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Speaker 1: So I started doing research on it, and I discovered

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that this place used to be like unmortuary where they

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used to bring the dead bodies here. Yeah, and there

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used to be in a bombing room viewing room. They

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actually still have the vaults in the basement where they

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used to put the dead bodies.

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Speaker 2: In the Infinite Compleats, people went to and pro feared

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about their little affairs, serene and the assurance of their

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dominion over this small binning fragment of solar driftwood, which,

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by chance or design, man has inherited out of the

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dark mystery of time and space.

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Speaker 3: On this episode of Into the Fray, I welcome Melissa

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Crazy on with me, and she is the author of

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a book called The Haunted Place. And I have to say,

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right out of the gate, a huge thanks to Melissa,

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because this is the first for Into the Fray. Now

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I've spoken to a lot of people, Melissa that have

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you know, they live in a haunted house or a

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house that has weird things going on. So then by happenstance,

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of course, they are usually recording from that said quote

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unquote haunted place right or the place with all the

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weird stuff going on. This is the first time I've

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had someone come on that has an outside haunted location

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and they have elected to You've taken yourself back to

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this place and you are actually recording from that spot.

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And that spot is the Copper Penny Tray Company, and

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that was built in nineteen twenty five. So Melissa, welcome

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on the show.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you for having me.

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Speaker 3: There's, of course I would like to get into a

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little bit about the history of certainly the Copper Penny,

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but also your background and you have you know, prior

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to writing this book and having these experiences in the

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Copper Penny, did you grow up having experiences? Have you

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always been quite sensitive?

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Speaker 1: Yes, Ever since I could remember dreaming, That's what I've done.

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And it would be like on a loop. There'd be

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certain dreams that I would have, and there's continuous dreams.

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I didn't know what they meant. I had day Jubu

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a lot. Also, especially when I was really young. It

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didn't make any sense either because I would try to

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tell somebody, hey, I've seen that before, We've already done this,

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and they would look at me weird, like what. But yeah,

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with the dreams, I've had those all my life and

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I one day I just realized what it was. I

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discovered the location of the place I was dreaming about,

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and then I thought, Okay, this is what this is.

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And so I just started like writing in a dream journal,

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and then I'm going to talk about this place. Particularly,

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this place is one of the most unique dreams I've

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ever had. I started drewing about this place in twenty eighteen.

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I was living in Manford at the time, and it

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got so much that I couldn't really describe what I

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was seeing. So I just drew a map. I drew

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a map of the first floor, mainly the first floor

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I didn't know if it was a house or a

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building at first. And then we moved to Cushing in

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twenty twenty and I was still having the dreams. And

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around almost say twenty twenty four, me and my daughter,

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we were just about and we came inside this place.

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I didn't know it even existed. And I came inside

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and I looked around and I was like, I've been

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here before. But what really got me was the dreams

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I would have about this place. There's this lady in

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this sketch behind me, she I don't know what her

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name is, but I named her the Mean Lady because

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she's mean. She. I believe she used to own this place,

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her and her husband. I think, yeah, I think they

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used to run and I think it was back in

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the nineteen nineteen twenties. That's her, that's where she's from.

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But in the dreams, she would scare me, invite me in,

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be really nice at first, but then she would scare me.

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had to google it. It's called Gibson girl hair, like

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with the bone and everything. And I have this mannequin

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behind me. That's basically how she dressed like. She's very

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very modest, no mecca, no jewelry. But she had a

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cameo right here at her neck. And I don't know,

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but I think for some reason, back in those days,

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if you had my wore cameo, you were like it

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showed some kind of status, like she was in with

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the high society. I don't know how to describe it,

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which is in the book So for so many years

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just trying to get attention or overactive imagination. And so

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whenever I wrote the book, that was like a huge

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outlift for me. And so I had the permission from

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the owners of this place to write the book. I

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came in one day. The first day I came in,

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the mean lady was on me, like she was on

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me like a blanket, like from head to toe on

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my left side, and I was like, I didn't know

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what it was. At first, I had no idea. I

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asked my daughter, said are you okay, and she was like, yeah,

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I'm fine, and I'm over here, my ears ringing, my

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vision's getting blurry, and almost I felt like I needed

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to throw row up, and she was on me, and

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then I heard in my mind she was like right here,

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eyes bulging, teeth, and she said, how dare you find me?

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I found, This is what I've been dreaming about the

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and I named this dream the Haunted Place. Every dream

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that I have, like over and over again, gets a

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name that's I just do. But anyway, so I got

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to looking around as on my map that I drew,

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it was a strip of carpet that goes all the

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way to the set of stairs, and then as the

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furniture things arranged in the U shape, and there's all

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of these antiques, nice things, and there's a place I

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called the Dark Place and below or the sleeping ones

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down in the basement area, and there's a place. She

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never wanted me to go past, the Dark Place because

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it's a path that leads to these treasures, and she

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was scared that I was going to steal those treasures

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and go sell them. So in the dream, I was

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going to go that way. And then whenever I went

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that way, she would call on the sleeping Ones below

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to come after me. And from what I see of them,

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they are all recovered with sheets and they're all silhouettes.

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see the darker ones are the newer ones, and the

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lighter ones or the older ones that make sense, But

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she controls them, and so that when I first started

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talking to Stephen Kelly. They I showed them the map

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and everything, and I told them about the dark Place

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and about another place that I wasn't allowed to go

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to because there's more treasures. And they looked at each

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other and they said, that's where Steve's treasures are. And

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I just like it was just confirmation after confirmation after confirmation.

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weird is in this particular dream, I always dreamed it

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like in the past tense, like in the history. There's

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things on there that I wrote that. It didn't make

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no sense to me until I showed it to them,

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it made sense. I was like, okay, that used to

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be here, Like I had a question marks on the map, like,

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and I questioned him about all these questions I had

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on there, and they were like the confirmation after confirmation,

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and that day was so emotional for me. I was like,

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started having a dream, it was like our minds were connected,

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me and me and her. She never spoke, it was

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always in my head. I could hear her talking in

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my head, and I could also feel her emotion, like

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the hatred, just whatever she was feeling. I know that

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she loves. She thrives on people that are in pain.

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remember seeing them, and I got emotional when I saw

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them because it was a mother and a daughter and

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I knew I knew it was and I would get

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emotional about that, and then she would be laughing the

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mean lady. She's laughing at my pain. She just what

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she enjoys. And she can move things with her She

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can move things with her mind. She's very powerful in

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her realm. She's very powerful. She can move things without

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touching them. I remember I was trying to run. I

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was trying to run out of this building, and she

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made like this fireplace just blink into existence, and then

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the fire just exploded inside. She used that to scare me,

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which it did, and I think that's what she does.

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She feeds off of energy. She feeds off this lady.

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and he's always on the first floor. He wears a

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gray suit. He has a hat, and he hovers about

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an inch off the floor and kind of just floats

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like there's like clothes racks down on the first floor,

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and he's kind of like you can barely see him

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behind He's he wants to be in the background. I

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have no problem with him. I have no beef with

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him at all. He's nice, but she controls him, and

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she used to live on the same on the street,

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on the same side. I think she can travel from

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the place she used to live back to here, and

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when she goes there, she feeds off of them. She

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comes back here. There's people in here all the time

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because this is a huge antique shop and it's also

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a restaurant. There's also a restaurant in the back part.

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this place, I never saw the restaurant where the restaurant

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is now. All I saw was like a wall, and

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never saw it, I guess because it was more. It's

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more than a few because they I think that they

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had this restaurant built in twenty nineteen, so it was

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more new. Yeah. So also, I mean, the the dream

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journey was always different, if that makes sense. It seemed

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like I was shown more and more and more and

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more every time. Oh, I'd go to the second floor

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and it was just like clockwork. There'd be two nurses,

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and I always saw him in black and white, and

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they wore these old, old style uniforms with the hats.

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And every time they would they would say you need

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a band aid? Do you want a sucker? And I'd

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politely say no, I'm good and just go about my way.

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little bit, and I would see, like I can't see

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his face, but I saw like his lab coat and

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he's talking to somebody. It's a doctor and he's talking

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to somebody, and so I always feel like I'm eavesdropping,

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so I just kind of walk away. But yeah, that's

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that place place. Every time I could hit the second

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floor at place just like that. Every time. It's like

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in a in its own little world type thing, which

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a it could be like residual energy ors. But I

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tell you another thing that's happened to this place. When

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owners give me a tour, we went down to the

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basement and I saw these two uniforms hanging up, the

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old school nurse uniforms hanging up down there, and I

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was like, oh my god, it just worded me out

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so bad. And another thing about the third floor. On

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both sides, I would see like room, room, room, room, room,

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and then there's bathrooms here and there, or places we

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can go to the bathroom. I don't know. It's it's

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like places that are like rooms but not really. Rooms

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third floor, the mean lady she runs past me every time.

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reversed on the third floor. Uh. In my dream, I

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saw her like in the right corner trying to get

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out the window, but in reality it was the left side.

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outside the building, and she's trying to get to that.

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So she's got the window open. She's got her she

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got one one foot out, one arm out. And then

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and when I'll go over to see what she's doing,

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she turns around and she's like hisses at me, and

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I see her her she reminds me of Nosporota. You know,

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she's got that same build.

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Speaker 3: She's got that wiry, wiry and you said the sharp teeth,

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and and she.

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Speaker 1: Makes herself look that way, but in reality she does not,

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of course she doesn't, but she makes herself look like

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she's seven feet tall, maybe taller. So whenever she's by me,

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I have to like look because she's towering over me

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to show me her bulging eyes and her and her

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fangs and it's just like a mouthful of fang. And

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she's got and her her hands go past her knees

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and then she's got these long claws. Yeah. Yeah, Her

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tactic to scare is spot on, and she she loves it.

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She loves uh that and that's what she feeds off of,

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I think, is fear. And so the she controls the

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ones down below, she controls. I think it's her husband,

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I call. He also has a mustache that kind of

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curls up on the corner, so even though he's not smiling,

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he still looks like he's smiling. And then the two

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nurses and the doctor on the second floor. Okay, and

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this thing about this bear in the background. You see

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the bear? Okay. I've heard stories about this place since

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I've been coming here. People have said that there's supposed

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to be a little girl that I'd hear that like

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fell like from the third floor. And I've never dreamed

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about her and never saw her nothing. And so that

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I was in one day and I was talking to Kelly.

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We were like on the landing, the second landing, and

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I was holding my dream journal in my hand like this,

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and then I felt like a cold touch hit me

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on my hand, and killers like, are you okay? Like y'all,

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where's the teddy bear at? It just came to my mind,

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where's the teddy bear at? And that's one of the

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things that I wrote on the map, the teddy Bear.

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The first day that I came in here, I took

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a picture of the teddy bear. So we started looking

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around for it. Couldn't find it. I'm like, it was

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right there the first day I came in, it was

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right there. It was gone, and so we got to

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talking again, and then that felt like a little poke,

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like hey, where's the teddy bear at So we started

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looking for it again, and we still couldn't find it.

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And so about three days later, And see, the thing

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is about having these types of dreams. Whenever I discovered

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the location, the dream breaks and I don't have the

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dream anymore. So that first day I walked in and

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she was on me like glue. I never I never

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had that dream again, but that day when I had

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got that cold touch. About three days later I had

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another dream and it was about this place. But it's

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hard to articulate what I want to say. I actually

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do like another map in my dream journal about that.

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So it's like when you first walk in, you turn

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to the left and everything else is blacked out. I

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don't see anything else, only the sun coming from this

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side out of the big window, and there's these boxes

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on each side of me with clothing them like people

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are living out of these clothes. But it's here. It's weird.

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But I looked down at myself and I'm a little girl,

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and I saw my stand up and I start walking

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around and I see that it's a little tricycle work boots.

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My caretaker is. He's sitting down behind me. I don't

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like him. I don't like the way he's I don't

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like he's very strict. But I'm seeing through her eyes

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that makes sense. She had short hair, short things really thin,

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like thin and frail. And she has this dress on

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with puffy sleeves and it's short and it's peach with tiny, little,

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tiny white flowers all over it. And she's holding a

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teddy bear and she's looking at the window and she's sad.

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She said, I just want a friend, and I said,

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I'll be your friend. And then I hear her caretaker

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in ther background. I'm trying to figure him out, but

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I don't want to engage talk to him because I

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don't like his demeanor. I don't he thinks women are

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below him. So I thought, are you like one of

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the construction workers of this place, because I think it's

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it was in the earth the era of when this

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building was first beginning to be built. So I was

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thinking maybe he was a construction worker or a carpenter. Maybe,

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and he didn't. Gently he heard what I said, and

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he said, you must not have any brains to know

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that there is a big difference between a construction worker

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and a carpenter, because I am the carpenter and the

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carpenter was like yelled out at me, and so I

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was like, okay, you're a carpenter. Okay, And that was that.

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So I don't know if I don't know if that

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guy or whoever he was her father uncle, I don't know.

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He was very strict on her and she wasn't allowed

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to even go outside. I don't know if she was

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sick or I don't know, but I think that Teddy Bear,

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Teddy Bear, she's linked to that somehow or another. It

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ended up your Copper Penny, and she's attached to it.

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That's what I think.

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Speaker 3: So the Copper Penny when it was first built, was

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it in fact tied to any kind of a health clinic, hospital,

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anything having to do with that.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So after my first visit here and what happened

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to me, I finally tell my kids what was happening.

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I showed my dream journal and everything, and they were like, mom,

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you need to do some research on that place. We

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need to go back there. And so I started doing

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research on it, and I discovered that this place used

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to be like a funeral like on mortuary where they

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used to have they used to bring the dead bodies here. Yeah,

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and there used to be in a bombing room, viewing room.

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They actually still have the vaults in the basement where

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they used to put the dead bodies in. They still

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have those here. It used to be a doctor's office,

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a furniture store. They sold like a lot of beds,

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just a lot of furniture, and of course antique, a

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lot of antiques. And I started looking at these pictures,

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like old pictures of this place. So the strip of

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carpet that always went down the center back in the day,

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like early, it was always the same set up. There

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was always that strip that went down to the stairs.

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But when they first built this place, it wasn't called manoleum.

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It was something else, but it sounded like it. But

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it was the same strip that went right straight down

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the middle. It's not annoleum, it's something I don't it

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sounds like it gnoll them or something like that. But

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then over the years and they put the carpet down

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and because it's basically just been the same setup throughout

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the years. But yeah, I think and I'm not sure that, Like,

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out of all the dreams I've ever had, I've never

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believed in spirits goes nothing like that ever, because I

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always thought everything can be explained, you know, But after

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what happened to me, I'm questioning that now because and

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it's weird in a way of how of how I

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saw it, Like in a dream? How can a spirit

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reach out to me in a dream? You know? And

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then I come to the location and she's actually on me,

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Like that was a confirmation, like I was, actually it was.

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She's actually here, but she's hiding them. She's hiding and

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she's really good at it. She's very smart, which is scary.

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In real life, I believe she cared about what people

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thought about her, But behind closed doors she was a

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different person. She's mean behind closed doors, but in front

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of people, she was a how do you say that?

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She helped people out, She participated in helping people and

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was known to do good deeds, you know, And but

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on the flip side, behind closed doors, she was not

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that way. And also in death, she still cares what

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people thinks. That's why she's she's hiding from me. She

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doesn't want to be want to be known. She doesn't

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want anybody to know. That day when I walked in,

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that first day I walked in, I think if she could,

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she would have jumped me or hurt me in some

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way physically. I believe that the day when I brought

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up the sketchen to show the owners, the atmosphere got

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so heavy and I knew, I knew it was her.

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She was dreading me showing that picture. Even in death,

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she controls. That's her thing, is control. She doesn't want

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to lose control.

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Speaker 3: And I don't even know if we mentioned this is

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in Oklahoma, Cushing, Oklahoma.

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Speaker 1: Cushing, Cushing, Oklahoma.

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Speaker 3: Yes, the Copper Penny Trading co Okay, So I wrote

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down a bunch of stuff. I made a mess of

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my paper. Here, let me see where I wanted to start.

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I'm sorry, you're good, Okay. So let's go to the

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sleeping ones first. Do you know where you get this

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vision of where these sleeping ones are? Back then when

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she would have still been alive at our best gas,

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what would that area have been? Do you know.

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Speaker 1: The nineteen twenties?

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Speaker 3: Oh no, what that like what do you know, like

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what the purpose of that area where the sleeping ones are,

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what that area would have been back then?

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Speaker 1: Down the basement where the where they kept the where

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they brought the bodies in.

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Speaker 3: Oh wow, yeah, oh that tracks, doesn't it.

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Speaker 1: I Actually they have they actually still have the elevator

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that transported that can transport them. That's actually I'll travel

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today in in the Copper Penny. I went to the

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elevator and got up here to the third floor. I

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had brought some stuff with me, so that was my

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first time being in it. I was like, okay, and

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it's it's some of those old timey elevators. It's awesome. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Does it have the the great or is it different?

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Speaker 1: Huh?

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Speaker 3: Does it have the grate over the front or is

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it different because of the fact that it was used

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for a mortuary.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like got like a wooden grate way and

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it's like the length of it is long, because yeah,

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you had to put the coffins in.

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Speaker 4: Wow.

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Speaker 1: And there would be like in my dream too, I'd

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be like, okay, there was like this room or like

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this passageway where you would get lost, like and then

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I was talking to the owners and they were like, oh, yeah,

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this used to be like a little room that was

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hidden like there was like there's like places here that

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have like little hidden doors and stuff, or like a

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little like a little space that you didn't know was there.

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It kind of made sense now after they explained it

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to me, because that was one of the questions on

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my map that I had.

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Speaker 3: Well, it's just it's pretty fascinating beyond the fact that

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you were having these dreams and drew a map exactly

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of the first floor of the Copper Penny prior to

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ever going there, and you're seeing these sleeping ones prior

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to doing any research and even realizing what the building

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was beforehand, and.

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Speaker 1: The nurses too. Yeah, floor, Like I've been told that

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there have been many paranoral investigators that have came here,

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and there has been some that have slept here overnight.

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I'm not quite sure what they found, but I heard

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that some have said that the little girl, that there's

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a little girl here. But in my experience, my personal experience,

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just whenever I got that cold touch and I had

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that one singular dream about her, Yeah, I think she's tied.

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She is tied here, but she's tied to the Teddy Bear,

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and it was so so much of a relief whenever

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they did finally find the teddy Bear, because every time

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I came in and I thought, it's got to be here,

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it has to be here somewhere. I knew it was here,

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it just didn't nowhere and they found it.

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Speaker 3: Do you feel anything when you touch it or get

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near it anything like that?

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Speaker 1: Happy? Yeah, it was like today, I said, I set

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it up there and it's own little tiny rocking chair.

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I said it there, and I just felt happy. I

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can't describe it. But whenever they found the teddy Bear,

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I was like so so happy, like small couldn't go

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off my face.

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Speaker 3: So how about people that because it's an antique shop,

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they have knick knacks there, people that just come in

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and out. Do you are other people that are sensitive

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reporting incidents? Or how about Stephen Kelly the owners? Do

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00:30:57,119 --> 00:30:59,000
they see things? Do things move?

476
00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:04,880
Speaker 1: I believe she's seen something. She had mentioned she'd seen

477
00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:08,200
a man and he looked like I think she said,

478
00:31:08,279 --> 00:31:10,279
he look like, Okay, you know a little Housinal Prairie

479
00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:15,920
that show little Housseinal Prairie. The mail the store owner, yes,

480
00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:18,839
I think of his name, but yeah, she said she

481
00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:23,480
saw somebody look like him, and there's there. There have

482
00:31:23,519 --> 00:31:26,839
been other people that have had experiences in this place.

483
00:31:27,319 --> 00:31:30,160
And I had actually whenever I had my book signing

484
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:35,119
here and I'm talking to people and I'm telling them

485
00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:39,440
about my story, and then and then I hear their story,

486
00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:44,039
which is awesome. I welcome that. If anybody's ever had

487
00:31:44,079 --> 00:31:47,279
any type of experience in this place, just feel free

488
00:31:47,319 --> 00:31:51,799
to share that. I know what it's like to be silenced,

489
00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:54,920
you know, over this kind of stuff, like to brush

490
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:58,319
under the rug. And I've had to keep all this

491
00:31:58,359 --> 00:32:02,960
stuff to myself for so many years. And so I

492
00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:05,160
finally I told Stephen Kelly, I said, I think the

493
00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:11,039
story needs to be told. It just does. And so

494
00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:14,119
that book is kind of like a little grenade for

495
00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:18,200
me because it's like I just let it all out

496
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:20,960
in that book. And then whenever I talked to Kelly

497
00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:23,400
and Steve, that was another little outlet. And then I

498
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:25,640
had my book signing, that was it another outlet. And

499
00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:28,440
this is what we're doing right now, it's another outlet.

500
00:32:29,039 --> 00:32:34,160
It's just it's awesome to get to finally share my

501
00:32:34,279 --> 00:32:36,119
story with everyone.

502
00:32:36,759 --> 00:32:39,160
Speaker 3: Does feel good to get it out, doesn't It? And

503
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:41,559
and each like you said, each outlet and each time

504
00:32:41,599 --> 00:32:43,759
you tell it or if you write it down, those

505
00:32:43,759 --> 00:32:48,920
are all just little little purges, right, So the mean lady.

506
00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:51,400
Do we know her actual name? Since it sounds like

507
00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:55,400
she was one of the owners at some point, I think, I.

508
00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:59,119
Speaker 1: Think I do know the name, but I I'm hesitant

509
00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:02,160
about saying it out loud because I don't want to

510
00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:06,400
step on anybody's toes in case of understand you know

511
00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:09,759
what I mean? Yeah, but I will say one thing

512
00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:16,680
that the way is Maigan looks the dressing and everything cameo.

513
00:33:17,799 --> 00:33:18,799
That's what she looks like.

514
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:22,680
Speaker 3: Do you know if there is you mentioned her old

515
00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:26,039
house is very near there on the same side of

516
00:33:26,079 --> 00:33:28,599
the street. Do you know if those folks have activity

517
00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:30,359
at her old homestead or home.

518
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:34,440
Speaker 1: No, I want every time I drive like I drive

519
00:33:34,519 --> 00:33:36,920
either and I drop by really slow. I don't want

520
00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:38,839
to look like a stalker, you know, like.

521
00:33:40,319 --> 00:33:43,480
Speaker 3: That would be something I would do. Don't mind me,

522
00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:51,599
You're like, yeah, it makes you wonder. I mean, and

523
00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:54,960
sometimes you know if and I never have, of course,

524
00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:57,000
but you see people talk about it on TV if

525
00:33:57,000 --> 00:33:59,079
they have a restaurant or if they own a business,

526
00:33:59,119 --> 00:34:01,440
I'm sure Stephen kel Well, you're probably at the Copper

527
00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:04,000
Penny more than their own home, so that might be

528
00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:08,440
where she just feels the most protective and comfortable, and

529
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:10,920
maybe that's why she's so active there. So they may

530
00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:14,159
not have any activity at her old house. So who knows.

531
00:34:15,519 --> 00:34:21,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, I'm just glad the dream broke and she can't.

532
00:34:21,679 --> 00:34:27,719
I don't know how it's I'm always wondering, like, how

533
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:32,320
did she pull me here? How did I get drawn

534
00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:34,000
to this place while I'm sleeping?

535
00:34:34,599 --> 00:34:37,679
Speaker 3: That's one of my big double double question marks here

536
00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:42,400
is And I'm not trying to go full bore wild conspiracy,

537
00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:44,840
not that it would be a crazy thing to have happened,

538
00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:48,239
but is there any way that you are related to

539
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:53,679
her triple quadruple removed somehow, whatever it might be.

540
00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:57,000
Speaker 1: I've been asked that question before and I have no idea.

541
00:34:57,559 --> 00:35:03,480
I hope not. She's She's not nice, she's not my

542
00:35:03,559 --> 00:35:04,360
cup to you at all.

543
00:35:05,039 --> 00:35:08,679
Speaker 3: She sounds so angry. Is there any guests or were

544
00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:12,559
you ever shown from her or any of your other

545
00:35:12,679 --> 00:35:16,159
dreams or anything? Why is she so angry? And why

546
00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:18,119
is she like yo? Why does she act like this?

547
00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:21,440
Speaker 1: I don't know, but I just thought it was weird

548
00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:24,039
because every time we got to the third floor, I

549
00:35:24,039 --> 00:35:25,760
wouldn't even have to climb the stairs to get to

550
00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:27,639
the third floor. It is like she just pulled me

551
00:35:27,679 --> 00:35:32,079
there and was showing me her running to that window

552
00:35:33,079 --> 00:35:38,400
trying to get out on that iron ladder. It's weird,

553
00:35:38,639 --> 00:35:42,760
just out of blue. I don't know. Maybe I know,

554
00:35:43,199 --> 00:35:44,960
I know this place used to be a doctor's office.

555
00:35:45,079 --> 00:35:47,920
Like I was just racking my brain, like was she

556
00:35:48,039 --> 00:35:50,639
used to be a patient here? Does she snap? Or

557
00:35:51,559 --> 00:35:52,679
why is she trying to get out?

558
00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:55,000
Speaker 3: There was never any fire or anything like that that

559
00:35:55,079 --> 00:35:55,360
we know.

560
00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:02,159
Speaker 1: No, I think there there was water damage here one time. Actually,

561
00:36:02,679 --> 00:36:06,039
I tore some pages out of my dream journal that

562
00:36:06,119 --> 00:36:08,840
I wrote about this place because it sounded too bizarre

563
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:15,880
because I saw water, expensive wallpaper coming off the wall

564
00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:21,679
and this is this is back in the past, like

565
00:36:22,079 --> 00:36:27,039
flooding and an alligator and that I just ripped it

566
00:36:27,039 --> 00:36:29,719
out toward up. There are other pages I've ripped out

567
00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:33,519
to and I wished I hadn't, because there's a lot

568
00:36:33,559 --> 00:36:37,760
of things that little things add up that don't make

569
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:39,280
sense until it does make sense.

570
00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:46,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, That's why I think it's important to let everybody

571
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:53,440
tell their encounters at their own pace, because a lot

572
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:57,079
of people don't realize. They want the big sweeping finale

573
00:36:57,159 --> 00:36:59,480
and the coudi gras and all the scariest stuff. And

574
00:36:59,639 --> 00:37:02,280
if that's all you want to hear, then that's fine.

575
00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:05,360
I guess you can go watch TikTok videos. But you know,

576
00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:08,880
it's the little things that add up, and it's the

577
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:11,920
little and all these millions of questions that I ask

578
00:37:12,039 --> 00:37:14,639
and drive people crazy with it. Sometimes you know something

579
00:37:14,639 --> 00:37:18,639
will come up and that might be something that might

580
00:37:18,679 --> 00:37:22,440
mean something also to somebody out there listening. So that's

581
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:25,559
why it's important to tell all the little details. And

582
00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:30,559
I think that not rushing through anything is important. A

583
00:37:30,639 --> 00:37:33,000
lot of people data just don't have the patience for it.

584
00:37:33,119 --> 00:37:35,599
I happen to have plenty of patients. I read things

585
00:37:35,599 --> 00:37:37,760
like Stephen King, so I have no problem with that.

586
00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:45,719
I do Amen, What about Melissa? What about activity at

587
00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:46,760
your own home?

588
00:37:50,519 --> 00:37:54,519
Speaker 1: Okay? If I think this is just how I handle

589
00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:59,679
certain things, Because if I draw all on it, I

590
00:38:00,079 --> 00:38:03,199
think I see something moving a corner peryphial vision, I

591
00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:07,199
think nope, nope, I didn't see nothing.

592
00:38:07,639 --> 00:38:11,039
Speaker 3: Did that start after the dream started or did that

593
00:38:11,079 --> 00:38:14,280
start after you physically went there and the dream stopped?

594
00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:18,320
Speaker 1: This is well, stuff like that's happened to me all

595
00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:18,760
my life.

596
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:20,440
Speaker 3: Okay, my whole life.

597
00:38:21,119 --> 00:38:26,679
Speaker 1: I just I tell myself I didn't see it, And

598
00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:28,280
the more I tell myself I didn't see it, the

599
00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:32,760
less it occurs. Like I didn't see no shadow underneath

600
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:35,239
the door moving because there ain't nobody in the house.

601
00:38:35,679 --> 00:38:39,000
I ain't got a canter dog, there's nothing. I just

602
00:38:39,119 --> 00:38:41,320
I didn't feel the bed shake just now for no reason.

603
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:46,719
Speaker 3: Has anyone else ever seen the mean lady?

604
00:38:48,559 --> 00:38:52,440
Speaker 1: Not that I know of, not that there might be.

605
00:38:55,079 --> 00:38:58,880
I've had this one customer the day of the book signing.

606
00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:01,239
She's told me that at her I think it was

607
00:39:01,239 --> 00:39:07,239
her grandson whenever he was younger. He was here and

608
00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:14,639
he saw a lady on the steps, like on the

609
00:39:14,679 --> 00:39:17,519
second floor landing, you saw a lady standing in there.

610
00:39:17,679 --> 00:39:20,679
Speaker 3: I was like, did he say that? She looked like, oh,

611
00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:22,800
she looks scary, but you.

612
00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:26,519
Speaker 1: Know then again, oh really she was a scary looking lady.

613
00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:34,119
Oh yeah, yeah, But that's the only that's the only

614
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:36,719
incident I've heard of.

615
00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:43,440
Speaker 3: Have you ever been around anyone else in the Copper Penny,

616
00:39:43,559 --> 00:39:46,280
that's also very sensitive, like you are.

617
00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:53,360
Speaker 1: I haven't encounted anybody, how about.

618
00:39:53,119 --> 00:39:57,719
Speaker 3: The investigators that have gone in there? Has anybody? And

619
00:39:57,719 --> 00:39:59,480
it's hard to go in if you already know some

620
00:39:59,559 --> 00:40:02,280
of the activity that's going on, right without going in

621
00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:06,800
for a cold read and being maybe influenced by what's

622
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:09,800
already in your head. Not in your case, of course,

623
00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:11,679
because you hadn't been there yet, and you drew the

624
00:40:11,719 --> 00:40:16,519
dang place. That is so cool. But these investigators have

625
00:40:16,559 --> 00:40:19,480
they come up with anything as far as extra bits

626
00:40:19,519 --> 00:40:23,760
about its history or who whoever else might be in

627
00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:26,480
this place or the lady all.

628
00:40:26,599 --> 00:40:31,400
Speaker 1: The only thing I've ever heard of was that some

629
00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:34,880
have said that they saw a little girl. Yeah, that's

630
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:38,280
the I think that's That's the only thing that I heard.

631
00:40:39,239 --> 00:40:42,679
But there has been a lot of paranormal investigators have

632
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:46,239
been here. I was gonna show you the actual map

633
00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:46,840
that I drew.

634
00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:49,159
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I would like to see that. And guys,

635
00:40:49,199 --> 00:40:52,159
if you're listening on the podcast side, if you go

636
00:40:52,239 --> 00:40:54,559
to my YouTube Into the Fray, you can see us

637
00:40:54,599 --> 00:40:56,840
on video of course my Patreon as well, and you

638
00:40:56,840 --> 00:40:58,639
can get that at free.

639
00:40:58,719 --> 00:40:58,880
Speaker 5: Yeah.

640
00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:00,199
Speaker 3: I would love to see that up.

641
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:05,760
Speaker 1: Let me see the date on the top corner.

642
00:41:06,119 --> 00:41:09,280
Speaker 3: Yeah. Wow.

643
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:13,760
Speaker 1: It was too much to even articulate. So I had

644
00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:16,159
to draw map and I'm not I don't draw good.

645
00:41:16,199 --> 00:41:17,760
I draw stick figures.

646
00:41:18,559 --> 00:41:21,840
Speaker 3: I hear you. What was that like, Melissa though, when

647
00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:25,400
you actually walk in and you go, oh my god.

648
00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:27,480
I drew this place.

649
00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:32,119
Speaker 1: After after the initial shock of her being on me

650
00:41:33,519 --> 00:41:37,039
and being like in my face saying how dare you

651
00:41:37,119 --> 00:41:40,119
find me? Like I had to. I had to calm down.

652
00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:45,280
I had to breathe and calm down. And then I

653
00:41:45,639 --> 00:41:48,960
looked around and I thought, oh my god, there's this

654
00:41:49,039 --> 00:41:54,239
strip of carpet, everything shaped like a U shape, and

655
00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:58,119
it's stairs going up. And then I saw the little

656
00:41:58,119 --> 00:42:00,840
Teddy Bear and I saw the dark place. I started looking,

657
00:42:01,159 --> 00:42:05,760
walked around, I started taking excuse me, I started snapping pictures,

658
00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:10,000
and I thought, in my mind, I thought, you're not

659
00:42:10,119 --> 00:42:14,599
scaring me today this You're in my world. Now, we're

660
00:42:14,599 --> 00:42:18,480
not sleeping right now. I got mad. So but yeah,

661
00:42:18,599 --> 00:42:21,239
after the initial shock of that war off, I thought,

662
00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:25,760
oh my god, that this is the Haunted Place. The

663
00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:30,000
Hunted Place is real. I couldn't believe it. I could

664
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:30,599
not believe it.

665
00:42:31,559 --> 00:42:35,199
Speaker 3: I mean the dreams certainly had a purpose of some kind,

666
00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:38,679
especially because of the fact that once you walked in

667
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:41,280
then they stopped.

668
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:45,800
Speaker 1: So yeah, dream broke and so and that's how that's

669
00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:50,599
how it always happens. I mean, I've this dream journal

670
00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:57,400
is there's a lot that I've written so far. Three

671
00:42:57,480 --> 00:43:00,599
dreams have broken so far that I've had.

672
00:43:01,239 --> 00:43:04,480
Speaker 3: Were you drawn there? I mean, did you had you

673
00:43:04,559 --> 00:43:07,679
driven by the copper Penny many times and not given

674
00:43:07,679 --> 00:43:09,920
a second thought to it, or were on that opparticunity

675
00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:10,320
to day?

676
00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:12,920
Speaker 1: I wasn't even know. I wasn't even drawn there.

677
00:43:13,039 --> 00:43:13,280
Speaker 4: Nope.

678
00:43:13,639 --> 00:43:14,079
Speaker 3: Wow.

679
00:43:14,119 --> 00:43:18,679
Speaker 1: But usually when we drove down this road, it was

680
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:22,000
going one way. And then that particular day we came

681
00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:25,079
from a different way and I saw just happened to

682
00:43:25,079 --> 00:43:27,199
see on the side of the building there's like this

683
00:43:27,519 --> 00:43:30,880
hand points and says backroom cafe on it, and I thought,

684
00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:36,079
and then the front part is this huge window you

685
00:43:36,079 --> 00:43:38,400
could see like it looks like antiques and everything, and

686
00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:42,280
I thought, wow, like it's actually a restaurant and like

687
00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:45,880
an antique place. So I've never seen any fact that

688
00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:48,400
before in my life. Soop, I said, Okay, we're going

689
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:50,039
to stop here, We're going to go in there and look,

690
00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:51,760
and so we did.

691
00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:54,239
Speaker 3: It is a cool looking place. It's a brick building.

692
00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:57,239
It reminds me of a building from maybe like Tombstone,

693
00:43:57,280 --> 00:44:00,719
Arizona or something. It just looks so classic Gold School.

694
00:44:02,039 --> 00:44:05,760
So the cafe side, the cafe side is a totally

695
00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:08,800
new addition. Or was that part of the Copper Penny

696
00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:11,639
and turned into the cafe.

697
00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:14,400
Speaker 1: I think it's a it was a new addition. It's

698
00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:16,320
one thing I never I never saw it in my

699
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:16,920
dreams though.

700
00:44:17,079 --> 00:44:17,480
Speaker 3: Okay.

701
00:44:17,679 --> 00:44:19,719
Speaker 1: The only thing on that part of it was like

702
00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:22,719
a wall. There was kind of like a weak wall.

703
00:44:23,519 --> 00:44:30,119
Oh it's hard to explain, but yeah, I gotta say

704
00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:33,639
they have some good food there here this way. Me

705
00:44:33,679 --> 00:44:35,440
and my daughter, we always get the Patty mil. I mean,

706
00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:38,639
I always want to try everything, but the Patty Mill

707
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:39,360
is the bomb.

708
00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:41,679
Speaker 3: I'm that way too. I'm like, this place is so good.

709
00:44:41,719 --> 00:44:43,840
I should try everything, but you always have that favorite

710
00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:46,400
that you just go, I'm just gonna get this again. Yes,

711
00:44:47,159 --> 00:44:50,159
I am most the same way. Okay. So, oh, Steve's

712
00:44:50,159 --> 00:44:55,679
Treasure area, right, what was that? What were Steve's treasures?

713
00:44:55,679 --> 00:44:58,599
Do you know what his Steve's treasures were at that time?

714
00:45:00,159 --> 00:45:02,920
Speaker 1: Well, in the dream is totally different from what I saw.

715
00:45:03,079 --> 00:45:08,800
Actually in the dream, it was more like there's like

716
00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:11,960
pieces of furniture that you see that that would be

717
00:45:12,039 --> 00:45:19,840
like come from like like from a castle, royalty type furniture,

718
00:45:20,679 --> 00:45:29,360
paintings and like silver like like a tea set just

719
00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:32,880
made out of silver, like real high polish, not just

720
00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:36,000
stuff like that. But now he's got what I saw,

721
00:45:36,159 --> 00:45:41,880
the real deal. He's got all cons like like from

722
00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:51,079
Florida to ceiling just everywhere in the whole room. Is like, yeah, amazing,

723
00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:55,960
that's all. That's the word for it. Amazing. No wonder

724
00:45:56,000 --> 00:45:57,320
you didn't want me to go in there.

725
00:45:58,679 --> 00:46:03,280
Speaker 3: Do they have activity in the copper penny? Do things move?

726
00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:05,480
Do lights flicker? Things like that.

727
00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:09,599
Speaker 1: They have had. I actually wrought that on a map.

728
00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:15,159
I put security question, police question so that in the

729
00:46:15,199 --> 00:46:19,119
past they've had the alarms gone off because something moved,

730
00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:21,880
and they've had a police have come and checked it

731
00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:29,039
out multiple times. Yep.

732
00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:35,960
Speaker 3: Would you ever spend the night there overnight and see

733
00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:37,440
what happens?

734
00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:43,480
Speaker 1: No, I mean I might. I might. I thought it

735
00:46:43,599 --> 00:46:47,000
was with a group of people, but by myself, Oh.

736
00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:51,400
Speaker 3: Definitely definitely not that. I mean even in a quote

737
00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:53,920
unquote regular building. That would be creepy, because places are

738
00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:57,559
just creepy at night, but especially that place, Oh my gracious.

739
00:46:57,440 --> 00:47:00,760
Speaker 1: Every little thing would be like did you do that?

740
00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:01,519
Speaker 5: Well?

741
00:47:01,639 --> 00:47:03,599
Speaker 3: Especially place, you know, a place like that. It's got

742
00:47:03,599 --> 00:47:07,480
three floors, it's it's got all these weird nooks and

743
00:47:07,559 --> 00:47:10,960
crannies and long hallways and things. I mean, everything would

744
00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:13,039
be making noise, of course, which would make you wonder

745
00:47:13,199 --> 00:47:14,159
what it really was.

746
00:47:15,679 --> 00:47:20,360
Speaker 1: Even in my dream dream journal, I wrote the floor creeks,

747
00:47:22,039 --> 00:47:24,960
which it does. It does. There's the floors here are

748
00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:30,960
wooden or wooden floors. It's just this place still intrigues me.

749
00:47:31,079 --> 00:47:35,239
It's still it's it's an amazing place. I've seen things here.

750
00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:41,800
It's an antique store. So everything's from the past. This

751
00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:46,679
dream has yeah, I've dreamed it from the past. Tense.

752
00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:51,519
Speaker 3: So you and this is not me poking anymore to

753
00:47:51,519 --> 00:47:53,440
get try to to get you to say her name.

754
00:47:53,480 --> 00:47:55,840
I don't want you to, but do you so you

755
00:47:55,920 --> 00:48:02,960
know her first and last name. So if you did,

756
00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:07,320
if you did some kind of a genealogy twenty three

757
00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:09,840
and meters or something, and you saw her, you know,

758
00:48:09,880 --> 00:48:12,199
you would go, oh my god, that's the main lady,

759
00:48:13,679 --> 00:48:16,360
are you as part of you wondering if that is

760
00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:23,559
an in fact true? Yeah, but you're probably hesitant, right, Yeah,

761
00:48:23,639 --> 00:48:24,199
I'm I.

762
00:48:24,079 --> 00:48:26,360
Speaker 1: Actually want to see where she's where she's buried.

763
00:48:27,400 --> 00:48:31,519
Speaker 3: Oh okay, so great question, thank you. Where is she buried?

764
00:48:31,559 --> 00:48:32,280
Is she in town?

765
00:48:32,320 --> 00:48:32,760
Speaker 4: I don't know?

766
00:48:33,320 --> 00:48:35,599
Speaker 1: Oh, I don't know. I want to find out where

767
00:48:35,599 --> 00:48:39,840
she is. I could probably google and find out. Yeah,

768
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:43,679
but my goal after all of this, you know, after

769
00:48:44,079 --> 00:48:47,599
after everything that she's after all the scares, after all

770
00:48:48,199 --> 00:48:52,199
finding out that she's controlling these sleeping ones down below

771
00:48:53,199 --> 00:48:55,960
and her I guess her husband. I think it was her.

772
00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:59,039
I think it's her husband. I don't know how, but

773
00:48:59,519 --> 00:49:01,960
I would like for somebody to come in and release

774
00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:06,239
the ones that are sleeping down below because they've been

775
00:49:06,280 --> 00:49:12,000
here forever, and also to have her husband released, because

776
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:14,719
then she'd be by herself. Then she really be mad.

777
00:49:15,320 --> 00:49:15,519
Speaker 5: Yeah.

778
00:49:15,599 --> 00:49:18,199
Speaker 3: Has there ever been a cleansing there? She would really

779
00:49:18,199 --> 00:49:21,639
get pissed up. Yeah. I imagine if you release everyone

780
00:49:21,679 --> 00:49:23,639
but her and you're like, no, no, you need to

781
00:49:23,639 --> 00:49:25,639
go too, because now you are really ticked off.

782
00:49:27,239 --> 00:49:33,039
Speaker 1: The ones below to get released first because she needs to. Yeah,

783
00:49:33,159 --> 00:49:37,280
that's I don't know that's going to be. You know,

784
00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:39,880
even in the afterlife, you're still controlling people.

785
00:49:41,079 --> 00:49:53,400
Speaker 6: Excuse me, sorry, okay, oh sorry.

786
00:49:53,559 --> 00:49:57,119
Speaker 3: I hope that she's not doing weird stuff to you

787
00:49:57,199 --> 00:49:57,559
right now.

788
00:49:57,480 --> 00:50:02,639
Speaker 1: Because that's mm hmm. She doesn't like me talking about her.

789
00:50:02,719 --> 00:50:06,079
Speaker 3: Yeah, it seems as such, especially we're talking about releasing

790
00:50:06,119 --> 00:50:10,719
her from the property. How strange. So has has a

791
00:50:10,719 --> 00:50:13,719
priest or any of the investigators or anybody come in

792
00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:15,239
and tried to do a full cleanse.

793
00:50:14,920 --> 00:50:18,079
Speaker 1: Of the place, not that I know of.

794
00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:22,159
Speaker 3: Sorry, No, you're fine.

795
00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:25,280
Speaker 1: I would love that though. Actually, like whenever I was

796
00:50:25,320 --> 00:50:27,840
going to have the book signing, I wanted to have

797
00:50:27,880 --> 00:50:34,679
a priest just standing around. Yeah, because the book, it's

798
00:50:34,719 --> 00:50:38,199
all it's everybody knows now, anybody that's read the book

799
00:50:38,239 --> 00:50:41,719
know about her now, and she doesn't like it. She

800
00:50:41,719 --> 00:50:45,320
doesn't like it at all. But yeah, that's one of

801
00:50:45,400 --> 00:50:48,599
my goals is for the sleeping Ones to be released

802
00:50:49,039 --> 00:50:51,280
and then release her husband too, because then she can't

803
00:50:51,800 --> 00:50:53,719
she ain't nobody could to control.

804
00:50:54,119 --> 00:50:56,519
Speaker 3: Definitely sounds like she wore the pants in that family.

805
00:50:56,639 --> 00:50:58,440
Speaker 1: Huh.

806
00:50:58,960 --> 00:51:02,079
Speaker 3: Yes, I think that the little girl was her daughter.

807
00:51:05,239 --> 00:51:16,519
Speaker 5: No, no, nope, nope, that's totally I think that's totally separate.

808
00:51:18,239 --> 00:51:22,800
Speaker 1: I think she is. Her error is back when this

809
00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:28,400
place was very when it first started getting built from

810
00:51:28,480 --> 00:51:32,519
the ground up. That's why when I dreamed about her,

811
00:51:32,920 --> 00:51:35,840
everything around me was blacked out because it wasn't it

812
00:51:35,880 --> 00:51:40,000
wasn't done, this place wasn't built. I couldn't see it.

813
00:51:41,199 --> 00:51:43,760
Speaker 3: So besides the oh, I'm sorry, un, let's go ahead.

814
00:51:44,199 --> 00:51:46,000
Speaker 1: No, you're good, you sure.

815
00:51:46,559 --> 00:51:49,239
Speaker 3: So, besides the mortuary and now the fact that it's

816
00:51:49,280 --> 00:51:52,880
an antique shop, what do you know, what else it's been?

817
00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:54,679
What other iterations it's been through?

818
00:51:56,760 --> 00:52:01,000
Speaker 1: Also the part where the cafe is used to be

819
00:52:01,039 --> 00:52:03,679
a church in with the whole building like it was

820
00:52:03,719 --> 00:52:06,880
all that part was a church.

821
00:52:06,960 --> 00:52:08,800
Speaker 3: Then they'd hold the services right there.

822
00:52:09,360 --> 00:52:15,239
Speaker 1: M M yeah yeah, And I'm thinking of ambulance, some

823
00:52:15,360 --> 00:52:23,599
kind of ambulance, some kind of ambulance service. But the

824
00:52:23,719 --> 00:52:28,280
people that first own this place, yeah, they had the

825
00:52:31,480 --> 00:52:35,719
it was the furniture store. Yeah.

826
00:52:35,800 --> 00:52:38,440
Speaker 3: Well, before we go, and I want you to, of course,

827
00:52:38,519 --> 00:52:40,320
let everybody know where to find the book and how

828
00:52:40,360 --> 00:52:46,079
to contact you if they want to. Is Tony did

829
00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:49,840
much of the artwork that's in the book. Tony has

830
00:52:49,880 --> 00:52:52,639
done artwork for End of the phrase. Well, and his

831
00:52:53,000 --> 00:52:59,840
instagram is TGC Underscore Photographer, so everybody can go check

832
00:53:00,079 --> 00:53:03,239
him out. And he of course did that lovely drawing.

833
00:53:03,320 --> 00:53:06,079
Well lovely, I guess maybe it's not the word. It's

834
00:53:06,119 --> 00:53:10,800
a terrifying drawing of the mean lady. But Melissa, I,

835
00:53:11,000 --> 00:53:13,400
first of all, before you go to let everybody know

836
00:53:13,440 --> 00:53:17,039
where to find this book, thank you for actually going

837
00:53:17,079 --> 00:53:20,840
there and sitting at the actual location where all these

838
00:53:20,840 --> 00:53:23,679
things have gone down. I truly appreciate that. It really

839
00:53:23,719 --> 00:53:26,400
seems like she is not appreciating though, that you were

840
00:53:26,440 --> 00:53:30,800
talking about this is That's just good. We're wrapping this up.

841
00:53:30,800 --> 00:53:33,440
But let everybody know where to find the Haunted Place.

842
00:53:35,119 --> 00:53:40,960
Speaker 1: The book is on Amazon. It's on Amazon. I actually

843
00:53:40,960 --> 00:53:43,760
have a book in the background here. You can see

844
00:53:44,599 --> 00:53:45,440
see it up there.

845
00:53:46,079 --> 00:53:49,159
Speaker 3: Yes, it has the beautiful copper penny right on the cover.

846
00:53:49,840 --> 00:53:51,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's got the picture of the copper petty on

847
00:53:51,840 --> 00:53:54,559
the front and there's a small one on the back

848
00:53:55,320 --> 00:53:59,079
and it looks like it's offset the picture does. But

849
00:53:59,119 --> 00:54:02,400
I did that on purpose because Yeah, and it's also

850
00:54:02,480 --> 00:54:05,760
in black and white, because that's most of the time

851
00:54:05,800 --> 00:54:07,519
I dream about this place in black and white.

852
00:54:08,599 --> 00:54:12,719
Speaker 3: That's interesting. The dreams are in black, and yeah, I

853
00:54:12,719 --> 00:54:14,599
guess you really wanted to hammer it home, like this

854
00:54:14,639 --> 00:54:17,280
is an older place you're going to be dreaming about. So, oh,

855
00:54:17,320 --> 00:54:19,239
did you want to give out any of your social media?

856
00:54:19,320 --> 00:54:21,119
You do not have to do that, of course.

857
00:54:23,440 --> 00:54:27,559
Speaker 1: I'm trying to think. No, not really, no, no problem.

858
00:54:28,360 --> 00:54:32,000
On My book is on Amazon and it's called The

859
00:54:32,039 --> 00:54:34,960
Haunted Place, and you can also get it on an ebook.

860
00:54:36,880 --> 00:54:38,760
Speaker 3: Melissa. Thank you so much, and thanks for taking the

861
00:54:38,760 --> 00:54:40,719
time to actually go down there. This was so cool

862
00:54:40,719 --> 00:54:41,280
that you did that.

863
00:54:42,400 --> 00:54:45,840
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, maybe we can do it again some time.

864
00:54:46,119 --> 00:54:49,440
Speaker 3: Absolutely well, especially when things keep going down at the

865
00:54:49,440 --> 00:54:52,280
Haunted Place at the Copper Penny Rather, I think that

866
00:54:52,320 --> 00:54:54,840
we need updates if there are any to be had.

867
00:54:55,320 --> 00:54:56,239
Thank you so much.

868
00:54:57,000 --> 00:55:00,000
Speaker 1: Thank you.

869
00:55:01,480 --> 00:55:03,519
Speaker 4: Well, I'm sorry so I was given the name by

870
00:55:03,599 --> 00:55:06,079
my parents. My business. I've been out of college, I've

871
00:55:06,079 --> 00:55:08,599
done these things as my professional I'd produce a little bark,

872
00:55:09,760 --> 00:55:14,480
but it says, forget it, that's not that's something for

873
00:55:14,559 --> 00:55:17,480
a story. That's all gone, that's all passed. I'm not

874
00:55:17,599 --> 00:55:19,679
to see the really you you are now.

875
00:55:20,519 --> 00:55:26,559
Speaker 7: But nobody knows who earnings because we don't know our silvers,

876
00:55:27,039 --> 00:55:29,199
except when listening to our eos.

877
00:55:30,480 --> 00:55:34,159
Speaker 4: And consulting our members. And then that's a really And

878
00:55:34,239 --> 00:55:40,519
then again needs expect this question, go are you? That

879
00:55:40,760 --> 00:55:44,360
is the meaning. We shall see how they play with

880
00:55:44,480 --> 00:55:49,199
this extent by the cords to get you to come

881
00:55:49,239 --> 00:55:51,920
out of your show and find out.

882
00:55:51,800 --> 00:56:26,599
Speaker 8: Wh very hard Puss steps. It's it's.

883
00:56:33,199 --> 00:57:45,920
Speaker 9: Spect might for example, I might divideed on us.

884
00:57:46,599 --> 00:57:49,880
Speaker 4: They will say, no, we don't believe literally in reincarnation

885
00:57:51,239 --> 00:57:56,000
that after your funeral you will suddenly become somebody different

886
00:57:56,880 --> 00:58:03,000
to being somewhere else. You will say, reincarnation means this. Then,

887
00:58:03,079 --> 00:58:06,000
if you're sitting here now, are really convinced that you're

888
00:58:06,039 --> 00:58:07,519
the same person bolding at.

889
00:58:07,400 --> 00:58:11,360
Speaker 2: The door half an hour ago, you'll be agencoming.

890
00:58:12,199 --> 00:58:16,159
Speaker 4: If you're liberate with remmers now that you're gone. The

891
00:58:16,280 --> 00:58:21,400
past hasn't been tested, The future doesn't insistence. There is

892
00:58:21,480 --> 00:58:26,039
only the present. That's the only amenia there is. The

893
00:58:26,119 --> 00:58:30,519
zen Master will get away in this way. In spring

894
00:58:30,840 --> 00:58:36,159
does not become something. First there is something, and then

895
00:58:36,199 --> 00:58:36,800
there is spring.

896
00:59:04,280 --> 00:59:32,079
Speaker 8: It's SP's it's speak, it's it's it's, it's it's.

897
00:59:43,599 --> 01:00:33,679
Speaker 7: Pus TSN has the same ideas where he says when

898
01:00:33,719 --> 01:00:36,760
you've settled down in the train, you can read your newspapers.

899
01:00:36,639 --> 01:00:41,000
Speaker 4: And so they were not the same person. While we

900
01:00:41,079 --> 01:00:44,599
go to live on the platform. If you think you are,

901
01:00:45,199 --> 01:00:48,880
you are linking your moments up in the check. And

902
01:00:49,039 --> 01:00:55,440
this is what binds the work, when you know that

903
01:00:55,599 --> 01:00:58,000
every moment of which you are is the only moment.

904
01:00:59,119 --> 01:01:01,400
This comes into Yeah, the master will sage.

905
01:01:01,159 --> 01:01:03,480
Speaker 8: And somebody, I cannot have a walk across the road

906
01:01:04,559 --> 01:01:05,920
and it can't be back, And he says, where are

907
01:01:05,920 --> 01:01:06,280
your foot?

908
01:01:09,119 --> 01:01:14,000
Speaker 4: They've gone? So where are you? Who are you? When

909
01:01:14,039 --> 01:01:16,480
we are asked who we are, we usually give a

910
01:01:16,599 --> 01:01:19,800
kind of recitation of an instrum screens insperience, insence,