Speaker 1: So I started doing research on it, and I discovered
that this place used to be like unmortuary where they
used to bring the dead bodies here. Yeah, and there
used to be in a bombing room viewing room. They
actually still have the vaults in the basement where they
used to put the dead bodies.
Speaker 2: In the Infinite Compleats, people went to and pro feared
about their little affairs, serene and the assurance of their
dominion over this small binning fragment of solar driftwood, which,
by chance or design, man has inherited out of the
dark mystery of time and space.
Speaker 3: On this episode of Into the Fray, I welcome Melissa
Crazy on with me, and she is the author of
a book called The Haunted Place. And I have to say,
right out of the gate, a huge thanks to Melissa,
because this is the first for Into the Fray. Now
I've spoken to a lot of people, Melissa that have
you know, they live in a haunted house or a
house that has weird things going on. So then by happenstance,
of course, they are usually recording from that said quote
unquote haunted place right or the place with all the
weird stuff going on. This is the first time I've
had someone come on that has an outside haunted location
and they have elected to You've taken yourself back to
this place and you are actually recording from that spot.
And that spot is the Copper Penny Tray Company, and
that was built in nineteen twenty five. So Melissa, welcome
on the show.
Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you for having me.
Speaker 3: There's, of course I would like to get into a
little bit about the history of certainly the Copper Penny,
but also your background and you have you know, prior
to writing this book and having these experiences in the
Copper Penny, did you grow up having experiences? Have you
always been quite sensitive?
Speaker 1: Yes, Ever since I could remember dreaming, That's what I've done.
And it would be like on a loop. There'd be
certain dreams that I would have, and there's continuous dreams.
I didn't know what they meant. I had day Jubu
a lot. Also, especially when I was really young. It
didn't make any sense either because I would try to
tell somebody, hey, I've seen that before, We've already done this,
and they would look at me weird, like what. But yeah,
with the dreams, I've had those all my life and
I one day I just realized what it was. I
discovered the location of the place I was dreaming about,
and then I thought, Okay, this is what this is.
And so I just started like writing in a dream journal,
and then I'm going to talk about this place. Particularly,
this place is one of the most unique dreams I've
ever had. I started drewing about this place in twenty eighteen.
I was living in Manford at the time, and it
got so much that I couldn't really describe what I
was seeing. So I just drew a map. I drew
a map of the first floor, mainly the first floor
A little. I knew it was a third three story building.
I didn't know if it was a house or a
building at first. And then we moved to Cushing in
twenty twenty and I was still having the dreams. And
around almost say twenty twenty four, me and my daughter,
we were just about and we came inside this place.
I didn't know it even existed. And I came inside
and I looked around and I was like, I've been
here before. But what really got me was the dreams
I would have about this place. There's this lady in
this sketch behind me, she I don't know what her
name is, but I named her the Mean Lady because
she's mean. She. I believe she used to own this place,
her and her husband. I think, yeah, I think they
used to run and I think it was back in
the nineteen nineteen twenties. That's her, that's where she's from.
But in the dreams, she would scare me, invite me in,
be really nice at first, but then she would scare me.
She uh, she had sharp teeth, sharp claws, really tall.
And I didn't know what the hairstyle was until I
had to google it. It's called Gibson girl hair, like
with the bone and everything. And I have this mannequin
behind me. That's basically how she dressed like. She's very
very modest, no mecca, no jewelry. But she had a
cameo right here at her neck. And I don't know,
but I think for some reason, back in those days,
if you had my wore cameo, you were like it
showed some kind of status, like she was in with
the high society. I don't know how to describe it,
but yeah, I had these dreams. I chronicled these dreams,
which is in the book So for so many years
I had to keep this all to myself, all to myself,
because I would try to explain to somebody, you know,
I'm having these dreams and this is happening, that's happening,
and you know, I just people would say, oh, it's
just trying to get attention or overactive imagination. And so
whenever I wrote the book, that was like a huge
outlift for me. And so I had the permission from
the owners of this place to write the book. I
came in one day. The first day I came in,
the mean lady was on me, like she was on
me like a blanket, like from head to toe on
my left side, and I was like, I didn't know
what it was. At first, I had no idea. I
asked my daughter, said are you okay, and she was like, yeah,
I'm fine, and I'm over here, my ears ringing, my
vision's getting blurry, and almost I felt like I needed
to throw row up, and she was on me, and
then I heard in my mind she was like right here,
eyes bulging, teeth, and she said, how dare you find me?
And then I knew that's what it was. That this
I found, This is what I've been dreaming about the
and I named this dream the Haunted Place. Every dream
that I have, like over and over again, gets a
name that's I just do. But anyway, so I got
to looking around as on my map that I drew,
it was a strip of carpet that goes all the
way to the set of stairs, and then as the
furniture things arranged in the U shape, and there's all
of these antiques, nice things, and there's a place I
called the Dark Place and below or the sleeping ones
down in the basement area, and there's a place. She
never wanted me to go past, the Dark Place because
it's a path that leads to these treasures, and she
was scared that I was going to steal those treasures
and go sell them. So in the dream, I was
going to go that way. And then whenever I went
that way, she would call on the sleeping Ones below
to come after me. And from what I see of them,
they are all recovered with sheets and they're all silhouettes.
So when they raise up, I see silhouettes, and I
see the darker ones are the newer ones, and the
lighter ones or the older ones that make sense, But
she controls them, and so that when I first started
talking to Stephen Kelly. They I showed them the map
and everything, and I told them about the dark Place
and about another place that I wasn't allowed to go
to because there's more treasures. And they looked at each
other and they said, that's where Steve's treasures are. And
I just like it was just confirmation after confirmation after confirmation.
I showed them my map that I drew. But what's
weird is in this particular dream, I always dreamed it
like in the past tense, like in the history. There's
things on there that I wrote that. It didn't make
no sense to me until I showed it to them,
it made sense. I was like, okay, that used to
be here, Like I had a question marks on the map, like,
and I questioned him about all these questions I had
on there, and they were like the confirmation after confirmation,
and that day was so emotional for me. I was like,
I'm not crazy, Like the haunted place really exists. Yeah,
I don't know. It was like we so as I
started having a dream, it was like our minds were connected,
me and me and her. She never spoke, it was
always in my head. I could hear her talking in
my head, and I could also feel her emotion, like
the hatred, just whatever she was feeling. I know that
she loves. She thrives on people that are in pain.
I remember there's two silhouettes that are down below. I
remember seeing them, and I got emotional when I saw
them because it was a mother and a daughter and
I knew I knew it was and I would get
emotional about that, and then she would be laughing the
mean lady. She's laughing at my pain. She just what
she enjoys. And she can move things with her She
can move things with her mind. She's very powerful in
her realm. She's very powerful. She can move things without
touching them. I remember I was trying to run. I
was trying to run out of this building, and she
made like this fireplace just blink into existence, and then
the fire just exploded inside. She used that to scare me,
which it did, and I think that's what she does.
She feeds off of energy. She feeds off this lady.
Oh man, she's she's not good. She is not good.
She also controls and I call him the Smiling Man,
and he's always on the first floor. He wears a
gray suit. He has a hat, and he hovers about
an inch off the floor and kind of just floats
like there's like clothes racks down on the first floor,
and he's kind of like you can barely see him
behind He's he wants to be in the background. I
have no problem with him. I have no beef with
him at all. He's nice, but she controls him, and
I think that they used to be married in real life.
I also think that she can travel from here, and
I think she I don't know why, but I think
she used to live on the same on the street,
on the same side. I think she can travel from
the place she used to live back to here, and
when she goes there, she feeds off of them. She
comes back here. There's people in here all the time
because this is a huge antique shop and it's also
a restaurant. There's also a restaurant in the back part.
And all the years that I had the dream about
this place, I never saw the restaurant where the restaurant
is now. All I saw was like a wall, and
I always thought of it as a weak wall. I
never saw it, I guess because it was more. It's
more than a few because they I think that they
had this restaurant built in twenty nineteen, so it was
more new. Yeah. So also, I mean, the the dream
was always I always having the same dream, but the
journey was always different, if that makes sense. It seemed
like I was shown more and more and more and
more every time. Oh, I'd go to the second floor
and it was just like clockwork. There'd be two nurses,
and I always saw him in black and white, and
they wore these old, old style uniforms with the hats.
And every time they would they would say you need
a band aid? Do you want a sucker? And I'd
politely say no, I'm good and just go about my way.
And then I would see like a door open a
little bit, and I would see, like I can't see
his face, but I saw like his lab coat and
he's talking to somebody. It's a doctor and he's talking
to somebody, and so I always feel like I'm eavesdropping,
so I just kind of walk away. But yeah, that's
that place place. Every time I could hit the second
floor at place just like that. Every time. It's like
in a in its own little world type thing, which
I don't know. For some reason, I think it's like
a it could be like residual energy ors. But I
tell you another thing that's happened to this place. When
owners give me a tour, we went down to the
basement and I saw these two uniforms hanging up, the
old school nurse uniforms hanging up down there, and I
was like, oh my god, it just worded me out
so bad. And another thing about the third floor. On
both sides, I would see like room, room, room, room, room,
and then there's bathrooms here and there, or places we
can go to the bathroom. I don't know. It's it's
like places that are like rooms but not really. Rooms
are just kind of like.
Speaker 3: Hate describe it, like little alcoves almost, just like they're
too small to be a room but too big too
or whatever whatever else you might put that right, just
like weird spot to.
Speaker 1: Get privacy, to give privacy, Okay, right, But on the
third floor, the mean lady she runs past me every time.
Now in the dream, I got it wrong. It was
reversed on the third floor. Uh. In my dream, I
saw her like in the right corner trying to get
out the window, but in reality it was the left side.
And there's a ladder, an iron ladder that's on the
outside the building, and she's trying to get to that.
So she's got the window open. She's got her she
got one one foot out, one arm out. And then
and when I'll go over to see what she's doing,
she turns around and she's like hisses at me, and
I see her her she reminds me of Nosporota. You know,
she's got that same build.
Speaker 3: She's got that wiry, wiry and you said the sharp teeth,
and and she.
Speaker 1: Makes herself look that way, but in reality she does not,
of course she doesn't, but she makes herself look like
she's seven feet tall, maybe taller. So whenever she's by me,
I have to like look because she's towering over me
to show me her bulging eyes and her and her
fangs and it's just like a mouthful of fang. And
she's got and her her hands go past her knees
and then she's got these long claws. Yeah. Yeah, Her
tactic to scare is spot on, and she she loves it.
She loves uh that and that's what she feeds off of,
I think, is fear. And so the she controls the
ones down below, she controls. I think it's her husband,
I call. He also has a mustache that kind of
curls up on the corner, so even though he's not smiling,
he still looks like he's smiling. And then the two
nurses and the doctor on the second floor. Okay, and
this thing about this bear in the background. You see
the bear? Okay. I've heard stories about this place since
I've been coming here. People have said that there's supposed
to be a little girl that I'd hear that like
fell like from the third floor. And I've never dreamed
about her and never saw her nothing. And so that
I was in one day and I was talking to Kelly.
We were like on the landing, the second landing, and
I was holding my dream journal in my hand like this,
and then I felt like a cold touch hit me
on my hand, and killers like, are you okay? Like y'all,
where's the teddy bear at? It just came to my mind,
where's the teddy bear at? And that's one of the
things that I wrote on the map, the teddy Bear.
The first day that I came in here, I took
a picture of the teddy bear. So we started looking
around for it. Couldn't find it. I'm like, it was
right there the first day I came in, it was
right there. It was gone, and so we got to
talking again, and then that felt like a little poke,
like hey, where's the teddy bear at So we started
looking for it again, and we still couldn't find it.
And so about three days later, And see, the thing
is about having these types of dreams. Whenever I discovered
the location, the dream breaks and I don't have the
dream anymore. So that first day I walked in and
she was on me like glue. I never I never
had that dream again, but that day when I had
got that cold touch. About three days later I had
another dream and it was about this place. But it's
hard to articulate what I want to say. I actually
do like another map in my dream journal about that.
So it's like when you first walk in, you turn
to the left and everything else is blacked out. I
don't see anything else, only the sun coming from this
side out of the big window, and there's these boxes
on each side of me with clothing them like people
are living out of these clothes. But it's here. It's weird.
But I looked down at myself and I'm a little girl,
and I saw my stand up and I start walking
around and I see that it's a little tricycle work boots.
My caretaker is. He's sitting down behind me. I don't
like him. I don't like the way he's I don't
like he's very strict. But I'm seeing through her eyes
that makes sense. She had short hair, short things really thin,
like thin and frail. And she has this dress on
with puffy sleeves and it's short and it's peach with tiny, little,
tiny white flowers all over it. And she's holding a
teddy bear and she's looking at the window and she's sad.
She said, I just want a friend, and I said,
I'll be your friend. And then I hear her caretaker
in ther background. I'm trying to figure him out, but
I don't want to engage talk to him because I
don't like his demeanor. I don't he thinks women are
below him. So I thought, are you like one of
the construction workers of this place, because I think it's
it was in the earth the era of when this
building was first beginning to be built. So I was
thinking maybe he was a construction worker or a carpenter. Maybe,
and he didn't. Gently he heard what I said, and
he said, you must not have any brains to know
that there is a big difference between a construction worker
and a carpenter, because I am the carpenter and the
carpenter was like yelled out at me, and so I
was like, okay, you're a carpenter. Okay, And that was that.
So I don't know if I don't know if that
guy or whoever he was her father uncle, I don't know.
He was very strict on her and she wasn't allowed
to even go outside. I don't know if she was
sick or I don't know, but I think that Teddy Bear,
Teddy Bear, she's linked to that somehow or another. It
ended up your Copper Penny, and she's attached to it.
That's what I think.
Speaker 3: So the Copper Penny when it was first built, was
it in fact tied to any kind of a health clinic, hospital,
anything having to do with that.
Speaker 1: Okay, So after my first visit here and what happened
to me, I finally tell my kids what was happening.
I showed my dream journal and everything, and they were like, mom,
you need to do some research on that place. We
need to go back there. And so I started doing
research on it, and I discovered that this place used
to be like a funeral like on mortuary where they
used to have they used to bring the dead bodies here. Yeah,
and there used to be in a bombing room, viewing room.
They actually still have the vaults in the basement where
they used to put the dead bodies in. They still
have those here. It used to be a doctor's office,
a furniture store. They sold like a lot of beds,
just a lot of furniture, and of course antique, a
lot of antiques. And I started looking at these pictures,
like old pictures of this place. So the strip of
carpet that always went down the center back in the day,
like early, it was always the same set up. There
was always that strip that went down to the stairs.
But when they first built this place, it wasn't called manoleum.
It was something else, but it sounded like it. But
it was the same strip that went right straight down
the middle. It's not annoleum, it's something I don't it
sounds like it gnoll them or something like that. But
then over the years and they put the carpet down
and because it's basically just been the same setup throughout
the years. But yeah, I think and I'm not sure that, Like,
out of all the dreams I've ever had, I've never
believed in spirits goes nothing like that ever, because I
always thought everything can be explained, you know, But after
what happened to me, I'm questioning that now because and
it's weird in a way of how of how I
saw it, Like in a dream? How can a spirit
reach out to me in a dream? You know? And
then I come to the location and she's actually on me,
Like that was a confirmation, like I was, actually it was.
She's actually here, but she's hiding them. She's hiding and
she's really good at it. She's very smart, which is scary.
In real life, I believe she cared about what people
thought about her, But behind closed doors she was a
different person. She's mean behind closed doors, but in front
of people, she was a how do you say that?
She helped people out, She participated in helping people and
was known to do good deeds, you know, And but
on the flip side, behind closed doors, she was not
that way. And also in death, she still cares what
people thinks. That's why she's she's hiding from me. She
doesn't want to be want to be known. She doesn't
want anybody to know. That day when I walked in,
that first day I walked in, I think if she could,
she would have jumped me or hurt me in some
way physically. I believe that the day when I brought
up the sketchen to show the owners, the atmosphere got
so heavy and I knew, I knew it was her.
She was dreading me showing that picture. Even in death,
she controls. That's her thing, is control. She doesn't want
to lose control.
Speaker 3: And I don't even know if we mentioned this is
in Oklahoma, Cushing, Oklahoma.
Speaker 1: Cushing, Cushing, Oklahoma.
Speaker 3: Yes, the Copper Penny Trading co Okay, So I wrote
down a bunch of stuff. I made a mess of
my paper. Here, let me see where I wanted to start.
I'm sorry, you're good, Okay. So let's go to the
sleeping ones first. Do you know where you get this
vision of where these sleeping ones are? Back then when
she would have still been alive at our best gas,
what would that area have been? Do you know.
Speaker 1: The nineteen twenties?
Speaker 3: Oh no, what that like what do you know, like
what the purpose of that area where the sleeping ones are,
what that area would have been back then?
Speaker 1: Down the basement where the where they kept the where
they brought the bodies in.
Speaker 3: Oh wow, yeah, oh that tracks, doesn't it.
Speaker 1: I Actually they have they actually still have the elevator
that transported that can transport them. That's actually I'll travel
today in in the Copper Penny. I went to the
elevator and got up here to the third floor. I
had brought some stuff with me, so that was my
first time being in it. I was like, okay, and
it's it's some of those old timey elevators. It's awesome. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Does it have the the great or is it different?
Speaker 1: Huh?
Speaker 3: Does it have the grate over the front or is
it different because of the fact that it was used
for a mortuary.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like got like a wooden grate way and
it's like the length of it is long, because yeah,
you had to put the coffins in.
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 1: And there would be like in my dream too, I'd
be like, okay, there was like this room or like
this passageway where you would get lost, like and then
I was talking to the owners and they were like, oh, yeah,
this used to be like a little room that was
hidden like there was like there's like places here that
have like little hidden doors and stuff, or like a
little like a little space that you didn't know was there.
It kind of made sense now after they explained it
to me, because that was one of the questions on
my map that I had.
Speaker 3: Well, it's just it's pretty fascinating beyond the fact that
you were having these dreams and drew a map exactly
of the first floor of the Copper Penny prior to
ever going there, and you're seeing these sleeping ones prior
to doing any research and even realizing what the building
was beforehand, and.
Speaker 1: The nurses too. Yeah, floor, Like I've been told that
there have been many paranoral investigators that have came here,
and there has been some that have slept here overnight.
I'm not quite sure what they found, but I heard
that some have said that the little girl, that there's
a little girl here. But in my experience, my personal experience,
just whenever I got that cold touch and I had
that one singular dream about her, Yeah, I think she's tied.
She is tied here, but she's tied to the Teddy Bear,
and it was so so much of a relief whenever
they did finally find the teddy Bear, because every time
I came in and I thought, it's got to be here,
it has to be here somewhere. I knew it was here,
it just didn't nowhere and they found it.
Speaker 3: Do you feel anything when you touch it or get
near it anything like that?
Speaker 1: Happy? Yeah, it was like today, I said, I set
it up there and it's own little tiny rocking chair.
I said it there, and I just felt happy. I
can't describe it. But whenever they found the teddy Bear,
I was like so so happy, like small couldn't go
off my face.
Speaker 3: So how about people that because it's an antique shop,
they have knick knacks there, people that just come in
and out. Do you are other people that are sensitive
reporting incidents? Or how about Stephen Kelly the owners? Do
they see things? Do things move?
Speaker 1: I believe she's seen something. She had mentioned she'd seen
a man and he looked like I think she said,
he look like, Okay, you know a little Housinal Prairie
that show little Housseinal Prairie. The mail the store owner, yes,
I think of his name, but yeah, she said she
saw somebody look like him, and there's there. There have
been other people that have had experiences in this place.
And I had actually whenever I had my book signing
here and I'm talking to people and I'm telling them
about my story, and then and then I hear their story,
which is awesome. I welcome that. If anybody's ever had
any type of experience in this place, just feel free
to share that. I know what it's like to be silenced,
you know, over this kind of stuff, like to brush
under the rug. And I've had to keep all this
stuff to myself for so many years. And so I
finally I told Stephen Kelly, I said, I think the
story needs to be told. It just does. And so
that book is kind of like a little grenade for
me because it's like I just let it all out
in that book. And then whenever I talked to Kelly
and Steve, that was another little outlet. And then I
had my book signing, that was it another outlet. And
this is what we're doing right now, it's another outlet.
It's just it's awesome to get to finally share my
story with everyone.
Speaker 3: Does feel good to get it out, doesn't It? And
and each like you said, each outlet and each time
you tell it or if you write it down, those
are all just little little purges, right, So the mean lady.
Do we know her actual name? Since it sounds like
she was one of the owners at some point, I think, I.
Speaker 1: Think I do know the name, but I I'm hesitant
about saying it out loud because I don't want to
step on anybody's toes in case of understand you know
what I mean? Yeah, but I will say one thing
that the way is Maigan looks the dressing and everything cameo.
That's what she looks like.
Speaker 3: Do you know if there is you mentioned her old
house is very near there on the same side of
the street. Do you know if those folks have activity
at her old homestead or home.
Speaker 1: No, I want every time I drive like I drive
either and I drop by really slow. I don't want
to look like a stalker, you know, like.
Speaker 3: That would be something I would do. Don't mind me,
You're like, yeah, it makes you wonder. I mean, and
sometimes you know if and I never have, of course,
but you see people talk about it on TV if
they have a restaurant or if they own a business,
I'm sure Stephen kel Well, you're probably at the Copper
Penny more than their own home, so that might be
where she just feels the most protective and comfortable, and
maybe that's why she's so active there. So they may
not have any activity at her old house. So who knows.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, I'm just glad the dream broke and she can't.
I don't know how it's I'm always wondering, like, how
did she pull me here? How did I get drawn
to this place while I'm sleeping?
Speaker 3: That's one of my big double double question marks here
is And I'm not trying to go full bore wild conspiracy,
not that it would be a crazy thing to have happened,
but is there any way that you are related to
her triple quadruple removed somehow, whatever it might be.
Speaker 1: I've been asked that question before and I have no idea.
I hope not. She's She's not nice, she's not my
cup to you at all.
Speaker 3: She sounds so angry. Is there any guests or were
you ever shown from her or any of your other
dreams or anything? Why is she so angry? And why
is she like yo? Why does she act like this?
Speaker 1: I don't know, but I just thought it was weird
because every time we got to the third floor, I
wouldn't even have to climb the stairs to get to
the third floor. It is like she just pulled me
there and was showing me her running to that window
trying to get out on that iron ladder. It's weird,
just out of blue. I don't know. Maybe I know,
I know this place used to be a doctor's office.
Like I was just racking my brain, like was she
used to be a patient here? Does she snap? Or
why is she trying to get out?
Speaker 3: There was never any fire or anything like that that
we know.
Speaker 1: No, I think there there was water damage here one time. Actually,
I tore some pages out of my dream journal that
I wrote about this place because it sounded too bizarre
because I saw water, expensive wallpaper coming off the wall
and this is this is back in the past, like
flooding and an alligator and that I just ripped it
out toward up. There are other pages I've ripped out
to and I wished I hadn't, because there's a lot
of things that little things add up that don't make
sense until it does make sense.
Speaker 3: Yeah, That's why I think it's important to let everybody
tell their encounters at their own pace, because a lot
of people don't realize. They want the big sweeping finale
and the coudi gras and all the scariest stuff. And
if that's all you want to hear, then that's fine.
I guess you can go watch TikTok videos. But you know,
it's the little things that add up, and it's the
little and all these millions of questions that I ask
and drive people crazy with it. Sometimes you know something
will come up and that might be something that might
mean something also to somebody out there listening. So that's
why it's important to tell all the little details. And
I think that not rushing through anything is important. A
lot of people data just don't have the patience for it.
I happen to have plenty of patients. I read things
like Stephen King, so I have no problem with that.
I do Amen, What about Melissa? What about activity at
your own home?
Speaker 1: Okay? If I think this is just how I handle
certain things, Because if I draw all on it, I
think I see something moving a corner peryphial vision, I
think nope, nope, I didn't see nothing.
Speaker 3: Did that start after the dream started or did that
start after you physically went there and the dream stopped?
Speaker 1: This is well, stuff like that's happened to me all
my life.
Speaker 3: Okay, my whole life.
Speaker 1: I just I tell myself I didn't see it, And
the more I tell myself I didn't see it, the
less it occurs. Like I didn't see no shadow underneath
the door moving because there ain't nobody in the house.
I ain't got a canter dog, there's nothing. I just
I didn't feel the bed shake just now for no reason.
Speaker 3: Has anyone else ever seen the mean lady?
Speaker 1: Not that I know of, not that there might be.
I've had this one customer the day of the book signing.
She's told me that at her I think it was
her grandson whenever he was younger. He was here and
he saw a lady on the steps, like on the
second floor landing, you saw a lady standing in there.
Speaker 3: I was like, did he say that? She looked like, oh,
she looks scary, but you.
Speaker 1: Know then again, oh really she was a scary looking lady.
Oh yeah, yeah, But that's the only that's the only
incident I've heard of.
Speaker 3: Have you ever been around anyone else in the Copper Penny,
that's also very sensitive, like you are.
Speaker 1: I haven't encounted anybody, how about.
Speaker 3: The investigators that have gone in there? Has anybody? And
it's hard to go in if you already know some
of the activity that's going on, right without going in
for a cold read and being maybe influenced by what's
already in your head. Not in your case, of course,
because you hadn't been there yet, and you drew the
dang place. That is so cool. But these investigators have
they come up with anything as far as extra bits
about its history or who whoever else might be in
this place or the lady all.
Speaker 1: The only thing I've ever heard of was that some
have said that they saw a little girl. Yeah, that's
the I think that's That's the only thing that I heard.
But there has been a lot of paranormal investigators have
been here. I was gonna show you the actual map
that I drew.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I would like to see that. And guys,
if you're listening on the podcast side, if you go
to my YouTube Into the Fray, you can see us
on video of course my Patreon as well, and you
can get that at free.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I would love to see that up.
Speaker 1: Let me see the date on the top corner.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Wow.
Speaker 1: It was too much to even articulate. So I had
to draw map and I'm not I don't draw good.
I draw stick figures.
Speaker 3: I hear you. What was that like, Melissa though, when
you actually walk in and you go, oh my god.
I drew this place.
Speaker 1: After after the initial shock of her being on me
and being like in my face saying how dare you
find me? Like I had to. I had to calm down.
I had to breathe and calm down. And then I
looked around and I thought, oh my god, there's this
strip of carpet, everything shaped like a U shape, and
it's stairs going up. And then I saw the little
Teddy Bear and I saw the dark place. I started looking,
walked around, I started taking excuse me, I started snapping pictures,
and I thought, in my mind, I thought, you're not
scaring me today this You're in my world. Now, we're
not sleeping right now. I got mad. So but yeah,
after the initial shock of that war off, I thought,
oh my god, that this is the Haunted Place. The
Hunted Place is real. I couldn't believe it. I could
not believe it.
Speaker 3: I mean the dreams certainly had a purpose of some kind,
especially because of the fact that once you walked in
then they stopped.
Speaker 1: So yeah, dream broke and so and that's how that's
how it always happens. I mean, I've this dream journal
is there's a lot that I've written so far. Three
dreams have broken so far that I've had.
Speaker 3: Were you drawn there? I mean, did you had you
driven by the copper Penny many times and not given
a second thought to it, or were on that opparticunity
to day?
Speaker 1: I wasn't even know. I wasn't even drawn there.
Speaker 4: Nope.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 1: But usually when we drove down this road, it was
going one way. And then that particular day we came
from a different way and I saw just happened to
see on the side of the building there's like this
hand points and says backroom cafe on it, and I thought,
and then the front part is this huge window you
could see like it looks like antiques and everything, and
I thought, wow, like it's actually a restaurant and like
an antique place. So I've never seen any fact that
before in my life. Soop, I said, Okay, we're going
to stop here, We're going to go in there and look,
and so we did.
Speaker 3: It is a cool looking place. It's a brick building.
It reminds me of a building from maybe like Tombstone,
Arizona or something. It just looks so classic Gold School.
So the cafe side, the cafe side is a totally
new addition. Or was that part of the Copper Penny
and turned into the cafe.
Speaker 1: I think it's a it was a new addition. It's
one thing I never I never saw it in my
dreams though.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 1: The only thing on that part of it was like
a wall. There was kind of like a weak wall.
Oh it's hard to explain, but yeah, I gotta say
they have some good food there here this way. Me
and my daughter, we always get the Patty mil. I mean,
I always want to try everything, but the Patty Mill
is the bomb.
Speaker 3: I'm that way too. I'm like, this place is so good.
I should try everything, but you always have that favorite
that you just go, I'm just gonna get this again. Yes,
I am most the same way. Okay. So, oh, Steve's
Treasure area, right, what was that? What were Steve's treasures?
Do you know what his Steve's treasures were at that time?
Speaker 1: Well, in the dream is totally different from what I saw.
Actually in the dream, it was more like there's like
pieces of furniture that you see that that would be
like come from like like from a castle, royalty type furniture,
paintings and like silver like like a tea set just
made out of silver, like real high polish, not just
stuff like that. But now he's got what I saw,
the real deal. He's got all cons like like from
Florida to ceiling just everywhere in the whole room. Is like, yeah, amazing,
that's all. That's the word for it. Amazing. No wonder
you didn't want me to go in there.
Speaker 3: Do they have activity in the copper penny? Do things move?
Do lights flicker? Things like that.
Speaker 1: They have had. I actually wrought that on a map.
I put security question, police question so that in the
past they've had the alarms gone off because something moved,
and they've had a police have come and checked it
out multiple times. Yep.
Speaker 3: Would you ever spend the night there overnight and see
what happens?
Speaker 1: No, I mean I might. I might. I thought it
was with a group of people, but by myself, Oh.
Speaker 3: Definitely definitely not that. I mean even in a quote
unquote regular building. That would be creepy, because places are
just creepy at night, but especially that place, Oh my gracious.
Speaker 1: Every little thing would be like did you do that?
Speaker 5: Well?
Speaker 3: Especially place, you know, a place like that. It's got
three floors, it's it's got all these weird nooks and
crannies and long hallways and things. I mean, everything would
be making noise, of course, which would make you wonder
what it really was.
Speaker 1: Even in my dream dream journal, I wrote the floor creeks,
which it does. It does. There's the floors here are
wooden or wooden floors. It's just this place still intrigues me.
It's still it's it's an amazing place. I've seen things here.
It's an antique store. So everything's from the past. This
dream has yeah, I've dreamed it from the past. Tense.
Speaker 3: So you and this is not me poking anymore to
get try to to get you to say her name.
I don't want you to, but do you so you
know her first and last name. So if you did,
if you did some kind of a genealogy twenty three
and meters or something, and you saw her, you know,
you would go, oh my god, that's the main lady,
are you as part of you wondering if that is
an in fact true? Yeah, but you're probably hesitant, right, Yeah,
I'm I.
Speaker 1: Actually want to see where she's where she's buried.
Speaker 3: Oh okay, so great question, thank you. Where is she buried?
Is she in town?
Speaker 4: I don't know?
Speaker 1: Oh, I don't know. I want to find out where
she is. I could probably google and find out. Yeah,
but my goal after all of this, you know, after
after everything that she's after all the scares, after all
finding out that she's controlling these sleeping ones down below
and her I guess her husband. I think it was her.
I think it's her husband. I don't know how, but
I would like for somebody to come in and release
the ones that are sleeping down below because they've been
here forever, and also to have her husband released, because
then she'd be by herself. Then she really be mad.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Has there ever been a cleansing there? She would really
get pissed up. Yeah. I imagine if you release everyone
but her and you're like, no, no, you need to
go too, because now you are really ticked off.
Speaker 1: The ones below to get released first because she needs to. Yeah,
that's I don't know that's going to be. You know,
even in the afterlife, you're still controlling people.
Speaker 6: Excuse me, sorry, okay, oh sorry.
Speaker 3: I hope that she's not doing weird stuff to you
right now.
Speaker 1: Because that's mm hmm. She doesn't like me talking about her.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it seems as such, especially we're talking about releasing
her from the property. How strange. So has has a
priest or any of the investigators or anybody come in
and tried to do a full cleanse.
Speaker 1: Of the place, not that I know of.
Speaker 3: Sorry, No, you're fine.
Speaker 1: I would love that though. Actually, like whenever I was
going to have the book signing, I wanted to have
a priest just standing around. Yeah, because the book, it's
all it's everybody knows now, anybody that's read the book
know about her now, and she doesn't like it. She
doesn't like it at all. But yeah, that's one of
my goals is for the sleeping Ones to be released
and then release her husband too, because then she can't
she ain't nobody could to control.
Speaker 3: Definitely sounds like she wore the pants in that family.
Speaker 1: Huh.
Speaker 3: Yes, I think that the little girl was her daughter.
Speaker 5: No, no, nope, nope, that's totally I think that's totally separate.
Speaker 1: I think she is. Her error is back when this
place was very when it first started getting built from
the ground up. That's why when I dreamed about her,
everything around me was blacked out because it wasn't it
wasn't done, this place wasn't built. I couldn't see it.
Speaker 3: So besides the oh, I'm sorry, un, let's go ahead.
Speaker 1: No, you're good, you sure.
Speaker 3: So, besides the mortuary and now the fact that it's
an antique shop, what do you know, what else it's been?
What other iterations it's been through?
Speaker 1: Also the part where the cafe is used to be
a church in with the whole building like it was
all that part was a church.
Speaker 3: Then they'd hold the services right there.
Speaker 1: M M yeah yeah, And I'm thinking of ambulance, some
kind of ambulance, some kind of ambulance service. But the
people that first own this place, yeah, they had the
it was the furniture store. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Well, before we go, and I want you to, of course,
let everybody know where to find the book and how
to contact you if they want to. Is Tony did
much of the artwork that's in the book. Tony has
done artwork for End of the phrase. Well, and his
instagram is TGC Underscore Photographer, so everybody can go check
him out. And he of course did that lovely drawing.
Well lovely, I guess maybe it's not the word. It's
a terrifying drawing of the mean lady. But Melissa, I,
first of all, before you go to let everybody know
where to find this book, thank you for actually going
there and sitting at the actual location where all these
things have gone down. I truly appreciate that. It really
seems like she is not appreciating though, that you were
talking about this is That's just good. We're wrapping this up.
But let everybody know where to find the Haunted Place.
Speaker 1: The book is on Amazon. It's on Amazon. I actually
have a book in the background here. You can see
see it up there.
Speaker 3: Yes, it has the beautiful copper penny right on the cover.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's got the picture of the copper petty on
the front and there's a small one on the back
and it looks like it's offset the picture does. But
I did that on purpose because Yeah, and it's also
in black and white, because that's most of the time
I dream about this place in black and white.
Speaker 3: That's interesting. The dreams are in black, and yeah, I
guess you really wanted to hammer it home, like this
is an older place you're going to be dreaming about. So, oh,
did you want to give out any of your social media?
You do not have to do that, of course.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to think. No, not really, no, no problem.
On My book is on Amazon and it's called The
Haunted Place, and you can also get it on an ebook.
Speaker 3: Melissa. Thank you so much, and thanks for taking the
time to actually go down there. This was so cool
that you did that.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, maybe we can do it again some time.
Speaker 3: Absolutely well, especially when things keep going down at the
Haunted Place at the Copper Penny Rather, I think that
we need updates if there are any to be had.
Thank you so much.
Speaker 1: Thank you.
Speaker 4: Well, I'm sorry so I was given the name by
my parents. My business. I've been out of college, I've
done these things as my professional I'd produce a little bark,
but it says, forget it, that's not that's something for
a story. That's all gone, that's all passed. I'm not
to see the really you you are now.
Speaker 7: But nobody knows who earnings because we don't know our silvers,
except when listening to our eos.
Speaker 4: And consulting our members. And then that's a really And
then again needs expect this question, go are you? That
is the meaning. We shall see how they play with
this extent by the cords to get you to come
out of your show and find out.
Speaker 8: Wh very hard Puss steps. It's it's.
Speaker 9: Spect might for example, I might divideed on us.
Speaker 4: They will say, no, we don't believe literally in reincarnation
that after your funeral you will suddenly become somebody different
to being somewhere else. You will say, reincarnation means this. Then,
if you're sitting here now, are really convinced that you're
the same person bolding at.
Speaker 2: The door half an hour ago, you'll be agencoming.
Speaker 4: If you're liberate with remmers now that you're gone. The
past hasn't been tested, The future doesn't insistence. There is
only the present. That's the only amenia there is. The
zen Master will get away in this way. In spring
does not become something. First there is something, and then
there is spring.
Speaker 8: It's SP's it's speak, it's it's it's, it's it's.
Speaker 7: Pus TSN has the same ideas where he says when
you've settled down in the train, you can read your newspapers.
Speaker 4: And so they were not the same person. While we
go to live on the platform. If you think you are,
you are linking your moments up in the check. And
this is what binds the work, when you know that
every moment of which you are is the only moment.
This comes into Yeah, the master will sage.
Speaker 8: And somebody, I cannot have a walk across the road
and it can't be back, And he says, where are
your foot?
Speaker 4: They've gone? So where are you? Who are you? When
we are asked who we are, we usually give a
kind of recitation of an instrum screens insperience, insence,