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Look at we are on to number twenty seven. It's

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Fellowsiko's I am dan fa Valley coming at you with

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another twenty twenty four to twenty twenty five NBA season

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look ahead, renentering the home stretch. We're up to the

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New York Knicks, who did basically nothing this offseason. But

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we're gonna talk to Gmac from Nick's Film School anyway.

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He's also the producer a producer for the Game Theory

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podcast with Sam Sam Bessini. Very good podcast if you

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love cover listening to the NBA stuff at large to

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go check that out. And he's also the host, the

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founder the CEO of Mets Therapy, which you can find

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on all your social platforms Instagram, TikTok, I'm assuming YouTube

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as well. Andrew Claudio does a whole lot. Does it

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super well. No one else I'd rather talk Nicks with,

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especially at this moment you are coming off of We're

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recording this on a Thursday. Nothing really happened on Wednesday,

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So how are you doing.

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Speaker 2: Nope, nothing happened.

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Speaker 3: I'm here to clearly just break down the Knicks win

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over the Washington Wizards in the preseason, because that's the

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only thing that happened in the New York area. No

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teams won gigantic historic baseball games that advanced them into

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playoff rounds that they never advanced to last night.

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Speaker 2: So happy to be here, Dan, As always.

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Speaker 1: I am legitimately always happy when, like die hard fans,

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their teams are doing really well. And so congratulations to

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you on the Mets making the NLCS. Was this I'm

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so unplugged from every other sport that's not the NBA.

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Was this even in the back of your mind as

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an expectation entering this season for this team?

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Speaker 2: This season?

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Speaker 3: No, And when I say this season, there's like two

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months of this season. I thought that they were headed

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for ninety losses and blowing up the team. And then

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June first rolled around and they just they made some

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roster changes throughout the year. They've been really good at

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admitting mistakes on the fly.

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to like the gimmicks that have showed up. They have

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and he's like a pop star and he's the remix

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coming out on Friday with Pitbull on it.

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Speaker 2: It's a Spanish song and it is a banger.

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Speaker 3: I encourage every His name is Kendelita and so like

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that became an anthem for them, and from the time

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they called him up from Triple A, this pop star,

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he like, the team has the best record in baseball.

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Then I'm not sure how how much you're aware of Grimace,

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the McDonald's character.

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Speaker 1: I know, yeah, I know him.

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Speaker 3: So they have also the best record in baseball since

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Grimace randomly throughout the first pitch on what his quote

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unquote birthday is. And f first, it was funny because

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they won eight straight games after Grimmace throughout the first pitch,

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Speaker 2: They're winning.

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Speaker 3: And now like you have Mets fans at the game

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last night, wearing a Grimace costume, not a jersey for

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Francisco Indoor Peter Alanzo their favorite player. No I decided

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to dress as Grimace to a Mets game, so like

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the Hawk tour girl throughout the first pitch.

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Speaker 2: They have a great record since then.

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Speaker 3: Pete Alonzo, their first baseman, went pumpkin picking and brought

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a pumpkin to the locker room and he's like, this

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is the rally pumpkin, and they just like keep winning

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with the like there's so many rally pumpkins.

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Speaker 1: Still there might be rotten.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, probably, it's like covering to champagne. But that's the thing.

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All the things in the past that we'd look at

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and be like this is stupid. Now it's like, oh,

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that's that's cute, and it's cute because they're winning, and winning,

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you know, adds a different context to it. So, uh,

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it's been really fun and I hope it continues.

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Speaker 1: I'm excited for you, excited for all Mets fans, even

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Yankees fans too, and Padres fans as well. They have

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a special place in my heart because San Diego fucking rules.

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We're top basketball though, and for anyone. We did a

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POD shortly after the cal Bridges trade, so we're not

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going to focus like too much on the normal look

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ahead stuff like this is going to be largely about

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the Karl Anthony Towns trade, which is not Doesn't it

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feel like it's probably because it happened while we were

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going through training camps and the preseason that since started.

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it's been two months since it happened. So my first

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timing of it and the steps that like it went

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they put on the table initially versus what they ended

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up giving up.

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Speaker 3: So I have to bring the Mets back into this,

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because the Mets had to sweat out the final week

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of the playoff week of the baseball regular season for

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a playoff spot. They were going back and forth with

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two other teams, the Braves and the Padres, not the

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Padres the Diamondbacks for the last two playoffs spots, and

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Friday night, the last Friday night of the regular season.

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Speaker 2: I'm sitting there. The Mets are losing.

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Speaker 3: This is back when I was like, oh man, they're

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gonna crash and burn again these Mets. And I'm texting

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a bunch of friends that are Mets fans. I'm like, hey,

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this about two games less, not the end of the world.

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 3: And then someone just texted me like holy shit. It's like,

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whoa what what do you mean? Like I'm staring at

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the Mets game. What happened? And dearly departed Asian woljen

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Rowski is the one I usually go to for alerts.

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For alerts, I didn't go to my phone. It's like,

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what are people ho holy shitting about?

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Speaker 2: Uh?

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Speaker 3: And the timing of it being that Friday night when

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Media Day is two days away and I'm thinking I

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could still kind of tiptoe my way into the NBA season,

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and I like.

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Speaker 2: Okay, this is this, This Villanova thing is gonna be fun.

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Speaker 3: You know this this this all four of them actually

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sharing the court together.

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 2: And then to see the trade happen.

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Speaker 3: I think the timing of it being before Media Day,

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like right the same around the same time that the

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Dame Lillard trade happened, was shocking. The reality of it

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when you look at why it was now when you

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factor in like all the maneuvering they were gonna have

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to do to make this happen, the fact that Randall

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is headed into basically a contract year because he can

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opt out at the end of the year, and it

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didn't look like they were going to land on an extension.

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disgruntled he was. He's refuted any inklings of it. So

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starting lineup was actually that big an issue, but the

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fact that it seemed like like if they wanted to

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do this, this was really their last chance to make

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it happen, especially under the new CBA restrictions. So it's

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become less and less shocking as the last ten days

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or two weeks have gone by. I'll say, the initial

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shock of like, oh my god, they they just did

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this was there, but realizing the timing almost had to

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be then it has made it less and less of

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a surprise. And I will say, like, I'm not a reporter,

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I'm not a journalist, but I did go to the

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Summer League, and this was the talk at Summer League after,

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like everybody was asking me about mcl and I'm like, oh, yeah,

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it's exciting. It's like, hey, you're hearing this thing about

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Towns and how they're still interested in him, and it's like, wait, really,

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so that like that is the conversation was the conversation,

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fact of exactly when it happened was indeed shocking.

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Speaker 1: What do you think went into or was the biggest

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factor to them kind of relenting where they tried to

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package Mitchell Robinson initially rather than Dante DiVincenzo. There's even

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been some reporting about they weren't initially going to include

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the first round pick, and so I understand your your

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view of well kind of had to be now when

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you look at the restrictions of their payroll moving forward.

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and I tend to agree with Mackrey's interpretation of this

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where it's like the Mitch injury accelerated their plans to

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do this, and I'm just like the Knicks had to

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know that this was a possibility before, Like it was

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actually announced. I know it kind of cropped up that

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Mitch would miss time. Oh okay, I don't necessarily ascribe

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to the idea that, oh, the Mitch injury like accelerated,

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We're willing to trade Dante DiVincenzo now. So what was

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it the Julius randall in his future or was it

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really just they thought now was the time to strike,

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like we've kind of continued to go all in. I'm

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just curious as to what you think was the biggest

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factor with them again relenting on what was their baseline offer,

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and it seems like at least two degrees worth where

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it's like they didn't want to give up that Detroit

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first rounder and they didn't want to give up Evincenzo,

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and they end up giving up both.

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Speaker 2: It's a combination of everything.

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Speaker 3: The fact that I mean, if say Mitch was gonna

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miss the first month of the season and you're looking

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at him back in November, I don't think they do

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this deal.

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Speaker 2: Say Hertenstein resigns, I don't think they do this deal.

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Speaker 3: Say you have more confidence in Julius as ye're playing

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the five, which he just Timms has not played him

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and he probably isn't going to be playing the five in.

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Speaker 2: In Minnesota either, because Nasried will.

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Speaker 3: Play in those lineups where Julius and nas can play

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the five together. They just had a legit need at center,

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and I will co sign my colleague Benji Ridhols, who said, like,

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that's not why you make a Karl Anthony Challenge trade

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because you need a center, and all the reporting has

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suggested they went out looking for other center options, and

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I think at the end of the day, with the

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Julius extension negotiations probably getting to a point where he

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wasn't going to take why the market, he wasn't gonna

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take what they were offering him, which was probably less

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than what he thinks he believes on the market. And

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the fact that you know, if they wanted to do

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this for years, they have a certain belief in Karl

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Anthony Towns that he makes them better. And the more

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I've talked myself into this trade, I think there's there's

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some truth to what there. They can be offensively, I

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think it's a combination of now they haven't need at center.

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we might lose Julius at the end of the year anyway,

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and waiting to see to do this in the season

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doesn't allow us to do the very cute cat mechanics

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of what they did with all of their non minimum

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minimums that they stacked to make this trade happen. Like

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the actual timing of when they had to do this

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was now, so that we don't have the same roster

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and salary cap restrictions you would have to you have

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to have to navigate in season, and it just made

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it almost like it was almost like a deadline, like

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we have to do this before the season starts, and

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the best time to do it is before media day,

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so at least these things we can get a full

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preseason in before, you know, with all these new pieces

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playing together.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's interesting because they still could have made it happen.

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You just have had to give up like a member

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of your rotation in addition to the two players are

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already given up.

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Speaker 2: So is that more advantageous do it now?

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Speaker 1: Then that's why give the I don't know if like

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the difference between like giving up precious thatchuas like would

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force me into that timeline, But I totally understand.

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Speaker 2: It's Minnesota doing that, precious Atchua.

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Speaker 1: No, you need to find another team. And I know

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people are saying, well, it's harder to make those roster spots,

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definitely harder mid season, but there's enough like trade exceptions

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and mid level exceptions salting around you could have done it.

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I don't have a problem with the timing. I was

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just fascinated that, like what did it take to get

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you here?

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Speaker 3: Like?

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Speaker 1: Why wasn't this done sooner? Was my point? If you

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if you're all of a sudden like relented on Devens show. See,

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I've kind of had a hard time wrapping my head

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around that. I'm not faulting them for doing it. I

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understand the trade for both sides, but I found that

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element intriguing.

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Speaker 3: So I see the way I perceived your question was

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why didn't they do it? Why wouldn't they wait till

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later to do it? Why wouldn't they wait until during

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the season. Why did they do it sooner? From all accounts,

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it sounds like they tried to. Apparently this was a

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draft night conversation that they had when they had to draft.

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You know, Julius wasn't extension eligible then either so maybe

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they went into the summer thinking Mitch will be back.

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You know, we'll see his progress, we'll see if we

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can work something out with Julius, and you know, they

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obviously found out that they were going to have a

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need at center, which, like it was Monday of that week,

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it was reported that Mitch was gonna miss till at

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earliest December. And I'll just I'll be honest, I'm not

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one hundred percent sure we see mister Robinson. I'll say

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the All Star Break is the is the date I'm

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circling if he I would.

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Speaker 1: Agree with you that if I'll be shocked if we

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see him before twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, like Kmer porzingis coming back? Is the conversation who

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comes back first?

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Speaker 1: That's a great I didn't even think of that. Yeah,

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I will say if he's if we're talking All Star break,

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part of me just wonders at that point if he's

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even still on the roster, like was he salary ballast

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as part of another trade at.

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Speaker 3: That One of our Claudio Casino questions is how how

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many games does Mitchell Robinson play for the Knicks this year?

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Speaker 2: And the over under I set was point five?

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Speaker 1: What did you take.

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Speaker 2: Well, so we haven't done that episode.

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Speaker 3: Okay, so that's the spoiler for when we do that episode,

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is that will the Knicks? Will mister Robinson play for

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the Knicks this year? Is my is my question.

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Speaker 1: I'm not even gonna answer that because I don't have to.

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That's that's a really good question.

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Speaker 2: M m.

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Speaker 1: There were so many different ways that you can just give.

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But maybe he just still injured and can't play this year.

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Speaker 3: That's the season ending injury. What this may end up,

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And this is like no disrespect to Mitch. I hope

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he comes back. I hope he should contribute to this team.

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I think there's gonna be series. Like, the best defender

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of Joel Embiid in the playoffs last year was Mitchell Robbinson.

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Hertenstein couldn't stay out of foul trouble. They had no

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other real answers at center except for when they would

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switch Anonobi onto onto him. But Mitch, when Embiid wasn't

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trying to rip his ankle off, defended him better than

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anybody else in that series, And I like, I would

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want him for a series against Philly.

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Speaker 1: The other thing, too, is like Mitchell Robinson is critical

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if you want to view the Knicks is deep enough

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still there's there's almost like you could make the case

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and I might even make case that he's now going

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to be almost in his ideal role where we don't

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need to care if Mitche Robinson can only play twenty

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two minutes tonight, like that's all you're gonna and that'll

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have to have some overlap with the Town's minutes anyway,

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So you've him coming off the bench because everyone's concerned

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about the depth of this rotation now, which is a

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fair concern. But if Mitchell Robinson's healthy, like that's a

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starting aliber player coming off the bench, kind of like

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you've that we've grown to see the Knicks have over

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these past few years, and that just becomes huge. I know,

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again there's overlap, but that's Karl Anthony Town's best position.

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But those two could play together. So yeah, I still

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view him is just super important. But is he going

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to be healthy? And you have to make the call

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you're all in on now. So even if you think

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he's coming back this year, you don't think it's still

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after the trade deadline, you're trading him probably with the

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night year of his value. But like you need to

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win games, like your window is now, like you decided

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it's now.

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Speaker 3: They've done a really good job the last I mean

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since Leon Rose took over of we're not going to

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make a move because everyone's telling us to like we

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will if we don't like the deal, We're not going

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to make it. Donovan Mitchell as example one. Right, they

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had plenty of opportunities to trade Mitch Robinson before he

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signed this new contract. There was a Julius Randall trade

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on the table if they wanted to pursue it. Like,

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they had options to make deals for a long time,

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and then they had this offseason where I like my

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theory and I have nothing to support this, but I

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have run it by some people and they're like, oh, it's.

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Speaker 2: Not that's not completely off.

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Speaker 3: The first free agent that they ever lost, the first

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player that they wanted to bring back that they weren't

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able to bring back, was as Aa Hartenstein, and it's

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because they signed him to such a good deal the

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first time, and his value got so high that it actually,

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like by CBA rules, like made it impossible for them

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to bring him back, and that changed the calculus to oh,

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now we're losing assets. It used to be like if

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we if we think we want to keep something, we

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keep it. If we don't want to keep it, goodbye

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our j Barrett, Goodbye Manuel Quickly, goodbye Quentin Grimes. Like

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they've found ways to part with players they don't want

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anymore on their terms. This was the first time that

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something left and it wasn't on their terms, and it

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rechanged the calculus to man, we're gonna start losing pieces.

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Speaker 2: Now it's time to go all in.

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Speaker 3: And you saw them go like all the chips to

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the middle of the table for Michael Bridges and now

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it's like, all right, I actually found some chips in

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my pocket.

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Speaker 2: Here we're going all in for Karl Anthony Towns.

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Speaker 3: And you know that's that's why the NIXT being all

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in is going to be a new feeling of like, oh,

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this is a fun story. The next getting a two

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seed or like beating the calves in the first round. Now,

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now there's expectations with this roster.

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Speaker 1: Is that when you're looking because we're gonna get into

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more Karl Anthony town stuff. But I'm asking everyone for

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a promotional episode that will go up, like right when

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the season starts, what is the biggest storyline that you're

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tracking for this team, is it the overarching expectations now

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because they've made all these moves, is that maybe one

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of the new additions, Like what is it?

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Speaker 3: I mean, just storylines are concerned. It's it's it has

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to be like what Carl Anthony Towns looks like and

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well in New York, I think is the biggest and.

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Speaker 1: That round and I'm even sorry drop, but that to

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you would trounce like what is Michel Bridges? We're just

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it's so I would agree with you, I think just

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because Michel Bridges is just universally like he just fits

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anywhere and does anything. So yeah, which is interesting that

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they gave up so much for this guy. But the

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biggest storyline is, oh this other center that they brought

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in and they detected. They didn't give nearly as much

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draft equity up. They gave up real stuff.

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Speaker 2: But so that's the funny thing.

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Speaker 3: And again you alluded to to again my colleague, mister

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mcre like when the Knicks went all in for Michel Bridges,

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I don't know anybody that said that was a bad

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trade by the Nick Like they gave up a lot.

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They definitely probably overpaid for Michel Bridges like five picks,

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one heavily protected Milwaukee pick and some salary failler like

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and all the swaps right. But everybody's immediate thought was, man,

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they have anenobium Bridges like two of the best role

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players potentially in the NBA, the one of the best

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wing combos. That you've now created something that is contender worthy,

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and if they could figure out the right lineup combinations

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as a chance to be deadly and with towns, because

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there's so much concerned with towns, the person the personality,

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the match with the market and what he's just flat

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out been over the course of his career. The Knicks

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gave up just flat out less than what they gave

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up for Bridges. But there's so many questions for one

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trade over the other.

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Speaker 2: So like it.

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Speaker 3: It's why I just have no questions mcil bridge. I

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think he's gonna fit perfectly in New York. The guy

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never misses games and is playing for Tom Thibodau. It's

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gonna be a match made in heaven, you know. Although

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I had one of my again, another Claudia Casino bet,

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how many games will cal Bridges missed this year?

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Speaker 2: Point five?

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Speaker 3: I dare somebody to take the over under Tibbs, Like,

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did you see it the day that the mcal Bridges

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misses his first game and it's like, oh, TIBs up

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to his old of course he misses his first game

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under top Thibodeau. It has to be the concerns about

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Karl Anthony Towns. And here's the thing. I think they're

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gonna be an outstanding regular season team. I think they're

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gonna finish top three or four in offense, top twelve

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or thirteen in defense. They're gonna win close to fifty

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five games. But the expectation's changed now. This isn't the

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let's just win a bunch of games and hopefully make

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the second round anymore. There's a Conference finals expectations on

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this team and this roster, and especially when you've gone

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this all in that you know, for the first time

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in a long time, I can say it will be

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a disappointment for me if the Knicks don't make it.

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And I welcome the challenge of that storyline and who's

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who it's gonna fall on, which part of it might

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fall on tips, But back to the original point, Karl

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Anthony Towns and going all in on him as your

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second best guy. Will have a lot to say about

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whether they accomplish it or not.

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00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:26,200
Speaker 1: I think mine is in his Dovetails Nightly with where

478
00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:28,480
I wanted to start with the Karl Anthony Town stuff

479
00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:32,880
on the court is they played basically every trade ship

480
00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:35,519
that they have, basically like they still have stuff they

481
00:22:35,519 --> 00:22:38,160
could do, but they paid basically all the trade ships

482
00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:40,480
that they have. And I would argue because of who's

483
00:22:40,519 --> 00:22:42,559
gone out, the types of players that have come in,

484
00:22:42,759 --> 00:22:44,440
but I don't think you can argue with their fits.

485
00:22:44,839 --> 00:22:49,440
I find them even more reliant on Jalen Brunson than

486
00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:53,240
they were before, just because of I had concerns before

487
00:22:53,279 --> 00:22:57,680
this trade about is there enough playmaking shock creation with

488
00:22:57,799 --> 00:22:59,880
Julius Randall going out and of course going to how

489
00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:03,279
those same concerns. But I'm fascinated that they made these

490
00:23:03,799 --> 00:23:07,119
series of bets, pretty much all of which are an arguable.

491
00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:09,160
They're arguable, but none of You don't look at anything

492
00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:11,160
they've done and say they shouldn't have done it, even

493
00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:14,119
the Michael Bridges price tag. They've waited long enough, by

494
00:23:14,119 --> 00:23:15,640
the way, you know, we thought like they sat out

495
00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:17,799
these other sweep stakes that didn't make sense the trade

496
00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:20,039
landscape has changed. I don't think they made moves for

497
00:23:20,079 --> 00:23:21,920
the sake of making moves. They just got good enough

498
00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:24,480
to where it was you can make these decisions now.

499
00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:27,240
I'm just fascinated to see, like, how much do you

500
00:23:27,279 --> 00:23:31,519
think Jalen Brunson benefits from the Knicks basically playing you know,

501
00:23:31,839 --> 00:23:33,720
Josh Hart debatable if you want to go five out

502
00:23:33,759 --> 00:23:35,799
the call five out with him, but you can even

503
00:23:35,839 --> 00:23:38,440
see it in the preseason. He's gonna get lost in

504
00:23:38,519 --> 00:23:40,000
the amount of space that he has in the half

505
00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:42,759
court relative to the past two years. It's like how

506
00:23:42,839 --> 00:23:45,720
big one? How big of like a boon is this

507
00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:49,920
for him specifically? But then two do you would all

508
00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:52,400
agree or find interest in? Okay, the Knicks made all

509
00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:55,039
these moves, and yet you could argue now that Jalen

510
00:23:55,039 --> 00:23:57,680
Brunson is even more indispensable than he was before.

511
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Speaker 3: If I had any where, he's about Jalen bruns and

512
00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:03,359
I'd be with you. I just he's the prince that

513
00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:08,200
was promised man like that, between the extension and the

514
00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:11,240
ways he's gotten better in both of his first two seasons,

515
00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:15,000
despite the circumstances not always creating a world where someone

516
00:24:15,039 --> 00:24:18,559
can get better, Like the guy averaged twenty eight point

517
00:24:18,599 --> 00:24:21,640
seven points per game last year and for half of it,

518
00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:24,720
Precious to Chua played the flour you know, next to

519
00:24:24,799 --> 00:24:27,799
Josh Hart and Isaiah Hartenstein. Like the spacing issues were

520
00:24:27,839 --> 00:24:31,039
there last year with three non shooters on the floor

521
00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:34,440
and oh, by the way, his first year he largely

522
00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:37,799
played next to Julius Randall, RJ. Barrett and Isaiah Hart

523
00:24:37,839 --> 00:24:40,680
and Mitchell Robinson, you know, like they would go to

524
00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:45,039
lineups with Manuel quickly that were great and obviously boosted

525
00:24:45,039 --> 00:24:49,599
the spacing. And you know, I this is gonna be

526
00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:53,640
an issue for Twitter, which who cares throughout the season

527
00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:56,680
the Josh Hart's starting, Like, there's the only way you

528
00:24:56,720 --> 00:24:59,440
can go five out is if Juce McBride plays the two,

529
00:24:59,519 --> 00:25:01,519
And I like, I want to see Deuce with those

530
00:25:01,799 --> 00:25:05,240
starters lineups because I want to see them actually have

531
00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:08,200
five shooters on the floor at the same time. But

532
00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:11,720
what Josh Hart does on the floor is contribute to winning,

533
00:25:11,799 --> 00:25:14,480
Like he's a playoff hero for this franchise and one

534
00:25:14,519 --> 00:25:17,039
of the leaders. So I'm at the point where I

535
00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:19,359
just I'm fine with all the good things that Josh

536
00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:23,039
Hart does on the floor, leading to winning, and like

537
00:25:23,079 --> 00:25:25,759
if it futs in the paint, then you like, there's

538
00:25:25,839 --> 00:25:29,079
rebounding that Josh Hart adds, and there's all, by the way,

539
00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:31,599
some big playoff threes. Like I'm not putting it past

540
00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:33,960
him to shoot thirty four thirty five percent from three

541
00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:36,920
this year. They'll still ignore him, but he just has

542
00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:37,680
to make them pay.

543
00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:40,559
Speaker 1: I would just say, even more important than the percentage

544
00:25:40,559 --> 00:25:42,240
for me would just be the volume. I'm a big

545
00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:43,440
believer in that volume.

546
00:25:44,319 --> 00:25:47,319
Speaker 2: Yeah watch, yeah, yeah, yeah, I agree.

547
00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:51,359
Speaker 3: So like, look, Jalen Brunson now playing with nobody in

548
00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:54,759
the dunker spot is going to be fascinating because he's

549
00:25:54,759 --> 00:25:57,559
someone that's been able to score at a high volume

550
00:25:58,079 --> 00:26:00,440
with so many people in the paint. Now that it's

551
00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:04,599
going to be much more open, they've created an environment

552
00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:08,359
for the offensive ceiling to be much higher, not just

553
00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:11,279
for him but for everybody, but specifically to him. I mean,

554
00:26:12,519 --> 00:26:14,880
are we looking at a thirty point season point per

555
00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:15,759
game season.

556
00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:16,319
Speaker 2: From Jalen Brunson?

557
00:26:16,799 --> 00:26:21,359
Speaker 3: Is he headed toward a Dame Lillard's ceiling of offensive efficiency?

558
00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:25,279
Speaker 1: I'll be doing BR's staple MVP Ladder this year, so

559
00:26:25,279 --> 00:26:27,119
everyone can get mad at me. Advance my first one,

560
00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:29,720
my preseason one, I had him fourth and my line

561
00:26:29,839 --> 00:26:31,200
was just like, this is going to be a thirty

562
00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:33,279
point eight as this season from him at minimum. I

563
00:26:33,319 --> 00:26:35,440
do worries he can see ghosts when he gets into

564
00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:37,279
the paint of like the body of the mixed players

565
00:26:37,319 --> 00:26:42,400
pass and he gets spooked. But like, there's my concern.

566
00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:44,599
Wasn't that I doubt down Jalen bruntson. It's just that

567
00:26:44,599 --> 00:26:47,799
when you look at these really high level contenders, most

568
00:26:47,799 --> 00:26:50,359
of them are going to have at least two guys

569
00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:54,359
in the top fifty of self generated buckets. The Knicks

570
00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:56,319
have one of those guys. Karlton Towns was not in

571
00:26:56,359 --> 00:26:59,039
the top fifty last year. Michale Bridges not even as

572
00:26:59,079 --> 00:27:00,920
the focal point of then that's offense, wasn't in the

573
00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:03,799
top fifty last year. I'm not saying it won't work.

574
00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:06,559
I find it fascinating and it's a huge it's on.

575
00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:08,680
It's a testament to Jalon Brunt and that the Knicks

576
00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:11,680
feel confident enough to travel this path when you look

577
00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:15,319
at the asset outlay, because he is that good, and

578
00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:18,119
I think that they're they're they're leaning into the five

579
00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:20,440
out model. And what I think can really work. But

580
00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:23,359
then they're also kind of like they're zagging a little

581
00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:25,799
bit because this the entire thought process, like you need

582
00:27:25,839 --> 00:27:28,920
those two high level creators and as right now until

583
00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:31,599
Karl Anthony Towns and Miquel Bridges proves me wrong, both

584
00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:34,720
of whom are exceptional players. But like the Knicks don't

585
00:27:34,759 --> 00:27:37,519
have that, they have one, and I think the rebuke

586
00:27:37,559 --> 00:27:39,559
to that too would be they had one before. If

587
00:27:39,559 --> 00:27:41,559
you just don't trust Julius Randall, Okay, that's fine. I

588
00:27:41,599 --> 00:27:44,000
just U miss having more on ball gravity than a

589
00:27:44,039 --> 00:27:45,920
Towns or a Bridges right now as a as a

590
00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:49,880
playmaker specifically. So I I think Nick some Nick Sands

591
00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:52,559
already interpreted it as like I'm negative on this trade.

592
00:27:53,079 --> 00:27:55,880
I'm fascinated by this. It's not. I don't have a

593
00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:59,079
negative feeling towards it. I'm just this feels genuinely unique

594
00:27:59,079 --> 00:28:01,640
where it's, oh, we unders dan what they're doing. But

595
00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:04,640
to be this dependent on Jalen Brunson, which you always

596
00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:07,839
would have been dependent on Jalen Brunson, But like I

597
00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:10,119
maybe they see something in Towns or Bridges that we

598
00:28:10,279 --> 00:28:12,480
just haven't seen yet. And there's there's that potential too

599
00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:15,279
but like Oji Adenobi's not We're done. I'm done. This

600
00:28:15,319 --> 00:28:17,519
has been like we didn't like six years. Is like, oh,

601
00:28:17,519 --> 00:28:19,640
he might ads some on ball layers. He has those

602
00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:21,599
like one to three drives a game where it's, oh,

603
00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:23,759
like he's kind of spinning, all right, all right, Clyde'll

604
00:28:23,759 --> 00:28:26,799
say spinning and winning at that point. But so I

605
00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:29,279
find it the word is fascinating. I'm not down on it.

606
00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:31,480
I'm not super high on it. I'm just I'm intrigued.

607
00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:34,200
Speaker 3: What's the key word in what you said about Julius

608
00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:38,200
just now? On ball offs, well, playoffs, yes, which I

609
00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:40,559
Towns has some questions he has to answer too, But

610
00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:44,880
like the on ball gravity is a thing like when

611
00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:47,400
do you have to pay attention to Julius Randall when

612
00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:49,559
he has the ball? And I was looking forward to

613
00:28:49,599 --> 00:28:51,960
him being on the floor with four shooters at the

614
00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:55,640
same time this season and then going into some some

615
00:28:56,160 --> 00:29:00,519
versions of Ojan Andobi as your center, which I mean

616
00:29:00,519 --> 00:29:03,920
would have went completely against Tom Thibadeau's philosophy of rimp protection,

617
00:29:04,119 --> 00:29:07,319
but it leans into some of the death lineups that

618
00:29:07,319 --> 00:29:09,400
we've seen over the years, which I talked about the

619
00:29:09,519 --> 00:29:13,319
last time the Knicks made a blockbuster trade with you. Uh,

620
00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:16,480
the on ball gravity was a thing and like Mitchell

621
00:29:16,559 --> 00:29:20,640
Robinson even he was there's this weird playoff series against

622
00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:24,039
the Calves where Mitchell Robinson was attracting to every time

623
00:29:24,119 --> 00:29:26,559
the shot went up. So it's not even on ball

624
00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:30,240
or off ball, it's on shot attempt or it's like

625
00:29:30,559 --> 00:29:38,079
not even a quantifiable stat right, Like he's so important

626
00:29:38,279 --> 00:29:41,839
that we're now going to send both Mobiley and Allen

627
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:42,519
at him.

628
00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:46,160
Speaker 1: On the numbers that year were the Knicks' most efficient

629
00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:49,000
offense came after Mitchell Robinson offensive ree.

630
00:29:49,039 --> 00:29:51,400
Speaker 3: So that that's the That's a big difference though, is

631
00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:56,519
we've gone from prioritizing as many shot attempts on a

632
00:29:56,559 --> 00:30:01,319
possession as possible and on ball gravity to prioritizing making

633
00:30:01,359 --> 00:30:05,079
your first shot as often as possible and off ball gravity.

634
00:30:05,359 --> 00:30:06,400
Speaker 2: Because to your point.

635
00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:10,039
Speaker 3: About spacing, the fact that it's really just Josh Hart

636
00:30:10,039 --> 00:30:12,160
that you can sag off of and then he'll be

637
00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:14,440
able to provide some rebounding as a result, what you've

638
00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:17,680
seen in how they've played so far, when a defender

639
00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:20,440
puts a foot in the paint or tries to you know,

640
00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:22,839
sag a little bit on drives off of Josh Hart.

641
00:30:23,039 --> 00:30:27,240
He follows stead defender and you know, makes it so

642
00:30:27,279 --> 00:30:30,440
that way the gap to him getting a rebound is shorter.

643
00:30:30,759 --> 00:30:33,160
And it helps when Jalen Brunson doesn't need that much

644
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:36,920
space anyway. But when it's just one defender that is

645
00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:39,519
now gonna be potentially double teaming and you have Josh

646
00:30:39,519 --> 00:30:43,359
Hart already mid drive, it just it creates more opportunity.

647
00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:47,680
You've seen step Brothers right the will Fer It's like

648
00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:50,480
there's more room for activities, Dan, like, I can't wait

649
00:30:50,519 --> 00:30:52,839
for so much room for activities on the basketball court

650
00:30:52,839 --> 00:30:54,599
on the offensive end for the Knicks this year, and

651
00:30:54,759 --> 00:30:56,359
we haven't even talked about what I think they're gonna

652
00:30:56,359 --> 00:30:57,799
be on defense yet.

653
00:30:57,880 --> 00:30:59,240
Speaker 1: Which we will get to, but I want to stick

654
00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:01,160
with the offense and I want to ask the baseline

655
00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:04,400
simplified question first. Karnathony Towns is guarded like he's a

656
00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:07,480
def con level one threat from beyond the arc, because

657
00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:09,960
he is. But I've always just had issues with his volume,

658
00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:13,160
with the exception of maybe one season. Will he take

659
00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:15,599
more threes on this iteration than he was at he

660
00:31:15,599 --> 00:31:17,240
was under he was at the same number as Julius

661
00:31:17,279 --> 00:31:21,799
Randall per game last year, What like is this do

662
00:31:21,799 --> 00:31:24,000
you see him getting back to seven or eight. He's

663
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:25,440
never even had a season where he was at eight.

664
00:31:25,799 --> 00:31:27,599
Speaker 3: I'm pulling up a stat because I want to make

665
00:31:27,599 --> 00:31:30,599
sure I get the number right. So Julius Randall two

666
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:35,880
years ago on the Knicks shot eight point three threes

667
00:31:36,079 --> 00:31:38,559
a game per thirty six minutes.

668
00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:42,759
Speaker 1: He shot probably four because Tims was playing him fifty.

669
00:31:42,519 --> 00:31:46,839
Speaker 3: Minutes eight point four, right, look at that, the exact

670
00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:50,200
same lowd was managed. Good job Tibbs quite literally. So

671
00:31:50,359 --> 00:31:54,279
I what I remember from that year is the volume.

672
00:31:54,359 --> 00:31:56,720
It was up there with Steph Curry for three is

673
00:31:56,759 --> 00:31:59,799
a game. And it's to your point about the emphasis,

674
00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:02,880
but I think that's what they're gonna do is just

675
00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:05,039
like Kat, we need you at eight to nine threes

676
00:32:05,079 --> 00:32:08,839
a game, and it's gonna be the same emphasis, and

677
00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:10,799
it's gonna be part of our formula, and they're gonna

678
00:32:10,839 --> 00:32:14,160
take forty to fifty threes per game as a team.

679
00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:17,559
And I mean, for those who have had questions about

680
00:32:17,559 --> 00:32:20,079
Tom Thibeau on the offensive end in the past, I've

681
00:32:20,119 --> 00:32:23,000
seen it up close. This man is not the dinosaur

682
00:32:23,599 --> 00:32:27,839
that you know he was. I mean, his talent has

683
00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:32,079
dictated how he his teams have played. But like, I

684
00:32:32,079 --> 00:32:34,960
think they're gonna lean very heavy into the Celtics model

685
00:32:35,119 --> 00:32:37,759
of like get as many threes up a game, they

686
00:32:37,799 --> 00:32:41,079
have the shooting to do it, And I think that's

687
00:32:41,119 --> 00:32:43,440
just that's the direction. This is all headed, dude, especially

688
00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:45,960
from a Town's perspective, Like it wouldn't shock me if

689
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:48,480
he's averaging close to nine three is a game at

690
00:32:48,519 --> 00:32:49,839
least for thirty six this season.

691
00:32:52,079 --> 00:32:53,960
Speaker 1: Is there anything else here? Because also we talk a

692
00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:55,799
lot about the space and John Brunson is gonna get

693
00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:58,400
Towns has kind of never had this perfect storm of

694
00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:02,039
circumstances where last two years in Minnesota, not only is

695
00:33:02,039 --> 00:33:04,240
he not really the primary screener anymore because Rudy Gobert

696
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:05,279
has been there. One of the things that kind of

697
00:33:05,279 --> 00:33:08,279
flew under the radars that Minnesota's wing shooting was a depthsit,

698
00:33:08,279 --> 00:33:11,480
which is why everyone's elated they have Dante DiVincenzo. So

699
00:33:11,519 --> 00:33:14,480
now he's the primary screener, has all this different sort

700
00:33:14,519 --> 00:33:16,440
of space, and I know that John Brunton Towns pick

701
00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:18,599
and roll will be like the thing everyone wants to see,

702
00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:21,240
But is there anything else? Like maybe I don't actually

703
00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:23,240
think they're gonna go to this too much where it's

704
00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:25,519
Town's without Brunson, because I think so much of his

705
00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:29,519
value might be intermingled with what Jalen Brunson's able to do.

706
00:33:29,599 --> 00:33:32,119
But like when you're talking about Jalen Brunson maybe not

707
00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:35,599
initiating everything or finishing plays, is there's something about Karl

708
00:33:35,599 --> 00:33:38,279
Anthony Towns that you're most interested to see how he'll

709
00:33:38,319 --> 00:33:40,480
impact the off whether it's stuff in the post or

710
00:33:40,799 --> 00:33:42,680
does he like how often does he play in minors

711
00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:44,319
with Brunson, anything along those lines.

712
00:33:44,519 --> 00:33:48,359
Speaker 3: So I've I've talked myself into him as a hub

713
00:33:48,599 --> 00:33:51,160
like that was always my thought before the trade that

714
00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:53,359
the Knicks could how they can make up for losing

715
00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:58,359
Hertenstein is that you make Julius the new Hertenstein on offense,

716
00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:00,640
and you run the offense through him as hub in

717
00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:03,559
the high post, and then you have Anonobe guard the

718
00:34:03,599 --> 00:34:06,279
center on the other end, and it's it's you don't

719
00:34:06,319 --> 00:34:10,880
lose much with Kat. I don't think he's had to

720
00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:13,400
your point about his perimeter shooting, his wing shooting not

721
00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:16,039
being as good. This team's also gonna cut a ton

722
00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:18,559
this year, So if you operate out of the high

723
00:34:18,559 --> 00:34:21,760
post and you've got Anonobe cutting, you got Bridges cutting,

724
00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:24,199
you got Josh Hart cutting, or any of these bench

725
00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:27,800
pieces you know you have. You have options now for

726
00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:30,920
him to get closer to the He's never averaged more

727
00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:33,960
than four point eight assists per game, but like maybe

728
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:36,000
he can get back to that being a regular thing

729
00:34:36,079 --> 00:34:39,639
where Kat's averaging like five assists or maybe just closer

730
00:34:39,679 --> 00:34:43,159
to four and a half. With with that being how

731
00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:46,360
he does things where you have guys moving around him

732
00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:51,440
and creating opportunities. So him becoming more of a passer

733
00:34:51,639 --> 00:34:53,599
this year, as weird as it sounds, because you think

734
00:34:53,639 --> 00:34:56,599
Karl Anthony Towns, you think shooting, but I think there

735
00:34:56,639 --> 00:34:58,639
is an element to his game now that he's going

736
00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:02,559
to be in some really per circumstances on the offensive

737
00:35:02,679 --> 00:35:05,119
end that can elevate as well.

738
00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:07,039
Speaker 1: I am really interested to see if he can do

739
00:35:07,079 --> 00:35:10,119
this stuff. Like you know, especially the past two years,

740
00:35:10,159 --> 00:35:11,800
we're not seeing him passing a ton out of the

741
00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:14,800
short role to the corners or cutters, and like that's

742
00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:16,559
something we know the Knicks are gonna do, especially when

743
00:35:16,559 --> 00:35:18,320
it comes to like I think the biggest thing for

744
00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:21,280
him might be he's in space, like can he find

745
00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:23,360
those corner shooters for the Knicks Like that ends up

746
00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:25,239
being huge and that's a way for him to maybe

747
00:35:25,519 --> 00:35:27,119
I don't want to say, inflate his assist total, but

748
00:35:27,199 --> 00:35:29,800
average more assists. And that's not necessarily hub stuff, but

749
00:35:30,039 --> 00:35:31,920
that stuff that Isaiah Hartenstein was really good at.

750
00:35:32,079 --> 00:35:35,039
Speaker 3: It's also stuff that Julius Randall was really good at.

751
00:35:35,079 --> 00:35:38,360
And last year when Jalen Brunson was their only guy

752
00:35:39,199 --> 00:35:42,039
and this there's this Kings game from last year that

753
00:35:42,079 --> 00:35:44,320
I'm gonna always bring up because it was a Eureka

754
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:48,079
moment for me where Mike Brown I think he's a

755
00:35:48,079 --> 00:35:51,280
good coach, but for some reason, the entire game was

756
00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:54,679
like I'm gonna just double Jalen at half court and

757
00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:58,079
the Knicks just like hit Josh hard on the short

758
00:35:58,159 --> 00:36:02,199
roll and Josh was playing four on three and then

759
00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:03,440
if it wasn't Josh Hartam hit.

760
00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:04,800
Speaker 2: Hartenstein on the short role.

761
00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:08,239
Speaker 3: Josh Harty eleven assists that night, hart sided six and

762
00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:10,440
Brunston was like, fine, I'll just like this is what

763
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:12,400
we'll do with when they double, And it was the

764
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:14,400
moment I realized, oh, even if you double him, we

765
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:17,079
have a plant. And now Carl Anthony Towns is in

766
00:36:17,119 --> 00:36:19,559
this short role and like Josh Art could still be

767
00:36:19,599 --> 00:36:24,360
there too, But I project that that Heart will be

768
00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:27,880
somewhat of a screener, especially if they're gonna like put

769
00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:30,880
weaker defenders on him on the offense on the on

770
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:34,400
the offensive side of the ball, and so I I

771
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:36,119
think they'll bring him into a lot of actions. And

772
00:36:36,159 --> 00:36:39,760
if you double and you bring Josh Hart, then guess

773
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:43,079
who's also on the corners, Like Carl Anthony Towns is

774
00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:45,519
on the corner as well. And so also if you

775
00:36:45,599 --> 00:36:49,039
do the brunts in to cat pick and roll and

776
00:36:49,159 --> 00:36:52,679
you decide to like play with fire and double to

777
00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:55,960
your point, he's either guy like a lane to the

778
00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:58,880
basket because he's rolling, or he's got two of the

779
00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:01,719
best corner three points and bridges in Ananovi, or like

780
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:06,920
Duce McBride out there to potentially, you know, win, potentially

781
00:37:07,039 --> 00:37:10,920
lead to a possession of points. So I'm I'm excited

782
00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:13,039
about the offensive side of the ball for the Knicks.

783
00:37:13,039 --> 00:37:15,239
Speaker 2: It's it's the thing I'm most excited to patten.

784
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:17,679
Speaker 1: I'll be honest, I'm also I'm curious if he can

785
00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:19,159
do more of that stuff on like kind of I

786
00:37:19,159 --> 00:37:21,559
don't want to say dead stop drives, like maybe he's popping.

787
00:37:21,599 --> 00:37:23,679
He's catching like out of the pick and roll and

788
00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:25,440
he decides like he's going to tack off the dribble.

789
00:37:25,639 --> 00:37:27,440
Julius Rendal was also kind of good at that stuff

790
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:29,079
where it's not catching it on the roll and making

791
00:37:29,079 --> 00:37:32,039
those reads necessarily, it's ken you if he's gonna get downhill,

792
00:37:32,039 --> 00:37:34,719
which Town's has the ability to do, can he find

793
00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:37,199
more of those you know, those kickout opportunities or those

794
00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:40,159
cutters in those situations. Again, I don't think he's ever

795
00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:42,639
operated with any semblance of spacing like the Knicks are

796
00:37:42,639 --> 00:37:44,599
going to have now. Even with Josh Hart being on

797
00:37:44,639 --> 00:37:45,320
the floor.

798
00:37:45,559 --> 00:37:47,480
Speaker 3: H deep Man was playing hold on the man was

799
00:37:47,519 --> 00:37:51,679
playing next to Rudy Gobert like the last two seasons,

800
00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:54,440
like out of position and then like Jaden McDaniel's great

801
00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:58,760
wing defender. You know, it reminded me a lot of

802
00:37:59,039 --> 00:38:01,719
Mitchell Robinson and our j Barrett next to Julius, Like

803
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:04,360
that's why Julius had to get the volume up and

804
00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:08,280
he wasn't that great a three point shooter. Well, yeah,

805
00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:10,719
kat is. Now there's gonna be a ton of space

806
00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:11,840
for him to operate as well.

807
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:15,599
Speaker 1: What do you make of the defense now post Towns trade?

808
00:38:15,639 --> 00:38:17,559
I think the only thing I'll say before I throw

809
00:38:17,559 --> 00:38:19,199
it to you is, I do think people have a

810
00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:22,559
very outmoded view of what Karl Anthony Towns is on defense,

811
00:38:22,599 --> 00:38:26,280
and I was probably guilty of that like early last season,

812
00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:27,960
still like hanging on to it. I think he's made

813
00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:30,400
a lot of strides, maybe not in the way that

814
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:32,400
Tibbs is used to using his bigs when you look

815
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:34,719
at making strides, but this idea that like the Knicks

816
00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:37,199
have just punted on defense in the middle is just

817
00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:39,599
it's so hyperbolic to me, and I was surprised that

818
00:38:39,639 --> 00:38:42,400
so many people had that sentiment following the trade.

819
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:45,559
Speaker 3: So I'd actually be curious to turn the question back

820
00:38:45,599 --> 00:38:45,920
on you.

821
00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:49,000
Speaker 2: Then what those what? Okay? So I have to answer it.

822
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:50,159
I mean, I have my concerns.

823
00:38:50,559 --> 00:38:53,639
Speaker 3: What is the question that you're the same So, just like,

824
00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:57,519
what are your thoughts on Kat's as Kat as a

825
00:38:57,559 --> 00:39:00,320
defender if you think people have have gone through far

826
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:04,960
one direction about him as a defender his I'm I

827
00:39:05,039 --> 00:39:09,360
have my hesitations, and I think it's why expecting a

828
00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:13,000
Tom Thibodeaux team to you know, be top ten in

829
00:39:13,079 --> 00:39:15,519
defense again, or you know, to have top ten in

830
00:39:15,559 --> 00:39:17,679
both is probably not happening.

831
00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:20,880
Speaker 2: But I also recognized what he was. Everybody points to

832
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:21,559
the Denver series.

833
00:39:21,599 --> 00:39:24,159
Speaker 3: He didn't shut down Jokic what he did, And Dane

834
00:39:24,159 --> 00:39:25,960
Moore came on our pot in and spoke to this,

835
00:39:26,199 --> 00:39:30,920
like he would redirect Jokic to go beat or because

836
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:34,360
he just used his his big body to get in

837
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:38,119
the way, like he made things difficult for uh for

838
00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:41,079
for Yokic, And I think sometimes that's what he's gonna

839
00:39:41,079 --> 00:39:44,000
have to do if he's playing against Embiid or if

840
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:46,719
he's playing against you know, Jannis, and then you have

841
00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:50,559
these these wings that play big, like Anonobe or at

842
00:39:50,599 --> 00:39:54,719
times uh Mikal bridges that he can direct traffic to.

843
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:57,119
But I'm curious, do you think he's like am I

844
00:39:57,159 --> 00:40:00,599
should I give him more credit as like a stopper

845
00:40:00,679 --> 00:40:01,280
in the middle.

846
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:04,840
Speaker 2: Then I think he might. He might be. Then then

847
00:40:05,079 --> 00:40:06,440
I was originally giving him.

848
00:40:06,679 --> 00:40:09,639
Speaker 1: I don't think he's a defensive anchor. I like that's

849
00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:11,679
I don't think that. And so if you're trying to

850
00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:14,679
use him in the vein of a traditional big man anchor,

851
00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:16,280
where I know the nexts have tried some different stuff

852
00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:17,760
with Mitchell Robinson, but like if you want him to

853
00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:21,800
be Mitchell Robinson in like the abyss of a drop, No,

854
00:40:22,159 --> 00:40:23,960
I don't think that's what Carl. I think he's at

855
00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:26,480
his best when he can either like the Jokic stuff

856
00:40:26,519 --> 00:40:28,559
is like if you have him zero in on an assignment.

857
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:30,840
I think that's always been easier for him. What I

858
00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:33,039
think he's gotten a lot better at is if he's

859
00:40:33,039 --> 00:40:36,159
allowed to play aggressively or if you have to have

860
00:40:36,239 --> 00:40:38,960
him scram switch or pre switch. I think he's gotten

861
00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:41,119
a lot better at navigating the floor in those instances

862
00:40:41,199 --> 00:40:44,159
to get out of the mismatches that could wind up

863
00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:45,880
hurting him. Or if you're letting him come up to

864
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:48,000
the level and be more aggressive, there are more things

865
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:50,239
that you can do with him. And the question would

866
00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:52,039
be do the Knicks have the guys who can you know,

867
00:40:52,079 --> 00:40:54,199
be the low man on that? And I would think

868
00:40:55,239 --> 00:40:57,239
I think oj Anobi might be. I don't know. I

869
00:40:57,280 --> 00:40:59,039
don't think he's overrated in that regard, but I think

870
00:40:59,039 --> 00:41:00,599
he's someone who is capable of doing that. I think

871
00:41:00,639 --> 00:41:03,159
that you could even like lean on McHale bridges in

872
00:41:03,159 --> 00:41:04,960
that instance, we can even see Josh Hart do some

873
00:41:05,039 --> 00:41:06,800
of it. And so if the Knicks are willing to

874
00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:10,840
use Karl Anthony Towns or give him a level of

875
00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:14,119
agency in terms of his aggression, I actually predicted when

876
00:41:14,119 --> 00:41:16,800
we were doing our we were doing a hot or

877
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:18,679
not pod for every team. I said, I think the

878
00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:20,719
Knicks are still going to have a top ten defense.

879
00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:22,639
I think they can get to lineups with Their defense

880
00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:24,719
is really good. But I think that Karl Anthony Towns

881
00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:26,800
has come a long way. And I also think Tom

882
00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:29,119
Thibodeau has come a long way. And yes he has

883
00:41:29,159 --> 00:41:32,000
his pensions, his functional proclivities, but he's been willing to

884
00:41:32,039 --> 00:41:34,840
adapt to the personnel around him more over the past

885
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:37,280
like two seasons, I would say, And so it wouldn't

886
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:40,920
shock me. I haven't seen a ton of like preseason basketball,

887
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:42,920
but it wouldn't shock me if we see the Knicks

888
00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:45,840
play more aggressively, if Towns is playing outside of Tibbs's

889
00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:47,920
comfort zone a lot on defense, and then it ends

890
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:50,280
up working because I think Towns has gotten I know

891
00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:52,679
the Knicks don't have Rudy Gobert behind him, and that's something,

892
00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:55,760
but if Mitchell Robinson's healthy, you could experiment with that too,

893
00:41:55,840 --> 00:41:59,840
So I do believe that Karl Anthony Towns is close

894
00:41:59,840 --> 00:42:03,519
to or to a league average defender than a detrimental

895
00:42:03,519 --> 00:42:05,960
defender at that point might be the best way for

896
00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:07,800
me to describe it. And to have a league average

897
00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:11,519
defender at the center position, it's it's a big deal,

898
00:42:11,599 --> 00:42:13,400
especially when you're looking at the other end of the spectrum,

899
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:16,000
which would be to have someone who is detrimental defensively

900
00:42:16,039 --> 00:42:16,880
at the center position.

901
00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:20,639
Speaker 3: I think if if that's the floor league average, uh,

902
00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:21,800
maybe it's even the ceiling.

903
00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:22,559
Speaker 2: Who knows, but.

904
00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:26,480
Speaker 3: I passable, what I need. Passable is what I need

905
00:42:26,559 --> 00:42:27,119
at this point.

906
00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:29,960
Speaker 1: The ceiling is because he's in New York, that people

907
00:42:30,079 --> 00:42:32,159
the defense is so good. It's happening when he's on

908
00:42:32,159 --> 00:42:33,760
the court and people are clamoring for him to make

909
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:36,480
all defense, which will be egregious, But that that's the

910
00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:38,039
ceiling because he's now in New York.

911
00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:38,719
Speaker 2: Mm hmmm.

912
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:39,280
Speaker 1: Yeah.

913
00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:42,440
Speaker 2: I would be on the front lines arguing said point.

914
00:42:42,639 --> 00:42:45,320
Speaker 3: If the defense is that good, which will have nothing

915
00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:48,039
to do with Ognob mckel bridge is playing next to him,

916
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:49,079
Do you have.

917
00:42:49,079 --> 00:42:50,559
Speaker 1: Or would you have any hopes, like, do you think

918
00:42:50,559 --> 00:42:53,159
Tis will wind up being more flexible with how he's

919
00:42:53,199 --> 00:42:56,320
playing this team defensively when Karl Anthony Towns is going

920
00:42:56,360 --> 00:42:59,679
to be your five, like has he just tims imbued

921
00:42:59,719 --> 00:43:01,719
you with that sort of confidence in his flexibility over

922
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:02,719
the past couple of seasons.

923
00:43:02,719 --> 00:43:05,199
Speaker 3: So he's already said that they're gonna switch more this year,

924
00:43:05,239 --> 00:43:07,960
which they kind of have to with the roster makeup.

925
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:10,679
And this is this is something I've come to understand

926
00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:14,159
about this man that is the next head coach that

927
00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:18,440
all these years of frustrations that I had with the rigidity,

928
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:22,559
it's and look, I I'm always gonna have a special

929
00:43:22,559 --> 00:43:25,199
place in my heart for Julius Randall. And I said

930
00:43:25,199 --> 00:43:29,719
as much on social like what emotionally that that twenty

931
00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:34,519
twenty one season was for me post pandemic is just

932
00:43:34,679 --> 00:43:39,599
like life changing, and it's why I'll always I'll always

933
00:43:39,639 --> 00:43:43,400
have like a hope that you know, he does well.

934
00:43:43,239 --> 00:43:44,039
Speaker 2: Wherever he goes.

935
00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:48,440
Speaker 3: But he's not the most flexible in how you can

936
00:43:48,559 --> 00:43:50,440
use like you can really only use him as a four.

937
00:43:51,079 --> 00:43:55,599
You really can't like he's not someone that can help you,

938
00:43:55,639 --> 00:43:58,159
like when we were talking about Michael Bridges and how

939
00:43:58,159 --> 00:44:00,119
he's pop him in and he can fit you know,

940
00:44:00,159 --> 00:44:02,840
like there's there's there's a lot of fit concerns with

941
00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:05,760
Julius Randall and who can play next to him. You know,

942
00:44:06,679 --> 00:44:10,679
there's on nights and off nights with him, and you know,

943
00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:14,039
I I think Tibbs knew that and was like, I

944
00:44:14,119 --> 00:44:17,360
have like very few ways to make this work. And

945
00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:19,440
last year when he went out, I think the Knicks

946
00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:23,639
got worse. But you saw Tibbs try different ways with

947
00:44:23,679 --> 00:44:26,559
Hartenstein in the short role, and Hartenstein is a hub

948
00:44:26,719 --> 00:44:31,280
and you know, he tried the possession battle with Precious

949
00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:33,480
Achua at the four and when then the spacing just

950
00:44:33,519 --> 00:44:36,519
got to too crowded, he went to Deuce McBride and

951
00:44:36,559 --> 00:44:39,440
these these three guard lineups, and you know, we saw

952
00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:42,840
way more ball movements, possessions that were determined to end

953
00:44:43,079 --> 00:44:48,639
in uh the Datsidi Evencenzo threes, and you know how

954
00:44:48,719 --> 00:44:52,039
he was using all of his different guys on offense

955
00:44:52,079 --> 00:44:56,360
were just so much more different. Now his roster has

956
00:44:56,440 --> 00:44:59,199
changed again, and I think it translates to the other side,

957
00:44:59,559 --> 00:45:02,559
to the defensive end, because he doesn't have a dominant

958
00:45:02,639 --> 00:45:06,320
rim protector and the possession battle outside of Josh hart

959
00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:08,280
isn't something that you're going to have to try and win,

960
00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:13,000
you can actually maximize on the other end, trying to

961
00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:16,599
you know, switch things up going. I don't think they'll

962
00:45:16,639 --> 00:45:18,599
switch one through four, like I don't think. I don't

963
00:45:18,639 --> 00:45:20,639
know how cat is switching. I don't know if I

964
00:45:20,679 --> 00:45:25,159
want Chilean brunts and switching all that much. But specifically

965
00:45:25,159 --> 00:45:28,199
with your your three wings with heart and anobium bridges,

966
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:31,960
like they've been called wingstop so far in the New

967
00:45:32,039 --> 00:45:35,559
York area, And I love that nickname because do you I.

968
00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:37,239
Speaker 1: Feel like we could be a little bit more creative.

969
00:45:37,559 --> 00:45:39,880
Speaker 3: It depends how old you are, and it depends how

970
00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:43,320
into hip hop you are. Shout out to Mensa, who like,

971
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:47,039
what was this New York? Why isn't the locks? The

972
00:45:47,039 --> 00:45:50,119
shout out to Jadakiss, like why is that not the

973
00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:53,079
nickname that we went with? And I just reminded Mensa,

974
00:45:53,119 --> 00:45:55,519
it's twenty twenty four. They're kids that have no idea

975
00:45:55,519 --> 00:46:01,760
what you're talking about. So I think the fact that

976
00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:05,400
he has these very switchable wings, it wouldn't make sense

977
00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:07,400
to just be like, all right, you guard him, you

978
00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:09,559
guard him, you guard him, and that's your assignment for

979
00:46:09,599 --> 00:46:11,199
the night. Now, now you have guys that can guard

980
00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:14,519
multiple people at once, And I mean you could switch

981
00:46:15,320 --> 00:46:19,920
two through five or two through four, and well you

982
00:46:19,960 --> 00:46:23,519
switch to the Celtics switch one through four, and then

983
00:46:23,599 --> 00:46:26,519
Porzingis plays that high drop. But then when Horford's in,

984
00:46:26,559 --> 00:46:29,800
they switch like all five, you know, So I would

985
00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:32,840
think the Knicks would just switch to through four and

986
00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:36,360
then it's brunts in and kat like have their assignments

987
00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:39,880
or their areas, which man it speaks to a zone

988
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:42,960
that like Tibou Tips has never played zone with the Knicks,

989
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:46,320
and I like, there there are flexible options that they

990
00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:48,119
can go to that I think he's now going to

991
00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:51,400
because his roster now gives him the opportunity to.

992
00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:53,960
Speaker 1: I'm wondering if we could see more I kind of

993
00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:56,920
mentioned it before, just more of like the necessarily maybe

994
00:46:56,960 --> 00:46:59,320
it's pre switching or it's just do you rely on

995
00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:02,239
Karl Anthony Town specifically to scramble out of those mismatches,

996
00:47:02,280 --> 00:47:04,960
like kind of as they're happening in real time. I

997
00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:06,079
think there's a lot of things they could do, and

998
00:47:06,119 --> 00:47:08,559
I'm fair that I honestly the offense is going to

999
00:47:08,599 --> 00:47:10,519
be Thermo nuclear, but I might just be more interested

1000
00:47:10,519 --> 00:47:12,880
in seeing kind of how the defense unfolds with their

1001
00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:14,840
top five guys on the court, because I think there's

1002
00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:17,239
a lot of different routes they could go. Do you

1003
00:47:17,320 --> 00:47:19,639
have any or not that you have any sense? But

1004
00:47:19,840 --> 00:47:22,880
let's say Mital Robinson gets healthy, knock on wood or

1005
00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:24,760
my desk that's right in front of me. Do you

1006
00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:26,519
think that the Knicks will try playing him and Karl

1007
00:47:26,519 --> 00:47:27,599
Anthony Towns together.

1008
00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:30,960
Speaker 3: Yes, and he should not, like as it's starting five,

1009
00:47:31,079 --> 00:47:34,800
I still think Josh Hart's the starter, but they're gonna

1010
00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:39,199
be lineups and matchups specifically where Mitch next to Kat

1011
00:47:39,519 --> 00:47:42,360
is a viable option. And like I spoke to the

1012
00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:48,280
Embeid assignment, I think the the the Milwaukee Bucks like

1013
00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:51,320
that's an assignment that I'd be like, I want as

1014
00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:55,159
many big bodies on Yiannis as possible. I don't think

1015
00:47:55,239 --> 00:47:57,880
it should ever be for more than like five to

1016
00:47:57,960 --> 00:48:01,199
ten minutes in a specific game, but it's it's gonna

1017
00:48:01,199 --> 00:48:04,280
be matchup dependents, which is why I'm not completely like

1018
00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:08,079
tossing miss Robinson by the curb. I just think that

1019
00:48:08,119 --> 00:48:11,920
they need to prioritize more durable players into their long

1020
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:15,239
term plans and into their high ceiling plans. But I

1021
00:48:15,679 --> 00:48:18,119
I mean, look, I hope there's Precious to Chua lineups

1022
00:48:18,199 --> 00:48:21,400
this year with Karl Anthony Towns, which is so ironic.

1023
00:48:21,039 --> 00:48:23,079
Speaker 1: That doesn't there kind of have to be like what

1024
00:48:23,119 --> 00:48:24,079
would be like.

1025
00:48:24,239 --> 00:48:27,480
Speaker 3: Well, so Precious right now is your backup five, right,

1026
00:48:27,599 --> 00:48:31,320
and so if you wanted to your backup four is

1027
00:48:31,480 --> 00:48:35,599
either Josh Hart or Michael Bridges next to Campaign and

1028
00:48:35,679 --> 00:48:39,880
Landry Shammitt and Duce McBride, like you have options there.

1029
00:48:40,599 --> 00:48:42,840
But like if Precious, if you did want to go

1030
00:48:42,920 --> 00:48:46,719
to Cat and Precious on the court at the same time. Ironically,

1031
00:48:46,920 --> 00:48:49,880
all this frustration last year of Precious situe of playing

1032
00:48:49,880 --> 00:48:52,679
the four that drove everybody crazy because of the spacing,

1033
00:48:53,239 --> 00:48:55,639
now you're putting Precious on the floor with three other

1034
00:48:55,679 --> 00:48:57,960
shooters as long as Josh Hart's on the floor with Precious.

1035
00:48:57,960 --> 00:49:00,039
I just I hope those possessions when you go to

1036
00:49:00,079 --> 00:49:02,559
cleaning the Glass and you type in like and you

1037
00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:05,280
put Precious and Josh Hart together, I hope the possessions

1038
00:49:05,280 --> 00:49:08,119
are less than ten. Like I don't need I just

1039
00:49:08,159 --> 00:49:10,239
think they just don't exactly don't show up. I don't

1040
00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:13,239
even need data from cleaning the Glass at that point,

1041
00:49:13,320 --> 00:49:15,639
just showing me that they played like a handful of

1042
00:49:15,679 --> 00:49:18,320
possessions because it was garbage, sheime and that's it.

1043
00:49:18,719 --> 00:49:21,000
Speaker 1: So what do you make of kind of the state

1044
00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:26,320
of the secondary ball handling, the shock creation and specifically

1045
00:49:26,719 --> 00:49:29,159
are they planning. I don't think we're in agreement. I

1046
00:49:29,199 --> 00:49:31,239
know you've said this, like they don't view Deuce McBride

1047
00:49:31,239 --> 00:49:32,920
as that guy. They kind of treat him as like

1048
00:49:32,960 --> 00:49:36,599
this undersized wing. Basically, is it do we just default

1049
00:49:36,599 --> 00:49:39,199
to campaign it's kind of doing some of that secondary stuff.

1050
00:49:39,239 --> 00:49:41,239
Is it? Does Tyler Kolloch have like a real chance

1051
00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:44,920
of being a member of this team of a contender

1052
00:49:45,320 --> 00:49:47,679
as a rookie, which is I'm just gonna get out

1053
00:49:47,679 --> 00:49:49,639
in front of this. I'm not saying you are. I

1054
00:49:49,639 --> 00:49:52,280
get annoyed with fans who just constantly say, like, no,

1055
00:49:52,360 --> 00:49:55,039
we have this, like this rookie's ready. It so rarely

1056
00:49:55,079 --> 00:49:57,800
happens on a contender. It just when's the like we

1057
00:49:57,840 --> 00:50:03,079
saw Christian Brown and Derek Lively doing that, very rarely happens,

1058
00:50:03,159 --> 00:50:06,119
and so I like Tyler Kollik, I just the idea

1059
00:50:06,119 --> 00:50:08,559
of wrapping my head around, oh the knickser this reliant

1060
00:50:08,599 --> 00:50:11,480
on campaign in twenty twenty four or twenty five. But

1061
00:50:11,719 --> 00:50:13,800
although it turned to a rookie. It's just hard for

1062
00:50:13,840 --> 00:50:16,119
me to wrap my brain around and figure out which

1063
00:50:16,159 --> 00:50:17,159
direction they should.

1064
00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:22,159
Speaker 2: Or will go there. So I'll start here with Tyler Kollik.

1065
00:50:23,719 --> 00:50:26,440
Speaker 3: I do think he's gonna play a very important role

1066
00:50:26,519 --> 00:50:29,079
with the Knicks this year, and I don't.

1067
00:50:28,920 --> 00:50:31,280
Speaker 2: Think he's gonna start off as the backup one.

1068
00:50:31,840 --> 00:50:33,599
Speaker 3: I do think they're gonna go with the combination of

1069
00:50:33,679 --> 00:50:41,000
Campaign and Deuce as a secondary ball handler. I understand

1070
00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:46,639
Oganaobi is on this team. I understand that Jalen Brunson

1071
00:50:46,639 --> 00:50:48,920
has missed time in the past. He's never played eighty

1072
00:50:48,920 --> 00:50:49,360
two games.

1073
00:50:49,760 --> 00:50:52,000
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I thought you were going like Og as

1074
00:50:52,039 --> 00:50:53,639
the initiator or something, you know.

1075
00:50:53,599 --> 00:50:56,239
Speaker 3: Like is where I'm going with this, Okay, I think

1076
00:50:56,320 --> 00:51:00,719
Duce McBride will be the first uh uh starter off

1077
00:51:00,719 --> 00:51:03,239
the bench, Like if if OG's out, all right, we're

1078
00:51:03,239 --> 00:51:05,920
going to Josh Hart slash mccalbridge is at the four,

1079
00:51:06,440 --> 00:51:08,360
and then Duce playing the two. I also think Tips

1080
00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:10,360
could go to Precious and it will make sense. Although

1081
00:51:10,679 --> 00:51:13,280
those are Josh Hart Precious to cheer lineups, which I'm

1082
00:51:13,320 --> 00:51:15,840
not a fan of h but I could I could

1083
00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:18,960
see it working, especially if Deuce closes games, I'll be

1084
00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:23,360
okay with it. I do think he's gonna find a

1085
00:51:23,360 --> 00:51:27,199
way into this rotation for a substantial portion of this year.

1086
00:51:27,239 --> 00:51:29,960
But to your point about him being a rookie, it's

1087
00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:32,800
different when it's when it's Derek Lively and it's like

1088
00:51:32,880 --> 00:51:35,760
you're a rim running center like Luca and Kyrie are

1089
00:51:35,760 --> 00:51:38,000
gonna do everything else you have, Like the game is

1090
00:51:38,079 --> 00:51:41,840
very simplified for you. If it's Christian Braun, You're playing

1091
00:51:41,960 --> 00:51:46,159
opposite Murray and Jokic and all these other veterans that

1092
00:51:46,519 --> 00:51:50,679
have made your job like just defend and and hit

1093
00:51:50,719 --> 00:51:51,800
threes like that, that's.

1094
00:51:51,719 --> 00:51:52,840
Speaker 2: Largely your job here.

1095
00:51:53,440 --> 00:51:55,440
Speaker 3: Like Tyler Kolek is gonna have to run the offense

1096
00:51:55,679 --> 00:51:58,519
as a point guard, and that's a lot to ask

1097
00:51:58,679 --> 00:52:00,760
of a rookie, is especially on.

1098
00:52:01,719 --> 00:52:04,199
Speaker 1: Excel, Like was it Donovan Mitchell in Utah? Was it that?

1099
00:52:04,280 --> 00:52:05,519
Like the Jazz were basically good.

1100
00:52:06,480 --> 00:52:09,880
Speaker 3: I'm going to tatum with with mine with that again,

1101
00:52:10,159 --> 00:52:12,599
was like half the team he was.

1102
00:52:12,679 --> 00:52:14,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was like, oh, this this rookie is really great.

1103
00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:17,639
Speaker 3: And during the playoffs had some moments that year because

1104
00:52:17,719 --> 00:52:21,079
Kyrie was out, but like Terry Rose Year was running

1105
00:52:21,119 --> 00:52:23,760
that offense. They were running Jalen Brown through a lot

1106
00:52:23,800 --> 00:52:27,440
of that team, So that to your point, it's just

1107
00:52:27,519 --> 00:52:30,159
it's very rare, not even just for a rookie, but

1108
00:52:30,199 --> 00:52:33,119
a second round pick to then suddenly play a.

1109
00:52:35,159 --> 00:52:36,119
Speaker 1: Lottery pick. Yeah.

1110
00:52:36,199 --> 00:52:38,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, like Tatum was the third overall pick here, Like

1111
00:52:39,079 --> 00:52:42,920
I'm I'll be I'll be here for Tyler Koleik finding.

1112
00:52:42,639 --> 00:52:44,440
Speaker 2: A role in this team.

1113
00:52:44,559 --> 00:52:47,599
Speaker 3: Maybe the the thing I I am confident in is

1114
00:52:47,599 --> 00:52:49,840
he could play point guard in this league and looks

1115
00:52:49,960 --> 00:52:53,599
NBA ready. I just there there are some defensive concerns

1116
00:52:53,639 --> 00:52:56,119
that I have, uh that I think are gonna need

1117
00:52:56,159 --> 00:52:59,760
some some NBA his his NBA body will still have

1118
00:52:59,800 --> 00:53:02,840
to out and as a result.

1119
00:53:02,719 --> 00:53:04,440
Speaker 2: He'll he'll need a little more seasoning.

1120
00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:07,400
Speaker 3: But I do think he's gonna play really well this

1121
00:53:07,519 --> 00:53:10,719
year and play a lot because I don't remember people

1122
00:53:10,719 --> 00:53:14,639
don't play eighty two games anymore either, so just by necessity,

1123
00:53:14,679 --> 00:53:15,840
they'll they'll need him.

1124
00:53:15,960 --> 00:53:18,199
Speaker 1: Which and I think that could be valuable. Like I'm not,

1125
00:53:18,199 --> 00:53:19,519
I don't know if he'll be great right out the game,

1126
00:53:19,559 --> 00:53:21,880
but to have maybe find out that he's like it worked,

1127
00:53:21,880 --> 00:53:22,400
it could work.

1128
00:53:22,800 --> 00:53:25,079
Speaker 2: But so I'll add one thing, I'll add one thing.

1129
00:53:25,440 --> 00:53:26,360
I do think.

1130
00:53:27,360 --> 00:53:30,000
Speaker 3: I do think getting him in the second round probably

1131
00:53:31,280 --> 00:53:33,599
the guy probably should have been like a late first

1132
00:53:33,960 --> 00:53:37,480
and just fell to the second round. And what he

1133
00:53:37,639 --> 00:53:40,599
was in summer league, what the Knicks evaluate him as.

1134
00:53:40,719 --> 00:53:43,760
I do think that did contribute, not like the final

1135
00:53:43,800 --> 00:53:46,639
straw of why they made the cat trade, but I

1136
00:53:46,639 --> 00:53:50,840
do think they consider him like an option to go

1137
00:53:50,880 --> 00:53:53,400
to that made them more comfortable that their their death

1138
00:53:53,480 --> 00:53:55,840
concerns post trade wouldn't be as drastic.

1139
00:53:56,239 --> 00:53:59,000
Speaker 1: I actually took it as another vote of confidence induce

1140
00:53:59,039 --> 00:53:59,840
McBride a little bit.

1141
00:54:00,039 --> 00:54:02,480
Speaker 2: Oh that too, that too, But it does show.

1142
00:54:02,639 --> 00:54:05,440
Speaker 1: But it does show. It shows more degrees of evolution

1143
00:54:05,559 --> 00:54:08,840
from Tibbs to where even if this isn't his idea,

1144
00:54:09,079 --> 00:54:10,639
that that's that the front office is trusting that he

1145
00:54:10,679 --> 00:54:13,440
would go like Tims doesn't play rookies. Was just like

1146
00:54:13,639 --> 00:54:16,239
the thing like remember how Jimmy Butler started out in Chicago,

1147
00:54:16,320 --> 00:54:18,599
un it was clear when he was ready. I didn't

1148
00:54:18,599 --> 00:54:20,559
want to ask you about Deuce. What are you sort

1149
00:54:20,599 --> 00:54:23,159
of looking to see? Because he's now he continues to

1150
00:54:23,159 --> 00:54:25,679
move up the pecking orders. They make these consolidation trades.

1151
00:54:26,039 --> 00:54:28,599
What are you like the theory of duce McBride is

1152
00:54:28,719 --> 00:54:31,000
he plays his us off on defense, he will hit

1153
00:54:31,039 --> 00:54:33,039
threes and can do like some kind of attacking in

1154
00:54:33,119 --> 00:54:35,639
open space. Is there more there to explore for him?

1155
00:54:35,679 --> 00:54:37,639
What are you just monitoring most closely as Deuce heads

1156
00:54:37,639 --> 00:54:38,079
into this.

1157
00:54:38,079 --> 00:54:41,440
Speaker 2: Year, So there's a sixth Man of the Year conversation.

1158
00:54:41,519 --> 00:54:43,880
Speaker 3: As far as I'm concerned with duce McBride, now, who

1159
00:54:43,920 --> 00:54:46,679
knows if he especially if he's the starter, if that

1160
00:54:47,480 --> 00:54:47,960
plays in.

1161
00:54:48,079 --> 00:54:49,559
Speaker 1: That, do you think that's a real I didn't even

1162
00:54:49,559 --> 00:54:51,199
have that pencil in as the possibility. You think there's

1163
00:54:51,239 --> 00:54:52,639
a chance that he's so right.

1164
00:54:52,480 --> 00:54:54,159
Speaker 2: Now depends what book you look at.

1165
00:54:54,280 --> 00:54:57,039
Speaker 3: Josh Hart still lists it as the Knicks representative on

1166
00:54:57,199 --> 00:54:59,480
odds for sixty Man of the Year, and I'm sure

1167
00:54:59,679 --> 00:55:03,639
the are still adjusting post cat trade and Deu just

1168
00:55:03,719 --> 00:55:06,840
doesn't have odds yet, so there's no again, these are

1169
00:55:06,880 --> 00:55:09,639
these are shout out to Vegas. They're still adjusting to

1170
00:55:09,840 --> 00:55:15,320
the moves the Knicks make. But I'm on the day

1171
00:55:15,360 --> 00:55:17,360
of the trade, I was like, so where do they

1172
00:55:17,400 --> 00:55:20,840
go with the starting five? And if you're saying five out,

1173
00:55:21,559 --> 00:55:26,840
Josh Hart's not a shooter. So I recognized who has

1174
00:55:26,920 --> 00:55:29,000
proven himself to be not just a shooter, but a

1175
00:55:29,039 --> 00:55:31,440
guy that can be successful next to Jalen Brunson and

1176
00:55:31,519 --> 00:55:34,239
an impactful starter, which he was last year when they

1177
00:55:34,280 --> 00:55:36,960
went to those lineups. I'll be it into a ton

1178
00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:40,320
of winning because they were very small during that time.

1179
00:55:40,920 --> 00:55:44,280
Speaker 2: But you know, I don't look at him as the.

1180
00:55:44,199 --> 00:55:46,760
Speaker 3: Backup point guard, but I think he can run your

1181
00:55:46,800 --> 00:55:48,119
second unit really well.

1182
00:55:49,440 --> 00:55:51,280
Speaker 2: And it's why, like I have.

1183
00:55:51,199 --> 00:55:53,840
Speaker 3: No issue with Josh Hart starting whatsoever, and I actually

1184
00:55:53,920 --> 00:55:58,440
think it might be beneficial to really open things up

1185
00:55:58,440 --> 00:56:01,320
produce with Pride if you insert him in for Josh

1186
00:56:01,320 --> 00:56:03,800
Hart as one of the subs, have him play the

1187
00:56:03,960 --> 00:56:06,760
with the five out lineup. Then he's running the second

1188
00:56:06,880 --> 00:56:11,360
unit with Campaign and with Shammitt. And you know, whether

1189
00:56:11,400 --> 00:56:13,960
it's Bridges or anonob or whoever you play with the

1190
00:56:14,000 --> 00:56:17,719
second unit next to next to Precious, Like you just

1191
00:56:17,880 --> 00:56:21,239
that that's a decent second unit where he's probably the

1192
00:56:21,280 --> 00:56:23,320
best offensive player on it.

1193
00:56:23,519 --> 00:56:26,480
Speaker 2: So I think there's there's a.

1194
00:56:26,440 --> 00:56:29,960
Speaker 3: World where we're like, oh, just McBride is like probably

1195
00:56:30,000 --> 00:56:32,840
should be considered like top five for six Man of

1196
00:56:32,840 --> 00:56:35,639
the Year at the end of the season. And it's again,

1197
00:56:35,679 --> 00:56:38,239
it's it's just what he's done. He's just slowly gotten better,

1198
00:56:38,280 --> 00:56:40,039
and this is the next ceiling for him to get to.

1199
00:56:40,760 --> 00:56:43,039
Speaker 1: I do wonder if maybe he won't be playing in

1200
00:56:43,039 --> 00:56:45,079
lineups and have the same benefits of the spacing. But

1201
00:56:45,079 --> 00:56:47,719
if you're ever gonna insert him into lineups with like

1202
00:56:47,800 --> 00:56:49,559
let's say Jalen Brunts is off the court, but Towns

1203
00:56:49,599 --> 00:56:52,079
is on the court, like what he could do in

1204
00:56:52,119 --> 00:56:54,519
the pick and roll within that spacing, I'd be very

1205
00:56:54,599 --> 00:56:56,400
intrigued to see. We just didn't see a ton of it,

1206
00:56:56,719 --> 00:56:58,400
like he ran some of them last year. But like

1207
00:56:58,719 --> 00:57:01,360
the Knicks, everyone's seen that crumpled jumper graphic by now.

1208
00:57:01,440 --> 00:57:03,559
It's like the Knicks just didn't have anyone up front

1209
00:57:03,599 --> 00:57:05,760
in terms of a big man that was pulling defenses

1210
00:57:05,760 --> 00:57:07,320
out of the paint, like away from the basket.

1211
00:57:07,599 --> 00:57:09,559
Speaker 3: Well, so the back door cutting he would do with

1212
00:57:09,599 --> 00:57:12,280
Hertenstein too, was like a pet play that they ran

1213
00:57:12,840 --> 00:57:16,119
a ton where if that's why I'm curious if they

1214
00:57:16,280 --> 00:57:19,400
take advantage of Cat's passing where you run like those

1215
00:57:19,400 --> 00:57:22,360
blind pig actions where you know, you throw it to

1216
00:57:22,360 --> 00:57:25,280
a cat in the high post and then Deuce is

1217
00:57:25,320 --> 00:57:28,239
cutting back door, like you you have options if you

1218
00:57:28,239 --> 00:57:30,440
want to use him more as a cutter, But I'm

1219
00:57:30,440 --> 00:57:33,039
with you. The pick and roll just was not necessarily

1220
00:57:33,039 --> 00:57:36,360
featured as much because of the limitations of the Knicks

1221
00:57:36,360 --> 00:57:37,239
centers in the past.

1222
00:57:37,440 --> 00:57:39,760
Speaker 1: You know, when you sort of look at this team,

1223
00:57:40,159 --> 00:57:44,199
would you still expect that there's unfinished business when it

1224
00:57:44,199 --> 00:57:46,480
comes to making trades, probably in the middle of the season,

1225
00:57:46,760 --> 00:57:50,159
And what type of trade? I'm talking about deepening the rotation,

1226
00:57:50,239 --> 00:57:52,400
not trying to get another big name in it, right.

1227
00:57:52,280 --> 00:57:55,079
Speaker 3: Right, I was like, trade like any other trade they've

1228
00:57:55,079 --> 00:57:56,679
made four in the last calendar year.

1229
00:57:57,000 --> 00:57:59,599
Speaker 1: Well, it comes down to, like, I guess, how confident

1230
00:57:59,679 --> 00:58:02,039
are you that they do need to deepen flesh out

1231
00:58:02,039 --> 00:58:05,000
this rotation? And what would you what type of trade

1232
00:58:05,000 --> 00:58:06,199
would you like? I guess I'll throw it to you

1233
00:58:06,320 --> 00:58:08,280
like this, is it more likely that they kind of

1234
00:58:08,280 --> 00:58:10,840
make a move like that's more marginal where it's oh,

1235
00:58:10,880 --> 00:58:13,360
it's chee, a salary is going out that's six million dollars,

1236
00:58:13,519 --> 00:58:15,199
or could you see them doing something like well, can

1237
00:58:15,239 --> 00:58:18,880
we like turn Mitchell Robinson's salary slot into two player salary?

1238
00:58:18,880 --> 00:58:21,320
So it's like, just what are you We haven't seen

1239
00:58:21,360 --> 00:58:23,039
the games played yet, but I guess it speaks to

1240
00:58:23,079 --> 00:58:25,159
what level concern would you have for the overall depth

1241
00:58:25,239 --> 00:58:27,119
of a right you could talk yourself into like they're

1242
00:58:27,199 --> 00:58:29,079
seven or if you want to say eight trustworthy guys

1243
00:58:29,079 --> 00:58:31,000
on this team, you also have like at least two

1244
00:58:31,039 --> 00:58:33,480
of them one invariably miss time, and you're gonna wonder,

1245
00:58:33,480 --> 00:58:35,320
in the back of your mind, are these other guys

1246
00:58:35,320 --> 00:58:37,519
who's gonna play so many minutes that they're due for

1247
00:58:37,599 --> 00:58:39,159
something to happen? So just where are you? Kind of

1248
00:58:39,159 --> 00:58:40,599
out on that entire topic.

1249
00:58:41,199 --> 00:58:45,199
Speaker 3: So this is a cop out, but I think I

1250
00:58:45,280 --> 00:58:47,079
just gonna have to see it, Like you're you're gonna

1251
00:58:47,079 --> 00:58:49,719
have to get like thirty thirty, twenty to thirty games

1252
00:58:49,760 --> 00:58:53,199
in and get a sample size of like, oh, we

1253
00:58:53,480 --> 00:58:56,679
have seven guys, we weak guys. We probably need one more. Well,

1254
00:58:56,760 --> 00:59:00,280
we know the position will scour the market and then

1255
00:59:00,280 --> 00:59:03,840
the assess. I think the reason Precious was signed for

1256
00:59:03,880 --> 00:59:06,280
the number he was is, to your point, like a

1257
00:59:06,400 --> 00:59:09,679
very tradable salary. I think Mitch Robinson, the salary he

1258
00:59:09,800 --> 00:59:13,519
was signed to three years ago, very tradable salary, descending

1259
00:59:13,599 --> 00:59:16,719
contract that's about to have about to become an expiring

1260
00:59:16,760 --> 00:59:17,920
contract at the end of the year.

1261
00:59:19,840 --> 00:59:20,079
Speaker 2: You know.

1262
00:59:20,280 --> 00:59:23,440
Speaker 3: That's that This is where my my trust and my

1263
00:59:23,559 --> 00:59:27,199
faith in leon Rose and more specifically brock Galer. If

1264
00:59:27,199 --> 00:59:29,440
there's a trade to be made, they will find a

1265
00:59:29,440 --> 00:59:32,159
way to do it. They have this this Washington pick

1266
00:59:32,280 --> 00:59:34,960
that I don't think is ever going to convey, but

1267
00:59:35,239 --> 00:59:39,199
it's it basically amounts to second round picks they have,

1268
00:59:39,760 --> 00:59:42,239
So Macer's been on this.

1269
00:59:42,519 --> 00:59:42,840
Speaker 2: They do.

1270
00:59:43,239 --> 00:59:48,280
Speaker 3: They did leave out one swap of the mckal bridges trade,

1271
00:59:48,320 --> 00:59:50,000
and like that's.

1272
00:59:49,760 --> 00:59:52,039
Speaker 2: Their last actual asset.

1273
00:59:52,320 --> 00:59:55,920
Speaker 3: Is this one swap that we have no idea if

1274
00:59:55,960 --> 00:59:58,360
it's ever going to convey or not, because the knicks

1275
00:59:58,440 --> 01:00:00,039
might be really good for a long time. But I

1276
01:00:00,079 --> 01:00:03,480
think it's twenty twenty nine or it's twenty it's twenty thirty.

1277
01:00:03,519 --> 01:00:08,920
It's a twenty thirty swap. So like they have that asset,

1278
01:00:09,039 --> 01:00:11,719
the Washington as set, and then the contracts that you're

1279
01:00:11,760 --> 01:00:14,840
talking about, and if there's a bench piece that they

1280
01:00:14,880 --> 01:00:17,199
want to go to and look this the sticks taste

1281
01:00:17,199 --> 01:00:20,480
it a little bit too. But like injuries happen, Like

1282
01:00:20,519 --> 01:00:23,119
who knows what this roster looks like in January. I

1283
01:00:23,119 --> 01:00:26,360
think there are some significant injuries that you know, you

1284
01:00:26,519 --> 01:00:28,599
have the white flag for but if there's a fringe

1285
01:00:28,639 --> 01:00:31,960
injury that just affects your depth, then it could realy

1286
01:00:32,079 --> 01:00:33,719
like say Douce gets hurt and you're like, oh, we

1287
01:00:33,760 --> 01:00:36,480
do actually need like a backup guard or a backup

1288
01:00:36,519 --> 01:00:40,599
wing that can shoot. And that's that's I think the

1289
01:00:40,639 --> 01:00:44,559
direction that they would potentially go. But gone are the

1290
01:00:44,639 --> 01:00:47,880
days of like Derreck Rose is our backup and we're

1291
01:00:47,920 --> 01:00:51,079
hoping he and his their ability plays a large part

1292
01:00:51,519 --> 01:00:52,239
in this season.

1293
01:00:52,480 --> 01:00:53,639
Speaker 2: You know, are you.

1294
01:00:53,599 --> 01:00:55,880
Speaker 1: Ready to enter the cookie cutter lightning round portion of

1295
01:00:55,880 --> 01:00:59,119
the pot? Let's do it without having seen the games?

1296
01:00:59,199 --> 01:01:02,159
What do you consider this roster single biggest need right now?

1297
01:01:03,559 --> 01:01:04,599
Speaker 2: A backup point guard?

1298
01:01:04,679 --> 01:01:06,559
Speaker 1: So you're saying Tyler Koloks a busts is what.

1299
01:01:06,480 --> 01:01:08,639
Speaker 2: A terrible terrible player? Yes?

1300
01:01:08,719 --> 01:01:10,639
Speaker 3: I think he stinks and then to waste the draft pick, No,

1301
01:01:10,800 --> 01:01:12,239
just like a veteran backup point guard.

1302
01:01:14,000 --> 01:01:16,400
Speaker 1: Is there anything which is kind of hard to imagine

1303
01:01:16,400 --> 01:01:18,360
anything about this team flying under the raidar at the moment?

1304
01:01:18,480 --> 01:01:21,320
Is there anything flying under the radar that we haven't

1305
01:01:21,360 --> 01:01:23,559
talked about that you think deserves more shine when you're

1306
01:01:23,599 --> 01:01:26,679
looking at this Knicks roster this season, the whole shebang.

1307
01:01:26,519 --> 01:01:28,239
Speaker 2: I actually think we covered all of it.

1308
01:01:28,239 --> 01:01:33,239
Speaker 3: It's especially with the last pod factored in. The Knicks

1309
01:01:33,239 --> 01:01:35,239
made the two biggest trades in the NBA in the

1310
01:01:35,280 --> 01:01:39,159
span of three months, and it completely shook up their

1311
01:01:39,239 --> 01:01:41,840
roster while also keeping their core and their culture intact.

1312
01:01:42,079 --> 01:01:45,199
So as far as I'm concerned, they're They're interesting and

1313
01:01:45,239 --> 01:01:48,800
a fascinating team to pay attention to, while also I

1314
01:01:48,800 --> 01:01:49,840
think being a very good one.

1315
01:01:50,840 --> 01:01:53,199
Speaker 1: Nothing on Jericho Simms there like what type of opportunity

1316
01:01:53,199 --> 01:01:53,639
he's gonna have.

1317
01:01:54,719 --> 01:01:59,280
Speaker 3: His opportunity will be injury dictated, So hopefully they get

1318
01:01:59,360 --> 01:02:02,079
enough help from all of their centers ahead of Sims

1319
01:02:02,079 --> 01:02:03,599
in the rotation that I don't have to turn to

1320
01:02:03,679 --> 01:02:04,400
him as much.

1321
01:02:04,880 --> 01:02:07,800
Speaker 1: Well, this this question is actually interesting because there are

1322
01:02:08,519 --> 01:02:10,840
I always ask what's the top ten rotation look like?

1323
01:02:11,280 --> 01:02:13,519
At full strength? We have the start on Pensley and

1324
01:02:13,599 --> 01:02:16,119
Josh Hard is the starter just right now, I view

1325
01:02:16,159 --> 01:02:18,639
that as five locks. Deuce McBride is a sixth lock,

1326
01:02:18,960 --> 01:02:22,079
precious that she was a seventh lock after that with

1327
01:02:22,119 --> 01:02:24,880
Mitchell Robinson being healthy, so we're saying full strength, that's

1328
01:02:24,880 --> 01:02:27,199
an eighth flock. It feels like things can get pretty

1329
01:02:27,239 --> 01:02:29,159
like experimental and exploratory from there.

1330
01:02:29,840 --> 01:02:32,559
Speaker 2: So you need be Nils ten like you're holding me

1331
01:02:32,679 --> 01:02:33,639
to ten, I'm.

1332
01:02:33,519 --> 01:02:35,480
Speaker 1: Holding I'm holding you to There's something you can if

1333
01:02:35,480 --> 01:02:37,039
you want to cop out, you can. It happens all

1334
01:02:37,079 --> 01:02:39,199
the time. But you have to identify the ten most

1335
01:02:39,559 --> 01:02:42,440
played players on this team if they're at full strength.

1336
01:02:42,639 --> 01:02:45,039
Speaker 2: So you said you said Deuce, you said Precious at

1337
01:02:45,039 --> 01:02:46,880
full strength. I was Mitch Mitch.

1338
01:02:47,440 --> 01:02:53,039
Speaker 3: Although I wonder if it's Deucer Deuce or not Duce

1339
01:02:53,079 --> 01:02:56,119
Precious or Mitch, like, would he actually go to Precious

1340
01:02:56,440 --> 01:02:58,519
and Mitch on the second unit together?

1341
01:03:00,320 --> 01:03:01,800
Speaker 2: How does the space meet there?

1342
01:03:02,159 --> 01:03:04,039
Speaker 1: Yes, should questionable?

1343
01:03:04,199 --> 01:03:05,639
Speaker 2: Well, that's a good point.

1344
01:03:05,920 --> 01:03:07,920
Speaker 1: I do wonder though, if like the ability, if you're

1345
01:03:07,920 --> 01:03:10,519
gonna play Mitchell Robinson and Towns together at all, does

1346
01:03:10,559 --> 01:03:12,599
that kind of then open the opportunity for like, oh,

1347
01:03:12,639 --> 01:03:14,559
we can squeeze Prescious in here. But that's I had

1348
01:03:14,599 --> 01:03:17,000
not given that consideration that Precious could get squeezed out

1349
01:03:17,000 --> 01:03:18,719
of the rotation with a healthy Mitchell Robinson.

1350
01:03:19,000 --> 01:03:22,960
Speaker 3: When the playoffs happened and Mitch came back, Precious set well.

1351
01:03:23,000 --> 01:03:24,559
Speaker 1: I mean, like the Knicks playing ten players in the

1352
01:03:24,599 --> 01:03:27,599
playoffs is like but five left and they're gonna play

1353
01:03:27,599 --> 01:03:28,199
in the playoffs.

1354
01:03:28,280 --> 01:03:30,719
Speaker 3: So Mitch came back with seven games left and Precious

1355
01:03:30,719 --> 01:03:33,199
set like that. That's what I'll add then, like it

1356
01:03:33,280 --> 01:03:35,840
was one or the other. So tips did go. The

1357
01:03:36,920 --> 01:03:38,440
part of the some dancing around is I think the

1358
01:03:38,480 --> 01:03:40,679
next we're going to a nine man rotation, because it's

1359
01:03:40,719 --> 01:03:43,079
been that way for three years, you know, So I don't.

1360
01:03:43,440 --> 01:03:45,360
I can give you ten names, and I think Mitch

1361
01:03:45,400 --> 01:03:49,599
and Precious are somewhat your ninth and tenth guys, because

1362
01:03:49,639 --> 01:03:52,119
I think if one is healthy, the other's not playing,

1363
01:03:53,480 --> 01:03:57,840
and then you go sham it campaign uh and Deuce

1364
01:03:58,039 --> 01:04:01,559
as your other three, and then Coolicks you're eleventh man.

1365
01:04:01,639 --> 01:04:04,679
Now I'm just opening the door for Tyler Kollik in

1366
01:04:04,719 --> 01:04:08,199
campaign to be interchangeable, or maybe even Shammitt to be interchangeable.

1367
01:04:08,280 --> 01:04:13,599
I think there's a world where you uh camp campaign

1368
01:04:13,960 --> 01:04:17,800
shows signs of aging and Tyler Kollak just flat out

1369
01:04:17,800 --> 01:04:21,639
plays better to the point where they they might have

1370
01:04:21,679 --> 01:04:24,239
actually found their backup point guard. And perfectly he's a

1371
01:04:24,320 --> 01:04:27,880
lefty playing under Jalen Brunson. So I think those are

1372
01:04:27,880 --> 01:04:29,960
your elevens. Yeah, even I thought I was going to

1373
01:04:30,000 --> 01:04:31,599
short change you, and I gave you an extra one.

1374
01:04:32,760 --> 01:04:34,800
Speaker 1: I forgot Landry Shammitt was on this team for a minute.

1375
01:04:34,800 --> 01:04:36,159
I was so in on him for the first two

1376
01:04:36,199 --> 01:04:38,000
years of his career. I mean, if they want three

1377
01:04:38,000 --> 01:04:39,880
point volume and he's making shots, he could end up

1378
01:04:39,880 --> 01:04:41,760
being a sneaky important part of this team.

1379
01:04:42,000 --> 01:04:42,199
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1380
01:04:42,199 --> 01:04:44,280
Speaker 3: Who knew that that was going to be such an

1381
01:04:44,280 --> 01:04:46,079
important move? Then they just like.

1382
01:04:46,079 --> 01:04:47,119
Speaker 1: Random these times.

1383
01:04:47,199 --> 01:04:49,079
Speaker 2: There was a training campaign by I was like, oh,

1384
01:04:49,119 --> 01:04:49,880
this is interesting.

1385
01:04:50,280 --> 01:04:53,639
Speaker 1: That's that's the card that tipped everything in the way

1386
01:04:53,679 --> 01:04:56,599
of this. We don't even turns out we have Landry Shammitt.

1387
01:04:56,719 --> 01:04:59,840
Speaker 2: There you go. Many people are saying that, yeah, what.

1388
01:04:59,719 --> 01:05:02,000
Speaker 1: Do you see this will be? I'm sure it'll be

1389
01:05:02,000 --> 01:05:04,360
matchup dependent to some extent or maybe not. But if

1390
01:05:04,400 --> 01:05:06,280
you were to guess what winds up being their most

1391
01:05:06,400 --> 01:05:09,119
used crunch time lineup, is it just what we're projecting

1392
01:05:09,400 --> 01:05:10,960
the starters to be or could you see some kind

1393
01:05:11,000 --> 01:05:13,320
of fuzzing and fiddling in one of those spots.

1394
01:05:13,000 --> 01:05:15,400
Speaker 3: The starting five, Like like you said, they'll be matchup

1395
01:05:15,440 --> 01:05:19,960
to the matchup dependent games where they might go to

1396
01:05:20,760 --> 01:05:24,679
a douche over Josh Hart or precious over Josh Hart.

1397
01:05:25,159 --> 01:05:28,880
I actually can't see it. Moment, but not Mitch Obbson

1398
01:05:28,920 --> 01:05:32,960
over Josh Hart. I mean, but I think the way

1399
01:05:33,000 --> 01:05:36,079
he's used Josh Hart in the past, there's just like

1400
01:05:36,239 --> 01:05:38,639
very few instances I think where Josh Hart is on

1401
01:05:38,679 --> 01:05:41,519
the in the closing lineup. So there's your four staples

1402
01:05:42,079 --> 01:05:44,880
and then Josh Hart, which honestly probably should be considered

1403
01:05:44,880 --> 01:05:45,960
a staple at this point.

1404
01:05:46,039 --> 01:05:47,960
Speaker 1: That would be my It would if we went back

1405
01:05:48,000 --> 01:05:49,559
and looked at the minutes, like who played the most

1406
01:05:49,559 --> 01:05:51,920
in crunch time and barring injury, I would just expect

1407
01:05:51,960 --> 01:05:53,039
it to be that five by Lan.

1408
01:05:53,199 --> 01:05:55,639
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, it just he's gotten some of the biggest

1409
01:05:55,639 --> 01:05:59,119
rebounds in the franchise's history in the last couple of years,

1410
01:05:59,159 --> 01:06:00,639
not as well as well has made some of the

1411
01:06:00,639 --> 01:06:01,320
biggest shots.

1412
01:06:01,320 --> 01:06:02,800
Speaker 2: So and you don't stand it.

1413
01:06:03,159 --> 01:06:05,360
Speaker 1: He's also just like maybe as an well not maybe

1414
01:06:05,400 --> 01:06:07,920
like Deuce is an on ball defense, I've going okay, sure,

1415
01:06:07,920 --> 01:06:10,440
but Josh Hart is bigger and he plays like more

1416
01:06:10,559 --> 01:06:12,719
like a big So it's just like from a defensive perspective,

1417
01:06:12,719 --> 01:06:15,679
if you're worried about Towns, having Josh Hart Og and

1418
01:06:15,760 --> 01:06:17,000
mchil Bridges on the court.

1419
01:06:16,840 --> 01:06:19,800
Speaker 3: Is kind of a big deal, which again preseason who

1420
01:06:19,880 --> 01:06:23,239
cares and I was mostly watching the Mets, but from

1421
01:06:23,280 --> 01:06:27,760
all accounts, last night against the Wizards, the wingstop effect

1422
01:06:28,079 --> 01:06:31,480
was fully realized, and seeing what those three can do

1423
01:06:32,800 --> 01:06:35,760
together on the court, together with Josh Hart and Anenobium

1424
01:06:35,760 --> 01:06:39,079
Bridges has a chance to be really special this year.

1425
01:06:39,440 --> 01:06:42,199
Speaker 1: Shout out to Matt Maderno believe in Wizards, who listened

1426
01:06:42,239 --> 01:06:44,079
to our record projections for the Wizards. I had them

1427
01:06:44,119 --> 01:06:46,199
at thirteen and he was like, that might be a

1428
01:06:46,239 --> 01:06:47,000
little much.

1429
01:06:47,079 --> 01:06:50,360
Speaker 2: Can I ask you a question, Wizards of Brooklyn, who

1430
01:06:50,440 --> 01:06:51,440
has more wins this year?

1431
01:06:51,719 --> 01:06:54,960
Speaker 1: I think I think Brooklyn will I do. I know

1432
01:06:55,039 --> 01:06:58,440
that they have like that smaller finite window, but their

1433
01:06:59,599 --> 01:07:03,079
player I just feel like with Cam Johnson and Dorian

1434
01:07:03,119 --> 01:07:06,559
Finney Smith, Dennis Shruder being there, Nicholas Claxton, I think

1435
01:07:06,599 --> 01:07:11,079
they're gonna pick up probably more early season wins than Washington.

1436
01:07:11,320 --> 01:07:13,679
But I also kind of think that Brooklyn's probably more

1437
01:07:13,760 --> 01:07:16,159
likely to if they got to start making moves early,

1438
01:07:16,239 --> 01:07:18,960
like before trade season or just like, they'd be more

1439
01:07:19,039 --> 01:07:20,920
likely to. So I had them at fifteen and Washington

1440
01:07:21,000 --> 01:07:22,119
at thirteen, so it was close.

1441
01:07:22,480 --> 01:07:25,599
Speaker 3: Okay, So they'll be so Washington now takes the Detroit

1442
01:07:25,639 --> 01:07:28,000
position and Brooklyn Washington.

1443
01:07:27,719 --> 01:07:29,920
Speaker 1: Might have the worst defense of all time. It's just

1444
01:07:29,960 --> 01:07:32,559
like where I'm kind of at. And so that's why

1445
01:07:32,599 --> 01:07:35,239
I think they'll ultimately lose more. Both of these teams

1446
01:07:35,239 --> 01:07:38,000
were committed. I'm not not questioning their commitment to losing.

1447
01:07:38,360 --> 01:07:41,800
Speaker 3: So John and I did our our over unders. This

1448
01:07:41,880 --> 01:07:44,199
is before the cat trade, but he actually took the

1449
01:07:44,199 --> 01:07:45,639
Brooklyn over this year.

1450
01:07:45,920 --> 01:07:47,280
Speaker 1: He has them and a half.

1451
01:07:47,440 --> 01:07:50,199
Speaker 3: Yeah, he took the over and I went so far

1452
01:07:50,239 --> 01:07:53,039
the other way that on the most recent pod that

1453
01:07:53,119 --> 01:07:57,000
we did where we did our projections on Patreon for

1454
01:07:57,159 --> 01:07:59,440
how the East standings would line up, and he has

1455
01:07:59,639 --> 01:08:04,039
Washington in last, Brooklyn fourteenth, and I'm so confident Brooklyn

1456
01:08:04,119 --> 01:08:07,639
will be fifteenth. We have a deal this year. Anytime

1457
01:08:07,679 --> 01:08:09,599
Brooklyn wins a game, I'm gonna buy him a drink.

1458
01:08:09,760 --> 01:08:12,039
Anytime he has a drink on me. Anytime Brooklyn wins

1459
01:08:12,079 --> 01:08:13,599
a game, I think I'm gonna buy him like nine

1460
01:08:13,639 --> 01:08:15,400
drinks this year. I think they're gonna be so bad.

1461
01:08:17,279 --> 01:08:19,119
Speaker 1: That's an interesting bet. I'm gonna you're gonna have to

1462
01:08:19,159 --> 01:08:20,800
keep them well. I'll know how it's going by looking

1463
01:08:20,840 --> 01:08:23,199
at the standings. But yeah, we'll see how many drinks

1464
01:08:23,239 --> 01:08:25,319
Jonathan McRae has on one Andrew Claudio.

1465
01:08:25,479 --> 01:08:27,520
Speaker 3: Look, if there's a world where I'm buying him like

1466
01:08:27,560 --> 01:08:29,680
twenty five drinks, they will be well earned because I'm

1467
01:08:30,359 --> 01:08:33,000
their their ability to be asked is going to be

1468
01:08:33,159 --> 01:08:36,680
fascinating when it comes to like we have this second

1469
01:08:36,720 --> 01:08:39,600
life where you have control over our draft pick on

1470
01:08:39,640 --> 01:08:42,000
a year that there's a generational talent at the top

1471
01:08:42,039 --> 01:08:42,680
of the draft.

1472
01:08:43,479 --> 01:08:46,920
Speaker 1: I will say, if they win over twenty games, it's

1473
01:08:46,960 --> 01:08:49,439
almost a disaster for like what was I you could

1474
01:08:49,479 --> 01:08:51,359
see yeah bottom for at that point, but I'm just

1475
01:08:51,640 --> 01:08:53,600
it's a disaster if they win more than twenty years.

1476
01:08:53,640 --> 01:08:56,479
Speaker 2: And what's this? Who's a new coach? Should win? Coach?

1477
01:08:56,600 --> 01:08:57,319
Speaker 1: Jordy Fernandez?

1478
01:08:57,359 --> 01:08:58,960
Speaker 3: Yea, JORDI should win coach of the Year because he

1479
01:08:59,000 --> 01:09:00,439
got that team to win like twenty four.

1480
01:09:00,439 --> 01:09:03,399
Speaker 1: We should be fired for conduct detrimental to the team's future.

1481
01:09:03,520 --> 01:09:04,199
How about both?

1482
01:09:04,479 --> 01:09:06,840
Speaker 3: He went to the Dwayne Casey Coach of the Year

1483
01:09:06,880 --> 01:09:08,840
award when you're not the coach of the team anymore.

1484
01:09:09,039 --> 01:09:12,720
Speaker 1: Back to the Knicks, is there a weirdo offbeat lineup

1485
01:09:12,720 --> 01:09:14,279
that you would like to see this team try?

1486
01:09:15,279 --> 01:09:17,079
Speaker 2: Ooh, the weirdo lineup.

1487
01:09:18,000 --> 01:09:19,640
Speaker 1: You've been doing this for like three or four years now,

1488
01:09:19,640 --> 01:09:21,600
you can't like a guard.

1489
01:09:22,119 --> 01:09:24,680
Speaker 3: It used to be I wanted to see them go

1490
01:09:24,880 --> 01:09:28,000
to the death lineup that I was comparing to the

1491
01:09:28,000 --> 01:09:32,600
Warriors lineup, And now their lineups are so very specific

1492
01:09:32,920 --> 01:09:36,359
to Like, there's no three guard lineup that I'm interested in,

1493
01:09:36,640 --> 01:09:40,239
like with bruntson and Deuce and another guard. There's no

1494
01:09:41,039 --> 01:09:44,760
like super big lineup with Mitch and like a Mitch

1495
01:09:44,840 --> 01:09:47,479
Precious and Cat. You know, like there's none of that.

1496
01:09:48,039 --> 01:09:51,279
It'd be funny. Yeah, there isn't all defense lineup. I

1497
01:09:51,359 --> 01:09:54,640
think they could potentially go to with Duce playing point

1498
01:09:54,960 --> 01:09:58,039
and with Cat out you go to Mitch that I

1499
01:09:58,119 --> 01:09:59,680
just want to see if a team can score on

1500
01:09:59,720 --> 01:10:03,439
them when they've got Mitch, Deuce and then Josh Hart

1501
01:10:04,039 --> 01:10:06,800
and anenobian Bridges. I don't want to see it for

1502
01:10:06,840 --> 01:10:08,760
more than like three minutes because I think the score

1503
01:10:08,840 --> 01:10:11,800
would be like two nothing in those three minutes. But

1504
01:10:12,439 --> 01:10:15,039
I think that could be a very really a really

1505
01:10:15,119 --> 01:10:19,680
good defensive stretch that you could go to. But that's

1506
01:10:19,880 --> 01:10:23,279
the fascinating part about this thing they've created is their

1507
01:10:23,319 --> 01:10:26,000
most fascinating quirky lineup is now starting five.

1508
01:10:26,319 --> 01:10:28,920
Speaker 2: As far as I'm concerned, I kind.

1509
01:10:28,760 --> 01:10:30,840
Speaker 1: Of want to see them like, let's yank hert out

1510
01:10:30,840 --> 01:10:33,359
of there, but we'll put it in Tyler Kollick. And

1511
01:10:33,439 --> 01:10:35,840
if you really wanted to get wacky, like let's pull Towns,

1512
01:10:36,279 --> 01:10:39,239
make o g the five and we'll we'll have Deuce

1513
01:10:39,479 --> 01:10:41,920
in there. But I would kind of like to see.

1514
01:10:41,800 --> 01:10:45,720
Speaker 2: Really small Oh so Duce is the three in that situation.

1515
01:10:45,640 --> 01:10:48,760
Speaker 1: You could do it. I'd be more concerned about what's

1516
01:10:48,800 --> 01:10:50,720
gonna happen on the interior that I'm gonna be concerned

1517
01:10:50,720 --> 01:10:53,640
about on the perimeter. And that got it the idea

1518
01:10:53,640 --> 01:10:55,560
of pull you want to go five out? I guess

1519
01:10:55,960 --> 01:10:58,439
like Deuce pulling Duce for Josh Hart is kind of

1520
01:10:58,439 --> 01:10:59,760
like let's meet in the middle. It's like kind of

1521
01:10:59,800 --> 01:11:02,479
as okay, now you're really five out. But he did

1522
01:11:02,479 --> 01:11:04,239
get a little smaller as part of the process.

1523
01:11:04,399 --> 01:11:05,800
Speaker 2: So you remember when TODJ.

1524
01:11:05,840 --> 01:11:08,039
Speaker 3: Gibson played for the Knicks last year and he told

1525
01:11:08,039 --> 01:11:09,960
the story about he was on his couch watching the

1526
01:11:09,960 --> 01:11:13,279
Sopranos and Tims called him and was like you in shape,

1527
01:11:13,720 --> 01:11:19,640
and like Taj was on the team by the next

1528
01:11:19,760 --> 01:11:23,000
day because Mitche had just gotten hurt and the Knicks

1529
01:11:23,039 --> 01:11:25,560
were like hurting for a backup, backup five because they

1530
01:11:25,600 --> 01:11:28,880
hadn't made the trade yet precious and Jericho Simms was

1531
01:11:29,319 --> 01:11:34,079
Jericho Simms so and he they had this game in

1532
01:11:34,119 --> 01:11:37,319
Brooklyn where Taj was like in shape but not like

1533
01:11:37,560 --> 01:11:41,920
ready to play thirty NBA minutes of shape. And there's

1534
01:11:41,960 --> 01:11:44,720
this look that Toaj Gibson had waiting at the free

1535
01:11:44,760 --> 01:11:48,079
throw line, where he's gasping for air. And I say

1536
01:11:48,119 --> 01:11:50,479
all of this because that's what Ogan Andobi and Michel

1537
01:11:50,479 --> 01:11:52,520
Bridges will look like if they have to share the

1538
01:11:52,560 --> 01:11:55,760
floor with Tyler Kohlik and Jalen Brunson and they're stuck

1539
01:11:55,840 --> 01:11:59,159
with being both the best wings and having to guard

1540
01:11:59,239 --> 01:12:03,479
the perimeter and card the rim and card everything else.

1541
01:12:03,640 --> 01:12:05,920
If they're they're playing around traffic cones.

1542
01:12:06,119 --> 01:12:08,520
Speaker 1: You know, the over under for this team is fifty

1543
01:12:08,520 --> 01:12:10,960
four and a half g Mac, how many games are

1544
01:12:11,000 --> 01:12:11,359
they winning.

1545
01:12:12,199 --> 01:12:15,079
Speaker 3: I'm taking the over, and I think they're gonna be

1546
01:12:15,119 --> 01:12:17,000
the one seed, so I'm taking I'll say fifty eight.

1547
01:12:17,760 --> 01:12:19,640
Speaker 1: Okay, wow, I did go under, and I think I

1548
01:12:19,680 --> 01:12:22,720
had them at fifty three. I'm cacking in is it

1549
01:12:22,760 --> 01:12:24,479
gonna take time for this to co lace. But I'm

1550
01:12:24,600 --> 01:12:28,199
just they're shallower. Ogo we always miss his time. I

1551
01:12:28,239 --> 01:12:30,199
don't know what happens to the defense if Ogano we

1552
01:12:30,239 --> 01:12:34,119
miss his time, and so it's fair, I still think.

1553
01:12:34,199 --> 01:12:35,880
But this is my next question on top of that,

1554
01:12:35,920 --> 01:12:39,079
would be, are there any matchups that, well, what do you?

1555
01:12:39,239 --> 01:12:41,520
I think we're universally ving they are better match up

1556
01:12:41,560 --> 01:12:44,560
for the Celtics now following this town trade. Correct? Absolutely, yes,

1557
01:12:44,760 --> 01:12:47,159
Are there any other matchups in the East that either

1558
01:12:47,239 --> 01:12:49,760
concern you or just intrigue you from the perspective of

1559
01:12:50,039 --> 01:12:51,319
a best of seven series?

1560
01:12:51,560 --> 01:12:52,039
Speaker 2: Milwaukee?

1561
01:12:52,520 --> 01:12:54,640
Speaker 3: I just have a lot of respect for Milwaukee, and

1562
01:12:54,760 --> 01:12:56,800
I think Milwaukee's gonna be a two sheet this year.

1563
01:12:56,920 --> 01:13:00,640
Speaker 2: So I think there's Do you just think Boston's just suck? Yes?

1564
01:13:00,680 --> 01:13:01,399
I hate Boston.

1565
01:13:01,439 --> 01:13:06,720
Speaker 3: No, they they we need to remember like Denver was

1566
01:13:06,760 --> 01:13:09,039
the one seed a year ago and then dropped the three. Also,

1567
01:13:09,199 --> 01:13:11,479
I'm not saying that they're gonna be like ten games

1568
01:13:11,479 --> 01:13:13,880
worse than the Knicks. I'm just saying at the end

1569
01:13:13,960 --> 01:13:16,520
of a long season, one where the majority of the

1570
01:13:16,520 --> 01:13:20,520
Celtics went over and played like into June and then

1571
01:13:20,560 --> 01:13:22,800
into July and August because of the Olympics.

1572
01:13:22,840 --> 01:13:24,880
Speaker 1: I get.

1573
01:13:25,079 --> 01:13:28,199
Speaker 2: I understand travel is a thing. Okay, workouts a thing.

1574
01:13:28,279 --> 01:13:31,359
Speaker 3: I understand Jason Tatum didn't exactly play in the Olympics,

1575
01:13:31,359 --> 01:13:34,439
but like Drew Holly and Derek White also went over there,

1576
01:13:34,880 --> 01:13:37,479
and Jalen bruns It and Josh Hart spoke to like

1577
01:13:37,920 --> 01:13:40,399
they were exhausted going into last season because they didn't

1578
01:13:40,439 --> 01:13:44,359
have an offseason. So you add in porzingis not showing

1579
01:13:44,439 --> 01:13:47,840
up until January, and just the fact that I think

1580
01:13:47,880 --> 01:13:49,960
the top of the East got better. I don't think

1581
01:13:50,000 --> 01:13:51,840
there's gonna be a cake walk with the Celtics were

1582
01:13:51,880 --> 01:13:55,640
taking three months off because they don't have any competition

1583
01:13:55,680 --> 01:13:57,680
for the one seed anymore. I think they're gonna win

1584
01:13:57,720 --> 01:14:02,279
fifty five games fifty four games the Celtics, and I

1585
01:14:02,319 --> 01:14:06,239
think Milwaukee adding more depth as well as I just

1586
01:14:06,279 --> 01:14:10,319
think organizational competence and stability that they're not making a

1587
01:14:10,319 --> 01:14:14,039
blockbuster trade right before the season starts. That requires more

1588
01:14:14,159 --> 01:14:17,239
of a growing period or I get to know you period,

1589
01:14:17,319 --> 01:14:20,199
especially for an older player like Dame Uh. Maybe not

1590
01:14:20,279 --> 01:14:23,279
firing your coach midway through the season also helps.

1591
01:14:23,479 --> 01:14:26,159
Speaker 1: Doc Rivers is their coach, so I won't really any this, but.

1592
01:14:26,239 --> 01:14:29,199
Speaker 2: Doc Rivers, Like the question is with Doc or the postseason.

1593
01:14:29,319 --> 01:14:31,600
Speaker 3: I that's a that's a guy, that's like a walking

1594
01:14:31,680 --> 01:14:32,720
fifty five wins.

1595
01:14:32,880 --> 01:14:34,760
Speaker 1: You know, everything is just their health there. If you

1596
01:14:34,840 --> 01:14:36,600
have those four guys Plust, Gary Tron on the court,

1597
01:14:36,600 --> 01:14:37,640
they're gonna They're gonna roll.

1598
01:14:37,760 --> 01:14:38,960
Speaker 2: So I'm projecting ceiling.

1599
01:14:40,239 --> 01:14:42,600
Speaker 3: It is hard to make the case for the Bucks

1600
01:14:42,920 --> 01:14:44,880
as like the two seed and and all that I'm

1601
01:14:44,920 --> 01:14:49,000
projecting when I go to ESPN's depth chart and everybody

1602
01:14:49,079 --> 01:14:51,600
has a red two red letters next to their name.

1603
01:14:51,960 --> 01:14:55,039
Everybody's got something like day to day out like if

1604
01:14:55,039 --> 01:14:57,319
there's an O or an I R or a D

1605
01:14:57,520 --> 01:15:02,199
D or okay, so or it's like watching my fantasy

1606
01:15:02,239 --> 01:15:04,560
lineup for football every week, all right, so everybody's hurt.

1607
01:15:04,600 --> 01:15:04,920
Speaker 2: Got it?

1608
01:15:05,399 --> 01:15:08,000
Speaker 1: So I the Celtics at fifty seven wins and being

1609
01:15:08,039 --> 01:15:10,319
first in the East. But I think to your point,

1610
01:15:10,800 --> 01:15:13,680
I did have the knick second they're fifty three, or

1611
01:15:13,720 --> 01:15:15,319
maybe did I have him? I had him at fifty four.

1612
01:15:15,319 --> 01:15:18,359
I went under, but it was a fifty four. They

1613
01:15:18,439 --> 01:15:20,399
will more than I would assume, more than Philly, more

1614
01:15:20,399 --> 01:15:22,840
than Boston, more than Milwaukee. They're gonna be the team

1615
01:15:22,840 --> 01:15:25,159
that cares about the regular season. More of that group

1616
01:15:25,520 --> 01:15:27,279
Cleveland could be up for debate. And I think some

1617
01:15:27,319 --> 01:15:29,319
people are sleeping on them. This team is so I've

1618
01:15:29,399 --> 01:15:31,800
used the word a million times. It is they continue

1619
01:15:31,800 --> 01:15:35,119
to get more fascinating. It's just been one move after another.

1620
01:15:35,560 --> 01:15:37,720
Is there anything any one I didn't ask you about,

1621
01:15:37,800 --> 01:15:39,880
mister Claudio, that you think needs to be touched upon

1622
01:15:39,880 --> 01:15:40,960
before I let uskadaddo?

1623
01:15:43,079 --> 01:15:44,920
Speaker 3: Is this a make it break year for Tom Thibodeau?

1624
01:15:45,000 --> 01:15:51,560
Since I know we like to fire him on this show.

1625
01:15:49,199 --> 01:15:50,880
Speaker 1: Well, I get him to the point where that's the

1626
01:15:50,920 --> 01:15:52,079
only thing they could change.

1627
01:15:52,279 --> 01:15:54,399
Speaker 3: I agree, by the way, I do think that this

1628
01:15:54,439 --> 01:15:56,520
is a make it a break a year for Tom Tibbdeau.

1629
01:15:56,560 --> 01:15:59,039
They lose in the second round, it's Tim like he's

1630
01:15:59,079 --> 01:16:01,640
the thing they'll change, and then they'll they'll go get

1631
01:16:01,680 --> 01:16:05,840
like an offensive minded head coach. Maybe go get Dan Hurley.

1632
01:16:05,920 --> 01:16:08,239
That's what we've heard is that like Dan Hurley. The

1633
01:16:08,239 --> 01:16:10,079
reason he turned down the Lakers job is because the

1634
01:16:10,079 --> 01:16:12,800
next job might become available in the next couple of years.

1635
01:16:13,920 --> 01:16:16,600
Speaker 2: But look, I liked Tives.

1636
01:16:16,760 --> 01:16:19,199
Speaker 3: I think he's one of the biggest, one of the

1637
01:16:19,199 --> 01:16:22,960
best coaches in the franchise's history. They're at the point

1638
01:16:23,039 --> 01:16:26,720
where if you don't get to where you need to go,

1639
01:16:27,359 --> 01:16:30,319
you have very few options on how to potentially get

1640
01:16:30,319 --> 01:16:33,840
there the next time. So I think this is a

1641
01:16:33,960 --> 01:16:38,680
mandatory Conference Finals run for them, and if not, I

1642
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think he's the first head that a role.

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Speaker 1: I think that as soon as they made the mchal

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Bridges trade, I think that was the case.

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Speaker 3: So you know what's funny, I wasn't there with the

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Bridges trade. The Cat trade crystallized it for me.

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Speaker 2: You had the Julius Randall piece. If you wanted to

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move it, I.

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Speaker 1: Guess my whole thing is just Julius Randall's value is

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very clearly divisive around the league, and you gave up all,

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basically all of your draft equity to mchal Bridges trade.

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So you were kind of at that point where, Okay,

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they proved they had another move up their sleeve, but

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it was for someone who's starting this supermax extension that

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very few teams are probably willing to pay, and it

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doesn't happen without like if Jaln Brunson doesn't sign his extension,

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or the Knick's gonna go out and trade for Karl

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Anthony Towns and then potentially have to deal with maybe

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I'm saying maybe this is not a team that has

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cheaped out a ton so, but I think it's once

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the mccaount once you make that level of draft equity trade,

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like the coach is like just immediately on the hot seat.

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Speaker 3: If they lost in the first round with Bridges and

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like Jalen hadn't signed his extension and it was with Julius,

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then then I agree with you. I think him signing

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the extension to then make the Cat trade, it was like, oh,

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now it's the rosters that they've given you a championship

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Calber roster. Now it's up for you to win the

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championship or at least finished top four, and you could

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look at it as a success. Give you give Dolan

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three rounds of home games and and he's not going

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to say he's not going to say this was a

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failed season.

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Speaker 1: G Mac, you've already stayed five minutes past what you

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said you were going to. Or you're able just to

1676
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tell our listeners where they can find you and all

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the fantastic stuff that you do.

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Speaker 3: All the things so you could find Nick's Film school

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01:18:14,560 --> 01:18:17,800
anywhere podcasts and YouTube channels are available, you find Game

1680
01:18:17,920 --> 01:18:22,359
Theory with Sam Vassini. Wherever podcasts and YouTube channels are available,

1681
01:18:22,600 --> 01:18:24,760
you can find Mets Therapy if you want to follow

1682
01:18:24,840 --> 01:18:28,000
my musings on the New York Mets. Mets Therapy ac

1683
01:18:28,279 --> 01:18:31,600
on All Socials. There's a podcast version that I haven't

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updated because I've gotten some more short form immediate reactions

1685
01:18:34,760 --> 01:18:38,520
from my phone. But if you're into that, you can

1686
01:18:38,600 --> 01:18:42,359
follow all my Mets and baseball thoughts there and follow

1687
01:18:42,479 --> 01:18:46,239
me on All Socials that Andrew J. Claudio underscore. I

1688
01:18:46,319 --> 01:18:50,239
am excited for this basketball season, even though it's not

1689
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going to start until baseball season's over for me.

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Speaker 1: Well, thank you again for so much of your time.

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01:18:54,960 --> 01:18:57,720
Congrats once more on the Mets being to where they

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are and look should go follow Mets there just for

1693
01:19:00,520 --> 01:19:03,159
the reaction videos from him, like the reactions to him

1694
01:19:03,199 --> 01:19:04,920
watching the game. I'm not talking about the analysis and

1695
01:19:04,920 --> 01:19:07,399
the feelings afterwards. I like the visuals of you going

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through it.

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Speaker 3: So shout out to missus Claudia, who started a trend

1698
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of and we missed the second round version of this,

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but the last day of the regular season where the

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Mets were playing a game against the Braves, uh the

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But she came home from work and I was pacing,

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like the whole living room, just pacing.

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Speaker 2: She's like what is this and I'm like, they're they're

1704
01:19:28,640 --> 01:19:30,359
the night dinning words things.

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01:19:30,399 --> 01:19:33,239
Speaker 3: And then she just turned her phone on and recorded

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01:19:33,239 --> 01:19:34,560
the ending and I was like, oh, this is like

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01:19:34,560 --> 01:19:36,520
a nice moment. And so she did the same thing

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01:19:36,840 --> 01:19:40,439
for uh the game last night. So yeah, you can

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follow Mets Therapy and you'll you'll see all all the

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reactions to this improbable, magical Mets run.

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Speaker 1: Thank you once again, g Mac, And as you know

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by now, I'll be pastoring you yet in the future.

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Speaker 3: Of course, because of course is going to make another

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01:19:55,479 --> 01:19:57,439
blockbook to trade that shakes up our weekend.

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Speaker 2: That's Abzac, who absolutely going.

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01:19:59,399 --> 01:19:59,880
Speaker 1: To have him in.

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01:20:00,039 --> 01:20:01,880
Speaker 2: Anytime I try to be planning, the Knicks are like

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fuck you.

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Speaker 3: So there you go.