WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.320 --> 00:00:04.280 What's up everyone, and welcome back to the program. In 2 00:00:04.320 --> 00:00:06.879 our last episode, we were talking about how the police 3 00:00:07.280 --> 00:00:11.320 have ruled out the stabbing in Salem and the other 4 00:00:11.359 --> 00:00:15.800 stabbing in Washington as far as being connected to this case. 5 00:00:16.480 --> 00:00:19.600 Now brings us right back to square one. But like 6 00:00:19.679 --> 00:00:22.280 I said in that episode, I think it's interesting that 7 00:00:22.320 --> 00:00:25.359 they keep bringing up this stalker angle, and I think 8 00:00:25.399 --> 00:00:27.960 that it has legs. The more that we learn about it, 9 00:00:28.280 --> 00:00:31.280 and the more that this story evolves, the more likely 10 00:00:31.600 --> 00:00:34.640 that becomes in my opinion. Now, it doesn't mean that 11 00:00:34.679 --> 00:00:37.240 this stalker was somebody who was part of their friend 12 00:00:37.240 --> 00:00:40.240 group or something like that. It could have been anybody 13 00:00:40.960 --> 00:00:43.159 somebody who saw her at work, saw one of these 14 00:00:43.159 --> 00:00:46.079 girls at work, saw them out at the bar, and 15 00:00:46.119 --> 00:00:48.880 then the truly terrifying part is did they start to 16 00:00:48.920 --> 00:00:52.520 follow them as in case their movements, figure out when 17 00:00:52.560 --> 00:00:54.439 the best time to strike at the house would be, 18 00:00:55.159 --> 00:00:57.280 and all of the rest of it. The thing that 19 00:00:57.399 --> 00:01:02.119 keeps me from buying completely into this theory is usually 20 00:01:02.159 --> 00:01:05.640 there's not this sort of damage. When somebody, say a 21 00:01:05.680 --> 00:01:08.519 stalker is going after their target, they wait for them 22 00:01:08.519 --> 00:01:11.159 to be alone, usually and kill them. So how is 23 00:01:11.200 --> 00:01:14.760 it that three other people, including the target. Makes it 24 00:01:14.799 --> 00:01:18.439 four were murdered in this house. If it was a stalker, 25 00:01:18.920 --> 00:01:21.000 it would have to be one of those crazy cases 26 00:01:21.319 --> 00:01:26.000 that is very off the page. And look, just because 27 00:01:26.079 --> 00:01:28.840 it doesn't happen too often doesn't mean it can happen. 28 00:01:29.680 --> 00:01:33.239 And this could have been somebody who had just absolutely snapped, 29 00:01:33.480 --> 00:01:37.200 lost their shit and for whatever reason when on this rampage. 30 00:01:37.920 --> 00:01:41.959 But according to the police and what they're telling Kayley's 31 00:01:42.120 --> 00:01:44.959 family is that one of these students was the target. 32 00:01:45.239 --> 00:01:47.000 And I think if we start to read in between 33 00:01:47.040 --> 00:01:49.359 the lines here, we can start to see how this 34 00:01:49.640 --> 00:01:54.480 investigation seems to be developing behind the scenes, and for me, 35 00:01:55.640 --> 00:01:58.959 seems like they're zeroing in on this stalker angle and 36 00:01:59.000 --> 00:02:01.719 they really believe that the person who is allegedly this 37 00:02:01.799 --> 00:02:05.599 stalker is responsible. Now, I will say this, if this 38 00:02:05.719 --> 00:02:09.280 ends up not being anything and this doesn't bloom into 39 00:02:09.360 --> 00:02:12.639 a huge part for the investigators, I don't know which 40 00:02:12.680 --> 00:02:15.199 way they're going to turn at that point, because as 41 00:02:15.240 --> 00:02:19.719 far as we know the public and from the circumstantial evidence, 42 00:02:19.919 --> 00:02:22.759 there isn't much else to go on. So before we 43 00:02:22.800 --> 00:02:25.680 get ahead of ourselves, however, let's get into this article 44 00:02:25.719 --> 00:02:29.000 from the independent, and let's see what the investigators told 45 00:02:29.120 --> 00:02:35.360 Kayley's parents. Headline police tell Idaho victim's family only one 46 00:02:35.400 --> 00:02:39.280 of the slain students was the target. So that's pretty significant. 47 00:02:39.960 --> 00:02:42.439 If only one of the students was the target, how 48 00:02:42.439 --> 00:02:45.759 did the other students get caught up in this? I 49 00:02:45.800 --> 00:02:48.919 can't put the pieces together here. It's very difficult to 50 00:02:48.960 --> 00:02:53.000 try and comprehend what went down. And my guess is 51 00:02:53.039 --> 00:02:55.319 there's not going to be any comprehension of it. It's 52 00:02:55.360 --> 00:02:57.400 going to be one of those situations where we never 53 00:02:57.520 --> 00:03:00.800 understand all of the details. Even if the person's caught. 54 00:03:01.560 --> 00:03:04.400 I highly doubt they'll ever give us the full story. 55 00:03:05.680 --> 00:03:11.840 This article was authored by Marusha Muzafar. The family of 56 00:03:11.840 --> 00:03:14.520 one of the Idaho victims has claimed that law information 57 00:03:14.639 --> 00:03:18.479 officials have given them vague information about the case and 58 00:03:18.560 --> 00:03:20.800 whether it was just one student who was the target 59 00:03:20.919 --> 00:03:23.360 in the murders, and that, again, is a very big 60 00:03:23.400 --> 00:03:26.719 piece of information, because if it was just one student 61 00:03:26.759 --> 00:03:29.479 who was targeted, that would mean that the other students 62 00:03:29.479 --> 00:03:32.800 were collateral damage. I hate to use that terminology, but 63 00:03:33.080 --> 00:03:35.879 that's what it is. If it was one person who 64 00:03:35.919 --> 00:03:38.520 was targeted and then other people got killed. That's exactly 65 00:03:38.560 --> 00:03:42.159 what it is. But what's leading them to believe that? 66 00:03:42.479 --> 00:03:45.439 I think that's the burning question. What sort of information 67 00:03:45.520 --> 00:03:48.240 have the police compiled behind the scenes to lead them 68 00:03:48.280 --> 00:03:51.280 to believe that it was one person one of these 69 00:03:51.280 --> 00:03:57.919 girls who was targeted. Kelly Gonsalva's father, Steve Gonsalvez, said 70 00:03:57.960 --> 00:04:00.840 that he was a little in denial about the killings 71 00:04:00.960 --> 00:04:03.800 and is focused on getting justice for his daughter despite 72 00:04:03.840 --> 00:04:06.960 the lack of information. I can't even imagine what mister 73 00:04:07.000 --> 00:04:10.719 Gonsalvez is going through. All of us just sat down 74 00:04:10.759 --> 00:04:14.759 with our families on Thursday. We had Thanksgiving dinner, hung around, 75 00:04:14.840 --> 00:04:17.399 we watch football or whatever it is your traditions are 76 00:04:17.399 --> 00:04:20.600 at your house, and had a couple of laughs. I 77 00:04:20.639 --> 00:04:23.439 spent the time with my mom, my dad, my grandmother, 78 00:04:23.480 --> 00:04:25.600 who is eighty nine years old, made the trip out 79 00:04:25.600 --> 00:04:29.160 from New York. So as I'm sitting here celebrating, in 80 00:04:29.199 --> 00:04:31.480 the back of my mind, I'm thinking about what these 81 00:04:31.519 --> 00:04:34.759 families are going through, and it's just heart wrenching to think. 82 00:04:35.000 --> 00:04:37.759 And it's so needless and so pointless, and there's no 83 00:04:37.879 --> 00:04:41.720 rhyme or reason to this. These young people had their 84 00:04:41.759 --> 00:04:44.519 whole lives ahead of them, all of their goals, all 85 00:04:44.560 --> 00:04:47.680 of their dreams, every single hope that they ever had, 86 00:04:48.120 --> 00:04:50.360 just gone like that in a minute, and now the 87 00:04:50.439 --> 00:04:54.680 families have to exist in the wake of all of 88 00:04:54.720 --> 00:04:56.480 that and try and find a way to pick up 89 00:04:56.519 --> 00:05:02.639 the pieces. It is just unbelievably pain even from the sidelines, 90 00:05:02.720 --> 00:05:05.000 to watch people have to go through that. No parents 91 00:05:05.000 --> 00:05:08.560 should ever have to bury their child, especially under circumstances 92 00:05:08.600 --> 00:05:13.639 like this. Authorities have remained largely silent about any breakthroughs 93 00:05:13.639 --> 00:05:17.560 in the tragedy in which students Ethan Chapin, Kaylee Gonsalbez, 94 00:05:17.759 --> 00:05:22.279 Xana Kernodle, and Madison Mogan were found dead on November thirteenth. 95 00:05:23.120 --> 00:05:26.240 I've been told it's one target, but then again there's 96 00:05:26.399 --> 00:05:30.199 the bigness, like it's purposely big. I'm hoping, but it 97 00:05:30.279 --> 00:05:34.319 confuses everyone, Yeah, because nobody knows what that really means, 98 00:05:34.480 --> 00:05:37.920 other than maybe somebody had a different kind of attack footprint, 99 00:05:38.120 --> 00:05:41.680 mister Gonsalvez said in an interview with CNN not to 100 00:05:41.720 --> 00:05:44.879 get to graphic, but what happens in situations like this, 101 00:05:45.040 --> 00:05:49.079 what investigators are looking for is something called overkill. When 102 00:05:49.160 --> 00:05:51.240 one of the bodies has been treated in a more 103 00:05:51.600 --> 00:05:54.560 let us say, rough manner than the other bodies, then 104 00:05:54.759 --> 00:05:58.480 usually they can discern that that was the original target. 105 00:05:58.839 --> 00:06:01.480 And I'm guessing again just to guess here. I don't 106 00:06:01.519 --> 00:06:05.199 have information from mister Gonsalves or the family or anything 107 00:06:05.240 --> 00:06:08.839 like that that they've been told in those certain terms 108 00:06:08.839 --> 00:06:12.920 that something like that occurred. We all want to play 109 00:06:12.920 --> 00:06:15.240 a part in helping, and we can't move if we 110 00:06:15.319 --> 00:06:18.560 don't have any real substantial information to work from. And 111 00:06:18.639 --> 00:06:23.839 the frustration for the families, it's real. Imagine feeling helpless 112 00:06:23.879 --> 00:06:27.519 like this. Your daughter gets murdered, her friends get murdered, 113 00:06:27.560 --> 00:06:29.959 her best friend who grew up in your home gets 114 00:06:30.040 --> 00:06:34.439 murdered like this, and you're helpless. What are you supposed 115 00:06:34.439 --> 00:06:38.319 to do. You have to let the authorities do the investigation, obviously, 116 00:06:38.560 --> 00:06:41.160 but as a father, as a man, you want to 117 00:06:41.199 --> 00:06:44.240 strangle whoever did this. And I can only imagine the 118 00:06:44.240 --> 00:06:48.079 emotions that are running through her father and her dad. 119 00:06:51.040 --> 00:06:53.480 We asked if any law enforcement officials had shared that 120 00:06:53.600 --> 00:06:58.480 Kaylee was targeted. Her mother, Olivia Gonsalves replied, they won't 121 00:06:58.519 --> 00:07:02.040 confirm who that was to us, so we don't know 122 00:07:02.040 --> 00:07:05.000 which one of the roommates was targeted. But according to 123 00:07:05.040 --> 00:07:08.600 everything that we do know. I'm gonna say that this 124 00:07:08.639 --> 00:07:12.319 is where the investigation is at this point. They think 125 00:07:12.360 --> 00:07:15.480 that one of these roommates was targeted for whatever reason 126 00:07:15.680 --> 00:07:20.439 by a stalker or somebody else. And I'm guessing again 127 00:07:20.639 --> 00:07:24.079 just to guess that the other roommates just wrong place, 128 00:07:24.120 --> 00:07:27.600 wrong time. But that doesn't jive really either, because you 129 00:07:27.600 --> 00:07:30.800 would think that somebody would be watching this girl or 130 00:07:30.839 --> 00:07:33.199 the person that they're looking to kill and realize that 131 00:07:33.240 --> 00:07:35.560 there's a bunch of people in this house. So that's 132 00:07:35.600 --> 00:07:38.319 why it's so confusing. There's just no rhyme or reason here. 133 00:07:38.680 --> 00:07:40.839 And every time you think that you're going down a 134 00:07:40.879 --> 00:07:44.360 pathway that seems logical, you run into a roadblock by 135 00:07:44.399 --> 00:07:47.519 some kind of crazy fact that pops up. In the case, 136 00:07:49.600 --> 00:07:52.319 it's just a rumor at this point, said mister Gonsalves. 137 00:07:52.920 --> 00:07:55.759 Mister Gonsalves also said the police were not sharing much 138 00:07:55.800 --> 00:07:58.839 information with them, and I don't doubt that again, the 139 00:07:58.920 --> 00:08:01.639 police are going to play this close to the vest. 140 00:08:01.680 --> 00:08:04.720 At this point, we should know that the investigation is 141 00:08:04.759 --> 00:08:07.839 not going to be one that's done in the public eye. Now, 142 00:08:07.959 --> 00:08:10.800 if this ends up with an arrest and they get 143 00:08:10.800 --> 00:08:13.000 the person they're looking for. There's gonna be a lot 144 00:08:13.040 --> 00:08:15.439 of pats on the back to go around. But if 145 00:08:15.480 --> 00:08:17.720 they screw this up and they don't find the person 146 00:08:18.079 --> 00:08:20.600 and this drags on and on and on, they're gonna 147 00:08:20.600 --> 00:08:23.920 be open to a lot of criticism. Trying to get helpted. 148 00:08:25.639 --> 00:08:29.160 They're not sharing much with me. I mean, I yesterday 149 00:08:29.279 --> 00:08:32.559 I asked about the stalker question and they couldn't confirm anything, 150 00:08:32.879 --> 00:08:35.279 and then today I hear that they're reaching out to 151 00:08:35.320 --> 00:08:38.600 the community saying that there's a stalker involved. So I 152 00:08:38.639 --> 00:08:41.320 don't know what to make of that. I think that 153 00:08:41.759 --> 00:08:45.840 we can probably pretty much guarantee at this point that's 154 00:08:45.919 --> 00:08:49.480 their theory. There's a stalker, and they're trying to figure 155 00:08:49.519 --> 00:08:53.960 out and sess out who this person might be. They're 156 00:08:54.000 --> 00:08:56.720 just so vague with everything that they say, and then 157 00:08:56.799 --> 00:08:59.799 they're like slowly peeling it back later until you find 158 00:08:59.840 --> 00:09:03.519 the real story. Said Steve Gonsalvez, Kayley's brother. It all 159 00:09:03.559 --> 00:09:06.559 started with a sharp edged weapon. What was the use 160 00:09:06.600 --> 00:09:09.120 in telling the community that a sharp edged weapon was 161 00:09:09.240 --> 00:09:11.600 used instead of just coming out and telling us that 162 00:09:11.639 --> 00:09:14.039 it was a night from the beginning. I don't understand 163 00:09:14.080 --> 00:09:17.000 the purposeness of being so vague, you're not holding the 164 00:09:17.000 --> 00:09:20.200 integrity of the case together by not telling people anything, 165 00:09:20.279 --> 00:09:22.960 he added, And again this is the family member saying this. 166 00:09:23.559 --> 00:09:25.919 I know there's people out there that get fired up 167 00:09:25.919 --> 00:09:29.039 when anyone questions the integrity of anybody's case, and there's 168 00:09:29.080 --> 00:09:31.639 people who are like gung ho to defend the police 169 00:09:31.639 --> 00:09:35.600 department no matter what me. I feel like criticism should 170 00:09:35.600 --> 00:09:38.320 be fired off when it's due. Now. You don't need 171 00:09:38.360 --> 00:09:42.879 to be, you know, overbearing with that criticism and you know, 172 00:09:42.960 --> 00:09:46.279 make it personal or anything like that. But look, when 173 00:09:46.360 --> 00:09:49.360 you're investigating a high profile case like this, people are 174 00:09:49.360 --> 00:09:51.519 gonna have some opinions. And if you're going to be 175 00:09:51.519 --> 00:09:54.720 passive aggressive, and then you're not going to be receptive 176 00:09:55.080 --> 00:09:57.840 as far as the families go with giving them a 177 00:09:57.879 --> 00:10:00.440 little information, you know, people are going to be from frustrated. 178 00:10:00.480 --> 00:10:03.480 Let's remember, while we're all just following this case and 179 00:10:03.519 --> 00:10:06.840 reading about it and listening about it, mister Gonsalvez is 180 00:10:06.879 --> 00:10:09.919 living it. This is his fucking reality now. There's no 181 00:10:10.039 --> 00:10:13.440 tomorrow waking up and this nightmare being over. This is 182 00:10:13.480 --> 00:10:16.480 their reality now, and they're frustrated and they feel like 183 00:10:16.480 --> 00:10:19.440 they're not getting the assistance from the police as far 184 00:10:19.480 --> 00:10:23.360 as information in this case. So I try to put 185 00:10:23.360 --> 00:10:29.600 myself in their position, and I'd feel the same exact way, honestly. Meanwhile, 186 00:10:29.720 --> 00:10:32.320 questions are mounting about a potential link between the murder 187 00:10:32.360 --> 00:10:35.320 of four University of Idaho students and a twenty twenty 188 00:10:35.360 --> 00:10:39.360 one stabbing murder in Salem, Morigan, which also remains unsolved. 189 00:10:39.679 --> 00:10:43.159 Now we can put that to bed. Like the article 190 00:10:43.200 --> 00:10:46.240 that I read previously, there is no connection with those 191 00:10:46.279 --> 00:10:50.039 stabbings according to the investigation. So once again we loop 192 00:10:50.120 --> 00:10:53.799 back to the stalker. And for me, I think this 193 00:10:53.879 --> 00:10:56.240 is what they're zeroing in on right now. I don't 194 00:10:56.240 --> 00:10:59.360 have that as a fact, folks, Okay, so please don't 195 00:10:59.360 --> 00:11:01.440 take it as a fact. But when you start reading 196 00:11:01.440 --> 00:11:03.519 in between the lines and you look at what they're 197 00:11:03.559 --> 00:11:06.960 not saying, it certainly leads me to believe that they 198 00:11:07.000 --> 00:11:08.879 have all their chips pushed to the center of the 199 00:11:08.919 --> 00:11:13.279 table on this stalker theory. Is it going to bear fruit? 200 00:11:13.519 --> 00:11:16.320 And will they find their guy? We'll have to see, 201 00:11:17.000 --> 00:11:19.159 all right, folks. That's gonna do it for this episode. 202 00:11:19.200 --> 00:11:21.240 If you'd like to contact me, you can do that 203 00:11:21.360 --> 00:11:25.279 at Bobby Kapuchi at ProtonMail dot com. That's bo bb 204 00:11:25.519 --> 00:11:29.639 Y c ap u Cci at ProtonMail dot com. You 205 00:11:29.639 --> 00:11:34.360 can also find me on Twitter at Bobby underscore cap 206 00:11:34.840 --> 00:11:38.200 you Cci. The link that I discussed can be found 207 00:11:38.440 --> 00:11:42.000 in the description box. What's up everyone, and welcome back 208 00:11:42.039 --> 00:11:46.559 to the program. Ever since the murders in Moscow occurred, 209 00:11:47.519 --> 00:11:51.480 Steve Gonsolves, the father of Klee Gonsolve, has been very 210 00:11:51.519 --> 00:11:56.159 outspoken about the investigation and about what's going on as 211 00:11:56.240 --> 00:11:59.320 far as bringing the killer to justice. And he's not 212 00:11:59.399 --> 00:12:02.600 letting off the game, folks. He's continuing on his path, 213 00:12:02.960 --> 00:12:07.720 criticizing the police, criticizing the investigation, and demanding that more 214 00:12:07.759 --> 00:12:12.159 be done. Now. I know people are out there saying that, oh, 215 00:12:12.200 --> 00:12:15.320 Steve Gonsalves, he's going to cause the case to go south. 216 00:12:15.600 --> 00:12:17.639 He's going to be the reason why the police don't 217 00:12:17.679 --> 00:12:22.080 find anybody. I say, that's ridiculous. This is a grieving father, 218 00:12:22.639 --> 00:12:26.120 and this is somebody who is demanding justice and demanding 219 00:12:26.159 --> 00:12:29.320 answers for the murder of his daughter. Now, you could 220 00:12:29.360 --> 00:12:33.600 have whatever opinion you want about him saying whatever he's saying, 221 00:12:33.960 --> 00:12:35.759 but to try and act like he's going to be 222 00:12:35.840 --> 00:12:40.080 somebody who's an impediment in the case. That's just crazy. 223 00:12:40.200 --> 00:12:42.600 The cops aren't giving him any information. It's not like 224 00:12:42.639 --> 00:12:45.440 they're letting him know what they're doing. He's not an 225 00:12:45.480 --> 00:12:49.720 official investigating this case. He's a grieving father that's demanding 226 00:12:49.759 --> 00:12:53.559 answers and accountability, and people who don't understand that. I 227 00:12:53.559 --> 00:12:55.399 really don't know what to say to you. Try to 228 00:12:55.399 --> 00:12:59.639 put yourself in his shoes. Today's article is from Fox 229 00:12:59.679 --> 00:13:04.240 News headline Idaho murders. Father of slain victim says she 230 00:13:04.360 --> 00:13:10.080 had big open wounds and calls the police cowards, and 231 00:13:10.120 --> 00:13:12.679 those are some pretty strong words. There's no doubt about it. 232 00:13:12.720 --> 00:13:16.399 Mister Gonsalves has some pretty strong opinions about how this 233 00:13:16.519 --> 00:13:20.559 investigation's going. And if it was me in his position, 234 00:13:20.840 --> 00:13:23.919 I've said it before, he's handling this with a lot 235 00:13:23.919 --> 00:13:26.639 more grace than I know I would. I have a 236 00:13:26.679 --> 00:13:29.720 degree in ignorance when the time is called for, and 237 00:13:29.799 --> 00:13:33.279 I will go absolutely off the handle. So the way 238 00:13:33.320 --> 00:13:36.159 he's handling it and this commentary, even though a bit 239 00:13:36.200 --> 00:13:38.320 of it is harsh, is a lot better than I 240 00:13:38.360 --> 00:13:42.639 would be handling it, I promise you. Four weeks have 241 00:13:42.679 --> 00:13:46.639 passed since the stunning quadruple homicide and Moscow, Idaho police 242 00:13:46.960 --> 00:13:50.559 have yet to name a suspect. This article was authored 243 00:13:50.799 --> 00:13:56.960 by Rebecca Rosenberg. The father of slain University Idaho's student 244 00:13:57.039 --> 00:14:01.440 Kaylee Gonsalves told Fox News Digital that the victims had big, 245 00:14:01.559 --> 00:14:04.720 open gouges that were clearly the work of a sadistic 246 00:14:04.759 --> 00:14:07.919 male and called police cowards for not sharing that with 247 00:14:08.039 --> 00:14:12.200 the public. And look, I get it, there is a 248 00:14:12.240 --> 00:14:17.440 psychopath on the loose. Now I'm trying to be you know, understanding. Obviously, 249 00:14:17.600 --> 00:14:21.559 the investigation has all kinds of twists and turns that 250 00:14:21.600 --> 00:14:25.320 it's undergoing behind the scenes, and they can't divulge what 251 00:14:25.399 --> 00:14:28.480 they're up to to the public because that would, you know, 252 00:14:28.639 --> 00:14:31.399 jeopardize a prosecution later on. And that should be the 253 00:14:31.480 --> 00:14:35.039 end result and the goal that everybody's looking for. But 254 00:14:35.159 --> 00:14:37.360 at the same time, they have to walk the line. 255 00:14:37.639 --> 00:14:39.879 And if there's a psychopath on the loose, don't you 256 00:14:39.879 --> 00:14:42.679 think you should profile that person? Don't you think that 257 00:14:42.720 --> 00:14:45.120 you should let the community know that this is the 258 00:14:45.200 --> 00:14:51.679 kind of person we're looking for, Stephen Gonsalvez said. He 259 00:14:51.720 --> 00:14:55.200 asked the coroner, Kathy Mabbitt how many times the victims 260 00:14:55.200 --> 00:14:58.559 were stabbed. She says, sir, I don't think stab is 261 00:14:58.559 --> 00:15:02.200 the right word. It was like tears, like this was 262 00:15:02.200 --> 00:15:05.200 a strong weapon, not like a stab, he told Fox 263 00:15:05.240 --> 00:15:07.559 News Digital. Now I won't go too much into that. 264 00:15:07.960 --> 00:15:11.519 I'll let you use your own imagination, but it sounds 265 00:15:11.639 --> 00:15:15.279 very brutal and much different than just a stab. If 266 00:15:15.320 --> 00:15:20.080 you will, she said, these were very big, open gouges. 267 00:15:20.440 --> 00:15:23.600 She said, it was quick. These weren't something where you 268 00:15:23.639 --> 00:15:25.360 were going to be able to call nine to one one. 269 00:15:25.799 --> 00:15:28.480 They were not going to slowly bleed out, he said. 270 00:15:28.840 --> 00:15:31.679 So basically what he's saying there is the wounds were 271 00:15:31.720 --> 00:15:34.360 so severe that even a call the nine to one 272 00:15:34.440 --> 00:15:38.000 one wouldn't have saved these kids. So whoever did this 273 00:15:38.279 --> 00:15:41.919 did it with utter violence and no regard for human life. 274 00:15:42.480 --> 00:15:45.559 We're dealing with a straight up psychopath. Now. I won't 275 00:15:45.600 --> 00:15:48.440 even begin to try and speculate who that psychopath is. 276 00:15:48.600 --> 00:15:51.519 I have no idea. But anyone who tries to convince 277 00:15:51.519 --> 00:15:54.120 me that the person we're looking for, or the persons 278 00:15:54.159 --> 00:15:57.600 we're looking for isn't capable of doing this again, well 279 00:15:57.639 --> 00:15:59.559 I'll just straight up say it. I don't believe you. 280 00:15:59.799 --> 00:16:01.759 Because if you can go into a house and kill 281 00:16:01.840 --> 00:16:04.720 four people in cold blood while they sleep in their beds. 282 00:16:05.440 --> 00:16:09.000 You are more than capable of doing it again, and honestly, 283 00:16:09.039 --> 00:16:12.440 the likelihood that it happens again is pretty high. Now, 284 00:16:12.559 --> 00:16:15.000 I'm not saying that it will be a quadruple homicide, 285 00:16:15.320 --> 00:16:19.039 but if somebody kills four people and they don't get 286 00:16:19.080 --> 00:16:21.200 caught for it, do you really think that they're never 287 00:16:21.200 --> 00:16:27.559 going to kill again. Kaylee Gonsalves, her best friend Madison Mogan, 288 00:16:27.720 --> 00:16:31.360 Xana Kernodle, and her boyfriend Ethan Chapin were slaughtered in 289 00:16:31.399 --> 00:16:34.559 the early morning hours of November thirteenth in a rental 290 00:16:34.600 --> 00:16:38.600 home near the campus. Moscow police working with the FBI 291 00:16:38.679 --> 00:16:41.440 and Idaho State Police have yet to publicly name of 292 00:16:41.559 --> 00:16:45.399 suspect or recover the fixed blade knife they believe was 293 00:16:45.559 --> 00:16:48.120 used in the horrific attack that has left the small 294 00:16:48.120 --> 00:16:51.639 college town reeling from grief, and not only that, the 295 00:16:51.840 --> 00:16:55.039 entire town is on edge. Nobody knows if this killer 296 00:16:55.279 --> 00:16:57.919 is still in the community, if this killer is left, 297 00:16:58.279 --> 00:17:02.799 or if and when they'll strike it again. Gonsalves said 298 00:17:02.799 --> 00:17:06.359 his daughter's injuries definitely did not match Mogan's wounds. They 299 00:17:06.400 --> 00:17:10.039 may have individually died from the exact same thing being stabbed, 300 00:17:10.279 --> 00:17:13.119 but there are more details, he added, they're not even 301 00:17:13.160 --> 00:17:17.079 close to matching. The knife slashed open Kaylee gonsolved his 302 00:17:17.160 --> 00:17:21.079 liver and lungs. He said, So again, is it a 303 00:17:21.079 --> 00:17:25.400 targeted attack that was aimed at Kaylee? And the way 304 00:17:25.440 --> 00:17:28.400 the investigators go through that and figure that out is 305 00:17:28.440 --> 00:17:31.799 if there's overkill. So if her body, her remains not 306 00:17:31.799 --> 00:17:34.599 to be too gross grossier, folks, but if her remains 307 00:17:34.920 --> 00:17:38.400 were damaged more, if you will, than one of the 308 00:17:38.440 --> 00:17:40.920 other kids or the other kids, then that would lead 309 00:17:40.960 --> 00:17:44.920 the investigators to believe that Kaylee might have been the target. 310 00:17:46.359 --> 00:17:49.200 And to hear that it's slashed open her liver and lungs. 311 00:17:49.440 --> 00:17:52.799 That is some gesome, gruesome stuff, folks. And the power 312 00:17:52.799 --> 00:17:55.039 that it would take to do that. Think about that 313 00:17:55.079 --> 00:17:57.279 for a minute. It is not easy to cut through 314 00:17:57.640 --> 00:18:01.400 even a steak. You have a human being here, and 315 00:18:01.799 --> 00:18:04.920 it was with so much violence that it cut her 316 00:18:05.119 --> 00:18:08.200 spleen and her lung I mean, her liver and her lungs. 317 00:18:11.279 --> 00:18:13.720 The grieving father paid for a copy of his daughter's 318 00:18:13.720 --> 00:18:17.480 death certificate, which included some of the details of her injuries, 319 00:18:17.839 --> 00:18:20.640 but he doesn't know whether his daughter or Mogan were 320 00:18:20.680 --> 00:18:23.839 the targets. I have my own suspicions. He said he 321 00:18:23.920 --> 00:18:26.079 had to pay for the death certificate. They wouldn't just 322 00:18:26.240 --> 00:18:29.359 piece him off one real quick. I mean, it's bad 323 00:18:29.440 --> 00:18:32.000 enough you're grieving that your daughter has just been murdered. 324 00:18:32.119 --> 00:18:34.559 They can't give you the death certificate on the arm. 325 00:18:36.880 --> 00:18:39.480 His daughter and Mogan were ambushed in their sleep and 326 00:18:39.680 --> 00:18:43.359 found in the same bed. According to the coroner. Gonsalves 327 00:18:43.440 --> 00:18:46.240 surmised that they died in Mogan's bedroom on the third 328 00:18:46.240 --> 00:18:49.519 floor because there are photos of Kaylee's room with no 329 00:18:49.680 --> 00:18:54.039 blood on the bed. Now, obviously mister Gonsalves has had 330 00:18:54.200 --> 00:18:57.279 access to some stuff that the public hasn't seen, but 331 00:18:57.359 --> 00:19:02.079 it's none of the stuff that would move in investigation forward. Instead, 332 00:19:02.119 --> 00:19:05.519 the information he has is limited to what he could 333 00:19:05.759 --> 00:19:10.039 ascertain for himself via the information he was told and 334 00:19:10.240 --> 00:19:13.119 the coroner's report. So it's not like the police are 335 00:19:13.200 --> 00:19:16.839 running things by mister Gonsalves before they go and conduct 336 00:19:16.880 --> 00:19:20.440 their investigation. So that's why I say I find it 337 00:19:20.519 --> 00:19:23.839 laughable that anyone would think that mister Gonsalves is going 338 00:19:23.920 --> 00:19:26.119 to be an impediment here. I have to tell you 339 00:19:27.039 --> 00:19:29.640 this is what I would expect from most fathers if 340 00:19:29.680 --> 00:19:32.519 they had a murdered daughter and they weren't getting any answers. 341 00:19:35.240 --> 00:19:38.000 He added that the investigators didn't obscure the windows in 342 00:19:38.039 --> 00:19:41.000 his daughter's room like they did for the other victims. 343 00:19:41.680 --> 00:19:45.160 Although the coroner told Gonsalves that the victims died quickly 344 00:19:45.279 --> 00:19:49.200 and did not suffer, he said he's not convinced. Kernodle, 345 00:19:49.279 --> 00:19:51.920 who had defensive wounds, and Chapin were found on the 346 00:19:51.920 --> 00:19:55.519 second floor of the eleven twenty two King Road. It 347 00:19:55.559 --> 00:19:57.400 was a hell of a battle going on down there, 348 00:19:57.480 --> 00:20:01.200 from what the coroner told us. Gonsalves said, So that's interesting, right, 349 00:20:01.960 --> 00:20:04.000 A hell of a battle going on down there. So 350 00:20:04.440 --> 00:20:07.440 did Ethan wake up and fight back, And did him 351 00:20:07.480 --> 00:20:11.440 fighting back lead to the killer or killers leaving and 352 00:20:11.519 --> 00:20:15.799 not going after the girls downstairs? Again speculation on my part, 353 00:20:15.880 --> 00:20:19.960 But if Ethan was fighting back like mister Gonsalvas is 354 00:20:19.960 --> 00:20:22.799 saying here, and Xana was fighting back, that would lead 355 00:20:22.839 --> 00:20:25.759 me to believe that the killer would probably want to 356 00:20:25.759 --> 00:20:31.359 get out of Dodge at that point. Mabbitt, when reached 357 00:20:31.359 --> 00:20:34.480 by phone, declined to comment on the information she disclosed 358 00:20:34.599 --> 00:20:38.440 to Gonsalvis. The coroner told him that the perpetrator was 359 00:20:38.480 --> 00:20:41.839 a strong individual, but police have yet to identify the 360 00:20:41.880 --> 00:20:45.359 suspects gender. I got outraged by them not just coming 361 00:20:45.359 --> 00:20:47.680 out and saying this was a woman or a man, 362 00:20:47.960 --> 00:20:49.960 because they should know by the amount of strength it 363 00:20:50.039 --> 00:20:53.839 took to deliver the injuries. He said, They're just being cowards. 364 00:20:54.200 --> 00:20:56.599 There are girls walking around the street right now that 365 00:20:56.720 --> 00:20:59.839 deserve to know. They should be looking out for a sedist. 366 00:21:00.960 --> 00:21:05.160 That certainly sounds like the proper person fitting a profile here. 367 00:21:05.480 --> 00:21:08.519 With the little bit of information we have, I highly 368 00:21:08.559 --> 00:21:12.839 doubt that it was a female who did this. Police 369 00:21:12.839 --> 00:21:14.839 said in a statement that they will not comment on 370 00:21:15.200 --> 00:21:18.680 or release specific details of the crime. It is what 371 00:21:18.720 --> 00:21:21.319 we must do to preserve the integrity of the investigation, 372 00:21:21.519 --> 00:21:25.640 said Robbie Johnson, public information officer for the Moscow Police Department. 373 00:21:26.079 --> 00:21:28.880 We want more than an arrest, We want justice. It 374 00:21:28.920 --> 00:21:31.319 takes time to do it right. So this is interesting. 375 00:21:31.359 --> 00:21:33.880 Now they have a public information officer should have done 376 00:21:33.920 --> 00:21:36.599 this from the beginning, if you remember, going back to 377 00:21:36.640 --> 00:21:39.599 the very start, That's what I said. Have one person 378 00:21:39.920 --> 00:21:42.440 dealing with all of the messaging. That way, you don't 379 00:21:42.440 --> 00:21:45.160 have all of the hiccups and stepping on your dick 380 00:21:45.200 --> 00:21:52.359 along the way. Johnson said police are encouraging good safety 381 00:21:52.359 --> 00:21:55.200 practices in general and are not focusing on a specific 382 00:21:55.279 --> 00:21:58.400 threat to the community. Now, that's an interesting statement, and 383 00:21:58.480 --> 00:22:01.480 if you unpack it, it leads us to believe that 384 00:22:01.519 --> 00:22:03.880 the police they don't think that the person who did 385 00:22:03.880 --> 00:22:06.759 this is a threat to the community. Well, I'd love 386 00:22:06.799 --> 00:22:09.200 to know why they think that. And perhaps if they 387 00:22:09.240 --> 00:22:12.200 would just tell people why they think that, then maybe 388 00:22:12.359 --> 00:22:14.720 some of the questions that are being fired at them 389 00:22:14.880 --> 00:22:18.279 on a regular basis about this topic would come to 390 00:22:18.319 --> 00:22:21.240 an end. But instead we continue to get statements with 391 00:22:21.359 --> 00:22:27.240 no context or clarity from the investigators. The University of 392 00:22:27.279 --> 00:22:32.119 Idaho's commencement ceremony, held on Saturday, was somber rather than celebratory, 393 00:22:32.400 --> 00:22:35.599 as the mysterious murders continue to cast a shadow over 394 00:22:35.640 --> 00:22:38.559 the small town. A moment of silence was held for 395 00:22:38.640 --> 00:22:42.599 the victims, two of whom were slated to graduate. So 396 00:22:42.599 --> 00:22:45.759 Steve gonsalves, folks, he's taking the gloves off and he's 397 00:22:45.759 --> 00:22:48.599 going hard in the pain. Here. He wants answers, and 398 00:22:48.640 --> 00:22:51.759 he wants to find the person who is responsible for 399 00:22:51.880 --> 00:22:55.039 killing his daughter. And I know that there's people that 400 00:22:55.079 --> 00:22:57.359 are going to criticize him and have a lot to 401 00:22:57.400 --> 00:23:00.400