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your support. Military helicopter collided with a flight from Kansas
that was bound for Reagan National or DCA, and they
collided as the plane was on approach and about to land.
They were like three hundred feet off the ground and
the Blackhawk helicopter had three service members on it. They
were all killed. Sixty four people on the airplane were
all killed. The wreckage fell into the Potomac River. Emergency
response immediately on scene. And I will let me read
to you the post that Donald Trump sent out last
night or early this morning at twelve nineteen am said
the airplane was on a perfect and routine line of
approach to the airport. The helicopter was going straight at
the airplane for an extended period of time. It's a
clear night. The lights on the plane were blazing. Why
didn't the helicopter go up or down or turn? Why
didn't the controlled tower tell the helicopter what to do
instead of asking if they saw the plane. This is
a bad situation that looks like it should have been prevented.
Not good. So that's what Trump sent out last night
early this morning in the aftermath of the crash. Eric
ericson about ten minutes ago. He's a talk show host
down in Atlanta. And for people who are not aware
of what the coverage was going on or looked like
last night, and what reporters were saying last night, what
Democrats and you know, anti trumpers ever, they were like
flooding the zone last night with these accusations that this
was somehow the fault of Donald Trump, and you know,
the decision to you know, do the funding freeze or
a hiring freeze, or the fa administrator isn't on the
job anymore, and like like somehow or another that caused
the crash. They were tying it to Donald Trump, much
like they do in any kind of a tragedy, any
kind of a mass casualty event, there's always this race
to find a connection to the Republicans, to the president,
you know, and to hang it on them. And so
if you were unaware of all of that that occurred
late last night into the wee early morning hours today,
then what you saw today with the Donald Trump press conference,
or if you heard the press conference where he came
out and I made some notes here he talks about.
He starts off by saying, you know, this is a
dark and excruciating event in our capital and in our country.
And then he pivots to defend his administration's implementation of
you know, merit based hiring, the ripping out of DEI.
He says, I put safety first. You know, That's what
I did in my first term. I'm doing it now.
He said. Barack Obama and Joe Biden and Democrats, they
changed it. This is due to policy, the DEI policy,
the lowering of standards for the FAA and the air
traffic controllers. And I wrote, as he's saying this, I wrote, why,
question mark, because they are blaming Trump. That's why he's
saying this, Because they were blaming Donald Trump. And if
you want to blame policy and personnel, and if that's
if that's where you want to go with this, then
what Donald Trump said with Barack Obama was correct. This
is from June third, twenty fifteen, so before Trump comes in,
right before Obama is out, like a year, year and
a half before Obama's term is ending. Wall Street Journal headline,
Affirmative action lands in the air traffic control tower. The
Obama administration forces the Federal Aviation Administration to move away
from merit based hiring criteria. Now, is that the reason
for the crash? We don't know. I don't know. Nobody
does at this point. And that's what I am urging
people is to be People need to be cautious, go slowly.
But I understand pushing back against the immediate race to
set a narrative and then have it calcify in the
public opinion. And that's what the left is very very
good at because they control the institutions of the media. Right,
they tell a story, and stories are very powerful things,
and you tell a story enough times, people then think
it's true. And Eric Erickson I mentioned the host down
in Atlanta. He summed it up about ten minutes ago
on Twitter, and I think this is exactly correct, he
said reporters last night rushed to blame the plane crash
on Donald Trump. Today, Donald Trump pushed back, and the
same reporters blaming him last night are now upset at
him for politicizing the tragedy. That's what's occurring here. It's
the same thing. It's do you like, do we not
remember from four years ago, right or eight years ago
when Trump first got in he was running his campaign
on it. This is the same play over and over
and over again. And Donald Trump responds, he comes out
and he responds, and like, you can disagree with the
way he did it. I'm not a fan of the
way he did it. I think he could have done
it better. But what do I know. I'm not president,
I haven't won, you know, the presidency. I'm so if
that's what people want, then you know, then they're getting it.
This was part of the package. So but I but
I recognize what it is that he's doing and why
he's doing it. And so now they're going to accuse
him of politicizing it when they were the ones who
actually politicized in the first place. Let me go to
the phone lines here and get oh, I had Marcus,
but okay, Marcus dropped off. Here's Tom, Welcome to the show.
Speaker 2: Hello Tom, Hey, how you doing, Pete. First of all,
I want to say condolences to the families, all of them,
and it was a terrible tragedy. But I want to
say sometimes, and please don't take this the wrong way.
It seems like you're trying to defend the indefensible. And
like you said, I agree with you on this. He
should have done it a different way. And my third
thing is he should have waited until the experts get
the report together. This stuff is not politics when you
dealing with death. It's not Republican, independent, or whatever. Death
is death. So I think that Trump needs to get
people that are not sick of fans. And that's a
big word that your readers, they probably know what it is.
The King has surrounded himself with a bunch of sycophants,
and what we need in America is just plain objective.
Speaker 3: True.
Speaker 1: Okay, So a couple of things, Tom, let me I'll
stop you right there. I know what sick of fans are,
but I would also submit that every administration packs their
administration with sick offense. That's kind of the deal. But
the first thing is that you say, I'm I'm kind
of defending the indefensible.
Speaker 2: So I don't want to defend the indispensable. I feel
like you do that. But you did say he did
it different You could have done it differently. I'll give
you that now you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because I was going to ask you, so what
is the what is the indefensible? And how did I
defend it?
Speaker 2: I'm glad well you didn't defend it. The indepensible is this.
This stuff has nothing to do with di He doesn't
need to keep blaming Bush or Biden, any Obama, nobody.
He just needs to take charge, unite the country for
the good, send condolences to the families, and cut this
bull crap out, as he said, because he's not gonna
make it like that.
Speaker 1: So all right, so let me so then let me
ask a follow up here and I have about like
a minute with you, but before the break, so let
me ask this then, So, when the media establishment is
blaming him for the crash, what is the appropriate response
that you would have preferred he take to combat that narrative?
Speaker 2: The appropriate response response is to give condolences to the family. Uh,
if they We're going to wait for the experts to
come out with the report and to hell with the press,
public opinion, the voters have spoken. He don't need to
worry about the press. The people have spoken. He just
needs to conduct himself more presidential.
Speaker 1: So okay. So, so Tom would have preferred that Trump
not address the accusations, and that is in marketing, that
is in branding and pr That is one approach. The
other approach is to not let unfounded false accusations stand
because when you don't respond, then people believe they are true.
And I am generally of that school. I am generally
of that approach. That somebody makes an accusation that's false,
I respond, that's false. Here's why. Now again, Donald Trump
does it his way, and it has worked for him
so far low these many years is what you know,
seventy eight years or or whatever it is. And because
he's gotten to be president, he's won three Republican nominations,
he's won the office, so obviously all indications are that
this approach is working. So he's taken a different tact,
And I know Tom would prefer a different approach. I
would have preferred he had done it differently, But like
I said, I know what I'm getting with Donald Trump.
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One other point to Tom's call before I get to Marcus,
is that Tom said, you know, wait for the investigation
to be done. And Trump did address that at his
press conference today. He said, it takes years for this
to occur. Now, there will be an interim report that
comes out. I think within thirty days they'll give some
sort of an assessment, but the final reports, the final
invent instigation, it takes years for them to do it.
And he meant. Trump mentioned that, and so coming out
now and saying, you know, this is what we know,
and it looks like he's got questions too, and he's
saying it looks like that it was the helicopter that
didn't do something right. But like I played in the
first hour, whenever you have these types of crashes, there's
usually a bunch of different reasons that all converge at
one point in time at a certain place, and multiple
failures compound, and so that's the that's sort of the
general thing that occurs in these types of accidents, but
we don't know at this point. We're speculating. Let me
get to Marcus here. Hello, Marcus, welcome to the show.
Speaker 4: Oh, great show. We appreciate ch'alla as usual. You're doing
a great job and you're hitting the nail on the hill.
Most thinks you're missing one little ingredient, and that is
you know, we we on the right have been taken
with chin since both bushes and uh, you know that
they come out like Maxine Water did at time and
was run people off the restaurants and some to run
people when they see something on the right, m away
from the gas stations and stuff like that. And that
was actually happening in d C. And everything they're showing
on TV and whatnot, and uh, you know, in longcome
Trump And this is why he's so popular, This is
why he draws giant crowds. Is he's actually fighting back
for us, and and and and and you know we've
been we've been uh, they've been talked down too, and
and then then they've been calling us to all sorts
of vile names and whatnot and and outlaw and stuff
that we say and outlaw and uh this or that
and saying that not polutely correct and all that stuff,
and then he fights back and that's why he's the popular.
I mean, I hear people talk about they don't like
his mouth or whatnot, and but they're gonna vote for
him and stuff like that. But still most people that
they show up in giant crowds. I've never been to
one like that, but they, you know, sit on TV.
And that's why he supplied for because he runs his
mouth and it's it's you know, and un lot of
people don't like it. But I think, you know, finally
somebody is fighting back forces because we can't go on
or TIV and tell them, you know, that they're crazy
and stuff like that. But he does, and he calls
him out and you just huge common sense and most
of the time what he says is right. So it's
been interesting to watch. But you know, that's the reason
we have somebody to fight back Ford and to say
stuff that people have been bad mouth in US for
a long time. So I think it's one of the
ways he called the big crayons.
Speaker 1: I would agree. It's the thing that I heard from
twenty fifteen, which is he fights and that was the
grand summation of all things strump. It was just that
he fights, and it didn't even matter what he was
fighting for. It really didn't. Over the years, like people
will change, and there's enough examples of this, I don't
need to run through it. But he will flip flop
back and forth, and people that just want somebody to
fight for them, they don't care. It does not matter
if he flips, It does not matter if he cusses,
it doesn't matter if he's wrong. None of that matters.
They just want some nobody that's going to defend them.
And look, I understand the inclination. I get it. I
don't think it's healthy, but you know I lost that
argument eight years ago.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well it's not hard to do like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so Marcus, I appreciate the call, sir. Let me
jump over and get Angela on before the news. Hello Angela, Hey, Pete.
Speaker 5: Hey, I really appreciate your detailed perspective. It's calmed me down.
It's made me think about two sides to this. It's
made me think in my heart that why would a
passenger plane immediately descend on impact from a helicopter if
it wasn't on auto palette, and I believe that they
already know what happened. Anybody that can hear the radios
know what was said. And Trump even said that there
was a call right at impact and it was too
late in that press conference.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've heard it so.
Speaker 5: And I think that it's just the FCC's job to
protect there the faith that the public before they're ready
to tell everything. I mean, I was on the first
international flight after nine to eleven and my fiance was
making a will out until eleven pm the night before.
He was scared. I was praying, and you know, we
had a safe trip and everybody was really gracious in
London and Paris and places. But bottom line, people are
scared sometimes when they fly.
Speaker 1: Oh absolutely, no, I get it. I totally understand that.
Speaker 5: But there was I just have to thank you because
sometimes I feel like I just always hear one perspective
and you just really kind of you just you had
away earlier, you know, within the last half hour of
just making me calmed down.
Speaker 1: Well, and I don't know, I'm glad I could do
that for you now. I'm glad I could do that
for you. That's what I strive to do. That to
calm people's passions.
Speaker 5: I mean, I understand that sometimes people will fuel things
just to get conversation. Or maybe that's not the right word.
Speaker 1: No, that's true.
Speaker 5: I really appreciate you.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much, Thanks Angela. No, there are people
that just like stirring the pot, and that is a
business model for some people. It is not mine. And
maybe that's why people are like, oh, when are you
gonna go national or whatever. I don't think I can,
because I like, sometimes I see too many angles for
a lot of people, you know, they don't like the
fact that I try to see these things from all
of these different angles. And I recognize that sometimes, you know,
the truth lies somewhere in the middle between all of
these different arguments, and I don't have to choose. I like,
I reject, I fundamentally reject the false dichotomy that it's
either this or that. And I'm not saying that's happening
right now, but you know, it's either this or that,
like you're either with me or you're evil and you're
a Nazi, Like okay, Like there are some reasonable disagreements
here in different things to assess, and all I urge
in all of these instances is to wait and see
what's some men information when some information gets presented, and
so then we can learn. Because if you adopt a
position early on after anything like this, it becomes much
harder for you than to assess new information when it
comes in because you've become wedded to a particular viewpoint.
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in the last hour, this is not the first crash
of a commercial airliner into the Potomac. There was another
one January thirteenth, nineteen eighty two, and I think it
actually had to do with like the de icing issues,
bad weather and that sort of thing. Now, that was
eighty two. Ronald Reagan was president. A decade later, Ronald
Reagan went and spoke at the commencement to dress for
the graduating class of the Citadel in Charleston, and he
talked about this plane crash. And I was actually there.
My brother graduated from the Citadel nineteen ninety three. That's
when Reagan spoke, and he told this story in his address.
Speaker 3: Yes, countless soldiers have distinguished themselves on fields of valor
and are part of the century and a half tradition
of duty and honor we celebrate today. But For me,
there is one name that will always come to mind
whenever I think of the Citadel and the Corps of Cadets.
It is a name that appears in no military histories.
Its owner won no glory on the field of battle. No,
his moment of truth came not in combat, but on
a snow driven peacetime day in the nation's capital in
January of nineteen eighty two. That is the day that
the civilian airliner on which he was a passenger, crashed
into a Washington bridge and then plunged into the rough
waters of the ic Epotomac. He survived the impact of
the crash and found himself with a small group of
other survivors, struggling to stay afloat in the near frozen river.
And then suddenly there was hope. A park police helicopter
appeared overhead, trailing a lifeline to the outstretched hands below,
a lifeline that could carry but a few of the
victims to the safety of the shore. News cameramen watched
helplessly recorded the scene as the man in the water
repeatedly handed the rope to the others, refusing to save
himself until the first one, then two, then three, and
four and finally five of his fellow passengers had been rescued.
But when the helicopter returned for one final trip, the
trip that would rescue the man who had passed the rope,
it was too late. He had slipped at last beneath
the waves with the sinking wreckage, the only one of
seventy nine fatalities in the disaster who lost his life
after the accident itself. For months thereafter we knew him
only as the unknown hero, and then an exhaustive Coast
Guard investigation conclusively established his identity. Many of you here
today know his name as well as I do, for
his portrait now hangs with honor, as it indeed should
on this very campus, the campus where he once walked,
as you have through the summer all Gate and along
the Avenue of Remembrance. Was a young first classman with
a crisp uniform and a confident stride on a bright
spring morning, full of hopes and plans for the future.
He never dreamed that his life's supreme challenge would come
in its final moments some twenty five years later, adrift
in the bone chilling waters of the ice stream streamed
river and surrounded by others who desperately needed help. But
when the challenge came, he was ready. His name was
Arlen D. Williams Junior, the Citadel Class of nineteen fifty seven.
He brought honor to his alma mater and honor to
his nation. I was never more proud as President than
on that day in June nineteen eighty three, when his
parents and his children joined me in the Oval Office.
For then I was able on behalf of the nation
to pay posthumous honor to him. Greater love, as the
Bible tells us, hath no man than to lay down
his life for a friend. I have spoken of Ireland
Williams in part to honor him anew in your presence
here at this special institution that helped mold his character.
Here's the same institution that has now put its final
imprint on you, the graduating seniors of its one hundred
and fiftieth year. But I have also retold his story
because I believe it has something important to teach to
you as graduates, about the challenges that life inevitably seemed
to present, and about what it is that prepares us
to meet them. Sometimes, you see, life gives us what
we think is fair warning of the choices that will
shape our future. On such occasions, we are able to
look far along the path, up ahead, to that distant
point in the woods where the poet's two roads diverge,
and then, if we are wise, we will take time
to think and reflect before choosing which road to take,
before the junction is reached in fact, But such occasions,
in fact are rather rare, far rarer, I suspect than
the confident eyes of one's early twenties can quite perceive.
Far more often than we can comfortably admit, the most
crucial of life's moments come like the scriptural thief in
the night, suddenly and without notice. The crisis is upon us,
and the moment of choice is at hand, a moment
fraught with import for ourselves and all who are depending
on the choice that we make. We find ourselves if
you will, plunged without warning into the icy water, where
the currents of moral consequence run swift and deep, and
where our fellow men and yes, I believe our maker
are waiting to see whether we will pass the rope.
These are the moments when instinct and character take command,
as they took command for Arland Williams on the day
our Lord would call him home. For there is no
time at such moments for anything but fortitude and integrity,
debate and reflection, and a leisurely weighing of the alternatives.
Our luxuries we do not have. The only question is
what kind of responsibility will come to the fore And
now we come to the heart of the matter, to
the core less taught by the heroism of Arland Williams
on January thirteenth, nineteen eighty two. For you see, the
character that takes command in moments of crucial choices has
already been determined. It has been determined by a thousand
other choices made earlier, in seemingly unimportant moments. It has
been determined by all the little choices of years past,
by all those times when the voice of conscience was
at war with a voice of temptation, whispering the lie
that it really doesn't matter. It has been determined by
all the day to day decisions made when life seemed
easy and crises seemed far away, the decisions that peace
by peace. Bit by bit, it developed habits of discipline
or of laziness, habits of self sacrifice or of self indulgence,
habits of duty and honor and integrity, or dishonor and shame.
Because when life does get tough and the crisis is
undeniably at hand, when we must in an instant look
inward for strength of character to see us through, we
will find nothing inside ourselves that we have not already
put there. And you know, it turns out that much
the same thing is also true for our country.
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me head over and talk with Larry. Hello, Larry, Hey,
how are you?
Speaker 4: Hey?
Speaker 1: I'm good. What's going on?
Speaker 6: Well? I just I've been an aircraft mechanic all my life,
and that's forty seven years. I've been an aircraft mechanic
and I actually work on Bombardier aircraft, which is the
type this one was. And I hear people freaking out,
you know, first off arts and prayers to those that
lost their lives. It shouldn't have happened. The safety systems
and aircraft today almost always would preclude this type of event.
But there's a lot that could have happened here that
will know soon. And I just want to encourage people
not to be too freaked out about safety of aircraft.
Are extremely safe but you know, like with a military aircraft,
they could have had their transponder turned off.
Speaker 1: They can do that, right, And if they were running
the kind of training mission, a continuity of government training,
which is like what happens if the president and the
vice president are killed or something like, there has to
be a continuity of government. If if that's the kind
of mission, this training that they were doing, then they
very I had seen reports that they had gone dark
as part of the training mission, and so if that
might have contributed.
Speaker 6: That's absolutely true, because anybody today can download an app
to track aircraft, and I tracked my company's aircraft on
that particular app just so I know where they're at.
Not it's with commercial aircraft, they're always going to be
transponding or putting out a signal, whereas the military don't.
If they were transponding, and I don't know either way
whether they were or not, but I agree they probably
were dark and at that point the aircraft inbound, who
was doing everything completely right, could not have detected them, right,
and so he could not have taken evasive action.
Speaker 1: No, and the plane was yeah, apparently the plane was cleared, right.
They were the ones going in and there was, you know,
the warning that went to the helicopter that said, you know, hey,
there's you know, there's another plane here. And what may
have happened is that the chopper pilot looked and saw
another plane that was taking off that and was like
off to the right and saw that plane and thought
that's the plane that they're talking about, not this other
one on a short approach.
Speaker 6: And that's that RJ would have been at that point.
I looked at the at the flight tracks, and that
RD would have been turning for the runway, which would
have put him right wing up and very.
Speaker 4: Difficult for the helicopter pilot to see.
Speaker 6: And they were probably, as you said, distracted by the
taking off airplane, not the landing one. And I don't
know what type of airplane was taking off, whether it
was an RJ two, But the bottom line is it
was it was simple human error. But we have to
protect our military too when they're on a mission where
they're transponder needs to be off, because if I can
download the app and track them, so can the bad guys.
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, and you know these we are aware of
stories of military training exercises that go very bad, and
soldiers and airmen, marines, they lose their lives in those accidents,
and then there are investigations and everything else. But these
like this, this does happen, and it's an it seems
like right now, but I have no idea just going
by some of the details that I've seen. It does
you know, it does appear that human error is the
biggest factor here, But I don't know. Well, yeah, we'll
wait and see.
Speaker 6: I think we'll know that. But but at the end
of the day, you know, God bless our troops and
and you know, hearts and my heart's broken for the people.
You know, that's very personal to me and everybody in
our industry. So you know, I really just you know,
pray for those folks that lost their lives, and including
the helicopter pilot.
Speaker 1: Because yeah, I mean it's I.
Speaker 6: Think that's what it's going to come down to. That
they were they they thought they were looking at the
right airplane. The controller did everything right. I heard some
of the presidents this morning on your radio, and I
think there were some jump tos. And I love Trump,
but there's some jump tos there that he just not
the time in the place.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, unless he's gotten some information that we don't
have yet. I'm sure he has, but like, oh yeah,
but I don't know how anybody can can know exactly
what happened at this early stage. But they may he
may have a clearer sight line on that and and
you know, we'll find out. But yeah, it I would hope.
So yeah, right now, it appears to be just an accident,
So Larry, I appreciate the call, sir, Thank you very much.
It's one of those things, you know, just like when
people are looking at any kind of a tragedy mass
casualty event and people want to know, how did this happen?
And you know, it's one of the reasons why I
think a lot of conspiracy theories develop around these types
of things is because people are more comforted by the
idea that somebody had to have done this on purpose,
rather than accept that mistakes and accidents and randomness happen.
That's a scary thing for a lot of people. I think,
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