WEBVTT 1 00:00:17.480 --> 00:00:21.160 Tonight on the Twilight Zone Podcast, as promised, I hand 2 00:00:21.199 --> 00:00:25.079 the microphone over to you, the audience, to give your 3 00:00:25.199 --> 00:00:29.920 thoughts on the episode From Agnes with Love. I figured, 4 00:00:29.960 --> 00:00:33.240 considering we have so few episodes of the Twilight Zone left, 5 00:00:33.240 --> 00:00:35.640 why don't we make the most of them and try 6 00:00:35.679 --> 00:00:38.399 and get more thoughts onto the show. And it was 7 00:00:38.479 --> 00:00:41.359 quite an interesting episode to cover, because I must admit 8 00:00:41.439 --> 00:00:46.000 it wasn't one that I particularly liked, and as I 9 00:00:46.119 --> 00:00:48.640 was working on it, I kind of became a little 10 00:00:48.679 --> 00:00:53.000 fonder of Wally Cox. I thought in moments he was 11 00:00:53.079 --> 00:00:56.359 quite good, but overall it didn't really work for me. 12 00:00:57.280 --> 00:00:59.640 But I've said this several times on the podcast. You know, 13 00:00:59.759 --> 00:01:04.359 every episode is someone's favorite episode. Now, I'm not sure 14 00:01:04.400 --> 00:01:06.239 there's many of you out there who would say from 15 00:01:06.280 --> 00:01:09.680 Agnes with Love as your favorite episode. But that said, 16 00:01:09.840 --> 00:01:11.959 maybe it was an episode that you watched as a 17 00:01:12.040 --> 00:01:15.400 child and you really enjoyed it and you can see 18 00:01:15.439 --> 00:01:19.079 its flaws, but you've grown up with it and it's 19 00:01:19.159 --> 00:01:24.439 part of your Twilight Zone enjoyment. So under those circumstances, 20 00:01:24.480 --> 00:01:29.640 I really don't like to be super negative on a show, 21 00:01:29.840 --> 00:01:32.079 even if I don't like it, because there's always going 22 00:01:32.120 --> 00:01:35.599 to be someone out there waiting to listen to that. 23 00:01:35.840 --> 00:01:38.400 And while I do have to be honest, there are 24 00:01:38.400 --> 00:01:41.439 ways to be honest, and there's no point in really 25 00:01:41.560 --> 00:01:46.560 just being as super negative as possible, because don't we 26 00:01:46.640 --> 00:01:48.879 have enough of that in the world at the moment anyway, 27 00:01:49.719 --> 00:01:51.359 So why don't we go over to our friends at 28 00:01:51.359 --> 00:01:53.920 the After Hours Club because I put a poll over there, 29 00:01:54.519 --> 00:01:57.120 as I do with every episode, for people to vote 30 00:01:57.120 --> 00:02:02.599 on and to leave their comments. Oh, probably no surprise 31 00:02:02.719 --> 00:02:07.799 to anyone that in terms of top tier, middle tier 32 00:02:07.920 --> 00:02:11.840 or bottom tier, nobody voted from Agnes with Love in 33 00:02:11.879 --> 00:02:14.919 the top tier. Have we had that before? I can't 34 00:02:15.000 --> 00:02:19.240 quite remember. But middle tier is fifteen percent of the 35 00:02:19.319 --> 00:02:23.919 vote and bottom tier is eighty five percent of the vote. 36 00:02:23.960 --> 00:02:27.639 So eighty five percent of the voters in the After 37 00:02:27.719 --> 00:02:30.680 Hours Club put it in the bottom tier. And I 38 00:02:30.759 --> 00:02:33.759 don't think there's any surprises there. But let's hear what 39 00:02:33.840 --> 00:02:38.240 they had to say about it. Our friend Michael Feinbach said, 40 00:02:38.400 --> 00:02:40.840 bottom tier. The best you can say is that Wally 41 00:02:40.960 --> 00:02:45.120 Cox is perfectly cast. Sadly he and Sue Randall died 42 00:02:45.159 --> 00:02:48.159 too young. I absolutely agree with you on that one. Michael, 43 00:02:49.199 --> 00:02:52.280 Joshuaheed said, the last time I remember watching this, I 44 00:02:52.360 --> 00:02:54.960 was sick in bed. It didn't make me feel any 45 00:02:55.000 --> 00:02:58.680 better afterwards. Yeah, I can see what you're saying there, Josh. 46 00:02:58.680 --> 00:03:02.759 Thank you. Friend Ben Cairkeham says from Agnes with love. 47 00:03:03.319 --> 00:03:08.199 Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear, oh dear. Absolutely okay. 48 00:03:08.400 --> 00:03:12.439 Aaron Laurence says Middle Tier for the ambition of artificial 49 00:03:12.479 --> 00:03:18.000 intelligence interference in human matters, which is actually relevant today. 50 00:03:18.120 --> 00:03:21.840 Thank you so much, Aaron, appreciate your comments. Our old 51 00:03:21.879 --> 00:03:24.879 friend al Shadsma says, I loved Wally Cox when I 52 00:03:24.919 --> 00:03:28.159 was a kid, and this episode's ending surprised me back then. 53 00:03:28.639 --> 00:03:31.840 But if you're over ten years old, it's unfunny and predictable. 54 00:03:32.439 --> 00:03:36.000 Poor Wally died far too young and belongs mostly in comedies, 55 00:03:36.599 --> 00:03:40.240 I mean real comedies, not this lump and not that 56 00:03:40.360 --> 00:03:43.800 dreadful short on Night Gallery. You know, even though I 57 00:03:43.879 --> 00:03:46.080 covered the Night Gallery in the After Hours Club, I 58 00:03:46.080 --> 00:03:48.159 can't remember the one that Wally Cox was in, but 59 00:03:48.240 --> 00:03:50.039 I will definitely have to look that up to jog 60 00:03:50.080 --> 00:03:54.120 my memory. I think that's the thing. Isn't it unfunny? 61 00:03:54.319 --> 00:03:54.840 It's uh? 62 00:03:55.840 --> 00:03:58.840 I think I grew to appreciate some of the little 63 00:03:58.879 --> 00:04:02.680 moments with Wally, some of the looks he had or 64 00:04:03.000 --> 00:04:06.680 the little inflections he did, but it wasn't really enough 65 00:04:06.719 --> 00:04:10.680 to save the episode. Thank you all. Jordan Dollock says 66 00:04:10.719 --> 00:04:13.240 there isn't much to say. I probably would like it 67 00:04:13.360 --> 00:04:16.120 more if it were waste, but it commits the cardinal 68 00:04:16.199 --> 00:04:19.879 sin of being bad enough and good enough to be boring. 69 00:04:20.720 --> 00:04:25.439 Thank you, Jordan. My old friend Steve Badger says bottom tier, 70 00:04:25.920 --> 00:04:29.839 but not the waste episode, no real saving graces, and 71 00:04:29.959 --> 00:04:34.120 just reinforces the TAZ shouldn't do comedy theme. It's not 72 00:04:34.240 --> 00:04:37.160 what springs to mind when we think about the Twilight Zone. 73 00:04:37.920 --> 00:04:41.959 I absolutely agree, Steve, Thank you. Cerebral p says it's 74 00:04:42.000 --> 00:04:45.800 bottom tier but definitely the better of the comedic attempts 75 00:04:46.480 --> 00:04:49.360 I've come across at numerous times, and ca'm bring myself 76 00:04:49.399 --> 00:04:54.000 to turn it off. Good casting, bad script, good concept, 77 00:04:54.199 --> 00:04:59.160 bad story, good director, bad direction. It's bad, but I 78 00:04:59.240 --> 00:05:02.199 love it. It's a spoonful of ice cream buried under 79 00:05:02.199 --> 00:05:04.839 too many cherries, al East anything. 80 00:05:05.800 --> 00:05:06.000 You know. 81 00:05:07.439 --> 00:05:11.519 If there's one thing I can really respect, it's someone 82 00:05:11.600 --> 00:05:15.480 who can say, you know what, Yeah, it's not very good, 83 00:05:15.600 --> 00:05:19.920 but I like it anyway, or the flip side of 84 00:05:20.000 --> 00:05:24.120 that is someone who says, you know what, I can 85 00:05:24.160 --> 00:05:26.519 see this thing is actually very good, but it's not 86 00:05:26.680 --> 00:05:30.680 for me, because I think in this kind of modern 87 00:05:30.720 --> 00:05:35.399 world of you know, amateur critics, of which I count 88 00:05:35.399 --> 00:05:40.759 myself as one, I think there is a real lack 89 00:05:40.800 --> 00:05:47.000 of ability quite often to detach themselves from what is 90 00:05:47.079 --> 00:05:51.160 their kind of you know, do I like this to 91 00:05:51.279 --> 00:05:56.319 a more universal appraisal of something, you know, and even 92 00:05:56.360 --> 00:05:59.560 the best critic in the world, obviously it's still their opinion. 93 00:06:00.560 --> 00:06:03.720 But I think the good ones have the ability to 94 00:06:05.319 --> 00:06:10.920 detach themselves somewhat and be able to make those declarations 95 00:06:10.959 --> 00:06:13.439 you know it's good for it, but it's not for me, 96 00:06:13.759 --> 00:06:16.600 or you know it's bad, but you know there's something 97 00:06:16.639 --> 00:06:19.879 about it, those kind of things, rather than putting out 98 00:06:19.959 --> 00:06:24.639 there that my opinion on this thing is my overall review. 99 00:06:25.759 --> 00:06:28.319 And I don't mean in terms of people sending in 100 00:06:28.439 --> 00:06:31.639 feedback and that kind of stuff. I mean people who 101 00:06:31.720 --> 00:06:35.560 are putting out content as reviews, if you like so. 102 00:06:36.120 --> 00:06:38.279 But anyway, that's a very long thing for what you 103 00:06:38.319 --> 00:06:42.040 were saying, cerebral pe or I just wanted to say 104 00:06:42.079 --> 00:06:44.480 that I really like where you're coming from with that. 105 00:06:45.519 --> 00:06:49.079 Santino says. Wally Cox is great, but this episode not 106 00:06:49.240 --> 00:06:51.879 so much. I think we're on a similar page with 107 00:06:51.920 --> 00:06:56.519 that one, Santino. Whitney Bieler. Personally, I'm a computer geek 108 00:06:56.639 --> 00:06:59.360 by profession, and it's nice to see we were already 109 00:06:59.399 --> 00:07:05.480 portrayed as lacking social graces even in the early sixties. Yeah, 110 00:07:06.040 --> 00:07:10.600 that's an interesting point. Actually it was. You know, computers 111 00:07:10.639 --> 00:07:13.279 were barely out of the box, so to speak, but 112 00:07:13.360 --> 00:07:18.319 the computer gig stereotype was right there. Whitney goes on 113 00:07:18.360 --> 00:07:21.279 to say, I did like how Agnes the computer displayed 114 00:07:21.319 --> 00:07:25.000 output that kind of trapped our mouthed And for some reason, 115 00:07:25.160 --> 00:07:28.560 I've always liked the wimpy Wally Cox. But overall, this 116 00:07:28.680 --> 00:07:33.120 is quite a week episode bottom tier. Absolutely, thank you, Whitney. 117 00:07:34.040 --> 00:07:36.560 My dear friend Emmy says, I won't go into too 118 00:07:36.600 --> 00:07:39.560 much detail here because we'll cover it on the after show, 119 00:07:40.199 --> 00:07:42.480 but I definitely don't hate this one as much as 120 00:07:42.519 --> 00:07:45.959 others do. I think. So what Emmy is talking about 121 00:07:46.160 --> 00:07:50.360 is over in the after hours club after I put 122 00:07:50.360 --> 00:07:53.279 the main show out. Sometimes it's straight after it, but 123 00:07:53.800 --> 00:07:55.680 other times it might be a few days or a 124 00:07:55.680 --> 00:07:58.800 week after the main show, she and I will get 125 00:07:58.800 --> 00:08:03.639 together and talk about the episode in a more conversational way, 126 00:08:04.519 --> 00:08:07.240 and we call that the after show. So it's like 127 00:08:07.279 --> 00:08:10.480 the Twilight Zone podcast and then the after show, and 128 00:08:10.519 --> 00:08:13.279 now we have the feedback show. So because there was 129 00:08:13.279 --> 00:08:16.560 two prelude episodes too from Agnes with Love, you have 130 00:08:16.720 --> 00:08:20.959 had five episodes. Well, if you remember on the Patreon 131 00:08:21.040 --> 00:08:24.879 there will have been five episodes covering from Agnes with Love. 132 00:08:24.920 --> 00:08:28.040 I'm not sure anyone actually needs that, or there you go. 133 00:08:29.079 --> 00:08:32.279 Our friend John Hay says this episode is simply painful 134 00:08:32.320 --> 00:08:35.840 to watch. No message here. Yeah, I agree, John. I 135 00:08:35.840 --> 00:08:38.960 mean I mentioned in the main show that there's these 136 00:08:39.000 --> 00:08:42.159 other couple of stories which are quite lighthearted in their 137 00:08:42.159 --> 00:08:46.440 way but still had something to say. But I can't 138 00:08:46.480 --> 00:08:50.519 really get much to say from this one. Our friend 139 00:08:50.600 --> 00:08:52.919 Chad Boykin says, I don't like to be in with 140 00:08:53.039 --> 00:08:55.720 the mainstream of opinion, but it looks like I have 141 00:08:55.799 --> 00:08:56.720 to be on this one. 142 00:08:57.240 --> 00:08:57.559 Thank you. 143 00:08:57.679 --> 00:09:01.639 Chad. Uncommon Nasa says, I don't remember hating this episode, 144 00:09:01.639 --> 00:09:04.200 but I don't remember much about it at all, besides 145 00:09:04.240 --> 00:09:08.240 being board through stretches with the emergence of brain center 146 00:09:08.320 --> 00:09:11.639 at Whipples in recent years. I think that episode really 147 00:09:11.679 --> 00:09:15.799 makes this one even more obsolete. Different how common themes, 148 00:09:15.879 --> 00:09:19.799 but similar reliance on the computer as the gimmick at 149 00:09:19.799 --> 00:09:24.120 the core of the story. Thanks so much, NASA. Okay, 150 00:09:24.200 --> 00:09:27.960 so that is our Patreon feedback, and if you want 151 00:09:27.960 --> 00:09:31.320 to join that part of the conversation, go to patreon 152 00:09:31.399 --> 00:09:35.840 dot com slash twilight Zone Podcast, where you'll find podcasts 153 00:09:35.879 --> 00:09:41.639 about Night Gallery, the Twilight Zone, reboots, story readings, all 154 00:09:41.720 --> 00:09:44.320 kinds of stuff over there. There's actually a really big 155 00:09:45.039 --> 00:09:48.519 back catalog of stuff over there now, so it'd be 156 00:09:48.559 --> 00:09:50.519 good to have here. And we're also covering the outer 157 00:09:50.600 --> 00:09:53.759 limits over there as well. So next up we'll be 158 00:09:53.840 --> 00:09:58.279 hearing from some people with some audio feedback. Don't go away, 159 00:10:08.279 --> 00:10:11.159 so just starts us off is our old friend and 160 00:10:11.320 --> 00:10:15.480 voice actor extraordinary, Josh Chambers. Josh, take it away. 161 00:10:15.799 --> 00:10:19.080 Hi Tom, first and foremost, if I may be so 162 00:10:19.200 --> 00:10:20.759 bold and speak for the rest of us in the 163 00:10:20.799 --> 00:10:24.360 after Hours club, we are all eagerly awaiting to see 164 00:10:24.360 --> 00:10:26.240 how you'll be taking one of the lowest to the 165 00:10:26.279 --> 00:10:30.480 lower tier episodes and find a critical, academic, or otherwise 166 00:10:30.519 --> 00:10:34.320 praise worthy angle from which to present the entry, we 167 00:10:34.399 --> 00:10:35.600 have faith in you, my friend. 168 00:10:37.039 --> 00:10:37.080 No. 169 00:10:37.399 --> 00:10:39.639 I was originally going to record some audio feedback where 170 00:10:39.639 --> 00:10:44.159 I'd attempt to explain some cogent theory or simply discuss 171 00:10:44.200 --> 00:10:48.360 the episode's historical context. I don't know, maybe even do 172 00:10:48.399 --> 00:10:51.200 a riff on AI and where we are in twenty 173 00:10:51.240 --> 00:10:54.759 twenty five. But now a few days later, as I 174 00:10:54.799 --> 00:10:58.200 look over my notes, I just simply cannot make sense 175 00:10:58.200 --> 00:11:00.440 of what it is I saw. And I'm I'm sure 176 00:11:00.480 --> 00:11:03.480 I have watched this one at least half a dozen times. So, 177 00:11:04.120 --> 00:11:06.840 without further ado, here's just the list of the most 178 00:11:06.879 --> 00:11:09.720 mind bogglingly odd things from the episode that I noted. 179 00:11:11.000 --> 00:11:16.039 Why are they playing Dance the Cuckoos, Dutch Angles? Why 180 00:11:17.679 --> 00:11:22.200 never go full underdog? Especially at super data? Is anyone 181 00:11:22.200 --> 00:11:24.559 else scared that Don Keefer's head is going to pop 182 00:11:24.600 --> 00:11:29.600 off if only Agnes had some Perry combo there. This 183 00:11:30.039 --> 00:11:33.440 is just weird. I have no idea what that was, 184 00:11:33.440 --> 00:11:37.039 though I could have said that thirty times the computer's 185 00:11:37.039 --> 00:11:39.519 display is like watching the board on an old episode 186 00:11:39.559 --> 00:11:45.720 of Jeopardy? Is Agnes somehow related to Agnes screp all girls, 187 00:11:45.879 --> 00:11:55.159 same mother? Venus schmemus, premature Champagne odd editing, weird jumps 188 00:11:55.200 --> 00:11:59.559 and an ambitious crane shot for absolutely no reason. Only 189 00:11:59.559 --> 00:12:03.799 wished computers today sounded as cool as Agnes. What on 190 00:12:03.799 --> 00:12:06.519 earth was Elwood doing to that machine? And why is 191 00:12:06.559 --> 00:12:08.679 he about to put the door placard on the young 192 00:12:08.720 --> 00:12:15.600 woman's bosoms? And that's it. But for the record, our 193 00:12:15.639 --> 00:12:19.240 son Carson liked it. When I pressed him on why, 194 00:12:19.279 --> 00:12:24.559 he simply said, I love the Twilight Zone. I guess 195 00:12:24.600 --> 00:12:28.679 in the end he's right, good, bad, just playing mediocre 196 00:12:28.799 --> 00:12:32.279 or whatever. From Agnes with Love is we do love 197 00:12:32.320 --> 00:12:36.960 our Twilight Zone. Thanks again, Tom, and I hope you 198 00:12:37.120 --> 00:12:40.159 are in recovery after this episode. 199 00:12:40.720 --> 00:12:42.679 Take care, Thank you, Josh. 200 00:12:42.879 --> 00:12:47.360 I enjoyed your stream of consciousness thoughts there on From 201 00:12:47.399 --> 00:12:49.440 Agnes with Love. But I think we all could be 202 00:12:49.519 --> 00:12:55.000 a little bit more like cars and sometimes, and you know, 203 00:12:56.440 --> 00:12:59.639 I guess try and find the joy in things more 204 00:12:59.679 --> 00:13:03.200 than we probably do as adults. I mean, I tried, 205 00:13:03.480 --> 00:13:05.799 and I think that's probably why I came away with 206 00:13:05.840 --> 00:13:08.639 the thought that at least I enjoyed some of what 207 00:13:09.240 --> 00:13:13.759 Wally Cox did. So there was that you said at 208 00:13:13.799 --> 00:13:17.000 the beginning that you're you were interested how I would 209 00:13:17.039 --> 00:13:20.879 approach this one and I appreciate that because it is 210 00:13:20.919 --> 00:13:24.159 getting a little bit tougher here in season five. The 211 00:13:24.240 --> 00:13:28.559 trivia is really drying up, and you've got to try 212 00:13:28.559 --> 00:13:32.559 and I guess do something with the episode. So this time, 213 00:13:32.679 --> 00:13:34.919 you know, it was like, well, what are computer's doing 214 00:13:34.960 --> 00:13:38.000 at that time? And bring a little bit into it 215 00:13:38.120 --> 00:13:40.759 to round things out a bit, I suppose, But I 216 00:13:40.799 --> 00:13:44.600 hope you enjoyed it, and thank you for charming in Josh. 217 00:13:44.759 --> 00:13:45.200 Okay. 218 00:13:45.480 --> 00:13:50.440 Next up we have the CEO of job a house press, 219 00:13:50.799 --> 00:13:51.679 our friend. 220 00:13:51.480 --> 00:13:54.759 Chad Hey, Tom Chad here calling in with a couple 221 00:13:54.919 --> 00:13:58.960 thoughts on for Agnes with love. You know, mostly I'm 222 00:13:59.039 --> 00:14:00.960 guessing that there's now going to be a whole lot 223 00:14:00.960 --> 00:14:03.919 of feedback on this one. So I like to try 224 00:14:03.960 --> 00:14:08.000 to do things that nobody else is doing and giving 225 00:14:08.000 --> 00:14:10.440 a feedback on one of the episodes that I think 226 00:14:10.480 --> 00:14:14.200 this might be one that Rod Serling referred to lovingly 227 00:14:14.240 --> 00:14:19.120 as a Turkey. Twilight Zone didn't do comedy especially well, 228 00:14:19.159 --> 00:14:22.519 that's the conventional wisdom. Maybe they just sort of pale 229 00:14:22.519 --> 00:14:25.480 in comparison to the to the weight and the gravity 230 00:14:25.519 --> 00:14:29.639 of the bigger, more heavy episodes, but these also provided 231 00:14:29.639 --> 00:14:32.600 a little bit of levity and you know, maybe kind 232 00:14:32.600 --> 00:14:36.679 of maybe they just pale in comparison, but try to 233 00:14:36.679 --> 00:14:39.399 sort of take them for what they are. So this 234 00:14:39.440 --> 00:14:42.639 story was, you know, the sort of nerdy office guy. 235 00:14:42.799 --> 00:14:46.120 He's smitten with his coworker and the supercomputer is giving 236 00:14:46.200 --> 00:14:52.000 him bad advice, intentionally trying to sabotage his relationship because 237 00:14:52.039 --> 00:14:56.080 the supercomputer is really in love with the nerdy guy. 238 00:14:56.399 --> 00:14:59.000 So the I guess that's one of the jokes that 239 00:14:59.039 --> 00:15:02.200 the episode make. But my two cents on this one. 240 00:15:02.360 --> 00:15:05.759 My takeaway was that from our vantage point at this 241 00:15:05.840 --> 00:15:08.879 point in time, when we have the supercomputers and the 242 00:15:08.879 --> 00:15:11.799 palm of our hand and we're you know, buying laptops 243 00:15:11.799 --> 00:15:15.799 every couple of years, and they're they've become such a 244 00:15:15.799 --> 00:15:18.320 big part of our lives, and I think Twilight Zone 245 00:15:18.360 --> 00:15:21.440 and other science fiction sort of predicted that way way 246 00:15:21.480 --> 00:15:24.159 back when. But what stands out to me is in 247 00:15:24.200 --> 00:15:28.240 this episode, it's the supercomputer that's in love with the person, 248 00:15:28.720 --> 00:15:32.480 Whereas from where we stand today, it seems like the 249 00:15:32.600 --> 00:15:36.440 people are in love with the computers. So it seems 250 00:15:36.480 --> 00:15:39.639 like it sort of flipped or became kind of the 251 00:15:39.679 --> 00:15:43.240 inverse of what this episode kind of says. 252 00:15:43.559 --> 00:15:45.720 But who knows. We're only at a certain point in time. 253 00:15:45.799 --> 00:15:49.440 It might be that in the future it becomes that 254 00:15:49.519 --> 00:15:51.679 way right where the computers are in love with us, 255 00:15:51.759 --> 00:15:54.759 but right now it seems to be the other way around, 256 00:15:55.159 --> 00:15:57.600 and we're so connected to these things all the time, 257 00:15:57.679 --> 00:16:01.120 Like twenty four to seven, we're practically iborgs with these 258 00:16:01.519 --> 00:16:05.240 computers on our person all the time and in multiple forms. 259 00:16:05.759 --> 00:16:10.200 So anyway, probably not an episode that's in anybody's top tier, 260 00:16:10.279 --> 00:16:13.960 but I wanted to send some thoughts in on it. Also, 261 00:16:14.600 --> 00:16:18.360 just a quick congratulations. I really loved the recent episode 262 00:16:18.399 --> 00:16:23.360 where you talked about that the spoof concert that never 263 00:16:23.559 --> 00:16:26.759 was and how Rod Serling did the narration for that 264 00:16:27.559 --> 00:16:30.120 sort of in the mid seventies, one of the last things, 265 00:16:30.240 --> 00:16:32.600 if not the last thing that he ever did. I 266 00:16:32.639 --> 00:16:34.799 wasn't aware of that. I thought it was a really cool, 267 00:16:35.720 --> 00:16:40.480 a really nice hidden gym to find, and I think 268 00:16:40.480 --> 00:16:43.840 it's sort of a great little concept and to do 269 00:16:43.960 --> 00:16:49.159 a half mockumentary half real documentary about that is really cool. 270 00:16:49.240 --> 00:16:51.320 So keep up the. 271 00:16:51.279 --> 00:16:53.960 Great work, and we're in the home stretch and hope 272 00:16:54.000 --> 00:16:56.240 everybody is doing really well. 273 00:16:56.679 --> 00:17:00.759 Cheers, Thank you, Chad, and we will have some news 274 00:17:00.799 --> 00:17:05.000 soon about another book from job a house Press that 275 00:17:05.119 --> 00:17:09.640 will be of interest to Twilight Zone fans. Yeah, I mean, 276 00:17:10.559 --> 00:17:14.160 I enjoyed your take on the whole. These days it's 277 00:17:14.279 --> 00:17:17.599 us who's in love with the computers thing. It's I 278 00:17:17.599 --> 00:17:19.519 don't know, I don't want to get too kind of 279 00:17:19.599 --> 00:17:23.920 real world on everything, but it is troubling sometimes. And 280 00:17:24.160 --> 00:17:31.000 you read now occasionally about people who are really trying 281 00:17:31.000 --> 00:17:35.440 to shun technology to a degree. And much as I 282 00:17:35.480 --> 00:17:38.160 love a gadget, sometimes I think, you know what, I 283 00:17:38.240 --> 00:17:41.000 kind of get that as well. It's just a shame 284 00:17:41.039 --> 00:17:43.680 this episode doesn't really say much about anything. 285 00:17:43.720 --> 00:17:44.079 Really. 286 00:17:45.000 --> 00:17:48.079 I suppose at that time, you know, there wasn't that 287 00:17:48.200 --> 00:17:54.759 dependence there, but as Epicac and a logic named Joe 288 00:17:54.920 --> 00:17:58.720 kind of illustrated, there were still things to say. Thanks 289 00:17:58.720 --> 00:18:02.240 for your thoughts on that chat. Okay, my old friend 290 00:18:02.359 --> 00:18:06.039 Joe Brown with some thoughts on from Agnes with Love. 291 00:18:06.240 --> 00:18:07.400 Hey time, Joe Brown. 292 00:18:07.480 --> 00:18:12.920 Here, just some thoughts about the latest Twilight's Own episode 293 00:18:12.960 --> 00:18:21.519 from Agnes with Love. I'm not really sure where to start, tom. 294 00:18:21.720 --> 00:18:25.079 I started watching the episode again just to familiarize myself 295 00:18:25.119 --> 00:18:27.920 with it, and some things that stuck out to me. 296 00:18:28.240 --> 00:18:28.359 Was. 297 00:18:29.079 --> 00:18:34.039 Immediately when the episode starts, you see that mister Drysdale, 298 00:18:34.039 --> 00:18:38.799 who's played by Raymond Bailey, mister Drysdale from Beverly Hillbillies is. 299 00:18:40.119 --> 00:18:41.519 Wally Cox's boss. 300 00:18:41.680 --> 00:18:45.640 Wally's playing Jim Elwood, and then the episode starts out 301 00:18:45.640 --> 00:18:48.160 like it's going to be a really a serious type episode. 302 00:18:48.160 --> 00:18:52.000 And as time goes on, immediately as he goes down 303 00:18:52.079 --> 00:18:57.200 to get Elwood to fix Agnes, that music that is 304 00:18:57.200 --> 00:19:01.119 supposed to be joyous and happy and silly is going on, 305 00:19:01.960 --> 00:19:05.720 and it makes the viewer think we got a comedy 306 00:19:05.759 --> 00:19:08.680 coming right away. And I'm just sitting there shaking my 307 00:19:08.759 --> 00:19:11.640 head watching the television, going I don't this is not 308 00:19:11.680 --> 00:19:15.599 going to turn out good, and it doesn't because he 309 00:19:15.680 --> 00:19:18.680 gets into he being Elwood gets into the computer room 310 00:19:18.680 --> 00:19:23.839 with Agnes, and there's Dan Hollis from It's a Good 311 00:19:23.880 --> 00:19:27.599 Life is sitting there, you know, Don Keefer, and he 312 00:19:27.759 --> 00:19:30.079 is completely it looked like he came straight out of 313 00:19:30.079 --> 00:19:32.920 the cornfield to now deal with Agnes. And he basically 314 00:19:32.960 --> 00:19:37.160 tells Elwood, this is your problem. I can't fix her. 315 00:19:37.240 --> 00:19:39.119 I'm out of here, and he leaves. So, of course 316 00:19:40.799 --> 00:19:44.240 Wally Cox Elwood is getting involved with trying to answer 317 00:19:44.279 --> 00:19:47.240 these questions or gets computer to work, and it's just. 318 00:19:49.400 --> 00:19:50.599 It's just silly. 319 00:19:50.400 --> 00:19:54.640 Tom trying to get advice on the computer about how 320 00:19:54.680 --> 00:19:59.759 to deal with women and advises him on what to 321 00:19:59.839 --> 00:20:04.200 do with Milly ask her out, and then it moves 322 00:20:04.240 --> 00:20:07.480 into we'll have dinner at the apartment because he tries 323 00:20:07.559 --> 00:20:10.119 to ask her for a date that doesn't work out, 324 00:20:10.960 --> 00:20:14.359 and it's just these funny moments that are supposed to 325 00:20:14.359 --> 00:20:18.359 be funny are simply not funny. It's just not a 326 00:20:18.400 --> 00:20:22.079 funny episode. It's just it's so typical of these comedy 327 00:20:22.160 --> 00:20:25.519 series of that time, even in the sixties, to where 328 00:20:25.599 --> 00:20:28.359 it's supposed to be lighthearted, it's supposed to be taken 329 00:20:28.400 --> 00:20:29.559 with a grain of salt. 330 00:20:29.279 --> 00:20:32.480 But the stereotypes are just ridiculous. 331 00:20:33.079 --> 00:20:37.680 On how this computer knows that all girls are the 332 00:20:37.759 --> 00:20:45.559 same and that if Elwood allows Milli to go meet 333 00:20:45.640 --> 00:20:50.559 Walter with the blue sports car or before even before that, 334 00:20:50.920 --> 00:20:55.559 he can use romantic or reckless romantic. And I'm just 335 00:20:55.559 --> 00:20:57.799 sitting here, shake of my head, going, I don't understand 336 00:20:58.319 --> 00:20:59.720 why this episode is doing it. 337 00:20:59.720 --> 00:21:00.640 It's just that's not funny. 338 00:21:00.640 --> 00:21:02.799 And then one thing I noticed, if you watch the 339 00:21:02.839 --> 00:21:06.920 episode and when the camera pans back looking at Agnes. 340 00:21:06.839 --> 00:21:08.240 It almost looks like a face. 341 00:21:08.880 --> 00:21:12.440 When the message board is opening and closing like a mouth. 342 00:21:12.960 --> 00:21:16.400 And then the video cameras, which are really just lights, 343 00:21:16.720 --> 00:21:19.160 are flash and it looks like it's a face. And 344 00:21:19.279 --> 00:21:22.119 Agnes is supposed to be saying these words, but the 345 00:21:22.160 --> 00:21:26.079 words are populating in that little flapper that's opening and closing, 346 00:21:28.000 --> 00:21:30.160 you know, And then you know, as the episode goes 347 00:21:30.200 --> 00:21:32.920 into act number two, we go back to mister Drysdale. 348 00:21:32.960 --> 00:21:36.400 It tries to be serious and tries to be funny 349 00:21:36.519 --> 00:21:39.519 at the same time, and it just does not work. 350 00:21:39.920 --> 00:21:42.119 And the one thing I made mention about Walter earlier 351 00:21:42.119 --> 00:21:46.480 with the blue sports car, why is Agnes asking Elwood 352 00:21:46.880 --> 00:21:49.799 have you met? You're still with Millie, You're still trying 353 00:21:49.799 --> 00:21:52.240 to date her, And then it says, why don't you 354 00:21:52.279 --> 00:21:53.920 go have her hook up with Walter? 355 00:21:54.079 --> 00:21:55.920 You know, the one with the blue sports car. 356 00:21:56.400 --> 00:22:00.400 Agnes has all of the answers about what Wood is 357 00:22:00.440 --> 00:22:04.599 supposed to be doing, but yet doesn't know whether or 358 00:22:04.599 --> 00:22:05.759 not Elwood's with Milly. 359 00:22:05.920 --> 00:22:07.160 It doesn't make any sense. 360 00:22:07.200 --> 00:22:11.720 It's I don't know, it's trying to personify Agnes is 361 00:22:11.759 --> 00:22:14.599 a person and you know, when I first started thinking 362 00:22:14.640 --> 00:22:17.519 about this episode, I thought what I remembered it as 363 00:22:17.920 --> 00:22:20.720 was going to be like the movie Her with Joaquin Phoenix, 364 00:22:21.240 --> 00:22:25.400 and it's not. It's it's not that Elwood has fallen 365 00:22:25.440 --> 00:22:26.519 in love with the computer. 366 00:22:26.799 --> 00:22:28.000 It's the opposite. 367 00:22:28.519 --> 00:22:31.680 Agnes has fallen in love with Elwood, and it just 368 00:22:32.200 --> 00:22:36.079 it makes no sense. In the episode is trying really 369 00:22:36.119 --> 00:22:38.480 really hard to be funny. And then of course at 370 00:22:38.480 --> 00:22:41.599 the end, Elwood ends up in the same boat that 371 00:22:42.039 --> 00:22:45.480 Dan Hollis did. He's all Harry Walter comes in to 372 00:22:45.559 --> 00:22:48.920 save the day, and it makes me think that is 373 00:22:49.000 --> 00:22:52.079 the same thing going to happen to Walter because Elwood's 374 00:22:52.119 --> 00:22:55.359 not going to be back to seeing Agnes in the future. 375 00:22:55.599 --> 00:22:59.079 So I don't know, Tom, this isn't a Twilight episode. 376 00:22:59.519 --> 00:23:01.400 It's just a waste of time. 377 00:23:01.920 --> 00:23:05.519 Thanks, thank you, Joe. You know, I was listening to 378 00:23:05.599 --> 00:23:09.839 that thinking, man, I missed those conversations with Joe at 379 00:23:09.839 --> 00:23:13.000 sailing Fest, and it kind of occurred to me that 380 00:23:13.119 --> 00:23:16.880 actually all of the feedback that I'm playing in this 381 00:23:17.000 --> 00:23:19.960 episode is from sailing Fest attendees. We were all there 382 00:23:20.079 --> 00:23:26.480 last time, and yeah, man, good times, good times. You 383 00:23:26.519 --> 00:23:29.720 said a lot of cool stuff there, Joe. And at 384 00:23:29.720 --> 00:23:33.480 the crux of it, we can forgive anything. If something 385 00:23:33.559 --> 00:23:37.200 is funny, it will take us away from a story 386 00:23:37.240 --> 00:23:41.400 that doesn't make sense, or maybe one of the actors 387 00:23:41.400 --> 00:23:44.279 isn't so great, but overall it's funny, or you know, 388 00:23:44.359 --> 00:23:48.240 whatever it might be. But you're right it it just 389 00:23:49.000 --> 00:23:54.440 wasn't funny, which is you know, the cardinalsin of comedy. 390 00:23:55.400 --> 00:23:59.799 Also what you picked up on, you know, Agnes being 391 00:23:59.839 --> 00:24:04.319 a love with the Wally Cox character. And I said 392 00:24:04.319 --> 00:24:06.839 this in the in the episode, it's like, well, where 393 00:24:06.839 --> 00:24:10.599 does that actually come from? You know, it kind of 394 00:24:10.640 --> 00:24:14.240 needed something to at least explain why this has come about, 395 00:24:14.920 --> 00:24:18.920 because as it is, you know, we have the Don 396 00:24:19.039 --> 00:24:24.079 Keifer character who's clearly went through the same thing with Agnes, 397 00:24:25.279 --> 00:24:28.000 and then all of a sudden, Wally Cox's character comes 398 00:24:28.000 --> 00:24:30.200 in and Agnes is in love with him straight away. 399 00:24:31.680 --> 00:24:34.440 So I guess what we're supposed to take from it 400 00:24:34.480 --> 00:24:39.920 is that Agnes is just this kind of crazy computer 401 00:24:40.079 --> 00:24:43.640