercial break.
Speaker 1: We'll be right back.
Speaker 5: Oh that's what it is, all.
Speaker 1: Right, Hello, welcome back from commercial for you. No, I
Speaker 1: mean it's been like a minute for them, so.
Speaker 6: It's been a long break.
Speaker 3: I just got walked in on in the showers.
Speaker 5: Yeah, we were all mid bit. Sarah just went hello,
Speaker 5: we're back.
Speaker 9: I guys, I was in the middle of telling Childhood.
Speaker 1: I don't want to hear about your dead day.
Speaker 3: We did everything pretty much could there be about this
Speaker 3: goddamn book.
Speaker 1: I just want to say, because we haven't brought up
Speaker 1: any positive things about this book, because I liked the
Speaker 1: female narrator in my audio book actually meet too. She
Speaker 1: sounded like Laura Lenny.
Speaker 6: That's not of the book.
Speaker 1: I liked her and I trusted her implicitly too. I
Speaker 1: actually enjoyed some of the history.
Speaker 2: I know this isn't everyone's bag, but like, oh, when
Speaker 2: they're going into Livingstone and Morton Stanley, I was like
Speaker 2: into that part of the history because I'm also very
Speaker 2: It's just that Congo's history is fascinating with Belgium, and
Speaker 2: I mean, it's crazy.
Speaker 1: Michael and Colin.
Speaker 4: What what we know and what the the faithful listeners
Speaker 4: know is Sarah's just doubling down on her character of
Speaker 4: being obsessed with history.
Speaker 6: And I do love history.
Speaker 1: She likes to brag about loving history that corner hat.
Speaker 9: And also when you list your favorite books of all time,
Speaker 9: they're mostly like your middle school high school history books.
Speaker 6: Like Civilizations Wantations to History.
Speaker 3: Howard Zinn posters on her wall liked I do still
Speaker 3: like the science stuff, even though some of it. Now
Speaker 3: reading it again, I'm like, how much of this is
Speaker 3: real or like not much? Basically thinly researched and then
Speaker 3: connected the like an eriting of dreams thing was kind
Speaker 3: of dumb.
Speaker 1: Did you google that at all?
Speaker 3: Because I did, well, one thing I didn't, But I
Speaker 3: do know that, like crows can pass along memories, they
Speaker 3: have collective memories, and that's interesting. They need a study
Speaker 3: at a call I think it was Harvard and they
Speaker 3: I read about a study of college started and they
Speaker 3: where they would Basically, they had somebody put on a
Speaker 3: mask and harass crows, which I mean, how do I
Speaker 3: get that job? I don't know, Man, this doesn't sound
Speaker 3: generations of crows. Later, when those original crows had died
Speaker 3: and it was those crows grandkids, someone be walking around
Speaker 3: campus wearing that mask, and the crows would come up
Speaker 3: and like attack. So it was passed along from crow
Speaker 3: to crow.
Speaker 9: Michael, you were watching practical joke.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I mean you're gonna I mean maybe if you said Harvard,
Speaker 2: I'd be like, okay, but he did say Harvard.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I mean, I just don't memory.
Speaker 3: I read about like things being passed along, but not dreams. Dreams,
Speaker 3: that's stupid.
Speaker 2: Yeah, in the I saw night Terrors where there there
Speaker 2: was like a genetic thing. But it's more that's not
Speaker 2: like the specific terror. It's just that getting night terrors
Speaker 2: is something.
Speaker 3: But I am a sucker for the science fictiony aspects
Speaker 3: of this, and just so that I did, I did enjoy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, even an ape is based on a real thing,
Speaker 2: though I wish more stuff was based on more real things.
Speaker 6: Well, how much of that was real? Because they say
Speaker 6: that she Amy knows like four hundred and fifty unique
Speaker 6: vocabulary words and she seems very intelligent, can string together sentences,
Speaker 6: she can express that she's feeling.
Speaker 1: A good ape.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I feel like making complex sentences. No conco Coco does.
Speaker 8: Hurry up, Coco does, like said, love.
Speaker 1: Baby, those are complex concepts.
Speaker 6: Is the most complex.
Speaker 1: I think a lot of humors going.
Speaker 6: Has a grass or meaning of love.
Speaker 3: There's just just like the caress isn't there, you know,
Speaker 3: it's all get to it.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 8: I wanted to actually talk about some of the science
Speaker 8: experience because our science that he cites, like studies and
Speaker 8: stuff like that, because so many of them are like
Speaker 8: just the way he describes them flawed. So, for example,
Speaker 8: when he's denigrating animal rights people, he uses this example,
Speaker 8: So a factory trained pigeons to work the assembly line
Speaker 8: basically because it was just like color based or something.
Speaker 8: And then animal rights said that's not fair to the pigeons.
Speaker 8: They must go free and humans can have that job.
Speaker 8: And he was like, oh, humans can do it. It's
Speaker 8: not torture for humans, Like, yeah, it's not. They're being
Speaker 8: paid money. Yeah, So he cited that as an animal
Speaker 8: rights people being crazy.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 8: In another one, he talks about a chimp who was
Speaker 8: given pictures of other chimps and also humans, and he
Speaker 8: separates them into groups. And they said he put his
Speaker 8: own picture in with the humans.
Speaker 5: Now, I like that, but how did the monkey know
Speaker 5: which one was him? How much time is this monkey
Speaker 5: spending in front of the mirror.
Speaker 6: Well, according to the book, animals can recognize themselves in
Speaker 6: pictures and mirrors.
Speaker 5: Clara, Yeah, but to go from I don't know. I
Speaker 5: don't think so how he looked like. I like it.
Speaker 8: I like it because I think that's what ALFI thinks
Speaker 8: he's human.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you just you just don't believe it.
Speaker 5: I just don't believe that he was like, that's a
Speaker 5: picture of me.
Speaker 1: That's that's like this other thing that looks exactly like me. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I agree. I don't think it was that complex. I
Speaker 1: don't think that makes sense. But it was fun.
Speaker 5: It was fun, and these are things that are in
Speaker 5: the foot time.
Speaker 6: Didn't their footnotes?
Speaker 5: Yeah, their footnotes, Like the pigeon thing was a footnote.
Speaker 6: It's like, oh, I don't know, I was going to
Speaker 6: say I skipped it.
Speaker 1: I don't think I got a footnote. I don't know
Speaker 1: that telegraphed in the audio.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think it was in I don't. I
Speaker 2: don't know, like some of that stuff wasn't it but
Speaker 2: it wasn't.
Speaker 9: Yeah, that seems like a major flaw in the audio.
Speaker 1: I did say on a bridge, did it?
Speaker 7: So?
Speaker 1: I feel like a bridge bridge.
Speaker 3: James Frank to read the footnote.
Speaker 9: Just like another voice that abruptly jumps in during the audio.
Speaker 5: A little one, A little one.
Speaker 9: Pigeon, a little fact for you listeners.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I did want to jump to what they found
Speaker 8: when they found the Lost City, of which also.
Speaker 3: I was reading, is a very different I was reading it.
Speaker 3: It's like Jay, Yeah, yeah, it was probably zoom.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 8: So they go there, it's pretty much, wow, pretty intact
Speaker 8: for lost city. So that's lucky. We can't really find
Speaker 8: any details. But then we find out that there are
Speaker 8: sort of cave paintings essentially, and the only way they
Speaker 8: can read the cave paintings is by like scanning it,
Speaker 8: sending it back to the lab in America. Thank you
Speaker 8: the computer computers again, and then the computer projects the
Speaker 8: picture onto the wall or something like that now we
Speaker 8: can see it or something.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I didn't understand that.
Speaker 2: I wasn't very good for a book to be have
Speaker 2: that process described.
Speaker 9: Yeah, and it also didn't help that then in the
Speaker 9: book it said, well you had to be there. It's
Speaker 9: like so hard to put into words.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and the whole thing with this so so the
Speaker 1: they were silver gray apes that were like they were
Speaker 1: kind of human.
Speaker 3: There are an ape that is never existed before. And
Speaker 3: all these ape scientists are like, or at least you know,
Speaker 3: the one main one, like, we don't know what this is,
Speaker 3: doesn't match up. And then they think that the ancient
Speaker 3: people who lived there might might have mated with.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and we don't know for sure. Yeah, they don't.
Speaker 5: They suspect perhaps, And this is where I'd like to
Speaker 5: bring up another.
Speaker 3: And they were like the slaves, the ape slaves, yeah,
Speaker 3: who they then trained to protect their place. Yeah, it's
Speaker 3: very weird.
Speaker 1: And they were like albino anpe.
Speaker 5: No not no, gret And I would like, no, they
Speaker 5: should have.
Speaker 1: Been out the movie, you know, a child's book. Definitely
Speaker 1: thinking of what I read the child's book.
Speaker 3: I think you're thinking of the YETI I would like
Speaker 3: I wish it was a little bit more invented.
Speaker 6: It was just too close.
Speaker 3: I kept expecting it to be super exciting or they
Speaker 3: you know, they were just meaner and different.
Speaker 5: What I would like to bring up that racism I
Speaker 5: promised earlier.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I'd like to just wonder why the apes were
Speaker 8: gray if they mate it with humans, why would that
Speaker 8: result in a lighter furred animal.
Speaker 1: Well, why wouldn't do you.
Speaker 8: Think that it's maybe because Michael Crichton's white, so he's like, well,
Speaker 8: white and black makes gray, And.
Speaker 5: I didn't put together that it was that.
Speaker 3: Look like him.
Speaker 5: Wow, I think that's why they were gray. I think
Speaker 5: that's why they.
Speaker 1: Were like me.
Speaker 6: I don't know.
Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, that that the racism things. That doesn't that
Speaker 1: bothers me the least of it, I would say.
Speaker 6: So, there was so much more in the book.
Speaker 5: Ye, there's the rest of the book is informing this
Speaker 5: theory of I don't know.
Speaker 1: I think you may be right.
Speaker 9: And do you have a I just want to know,
Speaker 9: is there going to be like a like a sound
Speaker 9: cue that accompanies the racism I promised you earlier?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, we have a little ditty that plays.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I wasn't. I wasn't, Claire.
Speaker 1: I support your theory.
Speaker 4: I was.
Speaker 1: I was promised racism, and I feel like I didn't.
Speaker 6: Get it from here.
Speaker 5: Okay, Well, it's a theory.
Speaker 6: Do we have any act outs that we can do.
Speaker 2: Let's do this scene where they're finally going to get
Speaker 2: the blue diamonds out before one.
Speaker 1: Okay, good one.
Speaker 6: This is gonna be tough for me.
Speaker 5: Okay, very easy to be the quiet.
Speaker 9: Observer and I'll play the blue diamond.
Speaker 1: Okay, Okay. Who can anybody do a good Scottish accent
Speaker 1: and play Monroe? Okay, you're throwing a lot out there.
Speaker 5: I can play Monroe.
Speaker 1: Okay, fine, I can try.
Speaker 9: Just know you were right, it was right the whole time.
Speaker 1: I'll be I forget her name, karens Ross. I'll be
Speaker 1: Karen Ross.
Speaker 5: Can I be Amy?
Speaker 8: But I'm going to vocalize what Amy would be signing. Yeah, sure, sure, okay, sure, great,
Speaker 8: And then you two can be other.
Speaker 5: The dead porters, the dead the porters have their heads
Speaker 5: smashed by stove pts.
Speaker 6: Okay, so Gas is escaping. My body.
Speaker 1: Is not. Everyone needs I'm a ghost, all right? Okay,
Speaker 1: So I am going to set up these explosive here
Speaker 1: so we can actually get down to the blue diamonds
Speaker 1: that are I'm that are so important. So let me
Speaker 1: set up these explosives.
Speaker 5: Amy, he says Novocano.
Speaker 1: What do you want me to put them next to
Speaker 1: the volcano?
Speaker 3: Michael Wolf? I really?
Speaker 1: Okay?
Speaker 9: How do you want your martini.
Speaker 1: Dry?
Speaker 3: But also, can we leave?
Speaker 6: This is really Scottish.
Speaker 9: Character that was based on Sean Connery. How would you
Speaker 9: like your martine?
Speaker 3: I couldn't stone?
Speaker 9: All right, okay, I'll be over here.
Speaker 1: Thanks, And I didn't want one. Please not anyway. I
Speaker 1: no one thinks there's a problem with Please don't.
Speaker 5: I'm sign languaging this. I'm Amy. Please don't put explosives
Speaker 5: because seems hystical. Amy.
Speaker 1: Do you want to hold the thing that sets off
Speaker 1: the explosives? Yeah, here you go.
Speaker 5: That's fun.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 5: I love buttons. That's part of my character.
Speaker 9: Yeah, button lady.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so this is definitely I'm a scientist and I
Speaker 1: know what I'm doing.
Speaker 7: Amy.
Speaker 1: Could you press the button for the explosives?
Speaker 4: Amy?
Speaker 5: Good, gorilla press?
Speaker 1: Okay?
Speaker 6: Look great?
Speaker 1: Now we have blue diamonds and I told you everything.
Speaker 3: I was right.
Speaker 9: Does anyone wants champagne?
Speaker 6: He's hot and scene? Oh my god, what happened?
Speaker 1: But we just did?
Speaker 6: The volcano exploded?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 6: Yeah, that is wild. No, No, I feel like I've
Speaker 6: read it now I should.
Speaker 1: I feel like you are farther from the end because
Speaker 1: that happens, and then a lot, No.
Speaker 6: It doesn't. That is no more than thirty pages from
Speaker 6: the end.
Speaker 1: I promise you are you reading in a bridge to finish.
Speaker 3: You're gonna love how they get away. You're gonna love
Speaker 3: how they escape.
Speaker 5: It's so yeah, wait, there's something I wanted to bring up.
Speaker 3: It's kind of snarky. Their whole escape, which.
Speaker 5: Is throughout before we know that they're going to escape,
Speaker 5: Michael Crichton does this thing where he's like months later
Speaker 5: Elliott would know what Amy was saying. It's like, why
Speaker 5: did you tell us they escaped?
Speaker 3: Total and escape?
Speaker 5: Yeah, so unnecessary.
Speaker 1: It's not like well written. That is.
Speaker 5: It'll be like it'll have like Karen Ross being like, uh,
Speaker 5: of this moment. Later she would say it was the
Speaker 5: scariest moment. It's like, why are you giving just say
Speaker 5: she's scared right now instead of giving away that she
Speaker 5: is still interview.
Speaker 1: We're not kill him again, We're not what the hell?
Speaker 6: Don't speak for me.
Speaker 2: They they leave velocity of his ine, which is covered
Speaker 2: in volcano, and they end up Okay, I'm probably skipping things,
Speaker 2: but they end up basically in that an abandoned like
Speaker 2: airplane that has much just applot the Japanese the Japanese plane,
Speaker 2: and they show up and then there's some natives local
Speaker 2: like his words, not ours.
Speaker 3: They're attacking them, and they they're again killing these natives.
Speaker 1: They just are like kill them. They're just it's the
Speaker 1: same as though when the apes were there and they
Speaker 1: were just killing them. It's the same as when it's
Speaker 1: people just oh no, specifically just killing them, killing them.
Speaker 1: And then they're like, they kill the leader, and they're like.
Speaker 5: So they a religious leader.
Speaker 8: It's like killed they purposely kill the religious leader of
Speaker 8: this tribe because.
Speaker 1: That that's apped up, and so then they leave. But
Speaker 1: then they're like they'll be back though, and so they're like,
Speaker 1: we really need to escape, and then who finds.
Speaker 3: So it's it's they're like, why is this why there
Speaker 3: are so many propane tanks? And Karen Ross starts laughing
Speaker 3: and she's just laughing, and they're like, why is she laughing?
Speaker 3: And they look and they're like, it's too many propane tanks.
Speaker 3: They wouldn't use all this for cooking, And then they
Speaker 3: realize why she's laughing. It's because it's a hot air balloon.
Speaker 3: But like Michael Criton's so coy about it.
Speaker 1: It was such an odd it was so weird.
Speaker 3: It also didn't Yeah, I had to read it a
Speaker 3: couple of times. And it also was confusing that Karen
Speaker 3: would just be laughing, like, oh, this is a hot
Speaker 3: air balloon. Let's assemble it and get out of here
Speaker 3: with this propane.
Speaker 1: Yeah maybe, yeah, it's pretty Also, he didn't mention that.
Speaker 2: He also described the natives says they have had they
Speaker 2: had shat on all of the seats.
Speaker 3: Oh my god.
Speaker 1: It was something that was in there that I was like.
Speaker 5: It was like I wanted to put Amy the gorilla
Speaker 5: down on a seat, but the humans had chat on it.
Speaker 5: It's like, what the fuck are you doing?
Speaker 1: What do you do?
Speaker 3: Once you get into the hot once they realize it's
Speaker 3: a hot air balloon, then it's just done. Yeah, And
Speaker 3: there's no like, no like them flying away and like
Speaker 3: trying to reconcile with what they've done. There's no moment
Speaker 3: of like looking back on everything. And then right it
Speaker 3: jumps to the epilogue.
Speaker 1: Where Sean Connery has put some blue diamonds in his pockets.
Speaker 1: According to the little kids. Yes, I I wish I
Speaker 1: could too, but I don't remember.
Speaker 5: A little he's proud.
Speaker 1: I don't know why it's online, but they were like
Speaker 1: everything she which is this true?
Speaker 4: It said Ross took away some blue diamonds, so she
Speaker 4: was really happy she had her blue diamonds.
Speaker 1: No, it was Monroe. Well I hope that kid got a.
Speaker 6: Bad grade or you actually by the report?
Speaker 9: Yeah, but then the.
Speaker 3: Diamonds were sold to Intel, which is like, isn't the
Speaker 3: like tagline for Intel? Like what's inside?
Speaker 4: Now we know.
Speaker 1: People died they started there was like a blue light. Yes,
Speaker 1: that's definitely what it was.
Speaker 9: For all the death that came with this expedition. There's
Speaker 9: the word again that there should have been one person
Speaker 9: just being like in the hot air balloon ride away
Speaker 9: been like, wow, this was an incredible waste of time
Speaker 9: and human life. That would have been a good end.
Speaker 3: Somebody help me wipe all this blood off my hands.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because they didn't get away with any of the
Speaker 2: like any like skulls from the special the human names,
Speaker 2: the combos, there's there wasn't.
Speaker 5: Any information they ruined the last city because.
Speaker 3: Of the volcano. They set off half a mile under
Speaker 3: volcan ye is on inn climate.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but he doesn't really it was confusing that what
Speaker 1: Oh we uncanceled him because of that, yeah, yeah, Michael. Oh.
Speaker 2: And then the Amy is left, she's They eventually let
Speaker 2: Amy out in the wild and then she he comes
Speaker 2: back and finds her. Peter Elliott comes and finds her,
Speaker 2: and she has a baby. But then he won't she
Speaker 2: won't like look at him. And that's what we're talking about.
Speaker 1: Is that.
Speaker 3: But the baby can sign, right, that's the thing.
Speaker 5: Amy has a baby, a monkey baby, I think Peter
Speaker 5: Elliott Amy.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it was, And is she a wild gorilla?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah. But also her baby can sign now, which.
Speaker 9: Also Michael Crichton should know better with like all his
Speaker 9: work in television, Like if you have you can't just
Speaker 9: introduce a baby to the script like it's gonna ruin.
Speaker 9: That's like a desperate it's so desperate yeah, where.
Speaker 1: They're like yeah, kid, yeah, jump the sh Just because
Speaker 1: I wanted to mention this because I don't know if
Speaker 1: anybody else was interested in whether humans and apes could. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I know that I was wondering it the whole time.
Speaker 1: I know that we don't really know. You just might
Speaker 1: not be there yet, but I wanted.
Speaker 6: To why are you so sure?
Speaker 1: Have you tried?
Speaker 6: I'm just saying I know that we can't.
Speaker 1: So there are some cases of the Soviet experience experiments
Speaker 1: in the nineteen twenties.
Speaker 6: Expedition Where are Soviet expeditions.
Speaker 2: In the nineteen twenties where artificial insemination was attempted using
Speaker 2: female chimps in human.
Speaker 1: Sperm less excited.
Speaker 2: None of these experiments resulted in pregnancy, much less the
Speaker 2: birth of the human see, which was what was tried.
Speaker 5: Wanted it sounds.
Speaker 1: They did, though, I think actually or he would, he
Speaker 1: had plans to, but then it got like the Soviet
Speaker 1: Union kicked the mouth the scientist.
Speaker 3: I feel like, I grillas. You gotta trite with every
Speaker 3: single animal.
Speaker 1: Well, I think it's closest to us.
Speaker 3: I know, I'm talking crabs, I'm talking geckos, I'm.
Speaker 6: Talking I'm saying I want a mermaid.
Speaker 9: But then also, yeah, like I don't really I can't
Speaker 9: really wrap my head around. It's like they're saying it's gorilla.
Speaker 9: It's like a gorilla chimp human.
Speaker 1: High gorillas and chimps are different.
Speaker 4: Just no, then what the actual combo was.
Speaker 1: I think they're trying to claim it was gorilla was
Speaker 1: He's right, it was three? Is that?
Speaker 9: That's what I like in the book. It's like they're
Speaker 9: saying it's like a gorilla chimp human hybrid. When I was,
Speaker 9: I was like, so it means one of them had
Speaker 9: to start like yeah, yeah. It was sort of like
Speaker 9: a Mori Povich sort of situation where it's like, who's
Speaker 9: the fun there?
Speaker 1: Maybe if it's the chimps are closest to us? Is
Speaker 1: that what someone just said?
Speaker 4: Maybe it's maybe gorilla and chimp can go together, right, that,
Speaker 4: and then what they can make can go with a
Speaker 4: human because the shape and human.
Speaker 1: Could go together. But this whole books about gorillas, and
Speaker 1: so they had to like throw that in. What's the
Speaker 1: zebra hybrid? The it's like, anybody gave me one.
Speaker 3: If a horse a donkey becomes a mule?
Speaker 6: Correct?
Speaker 2: There?
Speaker 6: Sterile?
Speaker 1: Yeah? That basically right, and those things are anders are sterile.
Speaker 2: I bet really, I think all hybrids are sterile because
Speaker 2: they're they're.
Speaker 3: Genitals get to twisted because they should.
Speaker 1: I don't know why do they still have genitals.
Speaker 5: They just don't wear the normal.
Speaker 6: Twist twist.
Speaker 1: Like QRK screw like a duck.
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, but it doesn't work like the duck.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, ducks works, dunks works good, dunts.
Speaker 9: Works real good.
Speaker 1: They have those so that they can rape female ducks.
Speaker 6: That's true. This is a disturbing kind of final one
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Speaker 1: If I'm gonna be on.
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Speaker 1: you guys are ready for good Reads five star reviews,
Speaker 1: because that's what's happening right now.
Speaker 2: Hell yeah, all right, So I'll these guests the segment
Speaker 2: just so you know. I'm going to read some reviews
Speaker 2: and then please feel free to comment on them.
Speaker 4: I felt like she was talking to me, and I
Speaker 4: was like, I know she said guests, but she was
Speaker 4: making eye contact with me.
Speaker 1: I didn't feel I was, And maybe.
Speaker 5: I mean, who's up first?
Speaker 1: Who am I looking at? Who am I looking at?
Speaker 9: Oh my god.
Speaker 1: Okay, so Craig needs more time to read. That was
Speaker 1: his username.
Speaker 9: Okay, just wait until you're done.
Speaker 2: No, they don't, Craig says, enjoyed this immensely. I have
Speaker 2: vague recollections of the movie. Group goes to the Congo
Speaker 2: take a communicating Gorilla, Bad, Gorilla's attack, volcanic eruptions, and
Speaker 2: Tim Curry ha ha.
Speaker 1: But the book is so much better. I love the
Speaker 1: amount of detail, the.
Speaker 2: Science parts, the historical parts, and the atmosphere that the
Speaker 2: author evoked A bean in the congo.
Speaker 1: Brilliant five stars.
Speaker 5: I feel like that would be a better summary for Sabrina. Okay,
Speaker 5: then the child's that gives you more than the child's report.
Speaker 3: No, you didn't know Tim Curry was in this book?
Speaker 1: That is that's true. The child left that out.
Speaker 9: For the book and they mentioned them to me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, hu funny. Yeah, great review, but to be fair
Speaker 3: and needed more time to read.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, so Nia says. I do not say this lightly.
Speaker 2: Michael Crichton is brilliant. This novel is brilliant.
Speaker 1: This book was at times Jim.
Speaker 2: And although it is fiction, there are a lot of
Speaker 2: interesting facts. For instance, did you know that some chimpanzees
Speaker 2: eat human infants in the wild.
Speaker 1: I personally did.
Speaker 5: Not know where are they getting?
Speaker 1: Of course I knew that you.
Speaker 2: Could teach apes to sign cough Planet of the Apes cough.
Speaker 2: But this made me consider just how remarkable that is.
Speaker 2: I never would have considered just how brilliant primates are
Speaker 2: before reading this. The characters aren't terrible, not the most remarkable,
Speaker 2: but that's all right.
Speaker 1: Amy the Gorilla was my favorite, especially when she does
Speaker 1: she's everyone's favorite, especially when she tears up a drawling
Speaker 1: that symbolizes her tearing up a woman. Crichton had me
Speaker 1: chuckling a few times. I mid five stars.
Speaker 4: Her review was like, at times it was thrilling, no
Speaker 4: examples because I don't think she could find any, and
Speaker 4: like the characters weren't very good but okay.
Speaker 9: She also didn't say they were good.
Speaker 1: She just was like, they aren't terrible.
Speaker 9: Also, I think we can agree that Amy had the
Speaker 9: most character development.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I do think so.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's very little, Amy good Gorilla.
Speaker 1: She often said, yeah, good grill, Stephen.
Speaker 2: It would have been really cool if at the end
Speaker 2: she said Amy bad Gorilla had a cigarette.
Speaker 5: Yeah, she's pregnant.
Speaker 9: Like the this like another sequel to like those child
Speaker 9: playing movies. Yeah the bone song.
Speaker 2: But yeah, yeah, Stephen c says, Congo, it's not Jurassic
Speaker 2: Park because gorillas aren't dinosaurs.
Speaker 3: What Okay, so far a minute to unpack that.
Speaker 2: But Creighton, like usual, has mastered the ability of giving
Speaker 2: enough about the characters to keep the story going. This
Speaker 2: book left me wanting more, more details, more explanations, more action.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Is that meaning because the book's not.
Speaker 9: Are all these five star reviews are like listening qualities.
Speaker 3: It leaves me wanting more. You're like, I want more chapters,
Speaker 3: not more details, arcter development, not a lot, more forethought,
Speaker 3: more adjectives, more proof reading.
Speaker 2: Not because it was bad quality, but it was like
Speaker 2: candy on Halloween. Once you start, you just can't stop
Speaker 2: wanting more of it.
Speaker 1: Five stars.
Speaker 6: That is true.
Speaker 1: I would part of that, but I have eaten three
Speaker 1: hundred skod ols. We are eating candy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we haves It works all right. One more from
Speaker 2: Diana Oliviera.
Speaker 1: She says yes.
Speaker 2: She says, very nice reading, like the story a lot
Speaker 2: found in, very captivating, totally comn reading it was.
Speaker 9: She complimenting herself. Very nice reading.
Speaker 3: It is again.
Speaker 2: Also, I just noticed a tendency in myself that I
Speaker 2: really like reading about Africa. I'm not sure if I'd
Speaker 2: like to go there because most books I've read involved
Speaker 2: people getting attacked by animals and or killed. But who
Speaker 2: knows to summarize liked it, recommend it five stars school review.
Speaker 4: Now if she went there, she could speak on behalf
Speaker 4: of the country continent.
Speaker 6: Got yeah.
Speaker 3: To reviews, movie reviews, even some Yelp reviews. I feel
Speaker 3: like it's that it's it's written from that place where
Speaker 3: you're just falling asleep but you're not fully into treating yet.
Speaker 3: Words just sort of flow out and you're just like,
Speaker 3: look was good and words were soft and crush me.
Speaker 9: Don't want to Yeah, I'd love to go to Africa
Speaker 9: if I wasn't so scared about it from all this stuff.
Speaker 9: I've read five star.
Speaker 1: Chimpanzees do eat babies in the wild.
Speaker 3: There, Drew, I know what, it's a fact.
Speaker 6: Great, let's give our reviews. Let's start with our guests,
Speaker 6: Colin on a scale of your own, choosing, Oh yeah,
Speaker 6: how would you read this book and would you recommend it?
Speaker 9: Great?
Speaker 6: I do?
Speaker 9: Oh yeah, I do. I can. I can do it
Speaker 9: on this the straight up, like one to five or
Speaker 9: zero to five. But I also do one. Okay, So
Speaker 9: so this is the So this is pretty much how
Speaker 9: Michael and I rate all the books that we talk
Speaker 9: about on our podcast. Let me just pull it up here.
Speaker 3: It's it's called a literaty with Colin on Michael wherever
Speaker 3: you get puking a thousand so funny stuff so.
Speaker 9: Yeah, we have our own system of rating books, and
Speaker 9: we use this system for every single book we read.
Speaker 9: And uh, it's a five tier rating system. So the
Speaker 9: first one is the first category is did the book
Speaker 9: have big ass monkeys? So Congo gets a five out.
Speaker 5: Of five on that one, saying it is big big ass.
Speaker 9: Is for all books we read. So the next category
Speaker 9: is did the book provide awesome descriptions of these big
Speaker 9: ass monkeys? Congo gets a five out of five. Described
Speaker 9: next one, did the main characters go on a jungle
Speaker 9: adventure with big ass monkeys as a sidekick? Congo gets
Speaker 9: a five out of five on this one.
Speaker 3: We've read a lot of the Pulitzer Prize wunning books
Speaker 3: and like they're getting terrible reviews.
Speaker 9: Yeah, did the big ass monkeys freak out and function
Speaker 9: it up? Congo gets a five out of five.
Speaker 3: And then uh, this can be applied to like magazine.
Speaker 9: Yeah, and then a story plot and captivated captivating writing style,
Speaker 9: Congo gets a two out of five.
Speaker 6: That is that is our rating system, So that's a
Speaker 6: seventeen out of Yeah, yeah, I did pretty well.
Speaker 9: So like other books that have done well for us
Speaker 9: have been like Curious Geors yeah, Jane Goodall's My Life
Speaker 9: with the Chimpanzee. Yeah, I'm surprisingly Dunston checks in even
Speaker 9: though it's a movie did very well.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 9: But yeah, like Michael said, a lot of the what
Speaker 9: is deemed the classic works of literature don't do on
Speaker 9: your scale, don't.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I'm sorry.
Speaker 6: We said we'd circle back around to it, so I
Speaker 6: just want to make sure we hit it. And who
Speaker 6: would you what deceased author would you have sex with?
Speaker 3: Uh?
Speaker 9: You would have sex with Jane Goodall? Yeah, because I
Speaker 9: love those I love those crazy monkeys. He's always talking
Speaker 9: about those books.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I already said, Doctor SEUs. And the fact that
Speaker 3: you don't remember that makes.
Speaker 6: Me, Oh, I remember that you said it. I was
Speaker 6: talking to Colin. Oh okay, I thought, yeah, what's your reading?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 3: My writing two blue diamonds out of five blue diamonds.
Speaker 3: It wasn't It wasn't the worst thing I've ever read,
Speaker 3: but it just didn't really like. I found myself angry
Speaker 3: at the book more often than I wanted to be. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and I thought that there was if there was a
Speaker 3: little one or two more layers thrown, and it would
Speaker 3: have been a really fun, good read. But it just
Speaker 3: kind of felt like a first draft.
Speaker 1: Yes, I agree on that first draft did really make
Speaker 1: me want a blue diamond.
Speaker 3: That was probably the thing that Listen, Sarah, we're looking, We're.
Speaker 6: On I really want one expedition.
Speaker 5: Wells want to want everyone in the book except Amie.
Speaker 3: You got to go to the Congo.
Speaker 5: Yeah, okay, and you're gonna get there. Yeah, Sarah, how
Speaker 5: would you read it?
Speaker 1: I thought, I at the beginning of this book thought,
Speaker 1: oh no, this is a good book.
Speaker 5: Oh no, she texted me, I think I like it.
Speaker 1: Yes, we secret no, no, but agrees with you on
Speaker 1: that's this.
Speaker 6: Diary very like you were worried.
Speaker 3: You're like, oh, this is going to be a good one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and someone when it's a good one, we turn
Speaker 1: on each other and it's just because we can't make
Speaker 1: fun of the book because we like it.
Speaker 5: So then we're just meanful, genuinely concerned because it could
Speaker 5: be anyone.
Speaker 7: But it would be.
Speaker 1: It really could turn on anyone, or it could just
Speaker 1: be Sabrina. Every time it could be it could be.
Speaker 6: It has been a couple of times.
Speaker 1: I feel like I I often take.
Speaker 4: The role of the villain, so I think that they're
Speaker 4: very excited to be the nicest.
Speaker 3: Nicest, the villain a joker type.
Speaker 6: No, I would say that exactly describes Sabrina. I feel
Speaker 6: like I'm sewing chaos.
Speaker 1: Ernest you're wearing right now.
Speaker 3: The jokers earnest, he believes the archetypical joker. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Anyway, so this book, uh yeah, I would give this
Speaker 1: a two out of five because I made it all
Speaker 1: the way through and it sucked, but it didn't suck
Speaker 1: as bad as other things. So it gets two out
Speaker 1: of five.
Speaker 5: Oh bad, This is Clara. You know I'm going three
Speaker 5: out of five.
Speaker 1: Here's why. Wow, Hi rating?
Speaker 5: Okay, First of all, I pushed this book so hard.
Speaker 5: I have to rate it high. Sure, number two. I
Speaker 5: like being reminded of Coco. That's gonna do it.
Speaker 3: There's easier ways to remind yourself of Coco.
Speaker 8: That's true, you too, but this is a nice, nice reminder.
Speaker 8: And you know what, I did watch some Cocoa videos,
Speaker 8: you know, during the book. So yeah, three out of five.
Speaker 5: Great job, Michael jan Uh this is John and j Bone.
Speaker 6: Here I was with Sarah. I was worried the book
Speaker 6: was going to be good. It was real panicked about
Speaker 6: it and knew how good Jurassic Park was. I don't
Speaker 6: like how many times we said we are glad Michael
Speaker 6: Crichton was dead.
Speaker 1: So that is the thing to the podcast.
Speaker 6: The author. I'm gonna go ahead and give it a
Speaker 6: five out of five.
Speaker 5: All right, I'm going down to two out of five
Speaker 5: to start balancing things, Sabrina.
Speaker 1: I never wanted to read this book.
Speaker 2: Ever.
Speaker 1: I do want to clear something up that I forgot.
Speaker 1: I forgot to my words.
Speaker 4: I forgot to clear up when I was talking earlier,
Speaker 4: when I was talking about the racism, I said that
Speaker 4: we don't know that Monroe.
Speaker 1: Was white because they never said it.
Speaker 4: That was a joke because every time someone wasn't white,
Speaker 4: they did say so.
Speaker 1: I just wanted the audience to know that we do.
Speaker 4: Know that Monroe is white, and that I'm giving this
Speaker 4: book a one out of five. I'm going to give
Speaker 4: the Little Kid's Book Report a four.
Speaker 1: Facts wrong.
Speaker 4: I thought that the kid, that kid, little Sean Connery,
Speaker 4: wrote this book report, and I'm giving that a four
Speaker 4: out of five.
Speaker 1: But this book was very, very boring, and I hated it.
Speaker 1: I hate Clara for.
Speaker 5: Picking okay, nice, trying to turn the tables.
Speaker 4: You hate Clara Billan for picking it and never want
Speaker 4: to read anything again one out of five.
Speaker 1: All right. Next week we're reading The Woman in the
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Speaker 1: We are so thirsty. Colin and Michael, can I get
Speaker 1: some plugs from me?
Speaker 5: All you guys might have a live show coming up?
Speaker 3: We sure do. Well. You can listen to Literati. Colin
Speaker 3: you want to look up on our live shows unless
Speaker 3: you know it.
Speaker 1: I do know it?
Speaker 3: Okay, great, So you can listen to Literati with Colin
Speaker 3: and Michael anywhere you get podcasts. We have new episodes
Speaker 3: every Monday, and we have great comedians on reading excerpts
Speaker 3: from books they've written, but they're just pretending to have
Speaker 3: written them. So you get really funny people reading really
Speaker 3: funny stuff and terrible writing advice from Colin and I.
Speaker 9: And we got a show coming up at Caveat on
Speaker 9: November sixth, which is a Wednesday. Uh yeah, Literati is
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Speaker 9: the New York Comedy Festival. So get your tickets, come
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Speaker 3: A loss in public.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and you're you're welcome that you're open to that.
Speaker 3: I mean, honestly, we love engagement with our fans, which
Speaker 3: are mostly enemies.
Speaker 9: Are fans.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I always say I hate listen still counts as
Speaker 8: a listen, and everyone says, true, we don't like that.
Speaker 2: Usually what I've said, you say, we never have heard
Speaker 2: you say, well, no, I hate, but we don't want
Speaker 2: them to hate.
Speaker 1: Review us. Yeah, that's what's we want five stars. We
Speaker 1: would like you to go on iTunes and review.
Speaker 3: I believe I'll give you a review right now.
Speaker 5: I do think sometimes we make people med and they
Speaker 5: respond the quick one star.
Speaker 1: Have you guys checked oura mean book club Gmail? We've
Speaker 1: got some complimentary emails recently.
Speaker 5: I don't know how to check the femail.
Speaker 2: Do you want me to tell you right now? Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's the password for all of our things. Okay, congo, great, great, great.
Speaker 1: Well, thank you guys for being here and we loved it.
Speaker 1: Didn't we Clara?
Speaker 5: I did?
Speaker 1: Yeah, two out of five hot garbage.
Speaker 5: Oh you didn't mean the book you.
Speaker 2: Yes, I.
Speaker 6: Was Clara.
Speaker 1: Okay, sure, sure, easy, all right?
Speaker 6: Bet a fie for Clara.
Speaker 5: Thank you guys so much for coming.
Speaker 1: We will see you next week.
Speaker 5: Bye bye bye, see you later, guys,