1 00:00:05,160 --> 00:00:07,000 Speaker 1: What is up, Fellasikos. 2 00:00:07,120 --> 00:00:10,000 Speaker 2: I am Dana Valley coming at you with my certified 3 00:00:10,039 --> 00:00:14,359 fantabulous co host, mister Grant, who's the trade deadline climber 4 00:00:14,439 --> 00:00:17,760 train keeps on a rowland. We are up to the 5 00:00:17,800 --> 00:00:22,160 Boston Celtics, the team of our video editor Andrew's choice. 6 00:00:22,199 --> 00:00:24,920 So we're gonna see how much worse we could make them, 7 00:00:24,920 --> 00:00:28,160 and when I'm gonna provide as much inaccurate analysis here 8 00:00:28,239 --> 00:00:30,160 as I can, just shout out to Andrew for all 9 00:00:30,199 --> 00:00:32,320 the great work he does. Grant before we dive in 10 00:00:32,399 --> 00:00:35,320 here with the Boston Celtics trade deadline vitals, I have 11 00:00:35,320 --> 00:00:37,159 a question, how are you doing? 12 00:00:37,840 --> 00:00:38,359 Speaker 3: I'm doing well. 13 00:00:38,359 --> 00:00:42,000 Speaker 4: I'm prepared to get Derek White to the Warriors and 14 00:00:42,119 --> 00:00:43,960 Jalen Brown to the Knicks. 15 00:00:44,280 --> 00:00:47,520 Speaker 3: And sorry Andrew, but you know, Doggie. 16 00:00:47,479 --> 00:00:49,000 Speaker 1: L Anthony Towns is your problem. 17 00:00:49,479 --> 00:00:51,759 Speaker 4: Yeah, you get Karl Anthony Towns. You can have Jonathan 18 00:00:51,799 --> 00:00:54,880 kaminga a lot of potential there. You really got to 19 00:00:54,880 --> 00:00:56,479 give him a chance. Just needs to be in the 20 00:00:56,520 --> 00:00:59,520 right role. You're gonna love him two point zero coming. Yeah, 21 00:01:00,280 --> 00:01:02,840 with some Kauhi in there too. I definitely have said 22 00:01:02,920 --> 00:01:04,319 those things in the past. 23 00:01:04,439 --> 00:01:05,079 Speaker 3: Not proud of it. 24 00:01:05,680 --> 00:01:08,120 Speaker 2: The Celtics are way more fascinating at the trade deadline 25 00:01:08,120 --> 00:01:09,760 than I thought they were going to be coming into 26 00:01:09,799 --> 00:01:12,560 the season. Let's begin with their vitals. I can take 27 00:01:12,680 --> 00:01:16,040 us through Boston's. They are twelve point one million dollars 28 00:01:16,079 --> 00:01:18,439 over the luxury tax, which we all just assumed they 29 00:01:18,439 --> 00:01:21,079 were going to duck and now we don't know. They 30 00:01:21,120 --> 00:01:24,079 can trade up to two first round picks in twenty 31 00:01:24,239 --> 00:01:27,000 twenty six or twenty twenty seven, and their two thousand 32 00:01:27,040 --> 00:01:29,359 and thirty two pick, which is not frozen because they're 33 00:01:29,359 --> 00:01:31,920 not in the second apron. They owe a twenty twenty 34 00:01:31,920 --> 00:01:36,159 eight swap to San Antonio that's top one protection, and 35 00:01:36,200 --> 00:01:38,439 they owe a twenty twenty nine first round pick that 36 00:01:38,480 --> 00:01:42,959 will be conveyed to Portland or Washington, so uh, and 37 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:44,760 they can sorry. And the picks that they could trade, 38 00:01:44,760 --> 00:01:46,599 they could also. It's two thousand and thirty one or 39 00:01:46,640 --> 00:01:48,840 two thousand and thirty two, so it's not just those options. 40 00:01:48,840 --> 00:01:51,200 That's a type on my end. They do have four 41 00:01:51,400 --> 00:01:55,120 notable trade exceptions. Four million dollars from the Jaden Springer 42 00:01:55,159 --> 00:01:57,879 deal that expires the day after the trade deadline. They 43 00:01:57,920 --> 00:02:00,159 have that twenty two and a half million dollars from 44 00:02:00,159 --> 00:02:03,599 the christaps Porzingis trade that expires along with the four 45 00:02:03,640 --> 00:02:06,719 point seven million dollars from the New Holiday trade. Those 46 00:02:06,760 --> 00:02:10,439 two expire on July seventh. And finally, there are two 47 00:02:10,520 --> 00:02:13,520 George Nyang trade exceptions floating around, and Boston has one 48 00:02:13,560 --> 00:02:16,919 of them that expires in August and it is worth 49 00:02:16,919 --> 00:02:21,120 eight point two million dollars right now. I initially thought 50 00:02:21,680 --> 00:02:26,000 Grant months ago, weeks ago, maybe even that when we 51 00:02:26,039 --> 00:02:28,080 did this, this was going to be an exercise of 52 00:02:28,479 --> 00:02:31,080 how does Boston get out of the tax? My question 53 00:02:31,199 --> 00:02:34,120 to you now, though, is will Boston look to duck 54 00:02:34,199 --> 00:02:36,960 the tax or buy or are they going to try 55 00:02:36,960 --> 00:02:38,039 to figure out a way to do both? 56 00:02:38,199 --> 00:02:39,319 Speaker 1: What is going to happen here? 57 00:02:40,240 --> 00:02:43,759 Speaker 4: Well, you definitely read recently, I think Mike Scotto had 58 00:02:43,800 --> 00:02:48,280 it that they're, yeah, ducking the tax is a priority, 59 00:02:48,879 --> 00:02:52,000 but it's not like an organizational mandate under new ownership. 60 00:02:52,080 --> 00:02:55,879 And I think like Boston might be so ambitious as 61 00:02:55,919 --> 00:02:59,240 to say the answer to your question is yes, like 62 00:02:59,479 --> 00:03:02,240 they want to be able to do both somehow, which 63 00:03:02,280 --> 00:03:06,159 is like difficult but not impossible. However, I think if 64 00:03:06,159 --> 00:03:09,120 you're trying to go that like have it both ways 65 00:03:09,240 --> 00:03:12,280 duck thetax and get better, like Simons is the one 66 00:03:12,280 --> 00:03:15,159 that has to go, and then you're definitely also moving picks. 67 00:03:15,240 --> 00:03:20,439 Speaker 3: So but to not cheat the question, I think I 68 00:03:20,639 --> 00:03:21,400 still am hung up. 69 00:03:21,479 --> 00:03:23,560 Speaker 4: Maybe this is too being too married to prior's but 70 00:03:23,639 --> 00:03:25,560 like I still think ducking the tax makes way too 71 00:03:25,639 --> 00:03:29,199 much sense to not pursue as a first option. And 72 00:03:29,240 --> 00:03:32,159 if you can get better somehow in the process, great, 73 00:03:32,319 --> 00:03:35,599 But like, don't you think you and I think you 74 00:03:35,639 --> 00:03:36,400 still got to try. 75 00:03:36,280 --> 00:03:36,919 Speaker 3: To duck the tax. 76 00:03:37,360 --> 00:03:40,120 Speaker 2: I think you do for for this reason, just because 77 00:03:40,240 --> 00:03:42,680 for them to reset the repeater clock, I know there's 78 00:03:42,680 --> 00:03:45,159 a lot of confusion going around about this. They need 79 00:03:45,199 --> 00:03:48,159 to be out of the tax for two years, getting 80 00:03:48,199 --> 00:03:50,759 out of it this year because even though they're so good, 81 00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:54,280 just contending for the top two record in the Eastern Conference, 82 00:03:54,360 --> 00:03:56,680 their offense is insane. Then you figure out a way 83 00:03:56,719 --> 00:03:59,680 to crash the offensive class despite having basically no size 84 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:03,159 on this team. You duck the tax now because you're 85 00:04:03,159 --> 00:04:05,479 not expected to win the title. Then it's a little 86 00:04:05,479 --> 00:04:07,800 bit easier unless you're taking on money that leaks into 87 00:04:07,840 --> 00:04:10,439 next year to duck it next season as well. Sir, 88 00:04:10,560 --> 00:04:13,080 You're repeater clock is set and you can just spend 89 00:04:13,240 --> 00:04:16,800 like whoe. And in the era of aprons, where it's 90 00:04:16,839 --> 00:04:20,519 not just about paying these tax bills, it's about the 91 00:04:20,639 --> 00:04:23,199 roster building restrictions where you have to worry about being 92 00:04:23,240 --> 00:04:26,240 in the second apron for so long that draft picks 93 00:04:26,279 --> 00:04:28,000 gets frozen or moving to the end of it. You 94 00:04:28,040 --> 00:04:30,199 still have to reconcile with that. But if you can 95 00:04:30,240 --> 00:04:33,160 spend more freely, at least getting up to the second 96 00:04:33,199 --> 00:04:34,839 apron or going into it for a year and then 97 00:04:34,879 --> 00:04:38,600 stepping out. This feels like with the Jason Tatum injury, 98 00:04:38,639 --> 00:04:40,240 and now I just expect him to be back this 99 00:04:40,319 --> 00:04:42,680 year because they're so I'm assuming he will play. With 100 00:04:42,759 --> 00:04:45,279 the Jason Tatum injury, it's given you cover to do 101 00:04:45,360 --> 00:04:47,639 it for one year and then you kind of just sell, hey, look, 102 00:04:47,720 --> 00:04:49,839 we knew how to be competitive without Jason Tatum. Will 103 00:04:49,920 --> 00:04:51,720 kind of watching our money. We'll be able to do 104 00:04:51,720 --> 00:04:53,720 it next year with Jason Tatum, and then when we're 105 00:04:53,720 --> 00:04:55,959 ready to spend again, he'll be a year into his 106 00:04:56,000 --> 00:04:59,519 return from injury. That's why it's so important. And I 107 00:04:59,560 --> 00:05:02,199 do think they could be in a and I actually 108 00:05:02,199 --> 00:05:04,240 do have like a five four or five team trade 109 00:05:04,240 --> 00:05:05,360 that I'll pitch to you at the end that I 110 00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:07,920 think makes them better while getting them out of the tax. 111 00:05:08,240 --> 00:05:10,000 Speaker 1: But you try to do both. 112 00:05:10,439 --> 00:05:12,439 Speaker 2: If you have to pick which one is more important. 113 00:05:13,279 --> 00:05:15,399 To me, it's clearly ducking the tacks for what it 114 00:05:15,480 --> 00:05:16,839 means to the future of the team. 115 00:05:17,920 --> 00:05:21,560 Speaker 4: I think, so the pushback would be and I am 116 00:05:21,600 --> 00:05:25,639 still wrestling with this, like, yeah, the Pistons are really good. 117 00:05:25,680 --> 00:05:27,879 We still think the Calves something's wrong with the Calves, 118 00:05:27,920 --> 00:05:30,040 but maybe they figure it out. The East is kind 119 00:05:30,040 --> 00:05:33,040 of there. The Knicks can't guard anybody anywhere, Like the 120 00:05:33,079 --> 00:05:36,480 East is kind of there, and so like, I don't know, 121 00:05:36,480 --> 00:05:38,560 maybe this is too broad of a topic, but like 122 00:05:39,240 --> 00:05:41,439 this is a huge problem with all the aprons and 123 00:05:41,480 --> 00:05:43,360 the tax and everything, because the team is good as 124 00:05:43,399 --> 00:05:46,399 Boston right now, even if they didn't expect necessarily to 125 00:05:46,399 --> 00:05:49,360 be this good. Like, it's kind of wild that we 126 00:05:49,439 --> 00:05:51,480 have to eat that one. We both said, duck the 127 00:05:51,519 --> 00:05:54,120 tax is the priority as opposed to get better, to 128 00:05:54,120 --> 00:05:56,600 try to win your conference and make the finals. Like 129 00:05:56,639 --> 00:05:59,319 that's that's not great that I mean, that's the way 130 00:05:59,360 --> 00:06:03,360 the system. Yeah, to make teams like have this kind 131 00:06:03,360 --> 00:06:08,279 of I don't know, decision to make I would love 132 00:06:08,319 --> 00:06:10,639 it if they could get better and just screw it, 133 00:06:10,680 --> 00:06:13,560 But like I just kind of like it would be irresponsible, 134 00:06:13,639 --> 00:06:16,959 like financially one who cares, but competitively, like you're trying 135 00:06:16,959 --> 00:06:18,720 to set yourself up to have the best chance to 136 00:06:18,720 --> 00:06:22,560 win a title, just sort of in general. And it 137 00:06:22,839 --> 00:06:25,079 kind of seems like even though they're this good this year, 138 00:06:25,199 --> 00:06:27,759 ducking the tax is still the best way to this 139 00:06:27,839 --> 00:06:29,920 year and next is the best way to do that. 140 00:06:30,800 --> 00:06:33,360 Speaker 2: I think what's also tricky with them too is that 141 00:06:33,480 --> 00:06:35,079 I try to think about it through the lens of 142 00:06:35,120 --> 00:06:37,920 could they split the baby, as we like to say, 143 00:06:37,920 --> 00:06:40,839 because that's a real thing. Is you trim some of 144 00:06:40,879 --> 00:06:43,399 your tax bill now well not getting too much worse, 145 00:06:43,399 --> 00:06:46,040 Like you're replacing Sam Hauser with the player who makes X, 146 00:06:46,120 --> 00:06:48,040 or it's Anthony Simons with a player who makes X, 147 00:06:48,079 --> 00:06:49,680 and then you look to duck the tax before the 148 00:06:49,680 --> 00:06:53,480 calendar resets. Their books are such that that's really hard 149 00:06:53,480 --> 00:06:55,560 to do because you need to look at one, they 150 00:06:55,560 --> 00:06:59,079 don't have sizeable contracts that are also on the books 151 00:06:59,079 --> 00:07:01,480 for next year that they would actively want to move. 152 00:07:01,560 --> 00:07:02,240 Speaker 1: You don't want to move. 153 00:07:02,240 --> 00:07:05,000 Speaker 2: Peyton Pritchard at seven point eight million dollars ahead of 154 00:07:05,040 --> 00:07:07,519 next season. Sam Houser, Okay, sure, but then you need 155 00:07:07,560 --> 00:07:10,439 to make sure that you're within ten million dollars of 156 00:07:10,519 --> 00:07:14,000 ducking the tacks. So maybe that's a little bit more realistic. 157 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:15,839 If you think you could just pawn off san Hauser 158 00:07:15,879 --> 00:07:18,800 on someone like on Draft night, then can you trade 159 00:07:18,800 --> 00:07:21,879 Anthony Simons for a slightly cheaper player and go that? 160 00:07:22,639 --> 00:07:26,000 So maybe they approach it that way, But to your point, 161 00:07:26,040 --> 00:07:28,079 there's so much better it makes it harder to do. 162 00:07:28,160 --> 00:07:31,839 But I am playing as an armchair GM the longer 163 00:07:31,920 --> 00:07:34,480 game here because okay, cool, the East is up for grabs. 164 00:07:34,480 --> 00:07:36,360 What does that mean you're gonna go into the West? 165 00:07:36,399 --> 00:07:39,959 And do you think there's any realistic passway pathway never mind? Okay, 166 00:07:40,000 --> 00:07:42,120 see who up hears kind of vulnerable at this point, 167 00:07:42,120 --> 00:07:46,160 But how many of those West teams Denver, Houston, Minnesota? 168 00:07:47,480 --> 00:07:50,600 Speaker 1: Okay? See, like are you picking Boston. 169 00:07:50,240 --> 00:07:52,120 Speaker 3: To Yeah, you're saying it. 170 00:07:52,240 --> 00:07:55,360 Speaker 4: It's Puncher's chance territory, and that presumes Tatum is back 171 00:07:55,399 --> 00:07:59,920 and is eighty sixty percent Yeah, like some some high percent, 172 00:08:00,160 --> 00:08:03,800 which is probably fair unfair to expect. So so yeah, 173 00:08:03,959 --> 00:08:06,240 like the best you're doing is Puncher's chance the way 174 00:08:06,560 --> 00:08:08,399 looking at it now, like. 175 00:08:10,439 --> 00:08:10,879 Speaker 1: Well, I don't know. 176 00:08:10,879 --> 00:08:12,439 Speaker 3: I don't want to jump ahead of what we're going 177 00:08:12,480 --> 00:08:14,319 to talk about. So so what's. 178 00:08:14,079 --> 00:08:18,240 Speaker 4: What Houser is the easy move if you're trying to 179 00:08:18,319 --> 00:08:20,560 duck it this year because Simon's is gonna come off 180 00:08:20,560 --> 00:08:23,079 the books, well, it can't just be Hauser. 181 00:08:23,120 --> 00:08:25,360 Speaker 2: He comes right, And that's the problems is because now 182 00:08:25,399 --> 00:08:27,399 if you move Hauser and you say, well, we'll make 183 00:08:27,439 --> 00:08:30,439 it up later, it's it gets harder to do because okay, 184 00:08:30,439 --> 00:08:32,279 Anthony Simons is coming off the books, do you want 185 00:08:32,279 --> 00:08:33,759 to move Peyton Prichard? 186 00:08:34,000 --> 00:08:35,440 Speaker 1: So that's where it gets tricky. 187 00:08:35,559 --> 00:08:39,120 Speaker 2: It almost it has to be Simon's, but as I mean, 188 00:08:39,159 --> 00:08:40,720 it could be Sam Hauser as well, but it has 189 00:08:40,759 --> 00:08:42,320 to be some sort of a Simon's deal. Who by 190 00:08:42,360 --> 00:08:45,279 the way, as we're recording, this is setting the world 191 00:08:45,399 --> 00:08:46,279 on fire. 192 00:08:46,320 --> 00:08:48,919 Speaker 4: Right like, well, and that's that that's gone back and 193 00:08:48,919 --> 00:08:50,720 forth because for a for a good stretch of the 194 00:08:50,759 --> 00:08:52,120 early part of the season, I was just like, well, 195 00:08:52,120 --> 00:08:54,320 he's not helping anyway, so of course they can they 196 00:08:54,360 --> 00:08:57,000 can afford to just move off him. But because this 197 00:08:57,080 --> 00:09:00,440 is kind of a two year thing with needing to 198 00:09:00,440 --> 00:09:02,480 be out of the tax next year too. Don't you 199 00:09:02,559 --> 00:09:05,399 need to be careful moving Simons? Like you can't just 200 00:09:05,440 --> 00:09:10,279 take back again expiring deal at twenty almost twenty eight million, 201 00:09:11,720 --> 00:09:14,240 Like where are you sending him? That's not sending you 202 00:09:14,279 --> 00:09:17,200 back longer term money which you don't want. I guess, 203 00:09:17,240 --> 00:09:19,120 Like it's a big enough number that if you just 204 00:09:19,200 --> 00:09:22,120 take back someone that makes twelve million dollars less than 205 00:09:22,159 --> 00:09:23,679 you're okay, But you know what I mean, Like it 206 00:09:23,720 --> 00:09:26,279 can't just you still need to be a little judicious 207 00:09:26,279 --> 00:09:28,759 about what you're taking back for Simons. 208 00:09:29,720 --> 00:09:32,519 Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's I mean you also cutting twelve million 209 00:09:32,600 --> 00:09:35,840 dollars in at the trade. The line is not the 210 00:09:35,879 --> 00:09:37,600 nets have cap space to do it, and that's it. 211 00:09:38,120 --> 00:09:40,240 And so who from the nets are you getting for 212 00:09:40,279 --> 00:09:42,039 Anthony Simons? Then you have to Now you're in a 213 00:09:42,399 --> 00:09:44,279 Now you're in the position of did we just have 214 00:09:44,320 --> 00:09:47,720 to attach something to a player who's helping us because 215 00:09:47,720 --> 00:09:49,240 we want to get out of the tax. You could 216 00:09:49,279 --> 00:09:53,120 do something like sign ins to Charlotte for Colin Sexton 217 00:09:53,320 --> 00:09:54,919 and maybe that's a deal they would do straight up, 218 00:09:55,000 --> 00:09:57,519 or they're sending you Mason Plumley too, is a minimum? 219 00:09:57,639 --> 00:10:01,480 Then you're looking at Okay, we shaved what ten in 220 00:10:01,519 --> 00:10:03,879 that scenario? So do you make a Houser deal to 221 00:10:03,879 --> 00:10:06,720 make up the rest is that, like you know, con 222 00:10:06,720 --> 00:10:08,799 Sexton could be he's not gonna give you the same 223 00:10:08,879 --> 00:10:11,440 type of shooting element as Simon's. Maybe some more you know, 224 00:10:11,879 --> 00:10:14,159 passing out of drives for sure, and just more you 225 00:10:14,399 --> 00:10:17,879 driving in basket pressure should be in general, but even 226 00:10:17,919 --> 00:10:21,600 that is just okay, Like you've took a on expiring money, 227 00:10:21,600 --> 00:10:23,480 I guess that should be the goal. And if like, 228 00:10:23,720 --> 00:10:25,799 if you have to, you shouldn't need to attach something 229 00:10:25,799 --> 00:10:27,519 in a trade like that, I would think. Because Simon's 230 00:10:27,600 --> 00:10:30,960 right now has been by slightly better than Colin Sexton. 231 00:10:31,120 --> 00:10:33,320 He's certainly he's playing a bigger role for his team 232 00:10:33,360 --> 00:10:34,720 right now than Colin Sexton is. 233 00:10:35,240 --> 00:10:39,120 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's easier to envision Simon's helping a winner just 234 00:10:39,120 --> 00:10:40,159 because like he's got kind of. 235 00:10:40,159 --> 00:10:42,120 Speaker 2: What if Labello is coming off the bench, do you 236 00:10:42,159 --> 00:10:48,200 want him and Simons. 237 00:10:46,320 --> 00:10:48,639 Speaker 4: Well, he's giving look the best way to manage an 238 00:10:48,639 --> 00:10:51,200 ancle injury just and you get your fourth quarter minutes up? 239 00:10:51,240 --> 00:10:54,080 Speaker 2: What do you make of young role players aspiring to 240 00:10:54,120 --> 00:10:55,960 get back and back in the starting lineup? 241 00:10:55,960 --> 00:10:56,720 Speaker 1: It's really good. 242 00:10:57,639 --> 00:11:01,360 Speaker 4: Uh what do you so speaking of like the threading 243 00:11:01,399 --> 00:11:04,080 the needle or like attaching a pick to move Simons. 244 00:11:04,480 --> 00:11:07,279 You wouldn't be comfortable doing that for the Sexton level 245 00:11:07,279 --> 00:11:10,240 of player. But like Zubots, if it's Zubats name has 246 00:11:10,320 --> 00:11:11,879 kind of been thrown out there a little bit, which 247 00:11:11,919 --> 00:11:13,559 is like that's an upgrade. 248 00:11:13,879 --> 00:11:16,799 Speaker 3: Uh, you're you're getting better. You would save money. 249 00:11:16,879 --> 00:11:17,879 Speaker 1: I don't have one. 250 00:11:18,080 --> 00:11:19,559 Speaker 4: I want to look it up and see, like how 251 00:11:19,679 --> 00:11:23,879 the twenty seven point six you get from Simon's minus Zubots, 252 00:11:23,919 --> 00:11:24,720 who makes. 253 00:11:24,559 --> 00:11:27,919 Speaker 2: You're saving nine point five? And that's assuming that you 254 00:11:27,960 --> 00:11:33,120 can find the Clippers would have to send like someone others, Yeah. 255 00:11:32,919 --> 00:11:35,639 Speaker 3: You're you're getting a third team involved there. Again, let's 256 00:11:35,679 --> 00:11:36,240 called Brooklyn. 257 00:11:36,279 --> 00:11:38,200 Speaker 4: I think Utah has some wiggle room you could mess 258 00:11:38,240 --> 00:11:43,080 with too, for surely, but like, are you attaching. 259 00:11:42,720 --> 00:11:45,279 Speaker 3: If it's simon territory? 260 00:11:45,360 --> 00:11:47,240 Speaker 4: Gotta be both of the picks you can trade, right, 261 00:11:47,240 --> 00:11:49,679 do you wanna? Zubots is a really good I mean, 262 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:51,879 that makes a lot of sense, and he does address 263 00:11:51,919 --> 00:11:54,279 a huge issue, which is they just don't I mean, 264 00:11:54,360 --> 00:11:56,120 I like it as much as the next guy, but. 265 00:11:56,360 --> 00:11:59,559 Speaker 2: What are they And it's you know, it's cool to 266 00:11:59,600 --> 00:12:01,440 see play well. 267 00:12:01,440 --> 00:12:03,720 Speaker 1: It's cool to see Luca Garzara play well. 268 00:12:04,600 --> 00:12:07,879 Speaker 2: But they're small and they're not I mean, look, if 269 00:12:07,919 --> 00:12:10,440 they've definitely outperformed their center roads or you should say 270 00:12:10,440 --> 00:12:13,440 their centers of outperformed expectation, they're they're quote unquote bigs, 271 00:12:13,679 --> 00:12:16,679 but I think they need like a bigger body in here. Yeah, 272 00:12:16,720 --> 00:12:19,240 and Zubots would be the we've attached first round picks. 273 00:12:19,559 --> 00:12:23,360 On a smaller scale, this will bleed into targets withthe 274 00:12:23,399 --> 00:12:25,399 not like you could go the day Ron Sharp route, 275 00:12:25,440 --> 00:12:27,639 like that's someone who would certainly help them. And you 276 00:12:27,679 --> 00:12:29,279 also ask yourself, well, how much do you want to 277 00:12:29,320 --> 00:12:31,720 mess with what you're getting from all these but like 278 00:12:31,799 --> 00:12:35,279 are you trading? So now is Cada okay not being 279 00:12:35,480 --> 00:12:37,320 your starter? How much is he still going to be 280 00:12:37,399 --> 00:12:40,440 useful in that role? I don't know, Like do you 281 00:12:40,480 --> 00:12:42,919 want to mess with what's happening now either, Like it's 282 00:12:42,919 --> 00:12:44,799 not even messed with, but now you're trying to double 283 00:12:44,840 --> 00:12:47,279 down on it. And what are the risks of I 284 00:12:47,279 --> 00:12:50,519 mean like Cada and Zubots are just two very different players, 285 00:12:50,519 --> 00:12:52,919 and so you will change the complexion of at least 286 00:12:52,919 --> 00:12:54,480 on offense, how you're going to operate. 287 00:12:55,679 --> 00:12:59,000 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I think Cada is such has been 288 00:12:59,039 --> 00:13:03,120 such a fine and uh that like, I can see 289 00:13:03,120 --> 00:13:07,039 how it's tempting if you're Boston to be like great 290 00:13:07,120 --> 00:13:10,240 value like he's given. He's been a starting caliber center. 291 00:13:10,320 --> 00:13:11,840 I don't know where you'd rank him, but I think 292 00:13:11,840 --> 00:13:14,440 he just has been, Like I don't think you can 293 00:13:15,120 --> 00:13:18,879 let that distract from the fact that like Zubots is, like, 294 00:13:18,960 --> 00:13:21,440 I mean, he was one of the dressed half dozen 295 00:13:21,480 --> 00:13:23,360 centers in the league last year, And maybe that under 296 00:13:23,360 --> 00:13:23,799 sells it. 297 00:13:24,200 --> 00:13:25,639 Speaker 3: I think I think if. 298 00:13:25,519 --> 00:13:29,679 Speaker 4: It's I think I would I would pretty quickly put 299 00:13:29,799 --> 00:13:33,200 two firsts and the salary necessary on the table for 300 00:13:33,320 --> 00:13:34,600 Zubots Would you would you? 301 00:13:34,639 --> 00:13:36,000 Speaker 3: Would that be an easy call for you? 302 00:13:36,039 --> 00:13:38,720 Speaker 4: Like and and then Kada is a great backup, you know, 303 00:13:39,120 --> 00:13:39,879 great backup. 304 00:13:41,200 --> 00:13:42,879 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I would do it. 305 00:13:43,279 --> 00:13:47,960 Speaker 2: But you have to be are you doing it whilst 306 00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:50,480 like so that gets you if you're giving up Simon, 307 00:13:50,519 --> 00:13:52,679 you're saving somebody you you're still doing that with the 308 00:13:52,679 --> 00:13:54,440 intention then of well, now we've given up two first 309 00:13:54,519 --> 00:13:57,159 round picks, we've shaved nine million or whatever they end 310 00:13:57,240 --> 00:13:57,519 up ship. 311 00:13:57,799 --> 00:13:59,799 Speaker 1: You have to get rid of Sam haws Er ductive 312 00:13:59,799 --> 00:14:00,440 hack right at that. 313 00:14:00,360 --> 00:14:02,720 Speaker 4: Point, right and comes you don't have the picks to attach, 314 00:14:02,840 --> 00:14:05,639 and you're just like, give us someone two million dollars 315 00:14:05,720 --> 00:14:08,320 cheaper than Hawser basically right, Like, that's that's what you're 316 00:14:08,360 --> 00:14:10,519 hoping for. Yeah, I think you can do that. I 317 00:14:10,519 --> 00:14:13,440 think Howser's like a rotation player. You can just take 318 00:14:13,480 --> 00:14:16,279 back somebody that's bad that makes six or able to get. 319 00:14:16,559 --> 00:14:17,919 Speaker 2: You know what my first thought was, is I know 320 00:14:17,960 --> 00:14:21,440 that you know them playing him over Jordan Walsh was 321 00:14:21,440 --> 00:14:23,240 they're just trying to showcase him for the dead vibe. 322 00:14:23,279 --> 00:14:24,960 Speaker 1: Now my brain went up. 323 00:14:26,120 --> 00:14:28,360 Speaker 3: I mean it could be. Yeah, I mean I don't 324 00:14:28,399 --> 00:14:30,080 know what else their other needs are. 325 00:14:30,080 --> 00:14:32,000 Speaker 4: They'd be cool if they had Jason Tatum back, which 326 00:14:32,039 --> 00:14:34,279 will happen, and then after that it's it is just 327 00:14:34,559 --> 00:14:35,519 the big situation. 328 00:14:35,519 --> 00:14:38,120 Speaker 3: Because they got enough guards and wings, I would say 329 00:14:38,159 --> 00:14:38,480 they have it. 330 00:14:38,519 --> 00:14:40,720 Speaker 2: Do you think they if you're getting rid of Simon's 331 00:14:41,200 --> 00:14:43,440 do you think that they have enough ball handlers on 332 00:14:43,519 --> 00:14:48,159 this team Pritchard, White, Brown and. 333 00:14:47,759 --> 00:14:51,080 Speaker 4: And I keep throwing Tatum in there, Yes if I think, 334 00:14:51,080 --> 00:14:54,399 But I mean Brown has such a high like such 335 00:14:54,440 --> 00:14:56,639 high usage and is on the ball so like I 336 00:14:56,679 --> 00:15:00,600 think I think him turning into this version of him 337 00:15:00,759 --> 00:15:04,000 allows you to like to Pritcher and Whiter, that's plenty, 338 00:15:04,120 --> 00:15:07,240 I would say. I. I mean maybe as a luxury, 339 00:15:07,279 --> 00:15:09,240 you might want other guy, want one other player who 340 00:15:09,240 --> 00:15:12,360 can dribble. But I still think upfront is where the 341 00:15:12,600 --> 00:15:14,200 pretty obvious hole is. 342 00:15:15,720 --> 00:15:19,399 Speaker 2: I'm probably with you, I might investigate getting another like 343 00:15:19,519 --> 00:15:22,639 ball handler type like in Io to Mover's gonname Io 344 00:15:22,720 --> 00:15:25,440 Desumu for every team. It doesn't need to be Oh 345 00:15:25,480 --> 00:15:28,480 the go, get Jah Moran or just someone ridiculous or 346 00:15:28,600 --> 00:15:30,559 Kobe White even it doesn't need to be on that level. 347 00:15:30,600 --> 00:15:34,519 But I'd probably like to see it. Uh So let's talk. 348 00:15:35,320 --> 00:15:37,559 We have any names, let's bring to mind for them. 349 00:15:37,600 --> 00:15:40,960 We mentioned Zubots, we mentioned Dayron Sharp, That's been a 350 00:15:40,960 --> 00:15:45,159 popular one for them. Yeah, I thought about the guys 351 00:15:45,159 --> 00:15:47,960 were always kind of like in the Desummu and White 352 00:15:48,000 --> 00:15:51,600 and Sexton class for guards, like I think Gafford, I 353 00:15:51,600 --> 00:15:52,679 think Claxton. 354 00:15:52,919 --> 00:15:55,879 Speaker 4: I think, uh, I forget who else. I'm what other 355 00:15:56,159 --> 00:15:59,960 big options I had one other bring back time Lord 356 00:16:00,679 --> 00:16:01,840 time warn back around. 357 00:16:01,840 --> 00:16:02,720 Speaker 1: It's really interesting. 358 00:16:03,519 --> 00:16:07,559 Speaker 2: Claxton would be super interesting, does Simons and Houser so 359 00:16:07,600 --> 00:16:09,840 that gets you to what twenty seven and a half 360 00:16:09,840 --> 00:16:12,159 plus ten? That's thirty seven and a half. Do you 361 00:16:12,440 --> 00:16:14,559 just ducked Attacks if you trade if that's the money 362 00:16:14,559 --> 00:16:16,559 you send out for, I don't know how many picks 363 00:16:16,600 --> 00:16:18,799 would need to be attached, But Claxton's at twenty five 364 00:16:18,960 --> 00:16:19,799 right or is he over? 365 00:16:20,279 --> 00:16:21,679 Speaker 1: He's at twenty five four? 366 00:16:22,360 --> 00:16:25,919 Speaker 4: That's really close. Simons and Howser actually gets you get 367 00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:30,679 you close to like thirty eight because twenty seven. 368 00:16:29,799 --> 00:16:33,519 Speaker 2: Seven thirty seven to seven? Did you get That's like, 369 00:16:33,879 --> 00:16:37,480 are you just underneath Attacks at that point? That's a 370 00:16:37,480 --> 00:16:40,039 difference of like twelve point three million dollars. I think 371 00:16:40,399 --> 00:16:41,120 that's insane. 372 00:16:41,320 --> 00:16:44,039 Speaker 4: And they're twelve twelve to one. Oh yeah, so I 373 00:16:44,080 --> 00:16:49,600 mean so that's interesting. Simons and Houser plus both firsts 374 00:16:49,639 --> 00:16:52,440 for Claxton, Yeah. 375 00:16:52,279 --> 00:16:53,840 Speaker 2: I mean I would do it if I was Boston. 376 00:16:54,120 --> 00:16:56,240 I mean, you're sending out two useful players, but they're 377 00:16:56,279 --> 00:16:59,279 players that one Simons is just coming off the books. 378 00:16:59,279 --> 00:17:01,600 Then that may maybe you could do something where Simon's 379 00:17:01,679 --> 00:17:04,720 going to another team that's sending Brooklyn cheaper players, but 380 00:17:04,759 --> 00:17:06,920 Howser is the only one in that deal that maybe 381 00:17:06,920 --> 00:17:08,640 Brooklyn can view as oh, we might be able to 382 00:17:08,640 --> 00:17:11,039 flip him for something down the line. 383 00:17:11,319 --> 00:17:14,960 Speaker 4: So is your new closing five as a healthy Boston 384 00:17:15,000 --> 00:17:19,000 team Prichard, White, Brown, Tatum, Claxton. 385 00:17:19,599 --> 00:17:20,640 Speaker 3: It's pretty hay what else? 386 00:17:20,680 --> 00:17:22,279 Speaker 1: What else would it be? I don't know. 387 00:17:22,319 --> 00:17:24,640 Speaker 4: You put Peyton, put Pritchard back on the bench, and 388 00:17:24,720 --> 00:17:29,599 if Tatum's not there then it's like Walsh, I guess, right, 389 00:17:29,759 --> 00:17:31,799 is I don't know who you play cato with Claxton? 390 00:17:31,839 --> 00:17:32,440 Speaker 1: Try that out. 391 00:17:33,440 --> 00:17:38,359 Speaker 2: I know Gonzalez has been like messing a bunch of 392 00:17:38,359 --> 00:17:39,759 people up on the defensive end. 393 00:17:39,960 --> 00:17:42,200 Speaker 4: I think you want, you want more spacing than you're 394 00:17:42,200 --> 00:17:44,720 gonna get. That's the thing with Claxton is like the 395 00:17:44,759 --> 00:17:47,599 playmakings there. But I do think Boston is for a 396 00:17:47,640 --> 00:17:49,440 long time, not so much this year, but for a 397 00:17:49,440 --> 00:17:52,759 long time has valued spacing at the five right. 398 00:17:53,000 --> 00:17:56,000 Speaker 2: By the way, speaking of that, like just shooting in general. 399 00:17:56,799 --> 00:17:59,440 If you're giving up Simon's and Howser, who are two 400 00:17:59,440 --> 00:18:00,519 guys that let's. 401 00:18:00,319 --> 00:18:00,680 Speaker 1: Just look at it. 402 00:18:00,759 --> 00:18:03,640 Speaker 2: Since December first they're shooting above thirty nine percent from 403 00:18:03,680 --> 00:18:06,279 three and now you're trading them. We've traded them for 404 00:18:06,440 --> 00:18:10,279 bigs in two bots or like I'm curious to see 405 00:18:10,279 --> 00:18:11,960 what that would do to the offense. I'd probably still 406 00:18:11,960 --> 00:18:13,640 do it because you know Tatum's coming back, so the 407 00:18:13,680 --> 00:18:15,000 shooting will eventually be there. 408 00:18:15,039 --> 00:18:17,240 Speaker 1: But that is something to think about. 409 00:18:17,599 --> 00:18:20,880 Speaker 4: You trust White and Pritchard to get up plenty of 410 00:18:20,920 --> 00:18:23,680 threes and and Brown has Brown. The one thing Brown 411 00:18:23,720 --> 00:18:27,039 hasn't done like perfectly this year is make threes. But 412 00:18:27,079 --> 00:18:29,640 I would trust him and Tatum. Once Tatum's back to 413 00:18:29,960 --> 00:18:33,039 you'd be fine. You'd have four shooters that every defense 414 00:18:33,119 --> 00:18:35,119 is freaked out about. That's I mean, that's that's the 415 00:18:35,160 --> 00:18:38,279 second best you can do. Five is a luxury fours 416 00:18:38,599 --> 00:18:39,759 fours where most teams are. 417 00:18:39,799 --> 00:18:43,200 Speaker 2: You know, you did mention spacing. What about Jock Landale? 418 00:18:43,599 --> 00:18:46,119 He's making the minimum, Memphis isn't gonna have bird rights. 419 00:18:47,200 --> 00:18:50,240 Speaker 3: I mean that's so that's just that's this can't be it. 420 00:18:50,279 --> 00:18:53,200 Speaker 4: That's irrelevant to their tax thing, I would think, because 421 00:18:53,559 --> 00:18:57,039 like what is Memphis gave a little bit of money. Yeah, 422 00:18:57,240 --> 00:18:58,799 so who's going out in that? Is that like a 423 00:18:58,799 --> 00:18:59,640 Houser thing. 424 00:19:00,200 --> 00:19:02,359 Speaker 1: Or I mean, I just what's what salary? Don't you? 425 00:19:02,359 --> 00:19:04,119 Speaker 2: They could probably take them to the minimum exception if 426 00:19:04,119 --> 00:19:06,279 they wanted to. If they're giving like second, Yeah, okay, 427 00:19:06,319 --> 00:19:09,319 so you're just addressing me just like could be the 428 00:19:09,359 --> 00:19:13,400 out like just yeah, well, although this would save a 429 00:19:13,440 --> 00:19:15,279 bunch of money, I don't know if it really fills 430 00:19:15,279 --> 00:19:18,799 the need. But because Washington has exceptions galore, what if 431 00:19:18,839 --> 00:19:22,119 you sent them Hauser for Marvin Bagley? 432 00:19:24,400 --> 00:19:27,880 Speaker 4: Not a Bagley guy, he's the although he's defied my 433 00:19:27,960 --> 00:19:31,400 expectations by still being in the league at this point. 434 00:19:31,759 --> 00:19:34,039 I mean he's like, he's like a livelier body I 435 00:19:34,039 --> 00:19:37,079 guess than like Garza, but that's not that's not hard 436 00:19:37,119 --> 00:19:37,279 to be. 437 00:19:38,640 --> 00:19:39,240 Speaker 3: I don't know. 438 00:19:39,039 --> 00:19:41,759 Speaker 4: I like I like Landale better just because he gives 439 00:19:41,759 --> 00:19:45,880 you a dimension that's like that Boston clearly values and 440 00:19:45,880 --> 00:19:48,279 and I don't know, offensively, he's a little more interesting 441 00:19:48,319 --> 00:19:50,880 to me. I would honestly, what would you have to 442 00:19:50,880 --> 00:19:54,119 give Washington to do the Houser deal? So you're sending 443 00:19:54,119 --> 00:19:56,720 Sam Hauser into an exception and then to get back 444 00:19:56,759 --> 00:19:58,839 because when you look at this team, what are the 445 00:19:59,000 --> 00:20:01,200 three in d guys on it? 446 00:20:02,599 --> 00:20:04,480 Speaker 3: Jalmen other than the stars? 447 00:20:04,599 --> 00:20:08,880 Speaker 4: Yeah, like you wouldn't say, you wouldn't say Walsh might 448 00:20:08,960 --> 00:20:11,480 not uh who else is even. 449 00:20:11,359 --> 00:20:13,319 Speaker 2: You're not gonna say you Logan Zales at this point, 450 00:20:13,720 --> 00:20:17,920 no take to get of it like they have. I 451 00:20:17,920 --> 00:20:21,799 think they have three seconds they could trade. Does that 452 00:20:21,839 --> 00:20:22,799 get you? 453 00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:28,359 Speaker 4: Justin Champagne with Howser as the outgoing money, that's I mean, 454 00:20:28,400 --> 00:20:31,319 he replaces the kiss burt of it all in Washington. 455 00:20:32,920 --> 00:20:37,279 Speaker 3: That's interesting. You probably will. 456 00:20:37,759 --> 00:20:41,759 Speaker 4: I mean, Howser's a better player than Champagne maybe, right 457 00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:42,400 kind of. 458 00:20:42,559 --> 00:20:46,319 Speaker 2: I think he's he has a dominant skill or like 459 00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:49,079 he can do something that's more marketable I would say 460 00:20:49,079 --> 00:20:52,839 than Champagne. But Champagnie just does like he could play 461 00:20:52,880 --> 00:20:55,400 center with the way the Celtics play, like the stuff 462 00:20:55,440 --> 00:20:57,640 he could do around the basket defensively. 463 00:20:57,640 --> 00:21:01,119 Speaker 4: Yeah, I do, Like, I just love the both champagnees 464 00:21:01,279 --> 00:21:03,559 are are very relevant right now. 465 00:21:03,720 --> 00:21:07,559 Speaker 2: That's making under three percent of the salary cap combat right, probably. 466 00:21:07,880 --> 00:21:10,519 Speaker 3: Like that's interesting. 467 00:21:10,559 --> 00:21:13,799 Speaker 4: I mean, I guess the question then is, I mean, 468 00:21:13,920 --> 00:21:16,839 Washington probably should do that, right if you're getting an 469 00:21:16,880 --> 00:21:19,519 asset attached to Houser, who at least debatably is the 470 00:21:19,519 --> 00:21:22,759 better player anyway, and you've got still a bunch of 471 00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:25,039 money that you're going to have to spend even after 472 00:21:25,119 --> 00:21:27,759 trade to get to the floor this this next year, 473 00:21:28,160 --> 00:21:30,279 that's I mean from Washington perspective, I don't hate it. 474 00:21:30,519 --> 00:21:32,839 I don't know if I don't know, if that maybe 475 00:21:32,839 --> 00:21:36,559 the Celtics might value the specialist skill set a little more, 476 00:21:37,119 --> 00:21:38,440 because that's still not getting you out of. 477 00:21:38,440 --> 00:21:40,119 Speaker 3: The tax in this hypothetical either. 478 00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:42,119 Speaker 1: No, but you're saving a ton of If you're not, 479 00:21:42,359 --> 00:21:45,240 you're saving a ton of money. Still, Well, that's. 480 00:21:45,119 --> 00:21:47,359 Speaker 3: An interesting so do you does it matter? 481 00:21:47,640 --> 00:21:50,359 Speaker 4: It's not our money that uh, but like does it 482 00:21:50,480 --> 00:21:54,039 matter if they save tax money? If it isn't enough 483 00:21:54,359 --> 00:21:57,279 to get under the actual tax line, it's. 484 00:21:57,160 --> 00:21:59,480 Speaker 1: Just about that saves your tax bill. 485 00:21:59,519 --> 00:22:01,599 Speaker 2: This is that's more of a conversation for Denver to 486 00:22:01,599 --> 00:22:03,920 where it's if they can get out of the tax 487 00:22:03,920 --> 00:22:06,599 and they get part of like the teams that are 488 00:22:06,599 --> 00:22:08,599 paying into the tax, now you get part of that profit. 489 00:22:09,119 --> 00:22:11,240 So a team that like Denver staring at the second 490 00:22:11,279 --> 00:22:13,720 apron next year, is well, I need to profit while 491 00:22:13,759 --> 00:22:15,519 I can because I'm about to go into the second apron, 492 00:22:15,599 --> 00:22:20,200 or so they claim. Yeah, I thought about this name. 493 00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:22,400 So I don't know what the permutation. This is not 494 00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:25,680 a tax ducking move. You're including assets if you want 495 00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:28,720 to duck the tax, they're probably like four or five 496 00:22:28,799 --> 00:22:31,759 six teams involved. What would it take? Just because they're 497 00:22:31,799 --> 00:22:34,279 clearly looking to reorient something. I don't think this is 498 00:22:34,319 --> 00:22:37,240 the player that they're thinking about moving. But on Yakakungu 499 00:22:37,319 --> 00:22:38,200 for this team. 500 00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:40,039 Speaker 3: I do like that. 501 00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:43,720 Speaker 4: I think he gives you a lot of what Claxton 502 00:22:43,799 --> 00:22:47,200 does plus some stretch. Probably not not as good a 503 00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:51,640 facilitator and probably not as good a I mean defensively, 504 00:22:52,039 --> 00:22:55,400 certainly hasn't had the accolades Claxton does. Yeah, that's a 505 00:22:56,200 --> 00:22:59,440 that's an interesting one, just just out of curiosity, like 506 00:22:59,519 --> 00:23:02,519 what what's going where in that hypothetical? 507 00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:04,519 Speaker 2: I think you need a third team to take on 508 00:23:04,759 --> 00:23:07,759 Simon's and then you're sending out two first round picks, 509 00:23:07,759 --> 00:23:10,759 like is it you send sext into Atlanta, Simons to 510 00:23:10,839 --> 00:23:12,920 Charlotte and you're hoping that they don't need picks to 511 00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:14,559 make like their end of it work, and then you're 512 00:23:14,559 --> 00:23:18,720 sending two first to Atlanta for who? Actually I think 513 00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:21,039 he makes how much less does he make. 514 00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:21,440 Speaker 4: It every. 515 00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:25,039 Speaker 3: Fifteen this year? Sixteen to one next year? 516 00:23:25,079 --> 00:23:28,359 Speaker 4: So if it's Simon, Yeah, if Simons goes out and 517 00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:30,920 a cong Wu comes in, you're out of the text and. 518 00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:32,640 Speaker 2: You could Also, if you really wanted to, I guess 519 00:23:32,759 --> 00:23:34,759 if you believe that you can dump Houser, you can 520 00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:36,279 offer to take back more. 521 00:23:36,119 --> 00:23:37,559 Speaker 1: Money as part of that trade. 522 00:23:37,559 --> 00:23:39,680 Speaker 4: Then yeah, I kind of think a coong Wu was 523 00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:41,559 part of the plan in Atlanta, though, don't you. 524 00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:42,680 Speaker 1: I don't disagree. 525 00:23:42,799 --> 00:23:44,480 Speaker 2: I'm just wondering if, like, what would they have to 526 00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:47,039 put on the table to say, if they said, Hugo 527 00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:50,279 Gonzales in two first round picks and you're making this out, 528 00:23:50,319 --> 00:23:53,319 you're getting a cheaper expiring contract, does that move Atlanta 529 00:23:53,359 --> 00:23:53,599 at all? 530 00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:53,880 Speaker 1: Or no? 531 00:23:57,279 --> 00:23:58,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, I could see it. 532 00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:02,400 Speaker 4: Get get the picks, and just I mean, well, how 533 00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:04,640 much is Atlanta going to value these picks that obviously 534 00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:05,680 didn't prioritize. 535 00:24:06,079 --> 00:24:09,200 Speaker 2: Also, if they are interested in Anthony Davis, is this 536 00:24:09,319 --> 00:24:11,240 or they planning on paying all of the Congo Woo 537 00:24:11,279 --> 00:24:14,039 Anthony Davis and Christos Porzingis moving forward? 538 00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:18,200 Speaker 4: Well, well, if you're getting Anthony Davis, Porzingis is going out? Yeah, 539 00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:21,799 you're right, yes, And then but then well, if you 540 00:24:21,799 --> 00:24:25,200 have Anthony Davis, you probably want a very fairly priced 541 00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:26,160 backup center. 542 00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:29,839 Speaker 3: Available, which akong Wu is ye, so that Yeah, I 543 00:24:29,839 --> 00:24:30,160 don't know. 544 00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:33,519 Speaker 4: I think Boston Boston, that's an easy call. Atlanta might 545 00:24:33,559 --> 00:24:37,440 be less less into it. But in theory, like those 546 00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:39,319 extra picks, if you turn around and use those to 547 00:24:39,319 --> 00:24:42,200 get Davis, you worry about the backup situation later. 548 00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:45,480 Speaker 2: Are there any big we mentioned Dayiron Sharp right, any 549 00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:47,559 other bigs that kind of spring them up? Would they 550 00:24:47,599 --> 00:24:50,279 like a reunion with Gershan Jabuceli? Could I interest them? 551 00:24:51,039 --> 00:24:53,200 Speaker 4: Stop trying to get players off the Knicks that you 552 00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:56,039 don't want on the Knicks. It's very transparent. What's happening 553 00:24:56,079 --> 00:25:01,519 here other centers? Let's see, Uh, would they want Al 554 00:25:01,559 --> 00:25:02,200 Horford back? 555 00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:02,880 Speaker 3: Get that? 556 00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:06,119 Speaker 1: Actually, Andrew did text me. I don't think he might 557 00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:07,400 be sure. He did text me about that. 558 00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:10,880 Speaker 2: What would it cost to get from the Warriors? 559 00:25:12,279 --> 00:25:14,440 Speaker 3: What do they have that the Warriors would want? I 560 00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:15,440 don't think Howard does. 561 00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:17,480 Speaker 2: How do they even get their salary? Wise they don't 562 00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:19,640 have another like five or six million dollar player? 563 00:25:20,559 --> 00:25:22,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I don't. I don't see it. I don't 564 00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:23,599 see it. 565 00:25:24,279 --> 00:25:27,400 Speaker 4: They probably should have just kept Horford. He would clearly 566 00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:30,480 be helpful. And although he's barely he's only recently looked 567 00:25:30,519 --> 00:25:32,680 like Al Horford and that could go in anytime, So 568 00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:33,440 who knows. 569 00:25:33,839 --> 00:25:36,240 Speaker 1: So the unless do you have any other targets. 570 00:25:36,279 --> 00:25:38,440 Speaker 2: I'll give you the baseline of my trade, because I 571 00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:40,559 think it's too complicated to share. I might end up 572 00:25:40,559 --> 00:25:41,799 writing about it. 573 00:25:41,839 --> 00:25:42,920 Speaker 3: Give me the baseline. 574 00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:46,680 Speaker 2: So you're giving up your three second round picks Cafferty, Simon's, 575 00:25:46,839 --> 00:25:49,680 Sam Hauser and also your first round pick this year, 576 00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:56,359 and in return you are getting Dayron Sharp, Jalen Smith, 577 00:25:57,359 --> 00:26:01,799 iowed de Soon MoU and Justin Champa. 578 00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:06,200 Speaker 4: Huh, you know I've never quit on Jalen Smith, and 579 00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:08,799 he does give you the theoretical spacing you might want. 580 00:26:08,799 --> 00:26:12,240 At the five, you're out of the tax there. I'm 581 00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:13,400 assuming just barely. 582 00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:15,519 Speaker 2: So the way it's set up is that you basically 583 00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:19,200 you could create a trade exception by sending Sam Howser 584 00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:22,000 to Washington was the structure, and then taken Dayroon Sharp 585 00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:24,200 or they even have TP like it could be a 586 00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:27,640 separate deals. My points, you're compensating Brooklyn to get Sharp. 587 00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:29,559 Speaker 1: The deal also works. 588 00:26:29,599 --> 00:26:31,839 Speaker 2: I had Brooklyn out of it, You're still giving up 589 00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:34,759 roughly the same stuff. There's just no Dayron Sharp involved. 590 00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:39,599 So it's Jalen Smith io and Justin Champegni. Marvin Bagley 591 00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:40,759 might have been involved in there at. 592 00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:44,400 Speaker 1: One point, but I shoot him out. You're welcome, I like, I. 593 00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:49,279 Speaker 4: Mean, you get three rotation guys really like for Boston 594 00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:50,480 and you duck the tax. 595 00:26:51,799 --> 00:26:54,759 Speaker 2: I wonder if the argument would be, you're the team 596 00:26:54,799 --> 00:26:57,640 giving up the first round pick and you're also giving 597 00:26:57,720 --> 00:27:00,960 up his Anthony Simons, the best player. I could make 598 00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:03,400 a case that I might be more useful in the playoffs. 599 00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:06,119 Speaker 3: But yeah, but like. 600 00:27:08,519 --> 00:27:10,640 Speaker 4: I might get hung up on that if if it 601 00:27:10,799 --> 00:27:14,200 wasn't such an obvious value add to Boston to get 602 00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:16,519 out of the tax like that, that's you You sort 603 00:27:16,559 --> 00:27:19,759 of have to pay extra for that, and any team 604 00:27:19,759 --> 00:27:21,319 dealing with them is going to know that, you know, 605 00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:22,839 you know, like, so you can ask for a little 606 00:27:22,839 --> 00:27:26,039 more because you like, from the Celtics perspective, it might 607 00:27:26,079 --> 00:27:27,759 just be worth it to give up the best player 608 00:27:27,799 --> 00:27:31,119 and the pick if it's getting you these assets plus 609 00:27:31,559 --> 00:27:33,799 the flexibility that duck in the tax is going to 610 00:27:33,839 --> 00:27:36,119 allow you down the line. So I don't I don't 611 00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:37,599 think that's a that's not a hang up for me. 612 00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:39,920 I don't think right like that you have to factor in. 613 00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:41,720 Speaker 1: Like I would do it. But it's also the trade 614 00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:45,160 that I built, so I'm interesting. 615 00:27:44,839 --> 00:27:46,920 Speaker 3: Because I wouldn't do half the trades that I built. 616 00:27:47,319 --> 00:27:49,039 I was like, this is dumb. Nobody should do this. 617 00:27:50,519 --> 00:27:52,440 The money works, but who gives a shit? That's stupid. 618 00:27:52,559 --> 00:27:54,880 Speaker 2: I would still be worried about it's stupid because it's 619 00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:56,680 the Celtics, so I'll probably just figure it out. I'd 620 00:27:56,720 --> 00:27:59,240 just be worried about the shooting with Peyton Pritchard not 621 00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:00,680 shooting as well as he has in the past. If 622 00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:02,640 you're giving up Sigmon's on howser, I didn't none of 623 00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:06,640 no one I named. It's Io or Justin or Jalen Smith. 624 00:28:06,759 --> 00:28:08,799 Is who's the better shooter between those three? 625 00:28:08,839 --> 00:28:10,240 Speaker 1: Is the conversation? We're happy? 626 00:28:10,519 --> 00:28:12,559 Speaker 4: Yeah, I guess I would just fall back on like 627 00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:15,039 I assume that Prichard will shoot it better like he 628 00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:17,839 just you don't forget how to shoot, you know, I don't. 629 00:28:18,279 --> 00:28:20,119 Speaker 2: If the same trade work that got you out of 630 00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:22,799 the tax, you're not getting Io, You're not getting day 631 00:28:22,839 --> 00:28:25,000 Ron Sharp. You end up with Justin Champagnie and Vouch. 632 00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:29,079 Do you like Vouch as the big man there at all? 633 00:28:29,079 --> 00:28:32,559 Better than the setup of Jalen Smith and or Dayron Sharp? 634 00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:37,680 Speaker 4: You probably as a staunch like not vouch defender even 635 00:28:37,799 --> 00:28:39,960 I think I would say that I like it better 636 00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:43,799 for Boston with Vooch there, just because the shooting the offense, 637 00:28:44,759 --> 00:28:48,359 I guess I would trust Missoula and the personnel there 638 00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:49,920 to make the defense work. 639 00:28:50,119 --> 00:28:51,759 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know with him in the middle of it. 640 00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:53,799 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean he would help with your he would 641 00:28:53,799 --> 00:28:56,839 help be your defense of rebounding at least sure. And 642 00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:59,799 it's also io do Soon moves up is kind of 643 00:29:00,119 --> 00:29:03,119 plicative when you have Peyton, Pritchard, and White? Are you 644 00:29:03,119 --> 00:29:05,119 ever gonna play all three of those good? They all 645 00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:07,680 do different things, and White's clearly better, But are you 646 00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:09,279 playing all? I mean I would play all three of 647 00:29:09,279 --> 00:29:10,960 those guys together, and so were Joe Mizzoula. 648 00:29:11,039 --> 00:29:13,039 Speaker 1: But what is that? I love Ale? 649 00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:15,759 Speaker 2: But is he sort of would he be underutilized on 650 00:29:15,799 --> 00:29:19,160 a Boston team that has Pritchard, Derek White, Jalen Brown 651 00:29:20,559 --> 00:29:21,160 a little bit? 652 00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:23,799 Speaker 3: But I still like he's still a rotation player like he's. 653 00:29:24,039 --> 00:29:26,400 Speaker 2: I would prefer if you feel that way, I prefer 654 00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:27,440 the package without Vooch. 655 00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:31,839 Speaker 4: Okay, interesting, just just because you Yeah, I guess right, 656 00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:34,000 if you don't see value and assume you being there, 657 00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:36,039 then then it should be Vouch. 658 00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:37,400 Speaker 1: But it's also you. 659 00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:40,000 Speaker 2: When we talked about the Warriors on a previous podcast 660 00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:42,880 doing their trade deadline primer, you had said something about 661 00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:46,759 like being drawn to players that will try to do less, 662 00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:50,400 and so the Jalen Smith and Dayron Sharp of it all, 663 00:29:50,759 --> 00:29:52,839 those are bigs who will try to do less than Vouch. 664 00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:54,359 Where it's do you feel the need to give him 665 00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:55,680 ceremonial post touches? 666 00:29:56,079 --> 00:29:57,119 Speaker 1: Right? Does that help you? 667 00:29:57,440 --> 00:29:59,400 Speaker 2: If you listen to a Bulls broadcast, they'll tell you 668 00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:02,640 that he needs more post touches And the three point 669 00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:05,799 shooting though, is that's a real element and he's Yeah, 670 00:30:05,839 --> 00:30:08,960 he is better than Jalen Smith and Dayron Sharp. But 671 00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:12,039 I'm just I think I prefer the the Pooh pooh 672 00:30:12,039 --> 00:30:14,839 platter return rather than oh, we consolidated into the not 673 00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:16,680 I don't even know it's consolidation, but we have these 674 00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:17,200 two guys. 675 00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:18,960 Speaker 3: Maybe maybe I don't know. 676 00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:21,480 Speaker 4: I'm torn on that because I do think, like from 677 00:30:21,559 --> 00:30:25,720 Boston's perspective, if some part of the reason you moved 678 00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:28,480 on from Horford, the real reason was probably he didn't 679 00:30:28,519 --> 00:30:30,079 think the Celtics were going to be as good as 680 00:30:30,119 --> 00:30:32,680 they needed to be for him, to keep playing, but 681 00:30:32,839 --> 00:30:34,880 like if part of it was given age, you're worried 682 00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:35,960 about the wheels falling off. 683 00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:37,720 Speaker 3: Like Vouch is sneaky old. 684 00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:40,759 Speaker 4: That guy, Like it's it's a miracle that he stayed 685 00:30:40,799 --> 00:30:44,240 as effective as he has, even just you know, admitting 686 00:30:44,279 --> 00:30:47,079 all of his warts defensively and stuff, but like this 687 00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:49,160 is his age thirty five season. 688 00:30:50,599 --> 00:30:53,559 Speaker 2: There's also I know you say you trust the Celtics 689 00:30:53,559 --> 00:30:55,440 to kind of figure it out on defense, but even 690 00:30:55,799 --> 00:30:58,359 during this heater that they're on, they're twentieth and half 691 00:30:58,359 --> 00:31:03,240 court defense now and can Signons and Hauser, don't the 692 00:31:03,279 --> 00:31:05,599 getting rid of them doesn't make that number worse. But 693 00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:07,480 does Vouch come in and may get any better? 694 00:31:08,799 --> 00:31:09,160 Speaker 1: I don't. 695 00:31:09,359 --> 00:31:12,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. That's a good point. 696 00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:15,240 Speaker 4: I mean, yeah, well the poo poo platters looking better now, 697 00:31:15,799 --> 00:31:18,200 because like the other thing is like Vooch is one 698 00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:22,119 of those players that, like the best version of him, 699 00:31:22,319 --> 00:31:25,720 the role's pretty big, like you're saying with the Bulls broadcast, 700 00:31:25,759 --> 00:31:28,680 like wanting more touches, and then if he has a 701 00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:31,119 really big role to get the most out of him, 702 00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:34,720 that's probably not good for your team. So so like 703 00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:39,160 that's just like philosophically, he's not typically a player that 704 00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:41,720 I would want to go after, but he does address 705 00:31:41,759 --> 00:31:44,160 some of Boston's needs, So I know it's not that simple. 706 00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:47,720 Speaker 2: Just gonna throw some other names out there. I have 707 00:31:47,799 --> 00:31:50,799 seen Nick Richards mentioned that doesn't move me at all. 708 00:31:50,839 --> 00:31:53,559 I guess if it's data, yeah, if you're if you're 709 00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:55,519 but if you're looking, if it's part of like you 710 00:31:55,559 --> 00:31:58,359 have duck attacks or saving money with other teams, sure 711 00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:01,000 use off Nurkic for Anthony Sigmon's has kind of been 712 00:32:01,039 --> 00:32:04,039 the big one because that saves you a ton of money, doesn't. 713 00:32:03,799 --> 00:32:05,279 Speaker 1: Get you out of the tacks. Uh. 714 00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:08,359 Speaker 2: Nurkis has had moments for Utah. He seems really happy 715 00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:11,359 there too. Players keep going to Utah and are really happy. 716 00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:13,279 Speaker 3: Yeah, Kevin Love likes it there. 717 00:32:13,359 --> 00:32:15,559 Speaker 2: That's I mean, Kevin, I'll be interesting on what what 718 00:32:15,599 --> 00:32:19,200 about uh the version of Andre Drummond that we've gotten 719 00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:20,279 for parts of this season. 720 00:32:22,079 --> 00:32:25,759 Speaker 4: Well, yeah, there's your rebounding solved. If nothing else, that's 721 00:32:25,759 --> 00:32:26,759 that's not a bad idea. 722 00:32:27,839 --> 00:32:30,680 Speaker 2: So I'm like kind of just I'm like looking at 723 00:32:30,759 --> 00:32:32,559 cheap bigs. That's really all I could think of. I 724 00:32:33,519 --> 00:32:36,480 like Dayron Sharp is probably my favorite target for them. 725 00:32:36,559 --> 00:32:38,519 I was on the Walker Kessler train when I thought 726 00:32:38,519 --> 00:32:40,480 this was gonna be a gap year, and my whole 727 00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:41,519 thought process. 728 00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:43,240 Speaker 1: Was, now, you get this guy, he leans into the 729 00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:43,839 gap year. 730 00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:45,160 Speaker 2: With you, and you can resign him at the end 731 00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:48,359 of the season. But I'm off of that. In case 732 00:32:48,359 --> 00:32:52,319 anyone's wondering, Yeah. 733 00:32:51,039 --> 00:32:54,000 Speaker 1: Jay Huff is any how married related Jay Huff? 734 00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:56,119 Speaker 3: I mean he's doing some cool dunk. 735 00:32:56,119 --> 00:32:58,200 Speaker 4: Do you see that? Like reach over the head backwards 736 00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:00,480 dunk he did the other day? Like not? The shot 737 00:33:00,559 --> 00:33:02,640 was of Donovan Mitchell on the Cavs bench doing like 738 00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:05,480 the stink face, like, oh, he's got that was it 739 00:33:05,519 --> 00:33:06,000 was exciting. 740 00:33:06,039 --> 00:33:06,680 Speaker 3: He did twice. 741 00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:09,440 Speaker 2: We did it twite. No, I didn't see any of that. 742 00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:12,640 H I'm out of ideas. You do have anything else on? 743 00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:15,559 I think the Celtics, we both think that they should 744 00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:18,400 what do you think they're more likely to do? Duck 745 00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:20,920 the tacks or act as buyers. 746 00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:24,880 Speaker 4: I'll just double down and say duck the tacks because 747 00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:27,480 I think that's what they should prioritize, and I assume 748 00:33:27,519 --> 00:33:28,839 that's what they're more likely to do. 749 00:33:29,119 --> 00:33:31,200 Speaker 2: I'm gonna heat check and say that they figure out 750 00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:33,079 a way to do both. I think we look back 751 00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:35,680 at the trade deadline and say this team is as 752 00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:38,480 good or better and now they're outside of the tacks. 753 00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:42,160 Speaker 4: If that happens, they're immediately going on top of every 754 00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:44,400 list of like deadline winners for you know, in the 755 00:33:44,559 --> 00:33:47,480 in the inevitable winners and losers analysis. 756 00:33:48,519 --> 00:33:50,799 Speaker 1: Are you ready to take us out of here? Kin, sir, yep. 757 00:33:50,839 --> 00:33:54,160 Speaker 4: Thanks everybody for listening for watching. Sorry Andrew, we didn't 758 00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:57,039 get you, Karl, Anthony Towns or Jonathan. 759 00:33:58,240 --> 00:33:58,799 Speaker 1: Or Yabu. 760 00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:01,039 Speaker 3: We'll try better, try to do. 761 00:34:01,119 --> 00:34:03,119 Speaker 1: I'll get you Yaboo. Let's go through it really quick. 762 00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:08,880 Speaker 4: Five five Boston Celtics traits to reunite Yaboo with Jim. 763 00:34:10,559 --> 00:34:12,760 Speaker 3: What else? Thanks for listening for watching. Great review. 764 00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:15,000 Speaker 4: Subscribe, do all the things, tell your friends, tell your enemies. 765 00:34:15,079 --> 00:34:16,639 Join our discord links for that in the YouTube and 766 00:34:16,639 --> 00:34:19,679 podcast description. Share this with any Boston Celtics fan you 767 00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:22,800 have out there among your friend group or your family. 768 00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:26,639 Speaker 3: Either way, if you have a great way for Boston 769 00:34:26,679 --> 00:34:27,960 to throw the needle and get under the. 770 00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:32,360 Speaker 4: Tax and get better, please advise. We're all yours. Shouts 771 00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:34,039 Frank Milkin, Apologies, Jared Allen