WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.600 --> 00:00:01.879 You'll be away five seventeen. 2 00:00:01.960 --> 00:00:05.400 Do you want to report a UFO hanging in? We 3 00:00:05.719 --> 00:00:06.440 don't want. 4 00:00:06.280 --> 00:00:08.560 To report every thirty one. 5 00:00:08.560 --> 00:00:11.800 Do you wish to report a UFO over hey, we 6 00:00:11.880 --> 00:00:15.679 want to one of those areas thirty one. Do you 7 00:00:15.679 --> 00:00:17.320 wish to find a report of any kind of it? 8 00:00:18.879 --> 00:00:21.039 I wouldn't know what kind of reports clouds. 9 00:00:20.800 --> 00:00:23.120 Time areas thirty one? 10 00:00:23.399 --> 00:00:29.920 Me neither there. See if it was anybody above us 11 00:00:29.920 --> 00:00:32.600 to pass us, Like thirty seconds ago, we were sending 12 00:00:32.600 --> 00:00:33.920 one top of golf negative. 13 00:00:34.000 --> 00:00:37.039 Okay, OFFI the UFO. 14 00:00:37.759 --> 00:00:40.920 Yeah, it's murder two nine o'clock. Yes, I'll passed over, 15 00:00:42.439 --> 00:00:44.399 I go. I don't know what it was, but it's 16 00:00:44.439 --> 00:00:47.280 from at least to three thousand feet above us. See, 17 00:00:47.280 --> 00:00:53.479 I passed right over the top of US ninety one one. 18 00:00:53.640 --> 00:00:55.359 You just called both to me before. 19 00:00:56.600 --> 00:00:59.159 They're after staying the airplanes. 20 00:01:00.159 --> 00:01:06.480 He to god, calm on an unidentified object every Liberty 21 00:01:06.920 --> 00:01:10.200 four call or calm on an unidentified flying object. 22 00:01:13.200 --> 00:01:19.120 A Welcome to UFO Chronicles a place where people share 23 00:01:19.120 --> 00:01:24.400 their experiences of the strange and unexplained. If you've had 24 00:01:24.400 --> 00:01:26.519 an encounter, I would like to be on the show. 25 00:01:27.280 --> 00:01:32.519 You can email me at UFO Chronicles at gmail dot com. 26 00:01:48.000 --> 00:01:51.159 Hello everyone, and welcome to the show. How are you 27 00:01:51.239 --> 00:01:54.200 all doing. I'm Nick Hunter and this is the UFO 28 00:01:54.359 --> 00:01:58.439 Chronicles podcast. Both our guests tonight are from Florida and 29 00:01:58.519 --> 00:02:00.920 the first is Sunny, and she'll be sharing some of 30 00:02:01.000 --> 00:02:04.640 her paranormal experiences she's had of the multiple haunted houses 31 00:02:04.680 --> 00:02:08.039 that she's lived in over the years, including the famous 32 00:02:08.280 --> 00:02:12.360 Penscola Lighthouse where her family stayed during the nineteen eighties, 33 00:02:12.719 --> 00:02:15.800 and also about her experiences of growing up Catholic and 34 00:02:15.919 --> 00:02:19.080 getting mixed up in the Satanic Church and eventually coming 35 00:02:19.159 --> 00:02:22.120 back to Christianity. And then we drop into Bart to 36 00:02:22.199 --> 00:02:24.479 hear some of the strange things that has happened to him, 37 00:02:24.759 --> 00:02:27.960 including the sighting of an apparition of a woman, strange 38 00:02:28.000 --> 00:02:32.319 disembodied voices, and unexplained objects in the sky that he 39 00:02:32.439 --> 00:02:36.199 witnessed with his cousin with a cool October night. Sunny 40 00:02:36.599 --> 00:02:39.319 is up next, but first, if you enjoy the show 41 00:02:39.400 --> 00:02:42.240 and you'd like to help support the podcast on Patreon, 42 00:02:42.520 --> 00:02:44.680 you can do this for as little as one dollar 43 00:02:44.759 --> 00:02:47.960 a month. Head on over to patreon dot com forward 44 00:02:48.000 --> 00:02:51.479 slash UFO Chronicles podcast. You can also find a link 45 00:02:51.560 --> 00:02:54.360 in the description of this episode. Any help is very 46 00:02:54.479 --> 00:02:55.400 much appreciated. 47 00:02:55.759 --> 00:02:57.000 Now on with the show. 48 00:03:12.680 --> 00:03:15.520 Good evening, Sonny, welcome to the podcast. 49 00:03:16.039 --> 00:03:18.319 Thank you very much. I'm glad to be here. 50 00:03:18.800 --> 00:03:21.080 It is wonderful to have you joined us today. Okay, 51 00:03:21.680 --> 00:03:23.080 you're calling from Florida. 52 00:03:23.639 --> 00:03:27.000 I am calling from the Panhandle of Florida. Very rich 53 00:03:27.039 --> 00:03:30.840 in history, very beautiful, best speeches. I'm sorry if I 54 00:03:30.919 --> 00:03:33.719 offend anybody, but we do have the best speeches, so. 55 00:03:33.879 --> 00:03:37.199 I hear great stuff. Okay, now you have some paranormal 56 00:03:37.280 --> 00:03:39.560 experiences you're going to share of us. Would you like 57 00:03:39.599 --> 00:03:40.919 to start at the beginning, please, ma'am. 58 00:03:41.240 --> 00:03:47.159 I would, and I'm going to start with actually something 59 00:03:47.280 --> 00:03:53.319 that has been documented on national TV, including the sci 60 00:03:53.479 --> 00:03:59.599 Fi channels taps very famous ghost hunting show on TV. 61 00:04:00.159 --> 00:04:03.800 They visited us. It's been documented before that in books 62 00:04:04.479 --> 00:04:11.120 and accounts, and that is the Pensacola, Florida Lighthouse. So 63 00:04:11.680 --> 00:04:17.680 full disclaimer, I do not remember the full story when 64 00:04:17.720 --> 00:04:21.240 we stayed there because we stayed there in December of 65 00:04:21.360 --> 00:04:24.040 eighty two. I was a year and a half old. 66 00:04:24.839 --> 00:04:27.279 But my family doesn't like to talk about it. But 67 00:04:27.759 --> 00:04:31.600 what I have cathered, you know, throughout the years, I 68 00:04:31.839 --> 00:04:35.000 will try and convey and then tell my experiences of 69 00:04:35.079 --> 00:04:42.079 going back there. So my family was moving Military Air Force. 70 00:04:43.319 --> 00:04:49.160 My dad had been stationed in Arizona and was being 71 00:04:49.319 --> 00:04:56.720 restationed to a Air Force base in England, and they 72 00:04:56.879 --> 00:05:01.879 had a week because my mother's family, of course was 73 00:05:01.959 --> 00:05:05.480 born and raised here. My dad's family had come here 74 00:05:05.560 --> 00:05:09.279 when he was a teenager in this area, and the 75 00:05:09.319 --> 00:05:14.360 military had offered my family a week to stay at 76 00:05:14.439 --> 00:05:20.399 the Pensacle Lighthouse. It's on nas and Ab Base and 77 00:05:20.759 --> 00:05:22.639 they had this opportunity to stay there for a week, 78 00:05:22.800 --> 00:05:26.319 visit with the family, and you know, have free places lift. 79 00:05:26.480 --> 00:05:30.959 It's a very beautiful lighthouse, two story house, huge lighthouse 80 00:05:31.160 --> 00:05:36.360 overlooking the bay. Gorgeous. So, you know, I had always 81 00:05:36.399 --> 00:05:39.560 heard the stories over the years, and then I would 82 00:05:39.639 --> 00:05:43.240 see different TV shows where people would talk about different 83 00:05:43.360 --> 00:05:46.839 experiences that would line up with what some of my 84 00:05:46.959 --> 00:05:50.920 older siblings and my parents would call me, such as 85 00:05:50.959 --> 00:05:56.480 a glowing ball coming down the first to second story stairway. 86 00:05:57.480 --> 00:06:01.040 We were supposed to stay there for a week, and 87 00:06:02.000 --> 00:06:06.199 I believe we stayed there for two nights. Yeah, the 88 00:06:06.279 --> 00:06:10.600 second night, I believe my two brothers and my older 89 00:06:10.720 --> 00:06:16.079 sister jumped up and ran screaming into the room my 90 00:06:16.199 --> 00:06:18.439 parents were staying in, which was the blood stained room 91 00:06:18.680 --> 00:06:22.439 where my parents were staying in, and there is a 92 00:06:22.560 --> 00:06:25.120 blood stain that they've never been able to get out, 93 00:06:25.439 --> 00:06:27.959 and that could have either been from the story's range 94 00:06:28.000 --> 00:06:32.199 from a lady who died after giving birth and child 95 00:06:32.639 --> 00:06:35.120 didn't make it and she didn't make it, and then 96 00:06:35.199 --> 00:06:38.439 there was another story about somebody possibly being murdered in 97 00:06:38.519 --> 00:06:42.199 that room. Our room was right next to that one, 98 00:06:42.680 --> 00:06:45.160 and they said that I was screaming my head off 99 00:06:45.360 --> 00:06:48.959 in the crib, and then after that my parents said, nope, 100 00:06:49.000 --> 00:06:51.240 we're out of here. That means they would have had 101 00:06:51.319 --> 00:06:54.879 stayed with one of their parents, which was not ideal 102 00:06:54.920 --> 00:06:57.439 for either or them. I said, I don't remember it, 103 00:06:58.199 --> 00:07:05.519 but I've gone back since twice, and both times i've 104 00:07:05.600 --> 00:07:08.480 been back doing the tour because they do guided tours, 105 00:07:08.560 --> 00:07:13.639 they do haunted tours on the basement stairs. I've had 106 00:07:13.720 --> 00:07:19.199 something break. First time was my shoe sandal strap broke, 107 00:07:19.759 --> 00:07:21.519 and it wasn't like it was an old pair of shoe, 108 00:07:22.079 --> 00:07:24.879 it was a very new pair of shoe. The next 109 00:07:25.000 --> 00:07:27.800 one was my one of my purse strats, had broken, 110 00:07:29.319 --> 00:07:32.000 and I'm like, okay, obviously they don't want me going. 111 00:07:32.879 --> 00:07:36.319 There was something there, and I asked my dad a 112 00:07:36.399 --> 00:07:38.879 couple of days ago, I said, Dad, can you tell 113 00:07:38.879 --> 00:07:40.720 me any things? He's like, well, why don't you ESCA. 114 00:07:41.160 --> 00:07:43.800 It's like I said, my parents, my family, they don't 115 00:07:43.839 --> 00:07:47.000 want to talk for some reason. They are very hesitant 116 00:07:47.079 --> 00:07:52.759 to talk about it. And apparently on that same staircase, 117 00:07:53.199 --> 00:07:58.000 my dad had told me my mother had her hair 118 00:07:58.120 --> 00:08:00.920 pulled and also had a scratch on the back of 119 00:08:00.959 --> 00:08:03.920 the neck. And this lines up with stories that have 120 00:08:04.079 --> 00:08:08.600 been told that there is a male presence in the 121 00:08:08.680 --> 00:08:13.480 basement that likes to go after females for some reason. 122 00:08:14.560 --> 00:08:16.879 And I just thought it was strange that both times 123 00:08:16.959 --> 00:08:20.800 I went back there that two things on me had broken. 124 00:08:21.759 --> 00:08:26.160 And I'm not saying I'm psychic or a median, but 125 00:08:26.279 --> 00:08:30.759 I feel stuffed. And I know if I have a 126 00:08:30.920 --> 00:08:35.240 very very heavy feeling, I know get out of there. 127 00:08:35.440 --> 00:08:38.080 And that was the feeling I very much got in there. 128 00:08:38.120 --> 00:08:40.519 I was like, Brian, I gotta go. So that was 129 00:08:40.639 --> 00:08:43.759 one of the stories I wanted to talk about. Another. 130 00:08:44.679 --> 00:08:48.279 When we were young, I always had this thing where 131 00:08:48.360 --> 00:08:53.679 I could see things that other people couldn't see, couldn't feel. 132 00:08:54.039 --> 00:08:57.679 I remembered stuff that I shouldn't have, like living in England, 133 00:08:59.279 --> 00:09:03.279 like the layout of the Jolly Roger, a pizza shop 134 00:09:03.320 --> 00:09:07.120 where my mom worked, or the sweet shop where my 135 00:09:07.240 --> 00:09:10.639 parents would take us, and always having, you know, just 136 00:09:11.080 --> 00:09:13.960 these weird kind of fears that I shouldn't have had. 137 00:09:14.559 --> 00:09:18.159 My parents always thought were weird too. One in England 138 00:09:18.799 --> 00:09:22.039 was the manor House in Newberry and the White Lady, 139 00:09:22.919 --> 00:09:26.039 and my older siblings of course, who are always trying 140 00:09:26.080 --> 00:09:28.679 to get me to do really crazy stuff as a 141 00:09:28.720 --> 00:09:32.440 young child, got me out at night and we went 142 00:09:32.519 --> 00:09:36.639 and were spying on the manor House in Newberry, and 143 00:09:37.039 --> 00:09:38.799 I could just swear I saw the White Lady, but 144 00:09:38.919 --> 00:09:42.080 again I was very young. I may have or may 145 00:09:42.120 --> 00:09:44.919 have been enfluenced by that, but that was an interesting, 146 00:09:45.559 --> 00:09:49.360 very so. Another one I was about to talk about 147 00:09:49.519 --> 00:09:54.960 was our house, another house in Pensacola, and my parents 148 00:09:55.000 --> 00:09:59.559 were more divorced, my mother was staying at It happened 149 00:09:59.559 --> 00:10:03.639 to be one for cousin's house and she was rented 150 00:10:03.679 --> 00:10:07.240 it to my mother, And I always remembered this feeling 151 00:10:07.440 --> 00:10:11.960 of just heaviness and I didn't want to be alone 152 00:10:13.039 --> 00:10:17.000 and so in the kitchen there was one counter and 153 00:10:17.159 --> 00:10:20.960 it had the cabinets above and a tile countertop below. 154 00:10:21.600 --> 00:10:24.600 Had hooks on the top cabinet where you could hang 155 00:10:24.720 --> 00:10:30.720 up your mugs, your coffee, your teacups. And every time 156 00:10:30.799 --> 00:10:35.039 we would try to either hang something like a coffee 157 00:10:35.080 --> 00:10:37.720 cup or a mug up on one of these things, 158 00:10:37.799 --> 00:10:40.919 it would end up falling. And every time we'd put 159 00:10:41.000 --> 00:10:45.080 something on the tile countertop, it would slide off and fall. 160 00:10:45.519 --> 00:10:48.679 I remember my stepfather, was my mom's boyfriend at time, 161 00:10:48.879 --> 00:10:53.120 leveled it off, and I remember just being afraid to 162 00:10:53.159 --> 00:10:56.679 be alone in that house. It was terrifying. Later on 163 00:10:57.279 --> 00:10:59.679 living in Maine actually, which is one of the creepiest 164 00:10:59.720 --> 00:11:04.440 places you ever lived, mean, was in bar Harbor, me. 165 00:11:05.200 --> 00:11:07.720 I remember asking my mom, I said, Mom, have you 166 00:11:07.759 --> 00:11:10.480 ever lived in haunted house? And I was like eight 167 00:11:10.559 --> 00:11:14.279 years old time, and she was like, uh, yes, Waittie, 168 00:11:14.279 --> 00:11:17.639 And I said, was it this one house? She said absolutely, 169 00:11:18.200 --> 00:11:20.320 And I was like, why didn't she tell me I 170 00:11:20.440 --> 00:11:22.200 was always afraid in that house? She's like, because I 171 00:11:22.240 --> 00:11:24.799 didn't want scary. God bless my mother. She was a 172 00:11:24.840 --> 00:11:29.399 wonderful woman, you know. And I've had different little experiences 173 00:11:29.759 --> 00:11:34.440 from time from living in Maine, Chicago, California. But another 174 00:11:34.519 --> 00:11:37.840 thing I want to talk about is and this is 175 00:11:38.000 --> 00:11:40.200 something you know a lot of people like to say 176 00:11:40.320 --> 00:11:43.679 the Christian and they believe in Jesus and God, but 177 00:11:43.879 --> 00:11:46.759 when they say they don't believe in the devil and Satan. 178 00:11:47.360 --> 00:11:50.879 I've had my experiences with that. I was born very 179 00:11:51.000 --> 00:11:55.600 much cradle Catholic. My parents were my family's Catholic, So 180 00:11:56.120 --> 00:11:58.919 you know, I went through the motions and all the 181 00:11:59.080 --> 00:12:02.720 mass stuff, and you know, I did that for a 182 00:12:02.840 --> 00:12:09.360 very long time. And in California, in Morgan Hill, I 183 00:12:09.639 --> 00:12:12.759 had lost my faith. A lot of bad stuff happened 184 00:12:12.840 --> 00:12:19.240 to sexual abuse, physical abuse, mental abuse, and I had 185 00:12:19.399 --> 00:12:22.799 very much lost my faith. And you know, I did 186 00:12:22.840 --> 00:12:26.279 all the questions, Oh, well, if there's a God, why 187 00:12:26.399 --> 00:12:29.039 is he letting all this bad stuff happen? Where is he? 188 00:12:30.480 --> 00:12:33.360 You know? Why me? So I was asking a lot 189 00:12:33.399 --> 00:12:37.399 of wrong questions and I lost my faith. So let me. 190 00:12:37.799 --> 00:12:42.399 I turned to being I guess, kind of atheistic, but 191 00:12:42.679 --> 00:12:46.360 I still I still wanted to have that belief in something. 192 00:12:46.960 --> 00:12:53.480 And that's when I was introduced to Anton LeVay. And 193 00:12:53.639 --> 00:12:57.559 if anybody knows who he is, easily or the Satanic Church. 194 00:12:58.039 --> 00:13:01.720 I started reading his stuff. I read The Black Bible 195 00:13:01.919 --> 00:13:05.720 and other of his books, and a lot of people say, well, well, 196 00:13:05.879 --> 00:13:09.600 Anton LaVey, he was more of an atheist, and that's 197 00:13:09.840 --> 00:13:15.759 not really true. And going to San Francisco and Satanic Church, 198 00:13:15.919 --> 00:13:20.360 I can tell you that's not really true. So I 199 00:13:20.480 --> 00:13:24.080 had got in some trouble in California. My mother sent 200 00:13:24.240 --> 00:13:27.000 me to live with my dad back here in Florida, 201 00:13:27.720 --> 00:13:32.279 and you know, I got into a certain crowd of 202 00:13:32.519 --> 00:13:36.559 like minded people and one of those people was a 203 00:13:37.639 --> 00:13:41.519 teenage boyfriend. He said, well, let's get you a spirit guide. 204 00:13:41.960 --> 00:13:45.639 And as a Native America, I'm like, cool, yeah, spirit guide, Yes, 205 00:13:45.840 --> 00:13:50.960 he'd one. So I did the out of body experience, 206 00:13:51.200 --> 00:13:55.320 saw the silver Line, and I thought I came back 207 00:13:55.879 --> 00:14:00.840 with a spirit guide. Things started happening for me like 208 00:14:01.360 --> 00:14:04.240 that I would just want it would happen. And there's 209 00:14:04.360 --> 00:14:08.000 one specific This is in high school last my freshman year, 210 00:14:08.399 --> 00:14:12.440 and you know, I was dressing very goth, which I'm 211 00:14:12.480 --> 00:14:15.279 not saying is involved that, but you know it was 212 00:14:15.879 --> 00:14:20.759 nineties and I was dressing early goth, wearing upside down crosses, 213 00:14:21.039 --> 00:14:27.000 wearing you know, the fanet symbol, and this girl I 214 00:14:27.080 --> 00:14:28.919 remember she was a class spand of mine. She came 215 00:14:29.039 --> 00:14:32.080 up to me and she started preaching to me, and 216 00:14:32.159 --> 00:14:36.639 then she whipped out her cross at a metal cross 217 00:14:36.679 --> 00:14:39.320 that was on her necklace and pointed it to me. 218 00:14:40.080 --> 00:14:43.679 And I was looking at the same right, right right, 219 00:14:44.039 --> 00:14:46.240 and all of a sudden it snapped in half. And 220 00:14:46.759 --> 00:14:51.320 I had two other people that were you know, friends 221 00:14:51.399 --> 00:14:54.039 with the see it and they were they were laughing, 222 00:14:54.159 --> 00:14:58.120 and then I started laughing this poor girl she ran off. 223 00:14:58.960 --> 00:15:00.759 So yeah, like I said, all of stuff that I 224 00:15:00.879 --> 00:15:04.279 was wanting to happen was happening, and I thought it 225 00:15:04.399 --> 00:15:08.080 was a spirit guide. And my not my oldest brother, 226 00:15:08.200 --> 00:15:11.320 my second older brother who was living in Virginia, who 227 00:15:11.480 --> 00:15:13.480 was in the navy. He was part of my coven. 228 00:15:15.000 --> 00:15:18.480 He was waking. He you know, had no idea. He 229 00:15:18.600 --> 00:15:21.720 called up my dad and he said, Dad, what is 230 00:15:21.840 --> 00:15:27.240 this black cloud hanging around the house. And my dad, 231 00:15:27.600 --> 00:15:30.919 who is old daty of Americans, like you sense it too, 232 00:15:32.159 --> 00:15:36.919 and he goes yeah, and my brother goes, it's hanging 233 00:15:36.919 --> 00:15:43.200 around sonny, and my dad goes yeah. So at that point, 234 00:15:43.879 --> 00:15:48.159 my dad, did you know, started doing prayers and my 235 00:15:48.279 --> 00:15:52.679 brother with his cousin started doing scrying and called back 236 00:15:52.720 --> 00:15:55.000 my dad. He said, Dad, that's the son of ghost. 237 00:15:55.399 --> 00:15:58.120 That's demon. And my dad said, I think you're right, 238 00:15:58.840 --> 00:16:01.600 and he said, Dad, let her have what she wants 239 00:16:02.639 --> 00:16:06.919 until it's ready to take her. And so my dad, 240 00:16:07.039 --> 00:16:10.120 you know, got together with our local priests started doing me. 241 00:16:10.639 --> 00:16:14.639 Because I wasn't possessed at that point, I just had 242 00:16:14.840 --> 00:16:18.039 this demon hanging around me again, thinking it was a 243 00:16:18.639 --> 00:16:24.840 just spirit guide. And my brother's covin were doing rituals 244 00:16:25.480 --> 00:16:30.039 to banish this thing, and finally they did. And after that, 245 00:16:30.200 --> 00:16:33.320 you know, I noticed that now everything I could do 246 00:16:33.440 --> 00:16:37.559 I couldn't do. When we finally talked about it and 247 00:16:38.080 --> 00:16:40.480 he banished my spirit guid and they're like, no, we 248 00:16:40.679 --> 00:16:44.879 banished a demon. My brother and my father explained it 249 00:16:45.000 --> 00:16:49.200 to me. Oh my god, he's saying, I had as 250 00:16:49.320 --> 00:16:52.279 somebody who looked who you know, read Aunt Holloway, going, 251 00:16:52.399 --> 00:16:56.720 oh my god, so very crazy. Like I said, I 252 00:16:56.840 --> 00:16:58.919 know I'm crazy, but I'm not that kind of crazy. 253 00:16:59.120 --> 00:17:04.200 I questioned my son all the time, I didn't have witnesses. Yeah, 254 00:17:04.200 --> 00:17:10.640 I've had different experiences with talking random spirits. I've since 255 00:17:11.039 --> 00:17:15.519 learned how to block it out. In my late twenties 256 00:17:15.640 --> 00:17:19.079 early thirties, because I just I couldn't take it anymore. 257 00:17:19.200 --> 00:17:22.000 That's how I knew I couldn't really be atheist. I'm like, 258 00:17:22.160 --> 00:17:25.559 I know there's something else, you know. I did have 259 00:17:25.759 --> 00:17:29.519 my moment. It was one of just a dark moment 260 00:17:29.640 --> 00:17:33.240 in my life that I just found myself in my 261 00:17:33.400 --> 00:17:38.000 garage of where I was living, crying and I felt 262 00:17:38.039 --> 00:17:41.720 the greatest love and I knew it was God that 263 00:17:41.960 --> 00:17:44.079 came and wrapped his songs around me and said I 264 00:17:44.160 --> 00:17:46.880 still got you. You didn't sell your soul. Your soul 265 00:17:46.960 --> 00:17:50.759 belongs to me. It always had and I've been so 266 00:17:50.920 --> 00:17:54.240 grateful ever since. You know, I say I'm a Catholic 267 00:17:54.319 --> 00:17:57.319 for community, but yes I am a Christian and I 268 00:17:57.480 --> 00:17:59.920 do try and reach out to people who say that 269 00:18:00.160 --> 00:18:02.279 or Christians said, well, yeah, I believe in God ches, 270 00:18:02.359 --> 00:18:07.119 but I don't believe in the devil. And I'm like, oh, 271 00:18:07.480 --> 00:18:12.000 you need to, so okay. So another one was living 272 00:18:12.240 --> 00:18:17.799 here in the Panhandle area, me and us in high school. 273 00:18:18.000 --> 00:18:23.039 My sophomore year of high school, me and a group 274 00:18:23.160 --> 00:18:25.799 of my close friends that lived in the area. We 275 00:18:25.920 --> 00:18:29.680 were going to be like the Craft. We started in 276 00:18:29.799 --> 00:18:34.960 Covin and we had a field that was behind a 277 00:18:35.079 --> 00:18:38.279 couple of houses. That's a huge feel with one large, 278 00:18:38.400 --> 00:18:42.039 big tree. Un that's where we'd go and do our 279 00:18:42.079 --> 00:18:47.079 little ceremonies. And it's actually a miracle because one of 280 00:18:47.119 --> 00:18:51.640 the girls had picked snake to be her animal imagery. 281 00:18:52.440 --> 00:18:56.920 And one day, walking back after going to a local 282 00:18:57.000 --> 00:19:01.359 convenience store, we saw some little baby snakes and around 283 00:19:02.119 --> 00:19:05.880 and I taught one of them in a bag. Thankfully 284 00:19:05.960 --> 00:19:07.799 I didn't get big because when I brought it home, 285 00:19:07.920 --> 00:19:10.839 my dad looked at me and goes, that's copperhead. If 286 00:19:10.880 --> 00:19:12.799 that would have bit, you could have been dead before 287 00:19:12.799 --> 00:19:16.960 you got here. So yeah, we did all that. And 288 00:19:18.000 --> 00:19:22.480 there was a cemetery extremely close to where we lived, 289 00:19:23.079 --> 00:19:26.480 like lake down the street, and so a few of 290 00:19:26.599 --> 00:19:30.880 us decided to go and check it out do our 291 00:19:30.960 --> 00:19:35.039 little you know things. And as a Native American, and 292 00:19:35.160 --> 00:19:37.279 there's something my dad taught me as a Native American, 293 00:19:37.400 --> 00:19:40.079 if you're not invited to an cemetery, do not go 294 00:19:40.200 --> 00:19:44.440 into them. You will be followed. And we got followed. 295 00:19:45.160 --> 00:19:48.799 My parents were still at work, my little brothers were 296 00:19:48.880 --> 00:19:54.160 still with their grandparents, and I was home alone. After 297 00:19:54.279 --> 00:19:56.960 we've been to the cemetery, and I went and got 298 00:19:57.000 --> 00:19:59.240 a shower. I had it on I think it was 299 00:20:00.039 --> 00:20:03.599 TV at the time, and they went and got a shower, 300 00:20:04.039 --> 00:20:10.240 came back out, and the TV was saying, three stations down, 301 00:20:11.720 --> 00:20:15.079 that's weird. And then all of a sudden, I heard 302 00:20:15.119 --> 00:20:18.279 a knock, not at the front door, not at the window, 303 00:20:18.839 --> 00:20:21.839 not at the back door, but at the door leading 304 00:20:21.920 --> 00:20:25.839 to the garage. There's nobody. It was three big bangs, 305 00:20:26.240 --> 00:20:28.799 and I'm like, I almost started crying at that point. 306 00:20:28.920 --> 00:20:31.319 And then the light started flickering, and then I started 307 00:20:31.400 --> 00:20:36.880 hearing bangings everywhere in the house, and I just I 308 00:20:37.039 --> 00:20:40.839 crouched under a desk of the computer desk and just 309 00:20:41.279 --> 00:20:45.759 stayed there, just crying until finally my stepmother came home 310 00:20:45.920 --> 00:20:48.559 and I was hysterical, and she goes, what's wrong. What's wrong? 311 00:20:48.640 --> 00:20:52.960 I said, there's something there, There's something there, and she goes, 312 00:20:53.240 --> 00:20:57.640 did you bring home? I said, I don't know. And 313 00:20:58.240 --> 00:21:02.160 I later talked to my friends and they also had 314 00:21:02.240 --> 00:21:07.960 different experience. One they saw me outside their house calling 315 00:21:08.079 --> 00:21:11.480 to me. I was like, I definitely wasn't there. I 316 00:21:11.640 --> 00:21:14.839 was hiding under her desk at that point. And another 317 00:21:14.960 --> 00:21:19.279 one she had almost the same experience with knockings and 318 00:21:19.400 --> 00:21:25.359 even her little sister had heard it, and after that 319 00:21:25.759 --> 00:21:29.880 we stayed away from that cemetery. Like I said, I've 320 00:21:30.000 --> 00:21:37.640 had multiple experience talking to random deceased individuals. Another one 321 00:21:38.359 --> 00:21:43.720 was when my dad's father died. My dad's father had 322 00:21:43.799 --> 00:21:49.640 abused me and my sister as children, so you know, 323 00:21:50.000 --> 00:21:52.400 and I considered him when I was a child my 324 00:21:52.880 --> 00:21:58.680 best friend. I trust him above anybody else, and I 325 00:21:58.920 --> 00:22:02.240 kept the secret of my abuse, thinking if it only 326 00:22:02.359 --> 00:22:05.599 happened to me, it's fine, I can handle it. When 327 00:22:05.640 --> 00:22:08.119 I found out it also happened to my older sister, 328 00:22:08.400 --> 00:22:12.039 I had to say so he came out and he 329 00:22:12.200 --> 00:22:17.440 didn't eventually admit that he did it, and we hadn't 330 00:22:17.480 --> 00:22:22.119 seen him for years and years. I hadn't seen him 331 00:22:22.440 --> 00:22:27.359 for a very long time and had to be when 332 00:22:27.720 --> 00:22:31.359 I was trying to think how old I was late twenties, 333 00:22:31.440 --> 00:22:36.960 early thirties. My dad had called me on his birthday, 334 00:22:37.240 --> 00:22:40.880 my dad's birthday, and said my father's passed away. And 335 00:22:41.960 --> 00:22:43.599 I had a good freak out that night because I 336 00:22:43.599 --> 00:22:46.880 didn't know how I would do. But also that night, 337 00:22:47.319 --> 00:22:51.160 sleeping next to my husband, I was my nose got 338 00:22:51.240 --> 00:22:54.319 filled with a smell I had smelled and forever it 339 00:22:54.440 --> 00:22:55.839 was colone he used to wear. 340 00:22:55.920 --> 00:22:56.319 I can't. 341 00:22:56.680 --> 00:22:58.720 It was one of those kind of weird, kind of 342 00:22:58.839 --> 00:23:03.920 seventies her late seventies, early eighties, weird looking helone bottles 343 00:23:05.200 --> 00:23:07.640 and it's a clown he always wore. And then I 344 00:23:07.759 --> 00:23:11.759 felt a hand on my head, on the side of 345 00:23:11.799 --> 00:23:14.839 my head, I was laying on the other side, and 346 00:23:15.240 --> 00:23:18.960 I heard his voice and I heard him say, be 347 00:23:19.160 --> 00:23:22.839 these things. She's forgiven me. B was my grandmother's nickname. 348 00:23:23.359 --> 00:23:25.200 And then I heard her voice and I said, I 349 00:23:25.319 --> 00:23:29.200 know she has because I had forgiven him. That didn't 350 00:23:29.240 --> 00:23:32.599 mean I forgot it. I had forgiven him. And even 351 00:23:32.759 --> 00:23:39.759 after his funeral, which my husband reluctantly went with me too, 352 00:23:39.839 --> 00:23:43.960 we went to the beach afterwards and I started crying 353 00:23:44.160 --> 00:23:47.599 and laughing, and my husband came up to me and said, 354 00:23:48.319 --> 00:23:52.039 what's going on. I said, say, stupid wallaby story he 355 00:23:52.160 --> 00:23:54.880 told me from when he was in the Korean War 356 00:23:55.079 --> 00:23:57.440 and he got surprised and lost his son from a 357 00:23:57.480 --> 00:24:02.960 wallaby and he's like, I'm I think we're good now. 358 00:24:03.759 --> 00:24:07.640 And ever since then, you know, I've definitely had. 359 00:24:09.039 --> 00:24:11.319 My real, real truth forgetness of it. 360 00:24:11.960 --> 00:24:14.480 So those a couple of stories I wanted to share 361 00:24:14.559 --> 00:24:14.799 with you. 362 00:24:15.400 --> 00:24:20.240 That's wonderful, Sonny. So you've pretty much gone full circle now. 363 00:24:20.559 --> 00:24:24.119 Yeah, I definitely have. It's you know, it's it's about 364 00:24:24.200 --> 00:24:26.000 growing and learning and experiences. 365 00:24:26.640 --> 00:24:30.519 So you started off cradle Catholic and you took a 366 00:24:30.559 --> 00:24:33.599 bit of a detour and went a big detour, that 367 00:24:33.720 --> 00:24:37.079 big detour in fact. Yeah, and you got involved in 368 00:24:37.160 --> 00:24:40.559 the Satanic church and things of that nature. And you've 369 00:24:40.720 --> 00:24:42.680 now come back around now. 370 00:24:43.160 --> 00:24:46.039 Oh yeah, definitely, because you know, when I've seen God's 371 00:24:46.119 --> 00:24:49.319 miracles and work. My mother she was a bless her soul. 372 00:24:49.599 --> 00:24:53.440 She was the biggest prayer warrior. It took cancer three 373 00:24:53.519 --> 00:24:56.039 times to kill her and she never smoked a day 374 00:24:56.039 --> 00:24:59.920 in her life. She I blamed her for my second 375 00:25:00.119 --> 00:25:03.680 son because she was praying for more grandchildren and what not. 376 00:25:03.880 --> 00:25:07.440 Me and my little sister's like having done. And then 377 00:25:07.599 --> 00:25:09.240 she prayed a little too wide because both me and 378 00:25:09.359 --> 00:25:12.000 my little sister got bring it the power of prayer. 379 00:25:12.359 --> 00:25:15.119 She was definitely a prayer warrior, and she's come to 380 00:25:15.200 --> 00:25:18.039 me in dreams. The other night, I had dreaming role 381 00:25:18.119 --> 00:25:21.359 on the and with tropical vacation and then she was 382 00:25:21.519 --> 00:25:23.599 leaving I'm like, hold on, mom, wait, wait, wait, we're 383 00:25:23.640 --> 00:25:25.039 coming with you. She goes, No, you can't he know 384 00:25:25.079 --> 00:25:25.880 where I'm going yet. 385 00:25:26.359 --> 00:25:29.039 It's quite often that you see that people which have 386 00:25:29.160 --> 00:25:33.119 suffered childhood trauma, they end up getting involved in the 387 00:25:33.160 --> 00:25:36.440 wrong crowd and going down this dark route. You know, 388 00:25:36.559 --> 00:25:38.880 you do see it with the younger generations. I mean, 389 00:25:38.920 --> 00:25:41.480 I've known people, I've I've got mixed up in your 390 00:25:41.519 --> 00:25:44.920 curt myself. But you see people time where they're kind 391 00:25:44.960 --> 00:25:49.079 of influenced by so many different factors. What advice would 392 00:25:49.160 --> 00:25:52.319 you give anyone that are of those kind of years 393 00:25:52.359 --> 00:25:55.200 and they've show an interest in things of a dark nature. 394 00:25:55.680 --> 00:25:58.680 Like I said, you know, people want to say, yeah, 395 00:25:59.000 --> 00:26:01.599 I believe there's God and there's Jesus, and I don't 396 00:26:01.599 --> 00:26:05.799 believe in the devil. There's I mean, Lucifer the morning Star, 397 00:26:06.359 --> 00:26:09.880 you know, the perfect love who turned away from God. 398 00:26:10.119 --> 00:26:12.880 And you don't think he's trying to deceive. And he 399 00:26:13.039 --> 00:26:17.839 doesn't come as some monstrous figure. He comes as a friend. 400 00:26:18.759 --> 00:26:22.359 I'm going to help you. I'm going to I understand you. 401 00:26:22.559 --> 00:26:25.519