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Speaker 3: Good afternoon, everybody, Welcome to Eye on the Ball here
Speaker 3: on Fox Sports fourteen fifty. I'm Steve Rivera. Nobody's guesting
Speaker 3: with me today, but I have my guy Juan with
Speaker 3: me today, so you're my new guest.
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Speaker 5: Glad to be here Another Friday, Another Friday.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, yes, you got control of the board, so
Speaker 3: we're in trusting to you.
Speaker 5: Uh what the Friday? You're gonna be busy tomorrownight. Yes,
Speaker 5: they're gonna be watching that showdown between the youth and
Speaker 5: the cats.
Speaker 3: You think they have you think? Hold on, I'm talking
Speaker 3: into something. Do you think Utah thinks since a showdown?
Speaker 3: I would think so.
Speaker 6: I don't think they go into any game thinking like
Speaker 6: it's gonna be okazy one.
Speaker 5: I think that's just their who they are. Yes, their
Speaker 5: program right.
Speaker 3: No, you surely don't want to look at Arizona as
Speaker 3: a show now because of what happened last year. But
Speaker 3: I know the internet has been buzzied all over, back
Speaker 3: and forth with the guys on Twitter and blah blah
Speaker 3: blah and the fans.
Speaker 5: Okay, stir the beast, then man, poke the bear. Do
Speaker 5: what you want.
Speaker 3: But it's strange if it's true and I didn't check
Speaker 3: it out, I guess the spread went up to eleven
Speaker 3: and a half twelve and it's back down to tennish.
Speaker 6: Really, I don't, did you. I haven't been keeping tracking.
Speaker 6: I had a friend tell me that it had been
Speaker 6: going back.
Speaker 3: And forth, back and forth. It went down to maybe tenny.
Speaker 3: I haven't checked, which is kind of strange. That means
Speaker 3: that Vegas knows something that's going on either here or there. Uh,
Speaker 3: and who knows what's happening here?
Speaker 5: Right?
Speaker 3: They keep things kind of tight. We don't get to
Speaker 3: see them very often, not that I go anyway anymore
Speaker 3: to go talk to the football team. So we'll see,
Speaker 3: I mean, because that two point swing is a lot.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, So we'll see what happens.
Speaker 3: If anybody wants to call us, I'll tell you who
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Speaker 5: You can call us anytime.
Speaker 3: Obviously, that well, not any Yeah, anytime, we even have guests,
Speaker 3: so you can ask questions of the guests. And today's
Speaker 3: guests are Jim liven Goood, former you of a AD
Speaker 3: a long time obviously, many years ago, twenty years ago
Speaker 3: or so, and then he was also the AD at
Speaker 3: un l V after Arizona, and there's a lot of
Speaker 3: things going on at UNLV.
Speaker 5: Obviously. We talked about this the last couple.
Speaker 3: Of days with the kid leaving three or four games
Speaker 3: in and actually and expecting more more money for this year.
Speaker 3: So we'll get his reaction to all that and just
Speaker 3: how the world of sports has changed, because I know
Speaker 3: another guy is his teammate, did the same thing, not
Speaker 3: so much about the money. And a guy Washington who's
Speaker 3: playing for for Jed I said, I'm out, yeah today, Yeah,
Speaker 3: he's guess where he was from. Guess where you transfer from. Yeah,
Speaker 3: who knows? You might come here be nice anyone. So
Speaker 3: and you need those type of players anyway. So there's that,
Speaker 3: and I'm sure it's going to continue to happen as
Speaker 3: we move forward. Okay, and then in the second hour
Speaker 3: we have our usual guests, Jake Fisher. We haven't talked
Speaker 3: to him in a couple of weeks, we'll talk to
Speaker 3: him about the football team, his reaction to the loss,
Speaker 3: and what's going on in the world of n I
Speaker 3: l If you remember, Jake was one of the not
Speaker 3: first he's not the Ed O'Bannon guy, but he's one
Speaker 3: of the guys here under Rich Rod that helped kind
Speaker 3: of continue the nil pay for play type of situation
Speaker 3: back in the day. We've talked to him a number
Speaker 3: of times. Sometimes he gets uncomfortable. We'll see what he's
Speaker 3: thinking now that the kids are arguing, hey, pay me
Speaker 3: or I'm out type of thing, threatening, type of you know,
Speaker 3: it depends who you believe on that story.
Speaker 5: Who do you believe?
Speaker 3: I mean, you have to think it's the player that
Speaker 3: he didn't get paid to what was promised.
Speaker 5: I don't know. I don't know.
Speaker 3: I also hear you know he got he got there.
Speaker 3: Uh is getting three thousand dollars a month, which is fine.
Speaker 3: I think everybody's getting that. Uh they go three and
Speaker 3: oh and now who has the advantage play the player?
Speaker 5: And if you want me to stay, we can stay.
Speaker 5: I'll stay.
Speaker 3: Did you see I'm not sure you have this sort
Speaker 3: of breaking news, But in Vegas, one of the casinos
Speaker 3: was gonna pay him one hundred thousand dollars.
Speaker 5: Really, I think I did see that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, casino is gonna pay him to stay and play.
Speaker 3: By that time, the damage had already been done with
Speaker 3: both the un l V and the kid. So and
Speaker 3: you know, he said, now we're not gonna do that.
Speaker 3: That that gives that's paying the hostage, you know, paying
Speaker 3: for the hostage. Uh, And there's no true winner. You
Speaker 3: get the body back, but then things are already damaged.
Speaker 6: Yeah, just sets a precedent, right for any anyone else
Speaker 6: to go and do that. Sure, that's sure. I don't
Speaker 6: I don't think that's what college sports would be about.
Speaker 6: I think they of course they're players, they work hard,
Speaker 6: they should be earning this money. But how they go
Speaker 6: about it? Yeah, right, there's a way. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Do you do you think having been a you're a
Speaker 3: student now there should there be a threshold? Should there
Speaker 3: be a limit to what they get?
Speaker 5: Or you get what you get? I think you get
Speaker 5: what you get.
Speaker 6: I think they should be happy with the fact that
Speaker 6: they're just getting stuff right in the first place.
Speaker 5: Right, But obviously one hundred thousand enough, there's life outside
Speaker 5: of college football.
Speaker 6: Sure, you got stuff to worry and think about and
Speaker 6: work for, So there might be something behind it all.
Speaker 6: For him, it might just be I need my money
Speaker 6: uh away for school. To look at him and say
Speaker 6: pick me, pick me?
Speaker 5: Yeah? Yeah, did you write anything about two this weekend's game?
Speaker 5: The preview? Yeah? What about the defense?
Speaker 6: We talked to Akina yesterday Johnson, Yeah.
Speaker 3: So what were the time of questions? What type of
Speaker 3: questions were asked of? He's and he's pretty good with
Speaker 3: stuff like that, even if you're getting tough with him.
Speaker 5: I don't know if anybody's got tough with them.
Speaker 6: But now he's he recognizes that the play hasn't been
Speaker 6: absolutely stellar, but the reality is they are two and one.
Speaker 6: They won quote unquote the first quarter of their season, right,
Speaker 6: I get that, And I liked this quote, and it's
Speaker 6: been out there. He talked about how last year this
Speaker 6: team loses to USC, they lose to Washington and the
Speaker 6: city's excited, but now they're going to lose to Kansas
Speaker 6: State and the world's ending.
Speaker 3: And isn't that true? Yeah? And that's how this place is.
Speaker 3: I think that's how any place is, especially when you
Speaker 3: have these high expectations. I saw something yesterday or this
Speaker 3: morning talking about the expectations have been lowered. Intend did
Speaker 3: someone say that a quote yesterday for football?
Speaker 5: For football? No, No, it's been raised. No, No, this
Speaker 5: year it's been raised. What do you mean? Yeah, I
Speaker 5: think I think the expectations have been raised.
Speaker 6: You know, you bring back a majority of last year's
Speaker 6: team and they went ten and three.
Speaker 5: They I think there's a.
Speaker 6: Lot of there's been a lot of overreaction to the
Speaker 6: Kansas State game, in my opinion, by the fans.
Speaker 5: Yes fans, okay.
Speaker 3: But I saw something maybe it was a goay see
Speaker 3: quoting somebody about the expectations.
Speaker 5: I know Kena talked about it, and what did he say.
Speaker 6: He said that those standards and the the expectations have
Speaker 6: risen because of last year, because of the hard work
Speaker 6: that they did. Rightfully, so, but you know, Kansas State's
Speaker 6: a good team. They're a good team. I think I
Speaker 6: think it wouldn't have been such an overreaction if we
Speaker 6: had had been a little closer score, if we had
Speaker 6: taken it to the fourth quarter. But it is what
Speaker 6: it is, and now we gotta go to Salt Lake tomorrow. Right,
Speaker 6: did I hear we?
Speaker 5: Yes?
Speaker 6: Unfortunately, I heard that too. As soon as I said it,
Speaker 6: I reckon.
Speaker 5: I get it.
Speaker 3: You don't have to hook with me because you are
Speaker 3: a student. But that when you're writing, right, that when
Speaker 3: you're writing, I get that. So there's that. No, that's fine.
Speaker 3: I think they have changed, though I don't know. I
Speaker 3: have to find that quote where the expectations have changed
Speaker 3: because of what's happened.
Speaker 5: And I know it's overreaction.
Speaker 3: There's no question that was overreaction to that loss, because
Speaker 3: I'm one of those believers and I brought this thought
Speaker 3: to here to me for a long, a long time ago.
Speaker 3: It's how you play that day, and Arizona didn't play
Speaker 3: that well that day.
Speaker 5: Things could change.
Speaker 3: Tomorrow and they can play out of their minds and
Speaker 3: win the game and then guess what, everybody who said
Speaker 3: it's over, hell with you. And then guess what a
Speaker 3: week later they could poop the bed again and then
Speaker 3: here we go again. And it's just the way it is.
Speaker 3: I see it in basketball. I've seen it in basketball
Speaker 3: a number of years where they win these big games.
Speaker 3: I'll tell you last year. Last year, and you're a fan,
Speaker 3: we didn't know going in how good Arizona basketball was
Speaker 3: going to be right. We just didn't know. Caleb had
Speaker 3: just shown up, Bradley had just shown up. He joined
Speaker 3: a few of the other guys. There was a few
Speaker 3: newcomers to the program. And you're thinking, oh, okay, how good,
Speaker 3: and then what happened and you go and beat Duke
Speaker 3: at Duke and what happens everything in flights.
Speaker 5: Everyone loves Arizona basketball, Arizona exactly.
Speaker 3: They're gonna win, They're gonna get back to the Final four,
Speaker 3: YadA YadA.
Speaker 5: And we've seen this. I've seen it.
Speaker 3: I've been here thirty seven years, cover the team for
Speaker 3: twenty five directly, and it happens all the time.
Speaker 5: And it's the worst.
Speaker 3: The worst thing to me last year was they and
Speaker 3: pardon me, anybody who's listening, was they beat Duke. Because
Speaker 3: now you have to you start thinking, oh, these guys
Speaker 3: are unbeatable, unbelievable, and that's not true because it's what
Speaker 3: November eighth, I think it was November eighth, and then
Speaker 3: you have December, January, February, March, four months of having
Speaker 3: to stay at that level. Not gonna happen. Luke couldn't
Speaker 3: do it, Sean couldn't do it. Anybody since it can't
Speaker 3: do it, won't be able to do it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it just doesn't work that way. And now we're
Speaker 5: in the.
Speaker 3: Big twelve, and now you're in the Big twelve, and
Speaker 3: it's going to be very, very difficult. It's going to
Speaker 3: be do games weekly type of games, right right, right right.
Speaker 3: That schedule looks tough though. Good luck to them, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: And they're no shame in losing, no shame in losing.
Speaker 5: We talked about this yesterday.
Speaker 3: I had Bruce Pascal on and I thought he made
Speaker 3: a good observation in the morning again with me on
Speaker 3: the show, that it's going to be great to be
Speaker 3: in this league. The final four weekends are going to
Speaker 3: be brutal right, they're gonna be on the road, and
Speaker 3: they could be finishing third, fourth, fifth in the league
Speaker 3: and teams like that, and you're thinking, Okay, they're in
Speaker 3: the Big twelve, they're in the Big twelve. They have
Speaker 3: maybe a better chance of winning the NCAA tournament because
Speaker 3: they are in the Big twelve. I don't think. And
Speaker 3: Bruce pointed out that if you go to history, that
Speaker 3: doesn't always work. The guys, the teams that finished the third,
Speaker 3: fourth and fifth are third, fourth, and fifth place finishers.
Speaker 3: Just because you get beat up in the Big twelve
Speaker 3: doesn't make you that much better to go play. In fact,
Speaker 3: they might be tiring you out. So you look at
Speaker 3: one way, you look at the other. We won't know
Speaker 3: until we know, right, and then the march when they
Speaker 3: get beat or if they get beat you think maybe
Speaker 3: that league is a little too tough, or because you
Speaker 3: get beat up and if people get.
Speaker 5: Hurt, then you're thinking.
Speaker 3: But then you're coming off of a Pack twelve season
Speaker 3: where you go, let's say twenty six and five or whatever,
Speaker 3: and you're thinking the Gonzaga approach. You're thinking, maybe we
Speaker 3: didn't play tough enough teams to get ready for the tournament.
Speaker 3: So you look at it one way, look at the other.
Speaker 3: There's really no right answer, right, you know Vegas when
Speaker 3: they went and they won, and then a year later
Speaker 3: they didn't play very many teams or they were undefeated
Speaker 3: and they get beat by Duke the year later after
Speaker 3: they beat Duke, well they should have on that day,
Speaker 3: Duke was better the previous year.
Speaker 5: On that day, un l V was better.
Speaker 6: Exactly what And there might be a similar conversation this year.
Speaker 6: Last year, Arizona was better this year, sure, of course,
Speaker 6: of course, and we'll get to that. I'm just I'm
Speaker 6: thrilled for the fans that have waited a long time
Speaker 6: to see and pay for.
Speaker 5: A great home schedule.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because that's what this is going to be, minus
Speaker 3: minus the Kansas game.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know.
Speaker 6: And there's no reason for mchil not to have an emptyc.
Speaker 5: Right, there's no right to this year. Yeah. Yeah, and
Speaker 5: you've seen it.
Speaker 3: You've seen you Your first year was was one Tommy's
Speaker 3: first year.
Speaker 5: But did you go to games when Sean was there? No,
Speaker 5: went to a couple.
Speaker 3: But his last few years were like that where it was,
Speaker 3: you know, twelve thousand, blah blah blah. They may have
Speaker 3: said it was sold out. Okay, maybe they were sold out,
Speaker 3: but the people weren't in there. No. Yeah, and because
Speaker 3: they weren't that good. They weren't that good. And Tucson
Speaker 3: loves a winner.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you have to. You have to look good too.
Speaker 6: You can can win all you want, but if it's
Speaker 6: a all right, that team just wasn't that good type
Speaker 6: of win, right, No one necessarily wants to see They
Speaker 6: want to see high flying entertainment. Yeah, big wins, big threes,
Speaker 6: all over the place, big donks stuff like that.
Speaker 3: Sure they want to win, but they also want to
Speaker 3: be entertained exactly. Yeah, So we'll see what happens with that.
Speaker 3: I think the women are getting have gotten to that
Speaker 3: point too, now that they've got a nice fan base.
Speaker 5: And did you cover.
Speaker 3: Anything like that previously previously with women's basketball.
Speaker 6: I haven't been able to cover it so far, but
Speaker 6: I've followed it, and I think the teams is team
Speaker 6: yours team is going to be interesting because because they
Speaker 6: bring back a lot of experience, in my opinion, a
Speaker 6: lot of young experience, if that makes sense.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and.
Speaker 6: That's what talked about earlier this week. They brought back
Speaker 6: a corps. They went to the tournament last year. They
Speaker 6: got that experience. So I think even though they're in
Speaker 6: the Big twelve, they should be front team to watch.
Speaker 5: Right, no questions.
Speaker 3: And then she has some probably experience on how to
Speaker 3: handle the team better. Yeah, whether she does or what,
Speaker 3: we'll see. Okay, Hey, let's take the break here and
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Speaker 3: Hey, welcome back to eying the ball here on Fox
Speaker 3: Sports fourteen fifty. I'm Steve Riverta. Now on the phone.
Speaker 3: We have former you of aa D GYM Live and
Speaker 3: good Jim. How the heck are you?
Speaker 14: Steve? I'm great. Hopefully you and Jay are doing great too.
Speaker 14: I know you are.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're doing fine. But let me break some news
Speaker 3: to you here. Jay is no longer my full time partner,
Speaker 3: so he's not in with me today.
Speaker 14: You know what I heard that or read dad or
Speaker 14: saw that somewhere. Steve, this man alive.
Speaker 3: He had to he and nothing. He's gonna be my
Speaker 3: guest when we go to the casino. But you know,
Speaker 3: in this big world of money, he had to go
Speaker 3: get like a real job.
Speaker 14: Oh, Steve. Terrible when people have to get real jo it.
Speaker 3: Sucks, Jim, you know how that goes. You know, Hey,
Speaker 3: I'm going to audition you for a co host. Come on,
Speaker 3: come up north, Hey, Steve Rivera, anytime that'd be.
Speaker 5: That's fantastic. We could go back and forth.
Speaker 3: You know, you remember when Jim you didn't want to
Speaker 3: talk to me aunt quote you remember Steve, you treated
Speaker 3: me even fairly. We can go back like you're you're
Speaker 3: the you're the best I love it and that and
Speaker 3: I think the world of you.
Speaker 4: You know that.
Speaker 3: Well, thank you, Jim. I appreciate the last time we
Speaker 3: let me see this. Every time we talk to you, Okay,
Speaker 3: we say goodbye, Jim, be well, we know you're enjoying
Speaker 3: your your your your you're not your vacation, but your retirement.
Speaker 3: Things get more katawampy. They're all messed up.
Speaker 14: Now.
Speaker 5: We have a kid in Vegas, your old stomping grounds.
Speaker 3: Leaving because the money wasn't paid, you.
Speaker 14: Know, Steve, It's it's just absolutely crazy. And I mentioned
Speaker 14: earlier briefly that you know, we're up in Phoenix right
Speaker 14: now with Linda's sister and her husband. But the thing
Speaker 14: in in Las Vegas, the thing with the rebels is crazy.
Speaker 14: And I just you know, everybody's got an opinion, and
Speaker 14: I've seen all kinds of comments, you know, on one
Speaker 14: side of the other side, and in terms of contractual
Speaker 14: agreements that weren't met, or at least verbal agreements that
Speaker 14: weren't met. But man, three games into the season, I
Speaker 14: seem but I just wonder if this isn't kind of
Speaker 14: the opening of the damn with the NIF situation.
Speaker 3: You know, darn well it is because because it's just crazy.
Speaker 3: And let me ask you, and I don't know if
Speaker 3: you know the answer to this. And I've said this
Speaker 3: after Arizona lost to Kansas State. So Jim liven Goood
Speaker 3: gets this nil deal with whomever, whether it's the school
Speaker 3: or mister businessman in Tucson. He gets this fifty thousand dollars. Okay,
Speaker 3: you know I'm gonna I want you to come and
Speaker 3: play for Arizona. You're here for Arizona. I want to
Speaker 3: keep you here. When do you get paid?
Speaker 5: One?
Speaker 3: And Two, If Jim liven Good gets paid the first
Speaker 3: week of the season, what in the world do we
Speaker 3: expect from him if he's already been paid?
Speaker 14: Steve the crazy thing about that, And as I understand it,
Speaker 14: and having a visit with a lot of people, not
Speaker 14: just in Tucson, but certainly regionally and nationally, the payment
Speaker 14: schedule typically with many places, most places is on a
Speaker 14: quarterly basis, but some places will pay on a week
Speaker 14: And my understanding in terms of the young man in
Speaker 14: Vegas was paid and was kind of a situation where
Speaker 14: they were paying his boopeting expenses and then we're gonna
Speaker 14: pay X amount month, But Steve, that is a great
Speaker 14: question because how often that's paid and what kind of
Speaker 14: of the payment structure I guess we're talking about that
Speaker 14: becomes really important. And the whole thing. I mean, that's
Speaker 14: where the contracts come in and the collective. This thing
Speaker 14: just needs to be regulated much more. What just scares
Speaker 14: me more than anything else is think about payments that
Speaker 14: are made and somebody gets hurt, somebody claims like this
Speaker 14: situation right now that you know I was promises, well purportedly,
Speaker 14: I was promised by somebody, but the person that promised
Speaker 14: didn't have the authority to do that. There are so
Speaker 14: many loopholes in this, you know, this is one of
Speaker 14: those things that Steves you and I've talked about a
Speaker 14: thousand things over the years, but this is one of
Speaker 14: those things that I'm not sure how it's ever going
Speaker 14: to be solved unless there's some sort of written financial
Speaker 14: agreement that's honored. You know, certainly goes through attorneys in
Speaker 14: some way, but it's really getting scary in terms of
Speaker 14: what's happening. Who knows what really happened in that case,
Speaker 14: and who knows what a lot of places of you know,
Speaker 14: agreements or things being honored gosh.
Speaker 5: Let me ask you.
Speaker 3: This is a hypothetical, but I know you'll be direct
Speaker 3: and honest with me. Nineteen twenty seven. I'm just throwing
Speaker 3: a number out here. Nineteen seventy seven, young Jim leven
Speaker 3: Goood is out working, and I don't know where you were.
Speaker 3: I'm just throwing a number out there. Could be in
Speaker 3: nineteen eighty ye you may have been in Washington State
Speaker 3: by this time or whatever. Would you have changed your
Speaker 3: your career process or your career path had this been
Speaker 3: going on at the time, because I was I don't
Speaker 3: want to say, this's too much where an AD has
Speaker 3: this idea of being an ad and then they have
Speaker 3: to deal with this now.
Speaker 14: Steve, it's amazingly appropriate and how timely that you asked
Speaker 14: something like that in nineteen seventy seven. I know that's
Speaker 14: just a date, but I was the athletic director and
Speaker 14: football basketball coach, taught no classes at Afreid to high
Speaker 14: school and Afreida in the state of Washington. And the
Speaker 14: direct answer to that, I never had a dream of
Speaker 14: being in college athletics. And so quite candidly, if it's
Speaker 14: this day and age that happened back and then yeah,
Speaker 14: I think she thinks seriously about whether that that was
Speaker 14: a would be a good move getting into college athletics,
Speaker 14: because there are so many things that are not controllable.
Speaker 14: And the nice thing of my dream, My dream was
Speaker 14: to and you won't ring a bell at all in
Speaker 14: terms of geography with you, but my dream was to
Speaker 14: the athletic director at Winanchi High School, a great high
Speaker 14: school in the state of Washington, phenomenal city on the
Speaker 14: Columbia River. Blah blah blah. But what's happening in terms
Speaker 14: of fast forward? I don't know how anybody And think
Speaker 14: about it, with coaches, with administration, ads, with presidents, with regents,
Speaker 14: nobody knows what the final thing because like anything else, Steve,
Speaker 14: anybody can can say they're speaking for you. And in
Speaker 14: somebody situations where kids now are in the portal or
Speaker 14: kids are transferring, who knows. I mean, whatever sounds best
Speaker 14: seems to be best, and whatever sounds best, whatever purportedly
Speaker 14: has agreed to, who knows what's going to come up
Speaker 14: a day later, seventy two hours later with a better offer.
Speaker 14: So I just don't I feel so bad for people.
Speaker 14: I feel bad for coaches, feel bad for athletic administrators
Speaker 14: of where what do you know is real? What do
Speaker 14: you know is true for kids? Parents? In this case?
Speaker 14: Right now? You know, parents get involved, agents get involved,
Speaker 14: representatives get involved. So who knows what the thing is.
Speaker 14: But it's very time me that you would ask. Nineteen
Speaker 14: seventy seven, I can remember like it, Well, I I
Speaker 14: that seemed like a great job.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, no, and just and then a comfortable job, right.
Speaker 3: You know, I hate you're probably thinking I could retire
Speaker 3: doing this, you know.
Speaker 14: Absolutely, and maybe maybe I'll get a watch out of it,
Speaker 14: or or even if I don't even get a watch,
Speaker 14: I'm doing it because I know that my family would
Speaker 14: be safe, and friends and so on. Yeah, and I
Speaker 14: just think I've got so many colleagues now that they
Speaker 14: have kids, their own kids who are in the profession
Speaker 14: and the business, and they just shake their head about
Speaker 14: you know, this is today, Okay, what's going to happen
Speaker 14: is the twenty seventh of September. What's going to happen tomorrow?
Speaker 5: Right?
Speaker 14: Or next week or next month?
Speaker 5: Well, I remember this distinctly.
Speaker 3: You got here at about ninety three, I think it
Speaker 3: was ninety three. You had just moved from Washington State
Speaker 3: and a little before you left or a little after
Speaker 3: you left. I think it was after you left. There
Speaker 3: were a couple of football players. They were messing with
Speaker 3: bombs in mailboxes. I think one had lost his arm
Speaker 3: or something, and I'm thinking, well, this is what you.
Speaker 5: Had to deal with.
Speaker 3: And then maybe a little after that, maybe a year
Speaker 3: or two, other things that happened, and you got to
Speaker 3: work eighties, have to worry about five hundred and fifty athletes.
Speaker 3: You know, sleep, go to sleep at night, hope nothing
Speaker 3: goes wrong, because you wake up to news that something happened.
Speaker 3: And those were the sadly to say, not that the
Speaker 3: were the good ole dais. Those are the times where
Speaker 3: you know, those are the things you worry about. Now
Speaker 3: you have to worry about that plus the money.
Speaker 14: See Rivera, you have an amazing memory. That is exactly
Speaker 14: and the irony of that. On Monday of this week,
Speaker 14: four days ago, Kelvin Samson and I were just talking
Speaker 14: about that, talking about those in because Kevin and I
Speaker 14: were together. That's the full time at Washington State and
Speaker 14: those kind of things, and that you're exactly right with.
Speaker 14: It was kind of a prank. Kids were playing around
Speaker 14: with it and it went awry and and you're exactly
Speaker 14: right with the explosive device that went off. But now
Speaker 14: there are so many more things to think about, and
Speaker 14: and the number of things and the the the reaction,
Speaker 14: and how many things now will go go forward in
Speaker 14: terms of this event because there they're not we don't
Speaker 14: hear about things and other schools, but the UNLV thing,
Speaker 14: it's I don't know, I don't know how you plug
Speaker 14: it up right. I feel bad. Harp's doing a phenomenal job.
Speaker 14: Eric Harper is at the un being and Barry Odom
Speaker 14: is a fabulous hire and doing a great job. But
Speaker 14: think about this. They're going to play President of State
Speaker 14: tomorrow's three. You know, they've got a chance to They
Speaker 14: already have a great football team, but they have a
Speaker 14: chance to have a fabulous season. And now they've got
Speaker 14: two players who have not played a whole lot who
Speaker 14: they're trying to get ready to play tomorrow. Oh my
Speaker 14: guysh see, I think it's going to get even scarier
Speaker 14: than it is right now because of the kind of thing. Somebody,
Speaker 14: people with very great with great intelligence, somebody will get
Speaker 14: their arms around the NIL thing, and they'll get their
Speaker 14: arms around the portal in that and figure out some
Speaker 14: way to be able to control that, because it's not
Speaker 14: about trying to limit student athletes making money in the NL.
Speaker 14: It's not about that at all. It's somebody told me
Speaker 14: here last week they were shot. It's student athletes had
Speaker 14: to pay taxes on that money. They were absolutely and
Speaker 14: you know, but there are a lot of things. I
Speaker 14: mean this, See your career has been so long. Has
Speaker 14: some of these things have to shock you? Oh?
Speaker 7: They do?
Speaker 5: They do? They disappoint me. Jim.
Speaker 3: I was on the phone with UH with guests Matt
Speaker 3: Moneno and Troy Hutchinson, and we were talking about this
Speaker 3: maybe a month or six weeks ago, and they were
Speaker 3: telling me, watch, this is gonna happen. And I'm thinking,
Speaker 3: what you're telling me that they're gonna they're not gonna
Speaker 3: show up or they're getting promised money and they're not
Speaker 3: getting paid. And I'm saying, that's not gonna happen. And
Speaker 3: guess what happened.
Speaker 14: Well, it's happened, and the thing is going forward. Take
Speaker 14: I've always said that one of the things that's going
Speaker 14: to be really drawing more attention to this than anything
Speaker 14: else is during when we get in their tournament time
Speaker 14: or in their playoffs, right football, and a student athlete
Speaker 14: or a group of staff student athletes will say, you
Speaker 14: know what, we're not gonna play. We can make we're
Speaker 14: we're hearing that we're getting the short end of the
Speaker 14: stick on n money. We're not gonna play, and it's
Speaker 14: gonna be something like that. I didn't ever thought that
Speaker 14: was real before, but that's real.
Speaker 5: Right, that happened. Let me let me ask you. You've
Speaker 5: been in town.
Speaker 3: You've been in town and then a number of jobs
Speaker 3: in your capacity through the you know, thirty forty years now,
Speaker 3: and you've been in Tucson, and I'm sure I want
Speaker 3: because I want your places where you've been. Arizona goes
Speaker 3: too and Oho and then they have a kind of
Speaker 3: a clunker of a game, that kind of a clunker
Speaker 3: of a game, and you know, the fans in this town,
Speaker 3: you you witness them, you witched them. In other places,
Speaker 3: they lose and they kind of jump ship, right, they
Speaker 3: jump off the bandwagon. In Vegas were they like this
Speaker 3: at Washington State were like this is this universal?
Speaker 5: And I'm asking a naive question because I know the answer.
Speaker 14: Steve, I really think it's universal. And you know, as
Speaker 14: well as anybody. I mean, Walkcat fans are so into
Speaker 14: the university and so into the Cats. But I really
Speaker 14: think it's it's universal, and it's more of a disappointment.
Speaker 14: And and the fact, I'll tell you what the the
Speaker 14: ad right now having to do with uh uh uh
Speaker 14: doctor Pepper on the on the hype train, that that
Speaker 14: is so realistic, that hype train lever can be thrown,
Speaker 14: that switch so fast and all of a sudden, everything
Speaker 14: through an injury or through a bad game. You know,
Speaker 14: I tell my grandkids all the time because of their
Speaker 14: interest in tennis and in volleyball and track bearing, you
Speaker 14: know everything in Steve, you know this that that's yesterday. Okay,
Speaker 14: that that tennis shot or that golf shot. There's nothing
Speaker 14: you can do about yesterday. That's exactly the same way
Speaker 14: with with our wildcasts in football. There's nothing that we
Speaker 14: can possibly do of the Kansas State game in Manhattan,
Speaker 14: but we sure can about the Utah game tomorrow in
Speaker 14: Salt Lake City. And I know that sounds like it's
Speaker 14: over simplifying it, but I think sometimes we need to
Speaker 14: think about your your direct question in terms of our fans.
Speaker 14: Ever are I think that's just it's more so now
Speaker 14: than it used to be. The expectation level is so
Speaker 14: much higher kind of everywhere. I mean, whether it's Arizona
Speaker 14: right now or Washington State's going through they've got a
Speaker 14: big game and you know they're off to a great start,
Speaker 14: but the expectations every it's the sky is falling in
Speaker 14: when either a bad play or a bad loss or
Speaker 14: a bad you know, in the elk column and the
Speaker 14: loss column. And I don't know if we're going to
Speaker 14: change that, in fact, if anything else. And that's in
Speaker 14: the coaching profession, that's in the administration profession. See, but
Speaker 14: things are happened so fast that I didn't have to
Speaker 14: deal with a lot of that, but I had to
Speaker 14: deal with some of that. Yeah, because expectations and coach
Speaker 14: is and it's just what it is. I think it's
Speaker 14: more of a societal thing than it's about than it
Speaker 14: is about athletics or wins and losses. We just have
Speaker 14: a hard time accepting. And you and I have talked
Speaker 14: to you directly about this team. It's amazing how many
Speaker 14: times we don't if we lose. It's not the fact
Speaker 14: that the other team might have it might have them
Speaker 14: be better, but it's the fact that we and you
Speaker 14: know what everybody goes through. There's gonna be those days
Speaker 14: regardless of how good you are. But isn't that true
Speaker 14: a little bit? No question in fact that we talk
Speaker 14: about we don't talk about this. The other team might
Speaker 14: have just been not been their day.
Speaker 5: So we were just talking about this.
Speaker 14: Let me remind you that.
Speaker 3: Let me remind you one or a couple of things.
Speaker 3: So in ninety seven, Arizona goes on this fantastic run, right,
Speaker 3: they win the NC doua A title. Who would have
Speaker 3: thought it? They got it with a bunch of classmen.
Speaker 3: They go back and you're thinking, okay, ninety eight, we
Speaker 3: could be the first to repeat in a while. You
Speaker 3: were you and you were the NC double A committee
Speaker 3: I think at the time, maybe yeah. And then you
Speaker 3: have this high of highs and then then they lose
Speaker 3: to Utah and then you have a low of lows
Speaker 3: because they had every chance to win win the next title.
Speaker 3: And it's funny, and I don't know if this applied
Speaker 3: to that, but I knew you were getting calls and
Speaker 3: you were getting you know, everybody upset or whatever. But
Speaker 3: this is kind of pre internet too, so and you
Speaker 3: were probably getting calls like two in the morning. The
Speaker 3: quality of calls were probably not that great. But you know,
Speaker 3: imagine had this been in the age of the internet.
Speaker 14: Well, Stephen, Linda always said, you know, I thought we
Speaker 14: had a private number, and you know that that and
Speaker 14: that was back and then, but those kind of things
Speaker 14: no emails and right then but not nearly social media. Say,
Speaker 14: but we were at dinner last week and talking with
Speaker 14: people about ninety seven what people sometimes forget, and you
Speaker 14: were there, so you remember verbatim. See, remember we lost
Speaker 14: to cal Stamford the last second of the season. Yes,
Speaker 14: we were a big five seat going in. We we
Speaker 14: were we were down to South Alabama, we down with
Speaker 14: about three and a half minutes to go to uh
Speaker 14: Eric to Eric's dad, And I mean, that could have
Speaker 14: been Now it sank. Goodness it didn't because it was
Speaker 14: such a spectacular end of season, but that easily could
Speaker 14: have been one and done easily. The style of ball,
Speaker 14: the salad basketball that he played during that time, they
Speaker 14: were kid, yes, and and so it's just it's the
Speaker 14: whole thing and now it's it's morphed into the kinds
Speaker 14: of things. The expectations level. I remember when when we
Speaker 14: first came that ninety three and so the ninety four season, uh,
Speaker 14: you know, obviously going to the Final four. I remember
Speaker 14: how nervous Loot was until we won that first game
Speaker 14: in Sacramento because some spells, whether it decentate Santa Clara,
Speaker 14: but it was night and day after winning that first game,
Speaker 14: so that there was no chance to be one and done.
Speaker 14: And Steve, I think that's the thing that's scary right now.
Speaker 14: I hope we can get her and I mean, do
Speaker 14: you mean we all of us get our census about
Speaker 14: it and know, you know what, as good as teams are,
Speaker 14: whether it's football, basketball or anything, there are gonna be
Speaker 14: days when somebody else just has your number and things happen.
Speaker 5: It's how you play day, Jim, how you play that day.
Speaker 14: It's how you play that day. And absolutely so there's
Speaker 14: so many factors in it. Steve, You've seen all of this,
Speaker 14: You've written about all of this, You've seen all of this,
Speaker 14: so you know, but this is so different in twenty
Speaker 14: twenty four. And now we've got to at a great
Speaker 14: football sitt This is a really good football team that
Speaker 14: Bred has right, really good and so and tomorrow a
Speaker 14: lot of people will peg it on. If we can't
Speaker 14: beat the youths, well we certainly can, but it's going
Speaker 14: to take a really good effort. And you know who knows.
Speaker 3: Right, right, Jim, always good to talk to you. I
Speaker 3: love talking to you. We'll bring up the good old days.
Speaker 14: And next call at a time, Steve, thank you, have
Speaker 14: a great night and a great weekend.
Speaker 5: Always deployed you too.
Speaker 3: Thank you those Jim liven good from you of a
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Speaker 1: the ball on Tucson Sports Stage yet Fox Sports fourteen
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Speaker 3: Hey, welcome back to Iron the Ball here on Fox
Speaker 3: Sports fourteen fifty. I'm Steve Rivera in with me today, Juan,
Speaker 3: thank you one running the board. A good talk to
Speaker 3: Jim talking about the good old days and the stuff
Speaker 3: that they're going through right now. Every ad probably shivering
Speaker 3: in their boots hoping that nothing bad happens. But back
Speaker 3: in the day and you're a student, you know, well
Speaker 3: you're being a school president.
Speaker 5: Obviously he's got a lot more issues.
Speaker 3: But like the shooting that happened at this Yeah, come on,
Speaker 3: how worse does it get for the school? And then
Speaker 3: it looks bad, It looks horribly bad, especially the situation,
Speaker 3: and then you have a team. It was what seven
Speaker 3: years ago yesterday, yesterday, seven to years ago, two days
Speaker 3: ago the FBI probe hit u of A. I think
Speaker 3: it was seven years so yesterday, crazy crazy times, right,
Speaker 3: You're thinking, no, it's not possible, and well it was possible.
Speaker 3: It took forever to get solved, you know, four or
Speaker 3: five years later, but here we are, here we are
Speaker 3: and then now this uh, now this with with with
Speaker 3: not the university being in trouble obviously, but just college
Speaker 3: basketball really kind of screwy.
Speaker 6: Yeah, both being a president of the university and an
Speaker 6: athletic director, they come with a lot of challenge. You
Speaker 6: don't necessarily get a life outside of that job.
Speaker 5: You get to obviously, you get to go home at night,
Speaker 5: but still, it's twenty four.
Speaker 6: We got to be ready, it's twenty fourthever like we
Speaker 6: we think earlier this summer, we had a guess I
Speaker 6: think she was a former or she think she might
Speaker 6: be the head guests where in school in a class
Speaker 6: on the show. Okay, I can't remember who it was,
Speaker 6: but she talked about how athletes they're they're a full
Speaker 6: time job.
Speaker 5: They it was a psychologists, maybe the psychologist.
Speaker 6: Okay, So she talked about how she can get a
Speaker 6: clock two in the morning and she has to stop
Speaker 6: a player from oh you yossibly doing something. Yeah, and
Speaker 6: it's not that and you have five hundreds exactly now,
Speaker 6: now double that trouble that for university president. Oh yeah,
Speaker 6: he's not necessarily going into those specifics, but he has
Speaker 6: to worry about that sure.
Speaker 3: Sure, let me ask you something. So I asked kind
Speaker 3: of this indirectly to Jim. If you're a young guy
Speaker 3: and you want to go into academics or administration in athletics,
Speaker 3: would you now given them what you see? Yes, there's
Speaker 3: a price and you get a lot of money if
Speaker 3: you're good at what you do. But it's a lot
Speaker 3: of bs going on.
Speaker 5: And we're talking about college athletics.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I wouldn't because for the reasons, just because of
Speaker 3: right now, everything's so new, everything's changing, right, maybe once
Speaker 3: they get a settled, once it gets settled.
Speaker 6: Once there's a plan and kind of there's history behind
Speaker 6: everything that's been happening.
Speaker 3: So tell me you think that it's going to get
Speaker 3: settled and it's going to be above board eventually.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it was. It was not settled before. It was
Speaker 5: never really above board. It never really yeah, never really.
Speaker 6: We can get the closest to it as possible, but
Speaker 6: it's never going there's always gonna have to be an
Speaker 6: issue with it. There's always gonna be someone complaining, and
Speaker 6: you got to get to that point where it's the
Speaker 6: closest it can.
Speaker 3: But that's when I joined, well, look at what we
Speaker 3: have now, and I think I've said this before, maybe
Speaker 3: even this week where JT and and Bramlett or suing
Speaker 3: the university. I think it is for somebody because of
Speaker 3: the name image like this from the tournament. Really well, now,
Speaker 3: I think you may have been the one from last
Speaker 3: week or this week where Reggie Bush is suing the
Speaker 3: university for back pay or whatever he had in name
Speaker 3: image like this, And this is twenty five years ago.
Speaker 3: When does it stop? When does it stop? It doesn't
Speaker 3: right now? And how many that's just Reggie Bush. That's
Speaker 3: just a couple of guys. What about the rest of them?
Speaker 5: Yeah, there's more out there that.
Speaker 6: Not to discredit anything for Reggie Bush or d T
Speaker 6: or Bramily, there's other guys that have done I've been
Speaker 6: more successful, I have a lot more meaning to a university.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that could go and do that, right right.
Speaker 3: Bless my parents' hearts, they were not wealthy. Their middle
Speaker 3: class even they to their pockets ran dry. And I'm
Speaker 3: kind of using that analogy to Arizona or athletic departments.
Speaker 3: At some point you run dry. Yeah, there's only a
Speaker 3: certain amount of money. And look what happened here, Arizona's
Speaker 3: bone dry. Yeah, because now they have to refurbish the
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Speaker 5: For the future. Exactly. Yeah, not a good not a
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Speaker 3: or hearts, the next two hands are splashed with fifty bucks.
Speaker 5: So there's a lot of things going on.
Speaker 3: Obviously, you can go to the Del Sol Sports Room
Speaker 3: where a sports betning room where we will be. We'll
Speaker 3: have a table there with a lot of cool stuff
Speaker 3: and just come by and see us. And obviously it's
Speaker 3: probably the best sports it's not probably it is the
Speaker 3: best sports book room in town. So yeah, give us
Speaker 3: a shout out when you go there. I'll be talking
Speaker 3: about a lot of that stuff here lives as we
Speaker 3: move forward. Okay, you'll probably be down there. We don't
Speaker 3: need you guys those days. I don't think thursdays you
Speaker 3: won't visure you guys can come and visit. You're twenty one, Yeah,
Speaker 3: you're twenty one. You won't get thrown out, No, no,
Speaker 3: of course not. I would never get thrown out of
Speaker 3: any place. Yeah, because you're t shoes. That's why that's
Speaker 3: a good thing.
Speaker 6: I'm gonna get a shirt that says that I'm gonna
Speaker 6: come in with that one day. You need a hat
Speaker 6: and your hat. Get a hat, Get a hat and
Speaker 6: a shirt.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I have my next hat project will be I'm
Speaker 3: trying to find out where I can get it. So, okay,
Speaker 3: anybody want to call five two four one sixty yesterday
Speaker 3: I'm trying to remember what he talked about. Uh yeah,
Speaker 3: Once I remember, I'll bring it up.
Speaker 5: But we got a lot of calls yesterday. Gabe has
Speaker 5: been calling TJ.
Speaker 3: Mister money, Ta Money has been calling, so what would
Speaker 3: you do? We have you have your, you have your
Speaker 3: you're breaking news hearing about ten minutes.
Speaker 5: Did you guys make predictions for this week for Utah?
Speaker 16: Yeah?
Speaker 5: I think Did you go with Utah? Yep? Did everybody
Speaker 5: think so?
Speaker 7: Yeah?
Speaker 5: I think that's the smart money, even the points.
Speaker 3: Yeah, right, Jim and Jim Jim, if you want to call,
Speaker 3: you can call now.
Speaker 14: If you're like.
Speaker 6: I think it'll be a better game than the Kansas
Speaker 6: State game. I thought, I do too, season, I do too.
Speaker 6: I think that uh not that they've learned their lesson.
Speaker 3: But I think that they they realized they're not as
Speaker 3: good as people think they are.
Speaker 5: And I know the cliche is, you know, they.
Speaker 3: Started to read their press clippings and they shouldn't have
Speaker 3: h and but athletes do that and they're not as
Speaker 3: good as you think they are. But it's it's they're
Speaker 3: not as bad as you think they're and they're never
Speaker 3: as good as you think they are. So there's that
Speaker 3: fine line, especially at Arizona. And you've been following for
Speaker 3: a long time, you know, you've since ten eight years old.
Speaker 5: That's always been the case. Yep, hasn't it been? Yep?
Speaker 5: I mean, uh, we got a call, okay.
Speaker 3: And part of that is when they think too highly
Speaker 3: of themselves, that's when they really mess up. And when
Speaker 3: they think they're low, they play out of their minds.
Speaker 3: Just historically, Hey, welcome to the show.
Speaker 5: You're on the air. Hello, you're on the air.
Speaker 16: Hi, how you doing Turn.
Speaker 5: Jim, turn up that radio. It's all okay, go go.
Speaker 3: We got about a couple of minutes, about two minutes,
Speaker 3: three minutes.
Speaker 16: Well, I just wanted to get my two cents in
Speaker 16: about this week's game. I think it looks like the
Speaker 16: line has moved a little bit. Do you have any.
Speaker 14: Idea what that?
Speaker 3: No, we talked about that when you first came on.
Speaker 3: It went to twelve, I think, and now it's back
Speaker 3: at like a ten. Would you have a number?
Speaker 16: And it was at eight when I looked.
Speaker 5: Glass Man, I would have given that in a heartbeat.
Speaker 16: Well, I think that would be what I would be
Speaker 16: looking for.
Speaker 17: I think this is a really an even tougher matchup
Speaker 17: for the Wildcats this week, and it was with can
Speaker 17: the State. And you know something that needs to be
Speaker 17: made very clear. Kansas State had a very good football team.
Speaker 17: So it's not like we went and lost to you know,
Speaker 17: an alshol Ran. That's a good football team, even though
Speaker 17: they got hammered thirty eight to nine by BYU.
Speaker 3: Right, well, they looked like Arizona against Kansas State. When
Speaker 3: they played BUYU, they looked like Arizona, like they were
Speaker 3: just not there.
Speaker 16: Yeah.
Speaker 17: So the home field advantages playing out for a lot
Speaker 17: of a lot of teams, and I think that the
Speaker 17: Wildcats will probably stumble.
Speaker 16: Again this week. I did read and listen to.
Speaker 17: The coach make his comments about you know what happened
Speaker 17: and what didn't happen, and he was pretty upfront about
Speaker 17: all that.
Speaker 5: Which coach was that was that?
Speaker 16: Brennan?
Speaker 5: Oh, Brennan. Okay, so you saw yesterday.
Speaker 17: Okay, there's an article on CBS Sports Line I read.
Speaker 17: So I'll give you the I'll give.
Speaker 16: You the ten points.
Speaker 5: No I ain't, no, dude, I'm looking for seventeen.
Speaker 3: No, no, no, you're.
Speaker 5: Not gonna find a sucker in me.
Speaker 16: Oh what's that about? That's the line?
Speaker 5: Then I guess where I'm doing it.
Speaker 3: I'm doing it at the Cocito del Soul. Okay, you
Speaker 3: can give me seventeen and I'll say yes.
Speaker 14: No, we'll talk later.
Speaker 5: Oh I see there's a chance. Okay, okay, Jim, thanks.
Speaker 14: For coming up.
Speaker 17: This looks like this looks like another top tough proposition
Speaker 17: against the whole other style of lay.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 5: No, you're right. They just got to they got to
Speaker 5: get better quickly here. Yeah.
Speaker 16: Yeah, okay, thanks.
Speaker 5: I almost got seventeen.
Speaker 3: He was thinking, you'll call me later, Almos, got it
Speaker 3: almost it. Would you take seventeen? Take your time, it's
Speaker 3: not a test. I probably would. Yeah, I think so too.
Speaker 3: I would take seventeen. I wouldn't take fifteen. They just
Speaker 3: got to get better quickly. I don't know if they
Speaker 3: have that in them. So you were there for Brennan.
Speaker 3: Maybe he's the one that said that, maybe expectations.
Speaker 5: I wasn't there. Oh you weren't there.
Speaker 3: Okay, I have to go through the thing, but there's
Speaker 3: no question that the expectations have changed. Let's go, Let's
Speaker 3: take a break in and come back with your breaking news.