Speaker 1: What is up, Fellasikos.
Speaker 2: I am Dana Valley coming at you with my certified
fantabulous co host, mister Grant, who's the trade deadline climber
train keeps on a rowland. We are up to the
Boston Celtics, the team of our video editor Andrew's choice.
So we're gonna see how much worse we could make them,
and when I'm gonna provide as much inaccurate analysis here
as I can, just shout out to Andrew for all
the great work he does. Grant before we dive in
here with the Boston Celtics trade deadline vitals, I have
a question, how are you doing?
Speaker 3: I'm doing well.
Speaker 4: I'm prepared to get Derek White to the Warriors and
Jalen Brown to the Knicks.
Speaker 3: And sorry Andrew, but you know, Doggie.
Speaker 1: L Anthony Towns is your problem.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you get Karl Anthony Towns. You can have Jonathan
kaminga a lot of potential there. You really got to
give him a chance. Just needs to be in the
right role. You're gonna love him two point zero coming. Yeah,
with some Kauhi in there too. I definitely have said
those things in the past.
Speaker 3: Not proud of it.
Speaker 2: The Celtics are way more fascinating at the trade deadline
than I thought they were going to be coming into
the season. Let's begin with their vitals. I can take
us through Boston's. They are twelve point one million dollars
over the luxury tax, which we all just assumed they
were going to duck and now we don't know. They
can trade up to two first round picks in twenty
twenty six or twenty twenty seven, and their two thousand
and thirty two pick, which is not frozen because they're
not in the second apron. They owe a twenty twenty
eight swap to San Antonio that's top one protection, and
they owe a twenty twenty nine first round pick that
will be conveyed to Portland or Washington, so uh, and
they can sorry. And the picks that they could trade,
they could also. It's two thousand and thirty one or
two thousand and thirty two, so it's not just those options.
That's a type on my end. They do have four
notable trade exceptions. Four million dollars from the Jaden Springer
deal that expires the day after the trade deadline. They
have that twenty two and a half million dollars from
the christaps Porzingis trade that expires along with the four
point seven million dollars from the New Holiday trade. Those
two expire on July seventh. And finally, there are two
George Nyang trade exceptions floating around, and Boston has one
of them that expires in August and it is worth
eight point two million dollars right now. I initially thought
Grant months ago, weeks ago, maybe even that when we
did this, this was going to be an exercise of
how does Boston get out of the tax? My question
to you now, though, is will Boston look to duck
the tax or buy or are they going to try
to figure out a way to do both?
Speaker 1: What is going to happen here?
Speaker 4: Well, you definitely read recently, I think Mike Scotto had
it that they're, yeah, ducking the tax is a priority,
but it's not like an organizational mandate under new ownership.
And I think like Boston might be so ambitious as
to say the answer to your question is yes, like
they want to be able to do both somehow, which
is like difficult but not impossible. However, I think if
you're trying to go that like have it both ways
duck thetax and get better, like Simons is the one
that has to go, and then you're definitely also moving picks.
Speaker 3: So but to not cheat the question, I think I
still am hung up.
Speaker 4: Maybe this is too being too married to prior's but
like I still think ducking the tax makes way too
much sense to not pursue as a first option. And
if you can get better somehow in the process, great,
But like, don't you think you and I think you
still got to try.
Speaker 3: To duck the tax.
Speaker 2: I think you do for for this reason, just because
for them to reset the repeater clock, I know there's
a lot of confusion going around about this. They need
to be out of the tax for two years, getting
out of it this year because even though they're so good,
just contending for the top two record in the Eastern Conference,
their offense is insane. Then you figure out a way
to crash the offensive class despite having basically no size
on this team. You duck the tax now because you're
not expected to win the title. Then it's a little
bit easier unless you're taking on money that leaks into
next year to duck it next season as well. Sir,
You're repeater clock is set and you can just spend
like whoe. And in the era of aprons, where it's
not just about paying these tax bills, it's about the
roster building restrictions where you have to worry about being
in the second apron for so long that draft picks
gets frozen or moving to the end of it. You
still have to reconcile with that. But if you can
spend more freely, at least getting up to the second
apron or going into it for a year and then
stepping out. This feels like with the Jason Tatum injury,
and now I just expect him to be back this
year because they're so I'm assuming he will play. With
the Jason Tatum injury, it's given you cover to do
it for one year and then you kind of just sell, hey, look,
we knew how to be competitive without Jason Tatum. Will
kind of watching our money. We'll be able to do
it next year with Jason Tatum, and then when we're
ready to spend again, he'll be a year into his
return from injury. That's why it's so important. And I
do think they could be in a and I actually
do have like a five four or five team trade
that I'll pitch to you at the end that I
think makes them better while getting them out of the tax.
Speaker 1: But you try to do both.
Speaker 2: If you have to pick which one is more important.
To me, it's clearly ducking the tacks for what it
means to the future of the team.
Speaker 4: I think, so the pushback would be and I am
still wrestling with this, like, yeah, the Pistons are really good.
We still think the Calves something's wrong with the Calves,
but maybe they figure it out. The East is kind
of there. The Knicks can't guard anybody anywhere, Like the
East is kind of there, and so like, I don't know,
maybe this is too broad of a topic, but like
this is a huge problem with all the aprons and
the tax and everything, because the team is good as
Boston right now, even if they didn't expect necessarily to
be this good. Like, it's kind of wild that we
have to eat that one. We both said, duck the
tax is the priority as opposed to get better, to
try to win your conference and make the finals. Like
that's that's not great that I mean, that's the way
the system. Yeah, to make teams like have this kind
of I don't know, decision to make I would love
it if they could get better and just screw it,
But like I just kind of like it would be irresponsible,
like financially one who cares, but competitively, like you're trying
to set yourself up to have the best chance to
win a title, just sort of in general. And it
kind of seems like even though they're this good this year,
ducking the tax is still the best way to this
year and next is the best way to do that.
Speaker 2: I think what's also tricky with them too is that
I try to think about it through the lens of
could they split the baby, as we like to say,
because that's a real thing. Is you trim some of
your tax bill now well not getting too much worse,
Like you're replacing Sam Hauser with the player who makes X,
or it's Anthony Simons with a player who makes X,
and then you look to duck the tax before the
calendar resets. Their books are such that that's really hard
to do because you need to look at one, they
don't have sizeable contracts that are also on the books
for next year that they would actively want to move.
Speaker 1: You don't want to move.
Speaker 2: Peyton Pritchard at seven point eight million dollars ahead of
next season. Sam Houser, Okay, sure, but then you need
to make sure that you're within ten million dollars of
ducking the tacks. So maybe that's a little bit more realistic.
If you think you could just pawn off san Hauser
on someone like on Draft night, then can you trade
Anthony Simons for a slightly cheaper player and go that?
So maybe they approach it that way, But to your point,
there's so much better it makes it harder to do.
But I am playing as an armchair GM the longer
game here because okay, cool, the East is up for grabs.
What does that mean you're gonna go into the West?
And do you think there's any realistic passway pathway never mind? Okay,
see who up hears kind of vulnerable at this point,
But how many of those West teams Denver, Houston, Minnesota?
Speaker 1: Okay? See, like are you picking Boston.
Speaker 3: To Yeah, you're saying it.
Speaker 4: It's Puncher's chance territory, and that presumes Tatum is back
and is eighty sixty percent Yeah, like some some high percent,
which is probably fair unfair to expect. So so yeah,
like the best you're doing is Puncher's chance the way
looking at it now, like.
Speaker 1: Well, I don't know.
Speaker 3: I don't want to jump ahead of what we're going
to talk about. So so what's.
Speaker 4: What Houser is the easy move if you're trying to
duck it this year because Simon's is gonna come off
the books, well, it can't just be Hauser.
Speaker 2: He comes right, And that's the problems is because now
if you move Hauser and you say, well, we'll make
it up later, it's it gets harder to do because okay,
Anthony Simons is coming off the books, do you want
to move Peyton Prichard?
Speaker 1: So that's where it gets tricky.
Speaker 2: It almost it has to be Simon's, but as I mean,
it could be Sam Hauser as well, but it has
to be some sort of a Simon's deal. Who by
the way, as we're recording, this is setting the world
on fire.
Speaker 4: Right like, well, and that's that that's gone back and
forth because for a for a good stretch of the
early part of the season, I was just like, well,
he's not helping anyway, so of course they can they
can afford to just move off him. But because this
is kind of a two year thing with needing to
be out of the tax next year too. Don't you
need to be careful moving Simons? Like you can't just
take back again expiring deal at twenty almost twenty eight million,
Like where are you sending him? That's not sending you
back longer term money which you don't want. I guess,
Like it's a big enough number that if you just
take back someone that makes twelve million dollars less than
you're okay, But you know what I mean, Like it
can't just you still need to be a little judicious
about what you're taking back for Simons.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's I mean you also cutting twelve million
dollars in at the trade. The line is not the
nets have cap space to do it, and that's it.
And so who from the nets are you getting for
Anthony Simons? Then you have to Now you're in a
Now you're in the position of did we just have
to attach something to a player who's helping us because
we want to get out of the tax. You could
do something like sign ins to Charlotte for Colin Sexton
and maybe that's a deal they would do straight up,
or they're sending you Mason Plumley too, is a minimum?
Then you're looking at Okay, we shaved what ten in
that scenario? So do you make a Houser deal to
make up the rest is that, like you know, con
Sexton could be he's not gonna give you the same
type of shooting element as Simon's. Maybe some more you know,
passing out of drives for sure, and just more you
driving in basket pressure should be in general, but even
that is just okay, Like you've took a on expiring money,
I guess that should be the goal. And if like,
if you have to, you shouldn't need to attach something
in a trade like that, I would think. Because Simon's
right now has been by slightly better than Colin Sexton.
He's certainly he's playing a bigger role for his team
right now than Colin Sexton is.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's easier to envision Simon's helping a winner just
because like he's got kind of.
Speaker 2: What if Labello is coming off the bench, do you
want him and Simons.
Speaker 4: Well, he's giving look the best way to manage an
ancle injury just and you get your fourth quarter minutes up?
Speaker 2: What do you make of young role players aspiring to
get back and back in the starting lineup?
Speaker 1: It's really good.
Speaker 4: Uh what do you so speaking of like the threading
the needle or like attaching a pick to move Simons.
You wouldn't be comfortable doing that for the Sexton level
of player. But like Zubots, if it's Zubats name has
kind of been thrown out there a little bit, which
is like that's an upgrade.
Speaker 3: Uh, you're you're getting better. You would save money.
Speaker 1: I don't have one.
Speaker 4: I want to look it up and see, like how
the twenty seven point six you get from Simon's minus Zubots,
who makes.
Speaker 2: You're saving nine point five? And that's assuming that you
can find the Clippers would have to send like someone others, Yeah.
Speaker 3: You're you're getting a third team involved there. Again, let's
called Brooklyn.
Speaker 4: I think Utah has some wiggle room you could mess
with too, for surely, but like, are you attaching.
Speaker 3: If it's simon territory?
Speaker 4: Gotta be both of the picks you can trade, right,
do you wanna? Zubots is a really good I mean,
that makes a lot of sense, and he does address
a huge issue, which is they just don't I mean,
I like it as much as the next guy, but.
Speaker 2: What are they And it's you know, it's cool to
see play well.
Speaker 1: It's cool to see Luca Garzara play well.
Speaker 2: But they're small and they're not I mean, look, if
they've definitely outperformed their center roads or you should say
their centers of outperformed expectation, they're they're quote unquote bigs,
but I think they need like a bigger body in here. Yeah,
and Zubots would be the we've attached first round picks.
On a smaller scale, this will bleed into targets withthe
not like you could go the day Ron Sharp route,
like that's someone who would certainly help them. And you
also ask yourself, well, how much do you want to
mess with what you're getting from all these but like
are you trading? So now is Cada okay not being
your starter? How much is he still going to be
useful in that role? I don't know, Like do you
want to mess with what's happening now either, Like it's
not even messed with, but now you're trying to double
down on it. And what are the risks of I
mean like Cada and Zubots are just two very different players,
and so you will change the complexion of at least
on offense, how you're going to operate.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I think Cada is such has been
such a fine and uh that like, I can see
how it's tempting if you're Boston to be like great
value like he's given. He's been a starting caliber center.
I don't know where you'd rank him, but I think
he just has been, Like I don't think you can
let that distract from the fact that like Zubots is, like,
I mean, he was one of the dressed half dozen
centers in the league last year, And maybe that under
sells it.
Speaker 3: I think I think if.
Speaker 4: It's I think I would I would pretty quickly put
two firsts and the salary necessary on the table for
Zubots Would you would you?
Speaker 3: Would that be an easy call for you?
Speaker 4: Like and and then Kada is a great backup, you know,
great backup.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I would do it.
Speaker 2: But you have to be are you doing it whilst
like so that gets you if you're giving up Simon,
you're saving somebody you you're still doing that with the
intention then of well, now we've given up two first
round picks, we've shaved nine million or whatever they end
up ship.
Speaker 1: You have to get rid of Sam haws Er ductive
hack right at that.
Speaker 4: Point, right and comes you don't have the picks to attach,
and you're just like, give us someone two million dollars
cheaper than Hawser basically right, Like, that's that's what you're
hoping for. Yeah, I think you can do that. I
think Howser's like a rotation player. You can just take
back somebody that's bad that makes six or able to get.
Speaker 2: You know what my first thought was, is I know
that you know them playing him over Jordan Walsh was
they're just trying to showcase him for the dead vibe.
Speaker 1: Now my brain went up.
Speaker 3: I mean it could be. Yeah, I mean I don't
know what else their other needs are.
Speaker 4: They'd be cool if they had Jason Tatum back, which
will happen, and then after that it's it is just
the big situation.
Speaker 3: Because they got enough guards and wings, I would say
they have it.
Speaker 2: Do you think they if you're getting rid of Simon's
do you think that they have enough ball handlers on
this team Pritchard, White, Brown and.
Speaker 4: And I keep throwing Tatum in there, Yes if I think,
But I mean Brown has such a high like such
high usage and is on the ball so like I
think I think him turning into this version of him
allows you to like to Pritcher and Whiter, that's plenty,
I would say. I. I mean maybe as a luxury,
you might want other guy, want one other player who
can dribble. But I still think upfront is where the
pretty obvious hole is.
Speaker 2: I'm probably with you, I might investigate getting another like
ball handler type like in Io to Mover's gonname Io
Desumu for every team. It doesn't need to be Oh
the go, get Jah Moran or just someone ridiculous or
Kobe White even it doesn't need to be on that level.
But I'd probably like to see it. Uh So let's talk.
We have any names, let's bring to mind for them.
We mentioned Zubots, we mentioned Dayron Sharp, That's been a
popular one for them. Yeah, I thought about the guys
were always kind of like in the Desummu and White
and Sexton class for guards, like I think Gafford, I
think Claxton.
Speaker 4: I think, uh, I forget who else. I'm what other
big options I had one other bring back time Lord
time warn back around.
Speaker 1: It's really interesting.
Speaker 2: Claxton would be super interesting, does Simons and Houser so
that gets you to what twenty seven and a half
plus ten? That's thirty seven and a half. Do you
just ducked Attacks if you trade if that's the money
you send out for, I don't know how many picks
would need to be attached, But Claxton's at twenty five
right or is he over?
Speaker 1: He's at twenty five four?
Speaker 4: That's really close. Simons and Howser actually gets you get
you close to like thirty eight because twenty seven.
Speaker 2: Seven thirty seven to seven? Did you get That's like,
are you just underneath Attacks at that point? That's a
difference of like twelve point three million dollars. I think
that's insane.
Speaker 4: And they're twelve twelve to one. Oh yeah, so I
mean so that's interesting. Simons and Houser plus both firsts
for Claxton, Yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean I would do it if I was Boston.
I mean, you're sending out two useful players, but they're
players that one Simons is just coming off the books.
Then that may maybe you could do something where Simon's
going to another team that's sending Brooklyn cheaper players, but
Howser is the only one in that deal that maybe
Brooklyn can view as oh, we might be able to
flip him for something down the line.
Speaker 4: So is your new closing five as a healthy Boston
team Prichard, White, Brown, Tatum, Claxton.
Speaker 3: It's pretty hay what else?
Speaker 1: What else would it be? I don't know.
Speaker 4: You put Peyton, put Pritchard back on the bench, and
if Tatum's not there then it's like Walsh, I guess, right,
is I don't know who you play cato with Claxton?
Speaker 1: Try that out.
Speaker 2: I know Gonzalez has been like messing a bunch of
people up on the defensive end.
Speaker 4: I think you want, you want more spacing than you're
gonna get. That's the thing with Claxton is like the
playmakings there. But I do think Boston is for a
long time, not so much this year, but for a
long time has valued spacing at the five right.
Speaker 2: By the way, speaking of that, like just shooting in general.
If you're giving up Simon's and Howser, who are two
guys that let's.
Speaker 1: Just look at it.
Speaker 2: Since December first they're shooting above thirty nine percent from
three and now you're trading them. We've traded them for
bigs in two bots or like I'm curious to see
what that would do to the offense. I'd probably still
do it because you know Tatum's coming back, so the
shooting will eventually be there.
Speaker 1: But that is something to think about.
Speaker 4: You trust White and Pritchard to get up plenty of
threes and and Brown has Brown. The one thing Brown
hasn't done like perfectly this year is make threes. But
I would trust him and Tatum. Once Tatum's back to
you'd be fine. You'd have four shooters that every defense
is freaked out about. That's I mean, that's that's the
second best you can do. Five is a luxury fours
fours where most teams are.
Speaker 2: You know, you did mention spacing. What about Jock Landale?
He's making the minimum, Memphis isn't gonna have bird rights.
Speaker 3: I mean that's so that's just that's this can't be it.
Speaker 4: That's irrelevant to their tax thing, I would think, because
like what is Memphis gave a little bit of money. Yeah,
so who's going out in that? Is that like a
Houser thing.
Speaker 1: Or I mean, I just what's what salary? Don't you?
Speaker 2: They could probably take them to the minimum exception if
they wanted to. If they're giving like second, Yeah, okay,
so you're just addressing me just like could be the
out like just yeah, well, although this would save a
bunch of money, I don't know if it really fills
the need. But because Washington has exceptions galore, what if
you sent them Hauser for Marvin Bagley?
Speaker 4: Not a Bagley guy, he's the although he's defied my
expectations by still being in the league at this point.
I mean he's like, he's like a livelier body I
guess than like Garza, but that's not that's not hard
to be.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 4: I like I like Landale better just because he gives
you a dimension that's like that Boston clearly values and
and I don't know, offensively, he's a little more interesting
to me. I would honestly, what would you have to
give Washington to do the Houser deal? So you're sending
Sam Hauser into an exception and then to get back
because when you look at this team, what are the
three in d guys on it?
Speaker 3: Jalmen other than the stars?
Speaker 4: Yeah, like you wouldn't say, you wouldn't say Walsh might
not uh who else is even.
Speaker 2: You're not gonna say you Logan Zales at this point,
no take to get of it like they have. I
think they have three seconds they could trade. Does that
get you?
Speaker 4: Justin Champagne with Howser as the outgoing money, that's I mean,
he replaces the kiss burt of it all in Washington.
Speaker 3: That's interesting. You probably will.
Speaker 4: I mean, Howser's a better player than Champagne maybe, right
kind of.
Speaker 2: I think he's he has a dominant skill or like
he can do something that's more marketable I would say
than Champagne. But Champagnie just does like he could play
center with the way the Celtics play, like the stuff
he could do around the basket defensively.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I do, Like, I just love the both champagnees
are are very relevant right now.
Speaker 2: That's making under three percent of the salary cap combat right, probably.
Speaker 3: Like that's interesting.
Speaker 4: I mean, I guess the question then is, I mean,
Washington probably should do that, right if you're getting an
asset attached to Houser, who at least debatably is the
better player anyway, and you've got still a bunch of
money that you're going to have to spend even after
trade to get to the floor this this next year,
that's I mean from Washington perspective, I don't hate it.
I don't know if I don't know, if that maybe
the Celtics might value the specialist skill set a little more,
because that's still not getting you out of.
Speaker 3: The tax in this hypothetical either.
Speaker 1: No, but you're saving a ton of If you're not,
you're saving a ton of money. Still, Well, that's.
Speaker 3: An interesting so do you does it matter?
Speaker 4: It's not our money that uh, but like does it
matter if they save tax money? If it isn't enough
to get under the actual tax line, it's.
Speaker 1: Just about that saves your tax bill.
Speaker 2: This is that's more of a conversation for Denver to
where it's if they can get out of the tax
and they get part of like the teams that are
paying into the tax, now you get part of that profit.
So a team that like Denver staring at the second
apron next year, is well, I need to profit while
I can because I'm about to go into the second apron,
or so they claim. Yeah, I thought about this name.
So I don't know what the permutation. This is not
a tax ducking move. You're including assets if you want
to duck the tax, they're probably like four or five
six teams involved. What would it take? Just because they're
clearly looking to reorient something. I don't think this is
the player that they're thinking about moving. But on Yakakungu
for this team.
Speaker 3: I do like that.
Speaker 4: I think he gives you a lot of what Claxton
does plus some stretch. Probably not not as good a
facilitator and probably not as good a I mean defensively,
certainly hasn't had the accolades Claxton does. Yeah, that's a
that's an interesting one, just just out of curiosity, like
what what's going where in that hypothetical?
Speaker 2: I think you need a third team to take on
Simon's and then you're sending out two first round picks,
like is it you send sext into Atlanta, Simons to
Charlotte and you're hoping that they don't need picks to
make like their end of it work, and then you're
sending two first to Atlanta for who? Actually I think
he makes how much less does he make.
Speaker 4: It every.
Speaker 3: Fifteen this year? Sixteen to one next year?
Speaker 4: So if it's Simon, Yeah, if Simons goes out and
a cong Wu comes in, you're out of the text and.
Speaker 2: You could Also, if you really wanted to, I guess
if you believe that you can dump Houser, you can
offer to take back more.
Speaker 1: Money as part of that trade.
Speaker 4: Then yeah, I kind of think a coong Wu was
part of the plan in Atlanta, though, don't you.
Speaker 1: I don't disagree.
Speaker 2: I'm just wondering if, like, what would they have to
put on the table to say, if they said, Hugo
Gonzales in two first round picks and you're making this out,
you're getting a cheaper expiring contract, does that move Atlanta
at all?
Speaker 1: Or no?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I could see it.
Speaker 4: Get get the picks, and just I mean, well, how
much is Atlanta going to value these picks that obviously
didn't prioritize.
Speaker 2: Also, if they are interested in Anthony Davis, is this
or they planning on paying all of the Congo Woo
Anthony Davis and Christos Porzingis moving forward?
Speaker 4: Well, well, if you're getting Anthony Davis, Porzingis is going out? Yeah,
you're right, yes, And then but then well, if you
have Anthony Davis, you probably want a very fairly priced
backup center.
Speaker 3: Available, which akong Wu is ye, so that Yeah, I
don't know.
Speaker 4: I think Boston Boston, that's an easy call. Atlanta might
be less less into it. But in theory, like those
extra picks, if you turn around and use those to
get Davis, you worry about the backup situation later.
Speaker 2: Are there any big we mentioned Dayiron Sharp right, any
other bigs that kind of spring them up? Would they
like a reunion with Gershan Jabuceli? Could I interest them?
Speaker 4: Stop trying to get players off the Knicks that you
don't want on the Knicks. It's very transparent. What's happening
here other centers? Let's see, Uh, would they want Al
Horford back?
Speaker 3: Get that?
Speaker 1: Actually, Andrew did text me. I don't think he might
be sure. He did text me about that.
Speaker 2: What would it cost to get from the Warriors?
Speaker 3: What do they have that the Warriors would want? I
don't think Howard does.
Speaker 2: How do they even get their salary? Wise they don't
have another like five or six million dollar player?
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I don't. I don't see it. I don't
see it.
Speaker 4: They probably should have just kept Horford. He would clearly
be helpful. And although he's barely he's only recently looked
like Al Horford and that could go in anytime, So
who knows.
Speaker 1: So the unless do you have any other targets.
Speaker 2: I'll give you the baseline of my trade, because I
think it's too complicated to share. I might end up
writing about it.
Speaker 3: Give me the baseline.
Speaker 2: So you're giving up your three second round picks Cafferty, Simon's,
Sam Hauser and also your first round pick this year,
and in return you are getting Dayron Sharp, Jalen Smith,
iowed de Soon MoU and Justin Champa.
Speaker 4: Huh, you know I've never quit on Jalen Smith, and
he does give you the theoretical spacing you might want.
At the five, you're out of the tax there. I'm
assuming just barely.
Speaker 2: So the way it's set up is that you basically
you could create a trade exception by sending Sam Howser
to Washington was the structure, and then taken Dayroon Sharp
or they even have TP like it could be a
separate deals. My points, you're compensating Brooklyn to get Sharp.
Speaker 1: The deal also works.
Speaker 2: I had Brooklyn out of it, You're still giving up
roughly the same stuff. There's just no Dayron Sharp involved.
So it's Jalen Smith io and Justin Champegni. Marvin Bagley
might have been involved in there at.
Speaker 1: One point, but I shoot him out. You're welcome, I like, I.
Speaker 4: Mean, you get three rotation guys really like for Boston
and you duck the tax.
Speaker 2: I wonder if the argument would be, you're the team
giving up the first round pick and you're also giving
up his Anthony Simons, the best player. I could make
a case that I might be more useful in the playoffs.
Speaker 3: But yeah, but like.
Speaker 4: I might get hung up on that if if it
wasn't such an obvious value add to Boston to get
out of the tax like that, that's you You sort
of have to pay extra for that, and any team
dealing with them is going to know that, you know,
you know, like, so you can ask for a little
more because you like, from the Celtics perspective, it might
just be worth it to give up the best player
and the pick if it's getting you these assets plus
the flexibility that duck in the tax is going to
allow you down the line. So I don't I don't
think that's a that's not a hang up for me.
I don't think right like that you have to factor in.
Speaker 1: Like I would do it. But it's also the trade
that I built, so I'm interesting.
Speaker 3: Because I wouldn't do half the trades that I built.
I was like, this is dumb. Nobody should do this.
The money works, but who gives a shit? That's stupid.
Speaker 2: I would still be worried about it's stupid because it's
the Celtics, so I'll probably just figure it out. I'd
just be worried about the shooting with Peyton Pritchard not
shooting as well as he has in the past. If
you're giving up Sigmon's on howser, I didn't none of
no one I named. It's Io or Justin or Jalen Smith.
Is who's the better shooter between those three?
Speaker 1: Is the conversation? We're happy?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I guess I would just fall back on like
I assume that Prichard will shoot it better like he
just you don't forget how to shoot, you know, I don't.
Speaker 2: If the same trade work that got you out of
the tax, you're not getting Io, You're not getting day
Ron Sharp. You end up with Justin Champagnie and Vouch.
Do you like Vouch as the big man there at all?
Better than the setup of Jalen Smith and or Dayron Sharp?
Speaker 4: You probably as a staunch like not vouch defender even
I think I would say that I like it better
for Boston with Vooch there, just because the shooting the offense,
I guess I would trust Missoula and the personnel there
to make the defense work.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know with him in the middle of it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean he would help with your he would
help be your defense of rebounding at least sure. And
it's also io do Soon moves up is kind of
plicative when you have Peyton, Pritchard, and White? Are you
ever gonna play all three of those good? They all
do different things, and White's clearly better, But are you
playing all? I mean I would play all three of
those guys together, and so were Joe Mizzoula.
Speaker 1: But what is that? I love Ale?
Speaker 2: But is he sort of would he be underutilized on
a Boston team that has Pritchard, Derek White, Jalen Brown
a little bit?
Speaker 3: But I still like he's still a rotation player like he's.
Speaker 2: I would prefer if you feel that way, I prefer
the package without Vooch.
Speaker 4: Okay, interesting, just just because you Yeah, I guess right,
if you don't see value and assume you being there,
then then it should be Vouch.
Speaker 1: But it's also you.
Speaker 2: When we talked about the Warriors on a previous podcast
doing their trade deadline primer, you had said something about
like being drawn to players that will try to do less,
and so the Jalen Smith and Dayron Sharp of it all,
those are bigs who will try to do less than Vouch.
Where it's do you feel the need to give him
ceremonial post touches?
Speaker 1: Right? Does that help you?
Speaker 2: If you listen to a Bulls broadcast, they'll tell you
that he needs more post touches And the three point
shooting though, is that's a real element and he's Yeah,
he is better than Jalen Smith and Dayron Sharp. But
I'm just I think I prefer the the Pooh pooh
platter return rather than oh, we consolidated into the not
I don't even know it's consolidation, but we have these
two guys.
Speaker 3: Maybe maybe I don't know.
Speaker 4: I'm torn on that because I do think, like from
Boston's perspective, if some part of the reason you moved
on from Horford, the real reason was probably he didn't
think the Celtics were going to be as good as
they needed to be for him, to keep playing, but
like if part of it was given age, you're worried
about the wheels falling off.
Speaker 3: Like Vouch is sneaky old.
Speaker 4: That guy, Like it's it's a miracle that he stayed
as effective as he has, even just you know, admitting
all of his warts defensively and stuff, but like this
is his age thirty five season.
Speaker 2: There's also I know you say you trust the Celtics
to kind of figure it out on defense, but even
during this heater that they're on, they're twentieth and half
court defense now and can Signons and Hauser, don't the
getting rid of them doesn't make that number worse. But
does Vouch come in and may get any better?
Speaker 1: I don't.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. That's a good point.
Speaker 4: I mean, yeah, well the poo poo platters looking better now,
because like the other thing is like Vooch is one
of those players that, like the best version of him,
the role's pretty big, like you're saying with the Bulls broadcast,
like wanting more touches, and then if he has a
really big role to get the most out of him,
that's probably not good for your team. So so like
that's just like philosophically, he's not typically a player that
I would want to go after, but he does address
some of Boston's needs, So I know it's not that simple.
Speaker 2: Just gonna throw some other names out there. I have
seen Nick Richards mentioned that doesn't move me at all.
I guess if it's data, yeah, if you're if you're
but if you're looking, if it's part of like you
have duck attacks or saving money with other teams, sure
use off Nurkic for Anthony Sigmon's has kind of been
the big one because that saves you a ton of money, doesn't.
Speaker 1: Get you out of the tacks. Uh.
Speaker 2: Nurkis has had moments for Utah. He seems really happy
there too. Players keep going to Utah and are really happy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Kevin Love likes it there.
Speaker 2: That's I mean, Kevin, I'll be interesting on what what
about uh the version of Andre Drummond that we've gotten
for parts of this season.
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, there's your rebounding solved. If nothing else, that's
that's not a bad idea.
Speaker 2: So I'm like kind of just I'm like looking at
cheap bigs. That's really all I could think of. I
like Dayron Sharp is probably my favorite target for them.
I was on the Walker Kessler train when I thought
this was gonna be a gap year, and my whole
thought process.
Speaker 1: Was, now, you get this guy, he leans into the
gap year.
Speaker 2: With you, and you can resign him at the end
of the season. But I'm off of that. In case
anyone's wondering, Yeah.
Speaker 1: Jay Huff is any how married related Jay Huff?
Speaker 3: I mean he's doing some cool dunk.
Speaker 4: Do you see that? Like reach over the head backwards
dunk he did the other day? Like not? The shot
was of Donovan Mitchell on the Cavs bench doing like
the stink face, like, oh, he's got that was it
was exciting.
Speaker 3: He did twice.
Speaker 2: We did it twite. No, I didn't see any of that.
H I'm out of ideas. You do have anything else on?
I think the Celtics, we both think that they should
what do you think they're more likely to do? Duck
the tacks or act as buyers.
Speaker 4: I'll just double down and say duck the tacks because
I think that's what they should prioritize, and I assume
that's what they're more likely to do.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna heat check and say that they figure out
a way to do both. I think we look back
at the trade deadline and say this team is as
good or better and now they're outside of the tacks.
Speaker 4: If that happens, they're immediately going on top of every
list of like deadline winners for you know, in the
in the inevitable winners and losers analysis.
Speaker 1: Are you ready to take us out of here? Kin, sir, yep.
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get you, Karl, Anthony Towns or Jonathan.
Speaker 1: Or Yabu.
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