Speaker 1: This is a story that's not for the faint of heart.
Speaker 1: This is a story with twists and turns that will
Speaker 1: not leave you happy with the end results. This is
Speaker 1: a story with unanswered questions, confusion, and utter shock. I
Speaker 1: strongly recommend you listen to this case and keep an
Speaker 1: open mind to every perspective and understand what you think
Speaker 1: you may know could be entirely wrong. This is the
Speaker 1: story of two year old Kayleie Anthony, how she died
Speaker 1: and her mother, Casey Anthony's involvement.
Speaker 2: Warning.
Speaker 1: The following podcast contains content and material intended format.
Speaker 2: Your audience. Listener discretion is advised.
Speaker 1: Hey, what's up.
Speaker 3: My name's Ben and I'm Nicole and you're listening to
Speaker 3: Wicked and Grim, a.
Speaker 1: True crime podcast. We're gonna do it.
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Speaker 3: Well, my lid's different. I think it's my lid's fault.
Speaker 3: Just hid it. I actually I am not very good
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Speaker 3: tying balloons.
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Speaker 1: Yeah we're we're definitely drinking it up. We got I've
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Speaker 3: And then I have the Peach Rosemary, which is at
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Speaker 1: However, I just want to give a shout out to
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Speaker 1: that I don't like Crossroads or I don't like Deadfall
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Speaker 1: just so happens to have this one that is like
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Speaker 3: Yeah, your favorite beer. So, but you drink a lot
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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, dead Fall.
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Speaker 3: I'll uh, I'll be.
Speaker 1: Making sure I drink them in future episodes too, so
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Speaker 1: the local, the local love. Yeah, well, there.
Speaker 3: Isn't really much for local that I will like drink
Speaker 3: because it's most like beer, right, but then this place
Speaker 3: has a different drink. Some usually like wine or like
Speaker 3: a cooler of sorts.
Speaker 1: Yeah, these are siders. So see, you said, what do
Speaker 1: we got to talk about today?
Speaker 3: We got lots and lots of juicy things. First of all, okay,
Speaker 3: this is cool. We got two pieces of mail from listeners,
Speaker 3: which is like unbelievable.
Speaker 1: Technically, I think we can say this is fan mail.
Speaker 1: I think I don't know. Can we say that?
Speaker 3: I don't know?
Speaker 1: Nah, I mean that they're more than just fans.
Speaker 3: But you know what I mean, friend mail, mail for friends.
Speaker 1: Mail from friends sounds weird. Yeah, it does. Almost sounds
Speaker 1: like like a sexual thing.
Speaker 3: It kind of does. So I'm moving on. But yeah,
Speaker 3: I don't have it. So Leah Page, Yeah she sent us.
Speaker 1: She sent us a awesome epic handmade Halloween scrap book
Speaker 1: with like.
Speaker 3: A handmade card and everything. It was like kind of awesome.
Speaker 1: Incredible work. So good jobs on that. That was ridiculously cool.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was so sweet.
Speaker 1: We'll put that to good use one hundred percent. And
Speaker 1: Michelle Canon sent us over some Harry Potter key chains
Speaker 1: from Universal with our names on it, yes and everything
Speaker 1: so cool.
Speaker 3: It's a later day Actually.
Speaker 1: Mine is actually not going on a keychain. It went
Speaker 1: on my backpack and the little front zipper. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: that's my everyday work backpack. It goes with me to
Speaker 1: work every day.
Speaker 3: Now. Yes, now it has your name on it, so
Speaker 3: no one can take it exactly.
Speaker 1: I'm like, bitch, that's my bag, hands off. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: don't know if anyone remembers King of the Hill if
Speaker 1: they ever watched it. I just reminded me of Bobby Hill.
Speaker 1: That's my purse, I don't know you, because he taught
Speaker 1: he was taking self defense lesson classes. But it was
Speaker 1: like he's like a thirteen year old kid. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: he was taking women's self defense classes. So he learned
Speaker 1: to shout that term that's my purse, I don't know you,
Speaker 1: and then kick the attacker in the balls. That's awesome,
Speaker 1: That's what it reminded me of. Oh, I want to
Speaker 1: talk about Obi Wan Kenobi the series. Okay, first off,
Speaker 1: everyone out there. You need to convince Nicole to watch
Speaker 1: this series with me, because she's a start.
Speaker 3: Thank goodness, what are you doing.
Speaker 1: I'm really trying to get you to love Star Wars,
Speaker 1: is what I'm trying to do. I haven't watched it yet,
Speaker 1: but I've been waiting for this series, like this particular series,
Speaker 1: for a long. Look.
Speaker 3: Hey, I can't remember I've already asked you this. But
Speaker 3: did I have to watch other things?
Speaker 1: I mean, you don't, but it helps.
Speaker 3: I did watch that one thing because I was into
Speaker 3: Baby Yoda.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you watched The Mandalorian.
Speaker 3: That was good. Actually, I was actually super into that.
Speaker 3: It was a good show, and I feel like it
Speaker 3: might have had to do a lot with Baby Yoda,
Speaker 3: but I'm unsure.
Speaker 1: Yeah, everyone went nuts for Baby Yoda, so cute, although
Speaker 1: it's technically not Yoda. It's not Baby Yoda. It's Grogu.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, just the same species. Yeah, okay. Yeah. We
Speaker 1: should actually go back to the patrons though, because both
Speaker 1: Michelle and Leah were patrons, and we should go back
Speaker 1: and thank our new patrons for this week.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, okay, yeah, let's do it.
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Speaker 1: of course thank you.
Speaker 3: So yeah, there you go.
Speaker 1: Should we get into the case, I think so? You
Speaker 1: ready for it?
Speaker 3: Yeah, because we're also recording a Patreon exclusive episode after this,
Speaker 3: that's right, which is super awesome.
Speaker 1: So we got to get to bed, so we got
Speaker 1: to make best of our time here.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so we got to record two and let's get
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Speaker 1: every last day of the month.
Speaker 3: Yeah. So they're literally getting two episodes tomorrow, which is
Speaker 3: kind of awesome.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it'll be a great day.
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 1: Okay, so let's do this. Our story is going to
Speaker 1: start on July fifteenth, two thousand and eight, in Orlando, Florida,
Speaker 1: with a nine one one phone call. So it starts
Speaker 1: with two year old Casey Anthony, who was reported missing
Speaker 1: by her grandmother Cindy Anthony. During the recorded call, she
Speaker 1: was frantic and audibly shook. She told a nine one
Speaker 1: one dispatcher that she had not seen her granddaughter for
Speaker 1: thirty one days and her her daughter, Casey Anthony, had
Speaker 1: just admitted to the fact that someone had taken her.
Speaker 1: Oh boy, yes. So after a moment on the call,
Speaker 1: Cindy hands the phone over to her daughter, Casey, And
Speaker 1: it's a bit odd. The tone in her voice was
Speaker 1: much different than her mother's when talking to the nine
Speaker 1: one one dispatcher. Okay, so I've got a little insert
Speaker 1: from that nine one one call here, I'm gonna play
Speaker 1: for you guys. I called her a little bit good
Speaker 1: at SIF.
Speaker 2: I found that my grandfather has some like she hasn't
Speaker 2: listened from. We're talking about it for you, little girl. Oh,
Speaker 2: my daughter finally admitted the baby.
Speaker 1: I need to find her.
Speaker 2: Your daughter admitted that your the baby is. Where did
Speaker 2: you sort of took her once?
Speaker 3: To go?
Speaker 2: My daughter's been looking for I told you my daughter
Speaker 2: was no sing for a month.
Speaker 1: I just found her today that.
Speaker 2: I can't find my granddaughter. She just admitted to me
Speaker 2: that she's been trying to find her herself. There's something wrong.
Speaker 2: I found my daughter's car today and it's round like
Speaker 2: her dead daughter in their own car.
Speaker 3: Okay. What is the three year old's name?
Speaker 2: Kaylee se air Y l e e. Anthony Hailey Anthony? Yeah?
Speaker 2: How long has she been missing for? I have not
Speaker 2: seen her since the seventh of June?
Speaker 3: Is your daughter there? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Can I speak with her?
Speaker 3: Okay?
Speaker 2: They want to trust you. Hello, Hello, Yeah, can you
Speaker 2: tell me what's going on a little bit? I'm sorry,
Speaker 2: can you tell me a little bit?
Speaker 3: What's going on?
Speaker 2: And my daughter's been missing for the last one day? Yeah?
Speaker 1: And you know who ever? I know who?
Speaker 2: After I've tried to contact her, I actually received a
Speaker 2: phone call today now from a number of that is
Speaker 2: no longer in service. I did get to speak to
Speaker 2: my daughter for about a moment, about a minute, to
Speaker 2: have her do you have a name? Her name is
Speaker 2: ben Ya Fernanda has been lallas.
Speaker 3: Who is that baby? Said?
Speaker 2: She's been my nanny for about a year and a half,
Speaker 2: almost two years. Why are you calling now? Why didn't
Speaker 2: you call it any one days ago? I've been looking
Speaker 2: for her and have gone through other resources to try
Speaker 2: to find her, which was stupid. I think the officers
Speaker 2: are here, the opposite are there.
Speaker 1: Yes, So that's the nine one one call to report
Speaker 1: the little girl missing.
Speaker 3: Wow, that was intense.
Speaker 1: It was what do you take away from that call?
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, there was so much because like, yeah,
Speaker 3: the grandma, it was just like frantic, and it almost
Speaker 3: just sounded like the mom had like gone through some
Speaker 3: shit as well or something, because like the mom said
Speaker 3: that the grandma sorry, had said that the mom was
Speaker 3: also like missing too. Kind of.
Speaker 1: Yes, So how it played out is we'll touch on
Speaker 1: it here in a little bit. But essentially, the daughter
Speaker 1: had been missing for these days with the granddaughter, but
Speaker 1: there was communication with the daughter to the grand grandmother. Okay,
Speaker 1: so finally the daughter was home and admitted the granddaughter was.
Speaker 3: Missing and she was searching for her this whole time, yes,
Speaker 3: or trying to get her from the babysitter.
Speaker 1: Yes, that's what she does.
Speaker 3: So wild I'm just very intrigued.
Speaker 1: Well, the some of the conversation though that we just
Speaker 1: talked about, it doesn't detail everything. There are actually a
Speaker 1: total of three nine to one one calls that were
Speaker 1: made in total that began to unravel this whole story. Okay,
Speaker 1: First and foremost, it describes how two year old Kayley
Speaker 1: was had taken by her babysitter. Her mother, Casey, said
Speaker 1: that it happened thirty one days ago, and she's been
Speaker 1: trying to find her daughter on her own. Okay. Now,
Speaker 1: Casey's mom, however, Kaylee's grandmother is seriously concerned of the
Speaker 1: dire situation. We can clearly hear that in her voice,
Speaker 1: much more so by the sounds of it than Casey.
Speaker 1: Now we didn't hear in that nine on one call
Speaker 1: was Cindy's car was impounded. Her daughter had actually stolen
Speaker 1: that car from Cindy and had gone with Kaylee out
Speaker 1: for the past month, like we were just talking about.
Speaker 1: So both of Casey's parents ended up figuring out that
Speaker 1: the car was impounded and went to pick up her
Speaker 1: daughter or their daughter along with the car. And that's
Speaker 1: when they noted a strong smell of what we just
Speaker 1: heard in the nine on one call, described by Cindy
Speaker 1: as the smell of a dead body coming from the car. Now,
Speaker 1: I don't have an audio clip from this other.
Speaker 3: Nine I must have missed some shit there because I
Speaker 3: don't even remember the smell of Cindy says, it was
Speaker 3: hard to understand. It was a bit hard to It
Speaker 3: wasn't yeah.
Speaker 1: But Cindy in there. One of the things she said
Speaker 1: was she's calling for help. She said, I need someone here.
Speaker 1: I just picked up my daughter in the car. Smells
Speaker 1: like a dead body. Wow. So she says that in
Speaker 1: the clip, Holy heck. So the other nine one one calls.
Speaker 1: I don't have audio clips from, but I do have
Speaker 1: a transcript, and I do have an insert here I'm
Speaker 1: going to talk about and this is from one of
Speaker 1: the prior nine one one calls. So the nine on
Speaker 1: one operator says, and this is between Cindy, the grandmother
Speaker 1: and the nine on one operator. So the operator says, Okay,
Speaker 1: what did the person do that you need arrested, Cindy says,
Speaker 1: my daughter. Nine on one operator for what? Cindy for
Speaker 1: stealing an auto and stealing money. I already spoke to
Speaker 1: someone who said they would patch me through to Orlando
Speaker 1: Sheriff's Department and have a deputy here. I was in
Speaker 1: the car and I was going to drive her to
Speaker 1: the police station. And no one will, no one is open.
Speaker 1: They said they would bring a deputy to my home
Speaker 1: when I got home to call them nine on one operator.
Speaker 1: So she stole your vehicle, Cindy, Yes, nine on one operator.
Speaker 1: When did she do that, Cindy on the thirtieth in
Speaker 1: brackets of June. She didn't say June, but that's what
Speaker 1: she's referencing. I got it back from the impound. I'd
Speaker 1: like to speak to an officer. Can someone come to
Speaker 1: my house? So she's trying to get her daughter arrested,
Speaker 1: and then in the next nine and one call when
Speaker 1: she figures out the granddaughter's missing, she's talking about the
Speaker 1: smell of a dead body, granddaughter missing and these thefts.
Speaker 3: Oh okay, because there was different dates in there and stuff,
Speaker 3: But I guess that doesn't really matter. It was because
Speaker 3: she had seen her granddaughter early, earlier on or whatever.
Speaker 1: Yes, Cindy had seen her granddaughter about a month ago.
Speaker 1: That was the last time she saw her grandfather. That
Speaker 1: was the last time she seen her daughter. But there
Speaker 1: was communication with her daughter between then. Right.
Speaker 3: Why was the police station closed? Are they closed? Sometimes?
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 3: I didn't think that they would be, but maybe they are.
Speaker 3: I have no idea.
Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, anyways, maybe just yeah, emergency numbers or something
Speaker 1: would be what you contact. Then I'm not certain.
Speaker 3: And also like this is just going to terrify parents
Speaker 3: because some parents probably have issues leaving their kids with
Speaker 3: a babysitter. Yeah, noa, I know I would. I can't
Speaker 3: even leave my dog with like a dog sitter without
Speaker 3: having issues.
Speaker 1: Now that aside though the whole dog sitting babysitting thing,
Speaker 1: I do know. This is a whole overload of information
Speaker 1: we've gone over so far. This is like jumping in
Speaker 1: head first. But the strangest thing about it all seems
Speaker 1: to be why Casey was so nonchalant about it. Why
Speaker 1: would she leave her daughter missing for thirty one days
Speaker 1: and think she could take care of it on her
Speaker 1: own without alerting authorities or even just other family members.
Speaker 3: Yeah you think maybe a day, but not a whole momth.
Speaker 1: So, as you hear through police or sorry, as you heard,
Speaker 1: police had arrived to the scene to investigate, and questioning
Speaker 1: had begun, and as we all know, family members are
Speaker 1: usually the first suspects in any case. They are the
Speaker 1: ones who are the closest with victims, and even if
Speaker 1: they aren't involved, they can at least provide authorities with
Speaker 1: extremely important information regarding important locations, people of interest, strange occurrences,
Speaker 1: and any other significant events or information that can help
Speaker 1: finding the individuals or solving the case. So police started
Speaker 1: questioning Casey right out the bat, and they interviewed her
Speaker 1: as a witness fairly casually at start, and unbeknownst to her,
Speaker 1: she wasn't under arrest, but she was under extreme scrutiny
Speaker 1: as a main witness currently.
Speaker 3: Right now, well that's generally how it goes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, yeah, one hundred percent. So, yeah, the police
Speaker 1: were questioning her regarding her story and ultimately regarding her lies.
Speaker 3: Oh boy, how old is she? Did we go over that?
Speaker 1: Actually I never did look up how old she was.
Speaker 3: I'm just so curious. She did sound very young.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she's a young mother. I would say, like late
Speaker 1: twenties to early thirties.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean she sounded okay, like okay, this
Speaker 3: Her voice sounded so kind of chill to me, which
Speaker 3: is like unexpected. So I was like, maybe she had
Speaker 3: gone through shit herself, or maybe she was just like
Speaker 3: I don't know, almost like in shock, shock or even
Speaker 3: like under the influence of something or I don't know.
Speaker 3: There was just like many things that were going through
Speaker 3: my brain.
Speaker 1: It's there's gonna be a lot of things going through
Speaker 1: your brain throughout this entire caset.
Speaker 3: It that way, Okay, Well, it's very sad that a
Speaker 3: child is involved here.
Speaker 1: It is so. Casey claimed that Kaylie's nanny, Zindaia Zenaida Zanada,
Speaker 1: is hyper Nata Sanata also known as Zanni Fernandez Gonzalez,
Speaker 1: who she met through a mutual friend, was the individual
Speaker 1: to take her daughter. Okay, Now, that mutual friend who
Speaker 1: she met Zeneida through, was by the name of Jeffrey
Speaker 1: Michael Hopkins. These two had previously met working at Nickelodeon
Speaker 1: in Universal Studios Theme Park Cool. Both had worked together
Speaker 1: cashtag dream job, hashtag dream job. Could you imagine all
Speaker 1: the concession snacks you'd.
Speaker 3: Get, Oh my gosh, I would, Or the butter beer, Yeah,
Speaker 3: That's what I'm gonna say. I would, but get one
Speaker 3: of those like daily one. Oh yeah, honestly one's good
Speaker 3: because remember we had some more than one one time
Speaker 3: and we got like sick.
Speaker 1: No, I'd be cutting coffee into that every day. I'd
Speaker 1: be like three four cups of coffee mixed with butter beer.
Speaker 1: Oh my guaranteed disgusting, and I would gain so much weight,
Speaker 1: but it'd be worth it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, worth it, oh gosh u.
Speaker 1: So regardless of by this time, Casey stated she sorry.
Speaker 1: Casey stated that Jeffrey hadn't worked there for the past
Speaker 1: nine or ten months and he had moved away to
Speaker 1: various different cities, kind of moving around. However, this would
Speaker 1: later be revealed as one of her lies. Later on
Speaker 1: in court, Jeffrey would talk or take the stand and
Speaker 1: go under oath describing how he worked at Universal in
Speaker 1: two thousand and two to two thousand and three and
Speaker 1: never worked with Casey at all, nor did he ever
Speaker 1: introduce her to anyone by the name of Zeneta Fernandez Gonzalez,
Speaker 1: and he never even moved away from the area, described
Speaker 1: as Casey either.
Speaker 3: What a weird lie because obviously they're going to ask.
Speaker 1: Him, yep. And it's not like she lied about one thing.
Speaker 1: She lied about every detail regarding him, like he doesn't
Speaker 1: even really know where.
Speaker 3: That's weird.
Speaker 1: They never worked together nothing, okay, so though they didn't
Speaker 1: know what just yet, Casey was lying through her teeth
Speaker 1: right to the investigator's face. And I do want to
Speaker 1: bring up a little bit of a quote here, because
Speaker 1: this is one of my favorite quotes and it's by
Speaker 1: Abraham Lincoln actually, so to quote him, No man has
Speaker 1: a good enough memory to be a successful liar. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and that is very much so true.
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, yeah, especially me my memory. Shit, there's
Speaker 3: no way I could get through a lie. I feel
Speaker 3: like it just wouldn't It just wouldn't happen.
Speaker 1: Well, the worst thing is it spirals because one lie
Speaker 1: leads to another to another to another, and you need
Speaker 1: to remember how.
Speaker 3: And then who you told what to and oh it's.
Speaker 1: Just like diston't so it's it's very much so true.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Now, during questioning, Casey tells the story of how her
Speaker 1: daughter went missing on June ninth. She said she dropped
Speaker 1: her daughter off to Zenaida to look after her while
Speaker 1: she went to work at Universal Studios, the same she
Speaker 1: had done for the past year or so. Now, after work,
Speaker 1: after her shift was over, she went back to pick
Speaker 1: her up, but nobody was home. She knocked on the
Speaker 1: door and there was no answer. She tried dialing Zanata's
Speaker 1: phone number, but it was now out of service.
Speaker 3: Oh god, okay, yeah, actually, at that point you would
Speaker 3: be phoning nine one. I feel like, yeah, kind of
Speaker 3: freaking out.
Speaker 1: I would I would do the same, but clearly she didn't. Now.
Speaker 1: One of Casey's alibis was one of her co workers
Speaker 1: by the name of Juliette Lewis. As it turns out,
Speaker 1: though Juliette Lewis doesn't even exist.
Speaker 3: Oh boy, okay, she.
Speaker 1: Claims she was an event coordinator alongside her at Universal Studios.
Speaker 1: Juliette Lewis not a real person. Wow. And of course,
Speaker 1: which police would soon find out.
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, they're gonna look at all this.
Speaker 1: So before they found out all these lies though, because
Speaker 1: this is only the same day as the missing report,
Speaker 1: or maybe even the next day, so before they figured
Speaker 1: all this out, they asked Casey if she could lead
Speaker 1: them to places of interest, you know, such as places
Speaker 1: like Zanada's baby or where she babysat, and of course
Speaker 1: Casey's workplace. So the very next day after the missing report,
Speaker 1: on July sixteenth, she took them to Universal Studios, where
Speaker 1: she led them through the park to her office where
Speaker 1: she worked. They walked through the busy places, through concession stands,
Speaker 1: and through the attractions, through the crowds and they went
Speaker 1: towards a long building at the end all the way
Speaker 1: at the end of the park. It was almost a
Speaker 1: twenty five minute walk. She led them through the park
Speaker 1: towards her office, where apparently she would turn around, face police,
Speaker 1: laugh and admit she doesn't actually even work there anymore.
Speaker 3: Oh okay, I was not expecting that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that one threw me for a fucking loop.
Speaker 3: How did they even get in and stuff? Then?
Speaker 1: Well, I mean it's police, an investigation.
Speaker 3: Oh, I guess.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so they're like, yeah, like we're doing an investigator.
Speaker 3: No matter what, they'd probably just be like, yeah, go in, yeah, wow, Okay,
Speaker 3: I was not expecting that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So she just let them on a wild goose
Speaker 1: chase and we're twenty five minutes? Yeah, Like, what what's
Speaker 1: the thought process you doing there?
Speaker 3: Maybe they should have got on a ride too, really
Speaker 3: just lived it.
Speaker 1: Off the Oh I think they went on the ride.
Speaker 1: The whole ride of this as a ride in itself,
Speaker 1: that's true. Yeah, But like I just can't understand like
Speaker 1: how like she was. She literally walked as far as
Speaker 1: she could, She went as far with this lie as
Speaker 1: she possibly could. At that gate, she knows she's going
Speaker 1: to get caught. Yeah, she still walked that twenty five
Speaker 1: minutes to the very last moment.
Speaker 3: HM, that's so interesting. I just yeah, it's very hard
Speaker 3: to comprehend.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So, of course this right away led to her
Speaker 1: immediate arrest on the spot, which from there she was
Speaker 1: officially out loud suspect number one.
Speaker 3: Oh no, yeah, not good.
Speaker 1: So from here Casey would undergo interrogation, questioning, and of course,
Speaker 1: eventually courtroom appearances, all while maintaining her innocence and that
Speaker 1: the nanny took her daughter. Now, while this was going on,
Speaker 1: the world was hearing all about this missing girl. Kaylee's
Speaker 1: even grace the cover of People's magazine on the issue
Speaker 1: of February ninth, two thousand and nine. Oh did it,
Speaker 1: hey did? Everyone wanted to find her, and her grandparents,
Speaker 1: Cindy and George Anthony, were at the center. They were
Speaker 1: doing interviews, putting up posters, printing out T shirts, anything
Speaker 1: they could do to help find their granddaughter and spread
Speaker 1: that word. Their hearts were clearly heavy, and they were
Speaker 1: wanting to bring her home.
Speaker 3: Oh that's so sad.
Speaker 1: Casey, however, almost seemed to have given up on her daughter.
Speaker 2: Why.
Speaker 3: I just don't understand I don't get it either. Well,
Speaker 3: she knows something.
Speaker 1: There's something there, whether it's maybe just in her heart
Speaker 1: she knew something was wrong and it couldn't be helped,
Speaker 1: or maybe she knows more than she's saying. Who knows,
Speaker 1: but there's something there that's different. While she was in prison,
Speaker 1: she was actually visited by her parents. They informed her
Speaker 1: about the progression of the search, what was going on,
Speaker 1: how far Keiley's name was being spread, But Casey almost
Speaker 1: didn't even seem to care. It's really hard to put
Speaker 1: into words unless the conversation turned to what she was
Speaker 1: doing and how she was doing behind bars. When the
Speaker 1: topic turned to her, it would almost always bring her
Speaker 1: to tears, like how she's doing, what she's going through,
Speaker 1: what she's eating, how she's keeping busy, how she misses
Speaker 1: her parents. But the moment it turned to a conversation
Speaker 1: about her daughter's disappearance, she was almost so nonchalant the
Speaker 1: tears would stop.
Speaker 3: Yeah, she's almost it's oh, how do you word this?
Speaker 3: But like push or it's like sheltering her brain what
Speaker 3: would be the word, Like making it so that it's
Speaker 3: so terrible that she's just like forcing it out of
Speaker 3: her mind. Almost like it's just not even in there.
Speaker 1: Okay, No, fair enough, she don't cutting that off? Yeah okay?
Speaker 3: Or or I almost like she might even have like
Speaker 3: some sort of like mental illness or something.
Speaker 1: Well, potentially and like honestly, since his case, psychiatrists and
Speaker 1: web slutes alike have actually pointed out her behavior being
Speaker 1: akin to a pathological liar, meaning she essentially can't help
Speaker 1: but lie, not necessarily having a reason or a rhyme
Speaker 1: to do thro but she just does.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know. I'm almost like thinking her mental
Speaker 3: health or something is suffering of sorts.
Speaker 1: So I don't want to confuse that not necessarily saying
Speaker 1: she's diagnosed with that that she is, but it's pointed
Speaker 1: out that it very much could be, and in fact,
Speaker 1: even if you look back on some of her earlier life,
Speaker 1: there is evidence to support how she could have become
Speaker 1: someone like that. For example, when she was going to
Speaker 1: post secondary, she got into the habit of skipping classes
Speaker 1: and going out partying a lot, so much so that
Speaker 1: she definitely did not make graduations. There was no way
Speaker 1: she was going to make it, so once her parents
Speaker 1: actually found out, Casey would lie to her parents, and
Speaker 1: she told him that the school must have messed up
Speaker 1: her attendance sheet and it was them who screwed up
Speaker 1: her graduation. It wasn't her fault, it was the school's fault.
Speaker 1: Her parents, for whatever reason, I don't know, maybe bless
Speaker 1: their little girls sort of situation, they believed her and
Speaker 1: to cover up her not graduating, they lied to their
Speaker 1: friends and family said she graduated anyway, even through her
Speaker 1: a great big grad party. Oh really yes?
Speaker 3: So wow?
Speaker 1: Almost supporting her lies? And who knows how far this
Speaker 1: goes into her childhood in her past. Who knows how
Speaker 1: much her lies have been supported as she grew up.
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, it was almost like they could do she
Speaker 3: could do no wrong in their their mind though, too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so who knows how deep that is?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Now sorry? Moving forward on December eleventh, two thousand and eight.
Speaker 1: It is unfortunate, but two year old Kaylee Anthony's remains
Speaker 1: would be found.
Speaker 3: Not till December? Is that what you're true?
Speaker 1: Two thousand and eight?
Speaker 3: Is that the same year though? Right?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: Is it? Now? I'm second guessing myself. Oh it is
Speaker 1: too okay? Yeah, so yeah, December of two thousand and eight,
Speaker 1: that's right?
Speaker 3: Okay, Still, that's like a long time. I didn't expect
Speaker 3: it to go on that long.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's quite a while, honestly.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Now I need to scroll backworth find where it was
Speaker 1: at me. You did, what do we got? Okay? Here
Speaker 1: I am. It's all good. So they found her remains
Speaker 1: on December eleventh of two thousand and eight, and by
Speaker 1: this time they were more so skeletal remains when she
Speaker 1: was found, and she was found less than a mile
Speaker 1: from Casey's parents' house, where she was wrapped up in
Speaker 1: a Winnie the Pooh blanket Oh gosh, and stuffed inside
Speaker 1: a laundry bag.
Speaker 3: Oh man, Yeah, okay, the Winnie the Pooh blanket. That's like,
Speaker 3: that's that's a lot.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And it was a swampy kind of usted aio
Speaker 1: that she was found.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 1: Wow, Okay, it's heavy on the heart, isn't it.
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, like that's just it's super all my gosh.
Speaker 1: Investigative reports and trial testimonies did vary a bit between
Speaker 1: one thing that happened because she was also found with
Speaker 1: duct tape around her. Now that duct tape was either
Speaker 1: being found near the front of this of her skull
Speaker 1: or on the mouth of her skull. So those are
Speaker 1: the varying reports. But either way, duct tape was found
Speaker 1: in the proximity of her mouth inside the laundry bag
Speaker 1: with her as well. Most likely she was suffocated. Oh gee,
Speaker 1: most likely.
Speaker 3: Oh and I just have like a serious question, but
Speaker 3: I can wait to see how I answer.
Speaker 1: No, it's all good. What's the question.
Speaker 3: Well, I'm just curious if, like if the body had
Speaker 3: been like decomposing for quite a while, or if it
Speaker 3: was like, hadn't been there that long, Like, I'm just curious.
Speaker 1: No, it was they they, I mean, there there's a
Speaker 1: timeline established. There's a last time that Casey or sorry,
Speaker 1: Kaylee was seen by her grandparents. There is witnesses saying
Speaker 1: that this was a date, you know, thirty one days
Speaker 1: prior to the call. So then to now, so you
Speaker 1: have June was the last time she was seen to December.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well I was just curious if maybe, like what
Speaker 3: if she'd only been there for a month, so like,
Speaker 3: had she been alive for a while well everyone was
Speaker 3: searching and stuff, or had she actually been gone for
Speaker 3: like that whole time.
Speaker 1: No, she had, she'd pretty much We've got a timeline,
Speaker 1: we've got an estimated timeline. Okay, so we'll get to
Speaker 1: that though, Okay. Moving on to April thirteenth of two
Speaker 1: thousand and nine, prosecutors announced that they would plan to
Speaker 1: seek the death penalty in the case regarding the death
Speaker 1: of two year old Kaylee Anthony.
Speaker 3: Oh boy, I mean that's pretty brutal. That's that is
Speaker 3: just a baby. That's a baby, yeah, oh boy, that
Speaker 3: did not deserve to die, that had their whole life
Speaker 3: ahead of them. It's really traumatic.
Speaker 1: And I mean death is something that everyone has to
Speaker 1: deal with eventually, but when it comes so young and
Speaker 1: so unnatural and by the hands of a potential family member,
Speaker 1: it just gets heavier and heavier, way worse.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, May four, twenty eleven, the trial would begin in Orlando, Florida.
Speaker 1: The prosecution stated that Casey Anthony used duct tape to
Speaker 1: suffocate her daughter, Kaylee Anthony. Now, the defense would contend
Speaker 1: that she actually didn't get suffocated by duct tape, and
Speaker 1: that she actually drowned in the grandparents' swimming pool. That
Speaker 1: Casey's father, George, warned Casey that would imprison her for
Speaker 1: life for child neglect if authorities figured it out, So
Speaker 1: the two of them would then cover up the death,
Speaker 1: which is why she failed to report the incident for
Speaker 1: thirty one days. Oh wow, that is their story.
Speaker 3: That's the defense's story.
Speaker 1: That's the defense. But they've got a little bit more
Speaker 1: to it though too. They also said that George Anthony
Speaker 1: Casey's father had sexually molested Casey as a child, and
Speaker 1: she had the habit of hiding her pain and lying.
Speaker 3: Oh geez. Okay, So this is this mother just learning
Speaker 3: a lot of things about her family marring this court case.
Speaker 3: Holy heck.
Speaker 1: The defense team also admitted that Casey had fabricated the
Speaker 1: story of the nanny name Zenaida Uh. And they also
Speaker 1: questioned the individual who found the remains, actually saying that
Speaker 1: they potentially removed them from elsewhere, and question police motives
Speaker 1: pursuing a murder investigation. So there's that was a little excessive.
Speaker 1: There was no There was no evidence regarding that as
Speaker 1: far as I could find. But it was one claim
Speaker 1: that the defense was chasing.
Speaker 3: You know, It's so interesting because I was almost wondering
Speaker 3: if the nanny thing was actually legit too.
Speaker 1: No, it was complete fabricated. Nanny didn't exist, Nanny wasn't real.
Speaker 3: Okay, yep, okay.
Speaker 1: Now the prosecutors would actually call George Anthony Casey's father
Speaker 1: as their first witness, and he denied any sort of
Speaker 1: sexual abuse towards his daughter Casey or covering up the
Speaker 1: death of his granddaughter.
Speaker 3: So hmmm, wow, okay, Oh my gosh. So also, I
Speaker 3: was thinking the grandma was learning a lot of things.
Speaker 3: But imagine if this this dad or grandpa or whatever
Speaker 3: was literally like hearing these things that he was being
Speaker 3: accused of that he didn't do.
Speaker 1: Oh and not only that, it's his daughter in court
Speaker 1: accusing him of them.
Speaker 3: Oh my, yeah, exactly, Like holy, okay.
Speaker 1: That's heavy. That would just that that's heavy on both sides.
Speaker 1: If it was true, that is heavy for Casey.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: If it's not true, that is heavy for Jordan.
Speaker 3: That's a stab in the freaking heart.
Speaker 1: It's not true. There's no win scenario.
Speaker 3: Oh no, there isn't. Wow.
Speaker 1: During her trial, Casey was graced, luckily for her with
Speaker 1: an incredible defense team, which included a man by the
Speaker 1: name of Patrick McKenna, who is known for his work
Speaker 1: on the defense of the O. J. Simpson case. Okay,
Speaker 1: so the individual who said no, it couldn't have been me.
Speaker 1: The glove doesn't fit. Yeah, he worked for his case.
Speaker 1: He got him off scot free.
Speaker 3: So he's good, is what you're saying.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's good. The prosecution, however, wasn't going to go
Speaker 1: down without a fight. They had a lot of seriously
Speaker 1: incriminating evidence regarding motive and her mental health to push forward,
Speaker 1: and that they did. Now, the timeline and evidence they
Speaker 1: came up with went as follows. Now, bear with me,
Speaker 1: this is I'm gonna be rambled a lot here. There's
Speaker 1: a lot of information to take inka. So June sixteenth,
Speaker 1: two thousand and eight, Kaylee was last seen alive at
Speaker 1: the Anthony family residence at seven am. Cindy testified that
Speaker 1: she left for work a few minutes before seven am
Speaker 1: while everyone, including Kaylee and Casey were in the home
Speaker 1: of sleep seven fifty two am. Activity on Casey's phone
Speaker 1: password sorry. Activity on Casey's password protected account on MySpace
Speaker 1: show she's searched for quote unquote shot girls costume for
Speaker 1: a nightclub event. Nine to fifty six am. Casey's aim
Speaker 1: account was used to chat on the computer twelve fifty pm.
Speaker 1: According to George Kayley's a Kaylee departed with Casey by
Speaker 1: car around twelve to fifty PM with backpacks on their shoulder. However,
Speaker 1: the defense disputed this. George testified that Casey and Kayley
Speaker 1: left the house at twelve fifty where first their computer
Speaker 1: activity at the home computer associated with Casey's account and
Speaker 1: her cell phone pings, not leaving the area of the
Speaker 1: home until about four eleven PM. So it's a contradictory
Speaker 1: statement there.
Speaker 3: Which is actually a pretty big gap of time.
Speaker 1: Yes, it is one thirty nine PM activity associated with
Speaker 1: Casey's aim, MySpace and Facebook accounts at one point thirty
Speaker 1: or sorry, one thirty nine pm on the home computer.
Speaker 1: The last browser activity during that session is at one
Speaker 1: forty two PM. One forty four pm Casey calls her
Speaker 1: friend Amy, two twenty one PM calls with Amy, and
Speaker 1: two thirty PM George Anthony testifies that he left the
Speaker 1: home at this time to go to work. Two forty
Speaker 1: nine PM Casey's Anthony Sorry, Casey Anthony's cell phone connects
Speaker 1: with the tower nearest the home, and the Anthony family's
Speaker 1: desktop computer is activated by someone using a password protected
Speaker 1: account that Casey used. Two fifty one PM, a Google
Speaker 1: search is made for the term quote unquote fool proof suffocation.
Speaker 1: The user clicks on an article criticizing pro suicide websites
Speaker 1: that promote quote fool proof ways to Die. Two fifty
Speaker 1: two pm activity on MySpace. Two fifty two pm, Casey
Speaker 1: answers a phone call from Jesse Grund. He describes his
Speaker 1: conversation as quote an abnormal where Casey stated to him
Speaker 1: that her parents were divorcing and she needs to find
Speaker 1: a new place to live. Three or four pm, Casey
Speaker 1: disconnects a phone call from Jesse Grund to take an
Speaker 1: incoming call from George Anthony, her father. According to defense,
Speaker 1: the twenty six second call from her father took place
Speaker 1: as soon as he got to work to tell her
Speaker 1: quote from the defense, I took care of everything. Tell
Speaker 1: her he disposed the to tell her that he disposed
Speaker 1: the body in warning her not to tell her mother
Speaker 1: about the child's death. That's according to.
Speaker 3: The defense wow.
Speaker 1: Three point thirty four pm, Casey made a phone call
Speaker 1: to her boyfriend Tony unanswered. Between four ten and four fifteen,
Speaker 1: Casey made six unanswered phone calls to her mother. Four
Speaker 1: eleven PM, casey cell phone pings indicating it was near
Speaker 1: the house, until she headed towards Lorenzo's apartment at for
Speaker 1: eleven pm, seven fifty four pm. She and Lorenzo are
Speaker 1: seen entering and walking around casually at Blockbuster Video store.
Speaker 1: Kaylee is not with them.
Speaker 3: I hate so much of that. I don't even know
Speaker 3: what to say.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Holy, So that is that's the last day that
Speaker 1: Casey the Kaylee sorry was ever seen. That is the
Speaker 1: activity throughout the day. Now, there are some days to
Speaker 1: note here following up to the case and the timeline
Speaker 1: as well. So we have June seventeenth, George and Cindy.
Speaker 1: Anthony noticed that the gate to the swimming pool is
Speaker 1: open and the ladder is next to the pool. June
Speaker 1: twentieth is captured in various photos partying at Fusion nightclub
Speaker 1: and participating in quote a hot body contest, oh my.
Speaker 1: June twenty third, Anthony Lorenzo testified that he helped Casey
Speaker 1: break into the shed at her parents' home and take
Speaker 1: gas cans for Casey's car, which had run out of gas.
Speaker 1: Lorenzo said he watched Casey open the trunk of her car,
Speaker 1: Although he did not see inside of the trunk, he
Speaker 1: said there was no odor that he could detect. June
Speaker 1: twenty fourth, George called police to report a break in
Speaker 1: and report the gas cans missing. Later this day, he
Speaker 1: saw Casey at the Anthony residence and confronted her about
Speaker 1: taking them. George said that when he went to get
Speaker 1: them out of his daughter's car, he ran past them quickly.
Speaker 1: She ran past them quickly, sorry, quickly opened the trunk
Speaker 1: and retrieved the gas cans herself, yelling here's your fucking
Speaker 1: gas cans. George testified that he smelled gasoline in car,
Speaker 1: but did not detect any other odors. June thirtieth, Casey's
Speaker 1: car is towed from a parking lot after being there
Speaker 1: for several days. Her purse and a child's car seat
Speaker 1: are found in the car's back seat. July second, Casey
Speaker 1: gets a tattoo on her back saying bella vita, which
Speaker 1: means beautiful life in Italian. July fifteenth, nine to one
Speaker 1: phone call was made to report Kaylee officially missing. Wow,
Speaker 1: which brings us to where we are now.
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, I need to go back to like the
Speaker 3: Google search of the strangulation thing, which was so crazy. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean, I can't super drudge. My Google history is
Speaker 3: really fucked up. But I'm also like doing true crime podcasts,
Speaker 3: So that's really messed up. And the fact that she
Speaker 3: got the tattoo, I feel like, is also like super
Speaker 3: messed up.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Now there is something else that's super messed up
Speaker 1: that I wanted to discuss here. That's not technically in
Speaker 1: the timeline, but it was brought into evidence. So this
Speaker 1: takes place on June twenty first, a couple weeks after
Speaker 1: her disappearance, and it is a entry into her diary.
Speaker 1: The diary entry says June twenty first, and it reads this,
Speaker 1: I have no regrets, just a bit worried. I just
Speaker 1: want for everything to work out. Okay. I completely trust
Speaker 1: my own judgment, and I know that I made the
Speaker 1: right decision. I just hope that the end justifies the means.
Speaker 1: I want to know what the future will hold for me.
Speaker 1: I guess I will soon see. This is the happiest
Speaker 1: that I have been in a very long time. I
Speaker 1: hope that my happiness will continue to grow. I've made
Speaker 1: new friends that I really like. I've surrounded myself with
Speaker 1: good people. I'm finally happy. Let's just hope that it
Speaker 1: doesn't change.
Speaker 3: Okay, this just keeps getting worse and worse and worse.
Speaker 3: If you needed. Okay, there are other means of like
Speaker 3: if you decided you didn't want to be a parent, right,
Speaker 3: or you needed to live a different life or a
Speaker 3: happier life. It's like there's other means of like not
Speaker 3: being a parent. Then then I don't know then what
Speaker 3: everyone is thinking potentially happened. M m.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean this like, this is admittedly after her
Speaker 1: daughter is missing, and this is an entry into her diary.
Speaker 3: And so if if the daughter is missing, there is
Speaker 3: like no way in hell that she should be living
Speaker 3: her best life. Yeah, like, no way.
Speaker 1: I am finally happy. Let's just hope that it doesn't change.
Speaker 1: Are you fucking kidding me?
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, this is just Oh I just don't
Speaker 3: like this.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I've been wanting to research this case for a
Speaker 1: while and it's a whole lot more of a can
Speaker 1: of worms than I ever expected it.
Speaker 3: It's a lot.
Speaker 1: Now. The world was sure that Casey was going to
Speaker 1: be found guilty of this until her defense made their
Speaker 1: closing statement.
Speaker 3: Okay, I want to hear it. What is this?
Speaker 1: Well, the closing statement is rather long winded, so I'm
Speaker 1: not going to go into that exact quotations or anything
Speaker 1: like that that's fine, but you can find it up
Speaker 1: on YouTube. It's I do recommend you go watch it now.
Speaker 1: They pointed out, basically as a sum that all the
Speaker 1: evidence against Casey showed a distraught mother, it showed a
Speaker 1: victim of circumstance, and that they claimed that the prosecution
Speaker 1: was playing on the emotions of the jury as they
Speaker 1: painted Casey in the worst light possible, all to make
Speaker 1: her look guilty.
Speaker 3: Of course, yeah, that probably happened.
Speaker 1: Excuse me, I just burped. Wow. I tried to make
Speaker 1: it quiet. It didn't really work. So because of all this,
Speaker 1: they had the jury against Casey even though there was
Speaker 1: zero evidence tying her to the death of her daughter.
Speaker 1: There was zero evidence to show she did anything to
Speaker 1: cause any harm to Kaylee. There was zero evidence to
Speaker 1: show she knew anything. The death of Casey. I'm sorry
Speaker 1: Kaylee Anthony was one hundred percent unsolved, and that all
Speaker 1: the prosecut had was pure speculation against it offendant. And yeah,
Speaker 1: after that, they held up their their story of the
Speaker 1: accidental drowning in the grandparents pool. Hmmm, they have a point.
Speaker 1: There is a lot of speculation. There's a lot of
Speaker 1: fucked up shit going don't get me wrong. But there's
Speaker 1: not I drop of blood. Well, yeah, there's not a hair,
Speaker 1: there's not a fingerprint.
Speaker 3: I mean we we've done other cases like that too,
Speaker 3: where it's just it makes sense I guess that the
Speaker 3: person did it, but then there is really no evidence
Speaker 3: at all. But then there's no evidence for whoever anyone
Speaker 3: that did it. So it's like someone had to have
Speaker 3: done this.
Speaker 1: Yeah someone did. Yeah, but there's no more proof to
Speaker 1: show that she did it than I did it.
Speaker 3: Technically, Oh my gosh, technically there was no evidence on
Speaker 3: the body whatsoever?
Speaker 1: Then? Eh, really no evidence found?
Speaker 3: Would they not have been able to tell if the
Speaker 3: if the my daughter had drowned? Verse?
Speaker 1: Like it was more so skeletal remains by the time
Speaker 1: they found her, so cause was not easy to find, right, Okay,
Speaker 1: so it speculated it was suffocation speculated, hmm. And that's
Speaker 1: all they have is speculation, which sucks.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that sucks, It really does, because, like, I want
Speaker 3: to know what the freak happened here, I'd really love
Speaker 3: to know.
Speaker 1: Well, I think we all would. But what happened next
Speaker 1: was on July fifth of twenty eleven, after about ten
Speaker 1: hours of deliberation, the jury found Casey Anthony not guilty
Speaker 1: of the first degree murder, not guilty of aggravated manslaughter,
Speaker 1: and not guilty of aggravated child abuse. They did, however,
Speaker 1: convict her of four misdemeanor charges of giving false information
Speaker 1: to law enforcement.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, well she definitely did that.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So she was sentenced to one year in county
Speaker 1: jail and up to one thousand dollars in fine for
Speaker 1: each of the four misdemeanors, and the judge ordered the
Speaker 1: sentence to run consecutively, but based on the credit years
Speaker 1: she had already served. Based on what she'd served as,
Speaker 1: she would end up only serving ten days after her
Speaker 1: sentencing because she had already served the time.
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, well, I don't know what to say. That's crazy.
Speaker 1: Well, as of today, Casey is a free woman, living
Speaker 1: her life as she pleas. She still upholds that she
Speaker 1: doesn't know what happened to her daughter and that she
Speaker 1: doesn't care what anyone thinks about it. She's also working
Speaker 1: as a private investigator now alongside Patrick McKenna, her defense investigator. Really,
Speaker 1: there's no evidence to show any sort of romantic relationship,
Speaker 1: but yeah, she's now an investigator alongside him, and she
Speaker 1: says that she's good at what she does because she
Speaker 1: uses the tactics that were used against her in her case,
Speaker 1: but this way in her turn doing them for good
Speaker 1: now instead.
Speaker 3: That's so interesting that the lawyer and defense or whatever
Speaker 3: just believed her that much. So, I mean, that's something.
Speaker 3: But the thing is like she just has to have
Speaker 3: been heartbroken, like her daughter is good, but it doesn't seem.
Speaker 2: Like she is.
Speaker 1: She knows something something. I know that much because if
Speaker 1: her claims are then nanny took my daughter, and then
Speaker 1: in court it's found out that nanny doesn't even exist. Well,
Speaker 1: then what the fuck was it?
Speaker 3: Mm hm yeah, I mean there's just too many lies.
Speaker 3: There's there's too many and.
Speaker 1: Like we mentioned, the idea of being a pathological liar
Speaker 1: very real. It stated that the dad had helped her
Speaker 1: cover up an accidental death, but the dad would on
Speaker 1: trial saying that didn't happen. So someone is lying.
Speaker 3: I wonder if she has any relationship on her parents
Speaker 3: after this.
Speaker 1: I would assume not.
Speaker 3: Yeah, probably not.
Speaker 1: I don't know, but I would assume not.
Speaker 3: They would have to be incredibly forgiving people, no kidding
Speaker 3: how what she did.
Speaker 1: That would take a lot of strength. Yeah, and I
Speaker 1: mean if they do have that strength, good on them,
Speaker 1: that that's good. Yeah, but I don't know if I
Speaker 1: could do that.
Speaker 3: No, No, not at all.
Speaker 1: So that is the story of Kaylee Anthony and Casey Anthony.
Speaker 3: I really want to see a picture of this little
Speaker 3: girl to see if I recognize her. That's just heartbroken.
Speaker 1: Well, well, we'll definitely put that People magazine cover up
Speaker 1: on her Instagram on Facebook.
Speaker 3: Okay, so yeah, because we I mean I've always like,
Speaker 3: you're just at the grocery store and you look at
Speaker 3: these these magazines all the time, right, so I'm curious,
Speaker 3: Well I do anyway, I don't know if you do.
Speaker 1: Do you? I mean I see them, I don't specifically
Speaker 1: go out on my way to investigate them.
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, I'll you should grab one and like look
Speaker 3: at it lots of times. So I'm just like curious
Speaker 3: to know if I would recognize this picture.
Speaker 1: So no, my my usual standing in the grocery store
Speaker 1: aisle and I see them as I'm usually eye rolling
Speaker 1: at the celebrity gossip. Oh my god, what has Brad
Speaker 1: Pitt done?
Speaker 3: Now? Yeah, like picking it up, reading the whole cover,
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh.
Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely different perspectives that way.
Speaker 3: Yeah, totally.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay, well that's the case.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean that's definitely like wild. My brain is
Speaker 3: just like still going crazy.
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