Speaker 1: What's up everyone, and welcome back to the program. In
Speaker 1: our last episode, we were talking about how the police
Speaker 1: have ruled out the stabbing in Salem and the other
Speaker 1: stabbing in Washington as far as being connected to this case.
Speaker 1: Now brings us right back to square one. But like
Speaker 1: I said in that episode, I think it's interesting that
Speaker 1: they keep bringing up this stalker angle, and I think
Speaker 1: that it has legs. The more that we learn about it,
Speaker 1: and the more that this story evolves, the more likely
Speaker 1: that becomes in my opinion. Now, it doesn't mean that
Speaker 1: this stalker was somebody who was part of their friend
Speaker 1: group or something like that. It could have been anybody
Speaker 1: somebody who saw her at work, saw one of these
Speaker 1: girls at work, saw them out at the bar, and
Speaker 1: then the truly terrifying part is did they start to
Speaker 1: follow them as in case their movements, figure out when
Speaker 1: the best time to strike at the house would be,
Speaker 1: and all of the rest of it. The thing that
Speaker 1: keeps me from buying completely into this theory is usually
Speaker 1: there's not this sort of damage. When somebody, say a
Speaker 1: stalker is going after their target, they wait for them
Speaker 1: to be alone, usually and kill them. So how is
Speaker 1: it that three other people, including the target. Makes it
Speaker 1: four were murdered in this house. If it was a stalker,
Speaker 1: it would have to be one of those crazy cases
Speaker 1: that is very off the page. And look, just because
Speaker 1: it doesn't happen too often doesn't mean it can happen.
Speaker 1: And this could have been somebody who had just absolutely snapped,
Speaker 1: lost their shit and for whatever reason when on this rampage.
Speaker 1: But according to the police and what they're telling Kayley's
Speaker 1: family is that one of these students was the target.
Speaker 1: And I think if we start to read in between
Speaker 1: the lines here, we can start to see how this
Speaker 1: investigation seems to be developing behind the scenes, and for me,
Speaker 1: seems like they're zeroing in on this stalker angle and
Speaker 1: they really believe that the person who is allegedly this
Speaker 1: stalker is responsible. Now, I will say this, if this
Speaker 1: ends up not being anything and this doesn't bloom into
Speaker 1: a huge part for the investigators, I don't know which
Speaker 1: way they're going to turn at that point, because as
Speaker 1: far as we know the public and from the circumstantial evidence,
Speaker 1: there isn't much else to go on. So before we
Speaker 1: get ahead of ourselves, however, let's get into this article
Speaker 1: from the independent, and let's see what the investigators told
Speaker 1: Kayley's parents. Headline police tell Idaho victim's family only one
Speaker 1: of the slain students was the target. So that's pretty significant.
Speaker 1: If only one of the students was the target, how
Speaker 1: did the other students get caught up in this? I
Speaker 1: can't put the pieces together here. It's very difficult to
Speaker 1: try and comprehend what went down. And my guess is
Speaker 1: there's not going to be any comprehension of it. It's
Speaker 1: going to be one of those situations where we never
Speaker 1: understand all of the details. Even if the person's caught.
Speaker 1: I highly doubt they'll ever give us the full story.
Speaker 1: This article was authored by Marusha Muzafar. The family of
Speaker 1: one of the Idaho victims has claimed that law information
Speaker 1: officials have given them vague information about the case and
Speaker 1: whether it was just one student who was the target
Speaker 1: in the murders, and that, again, is a very big
Speaker 1: piece of information, because if it was just one student
Speaker 1: who was targeted, that would mean that the other students
Speaker 1: were collateral damage. I hate to use that terminology, but
Speaker 1: that's what it is. If it was one person who
Speaker 1: was targeted and then other people got killed. That's exactly
Speaker 1: what it is. But what's leading them to believe that?
Speaker 1: I think that's the burning question. What sort of information
Speaker 1: have the police compiled behind the scenes to lead them
Speaker 1: to believe that it was one person one of these
Speaker 1: girls who was targeted. Kelly Gonsalva's father, Steve Gonsalvez, said
Speaker 1: that he was a little in denial about the killings
Speaker 1: and is focused on getting justice for his daughter despite
Speaker 1: the lack of information. I can't even imagine what mister
Speaker 1: Gonsalvez is going through. All of us just sat down
Speaker 1: with our families on Thursday. We had Thanksgiving dinner, hung around,
Speaker 1: we watch football or whatever it is your traditions are
Speaker 1: at your house, and had a couple of laughs. I
Speaker 1: spent the time with my mom, my dad, my grandmother,
Speaker 1: who is eighty nine years old, made the trip out
Speaker 1: from New York. So as I'm sitting here celebrating, in
Speaker 1: the back of my mind, I'm thinking about what these
Speaker 1: families are going through, and it's just heart wrenching to think.
Speaker 1: And it's so needless and so pointless, and there's no
Speaker 1: rhyme or reason to this. These young people had their
Speaker 1: whole lives ahead of them, all of their goals, all
Speaker 1: of their dreams, every single hope that they ever had,
Speaker 1: just gone like that in a minute, and now the
Speaker 1: families have to exist in the wake of all of
Speaker 1: that and try and find a way to pick up
Speaker 1: the pieces. It is just unbelievably pain even from the sidelines,
Speaker 1: to watch people have to go through that. No parents
Speaker 1: should ever have to bury their child, especially under circumstances
Speaker 1: like this. Authorities have remained largely silent about any breakthroughs
Speaker 1: in the tragedy in which students Ethan Chapin, Kaylee Gonsalbez,
Speaker 1: Xana Kernodle, and Madison Mogan were found dead on November thirteenth.
Speaker 1: I've been told it's one target, but then again there's
Speaker 1: the bigness, like it's purposely big. I'm hoping, but it
Speaker 1: confuses everyone, Yeah, because nobody knows what that really means,
Speaker 1: other than maybe somebody had a different kind of attack footprint,
Speaker 1: mister Gonsalvez said in an interview with CNN not to
Speaker 1: get to graphic, but what happens in situations like this,
Speaker 1: what investigators are looking for is something called overkill. When
Speaker 1: one of the bodies has been treated in a more
Speaker 1: let us say, rough manner than the other bodies, then
Speaker 1: usually they can discern that that was the original target.
Speaker 1: And I'm guessing again just to guess here. I don't
Speaker 1: have information from mister Gonsalves or the family or anything
Speaker 1: like that that they've been told in those certain terms
Speaker 1: that something like that occurred. We all want to play
Speaker 1: a part in helping, and we can't move if we
Speaker 1: don't have any real substantial information to work from. And
Speaker 1: the frustration for the families, it's real. Imagine feeling helpless
Speaker 1: like this. Your daughter gets murdered, her friends get murdered,
Speaker 1: her best friend who grew up in your home gets
Speaker 1: murdered like this, and you're helpless. What are you supposed
Speaker 1: to do. You have to let the authorities do the investigation, obviously,
Speaker 1: but as a father, as a man, you want to
Speaker 1: strangle whoever did this. And I can only imagine the
Speaker 1: emotions that are running through her father and her dad.
Speaker 1: We asked if any law enforcement officials had shared that
Speaker 1: Kaylee was targeted. Her mother, Olivia Gonsalves replied, they won't
Speaker 1: confirm who that was to us, so we don't know
Speaker 1: which one of the roommates was targeted. But according to
Speaker 1: everything that we do know. I'm gonna say that this
Speaker 1: is where the investigation is at this point. They think
Speaker 1: that one of these roommates was targeted for whatever reason
Speaker 1: by a stalker or somebody else. And I'm guessing again
Speaker 1: just to guess that the other roommates just wrong place,
Speaker 1: wrong time. But that doesn't jive really either, because you
Speaker 1: would think that somebody would be watching this girl or
Speaker 1: the person that they're looking to kill and realize that
Speaker 1: there's a bunch of people in this house. So that's
Speaker 1: why it's so confusing. There's just no rhyme or reason here.
Speaker 1: And every time you think that you're going down a
Speaker 1: pathway that seems logical, you run into a roadblock by
Speaker 1: some kind of crazy fact that pops up. In the case,
Speaker 1: it's just a rumor at this point, said mister Gonsalves.
Speaker 1: Mister Gonsalves also said the police were not sharing much
Speaker 1: information with them, and I don't doubt that again, the
Speaker 1: police are going to play this close to the vest.
Speaker 1: At this point, we should know that the investigation is
Speaker 1: not going to be one that's done in the public eye. Now,
Speaker 1: if this ends up with an arrest and they get
Speaker 1: the person they're looking for. There's gonna be a lot
Speaker 1: of pats on the back to go around. But if
Speaker 1: they screw this up and they don't find the person
Speaker 1: and this drags on and on and on, they're gonna
Speaker 1: be open to a lot of criticism. Trying to get helpted.
Speaker 1: They're not sharing much with me. I mean, I yesterday
Speaker 1: I asked about the stalker question and they couldn't confirm anything,
Speaker 1: and then today I hear that they're reaching out to
Speaker 1: the community saying that there's a stalker involved. So I
Speaker 1: don't know what to make of that. I think that
Speaker 1: we can probably pretty much guarantee at this point that's
Speaker 1: their theory. There's a stalker, and they're trying to figure
Speaker 1: out and sess out who this person might be. They're
Speaker 1: just so vague with everything that they say, and then
Speaker 1: they're like slowly peeling it back later until you find
Speaker 1: the real story. Said Steve Gonsalvez, Kayley's brother. It all
Speaker 1: started with a sharp edged weapon. What was the use
Speaker 1: in telling the community that a sharp edged weapon was
Speaker 1: used instead of just coming out and telling us that
Speaker 1: it was a night from the beginning. I don't understand
Speaker 1: the purposeness of being so vague, you're not holding the
Speaker 1: integrity of the case together by not telling people anything,
Speaker 1: he added, And again this is the family member saying this.
Speaker 1: I know there's people out there that get fired up
Speaker 1: when anyone questions the integrity of anybody's case, and there's
Speaker 1: people who are like gung ho to defend the police
Speaker 1: department no matter what me. I feel like criticism should
Speaker 1: be fired off when it's due. Now. You don't need
Speaker 1: to be, you know, overbearing with that criticism and you know,
Speaker 1: make it personal or anything like that. But look, when
Speaker 1: you're investigating a high profile case like this, people are
Speaker 1: gonna have some opinions. And if you're going to be
Speaker 1: passive aggressive, and then you're not going to be receptive
Speaker 1: as far as the families go with giving them a
Speaker 1: little information, you know, people are going to be from frustrated.
Speaker 1: Let's remember, while we're all just following this case and
Speaker 1: reading about it and listening about it, mister Gonsalvez is
Speaker 1: living it. This is his fucking reality now. There's no
Speaker 1: tomorrow waking up and this nightmare being over. This is
Speaker 1: their reality now, and they're frustrated and they feel like
Speaker 1: they're not getting the assistance from the police as far
Speaker 1: as information in this case. So I try to put
Speaker 1: myself in their position, and I'd feel the same exact way, honestly. Meanwhile,
Speaker 1: questions are mounting about a potential link between the murder
Speaker 1: of four University of Idaho students and a twenty twenty
Speaker 1: one stabbing murder in Salem, Morigan, which also remains unsolved.
Speaker 1: Now we can put that to bed. Like the article
Speaker 1: that I read previously, there is no connection with those
Speaker 1: stabbings according to the investigation. So once again we loop
Speaker 1: back to the stalker. And for me, I think this
Speaker 1: is what they're zeroing in on right now. I don't
Speaker 1: have that as a fact, folks, Okay, so please don't
Speaker 1: take it as a fact. But when you start reading
Speaker 1: in between the lines and you look at what they're
Speaker 1: not saying, it certainly leads me to believe that they
Speaker 1: have all their chips pushed to the center of the
Speaker 1: table on this stalker theory. Is it going to bear fruit?
Speaker 1: And will they find their guy? We'll have to see,
Speaker 1: all right, folks. That's gonna do it for this episode.
Speaker 1: If you'd like to contact me, you can do that
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Speaker 1: you Cci. The link that I discussed can be found
Speaker 1: in the description box. What's up everyone, and welcome back
Speaker 1: to the program. Ever since the murders in Moscow occurred,
Speaker 1: Steve Gonsolves, the father of Klee Gonsolve, has been very
Speaker 1: outspoken about the investigation and about what's going on as
Speaker 1: far as bringing the killer to justice. And he's not
Speaker 1: letting off the game, folks. He's continuing on his path,
Speaker 1: criticizing the police, criticizing the investigation, and demanding that more
Speaker 1: be done. Now. I know people are out there saying that, oh,
Speaker 1: Steve Gonsalves, he's going to cause the case to go south.
Speaker 1: He's going to be the reason why the police don't
Speaker 1: find anybody. I say, that's ridiculous. This is a grieving father,
Speaker 1: and this is somebody who is demanding justice and demanding
Speaker 1: answers for the murder of his daughter. Now, you could
Speaker 1: have whatever opinion you want about him saying whatever he's saying,
Speaker 1: but to try and act like he's going to be
Speaker 1: somebody who's an impediment in the case. That's just crazy.
Speaker 1: The cops aren't giving him any information. It's not like
Speaker 1: they're letting him know what they're doing. He's not an
Speaker 1: official investigating this case. He's a grieving father that's demanding
Speaker 1: answers and accountability, and people who don't understand that. I
Speaker 1: really don't know what to say to you. Try to
Speaker 1: put yourself in his shoes. Today's article is from Fox
Speaker 1: News headline Idaho murders. Father of slain victim says she
Speaker 1: had big open wounds and calls the police cowards, and
Speaker 1: those are some pretty strong words. There's no doubt about it.
Speaker 1: Mister Gonsalves has some pretty strong opinions about how this
Speaker 1: investigation's going. And if it was me in his position,
Speaker 1: I've said it before, he's handling this with a lot
Speaker 1: more grace than I know I would. I have a
Speaker 1: degree in ignorance when the time is called for, and
Speaker 1: I will go absolutely off the handle. So the way
Speaker 1: he's handling it and this commentary, even though a bit
Speaker 1: of it is harsh, is a lot better than I
Speaker 1: would be handling it, I promise you. Four weeks have
Speaker 1: passed since the stunning quadruple homicide and Moscow, Idaho police
Speaker 1: have yet to name a suspect. This article was authored
Speaker 1: by Rebecca Rosenberg. The father of slain University Idaho's student
Speaker 1: Kaylee Gonsalves told Fox News Digital that the victims had big,
Speaker 1: open gouges that were clearly the work of a sadistic
Speaker 1: male and called police cowards for not sharing that with
Speaker 1: the public. And look, I get it, there is a
Speaker 1: psychopath on the loose. Now I'm trying to be you know, understanding. Obviously,
Speaker 1: the investigation has all kinds of twists and turns that
Speaker 1: it's undergoing behind the scenes, and they can't divulge what
Speaker 1: they're up to to the public because that would, you know,
Speaker 1: jeopardize a prosecution later on. And that should be the
Speaker 1: end result and the goal that everybody's looking for. But
Speaker 1: at the same time, they have to walk the line.
Speaker 1: And if there's a psychopath on the loose, don't you
Speaker 1: think you should profile that person? Don't you think that
Speaker 1: you should let the community know that this is the
Speaker 1: kind of person we're looking for, Stephen Gonsalvez said. He
Speaker 1: asked the coroner, Kathy Mabbitt how many times the victims
Speaker 1: were stabbed. She says, sir, I don't think stab is
Speaker 1: the right word. It was like tears, like this was
Speaker 1: a strong weapon, not like a stab, he told Fox
Speaker 1: News Digital. Now I won't go too much into that.
Speaker 1: I'll let you use your own imagination, but it sounds
Speaker 1: very brutal and much different than just a stab. If
Speaker 1: you will, she said, these were very big, open gouges.
Speaker 1: She said, it was quick. These weren't something where you
Speaker 1: were going to be able to call nine to one one.
Speaker 1: They were not going to slowly bleed out, he said.
Speaker 1: So basically what he's saying there is the wounds were
Speaker 1: so severe that even a call the nine to one
Speaker 1: one wouldn't have saved these kids. So whoever did this
Speaker 1: did it with utter violence and no regard for human life.
Speaker 1: We're dealing with a straight up psychopath. Now. I won't
Speaker 1: even begin to try and speculate who that psychopath is.
Speaker 1: I have no idea. But anyone who tries to convince
Speaker 1: me that the person we're looking for, or the persons
Speaker 1: we're looking for isn't capable of doing this again, well
Speaker 1: I'll just straight up say it. I don't believe you.
Speaker 1: Because if you can go into a house and kill
Speaker 1: four people in cold blood while they sleep in their beds.
Speaker 1: You are more than capable of doing it again, and honestly,
Speaker 1: the likelihood that it happens again is pretty high. Now,
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that it will be a quadruple homicide,
Speaker 1: but if somebody kills four people and they don't get
Speaker 1: caught for it, do you really think that they're never
Speaker 1: going to kill again. Kaylee Gonsalves, her best friend Madison Mogan,
Speaker 1: Xana Kernodle, and her boyfriend Ethan Chapin were slaughtered in
Speaker 1: the early morning hours of November thirteenth in a rental
Speaker 1: home near the campus. Moscow police working with the FBI
Speaker 1: and Idaho State Police have yet to publicly name of
Speaker 1: suspect or recover the fixed blade knife they believe was
Speaker 1: used in the horrific attack that has left the small
Speaker 1: college town reeling from grief, and not only that, the
Speaker 1: entire town is on edge. Nobody knows if this killer
Speaker 1: is still in the community, if this killer is left,
Speaker 1: or if and when they'll strike it again. Gonsalves said
Speaker 1: his daughter's injuries definitely did not match Mogan's wounds. They
Speaker 1: may have individually died from the exact same thing being stabbed,
Speaker 1: but there are more details, he added, they're not even
Speaker 1: close to matching. The knife slashed open Kaylee gonsolved his
Speaker 1: liver and lungs. He said, So again, is it a
Speaker 1: targeted attack that was aimed at Kaylee? And the way
Speaker 1: the investigators go through that and figure that out is
Speaker 1: if there's overkill. So if her body, her remains not
Speaker 1: to be too gross grossier, folks, but if her remains
Speaker 1: were damaged more, if you will, than one of the
Speaker 1: other kids or the other kids, then that would lead
Speaker 1: the investigators to believe that Kaylee might have been the target.
Speaker 1: And to hear that it's slashed open her liver and lungs.
Speaker 1: That is some gesome, gruesome stuff, folks. And the power
Speaker 1: that it would take to do that. Think about that
Speaker 1: for a minute. It is not easy to cut through
Speaker 1: even a steak. You have a human being here, and
Speaker 1: it was with so much violence that it cut her
Speaker 1: spleen and her lung I mean, her liver and her lungs.
Speaker 1: The grieving father paid for a copy of his daughter's
Speaker 1: death certificate, which included some of the details of her injuries,
Speaker 1: but he doesn't know whether his daughter or Mogan were
Speaker 1: the targets. I have my own suspicions. He said he
Speaker 1: had to pay for the death certificate. They wouldn't just
Speaker 1: piece him off one real quick. I mean, it's bad
Speaker 1: enough you're grieving that your daughter has just been murdered.
Speaker 1: They can't give you the death certificate on the arm.
Speaker 1: His daughter and Mogan were ambushed in their sleep and
Speaker 1: found in the same bed. According to the coroner. Gonsalves
Speaker 1: surmised that they died in Mogan's bedroom on the third
Speaker 1: floor because there are photos of Kaylee's room with no
Speaker 1: blood on the bed. Now, obviously mister Gonsalves has had
Speaker 1: access to some stuff that the public hasn't seen, but
Speaker 1: it's none of the stuff that would move in investigation forward. Instead,
Speaker 1: the information he has is limited to what he could
Speaker 1: ascertain for himself via the information he was told and
Speaker 1: the coroner's report. So it's not like the police are
Speaker 1: running things by mister Gonsalves before they go and conduct
Speaker 1: their investigation. So that's why I say I find it
Speaker 1: laughable that anyone would think that mister Gonsalves is going
Speaker 1: to be an impediment here. I have to tell you
Speaker 1: this is what I would expect from most fathers if
Speaker 1: they had a murdered daughter and they weren't getting any answers.
Speaker 1: He added that the investigators didn't obscure the windows in
Speaker 1: his daughter's room like they did for the other victims.
Speaker 1: Although the coroner told Gonsalves that the victims died quickly
Speaker 1: and did not suffer, he said he's not convinced. Kernodle,
Speaker 1: who had defensive wounds, and Chapin were found on the
Speaker 1: second floor of the eleven twenty two King Road. It
Speaker 1: was a hell of a battle going on down there,
Speaker 1: from what the coroner told us. Gonsalves said, So that's interesting, right,
Speaker 1: A hell of a battle going on down there. So
Speaker 1: did Ethan wake up and fight back, And did him
Speaker 1: fighting back lead to the killer or killers leaving and
Speaker 1: not going after the girls downstairs? Again speculation on my part,
Speaker 1: But if Ethan was fighting back like mister Gonsalvas is
Speaker 1: saying here, and Xana was fighting back, that would lead
Speaker 1: me to believe that the killer would probably want to
Speaker 1: get out of Dodge at that point. Mabbitt, when reached
Speaker 1: by phone, declined to comment on the information she disclosed
Speaker 1: to Gonsalvis. The coroner told him that the perpetrator was
Speaker 1: a strong individual, but police have yet to identify the
Speaker 1: suspects gender. I got outraged by them not just coming
Speaker 1: out and saying this was a woman or a man,
Speaker 1: because they should know by the amount of strength it
Speaker 1: took to deliver the injuries. He said, They're just being cowards.
Speaker 1: There are girls walking around the street right now that
Speaker 1: deserve to know. They should be looking out for a sedist.
Speaker 1: That certainly sounds like the proper person fitting a profile here.
Speaker 1: With the little bit of information we have, I highly
Speaker 1: doubt that it was a female who did this. Police
Speaker 1: said in a statement that they will not comment on
Speaker 1: or release specific details of the crime. It is what
Speaker 1: we must do to preserve the integrity of the investigation,
Speaker 1: said Robbie Johnson, public information officer for the Moscow Police Department.
Speaker 1: We want more than an arrest, We want justice. It
Speaker 1: takes time to do it right. So this is interesting.
Speaker 1: Now they have a public information officer should have done
Speaker 1: this from the beginning, if you remember, going back to
Speaker 1: the very start, That's what I said. Have one person
Speaker 1: dealing with all of the messaging. That way, you don't
Speaker 1: have all of the hiccups and stepping on your dick
Speaker 1: along the way. Johnson said police are encouraging good safety
Speaker 1: practices in general and are not focusing on a specific
Speaker 1: threat to the community. Now, that's an interesting statement, and
Speaker 1: if you unpack it, it leads us to believe that
Speaker 1: the police they don't think that the person who did
Speaker 1: this is a threat to the community. Well, I'd love
Speaker 1: to know why they think that. And perhaps if they
Speaker 1: would just tell people why they think that, then maybe
Speaker 1: some of the questions that are being fired at them
Speaker 1: on a regular basis about this topic would come to
Speaker 1: an end. But instead we continue to get statements with
Speaker 1: no context or clarity from the investigators. The University of
Speaker 1: Idaho's commencement ceremony, held on Saturday, was somber rather than celebratory,
Speaker 1: as the mysterious murders continue to cast a shadow over
Speaker 1: the small town. A moment of silence was held for
Speaker 1: the victims, two of whom were slated to graduate. So
Speaker 1: Steve gonsalves, folks, he's taking the gloves off and he's
Speaker 1: going hard in the pain. Here. He wants answers, and
Speaker 1: he wants to find the person who is responsible for
Speaker 1: killing his daughter. And I know that there's people that
Speaker 1: are going to criticize him and have a lot to
Speaker 1: say about his commentary, but I'm not one of those people.
Speaker 1: I think that a father who is grieving for his
Speaker 1: daughter should be given the room to lash out, should
Speaker 1: be given the room to have some commentary when we're
Speaker 1: talking about a month and still no answers, still nobody
Speaker 1: in custody. So I get why mister Gonsalvez is fired up.
Speaker 1: But at the same time, on the flip side of that,
Speaker 1: I understand why the investigators are playing it so close
Speaker 1: to their vest. But they have to find that happy medium.
Speaker 1: They have to walk that fine line, and they have
Speaker 1: to add some context to some of these statements that
Speaker 1: they make or they're going to open themselves up for
Speaker 1: a lot more criticism. All Right, folks, that's going to
Speaker 1: do it for this one. If you'd like to contact me,
Speaker 1: you can do that at Bobby Kapuci at ProtonMail dot com.
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Speaker 1: what's up everyone, and welcome back to the program. Hope
Speaker 1: everybody's having a great start to their Saturday morning out there,
Speaker 1: and hopefully you all had a fantastic week as well. Today,
Speaker 1: we're gonna dive right back into some of the headlines
Speaker 1: that we might have missed from overnight and get caught
Speaker 1: up on where things currently stand as of this morning.
Speaker 1: And to do that, once again, we're gonna use the
Speaker 1: Independent headline Idaho murders. Store manager says victim complained of
Speaker 1: stalker as police scour video. Moscow police announced weeks ago
Speaker 1: that they had looked extensively at reports that college student
Speaker 1: Gonsolvis had a stalker, but we're unable to link those
Speaker 1: reports to the murders. Well, this vape store owner, he's
Speaker 1: saying that he knew about it. How is it that
Speaker 1: some Rando vape store owner knows that Kaylee has a
Speaker 1: stalker but the police aren't able to put that together? Yet?
Speaker 1: Something does ad up, folks. I mean, you would think
Speaker 1: that if Rando knows about this stalker and they're all
Speaker 1: traveling in a pack because they're trying to protect their friend,
Speaker 1: as he says in the interview here, Well wouldn't that
Speaker 1: lead you to believe as a police officer that there
Speaker 1: might be a little something something going on here. Then
Speaker 1: we have the police who say they've looked into all
Speaker 1: of this and they can't substantiate a stalker one way
Speaker 1: or the other. So once again, just more confusion. It
Speaker 1: seems like there's never any answers here, only more questions.
Speaker 1: This article was authored by Rachel Sharp, Andrea Blanco, and
Speaker 1: Schweta Sharma. The manager of a vape shop in Moscow
Speaker 1: has said that Kaylee Gonsalves voiced fears about a potential
Speaker 1: stalker before she was killed. The man told NewsNation that
Speaker 1: Gonsalves in Madison Mogan had visited his business about three
Speaker 1: weeks before they were killed, along with fellow US University
Speaker 1: of Idaho students Xana Kernodle and Ethan Chapin inside the
Speaker 1: young woman's off campus rental home on the thirteenth of November.
Speaker 1: The manager said that Gonsalves and Mogan would always come
Speaker 1: with two other girls, and that the last time they
Speaker 1: had been at the store, he pointed out that was
Speaker 1: likely because they were trying to stay safe. One of
Speaker 1: them more or less openly says, oh, yeah, we've had
Speaker 1: one of our friends be stocked before, So that is
Speaker 1: why we travel in a group like this, the man said,
Speaker 1: adding that Mogan was who voiced the concerns while she
Speaker 1: motioned to Gonsalves. Now we know that there's been a
Speaker 1: whole lot of talk about Kaylee having a stalker. Not
Speaker 1: only her parents have talked about that, but the investigation
Speaker 1: itself has delved into that realm as well. But according
Speaker 1: to public reports and what the investigators have released publicly,
Speaker 1: they haven't really on earthed anything that would lead them
Speaker 1: to believe that there's a stalker involved here. Then we
Speaker 1: get this counter narrative from vape shop guy, and who
Speaker 1: the hell knows what's going on. Moscow Police announced weeks
Speaker 1: ago that they had looked extensively at reports that Gonsalves
Speaker 1: had a stalker, but were unable to link those reports
Speaker 1: to the murders. The department tracked down two men involved
Speaker 1: in one of those incidents and said that they were
Speaker 1: not in any way connected to the stabbings. And those
Speaker 1: were the two dudes that were allegedly out there trolling
Speaker 1: for some girls. You know, dudes out there looking to
Speaker 1: maybe meet some girls to hang out with later on,
Speaker 1: come back to the pad for a kickback, whatever it
Speaker 1: might be. I know a lot of you out there
Speaker 1: went to college, or hell, you didn't even have to
Speaker 1: go to college for that to be the case. So
Speaker 1: police looked into those two dudes, found out that they
Speaker 1: had nothing to do with it. They weren't stalkers. They
Speaker 1: were just someone who you know, ran into the girls
Speaker 1: that day at that establishment, at least according to the
Speaker 1: police narrative. It is since emerged that the department's got
Speaker 1: to twenty four mile radius for footage from the hours
Speaker 1: preceding the killings and immediately afterwards. Fox News Digital reported
Speaker 1: and we talked about that yesterday. I did an episode
Speaker 1: on that. I found that to be pretty interesting and
Speaker 1: a pretty important fact because it shows that they're expanding
Speaker 1: the scope of their investigation. Now I'm not trying to
Speaker 1: speculate too much here, but does that mean that they
Speaker 1: don't have much to go on from Moscow? And now
Speaker 1: with expanding it outside of the city, well, that opens
Speaker 1: up all kinds of possibilities for who and where this
Speaker 1: person could be. If they've already got twenty two thousand
Speaker 1: tips about a Hondai a launtra imagine if this person
Speaker 1: is no longer in the area of Moscow. How many
Speaker 1: more Hondai A Launtras there are in the whole country.
Speaker 1: Moscow police said they are sorting through twenty two thousand
Speaker 1: registered twenty and eleven through twenty and thirteen Hondai A
Speaker 1: launtrast car was seen near the home of the murders
Speaker 1: around the time of the attack, Police said, nearly five
Speaker 1: weeks after the students were killed, authorities have not named
Speaker 1: a suspect or motive, found the murder weapon, or produced
Speaker 1: a criminal profile of the potential killer. Now, if this
Speaker 1: is the car, say of the suspect, Let's remember that
Speaker 1: the FBI and the investigators have a lot of tools
Speaker 1: at their fingertips to help track people down like this.
Speaker 1: This is how they nailed the BTK killer Dennis Rader
Speaker 1: the black jeep and I believe it was like a
Speaker 1: home depot or something like that. They caught the surveillance
Speaker 1: footage and then they had this FBI analyst who was
Speaker 1: able to track it all down. So if they can
Speaker 1: get a bead on the Hondai A Launtra, that could
Speaker 1: certainly lead them to finding out who owns it. If
Speaker 1: it is a registered vehicle that somebody owns, we have
Speaker 1: to keep in mind that it might be a stolen vehicle. Again,
Speaker 1: for me, I'm pretty agnostic about everything because we don't
Speaker 1: have all of the facts presented to us. So I
Speaker 1: don't get pigeon and say to myself, oh, this is it,
Speaker 1: this is what it is. I wait for the evidence
Speaker 1: to be presented and then we go from there. Unsolved
Speaker 1: deaths are prompting rumors, Idaho State Police troopers says. Online
Speaker 1: forums with thousands of members are full of people speculating
Speaker 1: about possible motives, doxing the victim's friends and acquaintances, and
Speaker 1: even outright labeling some people as murderers. That's a stupid
Speaker 1: thing to do, and anyone engaging in that is being ridiculous.
Speaker 1: You shouldn't be naming people you don't know the other stuff, however,
Speaker 1: speculation online discussions, the police are missing the boat here.
Speaker 1: They need to focus on what's important, like finding that
Speaker 1: Hondai lantra and who owns it. People are gonna do
Speaker 1: on the internet. What people are gonna do on the internet.
Speaker 1: There's no changing that. There's no stopping that. And if
Speaker 1: you focus resources on that, well you're taking resources away
Speaker 1: from the investigation itself. Now, if somebody's being doxed or
Speaker 1: somebody's being harassed, that's a different story, and anyone in
Speaker 1: engaging in that should have to pay the price. Right
Speaker 1: If there's a criminal penalty for what you're doing, well
Speaker 1: guess what you earned it. But out here talking about
Speaker 1: people speculating or people having conversations about what went down,
Speaker 1: what do they think is gonna happen. Everybody's just gonna
Speaker 1: clam up. Nobody's gonna talk about it. Oh, you can't
Speaker 1: talk about this case with your family around the dinner table.
Speaker 1: Pretty ridiculous. So why don't they just focus on the
Speaker 1: investigation itself instead of looking the place? Blame on internet forums.
Speaker 1: People are going down these rabbit holes and they're hyper
Speaker 1: focusing on one individual and attacking that individual. Tana Davis,
Speaker 1: an Idaho State Police trooper who is helping the Moscow
Speaker 1: Police Department handle the influx of media interview requests, told
Speaker 1: the Associated Press, you're attacking most likely an innocent person. Oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: there's no doubt there. She's not wrong about that. And
Speaker 1: I've been very adamant from the beginning anyone engaging in
Speaker 1: that you're going about it the wrong way. You can
Speaker 1: have your ideas, and you can have your speculation, but
Speaker 1: if you're reaching out to anybody who's involved in this
Speaker 1: story in any capacity, then you're losing the script and
Speaker 1: you've certainly lost the plot. You're not involved in the case.
Speaker 1: Don't insert yourself into it. You're not going to break
Speaker 1: it from your living room. You're not going to break
Speaker 1: it from the basement. And all you're going to do
Speaker 1: is cause yourself some grief if you're out here docs
Speaker 1: and people and harassing people. Moscow store manager says Idaho
Speaker 1: murder victims shared fears about a potential stalker, and you
Speaker 1: see this is confusing for me too. So they're sharing
Speaker 1: their fears about a stalker with the vape store manager,
Speaker 1: but her sisters and her family members, they're not hip
Speaker 1: to it. A store manager in Moscow, Idaho, has said
Speaker 1: that Kaylee gonsolves voice fears about a potential stalker before
Speaker 1: she and three other students were killed. The man told
Speaker 1: News Nation that Gonsalvez and Madison Mogan had visited his
Speaker 1: business about three weeks before they were killed, along with
Speaker 1: fellow University of Idaho students Xana Kernodle and Ethan Chapin.
Speaker 1: Inside the Young woman's off campus rental home on the
Speaker 1: thirteenth of November. So this vape shop owner says that
Speaker 1: these girls came in and they were scared, right, They
Speaker 1: said that they traveled in a pack because they have
Speaker 1: a stalker, because somebody was, you know, threatening them or whatever.
Speaker 1: But my question is if the vape shop owner knew
Speaker 1: nobody else, knew nobody close to them, none of their
Speaker 1: sorority sisters, nobody at the fraternity house over at Sigma Kai.
Speaker 1: So it's just very confusing how a vape shop owner
Speaker 1: has all of this intimate knowledge about what's going on
Speaker 1: in their friend circle, in their group, and people close
Speaker 1: to them they're not hip to it. Something's not registering
Speaker 1: with me, or maybe my dumbass is just missing something.
Speaker 1: Moscow police scoured a twenty four mile radius for video
Speaker 1: in relation to university stabbings. Police investigating the murder of
Speaker 1: four University of Idaho students scoured a twenty four mile
Speaker 1: radius for surveillance footage from the night of the stabbings.
Speaker 1: Moscow investigators traveled to the nearby towns of Troy and
Speaker 1: Kendrick for the footage that could help in the investigation
Speaker 1: into the slayings of Kaylee Gonsalvias, Madison Mogan, Xana Kernodle,
Speaker 1: and Ethan Chapin, according to a Fox News Digital report. Now,
Speaker 1: we talked about this yesterday, and you would think that
Speaker 1: every single business in the vicinity that has a camera
Speaker 1: would have been visited by the investigators and that surveillance
Speaker 1: footage would have been turned over or asked for. But
Speaker 1: it looks like they're going on the honor system here
Speaker 1: and just asking businesses to come forward on their own
Speaker 1: and turn this footage. And while some, maybe the majority'll
Speaker 1: do that, you know there's going to be some that
Speaker 1: slipped through the cracks, So a little bit of redundancy
Speaker 1: can't hurt, right, Ask for them to give you the
Speaker 1: video footage and then send an investigator over there to
Speaker 1: try and retrieve it. But it looks like they're just
Speaker 1: asking for people to come forward. Victim's mother says she
Speaker 1: learned about Hondai, a Lantra development through press release, and
Speaker 1: that straight garbage. The family should be kept in the loop,
Speaker 1: especially if something's coming out in the press. Let the
Speaker 1: families know first they can get their minds wrapped around
Speaker 1: it and be prepared for all of the questions that
Speaker 1: are going to come their way. Christy Gonsalves, who's twenty
Speaker 1: one year old daughter, Kaylee Gonsalves, was stabbed to death
Speaker 1: in her off campus rental home in Moscow on the
Speaker 1: thirteenth of November, appeared on The Today Show on Thursday
Speaker 1: and spoke of her family being left in the dark
Speaker 1: as her daughter's killer remains at large, and I hope
Speaker 1: a lot of this is going to change now with
Speaker 1: the lawyer that they brought on board, Shannon Gray, because
Speaker 1: having a liaison should take a lot of the pressure
Speaker 1: off of the parents. Miss Gonsalves raised issues with the
Speaker 1: manner in which families have been kept in the loop,
Speaker 1: revealing that she learned about the largest recent development the
Speaker 1: same time as the general public. Last week, police issued
Speaker 1: a statement seeking help tracking down the occupant or occupants
Speaker 1: of a white Hondai Lantra that was seen near the
Speaker 1: crime scene around the time of the killings. Investigators said
Speaker 1: the occupants could have information about the crime. Miss Gonsalves
Speaker 1: said she didn't know authorities were seeking that vehicle until
Speaker 1: reading that press release. The grieving mother added that despite
Speaker 1: miscommunication problems between law enforcement and the victims' families, the
Speaker 1: Gonsalves support investigators work in the probe. And this is
Speaker 1: a good thing, right. We talked about this yesterday a
Speaker 1: little bit. It's important that the families feel like they're
Speaker 1: in the loop, like they feel like they're part of it,
Speaker 1: even if they're not really part of it. You have
Speaker 1: to make them feel like that because they want to
Speaker 1: do something here. They don't want to be stuck in neutral.
Speaker 1: They want to feel like they're helping move the ball
Speaker 1: forward to get justice for their loved one. And I
Speaker 1: don't think anyone can fault them for that, right, So,
Speaker 1: as the police, you got to walk that thin line.
Speaker 1: Here's what we can give you, here's what we can't
Speaker 1: give you, and this is why. And it looks like
Speaker 1: up to this point that hasn't been happening. Now though
Speaker 1: with the lawyer, let's hope that that changes and there
Speaker 1: is a lot more communication here in a manner that
Speaker 1: isn't confusing, because the families they don't need any extra stress, right,
Speaker 1: They got enough going on. So let's hope that with
Speaker 1: the new developments that we see a better pattern of
Speaker 1: communication start to emerge. All right, folks, Well that's going
Speaker 1: to do it for this one. That's where we currently
Speaker 1: stand as of this morning, no gigantic developments to discuss,
Speaker 1: but as soon as something else pops, as soon as
Speaker 1: we have more information, you know, it's going to be
Speaker 1: added to the catalog. All right, everybody, I hope you
Speaker 1: all enjoy your Saturday. That's gonna do it for this one.
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