1 00:00:02,040 --> 00:00:04,599 Speaker 1: Golf Smarter number four hundred and twenty seven. 2 00:00:04,719 --> 00:00:09,720 Speaker 2: Welcome to Golf Smarter Mulligans, your second chance to gain 3 00:00:09,759 --> 00:00:13,359 insight and advice from the best instructors featured on the 4 00:00:13,359 --> 00:00:19,399 Golf Smarter podcast. Great Golf Instruction Never gets Old. Our 5 00:00:19,480 --> 00:00:24,280 interview library features hundreds of hours of game improvement conversations 6 00:00:24,399 --> 00:00:27,879 like this that are no longer available in any podcast app. 7 00:00:27,960 --> 00:00:31,800 Speaker 3: There's the external confidence and that internal confidence. External confidence 8 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:35,320 isn't long lasting. External confidence is based on how long 9 00:00:35,359 --> 00:00:38,479 you're playing, and most people think that confidence is a 10 00:00:38,479 --> 00:00:41,119 result of how well you just played the lost shot, 11 00:00:41,240 --> 00:00:43,359 or played the lost hole, or played the lost round, 12 00:00:43,520 --> 00:00:46,679 when really we want to think about confidence being something 13 00:00:46,719 --> 00:00:50,159 that you can generate within, which then affects your play. 14 00:00:50,399 --> 00:00:52,920 If you're thinking about confidence as being you have to 15 00:00:52,960 --> 00:00:55,640 be playing well to build confidence, then you put more 16 00:00:55,679 --> 00:00:58,439 pressure on your game and you don't feel like you're 17 00:00:58,439 --> 00:01:01,240 as good a player after hitting a couple of bad shots. 18 00:01:01,320 --> 00:01:04,760 Whereas confidence can be built from the inside out if 19 00:01:04,760 --> 00:01:07,519 you can stop to imagining yourself as a good player 20 00:01:07,560 --> 00:01:09,879 and convincing yourself that you're a good player, and talking 21 00:01:09,920 --> 00:01:11,959 to yourself in the like way running out on the 22 00:01:11,959 --> 00:01:14,760 golf course, you can build confidence that is much more 23 00:01:14,799 --> 00:01:15,959 long lasting and enduring. 24 00:01:21,040 --> 00:01:23,920 Speaker 1: Golf state of Mind Part two in our conversation with 25 00:01:24,040 --> 00:01:28,560 David Mackenzie. This is Golf Smarter. Thank you again for 26 00:01:28,680 --> 00:01:30,719 joining us, for sticking around for the rest of this 27 00:01:30,799 --> 00:01:33,599 conversation because I have so many more questions that I 28 00:01:33,640 --> 00:01:40,680 wanted to talk about with you on golf state of Mind. Right, yeah, 29 00:01:40,760 --> 00:01:43,040 thank you were And where are you based? If somebody 30 00:01:43,079 --> 00:01:45,480 wants to start taking lessons from you? How do you 31 00:01:45,799 --> 00:01:46,599 how does that work? 32 00:01:47,319 --> 00:01:50,920 Speaker 3: I'm in Washington, BC, so I do give you face 33 00:01:50,959 --> 00:01:54,040 to face lessons in the in the DC metropolitan area 34 00:01:54,159 --> 00:01:57,799 Northern Virginia, Ireland. But I do a lot of lessons 35 00:01:57,799 --> 00:02:01,760 on Skype. It's become quite it's quite popular, and uh, 36 00:02:02,200 --> 00:02:04,560 you know it works. You know, we can fit lessons 37 00:02:04,560 --> 00:02:06,599 around people's schedules, and you know, we've got to just 38 00:02:06,560 --> 00:02:09,879 switch on your computer and I use a couple of programs. 39 00:02:10,879 --> 00:02:15,319 One of them is e Golf Plan and that players 40 00:02:15,360 --> 00:02:19,960 are able to record stats after their round. So I 41 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:22,240 go in and I can check, you know, exactly how 42 00:02:22,560 --> 00:02:28,360 how someone's you know that how their performance was during rounds, 43 00:02:28,360 --> 00:02:31,240 and then we you know, a weekly on a weekly basis. 44 00:02:31,639 --> 00:02:35,159 We meet and we talked about the experience of the round, 45 00:02:35,199 --> 00:02:39,360 and we also refer to these these stats for areas 46 00:02:39,400 --> 00:02:40,520 of improvement. 47 00:02:41,000 --> 00:02:43,680 Speaker 1: Okay, all right. One of the things you said towards 48 00:02:43,719 --> 00:02:46,599 the end of our last part of the conversation was 49 00:02:48,240 --> 00:02:51,800 you talked about practicing and going to the range, but 50 00:02:52,199 --> 00:02:56,520 you were referring to practicing the mental game, not just 51 00:02:56,719 --> 00:02:59,000 working on your swing mechanics. Is that right? 52 00:02:59,759 --> 00:03:04,639 Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, I'm not. I'm not discounting swing coaches and 53 00:03:05,039 --> 00:03:07,680 the need for swing coaching, you know. I think that 54 00:03:07,680 --> 00:03:10,759 that's you know, that is an element of the game 55 00:03:10,800 --> 00:03:12,960 that you know, people that players need to work on. 56 00:03:14,319 --> 00:03:19,039 But for me, the more you can you can synchronize 57 00:03:19,080 --> 00:03:26,000 your body and your mind through visualization, through feel and 58 00:03:26,280 --> 00:03:30,400 ingraining ingraining those those feelings and is becoming aware of 59 00:03:30,439 --> 00:03:34,360 your body. So I wouldn't you know, for example, uh, 60 00:03:35,560 --> 00:03:38,360 an example of a bad session, bad practice session for 61 00:03:38,439 --> 00:03:41,919 me would be to stand on the driving range one target, 62 00:03:42,159 --> 00:03:45,479 a bucket of balls, you know, perhaps a couple of clubs, 63 00:03:45,800 --> 00:03:49,000 and just hitting hitting straight to that same target. That's 64 00:03:49,039 --> 00:03:56,000 not to me, that's not affective practice. Why effective? Because 65 00:03:56,599 --> 00:04:00,759 that's nothing like you would be there's nothing like it 66 00:04:00,800 --> 00:04:04,479 would be on the golf course. On the golf course, 67 00:04:05,439 --> 00:04:08,159 you're changing shots all the time, and you're you're having 68 00:04:08,199 --> 00:04:10,759 to play different kinds of shots. So my idea for 69 00:04:10,800 --> 00:04:14,439 a fulfilling, an effective practice session on the driving range 70 00:04:14,599 --> 00:04:17,279 would be to hit hit no more than three balls 71 00:04:17,319 --> 00:04:21,199 with the same club. I'd be picking different targets. I'd 72 00:04:21,199 --> 00:04:25,800 be trying to hit different trajectories, moving the ball around 73 00:04:25,800 --> 00:04:28,879 in my stan saying different trajectories I would do. I 74 00:04:28,920 --> 00:04:31,319 would try to hit as many different kinds of shots 75 00:04:31,319 --> 00:04:33,120 as I could. I would even try to hit you 76 00:04:33,319 --> 00:04:36,560 a slice, a hook, a draw. You know, I've got 77 00:04:37,040 --> 00:04:40,560 a practice drill on the website called the nine Shots 78 00:04:40,920 --> 00:04:44,800 where you know, you're playing a fade and a draw 79 00:04:45,000 --> 00:04:47,279 and a straight shot with three different trajectories, and so 80 00:04:47,319 --> 00:04:51,040 you end up with with nine shots. So it's that variety. 81 00:04:52,879 --> 00:04:54,720 Otherwise you just get into range with them. I think 82 00:04:54,720 --> 00:04:57,160 it's very very easy to think that you've mastered the 83 00:04:57,199 --> 00:05:00,240 game on the driving range, and that's why a lot 84 00:05:00,240 --> 00:05:01,800 of golfers say, you know, I wish I could take 85 00:05:01,800 --> 00:05:04,399 my diving range game to the golf course. And there's 86 00:05:04,399 --> 00:05:06,920 so many things that are wrong with what they're doing 87 00:05:06,920 --> 00:05:10,399 on the driving range that you know they wouldn't want 88 00:05:10,439 --> 00:05:12,560 to take that game to the golf course. 89 00:05:13,600 --> 00:05:18,319 Speaker 1: No, we don't, you know. But like if you go 90 00:05:18,360 --> 00:05:20,319 to the driving range and you'll see, let's just say 91 00:05:20,360 --> 00:05:23,480 there's twenty five people out there, and you just kind 92 00:05:23,480 --> 00:05:26,240 of stand back and watch for a while, I can 93 00:05:26,360 --> 00:05:31,120 almost that ninety nine percent of those guys are hitting 94 00:05:31,680 --> 00:05:35,600 one club over and over and over again. Why is 95 00:05:35,639 --> 00:05:38,120 it that that just seems the way you're supposed to 96 00:05:38,160 --> 00:05:42,199 do it? And what's really interesting, especially if you're warming 97 00:05:42,279 --> 00:05:46,480 up for a round. I'm guilty of this myself, going Okay, 98 00:05:46,519 --> 00:05:48,000 that was a shot I wanted. I don't want to 99 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:49,639 do that again. I mean, you just as soon as 100 00:05:49,639 --> 00:05:52,199 you get one that you like, it's like, okay, I 101 00:05:52,199 --> 00:05:52,879 can move on now. 102 00:05:53,600 --> 00:05:57,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, if I'm under saying the question, I. 103 00:05:57,040 --> 00:06:01,199 Speaker 1: Don't even know if I asked one? Did I long 104 00:06:01,240 --> 00:06:03,040 pause and like, did I ask him anything? 105 00:06:05,279 --> 00:06:08,519 Speaker 3: Sorry? No, I think I know, I know. You know, yeah, 106 00:06:08,519 --> 00:06:13,040 they you hit one club, you know, one shot one club, 107 00:06:13,319 --> 00:06:16,079 and you know, because you're working on a swing drill, 108 00:06:17,040 --> 00:06:20,519 you know, you're trying to ingrain that that swing into 109 00:06:20,560 --> 00:06:26,800 your into your your muscle memory and that's that's how 110 00:06:26,839 --> 00:06:28,800 a lot of golfers spent a lot of the time. 111 00:06:29,519 --> 00:06:33,399 And it's just, you know, to me, it's not effective. 112 00:06:33,600 --> 00:06:36,399 And I've been there, and you know I used to 113 00:06:36,399 --> 00:06:38,399 throw eight dollars down for a bucket of balls, and 114 00:06:38,680 --> 00:06:42,519 bucket ball off the bucket of balls, and uh and 115 00:06:42,519 --> 00:06:45,279 and and make those same mistakes over and over again. 116 00:06:45,800 --> 00:06:48,439 Now I practice in a completely different way. It's it's 117 00:06:48,439 --> 00:06:53,519 about imagining, imagining holes. It's about trying to create pressure 118 00:06:54,759 --> 00:06:57,720 on myself playing games. I think that games should be 119 00:06:57,759 --> 00:07:01,120 a big part of practice, and I actually have a 120 00:07:01,120 --> 00:07:04,920 book on practice drills which is designed for that purpose, 121 00:07:05,040 --> 00:07:08,199 to to to create score even on the driving range. 122 00:07:08,199 --> 00:07:11,639 You can play games against yourself to try and create 123 00:07:11,680 --> 00:07:15,639 the same thin kind of pressure. Not get into that 124 00:07:15,639 --> 00:07:17,759 that habit of just you know, you hit one ball. 125 00:07:17,839 --> 00:07:19,439 Oh I didn't like that shot. Oh hit you know, 126 00:07:19,439 --> 00:07:21,000 I've got another one here, you know, to pull it 127 00:07:21,040 --> 00:07:24,800 out of the basket. It's about every shot you know 128 00:07:24,839 --> 00:07:28,519 should have, should have a purpose and a consequence. 129 00:07:29,160 --> 00:07:30,879 Speaker 1: Give me an example of what you mean by these 130 00:07:30,920 --> 00:07:33,680 games that you play while you're on the range. 131 00:07:34,480 --> 00:07:37,079 Speaker 3: So you would be I would be practicing, I would 132 00:07:37,120 --> 00:07:42,720 be visualizing holes in my mind, and so you could, 133 00:07:43,519 --> 00:07:47,399 you know, essentially play holes and you know imagine. I mean, 134 00:07:47,439 --> 00:07:50,279 I Ben Hogan used to talk about this, like playing 135 00:07:50,480 --> 00:07:53,839 holes in his mind. So you can actually play, you 136 00:07:53,959 --> 00:07:57,759 play against yourself on the driving range and imagine that 137 00:07:57,839 --> 00:07:59,959 you're in a certain situation, Imagine that you're on the 138 00:08:00,079 --> 00:08:03,079 of course, you know, try to you know, I heard 139 00:08:03,279 --> 00:08:05,720 heard about Gray and McDowell like running on the spot, 140 00:08:05,839 --> 00:08:07,360 like on the on the driving range to try and 141 00:08:07,360 --> 00:08:10,199 get his heart ate up. Not that I can imagine 142 00:08:10,199 --> 00:08:12,480 many listeners are gonna want to do that on a 143 00:08:12,480 --> 00:08:17,639 pack driving range. But the the point is that you 144 00:08:17,680 --> 00:08:22,480 know he's trying to he's trying to simulate that feeling 145 00:08:23,639 --> 00:08:29,279 on the golf course, being under pressure, feeling that, yeah, exactly. 146 00:08:29,399 --> 00:08:33,159 And so you know, it's it's that most of most 147 00:08:33,200 --> 00:08:36,120 authors just practice thinking that you know, there's just there's 148 00:08:36,159 --> 00:08:39,360 always that next ball, and that's not the mentality that 149 00:08:39,360 --> 00:08:41,519 we're trying to practice. Because I think, you know, practicing 150 00:08:42,200 --> 00:08:45,360 practicing an opportunity to practice your mental game just as 151 00:08:45,399 --> 00:08:47,440 just as it is your your your physical game. And 152 00:08:47,519 --> 00:08:51,639 I think that bank gets that gets missed. But yeah, 153 00:08:51,679 --> 00:08:53,360 so I've got you know, I've got a number of 154 00:08:53,399 --> 00:08:56,720 different games in my my practice for this book, where 155 00:08:57,840 --> 00:09:01,240 you know you're you're playing games and get and getting schools, 156 00:09:01,320 --> 00:09:05,080 so every shot has a meaning on you. 157 00:09:05,200 --> 00:09:10,399 Speaker 1: On your website, I was noticing that you have in 158 00:09:10,440 --> 00:09:13,559 your mental Game section one of the lessons that you 159 00:09:13,960 --> 00:09:18,039 have here is how to play non conscious golf. And 160 00:09:18,080 --> 00:09:24,399 how is that different than unconscious golf. I just answered 161 00:09:24,440 --> 00:09:28,240 my own question in my head unconscious Golf. 162 00:09:30,799 --> 00:09:33,519 Speaker 3: That I didn't write that article a I called calling Chromac, 163 00:09:33,519 --> 00:09:36,720 who's a contributor to Golf State of Mind, wrote that article. 164 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:41,480 And I'm still conscious, but is subconscious? So I might 165 00:09:41,519 --> 00:09:43,600 not be able to be able to answer that as 166 00:09:43,600 --> 00:09:46,399 well as I would like it this at this time. 167 00:09:46,519 --> 00:09:47,720 Speaker 1: But that's fair. 168 00:09:47,799 --> 00:09:53,799 Speaker 3: Yeah, he's ahead, Yeah, he's uh yeah. I mean, for me, 169 00:09:53,919 --> 00:10:00,879 the subconscious your your swing is made with your subconscious mind. 170 00:10:03,799 --> 00:10:06,879 And so those are just those are just important things 171 00:10:06,919 --> 00:10:11,039 to think about, like the division, the division of what 172 00:10:11,120 --> 00:10:15,960 your mind, what what these different parts of your mind plays, 173 00:10:16,120 --> 00:10:17,759 or the roles of the different parts of your mind 174 00:10:17,799 --> 00:10:20,759 play in a game of golf. You know, the conscious mind, 175 00:10:21,600 --> 00:10:25,960 the logical analytical brain, is going to be at work 176 00:10:26,480 --> 00:10:32,679 only during the pre shot routine. So that's you know, 177 00:10:32,759 --> 00:10:36,759 that's deciding on which the right shot to play, that's 178 00:10:36,799 --> 00:10:41,200 calculating you know, the yardage. That's you know, making sure 179 00:10:41,240 --> 00:10:44,919 that you're going through that sequence of steps throughout your routine, 180 00:10:46,279 --> 00:10:48,919 keeping you you're focused on the on the right things 181 00:10:49,039 --> 00:10:52,679 throughout your routine. But when you're ready to go, and 182 00:10:52,720 --> 00:10:55,759 you you know, you might have some some some confidence 183 00:10:55,799 --> 00:10:58,080 triggers and some go triggers in your as a part 184 00:10:58,120 --> 00:10:59,679 of your routine, as soon as you're ready to go, 185 00:10:59,799 --> 00:11:03,679 that's in the conscious mind shuts off completely. And whether 186 00:11:03,720 --> 00:11:08,559 it's non conscious or subconscious, it's you know, there's there's 187 00:11:08,600 --> 00:11:14,360 there's absolutely nothing, but there's you know, a thoughtless swing, 188 00:11:14,480 --> 00:11:18,440 I thought free, I should say thought free swing. Yeah, 189 00:11:18,720 --> 00:11:19,519 being executed. 190 00:11:25,519 --> 00:11:30,080 Speaker 1: Actually, Colin Cromac was on the Golf Smarter podcast back 191 00:11:30,120 --> 00:11:33,639 in two thousand and eight, so and we all right, yeah, yeah, 192 00:11:33,679 --> 00:11:36,039 and we talked to him about target oriented golf, which 193 00:11:36,399 --> 00:11:39,159 which was an epiphany for me. I love talking about 194 00:11:39,200 --> 00:11:39,919 target golf. 195 00:11:40,840 --> 00:11:43,559 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean that's you know, that's one of one 196 00:11:43,600 --> 00:11:46,039 of the fundamentals of his program. But I mean, for me, 197 00:11:47,000 --> 00:11:49,759 the precise I mean, I tell the players that I 198 00:11:49,799 --> 00:11:53,440 work with you know, where is your target? Where's your target? 199 00:11:53,639 --> 00:11:57,879 Always comes down to where is your target? And you 200 00:11:57,919 --> 00:12:00,399 know a lot of the average players that I speak 201 00:12:00,440 --> 00:12:04,399 to just aiming center of fairway, center of green. They 202 00:12:04,399 --> 00:12:08,639 don't even have like a precise target. And it's amazing, 203 00:12:08,840 --> 00:12:11,159 how I mean, especially for the short game, you know, 204 00:12:11,240 --> 00:12:13,320 just having like spots that you're aiming at and just 205 00:12:13,679 --> 00:12:17,000 you become connected with the target, connected with the shot, 206 00:12:17,720 --> 00:12:22,440 and that takes away, you know, any focus on on 207 00:12:22,480 --> 00:12:25,840 your swing, which is a negative, which is negatively going 208 00:12:25,879 --> 00:12:29,360 to impact you your play. It's you know, it's always 209 00:12:29,440 --> 00:12:32,360 you're always thinking about the shot and the target, and 210 00:12:32,440 --> 00:12:35,440 you're seeing that in your mind's eye right up until 211 00:12:35,600 --> 00:12:39,240 you know you take you take the club back. And 212 00:12:39,320 --> 00:12:42,919 so you know, I can't emphasize enough how you know, 213 00:12:43,080 --> 00:12:47,879 target shot shape, visualizing becoming connected with that particular shot 214 00:12:49,440 --> 00:12:52,120 you know is going to help. And I know that 215 00:12:52,440 --> 00:12:54,200 a lot of players, you know, when they're making their 216 00:12:54,240 --> 00:12:56,960 practice swings, they're just you know, they're working on a 217 00:12:57,039 --> 00:12:59,320 drill or they're trying to correct, you know, what they 218 00:12:59,399 --> 00:13:01,639 thought that problem was in the swing on their on 219 00:13:01,679 --> 00:13:05,559 their last shot, instead of using that time to really 220 00:13:05,600 --> 00:13:08,559 become connected with that shot that they're about to play 221 00:13:08,919 --> 00:13:13,480 for seeing the target, seeing the shot shape, and really 222 00:13:13,600 --> 00:13:16,840 uh really becoming connected with it. You know. 223 00:13:17,080 --> 00:13:20,559 Speaker 1: I would think that if people had a better sense, 224 00:13:20,600 --> 00:13:23,960 if golfers had a better sense of strategy or what 225 00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:27,600 they like to call course management, I think that everybody 226 00:13:27,679 --> 00:13:30,840 out out on the fairways and at the tea box 227 00:13:30,879 --> 00:13:34,279 would would be better golfers. They would cut down some strokes. 228 00:13:34,759 --> 00:13:39,080 But getting onto the putting green, to me, is where 229 00:13:39,120 --> 00:13:46,399 the mental game seems to have the most powerful impact. 230 00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:52,039 You recently wrote a piece, uh called you called the 231 00:13:52,080 --> 00:13:55,720 five most common putting mistakes. Can we talk about that? 232 00:13:56,799 --> 00:14:01,480 Speaker 3: Yeah? I can, and have that article in front of me, 233 00:14:01,480 --> 00:14:02,440 but yeah. 234 00:14:02,240 --> 00:14:05,159 Speaker 1: I'll try command I wrote it. You know what it is. 235 00:14:07,480 --> 00:14:08,879 You wrote it. You know what it is. 236 00:14:10,799 --> 00:14:13,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, the I mean the closer you get to 237 00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:16,960 the to the whole, you know, the closer you get 238 00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:22,039 to your score. So that's that's where we feel pressure. 239 00:14:22,480 --> 00:14:25,399 I mean, it's the you know, it's the easiest, the 240 00:14:25,440 --> 00:14:27,360 easiest shot to play. I mean that, you know, it's 241 00:14:27,440 --> 00:14:31,159 easier than than any other shot that you're facing on 242 00:14:31,159 --> 00:14:35,960 the golf course. But yeah, it's where it's where we 243 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:37,639 make the most. It seems like it's where we make 244 00:14:37,720 --> 00:14:39,720 make the most mistakes and. 245 00:14:40,240 --> 00:14:43,919 Speaker 1: Feel the most pressure. I would think, yeah, it's. 246 00:14:43,759 --> 00:14:45,600 Speaker 3: Where we feel the most pressure, and it's where we 247 00:14:45,679 --> 00:14:48,120 need to have, you know, where we need to have 248 00:14:48,159 --> 00:14:51,440 a lot of discipline, where we need to make sure 249 00:14:51,480 --> 00:14:57,559 that the process is good, make sure that breathing is good, 250 00:14:58,000 --> 00:15:02,440 and you know, not not thinking, not thinking about the 251 00:15:02,480 --> 00:15:05,440 consequences of you know, of the part and the score 252 00:15:05,519 --> 00:15:08,039 and what it might do for you. And these are 253 00:15:08,080 --> 00:15:11,360 things that you know, with with the right techniques, the 254 00:15:11,440 --> 00:15:16,320 right you know, knowing how to switch off and not 255 00:15:16,440 --> 00:15:21,320 think about think about score and focusing on process because 256 00:15:21,399 --> 00:15:24,080 process is just one of those things that that you know, 257 00:15:24,159 --> 00:15:27,120 you can rely on in any situations that's always going 258 00:15:27,200 --> 00:15:30,879 to help you calm down. And you've got a good 259 00:15:30,919 --> 00:15:35,639 putting process, that's that's that's really going to help you, 260 00:15:35,679 --> 00:15:37,799 and that's that's what you know. Jack Nicholas said that 261 00:15:37,840 --> 00:15:41,279 he never missed a putt in his mind, and you know, 262 00:15:41,320 --> 00:15:43,200 and like the you know, I think that's a good 263 00:15:43,519 --> 00:15:45,799 a good way to think about it, because if you 264 00:15:45,879 --> 00:15:48,720 know that you've gone through your process, you've you know, 265 00:15:48,759 --> 00:15:51,919 you've visualized, you've you've felt the part, you've seen it, 266 00:15:52,039 --> 00:15:54,840 you've done everything you can you possibly can, you've read 267 00:15:55,679 --> 00:15:57,320 given the part a good read, and you've gone through 268 00:15:57,320 --> 00:16:00,840 your process. That's all you can do. The rest is 269 00:16:00,840 --> 00:16:04,120 out of your control. And something another. I think that 270 00:16:04,440 --> 00:16:07,720 another thing that's important in the mental gain is self 271 00:16:07,799 --> 00:16:11,679 talk and phrases that you can you can you can 272 00:16:11,759 --> 00:16:14,320 include in your game. So when you're standing over you 273 00:16:14,360 --> 00:16:18,679 know ten to fifteen foot part, say to ask yourself 274 00:16:18,679 --> 00:16:23,080 a question, is this possible? And by asking yourself that question, 275 00:16:23,320 --> 00:16:26,080 and you know your response should be yeah, it is possible, 276 00:16:27,080 --> 00:16:29,879 instead of you know, I've got to manke this. You 277 00:16:29,919 --> 00:16:32,679 know I'm going to make this. It's you know, you 278 00:16:33,399 --> 00:16:37,080 take pressure off yourself. You're not you're not expecting to 279 00:16:37,159 --> 00:16:40,159 make anything. You're expecting to go through your process as 280 00:16:40,159 --> 00:16:42,919 well as you can. And when you think that, you know, 281 00:16:42,960 --> 00:16:44,919 even on the PGA tour, them is in fifty percent 282 00:16:45,000 --> 00:16:50,000 of parts of about five feet you know it's there's 283 00:16:50,080 --> 00:16:53,720 there's there really shouldn't be be any pressure. The best 284 00:16:53,720 --> 00:16:56,519 thing you can do is just go through your pre 285 00:16:56,799 --> 00:16:57,480 your routine. 286 00:16:57,639 --> 00:17:01,159 Speaker 1: Yeah, but you know I know that if I were 287 00:17:01,200 --> 00:17:05,359 to ask myself is this possible? The answer as always 288 00:17:05,440 --> 00:17:08,599 of course it's possible. Is it probable that I'm gonna 289 00:17:08,599 --> 00:17:11,839 make it? That's when doubt enters the conversation in my head. 290 00:17:12,440 --> 00:17:15,119 But if I walk up to a putt and you know, 291 00:17:15,319 --> 00:17:17,720 you know, and I'm looking at the putt as I'm 292 00:17:17,839 --> 00:17:20,200 walking towards the green, I'm going, I got this one. 293 00:17:20,319 --> 00:17:22,400 I know I got this one. This one, I walk 294 00:17:22,480 --> 00:17:28,599 in with total confidence instead of questioning myself. I feel 295 00:17:28,640 --> 00:17:31,599 more comfortable. But then then when I'm standing over the ball, 296 00:17:31,640 --> 00:17:35,799 that the doubt enters and I start questioning, do you 297 00:17:35,839 --> 00:17:42,559 really got this one? So, yeah, it's a very thin line. 298 00:17:42,640 --> 00:17:47,680 You're walking between asking yourself can I do this? Versus 299 00:17:47,920 --> 00:17:52,119 telling yourself I can do this? Do you agree? 300 00:17:52,440 --> 00:17:56,240 Speaker 3: Yeah? I think that you know, the intention is to 301 00:17:56,319 --> 00:17:59,960 make every shot within I mean, I say within fifty odds. 302 00:18:00,039 --> 00:18:02,119 I think the intention should be to make every shot. 303 00:18:02,480 --> 00:18:07,400 The closer, the more positive, and the more precise your 304 00:18:07,480 --> 00:18:09,759 your visualization for the shot, the closer you're going to 305 00:18:09,799 --> 00:18:13,160 get to the target. So I would always say that 306 00:18:13,200 --> 00:18:15,960 the intention is to is to make the shot. But 307 00:18:16,039 --> 00:18:18,119 I think that there's no I don't think there's any 308 00:18:18,119 --> 00:18:23,119 harm in sort of pre accepting you know, a miss, 309 00:18:23,759 --> 00:18:26,119 you know, the worst thing you can do is to 310 00:18:26,480 --> 00:18:30,119 you know, say you know, I'm going to make this. Well, 311 00:18:30,160 --> 00:18:32,519 not the worst thing, but it doesn't help you to 312 00:18:32,559 --> 00:18:35,799 say I'm going to make this because you're you're you're 313 00:18:35,839 --> 00:18:39,000 setting that expectation that if you don't make that part, 314 00:18:39,359 --> 00:18:44,200 then you failed. And and so I think the intention 315 00:18:45,200 --> 00:18:47,759 through your routine, the intention is to is to make 316 00:18:47,799 --> 00:18:49,480 every part you're seeing it go in. I mean, you're 317 00:18:49,519 --> 00:18:52,400 even being as detailed as to see you know where 318 00:18:52,440 --> 00:18:54,759 on the whole that the ball is going to fall in. 319 00:18:55,759 --> 00:18:58,559 But I think that those you know, building in a 320 00:18:58,559 --> 00:19:01,519 bit of acceptance into your routine so that you don't 321 00:19:01,559 --> 00:19:06,119 disappoint yourself when you do this, you know, can can 322 00:19:06,279 --> 00:19:07,359 can help study the ship. 323 00:19:08,119 --> 00:19:13,720 Speaker 1: Excellent advice in your putting mistakes article. I'm curious why 324 00:19:14,240 --> 00:19:18,880 you say it's a mistake to Are you saying it's 325 00:19:18,920 --> 00:19:21,480 a mistake to not find out whether you're a straight back, 326 00:19:21,519 --> 00:19:23,799 straight through putter or an arc putter, or are you saying 327 00:19:23,799 --> 00:19:25,599 it is a mistake to worry about that. 328 00:19:27,720 --> 00:19:30,000 Speaker 3: I would say, I mean this is this is it's 329 00:19:30,039 --> 00:19:33,400 more of a technical thing actually, but but everyone has 330 00:19:34,880 --> 00:19:37,440 you know, some players take it straight back, straight through 331 00:19:37,519 --> 00:19:39,920 in some pots, you know, the putter going on a 332 00:19:40,039 --> 00:19:42,119 narc and you want to make sure you have the 333 00:19:42,160 --> 00:19:44,759 right equipment for that. You know, there's there's a you know, 334 00:19:44,880 --> 00:19:47,440 face balance putter and a you know heure or toe 335 00:19:47,599 --> 00:19:51,839 toe weighted putter. So if you're a you know, if 336 00:19:51,880 --> 00:19:53,359 you're a straight back straight through, you want to have 337 00:19:53,400 --> 00:19:55,920 a face balance putter and know and know what the 338 00:19:55,960 --> 00:20:00,680 difference is because that can that can extra stroke. 339 00:20:00,880 --> 00:20:04,200 Speaker 1: Can you explain face balance for those who don't know. 340 00:20:05,640 --> 00:20:08,400 Speaker 3: So, face balance potter is when there's equal weight across 341 00:20:08,480 --> 00:20:10,440 across the face of the potter, and you can you 342 00:20:10,480 --> 00:20:13,839 can test this out by holding the potter, you know, 343 00:20:13,880 --> 00:20:16,279 a few inches from the from the head of the 344 00:20:16,319 --> 00:20:18,880 potter on the shaft and you can see how the 345 00:20:18,920 --> 00:20:22,039 potter is is balanced, whether it's it's balanced in the 346 00:20:22,119 --> 00:20:25,200 toe or the heel, or it just lies it just 347 00:20:25,240 --> 00:20:25,880 lies flat. 348 00:20:26,960 --> 00:20:29,559 Speaker 1: So if you are a straight back straight through, then 349 00:20:29,599 --> 00:20:30,720 you do want face. 350 00:20:30,559 --> 00:20:33,200 Speaker 3: Balanced You want to face balanced potter. 351 00:20:33,279 --> 00:20:36,519 Speaker 1: Yeah, okay. And if you are if your your stroke 352 00:20:36,640 --> 00:20:39,319 is on an arc around like and that arc is 353 00:20:39,319 --> 00:20:42,000 like around your body, not the arc of a full swing, 354 00:20:44,160 --> 00:20:46,480 that arc you want to you want to have a 355 00:20:46,480 --> 00:20:47,720 a heel weighted putter. 356 00:20:47,839 --> 00:20:54,240 Speaker 3: Why is that that's that's a that's a technical question. Okay, 357 00:20:54,440 --> 00:20:56,240 It's just to do with the the you know, the 358 00:20:56,319 --> 00:21:01,200 movement that the the put is naturally going to take 359 00:21:01,240 --> 00:21:02,920 when it gets you know, when you when you would 360 00:21:02,920 --> 00:21:05,400 if you were to take it back on a pendulum. 361 00:21:05,559 --> 00:21:09,000 So I would have thought that if you're if you're 362 00:21:09,039 --> 00:21:11,039 taking it straight back and you've got to you know, 363 00:21:11,240 --> 00:21:13,440 a heel weighted putter, you're going to be kind of 364 00:21:13,480 --> 00:21:16,119 like fighting against against the potterst natural movement. 365 00:21:22,279 --> 00:21:25,839 Speaker 1: Getting too technical is is what you think is also 366 00:21:25,880 --> 00:21:28,200 a very big issue for most people as they spend 367 00:21:28,200 --> 00:21:32,279 too much time forcing that. Is that what you mean 368 00:21:32,359 --> 00:21:33,400 by being too technical? 369 00:21:34,359 --> 00:21:37,920 Speaker 3: Yeah? I do. I think that putting, you know, as 370 00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:40,799 we just discussed, putting is probably the most mental part 371 00:21:40,799 --> 00:21:45,680 of the game, and it should for me. It's it's 372 00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:50,200 an art, not a science. And I think that you know, 373 00:21:50,319 --> 00:21:52,920 even with you know, I don't I could use a 374 00:21:53,079 --> 00:21:55,480 you know, one of those old bull's eye putters and 375 00:21:55,480 --> 00:21:57,720 and plays as well as you know, using one of 376 00:21:57,720 --> 00:22:03,319 the the most recent uh super luper potters, because for me, 377 00:22:03,599 --> 00:22:05,960 it's all about you know, how while I've visualized the 378 00:22:06,079 --> 00:22:10,319 line how while I've felt it and and really got 379 00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:14,559 got into the putt itself instead of anything to do 380 00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:17,920 with with my stroke. I think that same with the 381 00:22:18,039 --> 00:22:20,720 with the longer, the long game. If you've got a 382 00:22:20,759 --> 00:22:23,079 good if you've got if you've got strong fundamentals and 383 00:22:23,119 --> 00:22:25,799 you know you're setting up consistently to every part and 384 00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:29,279 you know, I mean, alignment is absolutely key. And that's 385 00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:32,799 another another one of the mistakes is that you know, 386 00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:36,119 you could have a you know, a great visualization and 387 00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:38,519 great great feel and then great green reading, but if 388 00:22:38,519 --> 00:22:41,720 you don't actually put the potter face down in line 389 00:22:41,759 --> 00:22:45,799 with where you want the ball to start, then then 390 00:22:45,839 --> 00:22:47,480 you're not going to you know, you're going to miss 391 00:22:47,519 --> 00:22:52,480 the put. So good fundamentals and then really good alignment 392 00:22:52,559 --> 00:22:55,720 and making sure that you are making sure that your 393 00:22:55,720 --> 00:22:57,279 alignment is absolutely spot on. 394 00:22:58,400 --> 00:23:03,920 Speaker 1: The place where I find the mental game, uh intersects 395 00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:09,480 so much with the physical elements the swing mechanics are 396 00:23:09,519 --> 00:23:13,079 in my short game, whether it be bunker play or chipping, 397 00:23:15,279 --> 00:23:19,720 because where I think I understand what I'm supposed to 398 00:23:19,759 --> 00:23:23,359 be doing and I have the tools to do it properly, 399 00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:28,680 but my head gets into you know, like the amount 400 00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:31,160 of pressure the amount of the back swing, the you know, 401 00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:34,480 how how much do I hit down on it? 402 00:23:34,599 --> 00:23:34,759 Speaker 3: How? 403 00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:38,039 Speaker 1: You know, there's so many different technical elements that get 404 00:23:38,599 --> 00:23:41,680 in the way of the mental game when when the 405 00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:44,640 metal game is so important when it comes to the 406 00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:45,279 short part of. 407 00:23:45,279 --> 00:23:48,240 Speaker 3: Your game, Yeah it is. I mean there's there's so 408 00:23:48,319 --> 00:23:51,000 many different ways that you can play those short shots. 409 00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:54,079 And you know, I know exactly what you mean when 410 00:23:54,079 --> 00:23:55,839 you're when you're in a bunker and you've got a 411 00:23:55,839 --> 00:23:59,000 certain kind of lie and you're thinking, you know, well, 412 00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:01,200 you know how it's going to you know, how it's 413 00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:03,599 going to pop out, how deeps the sand, and you know, 414 00:24:03,599 --> 00:24:05,720 there's all sorts of things that are going through your head. 415 00:24:05,759 --> 00:24:11,279 And I think that you know, commitment is commitment. Commitment 416 00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:14,400 to a bad shot is going to result better than 417 00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:17,880 you know, not committing to a good shot, if you 418 00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:18,960 understand what I mean, so. 419 00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:21,559 Speaker 1: Not at all committed to have no idea what. 420 00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:28,400 Speaker 3: Man so for for example, I would say that whatever 421 00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:32,799 whatever you decide, no matter how good a player you 422 00:24:32,839 --> 00:24:37,480 are around the greens or you know, out of bunkers, 423 00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:40,920 committing and believing that you can hit those shots is 424 00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:43,799 going to help you out more than any kinds of 425 00:24:43,839 --> 00:24:46,960 thought thoughts, technical thoughts about you know, how far you 426 00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:49,640 should open the club face and how far you know, 427 00:24:51,079 --> 00:24:53,240 you know, how deep you should hit through the sand. 428 00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:56,680 Those are things that you can figure out in your 429 00:24:56,880 --> 00:24:59,960 in your practice, your practice things and your preparation for 430 00:25:00,039 --> 00:25:02,519 the shot. And I think that if you you've had 431 00:25:02,599 --> 00:25:07,039 more meaningful practice sessions where you actually like put yourself 432 00:25:07,039 --> 00:25:10,799 in tricky situations and and and you have, you know, 433 00:25:10,839 --> 00:25:14,480 you're experimenting with different rise and you're experiment experimenting that 434 00:25:14,559 --> 00:25:17,720 open the club, opening the club place to various degrees 435 00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:22,480 the game, the game can become more instinctive, and those 436 00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:26,400 shots can become more instinctive, so that you'll have you'll 437 00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:28,960 have a lot more confidence over them instead of having 438 00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:33,319 to fulfill your head with with all the technical stuff. 439 00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:37,400 But I would just say that committing, committing to the 440 00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:39,960 shot you've chosen and setting up in the correct way 441 00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:42,799 to be able to play that shot is all you 442 00:25:42,839 --> 00:25:45,559 really need to all you really need to focus on. 443 00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:50,559 Speaker 1: Is it possible to convince yourself that you're confident? 444 00:25:52,079 --> 00:25:54,200 Speaker 3: I think so. I think that there's there's a couple 445 00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:57,000 of types of confidence. There's there's the external confidence and 446 00:25:57,039 --> 00:26:02,759 there's internal confidence. External confidence isn't long lasting. It's you know, 447 00:26:03,039 --> 00:26:06,319 external confidence is based on how well you're you're playing, 448 00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:10,359 And most people think that confidence is a result of 449 00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:13,839 how well well you just played, played the last shot, 450 00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:16,000 or played the lost hole, or played the last round, 451 00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:18,839 when really we want to we want to think about 452 00:26:18,839 --> 00:26:23,759 confidence being something that you can generate within, which then 453 00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:28,200 affects your your playing. If you're thinking about confidence as 454 00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:30,759 being you know, you have to be playing well to 455 00:26:30,799 --> 00:26:33,599 build confidence, and you put it, you put more pressure 456 00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:36,960 on your game, and you you know, you don't feel 457 00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:40,640 like you're as good as good a player after hitting it, 458 00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:45,039 you know, a couple of black bad shots. Whereas confidence 459 00:26:45,079 --> 00:26:50,279 can be built through through you know, from from the 460 00:26:50,319 --> 00:26:53,960 inside out. If you can start to imagine yourself as 461 00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:56,200 a good player and convincing yourself that you're a good 462 00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:59,680 player and talking to yourself in the right way right 463 00:26:59,759 --> 00:27:04,079 now golf course, you can you can build confidence that 464 00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:06,279 is is much more long lasting and enduring. 465 00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:16,440 Speaker 1: And at what point does the the confidence uh over 466 00:27:17,559 --> 00:27:23,319 what's the word I'm looking for take control over your mechanics? 467 00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:29,359 Does that make sense? Like, how do I word this properly? 468 00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:32,319 So it makes sense, at what point in your game 469 00:27:32,559 --> 00:27:37,880 that does the mental game have a stronger impact than 470 00:27:38,759 --> 00:27:45,519 then your mechanics in helping you get get to lower scores? 471 00:27:48,519 --> 00:27:52,720 Am I is this working? Is is that question making 472 00:27:52,839 --> 00:27:53,400 any sense? 473 00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:59,240 Speaker 3: It? Does it? Uh? 474 00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:01,400 Speaker 1: You know, because you know we talked earlier about how 475 00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:03,680 you went from an eighteen or you went from an 476 00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:06,559 eleven down. You know, you had all the mechanics there, 477 00:28:07,079 --> 00:28:08,839 and then we talked about, well what about a middle 478 00:28:08,839 --> 00:28:11,200 handicapper who would love to go from an eighteen nineteen 479 00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:14,039 down to ten or eleven? I mean, just getting close 480 00:28:14,079 --> 00:28:20,160 to ten is is a great accomplishment for somebody, you know, 481 00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:22,759 knowing that the single digits may never be part of 482 00:28:22,799 --> 00:28:23,599 my life. 483 00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:28,400 Speaker 3: Right, I think that I think that no matter what 484 00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:33,720 level of player you are, you can instantly take shots 485 00:28:33,759 --> 00:28:36,799 off your game with a better mental approach. And I 486 00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:42,559 do understand a completely agree with question. But most people 487 00:28:42,599 --> 00:28:45,720 that you know, people that either visit my website or 488 00:28:45,759 --> 00:28:47,400 talk to me about the mental game. And you know, 489 00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:49,079 when I'm out on the golf course and I'm talking 490 00:28:49,079 --> 00:28:51,880 to people, they don't think they're ready for the mental game. 491 00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:56,359 They think that it's for the elite player, and you know, 492 00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:59,680 they haven't mastered the golf swing yet, so why you 493 00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:02,559 know what, why would they be thinking about, you know, 494 00:29:02,599 --> 00:29:08,400 trying to learn learn the mind game when I I 495 00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:12,519 would say that there's no sooner time than than now 496 00:29:12,559 --> 00:29:16,079 to start learning the mental game, no matter what player 497 00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:18,240 you are. I mean, that's just it's just you know, 498 00:29:18,279 --> 00:29:22,160 when I when I watch tour players or walk around 499 00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:25,519 with very good players, there's just things that they do 500 00:29:25,759 --> 00:29:29,000 that don't require any physical skill that probably you know, 501 00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:31,960 you know, makes them like, you know, four or five 502 00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:36,000 shots better go round? And you know who doesn't want 503 00:29:36,039 --> 00:29:38,079 to knock four or five shots off the off their score, 504 00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:41,319 no matter you know what, you know, whether twenty eight 505 00:29:41,359 --> 00:29:45,279 handicapper or sixteen handicapper, it's just it's it's it's stuff 506 00:29:45,319 --> 00:29:50,119 that doesn't require any physical skill and just you know, 507 00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:53,160 following following a process. I mean, these you know, these things, 508 00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:56,079 it's not instantaneous. You know, you have to go through 509 00:29:56,079 --> 00:29:57,759 the practice, just like you do with the mental game. 510 00:29:57,799 --> 00:29:59,839 But it is it gets you there, It gets you 511 00:29:59,880 --> 00:30:00,480 there quicker. 512 00:30:01,079 --> 00:30:04,519 Speaker 1: And I think you can help us get there too, yes, yeah. 513 00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:08,119 Speaker 3: You know, and I certainly can. It's it's it's a 514 00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:12,160 fascinating area of the game. And you know, my eyes, 515 00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:15,680 you know, were just you know, open to it through 516 00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:19,920 through my in my performance that you know, when I 517 00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:22,880 when I started on this route of really trying to 518 00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:26,319 understand about the mental side of the game and how 519 00:30:26,319 --> 00:30:30,640 it is a game of of of of mostly you know, 520 00:30:31,119 --> 00:30:36,279 emotional and mental management. And you know, as I said before, 521 00:30:36,319 --> 00:30:41,920 I'm not discounting looking swing mechanics. What I am saying 522 00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:46,599 is that there's way too much focus on swing, on equipment, 523 00:30:47,279 --> 00:30:51,279 and you know there's other things like ego and score 524 00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:54,960 stuff like that. But if you if you can and 525 00:30:55,039 --> 00:30:59,359 can refocus on what's really important and really and it's 526 00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:02,519 really going to uh to take you, take you to 527 00:31:02,559 --> 00:31:07,000 the next level quicker and more effectively, and and you'll 528 00:31:07,039 --> 00:31:08,079 have more fun as a result. 529 00:31:08,839 --> 00:31:12,880 Speaker 1: I hope so, and I think so well, David, You've 530 00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:17,640 got I was saying before on the previous episode that 531 00:31:17,759 --> 00:31:20,960 your your website, Golf State Offmind dot com is just 532 00:31:21,039 --> 00:31:25,960 a wealth of video and and and writings and articles 533 00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:28,599 on the mental game. But it's not just focused on 534 00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:31,400 mental part. You go into the short game and putting 535 00:31:31,559 --> 00:31:36,400 and practice and make recommendations on books. It's really a 536 00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:40,720 great website and I want to thank Nick Chirtak, who's 537 00:31:40,759 --> 00:31:44,440 a golf long time Golf Smarter listener, for introducing us. 538 00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:47,799 Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, I appreciate that too. Yeah, he's been he's 539 00:31:47,799 --> 00:31:49,599 been a friend for quite a few years now and 540 00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:53,920 I always enjoy you know, his little his his him 541 00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:57,880 sparking the conversations on on Facebook, and you know, he 542 00:31:57,920 --> 00:31:58,599 knows his stuff. 543 00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:03,680 Speaker 1: And if anybody wants to contact David, you can do so. 544 00:32:03,759 --> 00:32:05,519 Just go to his website and again you can get 545 00:32:05,519 --> 00:32:09,400 his free newsletter and he's got a lot of goodies 546 00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:11,799 he's given away. But if you want to spend more 547 00:32:11,799 --> 00:32:13,960 time with him, I'm sure he's not given that away, 548 00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:17,279 but you can check it out. David Mackenzie, thank you 549 00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:20,079 so much for coming on to the Golf Smarter podcast 550 00:32:20,119 --> 00:32:22,720 and sharing your methods and your teachings. 551 00:32:23,559 --> 00:32:25,240 Speaker 3: Thank you very much, fred I. You know I love 552 00:32:25,319 --> 00:32:28,519 talking about this stuff. This is my passion and you 553 00:32:28,559 --> 00:32:31,000 know I've been a big fan of your your You're 554 00:32:31,039 --> 00:32:33,400 Both Smart podcast for for a long time now and 555 00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:35,519 it's been an absolute pleasure talking to you.